How two rival gang members created a show & brand The American Cholo.

Sonny and Gil from American Cholo tell you about the gang life. How they were two rival gang members. Squashing their beef. The difference between Northern california gangs and southern california gangs. Their podcast The Real American Cholo. @TheRealAmericanCholo is where you can find them on instagram and Blue tells us a crazy jail story.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now it's time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue,
Joe Grande, and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pop brothers
in law, with special guests Sonny and Gil, two rival
gang members that created the show, and a brand called
the American Joelo. Hello, and welcome to Cannabis Talk one
on one. My name is Blue. Alongside him is the
world famous Joe Grande, and normally it's Marking Craig Washerman,

(00:22):
the Pop Brothers out law, but today joining us is
the pop brother Craig Washerman. How you doing, buddy. It's
awesome guys, glad to be here. So tell us what
you got in the cannabis world. Joe first, well, thank
you guys all for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk
one oh one, all around the world, eighty six different
countries and I love each and every one of you.

(00:42):
Thank you. If you ever want to call the show,
it's eight hundred nineteen eight Blue, What is it again?
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ze zeoto over there, Good goes No, Joe, you know

(01:03):
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Marks at Lost Law, and at court right now, so
he'll be probably popping in via zoom and Craig is
a Lost Law dog blues at one Christopher Rice and

(01:25):
I am at Joe grand A fifty two. And before
we get to our guest, Sonny and Gil from American
Tolo there on Instagram at the Real American Clo. But
first of all, welcome Sonny and Gil. Thank you guys
for joining, guys having and give me a favor. Um, Gil,
don't eat the mic. I know you look hungry, so

(01:45):
please don't eat them. That's sunny, Sonny. I'm already attacking
you on look. I like already got him earlier. Craig, Craig,
you have some new for us. First, before we here again,
I found this time. Actually this is awesome. Missouri Republican

(02:08):
congressional candidate Ryan Dirk's posted on Facebook quote, I don't
see why cannabis needs to be illegal, especially in a
place where alcohol and tobacco are legal. Freedom to choose,
tax it put it in science labs. So here we
got a Republican who wants to legalize cannabis in Missouri.

(02:29):
MISSOI not only that they're cracking out there. You know,
my wife from Kansas, and a lot of people in
CBDs legal and Kansas and a lot of people are
opening their eyes out there, which is still close enough
to that valuable belt that you wouldn't think that Kansas
and Missouri, especially that state line, that I didn't expect
them folks to be flopping over as much as they are.
To be honest, I think they're I think they're gonna
flip sooner or later. Have a dog named tom No.

(02:53):
But there's no place like home. There's no place like him.
So we have another one. Rhode Island Democratic can Get
candidate Dylan Connolly tweeted as your congressman will fight to
write the ship of the cannabis industry as more and
more states legalize it. Roughly forty thousand, forty thousand Americans

(03:13):
continue to sit in jail for cannabis related offenses. This
must change, So we you mean, the nice thing is
these are candidates who are actually throwing it in their
policy statements as part of their Congressional bid for you know,
higher office, and hopefully they're not just you know, hopefully

(03:33):
they're not lying like a lot of other politicians of
light in the past, just to get the vote, try
and get the minority vote. You mean, the smoker vote,
any vote, any anybody who votes all the smokers of
bottom line, is it a black So if we if we,

(03:55):
if we want the Feds to take it off the
schedule list, it looks like it's gonna take the in
the November elections. People voting for Democrats across the board,
every single Democrat I think running for Congress in almost
any state in this Union are for cannabis legalization. And

(04:16):
until that happens, the House of Representatives can vote, they're
gonna do. They're gonna vote on the More Act, they're
gonna vote on They've already voted on other other bills
that would allow banking for cannabis. And what does it
do right now in the Republican controlled Congress Senate. It
just dies on the Senate floor. That's it. Just do
that every single time, Craig, when all these people want

(04:38):
to vote for, all these people get out of their house.
Mitch McConnell, who who was like eight hundred years old
and runs the Senate. How does how do we get
Mitch out of there? I gotta vote for the person.
You gotta be supportive of the person running against him,
which I can't think off top of my head her name,
but I think she's ex military and they're hoping that she,

(05:01):
uh she beat somebody? Is that in November? We can
vote to get Mitch out of there. If you live
in his district. I believe he's from Kentucky. You're gonna
have to Kentucky, buddy. Yeah, I'm down trying to or
or we or we just push everybody go vote. You know,
you can google who your congressman is, who you're Democratic
or Republican people running forward the district in which you live.

(05:24):
We can go to normal and O r M L
dot org and put in your zip code. Vote people, Vote, Vote,
vote vote. I've been saying that for years. I mean,
now we've got it forefront that things aren't gonna change
unless you get out there and vote. You've been saying smoke, smoke,
smoke for you, and it sounds which actually there's a website.

(05:47):
Now My brother and I should have should have grabbed
that website years ago, but we had come up with
Smoke the Vote, and I think there's, uh, there's actually
a website smoke the Vote. Well, that's that's what normal.
That's actually with normal, right. I know they stole our idea,
so we shouldn't have told him, and then that's it.
I just wanted to bring up those two more. I
like to bring those up as often as I can.

(06:09):
I'm so glad. Remember to get out there and vote. Everyone,
go out there and vote. We have a big one
coming up or right now on the show, we have
the American the real American totals right here, Sonny and Gil.
I gotta ask you, guys, Blue, you ran across and
explain how you met these cats and why they're here today.

(06:29):
You know, actually I met them on a um at
the park during the handball tournament. I was invited to
buy another friend of mine and I went down there
just with some great individuals and started seeing the culture
of everything that they were doing. Blew me away because
it brought me back to my my youth days and
everything else that was going on. And um just got
to meet these guys in and started hearing about their

(06:51):
story and what they're currently doing. Really enjoyed that, and
uh decided to have them on the show. And not
only that, we went and checked out there YouTube page
which is just American troller, right, American trollo, and that
is you Gil, that's on their mostly right, that is I.
But we did the podcast together being Sunny boy nice
and the podcast. That's right. So I was watching a podcast.

(07:13):
I'm sure they're and Gil and Sunny. How do you
guys meet? How do you guys come up with this
real American trollo? Let's let's figure this out. Well, it
originally started as it was. It was more myself. It
was actually starting with like a anti gang type thing
at first, and then it just evolved. Me and him
actually talked on on YouTube on on just on the

(07:35):
comments like two seventeen year old girls. Hi hi. He
told me he was a hot chick and as you
can tell, yeah he can't fish me. You did? Crazy?
Was Me and him were actually enemies back in the
day as far as gang goes, no way, Yeah, we
were enemies and all we all met over Potto Manudo.

(07:57):
He said, hey, once you come to East l A.
He lives in East Lame Over, has some great men
that we sat down before I went to go meet
But where were you at here? Because Sundy's in East
I'm in North Hollywood, Okay, and I grew up and
I've been there since any one. So I went over.
I told my wife, I'm gonna go meet this guy.
And then I called some of my homies, Hey, have
you heard of this guy? Yeah, they heard of him.
So even some of my homies that you're gonna recognized
this dude from when I was a youngster man. This

(08:19):
guy's been running around for Sunday Sunday, has been running
around Sunday's o g Yeah, Sundays. We've been in and
out of a few bars Sundays. Old, that's what he is.
So we went out there and uh we we hooked
up and we we clicked ever since. But we kind
of got on the same page. And then eventually we
were interviewed him because it's hard for how was that
you guys hooking up right ere? Going? But I gotta

(08:44):
ask who's the power bottom you guys? You guys aren't
you guys didn't start touching basses or nothing. We're not
like you, We're not like Okay, we're back, Okay, we're back.
I realized it was from my enemies at the time,
and I was like, wow, whatever, I'm getting a little older. Yeah,

(09:07):
but did your homies looking at it? Like, what do
you mean? Who's just guilt North Hollywood? I know that
that's funny. The guys that were really about it are
the ones that saying, hey, go hunder your business. It's
the ones that weren't really about it. Yeah. Yeah, missed
me with all that. So anyways, he had got another
podcast and he was talking about another YouTuber that came

(09:29):
out and Um, we're all on the same facility, we're
all within the midst of each other, and um, the
one guy with some saying some stuff and it was
just untruthful, completely untruthful, completely made up. And he had
actually brought it up and I was like, hey, I
gotta give this to the props. So we started talking

(09:51):
on the comments a little because can you call them
out on it about it? So what happened was, um,
he was he went to one of the little little
videos about Manudal and he's bringing out some watered out
asked Manouval, this is like water from got some real

(10:11):
they got over here, Like, I guarantee you that's the
best you're gonna get. And sure enough he came down
there to East l A. He came down east told
around with that, and I told him, ILL probably shoot by.
So I came down there and unless we started talking.
So you actually went to the other hood. Then his
his neighbor was actually in Burbank, but he lives in
East l A. So I went there like I went

(10:33):
with me, my wife, my brother in law and his wife.
He came with his homeboy, and as soon as he
walked in, he kind of reminds me one of my
homies doing life in prison. Big guy, like this same
same kind of attitude, the same everything. So we kind
of hit it off and and ever since then, brother,
I mean, I talked to this guy more on the
phone than I do my wife. That's funny though, But
isn't that crazy how our culture, especially being Latino as

(10:53):
we do that to each other. When you know, damn well,
whether you're shut North Daniel, they're the same damn type
of bought that's in your neighborhood, that's over there miles away,
well that's it. Took It took me years to figure
that out, but I think I figured out faster than
most but at the same time I was really advancing
in the in the gang life after so many years.
Sonny probably about three or four years ago, would have

(11:14):
still rushed because I'm from his enemy's dirt. Yeah I
would I had asked. I got offered a job as
a gang gang coordinator, not a coordinator, but somebody that
counselor counselor, a gang counselor, and I turned it down
and he was like why. And I because some dude
from her Hollywood comes in here and tells me from

(11:34):
hollywoh are my Russian? Yeah? Like what? Yeah? Yeah, but
you gotta catch one. But as I got a little
older the last few years, things have changed and my
mentality has changed, and I've seen some things that that
made me change. So then I started to look at
the bigger picture. You know. It's it's funny because what
was it? What was it that made you change? It

(11:56):
was changed. That's a good, good question, Craig. There was
special people out there to maybe get out of the life.
Why living in Stall So I used to go to
I go to the Little Liquor story to buy single
cigarettes every once in a while. I don't like to
buy the whole pack because I smoked too much, so
I go to get a single cigarette and there used
to be this kid. He's about sixteen, seventeen years old, skinny,

(12:16):
all decked out, posted up in his neighborhood every day
by himself at night, the morning, whenever he's there. So
when they we have to you, I had some business
with the guys there and talking to him, and now
I get an opportunity to talk to this kid and
I'm telling them, hey, what are you doing here about yourself?
Where's are your homeboys? And he's like they'll come around.

(12:40):
And then when his own boys comes around, they tells
him to go do something, and I'm like, so I
get him alone and I'm talking to them and tell him, dude,
you know you're just a crash from me. Huh, just
a crash from me. Why why are you even playing
the game? Might as well just go do it real quick,
get busted, start your time and something collecting me where
it was like I could see myself in him. I

(13:03):
could see myself and I could see where his future was,
and that kid was like, you know. I was like, man,
this kids is heading out a round road. So um,
I left on and didn't say nothing, dropped, left him off,
and um. The next day, I go to the store
again like normal, He's not there. A couple of days later,

(13:24):
not there. Keeps on going because about two months later
I catch him walking in the house he lives in
the corner. I caught him walking out of his house
and I see him, what's up done? And he's like, hey, hey,
thank you for what what you told me that night?
He was I got a girlfriend, I got a job,
I went back to school, bought myself a car already.

(13:47):
I was like, damn, this kid just changed his whole
life just for something. And I just turned down my
game counsel job, and I just but and then I
even bought him, uh a pamphlet to study pamphlet for
electrician job that he was going to go to school,
to a school for. So I've been trying to help

(14:08):
him out as much as I can. But that was
my turning point. That's when I started to Yeah, it's
it's a little harder for different ones. For me, it
was I got into my gang in eighty nine. I
was fourteen years old. By ninety one, I'm already coming
into the California Youth Authority. I got eight years for
shooting at some cops. I go do two years, I

(14:30):
get out. I'm a little more progressing a gang. I
get busted again with a TECH nine. I go back,
do two years. I get out this time it's ninety six.
This time, I'm like the top of the foods and
in my in my hood, I'm um in essay gangs,
there's not ever really one shot caller, but I was
one of the few guys calling shots by this time
that I progressed real quick in the gang. Then I
got busted again. They actually rated my house from my mom.

(14:52):
My mom was a cocaine dealer back in those days, right,
they read a house for her. She comes to me
and tells me, if you got guns in the house,
get them out. They're coming. I come out to catch
me with two more guns. So I'm going back in.
This time. I'm thinking I'm gonna get stretched out. Something happens.
I ended up doing another two years. I get out
ninety nine. But the crazy part was when I got
busted ninety It was ninety six, ninety seven January, when
I got bus to my mom's. The second I walked

(15:13):
back into that county jail, I looked around and something
in my eyes just opened up and I started seeing
all these guys like, wait a minute, dude, am I
need this forty year old dopehine when I get older?
This is what I want to be. It's something just
something right there just popped out a week a week earlier.
I'm already go do life. I'm gonna go kill somebody
for my hood. But as soon as I walked in there,
I'm like, no, dude, when I get out of this place,
I'm never coming back. And they actually sent me to

(15:35):
a psych when I was in there going for parole
because I told him Mr. T Hoyler, we're here to
see you're gonna let you go this and that. Listen, man,
I should probably be doing life somewhere. When you guys
let me go, I'm gonna tell you I'm never coming
back over here. I've came to parole three times. I've
told you this. I've told you that I'm done with
the lives. I'm just telling you I'm never coming back.
They said, you do know you we're here to literally
you know if you're gonna get paroled to that. I see,
I understand that, I said, but I'm not coming back.

(15:57):
They send me to the psyche the game. Another year
I got out, I get out night and now I don't.
Another year I got out night nine. I never went back.
I still live in my neighborhood. I actually me and
my wife bought a house in my neighborhood about eight
years ago or whatnot. Now, I actually hire homies that

(16:17):
are come out the joint because I'm trying to show him. Look, brother,
there's a different life. And the sad thing is that
it's your your product environment a lot of times. So
what what neighborhood is that? What neighborhood? Are North Hollywood
boys not holloys. Let me ask Let me ask you this.
For for people out there who you know, it sounds
like you were really you know, in deep as you
can get. Um, how is it you know, uh uh,

(16:40):
you know getting out so to speak, because you see,
you know, hear stories guys like watch TV, you know
all that kind of ship. But for people who really
are listening right now going funk, that's me right now,
and there's another way to go. There's no process to
really get out, no one set process. And so it
depends on your neighborhood, It depends on who dealing or

(17:01):
how involved you're in Yeah, how deep are you really know?
Because how much financially are you involved? Got out there, Yeah,
but it's m most most people got an opportunity to say,
you know what, I'm not crossing that line, and after that,
I'm done. And and the people that that that a

(17:23):
lot of people will say, Oh, they're gonna kill you,
They're going to kill your family. That doesn't I've never
ran across anybody like that. What about you? I think
I think where that that comes from Central American gangs
like you see MS MS thirteen Street over there at
Central America. Yeah, if you don't join the gang, they're
gonna kill you, brother, or you're in for life or
you're in for life, which one way or another you're

(17:44):
gonna get killed. Well, I think there's a fine line too.
I mean, when you start to get so deep into
into what's really happening in politics, if you're if you're
like really tied into it, you know, and then you
kind of cross like this this threshold you could end
up you know, Yeah, you've got no choice. Yeah, yeah,
you you you become a torpedo, you know what I mean.
But you're crossing into gangs into prison politics. Yeah. Yeah,

(18:05):
But I'm talking about like if you're just talking street stuff,
like you know, and you grew up with your homeboys
and you're like, hey, dude, like I'm taking a break,
there's not really anybody they can influence you. They might
jump you, they might talk a little shit clown on you.
You might and not really jump. You'll probably just end
up throwing blows with somebody to tell them the f off.
But it really doesn't. It doesn't come to a point
like where you see in the movies like oh, they're
gonna kill you if you don't get if you try

(18:26):
and get out, it's more or less they're just going
to you know, whoop your asks or talk ship because
you're gonna beef with your boy and and really you
have that that ability just to kind of stay home
and just do you, you know. Well, like with me,
when I decided when of my I had my kid,
I decided I wasn't I was gonna hang up the
khakis and what I like to say, I'm gonna hang
out my khaki. I'm gonna go do my theater, But

(18:50):
at that time I was there them anyways, I decided
to hang up the khakis, and um, I told my homeboys,
I'm not gonna be coming around. I'm gonna get a job.
I'm gonna do what I gotta do. I'll make sure
my kid has a duds in life. How do your business? Howly? Good? Good,
good good? And they left me alone for a while,
and then you get the little call, hey, um, we're

(19:11):
having a party night. Once you just swing by, bring
your old lady. Nobody's gonna a trip, all right, But
those calls start coming more often, and then they next
you know, you're called a full blown back everything. Yeah,
you get caught up into everything. So it's a lot
of times it's like even if you want to get out,
it's you just get dragged in by just trying to
be a friend for somebody. You're thinking they're being their friend.

(19:34):
But when when you're getting a life term, nobody cares
about you exactly exactly what it's It's like a drug.
Because I live, literally, I don't know, maybe four blocks
from the heart of my hood, right but I'm either
I have the willpower what not not to get sucked
sucked into that life again. I got home. Is that
live maybe two miles from me? Three Miles Week. I
haven't seen him in ten ficksen years because they go

(19:55):
straight home, they don't come around, they don't go to
any I try to I do it it acting my homies,
but I try to be the positive fact because if
I'm not gonna be the positive has been an older
guy like Sonny, that's gonna make him be worse. Go
to word fool Great. We're talking to Sonny and Gil
from American CLO. When we come back, Sonny, I want
to hear your story and I want to say story.
I want to hear the jail's parts, the prison parts.

(20:18):
It's Cannabis Talk one on one. Will be right back
with the real American Torolo. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk
one on one. We are here with Sonny and Gil
of American CLO, the American Tolos and Sunny. When we

(20:41):
before we went to break, I wanted to hear your story,
like Gil broke down his at what age did you
jump in and and the bean Pat? How did that
work out for you? Well? Well, let me tell you
just real quick, it wasn't that cool. I don't make
you sound some good joke. I want to say four.
I want to say fourteen fifteen. My neighbor is a
little differently first, right, he said from Elmwood Street in Burbank.

(21:03):
But I was one of the original family members Realmwood. So, Um,
before I would actually got big, we were already running
around and doing things, you know, just a little group
of friends. Um, we should play football together. Quote a
different neighborhood, the way the game starts its neighborhood homies,
period fall and basketball. It got it progressed. Uh about

(21:27):
mid eighties, I got shot for the first time. I
went to Hollywood Bolivard Cruisine. I was with some girl
and some guy just decided to walk by and telling
me that her ass to Knights. And I don't know
if I can say ay, but yeah, you're good. He
she had a nice asshole. Um me being a hot head,

(21:48):
hothead I am. I went in um back count of
him like a girl, and he had a few homies
with them. So they came back and put the shot
you business. Yeah, they shot me when we got busy first,
but they land him shooting me and then UM shotow
my arm. Then Um, I got a I was in

(22:11):
a hospital like a year for that. Wow. So when
I came out of the hospital. Um I went right
back to doing my thing out there, hand on the business,
messing around. Um I got shot again in the back
with a shotgun on the corner out Burbank. Burbank. He's
a big target the first time Bank. I didn't know Burbank.

(22:32):
God damn like that. I got that just Armos. Oh.
He told me something one day. He said it was
four hundred sixties some shootings in one year. And maybe
I used to think the same thing. I just think
that's the white boys city, right were white boy next door?
Glendale's his neighborhood. Actually you go there, Yeah, it was.

(22:54):
It was like going to Coma or something. It was, well,
that's that's I say, Like, no one really knows. I
grew up in and down and everybody's like, oh down.
He's like the the you know East, I mean the
uh the Beverly Hills for the Mexicans, you know. And
I'm like, yeah, until you're stuck on Imperial Highway, you know,
and and you know, and you're on the border of
Firestone over there and Pico or you're in Lynnwood and

(23:15):
you're on the board you know, like if you if
you live in the nice area, Yeah, there's a beautiful
place in town. But there's also a shipball spot right
down the street that I'll get you like that year.
So then what happens. I gen't shot in the back,
it's bird shot. I go to my homeboys sister, my
homeboys mom, and she gets an exactly knife and she's
cutting out, cutting out the palace. You know, I wasn't

(23:38):
nothing serious, but you know it got me glad you
look at it that way. So I had been and
I'm not gonna be going back to the neywhere aren't
kicking it on the corner of where I'm done? Dude,
I'm not doing that no more. I'm started getting shot.
But by then hours already start picking up a gun.
I was like, I'm done, I'm picking up a gun
and come at me. And I got him. Um he

(24:03):
went around for a couple of years. Everything was cool
where where. Yeah, we're handling business, but nothing too serious.
Nobody was. Guy didn't get shot no more. So I
was cool. That's a good thing. Then I got hitting
the foot with an axe and guy are trying to
hit me with an axe, dropped off half my foot. Um,
you lost half your foot replacement My foot just basically anyways, Um,

(24:29):
I got stabbed twice in the lungs at my house
and I was with my my kid's mother, and that's
where things started to change. I was like, man, I'm tired.
I'm tired doing this. And then right after that, I
think that's the night she told me she was pregnant.
She was I'm pregnant. That's so I was like, all right,
I'm cool. I gotta stop this. And I was all

(24:49):
right until I never went in. At this point, you've
never been in. I had been in the county for
for a couple of days. Not too big. There's alla
d a rejects. It's like because back then those days
where least with my homeboys, we were all solid. Nobody
was telling nobody, so we were getting away with everything.
We're literally getting away with everything. And what was I telling?

(25:11):
What part? You just got? Your just my wife. I
decided to get a job and do everything right. And
then I started in those calls, Hey food, we're gonna
have a party once you come down, right, Hey fo,
We're gonna have a party and come down. And I
decided to go to New Year's party, and they lit
my homeboys up like bad and one of my my

(25:33):
close friends, UM let him getting paralyzed over it, and
I was like, wow, I'm going out. So I started
going out little by little, and I was calling out
of work doing the stuff so I can go look
for these guys. And then I ended up going back.
UM going to start going back to the neighbor because
I lost a job. So I started going back to

(25:55):
neighborhood every night, partying and just started leaving until I
got a last term. Um. I picked up a life
turning in February of two so um, I went to
prison and uh ninety two. No, I went in prison
ninety three, almost ninety almost ninety four, and I got

(26:17):
out in two thousand. I overturned to the case. So
I got out. How are you able to do that? Nice? Yeah? What? What?
What was the graph? Good? That's a good one. You
got life and you're able to get out? WHOA what
it was? Hes T that's always the biggest blessing, Like,
wait a minute, I got life and I'm out. Well,
there was multiple shootings tonight I got busted. There was

(26:39):
I think it was three shootings, separate shootings, one in Burbank,
one in Glendale, one in Burbank. They pinned me for
three shootings were both shootings in Burbank at one time,
and they weren't. I can't be at two places at
one time, so they were trying to get me from
Glendale to They put those two those two shootings together.

(27:00):
But when they put the two shootings together, they said that, Um,
I was in Glendo at the time. I had like
something like four five minutes to be into that spot
to do that shooting and me get back, and it
was impossible. So they were actually going like Ama free ways.
Even if Brand Boulevard had all the green lights, there
was no way of doing it because it was deeper
into It was deeper in the Grandale more towards me

(27:22):
northeast l A. So um, they I got dropped. They
had insus fishing evidence on certain things. They had hit
uh information that they had that with your dad, I
was because exculpatory evidence that prosecution is supposed to by

(27:44):
law and anything over that's in the favor of the defendant.
Because they had a bullet a bullet hole diameter was
suppolled what I had supposed it with the twenty two rifle,
and they had a quarter in hole in a window
and that would have been a caliber. So they didn't

(28:06):
use They didn't have the right caliber if it was
supposed to be something like three eighths of a nance
or something, but in a quarter of an inch they couldn't.
They tried to throw all the shootings on me and
they couldn't. It was multiple shootings. But the guy that
actually did it was the one that told on me.
So I was like, wow, easy to the homie or
he was a homi. The first one I've ever told

(28:29):
on anybody really right in the neighborhood. They have them sometimes,
I mean. And then it took me almost about five years.
Is overturned after two years in that county. Almost two
years in the county, So it took seven years. And
so now that you're in East l A and you
know you're part of the whole burbank um Elmwood Street, guys,

(28:54):
how does it East l A take you in? Because
you're o g there's no doubt looking at you. You see,
you know how you could just see it in that stereotyping. Well, right,
I am dice. You call a spade and spade and
a suck a thug, you know, do it again? I

(29:24):
moved in with my kid's mother. But originally I grew
up in East Los Angeles. Um from East Angels went
to montan and so I grew up in those areas
and to me, those are like home. I know, I
still still have friends in the neighborhoods. So when I
moved in, and when I moved into this one of
little neighborhood called Little Weast Side, and these guys are

(29:45):
snappers and um, as soon as I world up in
the neighborhood, it was just like all bad with them.
But that's one thing about East Los Angeles is you
can't just move in from a different neighborhood and think
you're cool. They're gonna test you, they're gonna mess with you.
And those guys from Little Weast Side I earned their
respect because that was about let's do it right, Yeah,

(30:08):
let's do it. I'm not going to where this is home. Yeah.
And then um, I moved from one party fell to another,
and Little East Side actually came by and told that
other gang, hey, leave him alone, don't mess up to me. Cool. Yeah,
So I got a lot of respect as far as uh,

(30:28):
A lot of homies in Los Angeles that I've known
and they've known me from when I was a kid.
So yeah, how are you now? Um? You know, it's
funny because he's growing up, you know, and and and
and you you start to bounce around and you see
all the different hoods and stuff like that, and you
realize that, like as you start to get older and

(30:49):
you realize that, you know, there's no difference between what's
going on. I mean, we're just we we I feel
like we're also the dream. You know. When we were young,
you know, there was this dream in this vision and
it was very powerful back then, where it's not as
powerful as it is anymore. And I don't know why,
you know, I mean I just think it's like, well,
I know why the cops got very very strict and

(31:10):
and and you know, it's funny because I see what's
happening now in today's day, and I go, gosh, you know,
when we were young, cops were way more brutal than
they are now. People are like, well, their princess is
now just as brutal now. They just we just have
video now, dude, Listen, Craig, I can tell you this.

(31:34):
You know, there was there was night got pulled over
when I was sixteen come on. Yeah, And there was
there was nights where they would they would they would
come in with you know, I would say twelve or
fourteen you know cops and maybe six cars, you know,
maybe maybe it's eight cars, and they trap us in

(31:55):
this little area. They'd handcuff everybody. They'd spray everybody with
mace and tell him whose neighborhood is this homeboy? And
if you didn't answer, you were gonna get cracked with
the billy club and then you hit the floor like
it was that bad where I was at, you know,
And it was because they wanted to create fear. You know,
they were creating fear in in in the cities in

(32:16):
Norwalk Downy Paramount, the minorities, the Blacks and Mexicans period.
Like I literally get pulled out of a car and
and and they weren't tripping on on weed, dude, like
everybody's like, I'm worried about we Like they pulled me
over the Yeah, they would come over with uh, you know,

(32:38):
let let me ask you guys this in light of
what's going on today. While maybe how you were dealt with,
probably half those times they didn't arrest you. They just
sucked with you really fucking hard. It's my guests warnings
whatever back then. If I'm wrong, tell me. But people
were people getting as shot and killed as they are today,
rather than working up trying to worse worse. When you're

(33:04):
in that life, you back at least back in my day,
we knew where we had coming. If you run from
the cops, you were catching the beat down. If they
got a hold of you, caught you with the strap,
you're getting lit up. Yeah there, you knew what you
were getting into the game. That's just every every day
things like these youngsters will act like they don't understand
the rules, they don't rule, they don't what it is.

(33:26):
It's I think it's the narrative is they can get
away with it. It's it's sad because right now a
lot of these guys, yeah they shouldn't be getting killed.
But like myself, I got called a gun three different times,
but every single time they come in with a gun,
Becauess what I did. I froze man, because I knew
that you shut the funk up. Yeah, And the problem
is right now people don't want to shut up. They
want to argue, no, you are you? After you get
arrested you get a lawyer, you do it the right way.

(33:47):
But if you got to watch that's exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
if you if you're gonna argue, you got a gun, homie,
you know what you got coming, don't I'm sorry, don't
cry about after. Yeah. And you and I think that
even if you don't, even if you don't have a gun. Yeah,
if you don't have a gun, the minute you start arguing,
we tell people, the minute you start arguing, that gives
the cop that out that they currently have on qualified immunity. Hey,

(34:10):
I was afraid for my life. That's it. You how
easy of a threshold it is for them. So when
when you know, when people engage in the script that
we teach people, it's calm, polite, and that's it. I
know my rights. I'm shutting the funk up. Comply, complain later,
don't argue with the cop. You're not gonna win the
conversation no matter what. All it does is agitate them,

(34:31):
and right or wrong, whether they should have you out
of the car, whether they're problem that some people duck
and duck and you know well they are now as
we're as we're sitting here with Sonny and Gil from
American clo on I g the American clo you know,
I'll tell you Greig to answer what you're what you're

(34:53):
talking about is that everybody is is exploiting some bullshit
right now in my in from the streets. You know,
like as a as a kid that grew up, you know,
like I, I was able to change about I tell
everybody I game bang didn't tell I was about, you know,
to thirty two years old, you know, And as I
started to get to that, I started trying to change

(35:15):
my clothes and where my and talk differently and try
to disguise myself to not be so um you're wearing
white pants. Yeah, yeah, just not not to be not
to be so relevant. But I also tell people all
the time, Joe, I'm my I'm three inches from having
my head shavedn two inches from having a gun in
your face. Not a lot of people understand that, you know.

(35:36):
You know, we've had this exact discussion on our podcast, well,
especially about the systemic racism. You know, when I decided
I was gonna stay out of trouble, and I changed
the way addressed the way I acted. I guess just
my demeanor. Something in me changed. I haven't been stopped

(35:57):
in years. And if I do get stopped, there's something
like you know, they don't ask me. Weren't from nothing?
No more, they don't bust because you communication level everything
you everything's changed. Yeah, but if you're gonna go on,
you're up to something and you're looking over your shoulder,
of course the cons notice because that's what they're trained
to do. Well, it's then, and sometimes they're right, it's

(36:20):
it's the rules of engagement. And no, they haven't changed
the rules of engagement. Like Eve was speaking, as soon
as the officer feels threatened, he's got the right to
shoot you. And until that changes, you better comply with
what they're saying. Yeah, and and and and any politician
that's saying this and that, they don't change it, whether
it's a Republican or Democrat. They haven't changed the rules
of engagement. They need to change the rules of engagement.
If not, young people are going to continue, even older
people to get shot. Is that what you talk about

(36:42):
on Americ Control of the podcast that we talk about
anything from politics to but to I mean artists. Yeah,
we talked, we talked serious stuff. We we try to
bring we try to bring ourselves. Really put a Latino
thing into it, because I feel that we as Latino Rossa,
we don't have a choice. We don't have really had

(37:02):
stay everybody. Yeah, they should check your prostate if you're
over forty guys, you know, I mean if it's fit
for you know. We we really, we really did. He
tried to get me because I was older, trying to
clown me about getting my prostate checked. And now every day.
Oh no, it turns out he's had more than I have.
No way, I'm older, he's nervous. And then I told him,

(37:24):
I told him, dude, they got me once. But then
I found out that they can do a blood test,
and he goes, no, that's not true. To refuse the
blood test. Yeah, that's why they call him double knuckle
gill in the boo boo. The other one gets stuck
in the storm. Dude. Really, they didn't do all that

(37:46):
to me. They didn't bend over and you know what,
you know, cute bend over. OK. I'm done, thank you
very much. I'm finished with you. I went home and
slept for about four hours, left my clothes on. I
swear to god, did you kiss my neck at least first?
It's like something. You know, I'll tell you one of
the things that that I admire, you know, is that

(38:09):
you know, there there's there's a lot of positivity and
what you guys are doing right now man, and and
being a part of the American Troller, even the concept
the name what you guys through out there. And again
when I when I was there at the the the
park and here and Stanton, I was, I was there
and I was like, man, this reminds me of so
much of just being young, you know, and enjoying it.
But yet there was and I haven't seen you know,

(38:30):
the movements of ship going on, you know what I mean.
And I and I know that this whole, this whole environment,
and so I'm you know, I'm printing around and I
was literally probably you know, where's Waldo in the whole
building because I had a I had a little you know,
you know, pretty boy shirt on and ship and I'm like, oh,
this guy's wearing some tight clothes and ship bounce around.
But feeling and my friend, well they said that guy

(38:51):
comes up to me and he goes, hey, bro, He's like,
I don't know, but you look so you feel you
just look so comfortable here, like I you know what
I mean, like you know, what's what's what do your dog?
And I was like, I'm very comfortable here, you know,
and shouldn't And it's well because it's probably the way
I've dressed, you know. But it was like, you just
here like that? And he was like no, and I go,
what do you mean? And he go, do you see

(39:12):
that guy over there? You know, it's like this youngster dude,
you know. And he was like, he looks like he
was pushed to be here, you know. He was like,
you look like you're very comfortable here. I was like,
but he's like, but you don't look like you fit
in and I'm laughing. I'm just like, you know what
I dude? Like. For for me again, it's it's not
something that I'm ashamed of or something that I'll ever
forget or you know, my my culture of who I

(39:33):
who I was, or who I walked with. In fact,
it made me a better, stronger person. I think that
that it's it's it's good to help others out there
to understand where they're at in their lives though, and
for people to see that this is what the cultural is.
Because when you he left there. He called me and
he sent me videos going, Joe, look at this community,
look at the rosy, and it's like, it's like any community.

(39:55):
I don't care if you're Jewish, black, White, Asian, Philip,
whatever you are you I mean, but to see the
Latin roots get together like that, it's just great and
dope because there's so much hypocrisy out there saying when
you get a bunch of Mexicans together, there's gonna be
a fight, and maybe it happens. Are a bunchet of

(40:15):
blacks together, they're gonna be a fight it maybe it happens.
But my point is Blue was like, dude, Joe, this
was such a great event, and so what you guys
are doing, we just commend you because, like Blue brought
it to my attention, we were online looking at videos
and watching and I swear to you, we were like
borderline sitting there like crying, like, man, we gotta be

(40:36):
at events like this, you know, and if you miss
being part of that culture, like you up because I
grew up that way at too. I grew up in
East Side Saint Jose and it's very very like that
funny you're thinking. I used to say that growing up,
but not at the North anu Way, just like that's

(40:56):
my zip code. It's funny we've been getting that lets
into our show. And there was one we were doing
a have About tournament Americ control of the first annual
hand About tournament, but the second one got to put
it off because of COVID. But when Arthorn you had
asked me in a comment section, Hey, what do I
expect if we go down there? I go play the
food and get tired from Brandon the handball. But yeah,

(41:19):
it was like really, really, we're not tripping on you. Yeah,
and even the other homies, Yeah, we would have you
never you know how that means the homies now when
we throw any events we got any place, we make
sure people this is what it is. But we're not
here to be fine. If you want to go go bang,
go to get a gun, go to the streets, senior neighborhood,
don't come to this hood right here. So basically there's

(41:42):
a there's a there's a truce or some kind of
Wherever you're going, they know you're coming an adult understanding. Yeah. Yeah,
my homeboys, the youngsters that came a couple of my
come juncter homeboys that came. I had to tell him,
A homie makes me right, quight, I got you. Yeah,
And there are some youngsters there that you could see,
that could easily that could easily lose their ship. Yeah,

(42:05):
the three seconds from more surprise, how many actual youngsters
are there? There was so it's it's a lot of people.
I was tripped out because truthfully, I didn't even I
don't even see them on the streets anymore. My wife
tells me to My wife tells me, is there really?
We live in the hood, right and I've see my homies.
She doesn't really. Is there really gangs out there? I said, sweetie,
only because we walked away from that life. Those guys

(42:25):
haven't stopped that. So a lot of people just think that, yeah,
that the gang stuff hasn't stopped. Asked him, homicide detective,
it stopped. He's gonna tell you straight up, he's gonna
tang again. It hasn't stopped. The only thing is that
when we grow up out of it, a lot of
us are not there. We're not there. We don't see
it anymore. Me. I live in my neighborhood. I live
in the hood, so I see it. But I've seen
it from this age for this age, and guess what

(42:46):
the outcome, the the glory that we when we were young,
we thought, so, we're gonna join a gang bill sales,
We're gonna join a gang with respect this, we'll go
to prison, We're gonna make money. And then what happens
is when you win the prize and what the prize is.
The prize that eight by twelve. So for the rest
of your life, man, you have to get along with
your enemies in prisons. You have to. You ain't got

(43:08):
no choice. You know this guy, it would have been
one of my homies in joint. That's what's crazy about
that to think, especially when you grow up in Los
Angeles and like the rival gang. But then we get
locked up because in jail it's not just because we're brothers.
It's real racial on prison, at least in California. So
you actually have to have somebody watching your back. If

(43:30):
you ain't got nobody watching your back, trudging, somebody's coming
for you, someone on your back, somebody's coming for your
Tenni shoes. Yeah, we're trying to do this too, because
about ten years ago, fifteen years ago, I wouldn't be
able to do it. I get killed straight up. Times
have kind of changed. I think even us, as essays Mexicans,
we're evolving. We're now finally seeing Wait a minute, When
I was young, there was no homie like us saying

(43:50):
hey homie, don't do that. There was home. That's why,
I mean, how does anybody look at you guys sideways
on it? Are you guys are just so g get
the pass where it's like, hey man, why are you
guys out there talking like this? And even though your
ex bangers, and I think what it is, First of all,
you had to be you had to been a banger
to us. We're like generals. Were generals in the hood
at one point or another, and we got that respect.
So when somebody's got that respect is out there doing that.

(44:12):
The older guys already know that this fools got balls,
and a lot of times people like them do. I
never know, I never know anybody was gonna do this.
So we're like the first actual gang members that are
from southern California doing something like this. And no, we're
getting more and more help. Man, were like the Orange Country.
We got invited. So we get invite to these things
and we go because we're hopefully trying to make it.
Eventually we have a big, huge thing where a lot

(44:32):
of us get there. But my thing is I'm trying
to get Rossa to get politically woke, to start voting,
to start getting into because people say no, voting doesn't
do anything. Listen, brother, Voting tells you how much the
lights caused. Voting tells you how many red lights there is.
Voting tells you how many stop sensors. Voting tells you
how much gas is. Voting tells you everything. But Rassa
don't vote. They just no, it's not for me. It
dictates every part of your life. And I'm trying to

(44:54):
get Roster to get walk and to start voting. I
love that you're doing that. What about doing things and
bulldog terror to Tory up North? Is it something that
American troller can expand it? Because I personally can. I
can see you guys going global with this because what
do you do? Like it's just beyond my I get
chills dog literally think about it because like growing up

(45:16):
where I grew up, you guys look like my cousins
forgot's sex. First off, you know what I mean? And
then it's like I know people like that. So if
I'm looking at Sunday, I'm looking at you like dog.
You guys can relate to every type of neighborhood. The
only difference is the ones up north. The Bulldoggers are
the North. Aier's gonna be like, oh but wait a minute, No,
it's you know what. We we deal with them the

(45:37):
bulldogs too on the comment section. So we have a
lot of faithful UM subscribers from from Fresno, from the bulldogs.
By the way, those are bulldogs from the Central Valley.
If you didn't know that we have. We have a
lot of from all over the place, from different different states,
different sure animals, Latin kings. We have a lot of

(46:00):
par from different people. If you if you my thing too.
I killed trolls a lot of a lot of channels.
They leave the trolls in there because they need to. No,
I don't want to have that conversation. If you've got
nothing to bring to the conversation, I don't want you
in my form. So to me, I don't care who
you are up north, down South. I actually did an
interview with the North Daniel. He's actually a right wing
Republican guy, all tatted down, but he's he's a Northerner.

(46:20):
So I'm reaching out to everybody and anybody. But because
if if I'm talking about making peace and making unity
in southern California, that can make peace in northern California,
that's hypocrisy. Had it's worse with her so to me, No,
to me, it's bringing unity to all the roster, regardless
of from the youth think that could happen, though I've
been with I grew up thinking I would love for
that to happen because we talked to yeh and Blue
was like and we're all saying, we didn't realize that

(46:42):
hatred and and to go gets what you're saying today.
You were saying you thought the Northerners were growing up
to hate the southerns and North. But you guys are
all from the South, saying that I grew up in
the North. And guess what, I too did not know
that there was a hatred towards the South and toil.
I was the same age as you're saying in about
high school. When you get older that to be like,
wait a minute, So it's not like we were raised

(47:04):
that way. And you know, so I and my brother
was in prison when I was six. My this is
my impression is there is no Northeniels down here and
down south. Once you can come down here, we don't
hear it. We don't hear that up there, there is
so there they were, right, and you knew that at

(47:25):
a young age and need not to go over there, right,
What I'm saying that, well, I wouldn't go there. It
was by a park dog. Well because the North Aniels
don't represent on her out there they would represent and
we'd be like, Okay, we aren't going to that neighbor.
We ain't gonna even play. And then we'd have baseball games.
I remember playing at pal little league and we knew
some of the families that come over there and they
were like, oh, those are those cats. And the crazy
part is, this is what that's so stupid. Is just

(47:48):
the same, just like all of us, the same little
put his socks on the same way. And it's like,
why do we act like that? And that's why I
say that up north there more bread raised to not like,
but it's not down here. We don't hear about them
until we're already starting to hit the system, starting to
get busted. That's where we hear about it because other
than that, maybe because they're down there, down maybe, But

(48:12):
what it is is they don't hate northing. They just
hate that gang. But that gang is called that gang
is called North. I hated his gang, his gangles called Elmwood.
It's just a face we put on them. So it's
not that he's so much hate. So they just hate
a certain gang. And when I talk to morth things,
they say, I'm cool with the with the Southern Hispanics downstyle,
but I don't like these guys to hear their prices.
Why because he's because he's an enemy. That's why you
say that. That's the only reason. And it's funny. That's

(48:33):
how I grew up listening to him, and that's what
they've been fair to think. And then to go back
to your your question about unity and all that, I
think that I think we can. I think there is
a route to get because we've all been at that
barbecue all drunk, maybe you twenty some years ago, and
we're all saying we need to get together, we need
to do something. We just yeah, we need we need

(48:56):
to do something. We need to do something for the Rassa,
and we're waking we're saying, no, we're gonna try it.
We're gonna we're gonna tend to actually unify this thing
and make it where there could be something like they have.
We don't have anything like that. And that's that's coming
on the program. That's coming on the show. It's actually
giving us acknowledgement that we're that we're we are spreading
the gospel. You know you guys are I said when

(49:18):
Blue said it to me, my eyes, we both re
borderline tried. Seriously, I'm not joking to you. We're both like, man,
we gotta do some stuff with these kids we're talking
to about the Northenniels. I'm gonna give it a little
touch him. I'm prisoning a little bit. When I got
into corkroom, I was done the level four. The first
thing I did is um, they asked me when you're

(49:39):
coming up to a podium, They asked you, who are you,
Sodennio Northenian. What are your fights h I was like, no,
none of that. Well, they just give me ten years
from being from mom one. So I'm not saying I'm
from anywhere, but nobody give me any any schooling to
know any better. Yeah, you're like, well I gotta claim something.
I'm not claiming nothing. Give me ten and were years.

(50:00):
So they land up. They knew I was set, so
they put me or south sider. So they put me
in the south on the northern tier because I pissed
him off. He thought I was being a smartass. So
when I came out of the yard, we came out
to go to chow, I went up to the older homie.
Ain't got big ass brush everything. Think you know the homie. Hey,

(50:20):
they called me sending from Holmwood. He's like loss, I go, yeah,
he was. Your homeboards are back there. I was like,
whoa crap, that's North End. Yeah. I'm like like, oh
my god. So at the same facility, um, they have
four phones. They have two and two on each side. Um.

(50:40):
And a lot of times the CEOs don't want to
racially segregate, so some you have to go to that
site sometimes, but the sides are segregate. It is Whites
and Mexicans and the blocks and others. So what happens is, UM,
I got my phone call on another side. I want
to go talk to my wife. I go there and

(51:01):
UM I get on the phone and make my phone
call and some black guy who walks up and says,
phone check. Now you got the same time where you're
on your phone, so there is no phone check. That's
county stuff. But when he's telling me phone check, he's
basically trying to punk me. So I'm on the phone
and it was like, I was like, man, so I
tell some white guy they called my homies and this

(51:24):
was phone check, and I'm like, call my homies. So
the guy walks away, but he don't walk away towards
the homies. He goes the other way, and next you know,
I'm getting in there with the black dude and I'm
getting cuffed and I'm getting cuffed. I noticed another hispanic
next to me getting cuffed and he was in North Amil.

(51:45):
There was on the phone next to me, so I'm
thinking maybe he just got caught up. And he was like,
you can tell he got into it too, and I
was like what. He was, Hey, you're still roster to me,
I was like, whoa, because I'm I'm from north but
you're still roster them And a lot of people don't
understand that when on the streets, when you when you're
in there, your race comes first, and then your gang,

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so you know you can, you can actually you're not
association with them. But something really jumps out really bad,
the Northerners will run with the Southerners. In the Southerners
world run with the northern if it really jumps, then
jumps really really bad. And that guy did it. He
jumped for me. Yeah, and I was shocked. I was like, what,
you know, because I'm new into the system, not an
understanding nothing. It's just crazy to think that that system

(52:32):
is so real. And it's like, you know, Craig walks
the streets every single day out there representing for everyone Craig,
and Craig goes out there with his washerman burritos as
he hands out in the neighborhoods and Craig, we just
want to commend you for everything that you do. But
all kids aside, I do want to commend Mark and

(52:52):
Craig Washerman because they do help out a lot of minorities,
not only the Rockside, but Black Asian everyone, and they
take a lot of pro bono cases. So as I'm
being silly, and it's cats like this that help our
communities out. So thank you Mark and Craig for overseeing
what we do wrong and being white privilege. We need

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the token white boy, a couple of Jewish token trying
to Yeah, do you guys know the script? You guys
know the script? High five? No, No, that's the high
five with the script with Mark and Craig Washington, the
Pop Brothers, a lot of don't you guys follow that.
I've seen the little brother the other one on the
other one on some townhouse smoking a big guys blunt. Yeah, yeah,

(53:42):
like damn, he's talking about the law. Don't do this,
don't do that, you know, and then that's the script. Yeah.
So these guys are very well known for the matter
of facts. Can you teach him the script real quick
so then they can go on their podcasts to share
it with everybody. It's the last words you'll ever say
to the police when they first come up on you.
You first you the first thing you say to an
officer is why did you pull me over? If they

(54:05):
don't answer you, and they start asking you questions of
any sort, what are you doing down this road? What
are you doing over here? What are you doing over there?
I'm not discussing my day. If they keep asking you questions,
am I being detained? Am I free to go. If
they say you're being detained, you invoked the fifth and
then you shut the funk up. The more I mean,

(54:26):
we try to explain it if you want. If you want,
we can come on your podcast someday and explain it. All.
All five lines of the script actually have meaning in
the law. So if you stick to it and say
nothing else, we're gonna have so much better of a
time either suing them for illegal conduct for violence. If

(54:51):
you stick to what we say, there's no way they're
gonna be able to say I was afraid for my
life and and like you were saying earlier, we gotta
just time to are you you immic? That's why I thought,
maybe you watch some of it, you you mimicked what
we actually preaches. The it's not you're not gonna win
the argument they give you a red light ticket, you're
gonna argue that it wasn't read. You know, it's the

(55:13):
same thing, And it's just you don't argue there. We're
trying to keep people safe from getting fucking shot in
the back and and ship like that, and it's just
it's it's horrible, and it's horrible that people may have
to to keep safe. They may have to go with
what might be an illegal order if they hold if
they're detaining you for more than like ten minutes, that
haven't told you why they pulled you over, that could

(55:34):
be an illegal detention, right, that's us to argue after
they arrestue. That's the custom. So when you say why
did you pull me over? It starts to have you
know when they have to tell you or how long
they're going to detain you before. That's when you say
you know, and then you never discussed your day. And
if they get upset over you knowing you're right, you're
gonna have a god dark good civil kids. Right, what

(55:57):
I do when I get stopped or used to with
all the mom would you start me for? That? Would
tell me whatever? Start asking me questions right away, And
I was like, are you detaining me? Yeah? I didn't
ask you that. Are you detaining me? And then they
say yes, no, or we're not. We're just talking to you.
I got nothing to say. Call your sergeant, yeah, I

(56:18):
won't talk to him. Yeah, yeah, I won't say a word.
But I think we learned that in the streets. Well,
when I was a kidding, my parents were teaching me that. Well.
Number one was like, don't say nothing to nothing. And
you know, it's funny because I started training my kids
at two prior to the to the proper law on
the way they said, because I'd be like, don't say nothing,

(56:40):
and I realized that my kids literally don't say nothing
like they're like, comes like damn. My sons like, no,
don't say nothing like that, So you gotta say something
they don't. Yeah, And I like, I'd at least telling
your name like they don't. They won't name by s
game the fake name. The other day we just had
my my son just just got this person called with

(57:02):
her iPhone and they were calling her. Um, she wasn't
us head in the pocket, but but teacher seen it,
give me your iPhone. Oh. My dad's a nope, I'm
not giving you method right, and my daughter is not
the fact that disrespect for anything. But she's straight, No,
I'm not giving you another. My dad said, Nope, that's it.
Girls called you dadue like she's good. Well, guys, it's
Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after

(57:24):
this break. That's right. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one
on one. We are live with Sunny and Gil from
American Celo on Instagram, YouTube and all the other fun places.
It's the real American clos guys. You know this is

(57:46):
the favorite part of the show where we get into
what we called the high five. Now check this out
before we do, though, I just want to ask you guys.
Do you guys currently smoke cannabis? I do not know.
I do you do? But does do I have done CBD?
I have smoked before, I have done CBD? I do

(58:09):
U story? Can you please share that story? And how
many days you were twisted? Okay, my son has a friend.
He's like, he's like my second son. His name is
Phelippe Philips. What's up? Philippa gets his job delivering marijuana. Okay,

(58:30):
So I've been hearing about Brownie. I want to try
a brownie. No, not you, yeah, Brownie. I go out
back in the beat, all right. Usually if I smoke weed,
I get really really paranoid, so I don't smoke it.
But edible that was someone coming affects you different, so
I'm not gonna try it. So he comes back, he

(58:51):
gives me a brownie and I eat the stupid thing.
He goes in the house he didn't tell you. Yeah,
I hate the brownie. Next you know, I'm seeing three
D on the TV. I'm seeing three D for three days.
Oh no, I was loaded. Three days later, we went

(59:14):
to Pond Springs to go to the casino. The whole
way i'm driving there, I'm like, oh my god, I'm
still loaded. I'm just like, those things are gonna fly
at you when you can say, oh no. The only
good the only good part about it was one of
the movies I was watching on the first day was
um uh, what's that? The Matrix from Friends, The Real

(59:38):
Pretty blond One um And she had broke up with
her old man, and there's a part where she takes
off her talent show that she's sexy. So she's just
your butts, just walking away. I'm seeing three D. So
I'm like, yeah, girl. But that's about the only good

(59:59):
part about I was tripping. So after that, every once
in a while, they know I love cookies. I eat
all kinds of cookies. So they're coming put peanut butter
in the cookie. I guess to hide the taste. I
get some peanut butter cookies. You want them? Yeah, I'm
on the couch. Oh my god. They're stupid kids like

(01:00:22):
dad and laughing because like you start running the kits
and looking to eat, they're having fun with you, like
they're going for it. That's the funniest ship right there,
to think, let's get dad and that's the big old man,
like okay, I'll eat a cookie. Hell yeah, francalized rhino, right, yeah,

(01:00:42):
you know, yeah, they got me good. Oh that is great. Well,
it's always good to hear stories as we have. Sunny
and Gil from American Troller. You can find them on
Instagram at the Real American Crolo. And it is time
for the high five. I'm gonna say the question. Sunny
from elm would you'll answer first? Gil from North Hollywood boys,
you'll answer seconds. It'll be the same question, just answer

(01:01:05):
it one after another. Question Number one, how old are
you the first time you smoked weed? And where did
you get it from? And eight? I was eight years
old and it was a thirteen year old kid that's
told half a joint from his father. Nice. I was six.
That's good. He got me there. Okay, he took us
in a little in the little club house that we
had weed. Okay, Oh, and you Gil, I was I

(01:01:31):
was eleven years old eighties six uh in the apartment.
Were at one of my buddies had his sister was
in high school. Have upon a ditching party or something
went over there and they passed the joint and I
took a talk and kept smoking after that. Nice. What
is your favorite way to use cannabis? Eat it? That

(01:01:52):
has to be the best with peanut butter. I don't
got to taste it. Yeah, my my favorite way is
a nice joint. There's nothing compared to a nice, beautiful
joint that you roll in or just pack a cone
in there with a nice coroner and we're a rocket.
Sounds like Trump was beautiful. It was great. It was great, great, perfect,

(01:02:14):
the best. It was a great joint. Because everybody said
he just had the perfect joint. Yeah, because everybody said so,
nothing compares to you. Question number three of the high
five was Sunny and Gil of American Cholo. Craziest place

(01:02:35):
you ever used or smoked cannabis? Um in the back
of the garage. There's nothing, nothing, nothing in the back
of car. Hiding from the that's crazy, hiding from the
because back in the day it was more serious. We
got cracked with the joint. You were going to jail
the back of the garage on the car smoke. Yeah,

(01:02:58):
mine was, I guess off as crazy and I was
in jail. I'm going on for parole the next day,
and I'm still talking up an event and I'm smoking
out and the staff comes. Then that hits the window.
I'm like, like like teaching chong over here. Then I
get out and I'm more worried about having a dirty
test because I was smoking while I was bustling instead
of instead of smoking, all was out, So I think
that was the crazy when you get out and before

(01:03:21):
I go out for Pearl, Yeah, well like dam I'm
gonna pass. That's why they want to test you, because
they want to make if you were dirty when he
came out, so when you come back, if you're dirty again.
So I was going through the I was going through
the loop and l A County and I see one
of my homebods green eyes and and and um, you
know there's just an older vent in there and he's

(01:03:41):
walking through the cells and and he's like, hey, hol mey,
come here, And I'm like, what's up. You know, I
don't know what he's thinking, you know what I mean,
But I could read if something's happening right now. He's like,
you know, keep through showing me whatever. Whatever. So I'm
standing there at the door, you know, looking left and right,
and I don't even know what I'm looking for, but
I'm looking out that little window, you know what, and
don't got the window. And I'm just standing there, like

(01:04:02):
you know, I'm literally looking back at him. And he's
sitting on the shipter you know, there's that little half
wall and you know, and when you're going through the loop,
and he's sitting there looking at me, and I'm just
like there and then and he's doing something down there,
and I'm like, okay, he's taking a ship. I'm like, boom,
I'm back and forth. Oh doug. He he pulled out,
he and I know where it came from. I didn't

(01:04:24):
see the whole I didn't see the whole thing, but
I could hear water flapping and ship and all kinds
of things going on. And then all of a sudden,
I'm like, you know, I mean, boom. He stands up
and he's got a perfect little thin, little pinner joint rolled.
Hey dude, it was the littlest joint right. So I'm
standing there in my a my and then yeah yeah

(01:04:48):
really so yeah so really ship we right, So then
I'm looking, but I'm looking. I've got my face in
the window and I'm going through my homeboy Green and
eyes my homeboy Green. I was like, what's up, homes
you know, He's like, what what? What? What's popping? And
I was like, and now I know, we're already getting
ready to smoke a joint, you know, and me and
this floor, you know, trying to communicate, and I'm like,
we're gonna go. Wait a minute, I just see where
he pulled this. I really want to. I'm I'm knuckles

(01:05:11):
deeping and ready. I'm ready to go. And it's already happened.
That just got there. I just got there. So so
he's looking at me, and I got working a smoke
a joy right now, you know, and he's like, oh,
wait a minute, waiting. He comes and he's sprayed under
the door, you know, a bunch of that stuff, you know, sprayed,
and we smoked that joint, you know, and and then um,

(01:05:33):
you know, I never seen my homeboy after that because
I got sent to wherever I was going. I just
we lost each other. Five years later, that phone calls
me back and goes, b oh, you know, I got
fucking I got busted for you guys. I said, what
do you mean? He said, well, when I went and
sprayed everything, you know, and then you guys left that
that hall, they smelled the weed and they knew that

(01:05:54):
I was trying to cover for you. They knew they
were covered for you. I had a good job, bro,
they threw me and fucking you know, back in the
I started all over. I had to start all over.
I had a good job in the county and I
lost it. Because you feel good about that blue, Yeah,
I know. I said that wasn't my fault. That that's
your fault, homeboy's and I didn't actually do it. It
was your idea. Number five I bought myself. How about

(01:06:16):
number four? Number four? Mark? Wasn't that show? The best
part of the show is here. We will be set story.
We are here with American Cholo, Sonny and Gil. Are
you ready for question numbers? Sir? Hi five? Hi five?

(01:06:37):
What are your go to munchies when you get high?
I think everyone gonna answer cookies? Cookie, cookies. Do anybody
say you kind of look like the cookie monster? To okay,
cookie might go to munchies here ping you hear the

(01:07:01):
ding ding man going around? He got soft ice cream,
he got naturals. Man, that's the best one. You got
to live in the hood. You know this. You know
you don't hear. That's how they're calling for us. Hello, everything,

(01:07:22):
ice creams, t shirts, balls, everything, They got everything but
webst brutal. No, we don't have those. It is now
time for question number five. And I gotta tell you, guys,
Sonny Gil, you're sucking a lot cooler than Craig said.
You guys are gonna be Who were these two totals? Joe?

(01:07:45):
Are they your cousins might gonna show up? They might
have yeah, Pit actually say when they walked in, Pitt goes, hey, Joe,
your cousins are here today bringing bring your cousins. They're
looking for money. That's a better what you told me. Well,
that was one. I asked him for the trailer, where's
our trader, thinking I'm a big star coming on my

(01:08:05):
heart and he tells me, oh, it's under my desk
and there's a there's a down there like that. He said,
all right, here we go on like well and they go,
you know, your tiewark type of guy, like, why I
figured whatever. You're asking for a fucking trailer. I'll give

(01:08:26):
you a trailer if you think we've got a trailer
for you foot trailer. Question number five, I'm sorry, Craig
that we're having a good time. My bad. Maybe we
should just get right to the questions and not laugh.
Let's keep it trading face. Let's keep it straight face
for the fucking boot over there. All right, here we go.
Question number five. You're hear in the background getting twisted.

(01:08:49):
Can we get to it enough? Trollo talk around here?
You know what? Joe, Wait, wait till wait till I
get in there. You know, hey, funny thing is when
the Jewish guys were on here. You want to talk
all night? Hey, let's talk about harneka candy. That's candles together.
When you let your candle, you go from the right
or the left. Then afterwards are I can't we light

(01:09:12):
each other's candles? He my yamaka got chorn. You gotta
su your track, lose the one who said it. I'm
just bringing up the things that I heard. Yeah, but
now it means the story when I got stopped by
the cops when I was sixteen. Please do yes, here.

(01:09:33):
It was a good one. Can tell us about it
was most most? Question number five and the high five.
Let's hear number five. Tell your story, Craig, Yeah, your head,
go ahead. Never five? High five. Oh, we're having such

(01:09:54):
a good time with these two clos. And I'm not
kidding because they are the American cholos on YouTube and
on Instagram. Is the real American trollers. It's sunny and Gil.
Question number five, if you could smoke cannabis with anyone
day are alive, who would it be? I have to
be Fluffy? Who I would have to have to do

(01:10:15):
with that? Let me hit Fluffy up because I would
just no, no, just because imagine you being high and
playing around with that dude. How bad he would get?
Oh he'd be funny, funny, funny. You know he gives
some questionable things too, but he'd be funny. He's a
funny dude right there. Yeah, I love I would love this.

(01:10:36):
I would actually get hyped just to do it with him,
Like Blue's gonna get a card on a big homie.
What do you got, Gil? Who would it been? You
know what? I don't even think about this one. I
think I probably want to smoke a Barack Obama. Man,

(01:10:56):
I think I think Barack would let it on. Louisen
just come out and be a cool player, cool brother
man like he is. Man, I think, well he already
smoked before you know, we already heard that. He's like
one more time, Okay, Bill Clinton? Yeah, I think Hill
this time that would be a good ones. Those are
those are both good ones. So thank you guys so much. Man,
is there anything you guys want to plug before we
let you guys go? Uh sunny Americ Control on Instagram

(01:11:20):
and uh boo boo w boo boo w that American
Americ Control over after our third party Umo Americ Control.
You know, I'm so confused. He's still smoking. He's still smoking.
He throw me all out from Boo boo Americ Control

(01:11:41):
on Instagram. Shout out to boom other than that much.
Want to thank you guys so much, thank the brothers
for havings on and hopefully we have you guys on
and uh just thank you guys. Man a great time
in your whole crew. Man, watch on YouTube. Watch you
and when you watch it, the good thing is you
won't get shot, so it's good show. You're gonna watch

(01:12:05):
it in four d like when you're at that brownie. Well,
there it is. Guys, Cannabis Talk one on one Remember
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