Jill Carreiro, Vice President at Orange Photonics

Orange Photonics™, creator of LightLab, a liquid chromatography-based portable cannabinoid analyzer, designed for the average user. LightLab measures 19 cannabinoids and semi-quantitative terpenes in 20+ sample types including plant material, concentrates, and infused products. LightLab’s Hemp Compliance Module quantifies THC content down to .05%, over ten times lower than the federal threshold of 0.3%. Orange Photonics’ analytical instrumentation serves the needs of the cannabis industry, counting cultivators, extractors, departments of agriculture, law enforcement, universities, testing laboratories, infused product producers, and regulators among its customers. Be sure to check out their website www.orangephotonics.com & also tap into their IG @orangephotonics to start taking matters into your own hands folks!

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the way they're doing it, folks, is just unbelievable in
a way where even the most non technical users like
Blue and Eye will find this process so easy to follow.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Apparently we're gonna find out we do call it stupid
proof this out today.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Besides this, Now, that lovely voice you just heard is
Jill Carey.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Roll.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Oh, come on, you can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Hold on, hold on, Carrero.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
I'm married. The name I was a sawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
First sawyer would have been way easier. He was years
all right, Well he did the ten year story.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's your single.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
We've done all that. Vice President, you guys of Orange Potonics.
Orange Potonics is the company the creator of light Lab,
a liquid chromotography based portable cannabinoid analyzer designed for the
average user. And this just, folks, got approved by the FDA.
It's official, Like a referee with a whistle. You're gonna

(02:07):
be seeing these orange boxes all over I'm wearing the
orange beani on top of my head.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Because I know this is gonna blow up.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Light Lab measures nineteen cannabinoids and semi quantitative terpenes in
twenty plus sample types including plant material, concentrates, and infused
products and blue already read on their press release today.
It only takes about ten and a half minutes, so
less than eleven minutes to get all this shit done,
you guys. Light Labs HEMP Compliance module quantifies THIGHTC content

(02:39):
down to ready for this point zero five percent. Now
that's even ten times more lower than the federal threshold
which we've all heard the point three. This is now
point zero five Wow. Orange Potonics, you guys, and Photonics
excuse me. Photonics Analytical Instrument serves the needs of the
cannabis industry and all the police departments who we getting

(03:02):
counting cultivators, extractors, departments of agriculture, law enforcement, universities, testing laboratories,
infused products, producers and regulators, amongst its consumers and the customers.
Make sure you guys check out the website at Orangephotonics
dot com. That's O R A n G E P
H O T O n I c s also tap

(03:25):
into the ig same thing Orange Potonics to keep photonics.
Why not keep saying poe because I see pH I
want to see an f for God's.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
You're you're in the mood for some good Vietnamese soup.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
You know what, I could use some fu. That's what
I'm probably saying. The soup. That's exactly what it is.
I and I do love that type of soup. Without
further ado, you guys, please welcome and make some noise
for our next guest.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Who has ready for this.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Five kids, three dogs, two cats, two fish, and a lizard.
And she graduated from Arizona State. We're a bachelors and
bioengineering as she specializes in both bio materials and biochemicts.
He's a smarty pants right here.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Give what up you guys for Jill in.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
The buildings, for having me. I really appreciate you having.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
No We appreciate you coming here, Jill.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
And uh, you know I read that on LinkedIn about
all the family stuff that you just updated as you
took a picture with our dude dot Teddy too.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Gumb Man Teddy has got a smile.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
For the day.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
They took a picture together where they were smiling together.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was so cute.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Now I'm a busy woman. I'm a lucky woman. I
started on a mission to have a whole bunch of great,
amazing children. I got them, and I'm on a whole
different mission now.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
And company, because as I looked at your LinkedIn, you've
been around.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
You've been engineering for a lot. You're a chemists.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Basically, you sit there and you nerd out and you
geek out a little bit. What made you get into
that field?

Speaker 6 (04:51):
I was always like the stoner with the nerds, and
now I'm like the nerdiest one with the stoners.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Ah, but I'm still.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
The same Jill. Yeah. I mean I've always been as
an engineer interested in like technologies like this, So I've
always worked for companies that made really cool technology, disruptive technology,
shit that people went you can't use that, that that
isn't as good as that other one that's bigger and
requires the chemist. And I've been doing this for the

(05:19):
pharmaceutical industry and for food agroscience industry for kind of
like twenty years now. That's that's basically what I've been
doing is working with really cool scientific companies like Thermo
Fisher and Shimadzu, companies like that Ragaku.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
That are big Monster companies. Monster Company like that company.
Every hospital ever, doctor's office they have.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
They are the number one scientific company in there.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
So every time you go to a hospital doctor's office,
you don't realize it, you're seeing their products.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
And I've been acquired by them twice, really really, so yeah,
and it's all about the ways that you know, teams
that I've been able to work with have brought technologies
like light Lab to the forefront of a problem that
existed or was coming and needed a solution that was accessible, accurate,
and on point. And that's what light Lab is. And
so it's just let's do it again. Hell yeah, they

(06:10):
don't let me travel with the solvent, which is why
you know I'm working with empty I'm working with empty
bottles there. But yeah, I mean I've been working.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
You can talk about it because I mean seeing that
literally today the article just broke. That's on high time.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So props out to your company, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Then the press release just came out. You guys obviously
been working on this for who knows how long months or.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Years, years. No, No, let's not sell this short, Okay.
So the work that we're doing now with the FDA
and with customs and border protection. That's at the end
of a very long road. Light Lab was invented by
a guy named Dylan Wilkes, who's still at the tip
of the sphere in our company. He's still developing new
shit every single day. He's our CTO seven years ago.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right, he started seven years ago.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Seven years ago. Right, we have almost one thousand teams
using light Lab. Now, this is this is something that's
really been well established in the industry. That said, we've
been making it better and better every year, so it's
way better now than it was seven years ago. I
look at the people that were with us seven years
ago and I'm like, thank you, thank you, because it
was not nearly as awesome as it is now. But

(07:12):
first and foremost, we weren't a solution for law enforcement.
We were a solution for hemp farmers. Right, the folks
that that number, that point three percent, their whole livelihoods
depended on not going hot. They needed something. They needed
a solution that they could go out to the field
with and they could analyze their own crop to make
sure that when the apartment of bag came in the

(07:32):
next ten days, they are going to have a hot
test good time.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
So that's literally why you guys created that was for the.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
First like one hundred and something boxes went to the
hemp farmers across the United States, and.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
That saves them millions of dollars.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
And lets them go to sleep at night.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah seriously, I mean because they test hot, they chop
it and it's trash.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
That's it. That's it. And so it really we moved
from kind of that hemp industry into you know, adult
use cannabis that's what we call it, like commercial cannabi industry,
and then definitely formed relationships with cannabis control commissions and
law enforcement groups. But really it's that adult use cannabis
commercial population where well over sixty five percent of the

(08:14):
light labs that are out there are being used by
craft farmers, by mid scale farmers, and by nine of
the top ten msco ohs use fleets of light labs.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well the beauty is too, it's the size of a
decent sized briefcase. I mean, you think of testing a product,
you think it has to be some massive machine.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Or you have to take it to a laboratory.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
People, And this doesn't suffice as a test for the
state now, but at least it gives them before they
know what you're taking to the state.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
I'd make a pretty strong argument that if all you're
doing is the state release test, you might not be
here in a few more years, right, right, This is
not about replacing that test. It will be I mean,
there's a reason why the FDA and all the Cannabis
Control missions like we are doing all the stuff, just
like I did those other companies to make this a
standardized technology with AOAC and ASTM standards. We're part of

(09:05):
those committees and we're very, very active in making sure
that in the future this is a solution for those
industy you'll.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Do the other labs that blues mentioning. Are those labs
FDA approved?

Speaker 6 (09:16):
I don't think they are, right, So the FDA doesn't
act like that, right they. When you're talking about a
laboratory in the United States, usually what you're looking for
is ISO compliance seventeen oh twenty five certified compliance, and
that basically you can put and there are many seventeen
oh twenty five certified cannabis testing labs that use light
lab in their lab as part of their business. Right,

(09:37):
but you probably wouldn't build a lab based on light
labs because you can't hook an auto sampler to the
front of this thing. Right, that's the advantage of why
a laboratory would use a bench top, more complicated system,
because they're also going to employ the chemist. The advantage
of the box is not really that it can be portable. Yes,
that's that's awesome. They live in the they live in

(09:58):
the mail jails on the hills of Willets, and they
are in you know, extraction rooms and they get moved
around on carts in verticalized facilities there. It's amazing to
be portable. But really the key is that it's robust
as hell and anyone can use it. Like it's when
I said, stupid proof. There's a whole lot going on
in the box that differentiate it from like a traditional technology,

(10:23):
because Dylan Wilkes, the inventor, was a genius and he went,
how the hell do we make this thing work when
stoners are driving it, when when people who aren't chemists,
who aren't scientists, are trying to get and it starts
with that, right, That's a big part of it is
that that's like the where all the magic happens, called
a selective separation column.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Well, Jill, let's take a break real quick, come back,
and you're going to walk us through it and see
how gumbproof it is, because gummies can follow through and go, wow,
that's pretty simple, and if their listeners can go that
sounds real easy. Jill, Let's figure out how much these
costs and let's order one for the lab. You can't
just talk what I want right back after this break.

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(11:45):
talkmagazine dot com and subscribe now Jill, your product looks amazing.
Let's hear how it works. You said it starts with this, like.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Walk back to the block, It starts with this.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, if we want to do a lab test right now.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
No doubt. Yeah, let's talk about that. And it really
does start with this. This is where all the cannabinoids
are separated.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Right.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
There's some other technologies out there in the world that
they don't have this thing, but this is where the
magic happens. This is where it goes from a big
lump of cannabinoids into twenty different cannabinoids. We separate each
in every cannabinoids.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Are you just putting a butt in there? Are you
putting a leaf in there?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
So this is how it works. Let me show you
how it works, right, Okay, So the first thing you're
gonna do following through on the steps. Light Live always
tells you what steps to follow. But the first step
is give me some sample. And it says, give me
a certain amount of sample. If it's flower, it's gonna
want like three hundred milligrams, like a third of a gram.
If it's a concentrate, because that has more cannabinoids, it
needs less. So you just follow along. There's like a

(12:38):
full workflow on there. You say, what do I want
to test? Yeah, I want to test plant, I want
to test concentrate, I want to test me, I want
to test yeah, I want to test the chocolate. I
want to test a soda. Or you just follow through
the buttons and it says, okay, now take a third
a gram of butt and grind it up and then
put it in one of these vials. Okay, right onto

(12:59):
a scale and then it says, okay, add some solvent,
and so you pull solvent from these little bottles with
a syringe. It it's step by step, I mean, seriously
dummy proof to the point where we have a pro
mode because you get so sick of it being dummy proof,
where it just comes up with all the screens because
after you do five or ten tests, you're like, holy shit,
this is so easy. And that's really the point, because

(13:21):
it has to be that easy. But the easiness again
is it's driven by the fact that all of the
engineering is there so that it is really robust. This thing,
this column thing where I said, all that separation happens
in one of the expensive versions, like in a scientific
one of the ones that like Thermo makes or this
thing is like huge and skinny, and you have to

(13:45):
treat it like a baby. It costs about two thousand
dollars and you have to really take care of it
and maintain it. This is a disposable item in ours. Wow,
you run twenty five, you beat the shit out of it,
and then you throw it away and then, because maintaining
the column for accuracy is not realistic in our world.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Change it.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, so you just change out the column after twenty
five runs. Light Lab tells you how to do.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
It, doesn't for sure?

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean I can simple it says it on there. Now,
I think I have sixteen runs left on this call,
on that call, and.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
So you know, let's let's keep su sure.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Sure, so you have at that point, you'll have like
a bunch of green bud and solvent in your right,
ground up bud and solvent inside this file and you
put it on this shaker and light Lab times that
you see that's shaking. Maybe the microphone picked that up.
And it's basically doing extraction, right, We're always talking about
extraction in cannabis. But it's sucking the cannabinoids that solvent

(14:40):
is pulling all the cannabinoids out of whatever sample that is.
So if it's a gummy, if it's a blue gummy,
the solvent turns blue. If it's really fresh baby plants,
it looks like mountain dew. And then you take a
syringe and you inject it. You see that little white
port over here, I'm going to kind of walk up. Yeah, yes,
use one of these syringes and you inject some of

(15:02):
that sample in there, and that's it. And that injection again,
that's a whole thing that we've dummy proofed as well,
because normally as scientists, you think of a scientists, they're
using pipe pits and they're being all careful. No way,
that's impossible. That's almost impossible in the lab too, So
we do this crazy thing where we overfill a sample
loop and makes it so you cannot mess it up,
and then cannabinoids. The chromatography does its work from there.

(15:25):
It is a three minute sample prep. So you're adding
sample to the vial, you're adding solvent into there, you're
shaking it, and then you inject and from there light
lab does its thing. It's eight minutes.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Where's that little thing that you told me.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
That is that on the column?

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, it's right here.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
That's right there already. Okay, so that just goes there.
You don't put anything in that column, Nope.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
So the light lab basically has a whole bunch of
pumps and stuff underneath there, and once you make the
injection into that injection port, light lab carries that sample
through and then it actually transverses down the column. And
here's a great analogy, right, think back to high school.
A good thought, maybe a bad thought. He was the
players in the room. Imagine you've got to get to
the other end of the hallway before the bell rings, right,

(16:09):
and the hallway is full of people. Well, each kid
passing through the hallway is a different cannabinoid, right, And
if you're a nerdy kid, you just go right through
the hallway really fast, zoom, you are CPGA. But if
you're like mister cool and you're talking to everybody as
you moved down the hallway, your THHCA. Every cannabinoid has

(16:32):
a different ellution time is what that's called. So they
come out of the bottom of the column at different times,
and then they get measured by a couple of differenttectives.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yep, yeah, And you guys, that was a great analogy
and you guys measure nineteen different cannabinoids.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
It's actually twenty now, but that twentieth is kind of
a secret, so I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
You can't talk about that.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
You know, it's kind of awesome that we work with
some of the leading edge genetic you know, breeders of
cannabis in the country and they are working on some
amazing stuff and cannabinoids that nobody is talking about.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, that's not I love. Yeah, that's the thing that
we talk about when it's still infinite of what it
can do, Like we don't know.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
We test so few molecules, I mean, never mind the
fact that there are so many things that we do.
We talk about terpenes, and we talk about cannabinoids, but
we don't talk about flabinoids. We don't talk about all
these molecules that as a scientist, as a consumer, as
a biologist, it's a full picture thing, man. And yeah,
we have a lot to learn. That's what I'm most
excited about where we are right now.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Excuse me to your professional opinion is is is cannabis medicinal?

Speaker 6 (17:41):
I think all cannabis is medicinal, even if you're just
using it to have fun. Yeah, fun is therapy.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, And what as you said, the cannabinoids twenty, is
there quote unquote the bigger ones it tests for the
like I can only imagine that THC is going to
be mandatory for these borders, right, like, oh, you're bringing
something over, so we need to know.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
We kind of break them into subsets. So it's a
good question. Like we have like module like chunks of cannabinoids.
That's how we look at them. So we have like
the majors, which are like THHC A and D nine
and things like that, CBDA, and then we have minors,
so then you're moving into things like CBN, right, cbna,
things like that. And then we have converted or synthetic cannabinoids.

(18:27):
So those are things like thhco, HHC, D eight cannabinoids
that exist potentially naturally in a plant, but not the
way we consume them. Sure, Like every way we've we
consume D eight or HHC or thhco, it's been chemically
converted from usually cvq so delta.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
It's really it's a it's a it's not natural.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
It's a no. No, I mean it can, it can
occur really really tiny amounts naturally. But why we have
Delta eight in the United States is because people grew
way too much hemp a few years ago, right, And
then that hemp sat in warehouses for a very long time.
Some of it was converted to CBG extract and just
sitting around, and a lot of really smart folks chemists

(19:14):
themselves decided and figured out like, wow, we can use
a process that's kind of like making lemonade. It's pretty straightforward,
simple chemistry process to turn that into a molecule called
D eight, and D eight it's so similar to D nine, right,
It's really very chemically similar in how our body. And
so that's why we have D eight. It's because it

(19:35):
was easy to make from CBG and it's federally legal, right,
because it slides into like a big ol' wie loop.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of good things that happened in
the gray area.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Yeah, I mean, And that's the thing. We it's such
a strange time because I believe in capitalism. I believe
in consumerism, but I believe in safety. That's like the
hardest thing for safe Delta eight and it's so easy
to make that there's plenty of Delta eight out there
that I don't believe is safe. And it's not that

(20:10):
the Delta eight is unsafe inherently, it's that most people
aren't using what's called separative chromatography to make their Delta eight,
which is a way to like no, I just talked
talk about how they come out of here separately. You
can like cut off. You can use a big one
of these and like cut off, oh, between Delta eight
and Delta nine. Stop it. If you do that, you

(20:31):
can just have Delta eight. But the problem is, we
tested like thousands of Delta eight products and almost all
of them have Delta nine, guys, because it's really hard
to not make a little Delta nine. When you make
Delta eight, sometimes you have twenty five percent Delta nine.
And so that's like kind of the weird room. And
I think there's just so many people that are still

(20:52):
learning about cannabis and coming into their first cannabis experiences,
especially you know, I just write a study people sixty
five and above. They're like they're the number one group
jumping in Yeah, and when they see the words hemp
derived associated with a Delta eight product. I would prefer
that my granny starts our cannabis path on something that

(21:12):
I know is naturally a naturally.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
And do you think hemp derived is a better start?

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I think the words hemp derived are abused.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it's because there's a psychoactive effect from the Delta
eight and then and and so you think that you're
not going to be getting as high because that's what
the story and the words going around.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Then all of a sudden, you hit this Delta eight
and you're just bamed.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
We just have a whole lot of education room to fill.
But there's just the amazing capitalistic nature of the United
States has made it so that there's product everywhere. You
can kind of get it everywhere, and the slipperiness of
the laws make it so that you really can get
access to kind of anything anywhere, which, hell, yeah, go
twenty twenty three. But I'm also like a little concerned.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, the wrong person gets it thinking that they're going
to go for a slow ride and it turns into
be a fast one.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Yeah. And I'm a mom, right, like, I don't I
don't like gummis that look like shit that my kids
would eat. I don't think they probably put it in
their mouth.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
They're going, oh, what what is it? So Jill, being
a scientist and a bio expert with everything that you've
been doing for years and having the history of working
with major companies that do this, As you look at
this THC and I hear what you're saying, is there
a breakdown of categories of what would be better for
you to use for your own body? Is like these THCs,

(22:26):
these cbdsc like is there, like these ones are the best?
Those are secondary? Those are like what is your scientific proof? Say?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Oh, man, well, no, I'm I'm definitely not even going
to approach that because that would make me not a scientist.
If I just threw that shit against the wall, I
would say, though my personal belief, Okay, Right, there's plenty
of scientific evidence to show which cannabinoids are good for
you in different ways. Right, I believe the focus on
really high THC cannabis is contrary to what most people's

(22:59):
end up cannabinoid systems is really asking for. And most
of us would be better with what is called a
type two plant, type one all THC. Right, that's what
we all smoke every day. Yeah, Type three is hemp.
Type two is a balance, and those went away, but
they're coming back. Really, Yeah, definitely. And there's a whole trend,
like you can go to certain parts of the nation

(23:20):
and people buy really nice smokable hemp and blend. They
make their own thirty seventy blends stuff like that, and
I see a trend. There's a lot of great genetics
companies get right. Yeah. And it's not just that it's
less THHC, guys, it's the balance of the other cannabinoids
that are in there. Just a little bit of CVC. Man,

(23:42):
I am.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Your body with more of the medicine so to speak. Yeah,
that's within the plant rather than just going super high
THC because I just want to be high.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Well, I think it's a bang for the buck. I
think it's a natural tendency as consumers that we have
so much money and we think that's the value. But
I like to kind of retrains people's minds to go
for total cannabinoids, Like how many different types of cannabinoids
can you get in your weed outside of THHC. That's
the question to ask yourn ext blunt tender. Do you

(24:12):
have a do you have a variety with more than
three cannabinoids listed on the CoA? That's the question to
ask your blood tender and.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
How many cannabinoids can one get.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
I look for strains that have four four cannabinoids. Usually
that's my you know, go THHC of course THHC, A
CBG a CBC and like sometimes like depending on what
you're looking for, CBN is usually something that most people aren't, right, yeah,

(24:44):
but it's in in cannabis. It can signify some bad things,
like the cannabis has gone too long, But also like
if that's the medicine that your body likes, who cares?
Like the plant made it eventually and that's what you're consuming.
So I would always be interested in a variety that
like had a little bit of that. But definitely I'm
always searching for that. But it's a measure of terpenes too,

(25:05):
right Like, And that's that's an important conversation to have
as well, is do you have a when you smell something?
When you smell the nose nose when you smell your cannabis,
are you having a specific reaction or you know, relationship
with terpenes that are there. And that's a big part
of your experience with cannabis and how the nose nose.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
When you smell and you don't like it you don't
want to smell it, yeah, or.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Like if you're like good, I like it.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah, when you're a pining fan, or like I'm an
osumine fan, right, like my man makes fun of He's like, oh,
that you're gonna like that one because that's osuman He
knows exactly which one. I like it because yeah, tell
and that it makes it makes me happy every time.
You know, there's certain things that do it for you.
So there's there's so much to learn.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Though I've been asking for the giggly for a long time.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
You've been asking for the giggly specifically.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, I want something like can you make that though?
I mean, yeah, you think.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
I think there is some subset of cannabinoid balance and
turpings that definitely makes Blue giggle. And he needs to.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Find we're younger, Like, I could totally relate to what
he's saying because when we were younger, I remember getting
high to And here's what I've never even said this
when you mentioned this, I'll never forget being with my boys.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And he goes watch out for the dead.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Bird and he hits them up with the roof and
we're high in the car and I just thought it
was the funniest shit ever. I'm in high school, and
I laughed so hard because there's no dead birds.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Up in the air.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
First off the funny line, and he just hits the roof,
like we just hit.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
A dead bird.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
And I giggled so hard and we're stone and it's
just stupid. But don't you hear some stupid the funniest
thing ever.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, you can't stop laughing, that uncontrollable laugh, you know,
because I feel like a lot of the cannabis.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Sometimes i'll hit it. I might get paranoid.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Depending on what I'm dealing with, I might feel tired
or just not thinking quick enough. Sometimes I'm very sharp
and I'm like, this is awesome. I want to work,
you know, And I go through these different emotions, but
I don't know, you know, And then it sucks because
I might smoke something and be like, oh, that's you
know whatever, O g cush and and I loved it.

(27:11):
The next time I smoke it, it's not the same,
and that's it's close to the same, And then I'm
already they're called the same, and they're.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Called whatever they want to be called, and it's like
they're just.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Calling there's very few rules to prevent you from renaming
something in most systems.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Okay, are they going to change that or no?

Speaker 6 (27:28):
No, I mean I look to I mean a lot
of people there's mixed feelings about like a federal cannabis state,
but I look to a federal cannabis state, mostly because
I believe in the power of science that will come
with federal cannabis state, and that like, we could have
more answers to these questions guys, that we do. But
right now we have this crazy patchwork of state by state,

(27:49):
you know, control and regulation that gives us zero insight
to what's being grown from one to the next, because legally,
you can't really get the job done from one to
the next, right You've got to do a lot of
back ended stuff. So we're in a place now where
we're still even as thirty four states main legal and
all this greatness happening, we're still in place where we're

(28:09):
totally ignorant to things like this. And like I believe,
there's lots of groups that are working towards like amazing
science to try to capture that. If something's called white widow,
what's the genealogic, what's the structure at a DNA level.
What what you know? It's it's different ways. You can chemotype,
you can phenotype, you can look at the plant in

(28:33):
different ways in a biological structure. And it's a very
traditional scientific way of looking at a plant. Right, We've
just never done that, like with cannabis, and frankly, like
the strains that we all dig, the most popular strains
across the nation, they come from a really small subset
of of seeds of gene of the gene pool, and

(28:54):
I look forward to when it's a way bigger subset.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
When Blue mentions that how he smokes an O gene,
it affects him one way and then tries to get
it again the next day, and it doesn't. Does that
have to do as well with his own blood type,
body type and everything else too, Like anything we all consume.
You guys can smoke this. We could all smoke the
same exact thing, but wouldn't affect us all differently.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, even even though you just said sometimes things give
me anxiety. Right, that's and danamite, I'm gonna mess up
what that's called, but that's basically the molecule in your
body that either makes you high but sometimes depending on
your own makeup, that's what your body releases when you
get cannabinoids and damie and so. But sometimes that makes
people look really paranoid and gets all sorts of anxiety

(29:39):
depending on how much your body releases. And that's relating
to the weed, and that's related to how much you
ate and drank and all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
A lot of feel that way.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I mean, so I used to I used to smoke,
you know, blunts and everything, right, bong whatever, and you know,
I didn't really have that problem. And then I got
to a certain age and then i'd smoke and it's
just like you know, and I just sit in a
room and I wouldn't feel paranoid and more anxiety, like just.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
When is this going to be over? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I feel so stressed out and I'm like, what the
hell is this?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
You know?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
And then sometimes I'll smoke and it's just I love it.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And so I've learned to do it, just smoke a
little less and then and then okay, I like this one,
and then I could.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Smoke more of it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can smoke as much as I want, but if
if if I just indulge and I start hitting it
and don't wait for the little effect to hit me.
Then I'm in a bad place and I don't want
to be there, you know, so it bothers me.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
But one thing I want to ask you is this
is because you have I.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Think I look into the future more than most people,
because you're intelligence and the things scientists that you've been
working on.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
When or is it everyone to be federalized? One one
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Speaker 4 (30:52):
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I have another question locked and loaded. I have so
many more before we get to the high five with you,
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(31:48):
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Speaker 6 (31:57):
Happy Birthday Erica.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
But you know, Blue is right, you do have a
different perspective insight on this because you get to see
all these cannabinoils from different states to different areas climate
control and can see this. What is your insight on
that federal standpoint, I mean the FDA just to prove

(32:20):
your guys' products. So you're kind of in there like
swim where you're working with the government hand in hand.
And this isn't the first time you personally have been
a part of a project with.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
The FGA time, so so you're in there.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
You get what it takes to get things to that
major global or at least country late level. And it's
a great question for Blue to astro. I would love
to hear your insight on where you think it's going.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
The momentum is there. Now, I would never pin something.
I mean, Donald Trump was elected a couple of years ago,
so you never know what's going to happen, right, Like,
I would never pin a decision like that, like, oh, yeah,
two years it's going to happen. But I can tell
you over the path last six to nine months, I've
been banging on the FDA door, so to speak, for

(33:07):
a solid two plus years, two and a half years
with this box in hand with the solution in which yeah,
well and these were like trusted relationships. I was like,
what's up, guys, I'm telling you there's a problem here, right,
there's a there's a big picture situation that you should
probably invest in. And it was really only up until

(33:28):
like six months ago when it felt from like our
commercial perspective that the D eight converted cannabinoids market was
really like boom and boom. And that's when they really
decided to kind of take a role and so and

(33:49):
they that came on the back of like half a
dozen warning letters that they issued. The thing about the
FDA is they don't mess with stuff unless you make
health claims and a lot of people started making way
too many health claims about DA and CBD and things
like that, and that's when the FDA starts getting o's
on it. And then a couple of kids got sick,
really sick from eating way too many gummies that you know,

(34:10):
people didn't package up correctly, didn't put away safely as
parents should do, and that gets the attention of the FDA,
and that momentum alcohol doesn't shit, right, Like I can't,
I can't open half of my packages, right, But like
we all had access, Yeah, we all had access to
that ever clear whenever we wanted it. It's it's totally fucked,

(34:34):
but separate story and separate conversation. But I do see
a level of momentum happening and kind of organized attitude
about the global and international cannabis market. Right to give
that insight. You want to know what the FDA will
utilize light lab with. Really, it's package screening, guys, right,

(34:57):
and it's inbound international package screening. Let the cat out
of the bank. You can read that anywhere, really, But
the goal here is to make sure that as the
United States cannabis industry grows, that there aren't massive crazy
shipments of crazy synthetic cannabinoids and shitty cannabis matched or
great cannabis match with fake coas. That's that's the goal

(35:18):
of this the ft.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
They just pull one tested now and here you go boom.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, and that's the big one that we need. Because
what she's saying is so like you don't even think
of being so crucial because oh, it would be great
to have as international candidate. But yeah, but let's not
forget which I for some weird reason, I forgot about
the criminals out there. They're gonna send all the bad
shit and make a fucking shitload of money.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Why do we think we have a five hundred dollars
pound here in California?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, this is just flying.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
It's because there's sixty percent taxes and there's way too
many people that grow cannabis on license.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know what about you know products, because I know
a lot of people that are claiming to get their products,
whether it's CBD or t HC FDA approved. Is that
something that I mean, I've never seen there.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
They do not approve products cannabinoid based products, certainly not
THHCA products because they're federally illegal. They are just starting
to give more information around how they're going to approach
CBD products. They've definitely said Dad is not allowed anymore.
You know, Das put their foot down around that one too.

(36:25):
I just think they're right now. There's a scientific trend,
especially on the backs of psilocybin and psychedelics. You know,
there are now almost forty national studies, government funded studies
for psychedelics happening in the United States. These are like
millions and millions of dollars. That to me is more
a sign of like where things are going. That's great.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
So you think psychedelics are going to be plant medicine first.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
No, but I do think there's a momentum behind understanding
the power of plant medicine right with real scientifics.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I agree how it's coming with mushrooms, and because that psilocybin,
it is just I just had a conversation yesterday with
Jimmy Diamonds.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Jimmy Diamonds was the one who posted this video that
we just posted on our Instagram of a man who
has Parkinson's and this and that, and my brother as
well did some psilocybin and did this whole ritual thing.
And it's just been mind blowing to see the benefits
people are having from it. Meillion with doctor Thomas Kenemy
helping you get off hardcore drugs of Kenemy.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Absolutely in PSD PTSD studies, and you know the ability
of you know, psychedelics to help people exit a lot
of like really traumatic moments in their lives and heal
at a really core level. That's I believe that's why
we're humanity is having this like really high impact engagement
with these plants. At this level, the government and nose.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
School people are going to freak out off it too,
because like those who got the whole Nancy Reagan motto
and the KOKOOI of seeing one dude, you know, shroomed
out of his mind somewhere and he just did too much.
Those are scarring images for anybody to deal with, which
I get, but they need to realize, go to that
alcohol person that you've seen doing too much of anything

(38:07):
can ruin anything.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
For that.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
If you want to have a glass of wine with dinner,
that's not you're not There's not a problem there. If
you want to do a point five psilocybin or smoke
or joint, not a problem there.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
That It's like that that's series painkiller have you seen that.
I mean, I mean it's so unfortunate and and we
have you know, we tend to trust, you know, the
doctor more than anybody else in the world. You know,
the doctor is the one that's telling you what to do.
And so they're issuing out oxy coota and vico in
and you name it.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
And it's just like it's the it is the you know,
leading cause of white American males.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Cannabis is really the exit drug if you look at
all the states where cannabis has been legalized. Man, I
just write another study the other day that was showing
how in the states where cannabis is legalized, there are
less opioid deaths and there are less people that are
having their first time experience with opioid.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
It's helping with that pain that they're looking to get
away from a spot because a lot of people are
taking those opios for a legitimate pain and it's not
like a, oh, you're not hurting their line. But what's
happening is they're getting addicted to the product. I mean,
they're getting addicted in those hills, not realizing the pain
may stop, even going to physical therapy, but they get addicted,
and once you get that addiction, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Jill.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
This box ride here that you guys just got FDA approved,
which is just still mind boggling alone.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Is there any other.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Machine like this that's FDA approved or are you guys the.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
First so there are you know those bench top scientific methodologies.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Not a mobile one then yeah?

Speaker 6 (39:36):
No, no, definitely not no mobile technologies. And the FDA
doesn't use you know, any other mobile technology like this
except the other ones that I sold them with other companies, right,
different kinds of technologies for white powder, for something that
might go boom, those kind of things. But no, for
their cannabis science, they use light lab or they use
a bench top HBLC system. We're really proud that the

(39:59):
Customs Border Protection after about six months of comparing you know,
head to head light lab, their fleet of light labs
and their fleet of benchtop analytical tools, they're actually formally
transitioning all cannabinoid quantification to this.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Congratulations, it's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Like, no, I think it's a huge deal.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Not to say that's like, what do you foresee these
orange boxes being? Is it going to be at like
every when you're coming in from the country at the airport.
Is it going to be at the borders when you're
driving in.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
From the You're ready, You're ready for the manifestation. I've
already manifested this. This is what this is what I'm
here to do. Right. We have this crazy ass paradigm
in cannabis that we send all our samples out. Do
you think Pfizer sends all their samples out? Guys? Never, No,
They test everything internally and then the FDA walks in

(40:50):
an audit sem and if anything's misaligned or not writing
an audit, well you're getting spanked, and you're getting spanked hard.
But the weird thing in the cannon industry is that
instead of like us owning that data and growing and
learning with that data, it actually is like the data
has us by the balls, right, Like we have to
send everything out, We have to wait for that data

(41:12):
to just be able to move forward. We're not learning
with that data though. There's no operational excellence that's coming
from that like every other industry employees. So the ability
of like light lab to be a really fundamental part
of that shift because there are not enough cannabis chemists
in the world and scientists to run all the hp
PLCs that it will be needed. And fundamentally, if you

(41:34):
take ten light labs over ten days, they will be
so much more accurate and repeatable than ten bench tops
over ten days. We've got that data to show it
over and over.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
That's that.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
How accurate is it?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Say that?

Speaker 6 (41:50):
Plus in the best case scenario, plus our mind is
less than two ppms, Like it's super tight parts per million.
So we're talking point zero zero zero zero two percent
tiny little bits that can be That's pretty accurate.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Aren't you guys public company or private?

Speaker 6 (42:07):
We are a private company. I'm very proud of that.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
So yeah, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
And then and then are you guys, and then are
you guys going to be testing psilocybin, cocaine and everything
else for them?

Speaker 6 (42:18):
You know, we already have released just earlier this summer,
I mean what it's been going. It's been going quickly.
But in July we released light Lab ps Y, which
is our psychedelics unit. It looks very similar to this.
It's got kind of a purple flavor in some parts
to it, but it tests psilocybin, it tests slucin, and
it tests a couple of synthetic molecules. So for Aco

(42:42):
for Aaco fumerate. Those are molecules that you know, if
you buy a gummy mushroom gummy on the internet right
now and it says that it has you know, live
mushroom product or raw mushroom product in it, it's very
likely to actually have one of these synthetic products in it.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
So Jill and Blue, I think it's gonna be crazy
when we see like a certain patrol car that has
this in it. Maybe not every patrol car, but maybe
that's not crazy for you guys that have But.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
It's not, but it could be not going to go there. Yeah,
it's not going to go there.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
The cops need to test.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
No, it's a self regulation tool. It's a self regulation tool.
This is not about. First of all, the cops don't
give a shit except in a couple of states across
this nation. If you've got a pound in your trunk, guys,
they don't care. They've told me themselves they don't care.
What they care about is like massive scale diversion in version.
That makes it. It's the same kind of levels of

(43:36):
crime that have always been happening to get their attention
and tax evasion. That's what we see guys.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
And we've seen guys like the one traveling in New
York who was traveling with eighty pounds of hemp and
they arrested him, took all his product, he lost everything.
If you had a machine like this, no problem. It's
oh it looks like eighty pounds a weed. That's you
know this and that. But if you have a.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Machine like this, that's ten and a half minutes.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
That's exactly why the first enforcement agency started to use
light Lab. It was to cover their own assets, to
not make that mistake. And it's still a big part
of it. Like people grow really sweet. Look at him,
and they used to just mow the field, and you're
not doing that anymore. You better believe that.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
But no, I don't show up and test the field
before they go mow it.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Yeah, exactly what they did. And then they get that
warrant and they do all this stuff. But it's based
on data and science. We're agnostic to what you do
with it. We don't care what you do with the data.
It's going to give you the same numbers. They're accurate numbers.
We're agnostic.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, light labs three hs. How much is.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
It that's one million dollars.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
That's simple, Joe. Everyone's going to have one, what.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Is anywhere between fifteen and twenty k depending on how
you outfit them. We have light Lab three. We have
light Lab High Sensitivity. Basically, you know, there's two levels
of these instruments. The first level does like that point
zero five percent that you talked about. We have this
newest version that does so so much lower, like one

(45:05):
hundred times more sensitive, so it can test, can help
you formulate your beverages and you're really low dose scummies
and things like that. That's the higher cost one.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, the light Lab three Cannabis Analyzer chosen by the
FDA to enhance consumer safety and regulations in the cannabis industry.
You heard her talk about it. You hear her. She's
got the proof behind it, with the schooling and the
expertise with the other companies who worked with I'm so
impressed with this. I wish we had some solution to

(45:34):
really watch it happen in ten and a half minutes.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Because TSA does not like methanol.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Well, you know what, That's okay, but we do want
to still do the high five with you, Jill, as
you're here and love what the company is doing and
everything about it and your vibe and your energy and
everything about you is awesome.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Question number one, Jill, how old are you the first
time you smoked cannabis and where'd you get it from?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
I was like nineteen. I was a late bloomer. I
hung out with all the stoners, but I was keep
my shit straight because my parents were actually kind of
a hot mess when I was in high school. Okay,
so I was like I would always roll everything for
everyone and be like the DD and yeah, me and
my cousin got high. I think when I was like
nineteen the first time awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Question number two of the High five, what is your
favorite way to use or smoke cannabis?

Speaker 6 (46:20):
I'm a dab queen for sure. I do like a
good dab, but I mean on the daily, I rip
a bong often.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Do you travel with one a bong?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
No?

Speaker 6 (46:30):
I did just go to the Outer Banks last week
and I took it like a little plastic bong that
I got at a show, and I was so happy
that I had it on my VAKA show.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Yeah, that's always a good h Jill. Craziest place you
ever used or smoked cannabis.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
Oh man, Yeah, this was a good prep because I've
been lucky. We travel all around the country, crazy ass places,
absolutely everywhere. But recently I was on the edge of
Crater Lake in Oregon watching an avalanche happen and had
a man asked me to marry him. All at the
same time, we'll smoking a joint way, so that was

(47:04):
kind of it. Yes, I did, thank you very much here. Yeah,
well not anymore. His name's Jeremy Kleky. He runs Davis
Hemp Farms. He's a thirty year legacy grower and he's
the dude many Yeah, thank you guys. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
I'm sure he loves your muscles, jeez.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Yeah, Well we're going to get some farm work done.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
We have to get him on. We have to get
him on too.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
For sure. Man, he's a genius.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Question number four of the high five what does your
go to munchie after you get high?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Oreos? Nice munchies, no matter what. When I was pregnant,
IY like ten orioles a day. No. Now actually I
can't even I can't even eat a regular oreo. Now
I have to eat no, no whole food orioles. If
you haven't had a Whole Foods oriole. They are the
orioles of our childhood. They taste so good.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
And they're actually made better.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
They have really Yeah noa, I tasted like a branded
Oreo now and I'm like ship.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's so funny Whole Food spends that extra money. I
mean they use the little rand oils there Whole Foods
for God's sake, because it's good good. Yeah, lo rand
Oils just sold the Whole Foods. That's how good it is.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
We go, We'll definitely go search out those Whole Foods.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
You know what you're making me want to go to
Whole food just to get some of those cookies. I
remember getting them a few times. They're not the cheapest
ones on the block.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
I order them on Amazon. That's a little tip.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
And that's how you know, makes it better that way.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Question number five of the High five Jill, my little scientists, Yes,
newlywed to be.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I can't wait to see.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
But if you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive,
who would it be and why?

Speaker 6 (48:45):
This is a hard question, all right, Honestly, My grandpa, yeah, yeah,
his name is Donald. Grandma, Yeah, I mean he's just
the man. He was so instrumental and passed away when
I was sixteen, before I ever got high, and he
was now hal like when I was younger, or like
before I was alive, so I know that he mustn't
smoked at some point. I just really would have loved

(49:06):
to experience that. But I also thought about it on
a more broad scale, because you guys don't know my
grandpa who was the man free to Callo? Do you
guys know anything about freeda Callo? She was just like
a crazy badass. She suffered from polio when she was younger,
so she had a lot of like pain that I
think cannabis probably could have helped her with. She was
an artist. I'm an artist too. She was crazy, like

(49:27):
I like to draw a line art with pen and
stuff like that, And she was a crazy free to
collo is the woman with the beautie brow you see
in pop culture a lot. And she had a crazy
passionate relationship with her husband that she married and divorced
and married again and all this crazy shit. So yeah,
I think she would just be awesome to get high with.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Well, is there anything that we forgot that do you
want to say before we let you get on out
of here.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
You know, Cannabis Operators of America, we are all about
helping you solve the problems that you're definitely having, right, Like,
it's the solution for when you want to run a
pheno hunt. You don't want to spend one hundred bucks
of tests to figure out what magic you got, like
test baby plants when they're this little on light lab.
It's the solution for extraction facilities when they're dialing in

(50:15):
you know, one hundred thousand dollars instrumentations and they're taking
weeks and weeks and weeks to do it because they're
sending stuff, samples back and forth to a laboratory. That's bullshit.
Never mind the fact that you should be utilizing a
tool that tells you about all your other processes all
the time. It's operational excellence. It's getting better at the
shit you do. I call it adding a layer of

(50:35):
data over tribal wizardry. Right, That's what our industry goes on,
is tribal wizardry, and we just need a little bit
more science. Yeah, a little bit more science.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Is that's what your company is doing and helping the industry.
I love that this is there. I wish we could
have one here. It just get people shitt and tested
all the time.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Don't tell me, guys, we can imagine.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Why we're going to test it for you right now?
All right, well that would be the sickest thing ever. People. Yeah,
that's touch it. It comes out like it's failed.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Dude, this is you.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
I'm just going to warn you. There's a lot of
ego in Cannaba.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
This right here.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
They do that didn't work? Oh'd be like, hey, we'll
pay us, pay us to take it off.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
You can.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
You can cut that part out the video.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Cut that part out right. But I've also had people
break into tears, like homegrowers that were growing their father's
strain and have been growing it for five years and
hit that thirty two percent. Water works dude, because thirty
people are clapping, and because it's it's a passion, right,
It's true, that's what you tried to do. And I've

(51:43):
heard I've seen commercial cultivators also that hit thirty five right,
that ship doesn't exist. You know the numbers are out there.
People push genet X. It's a crazy, crazy plant. It
will give it. It will keep giving us what we
ask of it. We have to be very generous to
the plant. Remember that, And you're like, I really believe that.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I'm just smiling really thinking about all the brands that
come through here. If we would you be willing to
do that to see how many say yes? And you know,
I don't know, have you seen people.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
That people will bust out their homegirl left and right,
like oh yeah, shit, yeah, But then they might be
peeling the CVA label off.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Those pre rolls might be losing their their thirty two
percent label really quick because it's going to show it
as eighteen probably And a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Of people you fake that funk and they get they
pay labs to cheat, and it's it's it's sad. I
mean there's a lot of that going on in any industry,
right but but I mean, right now you've got everybody
stepping up, putting their chest out like I've got the best, and.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
It's competition again, it's like commercial competition. People want the business.
So there's like it's not always completely nefarious how that happens,
that that creep happens where you know, let me call
the second lab when the first lab doesn't give me
the number that I want I get the second set
of results. Sometimes it's a little gentler, you know. And frankly,
I come from Massachusetts, right, we self select in Massachusetts.

(53:00):
That means we take our sample and we send them
to the laboratory. Why wouldn't you self select the best sample? Yeah,
that's what people do in light lab all over in
every state that we self select. You should be using
light lab because the.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Different know what you're sending.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
And if you think it's that top bud, it ain't
that top bud. It's definitely going to be probably your third,
second or third intro no down that has your highest year.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Is that true too? Huh oh yeah, look at you?
What are you a scientist?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
You know, I just want to keep going.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
But me, I can continue on a whole different thing
about this because as you just say something like that,
a we already have talked about how the THAC level
doesn't matter the connabitives. How hard is it for people
to get more of to just get more into the
planet towards more than the four that you recommend, you know,
or before you know what, I'm getting all nineteen that
you guys test.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
Realize no plants growing all nineteen because some of them
again are chemically converted, but like that is definitely it.
When I look when I test somebody's stuff, I'm not
aiming at the THHC. I won't even look at that
number often. I will often first thing is like how
much cbga do you have left in your plant?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Right?

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Because the plant starts with the cbga and then turns
it into c THHCA. So if I see somebody and
they've got their fire and I'm like, yeah, nice, twenty
five percent, but you got three and a half percent
cbga left on that ship, that's a fail.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
That's a fail.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
That's a fail because that could have you could have
pushed that another five ten days. The THHCA would have
kept going because that CBGA number, so they could have
kept converting.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, they don't know, they don't know.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
And because it.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Looked nice on the plant level and then right off
the plant, it's just seventy three more days.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
But if you have this machine, you can test it
and know that we.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Have a harvest timing soph Well, yeah, if you got
a nine week or you should be going at seven weeks, eight,
eight and a half nine.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And this should help. Well, yeah, that's why I said,
we can blow this. This helps everybody. This just changes
the game.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I mean, we know, like I mean, we've had probably
over the last fourteen years have been on air, you know,
we probably had every grower and I'm just like, everybody
needs one. But but uh, if we walk this product
into you know, the store right now, we just start
testing every product in the store, how many would fail.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Fail meaning not be accurate to the THHD level on
the table the bag. In California, Yeah a lot.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Other states probably a lot. Yeah, other states.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I mean, where's the best state in your opinion testing wise?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Oh Jesus man, I don't know, Like there, I don't.
I don't think about th I look at states that
have really great laws around just how many tests decides
they test. Yeah, all right, go to Colorado. Like I'm
going to pick the states the test for the ship
that I'm worried about, especially as a dabber, Like I
don't want a bunch of concentrate that's full of a
bunch of chemicals that shouldn't be there. And that's my

(56:05):
biggest concern.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
As I think as the most consumers, they don't know
what those are, you know what I mean, Like I
wouldn't know, like, oh, you don't want to have that
in your system, But okay, I just know I don't
want medals.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
I mean what else should be people aware of when
they're looking at these things? Like be aware of what mold?

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Like that sounds simple, but yeah, maybe I would have.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Known that one mold.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
And it's a funny thing because sometimes you don't want
to see zero, Like mold is a bad thing, but
remediation is also a bad thing. Right, do you want
to have weed that was x rays apped?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Right?

Speaker 6 (56:38):
There some places where you cannot buy commercial weed that
has not been x ray app because it's just really
challenging in some places. Good commercial grows would also say, bullshit.
You can grow good commercial weed without weed without moisture
on it.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
So yeah, well, thank you so much for joining the show.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I can just tell you that you have educated us
all and I shit it so much.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
It's definitely my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
From Blue and Eye, Hello to the five kids, the
three dogs, the two cats, the two fish, the lizard,
and the new husband to be that we all say
hello and thank you for allowing you to come out
to the West coast.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
And oh that is definitely not how that works. I'm
just gonna go ahead and say that. But yeah, yeah, no,
they are all there waiting and.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Not home yet.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
No, I'll be heading off after here, not to go home.
They got a whole week of me last week.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Moms off to the Capitol baby in California.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, well there it is, guys.

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