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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue,
Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers
at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. Hello,
welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one. My name's Blue,
alongside of the world famous Pot Brothers at Law Market
Craig Wasserman and Mr Joe Grande. Hello, we are the

(00:25):
number one source for everything cannabis. Guys. Check this out.
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October ninth and tenth. It's going down. Viscus Baps is
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and Bud manst for twenty expressions. Man, it's going down
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(01:10):
Craig Washerman. He really likes hearing what you guys have
to say about him. He does as he goes, especially
how Joe treats me exactly. If you want to comment
on how I treat my big brother over there, feel
free to call us up, because I'm the feisty little
brother that doesn't take the big abuse from the big
brother that he always picks on me. What's that number

(01:31):
in Spanish? But oto zetto zetto zetto zetto is my
brother right there, and that's why I love him, and
and and in Hebrew shy f is rbs schmoney is
and that again in English is one. Guys, make sure

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you check us out on our website at Cannabis Talk
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Dog Blue is that one Christopher Rice and I am
at Joe Grande A fifty two. And today, you guys,
is a very special Viscus dot Life day. Why because

(02:15):
Viscus is in the building. Yes, and we have all
this wonderful product around here. Chris and Elliott Lewis the
CEO and founders of Viscus Vape. You can check them
out online at Viscus dot life, are on Instagram at
Viscus Underscore Vape and as we have you guys here,
Chris and Elliott, thank you guys all for coming on.
Is this your dad, Elliott? Is this is this the deal? No? No,

(02:39):
he is. Okay, you guys are brothers from now I
didn't know for sure for some reason. With the same
last name. Yeah, same last name, he same dad, different mom. Really,
same dad, different mom. Where you guys are kidding me? Wow,
that's awesome. Years older than him. What a fucking game?
And you can't you could be his dad? Twenty one difference.

(03:00):
I'm sure you guys get it all the time. Then
I only asked what that's done? That? Yeah, true, I
hit puberty a little late, but I think it could
have happened. Yeah, there's a lot of socks that had
your kid. That's good. So you guys are brothers from
another mother. That's a phenomenal. I love that. So tell
us walk us through the Viscus family brand how does

(03:20):
it come together. Is it the young stoner that educates
the old stoner twenty one year's difference, or was it
the o G stoner going look here a little kid.
I remember when tell us the story, Chris, of how
you convinced your little brother to help kick you in
the ass and get your career started at an older age.
That's actually not far from the truth. That's actually not

(03:44):
far from the truth, honestly. Yeah, Like I mean, frankly,
I was just looking to get some cheap weed from
my friends and myself at thirty eight years old or so,
um uh in New York and I called hell yet
up and He's like, yeah, I'll see what I can do.
So just very quickly it became clear that I was
going to be a business for us, and we started

(04:04):
to look around for things to do. And then Elliott
living in venice Um, you know, living the California dream basically,
and we started talking and you know, Elliott started to
educate me on what was going on in the world,
and we started to try to figure out how to
get into the business in a real way, like in
a legacy way, so we're not it's not some fly

(04:26):
by night thing. We're not hustlers or whatever. We're trying
to make this a real legitimate to make sure you
use that. You use that term right, You're you're not
a legacy Yeah, well I don't mean the legacy market.
I mean we want to have a legacy Brandy. See
there goes Craig the lawyers there, way to go, Craig.
Let him know, man. So so listen, I mean real quick, guys.

(04:49):
I mean one, obviously, you guys, you know, work with
the show, and we thank you for that. But but truthfully,
before we ever you know, decided to actually work with brands,
they've got to have their ship together. And you guys
clearly you um, you know your guys this product first.
The first thing that stands out to me before the
actual vepes because I'm a user of the vepes. I
take them home and use them all the time. And um,

(05:11):
but I'll tell you that the branding, the color, the
vibe that you guys have, it's very you know, like
surfer delicious to you know what I mean. And and
it just looks delicious. It looks delicious, but it's got
that vibe to it, you guys, And and and so
a lot of times I have conversations with people in
their packaging and I'm like, look, dude, like, you know,
it just kind of looks a little bit you know,

(05:31):
outdated or whatever. You just guys got a really good point.
So who who came up with the packaging design? And
where does that credit go to? A lot of people,
I think graphic designers, both of us. A lot of
trial and error, a lot of trial and error. Where
the name comes from, Well that's a funny story. Actually,
I had to look up the name because I was yeah, yeah,

(05:52):
I was like, what does fuscus mean? You know, and
it's like a sticky thick substance or something like that.
Literally the measurement of how thick or thin liquid is
is yeah. Well, so I mean we were high. Yeah, yeah,
and it was kind of like, uh, we want to

(06:15):
get into the you know, this is when we decided
we wanted to get into the vague business and build
a brand because oil was still getting was just had
gotten light. People just got good at making it, and
we wanted to be in that side of the business.
And Elliott was like, you know, something about gooey, something
like you know, something sticky thick, you know, thick and

(06:38):
tasty and then to be honest, I might I don't
know who actually came up with the word. I think
it was Elliott, not sure, I don't remember either. Um,
are you guys high right now? Yeah? Is this the
name of the company? Remember I was at that session.
It was me who came up. I approved all the yes.

(07:01):
You know, you know what's funny as that? Just let
me get my beak wet on that name. You know
what I mean. I just want to make sure I
get my beak wet on that Sorry, we got his
royalty set up, We got you. So what what is
this brand about? As far as you know, you guys
come up with such a great look. You guys are
giving credit to everybody else. It looks like it sounds
like it's a big team effort. It's not just Elliott
coming in there saying, hey, big brother, let me tell

(07:23):
you exactly what we need to do. As you guys
are passing out uh props to even people and not
even giving yourself, it's it seems like there's a nice
organization going on over there at Biscus. Talk about that
brand and the culture there that I'm hearing without you
guys even talk about and please describe it a little
better because you guys are already describing it without describing it. Um. Yeah, no,

(07:46):
you know, every time there's a new product and new anything,
there's the warehouse managers, warehouse workers, everybody's in there trying
different things, trying to see what works because sample set
it two doesn't doesn't get you the right thing, you know. So,
and we can't afford focus groups yet, right, So it's
just a team there. It's not just the Lewis brothers

(08:07):
that are banging it all out. Coin let me try this.
You try that. I like it for the for the
real life of focus groups, is what you got? Yeah,
that's that's right actually, and we um so we have
a graphic designer that we're pretty connected to back in
New York. Um. We work with him a lot designing
different brands. He came up with the three color logo.

(08:28):
We used to be not that it was just you know,
monotone from UM and uh yeah, and we do we
sort of, Um, you know, when decisions have to get made,
Elliott and I will sit down and you know, of
course decisions of course. Um. But when it comes to
like developing product and figuring out what what Turplein's we're
gonna use and how we're gonna formulate. I mean we

(08:50):
we really are led by a committee. We try to
include everybody in our in our universe and our you know,
immediate company. To have a voice. Yeah, to have a voice.
It's funny say that because Joe, Joe is big on,
you know, talking to the team a lot, and and
he's like, listen, like you know, have a voice in here,
like you know, because if you if you're voiceless, you're
almost worthless, you know. And it's like some people are

(09:12):
afraid to step up and talk about their company. And
because that because Joe yells at him, yell at you.
It's a bad idea, But I still want to hear
it's a bad idea. I still want to hear it.
At least I want to see you trying to think plea, no, no,
we don't yell asshole, Craig. You you do break yourself

(09:32):
a steam Craig. Every time they come around, you know,
you know, no Breig walks by, he doesn't say hi
to you. For the longest time, he was also, who's
that black guy in the corner? And I go, dude,
that's pit over there. What do you mean, he's not forever.
It's not true, Joe, don't slander me. I don't know.
How long did it take you guys to go from
the idea of all this to getting fully licensed and

(09:55):
able to start operating. That's a five years yeah, we
we um, yeah, we were. Yeah. It took us about
five years from the moment we decided we want to
be in the vague business to this moment now. I
mean we've been licensed for a little under a year,
but um, it took us every bit of four years

(10:16):
to get there, just developing products, doing R and E stuff, trying. Yeah,
and what type of license do you hold? We have
a manufacturing and distribution licenses in glend and you're and
you're talking to five years was from literally, which which
what impresses me is literally five years ago you sat around,
got high and said, hey, let's do this. Yeah, that

(10:38):
was it. There was that was I mean, we've got
a lot of brands in the industry. A lot of
the brands have been around for a long time. So
to take a head run at going from zero to
where you are now is just a lot of props.
That's a lot of hard work. What do you think
of all the taxes, regulations and compliance requirements that you've
got to deal with? Hold that thought. Let's come back

(10:59):
right after this break, guys, and want answer that question
is at Cannabis Talk one on one. Welcome back to
Cannabis Talk one on one with Blue Joe Grande and
the Pot brothers at law marking Craig Washingman. Now, Mark,
you had a question for Chris here, and if you

(11:20):
could just kind of real rebuttle that question, I just
wanted to. I wanted your opinion on what you think
about all of the taxes, regulations and compliance requirements. So
should I say over regulations? Um? Do you want me
to take this one? I think that it is horrible. Frankly,

(11:42):
in a word, I think that the ridiculous taxes on
the consumer from every aspect is terrible. It's bad for
poor people, it's bad for um, for the business people
like us. I mean, it's just managing and tracking the
taxes in and of itself as a nightmare, nightmare, nightmare.
Let alone the other stuff. And then and then metric, Yeah,

(12:04):
and metric is a joke. And now you gotta have
you gotta pay a thousand dollars a month just to
write to their API. It's a joke. And then um,
in addition to that, UH, it just keeps the black
market robust, which is our biggest competitor. It keeps, you know,
because the quality is the same. You can go down
the street to your old plug and buy an eighth
for twenty five bucks. You're gonna pay seventy dollars for

(12:25):
it after taxes if it's high end in a dispensary.
So it doesn't give the consumer much choice. And you know,
all the law enforcement in the world isn't going to
stop the people going after that dollar. So it's um, yeah,
in a word, horrible and everything else. I mean hopefully hopefully,
I I doubt it's gonna happen. In two. We do

(12:45):
know of a group that is UH had a task
force assigned to amend a sixty four to First of all,
to get rid of the fifteen percent exercise tax, to
make it a blanket I believe five percent tax that
is actually ship aired with the cities so there's no
extra city tax. And to basically take away local control

(13:07):
as far as whether you can ban it or not
where where you want it zoned is one thing, but
banning it completely, because that's another impediment right now to
the entire legal industry is that we still have less
than a third of the cities in the state of
California allow cannabis activity period. I mean it's growing, we
are getting more, but it's still overregulated. And for the

(13:29):
little guy, um, who was doing it for thirty years,
to try to break into this business now is is unfortunately,
very very difficult. May just whole things gotta change to
get rid of the illicit market, and they won't listen
to us. No, they won't listen to which I don't
know if that's why there's got to be an initiative,
and hopefully that initiative comes forward and we can all

(13:51):
get behind it. And actually, I mean it sucks. I know,
the margins in in in legal cannabis businesses. When from
old school fifty times to new school one and a
half times, I mean the margins shrunk, you know, considerably
because of the regulations, at taxes, the startup, the overhead,

(14:13):
the you know labs you've gotta build in order to extract,
which I think you're overly done, um. But in any case,
that all needs to change, and the only way it
appears it's going to change is with another initiative that
has to have more votes than sixty four in order
to overturn certain provisions, not the whole thing, but certain

(14:35):
provisions that will open up the legal market. Well, god willing,
everything happens that you're saying, Craig. But with Viscus dot Life,
you can check them out on Instagram at Viscus Underscore Vapor.
Your guys, this product in hardware seems to be second
and none when I see it and I look at
it and I taste it at night before I go
to bed. Talk about the time that you guys have
put into looking and researching and finding out your bottom

(14:58):
line of this is what we're using. How did you
get to that quality control? Yeah, where did you guys
go and what type of time did you put into it?
Because your product and hardware is very, very nice. Well,
we wanted to get pretty far away from I won't
name them by name, but the hardware that was the
king for quite a while. Um, you know, the first

(15:19):
ceramic Corps, and we went through a couple of different
brands actually down the street, down the street, they're everywhere.
They were the best for a while. And now they're
nothing special and overpriced and you still get leaks. And
now our new hardware with a v D there they're great.

(15:43):
Same ceramic corps, no leaks, easy press, no one's getting
in there messing with your oil. It's uh yeah there
there our favorite Sames Steel Construction, great airflow like it
just yeah, that's why we went with them. And their
customization is just fantastic. How how's the custom service and
everything else? Pretty good? Yeah, that's I mean, they're in

(16:04):
a commoditized world, right basically. I mean they're very good
at what they do, but it's still a commoditized world.
And their customer services and is second to none. They're
the the best. They work with us, They work with
all their customers a lot. I mean in terms of
even offer like financing, nobody does that. Sure, that's even better.
So talk about the different flavors and products. You guys

(16:25):
have the Indicas that the Sativa's. What exactly do you
have in a new black box? What's going on around here?
What exactly do you get from discus Elliott's. I see
the big smile and you're probably sucking on a pin
and your eyes are nice and glossy, so always exactly
you're talking about this black box or the smaller one.
I don't know. Somebody mentioned a black box earlier. Joe

(16:50):
started with the big one and then go to the
little one. This is our our new display case. We've
been waiting for these for a little bit and they're
here and we're pretty happy with them. I like them
and different flavors. Talk about the different flavors and how
you guys came up with them. Sure, UM, So we
have three categories Indicausativa, hybrid obviously UM, and we try
to We try to match our flavors as best we

(17:14):
can with UM. The strange that we like that we
try we try to. I mean it's not possible yet
in the vape world, but we try to match UM,
you know, real cannabis flavor and taste and feeling when
you're smoking it. So with that, we you know, like
we're we're all black ice. I think we black ices
are is our in one of our indicas. It's everybody

(17:36):
loves it. It's our favorite. UM. I don't remember who
one of our guys I think smoked a black ice.
This is probably a year and a half ago when
we were messing around with this stuff smokes and black ice,
and it was like, we need to get this yeah yeah, yeah,
so um uh. And then so because I like the
name two Black Guys, it just sounds good, like it

(17:58):
sounds like, oh h, that's gonna gonna yeah. I mean
that's the other thing, like, we don't we don't cut
our product. It's it's our typene blends and and th
HC and CBD distill it and that's it. Um. So
we try to keep it as potent as we possibly can. Um.
And we're trying to get more minor cannabinoids in our cards.

(18:19):
They're not for this current but in the future, um
because everybody's trying to recreate like a dab or a
bowl in a vape, and we like that. I think
we believe in that ourselves. Um So, ultimately down the road,
our formulations might have the th HC delta UM nine
in there. We might bring that down to like seventy

(18:40):
two or seventy three, so we can add a ton
of minors CBN, CBG, th h C, v UH and
other and other carnabinoids to give more of an entourage
feel to the product. Nice. Now, what kind of what
typeans are you guys using and are you formulating yourself?
Are you working with the companies? Um? Uh, we work

(19:01):
with a company called Tirpeene Botanicals. Um. They formulate some
things for us a lot. They probably they formulate eight
out of our twelve skews. Um. But it's also to
our design. So we're working together all the time. UM.
And yeah, they're I highly recommend those guys. I mean,
I'm I'm reluctant to bring them up because I don't
want our competitors to go buy tirt from them, bleep

(19:22):
that out. Um. But having said that, they're you know,
they're the best around. They really are there by far
the best, the best price, best quality. Everything's organically grown.
Um uh. Now we're doing you know, cannabis derived We're
working on cannabis derived turp lens with them. You know
a lot of a lot of people don't know that
that the tirpeenes. You know, it's such a huge deal

(19:45):
when coming to you know, putting it in the product,
because if your tirpeanes aren't right, that you're not gonna
get the right flight because there's a lot of you know, um,
science to the typeenes. And I am I mistaken for
saying that, No, no, you're not what tell me about
you know anything about them at all? Uh, A little bit.
But there's a lot smarter people, you know, a lot
more than me. But you know, as I understand it,

(20:08):
the tyrpenes, they sort of affect the way you're cannabinoid
receptors accept the the th HC and all the other
cannib annoids in there. Um, and that's what gives you
a little bit of a different feel even with a
vape card. Yeah, yeah, I think I think there's a
lot of science to that. And like I said, there
are a lot of smarter people on this you know,
than than you and I. But you know, I've heard

(20:29):
a lot about tirpines and the discoveries of what's happening
right now, and a lot of people are saying, look,
if you've got the right typeines with the right you
know um, you know th HC, it's just gonna give
you this different, you know high, like you're gonna really
enjoy your high. And it could help for certain elements.
It could give you, you know, less stress, or it
could help you achieve you know, less pain. And a
lot of people, you know, uh that that don't look

(20:52):
into that and or has the wrong tirrpeine. Company can
often find that, you know, their their products aren't working
as well because the tirpines and they don't even know it.
You know, it's it's true. That's true, actually for sure,
in terms of where you're sourcing your turpenes and making
sure that they're proper. I mean, most people don't know enough.
They'll hand him a bottle of whatever and say, hey,
this is piney and they won't know that even means right, um,

(21:15):
and then yeah, and Elliott's correct as far as I
understand as well, Like the entourage of all of those
molecules is really important and you need. As far as
we understand, the real delineation between indicates the teva and
hybrid is from the turp profile for the most part.
Some of its cannabinoid as well, but it's mostly from
the turp from the profile. Right, So like sour diesel,

(21:38):
for example, which we have that because I'm from New York,
I love so D is one of my favorite ever, ever, ever, ever,
every one of my favorites kem dog and sour d
kems great. So that's a good idea, Yeah, I would
laugh from the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those were I mean,
growing up, you know, sour d was just one of
my absolute favorites. And uh and Kem Dog you know Widow.

(22:01):
Yeah yeah, talking about Craig that way, I just wanted
to wake him up. Sorry, Greig, I welcome back to
the show. Greg, Come on, Joe, I just wanted to
make sure you're still listening. Well, listen up, guys. We'm
always listening, are you are you? What are we about
to do right now? I mean we're gonna take a

(22:23):
break when we come back. Guys, it's the High five
right here with disc is Faith. Guys, its Cannabis Talk
one on one. Take a hit, get lit, and sit
back and enjoy Cannabis Talk one on one with Mark
and Craig and Pop Brothers, that Law Blue and Joe

(22:44):
Grande and I want to stop for a moment and
give a very big special thanks to Erica, Daniel cal
Greas Pitt, Chris Frantino, Jennifer and Elvis for helping us
put this show together day in and day out, and
making Joe Grande sound much much better than he really is.
But now is my favorite time of the show. Guys.

(23:06):
We got Chris and Elliott here CEO and founders of
Viscus Vape. Time for the High five, Joe taken away. Well,
before we go to the high five, Mark, you're such
a great advocate of the STF. You And before we
went to break or we may have been in break
and Chris was over there saying, I got your card
right there in my dashboard. So if he has your

(23:26):
card in the dashboard, Chris, I would imagine you should
know the script. Being a New York boy and being
a brother from the Shalome School of Shalom, a member
of the tribe. Mark, I say you test Chris and
see if he knows the script as he is the

(23:47):
co founder of Viscus vat right, you know, and younger brother, Yeah,
the script challenge and see if it's twenty one year
younger brother Elliott's is a young whipperson. Now Bird can
even help him out. But give him the challenge right now, Mark, alright,
So the script Challenge, as you might know, we do

(24:07):
every Friday at noon Pacific Standard time on the Pop
Brothers at Law Instagram Live. I am the cop. You're
you driving around and I'm gonna come pull you over.
And when I pull you over. What is the first
thing you say after I say hey, what's that smell
in your car? I say, go fund yourself? Now I'm kidding.

(24:29):
That's another show. Yeah yeah, why did you pull me over?
Because you were speeding going way too fast? Now you
would tell me you look like a drug or other
drugs in your car? Um, Wait a second, what do
I say? I say? Are I detained? Or or am
I free? To go? Wrong? Wait? Wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on, hold on

(24:50):
a second, I'm not got it right then? Yeah, hold on,
they got a team here, let's go. Then the cops says,
I don't want to know about your day. I want
to know where the drugs are? Where are they? Where
the drugs my being detained? Or am I or my freedom?

(25:11):
I under arrest? Who are being detained? Tell me where
the drugs are? Fifth? Because you have to say it,
because you have to say it. Yeah, I plead the fifth,
and I'm then going to shut the funk up. WHOA
that would be a winner on the script challenge. Yes,

(25:32):
even you pull that out of the gutter. That such
a good team you do. Technically you have to invoke
the fifth, pleading it is actually what you do when
you're in court and file it in pay on your paperwork,
on what's called pleading papers you are invoking. Do you
have to be that specific when you say it? Do

(25:52):
you have to say I invoke the fifth because that's
that I wouldn't have thought to do. Actually, yes, yes,
the Supreme Court said, Supreme Court. Just or you just
say I'm not discussing with there, I'm not right. That
covers it all the day. You just shut the funk up. Yeah,
So it shows you though that as much as as

(26:14):
much as you know the script or think you know
the script, or have the card or have the sticker,
as much as you think you do, just imagine a
cop coming up to you and you're trying to remember
it so you can get around from this right right,
right now, we do it. That's a good example. It
is someone who knows it, you know, so that you
really people out there listening, you know, as a little

(26:36):
diversion here, but just you gotta practice it every day,
or or go to peeball merch dot com and get
your sticker right there for your dashboard. Let him know
peball merch dot com. Yeah, bye bye, you know, I'll
send you. A lot of them get a few dontay,
and then they're shipping an Now it's sorry for the five.

(27:00):
We're gonna ask you guys five questions. We're gonna start
with you, Chris and Elliott. You'll answer the same exact
question in that order. So Chris, you'll be the lovely
ones starting to saw off as you're the older brother
with the more experience. Well, I don't know, he looks
like a little younger. I don't know, close twenty one
year difference. I love that story, brother, literally from another mother.

(27:22):
Question number five, excuse me a question number one of
the high five. Hello, welcome, how aldre you the first
time you guys smoked cannabis? And where'd you get it from? Chris?
I was fifteen in tenth grade and my New York,
right New York. My buddy had stolen some weed from

(27:43):
his parents and we smoked together. Yeah, out in the
back of the high school. Wow. Yeah, it was very illegal.
Then two back all the way illegal. It was the
same as Hero I'm sorry, Yeah, the same. That's right
when I smoked it, it was and he's forty five
years ago. Yeah, crazy to think that's the case. What

(28:04):
about Elliott. I think I was in between six and
seventh grade, probably thirteen, behind the shed with our other
brother and uh a neighbor friend out of a diet
coke camp. Oh classy, probably still got a luminum in there.

(28:26):
I'm that mad at you. Mark. All right, that's the
number two. What is your favorite Wait? Oh wait, we
need wait we did we just got both of you. Okay,
Question number two? What's your favorite way to use cannabis?
I'm for this viscus faith. The only way dan bus

(28:47):
is question Live the ride, Live the rod. That turquoise
green one that I smoked at night? What is that one?
Puts me in a bit of real nice and relax?
That's actually yeah. We have four s eva, do you
know which? Do you know which strain you? Uh? Joe,
I just know it has a green tip. I just
take the tip in, just the tip, just the tip, Joe.

(29:10):
Joe doesn't really smoke ever, so for him to actually
night and what if I need to go when him
in pain and my hips are really hurting and backsliding. No,
it's not. That's called medicine. Mark. I don't know why
you're judging that. You're a lawyer. How to judge over there,
which is worried about my friend. Okay, well worry if
we're gonna talk about worried about friends Mark or Craig,

(29:31):
should I bring up the other things that we talked
about about him. It's a whole another show. You know what, Joe,
I think it's awesome that you're taking a few hits
to get your ass old, asked, beat up, hip broken.
Thank you for being a brother that acknowledges my pain
in history. You're not judging me like I'm some type
of fucking because I think you use your pain and
what you know what proven this what this is gonna

(29:52):
show people too. As Joe's mentioned before, I mean he's
chosen not too. He's been sober for twenty how many
three years? And and you know, people never know if
it's a drug that could send you back down the
road or not, or who knows, But we know so
many people where it's that reverse gayway drug to where
this isn't gonna bring you down the road. You know

(30:14):
that's gonna do a couple of bucks. It's not like
I'm gonna be like Mark going to bars every night
and doing like he does in a family at home.
You know what I mean. Wait a minute, let me
take off my judgmental rope over here. You're gonna take
some hits off the I mean, Geez, looks like you're fired.
Sparked me up, asshole, Mark, So let it out. Hey,

(30:36):
at least you know we're brothers like this, right, we're
brothers that we could argue like on the show number
three E. I mean, Chris and I were talking about
a product before Mark intervened over here and started playing
judgmental over there. Question Elliott, what is your favorite way
to use cannabis? Elliott? Well, he already plugged the vape,

(30:59):
So my other favorite way to medicate is our D
eight gummies. Nice to know. So you guys have other
products too, Yeah, for sure? What are the other products?
I don't know how much? How hard is it to
stay on top of fucking Delta eight? And what states
you can? What states? It's nearly not it's nearly impossible,

(31:20):
because things are moving under our feet very quickly. Um.
From a federal perspective, you tell us if this is wrong.
We feel like we have some protection from the from
the farm bill, the two thousand eighteen Farm bill. Um,
But it's moving under our feet like New York was
from what I from what I've read, Well, you're the lawyer. Listen,
if if you were to come into my office and all,
you know, I usually make people pay for this ship.

(31:42):
But if you were to come into my office, I
would say, if you're a licensed cannabis brand, um and
you're and you're also doing Delta eight, I don't know
if that that I would assume that's separate because it's
non cannabis. It's under the Hemp Farm Bill, so it
wouldn't even be part of the cannabis business per se.
But at the moment, correct, so Delta A is is

(32:07):
on the radar of the d e A. It's on
the radar of all the states. The states are falling.
You heard what happened and I don't know if you
were there or not what happened in Vegas. They're gonna
it's gonna more states are gonna put it under I
think some of the newer states are putting it under
the cannabis regulations, which are specifically does not here in California.

(32:29):
But it's you know, I would just pare it down
to the states that you know for sure illegal. You
probably have a you know a huge market here in California,
UM where right now it's still legal in California. They
haven't banned as far as I'm I'm aware, but if
the state bans it, the hemp, the farm bill isn't
gonna bail you out. It's also interesting run a foul.

(32:49):
If you run a foul of the band Okay, gotcha?
Well that's good. I mean, well we're not We're not
in New York or New Jersey or Connecticut anymore because
of that, just for safety reasons. But we do need
to review what's up because it's changing. It's almost weakly
that right, That's why I asked, So you're gonna have
to Yeah, it's really interesting because I mean I know
that UM on October ninth and tenth at the George

(33:10):
Brown Convention Center, UH, the Counterculture Convention in Houston. I
do believe there are Delta eight companies coming out there,
So you know, I and I don't know. And when
I look at Texas something like you know what it
needs and it needs, I would assume for the moment
that Delta eight they have not specifically banded in the state,
otherwise they have throwing that thing they have, but what

(33:32):
it takes. What I recommend you need almost a dedicated person.
If you're doing delta eight and it's in the federal crosshairs, Uh,
it could be um any day now, so you need
to stay up on what states allow it, just allow.
I just did an article have you heard of never
heard of this before? The the th h C O

(33:53):
m P and which is another hemp derived which is awesome.
I think it's gonna be another taster or coportunities so
and there, And the same article was talking about them
jumping from delta eight to th h C l oh
now because from what the thing read, I can't really
believe it. But it could be three, four or five

(34:13):
times stronger than your regular th HC Delta nine. It is,
but it's got to metabolize through your liver, not in
your You can't really smoke it and get so it's
really not good for you. But I mean it is
man made, right, Yes, it's Uh, it's chemically it's chemically
made from chemically extracted well so's we don't know yet.
We don't know yet, Yeah, we don't know yet. From

(34:36):
what I'm hearing and what I read, I wasn't sure
of the science because I'm not a scientist. I don't
know if Joe remembers us or Blue talking about it,
but it's for a fact that it's untested, unregulated, and
people think they have this liver where they can go
sell it. But from what I read, you have to
use acetate and it's that chemical. It's unlike extracting for

(35:00):
may flower of cannabis. You extracted out and you cleanse it.
I mean, it's not the same thing whatsoever. So people
should not I would say as a p s A
stay away from this t c Oh, it's gonna it's
not good. It's a it's a weird process to make
th hdo you have to it isn't ascetate and you
have to crash it with um, you know, petroleum products. Uh.

(35:20):
And it doesn't sound good. It's not that it's not
the best. I'm glad we have someone who actually can
break that down a little bit before it's it's not
the best. And there's also you know, we're actually Delta eight.
We believe in the product, but it's from a legal
and regulatory perspective, it's a little weird, and especially in
California right because we're strated, we're in both of those markets.
But Delta eight edibles can they do hit some people

(35:44):
in a similar way to nine, and um, it's there
in seven eleven. So yeah, it's crazy, you know. So
you can and you can get you know, a hundred milligram,
a hundred milligrams worth of Delta eight for fifteen bucks
with you know nine for sent sales Toux at seven eleven,
or you can go get the same dogs at a
dispensary and pay fifty bucks for a hundred milligrand bag.

(36:07):
Which is everybody gets affected differently. So that's what's funny
about when you say that everybody's body ever did that
for me? Maybe someone who's a new user, I would think,
or maybe even old users. I don't know. But as
an old user, I just I've done CBD and I
think I feel the relaxing effects. I'm all for it,
but I've never gotten like high from it. But I

(36:28):
know people can. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely been. Wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait, we had that one time.
We were we were we were delete laws thing and
we were it wasn't high, no, but we were smoking
on the hemp. I got home and then you might
ask me what's wrong with you? Where do I start?

(36:52):
I can smoke weed all day, but because we were
doing this this shoot, it was like an all day thing.
I didn't want to keep smoking joint after joints, So
we had all these hemp joints and at the end
of the day, I wasn't high, but I was like, yeah,
what would you call that? I wasn't high, but I
was so relaxed. Question I didn't have the past you did?

(37:19):
Question number three, Question number three of the High five
with Viscus vape, it's v I S C O U
S DOT in life on I G. It's at Viscus
Underscore vape. So, guys, question number three, Craziest place you've
ever used or smoked cannabis? I can allegedly, Well, it

(37:45):
could be a long time ago. You know. Okay, we've
done this. You don't even tell. One time, a very
long time ago, before there was an issue with anything.
I smoked a little pot on a plane, nice in
the bathroom. In the bathroom, yes, and the smoke detector
didn't go off. I got super lucky. Yes, I actually
know people have done it. Yeah, that is crazy work.

(38:10):
I don't think they work smoking like like nowadays you
have to grab a biscuits float. You pushed the button, Yes,
exactly right. Hey, you don't say it takes one to
know one right, you hit it like the flush and yeah,
dump all the evidence and then you wash your hand.
You'll bloat on there, you know. I mean, it's a

(38:30):
it's a one hit wonder what about you, l uh if?
If we're sure we don't have legal issues? Allegedly right, alleged?
Was it the same flight you not have been born yet? Yeah?
Probably not. You got both in the stall together. Slide over?

(38:50):
Tight when Mark? When, when Margot was young, maates to
smoke on the plane. Yeah, I was just banging on you.
But I wasn't gonna hit Craig twice. Today, I never
pick on Craig. That's my buddy. True though, Hold on, Craig,
when you were a kid, could they smoke on planes
for reals, dude? I used to get on the plane.
I used to see on the planet the plane was

(39:12):
a smoking sect. Dude. I would be on the plane.
I could literally sit down and you can see the
butts and the that remember that too, Yeah, they had that.
They had that, remember for the longest time before. I
mean you know as planes A four kid, I never
got to fly and tell armrest they had the ash
tray and the arm rests. Yeah, they finally like soldered
shut at some point. Yes, Oh that's a great time.

(39:34):
Go ahead, mark with number four. Number question number four,
the candidates talk one on one high five. What is
your go to munchies after you get high? Captain crunch?
I haven't had Captain said that up and I wait,
wait a minute, didn't I just see that at Costco shut?

(39:58):
I knew that answer was do you like the original
or the fruity but one that they have the fruity
one crunch crunch berries and the crunch berries are good,
But I go, it's funny because I like the crunch berry.
I do, But I always like the original was just
one of the just classic classic and then every once
in a while flip it up with the crunchberry. You know,
I'm saying the crunch berry was. I'm not gonna lie.
Crush berry had some fun, you know, I mean it

(40:19):
gave me some five Elliott Uh, something salty and crunchy.
Probably chips playing Potto chips Uh, cattle cattle cuts got
in the battle brand got some in the back jack.
All right, we'll get high. We're already there, playing question
number five of the High Five with Chris and Elliott Lewis,
the CEO and founders of Viscus Vabe. You can check

(40:41):
them out online at viscus dot life. If you could
smoke cannabis with anyone dead are alive, who would it
be and why? This is a tough question, it really is.
It's just not an easy question. So I was thinking
about this. I would want he's dead now, I would
want to get high with s. Thompson. He's a writer,

(41:01):
baddist from a long time ago, from where I don't
know the name. He wrote his most Yeah, that's his
that's his famous world. He's written a lot. He was
a journalist and um, he was a big He was
certainly a marijuana activist and advocate for sure, but he
was also all drugs. Yeah, all drugs. He was quite
the libertarians, Mark, look at you, I like this is

(41:22):
he a New York guy. I was in his convertible once,
in his uh, in his ranch. Seriously, yeah, when he
was alive alive? Oh no, yeah, the car that was
used in Fear and Loathing, The Johnny Depp drove Normal,
which he was one of the founders and original house. Yeah,

(41:42):
Normal organization. Every year they have a get together up
at his ranch and when they do their normal seminars
and all that kind of stuff. And I went one
year and yeah, you go into the to the to
the ranch and they have a barn where the car
and you're really not supposed to go in there and

(42:03):
take the covering off. But I have some great picture.
Good for you. I'm glad you did that. That's cool.
So yeah, that's my guy. Interesting, Okay, what about you, Elliott.
I was thinking about a couple of names, but I think, um,
maybe because there's a chance he sees this and you
guys can hook me up, I'm gonna go with Willie Nelson.

(42:25):
Now you know he's gonna be on Biscus babesactly right.
He did say that again, Craig, I said, let me
give him a call. I'm as old as he is. Well,
I think he actually got about a few years and
I would ever make fun of your age, Craig. I
love you, Craig the fortunes in the follow up, but
you got to actually follow up to do that. I

(42:47):
don't know what you're talking so viscus that life. What's
locations are you guys in California? Where where can people
find you? Guys? Um? Right now, we're actually we're not
We're literally just restocking our people. We're gonna be at
um at the Green Goddess. Uh. And we're also gonna
be on a where we have a weird strategy. Actually

(43:08):
we think we might only do delivery from now on.
That's gonna go with delivery people and UM, so we
we sort of we're pulling back our strategy a little
bit because just so that's a long story about another thing. Um,
so we are going with um, what the heck is
the name of Artie's delivery service? Already? The one Man
party anyway, there's a South Bay delivery. There's a South

(43:32):
Bay delivery service that we're gonna be with. I'll get
you guys all the info. Yeah, yeah, right there. They
operate at Manhattan Beach. You gotta give me your info.
I've got two LIGHTSNS delivery services. I just opened up
one in West Sacramento, and I opened up another guy
who is we just finalized the application, paid the application
fee for the for the provisional yesterday and he's in

(43:56):
Santa Barbara. Oh that's perfect. I mean that's really where
we're in. Funny of the delivery now, just sprung another
You know, my buddy owns Bud Cars in Northern Country
and they've got like I mean, you know, I don't
know what city, and you know, you know they are Sacramento.
I think it's Scramento, and they're one of the largest
uh operators out there. It's called Bud Cars and my

(44:17):
buddy Clinton and a few other guys that owned that thing.
So uh, as soon as we get off the show here,
we'll link you us up with them. Yeah, that's that's
our strategy. Just covid made it clear that the consumer,
they just want to get it. Bring it to me.
Oh yeah, I was bring it to me. You know,
it's I agree that. You know, my wife is constantly
just delivering and I'm like, why are they who's this

(44:37):
guy front? Oh yeah, that's you know, kus gram or
whatever and bringing us a weed and I'm like, there's
a he's got the bell crow pants. I'm like insulted
that she even got it. She's like, you weren't home
and I didn't have anything. I'm like, okay, we just
said something I gotta away call us. Yeah, it's like,
come on, what happened? So anyways, guys, anything else before

(44:59):
with that, you guys off the show that you guys
want to get out or talk about that we might
have missed. Um. Well, I want to say personally just
that we as a company want to thank you guys
for working with us. It's been awesome so far. Seriously
not blowing smoke. You guys are fantastic UM and we
like being really really like being part of your universe
and it's actually been really important for us. Thank you.

(45:21):
So I wanted to say that UM and also are
Delta eight products. Um, we're really getting good at it,
so keep an eye. Well, I can't wait to try it.
I'm gonna try it tonight when I go check it
out and make sure they make sure, make sure they
don't take it all. I need some of that we
got you covered. Don't work, you know, let me I

(45:42):
need a lot of it. Let me just say one thing.
Let me just say one thing, Joe, just as just
a quick reminder, because you know you're not the day
to eight seed with CBD though right it's made from really,
let me let me just keep you a run down.
I'm gonna just do a half a one. Let me
give you a run. I'm not gonna eat a whole one.
You're gonna Yeah, I was in Northern California, gonna come

(46:06):
next to me then, yeah, you know he's gonna rub you.
He's gonna come rub you, So listen. I'll be honest. Look,
I was in and one of my story before we
got to get out of here. I was in Northern California, Oakland,
back in the day, right across the street from Oxterdam University.
I forgot the dispensary's name, but it was. It was
literally across the street from Oxterdam University. And I walked
in there and I'm a daily smoker at this point,

(46:27):
you know, smoking blunts every day, eating edibles everything. And
then I walk in and the guy's like yeah, and
he's like, yoh, this is blue you know, cannabis game
blah blah blah. This guy's like talking to and we
skipped this huge freaking line. Dude walked right off front
and he's like, what do you want. I was like,
just a little edible, something cool, you know what I mean.
He's like, oh cool, here, here's a little Hershey kiss,
and I laughed at him because I'm like, you know,
he gave me a Hershey kiss. You know what I'm saying.

(46:47):
I'm like, dog, you know what you trying to hook
me up? You gave me a Hershey kiss? You know,
like cool? Thank you bro? And thank yeah. And then
he's like, yeah, here grabs and whatever you want. Bro.
It's like you're good, you can take whatever. And I'm like, no,
you know what, I'll just take the kiss, you know
me know what, I'm laughing. And then the guy's like no, no,
here's here's you know what's your favorite, you know, cannabis.
And I'm like, kem dog and sour De's like yeah,
here's a little this. But they hooked it up right.

(47:08):
But but it's like, just take the just take the
Hershe though you'll be good, and I'm like, bro, like this,
this isn't gonna do ship for me, you know what
I'm saying. And I took that Hershey kissed and I'm laughing, dude,
you know what I mean? Like, well as I'm taking it,
you know. And the funny thing is I hadn't spoke
to anything after that because I was just we were
just bouncing around and talking in the streets, and all sudden,
I'm out in the middle of Oakland, you know what
I mean. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, hey, dude,

(47:31):
you know what? What what restaurant is that right there?
Because I can see a restaurant across the street. And
my buddies like, uh, I don't know whatever. And I
go into the restaurant and I'll be right back, bro
I walked in that restaurant, I sat down and and
I astalated for water. I'm like, I guess some water
because I was feeling like I was getting hot, I
was feeling like flashy. I was like, what the funk?
Do you know? You know something? You know, I don't

(47:51):
feel well. I don't know what's going on. And I'm like,
all of a sudden, I just shrunk into this little
like I was. I thought I was in a third
world country. And because I was just watching every around
the streets and I'm like, oh shoot, dude, oh my god.
And I'm just like, dude, I panicked, dude, I panic,
Ipanic Ipanic. I'm sitting there holding I'm drinking water, and
the lad he's like, are you okay? I'm sweating, and
she's like, are you okay? And I'm like I think

(48:11):
I'm cool. I think I'm cool, and she's like, what's wrong.
I'm like, I don't know, you know. And I didn't
even know why I was so fucked up, you know
what I mean? I was just fucked up. And then
I ended up at my buddy's house, dude, and I'm
laying there and they're laughing. Dude, I'm wake up and
they're like, dude, And I don't even know how I
got to his house. How long ago was that when
you came to How long did it lasts? It was
a couple of hours, I mean, ship, I really don't

(48:32):
remember getting to his house. Maybe they put some mushrooms
in that it was it was called it was called
Later I find out that it's called a hash, a
kiss of hash, and so that what they called it
is a kiss of hash. So it was like some
hat like super concentrated, you know what I mean? But
is that gonna do this? I just want to This

(48:56):
is before I want you a little fucking delta a
biscus and I'm gonna be all scared. No, no, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is talk to the professionals from Viscus
and ask him what they think that they think is
your your dose before you just dose because you say,
I'm gonnat the whole bag that do not eat the
whole bag. Yeah, that's scary. You see what I'm saying.
Should I give it to my kids before as long

(49:20):
as they're under six years old? Totally kidding exactly, No,
take take take one. Um. I can tell you I
had my own weird experience on Delta eight. I took
an eighty million you know, we were messing around. I
took someone made our supplier actually for fun, made an
eighty mill of Graham Gummy. I ate it. It's still
to eight whatever. I didn't know anything, and I had
like a we had a really important conference call like

(49:41):
in an hour, and I get on a call and
I'm like, who is this? Like I couldn't Yeah, yeah,
did you recover? I came to kind of like sort of.
I mean, it wasn't a bad experience, like the high
wasn't It wasn't like I didn't get paranoid or crazy,
but I was not operating at all for about thirty minutes.

(50:03):
Will I be okay? Watching Big Brother tonight? With my wife.
You'll be all right, He'll be all right. Not even
get him all brother. Well, guys, everybody's different. Well, guys,
if you could hear my voice out there, go to
Viscus dot life check them out. That's w W dot

(50:24):
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