October 6, 2025 • 50 mins
From the ‘Special Forces’ frontline, Jussie Smollett and Gia describe their highs and lows on the show. How they bonded over Teresa, what Jussie calls the “L” of the season, and why he says the physical challenges AREN’T the hardest part! Plus, what happened on the show that left Gia in tears!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week, I have a super exciting guest, one of
my Special Forces cast members, Jesse Smollette. Welcome to Casual.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chaos, my sister, How are you hi?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm so good.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How are you so happy to see you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Me too? I literally I even was just telling, like
my podcast producers and everything, whenever I talk to someone
from Special Forces, it just makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, me too, Me too.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We had such a good bond group.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Chat too, that's just ongoing. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I love it. And we we really did like come
out of there as a family, and it was so
nice seeing everyone in LA and I really hope we
all keep a close bond, which I think we will.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I think we will too. And it's crazy that because.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think, like when you do a production, it's usually lasts,
you know, at least longer than you know, a week
or so, and so it's just a different experience. But yeah,
the bonding that we I think it's because of the
we were with each other twenty four seven.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
There was no way to there was no way to
just get out of it, you know, and so so
I think that there was a little bit of trauma bonding,
but it's still.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think it was drama bonding.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, but you know what if that was the catalyst
to these amazing you know, new friendships and.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Soviet I mean truly and I talk about that all
the time. How our cast as a whole, every single
person was truly so amazing in their own way. And
the fact that we all kind of just meshed so well,
there was really no drama and we really Laura.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Kraft up here, I go off, go off, Yeah you kicked.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But it's funny because we all did kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
In a in our own ways, kind of fell into
the fell into line of like a family of like
even the places of a family.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And of course you were baby sister.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You know, let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But how are you good place to start?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
How did special Forces come to you? How is this
opportunity brought to you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It came two different times before this, So I think
I'm guessing that it was it was because it wasn't
season one, it was season.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two, okay, and then I think and I think season three.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, so they were recruiting Jesse.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted that interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bit that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Let me tell you something about that interrogation room, something
about it made me so vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But and then you leave. I remember I leave it
was either I think it was you who I was
just like I just want to push them in the face.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, yes, yeah, because you leave and.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You do feel you do feel so vulnerable in there,
and you feel you feel obligated to, in some weird
way obligated to share, you know, the truth with these
people and to talk to these people and bear yourself
like somehow like that's a part of the challenge almost,
(03:28):
And then you leave and you're like, why did I
give them that much, you know, at that time when
they don't even know me, you know. And so those
are the difficult things, and then that messes with your mond,
you know, further for the next challenge, and and it's
it's it's yeah, it's a whole mental I keep saying
(03:51):
that the physical part of it that was hard. Don't
get me wrong, that was really really difficult, but it
was the mental thing. It's the mental thing of like
losing your breath and not really knowing like what's happening,
and usually having control, usually having control of your body
and not really knowing for a quick second, like feeling
(04:15):
like you just don't have control over your body when
you're underneath that water.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
When you.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Know, accidentally take a gulp of the water or you're
trying to get out and you're like there's not enough space,
Like if I get stuck down here, I'm stuck down
here and it doesn't matter. You know, you're thinking back
to the contract that said, oh, they're not responsible for
injury or death, and I'm like, which I responsible for?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We signed our life? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean truly, And you're sitting there you're just like,
but why.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, because when you also think about it and we're
going into this interrogation room, ultimately, when we were together
as a cast, yes we bonded, we when we were
in the barrack and this and that, and yes, you
kind of get to know us during the physical challenges,
but during that interrogation room is really where you get
(05:09):
to kind of let out your truth.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So that's where it's difficult because you know, even looking
back on first episode, I thought they did a great
job demonstrating Johnny Manzel's story. He took ownership, he took
accountability and what happened, and he you know, also spoke that, yes,
I have regret, like I wish I would have lived
out my NFL legacy, you know, I would have.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wish I.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Would have lived that era of my life out. So
it really is your opportunity to kind of explain your story.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It is, and then it also is double sided because
there's also an edit. Of course, it's not like this
is a live a live scene.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And that's why I said in our group chat, though,
like he got a good cut, Like I loved the
way that they kind of portrayed that for him, you know,
but it was real life, like that really was his story.
But I thought he got such a kind of such
a nice intro to what who he was.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
What hapens with us? Even though this is after of course.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But it's interesting because what I've experienced so far is
some of the stuff is so.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Funny, Like I posted that dagone thing of your mom.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Know, and why does your mom use the little baby words?
Like why does she say if anybody's gotta go poopy?
I'm like, it's so extra funny.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well that's how she talked to us. Our entire lives
like I've never so it's all good. Yep. She would
never say like our private part, like the actual word,
Like I even feel funny saying it like she's chuck
Alina Bye.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I love Theresa. You have no idea that woman was
such to me. Was such a breath of fresh air. Yeah,
you know what I mean that she was. But she's
so ooh ooh protector ooh, protector mama bear mama, Yes, yes,
but yeah, going back to the uh, what I've experienced
(07:23):
also is people don't really and keep in mind, this
is my first time ever doing unscripted.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, so were you You had to have been a
little nervous.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh my god, you're kidding.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Absolutely, I'm always nervous when I'm going into something. And
I know the reason, the real reason behind why they
want me there. You know, it's not it doesn't matter
how many accolades I have, how many accomplishments I have.
I knew why essentially, like why they were asking me
(08:00):
that moment in my life and when they started asking
me why I was being asked.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And you know, so it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But what I realized is is that people don't people
like the viewers don't realize that our sit down interviews
were done before any of this happened. So when it's
edited in things like and I'm not complaining because it's
a show, right, But what I'm saying is is that
when it's edited and it's like something bad happens in
(08:32):
our physical challenge, and then they go back to you
saying something like, yeah, I don't like being disrespected. You know,
people did da da da, And then it feels like,
oh my god, he said he was being disrespected because
they yelled there. No, no, it's me.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
That is true. And I don't think I've said that
on Casual Chaos yet. But when we got to Morocco,
we had a couple of days where we kind of
did everything leading up to the show that the network
could have on the back end, like our confessions, like
our promo shoot, so you know, even for us girls,
they're like, oh, these girls are done up in hair
and makeup for in their army suits, like listen, it
(09:09):
was the promo shoot. Then when we got to the
base camp, it was real, raw and everything.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
All the above things out of context can make can
represent certain things in a different way than it actually
factually is.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
No, of course. I mean you could kind of feel
that emotion from you in the first episode, and I
guess I don't know what I was doing, but I
didn't catch that when Cody kind of, you know, it
was it was in a discreet way, but he he
asked you your first and last name, which you know,
again it's your first time meeting you know, it was
(09:47):
our first time, I pretty much my first time meeting
everyone besides Brianna, and I was just like, that's not
a friendly introduction like that obviously is going to make
you you feel a certain way.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I went into it with my dukes further up than
they needed to be, so it and I can absolutely
say that honestly, so in the times that maybe if
I would have gone up with my duke's not up
at all, something like that possibly would have bothered me.
(10:28):
But and it did, but it didn't too. But I
was prepared, i should say, because the day before that
I had started seeing everybody around you know, the grand right,
And so even though like we weren't supposed to talk,
we weren't supposed to do anything like that, we were
all pretty much paired up like you were paired up
(10:49):
with your mom, and you know, the East and the
you know what I mean, like they were all they were.
They were pretty much everybody had like a crew, you know.
Even was my dog like my rod dog, right and so,
and she was the person that I knew, didn't know,
(11:11):
but I knew like in pastor you know, like you
see people at events and you're just like, hey, I
love your new project. Hey, congratulations, you know you're doing great,
keep it going, and you and and and they say
the exact same thing to you. It was that type
of friendship type, not friendship, that type of relationship. And
then but I knew she was cool. So but she
had kind of filled me in and told me who
(11:34):
people were, and so I googled them.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I googled them before I put in my phone. I googled.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Research, you know what I mean, I did some of
my research. And so I went in and I was like, all, so,
who's going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The the one? You know?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I thought that it was going to be Cody,
and I didn't see I didn't get that from him.
That's the thing, that's the thing that I respect about
the man is that I didn't get that from him,
and I've been saying that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Then I saw the clip and I saw.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That the MOFO said about second chance, and then I
want to be like, well hold up now, mofo, hold
up man.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, so for nothing though, he was kind of and listen,
I said this about Cody too. He really was like
probably the most fit out of all of us. Like
he he was a trooper, and I think.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
He knew early early on that he was doing this,
and yeah, he definitely prepped for this.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
He went in on this. Yeah, he killed it, and
he had you know, he had moments where I was like, Okay,
this guy is really trying to grow and he's trying
to you know, he's trying to reinvent himself as well
and just you know, do better. And he explained that
to us as well in the barracks as well. Okay,
(12:54):
you know I was a polygamist. Now I'm trying to
be a monogamist and only be with my one person.
And he explained that there were certain things that he
did in his life later he did, Oh I didn't
know that, Yeah he did. There's a clip of him
explaining to my mom, like I was a polygamist, and
(13:16):
she was like, Oh, I don't think she really.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Unders I love her. I just love going on.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This past weekend, my dad did a celebrity boxing match
with it Antonio Sobato Junior, who he went through. He
went through some stuff in Hollywood and he wanted to
do this celebrity boxing match to kind of have a
comeback back into the light and the media and kind
of do something for himself. So I just feel like
everyone deserves a second chance, and there's no room to
(13:53):
judge because everyone messes up in their life or or
something or something can be twisted or perceived the wrong way.
So that's why like everyone deserves a second chance because
everyone everyone has a story, and everyone has an opportunity,
and everyone should have an opportunity to be able to
(14:13):
come back into a light that they.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Enjoy and to be able to move on from past
perceptions or misconceptions, or to break out of those those
those shackles, those things that hold you back, those things
that are sitting on your shoulder that every single time
just is back on and you're trying to you're trying,
(14:38):
you're trying to get it off.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That also comes with growth, and I keep saying like
growth does not mean age, Like wisdom does not come
with age. Wisdom comes with growth. Yeah, wisdom comes with
doing the work. Wisdom comes with understanding yourself. Wisdom comes
with not looking through not looking through the eyes of
other people when looking at yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's so easy to do that, especially in this day
and age.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's so easy to do that because we live in
a fast food nation right where everything is so fast
and it's just happening at all at once, all at once.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
There's too much I won't say there's too much information,
but there's too much.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
There's too many narratives out there about one thing, and
it messes up facts. Yeah, and unfortunately, every single thing
somehow gets edited. It doesn't matter whether it is the truth.
It doesn't matter whether it is a video, It doesn't
matter whether it is whether it's a TV show like,
(15:39):
it just gets edited.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And which is why you have to know yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You have to know who you are and know what
your intentions are so that you don't start just digesting
all of that stuff and looking at yourself the way
that other people may look at you or may not
look at you, because usually you usually people will.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Have one of two ideas.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They'll think that you are the most incredible person, the
most perfect person on the face of the planet, like
next to the Savior. And then or they will think
that you are the worst, most corrupt human being on
the face of the planet.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And guess what.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Both sides are wrong. Yeah, both sides are wrong. So
it's about knowing who you are and trying to find
that out as early as possible so that you're not
stuck in the kind of the cycle that feeds itself
of the this craziness.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
No, for sure, And I felt like, you know, everyone
had a story in our coast, and I.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Know everybody's story, though, Gia, like, what is everybody's story?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Like I did everybody? Like did every single person go
into the interrogation room? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I want to say for the most part, Okay, yeah,
I want to say. I want to say, for the most.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Part here everybody's story. I have not seen the show.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Watch it? Are you kidding? I am like ecstatic for
the next episode to come out. You gotta watch it,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I definitely won't be watching Stop.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
What Is Wrong because it's and we're going to dive
into this second episode because the viewers need to the
viewers need to see that it's funny.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The clips are so funny, and I just want to
live with that, you know what I mean, Like, I
just want to live with the joy and even though
it was hard, but I want to live with the
fun that we had on that damn show. Like it
was so fun being with y'all crazy, crazy people. You
know that we all had different stories, We all had
different you know, tragedies and traumas and triumphs and all
(17:48):
of the tea's that you can think of, you know
what I mean, And but we were we were united
by our.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Similarities.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We were united that we had the mission and the
same and we were not competing against each other, which
is such a cool thing about the show. You know,
I will say whatever I want to say about the show,
Like if I don't like the edit and I see
some stuff and somebody has I'm gonna say about it,
like I can't, you know. But at the same time,
it doesn't take away the fact that when we were there,
(18:18):
we had an amazing time.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And so when I see funny things, I'm like, yes, yes,
this is the time.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
That's the experience that I had, you know, of growth
and and I had never been of clearer mind.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's so and I mean I also feel like like
we were saying, everyone has this story, but we also,
I think a lot of us we try to move
on from our past and from what's out there. Like
I know, my mom says it all the time, like
she goes, yes, I went to prison, but that doesn't
(18:55):
define me. And you know, and unfortunately, going on shows
like this or when there's stuff in the media, they
always want to bring up that bad time in your life. Sure,
and that's what, Yes, we understand it, but also as
individuals and as human beings, we also want to move
(19:18):
on from that. Like being the daughter of obviously Teresa
and Joe Judice, it comes with a lot of haters
because people love hate in the middle, like you know,
but no one will take away the fact that like
my mother is like she's she's a goat, like she
no one will take that away from her or as.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
A mom or exactly or like when you meet that woman,
how genuinely kind she is, Like she's genuinely kind in
her eyes. You can just tell it when she hugs you.
It doesn't feel like she has any ulterior motive. She
actually looks at you when she talks to you. She
feels like she really genuinely, like when she asks how
are you, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Feel like she's doing like how you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like she's genuinely asking, hen,
how are you doing? Like very much a family person and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So she has such a gentle soul, and like that's
what I hope. Like also people take away from her
own special forces take away from all of us. But
you know, even for me, it was it's difficult how
a lot of my hate comments are really not even
about me. They're about my family and the situation that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Really I'm really but I'm sorry that that happens, because
I understand that. I get it. I get it, I
get it, I get it. We're going on a show,
right and we're you know, public figures. I hate the
term celebrity because it just feels like but but public figures.
And so there's certain things that come with that. But
(20:52):
it doesn't make it any easier that that is a
part of that, that's like a part of the the
the job description, because a part of being a human
being is supposed to actually be It sounds corny, but
it's supposed to actually be being kind to one another,
and so I really do and and listen, you are
(21:14):
a young woman who has so much life and so
much just light in you and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I hate that, you know, I hate that for you
and genuinely like you don't it's gonna continue. But at
the same time, you know, I just really, you know,
for me, like you don't deserve that. Nobody deserves that.
Some people might deserve that, but you don't deserve that.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, I know, and you know, and it's okay, It's
a part of life. But what specially, like the show
really did teach me to, you know, face my fears,
overcome them and kind of just.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Let go like surrender.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Sometimes yeah, it's just not worth it. So as much
as sometimes things could be aggravating and you know, things
can be misjob and you know that that's not what
things really are, it kind of just taught me like
it's okay. But I'm also happy that everyone is shown
in their own light and really as an individual. But
(22:13):
I want to get into day two because this day
was really difficult for you, and I'm difficult and I
can't believe you didn't watch it. But it's fine. I'm
just gonna fill you in. So this was the aircraft Day.
This is when you were in that aircraft day and
(22:33):
you actually attempted this challenge twice.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Get out my face gear. You had to say all
of that. You could have just you could have just
scared by that. But I mean, we all sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I was so embarrassed, y'all. And I acknowledge that. I
accept that. Yo, that's my l that is.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But you're crazy. You did it. You did it. You
just for whatever reason, kept going out the wrong exit
like you had. You had something, we had the airway
like you. You held your breath for twenty seconds. You
did everything right, and I think that's what was probably
so frustrating for you, because the hard part was to
hold your breath and I was and you did it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But I'm gonna be real. I'm gonna be real. It is.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It is a study in being overconfident in one thing
can lead you to be destructive in something else. Yeah,
and to mess up in something else because I was
confident about holding.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Isn't like I'm a sin a breath control all? Come now,
what do you mean, darling? Of course I get to
do this. I was over there and I don't know
if they go there. I don't know if they showed this,
but it's like I'm literally looking at.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
My watch like counting it, and I'm like, yo, even
do like thirty cent kids, and I could do like
a mini in and twelve, well, however many I could do?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Like then we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
There's no way, like we got this. I was not
thinking about the door the first time. The second time, geyeah,
I had a choreogram. I said window, window door, window,
window door, window, window door, window, window door. So there's
two windows, then there's a door, Then there's two windows,
then there's the door that you're supposed to get out of.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So this time I'm not messing this up. I got this.
Me and my girl big Ce, like we got this.
She had it and I didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, And why do you think that the same mistake
happened over and over again? And you you were rough,
you were hard on yourself that like that really that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Really no why?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But yeah you want to know why because it wasn't
so it wasn't about losing. It was about someone else
losing because of me.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, do you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Understand it was not about them doing so well, and
they were the ones that were scared, like what yeah, no, no, no,
I got this, I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm good. I know. Such a humbling experience, and that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was rough when we had to do things together as
pairs because you didn't want to let your partner down.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You didn't want to let your partner down. You just
didn't and you could see how proud. Oh it broke
my heart when Eva was so proud that she did
it but she lost I know, and I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And how was that for you? Because you, I mean,
my mom and I went after you guys. So obviously
for us watching that happen to you guys, that was
not easy for us to watch and then go up
and do it. But for you, you did it again
after watching Eva literally almost die.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
But check this out. That's a complicated situations, right, because.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I would have been like, I'm never going back and though.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
This is a complicated situation, and this is what I
don't know if they caught on camera when when Foxy
was like that, Christy didn't have she didn't have a
a partner.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, she didn't have she was going to go in
there alone.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I think something happened that I had told Chanelle
because Chanelle felt bad and she wanted to go again.
And it was like, oh, well, something I don't remember.
I don't remember exactly how it happened.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Nobody was raising their hand. I think maybe Robby did,
I'm not sure. But then Foxy looks over at me.
I had not raised my hand yet. I had not
raised my hand yet. He looked at me, and he
looked at me like and I felt the pressure. He
said nothing he gave. He did not tell me to
(27:03):
do that, but he looked at me, and I was like,
am I supposed to? Is he gonna call?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So I slightly? I mean like this like that, and
he's like sixty and I'm like damn yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And after we were done, she told me, She's like,
you help me conquer my fear. But I'm so sorry,
says I didn't help you win, I helped you lose,
and but all jokes aside, like I felt really bad
about that. I felt really really bad. I do not
take losing art, but I do take I do take
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making someone lose hard. You see what I mean, Like,
if I've done the best that I can and you know,
but that was not the best that I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Could and I just couldn't open my eyes under that water.
I just couldn't it. It was disgusting.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
So I really thought I can make this work and
not opened my eyes because I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But if this was a real situation, we have goggles.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, No, we were in a plane crash.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But if you're in a plane and you're in the
you're in the military, whatn' you have on goggles if
you're in the plane? Think about that. I don't know,
so somebody answered in the comments, Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I don't know, but it was. The scenario was that
we got into a plane crash and the plane literally
chopped in half and we were sinking, Like I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The thing is is that if I got out, if
I got out, then that means that I'm out.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So why it was the door thing was a little
it was a little.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Unnecessary made it and then Eva passed out and I
started to go to her, and then they were like,
oh and they went to they bolted to.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Her, you know, So I mean, and it was crazy
because we learned this when we were at press in
LA that she was really out like she was.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Out pressed, had passed out, and thank.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
God that Rudy saw her hair in that water, because
things could have been really bad.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
She literally went under. Yeah, that was real. That was real.
So like the.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Show, they the ds thought that the show was about
to end right then and there in that moment, and
that we weren't going to continue because.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Everything would have been fine.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But yeah, like, where did you see them like resuscitate her.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I don't know if it was like resuscitation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Was it like CPR.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, they didn't give her like mouth to mouth.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They pulled her and I'm not sure I know that
they pulled her in because I was watching. I was
watching hanging on the boat as they were pulling her
in and then but her body was limp and then
what happened, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You probably blocked out, I mean it was it was terrified.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I don't remember a lot of the actual moments
of being inside.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Of the challenge.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, you know, the only thing that I really remember
is right, is the feeling right before jumping out of
the plane and the feeling right before going underneath that
water because I kind of the first time I kind.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Of swallowed a gulp of water by.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Accident, and I don't know if they got that on camera,
but it's like I kind of swallowed a gulp of
water and that made me freak out, So that already
had my mind like, wait, what's happening. But yeah, needless
to say that that definitely was the toughest day for me,
Tougher than tougher than the other day days that are coming.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So and then following that, we had the fight. The
fighting that day.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that pissed me off.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That made me mad because I felt like, why did
y'all stop us so soon?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You know, like Robbie wanted to fight. I wanted to fight,
and I.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Feel like, but at least you guys were still allowed
to fight. Jesse Decker because of her carporal tunnel and
her wrist, she was pissed that she couldn't fight, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
They stopped us so soon, and I'm like, y'all made
us look like little woosses.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't know how it's gonna be edited together again,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's a great show, you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, Well that was that was h you know, probably
the worst day ever for me mentally.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Because you had to do your that was.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The this was the day my mom left.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Oh shoot, that's right.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And it was so tough for you out of nowhere,
Like it was nuts. We were in the cars. We
were in the cars on our way to go fight,
and you know, when we were stacked in those cars,
there was at least three or four of us in
each vehicle this specific challenge, it was just me and
my mom in this car. I don't know how that happened.
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I don't know how in what way. I was like, okay, whatever,
but it's me and my mom and she's like just
talking about normal things that we had talked about this
entire time. She was like all right, you know Gea,
like whenever I decide to go home, like do you
want me to wait for you here in Morocco? Or
like do you want me to just head back? And
I was like, ma, what are you gonna do here?
(32:52):
Just go home, don't stay here, like no worries, Like
I love you, like whatever you decide. But she wasn't.
She didn't tell me that she was gonna do it
right then and there. Like I was like, okay, we're
just having conversation, Like she's just like asking at whatever
point in time if she choose me, were you.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
On your way to the boxing things? So she probably
already knew that that was going to be too difficult
for her to see you doing. And then she waited
and she saw other people do it, and she knew
at that moment, nah, I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yes, So she probably had this in her head. Yeah,
she didn't want to tell me like, okay, I'm gonna leave,
right And so then when we got there, And also
again something that I kept telling my mom throughout the course.
And I don't know if this is something that is
going to be perceived the right way, but throughout the course,
I kept telling her, these are things that you're never
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going to do in your life. These are also things
that are once in a lifetime. But this course is
made to break you. So take this opportunity to just
let things go. Let go of your anger, just let
go of the past and just live in the present.
Like just stop being angry, don't be angry about the
(34:04):
past anymore. Just move on. And because she's you know
she's she does she holds resentment on what happened with
our legal situation, and I get it. I hold that
resentment and that's totally okay, and.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I spoke to you enough to let you know that
I hold resentment as well.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But at the same time, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think that letting it go happens after you're done
with the show.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I think because everything about the show is meant to
be in your face about your public stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It's not so much about like who are you in
your deep, deep core as you're in your soul. It's
really about this is what the public perceives you as,
and here's your chance to work that off.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yep. So then when she got asked to go fight,
that's when she looked at me and she goes, you're
telling me to let go of anger. How can I
sit here and show you that violence and fighting is okay?
And that's when that's when she walked off, and I
(35:23):
was like, what just happened. I had no idea that
it was going that she was going to do that.
I had no idea that that was going to happen.
So now I'm bawling. I'm like, what is going on?
And then they go eighteen, you're fighting Christy because that's
who my mom was supposed to fight. And I was like,
(35:45):
I'm gonna she's gonna beat it out of me right now,
like this is gonna be horrible.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Like I was like, this is what I'm telling you, though, girl,
you are Laura Croft like you are a beast.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But I was that was the challenge where even Rubbie
said it, Rubbie goes Gia. You would cry and do
the challenges at the same time.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Absolutely, that was the challenge.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'm a capricorn, okay, I thought she was a Gemini.
Oh my dad's a Gemini.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I'm like, be somebody's butt and then but you could
cry about it too.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, no, my dad's a Gemini, full full through gemini.
But yeah no, but that was that was rough for
me too. That day screwed me up.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I feel like that day was really tough on you know,
you meet you Eva like we went. We went through
it that day.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He did You and I have have the interrogation room
on the same day.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
They pulled me in twice, but they did pull me
in when my mom left, So that was day two.
I think they did pulled me in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You in day to day.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yep, they did, and you know you definitely you definitely
had some emotions towards it too, and I did too,
because I mean I just went in there and I
was just bawling. I was like, I want my mom back,
Just give me my mom back.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So sad it was.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It just it's so funny because it I mean, it's
not funny, but it's it's strange that it feels so
traumatic and it's such a short period of time and
it's not and it's done for entertainment.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's what's so weird. It's like, that's what that's that
to me is.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
The most fascinating thing about unscripted is the fact that
in this small amount of time, people are expected to
be vulnerable, work it out, and heal all in that
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amount of time and it's just unscripted.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Like the main I think the main takeaway is like
conflict resolution. Like it's just that, that's it. You have
like such an impressive background. You know, you're an actor, director, songwriter, producer, singer,
(38:31):
Like you have such an artistic mind, Like did any
of those skills translate into special forces? Like did your
creative mindset help you through these challenges? Or was it hard?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
No, it was definitely hard because I had just never
experienced anything like this before, and to me, this wasn't
I had to step back and kind of look at
it as art, if you will, so that I could
fully dive into it, because if I didn't, then because
I love.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Reality TV, bro, like I love reality TV, and.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But things that you loved, you don't necessarily want that
turned on you. You know, it's very you really do forget
that the cameras.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Are there, and we really did because they had spots everywhere,
like every corner, but we really didn't have cameramen unless
we were in the challenges.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But on base they were everywhere, and.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Those cameras were amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I saw the clip when I walked out of the
barracks and I'm talking to Eva and it's like I'm
talking about what happened with Cody. Those cameras are far,
but it is so clear. It is so and I
did not think I didn't think that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I didn't think that they could really hear that.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I knew that they could hear things, but I thought somehow,
like if I talk low, they can't really you know,
they're not going to use this. I really thought there
was a lot of There were a lot of times
when I was like, oh, well, they're not going to
use this because it's like why, it's just it's just
us talking like whatever, I gotta say this right now,
(40:25):
you know, things like that, and they're like, yep, that's
the thing they use.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, because it was so real. It was so in
the moment, but it was in the moment, like storytelling
is such a big part of what you do, Like
did you find yourself kind of looking at this experience
as part of your own story.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Not a part of my own story, but just well,
here's the thing to be completely real. When I first
walked into it, I walked into it as a gig,
you know what I mean, like, let's let's keep it real.
I walked into it as it's a gig. And so
here we go, and it's.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I mean initially, yes, like we all like we all
walked in. Okay, we're getting we're being paid. This is
a job.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's a job.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
It's a job, and so I'm going to bust my
hand and I'm gonna, you know, do the very best
that I can do, because that's what the job is.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
The job is to kick You don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It certainly didn't want to go there and and fail.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I didn't want to go there and.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Be one of the first ones out, you know what.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I mean, Like you want to it becomes a pride
anybody that is you know, had to go. But none
of us wanted to. I don't think any of us
went in with the intention of, oh, we're going to
be here for a little bit of time and then
we're gonna bounce, like no, because what would be the
sense of even doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Because then it really does become a pride thing. You're
doing it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh my god, absolutely absolute.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
And now I think that there's a difference between it
being a pride thing and an ego thing, and I
think that ego gets in the way sometimes. For me,
it was it was difficult talking to two men about
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such personal things and and then them kind of acting
like they didn't know, and you know that they're bull
crapping you, because yes, you do. You mean, you had
a whole portfolio on us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And but even on previous seasons come they show them
googling stuff and oh maybe initially they didn't actually know
who we were, because I mean, they don't seem like
the type I believe that they don't seem like the
type of guys to like, I don't know, maybe watch
reality TV. Maybe maybe the NFL players they knew who knows,
who knows, But I they did show in past seasons
(43:01):
that they they know your background, they look you up.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, and also like we had done, we had done
the the interview prior to starting the actual show, so
we also knew what they what those producers had asked us.
So yeah, we knew. Here's the thing. I didn't go
into it blindly. I knew what to expect, But that
doesn't mean that once I was there with what I expected,
(43:26):
it wasn't still difficult. That's really all it is. So
I don't regret doing it. Never do it again, But
I don't regret doing it. It was still a wonderful experience,
and it was also difficult, and the airing of it
is has been really fun to promote and see y'all
(43:49):
and everything like that, and you know, but yeah, I'm
also I'm also I'm also deep in promoting the album.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So it's kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Inspire you in any way?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Did this inspire my music?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
No, No, the album was because.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Only because the album was done the album was done
before we had already we had always set to do
it in uh in September. We wanted to do it
like right at fall, so it was perfect that like
Special Forces came out on FID and the album came
out on the thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
So I mean, I just feel like, you know, that
public experience that you went through, it was so extremely
difficult for you, and I could just I could just
tell when I met you at on Special Forces and
just talking to you, and I tell everyone, I go,
I love him, I go, I love He's just he's awesome.
(44:48):
And you you really felt that genuine connection between you,
know you, and like you said, like just when you're
talking to you, you feel you feel the emotion, like
you feel like the realness in you share that I know,
like so serious and but like that experience, how has
that shaped you and the way that you see yourself today?
(45:09):
Because after listening to your album, I just felt like
it just described you, Like it was that smooth jazz
like inspirational music and I loved it.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
It was a vibe like it was such a vibe.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Appreciate it, appreciated.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like when I when I was listening to the album,
I was like, this is Jessie, Like I wouldn't know
just the vibe, the beat, the tempo. I was like,
I couldn't have imagined this album of would have been
like done any other way, Like it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Thank you very much. No, we really wanted to thank
you for saying that. We just really wanted to make
a timeless, timeless album. I didn't want to make an
album that I thought was expected of me, which I
feel like people thought that it was going to be. Oh,
I don't know what people thought, but I did, but
me once again thinking ahead of me, having preconceived notions
(46:08):
about what the possibly possibility of other people's preconceived notions
could be. I did not want to make an album
that was about an incident or was about an experience,
but instead make an album that was about what happens
on the other side of that, what happens when you
when you do and I don't know if you, I
(46:31):
don't know if you ever really let it go, especially
when something I think that maybe when something happens to
you that is rather transformative and kind of change, the
changes the trajectory of your entire life. I think that
when something like that happens that's why I can so
identify with what you were saying about your mom. But
(46:54):
something like that happens when you are already at a
certain age. Just hear me out about that, and you're
already It doesn't mean that it's any more difficult than
when it happens to a young person. But when it
happens to you, when you're already a certain age, when
your life is pretty much built, you know, and all
(47:15):
that you've worked for, is you kind of do have
a chip on your shoulder. Yeah, that's just real. You
kind of do have a chip on your shoulder. And
I don't know if that chip goes away. I just
think you find cool, fashionable ways to cover it, you
(47:39):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
It just gets there.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
It's there, and so but you also want to experience joy.
You want to laugh and smile and love and do
all these things and want to live life. And that's
probably one of the biggest fears is that you're afraid
that you'll never feel like yourself again. But you do,
and you feel like you feel like a better version
(48:04):
of yourself because you've been through literally you are cooked,
you roasted, you've been through the fire, and so what
else could be done, what else could be said?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Did that change your perspective though on fame and the public? Right?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Absolutely? Absolutely, first of all, but.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Were you were you nervous to I mean obviously about
special Forces now having this album out like we are,
you were Each step that you have taken to just
grow yourself and excel, they were probably all scary.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Of course they are. They were, they are they will
always be, you know. But at the same time, you
can't stay inside forever, and I was. I was, you know,
there were months here that I wouldn't go outside.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Jesse. This was such an episode. Thank you so much.
I love you, I love you and everyone make sure
to check out Jesse's new album. Where can they find it?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Breakout?
Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's out everywhere streaming platforms, iTunes, we'll be having vinyls,
so all of the good things all.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
On Spotify, that's right, on.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Apple Music, on title whatever, whatever place carries music. They
got it. TikTok. I don't know what y'all kids are
doing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Maybe I should make a viral dance to it.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I think you need to do that. You pick your
song and you send it to me and we're gonna
make it go up up up up.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Do it, Miss Gia, I will.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
We should just do it, like do something with casual
chaos to come on and put something with this new
song for the album. But love you so much guys.
Remember Special Forces World's Toughest Test is out now every
Thursday at nine eighth Central on Fox and the next
day on Hulu. All right until next week, Love you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Bye, Understand still and stand
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week, I have a super exciting guest, one of
my Special Forces cast members, Jesse Smollette. Welcome to Casual.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chaos, my sister, How are you hi?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm so good.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How are you so happy to see you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Me too? I literally I even was just telling, like
my podcast producers and everything, whenever I talk to someone
from Special Forces, it just makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, me too, Me too.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We had such a good bond group.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Chat too, that's just ongoing. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I love it. And we we really did like come
out of there as a family, and it was so
nice seeing everyone in LA and I really hope we
all keep a close bond, which I think we will.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I think we will too. And it's crazy that because.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think, like when you do a production, it's usually lasts,
you know, at least longer than you know, a week
or so, and so it's just a different experience. But yeah,
the bonding that we I think it's because of the
we were with each other twenty four seven.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
There was no way to there was no way to
just get out of it, you know, and so so
I think that there was a little bit of trauma bonding,
but it's still.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think it was drama bonding.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, but you know what if that was the catalyst
to these amazing you know, new friendships and.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Soviet I mean truly and I talk about that all
the time. How our cast as a whole, every single
person was truly so amazing in their own way. And
the fact that we all kind of just meshed so well,
there was really no drama and we really Laura.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Kraft up here, I go off, go off, Yeah you kicked.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But it's funny because we all did kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
In a in our own ways, kind of fell into
the fell into line of like a family of like
even the places of a family.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And of course you were baby sister.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You know, let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But how are you good place to start?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
How did special Forces come to you? How is this
opportunity brought to you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It came two different times before this, So I think
I'm guessing that it was it was because it wasn't
season one, it was season.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two, okay, and then I think and I think season three.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, so they were recruiting Jesse.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted that interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bit that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Let me tell you something about that interrogation room, something
about it made me so vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But and then you leave. I remember I leave it
was either I think it was you who I was
just like I just want to push them in the face.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, yes, yeah, because you leave and.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You do feel you do feel so vulnerable in there,
and you feel you feel obligated to, in some weird
way obligated to share, you know, the truth with these
people and to talk to these people and bear yourself
like somehow like that's a part of the challenge almost,
(03:28):
And then you leave and you're like, why did I
give them that much, you know, at that time when
they don't even know me, you know. And so those
are the difficult things, and then that messes with your mond,
you know, further for the next challenge, and and it's
it's it's yeah, it's a whole mental I keep saying
(03:51):
that the physical part of it that was hard. Don't
get me wrong, that was really really difficult, but it
was the mental thing. It's the mental thing of like
losing your breath and not really knowing like what's happening,
and usually having control, usually having control of your body
and not really knowing for a quick second, like feeling
(04:15):
like you just don't have control over your body when
you're underneath that water.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
When you.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Know, accidentally take a gulp of the water or you're
trying to get out and you're like there's not enough space,
Like if I get stuck down here, I'm stuck down
here and it doesn't matter. You know, you're thinking back
to the contract that said, oh, they're not responsible for
injury or death, and I'm like, which I responsible for?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We signed our life? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean truly, And you're sitting there you're just like,
but why.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, because when you also think about it and we're
going into this interrogation room, ultimately, when we were together
as a cast, yes we bonded, we when we were
in the barrack and this and that, and yes, you
kind of get to know us during the physical challenges,
but during that interrogation room is really where you get
(05:09):
to kind of let out your truth.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So that's where it's difficult because you know, even looking
back on first episode, I thought they did a great
job demonstrating Johnny Manzel's story. He took ownership, he took
accountability and what happened, and he you know, also spoke that, yes,
I have regret, like I wish I would have lived
out my NFL legacy, you know, I would have.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wish I.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Would have lived that era of my life out. So
it really is your opportunity to kind of explain your story.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It is, and then it also is double sided because
there's also an edit. Of course, it's not like this
is a live a live scene.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And that's why I said in our group chat, though,
like he got a good cut, Like I loved the
way that they kind of portrayed that for him, you know,
but it was real life, like that really was his story.
But I thought he got such a kind of such
a nice intro to what who he was.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
What hapens with us? Even though this is after of course.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But it's interesting because what I've experienced so far is
some of the stuff is so.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Funny, Like I posted that dagone thing of your mom.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Know, and why does your mom use the little baby words?
Like why does she say if anybody's gotta go poopy?
I'm like, it's so extra funny.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well that's how she talked to us. Our entire lives
like I've never so it's all good. Yep. She would
never say like our private part, like the actual word,
Like I even feel funny saying it like she's chuck
Alina Bye.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I love Theresa. You have no idea that woman was
such to me. Was such a breath of fresh air. Yeah,
you know what I mean that she was. But she's
so ooh ooh protector ooh, protector mama bear mama, Yes, yes,
but yeah, going back to the uh, what I've experienced
(07:23):
also is people don't really and keep in mind, this
is my first time ever doing unscripted.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, so were you You had to have been a
little nervous.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh my god, you're kidding.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Absolutely, I'm always nervous when I'm going into something. And
I know the reason, the real reason behind why they
want me there. You know, it's not it doesn't matter
how many accolades I have, how many accomplishments I have.
I knew why essentially, like why they were asking me
(08:00):
that moment in my life and when they started asking
me why I was being asked.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And you know, so it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But what I realized is is that people don't people
like the viewers don't realize that our sit down interviews
were done before any of this happened. So when it's
edited in things like and I'm not complaining because it's
a show, right, But what I'm saying is is that
when it's edited and it's like something bad happens in
(08:32):
our physical challenge, and then they go back to you
saying something like, yeah, I don't like being disrespected. You know,
people did da da da, And then it feels like,
oh my god, he said he was being disrespected because
they yelled there. No, no, it's me.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
That is true. And I don't think I've said that
on Casual Chaos yet. But when we got to Morocco,
we had a couple of days where we kind of
did everything leading up to the show that the network
could have on the back end, like our confessions, like
our promo shoot, so you know, even for us girls,
they're like, oh, these girls are done up in hair
and makeup for in their army suits, like listen, it
(09:09):
was the promo shoot. Then when we got to the
base camp, it was real, raw and everything.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
All the above things out of context can make can
represent certain things in a different way than it actually
factually is.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
No, of course. I mean you could kind of feel
that emotion from you in the first episode, and I
guess I don't know what I was doing, but I
didn't catch that when Cody kind of, you know, it
was it was in a discreet way, but he he
asked you your first and last name, which you know,
again it's your first time meeting you know, it was
(09:47):
our first time, I pretty much my first time meeting
everyone besides Brianna, and I was just like, that's not
a friendly introduction like that obviously is going to make
you you feel a certain way.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I went into it with my dukes further up than
they needed to be, so it and I can absolutely
say that honestly, so in the times that maybe if
I would have gone up with my duke's not up
at all, something like that possibly would have bothered me.
(10:28):
But and it did, but it didn't too. But I
was prepared, i should say, because the day before that
I had started seeing everybody around you know, the grand right,
And so even though like we weren't supposed to talk,
we weren't supposed to do anything like that, we were
all pretty much paired up like you were paired up
(10:49):
with your mom, and you know, the East and the
you know what I mean, like they were all they were.
They were pretty much everybody had like a crew, you know.
Even was my dog like my rod dog, right and so,
and she was the person that I knew, didn't know,
(11:11):
but I knew like in pastor you know, like you
see people at events and you're just like, hey, I
love your new project. Hey, congratulations, you know you're doing great,
keep it going, and you and and and they say
the exact same thing to you. It was that type
of friendship type, not friendship, that type of relationship. And
then but I knew she was cool. So but she
had kind of filled me in and told me who
(11:34):
people were, and so I googled them.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I googled them before I put in my phone. I googled.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Research, you know what I mean, I did some of
my research. And so I went in and I was like, all, so,
who's going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The the one? You know?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I thought that it was going to be Cody,
and I didn't see I didn't get that from him.
That's the thing, that's the thing that I respect about
the man is that I didn't get that from him,
and I've been saying that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Then I saw the clip and I saw.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That the MOFO said about second chance, and then I
want to be like, well hold up now, mofo, hold
up man.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, so for nothing though, he was kind of and listen,
I said this about Cody too. He really was like
probably the most fit out of all of us. Like
he he was a trooper, and I think.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
He knew early early on that he was doing this,
and yeah, he definitely prepped for this.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
He went in on this. Yeah, he killed it, and
he had you know, he had moments where I was like, Okay,
this guy is really trying to grow and he's trying
to you know, he's trying to reinvent himself as well
and just you know, do better. And he explained that
to us as well in the barracks as well. Okay,
(12:54):
you know I was a polygamist. Now I'm trying to
be a monogamist and only be with my one person.
And he explained that there were certain things that he
did in his life later he did, Oh I didn't
know that, Yeah he did. There's a clip of him
explaining to my mom, like I was a polygamist, and
(13:16):
she was like, Oh, I don't think she really.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Unders I love her. I just love going on.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This past weekend, my dad did a celebrity boxing match
with it Antonio Sobato Junior, who he went through. He
went through some stuff in Hollywood and he wanted to
do this celebrity boxing match to kind of have a
comeback back into the light and the media and kind
of do something for himself. So I just feel like
everyone deserves a second chance, and there's no room to
(13:53):
judge because everyone messes up in their life or or
something or something can be twisted or perceived the wrong way.
So that's why like everyone deserves a second chance because
everyone everyone has a story, and everyone has an opportunity,
and everyone should have an opportunity to be able to
(14:13):
come back into a light that they.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Enjoy and to be able to move on from past
perceptions or misconceptions, or to break out of those those
those shackles, those things that hold you back, those things
that are sitting on your shoulder that every single time
just is back on and you're trying to you're trying,
(14:38):
you're trying to get it off.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That also comes with growth, and I keep saying like
growth does not mean age, Like wisdom does not come
with age. Wisdom comes with growth. Yeah, wisdom comes with
doing the work. Wisdom comes with understanding yourself. Wisdom comes
with not looking through not looking through the eyes of
other people when looking at yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's so easy to do that, especially in this day
and age.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's so easy to do that because we live in
a fast food nation right where everything is so fast
and it's just happening at all at once, all at once.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
There's too much I won't say there's too much information,
but there's too much.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
There's too many narratives out there about one thing, and
it messes up facts. Yeah, and unfortunately, every single thing
somehow gets edited. It doesn't matter whether it is the truth.
It doesn't matter whether it is a video, It doesn't
matter whether it is whether it's a TV show like,
(15:39):
it just gets edited.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And which is why you have to know yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You have to know who you are and know what
your intentions are so that you don't start just digesting
all of that stuff and looking at yourself the way
that other people may look at you or may not
look at you, because usually you usually people will.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Have one of two ideas.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They'll think that you are the most incredible person, the
most perfect person on the face of the planet, like
next to the Savior. And then or they will think
that you are the worst, most corrupt human being on
the face of the planet.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And guess what.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Both sides are wrong. Yeah, both sides are wrong. So
it's about knowing who you are and trying to find
that out as early as possible so that you're not
stuck in the kind of the cycle that feeds itself
of the this craziness.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
No, for sure, And I felt like, you know, everyone
had a story in our coast, and I.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Know everybody's story, though, Gia, like, what is everybody's story?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Like I did everybody? Like did every single person go
into the interrogation room? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I want to say for the most part, Okay, yeah,
I want to say. I want to say, for the most.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Part here everybody's story. I have not seen the show.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Watch it? Are you kidding? I am like ecstatic for
the next episode to come out. You gotta watch it,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I definitely won't be watching Stop.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
What Is Wrong because it's and we're going to dive
into this second episode because the viewers need to the
viewers need to see that it's funny.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The clips are so funny, and I just want to
live with that, you know what I mean, Like, I
just want to live with the joy and even though
it was hard, but I want to live with the
fun that we had on that damn show. Like it
was so fun being with y'all crazy, crazy people. You
know that we all had different stories, We all had
different you know, tragedies and traumas and triumphs and all
(17:48):
of the tea's that you can think of, you know
what I mean, And but we were we were united
by our.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Similarities.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We were united that we had the mission and the
same and we were not competing against each other, which
is such a cool thing about the show. You know,
I will say whatever I want to say about the show,
Like if I don't like the edit and I see
some stuff and somebody has I'm gonna say about it,
like I can't, you know. But at the same time,
it doesn't take away the fact that when we were there,
(18:18):
we had an amazing time.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And so when I see funny things, I'm like, yes, yes,
this is the time.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
That's the experience that I had, you know, of growth
and and I had never been of clearer mind.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's so and I mean I also feel like like
we were saying, everyone has this story, but we also,
I think a lot of us we try to move
on from our past and from what's out there. Like
I know, my mom says it all the time, like
she goes, yes, I went to prison, but that doesn't
(18:55):
define me. And you know, and unfortunately, going on shows
like this or when there's stuff in the media, they
always want to bring up that bad time in your life. Sure,
and that's what, Yes, we understand it, but also as
individuals and as human beings, we also want to move
(19:18):
on from that. Like being the daughter of obviously Teresa
and Joe Judice, it comes with a lot of haters
because people love hate in the middle, like you know,
but no one will take away the fact that like
my mother is like she's she's a goat, like she
no one will take that away from her or as.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
A mom or exactly or like when you meet that woman,
how genuinely kind she is, Like she's genuinely kind in
her eyes. You can just tell it when she hugs you.
It doesn't feel like she has any ulterior motive. She
actually looks at you when she talks to you. She
feels like she really genuinely, like when she asks how
are you, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Feel like she's doing like how you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like she's genuinely asking, hen,
how are you doing? Like very much a family person and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So she has such a gentle soul, and like that's
what I hope. Like also people take away from her
own special forces take away from all of us. But
you know, even for me, it was it's difficult how
a lot of my hate comments are really not even
about me. They're about my family and the situation that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Really I'm really but I'm sorry that that happens, because
I understand that. I get it. I get it, I
get it, I get it. We're going on a show,
right and we're you know, public figures. I hate the
term celebrity because it just feels like but but public figures.
And so there's certain things that come with that. But
(20:52):
it doesn't make it any easier that that is a
part of that, that's like a part of the the
the job description, because a part of being a human
being is supposed to actually be It sounds corny, but
it's supposed to actually be being kind to one another,
and so I really do and and listen, you are
(21:14):
a young woman who has so much life and so
much just light in you and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I hate that, you know, I hate that for you
and genuinely like you don't it's gonna continue. But at
the same time, you know, I just really, you know,
for me, like you don't deserve that. Nobody deserves that.
Some people might deserve that, but you don't deserve that.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, I know, and you know, and it's okay, It's
a part of life. But what specially, like the show
really did teach me to, you know, face my fears,
overcome them and kind of just.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Let go like surrender.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Sometimes yeah, it's just not worth it. So as much
as sometimes things could be aggravating and you know, things
can be misjob and you know that that's not what
things really are, it kind of just taught me like
it's okay. But I'm also happy that everyone is shown
in their own light and really as an individual. But
(22:13):
I want to get into day two because this day
was really difficult for you, and I'm difficult and I
can't believe you didn't watch it. But it's fine. I'm
just gonna fill you in. So this was the aircraft Day.
This is when you were in that aircraft day and
(22:33):
you actually attempted this challenge twice.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Get out my face gear. You had to say all
of that. You could have just you could have just
scared by that. But I mean, we all sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I was so embarrassed, y'all. And I acknowledge that. I
accept that. Yo, that's my l that is.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But you're crazy. You did it. You did it. You
just for whatever reason, kept going out the wrong exit
like you had. You had something, we had the airway
like you. You held your breath for twenty seconds. You
did everything right, and I think that's what was probably
so frustrating for you, because the hard part was to
hold your breath and I was and you did it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But I'm gonna be real. I'm gonna be real. It is.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It is a study in being overconfident in one thing
can lead you to be destructive in something else. Yeah,
and to mess up in something else because I was
confident about holding.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Isn't like I'm a sin a breath control all? Come now,
what do you mean, darling? Of course I get to
do this. I was over there and I don't know
if they go there. I don't know if they showed this,
but it's like I'm literally looking at.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
My watch like counting it, and I'm like, yo, even
do like thirty cent kids, and I could do like
a mini in and twelve, well, however many I could do?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Like then we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
There's no way, like we got this. I was not
thinking about the door the first time. The second time, geyeah,
I had a choreogram. I said window, window door, window,
window door, window, window door, window, window door. So there's
two windows, then there's a door, Then there's two windows,
then there's the door that you're supposed to get out of.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So this time I'm not messing this up. I got this.
Me and my girl big Ce, like we got this.
She had it and I didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, And why do you think that the same mistake
happened over and over again? And you you were rough,
you were hard on yourself that like that really that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Really no why?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But yeah you want to know why because it wasn't
so it wasn't about losing. It was about someone else
losing because of me.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, do you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Understand it was not about them doing so well, and
they were the ones that were scared, like what yeah, no, no, no,
I got this, I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm good. I know. Such a humbling experience, and that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was rough when we had to do things together as
pairs because you didn't want to let your partner down.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You didn't want to let your partner down. You just
didn't and you could see how proud. Oh it broke
my heart when Eva was so proud that she did
it but she lost I know, and I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And how was that for you? Because you, I mean,
my mom and I went after you guys. So obviously
for us watching that happen to you guys, that was
not easy for us to watch and then go up
and do it. But for you, you did it again
after watching Eva literally almost die.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
But check this out. That's a complicated situations, right, because.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I would have been like, I'm never going back and though.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
This is a complicated situation, and this is what I
don't know if they caught on camera when when Foxy
was like that, Christy didn't have she didn't have a
a partner.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, she didn't have she was going to go in
there alone.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I think something happened that I had told Chanelle
because Chanelle felt bad and she wanted to go again.
And it was like, oh, well, something I don't remember.
I don't remember exactly how it happened.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Nobody was raising their hand. I think maybe Robby did,
I'm not sure. But then Foxy looks over at me.
I had not raised my hand yet. I had not
raised my hand yet. He looked at me, and he
looked at me like and I felt the pressure. He
said nothing he gave. He did not tell me to
(27:03):
do that, but he looked at me, and I was like,
am I supposed to? Is he gonna call?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So I slightly? I mean like this like that, and
he's like sixty and I'm like damn yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And after we were done, she told me, She's like,
you help me conquer my fear. But I'm so sorry,
says I didn't help you win, I helped you lose,
and but all jokes aside, like I felt really bad
about that. I felt really really bad. I do not
take losing art, but I do take I do take
(27:46):
making someone lose hard. You see what I mean, Like,
if I've done the best that I can and you know,
but that was not the best that I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Could and I just couldn't open my eyes under that water.
I just couldn't it. It was disgusting.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
So I really thought I can make this work and
not opened my eyes because I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But if this was a real situation, we have goggles.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, No, we were in a plane crash.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But if you're in a plane and you're in the
you're in the military, whatn' you have on goggles if
you're in the plane? Think about that. I don't know,
so somebody answered in the comments, Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I don't know, but it was. The scenario was that
we got into a plane crash and the plane literally
chopped in half and we were sinking, Like I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The thing is is that if I got out, if
I got out, then that means that I'm out.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So why it was the door thing was a little
it was a little.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Unnecessary made it and then Eva passed out and I
started to go to her, and then they were like,
oh and they went to they bolted to.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Her, you know, So I mean, and it was crazy
because we learned this when we were at press in
LA that she was really out like she was.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Out pressed, had passed out, and thank.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
God that Rudy saw her hair in that water, because
things could have been really bad.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
She literally went under. Yeah, that was real. That was real.
So like the.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Show, they the ds thought that the show was about
to end right then and there in that moment, and
that we weren't going to continue because.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Everything would have been fine.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But yeah, like, where did you see them like resuscitate her.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I don't know if it was like resuscitation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Was it like CPR.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, they didn't give her like mouth to mouth.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They pulled her and I'm not sure I know that
they pulled her in because I was watching. I was
watching hanging on the boat as they were pulling her
in and then but her body was limp and then
what happened, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You probably blocked out, I mean it was it was terrified.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I don't remember a lot of the actual moments
of being inside.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Of the challenge.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, you know, the only thing that I really remember
is right, is the feeling right before jumping out of
the plane and the feeling right before going underneath that
water because I kind of the first time I kind.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Of swallowed a gulp of water by.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Accident, and I don't know if they got that on camera,
but it's like I kind of swallowed a gulp of
water and that made me freak out, So that already
had my mind like, wait, what's happening. But yeah, needless
to say that that definitely was the toughest day for me,
Tougher than tougher than the other day days that are coming.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So and then following that, we had the fight. The
fighting that day.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that pissed me off.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That made me mad because I felt like, why did
y'all stop us so soon?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You know, like Robbie wanted to fight. I wanted to fight,
and I.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Feel like, but at least you guys were still allowed
to fight. Jesse Decker because of her carporal tunnel and
her wrist, she was pissed that she couldn't fight, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
They stopped us so soon, and I'm like, y'all made
us look like little woosses.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't know how it's gonna be edited together again,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's a great show, you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, Well that was that was h you know, probably
the worst day ever for me mentally.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Because you had to do your that was.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The this was the day my mom left.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Oh shoot, that's right.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And it was so tough for you out of nowhere,
Like it was nuts. We were in the cars. We
were in the cars on our way to go fight,
and you know, when we were stacked in those cars,
there was at least three or four of us in
each vehicle this specific challenge, it was just me and
my mom in this car. I don't know how that happened.
(32:29):
I don't know how in what way. I was like, okay, whatever,
but it's me and my mom and she's like just
talking about normal things that we had talked about this
entire time. She was like all right, you know Gea,
like whenever I decide to go home, like do you
want me to wait for you here in Morocco? Or
like do you want me to just head back? And
I was like, ma, what are you gonna do here?
(32:52):
Just go home, don't stay here, like no worries, Like
I love you, like whatever you decide. But she wasn't.
She didn't tell me that she was gonna do it
right then and there. Like I was like, okay, we're
just having conversation, Like she's just like asking at whatever
point in time if she choose me, were you.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
On your way to the boxing things? So she probably
already knew that that was going to be too difficult
for her to see you doing. And then she waited
and she saw other people do it, and she knew
at that moment, nah, I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yes, So she probably had this in her head. Yeah,
she didn't want to tell me like, okay, I'm gonna leave,
right And so then when we got there, And also
again something that I kept telling my mom throughout the course.
And I don't know if this is something that is
going to be perceived the right way, but throughout the course,
I kept telling her, these are things that you're never
(33:43):
going to do in your life. These are also things
that are once in a lifetime. But this course is
made to break you. So take this opportunity to just
let things go. Let go of your anger, just let
go of the past and just live in the present.
Like just stop being angry, don't be angry about the
(34:04):
past anymore. Just move on. And because she's you know
she's she does she holds resentment on what happened with
our legal situation, and I get it. I hold that
resentment and that's totally okay, and.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I spoke to you enough to let you know that
I hold resentment as well.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But at the same time, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think that letting it go happens after you're done
with the show.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I think because everything about the show is meant to
be in your face about your public stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It's not so much about like who are you in
your deep, deep core as you're in your soul. It's
really about this is what the public perceives you as,
and here's your chance to work that off.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yep. So then when she got asked to go fight,
that's when she looked at me and she goes, you're
telling me to let go of anger. How can I
sit here and show you that violence and fighting is okay?
And that's when that's when she walked off, and I
(35:23):
was like, what just happened. I had no idea that
it was going that she was going to do that.
I had no idea that that was going to happen.
So now I'm bawling. I'm like, what is going on?
And then they go eighteen, you're fighting Christy because that's
who my mom was supposed to fight. And I was like,
(35:45):
I'm gonna she's gonna beat it out of me right now,
like this is gonna be horrible.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Like I was like, this is what I'm telling you, though, girl,
you are Laura Croft like you are a beast.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But I was that was the challenge where even Rubbie
said it, Rubbie goes Gia. You would cry and do
the challenges at the same time.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Absolutely, that was the challenge.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'm a capricorn, okay, I thought she was a Gemini.
Oh my dad's a Gemini.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I'm like, be somebody's butt and then but you could
cry about it too.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, no, my dad's a Gemini, full full through gemini.
But yeah no, but that was that was rough for
me too. That day screwed me up.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I feel like that day was really tough on you know,
you meet you Eva like we went. We went through
it that day.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He did You and I have have the interrogation room
on the same day.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
They pulled me in twice, but they did pull me
in when my mom left, So that was day two.
I think they did pulled me in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You in day to day.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yep, they did, and you know you definitely you definitely
had some emotions towards it too, and I did too,
because I mean I just went in there and I
was just bawling. I was like, I want my mom back,
Just give me my mom back.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So sad it was.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It just it's so funny because it I mean, it's
not funny, but it's it's strange that it feels so
traumatic and it's such a short period of time and
it's not and it's done for entertainment.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's what's so weird. It's like, that's what that's that
to me is.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
The most fascinating thing about unscripted is the fact that
in this small amount of time, people are expected to
be vulnerable, work it out, and heal all in that
(38:04):
amount of time and it's just unscripted.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Like the main I think the main takeaway is like
conflict resolution. Like it's just that, that's it. You have
like such an impressive background. You know, you're an actor, director, songwriter, producer, singer,
(38:31):
Like you have such an artistic mind, Like did any
of those skills translate into special forces? Like did your
creative mindset help you through these challenges? Or was it hard?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
No, it was definitely hard because I had just never
experienced anything like this before, and to me, this wasn't
I had to step back and kind of look at
it as art, if you will, so that I could
fully dive into it, because if I didn't, then because
I love.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Reality TV, bro, like I love reality TV, and.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But things that you loved, you don't necessarily want that
turned on you. You know, it's very you really do forget
that the cameras.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Are there, and we really did because they had spots everywhere,
like every corner, but we really didn't have cameramen unless
we were in the challenges.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But on base they were everywhere, and.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Those cameras were amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I saw the clip when I walked out of the
barracks and I'm talking to Eva and it's like I'm
talking about what happened with Cody. Those cameras are far,
but it is so clear. It is so and I
did not think I didn't think that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I didn't think that they could really hear that.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I knew that they could hear things, but I thought somehow,
like if I talk low, they can't really you know,
they're not going to use this. I really thought there
was a lot of There were a lot of times
when I was like, oh, well, they're not going to
use this because it's like why, it's just it's just
us talking like whatever, I gotta say this right now,
(40:25):
you know, things like that, and they're like, yep, that's
the thing they use.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, because it was so real. It was so in
the moment, but it was in the moment, like storytelling
is such a big part of what you do, Like
did you find yourself kind of looking at this experience
as part of your own story.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Not a part of my own story, but just well,
here's the thing to be completely real. When I first
walked into it, I walked into it as a gig,
you know what I mean, like, let's let's keep it real.
I walked into it as it's a gig. And so
here we go, and it's.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I mean initially, yes, like we all like we all
walked in. Okay, we're getting we're being paid. This is
a job.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's a job.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
It's a job, and so I'm going to bust my
hand and I'm gonna, you know, do the very best
that I can do, because that's what the job is.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
The job is to kick You don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It certainly didn't want to go there and and fail.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I didn't want to go there and.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Be one of the first ones out, you know what.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I mean, Like you want to it becomes a pride
anybody that is you know, had to go. But none
of us wanted to. I don't think any of us
went in with the intention of, oh, we're going to
be here for a little bit of time and then
we're gonna bounce, like no, because what would be the
sense of even doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Because then it really does become a pride thing. You're
doing it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh my god, absolutely absolute.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
And now I think that there's a difference between it
being a pride thing and an ego thing, and I
think that ego gets in the way sometimes. For me,
it was it was difficult talking to two men about
(42:21):
such personal things and and then them kind of acting
like they didn't know, and you know that they're bull
crapping you, because yes, you do. You mean, you had
a whole portfolio on us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And but even on previous seasons come they show them
googling stuff and oh maybe initially they didn't actually know
who we were, because I mean, they don't seem like
the type I believe that they don't seem like the
type of guys to like, I don't know, maybe watch
reality TV. Maybe maybe the NFL players they knew who knows,
who knows, But I they did show in past seasons
(43:01):
that they they know your background, they look you up.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, and also like we had done, we had done
the the interview prior to starting the actual show, so
we also knew what they what those producers had asked us.
So yeah, we knew. Here's the thing. I didn't go
into it blindly. I knew what to expect, But that
doesn't mean that once I was there with what I expected,
(43:26):
it wasn't still difficult. That's really all it is. So
I don't regret doing it. Never do it again, But
I don't regret doing it. It was still a wonderful experience,
and it was also difficult, and the airing of it
is has been really fun to promote and see y'all
(43:49):
and everything like that, and you know, but yeah, I'm
also I'm also I'm also deep in promoting the album.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So it's kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Inspire you in any way?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Did this inspire my music?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
No, No, the album was because.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Only because the album was done the album was done
before we had already we had always set to do
it in uh in September. We wanted to do it
like right at fall, so it was perfect that like
Special Forces came out on FID and the album came
out on the thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
So I mean, I just feel like, you know, that
public experience that you went through, it was so extremely
difficult for you, and I could just I could just
tell when I met you at on Special Forces and
just talking to you, and I tell everyone, I go,
I love him, I go, I love He's just he's awesome.
(44:48):
And you you really felt that genuine connection between you,
know you, and like you said, like just when you're
talking to you, you feel you feel the emotion, like
you feel like the realness in you share that I know,
like so serious and but like that experience, how has
that shaped you and the way that you see yourself today?
(45:09):
Because after listening to your album, I just felt like
it just described you, Like it was that smooth jazz
like inspirational music and I loved it.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
It was a vibe like it was such a vibe.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Appreciate it, appreciated.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like when I when I was listening to the album,
I was like, this is Jessie, Like I wouldn't know
just the vibe, the beat, the tempo. I was like,
I couldn't have imagined this album of would have been
like done any other way, Like it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Thank you very much. No, we really wanted to thank
you for saying that. We just really wanted to make
a timeless, timeless album. I didn't want to make an
album that I thought was expected of me, which I
feel like people thought that it was going to be. Oh,
I don't know what people thought, but I did, but
me once again thinking ahead of me, having preconceived notions
(46:08):
about what the possibly possibility of other people's preconceived notions
could be. I did not want to make an album
that was about an incident or was about an experience,
but instead make an album that was about what happens
on the other side of that, what happens when you
when you do and I don't know if you, I
(46:31):
don't know if you ever really let it go, especially
when something I think that maybe when something happens to
you that is rather transformative and kind of change, the
changes the trajectory of your entire life. I think that
when something like that happens that's why I can so
identify with what you were saying about your mom. But
(46:54):
something like that happens when you are already at a
certain age. Just hear me out about that, and you're
already It doesn't mean that it's any more difficult than
when it happens to a young person. But when it
happens to you, when you're already a certain age, when
your life is pretty much built, you know, and all
(47:15):
that you've worked for, is you kind of do have
a chip on your shoulder. Yeah, that's just real. You
kind of do have a chip on your shoulder. And
I don't know if that chip goes away. I just
think you find cool, fashionable ways to cover it, you
(47:39):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
It just gets there.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
It's there, and so but you also want to experience joy.
You want to laugh and smile and love and do
all these things and want to live life. And that's
probably one of the biggest fears is that you're afraid
that you'll never feel like yourself again. But you do,
and you feel like you feel like a better version
(48:04):
of yourself because you've been through literally you are cooked,
you roasted, you've been through the fire, and so what
else could be done, what else could be said?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Did that change your perspective though on fame and the public? Right?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Absolutely? Absolutely, first of all, but.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Were you were you nervous to I mean obviously about
special Forces now having this album out like we are,
you were Each step that you have taken to just
grow yourself and excel, they were probably all scary.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Of course they are. They were, they are they will
always be, you know. But at the same time, you
can't stay inside forever, and I was. I was, you know,
there were months here that I wouldn't go outside.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Jesse. This was such an episode. Thank you so much.
I love you, I love you and everyone make sure
to check out Jesse's new album. Where can they find it?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Breakout?
Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's out everywhere streaming platforms, iTunes, we'll be having vinyls,
so all of the good things all.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
On Spotify, that's right, on.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Apple Music, on title whatever, whatever place carries music. They
got it. TikTok. I don't know what y'all kids are
doing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Maybe I should make a viral dance to it.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I think you need to do that. You pick your
song and you send it to me and we're gonna
make it go up up up up.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Do it, Miss Gia, I will.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
We should just do it, like do something with casual
chaos to come on and put something with this new
song for the album. But love you so much guys.
Remember Special Forces World's Toughest Test is out now every
Thursday at nine eighth Central on Fox and the next
day on Hulu. All right until next week, Love you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Bye, Understand still and stand
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