Meet Nate & Claudia Winokur of BelCosta Labs™!

BelCosta Labs™ is leading the evolution of cannabis lab testing through agricultural science, education, and technology. BelCosta Labs™ combines analytic methods, customized technology, and years of expertise in the cannabis industry, they can provide the highest quality testing lab services for compliance in the State of California.The lab is located in Long Beach, CA and has been fully operational since April 2018. Be sure to get involved by visiting the website at www.belcostalabs.com or follow them on IG @belcostalabs, especially if your CA, NJ, PA, MD & FL!

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(01:15):
duo in the house rail out of California. It's a
premier licensing cannabis analytical testing lab. It's beside us. Now
is Nate and Claudia Winnaker in studio to give the
folks at home a bit of an insight on what
goes on at Bell Costa Labs.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
For those of you unfamiliar with the company, Bell Costa
Labs is leading the evolution of cannabis lab testing through
agricultural science, education and technology, which is pretty damn cool.
Bell Costa Labs combines analytical methods, customized technology, and years
of expertise in the cannabis industry. They can provide the
highest quality testing lab services for compliance in the state
of California. Their lab is local here in Long Beach, California,

(01:52):
and they've been fully operational since twenty eighteen, so they're
not fly by night. Be sure to get involved by
visiting the website at www dot Bell Costa Labs dot
com or follow them on ig at Bell Costa Labs,
especially from California and New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland or Florida. Now,
without further d please welcome our friends Nate and Claudia there. So,

(02:18):
first of all, how did you guys end up finding
about CT what? I want to what's the relationship here?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh? Well, married couple's that's on the very base. Labe
originally met well over twenty years ago, and we've been
together for the last fifteen or so.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And you guys told me a pretty interesting story. There
was a little gap there, which I found fascinating. There
was about an eight year gap before you met again.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, a little rendezvous when we first met, which
was only you know, let's say it was a good stand,
you know, and and we met back up about eight
years later.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
And would you say cannabis has kind of kept you
together or the business has kept you together?

Speaker 6 (02:58):
I think being business minded, Yeah, has kept us together.
You know.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
I think we were talking earlier and I mentioned I
wasn't much for love, but when I found that, you know,
I could get a friend and somebody who could be
a business partner as well.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
I think it was pretty organic after that.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's awesome. Now, you guys grew up grew up here
in southern California.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, originally from East Coast for me, and then did
most of my growing between split there and here.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
And Chris, you've known them outside of business, right, Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I've known Nate and Klaia now for gosh, I no, seven.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Six years something like that. It was a while ago.
But yeah, it's a good time.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to say the better part of ten years.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Man, it's yeah, right, I feel like it's been a
lot longer than you think. Yeah, so you guys, I
didn't realize that you went to school then in the
East Coast? Is that where you went to school? You
were born there and then came here.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Born, partially raised there, then partially raised here. Okay, school wise,
I mean in the streets mostly of California taught me.
So I can't really give that much credit to the
East Coast in that sense.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Whence you guys met the was it you already had
a company or were you in the space. You guys
kind of told me the background, but I thought it
was really interesting that connection.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, you know, my friend who had introduced us originally
ran into him and gave me an edge was like, hey,
I guess so I ran into and then just kind
of fast forwarding us to you know, getting along, made
it back up again.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Again.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
We were both very business minded, but at the time
we were both in Mission Veehle area, so a lot
of the South Orange County shops were closing and whatnot.
So we had kind of already been talking about a
little edible company and he's really a genius at formulation,
so we were playing around with the idea until you know,
one day he calls me and he says, hey, follow
me home from work. And I said, okay, why and

(04:41):
He's like, I'll tell you later. So I'm like, oh great.
Turns out one of the dispensers had closed and he
had picked up a lot of pounds.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
I forgot.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
They had dumped a bunch of their trim on us,
which was, you know, nothing that you were going to smoke,
but which was a fantastic grade for extraction or infusion
or anything like that. So what we're looking at is,
you know, green gold that you would use back in
that day to start up an amateur but still passable
edibles company. And that's you know, a major area of
where we first started working together.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
And this is about eight years ago.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is closer to a dozen years ago, Wow, maybe.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Thirteen years ago or so.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
So yeah, that kind of kicked off our cookie bootlegging.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
What what you mentioned?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
It was his recipes he used. Was that something you
just picked up from growing up? Or was it from
one of the shops?

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Did it start off as like just normal kind of
butter that were you using it? You were already extracting, extracting.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I was making for so back then, you know edibles.
You know, I got to give credit to the edible
manufacturers and fuse manufacturers that do it for real now,
because what we were doing then is an absolute, you know,
a joke, and compared to what a massive, multimillion dollar
operation is capable of putting together these days, we did
an awesome job which happened to be on the uppermost

(06:00):
echelon of what was produced a dozen years ago. And
with that, I would change, you know, to answer your question,
I would change it up based on the formula. Sometimes butter,
sometimes oil. It would be infused in different amounts in
different ways because I realized mathematically what I was trying
to achieve with that end product. So kind of fun yeah,

(06:20):
I'm able to put stuff together. I just understand and
see kind of how it all fits together. I had
already been in cannabis, granted, this was a little bit
more of a serious role making infused products that people
are going to be, you know, consuming right now. I'd
been in cannabis for a while and kind of got
in and understood it. But if I really was going
to apply math and science to anything seriously, it started here.

(06:43):
And it was my first exercise in playing with like
formula and the chemistry of cannabis.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
And when we spoke earlier, you were speaking at such
a level that I said, you know, are you a
NASA engineer or do you have a science background or
did you go to some weirds college and.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now partial college? But you know, I got caught up
with you know, and just having to make money well
before I was able to finish college. So all of
this has been.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Learned, the sciences from the streets.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
You would say it's been learned. You know, some of
it directly, you know, asking questions, being there, watching how
things go. Being in a science role too, especially as
a testing lab, you see things attempted over and over again.
It's a funnel right, you know, and we catch everything
at the top of the funnel, and with the test
of time we get to see everything that still exists

(07:27):
at the bottom of that. And so being able to
understand and bridge what makes really products cannabis products exist
and succeed. We got a great view of that. I
got a really good view of that also from a
chemistry perspective, and so that whole backdrop of what it
takes to make something great but at the same time
have something that's going to be you know, enjoyable, consumable,

(07:50):
done right, consist and everything else you would value. I
came across that all because of my experience knowledge, and
I guess I was geared for it.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know, were you always into science as a kid
kid growing up? Was signed something that I just always
kind of intrigued you?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Or I was all over the Yeah in place.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Man and you, Miss Claudia. What about your background. I
know you've got a college education.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah, I went to film school.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I focused on marketing and advertising, and so I moved
to New York with you know, big city dreams, and
I was living them. I got a job at a
really great agency working with major corporate companies. Jeff Blue
Mountain Dew like Microsoft, all these awesome companies, and unfortunately

(08:35):
the company got bought out at the beginning of my
first recession, and I begrudgingly did not want to leave
New York because I loved it out there and you know,
but unfortunately I got let go. Everybody in the company
was like, what are we gonna do now? How do
we find any file?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Like you're on guys.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
But so I did my best to stay in New York,
but unfortunate, I can afford it.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
What part of New York were you in?

Speaker 6 (09:00):
In Manhattan?

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I lived in Harlem, Yeah, up in six and left
six and Lexington, if I can say it.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
And so.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
And I worked in Chelsea and anyway, I started to
move back home and then I kept trying to fulfill
my marketing dreams, but the universe was like, no, not
going to happen.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
And then when.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
We started dating, I kind of just fell into cannabis.
And with my marketing expertise, I kind of and you know,
project management expertise because I managed a lot of creative projects,
I kind of was able to hold everything together.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
And then I kept trying to leave cannabis because.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I'm like I was gonna say, were you already like
a consumer of cannabis.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
I mean, like, yeah, I've been a consumer of cannabis
since I was nineteen. I'm not gonna say how well
I am now. Yeah, right, and then it's gotten me
through all of the recessions. But actually a lot of
my cannabis you started because I had a really bad
like stomach pains, and then I just depression all the
fun stuff people use cannabis for.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
But yeah, so I just.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Started freelance graph designing for a lot of cannabis companies
because just the corporate world just sucks, like unless you're
willing to kiss somebody's butt or I don't know, I
just don't play those games. And I think that's why
I didn't make it in that world, because I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
How to shut up.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
So so I just kind of, you know, remained in
the industry, and you know, we did our edible company,
and I, you know, freelance graphic design and then you know,
through I can't even tell you how many cannabis shows
we've been to together, a lot of it. The reason
where we are where we are right now is because
of the footwork we put in. We you know, Frantino knows.

(10:35):
We put in a lot of footwork with you know,
how we work together, and we went we've probably I
don't even know how many how many shows we've gone to, probably, so.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That's to say actual cannabis events. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hundreds
and hundreds. I mean, the number I've surely seen that
you guys at and hung out is far dozens at
this point. So yeah, hundreds overall.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, and honestly, that's kind of how we met people
because people were just be like, I guess they're everywhere,
like you're here too, you know, And that's how we
made the connections. And that's how we've known the people
that we know today because a lot of them are veterans.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
We were at times where there was a lot of
great area.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
And I'm not saying we're swimming above water now because
I feel, you know, cannabis.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Is still an industry where you're working super hard to
keep your headup of water.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
But yeah, I guess, long answer, but that's kind of
you know, how I stayed in the cannabis space, you.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Know, it just like dragging me back in.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
And then we'll come back right now and we're going
to hear how you guys actually got into the testing
side of it all. We'd love to hear that kind
of start one one we rab back.

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Speaker 3 (12:21):
We're back here with Nadan Claudia and right before we
left on break, I wanted to hear earlier when you
guys showed up a little bit earlier. We were talking
about the challenges and your passion about testing, and when
you start talking, you are like a little mad scientist,
so I may cut you off as you get too technical,
but it's something that I really appreciate because it's me
being a little bit more amateur in the in the

(12:42):
if you will, the marijuana space. It's something that's always
been on my mind, the questions we brought up. But
give me give us a little background about how you
got into testing, because where we left you guys were
more of the edible and the shake and your kind
of connoisseurs and you met.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Give us a little bit background on the company.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'll start off briefly, but you'll kind of take over
because it was our put in the door that kind
of got in his first job at the time, I
was working for a company called Medbox, which you know,
was a company ahead of their game. I think they
were doing the automated machines. And you know, unfortunately a
wonderful person who ran a company.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
I love him to death, but he was just way
ahead of his time.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
But through that connection, we worked with weed Maps and
I was in touch a lot with like the head
of sales at we'd maps, and we'd always talk about
how his salespeople were kind of, you know, pushing a
little too hard on my people all these dispensaries we
were opening, and so we had this fun relationship and
at the time, you know, we realized that in order
to maintain an entrepreneurial venture that you also need a

(13:40):
day job. And so Nate started looking for stuff in
the industry and we just happened to know a lab
that was opening up, and that's when, you know, through connections,
Nate was able to kind of get his foot in
the door into.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
The lab space.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So lab testing was just starting out right about them,
so early twenty tens, so lab thank you for that
warm intro to by way. Yes, so everything everything kind
of was starting to come together. There were quite a
few labs really, the one that I started working for

(14:13):
is I think the only one that's still in existence.
Then a lot of people had a lot of weird
ideas about what lab testing would be because it wasn't
really defined. Nobody really knew what to use it for.
In fact, most of the time it was just used
to market cannabis. It was you know, some even there
were even some municipalities that said you had to get
your stuff tested, and people said, sure, I'll just get
a THHC tested. At least it was an intro to it.

(14:36):
And by the time that I had run my course
with that first lab, I had seen roughly you know,
six years or so of activity. I had a lot
of ideas in terms of how cannabis was working. This
was part of my crash course also in seeing how
cannabis just generally could be. Again, I saw all of
those different products that existed or ceased to and so

(14:57):
I watched all of this chemistry, basically how happening in
real time as I was helping to run the Southern
California aspect of this lab. Went from me as the
only employee to roughly seventeen or eighteen employees that were
under me, and everything was going just peachy. At that point,
I did exceed. I did realize that I succeeded what
that lab could do, and I left to become a

(15:18):
science consultant for cannabis. I saw a little sample of everything.
I saw how everything worked, and I could help in operation.
Did you want to make your stuff stronger? Did you
want to increase your yield? Did you want a means
of being able to educate your corporate crew? All of
these existed this point, even I was working closely with
Blue and all that fun stuff. Moved forward through the

(15:39):
next year or so of working pretty much exclusively in
cannabis science and just being a freelance gun for hire
in that sense, We ended up meeting this group who
were from outside cannabis, but who found out who I
was and who we were and what we've accomplished, got
to know us, and ultimately decided that they were going

(16:00):
to utilize our skill set to go from helping them
write a business plan to actually building a lab.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
So these were investors. These were not people that were
in the lab industry.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
They were, you know, their own version of entrepreneurs. They
knew they wanted to get into cannabis and operate in
it all the time. Interesting and to their credit, you know,
they wanted to find somebody or somebody's that had experience
in the industry before, specifically in the lab space. So
you know, it was very much a you know, very
much of a small company mentality, still is really, but

(16:32):
it was very much of a small company mentality. We
divided up all of the tasks. We figured out what
we needed to do to design the lab, to manage workflow,
to get an operating system that will run it all.
We put it all together from scratch. Wow, it was insane,
But within a year or so twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen,
that lab was just about ready to open and fully

(16:54):
built out. And so now that was really the birth
of Belcosta Labs. So many people Bell Costal Labs come
in and just sort of take over in a huge way.
Where the hell did these guys come from? And it
was simply that that's.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
The name that you opened up with, or flabs, So
that was the first iteration of belcost Labs.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Just to kind of backtrack a little bit.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
When he left the lab, one of the things I
told him was because while he was working there, everybody
was picking his brain all the time, like constantly, all
hours of the day, like it's like, dude.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You from everywhere everybody.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So he was like the science director, the doctor oz
of science for pretty.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Much like everybody could.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
He's just a genius when it comes to formulations, and
honestly his intelligence is but you know, did it for
me because and he fed me good food anyway, but he.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Really just knew his stuff so well.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
So you know, once we had kind of seen the
max capacity that he could do for this lab, I
was just like, tell everybody who has kept you on
the phone for an hour that you are now available.
Your time is available. And it took off, everybody wanted
his time. Everybody didn't care what his fee was.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's the marketing.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
It was amazing and and like need said, through those
connections that's how we kind of you know, met you know,
the partners at Belcosta so and it's been great.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
They're they're wonderful people. It's a much better home. So
you guys.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Start so you started out to know you during that
time too.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, like during that transition when you guys were still
in between.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yep, that's when I got to know you, bro.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, so you guys started off just doing THC when
you first got started at the other lab. But now
that you're over here, explained to us all the different
types of tests and that you guys are doing, you know,
to help keep cannabis safe as well.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
So back then there was you know, like the half
arsed version of running everything. There were other tests. But
if I recall roughly, out of everybody coming in, you know,
the number of tests they would request was one point
one tests right there. So out of every ten different
tests samples you'd received, you might have somebody requesting one

(18:54):
other type of you know analysis. Fast forward to here,
where you have nearly ten different types of analysis that
happens to licensed cannabis product, right, So depending on what
you're talking about, it shifts from matrix to matrix. But
we're going to that later. The idea that everything was
able to show and go from and by the way,

(19:15):
thank you for the kind words, Babe, the way that
everything was able to show and go through these various
steps into what Bell Coast was right here. Followed that
professional work that we did on our own. A lot
of the market that Bell Coasta started with, a lot
of the attention we were able to garner happened in
large ways because of this, and a lot of the

(19:36):
experience I was able to give to the lab came
from my experience in other areas of cannabis. And more
on that later, because that's really kept going. In my
humble opinion, the next levels of cannabis testing is what
we're already engaging in in that though we started testing,
we started getting to know the market. There are certain
groups who we've been working with virtually the whole time,

(19:58):
the loud packs and the Jungle b of the world
and all that fun stuff, and yeah, we just seek
to do a kick ass job for everybody and ultimately
what we're doing is reading cannabis, getting data and then
uploading that data to the state, and so that is,
you know, easier said than done. Yes, what are you guys?

(20:18):
What does that inspire?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Speaking of the state, I always have been curious that
what segment of the testing industry is regulated. Is it
kind of pay for play where if somebody has shitty
product they can kind of slide in.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
How would you speak to that?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, obviously you guys have a higher standard, But
I just I've heard a lot of grumblings and I'd
love to hear.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
There's definitely people that are doing lab shopping.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Right well, just from the thirty thousand foot view, only
fifty five percent of the cannabis or forty five percent
of the cannabis goes through the licensed market in California,
which means the majority of cannabis out there is unregulated. Okay,
it is weird for us to ever test unregulated anything
cannabis extracts flower, anything, and for it not to come

(20:59):
back with a rainbow of pesticides and other contamina.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
So, more than half of the cannabis sold within California
can be said to be content at risk for contamination.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Now I see it.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's bad if I go into a recognized dispensary that's
paying its taxes and has an a rating, et cetera.
If you blind tested ten different products there, would you
still experience that.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
What you would tend to see these days is a
lot of people kind of fibbing about their THHC. There's
a lot of subpart.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
There's like a ten percent leeway, right.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
That's not what we're talking about here, a good way.
So that ten percent right there is actually just for labeling.
You know, not every butt of cannabis is going to
be the same, not every cartridge that's filled is going
to be the same. Right, And if you want to
touch that product, you know, the fewest number of times

(21:51):
you'll get that label on it and everything, so that
it's only touched once and then it's ready to go
out the door. So to speak, right, you need to
have there's certain precautions that companies will take to make
sure that the THC is on point. But just for
their sake, there's a ten percent leeway from the label
that can exist now in the spirit of what the

(22:12):
state wants. It's you know, a label, you know, to
not force the need to relabel for everybody. How people
use it goes way beyond, as my wife mentioned, way
beyond ten percent, because if we talked about twenty percent strain,
that means you could cheat it up to twenty two percent,
which the way the systems are designed, you could technically. However,

(22:33):
what people have been doing and we've recently secret shopped
something that was thirty eight percent on the shelf and
it came back at our lab at eighteen percent. Wow,
it means that there's What this means is that there's
a product out there that subpar that found a lab
to you know, basically fib for them, and in doing
this they now have this unfortunate scenario that they've created

(22:57):
where over two times the actual label value is being
reflected on the label.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's crazy. So do you get those calls a lot
where people are like, hey, if I bring you my TESK,
can you guarantee X amount of percentage?

Speaker 6 (23:14):
It's a little different. If they don't see the numbers,
they like, they just gist us.

Speaker 8 (23:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
They don't bother returning the call. They don't bother saying hey, like,
you know, can you explain. They don't want information, They
just want the numbers they want, And.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's just so.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Preposterous to me that, you know, nowadays people are telling
labs the science they want versus the science that exists, right,
and it's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
And if somebody is listening and cares about what they're
putting in their body. The pesticide thing always freaks me out.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Right. Is there a specific lab.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Then that is now being ranked or do you guys
have a system of ranking so we can say anything
from your lab at least we can trust, or is
there certain brands?

Speaker 4 (23:57):
How do we know what's real and what's not?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Anymore as hard on the label to put the lab
that it was tested by.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, And as a consumer, there's really unless you're just
doing deep dives, there's no way to know, like there
really isn't unless you're familiar with a brand and you
know who they test through. Interesting, there's no real requirement though,
is you know Frankie put to be able to put
that on the label. And even more so, you know
people who are buying the cannabis are just as easily

(24:23):
fooled as the consumers. So even that you know what
you think would be just this hard filter that would
stop something from low quality getting onto a dispensary shelf,
it doesn't exist. They're subject to the same types of
FIBs that everybody else is, And all of a sudden
you have this really kind of overly homogenized outlook on
cannabis too. You know, there's more chemicals in cannabis than

(24:44):
just THCHC, right, right, But if you look at the
average consumer, they're not really inspired by that. And with
so much competition against the black market, everybody, including subpar
cannabis brands that you know, may only have mid teens
to offer, have to find and search this certain type
of really exploit people's lack of education in cannabis to

(25:06):
try to show that their product is high quality, when
on one hand, no it's not, that's not accurate data.
On the secondhand, we even like in the Royal we
right as cannabis consumers shouldn't even be looking solely at
THHC in the first place, indicator of quality that's so
much better at the scale you.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Educated, you care about well not not just educated.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
But you care about you know, the full science, the
full profile.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I was just going to ask how people are actually
asking for like turpine, you know, profiles and showing you.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
The different actual I think the demand for education is
actually really coming from buntenders, which I think.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Is a beautiful thing. He does a lot of.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
But tender training, and they are so excited for the information.
They are so excited about the knowledge, and you know,
I think that the want for the knowledge is out there.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
But I think that's where it kind of gets misconstruted
a little bit, because folks are just coming up with
new things like buttenders like to create their own little
phrase word. And now we've got the you know, the
high chirping extracts the htes that are out there, But
that doesn't really tell me how it's extracted other than
that this particular product is very high in terpenes. But
does that mean they put fake chirpings in there? You know,
like where does that process? And so there's definitely a

(26:16):
lot of confusion, which I also think is from.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Threshold that sounds nightmare.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So there's so much more to cannabis than even cannabinoids
and terpings. Yeah, there's esther's in there. You ever had
a strain that was banana flavored banana cush banana o
G that kind of thing. That chemical right there, isn't
that makes it banana flavored, isn't detectable by a churping profile,
So you say, what the hell? Like I thought, terps
equals flavor, Terps equal part of flavor. That's kind of

(26:49):
like how chocolate chips equal not the flavor of a
chocolate chip cookie, but you can kind of taste it
in there, and you could say the same thing about terps.
Turps are one of many different chemical groups, Like go
back to banana, that's an esther huh, slabinoids out there,
key tones, lack tones, all sorts of different things. You know,
we can go down, you know, a rabbit hole of
all these different chemicals that cannabis has in it that

(27:11):
aren't yet able to be tested. And so it's not
like we have this perfect indicator of quality between THHC
or even cannabinoids and terps. Although that's better, way better
than just THHC, it's going to go so much further
in the future, And I only like to highlight that
because we're able to see how much more we're going
to ultimately be able to encounter. That shows us what

(27:34):
we level about cannabis. Would you be surprised to know
that when we're able to test certain chemicals in cannabis,
you know, the lineman.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Umies in the alities identify certain effects.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
For sure, that's great for being able to chase the
lineage of what cannabis is. And if you were actually
more interested in multiple you know, you know, as multiple
types of cannabis, multiple profiles, you'd be able to chase
down these terps as they go.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
You know, you guys were talking.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
About education, and in California, obviously we've been recreational legal
and I think we've been more liberal when it comes
to that.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
But when we come back I want to hear what we.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Were talking about earlier, what your opinion is on what's
going on in New York and the pattern or you
know where we follow, are they following the same mistakes
we did?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
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Speaker 3 (28:44):
You guys turned the typical into something special. When it
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back here with Nate and Claudia. The question that I
wanted to ask you guys, because this is always on
my mind and when I see mistakes happen when they're
in the financial world and at cannabis world, it seems

(29:04):
there's always parallels when you look at New York and
obviously they're now coming around to having recreational and medical
turn into recreational, and we see the expansion, We know
the issues that California has been having in the legal market.
You guys had some really interesting viewpoints on how that's
coming out.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Over there in part two of that the education.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Do you guys think that over there, because it's newer,
they're going to have this education.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Kind of life cycle and learning curve as well. I'll
open it up to you first.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Personally, I don't think so. I think the potency message is.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Extremely loud, unfortunately, and it's still a loud. It's reached
the East coast and I think they are starting to
focus on those kind of things as well.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
And you know, we met people at mg biscons and it's.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
So crazy because you don't even see a normal pre
role anymore. Now all the pre roles is going to
have all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
On it more potent.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, totally. And yeah, we we were at MJ Biscon.
We met a few people from the East Coast and
they're like, right, so tell us what do we do
about our posts? And we're just like no, no, no, wrong,
question wrong, tell everybody they're doing it wrong. So I
do see that trend starting to happen. And you know,
if California could scream anything to New York and say, hey,

(30:18):
like that's how you shoot yourself in the foot, you know,
in terms of the industry.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Louder, I don't think they're listening. Yeah literally, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well that and I feel like New York is just
in competition with New Jersey.

Speaker 9 (30:32):
Can get there, got to bash Jersey, it's thing.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
So yeah, I do see them falling in that trend.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
If I remember correctly, their lab requirements still have a
long way to go as well. And then I think, uh,
you know, with the most recent that big main dispensary
that just got shut down. I think they're still dealing
with a lot of the illicit market.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Happy Mokey or something like that.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
I forgot the name. You know.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
It's there's so many been a couple, so many names
in the cannabis industry right now that are just either
being sued or on the views.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
It's just it's hard to keep tracking.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, there's definitely the real drama behind the
scenes in the space.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, it's like it's on soap opera. No, I love it.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
So I can't highlight enough how there are so many
different awesome types of cannabis. You ever heard of pheno hunting? Yeah, yeah,
of course, Right, what's the opposite of pheno hunting? Here,
don't answer, I got it for you. The opposite of
pheno hunting is buying for high THHC. Because only one
type of cannabis is you know, really maybe a couple
of types at best, out of how many dozens of

(31:44):
potential chemical profiles, there's only certain types that are high
in THHC. And so this is where things start to
go wrong. Ten years ago or so, you could walk
into a dispensary and everything on the shelf was og.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Like.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I even remember where there were dispensaries that literally sold
the same og under ten different names, and all ten
of those names were Avengers characters, right, you know what
I mean? Like you're not even trying any more kind
of thing, so like either just literally playing into this
game that really is just absolutely awful for the consumer

(32:18):
because if you were to go out there and you bought,
so to speak, a full bar worth of cannabis, then
what would you be left with And what would be
really interesting is you'd have, in my opinion, a way
more a way more robust experience because different chemical profiles
equal being able to enjoy a lot of different things.
That means you won't smoke as much as quickly. It's

(32:39):
kind of like when you're satisfied with food or with
a spirit of sorts, you end up drinking less or
eating less when you're satisfied more from less. Right, Cannabis
works that way if you don't smoke the same effing
thing over and over and over, hence og over and over,
which I can tell you from the labs point of view,
nine out of every ten things we test the exact

(33:00):
same chemical profile. That's terrible. Because that means that this
diversity that I can't ask for hard enough to be
coming from the growers, through the buyers, through the dispensaries,
that's starting to not exist. And when we talk to
or when we talk about in a sense New York
and where I was speaking to them, I would say,

(33:22):
please improve the diversity. We can all agree that diversity
of food, diversity of anything enjoyable is awesome, both for
people who enjoy that industry as well as for that industry.
And here we are losing out on some of remember
final hunting, We're losing out on some of the most
awesome inbuilt things, the diversity of cannabis. And instead we're

(33:45):
all just growing and buying for a single chemical profile.
What the why? And that's a mistake that makes the
amount that you sell go down. That makes everybody compete
by selling the same thing that drives down the diversity
for the consumer.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That's like saying all alcohol it tastes the same because
of the alcohol.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's like saying all alcohol should be ever clear? Yeah, right,
Like straight up, why don't we all drink ever Clear?

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
You want guys want to go out for a round
of Everclear? Like no, absolutely not. I don't want a headache.
I don't want a bad experience. But when you smoke
high THHC low chirp weed, that's actually what you're getting.
So now we have this tomfoolery of people, you know,
lying on this quality indicator that's not even a good indicator,

(34:31):
and as a result, we've lost so many strains. You guys,
remember Bubba cush. Wouldn't you like some Bubba cush?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
This is about the closest I can find. But you know,
let's do it.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
That's what I love about it, guys.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
You guys are leading from education, and I think right
now that's what this space is missing, and actually, quite frankly,
a lot of spaces that are kind of hitting a
plateau or stagnation, whether it's in the financial markets, the
consumer education market. But for you guys, you don't see
enough of that in my opinion, where everybody's just more
focused on top line gross sales instead of educating the
market and then watching the success that comes with it.

(35:01):
With that, we're going to lead into the high five. Now,
this is a segment that they do on this show
every time. I've been involved with this as well, So
We're gonna ask you five questions. Just hammer out the
questions that answers real quick. We'll start with you, Claudia.
How old were you the first time you smoked weed?
And where did you get it from?

Speaker 5 (35:16):
No, we talked about this. I was about fourteen. Mind,
I didn't really start smoking consistently. T was by egeen
or nineteen. But the first time I tried I was fourteen.
My sister was in college and she had come home
for the weekend and my brother goes through her bag
and he's like, hey, look I found you know, I

(35:37):
found her weed and it's like you want to smoke it?
And I was like, okay, So what did we do?
I think we like either he's an apple or something
like that. So yeah, that was we stile my sister's
college weed.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Nate probably invented his own marijuana.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And no, my way are we going? Uh yeah, okay, yeah? Perfect? Concurrently,
I guess so so with my first time, I was
kidnapped by a friend. He just came by my house
late at night. I was sixteen, and he's like, come
on down to you know. His mom had a big

(36:12):
warehouse for her business and she wasn't using the whole warehouse.
There's maybe like a ten by ten area where she
let her son, my friend, set up like his little
music area, and so him and his buddies would have
band practice in this commercial district and a warehouse and
not bother anybody. So good for them, right right, And
so they kidnapped me, you know, consentually one night, and

(36:35):
here I am with them, and they bust out this
clay pipe that one of them had made that resembles
absolutely nothing that you would want to smoke out of,
and we proceed to just smoke and smoke, and then
him and his bassis go and jam and I'm standing
in front of this tall stack of speakers, way taller
than me because I don't know where they got it from,

(36:56):
but they're awesome equipment, and I'm just getting audio waves
rolling through me and full blown audio hallucinations. And it
was the coolest ship in the world that.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Was low weed to.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, you know, that's that's the advertisement.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
We So, Claudia, what's go ahead?

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, question number two of the High five with Claudia Nate.
When you're here from Balacuista Labs, what is your favorite
way to use cannabis?

Speaker 6 (37:27):
I like pre rolls.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
It just click gets the point and you know, I
can be multifunctional.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
So you do like the low thh weed it depends.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I like giggle weed.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
I feel like gig doesn't exist.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Because it's probably low in THHC.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
That's why nobody's laughing. I feel like I don't giggle anymore.
Like I mean, I'll have Durban poison is good, but
it's more of the artsy one, like if you want
to send a drop picture, you know that's it's great.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
I love driven poison because it's so focused on you.
You're kind of having fun, which I feel like weed
isn't fun.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Like smoke and watching funny movies. Let's just speak out
on nine hours of Netflix.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Now, it's just like yeah right, it's just like let's
get blitzed and just stare at the wall and it's like,
oh I miss jokes.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Three months ago, I had some flower and I can't
even remember now who gave it to me, but I
went home and I smoked it and I was so
giggly and I was like, oh my god, this is
a long time.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
I know.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
My favorite was green crack, and you know it's not
on a very rare occasion he would find a really
good green crack and I'd be like, yeah, the giggles,
So yeah, that's and you, mister Nate.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Question number two of the high five, what is your
favorite way to use cannabis?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Pre rolls and dabs? So you get a lot of
flavor with dabs. You know, you're just blessed the especially
the live ros in industry and some live resident that
don't give a hoot about th HC numbers put a
smile and end up getting and so for like live rosins,
how many more flavor options you end up having? You
have all the flavor options under the sun because nobody

(39:04):
cares about high THHC. It's so beautiful.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
But what's great?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I can't I can't speak to that nothing.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
But it's crazy because that takes the education too.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I remember when I first started using my electric dab
brig and you get the temperature so high because you
want to get a bigger here, but then you don't
get to taste the flavors, right, so now I hover
right around like four sixty.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
No, it's just another culinary experience. Because you could say
the same thing about, you know, browning your butter at home. Yeah,
you don't get that shit too hot. So, yeah, you've
got the idea that you have these Volda compounds, and
these Volda compounds add all of this flavor and experience
to what you've got in front of you, because we
all know that cannabis is very, very experiential, right yep.

(39:42):
So these The more that you tune the device so
that you can taste these different flavors, the more diversity
and richness you get from the experience. I'll wager you
don't even need to get as high because you need
to smoke as much, because you're getting so much more
out of it. The idea of a head change doesn't
need to be this smack of the the smoky version
of smacking your head against the table, you know what

(40:03):
I mean? Right, You can enjoy the shit out of
weed with people you like, and it's not a race
to fall asleep the fastest.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, I agree, And can you tell our viewers what
do you think is a cleaner way to smoke? Is
it dabbing or is it smoking flower?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's a really really good question, bro so.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Connor coming with them shots, So let me.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Go for the nerdy answer here. I think that ultimately speaking,
you're going to have a lot more enjoyability doing dabs.
And it's not to say that you can't get the
same in flower. It's to say, as a consumer, you
almost don't have the option to do that. You don't
have a dozen different types, different chemical types of good
flower in front of you that you can smoke when

(40:48):
they're all fresh, maybe one, maybe two at a time,
But you don't really get the opportunity to go through
and actually enjoy this diversity as a consumer with flower,
even worse with pre role. Such a good question, brother,
even words with pre roles, because pre rolls, as soon
as you break them down you know, into the shape,
you know, into their ground form that you need to

(41:10):
be able to smoke them in, they start oxidizing. They
start breaking down really quick. It's crazy when we study
pre rolls that are even six months old, and you
know how THHC as it breaks down, it can decarboxylate.
About half of the cannabis in the joint is decarboxylated.
If even if it hadn't been broken down in flower form,
I mean it wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't have

(41:31):
been half activated into THHC. It's just a good idea.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Thisbelated me decarboxylated.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's another tangle. Let me finish this.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
You'll be surprised. It's the simplest thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
So what you end up getting, and to answer the
second part of the gentleman's question, or in the second
part of this answer, what we've got is the opportunity
with dabs to have things that have been well preserved
once you make an extraction. Depending on the form, but
for the most part, if you have in the right
temperature preservation and light preservation conditions as low temperature for

(42:06):
the most part as possible and as little light as possible,
you're going to see a minimal, minimal amount of breakdown. Hence,
you have access to a fresh, pure version of cannabis
where you can have your smorgas board and you can
enjoy all of these different variations of candable.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Which is why you keep your concentrates in the cooler.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's just why you keep your concentration. The more you know,
so this is this is the answer, and that's why,
and that's you know, if anything, that's the benefit of concentrates,
it's not that it's better than flour. It's just better. Well,
let me put it this way. If you bought some
concentrate and you put it in your fridge for a year,

(42:44):
and you came back to it after your odds are
if you had not opened it, that it'd be about
the same product. If you bought a vanilla bean for
about and you put it in a refrigerator and would
just imagine this a year later, that vanilla bean is
going to be pretty desiccated. It's not the same vanilla bean.
But you know what you have at home. If you
had never cannabis, you'd still have vanilla extract. Guess how

(43:05):
many years that vanilla extract will last still in the vanilla.
So what do you have here? The extracted form is
capable of lasting a lot longer and imparting those same
flavors for the experience that you're looking for. So I
couldn't We went nerdy, So I couldn't put the love
of cannabis into into a tighter way of putting it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, I love the answer.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
You know this one. Our question number four is usual.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Question number three question didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Decarboxylation. Okay, so decarboxylation. If you ever want to repeat this,
you know, mini lecture called decarbon Everyone will know what
you mean. So cannabis on the plant for the most part,
you know, when you have a nug of cannabis right
or when it's in the joint but not yet smoked,
it's a form of cannabis or THHC rather called THHC

(43:53):
A THHC A or is the main cannabinoid. But there's
others out there, a form. It's in the thank you,
thank you, right from my from my books, man, I
appreciate it. And in the I taught this man everything,
you know.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
So he was excited. You guys are coming into that
speaking his language.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
So you know, we can say the same about cbd
A and cbc a and so on and so on.
But as the primary cannabinoid that you're feeling, THHC is
available in this raw form, this acidic form called th
HC A. When you affect it with energy, but most
of the time that means lighted on fire. You basically

(44:35):
run through this chemical conversion or not conversion. You run
through a chemical process where a carboxyl molecule is released
from this THC A molecule and it's now decarboxylated.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Good God, which is why he's saying the pre rules
as they sit there. It doesn't have to be the
heat of a fire, the heat of just.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
You know, the energy from the room.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Absolutely, and that is enough to force d car box
on a form of cannabis when it's that further broken,
when it's that far broken down. So really what we're
looking at is a form of cannabis broken down. Now,
this is a this is a functional thing if you're
in if you're in effect of it so or if
you're in control, because what's in this joint is THHCA,
but what's in the smoke is delta nine THHC. Delta

(45:19):
nine THHC is what gets you high. So you want
delta nine. When something's being made into an edible form,
they messed up if they didn't decarboxylate it first and
put it into that decarboxylated form. And you're edible, right
because it's not like it's going to catch on fire
in your body or be that exposed to where you
get the full realm of effects from deltia nine. So

(45:40):
delta nine gets you high. THHCA grows on the plant,
and what differentiates them is decarboxylation.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And that's where they get around a lot of the
laws with the regulations and how you can send you know,
these products that have thhc A because they're not they're
not violating the laws. There are a lot of people are
using the THHCA to get around the different.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I guarantee that's going to be a Jeopardy question one
day and somebody listening to this is all right.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Number three the number Question number three is what is
your gochu munchie? No, no, excuse me. Question number two
is the craziest place you've ever used or consumed cannabis.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
It's been like twenty years, but we also talked about this.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
You don't age you remember, Oh yeah, but I don't
like it, so they won't believe me. I would say
like more than like fun places have been all the
fun places we've smoked. But I would say probably in
San Diego, we went to like the Maritime Museum and
they have all those boats and stuff right there, and

(46:39):
we totally snuck on.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
I think it's the submarine right on like the side
or something.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I remember us smoking on the flagship of California, like
the tall Mass flagship.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Yeah, and it's like one of like there boats us
like going all over the world and stuff like that.
It's like the boat for California and like you totally
smoked it on it.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah they yeah, that was that was memorable trip right there.
We uh and ironically unmemorable at the same time.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
And then the other funny one was we got caught
on Mark Twain's Island at Disneyland.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
How many times I heard that? Answered everybody? Somehow I've
done that such a good idea.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
I'm like, bro, it's Disney a joint, a little joint.
It was going to blow your cover. But let's just
say he doesn't learn.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
It.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
And I thought it all the time, like if you
get my Disney pass taken away, I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Now, question number four understand figured it's going to be Disney.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
It's accurate, and I'm happy to have to have let
that answer stay there. Fortunately it was me who was
present for both of us, so I'm going to stick
with those.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Good question before.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
The reason I'm excited for that one is I'm working
on my summer body. I'm up to a six pack.
Actually it's a one pack right now. But the munchies
is a serious situation. For me, the question is what's
your favorite? But I want to ask the science guy,
is there a cure for the munchies? And if not,
why doesn't somebody make one because they'd be a billionaire.
Or is there a string that will be less unchiness?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
High thhc. The higher the THHC, the more that it's
going to stimulate the receptor that's attached to munchies. So
why do we get munchies? Because there's this thing called
the endocannabinoid system in our body. There's a receptor called
CB one that THHC has a high binding affinity to,
and by binding to that receptor, any cannabinoid, any even
the ones produced naturally with our body, are going to

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confer in effect where it increases your appetite.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Now there's hangover pills. Is there no pill that I
can take to get rid of the munchies?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
There? Once upon a time there was a type of
product called rimonaban a long time ago. It was a
CB one in verse agonist, which is a fancy way
of saying that it shut down your CB one receptor.
It was a diet drug, and that was that the surmise.
Get it, no, no, no hold up. So that was

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Their conclusion was by shutting off this trigger that causes
you know, munchies so to speak, that causes an appetite,
that they would be able to create a product that
controlled your appetite through this otherwise generally undiscovered you know,
unattempted means pathway. And so this this chemical called ramonabant.

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I can't remember all of the things in terms of
the side effects. It did help you lose weight because
it did shut.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Off all of a sudden getting hard.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Increase, the risk of falling down increased, not nausea in
a suicide ideation, boy, dry mouthes. They essentially so what
I think it's a really good idea if anybody ever needs,
you know, some time to take a quick moment and

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appreciate this chemical system in their bodies. You know, it's
like your hormone system, but it's your endocannabinoid system. It's
the reason why our bodies have a relationship with cannabis
in the first place. It's through shutting down that system
you can basically help create that nightmare scenario. This is
even suggesting that your body's own ability to regulate itself
from those things goes away without cannabis.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yes, like you have you know, a digestive system, know
a respiratory system, You've got your indocannabinoid system.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Which and I've asked that question several people, but no
one's actually answered in that way.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
So I do appreciate that. So I did hijack the question.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, what is your go too munch after you get high?

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Well, I like to mindlessly eat, So I go to
cherries because cherries is something I can just like you know,
not destroy my body with and just kind of mindlessly eat.
So I try to stick with fruit like grapes, cherries,
things I can just because I'm working at the same time,
you know so. And then cheese and crackers. I literally
could just live off cheese and crackers.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Is there any type of specific cheese sharp cheddar? And you,
mister Nate, go too much out of sugar.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I've got a sweet tooth, so I've got a sugar addiction.
Like I don't realize that something like you know, I
don't realize that something's wrong with me until either she
says something or it's my fourth dessert And I'm like,
Nate too much like.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Which which dessert specifically?

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Though?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Are you like more chocolate too?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
If we have ice cream, I'll go for that almost
every time.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Is it a vanilla Rocky road?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
The more just complicated, the better. I guess how much
peanut butter and how much I felt like he was
gonna go down the peanut butter. So, I mean, if
anybody else here has a sweet tooth, So let's create
this baseline of like vanilla sweet cream. I'm gonna add
chocolate chips, still going, I'm gonna add some caramel, still
all right? Some peanut butter?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Okay? How much more before you ask me to stop?
That's where we're at.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Nice question number five of the high five. If you
could smoke cannabis with anybody dead or lie, who would
it be?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And why?

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
My top two picks are still alive.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
One would be doctor Dry the other one would be
Dave Girl all right, because I think he's a great
human being and I'd like to pick his brain on
how to be a greater human being.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I like, I was just gonna ask why, and you
Nate Carl Sagan, which that's probably dating me because how
many fucking people know who Carl Sagan.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Is these days? But homeboy was this amazing blend of
philosophy and of philosophy and science. And I was a
fan of weed too, So you know what else could
you ask for in a session?

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Now I know you guys, I mean fans, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Sorry, I mean my wife. I was a good catch.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
My husband too.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
But you guys do smoke together every day, right, Yeah?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Yeah. I think one of the funny things when we
were dating.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
I think he told me that he told a buddy
about his days and girl, and the buddy made some
jokes like, oh, so now you're buying weed for two
and he's like, no, she always has her own weed.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
That's a good girl.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
And on that quick note, I can't even imagine dating,
being married to anything with your life's partner without the
two of you smoking weed that has quelled so many
arguments and giving us both that dual perspective that I mean,
especially me coming from this this agent right here by
all means I can credit parts.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Of It's very rare that you see husband and wife
that are I work, live together, party together, and together.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
And you guys made it work, So you are not
surprised how many people have such Oh my god, you're
still together.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I feel the same way about parenting. I feel like
the best parenting is you can smoke cannabis together and
it's like, you know, you can be able to find
those common grounds and then not be as angry at
what the kid did or who.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Smoke and build legos man.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Someone who step on the legos.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
So if somebody who wants to hear more, obviously you
guys are passionate about educating everybody. How can they find
you on socials or how can they get a hold
of you?

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Well, me, I'm starting my solo career and I'm working
on it. I'm actually I'm pretty comfortable here because I've
known you forever and but normally I'm like, oh my god,
camera running high. But I'm pushing myself. So my Instagram
is Missus Cannilore and missus and then c A N

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N A L l.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
U are excellent. Surprised they did that?

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Okay, So yeah, Missus Cannelore and I kind of want
to take this approach to approaches where you know, I
have a lot of girlfriends they smoke weed, but they
have no idea what's going on in this industry. And
I have a lot of cana wife friends who you know,
when you're married into cannabis.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
It's just like it's a whole different beast, you know.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
We we can laugh about the same things about you know,
oh yeah, when they're on their phone and they're just
pacing back and forth for forty five.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Minutes, you know, stuff like that. So and I want
to also.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Bring in some of my frustrations in the industry and
you know, kind of express what those are and and
just educate the community, you know, kind of reaching out
to some of ladies out there, because I think if
I feel I'm talking to my friends, it's going to
be easier to just say what's on my mind.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
So, yeah, missus Kenda.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Law the Real Housewives of Cannabis.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
We're not that dramatic. We would just be like, hey, man,
are we fighting? Let's go pour some prosecco.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
What about you? Nate?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Mine is Candi centric? Well, first plug the lab Bell
Coastal Labs, you know, and that's the instagram. I'm CANi centric,
like a portmanteau of eccentric and cannabis, right, but right,
Candi centric. That's how to find me. That's all about
the education kind of side of things too, and being
able to now pursue what I feel is going to
be the best way to talk to you know, the

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many hopeful fans of cannabis now and in the future,
and all of the people in terms of what they're getting,
what they're smoking, what they're missing, all that fun stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I got one more question for you too before you
late guys get out of here. So, if I'm just
a consumer and I want to bring my product, so
do you guys as well? Like just random tests for
the wars, they just have to be through metrics.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It doesn't have to be by metric. If you as
that every man want to bring part of your backyard
grow into us and see if you know you inadvertently
contaminated with heavy metals or pesticides or trust.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Me, just marijuana or MDMA and other substances as well cannabis.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
We specialized on cannabis, not much said. I mean, that
hasn't stopped people from bringing us an avocado from the yard.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
And say, do you guys test this?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
So we're a cannabis specialized set well.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
And one thing he has worked with a couple of
people is I'm like, recently a lady's dog got sick
because they like did a pesticide outside of our house
or something like that. So I know, like we've tested
soil and stuff for people who like their animals have
gotten sick or their kids have gotten sick and they're
taking it to court or something like that, and they
want to know more and have.

Speaker 6 (56:50):
The data so it can get creative.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
But more in that avenue where you know, we're primarily
looking for helping people find like contaminations that my favor
property and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
That's a big kind of future ology, if you will,
aspect of cannabis and cannabis testing. If I take another
minute or two to to tell you guys about it,
it's root cause analysis because as a lab, you know,
what we do is test things. What if you fail,
what do you do? Did the heavy metals come from
your soil? Did they come from your water? Where did

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they come from? Was it pesticides? Where in your facility
these pesticides come? And how did it make it make
its way over to you? Oftentimes I can figure that out,
usually able to figure out based on what kind of
contaminant I see and what type of likely areas it
came from, nested within a pretty vast at this point,
two dozen years in this you know at twenty twenty three,

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two dozen years in cannabis, and I'm able to see
oftentimes between taking swabs and looking at things that are microscopic,
right and basically being able to kind of create this
logical puzzle of what I saw, where it comes from,
and how it works, and I'm able to tell what happens.
I've got a really good track record for what exists
in other industries, but root cause analysis for cannabis, I

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think that at this point we can say we fathered
that movement and it's a big one.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Nice that's a big separator between you guys and other
labs out there, as you guys will actually do that
root cause analysis or saying yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
He does SI inspections. I think we've coined the term
ask for jillous whisperer.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Ask for jillous? Is that harmful mold? That that that's
just death for a batch up there? No one wants
to see that.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Well, you guys, I could personally talk to you guys
all day and I read a science Questions. I think
we're going to definitely have you guys back. On that note,
I wanted to thank you guys sincerely. You guys kind
of you probably don't notice what you pop my CQ
one O one Cherry. I have the show on Financial Fridays,
but this is the first time that I've got to
co host this with Chris, and you know, it's a
little bit rough at the beginning, but I think by
the end of it it worked out good. Thanks thank

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you to the entire staff that kind of put up
with us today too. So it's all last minute me
popping in. But I love having guys on here.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
You want to pose that out busy.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, thank you guys for coming so much. Anybody house
wants to check them out. Check them out out. Boucoslabs
dot com.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Yeah, that's the website and then the instagram is autpol
Coastal Labs.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Z o STA.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
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