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Speaker 2 (01:47):
Today's a very special day, you guys. We wanted to
jump on because for those who.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Are living under a rock over the weekend, and I
know you may be listening to this on a total
different day. But Congressional Democrats and others are criticizing, of course,
Donald Trump of abusing his power and an assault on
a rule of law after the Republican President on Friday
gave an executive clemency to lifelong Front End advisor Roger
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Stone at sixty seven years old. Stone was sentenced to
three years and four months in prison after he was
convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and line to Congress about
the Russian interference in that twenty sixteen US election, and
a few more things that Craig will point out as well,
and is in his original sentence. He was called for
him to be on supervised release for two years.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who presided over Stone's trials,
set at July fourteenth deadline, which we're actually recording this
on the fourteenth, you guys, and received a copy of
Trump's clemency order, so he announced it four days before
on a Friday, so it kind of going into the
radar over the weekend. That's what a lot of political
people do, right when they do something, they want to
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do it on a Friday so that you forget about it,
so the news isn't in front of your face all
week long about it? Are there's no days in front
of you, But of course the news was out there.
Stone was due to have to report to federal prison
in Georgia on Tuesday, July fourteenth, the day this is airing.
He was supposed to go to prison for three years.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Trump's actions marked his most assertive intervention to protect an
associate in a criminal case and his latest use of
executive clemency to benefit an ally. Now it's crazy because
after all this, if you don't remember, former US Special
Counsel Robert Mueller has made a rare public interview in
defending his indictment of former Trump advisor Roger Stone, and
(03:38):
he was saying he was found guilty on these charges.
So even for Muller to come out, President Trump of
course committed Stone forty months jail sentence on Friday, saying
he was the victim of a witch hunt. So, my boy,
the guy who was convicted of a witch hunt, who
lied to Congress, And what else.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Did he do?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Crazy?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
With seven counts actually seven altogether seven counts, seven counts
of line to Congress. He lied that he had contact
with Wiki Leaks, which released all those stolen Democrat democratic
emails right before the election. You mentioned all the other
stuff as well, And but so people understand the difference
between a commutation or clemency as opposed to a pardon.
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A pardon, which is interesting that he didn't pardon him
would mean wipes out the entire case. So he did,
he would know he would no longer be a felon
if he had a pardon, like you're not guilty.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
What he did was that might.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Have been going too far in Trump's head. Uh, and
what people could have done with that let alone. The
commutation is you don't have to serve the sentence that
you were convicted of. You don't have to serve the sentence,
the penalty, the penalty for which of what you were
convicted of. So he's still a felon. That's not wiped
off his record. He just doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Serve he didn't. He doesn't have to serve the time.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
While we got people with a din bag in fucking
Phoenix going to jail for two fucking years, and we
got a guy a jury of United States citizens compromise
that jury.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't believe that Roger was ever guilty in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What do you mean he's accuse him lying.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Or no, no, no, no, just wait a minute, let's go back.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I'm getting the I'm only getting excited because of the
jury processes. You citizens hurt evidence. Blue, You weren't sitting
fucking there. I wasn't sitting there, Mark or Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But oh, we love has got nothing to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We're gonna play the interview fortunate.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'm gonna I'm gonna have a brother next time we
have a criminal case. Right, he's gonna go into the
judge and say, this is not fair trying my clients.
This is a hoax. I didn't have one hundred and
thirty eight pounds. It's a goddamn hoas your honor, Yeah,
I mean, where does that work? It just it's a
it's an abomination to the to the to the criminal
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process of the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's a win. Is it a disgrace?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A win for Roger Stone and absolutely win for Roger
Donald Trump, it's a win.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Wow, you sound like you're back on the Trump wagon there.
It's just a win.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Of course, sometimes there's no arguments. Sometimes no one's denying
the win, Doug. We're saying, is it right, Well, it
doesn't matter. If it's right, it does.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Gonna set some precedents for presidents in the future.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know you right or die with me, You'll be friends,
are safe. Yeah, do what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It means always been that way.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
No, not all degree, no degree.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
No other president has had somebody do so much dirt.
Nobody that they've been able to do this all the
other is more presidential like and been more on a
straight and arrow.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Don't get me wrong. There's a bunch of ship.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You know, they have to make some orders, but they
don't have people that are fucking in to other people
in Russia and asking people from Wiki leaks to go
do investigative stuff on other competes.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
He wasn't a very good line.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He's just horrible.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know what's it's jury of his peers.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Blue.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
How do you argue Now, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not saying whether he was guilty or not. Okay, I'm
saying it's a win for him for him, and you
know what, and that crumbles sometimes and you know what,
I I just know it doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You don't get it.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Did it did?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But it doesn't happen Sometimes it happened once.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No, it's criticism because we've got Senator miss Brocket, We've
got Senator public publican out of Utah calling the commutation
unprecedented historic corruption. An American president communes the sentence of
a person convicted by a jury of line to shield
that very president.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And now he's going to get up and campaign for him,
and of course he is.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well, here's the best part about this, you guys, And
for those who are listening that don't really become their
friend Rogers I heard you guys tell the story. Roger
Stone really put you guys on the map. Because after
Roger Stone, you guys, seventy thousand followers, it was it
was a combinations two followers, two followers, and then you
met roger Stone. Explain that, No, seriously explain the story.
(08:18):
How Rogers Stone really.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Helped you guys.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
We actually helped him.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, we actually let let's run it really back because
Blue set up us to go to the c w
CBX fact.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No, actually I thought it was actually New York.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That was in New York that you guys, Yes, ultimate
relationship with them here in Los Angeles. They wanted to
fly us and the set out to to uh to
Boston or New York, and I thank you, Craig, and
then we ended up we ended up there and sitting
with Roger Stone, the political strategist for Donald Trump and
you know, not only that though, he's been a political
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strategist for multiple other you know, presidents mix his career.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What was that Serious.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Flix documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, he's good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
He's great at what he does. He's a political trickster,
is what. And that he admits that period, that's that's
what he does.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, that's a good no judge, that's what you know.
And I'm not mad at people like that too. Reminds
me of that showing ABC with uh, the woman who
was right handed the president.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You know, just political but no blues right blues.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Right. We were able to go to New York and
one of the people mulling around the I think he
was going to speak. I can't remember if he was
gonna do speaking. He was a speaker, but you know,
we the owner of the convention brought him up and
we did an interview with him regarding his pro cannabis stance,
and he was behind a cannabis lobbying firm I believe
at the time he said he had the president's air
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at the time, but I'm not sure how close it
was because.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Nothing's happened, obviously, But he doesn't no, not for cannabis.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Unfortunately he has his ear enough to say, get me
out of this.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
After that interview.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Whether or not it was because of that interview where
he met us, We met us one time, right yep. Okay,
So a couple of years later when he goes through
this case as he's in the middle of his case
and he's and he's.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Talking under this case that we're talking about right now.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
In the case we're talking about now two years ago
or so, Mark'll take exact date later, but he posts
because the judgement posed a gag order on him because
he wouldn't be quiet, so the judge said you can't.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He kept running his mouth all the time on every
end he got.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
There the last gag order the judge the judge and
posed a gag order, and Roger Stone posted on his
Facebook page he reposted respect my regions repost of one
of our videos shut shut the fuck up videos, and
then Roger Stone reposted it saying these should be my
lawyers and boo yoo.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Actually it is Roger twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, and we
had one hundred and nineteen thousand followers up to that
point and then that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Now we're at three hundred million went realistic.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It has over four hundred or five hundred million views
across all.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Of social media.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
But but but backing off his stance online and stuff,
that's you know, I'm not going to judge, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Know exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
What you don't have to he didn't have to b no,
but no, but not even that is. This is how
polarizing this ship can be. Because let's set aside the
politics period, whether he was set up, it was a
witch whether the hoax, whether maybe the jury was told
a bunch of crap that they believed, so maybe it
was a hook that the jury found him guilty on
(11:32):
who knows, right. But at the end of the day,
hopefully now that he's out, he can go back to
the stance he has.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And if you listen a little later on, we're going
to play that interview for you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I don't think you're gonna be blown away.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
His stance on on uh legalizing cannabis in the United States.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't think for one second Roger Stone is the
kind of guy that's going to change his stands.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I didn't mean he's gonna change it. I mean no,
he can pick up steam, he can come back up
and pick up Steve. I think he can help.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I think he really He's gonna make Now Roger Stone,
get me Roger Stone. I want Roger Stone back on
the show.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Get me Roger not only getting him on the show,
but Roger Stone is the type of cat that you
want to ride or die with you Because that dude,
even though he told you know it is when he
was in court, but that full went to the you
know Russians and was like, hey guys, he went to
the Yeah, he went to the dirt and to find
me some dirt, dirt on this Hillary girl and do.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What you gotta do to help my boy wain.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But you know, the funny thing is about all these
police then.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
That's not what see.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
This is the funny part about all these political trials
of the last two years. Not one of them, I believe,
not one of them, Flynn Manift, and there's like twenty
other ones. None of them got imprisoned or went to
jail because of what they did.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was because they all lied about it. Look at
it wasn't about what they did did.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I talked to Wiki Wiki Leaks and they said they're
gonna dump those emails next week. I guess they had
some kind of proof whatever it was in court that stone,
you know that there was there to show the opposite
of what he said or whatever the whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
But it was all every one of them, it's been about.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Lying to Coin'd be a worse trouble if he admitted it.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
No, there'd be no trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He'd be no trouble if you just admitted otherwise.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
There would be charges for that. There were never charges for.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Any funny if these cats and most people just remind
you of kids, Let's get because.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There is trouble there.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
No, let's get a political though. Clinton, he did not.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He would trouble for getting his dicks.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He did not get correct. He got impeached for lying
about good said, yeah, ship man, it was one of
those night's. You know, she was looking good at a
cigar and some whiskey.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
She kept staring at me and grabbing my cigar, and
I just said, your mind put in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, you know, listen, listen.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Sometimes sometimes you know, people are just have the power
to get away with things or or and I'm not
saying he got away with anything.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Maybe he was completely falsely accused because.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
That happened and falsified. It happened, happen.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It happens more than a man, especially right now. And
look at look at Trump was was implemented in all
these these uh you know, implicated, implicated and all these
things as well, and was completely acquitted.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He was he was never charged, right, he was never well.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
He was being charged with rape to and all these
women as well, and they paid them all off.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And it's all under the rug as well. So there's
a lot of things that they could do about thinking
he just grab Yeah, that's all he likes. He admitted
to that. I mean, he admits to those things.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
He's not a liar about that, and that's why he didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Get in trouble for it, and the other ones he
just paid off to shut up. Well, this is really
about this is really about Rogerstone. Let's get in talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Rogers Stone and how he supports cannabis. And that's why
we're gonna get the time because he's a bit the
quarter of legalizing cannabis the United States and I hopefully
now that he's out, he can continue.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
And uh, how about this, Why don't you guys reach
out to him and shift will come on the show.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Since you loved you so much. This is BLUEOD get
me Roger Stone. I need Roger Stone here.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Reach out to him right now, Gerstone on the show,
and then for the meantime. Right now, we want you
guys to listen to this and his political standpoint on cannabis.
This is very important, guys, and make sure you understand
what this man is.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Go ahead, you're calling him right now? Wait does that
work here exactly?
Speaker 8 (15:35):
Ship?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Are you really trying to call hi him? Put it
on speaker? Okay, cool, let's see. Let's get see if
you gets a hold of him, we'll get to the
interview in a second. Hold on, babe, Hold on, listen, listen.
Oh he gave you a Google fuck a bullshit.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Voice, Roger, I think you need to give us a
call your earliest opportunity. It's Mark and Craig, the pop
brothers at Law.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
No, you don't have a you have a real member on.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Are you sending them a message on Messenger on Facebook? Well,
you guys got a chance to catch.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Up with them at a CWCVX bo let everybody our
city Blue.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
We tried to get to it, but youse guys tried
to call.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Them the show let's let's get to the real clips
of us having the conversation. Here's us live with Roger
Stone at cwcbx.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Bow in Boston, New York, one of those.
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right, that's right. How are we doing today, guys?
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Fantastic?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Good Mark Telfow we're at.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
We are at the CWCB Expo in New York City.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
What a wonderful place to be with all these flourishing
cannabis businesses coming up.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Nice nice, Well, tell us what we have on the show.
We have Roger Stone political strategies. How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Excellent? Glad to be with you.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Roger.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Let us know what are your views in the cannabis
space at this time.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
Well, I'm a conservative Republican film That means that I
think the individual should decide what they smoke, what they ingest,
who they marry, what they do in their own bedroom.
See the liberal view to me, that's when the big
government tells you you can't smoke, that you can't ingest that.
That's to me, that's authoritarianism. So I have been a
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forty year friend and supporter of Donald Trump. I first
urged him to run for president in nineteen eighty eight,
then again in two thousand, then again in twenty twelve,
and then finally was successful in twenty sixteen. And during
the campaign for president, candidate Trump was very fourthright about
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the fact that he supported states rights in the twenty
nine states that had legalized marijuana, and that if the
people in those states had decided that they wanted legal cannabis,
that that should be paramount, which I think won him
millions of votes, votes of younger I believe absolutely. I
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also think he also did incrementally better than say McCain
or Romney among African Americans. And you can say, if
you want, the difference between twelve percent and sixteen seems small,
but it was large enough to swing Wisconsin, was large
enough to swing Michigan, was large enough to swing Pennsylvania.
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So I think this has been a pivotal.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Issue for the president.
Speaker 10 (18:48):
Now what disturbs me is that Attorney General Jeff Sessions
and the Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, and the new
opioid drugs are Chris Christie seemed to be announcing a
(19:09):
crackdown on legal marijuana, in complete contradiction of what the
President said in the campaign. And I don't think they're
serving the president. Well, I don't think this reflects his views.
If you go back over twenty years ago, in an
interview I think with Playboy magazine, Donald Trump says the
war on drugs is a big, expensive failure and legalization
(19:32):
is the answer. So he knows how he knows the issue,
and I hope to persuade him working with others through
a nonprofit we announced here today called the United States
Cannabis Coalition, with a very very narrow agenda. There's a
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lot of pro cannabis organizations with a broader agenda, and
I support them and I salute them. We have one
narrow agenda. Convince the president. Urge the President to keep
his promise and protect legal cannabis in twenty nine states,
and then secondarily take the historic step that Barack Obama
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did not take and end the Schedule one classification of cannabis,
which as you know, prevents physicians from prescribing it.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Yes, that's where we are today.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
That's the fight that we face, and it's going to take,
in my opinion, a coalition of Republicans and Democrats, liberals
and conservatives, progressives and libertarians working together on this issue
where we have common ground, and we have got to
mobilize millions of people simply to remind the president and urge.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Him to keep his pledge.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Very well said, I mean, I think we're in that
state right now where everybody is feeling the same way,
and he put Sessions in play right.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And yeah, I don't know how that jives with states rights.
I mean, that's what I don't understand. If you're a
conservative Republican, how can you what are you trying to
legislate morals? The ones who don't want to they want
to deny the science. Sessions wants to deny the science
of marijuana, and.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
I don't think he doesn't even want to acknowledge the science. Look,
there's an inconsistency here. You can't say, well, when it
comes to transgender bathrooms, I'm for states rights. When it
comes to gay marriage, I'm for states rights. When it
comes to abortion, I'm for gates rights. Oh, cannabis. No,
we got to illegally, right, you gotta make that illegal
federal either.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I agree.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
There's an internal inconsistency here that the Attorney General seems
to be unaware of. And in all honesty, I have
no idea at this juncture whether the President has any
idea what Sessions is talking about in his name.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Is that seems to be problematic. How can he not know, Well,
he has a few other things on his mind. Well,
that's true, true, And again the.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Good news is that while the Attorney General has announced
his intention to do these things, he hasn't done them yet. Now,
we learned a couple of days ago that he wrote
a letter to the Congress asking essentially for permission to
prosecute people for possession in the states where cannabis has
been legalized. This is a slippery slope. This is turning
back the clock. And then we had the Homeland Security
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Secretary say in an incredible interview, marijuana is a gateway drug.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is this guy?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
What planet is this guy on? What century does he
live in?
Speaker 10 (22:48):
This has been disproven, just in terms of raw mathematics.
Millions of people smoke marijuana and therefore or use marijuana. Therefore,
if it's a gay way drug which leads to harder drugs,
where are the millions of heroin attics?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Right?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Where are the millions of cocaineatics? They don't exist.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
So this has been disproven, this kind of anti this
drug war rhetoric, that's false.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Well, we do have the caucus now, the marijuana Caucus,
so the cannabis caula direct comprised of Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
See, I think that's the fallback here, which is, if
God forbid, we are unsuccessful in convincing the President to
put a lid on Attorney general sessions, if there is
going to be a crackdown, well then the answer is
full legalization by the Congress. And I believe that the
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votes probably exist in the House today between liberal Democrats
and libertarian Republicans. The votes don't exist in the Senate today,
but that doesn't mean we couldn't find the votes. And
I tell you, guys, this is an industry that is
generating hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues for states
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and counties that would otherwise be bankrupt, and is creating
hundreds of thousands of jobs, all of which is consistent
with the President's plan to make America great again. So
this is a plus plus for the administration if they
will simply dispassionately look at the facts.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I think it's a real estate play in all.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I mean, you know, a four million dollar property turns
into a twelve million dollar property if it's in the
green zone in the city of Coasta Mesa, California. You know,
you're you're talking about Colorado's economy going through the rout
by the billions, pulling point four billion, pulling out cities
like Atlanto there's nowhere city and bankruptcy backwards by by
almost a couple million dollars and pulls them right out
(24:51):
of it in the first year. I mean, it's obvious
that it's helping our economy. Well, I mean, at least.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
We did get the.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Rollbacker Luminaur Amendment to the spending bill. And I mean
Dana Rohbacher's been an ardent supporter, yes, and conservative Republican.
And that's what I argue with my conservative Republican friends,
is like, come on, like you said, States rights, but
not on this issue.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Come on.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
Yeah. The problem, of course is that you cannot talk
about conservatives monolithically anymore than you can talk about liberals monolithically.
We have economic conservatives, we have social conservatives, we have
foreign policy and defense conservatives, we have libertarian So maybe
the movement has been too successful. But I argue with
(25:41):
some of my social conservative friends about marijuana, but there's
not much to argue about because the facts are all in.
This is a giant success in the twenty nine states
where it's been legalized. So in those states, opioid addiction down,
opioid deaths down, drug overdoses down, and armed robbery down,
(26:06):
breaking and entering down, car theft down, all small petty
crimes down, the exact opposite of what they told us
would happen. There's not much to guess about here.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The facts are in.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
They would just read it, look at it, but they
don't seem to want to do that at the highest level.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Well, what can we as a community and as individuals,
what would you suggest people do to further the end
of getting in the president's ear and making him to
his claim.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
First of all, don't attack the president because he has
not yet said or done anything wrong so far. Everything
he said on this, everything he said on issue issue
I think is consistent with what the people here today think.
I think you have to remind him of his pledge
and just urge him to keep faith with the millions
of people who are getting medical benefits from cannabis today.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
How do we do that as an individual, Let's say, uh,
letting him know keep your promise.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Well, there's a lot of different ways.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
One you can obviously, you can contribute to the United
States Cannabis Coalition, because we're going to be buying both
broadcast television, cable television, digital advertising targeted at the district
of Columbia, targeted at our decision makers, particularly targeted at
the president. But also you can call two oh two
four five six one four one four and you can
(27:33):
leave a message for the president and they're set up
to do that. And yeah, millions of people called that
number every day and told the President to keep his
pledge two one two A partly two zero two four
five six one four one four. There's a public comment
section there. White House operator will answer.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
That's another way. We're going to have a very broad.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Outreach to millions of people who support cannabis rights, and
we will have a dozen different ways. You can sign
a postcard to the president. You can sign a petition
to the president.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
This is about numbers.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Donald Trump is a guy who's not an ideologue. He's
a pragmatist. He's interested in results, He's interested in facts. Now,
I can't tell you that he's getting all the facts today.
It's up to us to make sure that he has
the facts. My forty year experience with him is that
when he has all the facts, he almost inevitably makes
the right decision. This is a no brainer, right, I mean,
(28:38):
cannabis is not part of the problem. Cannabis is part
of the solution to making America great again.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Yes, well, put, well, put.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know you have such a great career. I've actually
I was thoroughly I watched Your Your Your Complete.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I started watching Your Your the next documentary, Yes, and
I ended.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Up watching the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I didn't intend on it, but I was so just
intrigued in what you've done in your career. I'm I
think you're I'm proud to be here next to you.
I respect what you've done. Uh, and I think that
there's not any other Roger Stone in the world, you know,
So congratulations on all of your successes and thank you
(29:28):
dearly for being here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I truly knew that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And you know, if you ever need to get anything
out on radio from our point of view, we do
have a wide listenership.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
We would love to help support you on that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I appreciate being here, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I think that in politics and in life, tenacity and
persistence and resilience are important, and I intend to bring
those things to the fight for legal cabins.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
This is my major focus now.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
This I think is the thing I can do that
the most benefit official to the country. I got into
politics because of a set of beliefs, not because I
wanted a title, or I wanted to make an income,
or I wanted a job, or I wanted to meet
cool people.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Well I did want to meet girls. I did that,
but other than that.
Speaker 10 (30:14):
So to me, this is not only a fight about
personal freedom. But both my father and my grandfather died
of cancer. They both had to undergo chemotherapy and radiation.
Neither one of them could get any relief other than
with cannabis. And therefore I've lived this. It's why it's
(30:36):
important to me, and I'm going to be out there
and I think that we need the support of everyone
I don't care if you and I disagree about Russia,
or war, or the Iraq war, or any of the
current issues.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
I want liberals and conservatives. I want left and right.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
I want progressives and liberty as here is an issue
on which.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We could all have common ground.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
The time is now.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
The United States Cannabis Coalition is going to take on
this narrow mission, and.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I appreciate the opportunity to be here. Many thanks, thank
you very much, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
One last question for you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Certainly the next three years, whereas cannabis is going to
be in their market, Well, it's pretty.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Clear to me that we are moving towards legalization in
fifty states.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
It will ultimately happen.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Then federal world law would be an anachronism. It would
be it would have no value and no use whatsoever.
This is very much like gay marriage. It's an idea
whose time has come. The opposition is falling away on
the basis of the facts. They can no longer dissemble
about what this means. All their projections of doom and
(31:51):
disaster have been law have been disproven. The future belongs
to us.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Thank you for being on the show. This is Rogers
Stone ladies and gentlemen. We're talking to you guys, Cannabis
Talk one on one.
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We will be back.
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Speaker 2 (01:47):
Today's a very special day, you guys. We wanted to
jump on because for those who.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Are living under a rock over the weekend, and I
know you may be listening to this on a total
different day. But Congressional Democrats and others are criticizing, of course,
Donald Trump of abusing his power and an assault on
a rule of law after the Republican President on Friday
gave an executive clemency to lifelong Front End advisor Roger
(02:11):
Stone at sixty seven years old. Stone was sentenced to
three years and four months in prison after he was
convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and line to Congress about
the Russian interference in that twenty sixteen US election, and
a few more things that Craig will point out as well,
and is in his original sentence. He was called for
him to be on supervised release for two years.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who presided over Stone's trials,
set at July fourteenth deadline, which we're actually recording this
on the fourteenth, you guys, and received a copy of
Trump's clemency order, so he announced it four days before
on a Friday, so it kind of going into the
radar over the weekend. That's what a lot of political
people do, right when they do something, they want to
(02:56):
do it on a Friday so that you forget about it,
so the news isn't in front of your face all
week long about it? Are there's no days in front
of you, But of course the news was out there.
Stone was due to have to report to federal prison
in Georgia on Tuesday, July fourteenth, the day this is airing.
He was supposed to go to prison for three years.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Trump's actions marked his most assertive intervention to protect an
associate in a criminal case and his latest use of
executive clemency to benefit an ally. Now it's crazy because
after all this, if you don't remember, former US Special
Counsel Robert Mueller has made a rare public interview in
defending his indictment of former Trump advisor Roger Stone, and
(03:38):
he was saying he was found guilty on these charges.
So even for Muller to come out, President Trump of
course committed Stone forty months jail sentence on Friday, saying
he was the victim of a witch hunt. So, my boy,
the guy who was convicted of a witch hunt, who
lied to Congress, And what else.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Did he do?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Crazy?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
With seven counts actually seven altogether seven counts, seven counts
of line to Congress. He lied that he had contact
with Wiki Leaks, which released all those stolen Democrat democratic
emails right before the election. You mentioned all the other
stuff as well, And but so people understand the difference
between a commutation or clemency as opposed to a pardon.
(04:26):
A pardon, which is interesting that he didn't pardon him
would mean wipes out the entire case. So he did,
he would know he would no longer be a felon
if he had a pardon, like you're not guilty.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
What he did was that might.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Have been going too far in Trump's head. Uh, and
what people could have done with that let alone. The
commutation is you don't have to serve the sentence that
you were convicted of. You don't have to serve the sentence,
the penalty, the penalty for which of what you were
convicted of. So he's still a felon. That's not wiped
off his record. He just doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Serve he didn't. He doesn't have to serve the time.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
While we got people with a din bag in fucking
Phoenix going to jail for two fucking years, and we
got a guy a jury of United States citizens compromise
that jury.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't believe that Roger was ever guilty in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What do you mean he's accuse him lying.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Or no, no, no, no, just wait a minute, let's go back.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I'm getting the I'm only getting excited because of the
jury processes. You citizens hurt evidence. Blue, You weren't sitting
fucking there. I wasn't sitting there, Mark or Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But oh, we love has got nothing to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We're gonna play the interview fortunate.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'm gonna I'm gonna have a brother next time we
have a criminal case. Right, he's gonna go into the
judge and say, this is not fair trying my clients.
This is a hoax. I didn't have one hundred and
thirty eight pounds. It's a goddamn hoas your honor, Yeah,
I mean, where does that work? It just it's a
it's an abomination to the to the to the criminal
(06:04):
process of the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's a win. Is it a disgrace?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A win for Roger Stone and absolutely win for Roger
Donald Trump, it's a win.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Wow, you sound like you're back on the Trump wagon there.
It's just a win.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Of course, sometimes there's no arguments. Sometimes no one's denying
the win, Doug. We're saying, is it right, Well, it
doesn't matter. If it's right, it does.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Gonna set some precedents for presidents in the future.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know you right or die with me, You'll be friends,
are safe. Yeah, do what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It means always been that way.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
No, not all degree, no degree.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
No other president has had somebody do so much dirt.
Nobody that they've been able to do this all the
other is more presidential like and been more on a
straight and arrow.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Don't get me wrong. There's a bunch of ship.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You know, they have to make some orders, but they
don't have people that are fucking in to other people
in Russia and asking people from Wiki leaks to go
do investigative stuff on other competes.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
He wasn't a very good line.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He's just horrible.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know what's it's jury of his peers.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Blue.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
How do you argue Now, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not saying whether he was guilty or not. Okay, I'm
saying it's a win for him for him, and you
know what, and that crumbles sometimes and you know what,
I I just know it doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You don't get it.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Did it did?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But it doesn't happen Sometimes it happened once.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No, it's criticism because we've got Senator miss Brocket, We've
got Senator public publican out of Utah calling the commutation
unprecedented historic corruption. An American president communes the sentence of
a person convicted by a jury of line to shield
that very president.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And now he's going to get up and campaign for him,
and of course he is.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well, here's the best part about this, you guys, And
for those who are listening that don't really become their
friend Rogers I heard you guys tell the story. Roger
Stone really put you guys on the map. Because after
Roger Stone, you guys, seventy thousand followers, it was it
was a combinations two followers, two followers, and then you
met roger Stone. Explain that, No, seriously explain the story.
(08:18):
How Rogers Stone really.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Helped you guys.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
We actually helped him.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, we actually let let's run it really back because
Blue set up us to go to the c w
CBX fact.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No, actually I thought it was actually New York.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That was in New York that you guys, Yes, ultimate
relationship with them here in Los Angeles. They wanted to
fly us and the set out to to uh to
Boston or New York, and I thank you, Craig, and
then we ended up we ended up there and sitting
with Roger Stone, the political strategist for Donald Trump and
you know, not only that though, he's been a political
(08:51):
strategist for multiple other you know, presidents mix his career.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What was that Serious.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Flix documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, he's good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
He's great at what he does. He's a political trickster,
is what. And that he admits that period, that's that's
what he does.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, that's a good no judge, that's what you know.
And I'm not mad at people like that too. Reminds
me of that showing ABC with uh, the woman who
was right handed the president.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You know, just political but no blues right blues.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Right. We were able to go to New York and
one of the people mulling around the I think he
was going to speak. I can't remember if he was
gonna do speaking. He was a speaker, but you know,
we the owner of the convention brought him up and
we did an interview with him regarding his pro cannabis stance,
and he was behind a cannabis lobbying firm I believe
at the time he said he had the president's air
(09:42):
at the time, but I'm not sure how close it
was because.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Nothing's happened, obviously, But he doesn't no, not for cannabis.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Unfortunately he has his ear enough to say, get me
out of this.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
After that interview.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Whether or not it was because of that interview where
he met us, We met us one time, right yep. Okay,
So a couple of years later when he goes through
this case as he's in the middle of his case
and he's and he's.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Talking under this case that we're talking about right now.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
In the case we're talking about now two years ago
or so, Mark'll take exact date later, but he posts
because the judgement posed a gag order on him because
he wouldn't be quiet, so the judge said you can't.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He kept running his mouth all the time on every
end he got.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
There the last gag order the judge the judge and
posed a gag order, and Roger Stone posted on his
Facebook page he reposted respect my regions repost of one
of our videos shut shut the fuck up videos, and
then Roger Stone reposted it saying these should be my
lawyers and boo yoo.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Actually it is Roger twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, and we
had one hundred and nineteen thousand followers up to that
point and then that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Now we're at three hundred million went realistic.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It has over four hundred or five hundred million views
across all.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Of social media.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
But but but backing off his stance online and stuff,
that's you know, I'm not going to judge, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Know exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
What you don't have to he didn't have to b no,
but no, but not even that is. This is how
polarizing this ship can be. Because let's set aside the
politics period, whether he was set up, it was a
witch whether the hoax, whether maybe the jury was told
a bunch of crap that they believed, so maybe it
was a hook that the jury found him guilty on
(11:32):
who knows, right. But at the end of the day,
hopefully now that he's out, he can go back to
the stance he has.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And if you listen a little later on, we're going
to play that interview for you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I don't think you're gonna be blown away.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
His stance on on uh legalizing cannabis in the United States.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't think for one second Roger Stone is the
kind of guy that's going to change his stands.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I didn't mean he's gonna change it. I mean no,
he can pick up steam, he can come back up
and pick up Steve. I think he can help.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I think he really He's gonna make Now Roger Stone,
get me Roger Stone. I want Roger Stone back on
the show.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Get me Roger not only getting him on the show,
but Roger Stone is the type of cat that you
want to ride or die with you Because that dude,
even though he told you know it is when he
was in court, but that full went to the you
know Russians and was like, hey guys, he went to
the Yeah, he went to the dirt and to find
me some dirt, dirt on this Hillary girl and do.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What you gotta do to help my boy wain.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But you know, the funny thing is about all these
police then.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
That's not what see.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
This is the funny part about all these political trials
of the last two years. Not one of them, I believe,
not one of them, Flynn Manift, and there's like twenty
other ones. None of them got imprisoned or went to
jail because of what they did.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was because they all lied about it. Look at
it wasn't about what they did did.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I talked to Wiki Wiki Leaks and they said they're
gonna dump those emails next week. I guess they had
some kind of proof whatever it was in court that stone,
you know that there was there to show the opposite
of what he said or whatever the whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
But it was all every one of them, it's been about.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Lying to Coin'd be a worse trouble if he admitted it.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
No, there'd be no trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He'd be no trouble if you just admitted otherwise.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
There would be charges for that. There were never charges for.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Any funny if these cats and most people just remind
you of kids, Let's get because.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There is trouble there.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
No, let's get a political though. Clinton, he did not.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He would trouble for getting his dicks.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He did not get correct. He got impeached for lying
about good said, yeah, ship man, it was one of
those night's. You know, she was looking good at a
cigar and some whiskey.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
She kept staring at me and grabbing my cigar, and
I just said, your mind put in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, you know, listen, listen.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Sometimes sometimes you know, people are just have the power
to get away with things or or and I'm not
saying he got away with anything.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Maybe he was completely falsely accused because.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
That happened and falsified. It happened, happen.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It happens more than a man, especially right now. And
look at look at Trump was was implemented in all
these these uh you know, implicated, implicated and all these
things as well, and was completely acquitted.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He was he was never charged, right, he was never well.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
He was being charged with rape to and all these
women as well, and they paid them all off.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And it's all under the rug as well. So there's
a lot of things that they could do about thinking
he just grab Yeah, that's all he likes. He admitted
to that. I mean, he admits to those things.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
He's not a liar about that, and that's why he didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Get in trouble for it, and the other ones he
just paid off to shut up. Well, this is really
about this is really about Rogerstone. Let's get in talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Rogers Stone and how he supports cannabis. And that's why
we're gonna get the time because he's a bit the
quarter of legalizing cannabis the United States and I hopefully
now that he's out, he can continue.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
And uh, how about this, Why don't you guys reach
out to him and shift will come on the show.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Since you loved you so much. This is BLUEOD get
me Roger Stone. I need Roger Stone here.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Reach out to him right now, Gerstone on the show,
and then for the meantime. Right now, we want you
guys to listen to this and his political standpoint on cannabis.
This is very important, guys, and make sure you understand
what this man is.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Go ahead, you're calling him right now? Wait does that
work here exactly?
Speaker 8 (15:35):
Ship?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Are you really trying to call hi him? Put it
on speaker? Okay, cool, let's see. Let's get see if
you gets a hold of him, we'll get to the
interview in a second. Hold on, babe, Hold on, listen, listen.
Oh he gave you a Google fuck a bullshit.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Voice, Roger, I think you need to give us a
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
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Speaker 8 (16:43):
Fantastic?
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Speaker 4 (16:46):
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What a wonderful place to be with all these flourishing
cannabis businesses coming up.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
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We have Roger Stone political strategies. How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Excellent? Glad to be with you.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Roger.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Let us know what are your views in the cannabis
space at this time.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
Well, I'm a conservative Republican film That means that I
think the individual should decide what they smoke, what they ingest,
who they marry, what they do in their own bedroom.
See the liberal view to me, that's when the big
government tells you you can't smoke, that you can't ingest that.
That's to me, that's authoritarianism. So I have been a
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forty year friend and supporter of Donald Trump. I first
urged him to run for president in nineteen eighty eight,
then again in two thousand, then again in twenty twelve,
and then finally was successful in twenty sixteen. And during
the campaign for president, candidate Trump was very fourthright about
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the fact that he supported states rights in the twenty
nine states that had legalized marijuana, and that if the
people in those states had decided that they wanted legal cannabis,
that that should be paramount, which I think won him
millions of votes, votes of younger I believe absolutely. I
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also think he also did incrementally better than say McCain
or Romney among African Americans. And you can say, if
you want, the difference between twelve percent and sixteen seems small,
but it was large enough to swing Wisconsin, was large
enough to swing Michigan, was large enough to swing Pennsylvania.
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So I think this has been a pivotal.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Issue for the president.
Speaker 10 (18:48):
Now what disturbs me is that Attorney General Jeff Sessions
and the Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, and the new
opioid drugs are Chris Christie seemed to be announcing a
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crackdown on legal marijuana, in complete contradiction of what the
President said in the campaign. And I don't think they're
serving the president. Well, I don't think this reflects his views.
If you go back over twenty years ago, in an
interview I think with Playboy magazine, Donald Trump says the
war on drugs is a big, expensive failure and legalization
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is the answer. So he knows how he knows the issue,
and I hope to persuade him working with others through
a nonprofit we announced here today called the United States
Cannabis Coalition, with a very very narrow agenda. There's a
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lot of pro cannabis organizations with a broader agenda, and
I support them and I salute them. We have one
narrow agenda. Convince the president. Urge the President to keep
his promise and protect legal cannabis in twenty nine states,
and then secondarily take the historic step that Barack Obama
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did not take and end the Schedule one classification of cannabis,
which as you know, prevents physicians from prescribing it.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Yes, that's where we are today.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
That's the fight that we face, and it's going to take,
in my opinion, a coalition of Republicans and Democrats, liberals
and conservatives, progressives and libertarians working together on this issue
where we have common ground, and we have got to
mobilize millions of people simply to remind the president and urge.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Him to keep his pledge.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Very well said, I mean, I think we're in that
state right now where everybody is feeling the same way,
and he put Sessions in play right.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And yeah, I don't know how that jives with states rights.
I mean, that's what I don't understand. If you're a
conservative Republican, how can you what are you trying to
legislate morals? The ones who don't want to they want
to deny the science. Sessions wants to deny the science
of marijuana, and.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
I don't think he doesn't even want to acknowledge the science. Look,
there's an inconsistency here. You can't say, well, when it
comes to transgender bathrooms, I'm for states rights. When it
comes to gay marriage, I'm for states rights. When it
comes to abortion, I'm for gates rights. Oh, cannabis. No,
we got to illegally, right, you gotta make that illegal
federal either.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I agree.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
There's an internal inconsistency here that the Attorney General seems
to be unaware of. And in all honesty, I have
no idea at this juncture whether the President has any
idea what Sessions is talking about in his name.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Is that seems to be problematic. How can he not know, Well,
he has a few other things on his mind. Well,
that's true, true, And again the.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Good news is that while the Attorney General has announced
his intention to do these things, he hasn't done them yet. Now,
we learned a couple of days ago that he wrote
a letter to the Congress asking essentially for permission to
prosecute people for possession in the states where cannabis has
been legalized. This is a slippery slope. This is turning
back the clock. And then we had the Homeland Security
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Secretary say in an incredible interview, marijuana is a gateway drug.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is this guy?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
What planet is this guy on? What century does he
live in?
Speaker 10 (22:48):
This has been disproven, just in terms of raw mathematics.
Millions of people smoke marijuana and therefore or use marijuana. Therefore,
if it's a gay way drug which leads to harder drugs,
where are the millions of heroin attics?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Right?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Where are the millions of cocaineatics? They don't exist.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
So this has been disproven, this kind of anti this
drug war rhetoric, that's false.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Well, we do have the caucus now, the marijuana Caucus,
so the cannabis caula direct comprised of Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
See, I think that's the fallback here, which is, if
God forbid, we are unsuccessful in convincing the President to
put a lid on Attorney general sessions, if there is
going to be a crackdown, well then the answer is
full legalization by the Congress. And I believe that the
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votes probably exist in the House today between liberal Democrats
and libertarian Republicans. The votes don't exist in the Senate today,
but that doesn't mean we couldn't find the votes. And
I tell you, guys, this is an industry that is
generating hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues for states
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and counties that would otherwise be bankrupt, and is creating
hundreds of thousands of jobs, all of which is consistent
with the President's plan to make America great again. So
this is a plus plus for the administration if they
will simply dispassionately look at the facts.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I think it's a real estate play in all.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I mean, you know, a four million dollar property turns
into a twelve million dollar property if it's in the
green zone in the city of Coasta Mesa, California. You know,
you're you're talking about Colorado's economy going through the rout
by the billions, pulling point four billion, pulling out cities
like Atlanto there's nowhere city and bankruptcy backwards by by
almost a couple million dollars and pulls them right out
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of it in the first year. I mean, it's obvious
that it's helping our economy. Well, I mean, at least.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
We did get the.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Rollbacker Luminaur Amendment to the spending bill. And I mean
Dana Rohbacher's been an ardent supporter, yes, and conservative Republican.
And that's what I argue with my conservative Republican friends,
is like, come on, like you said, States rights, but
not on this issue.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Come on.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
Yeah. The problem, of course is that you cannot talk
about conservatives monolithically anymore than you can talk about liberals monolithically.
We have economic conservatives, we have social conservatives, we have
foreign policy and defense conservatives, we have libertarian So maybe
the movement has been too successful. But I argue with
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some of my social conservative friends about marijuana, but there's
not much to argue about because the facts are all in.
This is a giant success in the twenty nine states
where it's been legalized. So in those states, opioid addiction down,
opioid deaths down, drug overdoses down, and armed robbery down,
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breaking and entering down, car theft down, all small petty
crimes down, the exact opposite of what they told us
would happen. There's not much to guess about here.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The facts are in.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
They would just read it, look at it, but they
don't seem to want to do that at the highest level.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Well, what can we as a community and as individuals,
what would you suggest people do to further the end
of getting in the president's ear and making him to
his claim.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
First of all, don't attack the president because he has
not yet said or done anything wrong so far. Everything
he said on this, everything he said on issue issue
I think is consistent with what the people here today think.
I think you have to remind him of his pledge
and just urge him to keep faith with the millions
of people who are getting medical benefits from cannabis today.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
How do we do that as an individual, Let's say, uh,
letting him know keep your promise.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Well, there's a lot of different ways.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
One you can obviously, you can contribute to the United
States Cannabis Coalition, because we're going to be buying both
broadcast television, cable television, digital advertising targeted at the district
of Columbia, targeted at our decision makers, particularly targeted at
the president. But also you can call two oh two
four five six one four one four and you can
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leave a message for the president and they're set up
to do that. And yeah, millions of people called that
number every day and told the President to keep his
pledge two one two A partly two zero two four
five six one four one four. There's a public comment
section there. White House operator will answer.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
That's another way. We're going to have a very broad.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Outreach to millions of people who support cannabis rights, and
we will have a dozen different ways. You can sign
a postcard to the president. You can sign a petition
to the president.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
This is about numbers.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Donald Trump is a guy who's not an ideologue. He's
a pragmatist. He's interested in results, He's interested in facts. Now,
I can't tell you that he's getting all the facts today.
It's up to us to make sure that he has
the facts. My forty year experience with him is that
when he has all the facts, he almost inevitably makes
the right decision. This is a no brainer, right, I mean,
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cannabis is not part of the problem. Cannabis is part
of the solution to making America great again.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Yes, well, put, well, put.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know you have such a great career. I've actually
I was thoroughly I watched Your Your Your Complete.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I started watching Your Your the next documentary, Yes, and
I ended.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Up watching the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I didn't intend on it, but I was so just
intrigued in what you've done in your career. I'm I
think you're I'm proud to be here next to you.
I respect what you've done. Uh, and I think that
there's not any other Roger Stone in the world, you know,
So congratulations on all of your successes and thank you
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dearly for being here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I truly knew that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And you know, if you ever need to get anything
out on radio from our point of view, we do
have a wide listenership.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
We would love to help support you on that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I appreciate being here, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I think that in politics and in life, tenacity and
persistence and resilience are important, and I intend to bring
those things to the fight for legal cabins.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
This is my major focus now.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
This I think is the thing I can do that
the most benefit official to the country. I got into
politics because of a set of beliefs, not because I
wanted a title, or I wanted to make an income,
or I wanted a job, or I wanted to meet
cool people.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Well I did want to meet girls. I did that,
but other than that.
Speaker 10 (30:14):
So to me, this is not only a fight about
personal freedom. But both my father and my grandfather died
of cancer. They both had to undergo chemotherapy and radiation.
Neither one of them could get any relief other than
with cannabis. And therefore I've lived this. It's why it's
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important to me, and I'm going to be out there
and I think that we need the support of everyone
I don't care if you and I disagree about Russia,
or war, or the Iraq war, or any of the
current issues.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
I want liberals and conservatives. I want left and right.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
I want progressives and liberty as here is an issue
on which.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We could all have common ground.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
The time is now.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
The United States Cannabis Coalition is going to take on
this narrow mission, and.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I appreciate the opportunity to be here. Many thanks, thank
you very much, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
One last question for you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Certainly the next three years, whereas cannabis is going to
be in their market, Well, it's pretty.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Clear to me that we are moving towards legalization in
fifty states.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
It will ultimately happen.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Then federal world law would be an anachronism. It would
be it would have no value and no use whatsoever.
This is very much like gay marriage. It's an idea
whose time has come. The opposition is falling away on
the basis of the facts. They can no longer dissemble
about what this means. All their projections of doom and
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disaster have been law have been disproven. The future belongs
to us.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Thank you for being on the show. This is Rogers
Stone ladies and gentlemen. We're talking to you guys, Cannabis
Talk one on one.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
We will be back.
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