October 2, 2025 • 51 mins
Matt and Mary stir up trouble at The Varsity, Lucy cuts corners on her paper, and Simon coaches Ruthie through the Star-Spangled Banner. Finally on the same page, Bev, Mack & David break down all the Camden chaos in Season 1 / Episode 13: "America’s Most Wanted.”
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, guys, this is catching up with the Camdens and
we are going to do some rewatches today. I'm Kensey Rosman, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
David Gallagher, and I'm Beverly Mitchell. And what episode are
we doing today? Because I think today we are actually
on the same page talking about the same episode, which
was not last week.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Maybe I've paid for this maybe, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The injury is still out. What episode are we doing? Mac,
you take the lead, so that way, if I made
a mistake, I'll just roll with it.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are doing America's Most Wanted.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, and the real one, the real one, Yes, yes,
I think, I think, maybe not the one that we
thought we watched, but it the title.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, no, yeah, we all two thirds of us watched
the incorrect episode yesterday. But amount plus.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, okay, so should we dive in? This is a
I actually I remember a lot about this episode, so
this win.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This episode was a big deal at the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This is one of the episodes that the show refers
back to more than almost almost anything else.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right, this is the infamous like Mary's Downfall episode.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's where it begins.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
In serious trouble, and this was marked as like a
we should have known, remember the time she stole the cup?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean this episode, I mean we should just
dive in. And I have to say I absolutely love
that it starts with Simon and Ruthie and the star
Spangled banner kind of like giving us this insight into
how mad Eric gets when somebody doesn't know the star
(01:53):
Spangled banner. Yeah, Eric, it's like angrier than a sports
team losing. Like he is very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's definitely a big pet peeve of his.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
For sure, Totally.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think it's the first time you see Eric kind
of snap too.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Eric's on his old man like fist at the sky
kids these days.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like it's very funny.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I also love that everyone knows in the family that, like,
oh gosh, I.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Just want old Grandpa about the national anthem again.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Why does Ruthie have like a nanny in this that
we don't introduce at all and never see again.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was it a nanny or babysitter?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But like no, because like a nanny, I think is
like a nanny is someone who babysitter all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You have a baby being like teenage, I don't think
he qualifies a nanny unless you're like, yeah, regularly.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
She's like nanny, you know, not.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Like Okay, nanny's get big here ever.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like this, I mean, it's also like it's the.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Minister, nanny's paying taxes back.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it was just a babysitter. It was like,
but that's at the end. We'll get to the babysitter
at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Also, David, I have a question, and does Shauna have
something to say about oil cooking oil being in the
fridge with Ann does?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The first thing and one of the only things that
Shawna said out loud while we were watching the episode
was why is she keeping the oil.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
In the fridge?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And I looked at her for a second and she
looked at me like, you know, you're not supposed to
keep oil the fruit. And I was like, I don't know,
I'm I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't know what's
going on. I was like, because a crew set this
up for her, and the crew doesn't cook either.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I guess like I was laughing because I was like, oh,
I'm like, we found one of Annie's downfalls. Because as
Annie like can fix like a car can fix anything.
But then you watch her cook and you're like, you know,
not her strongest suit, Like this is not this is neither.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It was pitched that, like, you know, this is another
one of the things that she's that she does well.
But yeah, clearly set up by people who who.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Don't do it well well because she was also did
you also see that she was making putting the pancake
batter on the pan that was not on the stove.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was like that happening.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I flow the.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Whole time, the whole time the cooking was happened. Sean
was like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Why? Why did she do this? And I was like,
I don't, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I feel every time I see.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I was like, imagine if I set her up to
do this scene, that's basically what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, but most people know how to make pancake.
I was just I don't know. It was something I
definitely hung up on for a second. I was like,
what is happening and why are we doing it this way? Yeah,
but I definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Had shown about two seconds to like perk up and
be like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Why, why is happening?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Do you just remember like how gross those plates of
food looked like at the end of the day of
those like long like there were always just like these
ketchup smeared plates and it was so gross.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, because again we've talked about it, like food scenes,
it's literally just pushing food around the plates like you
don't have to actually eat it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Then the turkey that's like cooked with a blowtorch raw
on the inside.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I mean, this is what happens when when you have
your prop department make make you food.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know, yes, it's not great, it's not great.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It's not like you know, it's not like the caterers
come in to make food for the scenes.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
They do not the caterers. That was the best part,
one of the best parts.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So the next step I have is again we're talking
about the National Anthem and Eric trying to say, like
I'm not in a bad mood. I'm not in a
bad mood, and everyone knows like you're in a bad mood.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do either of you know all of the words to
the National Anthem?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, I think I do. I think I do,
but don't put me on the spot.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I've never forgotten them because Dawn taught me them so
well I've been able to sing it for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is when this was the moment that in Irl
Mackenzie learned the anth it really is just to avoid
Eric's ires.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I do love, I do love this storyline between the
two of you, and I love the way I love
Simon's way of teaching. It's so cute and it's so sweet,
and I love like Ruthy's pushback of like, well, why
are we saying that word? Why are we saying perilous
when we could just say dangerous? And you just try
(06:58):
to change it, like I love you just change it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Like you can't change it?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah it is, and you're like, why not again?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's in my In my opinion, mcken, little Mackenzie is
is just the show stealer in all of these scenes
at all times, like that you're you are. It's so
incredibly cute, it is. It's fun for me to watch
back and see uh and and see little us Uh
doing doing our our stick together, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I love also this scene when Simon's trying to
explain hell and Ruthy saying it's a bad word. Oh,
and then getting caught saying you're going to hell, and
then of course that is when.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Eric walks by, and then Simon tries to explain it
away and Eric says, that's not what I heard or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And Ruthy's just like totally unhelpful.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm I'm guilty of using a bad example.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I know, I'm guilty of using a bad example. And
I think that it's so cute and it's so Simon
because it's actually so it's a mature way to say
it too, and saying like, I am guilty, but I
was only guilty of using a bad example. I wasn't
actually saying it, so I'm not truthnicallyment.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Being already good at his legal defense skills.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, then we get into the bit about Lucy's paper
that she has to do, and this is kind of
your whole your whole story for this episode, right, is
that you have you have this big paper due and
you are like your head's not in it and you're
(08:37):
you're trying to figure out how you can turn in
this paper like quickly at the last minute.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know what. I what's funny is I think that
this is also a very typical middle school problem. It's
that like learning how to juggle it all. She has
her boyfriend, she has her other admirer, Dwight, she has cheerleading.
She doesn't want to get left out. She's mad. She
has her middle child tantrum because she doesn't get to
(09:05):
go with Matt and Mary and Keisha and John and
she's mad about that. And she gets in trouble with
the teacher, which is like kind of a big deal,
and you watch her kind of like squirm because you know,
she's this people pleaser who wants to do everything right
and puts way too much on her plate and is
(09:26):
terrible about time management, which I think is also a big,
big lesson in middle school, which is what I'm dealing
with with Kenzie right now.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Which is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, and also the classic like all like when you're
first starting to learn how to how to juggle your
school life the whole like doing it at the last minute,
when when you finally decide to do the thing you've
been needing to do, you know it's been put off
all the way to the day before.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's funny because I literally I didn't I didn't see
that apparently something that you have to teach someone I
was like, of course, you do it when it's assigned.
And here I'm talking to Kenzie because she's in middle school,
and I'm like, Kenzie, the moment it's assigned, you do it.
You don't wait till the day before to do it.
(10:16):
Like that's not like when she was writing it in
her planner. She was writing the assignment down on the
day was due. I'm like, no, no, no, too late,
too late. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We need?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
This is not working. And I'm such like you know,
I mean, obviously I'm a little bounty.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Your child has a planner. First of all, I'd like
to highlight this that you said that that's incredible you guys.
My child has no such planner.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You guys, very serious plan Okay, we know how serious
you are with your planner like I have, Like it's
a like I have, Like it's color coded color.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But your kid got for Christmas?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right, Okay, you want to see as long as it
wasn't just just a nice planners?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is that a blank piece of paper on it? And
and look.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's it's really what does it say?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Mac?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I circled Friday?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Ye circled Friday. Don't know what for? But something's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
My gosh. Yeah, no, yes, I have a planner.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And also I can relate to like Lucy getting like
overwhelmed because she's trying to take on too many things
and she's trying to do too too much, And I
I think Lucy and Beverly are the same.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I also want to say I'm also in my own
way starting this lesson with Lily and Lily's of course
in grade school.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Lily has just started second grade.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But but get like, now that we're back in school
and and we're trying to swing back, getting too homework
and the routine and everything, and I have to remind her.
She gets very disappointed on Monday when I'm like, Hey,
it's Monday, you got homework for the week, We're doing
it today? Yeah, She's like no, And I'm like, you're
gonna thank me every day for the rest of the week.
(12:15):
You don't want to do it at the end of
the week, when you have a half day, when you
when you want to play, when when it's the weekend,
that's not when you do it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You do it now, Hey, with you when she's around
that age, Because I don't don't know if I'm capable
of that important lesson.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Meanwhile, Hutton is the opposite who never comes home with
homework and I'm like, Hutton, how do you not have homework?
And he's he does it in class. So he and
I'm like, are you supposed to be doing it? And
he's like, that's not the point. He's like, it doesn't matter.
The point. The point is the homework is done. I'm like, no, no, no,
(12:53):
The point is are you learning? Jedis like and he's like, no,
I got.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He's like, Mom, it's done. So I have two very
different kids, and who knows what Maso is going to
be like. We keep asking her about her homework and
she keeps paying like I'm in kindergarten.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't have there is no homework, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
We also had two incredible guest stars in this well,
actually we had a lot of guest stars, great guest stars,
but we had Gabrielle Union and Chaz Lamar Shepherd, who,
of course we love when the Hamiltons come to be
a part of the show, it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I like that they just they just want it, uh,
Like they're just along for the ride. As something funny.
It's almost not like it's kind of like support. It's
also kind of like just having popcorn and watching.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh yeah, they're just there for the show.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No, yeah, they're there to watch the train wreck. They're
there to.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Be like listen, enjoyment, and smile.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We know what's going to happen and for if anyone
does doesn't remember what this whole episode is about, it's
all about, which is interesting. Also that Mary has to
steal a glass from the nsity any or sorry, anything
has to steal something that says varsity to be accepted
(14:20):
into the basketball team, because every sports team does it.
So it's also again this fear pressure.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Is it the basketball team does it?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, it's everyone's.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, it's it's like a thing, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And to be clear, the varsity is a little like
Doop diner place that is in town that's called the Varsity,
so their cups say varsity, and I don't know, presumably
other things from their say varsity. So that the school,
the teams at the school as a hazing things, they
want all the new members of the sports team to
(14:56):
go steal something from the diner for the sporting for
the event, for the what for the banquet for the banquet.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And they're using the Hamilton kids as a as a
cover up that they're going out to dinner with them,
right with full knowledge that this is what's going to
go on.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And yes, everyone's in on it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, Matt's there to protect Mary and to be the
big brother, because Matt's the ultimate big brother.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
But it's a complete open secret, like to everybody in
town almost. Yeah, Like the diner knows this happens, the
school knows this happens. People who aren't on the sports
teams know that this happens.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yet except for Eric Camden of course.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Apparently the one thing he is unaware of. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. And then of course we still have Lucy trying
to deal with her paper and she's just you know,
she's on the struggle bus, and of course Mary feels
bad for like one minute. This is like probably the
only minute Mary feels bad for Lucy because she's going
to the diner to go steal a cup and Lucy's
that she doesn't get to come. So Mary hands her
(16:03):
her old paper on the Crucible and says, you can
look at this for like quotes or insights, because because
she can't get to a library.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
She gives you the the the way like the method
of cheating that that is the one that kind of works,
which is take this paper, ingest it, rewrite it, write
it and use the same quotes, but write your own paper.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But here's the quotes, here's like the here's the outline.
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And what does Lucy do?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He doesn't do any of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Those things, Lucy, Lucy just.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Copy name on it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, how is the teacher not.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Just runs a line through? Mary Camden writes, Lucy, I would.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I could never because I was like so parent. I
was like, I can't ever get I'm in trouble. It
gives me like a panic attack.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Now I'd be scared to death years after I got
away with it. Honestly still to this.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Day, like even thinking about it, thinking about cheating, just like,
oh my gosh, I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
The guilt is too much to bear.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Maybe you know what, Actually there was one test I
did cheat on. That's that's a whole different. But that
was also like anatomy, and that was like having to
know the entire body and every muscle and every like
in at Stramada, And I did cheat on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, I'm glad you're not a doctor.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Now. How did I cheat? How to cheat on the
anatomy test?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
How did I cheat? Because I had my book right
open next to it and when Cheryl, when Cheryl walked
away and I was supposed to be taking the test.
I just, I just I just cheated. Yeah, that one,
I cheated.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
When you put it that way, I can't. I have
to I have to do.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Because also that was okay. Also, by the way, I'm
not gonna lie. I also shared it with my friends
because I had the test early and I was like, listen,
this test is impossible. But I did. Also because I'm me,
I did tell them how many each one of them
had to get wrong, because it's like you can't get
them all right, you have to do these ones.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That's good because you know because remember, really.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
David, remember when you could have like you could have
your notes like for going into those tests, Like yeah,
so I so I did do a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That was my bad thing, even organized it cheating. Yeah,
that's very funny, Bev. I mean, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, really, I mean, I just I just felt like,
as we're talking about America's most wanted I wanted to
share my like one bad thing that I did. I did,
you know, I've been holding it. I've been chest I did.
I needed to get it off my test. Okay, chest,
what am I talking about? I can't even tell now.
I'm like, I'm so, I'm so had to get it
(19:00):
off your test. I get to talk about my test
to get it off my chest. Anyway, let's get back
to the episode.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Matt gets caught, yes by Eric stealing a cup.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
God, he's such an I had no idea what a martyr? Yeah,
Matt was repeatedly he is.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Actually, it's one of the words I think you could
use to describe Matt go into it particularly.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Maybe it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
A first season in particular thing. I feel like it's
a Matt thing across the board.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The malays he always he always is the one to
fall on the sword.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He loves to fall on his sword, loves it.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Man, he takes the.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Heat even when it's like not that necessary, I think,
because it anyway, and I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Do think that the the there was a good lesson
in the fact that you get caught, you go back,
you apologie as you say I did something wrong, And
that was like the intention of like going back to
the varsity, only for the manager to not accept it
and say, listen, I'm gonna press charges, which, by the way,
(20:15):
can you press charges for a five dollars glass?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Apparently you could back then, Okay, I'm pretty sure that
falls under some kind of threshold these days.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, for small claims court, for what's worthwhile.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
To push through the system, for what's worth getting a
lawyer over.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So, I mean, I didn't know that you can go
to court for stealing the guts, but you know that
is what we're dealing with, because we needed to blow
it up to make sure that it was a pretty.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
The same court that he tests.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
You guys, I wrote, I wrote in my notes, Matt
is going to glass jail.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I took, oh my gosh, and then come back. And
Lucy's pissed because Matt did not because he was in jail,
and or was he in jail, I don't know. He
didn't drop off the refreshments for cheerleading, and now her
life is over because God forbid, we didn't have any refreshments, which,
by the way, I didn't when I was a cheerleader.
(21:17):
I didn't We didn't get snacks and like refreshments that
like moms and dads brought so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, if you want to talk bev about the about
your scene with UH with Jess, it's we have the
Lucy Mary double cry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, the double both are very upsets. Well, this is
yes because and.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Then Mary says, well, I'm going to stop because and
then because you win that the who's gonna cry competition?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, but she also says, can you ever can you
ever do anything on your own? Like why do like
why if I'm crying now you're crying if like I'm
gonna quit now you're gonna quit, Like why can't you
just like figure it out?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But if Lucy catches you crying, she'll just cry harder
and then you'll have to stop because that's right bad.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean Lucy's always Lucy's always gonna win the
crying contest. Like there's just not And by the way,
I also love that Mary knows that. And Mary's like,
all right, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, We're not gonna do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And then also like Mary feels guilty because Matt's in
trouble now, Lucy feels guilty because she cheated on the
test and she and Mary's like that was dumb, like
basically with like calls her out, being like, you know
you can't do that, like what are you doing? It's
a sweet sister scene. I actually thought it was really cute.
I think it landed better now for me than it
(22:33):
did while we were doing it. I think it's actually all.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of your crying scenes, Bev in this first season are solid,
like you're you were like the champ at those scenes
for sure, like without a doubt. Everyone else has one
and sometimes they're okay and sometimes they're kind of but
like yours are always solid.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Thank you. Yeah, apparently I am good at access at
accessing that that that's sad this. So I also thought
it was cute how the scene ends, because the phone
rings and Lucy won't let Mary answer it, and the
reason is because she knows or she thinks it's Dwight calling.
And I wrote in my notes, I was like the
(23:15):
joy of a landline when you don't know who's calling,
like and like when it was that kind of like
roulette of whether you pick up or not and who
was on the other line. You know, mister, something our
kids will never understand. They don't know what a landline
is they don't know what's like connected to the wall.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I can't even imagine answering the phone without knowing who's
calling right now.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I know, and we did it all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I rarely answer when I do know who's calling, so
I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Do remember life's little surprise is just hello.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I know, when it was a question, Oh it's
not for me, Why.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Did I still say hello instead of like hey Joe?
You know, like we know we now we always know
who it is, but we still answer the all if
we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I know. Do you remember like when I remember when
Caller I D came through and like how cool caller
ID was. But then you could also block color.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, gosh, the landline, the landline, Yeah, ri I p
the landline.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah. Actually I saw a thing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's a tangent, but I did see that there is
a there's a thing that that they can't. Shawna showed
me that it's a little it's a little landline.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, for your kid yep.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
And then and then they can you can assign which
numbers can call it. Yeah, that so that you can
them and their friends can have a little landline in
their room, and I was like, that's actually really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It is really cute. I saw that, and I was like,
that's a really clever idea. There's no access to.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Anything on the internet.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
It's just and you, as the parent, have control of
what other little landlines can act. They can call each other,
so they can call their friends, but no one else.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's really cute.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, it's a very cute thing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I just saw it was real, it was made by
a parent, and I thought that was really cute. Okay,
back to the episode. Yes, Matt is arrested for petty larceny.
I also said, like, Matt's just the best big brother.
Like again, he falls on the sword for everybody, mostly
for Mary. I think he does it more for Mary
than he does for anything else.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Well Mary needs it more, but yes, yeah, he does
it for all of us at some point.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That's true. And and I love that Matt kind of
comes in and Mary was just the big sister to Lucy.
Now gosh, I have a frog in my throat, and
now Matt is being the big sister to Mary and
Mary kind of stating that she she wanted to quit,
and he's like, after all this, now you're gonna quit,
(25:49):
Like now, no, you can't quit, and her stating the
fact that she hated feeling that she had to steal
to fit in and now she's not gonna quit because
she can't let them win. Yeah, but I also think
that this is a big moment on peer pressure, on disrealization, yeah,
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that you have to do what everyone else does so
that you can be like everyone else. And I guess
it's weird now being an adult and having kids and
having to like discuss this peer pressure because on one
side you're like, well, just don't do it, but then
on the other side you're like, oh, but I remember
(26:31):
what it was like to long to be a part
of that growth or.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
To fear, yeah, being ostracized for exactly for not being
cool enough to do the thing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Absolutely, And I think it's a good choice too, by
the way, just as like for structure wise, for the
show that they chose to do the peer pressure storyline
with Mary, who is the cool kid amongst us, Like,
Mary's the cool one and she still succumbs to some
peer pressure at school. That it's not something that you
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feel if you're just like trying to be cool.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's something.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Cool, Yeah, which would typically fall in the lap of
lucy if you were like guessing a character who would
succumb to fear pressure because she always wants to fit in.
But it is nice that it's it is Mary, and
that the fact that she is the strong one, she
is the confident one, she is the accomplished one, she's
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all these things. But yet she and now not only
is Matt in trouble, Mary's feeling guilty and now Keisha
the Hamilton kids are also in trouble.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, they get in trouble as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And Reverend Hamilton says, you don't go along with friends
knowing that you're gonna that they're gonna do something bad,
Like that's not a good friend. And that was also
I thought, was I'm like, wow, that's like it actually
like a really good parenting thing. Like if you know
someone has intentions of kind of like trying to do
something they shouldn't do and you know better, don't go
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along for the ride and support them through that talk
try to talk them out of it kind of situation.
So that's why they get in trouble because now at
this point he sees them just as guilty as Mary
for stealing the glass because they were in the getaway car.
They were all yeah, yeah, and then and then it's
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another great parenting point.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And then speaking of great parenting, Anny then reads Lucy's
paper and immediately recognizes the plagiarism that's on.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Display, which which I was like, wow.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I actually thought to myself, like, I wonder if if
I would notice, you know, like if if a year after,
if my if my kid a year later like copied
a paper, what I even noticed?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
And I don't know that the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think that there's so there's two kinds of kids.
There's like the kids that like kind of like review
their papers with their parents, and then there's those that
just turn it in. I feel like also that like
Mary would have needed help with the crucible.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh but well I didn't think about it like that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, maybe maybe Annie was there to help Mary with
her paper and that's why she remembers it so well
or something like that. Yeah, that's because Mary's not like
established to be very as studious.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
As Lucy is. Yeah, exactly, Yeah that works. I like that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's where I was going with it. Okay, And also
I love like this scene because Lucy like doesn't even
try to. There's she's just she owns it right away. Yeah,
she screwed up. She she's trying to do too much.
She's It's funny when they're talking about juggling the boyfriend
(29:58):
and Dwight and that I just wrote Lucy loves love
and she loves to be liked, even by Dwight because
like the fact that like this is part of the
problem that she can't get her paper done, I thought
was like interesting, so funny.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I love that Jimmy Moon's like character and fandom is
so strong that they had to immediately give him a sidekick.
He immediately was given a sidekick, which I had forgotten
about until these rewatches, and uh and I feel like
it was well deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
A sidekick that is also trying to steal his girl.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah yeah, and that there they both and and like
it's not a secret, Like he tells Jimmy Moon, like
I like your girl, Bro, I'm gonna steal your girl.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And he's like, you can't worry and try me, bro.
You know, it's very it's so awkward.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
And cute and like and and like unique. I guess
in like this kind of in the way that we
normally tell these high school stories. It is so awkward
and cute and unique.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, and it's also funny just because it is true
that like middle school romance is just so weird. It's like,
I like you, you like me? Okay, are we dating?
And like you even ask them, they're like what does
that mean? They're like they don't know, So like this
whole thing like you're my you're my boyfriend, you're my friend.
Like it's just like so funny. It just it cracks
(31:26):
me up, especially now that I've got a middle schooler.
I'm like, ah, but moving on, because the cutest thing
is Ruthie trying to learn the Star Spangled banner. I
just I feel like there's such heaviness in the episode
and such like downfalls, like having these cute moments with you,
mac Are and David.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Like it's just so sweet and this is one of
those classic like like me and Mac are the tag
team to lighten it up, and especially in the early
days of the episodes, I mean, we had this job
all the time where like they would cut back to
us and we would be getting into trouble or doing
something cute and arguing with each other about it.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And I do enjoy.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
The kind of like the brotherly sisterly love that we
have that we're like I'm always looking out for you
and watching you and like protecting you, but then we're
also always bickering.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's fun. It's very cute and relatable.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I also need to mention that, like I love
your stuff, Mac too, because it was very early on
that they were able to write specifically for you because
you didn't do like not everything was cutesy like a
lot of actors, like a lot of young actors would
do everything as like being super cute. You had sarcasm,
(32:49):
you were funny because like you always had this like
there was a wisdom to Ruthie in everything that she said,
and like her comeback with with Simon that it was
so cute to watch you keep him on his toes.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It wasn't just the writings could there there was there
was so much more.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It was.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It was just very sweet, very fun and also like
now knowing you're kind of who you are and like
the way you talk and the like your humor, it's
funny to kind of see that there were elements that
were starting to come in the writing even back then
of just your sarcasm and your kind of your quick
(33:33):
wit and intelligence.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think, uh, while we were while we've been rewatching
these episodes together more than once, uh, we we would
be watching a little Simon and Ruthie scene or whatever,
and Shauna would be like, Max still makes that face.
There was like a couple of your reactions and like,
and Shauna's like, I've seen that face. Back makes that
(33:57):
face out.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
At the end of the when I sing that Star
Spigel and Banners song and I go like, this.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Face.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I totally did that. Yeah, I was like, wait a.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Minute, yeah, it's it is amazing. It's amazing to see
an even littler you making making the same faces with
the same sass.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What's really gonna be trippy is when Ophelia starts making
those faces and you're gonna be like, what is happening?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I know, dude, her hair's so fun is like, well,
looking like my hair after I got out of the chair.
Oh yeah, right, now we're.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I know. I Also I also mentioned I think in
my notes, I was like, wow, those curls are tight.
Like this episode, your curls were tighter than normal, like
you had to sit in that chair a lot longer.
I think those were real tight curls.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I know. I have the burns to prove it.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I know because for all of you who don't know,
like Max hair was not naturally that curly, so those
were each ud like.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was really curly. But curls are different every single
day of dry So even if you have the curliest hair,
it's got to be curled. Well at least that's what
they told me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's what they told you controlled chaos.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, yeah, I know, but they weren't like that. Actually,
Ophelia's are more like that than I think mine were.
I don't know. I had like more light socket curls,
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And I also love we have the great Dorian Harewood
who plays Reverend Hamilton, and I also love which I
wish we had done more. I love that Matt can't
talk to Eric, and it's also, I would say, the
first introduction to this relationship of that there is a
(36:02):
little bit of tension between Eric and Matt, and I
think it's been building through the season.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and Eric's so pushy too.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Eric is always quick to blame Matt, and I think also,
I guess I didn't realize that pressure of the first born.
Also when I'm an only child, so I've never really
experienced it, but now seeing it with.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Kenzie the first and the youngest, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
The first, the youngest, in the middle, I'm all of them.
But but you are kind of harder on the firstborn
because there's like more expectations. There's David, you know better
than I do know.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
And also I see it now in myself with my
two because now I have, you know, for in my
little baby, and I have Lily who's now do on
big sister duty and stuff, and I can already see
that the tendency to be harder on Lily about stuff
than is necessary, you know, and are having that higher
stand of expectation for no apparent reason.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Interesting, same and I see that with Kensey. But I
think watching the episode and seeing it with Matt, I
never like that never clicks for me until now of
how hard Eric is on Matt, the expectations, the demands,
and I think there's a point where like Matt's like,
(37:23):
I'm a good kid, trusts that I'm a good kid,
and Eric just doesn't and is so hard on him.
So Matt goes to talk to Reverend Hamilton because he
can't talk to his dad. And I think that that
was also interesting.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, and a wise choice, very wise choice. Yeah, he's it's.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Not like he goes to get advice in the wrong places. No,
he goes excellent backup choice totally for advice.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, Well then we have Lucy makes a confess to
the teacher. The teacher takes it quite well, which is
probably experience.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What's cool about this is that there's two instances of
like coming clean right with with doing something wrong, and
the show gives you both outcomes, because when you come
clean about something, yes you are doing the right thing,
but you're still admitting that you did the wrong thing first.
And so there's the like, I don't care that you
(38:28):
came clean, there's gonna be consequences, and the thank you
for coming clean, I'll give you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
A second chance.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
So Lucy gets that from her teacher, like who is
just so relieved to have some honesty in her classroom,
A student who has who doesn't need to be caught,
who admits to the wrongdoing, and she gives you that
second chance. Whereas in the situation with Matt and the
Varsity and the cup. You know, he just goes, I'm
(38:58):
pressing charges like you know me and uh and and
takes it to the you know, to the highest level
of consequence.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I think I even wrote I said, the real
question is where do you draw the line when you
want to make an example, But also you have to
like acknowledge that someone when someone is doing the right thing.
Just like you said, David, I think that there is
there is a lesson there. I wrote the puppies because
of the puppies. We did get to see the puppies.
That was something that like we got to continue from
(39:29):
the episode before.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And those are the ones that were your friend's puppies, right,
not not the little bitty puppies.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I don't remember. I just remember some of them
being puppies.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well I think it was them. I'm pretty sure, okay,
And I mean it was definitely two sets of puppies
for sure, but true.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Well, next up we have the scene where, uh, where
Ruthie and Simon finally learned the story behind the national
anthem from their babysitter.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Which is actually he tells a great story.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Great story. Yeah, I actually really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's like I've been you know, I live in that
area now, and so I've like been on boats like
numerous times sailing it, like going right by Fort McHenry,
and like, I don't know, I get to like actually
picture that in real life. No, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Really fun because I don't I don't remember this from
the episode, but when I was watching, I was like,
that's really cool, like to like have the basis of
what the star Spangled banner.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
See them watching it through the No, but like he
was watching it like through some window. I guess it
was a ship or something, but it is mell.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
According to Seventh Heaven, that's what it was. And so
I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
They've taken that.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
They've taken the episode's gag right, and they turned it
into like we like to do a proper lesson, something
you could walk away from and go, huh, cool, I
learned something. And so then even our little gag has
this kind of like satisfying payoff at the end where
we learned the historical like we learned the historical circumstance
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behind the writing of our national anthem, which is which
is a cool little thing to throw in there to
give it some some weight.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
In some purpose, and also by the way. I also
love the way she's teaching you because it is easier
to remember when there's a story to be told versus
just words to be said, so that it's much easier
to memorize that way. So I thought that that was
that was great. Then we go back to Matt and
(41:42):
Core and I love. We have Matt feeling that Eric
is always writing him so hard, and he feels like
Matt's that Eric is always mad at him, and there's
a moment where I think this is actually interesting because
oftentimes our episodes were very like, kind of singular, but
this is actually a setup for our next episode. I
(42:03):
only know this because I accidentally watched the wrong one,
which is that Eric kind of always felt this pressure
and this anger from his father, and he didn't realize
that he is basically repeating the pattern of how he
(42:24):
was treated and he's still angry about it. But yet
he's doing this to Matt, and Matt calls it out yeah,
and also says like, I I have something to tell you,
but I cannot tell you. Now we all know what
that is, but Eric still has no idea. I remember,
actually this courthouse was in plia Vista. It was down
(42:46):
in the big hangars.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That used to be.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well now plia Vista is like huge and like completely
like built out, but as.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's like airport hangers.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Or no, no, no, no, plia Vista like literally underneath LMU.
It was right there. It was a big there used
to be big airplanes down there. And I just remember,
I don't know why. It's one of the few times
that we shot at night, probably because it's the only
time we could get the stage to be in the courthouse.
(43:18):
And I remember the smell of it. I remember everything.
And I also just remember there's so many of us
this court we had it. We had so many extras. Yeah,
and we have all.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
These extra The entire school team shows up.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, because Mary finally admits, like when when Matt's in trouble,
Mary finally admits that it was her and she can't
let this go on anymore. And then thank you Reverend Hamilton,
because this Reverend Hamilton's hero. He's the hero moment where
the entire school brings in all the things that they
(43:54):
stole from the varsity. I also have it noted that
the first few people are football players in full pads
and in full uniform walking into the court.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
They is they psyched themselves.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Out, but yes, they were.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
They were like.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That. I think that's one. He may have had helmets.
I don't know, but it was like the one thing
I noted was like, oh my gosh, they're walking in
full uniform. What is happening? Because it's like, also, the
entire courtroom is filled with kids who have stolen things
from the varsity. Again, this is all from Reverend Hamilton,
(44:42):
who basically put it all together because he's the one
who knew. He's the one who knew from the get go.
He's like, I know Matt didn't steal this. You kids
are in trouble. I'm going to figure out how to
make this right. Mary is the one who didn't.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I know this is a sports team thing, and I
know Matt doesn't play sports, so he's keen to it
right away.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, and then he also knows. He's like, I also
know I do the sports banquet. I know that these
what these kids do because it looks like a like
at the varsity store, which, by the way, also if
that was the case, well I wasn't it called out earlier. Anyway,
I'm not going to say anything, yea, yeah, waiting for
their waiting for it. They were waiting for a teachable moment,
(45:22):
and of course Eric admits our Eric suggests that, you know,
maybe there's some kids that will help, you know, do
some dishes and clean some things to make up for
their poor choices. And of course all the charges get dropped.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, we get our we get our victory.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
We get our victory.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And it's I don't know, it's it's it's a relief,
I guess, given the the uh, the drama of the
circumstance over a cup. But but then we all we
all go, we all come back together as a family,
and I have in my notes, I think we've heard
all the confessions we can deal with today, Lucy. Lucy
(46:09):
just wants to just keep the confessions flowing. Feels really
good to let it off your chest.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
What else did I confess?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I think you're talking about your paper again. But it's uh,
but you're told to like to chill out.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
We're done. This episode's over, Lucy, please, you know what?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And honestly, I feel that in my life and I
feel that I feel that for Lucy. I feel yeah,
I feel like the problem is she's an overshare. She
just you know, she really Oh.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
You just get into it whatever's happening. You're just really
into it. And it's confessing right now.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, I mean passion. I guess. I guess Lucy and
Beverly are alike in the fact that I also just
aired out some dirty laundry too. So that's right, can
we we could we could just yeah, I know there's
a there's actually you know, there should be a mute
button here. I mean, we do have remote access that
we should just like just cut off.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
The mic and then we end the episode, yeah, with
the big payoff for for our gag, where where Ruthie
sings for everybody the national anthem, which is which is adorable,
asdorable as it should be, and uh and that UH
are with with pride.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
We we fade to black. It's the uh. That's the end,
the the tie up.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
And this is like, this is one of those episodes.
This is a standout episode that a lot of people remember,
that a lot of people talk about, and it was
fun to rewatch because it's, uh, there was so much
more to it than what I remembered.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, true, I had no teeth in this episode,
you have one no teeth.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's what happens when you're like six. Yeah, you didn't
have a flipper?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, I do remember it being discussed. Did either of
you ever work with a flipper? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, I had flippers. And for anyone who doesn't know
what a flipper is, it's basically like a retainer with
fake teeth that like can fill in the gap of
if you have if you've lost a tooth, So that
way you could always have perfect teeth, because sometimes you'd
lose the two front teeth and then you talk funny
and they don't want it, Like it's really hard to work.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
And I hadn't saying about any teeth fake teeth.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
And when I made Look Who's talking now?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
When I was eight years old, the first film that
I was in, I booked the film and I lost
my two front teeth.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Oh man, for most of the movie, I'm.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Wearing a flipper and my two front teeth, and I remember, huh.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
How uncomfortable is it. I have a friend who had
one actually as a retainer. He never wore it.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
It's like it's like a retainer. But it's weird though,
because like sometimes your tongue tries to like play with
the only word for what I used to like.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
What the flipper because it was uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
Oh well, well, on that note, I think that is
a perfectly good wrap up of America's.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Most Got Talent Episode thirteen.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Would you say I said got talent?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Oh, America's got talent? America's Yeah, America's Most Wanted Episode thirteen,
Season one. You guys were doing it where we are
slowly cranking through these rewatches. We only have two hundred,
two hundred and thirty more to go. Don't you worry
about a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
If I if I go on America's Got Do you
think I should sing the Star Spangled banner? Because you should?
That might be a unique talent according to Eric, just
saying okay.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
This has been catching up with the Camdens. This was
the rewatch for America's Most Wanted. Make sure to like
subscribe and do all the things and thank you guys
for coming along. We are going to crank through season one.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
We can do it, you guys, We can do it.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
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Speaker 2 (51:00):
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Speaker 4 (51:08):
Girl
Hi, guys, this is catching up with the Camdens and
we are going to do some rewatches today. I'm Kensey Rosman, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
David Gallagher, and I'm Beverly Mitchell. And what episode are
we doing today? Because I think today we are actually
on the same page talking about the same episode, which
was not last week.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Maybe I've paid for this maybe, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The injury is still out. What episode are we doing? Mac,
you take the lead, so that way, if I made
a mistake, I'll just roll with it.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are doing America's Most Wanted.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, and the real one, the real one, Yes, yes,
I think, I think, maybe not the one that we
thought we watched, but it the title.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, no, yeah, we all two thirds of us watched
the incorrect episode yesterday. But amount plus.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, okay, so should we dive in? This is a
I actually I remember a lot about this episode, so
this win.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This episode was a big deal at the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This is one of the episodes that the show refers
back to more than almost almost anything else.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right, this is the infamous like Mary's Downfall episode.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's where it begins.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
In serious trouble, and this was marked as like a
we should have known, remember the time she stole the cup?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean this episode, I mean we should just
dive in. And I have to say I absolutely love
that it starts with Simon and Ruthie and the star
Spangled banner kind of like giving us this insight into
how mad Eric gets when somebody doesn't know the star
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Spangled banner. Yeah, Eric, it's like angrier than a sports
team losing. Like he is very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's definitely a big pet peeve of his.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
For sure, Totally.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think it's the first time you see Eric kind
of snap too.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Eric's on his old man like fist at the sky
kids these days.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like it's very funny.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I also love that everyone knows in the family that, like,
oh gosh, I.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Just want old Grandpa about the national anthem again.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Why does Ruthie have like a nanny in this that
we don't introduce at all and never see again.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was it a nanny or babysitter?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But like no, because like a nanny, I think is
like a nanny is someone who babysitter all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You have a baby being like teenage, I don't think
he qualifies a nanny unless you're like, yeah, regularly.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
She's like nanny, you know, not.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Like Okay, nanny's get big here ever.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like this, I mean, it's also like it's the.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Minister, nanny's paying taxes back.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it was just a babysitter. It was like,
but that's at the end. We'll get to the babysitter
at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Also, David, I have a question, and does Shauna have
something to say about oil cooking oil being in the
fridge with Ann does?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The first thing and one of the only things that
Shawna said out loud while we were watching the episode
was why is she keeping the oil.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
In the fridge?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And I looked at her for a second and she
looked at me like, you know, you're not supposed to
keep oil the fruit. And I was like, I don't know,
I'm I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't know what's
going on. I was like, because a crew set this
up for her, and the crew doesn't cook either.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I guess like I was laughing because I was like, oh,
I'm like, we found one of Annie's downfalls. Because as
Annie like can fix like a car can fix anything.
But then you watch her cook and you're like, you know,
not her strongest suit, Like this is not this is neither.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It was pitched that, like, you know, this is another
one of the things that she's that she does well.
But yeah, clearly set up by people who who.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Don't do it well well because she was also did
you also see that she was making putting the pancake
batter on the pan that was not on the stove.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was like that happening.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I flow the.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Whole time, the whole time the cooking was happened. Sean
was like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Why? Why did she do this? And I was like,
I don't, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I feel every time I see.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I was like, imagine if I set her up to
do this scene, that's basically what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, but most people know how to make pancake.
I was just I don't know. It was something I
definitely hung up on for a second. I was like,
what is happening and why are we doing it this way? Yeah,
but I definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Had shown about two seconds to like perk up and
be like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Why, why is happening?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Do you just remember like how gross those plates of
food looked like at the end of the day of
those like long like there were always just like these
ketchup smeared plates and it was so gross.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, because again we've talked about it, like food scenes,
it's literally just pushing food around the plates like you
don't have to actually eat it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Then the turkey that's like cooked with a blowtorch raw
on the inside.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I mean, this is what happens when when you have
your prop department make make you food.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know, yes, it's not great, it's not great.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It's not like you know, it's not like the caterers
come in to make food for the scenes.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
They do not the caterers. That was the best part,
one of the best parts.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So the next step I have is again we're talking
about the National Anthem and Eric trying to say, like
I'm not in a bad mood. I'm not in a
bad mood, and everyone knows like you're in a bad mood.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do either of you know all of the words to
the National Anthem?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, I think I do. I think I do,
but don't put me on the spot.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I've never forgotten them because Dawn taught me them so
well I've been able to sing it for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is when this was the moment that in Irl
Mackenzie learned the anth it really is just to avoid
Eric's ires.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I do love, I do love this storyline between the
two of you, and I love the way I love
Simon's way of teaching. It's so cute and it's so sweet,
and I love like Ruthy's pushback of like, well, why
are we saying that word? Why are we saying perilous
when we could just say dangerous? And you just try
(06:58):
to change it, like I love you just change it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Like you can't change it?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah it is, and you're like, why not again?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's in my In my opinion, mcken, little Mackenzie is
is just the show stealer in all of these scenes
at all times, like that you're you are. It's so
incredibly cute, it is. It's fun for me to watch
back and see uh and and see little us Uh
doing doing our our stick together, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I love also this scene when Simon's trying to
explain hell and Ruthy saying it's a bad word. Oh,
and then getting caught saying you're going to hell, and
then of course that is when.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Eric walks by, and then Simon tries to explain it
away and Eric says, that's not what I heard or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And Ruthy's just like totally unhelpful.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm I'm guilty of using a bad example.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I know, I'm guilty of using a bad example. And
I think that it's so cute and it's so Simon
because it's actually so it's a mature way to say
it too, and saying like, I am guilty, but I
was only guilty of using a bad example. I wasn't
actually saying it, so I'm not truthnicallyment.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Being already good at his legal defense skills.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, then we get into the bit about Lucy's paper
that she has to do, and this is kind of
your whole your whole story for this episode, right, is
that you have you have this big paper due and
you are like your head's not in it and you're
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you're trying to figure out how you can turn in
this paper like quickly at the last minute.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know what. I what's funny is I think that
this is also a very typical middle school problem. It's
that like learning how to juggle it all. She has
her boyfriend, she has her other admirer, Dwight, she has cheerleading.
She doesn't want to get left out. She's mad. She
has her middle child tantrum because she doesn't get to
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go with Matt and Mary and Keisha and John and
she's mad about that. And she gets in trouble with
the teacher, which is like kind of a big deal,
and you watch her kind of like squirm because you know,
she's this people pleaser who wants to do everything right
and puts way too much on her plate and is
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terrible about time management, which I think is also a big,
big lesson in middle school, which is what I'm dealing
with with Kenzie right now.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Which is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, and also the classic like all like when you're
first starting to learn how to how to juggle your
school life the whole like doing it at the last minute,
when when you finally decide to do the thing you've
been needing to do, you know it's been put off
all the way to the day before.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's funny because I literally I didn't I didn't see
that apparently something that you have to teach someone I
was like, of course, you do it when it's assigned.
And here I'm talking to Kenzie because she's in middle school,
and I'm like, Kenzie, the moment it's assigned, you do it.
You don't wait till the day before to do it.
(10:16):
Like that's not like when she was writing it in
her planner. She was writing the assignment down on the
day was due. I'm like, no, no, no, too late,
too late. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We need?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
This is not working. And I'm such like you know,
I mean, obviously I'm a little bounty.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Your child has a planner. First of all, I'd like
to highlight this that you said that that's incredible you guys.
My child has no such planner.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You guys, very serious plan Okay, we know how serious
you are with your planner like I have, Like it's
a like I have, Like it's color coded color.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But your kid got for Christmas?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right, Okay, you want to see as long as it
wasn't just just a nice planners?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is that a blank piece of paper on it? And
and look.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's it's really what does it say?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Mac?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I circled Friday?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Ye circled Friday. Don't know what for? But something's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
My gosh. Yeah, no, yes, I have a planner.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And also I can relate to like Lucy getting like
overwhelmed because she's trying to take on too many things
and she's trying to do too too much, And I
I think Lucy and Beverly are the same.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I also want to say I'm also in my own
way starting this lesson with Lily and Lily's of course
in grade school.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Lily has just started second grade.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But but get like, now that we're back in school
and and we're trying to swing back, getting too homework
and the routine and everything, and I have to remind her.
She gets very disappointed on Monday when I'm like, Hey,
it's Monday, you got homework for the week, We're doing
it today? Yeah, She's like no, And I'm like, you're
gonna thank me every day for the rest of the week.
(12:15):
You don't want to do it at the end of
the week, when you have a half day, when you
when you want to play, when when it's the weekend,
that's not when you do it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You do it now, Hey, with you when she's around
that age, Because I don't don't know if I'm capable
of that important lesson.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Meanwhile, Hutton is the opposite who never comes home with
homework and I'm like, Hutton, how do you not have homework?
And he's he does it in class. So he and
I'm like, are you supposed to be doing it? And
he's like, that's not the point. He's like, it doesn't matter.
The point. The point is the homework is done. I'm like, no, no, no,
(12:53):
The point is are you learning? Jedis like and he's like, no,
I got.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He's like, Mom, it's done. So I have two very
different kids, and who knows what Maso is going to
be like. We keep asking her about her homework and
she keeps paying like I'm in kindergarten.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't have there is no homework, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
We also had two incredible guest stars in this well,
actually we had a lot of guest stars, great guest stars,
but we had Gabrielle Union and Chaz Lamar Shepherd, who,
of course we love when the Hamiltons come to be
a part of the show, it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I like that they just they just want it, uh,
Like they're just along for the ride. As something funny.
It's almost not like it's kind of like support. It's
also kind of like just having popcorn and watching.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh yeah, they're just there for the show.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No, yeah, they're there to watch the train wreck. They're
there to.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Be like listen, enjoyment, and smile.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We know what's going to happen and for if anyone
does doesn't remember what this whole episode is about, it's
all about, which is interesting. Also that Mary has to
steal a glass from the nsity any or sorry, anything
has to steal something that says varsity to be accepted
(14:20):
into the basketball team, because every sports team does it.
So it's also again this fear pressure.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Is it the basketball team does it?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, it's everyone's.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, it's it's like a thing, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And to be clear, the varsity is a little like
Doop diner place that is in town that's called the Varsity,
so their cups say varsity, and I don't know, presumably
other things from their say varsity. So that the school,
the teams at the school as a hazing things, they
want all the new members of the sports team to
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go steal something from the diner for the sporting for
the event, for the what for the banquet for the banquet.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And they're using the Hamilton kids as a as a
cover up that they're going out to dinner with them,
right with full knowledge that this is what's going to
go on.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And yes, everyone's in on it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, Matt's there to protect Mary and to be the
big brother, because Matt's the ultimate big brother.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
But it's a complete open secret, like to everybody in
town almost. Yeah, Like the diner knows this happens, the
school knows this happens. People who aren't on the sports
teams know that this happens.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yet except for Eric Camden of course.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Apparently the one thing he is unaware of. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. And then of course we still have Lucy trying
to deal with her paper and she's just you know,
she's on the struggle bus, and of course Mary feels
bad for like one minute. This is like probably the
only minute Mary feels bad for Lucy because she's going
to the diner to go steal a cup and Lucy's
that she doesn't get to come. So Mary hands her
(16:03):
her old paper on the Crucible and says, you can
look at this for like quotes or insights, because because
she can't get to a library.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
She gives you the the the way like the method
of cheating that that is the one that kind of works,
which is take this paper, ingest it, rewrite it, write
it and use the same quotes, but write your own paper.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But here's the quotes, here's like the here's the outline.
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And what does Lucy do?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He doesn't do any of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Those things, Lucy, Lucy just.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Copy name on it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, how is the teacher not.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Just runs a line through? Mary Camden writes, Lucy, I would.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I could never because I was like so parent. I
was like, I can't ever get I'm in trouble. It
gives me like a panic attack.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Now I'd be scared to death years after I got
away with it. Honestly still to this.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Day, like even thinking about it, thinking about cheating, just like,
oh my gosh, I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
The guilt is too much to bear.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Maybe you know what, Actually there was one test I
did cheat on. That's that's a whole different. But that
was also like anatomy, and that was like having to
know the entire body and every muscle and every like
in at Stramada, And I did cheat on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, I'm glad you're not a doctor.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Now. How did I cheat? How to cheat on the
anatomy test?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
How did I cheat? Because I had my book right
open next to it and when Cheryl, when Cheryl walked
away and I was supposed to be taking the test.
I just, I just I just cheated. Yeah, that one,
I cheated.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
When you put it that way, I can't. I have
to I have to do.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Because also that was okay. Also, by the way, I'm
not gonna lie. I also shared it with my friends
because I had the test early and I was like, listen,
this test is impossible. But I did. Also because I'm me,
I did tell them how many each one of them
had to get wrong, because it's like you can't get
them all right, you have to do these ones.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That's good because you know because remember, really.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
David, remember when you could have like you could have
your notes like for going into those tests, Like yeah,
so I so I did do a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That was my bad thing, even organized it cheating. Yeah,
that's very funny, Bev. I mean, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, really, I mean, I just I just felt like,
as we're talking about America's most wanted I wanted to
share my like one bad thing that I did. I did,
you know, I've been holding it. I've been chest I did.
I needed to get it off my test. Okay, chest,
what am I talking about? I can't even tell now.
I'm like, I'm so, I'm so had to get it
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off your test. I get to talk about my test
to get it off my chest. Anyway, let's get back
to the episode.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Matt gets caught, yes by Eric stealing a cup.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
God, he's such an I had no idea what a martyr? Yeah,
Matt was repeatedly he is.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Actually, it's one of the words I think you could
use to describe Matt go into it particularly.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Maybe it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
A first season in particular thing. I feel like it's
a Matt thing across the board.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The malays he always he always is the one to
fall on the sword.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He loves to fall on his sword, loves it.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Man, he takes the.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Heat even when it's like not that necessary, I think,
because it anyway, and I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Do think that the the there was a good lesson
in the fact that you get caught, you go back,
you apologie as you say I did something wrong, And
that was like the intention of like going back to
the varsity, only for the manager to not accept it
and say, listen, I'm gonna press charges, which, by the way,
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can you press charges for a five dollars glass?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Apparently you could back then, Okay, I'm pretty sure that
falls under some kind of threshold these days.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, for small claims court, for what's worthwhile.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
To push through the system, for what's worth getting a
lawyer over.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So, I mean, I didn't know that you can go
to court for stealing the guts, but you know that
is what we're dealing with, because we needed to blow
it up to make sure that it was a pretty.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
The same court that he tests.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
You guys, I wrote, I wrote in my notes, Matt
is going to glass jail.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I took, oh my gosh, and then come back. And
Lucy's pissed because Matt did not because he was in jail,
and or was he in jail, I don't know. He
didn't drop off the refreshments for cheerleading, and now her
life is over because God forbid, we didn't have any refreshments, which,
by the way, I didn't when I was a cheerleader.
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I didn't We didn't get snacks and like refreshments that
like moms and dads brought so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, if you want to talk bev about the about
your scene with UH with Jess, it's we have the
Lucy Mary double cry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, the double both are very upsets. Well, this is
yes because and.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Then Mary says, well, I'm going to stop because and
then because you win that the who's gonna cry competition?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, but she also says, can you ever can you
ever do anything on your own? Like why do like
why if I'm crying now you're crying if like I'm
gonna quit now you're gonna quit, Like why can't you
just like figure it out?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But if Lucy catches you crying, she'll just cry harder
and then you'll have to stop because that's right bad.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean Lucy's always Lucy's always gonna win the
crying contest. Like there's just not And by the way,
I also love that Mary knows that. And Mary's like,
all right, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, We're not gonna do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And then also like Mary feels guilty because Matt's in
trouble now, Lucy feels guilty because she cheated on the
test and she and Mary's like that was dumb, like
basically with like calls her out, being like, you know
you can't do that, like what are you doing? It's
a sweet sister scene. I actually thought it was really cute.
I think it landed better now for me than it
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did while we were doing it. I think it's actually all.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of your crying scenes, Bev in this first season are solid,
like you're you were like the champ at those scenes
for sure, like without a doubt. Everyone else has one
and sometimes they're okay and sometimes they're kind of but
like yours are always solid.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Thank you. Yeah, apparently I am good at access at
accessing that that that's sad this. So I also thought
it was cute how the scene ends, because the phone
rings and Lucy won't let Mary answer it, and the
reason is because she knows or she thinks it's Dwight calling.
And I wrote in my notes, I was like the
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joy of a landline when you don't know who's calling,
like and like when it was that kind of like
roulette of whether you pick up or not and who
was on the other line. You know, mister, something our
kids will never understand. They don't know what a landline
is they don't know what's like connected to the wall.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I can't even imagine answering the phone without knowing who's
calling right now.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I know, and we did it all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I rarely answer when I do know who's calling, so
I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Do remember life's little surprise is just hello.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I know, when it was a question, Oh it's
not for me, Why.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Did I still say hello instead of like hey Joe?
You know, like we know we now we always know
who it is, but we still answer the all if
we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I know. Do you remember like when I remember when
Caller I D came through and like how cool caller
ID was. But then you could also block color.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, gosh, the landline, the landline, Yeah, ri I p
the landline.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah. Actually I saw a thing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's a tangent, but I did see that there is
a there's a thing that that they can't. Shawna showed
me that it's a little it's a little landline.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, for your kid yep.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
And then and then they can you can assign which
numbers can call it. Yeah, that so that you can
them and their friends can have a little landline in
their room, and I was like, that's actually really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It is really cute. I saw that, and I was like,
that's a really clever idea. There's no access to.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Anything on the internet.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
It's just and you, as the parent, have control of
what other little landlines can act. They can call each other,
so they can call their friends, but no one else.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's really cute.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, it's a very cute thing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I just saw it was real, it was made by
a parent, and I thought that was really cute. Okay,
back to the episode. Yes, Matt is arrested for petty larceny.
I also said, like, Matt's just the best big brother.
Like again, he falls on the sword for everybody, mostly
for Mary. I think he does it more for Mary
than he does for anything else.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Well Mary needs it more, but yes, yeah, he does
it for all of us at some point.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That's true. And and I love that Matt kind of
comes in and Mary was just the big sister to Lucy.
Now gosh, I have a frog in my throat, and
now Matt is being the big sister to Mary and
Mary kind of stating that she she wanted to quit,
and he's like, after all this, now you're gonna quit,
(25:49):
Like now, no, you can't quit, and her stating the
fact that she hated feeling that she had to steal
to fit in and now she's not gonna quit because
she can't let them win. Yeah, but I also think
that this is a big moment on peer pressure, on disrealization, yeah,
(26:09):
that you have to do what everyone else does so
that you can be like everyone else. And I guess
it's weird now being an adult and having kids and
having to like discuss this peer pressure because on one
side you're like, well, just don't do it, but then
on the other side you're like, oh, but I remember
(26:31):
what it was like to long to be a part
of that growth or.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
To fear, yeah, being ostracized for exactly for not being
cool enough to do the thing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Absolutely, And I think it's a good choice too, by
the way, just as like for structure wise, for the
show that they chose to do the peer pressure storyline
with Mary, who is the cool kid amongst us, Like,
Mary's the cool one and she still succumbs to some
peer pressure at school. That it's not something that you
(27:03):
feel if you're just like trying to be cool.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's something.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Cool, Yeah, which would typically fall in the lap of
lucy if you were like guessing a character who would
succumb to fear pressure because she always wants to fit in.
But it is nice that it's it is Mary, and
that the fact that she is the strong one, she
is the confident one, she is the accomplished one, she's
(27:29):
all these things. But yet she and now not only
is Matt in trouble, Mary's feeling guilty and now Keisha
the Hamilton kids are also in trouble.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, they get in trouble as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And Reverend Hamilton says, you don't go along with friends
knowing that you're gonna that they're gonna do something bad,
Like that's not a good friend. And that was also
I thought, was I'm like, wow, that's like it actually
like a really good parenting thing. Like if you know
someone has intentions of kind of like trying to do
something they shouldn't do and you know better, don't go
(28:11):
along for the ride and support them through that talk
try to talk them out of it kind of situation.
So that's why they get in trouble because now at
this point he sees them just as guilty as Mary
for stealing the glass because they were in the getaway car.
They were all yeah, yeah, and then and then it's
(28:32):
another great parenting point.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And then speaking of great parenting, Anny then reads Lucy's
paper and immediately recognizes the plagiarism that's on.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Display, which which I was like, wow.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I actually thought to myself, like, I wonder if if
I would notice, you know, like if if a year after,
if my if my kid a year later like copied
a paper, what I even noticed?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
And I don't know that the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think that there's so there's two kinds of kids.
There's like the kids that like kind of like review
their papers with their parents, and then there's those that
just turn it in. I feel like also that like
Mary would have needed help with the crucible.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh but well I didn't think about it like that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, maybe maybe Annie was there to help Mary with
her paper and that's why she remembers it so well
or something like that. Yeah, that's because Mary's not like
established to be very as studious.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
As Lucy is. Yeah, exactly, Yeah that works. I like that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's where I was going with it. Okay, And also
I love like this scene because Lucy like doesn't even
try to. There's she's just she owns it right away. Yeah,
she screwed up. She she's trying to do too much.
She's It's funny when they're talking about juggling the boyfriend
(29:58):
and Dwight and that I just wrote Lucy loves love
and she loves to be liked, even by Dwight because
like the fact that like this is part of the
problem that she can't get her paper done, I thought
was like interesting, so funny.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I love that Jimmy Moon's like character and fandom is
so strong that they had to immediately give him a sidekick.
He immediately was given a sidekick, which I had forgotten
about until these rewatches, and uh and I feel like
it was well deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
A sidekick that is also trying to steal his girl.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah yeah, and that there they both and and like
it's not a secret, Like he tells Jimmy Moon, like
I like your girl, Bro, I'm gonna steal your girl.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And he's like, you can't worry and try me, bro.
You know, it's very it's so awkward.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
And cute and like and and like unique. I guess
in like this kind of in the way that we
normally tell these high school stories. It is so awkward
and cute and unique.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, and it's also funny just because it is true
that like middle school romance is just so weird. It's like,
I like you, you like me? Okay, are we dating?
And like you even ask them, they're like what does
that mean? They're like they don't know, So like this
whole thing like you're my you're my boyfriend, you're my friend.
Like it's just like so funny. It just it cracks
(31:26):
me up, especially now that I've got a middle schooler.
I'm like, ah, but moving on, because the cutest thing
is Ruthie trying to learn the Star Spangled banner. I
just I feel like there's such heaviness in the episode
and such like downfalls, like having these cute moments with you,
mac Are and David.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Like it's just so sweet and this is one of
those classic like like me and Mac are the tag
team to lighten it up, and especially in the early
days of the episodes, I mean, we had this job
all the time where like they would cut back to
us and we would be getting into trouble or doing
something cute and arguing with each other about it.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And I do enjoy.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
The kind of like the brotherly sisterly love that we
have that we're like I'm always looking out for you
and watching you and like protecting you, but then we're
also always bickering.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's fun. It's very cute and relatable.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I also need to mention that, like I love
your stuff, Mac too, because it was very early on
that they were able to write specifically for you because
you didn't do like not everything was cutesy like a
lot of actors, like a lot of young actors would
do everything as like being super cute. You had sarcasm,
(32:49):
you were funny because like you always had this like
there was a wisdom to Ruthie in everything that she said,
and like her comeback with with Simon that it was
so cute to watch you keep him on his toes.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It wasn't just the writings could there there was there
was so much more.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It was.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It was just very sweet, very fun and also like
now knowing you're kind of who you are and like
the way you talk and the like your humor, it's
funny to kind of see that there were elements that
were starting to come in the writing even back then
of just your sarcasm and your kind of your quick
(33:33):
wit and intelligence.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think, uh, while we were while we've been rewatching
these episodes together more than once, uh, we we would
be watching a little Simon and Ruthie scene or whatever,
and Shauna would be like, Max still makes that face.
There was like a couple of your reactions and like,
and Shauna's like, I've seen that face. Back makes that
(33:57):
face out.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
At the end of the when I sing that Star
Spigel and Banners song and I go like, this.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Face.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I totally did that. Yeah, I was like, wait a.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Minute, yeah, it's it is amazing. It's amazing to see
an even littler you making making the same faces with
the same sass.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What's really gonna be trippy is when Ophelia starts making
those faces and you're gonna be like, what is happening?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I know, dude, her hair's so fun is like, well,
looking like my hair after I got out of the chair.
Oh yeah, right, now we're.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I know. I Also I also mentioned I think in
my notes, I was like, wow, those curls are tight.
Like this episode, your curls were tighter than normal, like
you had to sit in that chair a lot longer.
I think those were real tight curls.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I know. I have the burns to prove it.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I know because for all of you who don't know,
like Max hair was not naturally that curly, so those
were each ud like.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was really curly. But curls are different every single
day of dry So even if you have the curliest hair,
it's got to be curled. Well at least that's what
they told me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's what they told you controlled chaos.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, yeah, I know, but they weren't like that. Actually,
Ophelia's are more like that than I think mine were.
I don't know. I had like more light socket curls,
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And I also love we have the great Dorian Harewood
who plays Reverend Hamilton, and I also love which I
wish we had done more. I love that Matt can't
talk to Eric, and it's also, I would say, the
first introduction to this relationship of that there is a
(36:02):
little bit of tension between Eric and Matt, and I
think it's been building through the season.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and Eric's so pushy too.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Eric is always quick to blame Matt, and I think also,
I guess I didn't realize that pressure of the first born.
Also when I'm an only child, so I've never really
experienced it, but now seeing it with.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Kenzie the first and the youngest, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
The first, the youngest, in the middle, I'm all of them.
But but you are kind of harder on the firstborn
because there's like more expectations. There's David, you know better
than I do know.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
And also I see it now in myself with my
two because now I have, you know, for in my
little baby, and I have Lily who's now do on
big sister duty and stuff, and I can already see
that the tendency to be harder on Lily about stuff
than is necessary, you know, and are having that higher
stand of expectation for no apparent reason.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Interesting, same and I see that with Kensey. But I
think watching the episode and seeing it with Matt, I
never like that never clicks for me until now of
how hard Eric is on Matt, the expectations, the demands,
and I think there's a point where like Matt's like,
(37:23):
I'm a good kid, trusts that I'm a good kid,
and Eric just doesn't and is so hard on him.
So Matt goes to talk to Reverend Hamilton because he
can't talk to his dad. And I think that that
was also interesting.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, and a wise choice, very wise choice. Yeah, he's it's.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Not like he goes to get advice in the wrong places. No,
he goes excellent backup choice totally for advice.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, Well then we have Lucy makes a confess to
the teacher. The teacher takes it quite well, which is
probably experience.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What's cool about this is that there's two instances of
like coming clean right with with doing something wrong, and
the show gives you both outcomes, because when you come
clean about something, yes you are doing the right thing,
but you're still admitting that you did the wrong thing first.
And so there's the like, I don't care that you
(38:28):
came clean, there's gonna be consequences, and the thank you
for coming clean, I'll give you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
A second chance.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
So Lucy gets that from her teacher, like who is
just so relieved to have some honesty in her classroom,
A student who has who doesn't need to be caught,
who admits to the wrongdoing, and she gives you that
second chance. Whereas in the situation with Matt and the
Varsity and the cup. You know, he just goes, I'm
(38:58):
pressing charges like you know me and uh and and
takes it to the you know, to the highest level
of consequence.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I think I even wrote I said, the real
question is where do you draw the line when you
want to make an example, But also you have to
like acknowledge that someone when someone is doing the right thing.
Just like you said, David, I think that there is
there is a lesson there. I wrote the puppies because
of the puppies. We did get to see the puppies.
That was something that like we got to continue from
(39:29):
the episode before.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And those are the ones that were your friend's puppies, right,
not not the little bitty puppies.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I don't remember. I just remember some of them
being puppies.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well I think it was them. I'm pretty sure, okay,
And I mean it was definitely two sets of puppies
for sure, but true.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Well, next up we have the scene where, uh, where
Ruthie and Simon finally learned the story behind the national
anthem from their babysitter.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Which is actually he tells a great story.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Great story. Yeah, I actually really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's like I've been you know, I live in that
area now, and so I've like been on boats like
numerous times sailing it, like going right by Fort McHenry,
and like, I don't know, I get to like actually
picture that in real life. No, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Really fun because I don't I don't remember this from
the episode, but when I was watching, I was like,
that's really cool, like to like have the basis of
what the star Spangled banner.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
See them watching it through the No, but like he
was watching it like through some window. I guess it
was a ship or something, but it is mell.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
According to Seventh Heaven, that's what it was. And so
I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
They've taken that.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
They've taken the episode's gag right, and they turned it
into like we like to do a proper lesson, something
you could walk away from and go, huh, cool, I
learned something. And so then even our little gag has
this kind of like satisfying payoff at the end where
we learned the historical like we learned the historical circumstance
(41:12):
behind the writing of our national anthem, which is which
is a cool little thing to throw in there to
give it some some weight.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
In some purpose, and also by the way. I also
love the way she's teaching you because it is easier
to remember when there's a story to be told versus
just words to be said, so that it's much easier
to memorize that way. So I thought that that was
that was great. Then we go back to Matt and
(41:42):
Core and I love. We have Matt feeling that Eric
is always writing him so hard, and he feels like
Matt's that Eric is always mad at him, and there's
a moment where I think this is actually interesting because
oftentimes our episodes were very like, kind of singular, but
this is actually a setup for our next episode. I
(42:03):
only know this because I accidentally watched the wrong one,
which is that Eric kind of always felt this pressure
and this anger from his father, and he didn't realize
that he is basically repeating the pattern of how he
(42:24):
was treated and he's still angry about it. But yet
he's doing this to Matt, and Matt calls it out yeah,
and also says like, I I have something to tell you,
but I cannot tell you. Now we all know what
that is, but Eric still has no idea. I remember,
actually this courthouse was in plia Vista. It was down
(42:46):
in the big hangars.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That used to be.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well now plia Vista is like huge and like completely
like built out, but as.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's like airport hangers.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Or no, no, no, no, plia Vista like literally underneath LMU.
It was right there. It was a big there used
to be big airplanes down there. And I just remember,
I don't know why. It's one of the few times
that we shot at night, probably because it's the only
time we could get the stage to be in the courthouse.
(43:18):
And I remember the smell of it. I remember everything.
And I also just remember there's so many of us
this court we had it. We had so many extras. Yeah,
and we have all.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
These extra The entire school team shows up.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, because Mary finally admits, like when when Matt's in trouble,
Mary finally admits that it was her and she can't
let this go on anymore. And then thank you Reverend Hamilton,
because this Reverend Hamilton's hero. He's the hero moment where
the entire school brings in all the things that they
(43:54):
stole from the varsity. I also have it noted that
the first few people are football players in full pads
and in full uniform walking into the court.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
They is they psyched themselves.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Out, but yes, they were.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
They were like.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That. I think that's one. He may have had helmets.
I don't know, but it was like the one thing
I noted was like, oh my gosh, they're walking in
full uniform. What is happening? Because it's like, also, the
entire courtroom is filled with kids who have stolen things
from the varsity. Again, this is all from Reverend Hamilton,
(44:42):
who basically put it all together because he's the one
who knew. He's the one who knew from the get go.
He's like, I know Matt didn't steal this. You kids
are in trouble. I'm going to figure out how to
make this right. Mary is the one who didn't.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I know this is a sports team thing, and I
know Matt doesn't play sports, so he's keen to it
right away.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, and then he also knows. He's like, I also
know I do the sports banquet. I know that these
what these kids do because it looks like a like
at the varsity store, which, by the way, also if
that was the case, well I wasn't it called out earlier. Anyway,
I'm not going to say anything, yea, yeah, waiting for
their waiting for it. They were waiting for a teachable moment,
(45:22):
and of course Eric admits our Eric suggests that, you know,
maybe there's some kids that will help, you know, do
some dishes and clean some things to make up for
their poor choices. And of course all the charges get dropped.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, we get our we get our victory.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
We get our victory.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And it's I don't know, it's it's it's a relief,
I guess, given the the uh, the drama of the
circumstance over a cup. But but then we all we
all go, we all come back together as a family,
and I have in my notes, I think we've heard
all the confessions we can deal with today, Lucy. Lucy
(46:09):
just wants to just keep the confessions flowing. Feels really
good to let it off your chest.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
What else did I confess?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I think you're talking about your paper again. But it's uh,
but you're told to like to chill out.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
We're done. This episode's over, Lucy, please, you know what?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And honestly, I feel that in my life and I
feel that I feel that for Lucy. I feel yeah,
I feel like the problem is she's an overshare. She
just you know, she really Oh.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
You just get into it whatever's happening. You're just really
into it. And it's confessing right now.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, I mean passion. I guess. I guess Lucy and
Beverly are alike in the fact that I also just
aired out some dirty laundry too. So that's right, can
we we could we could just yeah, I know there's
a there's actually you know, there should be a mute
button here. I mean, we do have remote access that
we should just like just cut off.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
The mic and then we end the episode, yeah, with
the big payoff for for our gag, where where Ruthie
sings for everybody the national anthem, which is which is adorable,
asdorable as it should be, and uh and that UH
are with with pride.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
We we fade to black. It's the uh. That's the end,
the the tie up.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
And this is like, this is one of those episodes.
This is a standout episode that a lot of people remember,
that a lot of people talk about, and it was
fun to rewatch because it's, uh, there was so much
more to it than what I remembered.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, true, I had no teeth in this episode,
you have one no teeth.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
That's what happens when you're like six. Yeah, you didn't
have a flipper?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, I do remember it being discussed. Did either of
you ever work with a flipper? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, I had flippers. And for anyone who doesn't know
what a flipper is, it's basically like a retainer with
fake teeth that like can fill in the gap of
if you have if you've lost a tooth, So that
way you could always have perfect teeth, because sometimes you'd
lose the two front teeth and then you talk funny
and they don't want it, Like it's really hard to work.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
And I hadn't saying about any teeth fake teeth.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
And when I made Look Who's talking now?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
When I was eight years old, the first film that
I was in, I booked the film and I lost
my two front teeth.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Oh man, for most of the movie, I'm.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Wearing a flipper and my two front teeth, and I remember, huh.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
How uncomfortable is it. I have a friend who had
one actually as a retainer. He never wore it.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
It's like it's like a retainer. But it's weird though,
because like sometimes your tongue tries to like play with
the only word for what I used to like.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
What the flipper because it was uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
Oh well, well, on that note, I think that is
a perfectly good wrap up of America's.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Most Got Talent Episode thirteen.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Would you say I said got talent?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Oh, America's got talent? America's Yeah, America's Most Wanted Episode thirteen,
Season one. You guys were doing it where we are
slowly cranking through these rewatches. We only have two hundred,
two hundred and thirty more to go. Don't you worry
about a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
If I if I go on America's Got Do you
think I should sing the Star Spangled banner? Because you should?
That might be a unique talent according to Eric, just
saying okay.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
This has been catching up with the Camdens. This was
the rewatch for America's Most Wanted. Make sure to like
subscribe and do all the things and thank you guys
for coming along. We are going to crank through season one.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
We can do it, you guys, We can do it.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Hey guys.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
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