November 17, 2021 • 39 mins
Pro-Bowler, Super Bowl champion, and the originator of Tight End-U, Dallas Clark is Catchin’ Fades with Aqib Talib this week. Dallas and Aqib talk about their Peyton Manning memories, starting Tight End-U at Iowa, and the evolution of the Tight End position.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume Catching Phase is brought to you by Fan Duel.
It's never been easier to play fantasy on Fan Duel.
Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any other fantasy sport.
There's a contest for every fan Fan Duel more ways
to wine catching Phase. These my takes of the week.
(00:27):
We're gonna touch on that turn. We got a great
interview with Dallas Clark, the og Dallas Clark, y'all don't
want to miss it. Super entertaining. But Tarn, Tarn, this
here taunting is in the NFL. Now, when I first heard,
you know, they gonna throw flags for Tarn, I knew
what time it was, man, I knew that, Uh it
(00:49):
was the next part of the game that the NFL
wanted to clean up. What I'm saying, we've seen it before.
What I'm saying, Uh, I knew to go overboard, just
like all the other new rules, Dude, man, they all
go overboard. The ref's kind of overdo it. It's like
somebody tell the refs to overdo it. Overdo it until
they clean it up completely. And then you kind of
(01:09):
each back and you just called the the main the
main ones that that need to be called man. So
they did the same thing with the leap contact man.
They put the new rule and you can't touch receivers
after five. They threw crazy flags in the preseason. Early
in the season, they threw crazy, crazy flags. And once
the NFL dvs they kind of learned that they're gonna
(01:31):
flag us for everything. Then they kind of back off
with it. I guess they had their own ref meeting
or whatever they have. They kind of back off of it,
and they they call the ones that's necessary, and I
think now in today's game, they do a pretty good job.
I'm saying, calling the ones that's necessary, not calling a
little baby ones, not calling the accidental ones and things
(01:53):
like that. So they put the new rule in. It
was crazy at first, they cleaned it up. It's pretty
good now. I think they did the same thing. We
were like roughing the past or not roughing the pastor
they were throwing. Every single thing was crazy and may
they somewhat cleaned it up, but I think it's still
it's still some crazy ones now, it's still some mistakes
that get caught now, but I think they're still in
(02:13):
the process of cleaning it up. But for the most part,
I'm saying rough in the pastor it's cool. I think
that they might include it in in the in the replay,
in the replay thing, or next year whenever they had
their ref meeting, nor committee meeting or whatever it is,
they might include that. So now you can challenge you
can challenge it, and that'll probably be the last little
part of cleaning up rough in the pastor. But for
the most part, man, it's a rule change. You had
(02:36):
to adjust to, not dropping the quarterback, not hitting him
in his head, not hitting them low, not hitting them high.
You had to, you know, change your game. And uh,
I think for the most part, they do a good
job protecting the quarterbacks. That's what they wanted to get done,
and that's what they got done. Man. So ten weeks
into the NFL, now what I'm saying, I definitely hate
(02:57):
the taunting. Hate the cause man, to take the fun
away in the game, to take the take the emotion
away from the game, for the players, to take the
emotion away from the fans at the game, and the
fans who at the game they want to see a
guy get up and celebrate. They can feel that emotion.
Right if I'm at home watching on TV and I'm saying,
I got the best view in the house, the best
(03:17):
cameras right in his face. I want to see that guy,
that emotion on his face. I want to see him
get up to celebrate, man. And you can't do that. Man.
You're taking a lot from the game. You're taking a
lot of the a lot of the energy, a lot
of the energy that sell tickets and make money for
the game. You're taking a lot of that out of
the game. But I will say, the NFL has done
(03:37):
this before, you know what I'm saying. They put in
new rules before just to clean up certain parts of
the game. And I will say I think they've been successful. Man.
They wanted less, less holding, less dB play, and they
wanted to be less hands, the less wrestling matches, and
more skill. And I think you got that right now. Man.
It makes the points go up. It's more entertaining when
(04:00):
dvs make plays. It look better because they can't hold
on receivers like they used to do back in the
day and just break a ball up. You know what
I'm saying, you gotta really show skill, to take a
lot of skill to be a dB now because you
really can't touch guys, you know, what I'm saying. So
I think the NFL do a good job. Man, Uh
implement new rules in the game. They overdo it at
(04:20):
the beginning, and and they clean it up as they
go man, just like they did the targeting, know what
I'm saying, unnecessary roughness penalties. They threw every flag they
could throw. Every time you hit the guy was a flag.
They cleaned the game up. Now you barely see guys
going across the middle getting they block knocked off. You
barely see guys uh leading with the crown of their head,
(04:41):
you know what I'm saying. Because the rest through so
many flags that kind of pushed it out our game,
you know what I'm saying. And now they call the
ones that they posed a car. You barely see them
mess that up. Sometimes, of course they're gonna mess something up,
but I feel like it's under control right now. Man.
The same thing that happened with the ton The NFL
is just trying to clean up the game, make it more,
make the sportsmanship of the game a little bit better,
(05:02):
trying to take away all the unnecessary penalties. They're overdoing
it right now. As time go on, I think they
get it under control and that they are call the
ones that's necessary to call the regular ones. They're leave
it alone. Man. That's about takes for the day. Stay tuned.
We got Dallas Clark coming up. We're catching Phase baby.
(05:23):
Fan Duel sports Books want you to get the most
out of every NFL game day. That's why we're giving
everyone a ten dollar risk free bet every week. All
you have to do is better same game part lay
bet with three lags or more. If the bet doesn't win,
Fan Duel will pay you back up to ten dollars.
Like this Thursday. I like the Patriots minus seven on
the road. I like the game to go under, and
(05:44):
I like the Patriots to score first. I love betting
on all the NFL. Actually when Fan Duel sports Book
because the payoffs are as little as two hours and
it's super easy to use. There's no fitting like nell
in the same game part lay beat. So locking your
bed today on Fan Duel sports Book and get up
the ten bucks back if your bet doesn't win New
the Fandor sports book. They are also offering a risk
(06:06):
free one thousand dollar bet if you prefer that. Just
sign up with the promo code Phase and if your
first bet loses you get up to one thousand dollars
back in site credit. That's promo code phase disclaimer. You
must be twenty one older president Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan,
New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia or West Virginia. Refund issued as
(06:28):
a non withdrawal site credit that expires in seven days.
Max refund ten dollars. Restrictions supply see terms at sports
book dot FanDuel dot com. Same game parlay available for
multiple sports in all states. Mobile slash web gambling problem
called one hundred next step or text next step to
five three three four two in Arizona one eight seven
(06:51):
eight nine seven seven seven, or visit CCPG dot org
s last chat in Connecticut one hundred gambler or visits
fan duel dot com slash RG in Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey,
Virginia one hundred to seven zero seven seven for confidential
help in Michigan, t N red Line eight nine nine
(07:13):
seven eight nine in Tennessee, visit www dot hundred gambler
dot net in West Virginia. If we got a legend
man pro Bowler, All Pro Super Bowl Champion Dallas Clark,
what's up, baby, what's up for? Keep are you doing? Man?
I'm all good man. I've seen you out at the
at the ceremony, were celebrating Payton, and I told you
(07:35):
I was gonna come on here and get you. Man,
you gotta come to the show. Now, I know. I'm
glad you followed through because you know, it's one of
those things that you you know, during nights like that,
you see a lot of things to people. Yeah, you
don't know whether you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, is he
gonna remember that? If I canna remember that? You know,
I mean, well tonight, right, I mean that it's just
(07:57):
special and and and that you know, obviously we're teammates,
but to have that connection obviously with Peyton was even
more special. So that was awesome to see you there. Yeah,
definitely was a dope night, man. So let's talk about
Dallas though. You know, how does it retire? Like how
retired life treating you? Man? What you do with all
this time? You know, I tell you what it's uh,
(08:19):
you know, you know, it's funny. Keep how remember how
we always had that ultimate excuse, like you know and
people like hey man, I got this, you know this
fundraiser in October nope, sorry season, you know you knows,
excuse it is right, I mean it's just it's a
it's a solid one too. It's like, hey, you can
catch me on Sunday. You know it's valid. Like I'm
(08:42):
I'm seriously busy. But but now like you just think
like oh, I'm just gonna relax, hit second gear, and
it's like you're going to overdrive. I mean it's just
now now everyone can can reach out and like, hey,
I know you're not playing anymore. I know that that
was open, you know. So but it's good. Good. We've
got three kids. They're they're in like the travel baseball, basketball,
(09:06):
all that stuff. So yeah, so that's been been keeping
us busy. But farming. I'm back back home back in Iowa.
UM an organic farmer, small small operation kind of hobby
farming and uh we do uh organic oats and corn
up here a keeps. So next time you have you know,
some sweet I don't do. I I do corn that
(09:28):
feeds the organic animals like the chickens and the cows.
So when when you have organic milk or organic chicken,
think think of think of your old boyfriend. I got
we drink ourganic milk in my house to man, two milk. Man,
that's going on through my refrigerator right now, Hey, little
(09:49):
go go whole milk sometimes just I mean, yeah, yeah, man,
I was telling you all my life. You know, I
got the wife and the kids. Now they see think
organic milk is healthier for him, my guests, but you
know that my bones already did what they need to do.
I'm good that well, I'm good. We see how this
(10:11):
organic two? So exactly, you're from uh Soux Falls, South Dakota, right, Yeah.
I was born there. I have two older brothers and
we're all born there. But we moved back home to
where where we live now. My folks are both from
this area, so we both moved back. They moved back
(10:31):
to Livermore, Iowa, when I was probably about two years old.
So I you know, Sue Falls claims me um and
you know it's it's documented, it's it's you know, it's
in the court records. Uh you know, but I'm an Iowan, man,
I mean it is. I love suit Falls in South Dakota.
That but I don't know. I mean, you know, I
(10:52):
was two years old, so but I mean I'm an island.
So I mean that's really how you fell in love
with football Being in Iowa. Oh well, I fell in love.
I have two older brothers who were pretty athletic. Our
oldest brother, Dan was really kind of the trailblazer. He
graduated and uh and in our small town, like I graduated,
thirty two kids. Uh, you know, they probably graduated with
(11:14):
twenty and you know, twenty five ish around there. We
had a big, big class for thirty two kids. And uh,
you know, I thought Dan went and played Division three
basketball or baseball and football, and so went to all
his his games. And really that's kind of when it's like, oh,
this is cool, you know. I you know, everyone had
(11:36):
their heroes like Herschel Walker and you know, Emma Smith
and all those cats. But growing up like mine was
like Trenton Aholz, who was the running back for Simpson
College where Dan played. And and then you fast forward
a couple more years and then my other brother Derek,
he went big time. He got he got a scholarship,
played Division one Iowa State, and then it was it
was then the key that going to his games and
(11:57):
seeing those stadiums we went, you know, road tripped out
the boulder, you know, did the Nebraska thing. You know,
all these you know, Case State, all these schools, Kansas, Hello,
shout on to your Jayhawks. Are you gonna help them all?
Or are you just try that everybody don't everybody don't
want help. I'm going to recon see that everybody don't
(12:20):
want to help. Man, I try. I'm saying, I'm gonna
just continue doing what I do. I'm gonna just keep
trying to help him because that's the type of person
I am. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I
think of Kansas football like that brick wall behind you.
Just I mean just there're just there's this huge object
into the way of success, Like what is and what
is that? Well that's another podcast, but uh but no,
(12:41):
you know so, but I remember when Derek's his very
first they're playing wy on Me because their very first
the first Vision one game at Iowa State, and I
remember being a jack Try stadium and looking down and
just being like, this is this is what I want
to do. This is this is what I want to
do and uh, and so it was just kinda put
into motion. Then. You know, you gotta visualize at first
(13:02):
before you can even achieve anything. So that was kind
of the first that's the first time it was like,
I want to do what's gonna happen? I don't. I
don't think it's gonna happen. You know. Again, I'm from
thirty two kids in this class, I you know zero.
You know, we didn't have social media back so no
one knew me. And uh so, I mean it's it's
it's kind of it's kind of crazy looking back on
(13:24):
how it all at all unfolded? Yeah, it is? Is?
Was it always Iowa? Though? Was? Did you? Did you?
Was you see the Iowa's Thames like, I want to
go to Iowa? No? Actually, I keep what it was was,
you know, very small school, so I didn't get the exposure.
And so what I did was I went down to
Simpson College, Dan was after he graduated. He became an
(13:46):
assistant coach there. I used their film room and this
is back in the day dating ourselves here but HS tape.
Hey right, amen? And so it took all my all
my games for my senior year, made a little cut up,
made a made a little highlight tape, and I sent
and and I sent him all to like my my
brother Derek, and played I was state. He went to
(14:07):
Juco and then went to Iowa State. And my, my, my,
My five year game plan was I want to get
into the Division one program. And then by that fifth year,
after I read shirt, of course, maybe I'll make special
teams like you know that, and then I'll let her
like that. That That was the that was. That was
a five year plan. So I sent out a highlight
tape to Wisconsin. You know, all the big you know,
(14:30):
the Division one schools around Iowa. Colorado obviously had to
go out there because it's a ute, gorgeous Nebraska. Iowas Iowa,
and and out of all those schools, Iowa was the
only school that called and said, hey, got your video,
and I know and and Cuba, I will I guarantee you.
My brother played at Iowa State. Um, he got screwed
(14:51):
over his senior year. Let's just say that. You know,
he got was kind of getting rotated in. He was really,
you know, really good and one of those cases, you
know the scenarios. I was like, Okay, I ain't going
I ain't going to Iowa State. They're they're they're messing
out with my brother. I ain't doing that. So I
didn't send them a tape and I swear Iowa looked
at this like wait a minute. His brother's Derek Clark,
(15:13):
and I, you know, starting linebacker. And I was stayed,
like let's give him a call. Why is he you know?
And so so I swear that was the only reason
they called. I mean, I doubt if they saw something
in my field that they were impressed with, but but
you know, they called, and and so I wish I
could say, like, you know that that that awesome Iowa story,
like oh I grew up a hawkkeeye, which of my
(15:34):
you know, my family did. We were Yeah, but it wasn't. Man,
it was like they were the only people that called it.
It was like prop you know, It's like oh yeah,
oh I had so many people asked me. I just
you know that. You know, No, no, I hadn't what
you right, So you had no idea that she was
basically starting tidy and you no, No, I I was starting.
(15:58):
I was starting linebacker. You. I walked on as a linebacker,
and uh. I was a quarterback and linebacker at high
school and uh and so my brother played linebacker, and
so that's what I wanted to be. I was like, Okay,
I gotta be better. Than my brother. And uh, and
so I walked on as a linebacker, and and it
was funny, you know, just doing all the drills and
like the off season all that stuff, just crushing it
(16:20):
just you know, had the speed, had that you know
it was growing into that was really getting faster. And
never had training, never lifted weights in high school, didn't
do and didn't do any of that stuff. So yeah, right,
I had to learn hand clean and as a freshman
and yah, you know, kids come in like they're already
pr and in hankling. I had to like, hang, what
what what are you talking about? You know, so so
(16:42):
these athletes are these kids are so much more advanced
and exposed to so many more things, which is good
and bad. But so you know, so I came in
and and uh, I wanted to be a linebacker. But
then when I went out and played and practiced as
a linebacker, I sucked. And it was it was like, wait,
he showing these athletic abilities. But then why you know,
Coach Farren's like, okay, we need to we need a
(17:04):
new route. And Coach Farrens, thank god, UH made me
switch to tight end. Otherwise otherwise we would have never
known each other. Keep because I know your path would
have been good. You're you're good. It would have never
been a tight end you he would That's even more important, right,
(17:24):
you are the creator of tighten you, Dallas. You gotta
own that. Man. If you say, all right, if we
call him tight end you, now we gotta start at
where's the first one to go crazy? It was Dallas Card.
So you know, I keep keep. I'm not gonna stop you.
I'm not gonna you can say that all you are.
Please don't run, run, please, please don't, please don't, please don't.
(17:48):
This is my show. And you are the creator of
tight end. You may you take that. Yeah, I'm saying,
thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right. So look,
your last year at IOWA, I mean two is two
years and I hawa, man, you had twelve hundred uh
eight ties downs, go crazy, boom, two thousand, two thousand three.
You go to the Coats. What I'm saying, You're going
to locker room with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harris and Payton
(18:10):
Edge and James. How did football change for you at
that point? Uh? Well, trying to figure out what the
hell am I doing in this huddle? I mean it
was like, I mean, I was like, hey, can I
get you guys popcorn? You guys want you to look
a little thirsty, a little little cotton mouth. You know. No,
you guys good? I mean keep it was. It was unbelievable.
(18:33):
It was just unbelievable to be in that locker room
and be around those men. You know, that was my
third year really playing tight end. So I mean I
I switched, made the switch. Uh, played tight end two years,
came out early, and that that rookie year was my
third time play third year playing tight end. So I
was still so green, still trying to figure out that
(18:54):
you know the position, and and uh and really Peyton,
I mean obviously I had phenomena Chris First there was
my tight ends coach, unbelievable coach, and uh and obviously
Peyton he just he kind of told you how to
do things too. And Tom Moore, Howard Howard mud All,
I mean he should be all. I mean just want
(19:14):
to if not the best offensive lining coach ever in
the NFL. And and you know he should be in
the Hall of Fame. But uh, that guy he mf
me every day, like he just he just like I
got in his way, like God, the tight ends you
can't block. And I'm like and I and I'm like,
bull crap, I can block. I'm a blocking tight end,
you know, Like I took offense to that I wanted to.
(19:36):
I never wanted to come out of the out of
the game. So I'm like, Okay, I have to block,
but I have I gotta be blocking first and second down.
I can't be one of these things that just comes
in and and goes and gets the first down. And
and uh, you know, I want to be I want
to be at all. I want to do it all.
And and you know I took a lot of pride
in that and and and man, they pushed me. And
(19:56):
I owe everything to all those guys I mentioned, and
obviously coach Dungee. I mean, you can't get any better
than out of keep. So I mean it's uh, it's
it's remarkable. I mean, shame on me if I didn't
have success. I mean, because the teams I played for
him are my last year in Iowa. I mean we
had I mean we were loaded and uh and then
(20:18):
and then uh I went to the Orange Bowl and
did all that stuff and had an unbelieva offensive line
and Brad Banks leading US and then coach Farren's best
coach ever. And then you go to the NFL where
you don't get right and you get Payton and you
get I mean come on now, like like just like
the manual is, don't screw up exactly. And then so
(20:41):
paying them seeing all that that that them let them
two years of tight end and uh I what an
Orange Bowl game? All that, And I'm sure they had
a lot to do with paying, probably lobbying for you,
we need this passcords and tight in because the game
kind of changed. Man. I feel like when Payton started
dominating what I'm saying, he kind of upgraded the tight
end position man, and you and Payin got a lot
(21:04):
to do with that. Yeah, yeah, I I think I
think you're right. I mean, I think there was a
lot you know during that in you know two thousand three,
my rookie year. You know, the Polts offense, they loved
being in two tight ends set. You know, they loved
the ability to have that kind of that, you know,
more blocking. But you had a good receiving, you know,
they had we had Marcus Pollard, phenomenal, phenomenal veteran for me,
(21:27):
I mean talk about a guy that just I mean
who had I mean, he's a college basketball player, I
mean never played football and I mean literally played college basketball,
comes to uh, comes to the league and has you know,
thirteen year career. Unbelievable. And so to have that guy
as a mentor every day learning watching him how to
be a pro was unbelievable. And uh and and really
(21:50):
it was kind of that revolution of that position of
you know, you know slot, you know Slot, Brent put
them all out wide motion in you know, just kind
of I mean just really it kind of evolved. I mean,
I think that's kind of where they wanted. I wanted
it to go, but you know, it was kind of
more what they kind of felt comfortable what I could handle.
(22:10):
Obviously I was wanting like, hey, let's go. But but
man if I screwed up one little thing, that dope
dope next week, you know, you know, so they spoon
fed at big time, you know, where I was just
kind of like, come on, I'll get, I'll get, let's go,
let's go. You know, but they they're very very conservative
with that. But yet we're still able to do a
lot of things. And you know, obviously at that time.
(22:31):
It's Tony Gallice. I mean, that was that was the guy.
Is the guy, will always be the guy. So it's
kind of a it's kind of overshadowed a little bit
of what we were doing, you know, over an Indie
with him, which which is okay, it's I mean that
dude was catching und you know under under he was
he was the white thought. But he was just a big,
(22:52):
big cat. He was just you know, he was kind
of the that era of Gronkowski, you know, just kind
of that big, huge mismatch and mismatch, you know. And
then uh, Antonio Gates. You know, I I have the
utmost respect and I you know, I I really whenever
it's like, oh, you know you guys, you know, that
was kind of the air that changed the position. I'm like, well,
Antonio Gates, I think you know, what him and uh
(23:15):
and and Philip Rivers did over there was just I
mean they're just kind of over there slinging the ball
backyard style. I mean three seconds to run a corner route, yeah,
corner out over there. Yeah. I mean so so really
it was kind of you know, us and you know,
(23:36):
and and then I think, really, you know, and then
I and I think Tony was just on a whole
another level. I mean he was he was their offense
and you know, you know for so long, and they
didn't really have any other options. It's so it was.
It was just one of those things that we were
able to kind of kind of evolve the position with
also having Hall of Fame receivers with Marvin Redge. I
(23:58):
mean it kind of it's a great complimentary, uh to
those guys' abilities exactly. Uh So in my opinion, man,
you Tony g and then of course, but with paying
what y'all was doing, man, it made it were the
system like you they created like they created like this
is a system for a tight end. You know what
(24:19):
I'm saying, tight didn't get the ball. You don't have
to be Tony Guns Outlets basketball player six. You don't
have to be that in order to use your tight end.
You could create a system, make him like one of
the wide house. And I feel like that's what y'all
was doing. Man, y'all, you know, he gotta have a
little speed, he gotta have some real hands because he's
gonna be over the middle in traffic. But I feel
like you really propelled that tight end part of position
(24:40):
because you know, Tony g is a special guy. Man,
he almost could go to any team and you just
throw it up to him. He not really propelling the position.
And because he's just a physical mismatch. Really, what I'm saying, like, man,
God like you though, Man, you you prepare the position
because you're not Tony g Oh I am not. And
(25:01):
and but it was awesome was the ability to to
you know, what I think was kinda was the way
the reason it worked is because if I had to block,
I could block and it wasn't wasted down like they
could come behind me. But then also if Peyton saw
something and the ability obviously everyone knows Peyton's ability, you
(25:24):
know the code words you had to you know, you
had you had to try to defend it at practice
and and so I mean, it's just it's one of
those things that there's nothing like we got spoiled, like
like after Peyton, like that's the football I've fell in love,
that's the that's a football I know. And so you know,
the huddling and all that stuff, and like like seeing
(25:45):
a play, it's like okay, we're not checking out of this, No,
we're gonna run it okay because that guy's one on
one over or why aren't we throwing him the ball?
You know, or something like that, where just have that
flexibility and and I you know, it doesn't work if
you don't have those those uses that can you know,
handle it mentally, but you know physically exactly. So we
(26:06):
both got a chance to be in the same locker
room with Peyton Man. We both got a chance to
to celebrate when when he went in that Hall of Fame. Man,
So you just tell me something what you think, what
you think it was that may pay and so special.
Oh GOLLI we don't have do you have a do
you have a time limit on this on your show?
We didn't make it quick. We just keep it to
(26:27):
one thing, you know, I keeping you know what I think.
I will always say he's the best. You know. Obviously
Tom Brady's got you know, all the de accolades and
the rings and all that stuff. But you know, I
think what what makes Peyton Peyton is you know he
you know, Tom, Tom was kind of part of a system,
(26:49):
you know, and Tom didn't have a lot um you know,
he didn't he had a lot of responsibilities, but he
didn't have to do so much. We're eat And I
think he is the only way he knows he is
He's the only it's the only way he knows how
to do it. Understands it of just you know, he
(27:10):
needs to be comfortable, and so everyone had to kind
of understand like where we need to be, and you know,
and and and and whether it's you know, whether it's
just you know, micromanaged, don't you know, whatever you want
to say, it's just it was a system that everyone
knew where the balls. I mean, my dad would always
be it's like, oh, why don't you why think he's
(27:30):
throwing the ball? And it's you know, it's like, dude,
like when he stopped the ball, we knew where the
ball was going because you know, the coverage is what
we're calling. Like he just it was you know, he
you just knew where. You just kind of became part
of his mind. And and and that's the only way
the way it worked is if you understood the system.
And and I think his just knowledge of just seeing
(27:54):
Blitz is understanding defensive weaknesses. Um, he wasn't the most
gifted specimen running extended plays, So I mean he had
to beat you with his mind and his arm. I
mean that ball was I mean I always said, like,
if Peyton had to force the ball into it is
probably getting picked, you know, because he he was just
(28:16):
he was so methodical and so good. I mean ball placement.
It wasn't pretty when his in the air, but man
it was I mean it was in your numbers, or
it was high where only you could get it, or
lower only I mean just his extension of the game
of seeing, his vision of seeing. You know, he would
(28:36):
always say like if guys, if a linebacker safety is
like looking at you, he's not covering him, He's like
you're open, you know, and then you learn to like
run and know that that ball is gonna come right
over your ear. You know the defender, you know, and
just you know, the trust and the faith and the repetition,
like not many quarterbacks have that trust in themselves. And
(28:57):
you know, just his confidence and just hit his craft
was just unmatched and his and obviously well documented. His
preparation is just, uh, no one, no one prepares, no
one ever prepare like like that guy. And that and
that trickled down to every position like that made that
(29:18):
up game. Uh, you know, prepping and watching film and
on defense I wanted, we wanted to be like we
felt like, all right, we know paying them gonna scored
thirty ship. We can't let somebody come out here and
scored thirty three and beat us. Like so we felt
like we gotta be on our ship because what I'm saying,
we got pay in like M saying, we always got
(29:38):
a chance to win with paying. So it made us
prepare and work harder just because we played with him,
trickle down us well keep it is not Isn't that
funny how a guy has that effect? And that's why
I think, like I think, maybe that's maybe that's that's
my answer. That's the answer I always give Dallas. I
just say, man, his his presence. I don't know, I
(30:01):
don't know what when when that president. It might have
started at Tennessee ship, I don't know, but I know
since I put up that presence of him always being
on history, always being on time, him just being leading
by example, always knowing exactly where everybody else puposed to be,
exactly what we who we supposed to protect, that ship
trickled down throughout the whole building, and you feel like
if Peyton doing it, if Peyton here on day one
(30:22):
O t a on time. Shoot, I gotta do it
to you know what I'm saying. So I feel like
just his presence, man, it was crazy. Hey, keep you
got on this answer? Okay? So I saw you in Tampa. Alright,
we're teammates in Tampa, and you know we had you know,
we had an interesting year together. Uh you know, just
uh you know, uh coach Ciano first year in the league,
(30:42):
and you know, and I and and I remember the
key to leave I remember is front row, um, you know,
kind of down, you know, maybe maybe a hood, you know,
just just not you know, and some could read into
this as not respectful, respectful or just not interesting, not interested.
(31:06):
You know how, just answer us and you know we
can go. We don't. You don't need to go into
anything at Tampa or Denver. How did you sit during
team meeting or or or yeah, team meeting. Did you
did you bring the slout to you to Denver by
once somebody? Once I got to Denver? Yeah, nah, I
mean he really really it was. It was left Tampa
(31:30):
and I went to New England, right, So I feel
like once I got to New England, that's when boom,
I turned to a professional. What I'm saying, it's it's
just little stuff. You see Tom sitting in the front row.
Bill might say something to somebody else looking sloppy and
leaning down in the meeting room. And so then that
kind of makes you say, oh, ship, like, let me
get up. I'm never gonna do that again. So one
(31:52):
thing after another, man I say from New England on
is that's when I started to take like my job serious,
Like all right, I'm just a young guy who wanted
to come to the NFL. Now I'm here, and right
now I'm just here. I started to really be like, shit,
I'm talented. I I might could be the best here, right,
so let me turning on my professionalism. And I think
New England helped me a lot with that. Well, and
(32:14):
and I'll tell you what and and credit and compliments
to you because you you played that way in New England,
and then it carried over into Denver. And then when
when by the time you got to Denver, then you
really became that leader of that defense, right you know,
I mean then you knew your place, your your voice,
(32:34):
your position, what you were in charge of, and and
and and the and the presence and the impact that
you had, and it was kind of you know, and
I think you had to have those experiences early in
your career just kind of see like whoa this you know,
is this you know? What kind of player do I
want to be? What kind of you know? You know,
you can see how you know leaderships and you know,
(32:56):
roles and and all that, and and then obviously you
go to a well oil machine like New England, it's
you know, it's kind of the way with the Colts
as well. It's like do you either you fit in? Yeah,
and there's it's it's no hard feelings, it's just like, hey,
this is how we do things. Yeah. Yeah. And so
you know, I think, you know, a place like that
(33:16):
is just you know, I think guys either get it
and you know and and and I think it really
helps you become a pro of just like okay, this
is right? You know. So that that definitely it was
awesome watching you because I always kept track of you,
and I've had a lot of respect for you, you know,
and I understood what you know you're trying to do.
(33:40):
Uh at Tampa Young really good defense that we had,
I mean, is Avante David isn't an awesome to I mean,
I was like crazy, I mean, yeah, I mean he
is just like I know, I know he won't remember me,
but I was like that dude, I saw. I mean,
he was fescial, like you know, day one. It's just like, man,
(34:02):
he's got if he stays healthy and he's he has
and it's just like, man, he's fun. He is he is.
I mean, but just that some good players on that
team though, really good, really good. It's just oh it,
you know, and that just shows you that, you know,
It's just that's what makes this game so great to keep,
(34:24):
is that you can have all the talent in the world,
but if we're not all like going the same direction,
forget it. It doesn't work. Best team sport, best team
sport in the world, man, always the best team sport
in the World's been a little current. Man, what about
the tight ends in the league right now? Man? Who
you like? Oh, you know, I think it's a fun
(34:45):
it's a you know, it's kind of like, you know,
obviously a very different level of you know, but you know,
we had so many good, great quarterbacks in this league
where you're just like, man, how is this league gonna
look without a Pete Manning and Drew Is Tom Brady.
It's just like man, you know, but it's kind of
like the same thing with the tight ends, where you know,
it's like, gosh, what's life gonna look like without Gronkowski
(35:08):
And you know, Tony in Zalas and Tony gets you know,
all there's those cats. And when I tell you what
it's you know, we have a guys like Darren Waller, right,
they're coming, t J. Hockenson, Noah fan Oo. Boys gotta
give those you know you're talking about tight end you
those you know, those boys are just really evolving and
developing into their young and the young bull of fire music,
(35:29):
each trying to heat, trying to do something. Tuna, dude,
he stay, he stay, he stay stay say man and
and so I mean so then I mean you just
got so many well heck. And and then like you could,
I gets Pitts Like what is Pitts? Like? I mean,
is he is he Julio Jones? I mean it looks
like more on the Tony guns out side to me,
(35:49):
like a lot out, but he's tight in, but he
more wide out. But he's a freak. Uh you know.
So it's just and then Obviously you have the household
names of the Kelsey's and Kiddles, um you know, and
Art's and and and those cats. But I tell you
what they're They're tight end. I think is growing because
it's trickled down to the end or to college where
(36:11):
I think, you know, I think even colleges are looking
for those type of guys, those basketball by you know,
forward type guys that can take a hit, good hands,
um you know, and and and and really learn how
to use them because it is I mean, as you
probably know, I mean just you know, having that tight
end or receiving tight end, it's just it's just it's
(36:32):
just annoying for defenses. It's just you know, it's just
one of those things that you know, it's just like,
oh crap, one the it is one time you you
take your eye off a seam, boom, there goes a
tight end ripping down the field for forty three yards.
You know. It's just you know, so you know, tight
ends are are becoming so much more valuable and offenses,
and I think offenses are getting are developing to include them.
(36:56):
But it takes those type of cats, those those big
r bowl guys that can block, can go beat them. Yeah,
I mean, so it's not they're not easy to find.
But man, when you have one man, you can you
can go along ways with them. Definitely can one thing.
One thing. I will end this and I don't I
(37:17):
haven't seen it or read it, but it's just, you know,
maybe I need to maybe we can, you know, maybe
this will be the first time it's been addressed. But
you look back at all the world, you know, all
the world the super Bowl champions, all right, look at
all the offenses that in the last fifteen years, all
the you know, super Bowl champion teams. Obviously most of
(37:40):
them are probably pretty good offensively, guarantee you they have
a tight end that was a baller in their offense.
You know, I don't think it's a coincidence. I don't
think it's a coincidence that a Super Bowl team needs
to have that tight end, you know, to to to
kind of create those those mismatches and really be able
(38:01):
to kind of move the ball, security blanket all that stuff.
You know. I really think, you know, obviously I'm gonna
just you know, shout top of my lungs about tight ends,
but I think I think I think that's a good
I think that's a good argument. You know, I think
that's good good numbers, and and I haven't done the work,
but you just link back, and you know, you think
back of all the you know obviously you know New England, Gronkowski,
(38:25):
Aaron Hernandez, uh, you know, and then you think about
you know, you think, uh, Kansas City, Uh, you know Kelsey.
So it's just, uh, it's just one of those things
that I think you could keep going back New Orleans,
Jimmy Graham. Uh, you know. So it's just it's one
of those things that, uh, they really are vital and
and and and and a huge part of offenses. So
(38:48):
but no, that's we already no doubt we need, Baby,
we need the tight ends and offense need tight ends.
That but we have apreciate you, Hey, does I ain't
gonna hold you no more. Baby. We appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you living up to your word, baby coming
on the show. Hey, thank hey you lived up your word. Man,
(39:09):
you you invited. I appreciate anytime man, I had a ball,
had had a ball. Great seeing you and uh, you'd
be safe and we'll catch you down the road. Hey,
we catch a phase. That's Dallas, Clark
The volume Catching Phase is brought to you by Fan Duel.
It's never been easier to play fantasy on Fan Duel.
Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any other fantasy sport.
There's a contest for every fan Fan Duel more ways
to wine catching Phase. These my takes of the week.
(00:27):
We're gonna touch on that turn. We got a great
interview with Dallas Clark, the og Dallas Clark, y'all don't
want to miss it. Super entertaining. But Tarn, Tarn, this
here taunting is in the NFL. Now, when I first heard,
you know, they gonna throw flags for Tarn, I knew
what time it was, man, I knew that, Uh it
(00:49):
was the next part of the game that the NFL
wanted to clean up. What I'm saying, we've seen it before.
What I'm saying, Uh, I knew to go overboard, just
like all the other new rules, Dude, man, they all
go overboard. The ref's kind of overdo it. It's like
somebody tell the refs to overdo it. Overdo it until
they clean it up completely. And then you kind of
(01:09):
each back and you just called the the main the
main ones that that need to be called man. So
they did the same thing with the leap contact man.
They put the new rule and you can't touch receivers
after five. They threw crazy flags in the preseason. Early
in the season, they threw crazy, crazy flags. And once
the NFL dvs they kind of learned that they're gonna
(01:31):
flag us for everything. Then they kind of back off
with it. I guess they had their own ref meeting
or whatever they have. They kind of back off of it,
and they they call the ones that's necessary, and I
think now in today's game, they do a pretty good job.
I'm saying, calling the ones that's necessary, not calling a
little baby ones, not calling the accidental ones and things
(01:53):
like that. So they put the new rule in. It
was crazy at first, they cleaned it up. It's pretty
good now. I think they did the same thing. We
were like roughing the past or not roughing the pastor
they were throwing. Every single thing was crazy and may
they somewhat cleaned it up, but I think it's still
it's still some crazy ones now, it's still some mistakes
that get caught now, but I think they're still in
(02:13):
the process of cleaning it up. But for the most part,
I'm saying rough in the pastor it's cool. I think
that they might include it in in the in the replay,
in the replay thing, or next year whenever they had
their ref meeting, nor committee meeting or whatever it is,
they might include that. So now you can challenge you
can challenge it, and that'll probably be the last little
part of cleaning up rough in the pastor. But for
the most part, man, it's a rule change. You had
(02:36):
to adjust to, not dropping the quarterback, not hitting him
in his head, not hitting them low, not hitting them high.
You had to, you know, change your game. And uh,
I think for the most part, they do a good
job protecting the quarterbacks. That's what they wanted to get done,
and that's what they got done. Man. So ten weeks
into the NFL, now what I'm saying, I definitely hate
(02:57):
the taunting. Hate the cause man, to take the fun
away in the game, to take the take the emotion
away from the game, for the players, to take the
emotion away from the fans at the game, and the
fans who at the game they want to see a
guy get up and celebrate. They can feel that emotion.
Right if I'm at home watching on TV and I'm saying,
I got the best view in the house, the best
(03:17):
cameras right in his face. I want to see that guy,
that emotion on his face. I want to see him
get up to celebrate, man. And you can't do that. Man.
You're taking a lot from the game. You're taking a
lot of the a lot of the energy, a lot
of the energy that sell tickets and make money for
the game. You're taking a lot of that out of
the game. But I will say, the NFL has done
(03:37):
this before, you know what I'm saying. They put in
new rules before just to clean up certain parts of
the game. And I will say I think they've been successful. Man.
They wanted less, less holding, less dB play, and they
wanted to be less hands, the less wrestling matches, and
more skill. And I think you got that right now. Man.
It makes the points go up. It's more entertaining when
(04:00):
dvs make plays. It look better because they can't hold
on receivers like they used to do back in the
day and just break a ball up. You know what
I'm saying, you gotta really show skill, to take a
lot of skill to be a dB now because you
really can't touch guys, you know, what I'm saying. So
I think the NFL do a good job. Man, Uh
implement new rules in the game. They overdo it at
(04:20):
the beginning, and and they clean it up as they
go man, just like they did the targeting, know what
I'm saying, unnecessary roughness penalties. They threw every flag they
could throw. Every time you hit the guy was a flag.
They cleaned the game up. Now you barely see guys
going across the middle getting they block knocked off. You
barely see guys uh leading with the crown of their head,
(04:41):
you know what I'm saying. Because the rest through so
many flags that kind of pushed it out our game,
you know what I'm saying. And now they call the
ones that they posed a car. You barely see them
mess that up. Sometimes, of course they're gonna mess something up,
but I feel like it's under control right now. Man.
The same thing that happened with the ton The NFL
is just trying to clean up the game, make it more,
make the sportsmanship of the game a little bit better,
(05:02):
trying to take away all the unnecessary penalties. They're overdoing
it right now. As time go on, I think they
get it under control and that they are call the
ones that's necessary to call the regular ones. They're leave
it alone. Man. That's about takes for the day. Stay tuned.
We got Dallas Clark coming up. We're catching Phase baby.
(05:23):
Fan Duel sports Books want you to get the most
out of every NFL game day. That's why we're giving
everyone a ten dollar risk free bet every week. All
you have to do is better same game part lay
bet with three lags or more. If the bet doesn't win,
Fan Duel will pay you back up to ten dollars.
Like this Thursday. I like the Patriots minus seven on
the road. I like the game to go under, and
(05:44):
I like the Patriots to score first. I love betting
on all the NFL. Actually when Fan Duel sports Book
because the payoffs are as little as two hours and
it's super easy to use. There's no fitting like nell
in the same game part lay beat. So locking your
bed today on Fan Duel sports Book and get up
the ten bucks back if your bet doesn't win New
the Fandor sports book. They are also offering a risk
(06:06):
free one thousand dollar bet if you prefer that. Just
sign up with the promo code Phase and if your
first bet loses you get up to one thousand dollars
back in site credit. That's promo code phase disclaimer. You
must be twenty one older president Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan,
New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia or West Virginia. Refund issued as
(06:28):
a non withdrawal site credit that expires in seven days.
Max refund ten dollars. Restrictions supply see terms at sports
book dot FanDuel dot com. Same game parlay available for
multiple sports in all states. Mobile slash web gambling problem
called one hundred next step or text next step to
five three three four two in Arizona one eight seven
(06:51):
eight nine seven seven seven, or visit CCPG dot org
s last chat in Connecticut one hundred gambler or visits
fan duel dot com slash RG in Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey,
Virginia one hundred to seven zero seven seven for confidential
help in Michigan, t N red Line eight nine nine
(07:13):
seven eight nine in Tennessee, visit www dot hundred gambler
dot net in West Virginia. If we got a legend
man pro Bowler, All Pro Super Bowl Champion Dallas Clark,
what's up, baby, what's up for? Keep are you doing? Man?
I'm all good man. I've seen you out at the
at the ceremony, were celebrating Payton, and I told you
(07:35):
I was gonna come on here and get you. Man,
you gotta come to the show. Now, I know. I'm
glad you followed through because you know, it's one of
those things that you you know, during nights like that,
you see a lot of things to people. Yeah, you
don't know whether you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, is he
gonna remember that? If I canna remember that? You know,
I mean, well tonight, right, I mean that it's just
(07:57):
special and and and that you know, obviously we're teammates,
but to have that connection obviously with Peyton was even
more special. So that was awesome to see you there. Yeah,
definitely was a dope night, man. So let's talk about
Dallas though. You know, how does it retire? Like how
retired life treating you? Man? What you do with all
this time? You know, I tell you what it's uh,
(08:19):
you know, you know, it's funny. Keep how remember how
we always had that ultimate excuse, like you know and
people like hey man, I got this, you know this
fundraiser in October nope, sorry season, you know you knows,
excuse it is right, I mean it's just it's a
it's a solid one too. It's like, hey, you can
catch me on Sunday. You know it's valid. Like I'm
(08:42):
I'm seriously busy. But but now like you just think
like oh, I'm just gonna relax, hit second gear, and
it's like you're going to overdrive. I mean it's just
now now everyone can can reach out and like, hey,
I know you're not playing anymore. I know that that
was open, you know. So but it's good. Good. We've
got three kids. They're they're in like the travel baseball, basketball,
(09:06):
all that stuff. So yeah, so that's been been keeping
us busy. But farming. I'm back back home back in Iowa.
UM an organic farmer, small small operation kind of hobby
farming and uh we do uh organic oats and corn
up here a keeps. So next time you have you know,
some sweet I don't do. I I do corn that
(09:28):
feeds the organic animals like the chickens and the cows.
So when when you have organic milk or organic chicken,
think think of think of your old boyfriend. I got
we drink ourganic milk in my house to man, two milk. Man,
that's going on through my refrigerator right now, Hey, little
(09:49):
go go whole milk sometimes just I mean, yeah, yeah, man,
I was telling you all my life. You know, I
got the wife and the kids. Now they see think
organic milk is healthier for him, my guests, but you
know that my bones already did what they need to do.
I'm good that well, I'm good. We see how this
(10:11):
organic two? So exactly, you're from uh Soux Falls, South Dakota, right, Yeah.
I was born there. I have two older brothers and
we're all born there. But we moved back home to
where where we live now. My folks are both from
this area, so we both moved back. They moved back
(10:31):
to Livermore, Iowa, when I was probably about two years old.
So I you know, Sue Falls claims me um and
you know it's it's documented, it's it's you know, it's
in the court records. Uh you know, but I'm an Iowan, man,
I mean it is. I love suit Falls in South Dakota.
That but I don't know. I mean, you know, I
(10:52):
was two years old, so but I mean I'm an island.
So I mean that's really how you fell in love
with football Being in Iowa. Oh well, I fell in love.
I have two older brothers who were pretty athletic. Our
oldest brother, Dan was really kind of the trailblazer. He
graduated and uh and in our small town, like I graduated,
thirty two kids. Uh, you know, they probably graduated with
(11:14):
twenty and you know, twenty five ish around there. We
had a big, big class for thirty two kids. And uh,
you know, I thought Dan went and played Division three
basketball or baseball and football, and so went to all
his his games. And really that's kind of when it's like, oh,
this is cool, you know. I you know, everyone had
(11:36):
their heroes like Herschel Walker and you know, Emma Smith
and all those cats. But growing up like mine was
like Trenton Aholz, who was the running back for Simpson
College where Dan played. And and then you fast forward
a couple more years and then my other brother Derek,
he went big time. He got he got a scholarship,
played Division one Iowa State, and then it was it
was then the key that going to his games and
(11:57):
seeing those stadiums we went, you know, road tripped out
the boulder, you know, did the Nebraska thing. You know,
all these you know, Case State, all these schools, Kansas, Hello,
shout on to your Jayhawks. Are you gonna help them all?
Or are you just try that everybody don't everybody don't
want help. I'm going to recon see that everybody don't
(12:20):
want to help. Man, I try. I'm saying, I'm gonna
just continue doing what I do. I'm gonna just keep
trying to help him because that's the type of person
I am. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I
think of Kansas football like that brick wall behind you.
Just I mean just there're just there's this huge object
into the way of success, Like what is and what
is that? Well that's another podcast, but uh but no,
(12:41):
you know so, but I remember when Derek's his very
first they're playing wy on Me because their very first
the first Vision one game at Iowa State, and I
remember being a jack Try stadium and looking down and
just being like, this is this is what I want
to do. This is this is what I want to
do and uh, and so it was just kinda put
into motion. Then. You know, you gotta visualize at first
(13:02):
before you can even achieve anything. So that was kind
of the first that's the first time it was like,
I want to do what's gonna happen? I don't. I
don't think it's gonna happen. You know. Again, I'm from
thirty two kids in this class, I you know zero.
You know, we didn't have social media back so no
one knew me. And uh so, I mean it's it's
it's kind of it's kind of crazy looking back on
(13:24):
how it all at all unfolded? Yeah, it is? Is?
Was it always Iowa? Though? Was? Did you? Did you?
Was you see the Iowa's Thames like, I want to
go to Iowa? No? Actually, I keep what it was was,
you know, very small school, so I didn't get the exposure.
And so what I did was I went down to
Simpson College, Dan was after he graduated. He became an
(13:46):
assistant coach there. I used their film room and this
is back in the day dating ourselves here but HS tape.
Hey right, amen? And so it took all my all
my games for my senior year, made a little cut up,
made a made a little highlight tape, and I sent
and and I sent him all to like my my
brother Derek, and played I was state. He went to
(14:07):
Juco and then went to Iowa State. And my, my, my,
My five year game plan was I want to get
into the Division one program. And then by that fifth year,
after I read shirt, of course, maybe I'll make special
teams like you know that, and then I'll let her
like that. That That was the that was. That was
a five year plan. So I sent out a highlight
tape to Wisconsin. You know, all the big you know,
(14:30):
the Division one schools around Iowa. Colorado obviously had to
go out there because it's a ute, gorgeous Nebraska. Iowas Iowa,
and and out of all those schools, Iowa was the
only school that called and said, hey, got your video,
and I know and and Cuba, I will I guarantee you.
My brother played at Iowa State. Um, he got screwed
(14:51):
over his senior year. Let's just say that. You know,
he got was kind of getting rotated in. He was really,
you know, really good and one of those cases, you
know the scenarios. I was like, Okay, I ain't going
I ain't going to Iowa State. They're they're they're messing
out with my brother. I ain't doing that. So I
didn't send them a tape and I swear Iowa looked
at this like wait a minute. His brother's Derek Clark,
(15:13):
and I, you know, starting linebacker. And I was stayed,
like let's give him a call. Why is he you know?
And so so I swear that was the only reason
they called. I mean, I doubt if they saw something
in my field that they were impressed with, but but
you know, they called, and and so I wish I
could say, like, you know that that that awesome Iowa story,
like oh I grew up a hawkkeeye, which of my
(15:34):
you know, my family did. We were Yeah, but it wasn't. Man,
it was like they were the only people that called it.
It was like prop you know, It's like oh yeah,
oh I had so many people asked me. I just
you know that. You know, No, no, I hadn't what
you right, So you had no idea that she was
basically starting tidy and you no, No, I I was starting.
(15:58):
I was starting linebacker. You. I walked on as a linebacker,
and uh. I was a quarterback and linebacker at high
school and uh and so my brother played linebacker, and
so that's what I wanted to be. I was like, Okay,
I gotta be better. Than my brother. And uh, and
so I walked on as a linebacker, and and it
was funny, you know, just doing all the drills and
like the off season all that stuff, just crushing it
(16:20):
just you know, had the speed, had that you know
it was growing into that was really getting faster. And
never had training, never lifted weights in high school, didn't
do and didn't do any of that stuff. So yeah, right,
I had to learn hand clean and as a freshman
and yah, you know, kids come in like they're already
pr and in hankling. I had to like, hang, what
what what are you talking about? You know, so so
(16:42):
these athletes are these kids are so much more advanced
and exposed to so many more things, which is good
and bad. But so you know, so I came in
and and uh, I wanted to be a linebacker. But
then when I went out and played and practiced as
a linebacker, I sucked. And it was it was like, wait,
he showing these athletic abilities. But then why you know,
Coach Farren's like, okay, we need to we need a
(17:04):
new route. And Coach Farrens, thank god, UH made me
switch to tight end. Otherwise otherwise we would have never
known each other. Keep because I know your path would
have been good. You're you're good. It would have never
been a tight end you he would That's even more important, right,
(17:24):
you are the creator of tighten you, Dallas. You gotta
own that. Man. If you say, all right, if we
call him tight end you, now we gotta start at
where's the first one to go crazy? It was Dallas Card.
So you know, I keep keep. I'm not gonna stop you.
I'm not gonna you can say that all you are.
Please don't run, run, please, please don't, please don't, please don't.
(17:48):
This is my show. And you are the creator of
tight end. You may you take that. Yeah, I'm saying,
thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right. So look,
your last year at IOWA, I mean two is two
years and I hawa, man, you had twelve hundred uh
eight ties downs, go crazy, boom, two thousand, two thousand three.
You go to the Coats. What I'm saying, You're going
to locker room with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harris and Payton
(18:10):
Edge and James. How did football change for you at
that point? Uh? Well, trying to figure out what the
hell am I doing in this huddle? I mean it
was like, I mean, I was like, hey, can I
get you guys popcorn? You guys want you to look
a little thirsty, a little little cotton mouth. You know. No,
you guys good? I mean keep it was. It was unbelievable.
(18:33):
It was just unbelievable to be in that locker room
and be around those men. You know, that was my
third year really playing tight end. So I mean I
I switched, made the switch. Uh, played tight end two years,
came out early, and that that rookie year was my
third time play third year playing tight end. So I
was still so green, still trying to figure out that
(18:54):
you know the position, and and uh and really Peyton,
I mean obviously I had phenomena Chris First there was
my tight ends coach, unbelievable coach, and uh and obviously
Peyton he just he kind of told you how to
do things too. And Tom Moore, Howard Howard mud All,
I mean he should be all. I mean just want
(19:14):
to if not the best offensive lining coach ever in
the NFL. And and you know he should be in
the Hall of Fame. But uh, that guy he mf
me every day, like he just he just like I
got in his way, like God, the tight ends you
can't block. And I'm like and I and I'm like,
bull crap, I can block. I'm a blocking tight end,
you know, Like I took offense to that I wanted to.
(19:36):
I never wanted to come out of the out of
the game. So I'm like, Okay, I have to block,
but I have I gotta be blocking first and second down.
I can't be one of these things that just comes
in and and goes and gets the first down. And
and uh, you know, I want to be I want
to be at all. I want to do it all.
And and you know I took a lot of pride
in that and and and man, they pushed me. And
(19:56):
I owe everything to all those guys I mentioned, and
obviously coach Dungee. I mean, you can't get any better
than out of keep. So I mean it's uh, it's
it's remarkable. I mean, shame on me if I didn't
have success. I mean, because the teams I played for
him are my last year in Iowa. I mean we
had I mean we were loaded and uh and then
(20:18):
and then uh I went to the Orange Bowl and
did all that stuff and had an unbelieva offensive line
and Brad Banks leading US and then coach Farren's best
coach ever. And then you go to the NFL where
you don't get right and you get Payton and you
get I mean come on now, like like just like
the manual is, don't screw up exactly. And then so
(20:41):
paying them seeing all that that that them let them
two years of tight end and uh I what an
Orange Bowl game? All that, And I'm sure they had
a lot to do with paying, probably lobbying for you,
we need this passcords and tight in because the game
kind of changed. Man. I feel like when Payton started
dominating what I'm saying, he kind of upgraded the tight
end position man, and you and Payin got a lot
(21:04):
to do with that. Yeah, yeah, I I think I
think you're right. I mean, I think there was a
lot you know during that in you know two thousand three,
my rookie year. You know, the Polts offense, they loved
being in two tight ends set. You know, they loved
the ability to have that kind of that, you know,
more blocking. But you had a good receiving, you know,
they had we had Marcus Pollard, phenomenal, phenomenal veteran for me,
(21:27):
I mean talk about a guy that just I mean
who had I mean, he's a college basketball player, I
mean never played football and I mean literally played college basketball,
comes to uh, comes to the league and has you know,
thirteen year career. Unbelievable. And so to have that guy
as a mentor every day learning watching him how to
be a pro was unbelievable. And uh and and really
(21:50):
it was kind of that revolution of that position of
you know, you know slot, you know Slot, Brent put
them all out wide motion in you know, just kind
of I mean just really it kind of evolved. I mean,
I think that's kind of where they wanted. I wanted
it to go, but you know, it was kind of
more what they kind of felt comfortable what I could handle.
(22:10):
Obviously I was wanting like, hey, let's go. But but
man if I screwed up one little thing, that dope
dope next week, you know, you know, so they spoon
fed at big time, you know, where I was just
kind of like, come on, I'll get, I'll get, let's go,
let's go. You know, but they they're very very conservative
with that. But yet we're still able to do a
lot of things. And you know, obviously at that time.
(22:31):
It's Tony Gallice. I mean, that was that was the guy.
Is the guy, will always be the guy. So it's
kind of a it's kind of overshadowed a little bit
of what we were doing, you know, over an Indie
with him, which which is okay, it's I mean that
dude was catching und you know under under he was
he was the white thought. But he was just a big,
(22:52):
big cat. He was just you know, he was kind
of the that era of Gronkowski, you know, just kind
of that big, huge mismatch and mismatch, you know. And
then uh, Antonio Gates. You know, I I have the
utmost respect and I you know, I I really whenever
it's like, oh, you know you guys, you know, that
was kind of the air that changed the position. I'm like, well,
Antonio Gates, I think you know, what him and uh
(23:15):
and and Philip Rivers did over there was just I
mean they're just kind of over there slinging the ball
backyard style. I mean three seconds to run a corner route, yeah,
corner out over there. Yeah. I mean so so really
it was kind of you know, us and you know,
(23:36):
and and then I think, really, you know, and then
I and I think Tony was just on a whole
another level. I mean he was he was their offense
and you know, you know for so long, and they
didn't really have any other options. It's so it was.
It was just one of those things that we were
able to kind of kind of evolve the position with
also having Hall of Fame receivers with Marvin Redge. I
(23:58):
mean it kind of it's a great complimentary, uh to
those guys' abilities exactly. Uh So in my opinion, man,
you Tony g and then of course, but with paying
what y'all was doing, man, it made it were the
system like you they created like they created like this
is a system for a tight end. You know what
(24:19):
I'm saying, tight didn't get the ball. You don't have
to be Tony Guns Outlets basketball player six. You don't
have to be that in order to use your tight end.
You could create a system, make him like one of
the wide house. And I feel like that's what y'all
was doing. Man, y'all, you know, he gotta have a
little speed, he gotta have some real hands because he's
gonna be over the middle in traffic. But I feel
like you really propelled that tight end part of position
(24:40):
because you know, Tony g is a special guy. Man,
he almost could go to any team and you just
throw it up to him. He not really propelling the position.
And because he's just a physical mismatch. Really, what I'm saying, like, man,
God like you though, Man, you you prepare the position
because you're not Tony g Oh I am not. And
(25:01):
and but it was awesome was the ability to to
you know, what I think was kinda was the way
the reason it worked is because if I had to block,
I could block and it wasn't wasted down like they
could come behind me. But then also if Peyton saw
something and the ability obviously everyone knows Peyton's ability, you
(25:24):
know the code words you had to you know, you
had you had to try to defend it at practice
and and so I mean, it's just it's one of
those things that there's nothing like we got spoiled, like
like after Peyton, like that's the football I've fell in love,
that's the that's a football I know. And so you know,
the huddling and all that stuff, and like like seeing
(25:45):
a play, it's like okay, we're not checking out of this, No,
we're gonna run it okay because that guy's one on
one over or why aren't we throwing him the ball?
You know, or something like that, where just have that
flexibility and and I you know, it doesn't work if
you don't have those those uses that can you know,
handle it mentally, but you know physically exactly. So we
(26:06):
both got a chance to be in the same locker
room with Peyton Man. We both got a chance to
to celebrate when when he went in that Hall of Fame. Man,
So you just tell me something what you think, what
you think it was that may pay and so special.
Oh GOLLI we don't have do you have a do
you have a time limit on this on your show?
We didn't make it quick. We just keep it to
(26:27):
one thing, you know, I keeping you know what I think.
I will always say he's the best. You know. Obviously
Tom Brady's got you know, all the de accolades and
the rings and all that stuff. But you know, I
think what what makes Peyton Peyton is you know he
you know, Tom, Tom was kind of part of a system,
(26:49):
you know, and Tom didn't have a lot um you know,
he didn't he had a lot of responsibilities, but he
didn't have to do so much. We're eat And I
think he is the only way he knows he is
He's the only it's the only way he knows how
to do it. Understands it of just you know, he
(27:10):
needs to be comfortable, and so everyone had to kind
of understand like where we need to be, and you know,
and and and and whether it's you know, whether it's
just you know, micromanaged, don't you know, whatever you want
to say, it's just it was a system that everyone
knew where the balls. I mean, my dad would always
be it's like, oh, why don't you why think he's
(27:30):
throwing the ball? And it's you know, it's like, dude,
like when he stopped the ball, we knew where the
ball was going because you know, the coverage is what
we're calling. Like he just it was you know, he
you just knew where. You just kind of became part
of his mind. And and and that's the only way
the way it worked is if you understood the system.
And and I think his just knowledge of just seeing
(27:54):
Blitz is understanding defensive weaknesses. Um, he wasn't the most
gifted specimen running extended plays, So I mean he had
to beat you with his mind and his arm. I
mean that ball was I mean I always said, like,
if Peyton had to force the ball into it is
probably getting picked, you know, because he he was just
(28:16):
he was so methodical and so good. I mean ball placement.
It wasn't pretty when his in the air, but man
it was I mean it was in your numbers, or
it was high where only you could get it, or
lower only I mean just his extension of the game
of seeing, his vision of seeing. You know, he would
(28:36):
always say like if guys, if a linebacker safety is
like looking at you, he's not covering him, He's like
you're open, you know, and then you learn to like
run and know that that ball is gonna come right
over your ear. You know the defender, you know, and
just you know, the trust and the faith and the repetition,
like not many quarterbacks have that trust in themselves. And
(28:57):
you know, just his confidence and just hit his craft
was just unmatched and his and obviously well documented. His
preparation is just, uh, no one, no one prepares, no
one ever prepare like like that guy. And that and
that trickled down to every position like that made that
(29:18):
up game. Uh, you know, prepping and watching film and
on defense I wanted, we wanted to be like we
felt like, all right, we know paying them gonna scored
thirty ship. We can't let somebody come out here and
scored thirty three and beat us. Like so we felt
like we gotta be on our ship because what I'm saying,
we got pay in like M saying, we always got
(29:38):
a chance to win with paying. So it made us
prepare and work harder just because we played with him,
trickle down us well keep it is not Isn't that
funny how a guy has that effect? And that's why
I think, like I think, maybe that's maybe that's that's
my answer. That's the answer I always give Dallas. I
just say, man, his his presence. I don't know, I
(30:01):
don't know what when when that president. It might have
started at Tennessee ship, I don't know, but I know
since I put up that presence of him always being
on history, always being on time, him just being leading
by example, always knowing exactly where everybody else puposed to be,
exactly what we who we supposed to protect, that ship
trickled down throughout the whole building, and you feel like
if Peyton doing it, if Peyton here on day one
(30:22):
O t a on time. Shoot, I gotta do it
to you know what I'm saying. So I feel like
just his presence, man, it was crazy. Hey, keep you
got on this answer? Okay? So I saw you in Tampa. Alright,
we're teammates in Tampa, and you know we had you know,
we had an interesting year together. Uh you know, just
uh you know, uh coach Ciano first year in the league,
(30:42):
and you know, and I and and I remember the
key to leave I remember is front row, um, you know,
kind of down, you know, maybe maybe a hood, you know,
just just not you know, and some could read into
this as not respectful, respectful or just not interesting, not interested.
(31:06):
You know how, just answer us and you know we
can go. We don't. You don't need to go into
anything at Tampa or Denver. How did you sit during
team meeting or or or yeah, team meeting. Did you
did you bring the slout to you to Denver by
once somebody? Once I got to Denver? Yeah, nah, I
mean he really really it was. It was left Tampa
(31:30):
and I went to New England, right, So I feel
like once I got to New England, that's when boom,
I turned to a professional. What I'm saying, it's it's
just little stuff. You see Tom sitting in the front row.
Bill might say something to somebody else looking sloppy and
leaning down in the meeting room. And so then that
kind of makes you say, oh, ship, like, let me
get up. I'm never gonna do that again. So one
(31:52):
thing after another, man I say from New England on
is that's when I started to take like my job serious,
Like all right, I'm just a young guy who wanted
to come to the NFL. Now I'm here, and right
now I'm just here. I started to really be like, shit,
I'm talented. I I might could be the best here, right,
so let me turning on my professionalism. And I think
New England helped me a lot with that. Well, and
(32:14):
and I'll tell you what and and credit and compliments
to you because you you played that way in New England,
and then it carried over into Denver. And then when
when by the time you got to Denver, then you
really became that leader of that defense, right you know,
I mean then you knew your place, your your voice,
(32:34):
your position, what you were in charge of, and and
and and the and the presence and the impact that
you had, and it was kind of you know, and
I think you had to have those experiences early in
your career just kind of see like whoa this you know,
is this you know? What kind of player do I
want to be? What kind of you know? You know,
you can see how you know leaderships and you know,
(32:56):
roles and and all that, and and then obviously you
go to a well oil machine like New England, it's
you know, it's kind of the way with the Colts
as well. It's like do you either you fit in? Yeah,
and there's it's it's no hard feelings, it's just like, hey,
this is how we do things. Yeah. Yeah. And so
you know, I think, you know, a place like that
(33:16):
is just you know, I think guys either get it
and you know and and and I think it really
helps you become a pro of just like okay, this
is right? You know. So that that definitely it was
awesome watching you because I always kept track of you,
and I've had a lot of respect for you, you know,
and I understood what you know you're trying to do.
(33:40):
Uh at Tampa Young really good defense that we had,
I mean, is Avante David isn't an awesome to I mean,
I was like crazy, I mean, yeah, I mean he
is just like I know, I know he won't remember me,
but I was like that dude, I saw. I mean,
he was fescial, like you know, day one. It's just like, man,
(34:02):
he's got if he stays healthy and he's he has
and it's just like, man, he's fun. He is he is.
I mean, but just that some good players on that
team though, really good, really good. It's just oh it,
you know, and that just shows you that, you know,
It's just that's what makes this game so great to keep,
(34:24):
is that you can have all the talent in the world,
but if we're not all like going the same direction,
forget it. It doesn't work. Best team sport, best team
sport in the world, man, always the best team sport
in the World's been a little current. Man, what about
the tight ends in the league right now? Man? Who
you like? Oh, you know, I think it's a fun
(34:45):
it's a you know, it's kind of like, you know,
obviously a very different level of you know, but you know,
we had so many good, great quarterbacks in this league
where you're just like, man, how is this league gonna
look without a Pete Manning and Drew Is Tom Brady.
It's just like man, you know, but it's kind of
like the same thing with the tight ends, where you know,
it's like, gosh, what's life gonna look like without Gronkowski
(35:08):
And you know, Tony in Zalas and Tony gets you know,
all there's those cats. And when I tell you what
it's you know, we have a guys like Darren Waller, right,
they're coming, t J. Hockenson, Noah fan Oo. Boys gotta
give those you know you're talking about tight end you
those you know, those boys are just really evolving and
developing into their young and the young bull of fire music,
(35:29):
each trying to heat, trying to do something. Tuna, dude,
he stay, he stay, he stay stay say man and
and so I mean so then I mean you just
got so many well heck. And and then like you could,
I gets Pitts Like what is Pitts? Like? I mean,
is he is he Julio Jones? I mean it looks
like more on the Tony guns out side to me,
(35:49):
like a lot out, but he's tight in, but he
more wide out. But he's a freak. Uh you know.
So it's just and then Obviously you have the household
names of the Kelsey's and Kiddles, um you know, and
Art's and and and those cats. But I tell you
what they're They're tight end. I think is growing because
it's trickled down to the end or to college where
(36:11):
I think, you know, I think even colleges are looking
for those type of guys, those basketball by you know,
forward type guys that can take a hit, good hands,
um you know, and and and and really learn how
to use them because it is I mean, as you
probably know, I mean just you know, having that tight
end or receiving tight end, it's just it's just it's
(36:32):
just annoying for defenses. It's just you know, it's just
one of those things that you know, it's just like,
oh crap, one the it is one time you you
take your eye off a seam, boom, there goes a
tight end ripping down the field for forty three yards.
You know. It's just you know, so you know, tight
ends are are becoming so much more valuable and offenses,
and I think offenses are getting are developing to include them.
(36:56):
But it takes those type of cats, those those big
r bowl guys that can block, can go beat them. Yeah,
I mean, so it's not they're not easy to find.
But man, when you have one man, you can you
can go along ways with them. Definitely can one thing.
One thing. I will end this and I don't I
(37:17):
haven't seen it or read it, but it's just, you know,
maybe I need to maybe we can, you know, maybe
this will be the first time it's been addressed. But
you look back at all the world, you know, all
the world the super Bowl champions, all right, look at
all the offenses that in the last fifteen years, all
the you know, super Bowl champion teams. Obviously most of
(37:40):
them are probably pretty good offensively, guarantee you they have
a tight end that was a baller in their offense.
You know, I don't think it's a coincidence. I don't
think it's a coincidence that a Super Bowl team needs
to have that tight end, you know, to to to
kind of create those those mismatches and really be able
(38:01):
to kind of move the ball, security blanket all that stuff.
You know. I really think, you know, obviously I'm gonna
just you know, shout top of my lungs about tight ends,
but I think I think I think that's a good
I think that's a good argument. You know, I think
that's good good numbers, and and I haven't done the work,
but you just link back, and you know, you think
back of all the you know obviously you know New England, Gronkowski,
(38:25):
Aaron Hernandez, uh, you know, and then you think about
you know, you think, uh, Kansas City, Uh, you know Kelsey.
So it's just, uh, it's just one of those things
that I think you could keep going back New Orleans,
Jimmy Graham. Uh, you know. So it's just it's one
of those things that, uh, they really are vital and
and and and and a huge part of offenses. So
(38:48):
but no, that's we already no doubt we need, Baby,
we need the tight ends and offense need tight ends.
That but we have apreciate you, Hey, does I ain't
gonna hold you no more. Baby. We appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you living up to your word, baby coming
on the show. Hey, thank hey you lived up your word. Man,
(39:09):
you you invited. I appreciate anytime man, I had a ball,
had had a ball. Great seeing you and uh, you'd
be safe and we'll catch you down the road. Hey,
we catch a phase. That's Dallas, Clark
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Intentionally Disturbing
Join me on this podcast as I navigate the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people—all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, I offer a unique interview style and a low tolerance for bullshit, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. I honor the seriousness while also appreciating wit. I’m your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.