Adam Moody of Alchemy-29

Adam Moody speaks about his time with Lowell and new adventures with Alchemy-29. At Alchemy 29, they have a passionate team of chemists, cultivators, geneticists, designers, PHD’s & connoisseurs dedicated to purifying, maturing, and perfecting cannabis on every level possible. They are crafting the future of cannabis cultivation & extraction.

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nod out with us. Our guests today, Adam Moody, thank
you so much for coming on. He's the director of
manufacturing at Alchemy twenty nine Extracting and Processing. Now check
out the website Alchemy dash twenty nine, which is a L. H. E. M.
Y Dash twenty nine dot com. Are on Instagram at
Alchemy dot twenty nine. Over at Alchemy twenty nine they
are crafting the future of cannabis cultivation and extraction. Now,

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this is amazing about these guys because they're all chemists
attempt to purify, mature, and perfect certain materials. At Alchemy
twenty nine, they have a passionate team of chemists, culturvaders, genetics, designers,
pH d s, and connoisseurs dedicated to purifying, maturing, and
perfecting the cannabis at every level possible. And listening to you,

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Adam outside, I know you said you geek off just
staying in the lab doing this. They are crafting the
future of cannabis cultivating and extraction. Now. Adam went to
the University of California educated in business, economics and political
science with specializations and operational organization, optimization, manufacturing process, labor utilizations,

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through put, and competitive analysis. Welcome to the show. I
actually had to look up the word through put because
it did not know what that means. And that's just
very thorough and I loved it that I had to
even do research on that. Adam, Welcome to the show.
It is great to have you. I want to talk
about your company, and just to even put this out
there for the listeners. Were also going to talk to
him because he worked at Lowell, and Lowell was a

(03:01):
whole dynamic of drama and ironic things that happened. And
I definitely want to go down that road with you, Adam,
and I know you're open to it. But let's talk
first about what you're currently doing. Because this company that
everything I just read is right up our alley, meaning
you guys are doing research. You guys are looking for
what's best for people. You guys are using chemists, you

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guys PhDs, you're using all these people that have brains
to create things to better make cannabis use for the environments. Right,
that's what you guys are doing, absolutely, and we're thinking
towards cannabis three point out. You know, it's all about
modernization and evolution of industries, and we're thinking it's finally
time to come out of the shadows and start putting

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in automation, start putting in research, development and proprietary methods
and back except to you know, how do you even
get involved and something like that? What what is your
childhood take you to before you're like, oh my god,
you know you're playing with all these labs and your
chemist basically in there messing with you know, multimillion dollar
property into tease and all these other things. How did
it even come to walk us through your story? It's

(04:03):
completely surreal, to be honest with you. I never thought
I was going to get into the cannabis industry. It
happened kind of all at once. So I moved to
Irvine to go to college to start my business degree Irvine. Yeah. So,
so I I got on the internet and at the
time I think it was it wasn't weed Maps, but

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they had a different one of those proprieted marketing websites.
And I remember leaf before even Leafley. We that's a
good one. We'd find we'd find her place, hold her
name whatever. So I looked up a dispensary and I
found what advertised itself as a Los Angeles dispensary in
Lake Forest. So I got in my car. I had

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headed down to Raymond Street, right off of El Toro,
and behind this uh sushi restaurant that couldn't even spell
all you can Eat, there was a dispensary and behind
this white door there there was this tall gentleman and
his two bud tenders and they were just hustling out
of courage ours and I remember st behind six or
seven people waiting for you. Must have been five minutes

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for them to get me to the front of the line.
I remember I got I walked up to the owner
and I just said, you need another guy on the scale.
And that was my first day in cannabis. Adam, did
you know that that shop was illegal at the time?
This was two fifteen, so like they were claiming to
be illegal. But once again, let me ask the same question, Adam,
at that time, did you know that was still an
illegal shop? What you say? I had no idea. I

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was bushytail than bride eyed. I I didn't even know.
That's so funny though about the industry that like thinking
when you say Lake four is like, dude, there's nothing
legal about far south? You gotter go further south? Are
you better go north than ever? And never? And I
came from out Lay. There were dispensaries here and we
just used to go in and out of them like
it was nothing. A lot of the we are the
igal legal right exactly. It's it's but it's hard and

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I'm not condemning you. I'm actually like everybody. But he's
talking about ten years ago, right yeah, I mean yeah,
I mean this was two thousand five. It could happen today.
Dogging Lake Forest right now, some kid that's, you know,
twenty years old here in California and the it is
happening and all of that. They're they're working there and

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they're like telling their friends, I work here, and where
do you live. We've talked to girls that work at shop. No,
this shop is legit. It's happening, like, no one, it's not.
You're in Anaheim. Oh no, we're super legit. No, you're here.
You can't be if you're here, you know, Lincoln. No.
So I think you guys are seeing ahead at the
story a little bit. But like you can see, they
just right on YouTube help yourselves and go watch what

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you found out there the raid for this dispensary. And
that's when I found out that I was. I'm on
camera and that raid. Tell me the story of the raid,
walk us through that experience. Oh yeah, so that we
get this, like just we hear the shuddering bang. And
by the time the raid happened, I was managing this dispenser,
recounting money in the back, making trips to humbles. You
open the front to the manager. I went from a

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scale to a manager in three weeks. I elevate quickly.
So so I'm sitting I don't expect nothing less for you,
and do the best for my where I work. So
I was happy to be there and I was doing
good work for this guy. And so we hear this
giant thud at the door, and then another giant thud
at the door. We looked down at the cameras and
we just see it looks like just guys with machine

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guns and masks. At first, we don't even know that
it's the police. We think we're getting robbed. Yeah, first
your first instinct is these guys are robbing us. The
first thing we do is you try to high tail
it out the back door, and then you get a
uniform guy puts the gun right in your face, and
that's the moment you realize, oh shit, this is it's
the cops. You know, Like, you walk your butt back inside,
you get on the floor, you spread your arms out,

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and then you start pondering to yourself, where did I
go wrong? You know, like, where did this legal operation?
Because again at the time, I was twenty years old,
very bushy tail, like I've walked into there like as
a customer thing. I like, wait, I'll get a discount.
This is yeah, man, this guy's got tattoos. He's way
cooler than me. Like he's got my back, let's go. Yeah.

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And you know how I was back in the day,
you know, I always had like the pretty girl up
front the sceptionists. Now you have a guy with a
gun and a body armor. But back in the day,
like that was your you know, They're like, so it
was a very different time back then. And I remember
that was when I learned stubbornness. You know, Like after
we after we got we bailed out of jail, we
we found all of our houses were destroyed, all of it.
They took all the flour. But we had been storing

(08:17):
our hash in the freezer and under some ice cream,
and they left the ice cream and they left all
the hash. So after getting absolutely Tarantino level blittered obliterated,
we basically just put the hash in the ice cream
on all the shelf and just reopened the fence. We
were like, gotta start somewhere, and like all of our
contacts at the time felt bad. They immediately sent their
cariers down. They immediately resupplied the store and probably three

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months later rated again you know, like like they don't
they take they don't find it very promising that you
do the exact same thing immediately after they tell you
that it's wrong. But again I was stubborn by this point,
like I was self righteous. I like our lawyer had
told us, we're going to get you off. This is
absolutely totally fine. You know, you know you always hear
that story of this, like these impassioned defenses, but no,

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you just sit in court for six years and talk
about nonsense. You know, it happened. So so eventually I
did stop doing retail. So like I, I agreed with
the district attorney, you went to the jail, you served
in and out eleven days in and out. That I
ended up pleading to a misdemeanor and I painted the
curbs at Huntington Steep State Beach. That that was my penalty.
You had to renting releasing a location for It's called

(09:25):
community service. Yeah it was community service. Yeah we'll let
you go. Yeah yeah, so they so they so let
me go, but but like they with a very strong
warning that this is not for you, and like, go
do something else. You're a smart kid, go have go
do something else. So so my brilliant mind decides that
I'm gonna go start growing weed in Santa Cruz. You know,
like like what's the next step, you know, like go
behind the tree. So you did get a case, so

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a minor one, you know, like like infraction or misdemeanors. Yeah,
like misdemeanter probation. So I had to I had to
be good. Yeah, it was informal grow weak. I mean
that's what we always have been told is you just
go up north and you get a really good probation
officer and then you just go back to work. You know.
It's like education. Like yeah, I always say you guys
talking about university, you know, like I went to u

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C I for college, but like I went to Upper
Division Weed School. Yeah, that was grad school there. We
go exactly my doctorate. So we started doing forever flowers,
like during the end of Prop. Two fifteen when when
recreation was coming in, and we we did eight uh
light assisted greenhouses on a sand on a Watsonville property

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and and now the entire county is covered in them. Really, yeah,
it's really just an honor to be a part of it.
Like we we we talked about a tongue in cheek,
like like we knew it was illegal, But I don't
think that really mattered as much as it does now.
You know, like now we have to keep clean and
make sure that like we we operate our businesses with
the utmost like efficiency and compliance. But like back then,

(10:49):
like there wasn't compliance. You know, buy cannabis from anybody
who's selling it and put it out and this and that. Now,
like even working at a company where you're at, you're like, okay,
we can't do a none of that stuff. Yeah they
grab this, can't grab that. Now it's got to go
straight through this and no, it's gotta go through metric exactly. Now.
I mean it's such a it's such a different um
you know, industry, but but yet needs to be uh
you know, so regulated at the moment because you know,

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if not, then there's too many corners gonna be cut
right and the safety of whomever is taking it in
I guess would be important. Hunter personally, I couldn't agree more.
Like fast forward ten years and I'm doing a forensic
audit with c d pH as a representative of LOW
and like I passed that thing with flying colors, And
this is the same whippers napper. We thought he would
go to Santa Cruise and learn how to grow as

(11:33):
a like informal probation on it, you know, like I
have a clean record now, I live scan for compliant
for licenses, and and now now I do believe just
like you, that we need to clean the industry up.
Passionate operators are not an excuse for cutting corners, just
like you said. And again, I'm sure we'll talk about
it a little bit more exactly. It's like there's so
many talented people in this industry, but like the ones

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that we talk about most are the ones that really
just crashed straight into a brick wall for us. Do
you want to touch Lowell before we get into your
new company or you want to go We're gonna come back.
We're gonna talk to Adam Moody about his new company,
Alchemy twenty nine. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. Will
be right back after this. We'll be right back with
Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk

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one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on
one with Blue Joe Grande and the story goes, the
story goes. As we're talking to Adam, there's so many
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at a moody, I love what your company is currently

(13:08):
doing right now. Everything I've read so far so and
everything that you talked about now overheard you speaking on
the stories of the labs that you're in and the
things that you're making and the first things that you've
made and created and come up with, and you're such
a I like to call genius to be honest with you,
because like when I hear you you talking and people
like you talking about things like that, I go, that's
fucking genius. Because who comes up with making glad, making this,

(13:31):
making that, and how do you even fathom trying to
do and come up with these different things? So what
is it that your company is doing and what are
you doing over there with them at good Old Alchemy.
So we're trying to introduce a new concept called farmed
Package where we want to vertically integrate the entire process
that takes the distribution distribution model and starts it from processing.

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So we really want to go to the farms, we
want to help them do the final harvesting stage, take
it to one of our auto curring facilities that we're
designing ourselves, and and use that PRODUCTSS to break it
down into the different products that people want to sell,
and then use our distribution capabilities to move it. The
goal being is to to basically cooperate with the smaller
farmers and the social equity partners that are really getting

(14:12):
left behind, like we we we wanted to start with
a lower income county so that we had the opportunity
to work with farms that we're really falling behind. I mean,
once you have the decline and weed prices, a lot
of these guys don't really have the capability of getting
their product to distributors that will package it. So we
came up with this model that what we would do
is we would just take that middleman out and become

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that become that partner with the brands. So they still
own the I P, they still on the packaging, they
still own the genetics, or they can acquire them from us.
But the idea is is we take out the need
to buy a three dollar machine, we take out the
need to buy a production line, and all of our
lines are automated, So we're talking about minimizing costs per
touch so that we can do this at the at

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a savings to an operator that would otherwise have to
finance equipment to enter in the space. The goal of
as for any co packer and white labelers to give
them a step up and then eventually obviously they'll they'll
develop themselves and make their own product. But by putting
me in the role that I'm in, I can really
give them some insight and how to design products that
they would not have otherwise thought, and how to use
different byproducts to maximize profits, increase revenue, and and really

(15:18):
create market share where they didn't otherwise think it existed.
No no, no, no, is that a service that you're
you're taking on. You're saying, okay, here, you grow it,
send it to us, we'll cure it, and we'll take
it from from that point. So you just drop off
the raw cut, right, the rock cut gets shipped down
some kind of fresh frozen or something to keep it cold,
however they get it to you, whatever the case is,

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and then you cure it in your facility. Then you're
gonna package it into pre rolls, extractions, whomever, whatever, right,
because you carry all the licenses to do so, correct,
and then you're gonna destroy it for them or for you,
So the their choice. So by creating the full service

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vertical that that the option really lies with the clients.
So if if they have the opportunities to distribute product themselves,
then obviously that will stop at a processing level. Some
farms will only have us dry, cure, trimmed the material,
perhaps put it into a bag or a jar, but
not distribute it, in which case we're happy to do that.
What we're trying to do is offer what what in
other industries is kind of a common market co packer.

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Totally get it, Yeah, totally, and I love it. I
love it. It's well, yeah, I mean some some people
need because they don't want to buy everything that you're
saying not they have to go buy it right to
start doing oils or start making well, a lot of
the operators, okay, there's two types. Right. There's the guy
that can do the whole ship himself, right, so he's
vertically integrated. He can produce it, he can make it,

(16:47):
he can distribute to himself. So that guy, you know,
and he has the facility and then know how to
do right. But then there's the guy that has all
those license but really can't do it just because he's
already taking on this monster. He's already how to get
this monster off the ground, but just doesn't know how
to distruct maybe you know, maybe he's packaging it, but
he's like, funk, how do I destroy this thing? You know?
And and so on and so forth. There's always those breakdowns.

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But but as you look into you know, what I'm
what I'm foreseeing for this is that there's a lot
of operators that need this service right now. And I
have one, you know, I mean, you know, for example,
there's a social equity applicant that we have. They they
and they're just starting up their licensing right there. But
they've got the the growth licensed, extraction license and the

(17:29):
um distribution license, but they don't have the growth set
up yet. But they have the building. It's in Long Beach.
You know, they have all the licenses and their social
equity and they're just you know, trying to make it now.
Is that someone you'd help too, or is that like
they're not for far along, for far enough along yet?
So honestly, the vision is in development. So our our

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goal is to to fully launch this capability for harvest
season this year with with our primary avenue for clientele
being the outdoor and the greenhouse operators. But but but again,
and we're indifferent to the material coming in because we
have the capacity to run larger scale operations at fairly
efficient processes like are for example, our solventless hashwasher takes

(18:11):
the process that usually we take four hours and reduces
it down to forty five minutes. Yeah, and where's your facility?
Lake County, California. So we Lake County, that's in between
Napa and Sonoma. So so drive to Santa Rosa and
then drive through a forest and you'll come out of
the backside of a hill and what you're here in county.
I I come down. I travel a lot to make
sure that we stayed there. I am out there now. Well,

(18:34):
thank you for coming down to the show. Absolutely absolutely
tonight tonight right. I am nice. We got a bed
in the back, don't we got you If you need
to play perfect, I just need a cot and like
a little sheet and covered. We got you covered. Don't
worry about that and help yourself. Tony snacks, food and
drinks and whatever. But how did you find this company
or did they find you? It was it was a

(18:54):
mutual effort, you know, you know, like I had just
finished my work at Low and I was looking for
an opportunity to kind of put my flag into the
ground and and really represent more than just a single brand,
but but a part of the industry. And I felt,
just like you mentioned, that this is something that's really
needed and something that's really being overlooked, and it's an
opportunity to really put my name on something that I'm
passionate about. So when when I was faced with the opportunity,

(19:16):
it was a big move, you know, Like I'm from
Sherman Oaks, so like going up to Lake County where
the entire county has sixty seven thousand people. Wow, Sherman
Oaks has on my block. I think I had thirty.
So it was really a culture clash. But I I
no regrets and I'm not looking back, and I really
love the community that I get to be a part

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of the way that we look at it is NAPA
didn't start NAPA. We have an opportunity to make Lake
County like a nap of of of Canadas like. We
have an opportunity to bring high paying jobs to a
a a lower income county, and we're talking about developing
very large pots of land for for cultivation. Many of
the cities and you know, they're they're welcome, they're welcoming.

(19:59):
The the growth can't. So we work with the county.
So a lot of these are what's called census designated areas,
so we don't always work with cities. What we do
is work primarily with the Bard of Supervisors because it's
a small county. There's growing pains. You know, you've got
two hundred forty three applications and you've got a board
of supervisors with a very finite budget. I mean, they
do the best that they can that. That's honestly why

(20:20):
we we were just patient and we're waiting to get
this operation fully up and running. We're focused on on
micro farming our our own genetics and and specializing at
what we're good at. And and like I said, we're
very confident that we'll be up and running by the
by the time the first harvest come over October. And
you were mentioning outside something about getting frozen cannabis and
doing three fifty pounds at a time. Is that what

(20:41):
I heard? Fresh frozen? So we we have a solventless
reactor that is capable of running three d fifty pounds
of fresh frozen per per wash and it can that
that converts to roughly a hundred and thirty pounds of
dry material if you wanted to run trim so so
I mean, we we're talking about the capability of running
a ton of day through that material through that machine.
And and what our goal is is food grade solvent

(21:03):
lists for like for making edibles, for making topicals. We
think that that really is where providence exists, you know,
like like removing food grade topicals edibles, yep, and just
creating the by product for them. So we don't really
want to go into the formulation of those different things,
but we want to bring the cost of the by
the constituent materials to something comparatable to a distolate so

(21:27):
that you would have a choice. You know, like creating
that market segmentation is important to us because we're providence people.
Like what you read there is like we know our
product and we care about the chemical composition. We we
care about everything like down to the down to the
molecular level. So so we're we're we're really trying to
be that that Google Alphabet of cannabis where you're always

(21:49):
constantly developing. And one of the things that really drew
me to the company is the fact that I'm really
always told to focus on side projects and keep ambition
going forward. You know, when you're in startup mode, very
often you get put into a single lane and you
get told to operate in that lane. Just do this,
just to stay here, stay here, don't you don't go
for shiny objects, stop, just go and do this. I

(22:11):
get the opportunity to participate with the Cannabis Alliance for
Tax Reform for the for the state of California. You know,
like that's not even related to anything manufacturing. And it's
this great opportunity to be able to talk about tax law.
It's a great opportunity to do public public speaking demonstrations
in front of front of government, and it's a great
opportunity to just understand how you create change. You know,

(22:33):
the cultivation chat tax is now making a roughly of
outdoor revenue if you can sell it. So so I
I think it's really important that we all we all
band together. So one of the initiatives that we're leading
over in Lake County is we're going to all the
counties that have cannabis operators, and we're going to those
boards of supervisors and those city councils and we're trying

(22:54):
to have them pass them basically a request to the
governor Newsome to suspend the cool motivation tax until the
tax reform comes in. And and you know, having a
crystal ball and and word on the streets, where do
you see it going? Taxes? I mean realistic? Where where
do they go from here? Right? Because there's so and

(23:14):
and I know, but I mean, you know, you know,
if you don't have a solution or an answer for
you know what I mean, like, what's the solution so
my first opinion is that a fixed taxes probably unfair
until we figure out what the realistic bottom of our
industry is. Like all commodities have a market price. Cannabis
does not yet, you know, like it moves around a lot,
because we have to dual markets that are transacting in it,

(23:35):
and those markets have the difference in those markets are
the tax rate and they're massive, massive, massive competitors, and
and the tax right and and overhead exactly right, I mean,
because you're not you know, you're you're you're operational out
of your vehicle and I'm operational out of a building. Difference.
You know, I'm paying fourteen twenty dollars a month to
be here, okay, and I'm selling yeah, and this guy

(23:58):
and he's selling the same amount. You know, we pay
more in insurance than like most trap operations pay in
total expenses. And and that, yeah, I mean, I mean
that That's what we're trying to suggest is rational policy,
cohesive policy across the industry. We're not trying to be unfair.
I think the first thing is that the tax should
be based on sales. You know, having a cultivation tax

(24:19):
based on production that is predictive is unfair, you know,
like obviously all the operators want to add another acre
to see if they can increase sales. But if the
market bottoms out and they still have as many acres,
like the cultivation tax accounts for of now their revenue.
And again that's the type of thing where we're saying
we'll make it just based like a variable rate based

(24:40):
on a final sale what gets moved, that's what gets sold,
or a fixed rate that gets adjusted based on the
market price of cannabis. You know, like you you can't
have this like hundred eighty nine dollar cultivation tax for
a four hundred all our pal and like what we're
gonna do is clear the field and like put a
cow on it. You know, it doesn't make sense to
but cannabis until we figure out how to get the

(25:01):
tax right down. So so I think it's a balancing act,
you know, it's it's understanding like where you can affect
change and affecting it and then getting back to work
and just grinding your ass off. It's so hard to
to figure it out, but God willing something like that
would happen. And how long have you been with this
company now still a new company? Is it Um, it's
a fairly new company. So it's it's it's about a
year and two month old company, and I've been with

(25:23):
them for about four months now. And like, like I said,
I work with a very intelligent, very passionate team that
comes from multiple walks of life. Like we we have
talent that's traveled the world, Like we we have our
breeder from from DNA from Holland, and we we have
our CEO does HVAC systems for all the major indoor
growers across the state. So so I mean, we we
have the knowledge base to to really understand what we're

(25:45):
getting into and what we're tackling. And and again it's
really about polishing, polishing what we we believe to be
a very true industry. So your primary customers though, are
the growers? Yeah, the primary customers are the girls or
or Greenhouse either operations, right, correct, We are our own
customer as well. I mean, we will also be operating
our own farms and making our own products and brands

(26:07):
as well. And and do you plan on operating outside
of the state as well or just California folks? Again,
those are questions a little bit higher than that I'm making, right, now,
but I'm sure there's always ambitions for M s O.
That's that's clearly the dream. It's the ms O push
towards I p O. I. I can't speak for our
higher ups. I do really believe we do like the
grassroots nature of our business and are happy with where

(26:27):
we're at in life. Like we we we have plenty
of too, plenty of equity or plenty plenty of capital
to accomplish what our goals are, and we have a
very big dream. So until we achieve that, there's no
real reason to start looking outward. Well, I can't wait
to see their dream. If you're a big grower, go
ahead and check them out online Alchemy, which is a
l C H B m y Gas twenty nine dot com.

(26:48):
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If you don't go, you don't Grows Cannabis Talk one
oh one. We're sitting here with Adam Moody, the director
of manufacturing at Alchemy, and Adam, you know, I got
a little birdie in my ear, but Amy that goes.
Adam used to work at all. Did you remember all
the drama? He doesn't. He's able to talk about it,

(27:52):
and I'm like, no, no, wait. First off, Low Cafe
Los Angeles, Big Company, Low Big Company, Bill of den.
I mean the headline of this art of this show
is going to be something like Low Stormer. There's so
many stories we've heard, and I feel like it goes

(28:12):
back to the other podcast that we just did with
the Other Atom of all the stories that we've heard
of medmen and this and that, all the grease we've
heard of Low Cafe and Low Business. That all being said, brother,
how did you start with low and how did you
find them and take us through the whole drama that
you went through there. Amazing. So the first thing I
want to say is most of the people at LOW
we're tremendously talented people that I have nothing but respect

(28:33):
for the first day I was brought into four. Yeah,
well we'll get there. Let's let's most have story time
and like you can make your own judgments about the
people that. Look, there's two sides to every story, and
in this case, I think there's three. So so I
remember pulling up to the corporate office on uh Kuanga
before before they had moved, and I just remember the

(28:55):
first thing when I walked in, I was like, this
must be the most successful weed company in the entire world,
like everything before you worked there, before I worked there,
Like what I was going in to meet the CEO.
It was the second one for a few minutes. The
press was big. It was crazy crazy, like like they
had Sharon Stone and Woody Harrelson on the wall, like
everything was custom Italian marble. They were serving seven dollar
bottles of kombucha and like like edged glass. Like it

(29:17):
was first time I walk in, I'm like this this
place is crazy, you know, like just like the packaging.
Everything had a place, and everything's place was perfect on point.
So I walk in and I remember it was the
weirdest job interview that I've ever had to date, because
they already had a product. You know, this wasn't a
job interview to like take over a roll. This was

(29:38):
a job interview to do one specific thing. And so
so they throw the box down and they tell me
this really impassioned story and they're like, we've tried to
do a vape before, and I'm like, how did it go?
And so so the vape that they tried to do
before with Suicide Girl's vape, and like that's actually a
really funny story that all the apes on the shelf
after they made them, they turned dark black and they
had to be recalled, like like you had a distal

(29:58):
of cartridge that was but toughly that color yeah, black literally,
and so so like they realized that they can't go
through those steps again without having a formulation guy. So
the first formulation guy that got was like an edible guy,
and he had he walked into his interview and told
him that he could he could make rosin and he
could make solvent lists oils. And I remember I got.

(30:18):
I got a call from this gentleman and he's like
three months away from getting fired. Like I really I
need a little assistance on this one where you consold
on it. And I remember originally I was actually gonna
just pitch to White label this thing. I was like,
I got a good relationship with this other company, Like
if I bring him lull, like I become partner. So
I like, originally I I was a little bit more
ambitious with the deal, but that then they they had

(30:40):
other ideas in their mind. Like the first thing out
of Eli's mouth with the CEO at the time is
he's like, no, you're gonna come work here. You gotta
be part of the family. Like this guy was amazingly
good at making you feel like you guys were best
friends even though you didn't know each other, you know,
Like I I heard some stories on your podcasts about
how like people didn't drive around in aeroplanes and Lamborghini's,
this particular gentleman did so like yeah, so so there

(31:03):
was a black Lamborguni that had Low on the back
of it, and like that was pretty much like our
version of the batmobile, you know. And and again like
this this all went to that image that like, oh
my god, everything about this place is polished Lambeau right, right,
I need to pull a couple of lambos that put
them in the back and stuff like that and get
people really just jumping. Why not, I mean, just to

(31:24):
get them all liked one that says blue, yeah, super
clicked out that I would know where he was and
obviously like, like how many lambos in l A are
they that say low? So anytime somebody would see his car,
they called me up and I would just like a creeper.
R'd be like, so what are you doing here, buddy? Right?
So you guys are friends? Yeah? We again, the relationships

(31:45):
started really really great, you know, like like all good
things like when when when it's good, it's great. You know,
like they had just gotten some new funding in like
the jar and the PREI roll pack. We're famous, you know,
like everybody was talking about him like that. The creative
guys that worked at loew are still some of the
best of the industry has ever seen. You know, the
clamshells that they designed, the stories behind those packages are amazing.

(32:05):
You know what I would have came in and did
afterwards is I just expanded the brand. You know, I
came in and after I so I had a funny
story the first first iteration of the vape and I
brought in. I was really just trying to get the
flavor right. I wasn't worried about the clarity, and so
it was a cloudy rosin vape. But it was smokable,
it was amosified. And I remember I handed it to
the founder of the local concept of a gentleman named

(32:28):
saw Him Black. He's also the founder of Suicide Girls,
which is how those those relationships intersected. And I remember
handing him the vape and I remember he took a
taste of it. He looked at me through it straight
in the trash. Yeah. Like, this is what I learned,
the binary nature of successfully developing a product. Yeah, I respect,
you know, you get that like little tear. You's like
you think you did a good job and you're like

(32:49):
and then you're like then then you get yeah. Then
then you get an on remode and you're like, oh,
next time, I'm gonna put you down, you know. Like
so it really built me up. Like I I remember
when I first started it low I I honestly thought
I was in the best place on Earth doing the
best job. You know. It wasn't until like little things
started like falling through the cracks that did we realize,

(33:10):
like like it wasn't as polished on the inside as
it was on the outside. So so, like I'll give
you a great story. The first three months that we
were we were making uh, doing the R and D
s over at low Like we were working under a
formulation license, so we had to order the rows in
and then we could formulate the rasin that we brought
in an infusion license. And I remember what like I

(33:31):
finally got the R and D done for this product,
and I went back to the office and I was like, Okay,
let's start making it and and they said to me, well,
can you make it under an end license? And I
was like, not effectively buying raws in to put into
a V pen, You're not going to get the margin.
You need to make the raws in yourself. So so
we started applying for a type six license immediately. But
I remember that that same founder of the company was like,
we're not waiting three months to make a V eight pen.

(33:53):
And I was like, so what do you suggest And
he's like, well, we have this we have this friend
over here, like a partner relations and ship, and they
have a type six facility that we can operate out
if we can lease. And I said, cool. The three
things that I need to make rosin as I need
to access to ice, I need access to water, and
I need a drain. So he takes me over to
the building and what are the three things This building
does not have water? Keep going yep. So so for

(34:18):
the first three months we would truck in IBC cages
full of ro o, water, ice, our hash washers, everything,
so we would set up the operation. We would run
all the water and hash that we had. I'm not
even lying. This is the first iterationalpen was made out
of IVYC cages. Said yeah, and and like like I said,

(34:39):
a ton, you know, Like all we had to do
was wait two months and I remember that this is
what I finally got the CFO, like I like, I
I get an email that says, I we need to
talk a little bit. We need to figure out like
why so much money? Like yeah, like what is this margin?
Like who did this analysis that I walked into his
office that I explained to it. I was like, no,
I said, this was a bad idea and he's like, so,

(35:00):
how are we doing it? And I was like, well,
we we made this weird false logic that getting this
to market sooner would be better, you know, like it
was during the big push when Lowell was in four
hundred stores. You know, we we were, we were doing
a lot of revenue. We just keep keep. It's okay
to take something. Some revenues better than none, correct. And
and the way we developed it's a loss is the

(35:20):
box was so big it took up a bunch of
shelf space. So the idea was if we could get
it on the shelf, we like we we would stand
out so well based on the brand recognition that that
it would carry itself. So we started creating these inventory
levels based on these like fictitious ambitions that were based
on like false metrics, and and that that's when it
started becoming this like we we It felt like we

(35:40):
were chasing our tail a little bit, you know, like
we we we we we had this. We had this
creative meeting where I got called into an office and
I was like, I want to make nine different flavors
so that we can keep this thing rotating and we
can keep it relevant. We can keep dispensing re ordering it,
and I remember the same founder. He used to me,
He's like, there's only one good flavor, We're just gonna
make that one. I'm like, you want to make ani.

(36:02):
This is famous, there's one of the one of them.
The guys that works here, was like, why do you
only make pink limonade? And I was like, I'm not
entirely sure, Like I think we just had to run
out of our friends pink lemonade before we could start
making something. And don't get me wrong, one of the
best strains it won an Emerald Cup, like it was
a hashmaker's dream, great strain, but like you don't found
a vapen on one strain, So like just imagine like

(36:24):
how hard it was to recreate the other strains after
we had already done an initial push with stores. So
like we send out all this pink lemonade to all
of our flagship stores, so they're all putting it on theirselves,
and like we start getting back to these calls from
our sales reps and they're like, they need an Indica
and of sativa. We're like, yeah, that that makes perfect sense.
Like if you're gonna market a hybrid you gotta you

(36:45):
gotta market the other two. So it could be lemonade
and pink lemonade, Like pink lemonade should have been the
you know Sativa or what happened or whatever. So so
that that that's when like my my role shift significantly,
Like like my my my best friend was the chemist
that ended up coming to Lowell too, and he was
the one who ended up doing most of the gruntwork
in the lab. But what would happen is is we

(37:06):
had to go into procurement because we had to source
and create product for stores that would get into the
store within fifteen to twenty one days. You know, we
had a three month runway to get precliminated in the store.
We had a twenty one day runway to replace it. Yeah,
so so I I mean, like like like I said,
it was, there's no need to throw anything under the bus.

(37:28):
What like the ambition that really pushed us in this
direction was this, just like you said, it was to
get there first and to take as much space and
the dispensary as possible. You gotta you have the opportunity
to take it right. Well know what we're talking about
the loss, right, I mean, it's like when when you
make a decision right you're like, Okay, what am I
gonna do? I'm gonna go take a loss? Why, Well,

(37:48):
because I have the opportunity to get into stores right
now and they're they're waiting for the product, and wait
two months, the hype behind Lowell might not be here.
So we have to lose was money by shipping the
ship in here, getting it in and then you know,
bringing the processes, even though it's on the cost of
more money than we're gonna make. We get the we

(38:08):
get the ball rolling, and then on the second run
we're back to making profitable. Exactly in the in theory
at the second run was vastly successful. I mean, I'm
never gonna dog the vapen. It was a great line.
The reality was the launch we had we had some
significant growing pain because we didn't really apply that market
research that was necessary for the launch um And fortunately

(38:29):
the launch went so well they let me design six
other products for them, so it wasn't all bad. Yeah,
we we did fullmount hash for them. We we did
uh but Bubble, we did Keith, we did infuse pre roles,
we did uh a rosin Dart, we did a disposable
vape and we did mints. So you you have successfully

(38:51):
took all those different product lines and then put them
into over four stores with yep, fantastic. Now we're to
go bad then, I mean, where's this bad part of
the whole? Well, as you know, Low is pretty famous
for pretty specific lawsuit that we we we had to
engage in, and and only because it's public and only
because we came out of it in a positive light,

(39:11):
do I do? I feel so confident in speaking about it.
But again, there was a turpulent year at loew where
we went from having a pop up in New wu
in Vegas where we were at the top of the world.
Jose Andrews was cooking food for us, and then literally
the next day we find out that the largest lawsuit
in California history has been served on on Low for

(39:32):
for for for operating a cannabis activity on under expired
license on Sunset bullboard. Where was that at? That that
was something I believe it was somewhere up in central
California really, so it wasn't even the one in l A.
I thought it was the whole No, So that that's
why this news was so bad. But were they all
affected at that point, I mean obviously not not by

(39:55):
I'm saying, were they all shot down at that point
that they stopped the entire licensing or know. So what
they actually found out is after the investigation, they found
out that we did not actually know that the license
had expired on the facility we were storing material and
we were still treating the material is fully illegal. So
what what really put us in a positive light and
allowed us to move forward was the fact that all

(40:15):
the product that entered into the space was compliantly tested,
although it wasn't compliantly packaged because of the laps and
license at the facility where it was put in two
pre rolls. Oh so that's where it went wrong. Yeah,
just like remember the old days when you you had
a farm that had a manufacturing you could set the
b it was the attorney general. Actually, yeah, it's a
little different. Yeah, it's a little different. Yeah, they passed

(40:38):
it up. The result of it though, like I like
I said, it was ultimately settled and then we we
had to go through forends like Audit's for the rest
of our pretty much existence. We like it was funny.
The only thing that made it a little bit laved
was the fact that COVID had just hit. So we're
going through forensic audits through video chat, so it was
a little less forensic than you would expect if they Yeah,

(41:00):
that helps a lot. Yeah, I mean what's gonna be hidden? Yes,
your photoshop, Yeah, but no, I mean it was still
not even there. What's are buying that wall? Nothing right
here to show? Here you go, here, you go up
showing you right here. My kids, here's the perfect thing.
My kids are, you know now they're seventeen and eighteen,

(41:22):
about seventeen and nineteen and during high school. One of
them still in high school and the other one to
just graduating. But you know, they literally got a video
where it just shows my son, so it looks like
he's working the whole time. He does like a one
hour deal where he just on a loop and it's
just a loop. So the teachers see him doing a

(41:43):
whole loop. He's looking, he's looking at the screen, and
for one hour, this kid does the whole thing. And
then I'm like sitting on I'm walking in the room.
I'm like, what do you I said, how are you
on the screen in class? In class? And you're on
your bed your phone. How is this possible? It looks
like you're on the screen on the phone. I'm walking

(42:04):
in the room like, hey, what's up, dude. He's like, Hey,
he's laying on his bed and and and and the
screens moving and his face is on there and his
whole class is talking. I'm listening to his teacher talking.
I'm going, how the hell are you on the screen.
And he's like, Oh, it's a new app, dude. It
just we just you know, app out. But you know what, Yeah,
I really would have needed that app to help me

(42:24):
pull some some metric tags because that was the this
this audit was so interesting to me because the way
that it works is they already have numbers. They show
up with a big list and and they basically just
start going through that list and you have to provide
the entire chain of custody for that list to show
that you did the compliant transaction. So, I mean, the
one lapse that we had was filing systems, because like,

(42:44):
like we had digitized most of this stuff so we
could look it up and knew it existed, but like
actually finding the tags was really like and the guy
just sits there like just like you said, like the
app He's just sitting there staring at you. And you
come back and you're like, I need to check this file.
He's like, We'll take as much time as you need.
I'm not going anywhere. Really, yeah, do you Yeah, I'm
on the state exactly. I'll get paid over time. Go ahead,

(43:05):
and I'll wait big from So, so how does that
end up? I mean, I mean, obviously you guys passed
it right downtown they shut So ultimately Low was acquired.
So now we we passed the audit and we were
successfully acquired, and and Low Low Low was acquired by
Indus Holdings, and that's what became Farms Indus Holdings. Indus. Yeah,
they're they're up in Salinas and so and so and so.

(43:28):
Is that something that's behind him that's involved with them
as well or was it just another company They just said, hey,
come on, we'll take you as and call a day. So,
so again this is a little speculative, but I I know,
I'm pretty confident about this information. So originally I believe
that they were white labeling and co packing island, and
and they they had this ambition to have their own

(43:48):
brand so that they could vertically integrate the production. Low
at the time was kind of a weak player in
the space because our ability to sell farm was fairly limited.
So so what what happened is is there is a
great opportunity for an M and A and eventually it
was determined that just a buyout acquisition was in a
better interest and then change the name, change the name. Yeah,
that would you buyout and change the name? I mean

(44:10):
that makes no sense. I mean it almost feels like
they did. Why would you just start your your new,
your new process, like the new the new brand, and
keep with a name that's already has a name. If
you're a buy low right and you want low, yeah,
you don't change the name. Good name. I thought it
had a good name. No, Low Farms is still an
okay name. They just went from Low Herb Company to

(44:30):
Lower Farms. They're no longer Indus, you know, like the
Low Herb. Yeah, so we were called Low Herb Company.
That was the If you look at the packaging, it
says a little LHC. If you look at indus became
Lower Farms and the idea was correct, Yeah, the idea farm. Yeah,
I'm sorry, I know. Yeah, I thought they dumped the

(44:50):
name you're talking to alphabet Google right now. Correct. Yeah,
they just made it more like opportunistic for what they
actually do. You know, herb is not an appropriate word
for what they're trying to describe. However, farm farm is
and I appreciate the change. You know, like lower farms
is great. Is it the same leadership there with the
same guys leading that you text and say, hey we've

(45:11):
just seen the batmobile over here and all this other stuff? Oh? No,
every everybody, everybody had changed chance myself included like like
into spot I P and and they had a very
talented team that was capable of making similar products and
and and similar platforms and move out the way, let's go,
move out the way, Let's go. And how are they
performing today in your opinion? Uh, you're welcome to look
at their stock price. I I don't talk negatively about

(45:32):
people that I have worked with in the past, that
they do the things that they do. I would have
done some things differently, but I'm confident that they'll move
forward and hopefully be better than they are now. I
love your approach and that's a great and not only
that it's very respectful, but it's an honest, But I
feel the same way to like about certain things unless
somebody that's how I rock period exactly, Like that's how
we would expect that's what we expect to like, you know,

(45:55):
I mean, like what you say, you expect casts to
be like that. Look, man, we've made money there, we
did a thing or something went wrong in the South.
It didn't make my words together walk to the what's up?
I'm still friends with the O G S. I mean,
like the war stories were worth maintaining the friendships, you know,
Like I don't believe in burning bridges. You know, you
learn from these things, you don't. You don't throw people

(46:15):
under the bus. You don't. You don't stop working with them.
You just acknowledge that maybe you need to be a
little bit more cautious in the future, or maybe stay away,
like if in your own self interest. But but again,
like I evolved in this space because of that opportunity
in a way that I will always owe those people for,
you know, like I I learned financial acuity from the CFO.
You know, the CEO is still one of the people

(46:37):
that I respects, And all of those guys are mentors.
To do with the tattoos and lake Forest that you
went to jail for. You know, May he rest in peace,
you know, now he passed on this unfortunately. Yeah, no,
I out of honor to him, I tell his story.
He was the first forty five cap in Orange County.
You know, like, like not everyone has a colored past.

(46:58):
It's it's it's about rehabilitation, and he was just trying
to make a life for his family. Well oh yeah,
I mean, I mean that being said, we didn't say
anything about his past, but that guy had a rough start,
right he did. You know, like like a lot of
the people that work in this industry worked in this
industry as a result of committing a crime, getting in trouble.
You know, it was an opportunity to make money even
if you've gotten in trouble. So so so again, I

(47:20):
always try to look at people with the most positive light,
and I have nothing but respect for him. But yeah,
I I think it was one of those things where
no matter how he had kind of aligned himself, it
was ultimately going to fail because unfortunately, just like you
guys said, there's not a lot of room in this
industry for for darkness. You know, we we we need
to lead with the light and I that that's what

(47:42):
I learned from him. You know, I learned college, sure,
I learned stoner is an interesting term, not necessarily negative.
But I'm a businessman first. You know, I'm very passionate.
I'm an entrepreneur, you know, like I don't consider myself
a loady. Like my mom always goes through the list
of terms that she used to have, yeah, you know,
like all those like eighties nineties terms for like like
funny duddies that that were smoking the earth, and I

(48:07):
I look at her and I'm like, Mom, you're nothing
but proud of me. She's like, yeah, but I still
like living, living, talking, talking, drive, you know. So it's
it's really she does. That's awesome. So listen to I mean,
I mean, I love your story. Anything that we're missing
here before we let you get on out of here,
I mean that we didn't cover that you want to cover,
I don't think so. I think we got everything. I mean,

(48:29):
I've always had great opportunities to work at places, just
seeing the interesting things that happened behind the scenes. Always interesting.
One of the things that Lowe did really amazing and
I will never forget is stay threw a bitch and party,
like when we used to have bud tender parties that like,
those are some great parties. That's always the best part, right,
Like we do great parties too in my book, like
we host and we present great events where we care.

(48:52):
We want to make sure you have a good time
and all the good things that happened. And I agree
with you, those are some memorable moments. We like to
do that for people as well, especially you guys. Yeah, no,
I've I've been to a play her as his events
and like just wow, you know, you guys know how
to entertain. You guys know to make people. Everyone feel
like they're a v I P. They're great. You wore
a v I P M before we do let you go.
We do want to do that at V I P
High five with Adam Moody, the director of manufacturing at

(49:14):
Alchemy twenty nine. Now, how old are you the first
time you smoked cannabis and where did you get it from?
Adam sixteen? My mom's My mom had a catering gig
at five am, and I wanted the neighbor kids to
drive me home, so she knocked on their door while
they were hot boxing and asked him if if they
would take me to school. She she didn't identify that
they were smoking, so they just nerdy. At the first day,
I was in chess club at the time, academic to cathlon,

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so so they said they get me a hot box
El Camino. I fell asleep in first period of English.
Miss Reynolds will remember this story. Yeah, no, literally passed
the thought you were dead. So let me ask you
this being in chess club. Did you love the Queen's Gamut?
Did I love the Queen's Big Gamut? I love everything
on Netflix. It puts me to sleep. It's it's like
a lula But The Queen's Gamut and Chess is just

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one of those shows that I never would think that
in my wildest dreams, I would say, oh my god,
this movie. What's it about. It's about a girl who
plays chess, and I loved it. I really makes you go,
oh my god, this is amazing, such a good story.
It wasn't that final chess battle like it was really compelling.
I really did enjoy it. There was because it was
a little short, you know, like you got through it
really quick for a Netflix show, you know, like like

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I kind of like something that I can binge watch
for a few days, not like a day, but otherwise.
Have you hit up Emily in Parishut? I have not yet.
I'm gonna have to check it out. Check that out.
Go ahead and check that out. Question number two Blue,
Question number two of the High five. What is your
favorite way to use or smoke cannabis. I'm a dabber
solving list like I I my my, I will try

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other people's product out of respect, but generally speaking, out
of the last eighteen years I've been in cannabis, of
what I've ingested, I've made, you've made or grown? Yep.
I I like, like I said, I believe in providence.
I believe in knowing what I put it into my body.
So I've I've had a role or contributed or otherwise
made everything that I've smoked over the last eighteen years.

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I love that you don't want you know exactly what
you're putting in your body. I mean, let's keep it
one hunter, like will you come out side? Didn't you? Yeah,
like I said, But again we got that from We
got that from Adam, you know, like like he said,
try it like whatever you have, but we know we know.
But again I I do like the idea of it,
you know, for for many years. So I could very

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much understand you because I was involved in it, you
know what I mean. Like you're like you literally walk
out the house and be like, I'm smoking this one.
Like you might have five different brands that you're rocking with.
You like, this is my my stride you know today,
and you start taking that and you're living off of
that one without harvest and you kind of just know
what your baby is and you start rocking with it.

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You know what. You've got to talk to Amy about this,
but she'll tell you when I got When I go
to the Cannabis Cup to go meet vendors and talk shop,
I usually pull out of my pocket and give them
something to smoke. Very rare, very rarely do I sample
at the table, but I will often pull something out
that they say it doesn't exists, And I have you
tried a solvent list turpin sauce and they're like, that
doesn't exist. Like here you go, I made it myself,

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like you said, I made it this morning. I don't
know if you know, but I'm the manufacturing director over here.
Oh yeah, what I didn't charge of prototyping, so I
make things that we never sell. So I trust me,
there's there's a punch of things that still haven't been made.
Question number three in the High Pi with Adam Moody,
Craziest place you ever used cannabis or smoke The Great
Wall of a country that I don't want to name,

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but the Great Wall of it was a place. It
had seeds in it. I remember, like again, I was
a really stubborn at a piece stubborn kid, so so
no it was. It was an apple and it was
during a music festival. Paul Oakenfell was performing at a
electronic music festival on the Great Wall of China called

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the Yen on the Great Wall. And I remember it
was my birthday gift because I saw I was in
China for ten weeks that overlapped my birthday, and the
other English people in the group bought me this ticket
to this event. And I remember I literally bought dirt
weed from an African in China and I brought it
with me to the Great Wall of China and on
a rainy morning, was sitting in a tower, chiefed it up. Dude.

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Let me ask you this fun, Let me ask you
this um you know China, Dude, ten weeks in China.
I mean, you know, I was surprised you came back. Bro,
I can't wait to go back, like you almost didn't leave. Huh.
It was hard, you know, like Americans are like celebrities
are right, celebrities, they take your picture, they hand you
like kids. So what I was doing to sustained my

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lifestyle China is I was I was teaching English to
so wealthy families to get rid of the accents, because
English is compulsory in China, but they don't they learn
it from Chinese speakers. So the wealthy people in China
that plan on having their their kids like do international business,
they'll have US Americans actually take them for a day
and just teach them vernacular English. So they'd like pay

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for me to go to the park theme parks like
Laser Tax just talk to him all that and I
made I made us wages in China. I remember I
had an internship for a company that represented Johnny Walker
and Audie and halfway through the internship, I was like,
I'm making four times it's as much money, and I
worked a quarter of the time. Like I love you guys.
I'll do some events, I'll do some translating, but I'm out.
You know. I had a little like a six or

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seven year old kid that like barely even talked, but
he would like pointed animals and he handa and you'd
be like panda, you know, just panda, and uh, that's
great if you if you made me too, yeah, absolutely.
Question number four of the high five. What is your

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go to munchies after you get high? Anything fried? Hot
and fried. It's always fried, you know, Like I'll find
myself like literally do the eggs salad sandwich when I
give myself really high? Yeah? Just just what do you?
Just regular? Right? Just just just mayonnaise, egg and then
and some salt. A lot of people don't do the manais,
So I do mayonnaise on it all. I'm a man.

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I do with manonnaise. I know a lot of I've
read it. A lot of people don't. I'm just saying
I know a lot, but I don't know. I don't
know how they do it either. A lot of people
don't buy mayonnaise. I would you put it in there
on egg salad salads? I hate to hand with too
many people, healthy people in Orange County. You know what
I'm saying. No, No, Yeah, it's a Hispanic thing for me.
What I'm saying, I'm like, why I had mayonnaise too?

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I think, like, you know, I don't know macaroni salad
for me, macaroni salad is just mayonnaise in the thing,
and started adding all action. I mean, just go start
with some mail. Question number five, Question number five of
the high five you can smoke cannabis with anyone did
or alive. Who would it be and why? I don't know,
probably Winston Churchill. I want to hear the stories, you know,

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like I remember, like growing up, my favorite people that
talked to you were like the guys that like like
like really fought these like big massive battles. Like I
wouldn't want to smoke with a stoner because like I've
smoked with some impressive stoners. But I really want is
I really want to get a guy high that never
in a million years would smoke and hear the fascinating
things that came out of his about you know, so true? Right,

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What is you gonna say? What kind of story? Yeah, like,
like you remember the first time you got high. Imagine
doing that to the Prime Minister during World War too,
you know, like he'd be like the cactus told me
not to tell you about the peace treaty, you know,
like it would be something cool, it would be it
would be that's a good one. That's an interesting one.
I think we have somebody else say that before, though.

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Is there anything we missed so I know blues at
you that anything at him that you want to get
out there before we let you go. Now, last thing,
I'm pretty famous in Lake County. Apparently there's a small
horse farm and you're not supposed to feed the bird seed.
And I learned that the really hard way. So so
if you ever come to Lake County, I'll show you
the farm that I'm no longer allowed to harass the
small horses on look up at a Moody out there.
Appreciate you. Hey man, it's Cannabis Talk one on one,

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