January 9, 2023 • 58 mins
A snapshot into the Sober Junkies life. From living with two gay dads ate age 7, to entering Prison at 26. He opens up and discusses his journey and how he created the KICK KIT to help you KICK your drug of choice. CANNABIS TALK 101
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fifty two. Now today we have a very very special guest.
Not only is he a recovering drug addict. When I
say drugs, I'm talking about the hard ship, the dope,
the ship that the ships so hard you call it ship,
Give me that ship. I gotta stick that ship in
my arm, in my toes, Heroin, meth, you name it.
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He did it. He went to prison because not thirty
days in some county jail. Is I'm talking hard time,
seven years state prison in the shoe in the whole
hard time, real hard time because of drugs. Because drugs
can make you break the law, they can take control
of your life. Joe Grande knows a little something about that.
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We can ask him someday. Today we are going to
learn firsthand what we WHOA sorry, I just gotta fly
flew right in my eye and I knocked over the
mic as I was getting ready to tell you what
we believe here at Cannabis Talk one oh one, That
cannabis is an exit medicine. Yes, let that sink in
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exit medicine to get you off the real drugs, the
prescription drugs, yes, legal drugs, opiates. They're killing people every day.
And today we have my good friend, I call him
my little brother, who's actually a giant when you meet him,
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a giant amongst men. Extremely talented singer, songwriter, actor, artist,
the creator of the kick Kit ladies and gentlemen, the
sober junkie. Hey, how are you? Blessings, love, light and
smoke man. Uh, so excited to hear your voice man,
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and and and you know now I can see it
here and uh, the vibes are good man, and energy
is right. Um. I know COVID's crazy and got people
all worried and this and that, but you know, I'm happy.
I took this as a time to just keep going
instead of slowing down and getting scared. You know, I
turned it up a notch, Mark, I turned it up.
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That's right. These these times right now, there's a lot
of it's scary. It's scary, and you can sit back
and let the fear consume you and worry you to death,
or you can take that fear and worry and do
something with that energy, which is something that I know
know that you're you're always doing new and different things.
So before I really get into everything with you that
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I want to get into, because you've got to You've
got a long, complex life, and I've got a relatively
short time. I wish I had two, three or four
hours to spend with you, let alone, let alone two
or three days to really dig into everything that the
sober Junkie is, who he is, how he's become, what
he's become, everything you believe in. And so I want
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to take the people chronologically fairly quickly through your life
and we're gonna hit the We're gonna hit the points
that we gotta hit. But first, I just wanted to
give you the floor to make a little opening statement
about what you're doing, where you're headed, and especially as
you started to allude to what you're doing to help
people during these hard times, absolutely so um so for you.
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For those of you who don't know who I am,
I'm the Sober Junkie and um, like Mark said, I'm
a guy that's had had a pretty crazy journey, just
like a bunch of y'all, and if not y'all, somebody
you know. Um, And I made a decision to get
and when I did so, cannabis was my egit drunk
and I actually also used twelve Step program and I
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hit the cannabis thing, but it was what got me clean.
It's what did it for me. And and the twelve
Step program, which I loved. I loved the fellowship and
people staying clean, you know, the people, places and things.
I had to change all of that. Um, but that's
who I am. I'm the sober junkie. I'm that heroin addict,
that junkie. They got clean using cannabis, right and change
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in my life. And so right now you're right now,
you know, with the COVID and everything, the performances and
the live performance and stuff have been kind of you know,
it is what it's been. But just briefly, what where
can people catch you if they want to see you
perform right now? Online somewhere or where would you steer them? Um?
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Right now, we're actually got I actually have some stuff
in the works for one, but right now is catch
me on my Instagram. I'm going live, I'm connecting with people.
Were singing all the time. Um we actually uh hey,
I also see I also see you working out a
lot too on your I G live, bro, you got
that started? Hey, hey, go ahead, get what what? What? What?
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You got inspired by? I was telling you that, you man,
And I told you. I remember I was. I had
I had lost some weight, but I wasn't all the
way in shape, right. I had a belly, I wasn't happy,
I was sluggish, and I was like, man, I don't
want to be like this no more. And when I
said that to you, you went, what, yeah, you do?
Look at that doughnut. Did I have a donut in
my hand or something crazy? You did? You had a
donut that same moment you said, I don't want that.
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That's right. I remember that. I can't say that ship
around me. You know, say what you do, do what
you say right that part right there? Baby? So um,
that started it, man. And And to be honest, man,
especially getting through COVID, I really buckled down, Mark, I
really buckled down, and I changed my diet and I
started working out and are working on loving myself man
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during this whole time. And that's what I've been doing,
is sharing it on my Instagram, sharing it on the life,
being sharing it in the stories. You know. Um, I've
stayed in the studio, working really hard, and I gotta
go by the guidelines. You know, I got the mask
on until I'm in the booth and everything else. But
I'm doing what I gotta do to protect myself and
my family at home. But I'm still living. Don't stop
living because it is. But be smart, you know what
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I mean, Be smart? You know, And like people said,
if it isn't real, right, I don't care. I'm still
gonna be protected because if it is, I'm good. Just
in case, yeah, nornin foul, just in case. Now. Now,
one thing about Sober Junkie is that he is He's
such a genius and he's very It's very hard to
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keep up with him because his fluid thoughts, which transcend consciousness,
can leave you feeling like you might have missed something important.
He says, So for the sake of my sanity, and
are listeners benefit my brother, I'm gonna take you. You're
gonna take us, with my help here through your life chronologically.
And I mean it. I mean, when were you born?
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Give us your birthday? March tenth, March tenth, nineteen seventy nine. Okay,
and where merce said, California, what's your mother's name Dolores
Yvonne Hill. What's your father's name, Michael Everett Buckner from
age zero born to ten. Whom did you live with? Um?
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That was my mama, my mom, and it it's seven
years old. It was about seven is when I left. Yes,
well but so so so where was your father? So
dad was kind of doing his own thing. My mom
and dad split up when I was very young. My
dad came out to my mom and let her know that, Um,
he tried to love her and he wanted to have
a child. He wanted to be straight, but it's not
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who he was. And he told her, although I love
you and you're amazing and I I just it's not
who I am. So they split up. They remained friends.
Dad stayed kind of hear for a while. Then Dad
went to San Francisco and I stayed with Mom up
until the age of about seven or eight, when my
dad showed up to Los Banos, California, and I moved
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with him two uh West Hollywood and so lived in
So you moved with your uh day, your gay father
to West Hollywood when you were seven or eight, about
seven or eight? Yeah, alright, and how many years? How
many years did you live with him. I was there
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with him from second to fifth grade. When I turned twelve,
I got, I got it was I guess that's something
that you can do. I guess when people in the
child swelve years old, I can decide which parents they
want to be with. Yeah. Yes, I used to get
absolutely that there's really no hard and fast age. But
because it depends on maturity and and different you know,
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levels of of maturity. Um, but at some point they're
gonna let the kid make it. So make the kid's
own decisions. So and that's unfortunate, that's it's fucked up.
I did family law for fifteen years and to make
a kid have to say mom or dad because of
legal reasons, which you know, that's that's what you had
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to do. So so when you did that, so you
how you were how old? Yeah? Grade? So you were twelve?
Now now, from from seven to twelve living with your father,
were you introduced to any types of drugs or alcohol?
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My dad was a party animal. My dad was a
party animal. Um, and I saw it all, you know
what I mean? Um, did you taste it with a
friend of mine? Actually? Was it offered? Was it offered
to you by your father or anybody that was with him. No,
they left it out and me and my friend got
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into it. Yep. Now, let me ask you this because
now we fast forward to today and you're a parent, right,
would you just leave anything out like that? Just leave
it out so maybe your kids could get it, you know,
and neither would I? You know, right, so so, but
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things are definitely different now. We're talking so many, so
many years ago in the past. So when you're talking
about when you're talking about it's left out and you
tried it, what are we talking about? Just alcohol? Are
we talking about? What are we talking about? Hold? Hold?
I have a freaking uh ambulance siren going by my house.
You know, the lovely pleasures of COVID and having to
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do things remote instead of our lovely studios. You know,
we have a great studio, your studio, and we haven't
even got to get you over at the I Heart studio.
You know. Once that's all done, then okay, we're good,
let's get back at it. Go ahead. So it was
cocaine and they left it out and me and my
friend Kirk, I'll never forget it. We had the straws
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and we didn't snort it, but we tasted it on
the straw and my tongue went numb. And even as
a child, that little bit of taste and it had
both of our hearts racing. We got scared, you know
what I mean. Um, And I didn't try it again
after that, you know, but still I had that There
was a lot even though I don't feel he was
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a bad dad and and all that, you know, there's
a lot of choices he made I feel that we're bad.
But for the most part, it was when those parties happened,
you know. And and that was the thing is because
he was an addict man, he was he was doing addic.
Mine was gosh, no, your dad's your dad's my dad's
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speed for sure, cocaine math, yeah, for sure for sure.
And alcohol now now, so so you're around you're about
ten when you first did the coke on your tasting
it and stuff, and this is going on, i'd say
about that because we lived on sweet sirs so um
so so yeah. So let me just trying to remember
where with the house in the age and you know, so,
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so I'm imagining this that these parties happen every so often.
Your mom hears about it, and at some point mom
makes the decision I need to go to court to
get my kid because he's doing coke. Well, no, it
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was more like she just knew that she wanted me,
and she knew that it wasn't a good situation for me,
and she knew that he partied all the time, and
she didn't even go to court. She just said when
I was twelve, he allowed me to. He's like, you're twelve,
you make up your mind now and I want to
go with my mom. That then though, So then you
were spared having to go through the court process, at
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least any of the court process. Your father was a
smart man to do that. I'll be you know, I mean, wow,
that's that that cuts out? You know, five minutes of
my interview. I was going to go through the whole
court divorce process. I thought that, uh, you had to
go through that. But no, So so when you're twelve,
you know, was there a part of what about when
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you're eleven? Like that year from eleven to twelve was there?
Did you want to go back to your mom? And
he's like no, So that's what happened. So I never
really it didn't dawn on me like it was an
issue that my dad was gay. Like I knew that
him and COLEI were together, and I knew they loved
each other. But it wasn't weird. There was no like.
It was just I knew that it wasn't bad to me,
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but it didn't seem awkward to me. Why wait, I
gotta interrupt you, Yes, I got I gotta ask a question,
as if Joe were here. I gotta ask a question
because Joe would start asking a lot of questions, I think,
and I'm getting inspired by Joe. Um. But these parties
that went on with your dad, I mean, well you
did you actually see the the sex happening? Were they orgy?
What kind of parties were these? It was? It was
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crazy parties. But I would go in my room and
shut my door. You know, I had everything to do
in there. I had Hello, g I, Joe's, I had
a TV bunk bed. I was by myself, but I'd
shut my door. Did you we didn't see anything? Nope?
What did you hear about that? Oh? It was wild
ship going on. But I'd be playing my games not
wanting to hear it. You know what I mean, being
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a kid, Turn it up, play video games. You know
because Nintendo. He came out. You know, my daughter yells
at me and my wife and said, see you not
shake the beds so loud at night. So I get it.
I get it. So all right. So so you at twelve,
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now you you are you are allowed. You are allowed
between your parents basically civilly. It is no less because
again I did family law for fifteen years, and that's
highly unusual. Two people with custody over kids agreeing on
not even using the court system, which is the best.
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I used to try to talk people out of coming
to me all the time. It's like, it's just all
you're gonna do is spend money and argue. Just can't
you agree? So I think that's great, and you uh
chose your to go with your mom, and so then
you moved back to where Mer said, Los Bonios, California,
which from her said, so so you you leave your
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mom at seven or eight, you come back at twelve.
You're you're you're a hardcore drug user. You've done coke,
You've done no Okay, so it's not that bad. You've
just taste. I'm a very I'm very different though, because
my dad. The one thing I loved about My dad
was fashion style music. He let me listen to whatever
I wanted. I could dress however I wanted. I had
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a huge long ducktail, crazy haircut along ducktail. My ears
were peers. I wore jammers, like cut off shorts and like.
I was very alien. When I showed up to Los
Bonrios in fifth grade, I was very alien, and nobody
really liked me because I was so different. And I immediately,
as a child, kind of got depressed and and started
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eating like crazy, and then I got choky. Right, hold
on now, hold on, So so you're twelve. Now, it's
at some point here you're starting high school. You're getting
into high school now. In junior high, junior high was
it was important, Okay, glad, you said, well, tell me
about junior high. So as as we went in from
from I was cool at first. In fifth grade, when
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I first showed up, I was cool. I had friends.
Sixth grade got kind of difficult for me. I started
to get heavy, I started gaining weight because I didn't
have friends. I didn't I was going through stuff as
a child. Right, my grandfather dies, right and before I
turned third team Grandpa dies and that was my world.
My granddaddy was my world. That was like, that was
my my dad, you know, that's that was, and and
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he passes and I just I got depressed and I
committed I tried to commit suicide. Mark, I drank a
bottle of tian all with coding. And wait, how old
are you? Twelve years old almost thirteen, so now hold on,
so hold on. So so this is going into seventh grade,
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like going into seventh grade right right, and you're you're
just you had just moved back to your mom's fifth
grade twelve years old. Fifth grade. I moved back in
fifth grade to sixth grade. And then seventh grade is
when off sixth grades, when my grandfather died. Seventh grade
is when I started getting bullied and everything else. So
fifth grade I got back. I might be wrong on
my age, but but during the okay, I understand, Yeah,
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that's good, we can. Fifth grade. Now during this span,
were you turning to any kind of drugs or alcohol? Nope? Okay,
So then then you hit seventh grade, junior high right,
and now our grandfather had passed away. You're eating more,
you're depressed. Your grandfather's passing affected you obviously majorly majorly.
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That's when I so, I attempted literally suicide my Then
I went into the room with my mom and I
told her I just drank a bottle of this and
I don't want to die. And I was scared, So
they rushed me the hospital where they had to pump
my stomach. Um. I ended up going to Medesto Psychiatric Center,
which is about forty five minutes north of Los Banos,
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and I stayed there for thirty days. They had to
do an evail because I was considered fifty one fifty
because I tried to commit suicide. Um, but I was.
I was depressed, man, I was. I was getting bullied,
I was getting picked on in school. I missed my granddaddy.
I didn't have anybody. I was overweight. Life was just
you know what I mean. I wanted my dad, even
though you know we may not have had the best
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relationship or whatever. He's more like a friend. I missed him.
That was my dad. Did you talk to him at all?
Or was it? It was? But he was more about himself. Man,
he was just too wrapped up in his own stuff.
And I don't hate him for that. Man, just the
type of guy he was. You know, I don't think
he really intended to even have children. To hear my
mom talked about it, you know what I'm saying. So
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it's kind of it's kind of right exactly. So the
kind of the kid thing was kind of a was
kind of you know, they just I would imagine and
I guess this would be a whole other show. Maybe
is your dad around these days? I haven't spoke to
him because because what I'm imagining is like a lot
of a lot of men in his age back then,
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I mean, to be gay was was you would you?
You know, you're unimaginable, right for some people in some places,
many many men hid hit it and lived alternate lives
to show that they, in fact, we're straight. So you know,
maybe he went through something like that, but but nonetheless
went through a lot. He went through a lot, and
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and and I he's talked to me about it. And
that's what I understand now that you know, I believe
my higher power, the Creator, you know, gave me that
life so that I would be able to understand people
and love people in a different way. Because my dad
sat and had a heart to heart. I'll never forget it.
When I was a kid, and he explained it. Daddy
didn't choose to be like this. I didn't. It's not
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something that he wanted. It was the most difficult thing
ever ever, that I've ever had to deal with they
go through. If I could have just been straight and
been with your mom, I promise you I would have. Baby.
I tried, because I know my dad loved me, you know,
but he was fighting a battle within himself, man, his
whole existence. And I know he's still out there and
I've forgiven him, but it's it's just he's kind of
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he doesn't want anything to do with me, you know,
well his loss, his absolute lost because and these grand
babies too. Fine, person's absolutely absolutely he you know that's
I know a little something about that. But but you
come back from trying to commit suicide in seventh grade,
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that he must have been a fourteen fifteen whatever it is,
and uh, how do you recover or what happens next?
Going into eighth grade? I ended up so out of
seventh In the eighth I ended up getting in with
the group of cats, you know, trouble, the kids, the
kids that were picking on me. I ended is I
started kicking it with them. So you wouldn't get picked on.
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I kind of feel that's probably what I was doing
it for. And I just wanted to fit in so
bad man, And um, let me ask you this. Hold on,
let me ask you. Let me ask you this. So
were you starting to do um, you know, bad, disruptive, illegal,
mischievous things to fit in? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean you
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say that like you say that, like like, yeah, that's what. Well,
that's just what That's what I did. That's what we
had to do around there wherever it was, you know,
because for me, I never my friends, I hung I, well,
I'm not without doing ship in my life. That's mischievous.
But but there are things that I was presented with
and I am doing that man, like the fun and
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I was like fifteen and sixteen, you know, so you know,
it's it's the you know, the cultural difference and where
people you know, grow up in, in the environment that
they're in and what they're exposed to, you know, leads
to whatever it is you're going to be getting into.
And so you're you're fitting in now. Now Now are
the drugs and alcohol start starting to be a yeah? Yeah,
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we we would drinking you know, vodka and orange juice,
kicking it with the homies in the park on Friday nights.
And you know, the first time I smoked pot was well,
my boy Andy and we got her from his sister sawting.
We stole her weed from her and we went to
the canal bank. And but the weed wasn't really like
it wasn't. It was just to do it. The stuff
that we was do was more alcohol, uh, smoking wet
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PCP you know what I mean, like you know, street
drugs like you know, And it was just to be cool.
So it wasn't like an everyday thing. It was just
when we would kick it, we would do drugs and
go steal ships, steal cars, fights with other kids. You
know that now now crazy? Yeah, now hold on now
we're now we're getting into some good criminal activity that
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you're you're engaging in. And and what period of time,
what time frame? When? No, let's do this. When was
the first time you got arrested for doing this stuff? Oh? Dude,
I was strick man. I mean, well, actually no, it wasn't.
That's like hold on, wait wait a minute, wait, hold on,
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that's a simple question. When was the first time you
got arrested? Um? Think you think because I want to
put it. I want to, I want to, I want
to get a time. I'm gonna reference point here because
you get into junior high school. Were you in high school? Yeah?
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It was during high school. So you got arrested the
first time in high school. Do you remember what you
were arrested for the very first time? Yeah? Man, we
uh we stole a bunch of wood to build a
half pipe. But you stole I know that's crazy. No,
no, no no, no no, wait, we told a bunch of wood
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to build a half pipe. That's something that skateboarders use, right,
is that what you're talking about? We're actually yeah, we
were my bikesicles, rollerblades, skateboard scooters, being all that. Hold on,
hold on, now, what this is? Your first crime is
stealing wood to build a fucking so so so so
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and you're trying to stay out of trouble. Well yeah, okay,
Now let me ask you this. Was there smoking and
drinking going on before the thievery of the wood. No,
it wasn't nothing like that. All the stuff that we
did when we drank and got in trouble, we got
away with. Man, I'm not gonna lie to you, bro.
We got away with so much. I got in trouble,
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trouble when I got older. We're going so so six
years old, so way out of high school. So but
the first time you're arrested in high school is for
stealing stealing wood? How did you get how did where
was the wood? These older skateboarder kids snitched on us, bro.
So they were building these houses and we're a bunch
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of poor kids and we were trying to stay out
of trouble, and we didn't have no, you know, way
to buy the wood. And we're like, well, they got
all kinds of wood, and we knew this skateboarder, this
older cat, was like, will steal us wood, and we'll
take all the wood for you guys. You guys, go
steal it. We'll give you yours, but we want some.
And then they got in trouble, told the cops on us,
snitched on us, and they came and we got arrested,
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don't know how for everything? Yeah, bro stf you, bro.
So that's where they were. Big kids were like younger
and there were these older kids like, oh man, yeah,
they have no honor, they have no honor, they have
no soul. And I'm sure they got what they deserved.
But we don't have to talk about so. So so
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you just said it. So twenty six years old is
the first time you get arrest still, so so let's
talk about it. So from from from high school, let's say,
so from eighteen years of eight to you are when
we can really start using drugs to the point I
need to steal a car so I can get money
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so I can get my drugs. When that start? So,
oh man, dude, I'm in Orange County. I started, and
this is when the price started. Actually saw we's done
a good twenty six. Don't like the pregan at six?
You know what? You know what that's that's just perfect
because my stopwatch stopped and we I could, I could
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talk to you, but we got to do seconds here.
It is a show. And when we come we are
gonna talk about sober junkie and go into prison right
here on cant this talk one on one. Let back
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Mark and Craig and Pop Brothers at Law, Blue and
Joe Grande, mark little brother the loss here holding it
down once again as blue Joe Grande and my big
brother out social distancing somewhere, and I'm here, of course
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with the sober junkie singer artists, activists. I mean, the
list goes on and on with the things this guy
is doing. But before he got there, he went to prison,
state prison, the whole the shoe saw at all thanks
to things like meth and harrowing the frangle and take
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control of somebody's life. And and thank you so much
for being so open and honest with every buddy. And
it's it's helps me bigger than me, more bigger than me, man,
it helps people. Okay, so we left off you had
you had, you had been running around after high school
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doing doing drugs, doing party and stealing things. But at
some point there it turned into the real hard stuff,
the meth, the heroine and you were you were robbed,
you were you were robbing and stealing to get your
hands on on the drugs. Right, And so what was
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the crime that landed you in prison? So that was
g t A Now evasion grand theft auto right in
the evasion and you were evading, oh so this car chase. Yeah,
does the car chase? I'm sorry, I don't mean to
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get so excited, but that's exciting. You watch it on TV,
It's like, well, let's carcase. So you you're one of
these guys who has maybe filmed being how many I
was on the front I was on the front page
of the Medeskto paper. I took him on an l
of a shapes man. Alright, so hold on. I took
him from Turlock, California to Dinare, California, and I hit
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back road country roads. I was, you know, going over
a hundred and thirty five eighty four El Camino with
a four fifty four supersport. Yeah, eighty four El Camino.
And so wait a minute, by one one day baby?
All right? You know I'm an attorney, So let's go back.
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I gotta, I gotta, so do do you do you
at all remember the year or the date at all?
Two thousand six? Uh? Two thousand and six? November? Oh wow? Okay, alright,
so November fourteen, two thousand six, you wake up that morning?
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What did you do? Huh? Yeah? Where is Joe Grande
when I need him? Right now? So wait a minute,
you get you get arrested November. Let me let me
make Joe Grande happy. It was a long night builded
crazy drug and and and influenced sex with my now
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wife of fifteen years. Well, now that's an awesome that's
an awesome ending that we get to look forward to.
And so we're talking, uh, November two thousand, two thousand six,
two thousand six, Yeah, that's when you get arrested. Right,
When was before November fourteen, two thousand and six when
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you got arrested? When was the last time you had slept? Oh?
My gosh, bro, I mean, dude, I would be up
for four or five days? No, good enough, good enough?
Let me let me let me walk us through as
best we can with your memory. That's amazingly pretty keen,
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considering all the damage you've done to it with all
the bro's. But cannabis is but probably as saving you.
So they tell you it's against you, but in all
actuality to cannabis is medicine, man, and it's done a
lot more for me. Good, I'll tell you right now.
All right, So it's four or five days before this,
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and so as it's like November nine or ten, and
what are you doing. Give us a typical before your
before you go on some kind of freaking bender where
you're up for four or five days. What are you
just waking up from having done that already? Yeah, yeah,
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probably twenty four hours, because I would go hard. I'd
wake up. I woke up that morning and I had dope.
I remember, I had a lot of dope, probably by
an ounce and a half of meth on me and
um and I had a bunch of uh norcos you know,
the payment medication and opiates, you know. And I was like,
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we gotta go. We went. We went to at Water.
I told her, we gotta go to at Water. I
need to get some tires because we had a tahoe
which was also stolen, but I bought it from someone
who hadn't paid their payments, right, so we're just on
the run from the from the toe man, not from
like you know what I mean. They just weren't gonna
pay the payments. And it's not illegal to drive around
the car. But once they find it, they take it.
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So I gave a guy money. I just told but
the tires were bad, and I told Ray, I was like, yo,
let's go to Atwater. Go see what's going on? So
we went to a dope house and at water go
sell some math and top it up and hang out
with some people. And I see the El Camino out front.
I'm like, damn, that's just clean as funck and uh,
to be honest, I was looking at the tires. I
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was like, well those work on here because they're both like,
you know, that's like Chevy el Camino. I was like
trying to figure out at the tide because I'm not
a car guy, you know what I mean. I don't
really know ship like that. So I'm like, I want
I think I could put those tires on this tahoe.
And I went inside start talking. I think it's the
dude's car. It's inside, and I'm like, well, bro, i'll
give you an eight ball. Let me ride that motherfucker.
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Let me drive it for a little bit. Homegirl here
knows me. You know the house where at the dope house,
I said, homegirl knows me. Man, I'm solid, bro, I'll
give you my word. Man, I'll be back. And I
would have been back. I was just gonna take his
ship and I just give him a reason to something
to happen back. But so we take off, I still
ready to follow. We go to Turlock from mat Water,
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get to Turlock. I went to some people we knew
to live right off the freeway, guy and a girl,
and we're gonna talk to them. They didn't answer. We
sat outside in front of their place for a while.
I was getting sketchy. I was like, let's go just
follow me. Follow me in the uh, in the taw
I'm gonna take the El Camino. We're gonna go to
the Nair. I know some dope fings out there, some
junkies and dude a mechanic. He'll do the swap for me.
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So we start driving out at Turlock right and we're
in front of Turlock High School and to the right
to the left of me, it's good old Johnny law Well,
my boy, one of my brothers from Dead End Locals.
My brother Chip at Rest in Peace had given me
an all red Indians hat that night because I'm Native,
and he was always like, yo, this this Indians have, bro.
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You know I want you to have it. It's all
red and you know that's your people. And I was like, oh, thanks, Bro.
So I wore that hat that night. That's what the
cops seened so because they said and later on in
the report. Right. So I look at him, he looks
at me, and I'm like, ah, fuck, Desire is right
behind me. Rage driving behind me. So I start to drive. Well,
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anyone knows turlock. I'm getting close to the cuts and
the out the out outcuts right, so I'm oh and it.
All of a sudden, he gets by, he flips a bit,
gets behind. At this point, I got a forty five
on me loaded. I got a suck full of syringes
loaded with meth. I got a pocket full of orcos,
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like a hundred and forty of them. I'm on the
road already from parole. I was already on the run,
not from parole. I believe I was on the run
from I was on the run from probation in Orange County,
not parole prison ship, because I got in trouble in
Orange County earlier on before prison. Remember I told you
this is prison, right, wait wait, wait right, all right,
let me and let me let me clarifying case your
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people are confused because we talked. We were not talking
about the first time you got arrested. We're talking about
to jail or the first time you went to jail,
jail or the first time you went to jail. We're
talking the first time you went to prison. So we
kind of jumped ahead. You already you've already been to
county jail and you've been on probable that actually I
purposefully did that. I'm glad you brought it up so
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we could explain it, make sure every he understands, because
that's boring. Ship. I don't I don't ideal, I don't
want to talk about your county jail whatever. And this
is the ship that got you into state prison, So
go ahead. So I'm like, I I reached down a
N seven point five. Is is the radio station my
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uncle always listens to, and it's oldies. And I was like,
he turned his lights on, no sirens, just the lights
are on, And I said, well, here we go, loaded
hold on, hold on, because you have a you have
a split. You know, you have a decision to make.
Right when those lights right now? Did the thought I'm fucked,
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I'm caught, I'm pulling myself over And did that ever
enter your mind or was it straight to the flight
like I got all where in that moment? Is there
even a thought where you're going? Where? Where? Are you
gonna go? You're just so I did. I did think
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of a couple of things. I knew somebody a couple
of towns over. I figured if I could get to
their place, I could jump the fence and deal with
their pitbull. Um. And while I was driving, because of
this high speed, I'll get to that. I did a
lot of thinking. Man, this was a crazy I was.
I was on the run for a good you know
miles and it's like through, you know, nine miles straight away,
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turned your way out in the middle of nowhere. It
was raining, I had the lights off, they had the
ghetto birds on me, they had uh regular police sheriff's
highway patrol. But I did. I thought for a second,
and I thought, honestly, Mark, I said, I'm done. It's over,
and I'll be real, and I'm not saying this in
a glorified way or nothing. I was so lost. I
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was so lost, man, that I was ready to just
this way. Sorry, I got another freaking ambulance going by. Problem,
all right, all right, so go ahead. I was. I
was at that point, bro where I was like, fuck it,
whatever happens happens, and I gunned it and he his
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siren went off group and it was on. And let
me tell you, man, I had the radio pull blast,
I had begun on my waist. It was such a
long fucking run that I had got on this straight
away for a minute and it was dark out and
it's raining and my lights are off, and I said
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bucket and I chucked the gun. Then I chucked syringes
because I'm thinking, funk, I can get out and I
could run. At least this ship ain't near me any
on me. I won't get extra charges that they catch me.
I could dump this ship and I did, but I
forgot I had Norcos who was still in my pocket.
And so I'm gone, dude, and I'm literally blowing through
There's a coming into dinair. There's a four way intersection,
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and there's diesels coming both ways. It's fucking raining and
I'm blowing through fucking four way intersections, bro at a
hundred and twenty miles an hour plus in the rain,
and I didn't give a fuck. I was lost. Bro. Oh,
So so you did they did they recover any of
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that ship you tossed over? No? Okay, So that that
was like, yeah, that's that. That's say you already know
what what that saved you? Um? So, so how did
it end? How did it with me crashing into a tree?
It wasn't your decision? No, No, you crashed locked it up,
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and I crashed and and knocked me out. I woke
up to the dog's barking and then screaming at me
with the guns and then they dragged me out of
the car and beat the ship out of me, dude.
And I was seizing and seizing, dude. I was convulsive, bro,
like seasing from the amounts of drugs that were in
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my system. Bro. So so okay, you know what I
want to talk about that now for a second. What's
what is in your sister? Tell everything? Tell me everything
that's it was in your system at that time. Oxies,
oxy codons, bike, it ins, um, heroin, meth h alcohol,
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maybe no ecstasy, stirrup, lean, probably a little bit of lane,
which is coding right. Yeah, I was doing everything. Alcohol
really wasn't my thing. That was like a last fucking resort. Cannabis. No,
I didn't funk with cannabis. Bro, that's so fucking crazy.
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That's that's why that's why I no, No, it's it's
that's amazing. I mean, and that's that's that is Yet
that is just one instance that cannabis wasn't no gateway
drug for you. You know, hit you taste it all
coke when you were eleven, So I mean, Jesus, that's
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a gateway drug. So all right, so all right, it's hard.
It's it's I know, we I know, we have you
for a limited time because you have a show you're
doing tonight. Is it is it a virtual show or
is it what's what kind of just a private family
thing someone has had has me and uh, we have
a meeting in this evening. And then they actually hired
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my guitar player to perform. But since he's my guitar
player and it's friends and family, I'm gonna perform too
as a surprise. So they don't know the sober junkies
popping into sing a few songs. No, they just think
I'm coming to hang out nice. You're really a wonderful man.
That's that's my business partner with the kick kid man.
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Oh that's and you know what, we got to talk
about that so you know what I mean, as we
could go on forever, you know, And actually I think
it's a good time to to kind of break it there,
and we could we could have you back and talk
and go in detail about your how long in prison
in and out and stuff? Seven years honestly seven or
eight years in and out? Yeah? Yes, so and and
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you know what, I'm sure, I'm sure Joe Blue and
my brother would love to get in on that. So
let's say, I know Grande for sure, Oh my god,
I mean, well, he just wants to know if you
got banged in the ass. You know, don't answer that here,
you know, but I already know what he's gonna say,
(43:28):
you know, but but but nonetheless, the kick Kit. I'm
glad that you know. I want to talk about that.
And you know the kick that's k I C K
K K I T the kick Kit. I'm you said
those two words to me. I want to say, maybe
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the maybe three years ago or so soon after we met,
four years maybe, um, that you had this idea you
wanted to do the kick kid. Tell us what the
now it seems it's going to be a reality. Tell
us what it is. So when I got clean, I
used cannabis, that was my thing, and I used the
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twelve step recovery and I hid the cannabis thing. And
then after having over eight years clean actually, like I said,
about three years ago, I was like, you know what,
I'm clean. This is working for me. And now the
the technology, the things we found out that nano, the
you know, the sibling rules, that all this stuff that
cannabis has now right, and all the things that we've
(44:33):
been learning about, the CBD, the CBG, you know, Delta A,
Delta nine like all these things that we have right.
So I was like, dude, I want to make a
kid where people have all the things that they need,
but they go through a withdrawal. But I can't say
do this, do that, do this, do that? You know,
we can't do that. But I know I could get
the right stuff and put it together. You know what
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I'm saying to where it's it's not the miracle thing,
but it's exactly what you need to it through the
withdraw and to be able to do it and not
feel like you're dying. Because Mark, like I told you,
that was the scariest thing for me. So many times
I tried to get clean, Bro, but the withdrawal every
time pulled me back. Bro. I think it's like that
for a lot of us. Well, let me ask you this.
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So if I'm if I'm addicted to something and I'm
gonna is the Kick Kit for someone who's addicted to
just heroin or meth? Absolutely? Absolutely, absolutely anything it's an alcohol, ye,
any alcohol. I think anything that's that's that's hurting you, man,
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anything that's gonna you know what I'm saying, affecting you
in a negative way. You know, let me ask him
if I'm addicted to that, I'm addicted to meth, and
I said, I want to Kick Kit. I wanna. I
want to use cannabis to get off this ship. I
want to do what sober Junkie did. When if somebody
were to get the kick Kid walk through it, what
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would they do? Okay, So I don't want to give
away too much because we haven't gone all the way. Hey, hey,
giveaway as much as your attorney would allow you to.
It's just like zero. So what it is, I'll tell
you this is what it is. It's gonna walk you
through it is what it is. It's it's everything that
you need. You know. When we kick we go through
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a lot of things like the NASA, right, and it's uncontrollable.
You feel so sick. The whole time you're shaking your
your heart's racing a hundred miles an hour. You've been
beating yourself up. Usually when it's hearin or methods something,
your serotonin levels are down everything. So it's not just
cannabis products. There's other holistic things in their envitaments to
get the serotonin level back up. Just a lot of
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really good stuff man that you know, my attorney would say,
st f you, but um, it's everything you need, you know,
it's every it's everything you need, and it's everything I
wish I could have had. I had just this small part.
You know, our beautiful medicine are in and and what
I've been able to do is with having doctors involved
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now and other people that are in recovery, because we've
got some heavy hitters in recovery that are in twelve
step program helping us and working with us bro And
that's unheard of because everybody's like, oh, cannabis not not
no more, dude, not when you've got guys like me
going on nine years clean April twenty baby. So so
(47:26):
so something like the universally known a a alcoholics anonymous, right,
I mean, that's that's that's probably where the twelve Step
pro program became very famous from and and very hardcore
believers in that. I think that you know that, and
(47:46):
you shouldn't do Canada, you shouldn't do anything, you know,
like complete abstinence. But I think as you've said, more
and more people are realizing that you know, this is
this is a medicine that can happen now. So so
to help bring a dream of yours to fruition, Who
have you hooked up with? What entity? How are you
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getting this kick kit done? Yes? So I'm working with
Joe Reid and UM that's California Care Group. Um, they
also are Nevata Care Group and they're connected with World
Dignity CBD and UM, Joe and I got together and
I told him when I needed to make this happen,
and very this is the thing I've noticed, man, And
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you said it to me. You said, when it's right,
it's gonna be boom boom, boom boom, it's not gonna be.
And that's what it's been. And even things that you know, uh,
and I didn't think of, he thought of and brought
it to my attention, and you know it was, Hey,
we got the website already. You know. It wasn't Hey,
I was thinking we should get the website. It was Hey,
(48:50):
just so you know, we got the website. It's in
your name, it's mine done. Um, It's it's you find
the people that that believe in what you're doing. And
here's another thing, like he's got a connection to recovery
as well, and that's a big part of it because
then you you understand me differently. And I'm just excited, man.
The people that are involved right now are gonna make
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this seeing go next level and we're gonna be serving
a lot of life. Mark. I'm excited for you, my friend,
and I know you did you and I, as you know,
I've been right there with it as uh with a
brother as your legal counsel, as you've had many many
companies and people approach you for this with this idea
(49:34):
that you had and uh, you know, as you said,
you know, you you know, you know, as they told you.
When it's ried it right, you know happen not a
lot of talk and a lot of cross talks. So
I'm glad that we could be involved and help you
you reach to reach your goals. And I'm glad to
see it happening. And when we come back, we are
going to close out with the Cannabis Talk one on
(49:54):
one High five with the Sober junk Yeah will be
and we'll be right back after this break. What time
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(50:18):
Diame industry dot com or on i G Dime dot Industries.
Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one, Mark and
Craig the popular is that love Blue and Joe Grande
and we want to thank Pit Peanut, Jen Elvis for
really really putting this show together and making it all
happy for if you guys are the best. We wish
(50:40):
you the best and love you now. It's what do
you say as you interrupted? Love you? And Sober Junkie
loves you to love Elvis broken and you can interrupt
me anytime, baby, And you know Elvis is in He's
in Vegas right now. Elvis lives in Vegas. Scott, damn
we to go. Elvis. He moved. He's got a new
(51:02):
job into help. So all right, you gotta cook up
with Elvius in Vegas. That'll be I gotta come to
Vegas as soon as things open up Vegas, Vegas. I mean,
I haven't been back to Vegas. My brothers uh well
he was there. He was there just before they closed
and so but and I know people are going back
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and gambling is open, but I just have no interest
in going to Vegas just to gamble. I never did, right,
I want to. I like to go to the events
and the parties, hang out and do all that stuff.
But anyways, let's to get to the favorite part of
my of the show that I like, The Hannibus Talk
one on one High five with the sober Junkie. Alright,
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sober junkie. Question number one of the Cannabis Talk one
on one High five. How old were you the first
time you smoked? And where did you get it from?
I was we just talked about at twelve Andy Garcia's
sister Santy twelve and you got it from Andy Garcia's
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sisters son. Is that what you said? Her name is Santy?
Santy was her name? And where were you? On a
canal bank in Los Banos, California? There you go, all right,
that's a that's a good one. Man. What is your
favorite way hold on how old were you? Remember? Twelve? Twelve?
So that's right, so so, but you were actually what
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is a ten or eleven when you tasted the coke? Yeah,
I was like tam dude tasted coke first, So alright.
Question number two was the first man, Yes, I thank you,
I remember that. Question number two? What is your favorite
way to use cannabis? Smoking and joint? Man? Love it? Alright?
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Question number three of the Cannabis Talk one on one
High five with the sober junkie singer songwriter after artists,
just a great guy overall. What's the craziest place you
ever used cannabis or smoked it? Oh? My goodness, and
you must have. I can only imagine. I don't I
don't even know what you're It might be an unfair question,
(53:14):
but you gotta pick one. You gotta pick one. Actually,
on the me walk on the Mewalk res I was
with chicken and say that again, you skip beat for me?
Say that again? Okay? So I was on the Mewalk
Reservation in Northern California with my cousin chickens, smoking on
the top of a hillside next to a giant sasquatch
(53:37):
looking over all the hills of northern California. Wow, sounds
trying to go up there like we four wheel up there. Sick. Alright, bro,
that's a good one. Question number four of the Cannabis
Talk one on one high five, what is your go
to munchies after you get high? It's not really a
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munch key thing, man. I'm not a really a munchy
guy man. So um, but I'll tell you what my
favorite munchy is. Well, if that's what we get. Who laughed?
Who's sitting over there? He's laughing over there? Who Mallory?
My daughter, Mallory? What are you laughing about? Mallory? Get
(54:23):
in here, get over here. If you can't if you
can't be if you can't be, if you can't be
quiet during a production where I want to see you.
I want to see your face. You gotta want We
want to we want to meet you. We want to
see you. She camera shot. You said you didn't say hi. Yeah,
you didn't say hi, Uncle Mark. She can't hear you.
It's okay, all right, we'll get it next time you
(54:48):
said hi. Okay. I know she's a beautiful girl. You
got lovely, lovely kids. This man is a father, a
wonderful father. Now tell us what that munch he is.
I'm I'm really feeling banana chips, dude, Okay, and toffee peanuts.
Banana chips have a lot of cars. Banana chips have
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a lot of carbs. Careful, yeah, careful with the carbs, alright.
Question number five of the cannabis, talking one on one
high five with the sober junkie. If you could smoke
cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?
Bob Marley? Bob Marley? Why is that my friend? Why?
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Because he visits me in my dreams and I feel
he he was a prophet, you know, to the people.
I feel he was like a gift and his music
resonates in my soul. And to be able to smoke
with him with just I don't know, man, it would be, uh,
(55:54):
it would be. It's not just getting stoned, you know.
I think magic would happen. We didn't write any song together,
thank you know? All right? I love that. I love
that answer. I love I love that answer. All right.
Before we get out of here, you know, we we
we spent so much time talking about you, more or less,
(56:14):
we didn't get into your actual music. And songs and
sounds and means. We we need, we need a couple
of days with you. But just tell everybody in terms
of music, what are like the three songs? If they're
gonna go google for people who hadn't heard of you before,
who's the sober junkie? What's this stuff all about? Three
of your songs? Give us your your top three songs
(56:36):
for you that you'd want people to google and go
listen to or watch the videos? People remix, take Me
Away and um the latest song which is important and
it's and it's me and di Look, actually it's our
song for St Dog Rescued Peace do look from the
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Common mount Kings. Yes, this my bros. That's great. No, yes,
I know, that's that's all. Legend never Die, Legends Never
dies the song, so we got Legends Never Die? What
were the other two? Take Me Away? And people remix
and people remix and geez, I know something, I know
(57:19):
a little something about those first two songs? You know
about them all? I think you might. I think you might.
You have a remix, don't you. Well, if if you
listen close enough, you might hear my voice in the
background somewhere. I don't know, Yes you will, Yes you do.
I love your brother. Tell everybody where they can tell
(57:40):
everybody where they can find you. Sober Junkie Official dot
com and uh just Sober Junkie Official on Instagram at
the Sober Junkie Official. My I G is to everything
and my I G s got my website on it.
Everything I'm doing. I stay on Instagram every day, so
it's best space to tapping in me. I'm saying good
(58:01):
morning to see I'm saying good I do you. I
really tapped him with the people because I can. You know,
yes you do, and I know he does. It's been
a pleasure having you on the show right now, and
we're gonna get you on again to wrap up well,
I don't know, we're gonna have to have you a
couple of times. Joe is gonna need to get your
get you for the prison stuff. I know he's gonna
(58:22):
have it all. Uh And I mean that in all
sorts of ways. But hey, it's Cannabis Talk one on one,
and remember this, if no one else loves you, we do.
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fifty two. Now today we have a very very special guest.
Not only is he a recovering drug addict. When I
say drugs, I'm talking about the hard ship, the dope,
the ship that the ships so hard you call it ship,
Give me that ship. I gotta stick that ship in
my arm, in my toes, Heroin, meth, you name it.
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He did it. He went to prison because not thirty
days in some county jail. Is I'm talking hard time,
seven years state prison in the shoe in the whole
hard time, real hard time because of drugs. Because drugs
can make you break the law, they can take control
of your life. Joe Grande knows a little something about that.
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We can ask him someday. Today we are going to
learn firsthand what we WHOA sorry, I just gotta fly
flew right in my eye and I knocked over the
mic as I was getting ready to tell you what
we believe here at Cannabis Talk one oh one, That
cannabis is an exit medicine. Yes, let that sink in
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exit medicine to get you off the real drugs, the
prescription drugs, yes, legal drugs, opiates. They're killing people every day.
And today we have my good friend, I call him
my little brother, who's actually a giant when you meet him,
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a giant amongst men. Extremely talented singer, songwriter, actor, artist,
the creator of the kick Kit ladies and gentlemen, the
sober junkie. Hey, how are you? Blessings, love, light and
smoke man. Uh, so excited to hear your voice man,
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and and and you know now I can see it
here and uh, the vibes are good man, and energy
is right. Um. I know COVID's crazy and got people
all worried and this and that, but you know, I'm happy.
I took this as a time to just keep going
instead of slowing down and getting scared. You know, I
turned it up a notch, Mark, I turned it up.
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That's right. These these times right now, there's a lot
of it's scary. It's scary, and you can sit back
and let the fear consume you and worry you to death,
or you can take that fear and worry and do
something with that energy, which is something that I know
know that you're you're always doing new and different things.
So before I really get into everything with you that
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I want to get into, because you've got to You've
got a long, complex life, and I've got a relatively
short time. I wish I had two, three or four
hours to spend with you, let alone, let alone two
or three days to really dig into everything that the
sober Junkie is, who he is, how he's become, what
he's become, everything you believe in. And so I want
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to take the people chronologically fairly quickly through your life
and we're gonna hit the We're gonna hit the points
that we gotta hit. But first, I just wanted to
give you the floor to make a little opening statement
about what you're doing, where you're headed, and especially as
you started to allude to what you're doing to help
people during these hard times, absolutely so um so for you.
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For those of you who don't know who I am,
I'm the Sober Junkie and um, like Mark said, I'm
a guy that's had had a pretty crazy journey, just
like a bunch of y'all, and if not y'all, somebody
you know. Um, And I made a decision to get
and when I did so, cannabis was my egit drunk
and I actually also used twelve Step program and I
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hit the cannabis thing, but it was what got me clean.
It's what did it for me. And and the twelve
Step program, which I loved. I loved the fellowship and
people staying clean, you know, the people, places and things.
I had to change all of that. Um, but that's
who I am. I'm the sober junkie. I'm that heroin addict,
that junkie. They got clean using cannabis, right and change
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in my life. And so right now you're right now,
you know, with the COVID and everything, the performances and
the live performance and stuff have been kind of you know,
it is what it's been. But just briefly, what where
can people catch you if they want to see you
perform right now? Online somewhere or where would you steer them? Um?
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Right now, we're actually got I actually have some stuff
in the works for one, but right now is catch
me on my Instagram. I'm going live, I'm connecting with people.
Were singing all the time. Um we actually uh hey,
I also see I also see you working out a
lot too on your I G live, bro, you got
that started? Hey, hey, go ahead, get what what? What? What?
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You got inspired by? I was telling you that, you man,
And I told you. I remember I was. I had
I had lost some weight, but I wasn't all the
way in shape, right. I had a belly, I wasn't happy,
I was sluggish, and I was like, man, I don't
want to be like this no more. And when I
said that to you, you went, what, yeah, you do?
Look at that doughnut. Did I have a donut in
my hand or something crazy? You did? You had a
donut that same moment you said, I don't want that.
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That's right. I remember that. I can't say that ship
around me. You know, say what you do, do what
you say right that part right there? Baby? So um,
that started it, man. And And to be honest, man,
especially getting through COVID, I really buckled down, Mark, I
really buckled down, and I changed my diet and I
started working out and are working on loving myself man
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during this whole time. And that's what I've been doing,
is sharing it on my Instagram, sharing it on the life,
being sharing it in the stories. You know. Um, I've
stayed in the studio, working really hard, and I gotta
go by the guidelines. You know, I got the mask
on until I'm in the booth and everything else. But
I'm doing what I gotta do to protect myself and
my family at home. But I'm still living. Don't stop
living because it is. But be smart, you know what
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I mean, Be smart? You know, And like people said,
if it isn't real, right, I don't care. I'm still
gonna be protected because if it is, I'm good. Just
in case, yeah, nornin foul, just in case. Now. Now,
one thing about Sober Junkie is that he is He's
such a genius and he's very It's very hard to
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keep up with him because his fluid thoughts, which transcend consciousness,
can leave you feeling like you might have missed something important.
He says, So for the sake of my sanity, and
are listeners benefit my brother, I'm gonna take you. You're
gonna take us, with my help here through your life chronologically.
And I mean it. I mean, when were you born?
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Give us your birthday? March tenth, March tenth, nineteen seventy nine. Okay,
and where merce said, California, what's your mother's name Dolores
Yvonne Hill. What's your father's name, Michael Everett Buckner from
age zero born to ten. Whom did you live with? Um?
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That was my mama, my mom, and it it's seven
years old. It was about seven is when I left. Yes,
well but so so so where was your father? So
dad was kind of doing his own thing. My mom
and dad split up when I was very young. My
dad came out to my mom and let her know that, Um,
he tried to love her and he wanted to have
a child. He wanted to be straight, but it's not
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who he was. And he told her, although I love
you and you're amazing and I I just it's not
who I am. So they split up. They remained friends.
Dad stayed kind of hear for a while. Then Dad
went to San Francisco and I stayed with Mom up
until the age of about seven or eight, when my
dad showed up to Los Banos, California, and I moved
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with him two uh West Hollywood and so lived in
So you moved with your uh day, your gay father
to West Hollywood when you were seven or eight, about
seven or eight? Yeah, alright, and how many years? How
many years did you live with him. I was there
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with him from second to fifth grade. When I turned twelve,
I got, I got it was I guess that's something
that you can do. I guess when people in the
child swelve years old, I can decide which parents they
want to be with. Yeah. Yes, I used to get
absolutely that there's really no hard and fast age. But
because it depends on maturity and and different you know,
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levels of of maturity. Um, but at some point they're
gonna let the kid make it. So make the kid's
own decisions. So and that's unfortunate, that's it's fucked up.
I did family law for fifteen years and to make
a kid have to say mom or dad because of
legal reasons, which you know, that's that's what you had
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to do. So so when you did that, so you
how you were how old? Yeah? Grade? So you were twelve?
Now now, from from seven to twelve living with your father,
were you introduced to any types of drugs or alcohol?
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My dad was a party animal. My dad was a
party animal. Um, and I saw it all, you know
what I mean? Um, did you taste it with a
friend of mine? Actually? Was it offered? Was it offered
to you by your father or anybody that was with him. No,
they left it out and me and my friend got
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into it. Yep. Now, let me ask you this because
now we fast forward to today and you're a parent, right,
would you just leave anything out like that? Just leave
it out so maybe your kids could get it, you know,
and neither would I? You know, right, so so, but
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things are definitely different now. We're talking so many, so
many years ago in the past. So when you're talking
about when you're talking about it's left out and you
tried it, what are we talking about? Just alcohol? Are
we talking about? What are we talking about? Hold? Hold?
I have a freaking uh ambulance siren going by my house.
You know, the lovely pleasures of COVID and having to
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do things remote instead of our lovely studios. You know,
we have a great studio, your studio, and we haven't
even got to get you over at the I Heart studio.
You know. Once that's all done, then okay, we're good,
let's get back at it. Go ahead. So it was
cocaine and they left it out and me and my
friend Kirk, I'll never forget it. We had the straws
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and we didn't snort it, but we tasted it on
the straw and my tongue went numb. And even as
a child, that little bit of taste and it had
both of our hearts racing. We got scared, you know
what I mean. Um, And I didn't try it again
after that, you know, but still I had that There
was a lot even though I don't feel he was
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a bad dad and and all that, you know, there's
a lot of choices he made I feel that we're bad.
But for the most part, it was when those parties happened,
you know. And and that was the thing is because
he was an addict man, he was he was doing addic.
Mine was gosh, no, your dad's your dad's my dad's
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speed for sure, cocaine math, yeah, for sure for sure.
And alcohol now now, so so you're around you're about
ten when you first did the coke on your tasting
it and stuff, and this is going on, i'd say
about that because we lived on sweet sirs so um
so so yeah. So let me just trying to remember
where with the house in the age and you know, so,
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so I'm imagining this that these parties happen every so often.
Your mom hears about it, and at some point mom
makes the decision I need to go to court to
get my kid because he's doing coke. Well, no, it
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was more like she just knew that she wanted me,
and she knew that it wasn't a good situation for me,
and she knew that he partied all the time, and
she didn't even go to court. She just said when
I was twelve, he allowed me to. He's like, you're twelve,
you make up your mind now and I want to
go with my mom. That then though, So then you
were spared having to go through the court process, at
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least any of the court process. Your father was a
smart man to do that. I'll be you know, I mean, wow,
that's that that cuts out? You know, five minutes of
my interview. I was going to go through the whole
court divorce process. I thought that, uh, you had to
go through that. But no, So so when you're twelve,
you know, was there a part of what about when
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you're eleven? Like that year from eleven to twelve was there?
Did you want to go back to your mom? And
he's like no, So that's what happened. So I never
really it didn't dawn on me like it was an
issue that my dad was gay. Like I knew that
him and COLEI were together, and I knew they loved
each other. But it wasn't weird. There was no like.
It was just I knew that it wasn't bad to me,
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but it didn't seem awkward to me. Why wait, I
gotta interrupt you, Yes, I got I gotta ask a question,
as if Joe were here. I gotta ask a question
because Joe would start asking a lot of questions, I think,
and I'm getting inspired by Joe. Um. But these parties
that went on with your dad, I mean, well you
did you actually see the the sex happening? Were they orgy?
What kind of parties were these? It was? It was
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crazy parties. But I would go in my room and
shut my door. You know, I had everything to do
in there. I had Hello, g I, Joe's, I had
a TV bunk bed. I was by myself, but I'd
shut my door. Did you we didn't see anything? Nope?
What did you hear about that? Oh? It was wild
ship going on. But I'd be playing my games not
wanting to hear it. You know what I mean, being
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a kid, Turn it up, play video games. You know
because Nintendo. He came out. You know, my daughter yells
at me and my wife and said, see you not
shake the beds so loud at night. So I get it.
I get it. So all right. So so you at twelve,
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now you you are you are allowed. You are allowed
between your parents basically civilly. It is no less because
again I did family law for fifteen years, and that's
highly unusual. Two people with custody over kids agreeing on
not even using the court system, which is the best.
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I used to try to talk people out of coming
to me all the time. It's like, it's just all
you're gonna do is spend money and argue. Just can't
you agree? So I think that's great, and you uh
chose your to go with your mom, and so then
you moved back to where Mer said, Los Bonios, California,
which from her said, so so you you leave your
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mom at seven or eight, you come back at twelve.
You're you're you're a hardcore drug user. You've done coke,
You've done no Okay, so it's not that bad. You've
just taste. I'm a very I'm very different though, because
my dad. The one thing I loved about My dad
was fashion style music. He let me listen to whatever
I wanted. I could dress however I wanted. I had
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a huge long ducktail, crazy haircut along ducktail. My ears
were peers. I wore jammers, like cut off shorts and like.
I was very alien. When I showed up to Los
Bonrios in fifth grade, I was very alien, and nobody
really liked me because I was so different. And I immediately,
as a child, kind of got depressed and and started
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eating like crazy, and then I got choky. Right, hold
on now, hold on, So so you're twelve. Now, it's
at some point here you're starting high school. You're getting
into high school now. In junior high, junior high was
it was important, Okay, glad, you said, well, tell me
about junior high. So as as we went in from
from I was cool at first. In fifth grade, when
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I first showed up, I was cool. I had friends.
Sixth grade got kind of difficult for me. I started
to get heavy, I started gaining weight because I didn't
have friends. I didn't I was going through stuff as
a child. Right, my grandfather dies, right and before I
turned third team Grandpa dies and that was my world.
My granddaddy was my world. That was like, that was
my my dad, you know, that's that was, and and
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he passes and I just I got depressed and I
committed I tried to commit suicide. Mark, I drank a
bottle of tian all with coding. And wait, how old
are you? Twelve years old almost thirteen, so now hold on,
so hold on. So so this is going into seventh grade,
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like going into seventh grade right right, and you're you're
just you had just moved back to your mom's fifth
grade twelve years old. Fifth grade. I moved back in
fifth grade to sixth grade. And then seventh grade is
when off sixth grades, when my grandfather died. Seventh grade
is when I started getting bullied and everything else. So
fifth grade I got back. I might be wrong on
my age, but but during the okay, I understand, Yeah,
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that's good, we can. Fifth grade. Now during this span,
were you turning to any kind of drugs or alcohol? Nope? Okay,
So then then you hit seventh grade, junior high right,
and now our grandfather had passed away. You're eating more,
you're depressed. Your grandfather's passing affected you obviously majorly majorly.
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That's when I so, I attempted literally suicide my Then
I went into the room with my mom and I
told her I just drank a bottle of this and
I don't want to die. And I was scared, So
they rushed me the hospital where they had to pump
my stomach. Um. I ended up going to Medesto Psychiatric Center,
which is about forty five minutes north of Los Banos,
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and I stayed there for thirty days. They had to
do an evail because I was considered fifty one fifty
because I tried to commit suicide. Um, but I was.
I was depressed, man, I was. I was getting bullied,
I was getting picked on in school. I missed my granddaddy.
I didn't have anybody. I was overweight. Life was just
you know what I mean. I wanted my dad, even
though you know we may not have had the best
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relationship or whatever. He's more like a friend. I missed him.
That was my dad. Did you talk to him at all?
Or was it? It was? But he was more about himself. Man,
he was just too wrapped up in his own stuff.
And I don't hate him for that. Man, just the
type of guy he was. You know, I don't think
he really intended to even have children. To hear my
mom talked about it, you know what I'm saying. So
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it's kind of it's kind of right exactly. So the
kind of the kid thing was kind of a was
kind of you know, they just I would imagine and
I guess this would be a whole other show. Maybe
is your dad around these days? I haven't spoke to
him because because what I'm imagining is like a lot
of a lot of men in his age back then,
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I mean, to be gay was was you would you?
You know, you're unimaginable, right for some people in some places,
many many men hid hit it and lived alternate lives
to show that they, in fact, we're straight. So you know,
maybe he went through something like that, but but nonetheless
went through a lot. He went through a lot, and
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and and I he's talked to me about it. And
that's what I understand now that you know, I believe
my higher power, the Creator, you know, gave me that
life so that I would be able to understand people
and love people in a different way. Because my dad
sat and had a heart to heart. I'll never forget it.
When I was a kid, and he explained it. Daddy
didn't choose to be like this. I didn't. It's not
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something that he wanted. It was the most difficult thing
ever ever, that I've ever had to deal with they
go through. If I could have just been straight and
been with your mom, I promise you I would have. Baby.
I tried, because I know my dad loved me, you know,
but he was fighting a battle within himself, man, his
whole existence. And I know he's still out there and
I've forgiven him, but it's it's just he's kind of
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he doesn't want anything to do with me, you know,
well his loss, his absolute lost because and these grand
babies too. Fine, person's absolutely absolutely he you know that's
I know a little something about that. But but you
come back from trying to commit suicide in seventh grade,
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that he must have been a fourteen fifteen whatever it is,
and uh, how do you recover or what happens next?
Going into eighth grade? I ended up so out of
seventh In the eighth I ended up getting in with
the group of cats, you know, trouble, the kids, the
kids that were picking on me. I ended is I
started kicking it with them. So you wouldn't get picked on.
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I kind of feel that's probably what I was doing
it for. And I just wanted to fit in so
bad man, And um, let me ask you this. Hold on,
let me ask you. Let me ask you this. So
were you starting to do um, you know, bad, disruptive, illegal,
mischievous things to fit in? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean you
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say that like you say that, like like, yeah, that's what. Well,
that's just what That's what I did. That's what we
had to do around there wherever it was, you know,
because for me, I never my friends, I hung I, well,
I'm not without doing ship in my life. That's mischievous.
But but there are things that I was presented with
and I am doing that man, like the fun and
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I was like fifteen and sixteen, you know, so you know,
it's it's the you know, the cultural difference and where
people you know, grow up in, in the environment that
they're in and what they're exposed to, you know, leads
to whatever it is you're going to be getting into.
And so you're you're fitting in now. Now Now are
the drugs and alcohol start starting to be a yeah? Yeah,
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we we would drinking you know, vodka and orange juice,
kicking it with the homies in the park on Friday nights.
And you know, the first time I smoked pot was well,
my boy Andy and we got her from his sister sawting.
We stole her weed from her and we went to
the canal bank. And but the weed wasn't really like
it wasn't. It was just to do it. The stuff
that we was do was more alcohol, uh, smoking wet
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PCP you know what I mean, like you know, street
drugs like you know, And it was just to be cool.
So it wasn't like an everyday thing. It was just
when we would kick it, we would do drugs and
go steal ships, steal cars, fights with other kids. You
know that now now crazy? Yeah, now hold on now
we're now we're getting into some good criminal activity that
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you're you're engaging in. And and what period of time,
what time frame? When? No, let's do this. When was
the first time you got arrested for doing this stuff? Oh? Dude,
I was strick man. I mean, well, actually no, it wasn't.
That's like hold on, wait wait a minute, wait, hold on,
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that's a simple question. When was the first time you
got arrested? Um? Think you think because I want to
put it. I want to, I want to, I want
to get a time. I'm gonna reference point here because
you get into junior high school. Were you in high school? Yeah?
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It was during high school. So you got arrested the
first time in high school. Do you remember what you
were arrested for the very first time? Yeah? Man, we
uh we stole a bunch of wood to build a
half pipe. But you stole I know that's crazy. No,
no, no no, no no, wait, we told a bunch of wood
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to build a half pipe. That's something that skateboarders use, right,
is that what you're talking about? We're actually yeah, we
were my bikesicles, rollerblades, skateboard scooters, being all that. Hold on,
hold on, now, what this is? Your first crime is
stealing wood to build a fucking so so so so
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and you're trying to stay out of trouble. Well yeah, okay,
Now let me ask you this. Was there smoking and
drinking going on before the thievery of the wood. No,
it wasn't nothing like that. All the stuff that we
did when we drank and got in trouble, we got
away with. Man, I'm not gonna lie to you, bro.
We got away with so much. I got in trouble,
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trouble when I got older. We're going so so six
years old, so way out of high school. So but
the first time you're arrested in high school is for
stealing stealing wood? How did you get how did where
was the wood? These older skateboarder kids snitched on us, bro.
So they were building these houses and we're a bunch
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of poor kids and we were trying to stay out
of trouble, and we didn't have no, you know, way
to buy the wood. And we're like, well, they got
all kinds of wood, and we knew this skateboarder, this
older cat, was like, will steal us wood, and we'll
take all the wood for you guys. You guys, go
steal it. We'll give you yours, but we want some.
And then they got in trouble, told the cops on us,
snitched on us, and they came and we got arrested,
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don't know how for everything? Yeah, bro stf you, bro.
So that's where they were. Big kids were like younger
and there were these older kids like, oh man, yeah,
they have no honor, they have no honor, they have
no soul. And I'm sure they got what they deserved.
But we don't have to talk about so. So so
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you just said it. So twenty six years old is
the first time you get arrest still, so so let's
talk about it. So from from from high school, let's say,
so from eighteen years of eight to you are when
we can really start using drugs to the point I
need to steal a car so I can get money
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so I can get my drugs. When that start? So,
oh man, dude, I'm in Orange County. I started, and
this is when the price started. Actually saw we's done
a good twenty six. Don't like the pregan at six?
You know what? You know what that's that's just perfect
because my stopwatch stopped and we I could, I could
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talk to you, but we got to do seconds here.
It is a show. And when we come we are
gonna talk about sober junkie and go into prison right
here on cant this talk one on one. Let back
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Mark and Craig and Pop Brothers at Law, Blue and
Joe Grande, mark little brother the loss here holding it
down once again as blue Joe Grande and my big
brother out social distancing somewhere, and I'm here, of course
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with the sober junkie singer artists, activists. I mean, the
list goes on and on with the things this guy
is doing. But before he got there, he went to prison,
state prison, the whole the shoe saw at all thanks
to things like meth and harrowing the frangle and take
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control of somebody's life. And and thank you so much
for being so open and honest with every buddy. And
it's it's helps me bigger than me, more bigger than me, man,
it helps people. Okay, so we left off you had
you had, you had been running around after high school
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doing doing drugs, doing party and stealing things. But at
some point there it turned into the real hard stuff,
the meth, the heroine and you were you were robbed,
you were you were robbing and stealing to get your
hands on on the drugs. Right, And so what was
(29:36):
the crime that landed you in prison? So that was
g t A Now evasion grand theft auto right in
the evasion and you were evading, oh so this car chase. Yeah,
does the car chase? I'm sorry, I don't mean to
(29:56):
get so excited, but that's exciting. You watch it on TV,
It's like, well, let's carcase. So you you're one of
these guys who has maybe filmed being how many I
was on the front I was on the front page
of the Medeskto paper. I took him on an l
of a shapes man. Alright, so hold on. I took
him from Turlock, California to Dinare, California, and I hit
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back road country roads. I was, you know, going over
a hundred and thirty five eighty four El Camino with
a four fifty four supersport. Yeah, eighty four El Camino.
And so wait a minute, by one one day baby?
All right? You know I'm an attorney, So let's go back.
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I gotta, I gotta, so do do you do you
at all remember the year or the date at all?
Two thousand six? Uh? Two thousand and six? November? Oh wow? Okay, alright,
so November fourteen, two thousand six, you wake up that morning?
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What did you do? Huh? Yeah? Where is Joe Grande
when I need him? Right now? So wait a minute,
you get you get arrested November. Let me let me
make Joe Grande happy. It was a long night builded
crazy drug and and and influenced sex with my now
(31:27):
wife of fifteen years. Well, now that's an awesome that's
an awesome ending that we get to look forward to.
And so we're talking, uh, November two thousand, two thousand six,
two thousand six, Yeah, that's when you get arrested. Right,
When was before November fourteen, two thousand and six when
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you got arrested? When was the last time you had slept? Oh?
My gosh, bro, I mean, dude, I would be up
for four or five days? No, good enough, good enough?
Let me let me let me walk us through as
best we can with your memory. That's amazingly pretty keen,
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considering all the damage you've done to it with all
the bro's. But cannabis is but probably as saving you.
So they tell you it's against you, but in all
actuality to cannabis is medicine, man, and it's done a
lot more for me. Good, I'll tell you right now.
All right, So it's four or five days before this,
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and so as it's like November nine or ten, and
what are you doing. Give us a typical before your
before you go on some kind of freaking bender where
you're up for four or five days. What are you
just waking up from having done that already? Yeah, yeah,
(32:56):
probably twenty four hours, because I would go hard. I'd
wake up. I woke up that morning and I had dope.
I remember, I had a lot of dope, probably by
an ounce and a half of meth on me and
um and I had a bunch of uh norcos you know,
the payment medication and opiates, you know. And I was like,
(33:19):
we gotta go. We went. We went to at Water.
I told her, we gotta go to at Water. I
need to get some tires because we had a tahoe
which was also stolen, but I bought it from someone
who hadn't paid their payments, right, so we're just on
the run from the from the toe man, not from
like you know what I mean. They just weren't gonna
pay the payments. And it's not illegal to drive around
the car. But once they find it, they take it.
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So I gave a guy money. I just told but
the tires were bad, and I told Ray, I was like, yo,
let's go to Atwater. Go see what's going on? So
we went to a dope house and at water go
sell some math and top it up and hang out
with some people. And I see the El Camino out front.
I'm like, damn, that's just clean as funck and uh,
to be honest, I was looking at the tires. I
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was like, well those work on here because they're both like,
you know, that's like Chevy el Camino. I was like
trying to figure out at the tide because I'm not
a car guy, you know what I mean. I don't
really know ship like that. So I'm like, I want
I think I could put those tires on this tahoe.
And I went inside start talking. I think it's the
dude's car. It's inside, and I'm like, well, bro, i'll
give you an eight ball. Let me ride that motherfucker.
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Let me drive it for a little bit. Homegirl here
knows me. You know the house where at the dope house,
I said, homegirl knows me. Man, I'm solid, bro, I'll
give you my word. Man, I'll be back. And I
would have been back. I was just gonna take his
ship and I just give him a reason to something
to happen back. But so we take off, I still
ready to follow. We go to Turlock from mat Water,
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get to Turlock. I went to some people we knew
to live right off the freeway, guy and a girl,
and we're gonna talk to them. They didn't answer. We
sat outside in front of their place for a while.
I was getting sketchy. I was like, let's go just
follow me. Follow me in the uh, in the taw
I'm gonna take the El Camino. We're gonna go to
the Nair. I know some dope fings out there, some
junkies and dude a mechanic. He'll do the swap for me.
(35:12):
So we start driving out at Turlock right and we're
in front of Turlock High School and to the right
to the left of me, it's good old Johnny law Well,
my boy, one of my brothers from Dead End Locals.
My brother Chip at Rest in Peace had given me
an all red Indians hat that night because I'm Native,
and he was always like, yo, this this Indians have, bro.
(35:33):
You know I want you to have it. It's all
red and you know that's your people. And I was like, oh, thanks, Bro.
So I wore that hat that night. That's what the
cops seened so because they said and later on in
the report. Right. So I look at him, he looks
at me, and I'm like, ah, fuck, Desire is right
behind me. Rage driving behind me. So I start to drive. Well,
(35:54):
anyone knows turlock. I'm getting close to the cuts and
the out the out outcuts right, so I'm oh and it.
All of a sudden, he gets by, he flips a bit,
gets behind. At this point, I got a forty five
on me loaded. I got a suck full of syringes
loaded with meth. I got a pocket full of orcos,
(36:15):
like a hundred and forty of them. I'm on the
road already from parole. I was already on the run,
not from parole. I believe I was on the run
from I was on the run from probation in Orange County,
not parole prison ship, because I got in trouble in
Orange County earlier on before prison. Remember I told you
this is prison, right, wait wait, wait right, all right,
let me and let me let me clarifying case your
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people are confused because we talked. We were not talking
about the first time you got arrested. We're talking about
to jail or the first time you went to jail,
jail or the first time you went to jail. We're
talking the first time you went to prison. So we
kind of jumped ahead. You already you've already been to
county jail and you've been on probable that actually I
purposefully did that. I'm glad you brought it up so
(36:58):
we could explain it, make sure every he understands, because
that's boring. Ship. I don't I don't ideal, I don't
want to talk about your county jail whatever. And this
is the ship that got you into state prison, So
go ahead. So I'm like, I I reached down a
N seven point five. Is is the radio station my
(37:20):
uncle always listens to, and it's oldies. And I was like,
he turned his lights on, no sirens, just the lights
are on, And I said, well, here we go, loaded
hold on, hold on, because you have a you have
a split. You know, you have a decision to make.
Right when those lights right now? Did the thought I'm fucked,
(37:43):
I'm caught, I'm pulling myself over And did that ever
enter your mind or was it straight to the flight
like I got all where in that moment? Is there
even a thought where you're going? Where? Where? Are you
gonna go? You're just so I did. I did think
(38:05):
of a couple of things. I knew somebody a couple
of towns over. I figured if I could get to
their place, I could jump the fence and deal with
their pitbull. Um. And while I was driving, because of
this high speed, I'll get to that. I did a
lot of thinking. Man, this was a crazy I was.
I was on the run for a good you know
miles and it's like through, you know, nine miles straight away,
(38:27):
turned your way out in the middle of nowhere. It
was raining, I had the lights off, they had the
ghetto birds on me, they had uh regular police sheriff's
highway patrol. But I did. I thought for a second,
and I thought, honestly, Mark, I said, I'm done. It's over,
and I'll be real, and I'm not saying this in
a glorified way or nothing. I was so lost. I
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was so lost, man, that I was ready to just
this way. Sorry, I got another freaking ambulance going by. Problem,
all right, all right, so go ahead. I was. I
was at that point, bro where I was like, fuck it,
whatever happens happens, and I gunned it and he his
(39:11):
siren went off group and it was on. And let
me tell you, man, I had the radio pull blast,
I had begun on my waist. It was such a
long fucking run that I had got on this straight
away for a minute and it was dark out and
it's raining and my lights are off, and I said
(39:31):
bucket and I chucked the gun. Then I chucked syringes
because I'm thinking, funk, I can get out and I
could run. At least this ship ain't near me any
on me. I won't get extra charges that they catch me.
I could dump this ship and I did, but I
forgot I had Norcos who was still in my pocket.
And so I'm gone, dude, and I'm literally blowing through
There's a coming into dinair. There's a four way intersection,
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and there's diesels coming both ways. It's fucking raining and
I'm blowing through fucking four way intersections, bro at a
hundred and twenty miles an hour plus in the rain,
and I didn't give a fuck. I was lost. Bro. Oh,
So so you did they did they recover any of
(40:14):
that ship you tossed over? No? Okay, So that that
was like, yeah, that's that. That's say you already know
what what that saved you? Um? So, so how did
it end? How did it with me crashing into a tree?
It wasn't your decision? No, No, you crashed locked it up,
(40:35):
and I crashed and and knocked me out. I woke
up to the dog's barking and then screaming at me
with the guns and then they dragged me out of
the car and beat the ship out of me, dude.
And I was seizing and seizing, dude. I was convulsive, bro,
like seasing from the amounts of drugs that were in
(40:56):
my system. Bro. So so okay, you know what I
want to talk about that now for a second. What's
what is in your sister? Tell everything? Tell me everything
that's it was in your system at that time. Oxies,
oxy codons, bike, it ins, um, heroin, meth h alcohol,
(41:20):
maybe no ecstasy, stirrup, lean, probably a little bit of lane,
which is coding right. Yeah, I was doing everything. Alcohol
really wasn't my thing. That was like a last fucking resort. Cannabis. No,
I didn't funk with cannabis. Bro, that's so fucking crazy.
(41:40):
That's that's why that's why I no, No, it's it's
that's amazing. I mean, and that's that's that is Yet
that is just one instance that cannabis wasn't no gateway
drug for you. You know, hit you taste it all
coke when you were eleven, So I mean, Jesus, that's
(42:01):
a gateway drug. So all right, so all right, it's hard.
It's it's I know, we I know, we have you
for a limited time because you have a show you're
doing tonight. Is it is it a virtual show or
is it what's what kind of just a private family
thing someone has had has me and uh, we have
a meeting in this evening. And then they actually hired
(42:22):
my guitar player to perform. But since he's my guitar
player and it's friends and family, I'm gonna perform too
as a surprise. So they don't know the sober junkies
popping into sing a few songs. No, they just think
I'm coming to hang out nice. You're really a wonderful man.
That's that's my business partner with the kick kid man.
(42:44):
Oh that's and you know what, we got to talk
about that so you know what I mean, as we
could go on forever, you know, And actually I think
it's a good time to to kind of break it there,
and we could we could have you back and talk
and go in detail about your how long in prison
in and out and stuff? Seven years honestly seven or
eight years in and out? Yeah? Yes, so and and
(43:07):
you know what, I'm sure, I'm sure Joe Blue and
my brother would love to get in on that. So
let's say, I know Grande for sure, Oh my god,
I mean, well, he just wants to know if you
got banged in the ass. You know, don't answer that here,
you know, but I already know what he's gonna say,
(43:28):
you know, but but but nonetheless, the kick Kit. I'm
glad that you know. I want to talk about that.
And you know the kick that's k I C K
K K I T the kick Kit. I'm you said
those two words to me. I want to say, maybe
(43:49):
the maybe three years ago or so soon after we met,
four years maybe, um, that you had this idea you
wanted to do the kick kid. Tell us what the
now it seems it's going to be a reality. Tell
us what it is. So when I got clean, I
used cannabis, that was my thing, and I used the
(44:13):
twelve step recovery and I hid the cannabis thing. And
then after having over eight years clean actually, like I said,
about three years ago, I was like, you know what,
I'm clean. This is working for me. And now the
the technology, the things we found out that nano, the
you know, the sibling rules, that all this stuff that
cannabis has now right, and all the things that we've
(44:33):
been learning about, the CBD, the CBG, you know, Delta A,
Delta nine like all these things that we have right.
So I was like, dude, I want to make a
kid where people have all the things that they need,
but they go through a withdrawal. But I can't say
do this, do that, do this, do that? You know,
we can't do that. But I know I could get
the right stuff and put it together. You know what
(44:55):
I'm saying to where it's it's not the miracle thing,
but it's exactly what you need to it through the
withdraw and to be able to do it and not
feel like you're dying. Because Mark, like I told you,
that was the scariest thing for me. So many times
I tried to get clean, Bro, but the withdrawal every
time pulled me back. Bro. I think it's like that
for a lot of us. Well, let me ask you this.
(45:15):
So if I'm if I'm addicted to something and I'm
gonna is the Kick Kit for someone who's addicted to
just heroin or meth? Absolutely? Absolutely, absolutely anything it's an alcohol, ye,
any alcohol. I think anything that's that's that's hurting you, man,
(45:38):
anything that's gonna you know what I'm saying, affecting you
in a negative way. You know, let me ask him
if I'm addicted to that, I'm addicted to meth, and
I said, I want to Kick Kit. I wanna. I
want to use cannabis to get off this ship. I
want to do what sober Junkie did. When if somebody
were to get the kick Kid walk through it, what
(46:00):
would they do? Okay, So I don't want to give
away too much because we haven't gone all the way. Hey, hey,
giveaway as much as your attorney would allow you to.
It's just like zero. So what it is, I'll tell
you this is what it is. It's gonna walk you
through it is what it is. It's it's everything that
you need. You know. When we kick we go through
(46:23):
a lot of things like the NASA, right, and it's uncontrollable.
You feel so sick. The whole time you're shaking your
your heart's racing a hundred miles an hour. You've been
beating yourself up. Usually when it's hearin or methods something,
your serotonin levels are down everything. So it's not just
cannabis products. There's other holistic things in their envitaments to
get the serotonin level back up. Just a lot of
(46:44):
really good stuff man that you know, my attorney would say,
st f you, but um, it's everything you need, you know,
it's every it's everything you need, and it's everything I
wish I could have had. I had just this small part.
You know, our beautiful medicine are in and and what
I've been able to do is with having doctors involved
(47:04):
now and other people that are in recovery, because we've
got some heavy hitters in recovery that are in twelve
step program helping us and working with us bro And
that's unheard of because everybody's like, oh, cannabis not not
no more, dude, not when you've got guys like me
going on nine years clean April twenty baby. So so
(47:26):
so something like the universally known a a alcoholics anonymous, right,
I mean, that's that's that's probably where the twelve Step
pro program became very famous from and and very hardcore
believers in that. I think that you know that, and
(47:46):
you shouldn't do Canada, you shouldn't do anything, you know,
like complete abstinence. But I think as you've said, more
and more people are realizing that you know, this is
this is a medicine that can happen now. So so
to help bring a dream of yours to fruition, Who
have you hooked up with? What entity? How are you
(48:06):
getting this kick kit done? Yes? So I'm working with
Joe Reid and UM that's California Care Group. Um, they
also are Nevata Care Group and they're connected with World
Dignity CBD and UM, Joe and I got together and
I told him when I needed to make this happen,
and very this is the thing I've noticed, man, And
(48:28):
you said it to me. You said, when it's right,
it's gonna be boom boom, boom boom, it's not gonna be.
And that's what it's been. And even things that you know, uh,
and I didn't think of, he thought of and brought
it to my attention, and you know it was, Hey,
we got the website already. You know. It wasn't Hey,
I was thinking we should get the website. It was Hey,
(48:50):
just so you know, we got the website. It's in
your name, it's mine done. Um, It's it's you find
the people that that believe in what you're doing. And
here's another thing, like he's got a connection to recovery
as well, and that's a big part of it because
then you you understand me differently. And I'm just excited, man.
The people that are involved right now are gonna make
(49:11):
this seeing go next level and we're gonna be serving
a lot of life. Mark. I'm excited for you, my friend,
and I know you did you and I, as you know,
I've been right there with it as uh with a
brother as your legal counsel, as you've had many many
companies and people approach you for this with this idea
(49:34):
that you had and uh, you know, as you said,
you know, you you know, you know, as they told you.
When it's ried it right, you know happen not a
lot of talk and a lot of cross talks. So
I'm glad that we could be involved and help you
you reach to reach your goals. And I'm glad to
see it happening. And when we come back, we are
going to close out with the Cannabis Talk one on
(49:54):
one High five with the Sober junk Yeah will be
and we'll be right back after this break. What time
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(50:18):
Diame industry dot com or on i G Dime dot Industries.
Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one, Mark and
Craig the popular is that love Blue and Joe Grande
and we want to thank Pit Peanut, Jen Elvis for
really really putting this show together and making it all
happy for if you guys are the best. We wish
(50:40):
you the best and love you now. It's what do
you say as you interrupted? Love you? And Sober Junkie
loves you to love Elvis broken and you can interrupt
me anytime, baby, And you know Elvis is in He's
in Vegas right now. Elvis lives in Vegas. Scott, damn
we to go. Elvis. He moved. He's got a new
(51:02):
job into help. So all right, you gotta cook up
with Elvius in Vegas. That'll be I gotta come to
Vegas as soon as things open up Vegas, Vegas. I mean,
I haven't been back to Vegas. My brothers uh well
he was there. He was there just before they closed
and so but and I know people are going back
(51:23):
and gambling is open, but I just have no interest
in going to Vegas just to gamble. I never did, right,
I want to. I like to go to the events
and the parties, hang out and do all that stuff.
But anyways, let's to get to the favorite part of
my of the show that I like, The Hannibus Talk
one on one High five with the sober Junkie. Alright,
(51:46):
sober junkie. Question number one of the Cannabis Talk one
on one High five. How old were you the first
time you smoked? And where did you get it from?
I was we just talked about at twelve Andy Garcia's
sister Santy twelve and you got it from Andy Garcia's
(52:08):
sisters son. Is that what you said? Her name is Santy?
Santy was her name? And where were you? On a
canal bank in Los Banos, California? There you go, all right,
that's a that's a good one. Man. What is your
favorite way hold on how old were you? Remember? Twelve? Twelve?
So that's right, so so, but you were actually what
(52:30):
is a ten or eleven when you tasted the coke? Yeah,
I was like tam dude tasted coke first, So alright.
Question number two was the first man, Yes, I thank you,
I remember that. Question number two? What is your favorite
way to use cannabis? Smoking and joint? Man? Love it? Alright?
(52:50):
Question number three of the Cannabis Talk one on one
High five with the sober junkie singer songwriter after artists,
just a great guy overall. What's the craziest place you
ever used cannabis or smoked it? Oh? My goodness, and
you must have. I can only imagine. I don't I
don't even know what you're It might be an unfair question,
(53:14):
but you gotta pick one. You gotta pick one. Actually,
on the me walk on the Mewalk res I was
with chicken and say that again, you skip beat for me?
Say that again? Okay? So I was on the Mewalk
Reservation in Northern California with my cousin chickens, smoking on
the top of a hillside next to a giant sasquatch
(53:37):
looking over all the hills of northern California. Wow, sounds
trying to go up there like we four wheel up there. Sick. Alright, bro,
that's a good one. Question number four of the Cannabis
Talk one on one high five, what is your go
to munchies after you get high? It's not really a
(54:01):
munch key thing, man. I'm not a really a munchy
guy man. So um, but I'll tell you what my
favorite munchy is. Well, if that's what we get. Who laughed?
Who's sitting over there? He's laughing over there? Who Mallory?
My daughter, Mallory? What are you laughing about? Mallory? Get
(54:23):
in here, get over here. If you can't if you
can't be if you can't be, if you can't be
quiet during a production where I want to see you.
I want to see your face. You gotta want We
want to we want to meet you. We want to
see you. She camera shot. You said you didn't say hi. Yeah,
you didn't say hi, Uncle Mark. She can't hear you.
It's okay, all right, we'll get it next time you
(54:48):
said hi. Okay. I know she's a beautiful girl. You
got lovely, lovely kids. This man is a father, a
wonderful father. Now tell us what that munch he is.
I'm I'm really feeling banana chips, dude, Okay, and toffee peanuts.
Banana chips have a lot of cars. Banana chips have
(55:09):
a lot of carbs. Careful, yeah, careful with the carbs, alright.
Question number five of the cannabis, talking one on one
high five with the sober junkie. If you could smoke
cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?
Bob Marley? Bob Marley? Why is that my friend? Why?
(55:32):
Because he visits me in my dreams and I feel
he he was a prophet, you know, to the people.
I feel he was like a gift and his music
resonates in my soul. And to be able to smoke
with him with just I don't know, man, it would be, uh,
(55:54):
it would be. It's not just getting stoned, you know.
I think magic would happen. We didn't write any song together,
thank you know? All right? I love that. I love
that answer. I love I love that answer. All right.
Before we get out of here, you know, we we
we spent so much time talking about you, more or less,
(56:14):
we didn't get into your actual music. And songs and
sounds and means. We we need, we need a couple
of days with you. But just tell everybody in terms
of music, what are like the three songs? If they're
gonna go google for people who hadn't heard of you before,
who's the sober junkie? What's this stuff all about? Three
of your songs? Give us your your top three songs
(56:36):
for you that you'd want people to google and go
listen to or watch the videos? People remix, take Me
Away and um the latest song which is important and
it's and it's me and di Look, actually it's our
song for St Dog Rescued Peace do look from the
(56:57):
Common mount Kings. Yes, this my bros. That's great. No, yes,
I know, that's that's all. Legend never Die, Legends Never
dies the song, so we got Legends Never Die? What
were the other two? Take Me Away? And people remix
and people remix and geez, I know something, I know
(57:19):
a little something about those first two songs? You know
about them all? I think you might. I think you might.
You have a remix, don't you. Well, if if you
listen close enough, you might hear my voice in the
background somewhere. I don't know, Yes you will, Yes you do.
I love your brother. Tell everybody where they can tell
(57:40):
everybody where they can find you. Sober Junkie Official dot
com and uh just Sober Junkie Official on Instagram at
the Sober Junkie Official. My I G is to everything
and my I G s got my website on it.
Everything I'm doing. I stay on Instagram every day, so
it's best space to tapping in me. I'm saying good
(58:01):
morning to see I'm saying good I do you. I
really tapped him with the people because I can. You know,
yes you do, and I know he does. It's been
a pleasure having you on the show right now, and
we're gonna get you on again to wrap up well,
I don't know, we're gonna have to have you a
couple of times. Joe is gonna need to get your
get you for the prison stuff. I know he's gonna
(58:22):
have it all. Uh And I mean that in all
sorts of ways. But hey, it's Cannabis Talk one on one,
and remember this, if no one else loves you, we do.
Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one oh one
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An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.