December 8, 2025 • 45 mins
Keri Russell shows up as Camille to lead Mary astray, Tom is hot and hiding something, Simon and Ruthie spend their found $50 on illegal ferrets (naturally), and Lucy goes on a religious investigation. Bev, Mack, and David break down all the Camden chaos in 7th Heaven’s S1/E17, “Choices.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mac found her homework. She took it from the dogs.
They did not eat it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are good, such great homework.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You did such great homework. Are you ready to do
the intro?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Though? As the kid who definitely scores at the top
of their class, I did such great.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Homework I did, Mac. Do you want to take the intro?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, guys, this is another episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. I'm Mackenzie. Uh, Beverly is also here, and
so is David, and we are going to rewatch an
episode about choices.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yes, this is a good episode. Thank you for introducing us, Mac.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
You're welcome parts, Mac.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I love that you're mixing it up.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This is funny enough is like there you never know
what to expect when we have Mac lead us off,
which is what I love. We're Oh, you always have
us on the seat of our chairs waiting to see
what is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, we're all on the same page then, because I
never know, we.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Also are waiting and you don't know what's gonna happen either.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So this is uh season one, episode seventy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You can open us up with Okay, Yeah, So this
scene opens with Mary in detention.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Mm hmm, that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
This is the beginning of the end, right, this is
where she like starts.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Really, the spiral has already begun.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, the spiral has begun. Mary is going she is
our problem child.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And she's in detention with with the bad girl played
by none other than Carry Russell, the amazing Carrier Russell.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
She's in detention with Felicity.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Carrie Russell, and Carrie Russell's hair. So the three of
them are in detention.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Can we just please talk about everyone wanted Carrie Russell's
hair because she is just stunning.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yep, she looks so beautiful in detention.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
I don't know if it would look that great on me,
but I think.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Everything everybody wanted Carrie Russell's hair.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
I mean, I'll take it if it's available, I guess.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So she's kind of trying to, you know, talk to
Mary about going to this party, and Mary's like, what
in high school? And and then after that might have
notes about the next scene. So Annie is using a
pair of antique lamps because Annie is misfix it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We're just gonna let Mac take this one. She's just
gonna ride through got.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It, and I looked up what these clamps are because
they found they seemed a little bit interesting and rather antique.
And they're called parallel jaw clamps, and they are useful
because you can very more precisely adjust pinpoint pressure on
whatever the object that you're clamping together is. In this case,
it's some sort of secretary desk. I'm not sure, but
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there are useful clamps for those who liked it would work. Apparently,
this is what's.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Happening with this episode. Okay, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, So because my notes, my notes was that Ruthie
wanted a pet and a hamster and a gold thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't know where you start talking about clamps. I
have that, and.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Ruthie wants a pet too, I did, Yeah, Ruthie wants
a pet.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, so we do get that the parallel.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Jaw clamps were more interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
But can we talk about the clamps?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes, what are They're cool?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I think those are parallel jaw clamps. That's what Annie's using.
They're more interesting. Also, Matt is covering from Mary yet again.
He's saying that Mary is at practice when she's actually
in attention, which I think is rather surprising that the
Camdens even think that they could pull detention off, Like,
how did the parents not know that the kids in attention?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That seems overly optimistic to me. But what do I know.
I've never been into.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, if you're not picking your kid up from school,
then like I guess maybe you don't know, you know
what I mean. Also, I don't know if the school's
back then like called the parents over every little thing.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You know, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
They just like they stuck your kid int attention and
and then you were waiting outside for your kid at
pick up, Like.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Where's it's going on?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well Annie has always mad a passion. She's like in
the office season because apparently it's the off season and
people don't practice then. But Mary's committed. She's you know,
set the record that she's committed.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And so though like doesn't she like because she's not
they say she's Matt says she's at practice, but she
like goes out with with uh Felicity.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They go out.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They do. Yeah, they go to the mall and there's
a dress that looks really great.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Wait, wait we're skipping.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, David Dole McKenzie this episode. Okay, that's my job.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Okay, oh excuse me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We're missing big things. We were missing the taxi with
Tom arriving.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So objectifying Tom and this. If the roles were reversed
and Tom as a female and everyone's just commenting on
how good looking he is, it would not fly. I
think it's it's going to be stood up for. He's
being objectified in this episode my opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So he's being so, he's being complimented.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He is being complimented, but it just feels more.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Can we get an kisses him hot?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Hold on everyone's would you please listen? I need everyone's
attention right now, kisses him on the lips? Really, can
we talk about this?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I didn't see this.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Man comes in, she sees him and she kisses him like.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's a good that you're also taking notes. I did
not see that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Oh he's hot, because I was like, I noticed that,
But it doesn't it's not as shocking to me.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
On the East Coast.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Uh, family will will kiss each other like that. He's
not family, No, but like family friends close, like people
that are that are like like a kiss on the
lips is not as like intimate automatic is it is considered.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh it threw off here some flags for me because
I was like, uh, because also it's very clear as
we continue on that Eric has feelings about mister Tom, which,
by the way, also Tom drops fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Ruthy and Simon find it when they're on their walk
trying to discuss. Oh, there are some funny lines from
Simon on that walk too.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So Tom arrives and Annie goes.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
She gets her good china to.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Town with the tea set and has like a full
like we have fancy tea.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, she's she's hot for Tom, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, apparently, and she even invites him to stay at
the house. Because I wrote that Annie seems smitten with
this guy because she is all over him and Eric
is not a fan, which, by the way, I wouldn't
be either, because she definitely like was fluttering her eyelight lashes.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She was all about mister Tom.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
If any had a thing with Tom, she wouldn't be
that obvious about it. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, it's Anny.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
What was interesting to me about it is that like
they're definitely playing up that Annie thinks that Tom is handsome,
and she kisses him on the mouth when she greets him,
like they give a a not like a passionate kiss
or anything, but a greeting. Yeah, and she's definitely making
(08:25):
a big deal over Tom.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But it seems pretty clear to me that Eric's.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Problem with Tom is not that Annie finds him attractive
or is making a big deal over him, Like there
isn't a jealousy like piece to Eric's problem with Tom.
Eric has a pre existing problem with Tom where he
doesn't trust him because he feels like Tom is hiding something.
But the fact that everyone's all gaga about Tom is
(08:53):
like old news, Like he expects this. Everyone thinks Tom's
very handsome and makes a big deal over him, and
no one it's not even really considered an issue, right
I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, that everybody Tom's handsomeness is probably part of what
has made him not be as suspicious in the eyes
of others, who are distracted by his dashing good looks too.
You know, you can get.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Away, Eric, Eric is not so taken with Tom's appearance,
and therefore he can sense the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Something you sees something he sees something else, And then
we see this is where we also see Lucy and
where she's apologizing for. She doesn't even know what she's
apologizing for, but she's apologizing because she is so afraid
of being in trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yes, oh, when you go to Eric.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, because he wants to talk to me, and the
moment he wants to talk to me, I assume I'm
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So whatever the course, right, you know, if my if
my parents call me and say, hey, we got to talk,
I'm like, what I do? Like even now I'm forty,
you know, and I still will be like, what I happened?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
What I do, I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I did it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I would assume I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And I just galloped away.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So you didn't say sorry, you just left.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I just avoided gotted a million things that I thought
they might have wanted to say to me about the
grass and then and then I was too far away,
and they're like, I can't hear you.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So then we see Simon and Ruthie walking happy and
they find the fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Obviously, no one in our family it's fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I know. I wrote that line too, because I thought
that was really funny obviously, Noah, it's not. It doesn't
belong to our family. Think the audience, fifty dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Fifty dollars, by the way, with inflation, would be worth
two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Dollars today or something like that. It's like finding hundreds
of dollars on the street is.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Basically about right. I mean, I think that a pair
of fair It's could cost about.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Maybe that, Yeah, probably at least I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And then we have when Mary sneaks in and lies
about practice and black. You can see kind of like
Matt of course doing the like making the weird faces
in the backdrop so that he doesn't get he doesn't
get caught that he lied.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But he was at a party where there was beer.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That was before. Yeah, that's why he did that before.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But now Mary wants to go to the mall with Camille,
and Matt immediately jumps in and says.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
No, because Matt knows Camille's bad news, like her reputation exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
She is rubble, Carrie Russell, trouble. I love her, and
this is obviously before she was Felicity. She started with us,
but our little yeah she wasn't, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Came out after a few years after.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah was the Americans, I think I saw her now.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yes, she's incredible. She's such an incredible actress. She's so
good and even what I love too is like the
subtleness and it just goes to show you that it
doesn't matter what the part is, but like if you
have Like I thought she did such a great job
in this episode. I thought she was so subtle, so wonderful,
so charming, because it's so easy to take that and
(12:37):
just make it bigger than it needed to be.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
She counts here so good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's just very clear that she was going to be
a star clearly from the beginning, because even in this role,
I thought she was fantastic. I like Simon's way of
making excuses to keep the money, and like how he's
talking through it with Ruthie, because Ruthie's like, we should
just give it to mom and dad, and Simon's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
wo whoa, let's talk about this. Yeah, we mean dad,
(13:09):
it like that right, and fifty is five thousand pennies,
We're rich.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I like the way. And then Ruthie's like, eyes like
get real white because.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Now it's all about perspective.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Understanding exactly, which I love.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And then Lucy wants hot minister to help her study.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I think what was interesting is this is when we
skipped over what Eric wanted to talk to Lucy about
her like confirmation her church, and she kind of talks
to Tom, and Tom kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Gives her this idea of.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exploring religion and seeing making sure that this is the
right choice for her and whether or not like this
is what she wants, or if there's other things out
there which she, in her mind have has never even
thought of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So she kind of.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Gives Lucy the advice that Eric wouldn't, which.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Is what wouldn't go.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
In and see, like what other religions have to offer
to make sure that this is the religion that you
want to dedicate yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
To, which I think is really an important point too.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's actually it's a very choice you make for yourself
is a much better one makes for you, exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I think the fact that Lucy at her age is
asked to decide her religion for the rest of her life,
and this with these sort of uh dire you know,
circumstances like you must decide now, clearly you're ready to
decide things for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now she can't even figure out her stile. I mean,
what are we talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So she's gonna be then we go by the rest
of her life. And I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
If Lucy had her choice at that time, she would
be with Jimmy Moon for the rest of her life.
So clearly she's not ready to make lifelong decisions at
this point in time, at the ripe.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Old age of.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Twelve.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Old she was, not it was, it was she's technically
a woman in the eyes of bail.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay, First of all, that is not really I mean,
I got my that doesn't mean anything in your period
at all times.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I know, I know, I know Jesse wrote a book
about it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But I know Jesse did write a book about it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
She wrote a book about period, so that way by
Jesse's book now I don't remember what the name is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I'm proud of her. That's great.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
She is.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
She is all about it and she's about knowledge's power.
I'm still waiting for someone to have the talk with
me because no one did.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay, cool, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Okay, so then we have I wrote that like Annie's
a smitt and kitten, and like she kind of starts
talking to Tom's and then Eric kind of gets pushed
out of the conversation and like kind of walks off,
and that's when he kind of pawns Eric and Matt
kind of pawn off Ruthie and Simon to go to
(16:32):
the mall with Mary and commute. Yeah, and then we
have like kind of this revelation that like Tom has
a secret. We already know that Eric doesn't trust him,
but the secret is he's taking medication.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That my daughter used to take, like big deal epilepsy medication.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
We don't know it that we don't know that it's epileptic.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean, really, wait to make a mountain out of
a molehill here, guys, heavens, but.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It does.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It certainly becomes a double hill mountain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Doesn't it. And so then what do you have, David?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh, I had Tom as a vegetarian with the secrets
my note of that scene. But then we, uh, we
get sent to the mall, and then we're not we're
not quite at the mall yet.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Then we go back to being interested in Buddhism.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Lucy wants to investigate Buddhism why, which is, uh.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Why because Richard Gear likes it?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh that's right, Yeah, because she's into because but.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, because relevant sex symbol. Richard Gear at the time
was Buddhist apparently yep.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And then Ruthy and Simon at the mall so cute.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's right, and then Simon flirts with Camille to get
his ways, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I love it. I love that you're like taking your shot.
You're like, let's just go for it.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, So Simon and shot successful by the way, it
goes over smashingly.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I love that the line is I will tell you
right now that you great in.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Its so good, It's so good the commitment.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And then I also love that they that Camille talks about,
like going to a frat party at nine thirty. I mean,
I don't know if you guys have been to frat parties,
but like nine thirty is like pre game, Like you
don't even like there's no parties not starting.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Nobody's nobody's even nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It didn't look that much party guys were you Were
you watching the same party that I was watching?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean I know, but I'm just saying it
is like you're.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Going to have gotten to the threshold. And then.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well it was just a party of four, wasn't it. Yeah,
it was like it was barely an party.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It wasn't There was no dinner and then Tom and
Annie like having the time of their life playing gym.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's right, Annie is the gin queen.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Can I say something about the mall scene? That was
probably I thought like the cutest scene so far in
Seventh Heaven, obviously because I was in.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It, but fair enough.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No true, But like Simon and Ruthy with like this
drug deal wrote in buy like when they're talking to.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That we haven't gotten there. You're skipping.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh I thought we skipped it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's next the revelation that they overhear that like, oh,
you can make money, and then they try to buy
a pet and then obviously the pet store is like
no way where your parents.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The problem with my writing and these notes is I.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Can't read it. There's the the idea that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
We could bre hamsters, yeah, to make money because someone's
selling the pet store hamsters.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Because he's a bank of Simon his mind is like, wow,
we've got like, let me do the calculations.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
In my mind, it's gonna pay for college, which you say,
if he only.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Knew, if if you breed hamsters and we're just gonna
start with two, and you're gonna be able to with
the fifty dollars you found. This is the most this
is the most intelligent business decision you can make. Yes,
zero investment and you get denied, which is so cute.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And then you come out and then Mac take it
from there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh god. Well, then there's the shady, shady ferret salesman
who by I mean he just looks like he's trench.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Coat farrot salesman. I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Looking he's like, hey, I want to buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, you know it's such a like eight kids.
It's so funy, how just like trench coat salesman.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
It is.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, their little heads are sticking out and he's like,
right next to the store.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Ruthie wants to have two hamsters that are married, please right,
because we plan on breathing them.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Very cute.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Also, I'm jumping back when when before that, when Annie
and Tom are playing gin and Tom's storms out of
the door and says I'm not good with situations, Like
don't you think that's a bit weird? Like, isn't a
minister's job to deal with situations? Couldn't you have come
up with a better lie?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
All of his.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Uh are weird. Yeah, all of.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
His moments about being upset about his secret are obvious
and strange and like.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, not connected.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
They don't actually make a whole lot of sense, like
he's not being able to deal with the widow or
didn't preaching quite connect.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Like uh, you know, I mean he isn't it his
like wasn't he educated on, you know, accepting things that
are less than perfect? And then why this like totally
unchristian approach to his own being. It makes no sense
to me whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, they try to justify it later, but it's it's
it comes across as a weak justification for how he's acting.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I definitely feel like this one was a little bit
more of a myth.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes for me, But thank god for that ferret scene
because it saved the episode.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That storyline was a little weird. Yeah, but then we have.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I do have to laugh at the scene where like
Lucy's just like staring at Matt because he's stuck with
her and she's kind of like studying, and it's just
this very awkward.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It just made me.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It made me giggle because I just remember like how
it would be so weird being with Barry in that
scene and trying to keep a straight face.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, that was just like a.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Cute, cute moment, just because Barry looks so annoyed with Lucy,
which I'm sure bad.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Back in that day.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I'm sure I probably did stare at him a bit
because I didn't know what to say to him. Okay,
so then I love when we get to Simon and
Lucy come home and you're squirming because apparently you guys
are the ferrets are on your bodies.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That's right, we have them in our coats, and we're
like giggling and running upstairs and nobody questioned.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Everyone's like, oh weird. You know, they let us.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
They let us get upstairs with two ferrets, and then.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Lucy gets stuck covering.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Lucy gets stuck covering for Mary.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I have Simon and Ruthie are suspicious af that's an acronym.
By the way, The Camdens are terrible liars.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
A big exclamation.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Man.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
This is probably one of the episodes where we first
established that, which is a common theme throughout the whole
show how bad we are lying. But this this episode,
what it does succeed in is really highlighting that front
and center.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So Lucy is going to go to a rave with
Johnny Depp? What that sounds fun? Lucy is somewhere you
mentioned rave with Johnny Depp?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Johnny Depp is name dropped? Yes, I don't remember the context.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Remember I do you think about going to a rave
with him?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh? I think it's because like it's when she decides
or when Mary asks her to like cover up for
her and now she has to. Lucy is completely over
the top Matt suspicious, and like the way she kind
of covers for Mary is saying that she's sleeping, and
then that Lucy of course wants to talk, which that's
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just the that's a punishment for Matt.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Basically when Lucy just decides that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She just won't shut up, Yeah, and she wants to bond.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So and then I said Mary's outfit for the frat
party when she's like leaving the house was just very questionable.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh my god, that's pretty sure. I wanted to give
her the Style Award for the episode because.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's so terrible.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And then I have like the ferrets. I just wrote
the ferrets because they were like running around. And then
and then.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
We have Camille who stole this dress for Mary, which.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Mary gets into Camille's car and Camille presents her with
the dress she tried on at the mall and and
she's like, why did you get this for me? And
she's like, I didn't buy it for you.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And then she rips the like security tag off and
now it has like a.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Slit and she's so cool.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And then I wrote Matt is over talking to Lucy,
which I don't think he's not talking. It's basically Lucy
just has not shut up because she also is like
a nervous talker, so if she's lying, she just like
keeps going.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
She can't like she can't stop herself.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Period.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh, and then we have the tom goes on a walk,
and then the ferret's eating the cereal because apparently these
pirits went to town pretty quickly and they.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Got in they immediately went downstairs into the upper cabinets
of the kitchen and chewed through the cereal box and
had a snack, and then and then went elsewhere, like
all in the span of I don't even known perhaps
an hour.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And also the fact that Eric still eats said cereal
when they think it's mice, which.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Is just great gross.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It reminds me of like my dad cutting the mold
off of cheese and bread.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I love it because he's like, he's like angry and
he wants his snack and he doesn't give it shit.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He's like, give me this cereal and don't question me.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He just like doesn't care. It's very it's very funny.
I found it funny. I don't know if I would
do that. I'm sure I wouldn't, but it is funny.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think that was funny too.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Tom at the pool hall drinking Slice because he doesn't drink,
so we've established that, like he's not he's not an alcoholic. Again,
we're leading up to making it think like he is,
but then we find out it's slice.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
No, he's drinking like soda at.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The Yeah, he acts like he's happy though.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah he acts like he's drunk, but he's not.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And then that and all his SODA's for the night
are like seven bucks, which is like what one soda costs.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Now, that's like again talking about it.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Being like cab for the night.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Wow, we must have gotten a discount.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And that's when we realize that Tom has lost his fifty,
or he has realized.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
And then he realized he lost his fifty.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
We go back to Mary and Camille at the frat party,
which is not a frat party. It's basically two guides and.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Its American party. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And Camille kind of like yells at Mary and says
to stop being a baby.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Because she says, don't kill my vibe, don't.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Don't get look back. And then Annie's setting traps for
said mice that ate the cereal.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, Annie is on the case.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And Lucy is still covering for Mary.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And Lucy also wants to learn about the Quakers.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah as well, she's moved on from Buddhism to to
the Quakers yep, as her second option.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I like Lucy's line, you know me, I would rather talk,
which is yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I like how they compare meditation. How Eric compares meditation
is more of listening and prayer is talking. Like that,
he makes the comparison, that sort of analogy there between them.
I thought, yeah, kind of interesting. Actually, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
It holds good. It's a good analogy.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And then can we talk about the beeper beep me paging.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yes, Beeper's beepers were more prevalent in the early season
that I had remembered, but we were definitely in the
beeper era when we started.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I remember because I remember Stephen always having that
beeper on tamp. I just always remember, like that was
always a prop that, like, just like the wedding ring
went on, the beeper went on.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It was like always I remember that as well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I like that Simon thought that by the time he
was a doctor, we'd still be using Beeper's doctor Camden paging,
doctor Simon Camden, that's what you say to Annie. And
when see when you're trying to sell something probably dent related, that's.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Right when I'm trying to convince everyone that the ferret
breeding scheme is totally going to get me into medical school.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So we then go back to Mary, who's uncomfortable at
the party.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
She wants to go home.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They think she's eighteen mm hmm, because Camille has kind
of set it up that she's not. Then we have Annie,
who sees the finally sees the ferrets.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yes, back upstairs. The ferrets have made their way back upstairs,
and and they're hiding in the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, they were in a drawer.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
In the drawer, yeah, she cozy little nest or something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And then that's when Simon and Ruthie come come running in.
And this is an adorable scene.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love when.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Simon it starts talking Bank of Simon talk. He talks
about math and college and and all the reasons why
we need to keep these farrots.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He's doing and he's doing a very hurried elevator pitch
for his UH for his college scheme, because the ferrets
are in imminent danger now that they've been found by Annie,
who's been to kill them.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
She's gonna kill it. Yeah. And then Matt comes running in,
or Matt comes in.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Lucy comes in because she gets the call from Mary
who is frightened and needs rescuing, and then tries to
get Mad to go get her.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I was proud of Lucy. She was doing a
good job. She was still covering and being a good sister.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think Lucy was the best liar in this whole episode.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Why thank you, because she just used her talents of talking.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
She has some near near missus, Uh, it really really
will well handled.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And then we calls.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah there were some close calls, but then we finally
get this the big realization of what.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Tom's problem is.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's right, and his problem is not that he's an alcoholic,
not that he's a pill popper, not that he's too handsome,
but that he has epilepsy. So this one I did
not remember, but when I was watching it, I was like,
for real, like that's what we're gonna have his issue be.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I thought it was something I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, this was a miss for me because I was like,
that's one not something that you should be.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, I just felt like.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I should think it's the embarrassment. I think it's.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Okay, is what what I'm just like struggling with.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I think they're they're trying to say something about having
some uncommon condition, right, that is physical and jarring. Right,
Having an epileptic seizure is something that kind of overcomes you.
It's not something you can control, and I think it's
perfectly fine to do to talk about that being sensitive
(33:07):
and embarrassing for the person who's dealing with it. But
the way that they tried to frame him being embarrassed
by it, like he was going to excommunicate himself from
society over.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It, exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And that and that felt immature and silly coming from
a grown man, you know who is and particularly from
a grown man who whose job it is to help
people in need, people with conditions, people with problems, to
be someone who's level headed and understanding, which is what
it was required of the job of being a kind
(33:44):
of a preacher and a minister and a community leader.
For him to not have sort of any understanding or
compassion for his own condition seemed seemed off and enforced.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
That's and that's where.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And again it's not a not a take it the
actor at all or whatever. Just the way that it
was framed in the episode felt very contrived.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I agree that like it was. It just seemed like
the wrong the shoe didn't fit.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Like David said, I felt like he had no grace
for himself, which is in the religion in which we're
talking about of like having understanding.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Just didn't Yeah, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And then Eric kind of saying like he's the strongest
man he's ever met for keeping this secret. And you
can see that like now, Eric kind of has now
forgiven everything about Tom and is now like kind of
very supportive, and there's been a huge shift in Eric's
demeanor towards Tom. Yeah, with this like openness of like, hey,
(34:53):
I have epilepsy.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Felt like the big thing for me was also just
like I don't I I haven't necessarily met a lot
of people with epilepsy, but like, I wouldn't have thought
there would be so much.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Of someone trying to hide it.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
No, I agree, And maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's it's hard to gauge, but yeah, it doesn't seem
like the kind of given the way that they've they
set it up, and they and they and they set
up the reveal of what his issue turned out to be,
it felt like it fell flat because the expectation they
set up was that it was something much more severe,
(35:38):
or perhaps more scandalous, or perhaps.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You know, something something legitimate. Why are being ashamed of?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You know, especially coming off of our alcoholic episodes and
some of the other really heavier episodes that we've had
so far.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
The used car salesman who didn't want his own kid,
Like hello, Yeah, I mean that's a storyline to be
ashamed of. Sure, they just trade places. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So then Matt picks Mary up, he demands Camille come,
He threatens her and threatens to like throw her in
the car. And I love the fact that Matt counts
like a like honestly, like you're an adult with like
a five year old child when you're trying to get
them to do what you want, and you start saying
like one, two, and Matt literally is counting for Camille
(36:30):
and then she finally like yeah. And then I love
the line too, how many ways can you go wrong
in one sentence?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
That was and that's when Annie is mad, Lucy's.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Gonna be punished, Matt was being a good big brother,
and then Lucy having to go to confirmation class, and
then let's talk about deep shit.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
So the best hold on, don't you skip it? I'm
not okay, don't you skip it?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Ben trying?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Don't you dare? I was trying the best part?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, what is it?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And then Eric goes he pops into into the girl's
room and he says good night, Lidy says good night
Jad and then he goes good night Mary.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
And then and then you go.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
You do like this this deep voice for Mary vern it's.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
So funny good walking in.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Apparently I thought that Jess had a really deep voice.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Said about about about Befa is the best liar in
this episode.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I have that here Eric Scott.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Lucy by the balls up.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Until this moment, oh man, when he clearly gets caught.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And then because right after I do my deep voice
for Mary h who walks in my room other than.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Mary and blows my covers, your.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Cover wide open and then you're like I'll see a confirmation, Dad,
Yes you will.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, And it's and it's so sweet and like so charming,
like you know, oh goodness.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
And then and then the.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Ferrets, well, well I just love the ferret that Tom
is like, yeah, these ferrots are exactly what I need
in my life, and he just scoops.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Them up in the box and walks out like there's
always whatever homeless child or animal. Like by the end
of the episode, it's neatly tied up with the bow
and the extra character takes them home like.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Like he's like, oh, those are ferrets and they're like yeah,
they're illegal, and he's like yeah, that's why they're so
hard to get.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Why don't want them? And they're like time with this, So.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, that goes right past everybody.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
No one cares that they're like, these animals are illegal.
It's so funny given all the big deal we make
over things like that, it's hilarious that that just coasts right.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But like Tom's illegal exotic animal apparent like affinity is
just moving right along.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Is nothing to be ashamed of. No, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Haven't forbid you were you know, not like that other thing.
It's not an animal breeder.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And then that is that is the episode.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And then we yeah, we have the church dress rehearsal
at the end, where the resolution for Tom is that
he he goes. He does that classic Seventh Heaven sermon
thing where he kind of picks apart what everyone has
been doing the over the course of the episode and
then frames it in a way uh for for redemption
and and uh and and forgiveness and stuff and then
(39:53):
uh and then that's it. That's that's really the end
is is Tom's resolution at the church.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And then he goes, gets on a plane and flies
back to Denver.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I was really surprised to see the widow sitting there.
I thought she was going to leave with Tom.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh yeah, they of that whole thing they did.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
They did sort of hint that they were going to
hook up the widow with Tom, didn't they It was
like it felt like this setup, but then they didn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, it was kind of a weird. That was like
a weird connect two.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I thought I felt like.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
That was the plan and then they forgot.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
They were like yeah, also the hamster thing, they were like, oh, well, whatever,
I have to run guys.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
All right, I catch letter Mac. That's it.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
That's another that's another episode of catching up with the
Camnen's We we just rewatched our episode. This was choices, right,
choices and and yeah, it's uh, I don't know, it's
it felt it felt like a sleeper episode to me,
but it had its moments as like.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
This is this is It wasn't one of our bangers,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It definitely wasn't one of our bangers. And you know what,
We're gonna come across some of.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
These plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, we're gonna come across these In the almost two
hundred and forty two episodes that we did, some are
gonna be.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yeah, they can't all be bangers.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
They can't all be and this is definitely there are
banger moments. Yeah, we moms love the fact that I,
like I said, Carrie Russell killed it.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
She's great.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She's so cute and just so charming, even being the
bad girl that she is. But yeah, there's U and
I also the the guy who played Tom.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I believe he went on to be on One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So what's really funny too, is if we look through
all these episodes, a lot of our guest stars went
on to be like main stars of their own WB show.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, our our show really was a Warner Brothers like
proving ground for tons of content that they ended up
making at that network. Yes, and we because we started
with the WB, it was the WB was only like
a year or two old or something right when we started. Yep,
so we were we were very early in the network's
(42:33):
history and and kind of famously went past the network.
Uh what once the network transitioned over to the CW,
our show was still there. So like so over the
course of the WB, lots of people that came through
our show, uh became uh, you know, leads of of
(42:56):
other WB projects.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Because so his name is Paul Joe Hanson and eight
years later, he became the lead Dan Scott on One
Tree Hill eight years after being on our show, which
is always like and Carrie Russell obviously had Felicity, and
I'm sure as we continue to watch, we will have
many many others that also went on did not only
(43:20):
have their own shows, but to have like WB shows.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah true, which.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Is kind of cool. Fun fact in case you missed it, well, that.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Was a super that was fun And these rewatches are
just cracking me up and hopefully we get some killer
notes from Mac for the next one.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
You guys, stay tuned. If you like what you're listening
to and watching.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Please like, subscribe, follow, do all of the things, and
thank you so much for all of your love and support,
and we will keep knocking them out.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
We are on. That was episode seventeen, so we're almost
through season one.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
We can do it. We're so close.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Bye.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
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Speaker 2 (45:00):
There
Mac found her homework. She took it from the dogs.
They did not eat it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are good, such great homework.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You did such great homework. Are you ready to do
the intro?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Though? As the kid who definitely scores at the top
of their class, I did such great.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Homework I did, Mac. Do you want to take the intro?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, guys, this is another episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. I'm Mackenzie. Uh, Beverly is also here, and
so is David, and we are going to rewatch an
episode about choices.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yes, this is a good episode. Thank you for introducing us, Mac.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
You're welcome parts, Mac.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I love that you're mixing it up.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This is funny enough is like there you never know
what to expect when we have Mac lead us off,
which is what I love. We're Oh, you always have
us on the seat of our chairs waiting to see
what is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, we're all on the same page then, because I
never know, we.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Also are waiting and you don't know what's gonna happen either.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So this is uh season one, episode seventy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You can open us up with Okay, Yeah, So this
scene opens with Mary in detention.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Mm hmm, that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
This is the beginning of the end, right, this is
where she like starts.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Really, the spiral has already begun.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, the spiral has begun. Mary is going she is
our problem child.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And she's in detention with with the bad girl played
by none other than Carry Russell, the amazing Carrier Russell.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
She's in detention with Felicity.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Carrie Russell, and Carrie Russell's hair. So the three of
them are in detention.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Can we just please talk about everyone wanted Carrie Russell's
hair because she is just stunning.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yep, she looks so beautiful in detention.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
I don't know if it would look that great on me,
but I think.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Everything everybody wanted Carrie Russell's hair.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
I mean, I'll take it if it's available, I guess.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So she's kind of trying to, you know, talk to
Mary about going to this party, and Mary's like, what
in high school? And and then after that might have
notes about the next scene. So Annie is using a
pair of antique lamps because Annie is misfix it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We're just gonna let Mac take this one. She's just
gonna ride through got.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It, and I looked up what these clamps are because
they found they seemed a little bit interesting and rather antique.
And they're called parallel jaw clamps, and they are useful
because you can very more precisely adjust pinpoint pressure on
whatever the object that you're clamping together is. In this case,
it's some sort of secretary desk. I'm not sure, but
(03:24):
there are useful clamps for those who liked it would work. Apparently,
this is what's.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Happening with this episode. Okay, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, So because my notes, my notes was that Ruthie
wanted a pet and a hamster and a gold thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't know where you start talking about clamps. I
have that, and.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Ruthie wants a pet too, I did, Yeah, Ruthie wants
a pet.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, so we do get that the parallel.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Jaw clamps were more interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
But can we talk about the clamps?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes, what are They're cool?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I think those are parallel jaw clamps. That's what Annie's using.
They're more interesting. Also, Matt is covering from Mary yet again.
He's saying that Mary is at practice when she's actually
in attention, which I think is rather surprising that the
Camdens even think that they could pull detention off, Like,
how did the parents not know that the kids in attention?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That seems overly optimistic to me. But what do I know.
I've never been into.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, if you're not picking your kid up from school,
then like I guess maybe you don't know, you know
what I mean. Also, I don't know if the school's
back then like called the parents over every little thing.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You know, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
They just like they stuck your kid int attention and
and then you were waiting outside for your kid at
pick up, Like.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Where's it's going on?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well Annie has always mad a passion. She's like in
the office season because apparently it's the off season and
people don't practice then. But Mary's committed. She's you know,
set the record that she's committed.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And so though like doesn't she like because she's not
they say she's Matt says she's at practice, but she
like goes out with with uh Felicity.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They go out.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They do. Yeah, they go to the mall and there's
a dress that looks really great.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Wait, wait we're skipping.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, David Dole McKenzie this episode. Okay, that's my job.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Okay, oh excuse me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We're missing big things. We were missing the taxi with
Tom arriving.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So objectifying Tom and this. If the roles were reversed
and Tom as a female and everyone's just commenting on
how good looking he is, it would not fly. I
think it's it's going to be stood up for. He's
being objectified in this episode my opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So he's being so, he's being complimented.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He is being complimented, but it just feels more.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Can we get an kisses him hot?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Hold on everyone's would you please listen? I need everyone's
attention right now, kisses him on the lips? Really, can
we talk about this?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I didn't see this.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Man comes in, she sees him and she kisses him like.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's a good that you're also taking notes. I did
not see that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Oh he's hot, because I was like, I noticed that,
But it doesn't it's not as shocking to me.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
On the East Coast.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Uh, family will will kiss each other like that. He's
not family, No, but like family friends close, like people
that are that are like like a kiss on the
lips is not as like intimate automatic is it is considered.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh it threw off here some flags for me because
I was like, uh, because also it's very clear as
we continue on that Eric has feelings about mister Tom, which,
by the way, also Tom drops fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Ruthy and Simon find it when they're on their walk
trying to discuss. Oh, there are some funny lines from
Simon on that walk too.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So Tom arrives and Annie goes.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
She gets her good china to.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Town with the tea set and has like a full
like we have fancy tea.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, she's she's hot for Tom, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, apparently, and she even invites him to stay at
the house. Because I wrote that Annie seems smitten with
this guy because she is all over him and Eric
is not a fan, which, by the way, I wouldn't
be either, because she definitely like was fluttering her eyelight lashes.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She was all about mister Tom.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
If any had a thing with Tom, she wouldn't be
that obvious about it. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, it's Anny.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
What was interesting to me about it is that like
they're definitely playing up that Annie thinks that Tom is handsome,
and she kisses him on the mouth when she greets him,
like they give a a not like a passionate kiss
or anything, but a greeting. Yeah, and she's definitely making
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a big deal over Tom.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But it seems pretty clear to me that Eric's.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Problem with Tom is not that Annie finds him attractive
or is making a big deal over him, Like there
isn't a jealousy like piece to Eric's problem with Tom.
Eric has a pre existing problem with Tom where he
doesn't trust him because he feels like Tom is hiding something.
But the fact that everyone's all gaga about Tom is
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like old news, Like he expects this. Everyone thinks Tom's
very handsome and makes a big deal over him, and
no one it's not even really considered an issue, right
I think that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, that everybody Tom's handsomeness is probably part of what
has made him not be as suspicious in the eyes
of others, who are distracted by his dashing good looks too.
You know, you can get.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Away, Eric, Eric is not so taken with Tom's appearance,
and therefore he can sense the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Something you sees something he sees something else, And then
we see this is where we also see Lucy and
where she's apologizing for. She doesn't even know what she's
apologizing for, but she's apologizing because she is so afraid
of being in trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yes, oh, when you go to Eric.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, because he wants to talk to me, and the
moment he wants to talk to me, I assume I'm
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So whatever the course, right, you know, if my if
my parents call me and say, hey, we got to talk,
I'm like, what I do? Like even now I'm forty,
you know, and I still will be like, what I happened?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
What I do, I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I did it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I would assume I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And I just galloped away.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So you didn't say sorry, you just left.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I just avoided gotted a million things that I thought
they might have wanted to say to me about the
grass and then and then I was too far away,
and they're like, I can't hear you.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So then we see Simon and Ruthie walking happy and
they find the fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Obviously, no one in our family it's fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I know. I wrote that line too, because I thought
that was really funny obviously, Noah, it's not. It doesn't
belong to our family. Think the audience, fifty dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Fifty dollars, by the way, with inflation, would be worth
two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Dollars today or something like that. It's like finding hundreds
of dollars on the street is.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Basically about right. I mean, I think that a pair
of fair It's could cost about.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Maybe that, Yeah, probably at least I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And then we have when Mary sneaks in and lies
about practice and black. You can see kind of like
Matt of course doing the like making the weird faces
in the backdrop so that he doesn't get he doesn't
get caught that he lied.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But he was at a party where there was beer.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That was before. Yeah, that's why he did that before.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But now Mary wants to go to the mall with Camille,
and Matt immediately jumps in and says.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
No, because Matt knows Camille's bad news, like her reputation exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
She is rubble, Carrie Russell, trouble. I love her, and
this is obviously before she was Felicity. She started with us,
but our little yeah she wasn't, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Came out after a few years after.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah was the Americans, I think I saw her now.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yes, she's incredible. She's such an incredible actress. She's so
good and even what I love too is like the
subtleness and it just goes to show you that it
doesn't matter what the part is, but like if you
have Like I thought she did such a great job
in this episode. I thought she was so subtle, so wonderful,
so charming, because it's so easy to take that and
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just make it bigger than it needed to be.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
She counts here so good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's just very clear that she was going to be
a star clearly from the beginning, because even in this role,
I thought she was fantastic. I like Simon's way of
making excuses to keep the money, and like how he's
talking through it with Ruthie, because Ruthie's like, we should
just give it to mom and dad, and Simon's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
wo whoa, let's talk about this. Yeah, we mean dad,
(13:09):
it like that right, and fifty is five thousand pennies,
We're rich.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I like the way. And then Ruthie's like, eyes like
get real white because.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Now it's all about perspective.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Understanding exactly, which I love.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And then Lucy wants hot minister to help her study.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I think what was interesting is this is when we
skipped over what Eric wanted to talk to Lucy about
her like confirmation her church, and she kind of talks
to Tom, and Tom kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Gives her this idea of.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exploring religion and seeing making sure that this is the
right choice for her and whether or not like this
is what she wants, or if there's other things out
there which she, in her mind have has never even
thought of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So she kind of.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Gives Lucy the advice that Eric wouldn't, which.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Is what wouldn't go.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
In and see, like what other religions have to offer
to make sure that this is the religion that you
want to dedicate yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
To, which I think is really an important point too.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's actually it's a very choice you make for yourself
is a much better one makes for you, exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I think the fact that Lucy at her age is
asked to decide her religion for the rest of her life,
and this with these sort of uh dire you know,
circumstances like you must decide now, clearly you're ready to
decide things for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now she can't even figure out her stile. I mean,
what are we talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So she's gonna be then we go by the rest
of her life. And I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
If Lucy had her choice at that time, she would
be with Jimmy Moon for the rest of her life.
So clearly she's not ready to make lifelong decisions at
this point in time, at the ripe.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Old age of.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Twelve.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Old she was, not it was, it was she's technically
a woman in the eyes of bail.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay, First of all, that is not really I mean,
I got my that doesn't mean anything in your period
at all times.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I know, I know, I know Jesse wrote a book
about it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But I know Jesse did write a book about it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
She wrote a book about period, so that way by
Jesse's book now I don't remember what the name is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I'm proud of her. That's great.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
She is.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
She is all about it and she's about knowledge's power.
I'm still waiting for someone to have the talk with
me because no one did.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay, cool, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Okay, so then we have I wrote that like Annie's
a smitt and kitten, and like she kind of starts
talking to Tom's and then Eric kind of gets pushed
out of the conversation and like kind of walks off,
and that's when he kind of pawns Eric and Matt
kind of pawn off Ruthie and Simon to go to
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the mall with Mary and commute. Yeah, and then we
have like kind of this revelation that like Tom has
a secret. We already know that Eric doesn't trust him,
but the secret is he's taking medication.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That my daughter used to take, like big deal epilepsy medication.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
We don't know it that we don't know that it's epileptic.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean, really, wait to make a mountain out of
a molehill here, guys, heavens, but.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It does.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It certainly becomes a double hill mountain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Doesn't it. And so then what do you have, David?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh, I had Tom as a vegetarian with the secrets
my note of that scene. But then we, uh, we
get sent to the mall, and then we're not we're
not quite at the mall yet.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Then we go back to being interested in Buddhism.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Lucy wants to investigate Buddhism why, which is, uh.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Why because Richard Gear likes it?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh that's right, Yeah, because she's into because but.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, because relevant sex symbol. Richard Gear at the time
was Buddhist apparently yep.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And then Ruthy and Simon at the mall so cute.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's right, and then Simon flirts with Camille to get
his ways, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I love it. I love that you're like taking your shot.
You're like, let's just go for it.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, So Simon and shot successful by the way, it
goes over smashingly.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I love that the line is I will tell you
right now that you great in.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Its so good, It's so good the commitment.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And then I also love that they that Camille talks about,
like going to a frat party at nine thirty. I mean,
I don't know if you guys have been to frat parties,
but like nine thirty is like pre game, Like you
don't even like there's no parties not starting.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Nobody's nobody's even nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It didn't look that much party guys were you Were
you watching the same party that I was watching?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean I know, but I'm just saying it
is like you're.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Going to have gotten to the threshold. And then.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well it was just a party of four, wasn't it. Yeah,
it was like it was barely an party.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It wasn't There was no dinner and then Tom and
Annie like having the time of their life playing gym.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's right, Annie is the gin queen.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Can I say something about the mall scene? That was
probably I thought like the cutest scene so far in
Seventh Heaven, obviously because I was in.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It, but fair enough.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No true, But like Simon and Ruthy with like this
drug deal wrote in buy like when they're talking to.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That we haven't gotten there. You're skipping.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh I thought we skipped it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's next the revelation that they overhear that like, oh,
you can make money, and then they try to buy
a pet and then obviously the pet store is like
no way where your parents.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The problem with my writing and these notes is I.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Can't read it. There's the the idea that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
We could bre hamsters, yeah, to make money because someone's
selling the pet store hamsters.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Because he's a bank of Simon his mind is like, wow,
we've got like, let me do the calculations.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
In my mind, it's gonna pay for college, which you say,
if he only.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Knew, if if you breed hamsters and we're just gonna
start with two, and you're gonna be able to with
the fifty dollars you found. This is the most this
is the most intelligent business decision you can make. Yes,
zero investment and you get denied, which is so cute.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And then you come out and then Mac take it
from there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh god. Well, then there's the shady, shady ferret salesman
who by I mean he just looks like he's trench.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Coat farrot salesman. I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Looking he's like, hey, I want to buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, you know it's such a like eight kids.
It's so funy, how just like trench coat salesman.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
It is.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, their little heads are sticking out and he's like,
right next to the store.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Ruthie wants to have two hamsters that are married, please right,
because we plan on breathing them.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Very cute.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Also, I'm jumping back when when before that, when Annie
and Tom are playing gin and Tom's storms out of
the door and says I'm not good with situations, Like
don't you think that's a bit weird? Like, isn't a
minister's job to deal with situations? Couldn't you have come
up with a better lie?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
All of his.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Uh are weird. Yeah, all of.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
His moments about being upset about his secret are obvious
and strange and like.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, not connected.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
They don't actually make a whole lot of sense, like
he's not being able to deal with the widow or
didn't preaching quite connect.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Like uh, you know, I mean he isn't it his
like wasn't he educated on, you know, accepting things that
are less than perfect? And then why this like totally
unchristian approach to his own being. It makes no sense
to me whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, they try to justify it later, but it's it's
it comes across as a weak justification for how he's acting.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I definitely feel like this one was a little bit
more of a myth.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes for me, But thank god for that ferret scene
because it saved the episode.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That storyline was a little weird. Yeah, but then we have.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I do have to laugh at the scene where like
Lucy's just like staring at Matt because he's stuck with
her and she's kind of like studying, and it's just
this very awkward.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It just made me.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It made me giggle because I just remember like how
it would be so weird being with Barry in that
scene and trying to keep a straight face.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, that was just like a.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Cute, cute moment, just because Barry looks so annoyed with Lucy,
which I'm sure bad.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Back in that day.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I'm sure I probably did stare at him a bit
because I didn't know what to say to him. Okay,
so then I love when we get to Simon and
Lucy come home and you're squirming because apparently you guys
are the ferrets are on your bodies.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That's right, we have them in our coats, and we're
like giggling and running upstairs and nobody questioned.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Everyone's like, oh weird. You know, they let us.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
They let us get upstairs with two ferrets, and then.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Lucy gets stuck covering.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Lucy gets stuck covering for Mary.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I have Simon and Ruthie are suspicious af that's an acronym.
By the way, The Camdens are terrible liars.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
A big exclamation.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Man.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
This is probably one of the episodes where we first
established that, which is a common theme throughout the whole
show how bad we are lying. But this this episode,
what it does succeed in is really highlighting that front
and center.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So Lucy is going to go to a rave with
Johnny Depp? What that sounds fun? Lucy is somewhere you
mentioned rave with Johnny Depp?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Johnny Depp is name dropped? Yes, I don't remember the context.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Remember I do you think about going to a rave
with him?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh? I think it's because like it's when she decides
or when Mary asks her to like cover up for
her and now she has to. Lucy is completely over
the top Matt suspicious, and like the way she kind
of covers for Mary is saying that she's sleeping, and
then that Lucy of course wants to talk, which that's
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just the that's a punishment for Matt.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Basically when Lucy just decides that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She just won't shut up, Yeah, and she wants to bond.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So and then I said Mary's outfit for the frat
party when she's like leaving the house was just very questionable.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh my god, that's pretty sure. I wanted to give
her the Style Award for the episode because.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's so terrible.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And then I have like the ferrets. I just wrote
the ferrets because they were like running around. And then
and then.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
We have Camille who stole this dress for Mary, which.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Mary gets into Camille's car and Camille presents her with
the dress she tried on at the mall and and
she's like, why did you get this for me? And
she's like, I didn't buy it for you.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And then she rips the like security tag off and
now it has like a.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Slit and she's so cool.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And then I wrote Matt is over talking to Lucy,
which I don't think he's not talking. It's basically Lucy
just has not shut up because she also is like
a nervous talker, so if she's lying, she just like
keeps going.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
She can't like she can't stop herself.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Period.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh, and then we have the tom goes on a walk,
and then the ferret's eating the cereal because apparently these
pirits went to town pretty quickly and they.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Got in they immediately went downstairs into the upper cabinets
of the kitchen and chewed through the cereal box and
had a snack, and then and then went elsewhere, like
all in the span of I don't even known perhaps
an hour.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And also the fact that Eric still eats said cereal
when they think it's mice, which.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Is just great gross.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It reminds me of like my dad cutting the mold
off of cheese and bread.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I love it because he's like, he's like angry and
he wants his snack and he doesn't give it shit.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He's like, give me this cereal and don't question me.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He just like doesn't care. It's very it's very funny.
I found it funny. I don't know if I would
do that. I'm sure I wouldn't, but it is funny.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think that was funny too.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Tom at the pool hall drinking Slice because he doesn't drink,
so we've established that, like he's not he's not an alcoholic. Again,
we're leading up to making it think like he is,
but then we find out it's slice.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
No, he's drinking like soda at.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The Yeah, he acts like he's happy though.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah he acts like he's drunk, but he's not.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And then that and all his SODA's for the night
are like seven bucks, which is like what one soda costs.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Now, that's like again talking about it.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Being like cab for the night.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Wow, we must have gotten a discount.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And that's when we realize that Tom has lost his fifty,
or he has realized.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
And then he realized he lost his fifty.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
We go back to Mary and Camille at the frat party,
which is not a frat party. It's basically two guides and.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Its American party. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And Camille kind of like yells at Mary and says
to stop being a baby.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Because she says, don't kill my vibe, don't.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Don't get look back. And then Annie's setting traps for
said mice that ate the cereal.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, Annie is on the case.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And Lucy is still covering for Mary.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And Lucy also wants to learn about the Quakers.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah as well, she's moved on from Buddhism to to
the Quakers yep, as her second option.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I like Lucy's line, you know me, I would rather talk,
which is yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I like how they compare meditation. How Eric compares meditation
is more of listening and prayer is talking. Like that,
he makes the comparison, that sort of analogy there between them.
I thought, yeah, kind of interesting. Actually, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
It holds good. It's a good analogy.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And then can we talk about the beeper beep me paging.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yes, Beeper's beepers were more prevalent in the early season
that I had remembered, but we were definitely in the
beeper era when we started.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I remember because I remember Stephen always having that
beeper on tamp. I just always remember, like that was
always a prop that, like, just like the wedding ring
went on, the beeper went on.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It was like always I remember that as well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I like that Simon thought that by the time he
was a doctor, we'd still be using Beeper's doctor Camden paging,
doctor Simon Camden, that's what you say to Annie. And
when see when you're trying to sell something probably dent related, that's.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Right when I'm trying to convince everyone that the ferret
breeding scheme is totally going to get me into medical school.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So we then go back to Mary, who's uncomfortable at
the party.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
She wants to go home.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They think she's eighteen mm hmm, because Camille has kind
of set it up that she's not. Then we have Annie,
who sees the finally sees the ferrets.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yes, back upstairs. The ferrets have made their way back upstairs,
and and they're hiding in the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, they were in a drawer.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
In the drawer, yeah, she cozy little nest or something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And then that's when Simon and Ruthie come come running in.
And this is an adorable scene.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love when.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Simon it starts talking Bank of Simon talk. He talks
about math and college and and all the reasons why
we need to keep these farrots.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He's doing and he's doing a very hurried elevator pitch
for his UH for his college scheme, because the ferrets
are in imminent danger now that they've been found by Annie,
who's been to kill them.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
She's gonna kill it. Yeah. And then Matt comes running in,
or Matt comes in.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Lucy comes in because she gets the call from Mary
who is frightened and needs rescuing, and then tries to
get Mad to go get her.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I was proud of Lucy. She was doing a
good job. She was still covering and being a good sister.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think Lucy was the best liar in this whole episode.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Why thank you, because she just used her talents of talking.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
She has some near near missus, Uh, it really really
will well handled.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And then we calls.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah there were some close calls, but then we finally
get this the big realization of what.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Tom's problem is.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's right, and his problem is not that he's an alcoholic,
not that he's a pill popper, not that he's too handsome,
but that he has epilepsy. So this one I did
not remember, but when I was watching it, I was like,
for real, like that's what we're gonna have his issue be.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I thought it was something I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, this was a miss for me because I was like,
that's one not something that you should be.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, I just felt like.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I should think it's the embarrassment. I think it's.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Okay, is what what I'm just like struggling with.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I think they're they're trying to say something about having
some uncommon condition, right, that is physical and jarring. Right,
Having an epileptic seizure is something that kind of overcomes you.
It's not something you can control, and I think it's
perfectly fine to do to talk about that being sensitive
(33:07):
and embarrassing for the person who's dealing with it. But
the way that they tried to frame him being embarrassed
by it, like he was going to excommunicate himself from
society over.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It, exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And that and that felt immature and silly coming from
a grown man, you know who is and particularly from
a grown man who whose job it is to help
people in need, people with conditions, people with problems, to
be someone who's level headed and understanding, which is what
it was required of the job of being a kind
(33:44):
of a preacher and a minister and a community leader.
For him to not have sort of any understanding or
compassion for his own condition seemed seemed off and enforced.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
That's and that's where.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And again it's not a not a take it the
actor at all or whatever. Just the way that it
was framed in the episode felt very contrived.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I agree that like it was. It just seemed like
the wrong the shoe didn't fit.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Like David said, I felt like he had no grace
for himself, which is in the religion in which we're
talking about of like having understanding.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Just didn't Yeah, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
And then Eric kind of saying like he's the strongest
man he's ever met for keeping this secret. And you
can see that like now, Eric kind of has now
forgiven everything about Tom and is now like kind of
very supportive, and there's been a huge shift in Eric's
demeanor towards Tom. Yeah, with this like openness of like, hey,
(34:53):
I have epilepsy.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Felt like the big thing for me was also just
like I don't I I haven't necessarily met a lot
of people with epilepsy, but like, I wouldn't have thought
there would be so much.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Of someone trying to hide it.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
No, I agree, And maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's it's hard to gauge, but yeah, it doesn't seem
like the kind of given the way that they've they
set it up, and they and they and they set
up the reveal of what his issue turned out to be,
it felt like it fell flat because the expectation they
set up was that it was something much more severe,
(35:38):
or perhaps more scandalous, or perhaps.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You know, something something legitimate. Why are being ashamed of?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You know, especially coming off of our alcoholic episodes and
some of the other really heavier episodes that we've had
so far.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
The used car salesman who didn't want his own kid,
Like hello, Yeah, I mean that's a storyline to be
ashamed of. Sure, they just trade places. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So then Matt picks Mary up, he demands Camille come,
He threatens her and threatens to like throw her in
the car. And I love the fact that Matt counts
like a like honestly, like you're an adult with like
a five year old child when you're trying to get
them to do what you want, and you start saying
like one, two, and Matt literally is counting for Camille
(36:30):
and then she finally like yeah. And then I love
the line too, how many ways can you go wrong
in one sentence?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
That was and that's when Annie is mad, Lucy's.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Gonna be punished, Matt was being a good big brother,
and then Lucy having to go to confirmation class, and
then let's talk about deep shit.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
So the best hold on, don't you skip it? I'm
not okay, don't you skip it?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Ben trying?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Don't you dare? I was trying the best part?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, what is it?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And then Eric goes he pops into into the girl's
room and he says good night, Lidy says good night
Jad and then he goes good night Mary.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
And then and then you go.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
You do like this this deep voice for Mary vern it's.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
So funny good walking in.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Apparently I thought that Jess had a really deep voice.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Said about about about Befa is the best liar in
this episode.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I have that here Eric Scott.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Lucy by the balls up.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Until this moment, oh man, when he clearly gets caught.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And then because right after I do my deep voice
for Mary h who walks in my room other than.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Mary and blows my covers, your.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Cover wide open and then you're like I'll see a confirmation, Dad,
Yes you will.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, And it's and it's so sweet and like so charming,
like you know, oh goodness.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
And then and then the.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Ferrets, well, well I just love the ferret that Tom
is like, yeah, these ferrots are exactly what I need
in my life, and he just scoops.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Them up in the box and walks out like there's
always whatever homeless child or animal. Like by the end
of the episode, it's neatly tied up with the bow
and the extra character takes them home like.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Like he's like, oh, those are ferrets and they're like yeah,
they're illegal, and he's like yeah, that's why they're so
hard to get.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Why don't want them? And they're like time with this, So.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, that goes right past everybody.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
No one cares that they're like, these animals are illegal.
It's so funny given all the big deal we make
over things like that, it's hilarious that that just coasts right.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But like Tom's illegal exotic animal apparent like affinity is
just moving right along.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Is nothing to be ashamed of. No, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Haven't forbid you were you know, not like that other thing.
It's not an animal breeder.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And then that is that is the episode.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And then we yeah, we have the church dress rehearsal
at the end, where the resolution for Tom is that
he he goes. He does that classic Seventh Heaven sermon
thing where he kind of picks apart what everyone has
been doing the over the course of the episode and
then frames it in a way uh for for redemption
and and uh and and forgiveness and stuff and then
(39:53):
uh and then that's it. That's that's really the end
is is Tom's resolution at the church.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And then he goes, gets on a plane and flies
back to Denver.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I was really surprised to see the widow sitting there.
I thought she was going to leave with Tom.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh yeah, they of that whole thing they did.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
They did sort of hint that they were going to
hook up the widow with Tom, didn't they It was
like it felt like this setup, but then they didn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, it was kind of a weird. That was like
a weird connect two.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I thought I felt like.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
That was the plan and then they forgot.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
They were like yeah, also the hamster thing, they were like, oh, well, whatever,
I have to run guys.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
All right, I catch letter Mac. That's it.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
That's another that's another episode of catching up with the
Camnen's We we just rewatched our episode. This was choices, right,
choices and and yeah, it's uh, I don't know, it's
it felt it felt like a sleeper episode to me,
but it had its moments as like.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
This is this is It wasn't one of our bangers,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It definitely wasn't one of our bangers. And you know what,
We're gonna come across some of.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
These plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, we're gonna come across these In the almost two
hundred and forty two episodes that we did, some are
gonna be.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yeah, they can't all be bangers.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
They can't all be and this is definitely there are
banger moments. Yeah, we moms love the fact that I,
like I said, Carrie Russell killed it.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
She's great.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She's so cute and just so charming, even being the
bad girl that she is. But yeah, there's U and
I also the the guy who played Tom.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I believe he went on to be on One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So what's really funny too, is if we look through
all these episodes, a lot of our guest stars went
on to be like main stars of their own WB show.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, our our show really was a Warner Brothers like
proving ground for tons of content that they ended up
making at that network. Yes, and we because we started
with the WB, it was the WB was only like
a year or two old or something right when we started. Yep,
so we were we were very early in the network's
(42:33):
history and and kind of famously went past the network.
Uh what once the network transitioned over to the CW,
our show was still there. So like so over the
course of the WB, lots of people that came through
our show, uh became uh, you know, leads of of
(42:56):
other WB projects.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Because so his name is Paul Joe Hanson and eight
years later, he became the lead Dan Scott on One
Tree Hill eight years after being on our show, which
is always like and Carrie Russell obviously had Felicity, and
I'm sure as we continue to watch, we will have
many many others that also went on did not only
(43:20):
have their own shows, but to have like WB shows.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah true, which.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Is kind of cool. Fun fact in case you missed it, well, that.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Was a super that was fun And these rewatches are
just cracking me up and hopefully we get some killer
notes from Mac for the next one.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
You guys, stay tuned. If you like what you're listening
to and watching.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Please like, subscribe, follow, do all of the things, and
thank you so much for all of your love and support,
and we will keep knocking them out.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
We are on. That was episode seventeen, so we're almost
through season one.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
We can do it. We're so close.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Bye.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Hey, guys.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
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