December 27, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent and Jennifer Fessler.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is Dirty Rush, and this is a special.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Episode that's producers only, so we're really taking you behind
the scenes, behind the scenes, behind the scenes where the
producers are coming on because people are about to go
through rush again. It seems like we just started the
whole rush process and now it's time.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
For winter rush. Is that what you guys would call it? Winter?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Winter rush? Second semester rush, Spring rush is.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Coming, spring rush, spring rush.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, we had spring rush, but I think some people,
some schools do do it at the beginning of the
next quarter.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
People are still getting cobs.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So what we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Do is get all the producers on to talk about
the things.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Obviously, the producers of the show, we're all in the
Greek system, so we want to talk about things we
wish we.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Knew before Rush started. And we have one of our.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Other iHeart producers who actually was not in the Greek
system to ask the questions that she would want to
know before going through rush. So why don't we start
just one or two tidbits from everybody about something you
wish you knew before you went through Rush. So I
don't want to reveal any of our producers' names because
the thing about this show that's different from others is
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that we do feel comfortable to really reveal things and
to be super honest because we don't always say who
we are. So why don't we just go around the
group and say a couple things that you wish you
knew before Rush started. I've been thinking about this a lot,
and for me, I actually think less is more. You
don't want to know too much, or I think you
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would really get in your head about it. I think
the main thing that I would say is best advice
I could give. Know as many people as you can
that are in the Greek system, which is super hard
for people that are going to schools far away, random
schools or schools where they don't know anybody. But I
think your biggest advantage is having people that you know
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that are in the sororities already. Two is my other advice,
and I know this sounds, I don't know, very trite
or very obvious. Be nice, Be nice, be nice to everybody.
Be nice, and even once you get into the sorority.
Be nice to everybody else. Talking to a friend last
night who many many years later, and we'll do this
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on a different episode.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's just be nice.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Be nice, even to the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Mean girl, be nice to the scary senior, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Just be nice. So that's my best advice. And now
over to you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Okay, Well, I rush a really long time ago, but
I would say not as.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Long as you wait. How many years ago? Twenty?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm thirty, I'm thirty years ago? Are you twenty?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I'm not quite twenty? Oh my gosh, how long ago
was it?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I can't even remember twenty two thousand and nine, whenever
that was.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
We're coming up on twenty.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I guess No.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Some things I wish I would have known and done
before RUSH is one kind of research that houses and.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
A little bit of their history and.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Also just kind of what to expect during Rush.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I went in very blind and was very overwhelmed by
so much of the chanting and singing and that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh like it kind of like it kind of creeped
you out a little bit.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yes, I very much so.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Was encouraged to rush for my sister, who was in
a sorority. However, I didn't know a lot of things
about sororities. It was kind of like, Okay, this is
a fun way to meet some friends, So if that's you,
I would just suggest maybe doing a little little research
into what to expect during rush and a little bit
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about the houses.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The other thing I wish.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I did differently during Rush was I did not base
the house off one single person I talked to later
on after I joined my house.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
I'm very happy with the house I joined.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
However, so many of my friends ended up being in
the first house I dropped, and it was because I
was so overwhelmed by the personality of the first person
I spoke.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
She was just very not me.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
She was like a very high pitched voice, very energetic,
and a lot of the girls are right, this is
Rush weeks, so that happens a lot, but this girl
just completely turned me off, and I dropped the house
first day, and then later on in the to the semester,
most of my friends ended up being from that.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
House, which is oh wow. So I would just say,
don't judge off the first person.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I thought of a good analogy when you were talking
about how overwhelming it is the best example I can
give is you're in a restaurant and it's when everyone
comes out with the cake and sings happy birthday to you.
That is sort of the feeling of a lot of
rush where you're like, oh my god, I have to
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just smile here they're like singing at me, or they're
you know, so excited and you're like ugh. So you
kind of do have to prepare yourself for sort of
like a lot of a happy birthday song moment.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Sorry, can I jump in here, the resident non sorority person.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, we'll call you. We'll call you, Professor H.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Professor H. I have a question about singing. So you
said that there's a lot of songs. You guys, once
you get in dy'll sit around and have music practice.
Do you get the song sent to? How do you
learn the songs once you join?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
There is like a whole rush prep going into it
when you are in the house that you will learn
those songs. You will clap at the right time you
need to clap.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
You will. It's a it's a process. It's like a
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Oh, you guys should do a whole episode.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
We should do a whole episode just on the songs
because so Hannah and I were in the same sorority
at different schools, so we also have the same songs.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I don't know if that trips out, Professor h Well, I.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Kind of figured that every house probably has their own songs.
But I also want to know, like how secretive are
these songs? Are we talking? It's like those secret handshakes
you guys talk about, where like other people can't hear
you practicing the lyrics to these songs. I guess my
other thing is I went to cheer tryouts right in
high school. I'm assuming this is maybe a little bit
kind of similar where I had to go through a
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process for ten days and I had to learn cheers
and I had to learn dance routines. But then I
had to audition with those Yeah, at a point where
you have to sing for somebody to show and prove
that you know these no, not really okay shaking their
head no.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
To that question.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah. Only I think if you want to be like
a if you want to be like.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A soloist like I was Barry Manilow on the Kappa
Cabana Day, and so I think I had to it.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Well, this isn't like American idol or something like an audition.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I had to sing.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We had a copa cabana version, but it was called
Kappa Kappa Gamma, and so I had to sing. So
I think somebody must have wanted to make sure I
could sing. This sounds like a nightmare. Sorry, really embarrassing.
I'm not like Ariana Grande or anything. I think you
can you can get by with just like a mediocre voice,
even to do a solo. But like anyway, I want
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to go to everybody else for the things that they
wish they knew. But the singing is a whole episode.
Please make note we should do a whole episode because
there's songs you have to sing on meeting night to
like get in the door. But anyway, we'll talk about
that later.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
So I would say one thing that I wouldn't necess
sssarily recommend doing is you know, you go into college.
I had a lot of my high school friends that
went to the same college as me, and we rushed
all at the same time, and I feel like we
kind of influenced each other, like ooh, I really like
that house, and I like that house, but I don't
like this one as much. And I feel like you
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really need to be like individual in the sense where
it's like, Okay, my friend might not like that house,
but we don't have to be in the same house.
Like we can still be friends and be in separate sororities.
So it's easy to kind of get caught up and like, ooh,
this is what my friend likes, and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I have a weird question on that, like to pretend
it was like percentages or like you know, a pie,
how many of your friends were in your sorority versus
other sororities. I think I'm like seventy five percent in mine,
twenty five percent others, But you guys weigh in.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I would say the same.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
I would honestly even say my school was a little
bit smaller, so we had like I want to say,
maybe like four five sororities to choose from, So I'd say, yeah,
mine was like eighty twenty and it ended up working out,
like totally don't regret it at all, But I wonder
if my friends and I stayed a little separate, if
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we maybe would have chosen like different houses from each other.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Wow, oh interesting, Yeah, so you kind of ended up
going to the same house because you did influence each other.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
And I feel like too, like I rushed probably like
I think nine years ago, eight or nine years ago,
so I like I remember we would like stalk their
instagrams and be like, ooh, like this house looks so
cool and the girls look so fun and like blah
blah blah. So we definitely did a lot of Instagram
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research beforehand that I think also, like going into it,
we kind of knew which houses we thought were cool.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think kind of along the same lines of cutting
out the noise beforehand, whether it's your friends, whether it's
social media, it is such an individual experience, and I
think it's really important to just make sure that a
you're listening to your intuition versus other people's opinions, or
what house is a top house and what house is
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not considered as quote unquote cool, and kind of tuning
out a lot of that noise because it can impact
your decision so much what you think others will think
is cool, but really it's all about you and ending
up in the place that's the most aligned. And I
also think that just like going in as your most
authentic self is always, at the end of the day,
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going to be the most important thing to do, and
it's easy to lose sight of that when there's so
much comparison going on, or other people in your ear
telling you what where they think you would fit in
or where they're going and why they're doing what they're doing.
So I think that really just tuning into yourself is
going to be the most important thing to do. Because
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I rushed twice. The first time I rushed, it did
not go very well, and when I look back on
that time, it was there were a lot of components
that went into it, but I think a huge part
of it is I felt like I had to be
acting a certain way or hitting certain marks in my conversation,
and I was just trying to control the narrative too
much rather than letting the process happen. And when I
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went into rush the second time, it went very well
for me, and I ended up in the house that
was most aligned for me because I was just simply
being myself. So I think kind of getting out of
your head in any preconceived notions, like leaving them at
the door, is really important.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
That was kind of one of my questions. I wanted
to ask about the ability to rush twice. So you're
saying you can do that. Are there any parameters that
are put on the second time, Like you can't go
back to certain houses in rush again, Like what happens
when you go up that can.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Tame pledge a house? Tell me my good, that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If you pledge a house and you sign the card
and then you decide you don't like it, I think
you can't rush again for a year or something like that.
If you get initiated, you can never rush a different house.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, that's correct. So if I were to have taken
a bid from a house, but it gets a few
it takes a few months to get initiated, and I
took that bid, and then I was like, uh, never mind.
Then I could go through rush again, but I couldn't
take a bid from that house again.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You can't take a bid from the same house twice.
I think I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't think you can correct me if I'm wrong
to anybody else, But at least.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
I think that was allowed.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think if you go through rush, you get a
bid and you decide to drop out or not accept
the bid, I think you can't go through RUSH for
a year, like you couldn't get a COB from another house.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But now I'm I'm questioning myself. But yeah, I think if.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You go to preference, you fill it out, you're agreeing
that either of those houses or three whatever your school does,
gives you a bid, that you're going to take it.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
I think, now, are there exceptions if like a family
emergency happens which causes you to drop out of school
and then you come back, do you get any sort
of leniency?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think if you were a pledge, say DG gives
you a bid and then there was some sort of
an emergency, you can just come back to DG.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You couldn't just go RUSH again. You would just be
a DG. DG would work it out with you.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I think that's right, because you've already accepted the
bid to that house, so you ideally would have the
intention of going through initiation with them. So I think
you just work it out with them to where you
could be initiated later or something.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, you just say, yeah, I don't really know anybody
that like accepted a bid, dropped out and then went
through RUSS again.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That feels kind of random. I don't know if people
did that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I know a few people who did that because they
put two people down for pref and then they got
the house that they didn't want it and they said,
let me try it out, and then after a month
initiation was coming up, they were like, I don't think
this is a line. So they chose to leave that
house and then rush again the following year.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So kind of I'm just gonna say, and maybe this is.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Something that you would want to know before.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I think that's also whoey, Like every house, for the
most part, is going to have people that you're going
to get along with. You're not going to be best
friends with everybody, So I don't know. I always think
people that think they know or they're like I wanted
a top tier, it's like, I don't even know if
you really is.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
This brings me to my next question. When you're talking
about a line with a house, I mean, I don't
assume that you're sitting around and you know, talking about
like I don't know, family backgrounds or religion or something, right,
talking about girls' personalities and like how much they party
versus how much they emphasize on education or am I
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being totally off the bat.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh you got it, you got it. I think the
other girls can weigh in, but I think you got it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I will say, going to a university where there is
a strong religious I would say, it's just a strong
religious area. I did not This was not talked about
during Rush. However, things after Rush became very apparent in
a specific house of girls that did not party and
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were from the same religious background than other houses, and
they did not make it aware during Rush.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Well, maybe something that those girls wish they'd asked prior
about religion r I well, should be asking about religion
when they're rushing. I think probably.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Depends on the school for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
But being at one of those schools, my sister, who
had been through the same sorority system and at that
school before, wouldn't tell me which house it was, as
she wanted me to make up my own choices, and
me coming from not a Mormon background and kind of
really being a partier in college, I guessed wrong.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It was one of my top houses. It was my
one of my prep houses.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Interesting, Yeah, and they really don't want you.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean I think they frown upon talking about politics
or religion during rush. So It's a little bit of
a confusing situation because you're not supposed to talk about
those things. But then what if that's like a major
part of the house, And then you're like, wait, whoops.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well right exactly, Like if I would have actually gotten it,
I probably would have had to drop and it wouldn't
have aligned necessarily with what I was looking for my
college career.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I guess you're not supposed to like also say, like, so,
what fraternities do you guys hang out with?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But you want to.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
So, how are you sussing this out just based on
like small talk?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, yeah, but I knew That's the thing that's so
different for some people's experiences versus others because I knew
what houses, what fraternities this house.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Hung out with. I knew the girls in the house,
so I knew a lot. That's why it's harder for
me to be like, what did I need to know?
Like I already knew it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
That's why my advice is to, like, before you go
into it, do your research. I mean, there's so much
even now that's on social media and TikTok and Instagram
that I feel like you can find those answers easier.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now totally, Like I.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Was a view beginning of social media, and so that
didn't really exist out there unless you knew people in
the system.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and we didn't even have cell phones, Like, we
didn't even have cell phones, so there was no email
when I went through Rush, So everything was sort of
like word of mouth, like you knew it because you
knew it, Like I don't know how to explain it.
And I think about this all the time, because we
also knew where to go at night to meet up
with the same friends we had, And I don't know
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how we knew, but we just knew. So I think
that that's the interesting thing is it's just sort of
word of mouth vibe.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If one person knows, twenty people know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Also, for me, it was a lot about the types
of conversations I was having because there were some girls
where I felt like it kind of is like that
vibe of oh, you just click immediately and you're able
to have a less surface level conversation, whereas some houses
I went in and I just felt like everybody was
really skimming the surface. And so what I really look
for is like people who asked great questions and seem
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genuinely interested, because I mean, it's hard to do when
you're recruiting people to be on all the time, and
like you could tell what houses. I feel like we're
more intentional in picking their girls by like the caliber
of questions that they asked, I guess, and I liked
getting in those deeper conversations with people, so I was like,
this is what makes me feel at home and what
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drew me to the sorority that I ended up.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Well, that's kind of an interesting thing because my niece
who's in a sorority, her best friend in the sorty
is like the greatest, cutest, most fun girl you could
ever imagine, but she sort of has This is what
I've heard from my niece, so I'd have to ask her.
But she gets a little bit socially anxious. So even
though she is probably one.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Of the coolest girls in the whole house.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She can't be in the front at rush because she
gets too anxious and can't like talk to the new
people coming in. So it's kind of your personality also
determines like if you're going to be good at we
called them, like, you know, being the rusher to the rushies.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I think you guys call it, like, what do you
guys call it?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
We called it the same thing.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The person trying to recruit or whatever, we just call
it the rusher and the rush sheet. You guys call
it like new members or potential new members.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh, the person is a P and M of potential.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Yeah, now that's so true though with the personality thing,
like you guys know me, I'm very.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like hi, and so I feel like they put.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Me with people they were like, ooh, we like we
want this girl, and we like, you know, someone with
a big personality to kind of like crack their shell
and make sure like, okay, this is someone that could
be in the storty. Yeah, the softer spoken people, it
was totally like a different vibe and whoever they were
talking to, I'm sure it was like just a different
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experience overall.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So the hardest part is if you have just two
very very quiet people sort of introverted, because then two
introverted people are sort of sitting there feeling awkward, whereas
being introverted it's totally fine, but it's just you don't
want to make it awkward. So it's almost like you
kind of need a strong person to ask the introverted
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people just some questions.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, that's so true because if yeah, I've heard kind
of horror stories of two people that just don't really
know what to say, and then it's awkward silence and
it's kind of like so like tell me about your family,
Like it's like it gets weird. So yeah, that's a
huge part of it for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
So one thing I'm fascinated by, obviously that is taking
off on TikTok when it comes to rush, is these
over the top elaborate dancing. Oh yeah, means that people
are doing with their houses. So one I want to know, like,
when you're rushing, are they asking you if you can dance?
If you like have rhythm when you get in?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Do you have to go to dance practice?
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Like how many days a week? Like how many girls
have to be apport of this? What if you start
doing the stunts and somebody falls and gets injured? I
don't know, it just seems like a lot, Like so
tell me about the dance aspect and if you're asking
questions about the dancing.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
During rush, I think for us it was more so
some people are just like that and they want to
do it. Some people, there's always a social media manager
or whatever who's in charge of putting.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
The I'm sorry, there's a social media manager for that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Like a position within the house.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
A position within the house isn't like a hired person
that does this profession.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's one of the girls in the house, and they'll
get elected to be in charge of the Instagram and
the TikTok or whatever. So there are always the people
who are kind of curating however that's going to look
and executing their vision throughout rush. So a lot of
times they'll pull random people for pictures and stuff. But
for videos like that, I feel like there was always
girls who did cheer in high school or girls who
were on the dance team at college that would just
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kind of all into or automatically and were into that
sort of thing. So they wanted to be at the front.
They wanted to be getting a group together and practicing
the dances, and so at least in our case, there
were always people who wanted to do it, So it
wasn't like we were pulling teeth and having dance practice.
It just kind of happened more naturally same we didn't.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
TikTok wasn't a thing yet, So it was all Instagram
when I was doing it, and it was definitely like
the cheerleaders or you know, girls like that or girls
that wanted to dance that would be doing their thing.
Definitely not like a requirement though, And yeah, no practices
for us either.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So in the nineties we didn't do this big dancing things.
We had something called porch songs. So what would happen is,
forget if it was every.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Day or part of rush.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
The rushies would come up and the girls would come
out sort of onto the porch and sing the song.
So there might be like rhythmic clapping or sort of
like slight dance moves, but nothing like you see now,
more like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Hands up, hands down, hands up, hands down, Kappa Kapa
like that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But then they the university, I think thought decided that
that was a bit disruptive. All the singing all the time,
and you would have sort of sing offs kind of
pitch perfect style.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I was just gonna say, like pitch perfect.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, like across the streets. So you'd be like, Kapa,
we are Kappa, and they'd be like we are pi
Fi pie Fi pi Fy, and then you kind of
like have them at each other, and then I think
that they took it away because it was like disruptive
to the neighborhood sort of a vibe. So then you
couldn't sing until everybody was in the house and the
door completely closed.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Then you were allowed to sing. But we didn't have
these like dance routines.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The only thing we did have is this elaborate skit day.
So there was this skit Day and like the entire
house was transformed into like a Broadway show basically with
you know, the walls and the this and the that
and all these things.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And that was the Barry Manilow Day. So that was
when we.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Had like a full production, a full skit, and like
people sat kind of like an audience, they would be
watching this sort of show.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I thought it was amazing when I went through.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
RASH, I was like, this is the most awesome thing
I've ever seen, because I just felt like I went
to like show after show after show.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I think my mind is so blown. I didn't realize
how much theatrics went in being in a sorority. I'm
wondering why you guys don't target theater meters.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I feel like they don't want to be in a sorority, but.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Maybe they don't know that there is so much singing
and acting and dancing they're missing out on this.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Possibly, I do feel like theater kids like tend to
end up having like their own you know, like group
I guess sorority fraternity together as like there.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, but it's true. I do think.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I don't know why I can't fully remember the skit dape,
but mine was very similar to to hers that it
we we didn't have the group dances, but also like
and honestly, the social media manager, that's a new role
that did nicest either for us.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, we we obviously didn't have that either, like, but
it was pretty elaborate, Like we turned the phone booth,
yes we had a phone with into what looked like
an aquarium, and then there was a girl who was
like a full mermaid in the phone booth, making it
look like she was swimming. And then there was like
all this singing and dancing, and then we did have
do you know that song word up by Cameo?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Do you guys remember that word up? Mm hmmm, oh,
ladies around the world. But we did do this thing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Oh, I'm totally telling a secret now where every pledge
class made up an eight count, and then each year
the dance would get longer and longer because the eight
count would just go on and on and on and on.
I have no memory of too much of the dance.
I just know that it was word up by cameo.
But that was kind of cool. So there definitely was
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like dancing.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
There's dancing, and then those girls that like myself, who
are not great dancers, we just got put from the back.
It's like you've got alumni there that's like choreographing things,
and they're like you like kinda take the back, you know.
So the ones who are meant to shine are in
the front with the good voices and the good dance moves.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
She was talking about some like riff off sing off
thing that was happening back in her day. Are they
doing dance offs now? With these elaborate dancing.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Things that they're doing. I kind of feel like social
media though in a way, during Rush is like one
big dance off. It's very competitive.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
That's what it looks like as an outsider for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
For some reason that has just become what signifies the
coolest house is if you can make a cool TikTok.
I don't know, but it feels like one big dance off.
It feels very competitive to have the best choreographed thing.
But it's weird because that's not in person, it's just online.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Okay, So that answers my question. Then when sororities pass
each other in the streets, they're not having a dance off. Okay, yeah,
good to know.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do they can do those dances?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Do the sororities do those dances at all during rush
or is it just like on Instagram and TikTok It's
not like actually even a part of rush, not really.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think it's TikTok. And then when you're doing the
songs out the door and coppying and bouncing and whatever,
but it's not a real dance. I don't think they're
performing dancing. So they don't ever.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Do that whole like dance shenanigans during rush.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
And they don't reform these dances for frat houses. No, no, no,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I'm asking there was only there was a little singing.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
That could happen like during a pinning or something, but
like otherwise, you don't really do any of that for
the fraternities.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
We had one thing at our school. It was a
big fraternity event and it's like a big dance off
and every solreaty has a portion of their girls choreograph
this dance for weeks and then they go into the
main courtyard area on campus and everybody performs in it's
a competition for like a frat event, it's a fundraising thing,
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but other than that, there's no performances to the frat boys.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
I think anybody who wants to rush needs to get
a pair of tap shoes or something before they go
out and start stomping. They need to learn how to
do a little bit of rhythm. It sounds like it
list an item.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Zero rhythm and I survived it. They'll be okay, They'll
be okay. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It is just fun.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Wait, so, Professor h before we go, what other questions
would you have about things you would want to know
before rush?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Gosh, I think before rush, I would want to know
do I get fed when I'm going to these houses?
Or do I need to eat before I go?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Definitely need to like slam some sandwiches before because I
feel like you almost can go all day without food.
I think one of them you get like a lemonade
and maybe a cookie.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember if I like remember like
a little break of like food that they would feed
all the pan ms in between. But yes, definitely hydrate
and eat something before because it is a long day
and it's a lot of talking that it can you know,
and where it's silly for me to say this, but
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honestly wear comfortable shoes. I just remember standing all day
and just being like trying to find a couch or something.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I was like, please lead me to the couch, you
know what.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I so funny is like I don't even know that
I could do it at my age.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now I feel like.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Whoa, that was so tiring At fifty, I'm like, I
don't know if I could do it like I could
when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It is really tiring for us. In between rounds, you
were required to be in the cafeteria. So we had
this giant cafeteria where all the girls were required to
be in if you weren't at a house doing.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Wow group round.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So it was kind of cool because you get food
and water and like are reminded to hydrate and ac
because where I went to school was very hot, outside
when we rushed, which made it all more exhausting. But
it's kind of cool because you're a little bit forced
to be in this environment where you're making friends throughout
rush and not just focused on making friends at the houses.
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You're sitting with the girls in between rounds and getting
to know people. So I thought it was a good opportunity.
But yeah, we were required to take our breaks in
the cafeteria and then at the end of the day
everybody altogether could go home, but it was no way.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I also thought it was super fun. Like I
don't know if I'm like alone in that, but I
thought the whole thing was just so fun. I was like,
this is the greatest.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
It was so fun and like being able to like
dress in the outfits you wanted. You're like, okay, I
can wear this, you know, on day one and like
stuff like that and be with your friends too.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
It's it's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I thought it was so fun, and like we
talk about this all the time, but my sorority sisters
and I talk about all the time, were like, can
we go live there again?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Like together? Now?
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I know how I would if I was in charge
of like sussing people out to be in our house.
Like the kinds of questions I would ask, I wouldn't
ask just the get to know. Yeah, I'd probably throw
in a couple of zingers to do a little test
test test, you know, like, hey, we go out and
party all night, do you have a fake ID on
you like that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know, Oh, that would be very very frowned upon. Okay,
So I wanted to know.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Is there somebody assigned to throw out some of those
kind of baited questions in the process to kind of
sess out the girls that maybe aren't the right fit
for the house.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's hard because I think there's a lot of taboos
and you're not supposed to talk about the three bees,
which is booze, boys, and Bible.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So religionally, we never quite heard it like that. We
never like heard it like that, but I think it.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Was just sort of understood.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I feel like eventually we did start talking about like boys.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I guess I'm just wondering, like, so, you're you're literally
just going off of a vibe then on if you
like a girl versus like getting into that nitty gritty
to see if she like, you know, is a party animal,
or if she cheats on her boyfriend with their you know,
steals guys from her best friends. You know, you don't
ask any of those kinds of questions to really like
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saw somebody out during this process.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
There it is a bit of research done by the
houses before Rush even starts about that with people. I'm
sure it's much more intense now.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
With social media. Before social media, it was kind of
word of mouth.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
You know, a lot of I would say a lot
of kids go to in state schools.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Not everybody, but so there would be people be like, oh,
she went.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
To my high school or is friends with so and
so that I know, and this is something that they
told me about this person, and would kind of clock
that early and like they're so early.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Almost even before rush starts.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
So it was almost like keep an eye out, like
she's a little bit of a red flag already, and
then like see how the conversations go with them without
having to I'm with the other girl who talked about
the three bees.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Ours was the same.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You couldn't.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
You weren't supposed to talk about those things.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
So there is a little bit of that done beforehand.
And then does she give up those vibes, does she.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Well to piggyback off of that. So maybe somebody that's
not notorious for a bad thing in their past, but
maybe notorious for whether they come from a prominent family
or they used to date a professional athlete or something
like that. Do those kinds of things get researched and
get you pushed to the front of the line. Essentially
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for some schools, if you have a really big let's say.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, I definitely think dating a professional athlete when you're
eighteen would be a little.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Bit I'm just saying, what about these TikTokers that are
coming into school with, you know, their freshman year with
over a million followers and that kind of notoriety. Is
that going to push you to the front of people's
lists of you know, houses wanting you.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Now, Yeah, I think depending on the house too, like
what they prioritize, Like there were houses that were very studious,
like that was kind of what they were known for,
and then like more like popular houses.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
So those areas where it's like, oh.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
We want this girl that has a million followers, where
the other ones are like, maybe don't care as much.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I always wonder about the celebrities kids because you always
hear about celebrities kids going through rush, and I never
know if that's like good bad if people know.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I don't know. I always think about that.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Another piece of advice to kind of help with this
situation that I thought of is, before you go, if
you know somebody, an aunt, your mom's best friend, an
upper classman, somebody who was in these houses before, get
a wreck letter from somebody who is in the house.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
It really helps your chances.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
It puts you probably above some other girls because that
does happen where they.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Will look out for you.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
You will be one of their top girls, and they will.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Assign specific girls to be the ones to talk to you,
to try and influence you to choose that house.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Essentially, yeah, especially if you know someone in that house,
like that's still there, still.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
There, but yeah, even alumni polls can go pretty.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Far, I'll think.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I hope this was enlightening.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
I learned a lot today you guys as a non
sorority sister. Thanks for letting me in today.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
More to come.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I can't wait for the singing episode.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Are warming up those vocal.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Cords, get your damp shoes.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Talk to you guys, later Bye bye,
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent and Jennifer Fessler.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is Dirty Rush, and this is a special.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Episode that's producers only, so we're really taking you behind
the scenes, behind the scenes, behind the scenes where the
producers are coming on because people are about to go
through rush again. It seems like we just started the
whole rush process and now it's time.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
For winter rush. Is that what you guys would call it? Winter?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Winter rush? Second semester rush, Spring rush is.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Coming, spring rush, spring rush.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, we had spring rush, but I think some people,
some schools do do it at the beginning of the
next quarter.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
People are still getting cobs.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So what we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Do is get all the producers on to talk about
the things.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Obviously, the producers of the show, we're all in the
Greek system, so we want to talk about things we
wish we.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Knew before Rush started. And we have one of our.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Other iHeart producers who actually was not in the Greek
system to ask the questions that she would want to
know before going through rush. So why don't we start
just one or two tidbits from everybody about something you
wish you knew before you went through Rush. So I
don't want to reveal any of our producers' names because
the thing about this show that's different from others is
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that we do feel comfortable to really reveal things and
to be super honest because we don't always say who
we are. So why don't we just go around the
group and say a couple things that you wish you
knew before Rush started. I've been thinking about this a lot,
and for me, I actually think less is more. You
don't want to know too much, or I think you
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would really get in your head about it. I think
the main thing that I would say is best advice
I could give. Know as many people as you can
that are in the Greek system, which is super hard
for people that are going to schools far away, random
schools or schools where they don't know anybody. But I
think your biggest advantage is having people that you know
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that are in the sororities already. Two is my other advice,
and I know this sounds, I don't know, very trite
or very obvious. Be nice, Be nice, be nice to everybody.
Be nice, and even once you get into the sorority.
Be nice to everybody else. Talking to a friend last
night who many many years later, and we'll do this
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on a different episode.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's just be nice.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Be nice, even to the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Mean girl, be nice to the scary senior, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Just be nice. So that's my best advice. And now
over to you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Okay, Well, I rush a really long time ago, but
I would say not as.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Long as you wait. How many years ago? Twenty?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm thirty, I'm thirty years ago? Are you twenty?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I'm not quite twenty? Oh my gosh, how long ago
was it?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I can't even remember twenty two thousand and nine, whenever
that was.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
We're coming up on twenty.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I guess No.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Some things I wish I would have known and done
before RUSH is one kind of research that houses and.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
A little bit of their history and.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Also just kind of what to expect during Rush.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I went in very blind and was very overwhelmed by
so much of the chanting and singing and that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh like it kind of like it kind of creeped
you out a little bit.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yes, I very much so.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Was encouraged to rush for my sister, who was in
a sorority. However, I didn't know a lot of things
about sororities. It was kind of like, Okay, this is
a fun way to meet some friends, So if that's you,
I would just suggest maybe doing a little little research
into what to expect during rush and a little bit
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about the houses.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The other thing I wish.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I did differently during Rush was I did not base
the house off one single person I talked to later
on after I joined my house.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
I'm very happy with the house I joined.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
However, so many of my friends ended up being in
the first house I dropped, and it was because I
was so overwhelmed by the personality of the first person
I spoke.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
She was just very not me.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
She was like a very high pitched voice, very energetic,
and a lot of the girls are right, this is
Rush weeks, so that happens a lot, but this girl
just completely turned me off, and I dropped the house
first day, and then later on in the to the semester,
most of my friends ended up being from that.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
House, which is oh wow. So I would just say,
don't judge off the first person.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I thought of a good analogy when you were talking
about how overwhelming it is the best example I can
give is you're in a restaurant and it's when everyone
comes out with the cake and sings happy birthday to you.
That is sort of the feeling of a lot of
rush where you're like, oh my god, I have to
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just smile here they're like singing at me, or they're
you know, so excited and you're like ugh. So you
kind of do have to prepare yourself for sort of
like a lot of a happy birthday song moment.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Sorry, can I jump in here, the resident non sorority person.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, we'll call you. We'll call you, Professor H.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Professor H. I have a question about singing. So you
said that there's a lot of songs. You guys, once
you get in dy'll sit around and have music practice.
Do you get the song sent to? How do you
learn the songs once you join?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
There is like a whole rush prep going into it
when you are in the house that you will learn
those songs. You will clap at the right time you
need to clap.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
You will. It's a it's a process. It's like a
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Oh, you guys should do a whole episode.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
We should do a whole episode just on the songs
because so Hannah and I were in the same sorority
at different schools, so we also have the same songs.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I don't know if that trips out, Professor h Well, I.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Kind of figured that every house probably has their own songs.
But I also want to know, like how secretive are
these songs? Are we talking? It's like those secret handshakes
you guys talk about, where like other people can't hear
you practicing the lyrics to these songs. I guess my
other thing is I went to cheer tryouts right in
high school. I'm assuming this is maybe a little bit
kind of similar where I had to go through a
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process for ten days and I had to learn cheers
and I had to learn dance routines. But then I
had to audition with those Yeah, at a point where
you have to sing for somebody to show and prove
that you know these no, not really okay shaking their
head no.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
To that question.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah. Only I think if you want to be like
a if you want to be like.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A soloist like I was Barry Manilow on the Kappa
Cabana Day, and so I think I had to it.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Well, this isn't like American idol or something like an audition.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I had to sing.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We had a copa cabana version, but it was called
Kappa Kappa Gamma, and so I had to sing. So
I think somebody must have wanted to make sure I
could sing. This sounds like a nightmare. Sorry, really embarrassing.
I'm not like Ariana Grande or anything. I think you
can you can get by with just like a mediocre voice,
even to do a solo. But like anyway, I want
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to go to everybody else for the things that they
wish they knew. But the singing is a whole episode.
Please make note we should do a whole episode because
there's songs you have to sing on meeting night to
like get in the door. But anyway, we'll talk about
that later.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
So I would say one thing that I wouldn't necess
sssarily recommend doing is you know, you go into college.
I had a lot of my high school friends that
went to the same college as me, and we rushed
all at the same time, and I feel like we
kind of influenced each other, like ooh, I really like
that house, and I like that house, but I don't
like this one as much. And I feel like you
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really need to be like individual in the sense where
it's like, Okay, my friend might not like that house,
but we don't have to be in the same house.
Like we can still be friends and be in separate sororities.
So it's easy to kind of get caught up and like, ooh,
this is what my friend likes, and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I have a weird question on that, like to pretend
it was like percentages or like you know, a pie,
how many of your friends were in your sorority versus
other sororities. I think I'm like seventy five percent in mine,
twenty five percent others, But you guys weigh in.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I would say the same.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
I would honestly even say my school was a little
bit smaller, so we had like I want to say,
maybe like four five sororities to choose from, So I'd say, yeah,
mine was like eighty twenty and it ended up working out,
like totally don't regret it at all, But I wonder
if my friends and I stayed a little separate, if
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we maybe would have chosen like different houses from each other.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Wow, oh interesting, Yeah, so you kind of ended up
going to the same house because you did influence each other.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
And I feel like too, like I rushed probably like
I think nine years ago, eight or nine years ago,
so I like I remember we would like stalk their
instagrams and be like, ooh, like this house looks so
cool and the girls look so fun and like blah
blah blah. So we definitely did a lot of Instagram
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research beforehand that I think also, like going into it,
we kind of knew which houses we thought were cool.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think kind of along the same lines of cutting
out the noise beforehand, whether it's your friends, whether it's
social media, it is such an individual experience, and I
think it's really important to just make sure that a
you're listening to your intuition versus other people's opinions, or
what house is a top house and what house is
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not considered as quote unquote cool, and kind of tuning
out a lot of that noise because it can impact
your decision so much what you think others will think
is cool, but really it's all about you and ending
up in the place that's the most aligned. And I
also think that just like going in as your most
authentic self is always, at the end of the day,
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going to be the most important thing to do, and
it's easy to lose sight of that when there's so
much comparison going on, or other people in your ear
telling you what where they think you would fit in
or where they're going and why they're doing what they're doing.
So I think that really just tuning into yourself is
going to be the most important thing to do. Because
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I rushed twice. The first time I rushed, it did
not go very well, and when I look back on
that time, it was there were a lot of components
that went into it, but I think a huge part
of it is I felt like I had to be
acting a certain way or hitting certain marks in my conversation,
and I was just trying to control the narrative too
much rather than letting the process happen. And when I
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went into rush the second time, it went very well
for me, and I ended up in the house that
was most aligned for me because I was just simply
being myself. So I think kind of getting out of
your head in any preconceived notions, like leaving them at
the door, is really important.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
That was kind of one of my questions. I wanted
to ask about the ability to rush twice. So you're
saying you can do that. Are there any parameters that
are put on the second time, Like you can't go
back to certain houses in rush again, Like what happens
when you go up that can.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Tame pledge a house? Tell me my good, that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If you pledge a house and you sign the card
and then you decide you don't like it, I think
you can't rush again for a year or something like that.
If you get initiated, you can never rush a different house.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, that's correct. So if I were to have taken
a bid from a house, but it gets a few
it takes a few months to get initiated, and I
took that bid, and then I was like, uh, never mind.
Then I could go through rush again, but I couldn't
take a bid from that house again.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You can't take a bid from the same house twice.
I think I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't think you can correct me if I'm wrong
to anybody else, But at least.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
I think that was allowed.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think if you go through rush, you get a
bid and you decide to drop out or not accept
the bid, I think you can't go through RUSH for
a year, like you couldn't get a COB from another house.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But now I'm I'm questioning myself. But yeah, I think if.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You go to preference, you fill it out, you're agreeing
that either of those houses or three whatever your school does,
gives you a bid, that you're going to take it.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
I think, now, are there exceptions if like a family
emergency happens which causes you to drop out of school
and then you come back, do you get any sort
of leniency?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think if you were a pledge, say DG gives
you a bid and then there was some sort of
an emergency, you can just come back to DG.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You couldn't just go RUSH again. You would just be
a DG. DG would work it out with you.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I think that's right, because you've already accepted the
bid to that house, so you ideally would have the
intention of going through initiation with them. So I think
you just work it out with them to where you
could be initiated later or something.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, you just say, yeah, I don't really know anybody
that like accepted a bid, dropped out and then went
through RUSS again.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That feels kind of random. I don't know if people
did that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I know a few people who did that because they
put two people down for pref and then they got
the house that they didn't want it and they said,
let me try it out, and then after a month
initiation was coming up, they were like, I don't think
this is a line. So they chose to leave that
house and then rush again the following year.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So kind of I'm just gonna say, and maybe this is.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Something that you would want to know before.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I think that's also whoey, Like every house, for the
most part, is going to have people that you're going
to get along with. You're not going to be best
friends with everybody, So I don't know. I always think
people that think they know or they're like I wanted
a top tier, it's like, I don't even know if
you really is.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
This brings me to my next question. When you're talking
about a line with a house, I mean, I don't
assume that you're sitting around and you know, talking about
like I don't know, family backgrounds or religion or something, right,
talking about girls' personalities and like how much they party
versus how much they emphasize on education or am I
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being totally off the bat.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh you got it, you got it. I think the
other girls can weigh in, but I think you got it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I will say, going to a university where there is
a strong religious I would say, it's just a strong
religious area. I did not This was not talked about
during Rush. However, things after Rush became very apparent in
a specific house of girls that did not party and
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were from the same religious background than other houses, and
they did not make it aware during Rush.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Well, maybe something that those girls wish they'd asked prior
about religion r I well, should be asking about religion
when they're rushing. I think probably.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Depends on the school for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
But being at one of those schools, my sister, who
had been through the same sorority system and at that
school before, wouldn't tell me which house it was, as
she wanted me to make up my own choices, and
me coming from not a Mormon background and kind of
really being a partier in college, I guessed wrong.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It was one of my top houses. It was my
one of my prep houses.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Interesting, Yeah, and they really don't want you.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean I think they frown upon talking about politics
or religion during rush. So It's a little bit of
a confusing situation because you're not supposed to talk about
those things. But then what if that's like a major
part of the house, And then you're like, wait, whoops.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well right exactly, Like if I would have actually gotten it,
I probably would have had to drop and it wouldn't
have aligned necessarily with what I was looking for my
college career.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I guess you're not supposed to like also say, like, so,
what fraternities do you guys hang out with?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But you want to.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
So, how are you sussing this out just based on
like small talk?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, yeah, but I knew That's the thing that's so
different for some people's experiences versus others because I knew
what houses, what fraternities this house.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Hung out with. I knew the girls in the house,
so I knew a lot. That's why it's harder for
me to be like, what did I need to know?
Like I already knew it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
That's why my advice is to, like, before you go
into it, do your research. I mean, there's so much
even now that's on social media and TikTok and Instagram
that I feel like you can find those answers easier.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now totally, Like I.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Was a view beginning of social media, and so that
didn't really exist out there unless you knew people in
the system.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and we didn't even have cell phones, Like, we
didn't even have cell phones, so there was no email
when I went through Rush, So everything was sort of
like word of mouth, like you knew it because you
knew it, Like I don't know how to explain it.
And I think about this all the time, because we
also knew where to go at night to meet up
with the same friends we had, And I don't know
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how we knew, but we just knew. So I think
that that's the interesting thing is it's just sort of
word of mouth vibe.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If one person knows, twenty people know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Also, for me, it was a lot about the types
of conversations I was having because there were some girls
where I felt like it kind of is like that
vibe of oh, you just click immediately and you're able
to have a less surface level conversation, whereas some houses
I went in and I just felt like everybody was
really skimming the surface. And so what I really look
for is like people who asked great questions and seem
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genuinely interested, because I mean, it's hard to do when
you're recruiting people to be on all the time, and
like you could tell what houses. I feel like we're
more intentional in picking their girls by like the caliber
of questions that they asked, I guess, and I liked
getting in those deeper conversations with people, so I was like,
this is what makes me feel at home and what
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drew me to the sorority that I ended up.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Well, that's kind of an interesting thing because my niece
who's in a sorority, her best friend in the sorty
is like the greatest, cutest, most fun girl you could
ever imagine, but she sort of has This is what
I've heard from my niece, so I'd have to ask her.
But she gets a little bit socially anxious. So even
though she is probably one.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Of the coolest girls in the whole house.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She can't be in the front at rush because she
gets too anxious and can't like talk to the new
people coming in. So it's kind of your personality also
determines like if you're going to be good at we
called them, like, you know, being the rusher to the rushies.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I think you guys call it, like, what do you
guys call it?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
We called it the same thing.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The person trying to recruit or whatever, we just call
it the rusher and the rush sheet. You guys call
it like new members or potential new members.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh, the person is a P and M of potential.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Yeah, now that's so true though with the personality thing,
like you guys know me, I'm very.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like hi, and so I feel like they put.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Me with people they were like, ooh, we like we
want this girl, and we like, you know, someone with
a big personality to kind of like crack their shell
and make sure like, okay, this is someone that could
be in the storty. Yeah, the softer spoken people, it
was totally like a different vibe and whoever they were
talking to, I'm sure it was like just a different
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experience overall.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So the hardest part is if you have just two
very very quiet people sort of introverted, because then two
introverted people are sort of sitting there feeling awkward, whereas
being introverted it's totally fine, but it's just you don't
want to make it awkward. So it's almost like you
kind of need a strong person to ask the introverted
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people just some questions.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, that's so true because if yeah, I've heard kind
of horror stories of two people that just don't really
know what to say, and then it's awkward silence and
it's kind of like so like tell me about your family,
Like it's like it gets weird. So yeah, that's a
huge part of it for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
So one thing I'm fascinated by, obviously that is taking
off on TikTok when it comes to rush, is these
over the top elaborate dancing. Oh yeah, means that people
are doing with their houses. So one I want to know, like,
when you're rushing, are they asking you if you can dance?
If you like have rhythm when you get in?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Do you have to go to dance practice?
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Like how many days a week? Like how many girls
have to be apport of this? What if you start
doing the stunts and somebody falls and gets injured? I
don't know, it just seems like a lot, Like so
tell me about the dance aspect and if you're asking
questions about the dancing.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
During rush, I think for us it was more so
some people are just like that and they want to
do it. Some people, there's always a social media manager
or whatever who's in charge of putting.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
The I'm sorry, there's a social media manager for that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Like a position within the house.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
A position within the house isn't like a hired person
that does this profession.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's one of the girls in the house, and they'll
get elected to be in charge of the Instagram and
the TikTok or whatever. So there are always the people
who are kind of curating however that's going to look
and executing their vision throughout rush. So a lot of
times they'll pull random people for pictures and stuff. But
for videos like that, I feel like there was always
girls who did cheer in high school or girls who
were on the dance team at college that would just
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kind of all into or automatically and were into that
sort of thing. So they wanted to be at the front.
They wanted to be getting a group together and practicing
the dances, and so at least in our case, there
were always people who wanted to do it, So it
wasn't like we were pulling teeth and having dance practice.
It just kind of happened more naturally same we didn't.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
TikTok wasn't a thing yet, So it was all Instagram
when I was doing it, and it was definitely like
the cheerleaders or you know, girls like that or girls
that wanted to dance that would be doing their thing.
Definitely not like a requirement though, And yeah, no practices
for us either.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So in the nineties we didn't do this big dancing things.
We had something called porch songs. So what would happen is,
forget if it was every.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Day or part of rush.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
The rushies would come up and the girls would come
out sort of onto the porch and sing the song.
So there might be like rhythmic clapping or sort of
like slight dance moves, but nothing like you see now,
more like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Hands up, hands down, hands up, hands down, Kappa Kapa
like that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But then they the university, I think thought decided that
that was a bit disruptive. All the singing all the time,
and you would have sort of sing offs kind of
pitch perfect style.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I was just gonna say, like pitch perfect.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, like across the streets. So you'd be like, Kapa,
we are Kappa, and they'd be like we are pi
Fi pie Fi pi Fy, and then you kind of
like have them at each other, and then I think
that they took it away because it was like disruptive
to the neighborhood sort of a vibe. So then you
couldn't sing until everybody was in the house and the
door completely closed.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Then you were allowed to sing. But we didn't have
these like dance routines.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The only thing we did have is this elaborate skit day.
So there was this skit Day and like the entire
house was transformed into like a Broadway show basically with
you know, the walls and the this and the that
and all these things.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And that was the Barry Manilow Day. So that was
when we.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Had like a full production, a full skit, and like
people sat kind of like an audience, they would be
watching this sort of show.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I thought it was amazing when I went through.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
RASH, I was like, this is the most awesome thing
I've ever seen, because I just felt like I went
to like show after show after show.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I think my mind is so blown. I didn't realize
how much theatrics went in being in a sorority. I'm
wondering why you guys don't target theater meters.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I feel like they don't want to be in a sorority, but.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Maybe they don't know that there is so much singing
and acting and dancing they're missing out on this.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Possibly, I do feel like theater kids like tend to
end up having like their own you know, like group
I guess sorority fraternity together as like there.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, but it's true. I do think.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I don't know why I can't fully remember the skit dape,
but mine was very similar to to hers that it
we we didn't have the group dances, but also like
and honestly, the social media manager, that's a new role
that did nicest either for us.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, we we obviously didn't have that either, like, but
it was pretty elaborate, Like we turned the phone booth,
yes we had a phone with into what looked like
an aquarium, and then there was a girl who was
like a full mermaid in the phone booth, making it
look like she was swimming. And then there was like
all this singing and dancing, and then we did have
do you know that song word up by Cameo?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Do you guys remember that word up? Mm hmmm, oh,
ladies around the world. But we did do this thing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Oh, I'm totally telling a secret now where every pledge
class made up an eight count, and then each year
the dance would get longer and longer because the eight
count would just go on and on and on and on.
I have no memory of too much of the dance.
I just know that it was word up by cameo.
But that was kind of cool. So there definitely was
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like dancing.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
There's dancing, and then those girls that like myself, who
are not great dancers, we just got put from the back.
It's like you've got alumni there that's like choreographing things,
and they're like you like kinda take the back, you know.
So the ones who are meant to shine are in
the front with the good voices and the good dance moves.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
She was talking about some like riff off sing off
thing that was happening back in her day. Are they
doing dance offs now? With these elaborate dancing.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Things that they're doing. I kind of feel like social
media though in a way, during Rush is like one
big dance off. It's very competitive.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
That's what it looks like as an outsider for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
For some reason that has just become what signifies the
coolest house is if you can make a cool TikTok.
I don't know, but it feels like one big dance off.
It feels very competitive to have the best choreographed thing.
But it's weird because that's not in person, it's just online.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Okay, So that answers my question. Then when sororities pass
each other in the streets, they're not having a dance off. Okay, yeah,
good to know.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do they can do those dances?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Do the sororities do those dances at all during rush
or is it just like on Instagram and TikTok It's
not like actually even a part of rush, not really.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think it's TikTok. And then when you're doing the
songs out the door and coppying and bouncing and whatever,
but it's not a real dance. I don't think they're
performing dancing. So they don't ever.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Do that whole like dance shenanigans during rush.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
And they don't reform these dances for frat houses. No, no, no,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I'm asking there was only there was a little singing.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
That could happen like during a pinning or something, but
like otherwise, you don't really do any of that for
the fraternities.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
We had one thing at our school. It was a
big fraternity event and it's like a big dance off
and every solreaty has a portion of their girls choreograph
this dance for weeks and then they go into the
main courtyard area on campus and everybody performs in it's
a competition for like a frat event, it's a fundraising thing,
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but other than that, there's no performances to the frat boys.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
I think anybody who wants to rush needs to get
a pair of tap shoes or something before they go
out and start stomping. They need to learn how to
do a little bit of rhythm. It sounds like it
list an item.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Zero rhythm and I survived it. They'll be okay, They'll
be okay. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It is just fun.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Wait, so, Professor h before we go, what other questions
would you have about things you would want to know
before rush?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Gosh, I think before rush, I would want to know
do I get fed when I'm going to these houses?
Or do I need to eat before I go?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Definitely need to like slam some sandwiches before because I
feel like you almost can go all day without food.
I think one of them you get like a lemonade
and maybe a cookie.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember if I like remember like
a little break of like food that they would feed
all the pan ms in between. But yes, definitely hydrate
and eat something before because it is a long day
and it's a lot of talking that it can you know,
and where it's silly for me to say this, but
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honestly wear comfortable shoes. I just remember standing all day
and just being like trying to find a couch or something.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I was like, please lead me to the couch, you
know what.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I so funny is like I don't even know that
I could do it at my age.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now I feel like.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Whoa, that was so tiring At fifty, I'm like, I
don't know if I could do it like I could
when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It is really tiring for us. In between rounds, you
were required to be in the cafeteria. So we had
this giant cafeteria where all the girls were required to
be in if you weren't at a house doing.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Wow group round.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So it was kind of cool because you get food
and water and like are reminded to hydrate and ac
because where I went to school was very hot, outside
when we rushed, which made it all more exhausting. But
it's kind of cool because you're a little bit forced
to be in this environment where you're making friends throughout
rush and not just focused on making friends at the houses.
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You're sitting with the girls in between rounds and getting
to know people. So I thought it was a good opportunity.
But yeah, we were required to take our breaks in
the cafeteria and then at the end of the day
everybody altogether could go home, but it was no way.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I also thought it was super fun. Like I
don't know if I'm like alone in that, but I
thought the whole thing was just so fun. I was like,
this is the greatest.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
It was so fun and like being able to like
dress in the outfits you wanted. You're like, okay, I
can wear this, you know, on day one and like
stuff like that and be with your friends too.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
It's it's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I thought it was so fun, and like we
talk about this all the time, but my sorority sisters
and I talk about all the time, were like, can
we go live there again?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Like together? Now?
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I know how I would if I was in charge
of like sussing people out to be in our house.
Like the kinds of questions I would ask, I wouldn't
ask just the get to know. Yeah, I'd probably throw
in a couple of zingers to do a little test
test test, you know, like, hey, we go out and
party all night, do you have a fake ID on
you like that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know, Oh, that would be very very frowned upon. Okay,
So I wanted to know.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Is there somebody assigned to throw out some of those
kind of baited questions in the process to kind of
sess out the girls that maybe aren't the right fit
for the house.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's hard because I think there's a lot of taboos
and you're not supposed to talk about the three bees,
which is booze, boys, and Bible.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So religionally, we never quite heard it like that. We
never like heard it like that, but I think it.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Was just sort of understood.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I feel like eventually we did start talking about like boys.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I guess I'm just wondering, like, so, you're you're literally
just going off of a vibe then on if you
like a girl versus like getting into that nitty gritty
to see if she like, you know, is a party animal,
or if she cheats on her boyfriend with their you know,
steals guys from her best friends. You know, you don't
ask any of those kinds of questions to really like
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saw somebody out during this process.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
There it is a bit of research done by the
houses before Rush even starts about that with people. I'm
sure it's much more intense now.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
With social media. Before social media, it was kind of
word of mouth.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
You know, a lot of I would say a lot
of kids go to in state schools.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Not everybody, but so there would be people be like, oh,
she went.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
To my high school or is friends with so and
so that I know, and this is something that they
told me about this person, and would kind of clock
that early and like they're so early.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Almost even before rush starts.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
So it was almost like keep an eye out, like
she's a little bit of a red flag already, and
then like see how the conversations go with them without
having to I'm with the other girl who talked about
the three bees.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Ours was the same.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You couldn't.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
You weren't supposed to talk about those things.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
So there is a little bit of that done beforehand.
And then does she give up those vibes, does she.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Well to piggyback off of that. So maybe somebody that's
not notorious for a bad thing in their past, but
maybe notorious for whether they come from a prominent family
or they used to date a professional athlete or something
like that. Do those kinds of things get researched and
get you pushed to the front of the line. Essentially
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for some schools, if you have a really big let's say.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, I definitely think dating a professional athlete when you're
eighteen would be a little.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Bit I'm just saying, what about these TikTokers that are
coming into school with, you know, their freshman year with
over a million followers and that kind of notoriety. Is
that going to push you to the front of people's
lists of you know, houses wanting you.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Now, Yeah, I think depending on the house too, like
what they prioritize, Like there were houses that were very studious,
like that was kind of what they were known for,
and then like more like popular houses.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
So those areas where it's like, oh.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
We want this girl that has a million followers, where
the other ones are like, maybe don't care as much.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I always wonder about the celebrities kids because you always
hear about celebrities kids going through rush, and I never
know if that's like good bad if people know.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I don't know. I always think about that.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Another piece of advice to kind of help with this
situation that I thought of is, before you go, if
you know somebody, an aunt, your mom's best friend, an
upper classman, somebody who was in these houses before, get
a wreck letter from somebody who is in the house.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
It really helps your chances.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
It puts you probably above some other girls because that
does happen where they.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Will look out for you.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
You will be one of their top girls, and they will.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Assign specific girls to be the ones to talk to you,
to try and influence you to choose that house.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Essentially, yeah, especially if you know someone in that house,
like that's still there, still.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
There, but yeah, even alumni polls can go pretty.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Far, I'll think.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I hope this was enlightening.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
I learned a lot today you guys as a non
sorority sister. Thanks for letting me in today.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
More to come.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I can't wait for the singing episode.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Are warming up those vocal.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Cords, get your damp shoes.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Talk to you guys, later Bye bye,
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