August 24, 2021 • 22 mins
Aqib answers your questions related to the preseason and gives his thoughts on some major sleeper teams and which team he thinks will have a powerful offense (0:26). Later, 2X Pro Bowl DB Mike Adams tells Aqib about the grind of being a coach in the NFL, his long-term coaching goals, and who he does not want to resemble as a coach (7:29).
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today we got, you know, a couple of fan questions
about the preseason. So the first one said, uh, what
has caught my attention? After the first two weeks of
being in the box calling games? I say, Man, how
hard these guys playing. Man, I don't know if I
maybe because I always was the first round pick and
the starter. I never was really in there playing that hard.
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And then you know, after the game, you you're paying attention,
but you're just kind of a fan. You're walking around,
you laughing, you kind of have fun on the sideline.
So I don't know, I'm just looking at it through
a different light. Right now up in that box, I'm
really paying attention to the game. And man, these guys
is playing hard. Man. You see guys flying around. It's
really the super Bowl for all these guys. Man, it's
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kind of the back end of the rosters and all
these guys as guys who played football since Pop Warner,
and they all the way to get to this opportunity
right here in the preseason to make a team. Man,
and they at that last they right at that last
little I'm right here, I'm on the team. I gotta
make the team. I got an opportunity to make a
team and fighting for this spot. It's crazy, man. It's
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good to see the competition. Man, it's it's it's super
Bowl like when you think about it, Man, if you
take all the back half of these rosters. Man, these
guys are playing Super Bowl hard and I enjoy watching it. Man,
these these these guys out here and making plays. Uh,
playing with tremendous effort, and uh, it's crazy just watching it.
Front the booth man, you you you look at in
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a different light. Second question, what teams have surprised you
or disappointed you so far? I'm definitely gonna say the Broncos.
Ship the Broncos. They offenses looking crazy, explosives. They got
a quarterback competition out there, Drew lock And and Teddy
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bridge Water. They're both looking good. Now. Shoot, I don't
know who in the league right now. I say, Teddy,
I think you take care of the ball a little
bit better. But they're both looking good. They both looking explosives. Man,
I've seen I've seen Hamdler go up top. I've seen
Judy go up top a few times. Man, Suthing gonna
get back in the mix. He's gonna be the best
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number two, if not number one, him and Judy. You know,
Judy really the number one, but Sutton probably top three
and fifty fifty balls. Man, that's a good old line
over there. That offense is looking explosive right now. Man.
And we know what they're gonna do on defense, so
that might be a top five defense. Man. You asked
the chance to that defense and corner at those vests
Fuller Dorby. Man, there might be a top five defense.
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So I know it's just preseason, but man, you come
out of you drop thirty points a game. I mean
the o C that the team like how the o
C calling the game. They're taking shots down field. They
might be they might be surprising, man, And we kind
of downgrading them because of that quarterback controversy. But I
think that's a super good team out there in Denver.
Number three. Uh, what rookie has stood out or disappointed?
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In this preseason. I'm gonna go right right where I've
been watching. I'm gonna stay right where I've been watching.
I'm gonna say Bryce Perkins, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna
say Bryce Perkins the quarterback for the Rams probably gonna
be their number three quarterback. They're probably gonna keep them. Man,
this guy's been sitting in the pocket, going through his progressives,
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looking just as calm as calm could be. Man. And
when things go left and nobody's open, or you know,
he feel a little pressure, then boom, he gets off scheduled.
He created an extra second. He making players with his legs. Man,
I think I think he's been looking a lot better
than than what I remember. So impressive, man, impressive. I
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think if you put him in there with the starters
right now, I mean, you know, Matt Stafford starting, but
I think if you put him in there with the
starting old line and the starting receivers right now, I
think he'd be able to make place, he'd be able
to hold it down. So him and Warford, Man, that's
that's two good backups in case things go less and
uh in l A. But Bryce Perkins, I think he's
playing good football. Hopefully they're able to keep him, but
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somebody gonna want to use him. If you watch this
tape and you see how he's running the show man,
how he getting them guys in and out the huddle,
Sean bragging on him, Sean love how he running the show.
How smooth the offense looked while he in there. So
Bryce purpose man, shout out Bryce's purpose. The question is
can he win these games? Now? The first game he's subbed,
he rotated, so one all on him. But the second
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game he played the entire game. He's gonna play the
entire Broncos game as well. But uh, can he win games?
Because I always say winning is a skill. So no
matter what's going on in the game, if it's close
at the end, some guys like pay mannys in time homes.
Some guys just know how to get it done in
the fourth I don't care what players we called breakdown.
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I'm gonna make this play happens. Scrumble, boom, hit, somebody
get us in field goal range or whatever. He did
miss a throw at the end of the game too.
If they would have got that, if you'd have got
that throw, caught that pass over there, Uh, they needed
that two points, So I mean, I think he got
sacked on the two point, but he missed the throw
and the fathing he came back and through the tub.
But Kenny win, Man, I want to see if he
got that winning skill. You gotta really check his background
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and see how good that was. But man, if he
got that winning skill by perk, because he might make
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now dB coach for the Bears, Mike Adams. What's up, baby?
What's going on? Big dog? Ain't nothing? Man? I see
you got them on them game balls? Man, Bronco Jersey's Man.
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You know what I'm saying. Where you at right now?
That man cave? Yeah, you already know the man cave. Bro.
I told you I get that. Once I get that.
Hang up here, man, I got good. We on that.
We on that like a sap. Were already on that.
It's already at work in progress. Let's get to it.
So you you went, uh you went to Delaware? First
play you played that Delaware? You from there? No, I'm
(08:05):
from Patterson, New Jersey. I went to Years. I thought
it's from like east coast, but Delaware not too far
from that. H huh h A two hour drive wasn't
nothing easy? So how you how so how you end
up there? So? Um, it's funny because of the linebacker
coach uh Chicago Bears, um Bill McGovern. He was he
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was actually recruiting me out of Pittsburgh. So I thought
I was gonna be I thought I was gonna go
to Pittsburgh. But he ended up saying, oh, I'm too small.
He gonna uh, we know, we don't want you. And
then that so I ended up going to Delaware. That
was the smallest school. That was all that was all
from me. So I ended up going in So I
give him ship all Oh my bad, No, you're good.
We say we say ship all that on this show.
(08:49):
I give him ship all the time from not bringing
me to Pittsburgh. But I ended up at Delaware. Long
story show. My mom was telling me, don't worry about
you didn't get an education first anyway, but you know
how that goes. Ended up going in University of Delaware.
Right then. Then sports ain't really like it's big in Jersey,
but foot it was like more baseball, basketball, kind of
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East Coast hunt. It was not a Jersey for a while.
Now it's more basketball only because you know, when you're
in Texas Florida, CALLI right, it's warm all year round,
so exactly all year round you could do that. You
could be outside, you know when this time here we'll
be balling summertime. That's what we played footballing exactly. I
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got me a couple of years. Man, my daddy was
in training New Jersey, so I was in there. I
was in that mud for a couple of years. Man,
for real, Cleveland and Train New Jersey all the way
into like eighth grade for real. You know what I'm saying.
So I I'm telling you, I jumped out the ports
up there. My first squabbles all that was Train New Jersey.
But for real, we was we was out there. So boom,
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you go to where you go San franc out of
free agent, signed with San Fran. You moved around a
couple of times where you really got comfortable at what
team was it was? It was it the coast, or
wasn't Denver. So when I went undrafted to uh san Fran,
I was there for three years. Ended up going to Cleveland.
I I like, I like Cleveland. That fan base, that
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fan base was just dope. I loved it. Yeah, the atmosphere,
but the coaching and the and the upper management, the
way things was handled, I just it just wasn't it
wasn't it. So I ended up going to Denver. Denver.
You saw the difference coming from Cleveland to Denver. You
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saw you said. It was just clear, you know what
I'm saying. But I felt more comfortable definitely once I
got to Denver. But then when I got to the
Coast Shoot, I couldn't go to the mall without being
like exactly exactly. So that was like my breath. Like
when when I was with the coach, that's when I like, damn,
I made it. You know what? Ye pro probos came
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in Indy, right, they started coming in back to back,
back to back. When you had six pigs back to back,
five pigs back to back, yeah, I think, yeah, fine,
fine pick back back. Hey, hey that's doing that that
that are doing? M get five picks back to back. Hey,
you can't go to the moro normal you get your
food ball when you go to Dunking Donnuts. You know
what I'm saying. That a door just being undrafted and
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then being able to not being being acknowledged. You know
what I'm saying exactly exactly. I think it was more
of a respecting like you know, as football players, our
accolades is you know, we're gonna hang our hat on.
That's how good I was my talk. I went to
the Pro Bowl twice. Firstop plant, like I'm saying, you
always got that and your your plate is what got
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you that. So hell yeah you if you go first round,
you still I don't want to be the one who
went first round and fall down. I want to be
one win first round, then turn pro Bowl, then turn
What I'm saying, it's you know, that's that's part of
our nature, bro, We're always trying to get a little
bit more and a little bit more. That's that dog.
That's dofu man for real. So you was in Indie.
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You was with a with a pay pay hunh p
hey pay yeah boy paying Oh no, no, no, I
was with him in Denver. It was within him in Denver. Okay.
So when I left, that's when you came. Okay, all
right then so it was with Luck. Yeah, I was
with Luck. So we was the original North flies on
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na I hear you know. So you was in Denver
so you got that good Denver paying Yeah, Yeah, I
was out. Yeah that was whim when he dropped with
that fifty touchdown. Yeah, So you was there. That's the
year before I came. So yeah, it was that was
the year talk about that talk about talk about playing
with paying man and you know something you learn from
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as far as on the coaching side of the player's side,
both so as you know, like he the way he prepares.
To me, it was like insurmountable, like because I'm again,
I was coming from Cleveland and we had losing records
I think four out of the five years I was there,
and just to see winners being around Champ Bailey, seeing
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the way he prepared, being where I'm taking, seeing the
way he prepared. I remember even though we lost that
Baltimore game, him like you know, it was supposed to
it was warm all week and he dunk in his
hand in some cold water just to throw the ball,
you know what I'm saying. And watching film, the extra
film work, seeing him there early getting their lake, and
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I promise you that just just seeing that it propelled me,
like it propelled my game. Yeah, because he was He
was a great leader, you know what I'm saying that, Uh,
everybody didn't always agree with what he said. You can't
sugarcoat that ship, like because sometimes you know, I felt
like he ran the damn team. I'm like, damn, what's up? Like,
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but you gotta respect it, you know what I'm saying.
In the sense he do. He and he earned that
though you know exactly. He prepared like I could run
this team, so the same man I was around Payton,
I was wrong time before I was around paying And
I feel like once I got around that caliber of preparation,
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it was like, oh ship, I ain't I ain't doing enough.
It made me want to do more. I gotta I
gotta keep up. I even had him tearing me up
and practice and talk to noise and looking at me
like he ain't one of them guys. I felt like,
if I can get that approval from him, from them,
then that was one of my accolades. I promised you.
That's exactly the way I felt I had to step
my game up because they was already on a whole
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another level where I was trying to hell yeah, hell yeah.
So now you're making that transition, you know what I'm
saying from the grass to what they call at the office.
I guess what I'm saying, you're getting that coaching. So
you just finished your first O T A S as
a coach. What's the difference, all right? First off, like
playing for sixteen years and then going into that room
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and I'm at the computer, the whole time just scouting,
just watching players. You know what I'm saying. My eyes hurting,
I'm getting headaches, I can't type, my typing skills is low,
I can't do a power point. My Excel game is down.
Like it's like a whole different realm, you know what
I'm saying. So I acclimate. I got used to it now,
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I'm cool with all that stuff now picking it up.
But I think that was one of the hardest parts,
just just the computer work. So and I think the
difference is like um transitioning what you learn. Just think
about it, playing for sixteen years and you learn things
a certain way, and now you're coaching, and now you
gotta teach somebody that these skills. But you gotta when
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you teach them, you gotta teach them at like you're
talking to a kid, like the first one on one. Yeah,
it's like one on one because you gotta break everything down.
I think that that's the hardest train position. I can't
be like, hey, hey, leave you got a same flat,
you got a mounting up? Yeahs. They'd be like, huh,
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what do you mean? So if he keep going, do
I keep him or do I let him go? Exactly.
You got a one on one them, right, you got
a one on one everything. So what so what's been
the best part, Like the part where you be like,
I'm on his coach side now that I really enjoy
this something. What's been the best part of it? Uh?
Just being around the players? Yeah, in the respect you
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know what I'm saying, Like they knew who I am.
I shi, I just all right, So they knew who
I was, and they're like, oh damn, I used to
watch you respect. So they asked me questions, picked my brain.
And I think that's the most comfort in part, just
being around the fellas again because when I was when
I got there, you know, you know Danny, Danny he
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cracking joke my dog, and he see the familiar faces,
you understand, Yeah, and he crashed somebody and I want
to get in and crack jokes too. But I'm like, damn,
you're a coach now, I'm I got a chill now,
Danny trade that's my brother too many Sure you tell Danny,
I said what it do? I talked to him all
the time though, Man, I will bro But when when
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you realize that you wanted the coach when you like
because you're just retired. You don't have much time to
think about it. So when you realize you want to
do that. I didn't like I wanted to get in
on the GM side, you know what I mean. But
speaking Naggaty naggy Um the head coach there, So a
lot of people don't know that was my teammate in college. Yeah, yeah,
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we was teammates and Cords. So we played that what
do you played quarterback? He was quarterback. He was he
was trash. He was trash. He was like that. He
was like that. He was not like that. That's what
I saw. So so fun fact need him and um
Brett Beach, Yeah, the GM for Kansas City. He was
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on the same team together in college. That's crazy. We
all played together. Yeah. So but anyway, like that transition.
So when I um, I called him up and I'm like, yeah,
I'm thinking about getting into coaching because I wanted to
get on the g M side. But right, they make
it hard, man, It's hard. They make you crawl for
you walk. Huh. You gotta get some time in in
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this building. You gotta scout, you gotta you gotta. Yeah,
So I got in where I fit in. You know
what I'm saying. Now, I'm I'm actually learning both sides,
like the scouting and like you know, coaching and scouting. Yeah,
that's what's up, man, That's what something crazy. Hours with
them hours like two hours it's two hours before the
players come in, two hours after the players go home.
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Huh maybe three hours real. That's why I think I
can't coach for a minute. I think I gotta take
a ten year break or something because I ain't ready
for I can't. I ain't ready for them hours again, Bro,
I need ten I need to be forty four forty
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five like all right, I'll started coach and now I
get some gags. Man, Look, I need this time. Bro.
The I was crazy. Yeah, I ain't even lie. Bro,
Like it wasn't bad in O T S because you
know it's O T A S. They let you do
your work. You go home right, all right. But now
when camp starts, when I go back, I think it's
a twenty two. And I saw the schedule. I was
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looking for a break. Mm hmm. I'm like, as soon
as we have to field me up in there, we're
watching film be great in it. Then after that go downstair?
Did we go back up stairs, go back to the
drawing board for the next day. I'm like, bro, it's
it's a break. You're trying to get a lift in
and all that. And I know I see them coaches,
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but they'd be on the clock, they eating, eating, watching film,
trying to grade it, like telling, yeah, I don't know
if I'm I don't know if I'm ready for them hours. Man.
But looking back on your career though, Uh, who's some
of the coaches or not at you You're not at
your coaching. Is it any coaches that you would take
something from. I learned this from him. I'm gonna kind
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of implement that in my style. Or is there any
coaches who are gonna play a party in a your
coaching career? Yeah? Good question, bro Um John fox Yeah, Foxy,
that's my guy right there. I called him for advice
and I and I talked to him. Um, I'm definitely
taking something from Foxy. Um. I won't take anything from Well.
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I would take a little bit from Mangini a little bit.
Not because the thing about him, like he was smart,
like one of the smartest coaches I have ever been around,
but he just wasn't a people's person. He just wasn't
a guy that you wanted to talk to. So but
you learn from that too, though I'm saying that that
that's my point. I learned what not to do from him.
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I learned what to do from Foxy and Um Mix
a little bit of um Jack del Rio because we
didn't see out of eye, but I respected his saying
yeah at all. But I remember with Jack like that.
But but I respect Jack that Rio the name though,
I respect what you do, no question. Like the schemes
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he put together, I'd be like, you got it, bro,
he got yam. So for those are the top three
coaches where I learned something from and I'm like, I'm
not gonna do that. I'm gonna do this and stuff
like that. So so five years from now, man, what's
what's your goal? What's your dream? Man? Where you would
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be at I'd be a d C d C yeah, yeah,
be a head coach, problem tim, be a head coach.
I can see it because I mean people who don't
know you, man, look my dog nickname Pops in the locker.
Wom what I'm saying everybody, We're gonna call him Pops.
You know what I'm saying. That's that's how much O G.
That's how much game, that's how smart he is. It's
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how you handle this business, what I'm saying. So when
you say DC, you see head coach, baby, I can
see it. You know what I'm saying, because I might
be ready to gettend if you're head coaching, I'll be
ready to coach. Now, let me get the DV. Know
I'm saying, Hey, hey pop, I appreciate it. Man. You
know what I'm saying. Uh, get into the house and
all that. So I appreciate it. Man. Anytime you got
anything foundation related, any news you want to break, Man,
(22:09):
we got a dope pass platform. Hit me up, baby,
We'll bring you on him and break it. Oh yeah,
no doubt. Love is love, bro. I appreciate you having me. Man.
You already know baby, we're catching face, ye
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(00:26):
today we got, you know, a couple of fan questions
about the preseason. So the first one said, uh, what
has caught my attention? After the first two weeks of
being in the box calling games? I say, Man, how
hard these guys playing. Man, I don't know if I
maybe because I always was the first round pick and
the starter. I never was really in there playing that hard.
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And then you know, after the game, you you're paying attention,
but you're just kind of a fan. You're walking around,
you laughing, you kind of have fun on the sideline.
So I don't know, I'm just looking at it through
a different light. Right now up in that box, I'm
really paying attention to the game. And man, these guys
is playing hard. Man. You see guys flying around. It's
really the super Bowl for all these guys. Man, it's
(01:09):
kind of the back end of the rosters and all
these guys as guys who played football since Pop Warner,
and they all the way to get to this opportunity
right here in the preseason to make a team. Man,
and they at that last they right at that last
little I'm right here, I'm on the team. I gotta
make the team. I got an opportunity to make a
team and fighting for this spot. It's crazy, man. It's
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good to see the competition. Man, it's it's it's super
Bowl like when you think about it, Man, if you
take all the back half of these rosters. Man, these
guys are playing Super Bowl hard and I enjoy watching it. Man,
these these these guys out here and making plays. Uh,
playing with tremendous effort, and uh, it's crazy just watching it.
Front the booth man, you you you look at in
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a different light. Second question, what teams have surprised you
or disappointed you so far? I'm definitely gonna say the Broncos.
Ship the Broncos. They offenses looking crazy, explosives. They got
a quarterback competition out there, Drew lock And and Teddy
(02:13):
bridge Water. They're both looking good. Now. Shoot, I don't
know who in the league right now. I say, Teddy,
I think you take care of the ball a little
bit better. But they're both looking good. They both looking explosives. Man,
I've seen I've seen Hamdler go up top. I've seen
Judy go up top a few times. Man, Suthing gonna
get back in the mix. He's gonna be the best
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number two, if not number one, him and Judy. You know,
Judy really the number one, but Sutton probably top three
and fifty fifty balls. Man, that's a good old line
over there. That offense is looking explosive right now. Man.
And we know what they're gonna do on defense, so
that might be a top five defense. Man. You asked
the chance to that defense and corner at those vests
Fuller Dorby. Man, there might be a top five defense.
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So I know it's just preseason, but man, you come
out of you drop thirty points a game. I mean
the o C that the team like how the o
C calling the game. They're taking shots down field. They
might be they might be surprising, man, And we kind
of downgrading them because of that quarterback controversy. But I
think that's a super good team out there in Denver.
Number three. Uh, what rookie has stood out or disappointed?
(03:23):
In this preseason. I'm gonna go right right where I've
been watching. I'm gonna stay right where I've been watching.
I'm gonna say Bryce Perkins, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna
say Bryce Perkins the quarterback for the Rams probably gonna
be their number three quarterback. They're probably gonna keep them. Man,
this guy's been sitting in the pocket, going through his progressives,
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looking just as calm as calm could be. Man. And
when things go left and nobody's open, or you know,
he feel a little pressure, then boom, he gets off scheduled.
He created an extra second. He making players with his legs. Man,
I think I think he's been looking a lot better
than than what I remember. So impressive, man, impressive. I
(04:05):
think if you put him in there with the starters
right now, I mean, you know, Matt Stafford starting, but
I think if you put him in there with the
starting old line and the starting receivers right now, I
think he'd be able to make place, he'd be able
to hold it down. So him and Warford, Man, that's
that's two good backups in case things go less and
uh in l A. But Bryce Perkins, I think he's
playing good football. Hopefully they're able to keep him, but
(04:27):
somebody gonna want to use him. If you watch this
tape and you see how he's running the show man,
how he getting them guys in and out the huddle,
Sean bragging on him, Sean love how he running the show.
How smooth the offense looked while he in there. So
Bryce purpose man, shout out Bryce's purpose. The question is
can he win these games? Now? The first game he's subbed,
he rotated, so one all on him. But the second
(04:50):
game he played the entire game. He's gonna play the
entire Broncos game as well. But uh, can he win games?
Because I always say winning is a skill. So no
matter what's going on in the game, if it's close
at the end, some guys like pay mannys in time homes.
Some guys just know how to get it done in
the fourth I don't care what players we called breakdown.
(05:10):
I'm gonna make this play happens. Scrumble, boom, hit, somebody
get us in field goal range or whatever. He did
miss a throw at the end of the game too.
If they would have got that, if you'd have got
that throw, caught that pass over there, Uh, they needed
that two points, So I mean, I think he got
sacked on the two point, but he missed the throw
and the fathing he came back and through the tub.
But Kenny win, Man, I want to see if he
got that winning skill. You gotta really check his background
(05:32):
and see how good that was. But man, if he
got that winning skill by perk, because he might make
a name in this league, then my takes for the day.
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What's going on? Big dog? Ain't nothing? Man? I see
you got them on them game balls? Man, Bronco Jersey's Man.
(07:43):
You know what I'm saying. Where you at right now?
That man cave? Yeah, you already know the man cave. Bro.
I told you I get that. Once I get that.
Hang up here, man, I got good. We on that.
We on that like a sap. Were already on that.
It's already at work in progress. Let's get to it.
So you you went, uh you went to Delaware? First
play you played that Delaware? You from there? No, I'm
(08:05):
from Patterson, New Jersey. I went to Years. I thought
it's from like east coast, but Delaware not too far
from that. H huh h A two hour drive wasn't
nothing easy? So how you how so how you end
up there? So? Um, it's funny because of the linebacker
coach uh Chicago Bears, um Bill McGovern. He was he
(08:25):
was actually recruiting me out of Pittsburgh. So I thought
I was gonna be I thought I was gonna go
to Pittsburgh. But he ended up saying, oh, I'm too small.
He gonna uh, we know, we don't want you. And
then that so I ended up going to Delaware. That
was the smallest school. That was all that was all
from me. So I ended up going in So I
give him ship all Oh my bad, No, you're good.
We say we say ship all that on this show.
(08:49):
I give him ship all the time from not bringing
me to Pittsburgh. But I ended up at Delaware. Long
story show. My mom was telling me, don't worry about
you didn't get an education first anyway, but you know
how that goes. Ended up going in University of Delaware.
Right then. Then sports ain't really like it's big in Jersey,
but foot it was like more baseball, basketball, kind of
(09:09):
East Coast hunt. It was not a Jersey for a while.
Now it's more basketball only because you know, when you're
in Texas Florida, CALLI right, it's warm all year round,
so exactly all year round you could do that. You
could be outside, you know when this time here we'll
be balling summertime. That's what we played footballing exactly. I
(09:30):
got me a couple of years. Man, my daddy was
in training New Jersey, so I was in there. I
was in that mud for a couple of years. Man,
for real, Cleveland and Train New Jersey all the way
into like eighth grade for real. You know what I'm saying.
So I I'm telling you, I jumped out the ports
up there. My first squabbles all that was Train New Jersey.
But for real, we was we was out there. So boom,
(09:51):
you go to where you go San franc out of
free agent, signed with San Fran. You moved around a
couple of times where you really got comfortable at what
team was it was? It was it the coast, or
wasn't Denver. So when I went undrafted to uh san Fran,
I was there for three years. Ended up going to Cleveland.
I I like, I like Cleveland. That fan base, that
(10:12):
fan base was just dope. I loved it. Yeah, the atmosphere,
but the coaching and the and the upper management, the
way things was handled, I just it just wasn't it
wasn't it. So I ended up going to Denver. Denver.
You saw the difference coming from Cleveland to Denver. You
(10:32):
saw you said. It was just clear, you know what
I'm saying. But I felt more comfortable definitely once I
got to Denver. But then when I got to the
Coast Shoot, I couldn't go to the mall without being
like exactly exactly. So that was like my breath. Like
when when I was with the coach, that's when I like, damn,
I made it. You know what? Ye pro probos came
(10:53):
in Indy, right, they started coming in back to back,
back to back. When you had six pigs back to back,
five pigs back to back, yeah, I think, yeah, fine,
fine pick back back. Hey, hey that's doing that that
that are doing? M get five picks back to back. Hey,
you can't go to the moro normal you get your
food ball when you go to Dunking Donnuts. You know
what I'm saying. That a door just being undrafted and
(11:21):
then being able to not being being acknowledged. You know
what I'm saying exactly exactly. I think it was more
of a respecting like you know, as football players, our
accolades is you know, we're gonna hang our hat on.
That's how good I was my talk. I went to
the Pro Bowl twice. Firstop plant, like I'm saying, you
always got that and your your plate is what got
(11:43):
you that. So hell yeah you if you go first round,
you still I don't want to be the one who
went first round and fall down. I want to be
one win first round, then turn pro Bowl, then turn
What I'm saying, it's you know, that's that's part of
our nature, bro, We're always trying to get a little
bit more and a little bit more. That's that dog.
That's dofu man for real. So you was in Indie.
(12:04):
You was with a with a pay pay hunh p
hey pay yeah boy paying Oh no, no, no, I
was with him in Denver. It was within him in Denver. Okay.
So when I left, that's when you came. Okay, all
right then so it was with Luck. Yeah, I was
with Luck. So we was the original North flies on
(12:26):
na I hear you know. So you was in Denver
so you got that good Denver paying Yeah, Yeah, I
was out. Yeah that was whim when he dropped with
that fifty touchdown. Yeah, So you was there. That's the
year before I came. So yeah, it was that was
the year talk about that talk about talk about playing
with paying man and you know something you learn from
(12:47):
as far as on the coaching side of the player's side,
both so as you know, like he the way he prepares.
To me, it was like insurmountable, like because I'm again,
I was coming from Cleveland and we had losing records
I think four out of the five years I was there,
and just to see winners being around Champ Bailey, seeing
(13:09):
the way he prepared, being where I'm taking, seeing the
way he prepared. I remember even though we lost that
Baltimore game, him like you know, it was supposed to
it was warm all week and he dunk in his
hand in some cold water just to throw the ball,
you know what I'm saying. And watching film, the extra
film work, seeing him there early getting their lake, and
(13:30):
I promise you that just just seeing that it propelled me,
like it propelled my game. Yeah, because he was He
was a great leader, you know what I'm saying that, Uh,
everybody didn't always agree with what he said. You can't
sugarcoat that ship, like because sometimes you know, I felt
like he ran the damn team. I'm like, damn, what's up? Like,
(13:51):
but you gotta respect it, you know what I'm saying.
In the sense he do. He and he earned that
though you know exactly. He prepared like I could run
this team, so the same man I was around Payton,
I was wrong time before I was around paying And
I feel like once I got around that caliber of preparation,
(14:13):
it was like, oh ship, I ain't I ain't doing enough.
It made me want to do more. I gotta I
gotta keep up. I even had him tearing me up
and practice and talk to noise and looking at me
like he ain't one of them guys. I felt like,
if I can get that approval from him, from them,
then that was one of my accolades. I promised you.
That's exactly the way I felt I had to step
my game up because they was already on a whole
(14:35):
another level where I was trying to hell yeah, hell yeah.
So now you're making that transition, you know what I'm
saying from the grass to what they call at the office.
I guess what I'm saying, you're getting that coaching. So
you just finished your first O T A S as
a coach. What's the difference, all right? First off, like
playing for sixteen years and then going into that room
(15:00):
and I'm at the computer, the whole time just scouting,
just watching players. You know what I'm saying. My eyes hurting,
I'm getting headaches, I can't type, my typing skills is low,
I can't do a power point. My Excel game is down.
Like it's like a whole different realm, you know what
I'm saying. So I acclimate. I got used to it now,
(15:23):
I'm cool with all that stuff now picking it up.
But I think that was one of the hardest parts,
just just the computer work. So and I think the
difference is like um transitioning what you learn. Just think
about it, playing for sixteen years and you learn things
a certain way, and now you're coaching, and now you
gotta teach somebody that these skills. But you gotta when
(15:46):
you teach them, you gotta teach them at like you're
talking to a kid, like the first one on one. Yeah,
it's like one on one because you gotta break everything down.
I think that that's the hardest train position. I can't
be like, hey, hey, leave you got a same flat,
you got a mounting up? Yeahs. They'd be like, huh,
(16:08):
what do you mean? So if he keep going, do
I keep him or do I let him go? Exactly.
You got a one on one them, right, you got
a one on one everything. So what so what's been
the best part, Like the part where you be like,
I'm on his coach side now that I really enjoy
this something. What's been the best part of it? Uh?
Just being around the players? Yeah, in the respect you
(16:28):
know what I'm saying, Like they knew who I am.
I shi, I just all right, So they knew who
I was, and they're like, oh damn, I used to
watch you respect. So they asked me questions, picked my brain.
And I think that's the most comfort in part, just
being around the fellas again because when I was when
I got there, you know, you know Danny, Danny he
(16:48):
cracking joke my dog, and he see the familiar faces,
you understand, Yeah, and he crashed somebody and I want
to get in and crack jokes too. But I'm like, damn,
you're a coach now, I'm I got a chill now,
Danny trade that's my brother too many Sure you tell Danny,
I said what it do? I talked to him all
the time though, Man, I will bro But when when
(17:10):
you realize that you wanted the coach when you like
because you're just retired. You don't have much time to
think about it. So when you realize you want to
do that. I didn't like I wanted to get in
on the GM side, you know what I mean. But
speaking Naggaty naggy Um the head coach there, So a
lot of people don't know that was my teammate in college. Yeah, yeah,
(17:31):
we was teammates and Cords. So we played that what
do you played quarterback? He was quarterback. He was he
was trash. He was trash. He was like that. He
was like that. He was not like that. That's what
I saw. So so fun fact need him and um
Brett Beach, Yeah, the GM for Kansas City. He was
(17:55):
on the same team together in college. That's crazy. We
all played together. Yeah. So but anyway, like that transition.
So when I um, I called him up and I'm like, yeah,
I'm thinking about getting into coaching because I wanted to
get on the g M side. But right, they make
it hard, man, It's hard. They make you crawl for
you walk. Huh. You gotta get some time in in
(18:17):
this building. You gotta scout, you gotta you gotta. Yeah,
So I got in where I fit in. You know
what I'm saying. Now, I'm I'm actually learning both sides,
like the scouting and like you know, coaching and scouting. Yeah,
that's what's up, man, That's what something crazy. Hours with
them hours like two hours it's two hours before the
players come in, two hours after the players go home.
(18:37):
Huh maybe three hours real. That's why I think I
can't coach for a minute. I think I gotta take
a ten year break or something because I ain't ready
for I can't. I ain't ready for them hours again, Bro,
I need ten I need to be forty four forty
(18:57):
five like all right, I'll started coach and now I
get some gags. Man, Look, I need this time. Bro.
The I was crazy. Yeah, I ain't even lie. Bro,
Like it wasn't bad in O T S because you
know it's O T A S. They let you do
your work. You go home right, all right. But now
when camp starts, when I go back, I think it's
a twenty two. And I saw the schedule. I was
(19:21):
looking for a break. Mm hmm. I'm like, as soon
as we have to field me up in there, we're
watching film be great in it. Then after that go downstair?
Did we go back up stairs, go back to the
drawing board for the next day. I'm like, bro, it's
it's a break. You're trying to get a lift in
and all that. And I know I see them coaches,
(19:42):
but they'd be on the clock, they eating, eating, watching film,
trying to grade it, like telling, yeah, I don't know
if I'm I don't know if I'm ready for them hours. Man.
But looking back on your career though, Uh, who's some
of the coaches or not at you You're not at
your coaching. Is it any coaches that you would take
something from. I learned this from him. I'm gonna kind
(20:03):
of implement that in my style. Or is there any
coaches who are gonna play a party in a your
coaching career? Yeah? Good question, bro Um John fox Yeah, Foxy,
that's my guy right there. I called him for advice
and I and I talked to him. Um, I'm definitely
taking something from Foxy. Um. I won't take anything from Well.
(20:24):
I would take a little bit from Mangini a little bit.
Not because the thing about him, like he was smart,
like one of the smartest coaches I have ever been around,
but he just wasn't a people's person. He just wasn't
a guy that you wanted to talk to. So but
you learn from that too, though I'm saying that that
that's my point. I learned what not to do from him.
(20:45):
I learned what to do from Foxy and Um Mix
a little bit of um Jack del Rio because we
didn't see out of eye, but I respected his saying
yeah at all. But I remember with Jack like that.
But but I respect Jack that Rio the name though,
I respect what you do, no question. Like the schemes
(21:06):
he put together, I'd be like, you got it, bro,
he got yam. So for those are the top three
coaches where I learned something from and I'm like, I'm
not gonna do that. I'm gonna do this and stuff
like that. So so five years from now, man, what's
what's your goal? What's your dream? Man? Where you would
(21:26):
be at I'd be a d C d C yeah, yeah,
be a head coach, problem tim, be a head coach.
I can see it because I mean people who don't
know you, man, look my dog nickname Pops in the locker.
Wom what I'm saying everybody, We're gonna call him Pops.
You know what I'm saying. That's that's how much O G.
That's how much game, that's how smart he is. It's
(21:47):
how you handle this business, what I'm saying. So when
you say DC, you see head coach, baby, I can
see it. You know what I'm saying, because I might
be ready to gettend if you're head coaching, I'll be
ready to coach. Now, let me get the DV. Know
I'm saying, Hey, hey pop, I appreciate it. Man. You
know what I'm saying. Uh, get into the house and
all that. So I appreciate it. Man. Anytime you got
anything foundation related, any news you want to break, Man,
(22:09):
we got a dope pass platform. Hit me up, baby,
We'll bring you on him and break it. Oh yeah,
no doubt. Love is love, bro. I appreciate you having me. Man.
You already know baby, we're catching face, ye
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