May 12, 2025 • 33 mins
Can anyone else feel the rain on your skin? Jess has the goosebumps because her good pal, Natasha Bedingfield, is joining to discuss the massive impact her hit single "Unwritten" has left.
Natasha also shares what famous royal owned her dog before she did!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It what it Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh what it is?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh, we have someone who actually has incredible pitch singing voice. No,
that is not Camilla Luttington. That you hear is the
other voice today. You have none other than the most
I have experienced you to be an incredible mother.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I've watched you be an incredible partner.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We are in community together, and I know your friendship circle,
so I know that you keep you keep really good company.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So it's so nice to be in an interview with
someone I know and love. And I'm just kind of
like getting goosebumps from how nice you just work to me?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you lovely?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
All true, all true, And we're here with none other
than Natasha bedding Field. We've been also humming unwritten all
morning long as we came to this podcast. And you
and I share being really well known for one thing,
some of this incredible music.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Hope.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I mean, I don't know, maybe it's true.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
We've done so many other things and people can be
like what, well, what have you? Like you're back or something,
and it's like, well, no, I mean I've been working. Yeah, no,
I'm really still here, yeah, still here, still being creative,
and yeah, I mean it all it's amazing. But also
I think too, we both have quite a young audience. Yes, yeah,
it's really amazing. Yeah, I mean it's very unique.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But actually to us, yes it is, and I think
that well, I'm hearing you say that it is.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's it's not just a young audience. It's that there is.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know, you put out work and all you can
hope is that it has has teeth enough to grab
someone and make them feel some kind of way, whether
it was what you intended them to feel when you
wrote it or sang it, produced it, or something entirely different. Right,
Sometimes these songs are playing at our greatest, during some
(02:16):
of our greatest moments, and sometimes they're playing at some
of our lowest moments, and yet they mean so much
to us, and they start to like, every time you
hear that song, you you think of that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Time or whatever. It is, so music is so important.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I love that you said the teeth, that it has
teeth enough kind of bite, It kind of bites, and
it actually resonates and it goes deeper than a little moment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, yes, I love that. That's what I think. But
you hope that we all hope that is what that
is what you hope.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now we find ourselves in situations where because of different
the ways that our businesses have changed. Music industry has changed,
the watching you know, content now isn't just TV or
a film, it's content and the way that that's being
watched has changed. And so now because of that change,
(03:03):
your music that you wrote, you know, almost many years
ago is is.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Taking on a whole new life with another generation.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So it's like all the people that heard the first time,
they're still in they're still bopping down the street and
they're feeling all the goosebolms from listening to your music.
And now there's a whole nother level and generation the wave.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, and uh, it's it's it's wonderful. I'm being flown
to England to sing for an English soccer team. That
is it's like the most amazing undergo, underdog story of
this soccer team that every time they win, they sing
unwritten in the dressing in the changing rooms, and then
they've finally they've made it into their Premier League this week,
(03:45):
and so they're flying me there for their what's mean
it's called Burnley, I'm going to root them.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Isn't that amazing? They're flying me?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Then I'm gonna and so it's it's it's awesome because
you just can't expect who is gonna, who's going to
connect with something that you that you make, and that
who would have known it would be all these men,
all these blokes.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah yeah, Tish dudes. Yeah yeah. So afterwards we go
out to the pub. Yeah, I take you out there
and I got to go out to the pub afterwards.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What do you do you think that I mean with
regards to unwritten specifically, I guess since that's what we're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What do you think it was about the lyrics? That just.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Like, I know what my answer is, but I want
to know what yours is like when you were writing
at the frame of mind that you were in, the
was there, I don't know your songwriting process that was
there a goal, an idea that was swishing around in there?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think what spectacular is?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It really is a song that was to one person,
and it was to my youngest brother, and it was
really very honest and very real, and it was a
time where I'd just been signed by these amazing songwriters
and I was their very first artist, and we were
writing all these amazing, clever songs that were hilarious, kind
of like comedy writers, where we four of us would
sit around a table and we were just like go
(05:05):
free association and be as kind of wacky and crazy
and stupid, and we wrote songs like these words I
love you, I love you, I love you. It's just
like out of this world kind of stuff. Another song
called single about being single, and just very clever concepts.
And then I had this very simple idea about unwritten
it was and I was like, I would love to
write this, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They were all like it's a bit too preachy.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
They're like, no one's going to go for that, and
so I was like, Okay, I guess this isn't the
right people to write with that. But I just put
the little note I had in my pocket, and when
I met Danielle Brezebois, that's when I was like, this
is the person I'm going to write it with. And
then it wasn't trying to be something and it wasn't
really like anything else.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But it was a time. But you had a direct line.
I mean you had a direct line too.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You were in the in the first show. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And Danielle is one of the most amazing people who
she was a famous she was a famous actor. When
she was a kid, she was in all in the family,
so she was the kid in Archie Bunker's house.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And so she went from being a child star to
then being in a band, a huge band, So she
had many lives and she was just one of these
amazing people who'd kind of gone through a lot, and
together we just made this amazing song.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And then she was a mentor for me.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
She got me on camera on your phone now and
she was like, and now talk to the camera. And
I was super shy, and she would take me into
Venice Beach and she would make me go up to
people and ask them questions and interview them, and you know,
so that was amazing. You know, you know when you
meet someone who's been in the industry before. And it
was about the pitfalls and so that was amazing. And
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we wrote Pocket for the Sunshine together as well later on.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A couple of years later song.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I was really lucky that.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I met her, Yeah, and the other element that was
really special and that kept me very real in that
song is that I was feeling a bit out of
touch because I was writing with all these men and
I wanted my I just felt like I needed my
and so I invited my sister to come out and
stay with me. And all these guys were worried that
my sister would distract me, and they were made it
super hard actually, and Danielle was like, no, let her
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have her sister out. And something about having my sister there,
Nicolaye was just made me feel grounded and made me
feel really honest.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, God, isn't that amazing how that times out?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You just kind of know that it kind of says
what you wanted to say, but you don't know how
it's gonna there's no way of knowing or controlling how
where it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, you and you're putting it together for that first time.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You would have no idea just how many more times
you would sing that song.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Did you have that feeling when you were in Graz
Anatom that it would.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I I had the feeling pretty early on that we
were doing something that felt like.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It was new.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
There was a freshness and honesty and vulnerability to it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, I wasn't a.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Baby baby actress, but I still felt like I was
in my nascent phases of understanding and owning showing up
to work and what that meant and storytelling and preparation
and all the things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I also felt like when I went there, I
was already a fan. My expectations were myself but.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Were willing to You knew it would mean you'd have
to talk about hot issues because that does already, or
it was talking about difficult things right, things that were
no nos ive already had that you already knew, I'm
gonna have to really come to the plate.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, yeah, I mean this is not about me, and
I see what you're doing here, Natasha, But I feel.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
About me, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Only because I know that that there are huge swaths
of your audiences that are are shared between us.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
There's parallels here, there really are.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I felt a huge responsibility to a community that I
needed to show up in the most real and true
and positive way. Like I knew what the representation could mean.
I put a lot of pressure on myself. Can you
tell could mean if we.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Got it right? And and I get.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I've got as you're talking like I'll show you full
leg business because I hope you did.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And and you know the stories that we hear, you
know from from our beloved crew, they it it has
at least worked for some right and and and that
means everything to me.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So I love that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I love that that was your intention because that's what
I can hear. And I think that's what the goosebumps
mean is it's like really your intention behind it. It's
really so pure there and that that's that feeling of
means it resonates.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But it doesn't mean like right like I mean again,
there's just so many of your songs, but we started
with Unwritten. I mean for me that there is such
a hopeful optimism to what feels like the impossible circumstance of.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Allowing yourself to be free. I think that's why.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Also we saw it come back around in anyone but you.
When the song came out, it was like this incredible, just.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Auditory hug.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It was like a big warm hug for your ears
and your heart and your soul.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because you just knew what was going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And I'm guessing that you don't get to play a
set without playing Unwritten at this point.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, I have to play on Written.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It will be riots I start.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
When you are out in the world singing. I mean,
it's different. I've already seen you. I know the answer
to this question.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You give it your all.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I have watched so many Instagram reels and see so
much footage of you from all different angles, and you
just go for it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I go, I go for it. I do.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And I'm kind of seeing myself as an athlete, and
I just always want to get better.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I want to always be a better singer, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, And I think you learn a lot of over
twenty years, Like you just learned so much, just able
to kind of really articulate yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And well, that's all gonna say.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So given the story of Unwritten, and then you were
just saying twenty years, how do you feel like the
music industry has changed since that? I mean being supported
by you know, you're talking about Dan Yella and talking about,
you know, being around a bunch of blokes and saying like, well, no,
we don't want to distract her. She's this precious commodity
in this room, and this tender twenty year old girl
(11:46):
call that we need to and.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They hate boyfriends they hate, like when people bring their
boyfriends in and the boyfriends or the family try to
kind of meddle and they try to kind of separate
you from that, from anyone you're close to so they
can have full control. It just happens. And there you're
friends too, and I say you you're kind of like, sure,
that's how it goes. So I think it's what experience
(12:08):
a lot of women have, actually, yeah, is that there's
this this Bobby Doll thing where people want to kind
of like this is what you should wear, Like I'm
going to dress you, this is what looks good on you.
But it comes with language of like, you don't look
good in those colors where you like. It comes with
this language of expertise where you kind of have to go, well,
all right, oh whatever you think.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, was there a moment where you were like.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Now, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't even realize it's happening.
Sometimes you have the illusion of control where you think, oh, well, no,
I don't really like any of these video directors, you know,
but that you have to choose right now because we're
doing the video in two days, so like there's no
option to kind of find another person's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I have friends I don't know if you do too,
that are performers, and I'm always in awe of them
because in those situations which we do all find ourselves in,
like yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I have friends who will be like, well then we're
not shooting it in two days. Yeah, And I'm always
in all of them. Yeah, I'm sorry. Wait, I didn't
know that there was an option. See, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You can't do that, but you will be cool to
difficult women as well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
But yeah, okay, that happens quite quick, especially twenty years ago,
I think, I mean, it probably still does. But twenty
years ago, it was definitely a thing that everyone was
afraid of a label that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Don't you think this is why it drives me crazy?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yes, absolutely, still it is.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think it's Oh, I think, I guess it probably
still is. It's funny I found myself. I have a
new job and we're about to start, and I want
to be surrounded by people who are better than me,
who are better at me than.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Other things, hopefully maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean, I always know that I work really hard
to bring what I bring to it, and I trust
in that experience.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But it's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Because as a as a woman, as an act, as
a mother of four children, there's also parts of your
life where as you know, being a mother, there's certain
dates that you can't control. Like I've always run up
against my kids birthdays because there's four of them on
the longer and I've always gone to work and been like,
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these are the days I need off. And that's not
even difficult to say I need my kid's birthday off.
But yeah, there were times in my life where people
made it up. It was presented to me that it
was a real hardship. I was a problem I was
giving them that I had couldn't work on this day.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
But I actually also do really relate to the family
one because I do feel like I I whenever it
was a family thing, I used to kind of cover
it over, you know, it was my family, even it
was my siblings or my parents, I would always kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Pretend it something else.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah she's lying, But do you like to be alone?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I do. I love it?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, you too, you too? Yeah, I love daydreaming too.
I used to to write lines in school saying it
will not daydream stop it. Yeah, because I was one
of those daydreamy kids. Like I was like, I'm never bored.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I know some people.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I've heard a couple of people say out loud, you know,
oh gosh, I wouldn't know what to do with myself,
or I you know, I'm alone because the family is
going out of town this weekend and I can't go
or whatever, and I'm like, I would absolutely kill for
a weekend home alone with no one needing anything from me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's what I'm fascinated by.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
How different people are and how we want different things,
and now everyone thinks that we all want the same
thing and tries to convince everyone that this is You're
not going to be happy unless you have the if.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You unless you go to Disneyland or yeah something yeah
or yeah or whatever. When you're in the car, what
do you listen to?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I listen to really calming music when I'm in the car.
I like to feel like I'm in a movie. So
I listened to orchestras or yoga music or yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So it's like a spa in your car, yeah or.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And I'm really into this band called Salt.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't know how you pronounce it s s a
U l T so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I love it. Yeah, and there's a girl from Portugal
called Marrow. I just love it. She's so great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I really love that. And then how do you find
new music?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Just ask all my friends like, what are you listening to?
And then stop following it? And then do you listen?
You listen on Spotify? Yeah, you guys play on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Girl too. Well, there's where our family's divided.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The boys and our family listen through Apple Music, okay,
And I didn't know that. I thought everyone was listening
on Spotify. And I canceled our Apple Music thing and
it was mutiny.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They were pissed. They were like, my my son was
like all of my playlists have been destroyed? What did
you do to me? And I was like, oh so
I would. I quickly went back, but he got on back.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You got back.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, he's got a great taste of music. I have
to say, I give that to Christopher his credit, because
when Luke is in the car with Christopher, he really
listens to the music he wants to listen to, and
so Luke kind of comes to his music. I am
in the car with the girls, I think probably more
often than not, and I just go along with what
they want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They're very mainstream. They're very mainstream.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's not to say that they don't have opinions about
the mainstream, but they're very much in you know, the
Sabrina Carpenter, Gracie Abrams amazing, yeah, and such incredible artists.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And you know what I have to say.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I find that the girl power that's coming up in that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Group feels very self possessed.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Really, they feel in control. They feel like they're saying
when and where and how.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
They're not afraid to say ugly things. Yes, they're not
afraid to talk about real stuff. Yes, I mean Doci
was talking about that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
She foughts, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like so it makes me laugh, Yeah, it does. It's good.
Literally my kryptonite. I'm gonna start laughing now.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I cannot cannot talk about parts or farting without laughing.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But like all these illusions that all generations had to
have when.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
We're like pretending, yes, perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Pretending we never farted, we never ever ever went to
the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I can't even say it now, Like I was literally about.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
To say what it is and I couldn't even say it. Yes,
I know it also and and the pulling off of
the mask. Right. I feel like my generation was very
much like if you're gonna put them on Instagram, it's
a pretty pretty picture. It's a you know, it's not this,
you know, unrehearsed.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And the next generation don't want egg brushed.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah everything, yeah, yea, yeah, are okay?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Alter down there on Snapchat?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well have you ever turned your camera around on you
at the wrong moment? That's it's a fucking shame spiral.
I'm like, what, it's a total jump scared to me.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You are so beautiful you are. I don't even say
how amazing you are.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I mean, every time I'm with you, I just I
can't stop saying great stuff about you. The thing that
I love is how generous you are, just like really
kind to people. And I just feel it every time
I'm with you. Is this like giving super power thing
you have?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I take that as a huge compliment and I am
I'm grateful you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, So when do you feel like you create?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like in your are there like spaces where you go
to you go like I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Write songs right now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Or I'm going to journal, or like how does that
work because I'm so not an original content creator. I
take people's words and then I make them something, hopefully,
but I've actually never been an original content creator. So
what is that problem that's like for you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So it's it's all artists way, the artist's way, like, wait.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You just write, have you done it?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I've tried.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The problem. The only problem with that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
One of the things is that it's called the Morning Pages,
and you do like morning dump like you do it.
The problem that I have is I'm not a morning person,
so I don't have any great ideas in the morning.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I don't have any ideas at all. I have nothing.
My brain is not thinking anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Are you supposed to just dump?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't have anything to dump, Like this morning it's empty, empty, nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Your thoughts are gone, very strange.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, so I have to wait a little bit to
like wake up but out engine. Yeah, yes, I think
exercise and yoga and those things have been really helpful
for me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And then so I just don't do the morning like.
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I'm not not legalistic, like I don't do the Morning Pages,
but I definitely do pages. You know, and you had
a night I'm a night out, so I I love
doing stuff at night. That's when it's like really like
a live and I need to have like private spaces
to do that, Like I have like a room. I
have a place at my house. It's my creative room.
And yeah, I just go crazy. But it's I'm very
(21:11):
collaborative like you are. Like I love to write over
zoom with people and like get someone will send me
a track. Jack Harlow sent me a bunch of tracks
and us like a lot of rappers send me songs
and then I'll send it back and kind of go
back and forward. Yeah, and then I get ideas for
books and like I wrote like it was an idea
for a movie. I write it down. I'm always writing
(21:33):
things down. I'm always taking notes. And then I want
to I want to write a TV show and she's like,
why don't you just make it a song? So then
I was like, oh, yeah, that would be a good
song title. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a songwriter
and I want to do that first. And people do
want songs, so you know, and then yeah, I mean
a lot of it is collaborative and it is about people.
(21:56):
It is like someone will come to my mind and
I'll text them right away, and I'll a lot of
times it's just at the right moment.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think that I think that is very spot on.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think in the collaborative universe, we go in and
out of a lot of woo woo over here. You know,
I really believe that we're so connected.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
It's just yes, yes, yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I find I have a lot of thoughts in general
that range from my to do list to creativity in
the shower.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
H shower is great.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, And then I have been known to truly just
step out of the shower and be sopping wet and
like reach for my phone. Drive just my right hand
off enough so that the front of my iPhone will
register my fingertaps.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yes, I will write notes or I'll do like the voice.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Note thing, and then I'm like, oh, yes, I got
my thoughts down.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And then I'll come back to look at them and
I'll be like that was That's a different language, Like oh,
and what were they thinking? How am I meant to
follow the bread crumbs here?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, It's like it's like when you write a song
in the middle of the night it's very hot, it
doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Like I write a song in the middle of the night.
I don't you do? Do you ever wake up?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
In the most time, But I'm singing so quietly trying
not to wake anyone, and it's like really hard to
kind of make it out the next day. But sometimes
I have full songs in dreams, you know. I'm like, maybe, yeah,
that's the one, you know. So there's a part of
songwriting that's a fit addictive, like it's like a hit,
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like maybe this is the next big song.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. See. I love that about you too,
is that you have that optimism like anything it could be.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, as evidenced by your story of unwritten.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I mean that's truly the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is that you never know when it's coming, and and
so you just keep showing up. Someone recently that I've
worked with for such a long time and I were
talking about this business and how it's changed and what
we do and the vulnerability of it, and then how
quickly you have to go back and forth between feeling
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very vulnerable, which would perhaps maybe lead to thoughts where
you feel a little unwanted right because you're like, ooh,
I want to be picked.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I want to be picked for the part. I want
to be picked for the track.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I want someone to pick up the music, to start
playing in different places so people will again allow it
into their lives. And as we know from back, like
when of our music started right and there was only
radio to expose it to people, the more it's played,
the more it's in your consciousness, the more you get
you come to it.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So there's this, there's this back and forth between the
vulnerability and like please pick me to the self possessed, empowered.
I know what I'm doing, yea, I know what I'm doing,
and this is my interpretation of this character and it
may not be the one that gets picked, but it's
mine and I'm the only one that can do it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And I'm the only one that can write this song.
And it's a really it's an interesting back and forth.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
As a creative Yeah, it is. And and then but
though both those sides are so important to.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The actual process.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think, don't you The convulnerability is everyone and everyone
feels that. But then the strength is kind of what
we all need.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah so yeah, yeah, yeah completely.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I just I think that everyone should be writing songs.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Everyone should be writing, and everyone should be singing and
doing things that are because singing is your.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Your vegus nerve, your vague nerve.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's just like it's it's regulating and it's it's like
dancing where it's good for you. And I think that's
why people love to go to shows, because you're singing,
you're using It doesn't matter how it sounds, it's not
it's not about the end result. It's not about whether
you're going to be famous for it. It's just the
feeling of singing feel so great with other people. The
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feeling of dancing feels great, you know, And those are
all very human things that just bring us into a
highest selves.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think that is so well put. And it's reminding
me that, I mean, I'm a little bit of a crier.
I have easy access to that as as sort of
like my expression of feeling. And I was at a
barmeutzva over this past weekend and as soon as the
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canter started, I'm just crying. And I was reminded that
every time I go to church, as soon as the
entire congregation starts singing, I start crying. And it's they're
not sad songs, they're beautiful songs. There're songs of hope
they're songs of this, that or the other. Song of
them are sad. But I immediately start crying, and I
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think it's because of what you just described. It's just
this beauty, a full, primal thing that all of us
can do. Clearly some of us better than others, but
we It hooks us, it brings us together.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a belonging.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, it's a before I go on stage, my band
and I we all just do two omes and it
looks so silly because it's just too just yeah oh yeah,
you know, uh, but it's it's the vibration, like we
kind of lock in with each other. It's like as
we're looking at each other, as we're owning, you kind
of just feel zing like we're together. Yeah, and we
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can we can do anything no matter what happens, Like
if there's sound problems, if there's we're just gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, just keep going in, just keep going.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I feel like it's that locking in with each
other that feels great.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It is because now I find you know that, as
you've explained, there's so many songs that are so personal
to you, and now because of social media and because
of the the access that you know, we all have
to each other. We're hearing the personal story, maybe even
before you've heard the song. So like my my twelve
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year old told me all about one of Sabrina's songs
and how it was about this ex boyfriend and then
how he cheated on her, And I was like, how
do you know all of this?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
But okay, do you feel?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
How do you what's your relationship with social media?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I love TikTok. I think it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, TikTok loves you, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Maybe that's why I like it. I love to be loved.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Who doesn't? But I like this. I like this for you.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Okay, So TikTok I TikTok has like book talk, TikTok
mental health, like it has a number of different rain talk. Yeah,
it has a number of things that I can navigate
through that and it doesn't have to be dance moves
all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Although people have them for your song, I think I'd
be very flattered by that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, that's so cool. And I met with the kids.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
You made a dance to my song that viral, and
I loved how TikTok brought us together, and I loved
how touched I was from just other people's lives.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, and so yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh, I think Instagram for me, it's not my my
big I haven't really conquered Instagram, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I love them, it's like I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
We have to conquer I obviously don't get it or
people don't get me on it. But but but Spotify,
like you know, it's like, I don't know, there's a
kind of disconnect.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
With Yeah, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's all different for all of Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Kind of what you really do do well on Instagram.
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't know that I do well.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I don't have the bandwidth to to really understand more
than one. So I've sort of glommed onto Instagram as
my go to. And then and then it makes sense.
I always get lost on TikTok. I don't know what's
going on. I need to get better at this.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You have to train the algorithm. Like somebody show me Jax,
who is a huge TikToker. She gave me lessons, so
maybe I need to And she gave me like a
few hours of really really good lesson she was just
like really keeping it short and sweet and really training
the algorithm first, training the algorithm. Just go through it
and really don't like it, really like, don't like this,
don't like this, don't like this. Right, and then it
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really figures you out really quickly, because the thing about
TikTok is this loud, and as soon as you open up.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's just like a shock to your system. And I
always just used to throw my phone.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but once you stop, you start
really telling it what you like, you start getting really
it figures.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You out very so.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So if I let it know that I think that
farts are funny, do you think that I would just
get lots and lots of funny farts.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, Okay, I'm dumb.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, but but but the actual it's very much like
Instagram too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Reels, well, the reels make me laugh the hardest. I
could talk to you for five thousand hours, but we
have a little bit of a rapid fire here.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Real, So a little a couple of.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Questions that just like, whatever comes to your mind. First,
if you had someone.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
To play you in a biopic, oh, would you want
it to be?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I feel like like, even though she's older than Meat,
but Kate winslet.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I would love that. She's great.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I love that. Okay. What is something you would tell
your younger self.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Wait a few years and there'll be a song that
will really relate to you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Know. I think just to lighten up. I think I
was very serious as a as a teenager, I was
really trying to do everything correctly, and I think I
have a bit of fun would have been a good thing.
Like I wasn't really light and light at that point
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Just really trying to be a grown up. Yeah, yeah,
I get that.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
One artist you would like to collaborate with, I.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Would love to collaborate with eminem.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's a good one. Okay. If your life right now
had to theme song, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's what I'm trying to write. Yes, your theme and
I've written it.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I've got a really cool song that I think is is.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That new theme song? Oh for me at least? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I love that. Okay, Oh, I can't wait. Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What's one thing that fans would be surprised to learn
about you?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Well, a lot of American fans would be surprised that
I'm English, because they often are quite surprised because my
songs are like American songs. Yeah, and I was homeschooled.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's something I don't think everyone knows. Yoh yeah, from
eleven till seventeen.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Wow, at home with your family.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah were your siblings and four kids.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, Well, thank you, think you, Thank
you so much for coming.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I love you to get thank you
Speaker 3 (33:01):
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Call It what it Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh what it is?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh, we have someone who actually has incredible pitch singing voice. No,
that is not Camilla Luttington. That you hear is the
other voice today. You have none other than the most
I have experienced you to be an incredible mother.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I've watched you be an incredible partner.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We are in community together, and I know your friendship circle,
so I know that you keep you keep really good company.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So it's so nice to be in an interview with
someone I know and love. And I'm just kind of
like getting goosebumps from how nice you just work to me?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you lovely?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
All true, all true, And we're here with none other
than Natasha bedding Field. We've been also humming unwritten all
morning long as we came to this podcast. And you
and I share being really well known for one thing,
some of this incredible music.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Hope.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I mean, I don't know, maybe it's true.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
We've done so many other things and people can be
like what, well, what have you? Like you're back or something,
and it's like, well, no, I mean I've been working. Yeah, no,
I'm really still here, yeah, still here, still being creative,
and yeah, I mean it all it's amazing. But also
I think too, we both have quite a young audience. Yes, yeah,
it's really amazing. Yeah, I mean it's very unique.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But actually to us, yes it is, and I think
that well, I'm hearing you say that it is.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's it's not just a young audience. It's that there is.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know, you put out work and all you can
hope is that it has has teeth enough to grab
someone and make them feel some kind of way, whether
it was what you intended them to feel when you
wrote it or sang it, produced it, or something entirely different. Right,
Sometimes these songs are playing at our greatest, during some
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of our greatest moments, and sometimes they're playing at some
of our lowest moments, and yet they mean so much
to us, and they start to like, every time you
hear that song, you you think of that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Time or whatever. It is, so music is so important.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I love that you said the teeth, that it has
teeth enough kind of bite, It kind of bites, and
it actually resonates and it goes deeper than a little moment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, yes, I love that. That's what I think. But
you hope that we all hope that is what that
is what you hope.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now we find ourselves in situations where because of different
the ways that our businesses have changed. Music industry has changed,
the watching you know, content now isn't just TV or
a film, it's content and the way that that's being
watched has changed. And so now because of that change,
(03:03):
your music that you wrote, you know, almost many years
ago is is.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Taking on a whole new life with another generation.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So it's like all the people that heard the first time,
they're still in they're still bopping down the street and
they're feeling all the goosebolms from listening to your music.
And now there's a whole nother level and generation the wave.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, and uh, it's it's it's wonderful. I'm being flown
to England to sing for an English soccer team. That
is it's like the most amazing undergo, underdog story of
this soccer team that every time they win, they sing
unwritten in the dressing in the changing rooms, and then
they've finally they've made it into their Premier League this week,
(03:45):
and so they're flying me there for their what's mean
it's called Burnley, I'm going to root them.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Isn't that amazing? They're flying me?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Then I'm gonna and so it's it's it's awesome because
you just can't expect who is gonna, who's going to
connect with something that you that you make, and that
who would have known it would be all these men,
all these blokes.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah yeah, Tish dudes. Yeah yeah. So afterwards we go
out to the pub. Yeah, I take you out there
and I got to go out to the pub afterwards.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What do you do you think that I mean with
regards to unwritten specifically, I guess since that's what we're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What do you think it was about the lyrics? That just.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Like, I know what my answer is, but I want
to know what yours is like when you were writing
at the frame of mind that you were in, the
was there, I don't know your songwriting process that was
there a goal, an idea that was swishing around in there?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think what spectacular is?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It really is a song that was to one person,
and it was to my youngest brother, and it was
really very honest and very real, and it was a
time where I'd just been signed by these amazing songwriters
and I was their very first artist, and we were
writing all these amazing, clever songs that were hilarious, kind
of like comedy writers, where we four of us would
sit around a table and we were just like go
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free association and be as kind of wacky and crazy
and stupid, and we wrote songs like these words I
love you, I love you, I love you. It's just
like out of this world kind of stuff. Another song
called single about being single, and just very clever concepts.
And then I had this very simple idea about unwritten
it was and I was like, I would love to
write this, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They were all like it's a bit too preachy.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
They're like, no one's going to go for that, and
so I was like, Okay, I guess this isn't the
right people to write with that. But I just put
the little note I had in my pocket, and when
I met Danielle Brezebois, that's when I was like, this
is the person I'm going to write it with. And
then it wasn't trying to be something and it wasn't
really like anything else.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But it was a time. But you had a direct line.
I mean you had a direct line too.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You were in the in the first show. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And Danielle is one of the most amazing people who
she was a famous she was a famous actor. When
she was a kid, she was in all in the family,
so she was the kid in Archie Bunker's house.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And so she went from being a child star to
then being in a band, a huge band, So she
had many lives and she was just one of these
amazing people who'd kind of gone through a lot, and
together we just made this amazing song.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And then she was a mentor for me.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
She got me on camera on your phone now and
she was like, and now talk to the camera. And
I was super shy, and she would take me into
Venice Beach and she would make me go up to
people and ask them questions and interview them, and you know,
so that was amazing. You know, you know when you
meet someone who's been in the industry before. And it
was about the pitfalls and so that was amazing. And
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we wrote Pocket for the Sunshine together as well later on.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A couple of years later song.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I was really lucky that.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I met her, Yeah, and the other element that was
really special and that kept me very real in that
song is that I was feeling a bit out of
touch because I was writing with all these men and
I wanted my I just felt like I needed my
and so I invited my sister to come out and
stay with me. And all these guys were worried that
my sister would distract me, and they were made it
super hard actually, and Danielle was like, no, let her
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have her sister out. And something about having my sister there,
Nicolaye was just made me feel grounded and made me
feel really honest.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, God, isn't that amazing how that times out?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You just kind of know that it kind of says
what you wanted to say, but you don't know how
it's gonna there's no way of knowing or controlling how
where it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, you and you're putting it together for that first time.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You would have no idea just how many more times
you would sing that song.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Did you have that feeling when you were in Graz
Anatom that it would.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I I had the feeling pretty early on that we
were doing something that felt like.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It was new.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
There was a freshness and honesty and vulnerability to it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, I wasn't a.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Baby baby actress, but I still felt like I was
in my nascent phases of understanding and owning showing up
to work and what that meant and storytelling and preparation
and all the things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I also felt like when I went there, I
was already a fan. My expectations were myself but.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Were willing to You knew it would mean you'd have
to talk about hot issues because that does already, or
it was talking about difficult things right, things that were
no nos ive already had that you already knew, I'm
gonna have to really come to the plate.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, yeah, I mean this is not about me, and
I see what you're doing here, Natasha, But I feel.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
About me, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Only because I know that that there are huge swaths
of your audiences that are are shared between us.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
There's parallels here, there really are.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I felt a huge responsibility to a community that I
needed to show up in the most real and true
and positive way. Like I knew what the representation could mean.
I put a lot of pressure on myself. Can you
tell could mean if we.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Got it right? And and I get.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I've got as you're talking like I'll show you full
leg business because I hope you did.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And and you know the stories that we hear, you
know from from our beloved crew, they it it has
at least worked for some right and and and that
means everything to me.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So I love that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I love that that was your intention because that's what
I can hear. And I think that's what the goosebumps
mean is it's like really your intention behind it. It's
really so pure there and that that's that feeling of
means it resonates.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But it doesn't mean like right like I mean again,
there's just so many of your songs, but we started
with Unwritten. I mean for me that there is such
a hopeful optimism to what feels like the impossible circumstance of.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Allowing yourself to be free. I think that's why.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Also we saw it come back around in anyone but you.
When the song came out, it was like this incredible, just.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Auditory hug.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It was like a big warm hug for your ears
and your heart and your soul.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because you just knew what was going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And I'm guessing that you don't get to play a
set without playing Unwritten at this point.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, I have to play on Written.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It will be riots I start.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
When you are out in the world singing. I mean,
it's different. I've already seen you. I know the answer
to this question.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You give it your all.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I have watched so many Instagram reels and see so
much footage of you from all different angles, and you
just go for it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I go, I go for it. I do.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And I'm kind of seeing myself as an athlete, and
I just always want to get better.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I want to always be a better singer, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, And I think you learn a lot of over
twenty years, Like you just learned so much, just able
to kind of really articulate yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And well, that's all gonna say.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So given the story of Unwritten, and then you were
just saying twenty years, how do you feel like the
music industry has changed since that? I mean being supported
by you know, you're talking about Dan Yella and talking about,
you know, being around a bunch of blokes and saying like, well, no,
we don't want to distract her. She's this precious commodity
in this room, and this tender twenty year old girl
(11:46):
call that we need to and.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They hate boyfriends they hate, like when people bring their
boyfriends in and the boyfriends or the family try to
kind of meddle and they try to kind of separate
you from that, from anyone you're close to so they
can have full control. It just happens. And there you're
friends too, and I say you you're kind of like, sure,
that's how it goes. So I think it's what experience
(12:08):
a lot of women have, actually, yeah, is that there's
this this Bobby Doll thing where people want to kind
of like this is what you should wear, Like I'm
going to dress you, this is what looks good on you.
But it comes with language of like, you don't look
good in those colors where you like. It comes with
this language of expertise where you kind of have to go, well,
all right, oh whatever you think.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, was there a moment where you were like.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Now, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't even realize it's happening.
Sometimes you have the illusion of control where you think, oh, well, no,
I don't really like any of these video directors, you know,
but that you have to choose right now because we're
doing the video in two days, so like there's no
option to kind of find another person's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I have friends I don't know if you do too,
that are performers, and I'm always in awe of them
because in those situations which we do all find ourselves in,
like yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I have friends who will be like, well then we're
not shooting it in two days. Yeah, And I'm always
in all of them. Yeah, I'm sorry. Wait, I didn't
know that there was an option. See, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You can't do that, but you will be cool to
difficult women as well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
But yeah, okay, that happens quite quick, especially twenty years ago,
I think, I mean, it probably still does. But twenty
years ago, it was definitely a thing that everyone was
afraid of a label that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Don't you think this is why it drives me crazy?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yes, absolutely, still it is.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think it's Oh, I think, I guess it probably
still is. It's funny I found myself. I have a
new job and we're about to start, and I want
to be surrounded by people who are better than me,
who are better at me than.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Other things, hopefully maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean, I always know that I work really hard
to bring what I bring to it, and I trust
in that experience.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But it's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Because as a as a woman, as an act, as
a mother of four children, there's also parts of your
life where as you know, being a mother, there's certain
dates that you can't control. Like I've always run up
against my kids birthdays because there's four of them on
the longer and I've always gone to work and been like,
(14:17):
these are the days I need off. And that's not
even difficult to say I need my kid's birthday off.
But yeah, there were times in my life where people
made it up. It was presented to me that it
was a real hardship. I was a problem I was
giving them that I had couldn't work on this day.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
But I actually also do really relate to the family
one because I do feel like I I whenever it
was a family thing, I used to kind of cover
it over, you know, it was my family, even it
was my siblings or my parents, I would always kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Pretend it something else.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah she's lying, But do you like to be alone?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I do. I love it?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, you too, you too? Yeah, I love daydreaming too.
I used to to write lines in school saying it
will not daydream stop it. Yeah, because I was one
of those daydreamy kids. Like I was like, I'm never bored.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I know some people.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I've heard a couple of people say out loud, you know,
oh gosh, I wouldn't know what to do with myself,
or I you know, I'm alone because the family is
going out of town this weekend and I can't go
or whatever, and I'm like, I would absolutely kill for
a weekend home alone with no one needing anything from me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's what I'm fascinated by.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
How different people are and how we want different things,
and now everyone thinks that we all want the same
thing and tries to convince everyone that this is You're
not going to be happy unless you have the if.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You unless you go to Disneyland or yeah something yeah
or yeah or whatever. When you're in the car, what
do you listen to?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I listen to really calming music when I'm in the car.
I like to feel like I'm in a movie. So
I listened to orchestras or yoga music or yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So it's like a spa in your car, yeah or.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
And I'm really into this band called Salt.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't know how you pronounce it s s a
U l T so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I love it. Yeah, and there's a girl from Portugal
called Marrow. I just love it. She's so great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I really love that. And then how do you find
new music?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Just ask all my friends like, what are you listening to?
And then stop following it? And then do you listen?
You listen on Spotify? Yeah, you guys play on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Girl too. Well, there's where our family's divided.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The boys and our family listen through Apple Music, okay,
And I didn't know that. I thought everyone was listening
on Spotify. And I canceled our Apple Music thing and
it was mutiny.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They were pissed. They were like, my my son was
like all of my playlists have been destroyed? What did
you do to me? And I was like, oh so
I would. I quickly went back, but he got on back.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You got back.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, he's got a great taste of music. I have
to say, I give that to Christopher his credit, because
when Luke is in the car with Christopher, he really
listens to the music he wants to listen to, and
so Luke kind of comes to his music. I am
in the car with the girls, I think probably more
often than not, and I just go along with what
they want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They're very mainstream. They're very mainstream.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's not to say that they don't have opinions about
the mainstream, but they're very much in you know, the
Sabrina Carpenter, Gracie Abrams amazing, yeah, and such incredible artists.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And you know what I have to say.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I find that the girl power that's coming up in that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Group feels very self possessed.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Really, they feel in control. They feel like they're saying
when and where and how.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
They're not afraid to say ugly things. Yes, they're not
afraid to talk about real stuff. Yes, I mean Doci
was talking about that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
She foughts, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like so it makes me laugh, Yeah, it does. It's good.
Literally my kryptonite. I'm gonna start laughing now.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I cannot cannot talk about parts or farting without laughing.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But like all these illusions that all generations had to
have when.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
We're like pretending, yes, perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Pretending we never farted, we never ever ever went to
the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I can't even say it now, Like I was literally about.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
To say what it is and I couldn't even say it. Yes,
I know it also and and the pulling off of
the mask. Right. I feel like my generation was very
much like if you're gonna put them on Instagram, it's
a pretty pretty picture. It's a you know, it's not this,
you know, unrehearsed.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And the next generation don't want egg brushed.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah everything, yeah, yea, yeah, are okay?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Alter down there on Snapchat?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well have you ever turned your camera around on you
at the wrong moment? That's it's a fucking shame spiral.
I'm like, what, it's a total jump scared to me.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You are so beautiful you are. I don't even say
how amazing you are.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I mean, every time I'm with you, I just I
can't stop saying great stuff about you. The thing that
I love is how generous you are, just like really
kind to people. And I just feel it every time
I'm with you. Is this like giving super power thing
you have?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I take that as a huge compliment and I am
I'm grateful you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, So when do you feel like you create?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like in your are there like spaces where you go
to you go like I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Write songs right now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Or I'm going to journal, or like how does that
work because I'm so not an original content creator. I
take people's words and then I make them something, hopefully,
but I've actually never been an original content creator. So
what is that problem that's like for you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So it's it's all artists way, the artist's way, like, wait.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You just write, have you done it?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I've tried.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The problem. The only problem with that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
One of the things is that it's called the Morning Pages,
and you do like morning dump like you do it.
The problem that I have is I'm not a morning person,
so I don't have any great ideas in the morning.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I don't have any ideas at all. I have nothing.
My brain is not thinking anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Are you supposed to just dump?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't have anything to dump, Like this morning it's empty, empty, nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Your thoughts are gone, very strange.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, so I have to wait a little bit to
like wake up but out engine. Yeah, yes, I think
exercise and yoga and those things have been really helpful
for me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And then so I just don't do the morning like.
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I'm not not legalistic, like I don't do the Morning Pages,
but I definitely do pages. You know, and you had
a night I'm a night out, so I I love
doing stuff at night. That's when it's like really like
a live and I need to have like private spaces
to do that, Like I have like a room. I
have a place at my house. It's my creative room.
And yeah, I just go crazy. But it's I'm very
(21:11):
collaborative like you are. Like I love to write over
zoom with people and like get someone will send me
a track. Jack Harlow sent me a bunch of tracks
and us like a lot of rappers send me songs
and then I'll send it back and kind of go
back and forward. Yeah, and then I get ideas for
books and like I wrote like it was an idea
for a movie. I write it down. I'm always writing
(21:33):
things down. I'm always taking notes. And then I want
to I want to write a TV show and she's like,
why don't you just make it a song? So then
I was like, oh, yeah, that would be a good
song title. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a songwriter
and I want to do that first. And people do
want songs, so you know, and then yeah, I mean
a lot of it is collaborative and it is about people.
(21:56):
It is like someone will come to my mind and
I'll text them right away, and I'll a lot of
times it's just at the right moment.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think that I think that is very spot on.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think in the collaborative universe, we go in and
out of a lot of woo woo over here. You know,
I really believe that we're so connected.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
It's just yes, yes, yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I find I have a lot of thoughts in general
that range from my to do list to creativity in
the shower.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
H shower is great.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, And then I have been known to truly just
step out of the shower and be sopping wet and
like reach for my phone. Drive just my right hand
off enough so that the front of my iPhone will
register my fingertaps.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yes, I will write notes or I'll do like the voice.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Note thing, and then I'm like, oh, yes, I got
my thoughts down.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And then I'll come back to look at them and
I'll be like that was That's a different language, Like oh,
and what were they thinking? How am I meant to
follow the bread crumbs here?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, It's like it's like when you write a song
in the middle of the night it's very hot, it
doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Like I write a song in the middle of the night.
I don't you do? Do you ever wake up?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
In the most time, But I'm singing so quietly trying
not to wake anyone, and it's like really hard to
kind of make it out the next day. But sometimes
I have full songs in dreams, you know. I'm like, maybe, yeah,
that's the one, you know. So there's a part of
songwriting that's a fit addictive, like it's like a hit,
(23:29):
like maybe this is the next big song.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. See. I love that about you too,
is that you have that optimism like anything it could be.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, as evidenced by your story of unwritten.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I mean that's truly the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is that you never know when it's coming, and and
so you just keep showing up. Someone recently that I've
worked with for such a long time and I were
talking about this business and how it's changed and what
we do and the vulnerability of it, and then how
quickly you have to go back and forth between feeling
(24:05):
very vulnerable, which would perhaps maybe lead to thoughts where
you feel a little unwanted right because you're like, ooh,
I want to be picked.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I want to be picked for the part. I want
to be picked for the track.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I want someone to pick up the music, to start
playing in different places so people will again allow it
into their lives. And as we know from back, like
when of our music started right and there was only
radio to expose it to people, the more it's played,
the more it's in your consciousness, the more you get
you come to it.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So there's this, there's this back and forth between the
vulnerability and like please pick me to the self possessed, empowered.
I know what I'm doing, yea, I know what I'm doing,
and this is my interpretation of this character and it
may not be the one that gets picked, but it's
mine and I'm the only one that can do it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And I'm the only one that can write this song.
And it's a really it's an interesting back and forth.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
As a creative Yeah, it is. And and then but
though both those sides are so important to.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The actual process.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think, don't you The convulnerability is everyone and everyone
feels that. But then the strength is kind of what
we all need.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah so yeah, yeah, yeah completely.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I just I think that everyone should be writing songs.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Everyone should be writing, and everyone should be singing and
doing things that are because singing is your.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Your vegus nerve, your vague nerve.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's just like it's it's regulating and it's it's like
dancing where it's good for you. And I think that's
why people love to go to shows, because you're singing,
you're using It doesn't matter how it sounds, it's not
it's not about the end result. It's not about whether
you're going to be famous for it. It's just the
feeling of singing feel so great with other people. The
(26:02):
feeling of dancing feels great, you know, And those are
all very human things that just bring us into a
highest selves.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think that is so well put. And it's reminding
me that, I mean, I'm a little bit of a crier.
I have easy access to that as as sort of
like my expression of feeling. And I was at a
barmeutzva over this past weekend and as soon as the
(26:31):
canter started, I'm just crying. And I was reminded that
every time I go to church, as soon as the
entire congregation starts singing, I start crying. And it's they're
not sad songs, they're beautiful songs. There're songs of hope
they're songs of this, that or the other. Song of
them are sad. But I immediately start crying, and I
(26:55):
think it's because of what you just described. It's just
this beauty, a full, primal thing that all of us
can do. Clearly some of us better than others, but
we It hooks us, it brings us together.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a belonging.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, it's a before I go on stage, my band
and I we all just do two omes and it
looks so silly because it's just too just yeah oh yeah,
you know, uh, but it's it's the vibration, like we
kind of lock in with each other. It's like as
we're looking at each other, as we're owning, you kind
of just feel zing like we're together. Yeah, and we
(27:35):
can we can do anything no matter what happens, Like
if there's sound problems, if there's we're just gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, just keep going in, just keep going.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I feel like it's that locking in with each
other that feels great.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It is because now I find you know that, as
you've explained, there's so many songs that are so personal
to you, and now because of social media and because
of the the access that you know, we all have
to each other. We're hearing the personal story, maybe even
before you've heard the song. So like my my twelve
(28:06):
year old told me all about one of Sabrina's songs
and how it was about this ex boyfriend and then
how he cheated on her, And I was like, how
do you know all of this?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
But okay, do you feel?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
How do you what's your relationship with social media?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I love TikTok. I think it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, TikTok loves you, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Maybe that's why I like it. I love to be loved.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Who doesn't? But I like this. I like this for you.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Okay, So TikTok I TikTok has like book talk, TikTok
mental health, like it has a number of different rain talk. Yeah,
it has a number of things that I can navigate
through that and it doesn't have to be dance moves
all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Although people have them for your song, I think I'd
be very flattered by that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, that's so cool. And I met with the kids.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
You made a dance to my song that viral, and
I loved how TikTok brought us together, and I loved
how touched I was from just other people's lives.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, and so yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh, I think Instagram for me, it's not my my
big I haven't really conquered Instagram, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I love them, it's like I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
We have to conquer I obviously don't get it or
people don't get me on it. But but but Spotify,
like you know, it's like, I don't know, there's a
kind of disconnect.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
With Yeah, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's all different for all of Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Kind of what you really do do well on Instagram.
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't know that I do well.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I don't have the bandwidth to to really understand more
than one. So I've sort of glommed onto Instagram as
my go to. And then and then it makes sense.
I always get lost on TikTok. I don't know what's
going on. I need to get better at this.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You have to train the algorithm. Like somebody show me Jax,
who is a huge TikToker. She gave me lessons, so
maybe I need to And she gave me like a
few hours of really really good lesson she was just
like really keeping it short and sweet and really training
the algorithm first, training the algorithm. Just go through it
and really don't like it, really like, don't like this,
don't like this, don't like this. Right, and then it
(30:14):
really figures you out really quickly, because the thing about
TikTok is this loud, and as soon as you open up.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's just like a shock to your system. And I
always just used to throw my phone.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but once you stop, you start
really telling it what you like, you start getting really
it figures.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You out very so.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So if I let it know that I think that
farts are funny, do you think that I would just
get lots and lots of funny farts.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, Okay, I'm dumb.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, but but but the actual it's very much like
Instagram too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Reels, well, the reels make me laugh the hardest. I
could talk to you for five thousand hours, but we
have a little bit of a rapid fire here.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Real, So a little a couple of.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Questions that just like, whatever comes to your mind. First,
if you had someone.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
To play you in a biopic, oh, would you want
it to be?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I feel like like, even though she's older than Meat,
but Kate winslet.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I would love that. She's great.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I love that. Okay. What is something you would tell
your younger self.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Wait a few years and there'll be a song that
will really relate to you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Know. I think just to lighten up. I think I
was very serious as a as a teenager, I was
really trying to do everything correctly, and I think I
have a bit of fun would have been a good thing.
Like I wasn't really light and light at that point
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Just really trying to be a grown up. Yeah, yeah,
I get that.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
One artist you would like to collaborate with, I.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Would love to collaborate with eminem.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's a good one. Okay. If your life right now
had to theme song, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's what I'm trying to write. Yes, your theme and
I've written it.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I've got a really cool song that I think is is.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That new theme song? Oh for me at least? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I love that. Okay, Oh, I can't wait. Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What's one thing that fans would be surprised to learn
about you?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Well, a lot of American fans would be surprised that
I'm English, because they often are quite surprised because my
songs are like American songs. Yeah, and I was homeschooled.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's something I don't think everyone knows. Yoh yeah, from
eleven till seventeen.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Wow, at home with your family.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah were your siblings and four kids.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, Well, thank you, think you, Thank
you so much for coming.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I love you to get thank you
Speaker 3 (33:01):
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