August 4, 2025 • 50 mins
Mack, David and Bev break down one of 7th Heaven’s most infamous episodes, “Last Call For Aunt Julie” with one of the show’s super fans, Caroline Moss!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, So welcome to another episode of Catching Up
with the Camdens. We did this episode via riverside and
just want to let you know that we had a
few technical difficulties with the mics that we weren't able
to cut out, so bear with us and you know tough.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is Catching Up with the Camdens. And I'm McKenzie Bosman.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We're good, and I am Beverly Mitchell, and I'm David
Gallagher and we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Caroline Moss.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, and thank you so much for joining us, and
go go tell us.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This is a This is a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I was a big Seventh Heaven fan growing up and
my parents would only let us watch like one show
a week, like we could pick what we wanted to watch,
and I picked Seventh Heaven. And when I met Bev
last year doing something through work, I was like, and
she had told me she was starting this podcast with
(01:06):
you guys. I was like, okay, well, if you ever
do a fan episode, please.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Have me on.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So this is very exciting and and.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This was like it like literally I think like you
put this in motion. To be honest, I feel like
you put it out in the universe, and I was like, well,
I'm glad. When I thought about it, I was like, well,
there's only one answer, and the answer is Caroline.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm so happy that I told my friends, my two
of my best friends, so I'm still very close with
I grew up with. I was like, guess what I'm
doing today, And I don't think I could have delivered
any cooler news. So I mean that this is big.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You're You're putting us on a very high pedestal, and
I hope we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Disappointing because I feel you're going to be great. I
think this is we're so happy to have you and
we're so excited. And I know I was so grateful
that we ubered together. I know we did that fateful
time where you saw me where I looked absolutely lost
and I could not figure out what the hell I
(02:04):
was doing.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
He said, would you like to we can go together?
And I was like, that would be great because I
don't know what I'm doing. I think she did saved
my life in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, that's a song.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, but what episode should we dive into with you?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
What one do you feel in.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
We're gonna rewatch Last Call for Aunt Julie, which season one,
episode ten and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Drink for the.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What did you say?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Mac?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
She said she needs to drink.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Julie, that's kind of how we got here. Yeah, I
think that is.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
This episode literally traumatized me as a child.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
I too, probably, I bet.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I can only imagine. So should we just dive in?
I have it in front of me.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, dive in.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Let's let's let's let's go for because I feel like, also,
I I haven't watched this episode, so I watched it
on the plane yesterday and like, I may have shed
some tears, So let's let's let's go.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I was watching it, I was like, oh God, for different.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Reasons, For different reasons, I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you have a lot of questions. A right, let's go.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So the episode opens at the Camden House and Aunt Julie,
who is Eric's sister.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, coming to visit.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Who's amazing?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah she is, like I guess Eric's younger sister. Yeah, yeah, okay,
coming to visit. Annie's really excited. You can tell they
have a good relationship. And then the kids all come.
You guys all come downstairs, greet your aunt. She has
brought you gifts. Yes, you're opening these presents. She seems
to really understand like what each of you are into.
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She brings everybody the exact thing that they were hoping for.
My question is, at what point were you guys told
you were going to do an episode about alcoholism.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't think I we just found that out.
I think I think we just we.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Was inspired by my own alcoholism at the time.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This was just an artistic intervention for you.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
By the way, I do have to say that that
first year old, that first scene with the gifts was
the first time that I was like, oh, Simon's sassy.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
When you're like and no one is leaving until.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You pull out a present for me, I was like,
that is so not like Simon, who was like so
polite and like respectful.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I feel like you were sassy man.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
There was a bit of sass coming up this first
season that that I had forgotten about.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
But yeah, Simon is is sassy. He's got a little
mouth on him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was kind of surprised by I was like, whoa,
I don't remember that about Simon.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But I think the point of this scene is just
we're just establishing that she's cool ant, yes, right, like that.
We want to we want to build her up as
cool as we can, so that we can so that
she can have her fall from grace and.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
As far as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, she does.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She brings Ruthie at all, who Ruthie then names baby Julie.
You're very, very exciting, and it seems like, you know,
you guys don't have a like a big You have
a solid relationship with her as an aunt, but you
don't know, you know much about her, her troubles in
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her struggle.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, Mary idolizes her.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think we do get to that part.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, And so every so it's Thanksgiving, like it's like
around Thanksgiving and you guys are all asking if you
can go other places on Thanksgiving, which sort of like
blew my mind as like a child watching a show
that you could like go somewhere else for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
It's like having Christmas at someone else's house.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do that.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It definitely was like a little bit weird, like all
three like all the bigger kids. So Lucy wanted to
go to her to Jimmy Moon's, and then Mary wanted
to go to the movies.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, but I don't know. I've yeah, fondly. I love
Thanksgiving with my family and always have. So it was
strange to me. I was like, that's not a thing
you do on Thanksgiving, Like kids go around to their
friend's house and stuff.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
It's not that kind of holiday.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But yeah, well, well we get to there, we come
aroun and Julie and I guess is like she's saying,
I have this in front of me and I'm watching
silently with close captions.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But she they're like asking about her boyfriend and she's like, oh,
he couldn't make it, and we like better learned that,
like they had had like a bad breakup, right, And
this is the first glimpse we get a problem. She's
in the guests whatever guest room she's in. I think
she's in rooms room. Yeah, okay, And she pulls out
like a handle of vodka.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, travel with liquids. Yeah it wasn't a mini bottle.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, it was not many. It was not a nip.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
She pulls out like a like a handle.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, she got some she can carry.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
That was just the character when we were watching it.
I think I think Shawna was like three chugs. She
just was like, hey, you know she's uh, we're starting strong.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That's behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's always water, and if it's wine, it's always yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And if it's white wine, it's piss.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Matt, What is happening right now? Where are we going
with this?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's today?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I know you know what, she has not had lunch
and this is your fault.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
You didn't feed us. We're hungry anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
It's how long?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And I know you guys have talked about this on
other episodes, but like, you know, you get your script
and I know there's like rewrites and like, but what's
the process of of like getting your script and rehearsing.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like scenes and blocking and movement or whatever?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Like how many times did you go through the script
before you actually had to perform it?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So our show was a little different because there wasn't
like a tremendous amount of rewrites. So like, once we
got our script, we were pretty much locked and loded
and that is what we're gonna do. And then in
terms of like rehearsing, it's pretty we you know, on
the day we rehearse, we block it.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Then we go away, they light it, and then we
shoot it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So it's not but our show, you know, we don't
have complicated fights and we don't have like big sequences,
So it wasn't It wasn't stunts. We've established the We
did one stunt Mary fell down.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
There was a stunt or two, but early in the
show's history. So the script would come in for the
next episode, like I would say, probably like a week
ahead of time, not much more headway than that, and
then sometime in the week before h we would start
the episodes. I was we were wrapping up the previous episode.
We did do table reads, Oh yeah, we did do
so we would go to the office our studio was
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this was this factory, and in the front of the
factory was was our offices where we had like accounting
and some other the producing offices and stuff. They would
set up a table and we would do a read
like at the end of a day or kind of
like through a long lunch or something like that. So
but we didn't do that the whole time. In the beginning,
we kind of did that, and then at some point
that fell off when we were just kind of everyone
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knew their characters knew what we were doing, and we
would just kind of roll from one episode of the next,
and then as far as rehearsing and blocking, it was
just day of like you know, getting into the next
scene and we would set it up and.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Go, I know, and each of us kind of did
our memorization differently, so like I would actually not memorize
until I was in the makeup chair and while they
were lighting, so then I had, you know what, fifteen
minutes before because I didn't like, I didn't like memorizing
the night before. I would look over a scene, but
I wouldn't memorize it until you did.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
The night before.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, I didn't do the night before. I couldn't remember
it well everybody yet night before it took like ten minutes.
If I tried to do it the day of, it
took like five times as long.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah, I also.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Sleeping because I was older than Mac, but I was
still being driven to set like my parents were still
with me.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I got and proximity to stage.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I was an hour away from where I live, so
I would have an hour drive down to the stage,
and I would spend that hour in the passenger seat
going over the day's work. So by the time I
got there, got changed up into rehearsals, I was like
pretty much.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Where I needed to be.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
And then while they were lighting and doing everything else,
we'd all go to the hair and makeup trailer and
we'd be running stuff while we were getting ready. And
so by the time we started shooting everything was you
know there, we were there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, hopefully. I didn't realize it moved that quickly.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Oh it did.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, and it only got faster as the seasons
went on.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And I mean I know I asked you guys this
earlier about like when did you find out you were
doing that episode about alcohol?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But so much of the first.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Season was like like so many pregnant unwed teens.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, they're so there's an uni incredibly high percentage. And
then like there were gangs, Like there were gangs, Like
were your parents like, hey, like, were there any conversations
that any adults in your life were like having with
you about this as you were memorizing these lines and
doing these episodes.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yeah, some of the stuff, like we in particular, I
remember they had to explain to me what huffing was
when we did.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That episode, because like I was like, what you.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Know, and like all most of them, I think, yeah,
but a lot of the heavier episodes, like my parents
were always cool about kind of giving me a heads up,
and it was never like too they didn't kind of
make that big of a deal about it, but they would.
I would get some kind of heads up on whatever
the heavy handed situation was.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't think I had any No, I think I
I guess I just had to figure.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It out on my own.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
But you were a teenager, I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I was a woman of the world.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I would not go that bar and speaking.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
When I was eleven.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Yeah, some of that stuff in the beginning anyway, some
of that stuff I need, you know.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
My parents were like, by the way, this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is about me, so yeah, the world was new to me.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
So right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
There's just it's very doing this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I told Bev I was doing this rewatch over the
holidays of season one and I was just like, wow,
Like every episode is like a new pregnant team a gang.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
It goes hard, Yeah, really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Is that where that where they find the gang stuff?
And there's like the yes, that's Neil.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Neil definitely like put it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
It's so funny. It's incredible. It is the details.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I was like, what town is this? Like I'm glad
I don't live there, Like this is a.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Dangerous place street Glen Oak.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So so Angelie just took three huge chunks from her
handle of vodka and then it goes into the opening
credits and okay, so before we began, you David you
had said, like our Bevett said, this is a David episode.
(13:24):
Did you guys view episodes as belonging to certain characters
based on storylines?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I definitely felt yeah, there's definitely like it. Uh, you
knew who was going to be the stronger character was?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Who is?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Who is the who? Everything was kind of gonna lean
and the.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Episodes are usually themed and we all kind of will
connect to the theme somehow, but it was always clear
who the A storyline was and we all got our
turn branches. So, uh so when the the this episode
was I was considered part of the A storyline because
the big crux of it is when she attacks.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Me, Yes, which is the traumatized I'm sure and what well,
I guess we'll get to that scene, but I have
questions about that. Sure, Okay, we are getting into that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We all have questions about that coordinator for that one.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
I would imagine, yes.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, because she had to pick you up and like
like take you.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Well, she grabs me and man handles me, and we
definitely had a coordinator for stuff like that, especially because
of my age at the time.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, oh, interesting, Okay, I wouldn't have thought about that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Before we get into the next bit. Yeah, let's take
a quick break to be our fact.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
I'm happy you're leading this one, so grateful.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Honestly, I'm happy too. This Like I said, this is
a dream.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I also love that when I said, what this one traumatized?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it was like this one for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
This was also one of the ones that when there
were reruns on TV, like way before streaming, you're like, oh,
I hope it's like the one with like the drunk Ant,
you're kind of like, oh, I love like, I love
like the drama of this one was like intense.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah mm hmmm, all right, well all right, well let's
talk about the drunk Anty.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, so you're at dinner.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Your dad tells you you guys are old enough, which
are definitely not to make your own decisions about how
you're going to spend Thanksgiving and everyone's like, wow, thank
you so much. Angelie takes another sip of something and
David you say, wow, Angelie, you sure can drink or
you sure drink a lot.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Yeah, I hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Saying the quiet part out yes, which Simon's really good
at in these early early episodes. So that sort of
establishes where we're going from there. And then there's a
few more scenes where Julie, looking like forlorn and sad,
like sneaks.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like wine or some Bailey's into her coffee.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
And the extra like when she's with mom and then
she like takes hers and doubles down.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And did you also notice that there was always the
music would play when she would drink, So the music
came and yeah, this sad music always.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Came I didn't notice that.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh my god, it always came on.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So the music always came on, like I can't even
do it, but like there.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Was a sad horn.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it's yeah, we should feel about the music.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
All the music like that that like same sort of like.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I mean, I think you the music always told the
story of what was going to happen, like this is
a sad.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Our music was very kind of like like stage music,
like it all kind of Whenever I think back on
the show, I always think of like the music we
walk in the kitchen, like.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Dude, do.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
It's like I don't know, it's it's mood music, right,
It just it sets the tone or the.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Mood for my little kid gets scared when like before
the scary stuff and the thing happens because the music
gets ominous and she's like, you know, waiting for it.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Well, yeah, I had her own music. That was every
time she like had a drink, she had her own music.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Sad Horn and Julie.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Then you're in church and there's there's so many different
like establishing scenes of like wow and Julie.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We really had to like so problem well so seventh Heaven.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
The one thing that I think we were really really
good about was.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like literally like like hitting it so hard, like not
only have we established the problem, We're going to show
you all the different ways that you can show that
you have a problem, and we're going to keep hitting
it until you're absolutely certain and there's absolutely no question
at all that you know that there is a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I have a question though, so why bother locking your
liquor cabinet. If the key's in it the whole time
and the kids have the key, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Then you'll lose the key to the cabinet having it.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
In a cabinet with the key.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
If if well, because the cabinet's cool.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I mean, who's hidden there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't think that they were worried Simon, No, none
of the Camden kids were hitting it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Like I understand, But then why keep it in a
cabinet with locks.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Because it's a cool cabinet, all right?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Well, when she opens the cabinet, it is like it's
like a wine cabinet.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
It has the slots for.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The bob, which, by the way, I don't think I
ever knew that that that's what that was.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah, not ever.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's a
nice little yeah I know.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And actually I don't think we ever had that piece
of furniture in there again after this episode.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Oh that's I guess, yeah, like the minister would have
like a really, I don't.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Know, it was stock too. She opened it up, it
was like ten bottles in there.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I also think that the drink that she drank was
port because I saw a big pe I was like,
I think that's port.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It was definitely like all the different things. It was
like vodka, here's some dessert. Wine, yes, like yeah, she
all equal opportunity employer yeah, alcohol, yeah, and later on
she begs for beer.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yes, yes, she hit all of them.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's also a great you're right in that.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And I kind of experienced this doing this rewatch as
an adult, you know, which you don't pick up on
as a kid, or if you do, it's so.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Like you don't realize you're picking up on it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But like everything you learn about alcoholism and a textbook
is covered within the first like twelve minutes of this episode,
like like she lost her job, her boyfriend won't call
her back, like she keeps like sneaking out, and like exactly, So, yeah,
you're right. There's no question as to like what's going
on here. There's no gray area.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
This is like black and white, weird book alcoholic.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Sometimes this, this tactic of hitting a subject with a
hammer is is like part of our strength, Like we
hit it from many angles and we tackle it aggressively.
Sometimes I feel like some of these subjects require a
delicate touch, and we are like hammered.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So this is an example of a subject that might
require a delicate touch that got the hammer.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, I think the alcoholism is a good example.
We we had recently covered like our racism episode from
the first season, and going through that episode, I was like, Wow,
this is there's some nuance here, and there's some like
the character's perspectives all kind of clash a bit, and
there's there's an interesting way that we're dealing tackling this
(20:30):
subject that has some kind of respect and knows that
it's a sensitive topic.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then this one's just.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Like yeah, I think I think the racism episode was
so beautifully and tactfully done.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think this episode was like aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Wow, like we.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Really went for it, and we went alcohol.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I mean, we'll get into the details on some of
these big scenes coming up, but yeah, some of it.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I was like, uh, it does make me wonder if
the if the writers were like, well, we don't want
kids thinking that like just because their parents have a
drink with her, they're alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I think that's I think that that's probably a true
perspective because also I think there was I think there's
a part.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
There is a portion where Lucy says.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think where Lucy's trying to understand, being like, well,
if you can stop, like if alcohol is a problem,
then just stop. Like So it was like truly like
trying to like understand the difference between having a glass
of wine and then drinking a bottle of straight off in.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The air plane.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
So we're getting into the scene, which happens a lot
quicker than I thought. It's about fifteen minutes in and
Simon and Ruthie are playing in the living room and.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Simon's wearing his new Batman sweater that she gave me.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
That she gave you, and Happy is in his her
sorry sweater.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Sweater, which is adorable.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It's very cute, and really comes striding in and.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think at like playfully you take the key.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Out of the wine cabinet, and she kind of was
like I want the key and you're like you can't,
like you think you're playing right, and then she comes
at you.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Uh, and that this.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Was the part that was traumatizing as a child. So
you think you're playing a game. She loses her temper
and uh, she all of a sudden screams, give me
that damn key.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah, she screams and curses, like grabs me up by
the collar y like moves me. So I remember that
was like the thing that we coordinated. Was it when
she had to move me from like the window seat
to like over to the couch the back of the
couch and uh, And I'm just supposed to be kind
of frozen and scared and she's just screaming at me
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and being aggressive and it's supposed to be that kind
of like split second snap right that it's the moment
they're trying to really Yeah, punch, alcohol makes you create.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And I think she I think Deborah, who is a
phenomenal actress, I think she did such a great job
of showing the like the playful like Aunt Julie and
then showing that switch and that flip because that's not
the it's not easy to do.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Nothing about the way that was written for her was
easy to do, and she did.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I think she did. She did a great job of
kind of flipping that switch.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And since this was like her first episode with us too,
you know, it was a lot a lot to do.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, well, we'll get into the aftermath of this attack
on side Simon after this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All right, so we are back with Aunt Julie and
Simon and family tension.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And I can hear like the sirens are coming to
get Angelie right now.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's that's it, to put it lightly.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, but you know, yeah, what do you alcohol, Mac?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
What do you remember about this scene?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I remember your Batman shirt. I remember you know, the
stunt of her strangling him and all of that, And
I remember drunk an Julie. Yeah, I remember filming that
scene with you and her.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Were you like oh no, or were you like, yeah,
get them?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, I'm kind of wish that I got the Batman's shirt.
I remember that.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
You were jealous that you did.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I didn't really want it all.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
No, No, that's why I gave it back.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh that's right, that's right. So and I and I'm
sorry about these sirens.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So you but do you have did you guys watch
these episodes a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Or do you do not, like, do you just have
the memory, like you know, memories of filming or did
you watch them back right away? Like what was your
relationship with the actual show once it had aired.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I think like the first season I definitely watched, but
like I have not seen an episode until I was
on the airplane yesterday coming here and I really doing
my homework and watching. So it's it's actually kind of funny.
This whole experience of us rewatching has been fascinating because
it's also like a new appreciation for like what we did.
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Sometimes it has been a little shocking because people are like,
this affected my whole life, and I'm like, how why
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, we have a new adult appreciation, but it's.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Also because our experience was so different than what your
experience was as a viewer. So now watching it, it's
been the appreciation of understanding for how this impacted people's
lives is a little bit easier to understand.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Absolutely, I agree, which.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But it is weird because it's like, literally I was like,
I may have shed a few tears on the airplane,
which was like really awkward.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
David and Mack, same with you guys.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You didn't really rewatch the show.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well when it was on it was like past my bedtime.
But I've only been rewatching it honestly as we're doing this,
and like Bev said, I definitely have a whole new
appreciation for it. I mean, and a lot of the storylines,
especially in the Younger you know, in the beginning they
were way over my head, like figuratively and literally. But
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you know, you know, it's just I'm a parent. Now
we're all parents, and so we get it more.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So Annie rushes in to save you from the grips
the literal grip of Angulie.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, you guys look terrified. She looks that. I think
maybe the reaction was.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
The thing that traumatized me weirdly, like I thought it
was just scary she was.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
It was like Mama bear. Yeah, reaction big time.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah, which is great, by the way, And again, as
for the whole first season, Catherine just firing on all
cylinders in every episode.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I love her work.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like a classic thing too, though, Like you have, Eric's
a torn between his loyalty to his little sister and
his wife who's like, you know, but our kids are
my first priority.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Yeah. That's a good scene, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, that was interesting and I think probably a dynamic
that a lot of people experience at some point in
their relationships.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And then Julie immediately goes or you know, Annie basically
runs her out of the house and she ends up
at I thoughtually ended up at the pool hall, but
it doesn't sound like a.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Pool hall yet. Yeah, the pool really, Oh that's later,
that's later. So they were at.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like a bar.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
This was probably, if you look at the show chronologically,
this bar scene was probably one of the precursors to
them building our pool hall, because the pool hall as
you know it that we were usually out on the
show was a set we built on our on our
sound stage, but it wasn't an original set. It was
something that we added as we came back for the
as the seasons went on, because I think one.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Of you guys worked there. It was there, and then.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
The Yeah, it became a place that we were going
to use a lot more often. So they built one
and they and this is what they tended to do.
They were like, oh, like, you know, Matt works at
the hospital, so we're gonna, you know, have the hospital hallways.
We're going to build them and then we'd we'd repaint
the hospital hallways and use them for the school the
school hallways, and then we did you know, so we
had we had at the end of the show, we
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had more diversity of sets to work with on the
sound stage, when originally it was just the house. So
then this pool hall, which was a location, was probably
like one of the first instances where we started using
a location like this until they built it.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Okay, this was kind of like risque. I mean honestly,
I was watching this and when I was ten or eleven,
and like, she's Angelie, like goes to the bar and
is is like getting hit on by a man. She's drunk. Yes,
she's surrounded by beer bottles.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yes, there's a lot of innuendo. And I was actually
surprised by how aggressive the innuendo was with Matt and
his girlfriend about their trip.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh, by the way, I also want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Do you know he has like a new girlfriend every
episode I see every episode. I used to think that
Lucy was like the one who got around, like Matt
was like busy, we all.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He also said that like like yeah, he he was.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Wow, he was a popular guy.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
But there's a line where she's like this is an
a skeme trip. It's a me trip, and I was like,
oh my god, geez.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Again hammer on the hat.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I definitely was like, wait, that's a virtune.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
The bar scene where Eric goes in to get and Julie.
It's very suggestive. Everything is being hit with a hammer,
all of the points. And then he demands that she
leave with him and threatens the guy she's flirting with
with violence, and then and then.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Accosts her and drags her out of the.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Court line that he said too and he like, oh
my god, he said.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Oh your fist, I'll feed it to you or something.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
They wanted to make him look tough, and I was like, Okay,
I get that they want him to be tough.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
And the rescue.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She screams, go to hell at him.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, she's a mouth on her so much of But
then I was like, I'm watching this as an adult,
and I'm like, do we handle alcoholism like this? Is
this appropriate? Like I really couldn't decide, right.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Well, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think the key thing that I would takeaway, I
think is there is no right way to handle alcoholism.
Every every situation is going to be unique and difficult, and.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
There is no right or wrong. It's just it's it's
so I think, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Do I think The difference though for me was that
I think again, usually we address that there's no right
way and it's messy and there's that nuance or delicacy
put to the subject matter, whereas this.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
One was like coming with me. We were dragging her
out of the bar, and I was like, oh man.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I also think that the reason why it was maybe
so aggressive too is because it was Eric's sister. So
I think that him it was no longer him counseling someone.
It wasn't like a pier or like someone off the street.
It was his sister. So it was this big brotherly
like it was. It was definitely there was definitely a
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different turn to it. Like I know that that one
scene later on that they have with Eric and Annie
when he basically begs her to let him do it,
which we should we'll dive into We'll dive into that
in just a minute right after this.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Great So we're back and we had just we have
just dragged Julie out of this barn.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Where do we go next?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
She's going home and you guys have all just gotten
a talk from your mom about alcoholism and it's a disease,
and she says that right off the top, and you're
also seeing every child's different reaction to this. Matt wants
to like ban the family together. She's still our aunt
Mary is like if her Simon, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't want that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Ruthie has a lot of questions, Simon, you're traumatized, Lucy,
you're crying.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
And this is the moment and this shut for this episode.
This is the one part that kind of does the
thing I think we're good at where our perspectives on
the topic are clashing, and so that makes it less
preachy and more interesting to watch because you get to
see different opinions about what's going on play out.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
And they did that here for you.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, and I think they set it up because I
think they continue to show that through from here on out.
So once they introduce this, they kind of follow through
with that.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
And so this comes to the like you have now
entered the scene of like withdrawal, so like all of
this is obviously happening at like lightning speed.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
She's we're speed running alcohol's alcoholic recovery.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yet and and she's and this is I think where
you guys were talking about your memory of the scenes
of like the parents kind of argue it, Eric feeling like,
you know, the loyalty to his sister and Annie being like,
is it safe to have this person in the house
with our children.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean, and I think that the you know,
obviously that's a valid point, and I think to show
both of them. And I thought it was interesting when
you know, Eric like let literally begs, you know, this
is my sister and I have to be here. It
has to be me, and then Annie, you know, still
with that same resolve like but fine, but my kids
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come first.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, and you guys are all sort of simultaneously canceling
your big Thanksgiving plans as well.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, and I think it's happening at home.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And I do think that was also, Like I think
also the lead in with all Camdens on all occasions
throughout all seasons is like we'll set them up to
like you have a choice, and then it's like they
always like you know, and they'll always choose family and
they'll always come back. But like there is a question
of whether or not we're gonna like make the wrong choice.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, there has to be drama.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
It is a dramatic show.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
This is early in that in that setup for the family,
So it's still unclear if like Mary's gonna bail or
if how that's going to shake out.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, the next ten minutes of the episode I think
are the most interesting. There's like a lot of back
like Julie wakes up and she's like, I'm fine, I
got like such a good night's sleep and like I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I'm never gonna drink again.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And I actually thought this was something that they did
really well, which was showing that like there is it's
not like a linear progression of like recovery. You know,
they kind of they kind of made it a little
bit messy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, buy me a first class ticket?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Do you want to do? You want to talk about
that more?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I mean so, you know, she's just trying to manipulate
each family member one by one. I think with Matt
she's the most brutal. And you know you see him
crying behind the door.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
By the way, Also, that was like the more.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Swear words in this when episode than any other.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
By the way, when Barry did the door slam and
the slide down the door, I was like, when did
you steal my stuff?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
That is what? And then I was also by its
lying like is Barry crying?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Like does he do that?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
So I was a little bit shocked. I felt a
little taken.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Aback.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I was like very you took my moment, that's what
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Were you guys able to cry on demand or were
you using tearsticks or what was the you know, eye drops,
like what was the behind the scenes the crying.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We all did it differently. I mean, I think it
just depends. It depends on.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Today what the scene is about, Like how connected you
were able to get to that emotion. You could definitely,
I mean you couldn't like just do a menthol thing
and like not feel emotion. But sometimes they would help
or they would have like those glycerine things, like if
they really needed to focus in on tears on your face,
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they would actually like sometimes thick ones.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Yeah, they could just add the tears with that yeah thing.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, nowadays it's all in post but.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Over the c G I tears that's what they do now.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Jared insert to your here.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Over the course of the show, you know, I think
all of us had our turn with all of the tricks,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
As needed.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
But but it always, uh it like Max said, you
had it always had to start with some of the
emotional connection to the material and some acting and some
you know, it had to come from the inside at first,
and then sometimes if you needed that that extra hand,
you would, you know, take a little help if you
needed it that day.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
There are some good moments between Eric and Julie. Uh
in these morning afters. Right there's there's Matt trying at
the door.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Again.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I learned so much as a child from this episode.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Like honestly, I just.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I just felt like first foray into what alcoholism was
and how it could ruin a family.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
True and what when?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I guess this is a more technical question of how
you guys filmed, but like you know in these scenes, uh,
with the adults, like where were the kids? Were you
watching this being filmed? Like were you aware of these scenes?
Were you watching them as they were happening, or did
you not see them until after?
Speaker 7 (38:39):
No.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
So when you do sitcoms with like particularly sitcoms with audiences,
like they'll film everything chronologically and and you'll everyone's there
for the whole thing because you're you're knocking it all
out in one night, and it's all kind of compressed
with dramas.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Our schedule was all out of order.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
It was over the course of typically eight days, so
just over a week of work week, so week and
half basically and everything is shot for convenience by location,
So like if we had two or three big kitchen scenes,
we'd probably be doing those at the same time. And
then you know, if we were in the upstairs hallway,
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we'd shoot around the upstairs hallway that day mostly, so
things were more based on what was convenient for camera.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
And if you were not in the scene, you wouldn't
see the scene.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
And also because we had school, so if we weren't
needed on camera, even if we were off camera in
the scene, they would typically pull us, send us to
the school trailers, and then someone else would do our
off camera lines so we could get school hours in
during the day because we have a school quota of
time that.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
We have to do.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, So with eight minutes left of the episode comes
this like climactic scene, probably the second most memorable scene,
where Eric is sort of sleeping next to his sister
to make sure like if she wakes up in the
middle of the night and has like a night yeah,
like a yeah, a nightmare from her withdrawal symptoms, which
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she then does, and she wakes up like screaming and
he like literally like holds her down. Yeah, And I
remember as a kid being like like watching this, like
I remember last night being an adult being like, oh
my god, its going on.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
It's really it is an intense scene and it definitely
a strong choice for like dealing with it kind of
head on and aggressively.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And Annie comes around too, and she said, this.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Is Yes, this is the most I think the only
other show that I had been watching at this time
that sort of was like four ten year olds and
dealt with like addiction was saved by the Bell when
Jesse gets addicted to caffeine pills and this was such
a you know that all got solved in like thirty seconds. Yeah,
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And this was like a really raw this is more
of a gut punch.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
She like wakes up in the middle of night sweating,
like screaming, and it takes two adults to like hold
her down. And I was like in fourth grade like
like glued to the.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Television watching this.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, I'm scared that every adult in my life was
an alcoholic after that, like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I apologize for causing you trauma, and I apologize, yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
And also I apologize if this is not how you're
supposed to handle these situations, because I don't know who
knows part of rewatching it was I was going, oh
my god, like, is this is this how you handle
these situations?
Speaker 7 (41:47):
And like you said, it's messy and who.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Knows, there is no right answer perhaps for like a
one size fits all situation, but like I.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Did, it was hard to watch.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
One thing too that was kind of great about the
show though, is the way like like if we were
going to tackle it, we were going to just like
go for it, and like we went for it on
this episode. And I feel like it was a very
strong episode, and I mean I think it opened up
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conversations that probably wouldn't have naturally, uh come to the
dinner table, you.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Know, Yeah, conversations that we're going to have as soon
as we come back.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Are we back?
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:41):
We yeah, all right, we're back. But how does this?
Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
How do we wrap it up?
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Julie?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Julie is going to get herself into like a rehab
facility and all of you guys make Thanksgiving for your
extremely tired parents who have been up all night dealing
with their drunk family members.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, this is this is when our excellent cook skills.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
This is where we show that dad has taught us
how to cook in that moment, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think the cool I think like the
great thing about this episode two that a lot of
shows didn't do, And I think like Seventh Heaven also
like there were a lot of people you saw for
one episode and then never saw again, but Julie Angulie's
alcoholism was a recurring plotline throughout the entirety of the
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entire series. You saw her like come back, and there
were times where characters would question if she had like
relapsed or if she had like broken her sobriety or whatever.
And I think that that also added to like how
strong this first episode of that topic sort of like
sets that.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
Up to be Yes, we never went we never dove
back into her alcoholism like this, but there were but
that lingering like questioning of her sobriety was always there. Yeah, yep,
So I think it's appropriate given how episode was well.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
And also I think it's as to life, like once
you know, it's not something that just like goes away
and that you're like done with and like it's magically cured.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
It's something that.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Like is a constant struggle and it is something that.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
You will deal with for the rest of your life.
So I think it was.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
It was a very smart and correct choice for that
to still continue through her storyline for as long as
she was.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
On the show.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
And that's why in like in AA and stuff, you say,
like you say you introduce yourself, and you say, I
am an alcoholic no matter how long you've been sober.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
One of the lines that she says that I thought
was funny rewatching this as an adult was like, you know,
there's like the extreme nuance of some of the scenes
of this episode are like really multifaceted and like multi dimensional.
And then you get this one sort of scene where
she calls the rehab facility to check herself in and
she goes, hope you guys are good.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm sneaky.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, And I just thought that was funny because I
don't know that many alcoholics who like would have that
quick of a turnaround to be like, I do have
a really big problem and you guys better stay on me.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
I think the way that the way that they make
that work, and it's the it's the actress, it's it's
Sebi Rahu makes it work. But like they they sell
it because they we introduced her as the cool ant
and so because she was cool Aunt Julie, we get
it in that phone call, we get that glimpse of
cool ant. And and whenever she kind of sobers up,
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like when she tries to manipulate Matt, there there's all
these moments where she kind of clicks back into cool ant,
and that's part of the manipulation but also what makes
her redeemable and likable as a character as far as
she can be in the episode.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And then she has Mary's makeover.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I love I love the turnaround with oh right
with with Mary, and.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
And that the very end, uh Simon asks if she's
all better, and she says no, but she's gonna she's
going to try to make some changes. And I thought
that was really probably a helpful way to tackle the right.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Answer yes, and it's also the honest answer yeah, because obviously,
like she is not all fixed at all. And and
I love that you're wearing the sweater, You're you put
on the Batman sweater.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
I give it her.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
We glazed over that, but we we kind of we
all return our gifts and anger and frustration and stuff.
And then so it's like, well maybe, but I really
liked it. It's probably still in there. I could go
get it back.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I love the thinking too, is like, well, when she
gave it to me, I liked her.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
I was still okay.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I like the part where she talks about getting happiest
butters like I was drunk when I got that.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Oh yeah, which is funny.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah that is funny.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, that's like the last that's like the end of
the episode.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, because it's all at the dinner, it's all when
we're I.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Remember I thought like, okay, too soon and Angelie.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
But again, it's it's that cool ant, very self aware
of humor. It's done.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
It's done well by Deborah who who kind of I
think does a great job at selling the cool ant
side of the coin so that these other extremes can
can take a rest, you know.
Speaker 7 (47:29):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
It was a very like when we shot the scene
of her in you you know, our action scene. It
was a tense set day. I remember being like kind
of scared of like, you know, the rage that she
had to show. It was.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
Yeah, scenes like that are always It.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Was a heavy day on set, heavy and intense.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Yeah, especially for how young we were. I mean, they
can only prepare you so much, because.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's still an adult that this close to your face screaming,
even if it's fake, Like, that's scary for a kid.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
Yeah, I mean, And all you can do as an
adult in that situation is like is go through the
rehearsal as many times as they let you with the
kid and say, Okay, I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Gonna yell at you. I'm not mad at you, though,
and I'm gonna be loud.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Is this okay?
Speaker 6 (48:20):
Can I be this loud and try to really baby
step the kids through it to keep them from taking
it personally or getting upset, like, yeah, to be.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
That person being the scary person, like when they cut
was she like it's okay?
Speaker 7 (48:33):
So yeah, totally, Like you know, yeah she was.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I just she was.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
And she's like literally like the nicest woman.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I know. Sadly she has passed so twenty twelve, I
didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Yes, sadly she is died of cancer leukemia.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah that's sad.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
Yeah, but she did a phenomenal job.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And this was an an intense, amazing episode And I'm
so grateful that you are here to dive into it
with us, because honestly, like, I think having the outside
perspective was very helpful and because it was intense, uh
and it was.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
Thank you for the guided tour.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Yeah, I think Seventh Heaven had the range. I think
this episode really proves that.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
Yeah, it did well.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
On that note, thank you so much for listening to
catching up with the Camdens and Caroline.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
You were so amazing. We would love to have.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
You back to explore another episode if you'd be willing.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I would love nothing more. My gosh, so fun.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
So if you guys want to catch another episode with
us and Caroline where we will dive.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Into another episode of Seventh Heaven, thanks for watching. Make
sure to like subscribe and do all the things.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And that's it. Oh yeah what yeah? So so here's
the word from our spot, Sir Maker's Mark oh Man
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HM
Hey guys, So welcome to another episode of Catching Up
with the Camdens. We did this episode via riverside and
just want to let you know that we had a
few technical difficulties with the mics that we weren't able
to cut out, so bear with us and you know tough.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is Catching Up with the Camdens. And I'm McKenzie Bosman.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We're good, and I am Beverly Mitchell, and I'm David
Gallagher and we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Caroline Moss.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, and thank you so much for joining us, and
go go tell us.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This is a This is a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I was a big Seventh Heaven fan growing up and
my parents would only let us watch like one show
a week, like we could pick what we wanted to watch,
and I picked Seventh Heaven. And when I met Bev
last year doing something through work, I was like, and
she had told me she was starting this podcast with
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you guys. I was like, okay, well, if you ever
do a fan episode, please.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Have me on.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So this is very exciting and and.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This was like it like literally I think like you
put this in motion. To be honest, I feel like
you put it out in the universe, and I was like, well,
I'm glad. When I thought about it, I was like, well,
there's only one answer, and the answer is Caroline.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm so happy that I told my friends, my two
of my best friends, so I'm still very close with
I grew up with. I was like, guess what I'm
doing today, And I don't think I could have delivered
any cooler news. So I mean that this is big.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You're You're putting us on a very high pedestal, and
I hope we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Disappointing because I feel you're going to be great. I
think this is we're so happy to have you and
we're so excited. And I know I was so grateful
that we ubered together. I know we did that fateful
time where you saw me where I looked absolutely lost
and I could not figure out what the hell I
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was doing.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
He said, would you like to we can go together?
And I was like, that would be great because I
don't know what I'm doing. I think she did saved
my life in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, that's a song.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, but what episode should we dive into with you?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
What one do you feel in.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
We're gonna rewatch Last Call for Aunt Julie, which season one,
episode ten and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Drink for the.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What did you say?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Mac?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
She said she needs to drink.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Julie, that's kind of how we got here. Yeah, I
think that is.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
This episode literally traumatized me as a child.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
I too, probably, I bet.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I can only imagine. So should we just dive in?
I have it in front of me.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, dive in.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Let's let's let's let's go for because I feel like, also,
I I haven't watched this episode, so I watched it
on the plane yesterday and like, I may have shed
some tears, So let's let's let's go.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I was watching it, I was like, oh God, for different.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Reasons, For different reasons, I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you have a lot of questions. A right, let's go.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So the episode opens at the Camden House and Aunt Julie,
who is Eric's sister.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, coming to visit.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Who's amazing?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah she is, like I guess Eric's younger sister. Yeah, yeah, okay,
coming to visit. Annie's really excited. You can tell they
have a good relationship. And then the kids all come.
You guys all come downstairs, greet your aunt. She has
brought you gifts. Yes, you're opening these presents. She seems
to really understand like what each of you are into.
(03:52):
She brings everybody the exact thing that they were hoping for.
My question is, at what point were you guys told
you were going to do an episode about alcoholism.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't think I we just found that out.
I think I think we just we.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Was inspired by my own alcoholism at the time.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This was just an artistic intervention for you.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
By the way, I do have to say that that
first year old, that first scene with the gifts was
the first time that I was like, oh, Simon's sassy.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
When you're like and no one is leaving until.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You pull out a present for me, I was like,
that is so not like Simon, who was like so
polite and like respectful.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I feel like you were sassy man.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
There was a bit of sass coming up this first
season that that I had forgotten about.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
But yeah, Simon is is sassy. He's got a little
mouth on him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was kind of surprised by I was like, whoa,
I don't remember that about Simon.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But I think the point of this scene is just
we're just establishing that she's cool ant, yes, right, like that.
We want to we want to build her up as
cool as we can, so that we can so that
she can have her fall from grace and.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
As far as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, she does.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
She brings Ruthie at all, who Ruthie then names baby Julie.
You're very, very exciting, and it seems like, you know,
you guys don't have a like a big You have
a solid relationship with her as an aunt, but you
don't know, you know much about her, her troubles in
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her struggle.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, Mary idolizes her.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think we do get to that part.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, And so every so it's Thanksgiving, like it's like
around Thanksgiving and you guys are all asking if you
can go other places on Thanksgiving, which sort of like
blew my mind as like a child watching a show
that you could like go somewhere else for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
It's like having Christmas at someone else's house.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do that.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It definitely was like a little bit weird, like all
three like all the bigger kids. So Lucy wanted to
go to her to Jimmy Moon's, and then Mary wanted
to go to the movies.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, but I don't know. I've yeah, fondly. I love
Thanksgiving with my family and always have. So it was
strange to me. I was like, that's not a thing
you do on Thanksgiving, Like kids go around to their
friend's house and stuff.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
It's not that kind of holiday.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But yeah, well, well we get to there, we come
aroun and Julie and I guess is like she's saying,
I have this in front of me and I'm watching
silently with close captions.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But she they're like asking about her boyfriend and she's like, oh,
he couldn't make it, and we like better learned that,
like they had had like a bad breakup, right, And
this is the first glimpse we get a problem. She's
in the guests whatever guest room she's in. I think
she's in rooms room. Yeah, okay, And she pulls out
like a handle of vodka.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, travel with liquids. Yeah it wasn't a mini bottle.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, it was not many. It was not a nip.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
She pulls out like a like a handle.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, she got some she can carry.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
That was just the character when we were watching it.
I think I think Shawna was like three chugs. She
just was like, hey, you know she's uh, we're starting strong.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That's behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's always water, and if it's wine, it's always yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And if it's white wine, it's piss.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Matt, What is happening right now? Where are we going
with this?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's today?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I know you know what, she has not had lunch
and this is your fault.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
You didn't feed us. We're hungry anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
It's how long?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And I know you guys have talked about this on
other episodes, but like, you know, you get your script
and I know there's like rewrites and like, but what's
the process of of like getting your script and rehearsing.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like scenes and blocking and movement or whatever?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Like how many times did you go through the script
before you actually had to perform it?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So our show was a little different because there wasn't
like a tremendous amount of rewrites. So like, once we
got our script, we were pretty much locked and loded
and that is what we're gonna do. And then in
terms of like rehearsing, it's pretty we you know, on
the day we rehearse, we block it.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Then we go away, they light it, and then we
shoot it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So it's not but our show, you know, we don't
have complicated fights and we don't have like big sequences,
So it wasn't It wasn't stunts. We've established the We
did one stunt Mary fell down.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
There was a stunt or two, but early in the
show's history. So the script would come in for the
next episode, like I would say, probably like a week
ahead of time, not much more headway than that, and
then sometime in the week before h we would start
the episodes. I was we were wrapping up the previous episode.
We did do table reads, Oh yeah, we did do
so we would go to the office our studio was
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this was this factory, and in the front of the
factory was was our offices where we had like accounting
and some other the producing offices and stuff. They would
set up a table and we would do a read
like at the end of a day or kind of
like through a long lunch or something like that. So
but we didn't do that the whole time. In the beginning,
we kind of did that, and then at some point
that fell off when we were just kind of everyone
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knew their characters knew what we were doing, and we
would just kind of roll from one episode of the next,
and then as far as rehearsing and blocking, it was
just day of like you know, getting into the next
scene and we would set it up and.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Go, I know, and each of us kind of did
our memorization differently, so like I would actually not memorize
until I was in the makeup chair and while they
were lighting, so then I had, you know what, fifteen
minutes before because I didn't like, I didn't like memorizing
the night before. I would look over a scene, but
I wouldn't memorize it until you did.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
The night before.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, I didn't do the night before. I couldn't remember
it well everybody yet night before it took like ten minutes.
If I tried to do it the day of, it
took like five times as long.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah, I also.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Sleeping because I was older than Mac, but I was
still being driven to set like my parents were still
with me.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I got and proximity to stage.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I was an hour away from where I live, so
I would have an hour drive down to the stage,
and I would spend that hour in the passenger seat
going over the day's work. So by the time I
got there, got changed up into rehearsals, I was like
pretty much.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Where I needed to be.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
And then while they were lighting and doing everything else,
we'd all go to the hair and makeup trailer and
we'd be running stuff while we were getting ready. And
so by the time we started shooting everything was you
know there, we were there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, hopefully. I didn't realize it moved that quickly.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Oh it did.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, and it only got faster as the seasons
went on.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And I mean I know I asked you guys this
earlier about like when did you find out you were
doing that episode about alcohol?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But so much of the first.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Season was like like so many pregnant unwed teens.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, they're so there's an uni incredibly high percentage. And
then like there were gangs, Like there were gangs, Like
were your parents like, hey, like, were there any conversations
that any adults in your life were like having with
you about this as you were memorizing these lines and
doing these episodes.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yeah, some of the stuff, like we in particular, I
remember they had to explain to me what huffing was
when we did.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That episode, because like I was like, what you.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Know, and like all most of them, I think, yeah,
but a lot of the heavier episodes, like my parents
were always cool about kind of giving me a heads up,
and it was never like too they didn't kind of
make that big of a deal about it, but they would.
I would get some kind of heads up on whatever
the heavy handed situation was.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't think I had any No, I think I
I guess I just had to figure.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It out on my own.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
But you were a teenager, I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I was a woman of the world.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I would not go that bar and speaking.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
When I was eleven.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Yeah, some of that stuff in the beginning anyway, some
of that stuff I need, you know.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
My parents were like, by the way, this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is about me, so yeah, the world was new to me.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
So right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
There's just it's very doing this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I told Bev I was doing this rewatch over the
holidays of season one and I was just like, wow,
Like every episode is like a new pregnant team a gang.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
It goes hard, Yeah, really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Is that where that where they find the gang stuff?
And there's like the yes, that's Neil.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Neil definitely like put it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
It's so funny. It's incredible. It is the details.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I was like, what town is this? Like I'm glad
I don't live there, Like this is a.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Dangerous place street Glen Oak.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So so Angelie just took three huge chunks from her
handle of vodka and then it goes into the opening
credits and okay, so before we began, you David you
had said, like our Bevett said, this is a David episode.
(13:24):
Did you guys view episodes as belonging to certain characters
based on storylines?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I definitely felt yeah, there's definitely like it. Uh, you
knew who was going to be the stronger character was?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Who is?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Who is the who? Everything was kind of gonna lean
and the.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Episodes are usually themed and we all kind of will
connect to the theme somehow, but it was always clear
who the A storyline was and we all got our
turn branches. So, uh so when the the this episode
was I was considered part of the A storyline because
the big crux of it is when she attacks.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Me, Yes, which is the traumatized I'm sure and what well,
I guess we'll get to that scene, but I have
questions about that. Sure, Okay, we are getting into that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We all have questions about that coordinator for that one.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
I would imagine, yes.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, because she had to pick you up and like
like take you.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Well, she grabs me and man handles me, and we
definitely had a coordinator for stuff like that, especially because
of my age at the time.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, oh, interesting, Okay, I wouldn't have thought about that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Before we get into the next bit. Yeah, let's take
a quick break to be our fact.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
I'm happy you're leading this one, so grateful.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Honestly, I'm happy too. This Like I said, this is
a dream.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I also love that when I said, what this one traumatized?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it was like this one for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
This was also one of the ones that when there
were reruns on TV, like way before streaming, you're like, oh,
I hope it's like the one with like the drunk Ant,
you're kind of like, oh, I love like, I love
like the drama of this one was like intense.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah mm hmmm, all right, well all right, well let's
talk about the drunk Anty.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, so you're at dinner.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Your dad tells you you guys are old enough, which
are definitely not to make your own decisions about how
you're going to spend Thanksgiving and everyone's like, wow, thank
you so much. Angelie takes another sip of something and
David you say, wow, Angelie, you sure can drink or
you sure drink a lot.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Yeah, I hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Saying the quiet part out yes, which Simon's really good
at in these early early episodes. So that sort of
establishes where we're going from there. And then there's a
few more scenes where Julie, looking like forlorn and sad,
like sneaks.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like wine or some Bailey's into her coffee.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
And the extra like when she's with mom and then
she like takes hers and doubles down.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And did you also notice that there was always the
music would play when she would drink, So the music
came and yeah, this sad music always.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Came I didn't notice that.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh my god, it always came on.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So the music always came on, like I can't even
do it, but like there.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Was a sad horn.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it's yeah, we should feel about the music.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
All the music like that that like same sort of like.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I mean, I think you the music always told the
story of what was going to happen, like this is
a sad.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Our music was very kind of like like stage music,
like it all kind of Whenever I think back on
the show, I always think of like the music we
walk in the kitchen, like.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Dude, do.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
It's like I don't know, it's it's mood music, right,
It just it sets the tone or the.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Mood for my little kid gets scared when like before
the scary stuff and the thing happens because the music
gets ominous and she's like, you know, waiting for it.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Well, yeah, I had her own music. That was every
time she like had a drink, she had her own music.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Sad Horn and Julie.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Then you're in church and there's there's so many different
like establishing scenes of like wow and Julie.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We really had to like so problem well so seventh Heaven.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
The one thing that I think we were really really
good about was.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like literally like like hitting it so hard, like not
only have we established the problem, We're going to show
you all the different ways that you can show that
you have a problem, and we're going to keep hitting
it until you're absolutely certain and there's absolutely no question
at all that you know that there is a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I have a question though, so why bother locking your
liquor cabinet. If the key's in it the whole time
and the kids have the key, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Then you'll lose the key to the cabinet having it.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
In a cabinet with the key.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
If if well, because the cabinet's cool.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I mean, who's hidden there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't think that they were worried Simon, No, none
of the Camden kids were hitting it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Like I understand, But then why keep it in a
cabinet with locks.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Because it's a cool cabinet, all right?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Well, when she opens the cabinet, it is like it's
like a wine cabinet.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
It has the slots for.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The bob, which, by the way, I don't think I
ever knew that that that's what that was.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah, not ever.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's a
nice little yeah I know.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And actually I don't think we ever had that piece
of furniture in there again after this episode.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Oh that's I guess, yeah, like the minister would have
like a really, I don't.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Know, it was stock too. She opened it up, it
was like ten bottles in there.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I also think that the drink that she drank was
port because I saw a big pe I was like,
I think that's port.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It was definitely like all the different things. It was
like vodka, here's some dessert. Wine, yes, like yeah, she
all equal opportunity employer yeah, alcohol, yeah, and later on
she begs for beer.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yes, yes, she hit all of them.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's also a great you're right in that.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And I kind of experienced this doing this rewatch as
an adult, you know, which you don't pick up on
as a kid, or if you do, it's so.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Like you don't realize you're picking up on it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But like everything you learn about alcoholism and a textbook
is covered within the first like twelve minutes of this episode,
like like she lost her job, her boyfriend won't call
her back, like she keeps like sneaking out, and like exactly, So, yeah,
you're right. There's no question as to like what's going
on here. There's no gray area.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
This is like black and white, weird book alcoholic.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Sometimes this, this tactic of hitting a subject with a
hammer is is like part of our strength, Like we
hit it from many angles and we tackle it aggressively.
Sometimes I feel like some of these subjects require a
delicate touch, and we are like hammered.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So this is an example of a subject that might
require a delicate touch that got the hammer.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, I think the alcoholism is a good example.
We we had recently covered like our racism episode from
the first season, and going through that episode, I was like, Wow,
this is there's some nuance here, and there's some like
the character's perspectives all kind of clash a bit, and
there's there's an interesting way that we're dealing tackling this
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subject that has some kind of respect and knows that
it's a sensitive topic.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then this one's just.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Like yeah, I think I think the racism episode was
so beautifully and tactfully done.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think this episode was like aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Wow, like we.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Really went for it, and we went alcohol.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I mean, we'll get into the details on some of
these big scenes coming up, but yeah, some of it.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I was like, uh, it does make me wonder if
the if the writers were like, well, we don't want
kids thinking that like just because their parents have a
drink with her, they're alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I think that's I think that that's probably a true
perspective because also I think there was I think there's
a part.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
There is a portion where Lucy says.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think where Lucy's trying to understand, being like, well,
if you can stop, like if alcohol is a problem,
then just stop. Like So it was like truly like
trying to like understand the difference between having a glass
of wine and then drinking a bottle of straight off in.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The air plane.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
So we're getting into the scene, which happens a lot
quicker than I thought. It's about fifteen minutes in and
Simon and Ruthie are playing in the living room and.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Simon's wearing his new Batman sweater that she gave me.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
That she gave you, and Happy is in his her
sorry sweater.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Sweater, which is adorable.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It's very cute, and really comes striding in and.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think at like playfully you take the key.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Out of the wine cabinet, and she kind of was
like I want the key and you're like you can't,
like you think you're playing right, and then she comes
at you.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Uh, and that this.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Was the part that was traumatizing as a child. So
you think you're playing a game. She loses her temper
and uh, she all of a sudden screams, give me
that damn key.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah, she screams and curses, like grabs me up by
the collar y like moves me. So I remember that
was like the thing that we coordinated. Was it when
she had to move me from like the window seat
to like over to the couch the back of the
couch and uh, And I'm just supposed to be kind
of frozen and scared and she's just screaming at me
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and being aggressive and it's supposed to be that kind
of like split second snap right that it's the moment
they're trying to really Yeah, punch, alcohol makes you create.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And I think she I think Deborah, who is a
phenomenal actress, I think she did such a great job
of showing the like the playful like Aunt Julie and
then showing that switch and that flip because that's not
the it's not easy to do.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Nothing about the way that was written for her was
easy to do, and she did.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I think she did. She did a great job of
kind of flipping that switch.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And since this was like her first episode with us too,
you know, it was a lot a lot to do.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, well, we'll get into the aftermath of this attack
on side Simon after this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All right, so we are back with Aunt Julie and
Simon and family tension.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And I can hear like the sirens are coming to
get Angelie right now.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's that's it, to put it lightly.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, but you know, yeah, what do you alcohol, Mac?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
What do you remember about this scene?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I remember your Batman shirt. I remember you know, the
stunt of her strangling him and all of that, And
I remember drunk an Julie. Yeah, I remember filming that
scene with you and her.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Were you like oh no, or were you like, yeah,
get them?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, I'm kind of wish that I got the Batman's shirt.
I remember that.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
You were jealous that you did.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I didn't really want it all.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
No, No, that's why I gave it back.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh that's right, that's right. So and I and I'm
sorry about these sirens.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So you but do you have did you guys watch
these episodes a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Or do you do not, like, do you just have
the memory, like you know, memories of filming or did
you watch them back right away? Like what was your
relationship with the actual show once it had aired.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I think like the first season I definitely watched, but
like I have not seen an episode until I was
on the airplane yesterday coming here and I really doing
my homework and watching. So it's it's actually kind of funny.
This whole experience of us rewatching has been fascinating because
it's also like a new appreciation for like what we did.
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Sometimes it has been a little shocking because people are like,
this affected my whole life, and I'm like, how why
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, we have a new adult appreciation, but it's.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Also because our experience was so different than what your
experience was as a viewer. So now watching it, it's
been the appreciation of understanding for how this impacted people's
lives is a little bit easier to understand.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Absolutely, I agree, which.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But it is weird because it's like, literally I was like,
I may have shed a few tears on the airplane,
which was like really awkward.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
David and Mack, same with you guys.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You didn't really rewatch the show.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well when it was on it was like past my bedtime.
But I've only been rewatching it honestly as we're doing this,
and like Bev said, I definitely have a whole new
appreciation for it. I mean, and a lot of the storylines,
especially in the Younger you know, in the beginning they
were way over my head, like figuratively and literally. But
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you know, you know, it's just I'm a parent. Now
we're all parents, and so we get it more.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So Annie rushes in to save you from the grips
the literal grip of Angulie.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, you guys look terrified. She looks that. I think
maybe the reaction was.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
The thing that traumatized me weirdly, like I thought it
was just scary she was.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
It was like Mama bear. Yeah, reaction big time.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah, which is great, by the way, And again, as
for the whole first season, Catherine just firing on all
cylinders in every episode.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I love her work.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like a classic thing too, though, Like you have, Eric's
a torn between his loyalty to his little sister and
his wife who's like, you know, but our kids are
my first priority.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Yeah. That's a good scene, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, that was interesting and I think probably a dynamic
that a lot of people experience at some point in
their relationships.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And then Julie immediately goes or you know, Annie basically
runs her out of the house and she ends up
at I thoughtually ended up at the pool hall, but
it doesn't sound like a.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Pool hall yet. Yeah, the pool really, Oh that's later,
that's later. So they were at.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like a bar.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
This was probably, if you look at the show chronologically,
this bar scene was probably one of the precursors to
them building our pool hall, because the pool hall as
you know it that we were usually out on the
show was a set we built on our on our
sound stage, but it wasn't an original set. It was
something that we added as we came back for the
as the seasons went on, because I think one.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Of you guys worked there. It was there, and then.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
The Yeah, it became a place that we were going
to use a lot more often. So they built one
and they and this is what they tended to do.
They were like, oh, like, you know, Matt works at
the hospital, so we're gonna, you know, have the hospital hallways.
We're going to build them and then we'd we'd repaint
the hospital hallways and use them for the school the
school hallways, and then we did you know, so we
had we had at the end of the show, we
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had more diversity of sets to work with on the
sound stage, when originally it was just the house. So
then this pool hall, which was a location, was probably
like one of the first instances where we started using
a location like this until they built it.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Okay, this was kind of like risque. I mean honestly,
I was watching this and when I was ten or eleven,
and like, she's Angelie, like goes to the bar and
is is like getting hit on by a man. She's drunk. Yes,
she's surrounded by beer bottles.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yes, there's a lot of innuendo. And I was actually
surprised by how aggressive the innuendo was with Matt and
his girlfriend about their trip.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh, by the way, I also want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Do you know he has like a new girlfriend every
episode I see every episode. I used to think that
Lucy was like the one who got around, like Matt
was like busy, we all.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He also said that like like yeah, he he was.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Wow, he was a popular guy.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
But there's a line where she's like this is an
a skeme trip. It's a me trip, and I was like,
oh my god, geez.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Again hammer on the hat.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I definitely was like, wait, that's a virtune.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
The bar scene where Eric goes in to get and Julie.
It's very suggestive. Everything is being hit with a hammer,
all of the points. And then he demands that she
leave with him and threatens the guy she's flirting with
with violence, and then and then.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Accosts her and drags her out of the.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Court line that he said too and he like, oh
my god, he said.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Oh your fist, I'll feed it to you or something.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
They wanted to make him look tough, and I was like, Okay,
I get that they want him to be tough.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
And the rescue.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She screams, go to hell at him.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, she's a mouth on her so much of But
then I was like, I'm watching this as an adult,
and I'm like, do we handle alcoholism like this? Is
this appropriate? Like I really couldn't decide, right.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Well, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think the key thing that I would takeaway, I
think is there is no right way to handle alcoholism.
Every every situation is going to be unique and difficult, and.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
There is no right or wrong. It's just it's it's
so I think, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Do I think The difference though for me was that
I think again, usually we address that there's no right
way and it's messy and there's that nuance or delicacy
put to the subject matter, whereas this.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
One was like coming with me. We were dragging her
out of the bar, and I was like, oh man.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I also think that the reason why it was maybe
so aggressive too is because it was Eric's sister. So
I think that him it was no longer him counseling someone.
It wasn't like a pier or like someone off the street.
It was his sister. So it was this big brotherly
like it was. It was definitely there was definitely a
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different turn to it. Like I know that that one
scene later on that they have with Eric and Annie
when he basically begs her to let him do it,
which we should we'll dive into We'll dive into that
in just a minute right after this.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Great So we're back and we had just we have
just dragged Julie out of this barn.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Where do we go next?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
She's going home and you guys have all just gotten
a talk from your mom about alcoholism and it's a disease,
and she says that right off the top, and you're
also seeing every child's different reaction to this. Matt wants
to like ban the family together. She's still our aunt
Mary is like if her Simon, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't want that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Ruthie has a lot of questions, Simon, you're traumatized, Lucy,
you're crying.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
And this is the moment and this shut for this episode.
This is the one part that kind of does the
thing I think we're good at where our perspectives on
the topic are clashing, and so that makes it less
preachy and more interesting to watch because you get to
see different opinions about what's going on play out.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
And they did that here for you.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, and I think they set it up because I
think they continue to show that through from here on out.
So once they introduce this, they kind of follow through
with that.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
And so this comes to the like you have now
entered the scene of like withdrawal, so like all of
this is obviously happening at like lightning speed.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
She's we're speed running alcohol's alcoholic recovery.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yet and and she's and this is I think where
you guys were talking about your memory of the scenes
of like the parents kind of argue it, Eric feeling like,
you know, the loyalty to his sister and Annie being like,
is it safe to have this person in the house
with our children.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean, and I think that the you know,
obviously that's a valid point, and I think to show
both of them. And I thought it was interesting when
you know, Eric like let literally begs, you know, this
is my sister and I have to be here. It
has to be me, and then Annie, you know, still
with that same resolve like but fine, but my kids
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come first.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, and you guys are all sort of simultaneously canceling
your big Thanksgiving plans as well.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, and I think it's happening at home.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And I do think that was also, Like I think
also the lead in with all Camdens on all occasions
throughout all seasons is like we'll set them up to
like you have a choice, and then it's like they
always like you know, and they'll always choose family and
they'll always come back. But like there is a question
of whether or not we're gonna like make the wrong choice.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, there has to be drama.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
It is a dramatic show.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
This is early in that in that setup for the family,
So it's still unclear if like Mary's gonna bail or
if how that's going to shake out.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, the next ten minutes of the episode I think
are the most interesting. There's like a lot of back
like Julie wakes up and she's like, I'm fine, I
got like such a good night's sleep and like I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I'm never gonna drink again.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And I actually thought this was something that they did
really well, which was showing that like there is it's
not like a linear progression of like recovery. You know,
they kind of they kind of made it a little
bit messy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, buy me a first class ticket?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Do you want to do? You want to talk about
that more?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I mean so, you know, she's just trying to manipulate
each family member one by one. I think with Matt
she's the most brutal. And you know you see him
crying behind the door.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
By the way, Also, that was like the more.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Swear words in this when episode than any other.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
By the way, when Barry did the door slam and
the slide down the door, I was like, when did
you steal my stuff?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
That is what? And then I was also by its
lying like is Barry crying?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Like does he do that?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
So I was a little bit shocked. I felt a
little taken.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Aback.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I was like very you took my moment, that's what
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Were you guys able to cry on demand or were
you using tearsticks or what was the you know, eye drops,
like what was the behind the scenes the crying.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We all did it differently. I mean, I think it
just depends. It depends on.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Today what the scene is about, Like how connected you
were able to get to that emotion. You could definitely,
I mean you couldn't like just do a menthol thing
and like not feel emotion. But sometimes they would help
or they would have like those glycerine things, like if
they really needed to focus in on tears on your face,
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they would actually like sometimes thick ones.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Yeah, they could just add the tears with that yeah thing.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, nowadays it's all in post but.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Over the c G I tears that's what they do now.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Jared insert to your here.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Over the course of the show, you know, I think
all of us had our turn with all of the tricks,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
As needed.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
But but it always, uh it like Max said, you
had it always had to start with some of the
emotional connection to the material and some acting and some
you know, it had to come from the inside at first,
and then sometimes if you needed that that extra hand,
you would, you know, take a little help if you
needed it that day.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
There are some good moments between Eric and Julie. Uh
in these morning afters. Right there's there's Matt trying at
the door.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Again.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I learned so much as a child from this episode.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Like honestly, I just.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I just felt like first foray into what alcoholism was
and how it could ruin a family.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
True and what when?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I guess this is a more technical question of how
you guys filmed, but like you know in these scenes, uh,
with the adults, like where were the kids? Were you
watching this being filmed? Like were you aware of these scenes?
Were you watching them as they were happening, or did
you not see them until after?
Speaker 7 (38:39):
No.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
So when you do sitcoms with like particularly sitcoms with audiences,
like they'll film everything chronologically and and you'll everyone's there
for the whole thing because you're you're knocking it all
out in one night, and it's all kind of compressed
with dramas.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Our schedule was all out of order.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
It was over the course of typically eight days, so
just over a week of work week, so week and
half basically and everything is shot for convenience by location,
So like if we had two or three big kitchen scenes,
we'd probably be doing those at the same time. And
then you know, if we were in the upstairs hallway,
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we'd shoot around the upstairs hallway that day mostly, so
things were more based on what was convenient for camera.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
And if you were not in the scene, you wouldn't
see the scene.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
And also because we had school, so if we weren't
needed on camera, even if we were off camera in
the scene, they would typically pull us, send us to
the school trailers, and then someone else would do our
off camera lines so we could get school hours in
during the day because we have a school quota of
time that.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
We have to do.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, So with eight minutes left of the episode comes
this like climactic scene, probably the second most memorable scene,
where Eric is sort of sleeping next to his sister
to make sure like if she wakes up in the
middle of the night and has like a night yeah,
like a yeah, a nightmare from her withdrawal symptoms, which
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she then does, and she wakes up like screaming and
he like literally like holds her down. Yeah, And I
remember as a kid being like like watching this, like
I remember last night being an adult being like, oh
my god, its going on.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
It's really it is an intense scene and it definitely
a strong choice for like dealing with it kind of
head on and aggressively.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And Annie comes around too, and she said, this.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Is Yes, this is the most I think the only
other show that I had been watching at this time
that sort of was like four ten year olds and
dealt with like addiction was saved by the Bell when
Jesse gets addicted to caffeine pills and this was such
a you know that all got solved in like thirty seconds. Yeah,
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And this was like a really raw this is more
of a gut punch.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
She like wakes up in the middle of night sweating,
like screaming, and it takes two adults to like hold
her down. And I was like in fourth grade like
like glued to the.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Television watching this.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, I'm scared that every adult in my life was
an alcoholic after that, like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I apologize for causing you trauma, and I apologize, yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
And also I apologize if this is not how you're
supposed to handle these situations, because I don't know who
knows part of rewatching it was I was going, oh
my god, like, is this is this how you handle
these situations?
Speaker 7 (41:47):
And like you said, it's messy and who.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Knows, there is no right answer perhaps for like a
one size fits all situation, but like I.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Did, it was hard to watch.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
One thing too that was kind of great about the
show though, is the way like like if we were
going to tackle it, we were going to just like
go for it, and like we went for it on
this episode. And I feel like it was a very
strong episode, and I mean I think it opened up
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conversations that probably wouldn't have naturally, uh come to the
dinner table, you.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Know, Yeah, conversations that we're going to have as soon
as we come back.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Are we back?
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:41):
We yeah, all right, we're back. But how does this?
Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
How do we wrap it up?
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Julie?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Julie is going to get herself into like a rehab
facility and all of you guys make Thanksgiving for your
extremely tired parents who have been up all night dealing
with their drunk family members.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, this is this is when our excellent cook skills.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
This is where we show that dad has taught us
how to cook in that moment, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think the cool I think like the
great thing about this episode two that a lot of
shows didn't do, And I think like Seventh Heaven also
like there were a lot of people you saw for
one episode and then never saw again, but Julie Angulie's
alcoholism was a recurring plotline throughout the entirety of the
(43:25):
entire series. You saw her like come back, and there
were times where characters would question if she had like
relapsed or if she had like broken her sobriety or whatever.
And I think that that also added to like how
strong this first episode of that topic sort of like
sets that.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
Up to be Yes, we never went we never dove
back into her alcoholism like this, but there were but
that lingering like questioning of her sobriety was always there. Yeah, yep,
So I think it's appropriate given how episode was well.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
And also I think it's as to life, like once
you know, it's not something that just like goes away
and that you're like done with and like it's magically cured.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
It's something that.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Like is a constant struggle and it is something that.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
You will deal with for the rest of your life.
So I think it was.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
It was a very smart and correct choice for that
to still continue through her storyline for as long as
she was.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
On the show.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
And that's why in like in AA and stuff, you say,
like you say you introduce yourself, and you say, I
am an alcoholic no matter how long you've been sober.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
One of the lines that she says that I thought
was funny rewatching this as an adult was like, you know,
there's like the extreme nuance of some of the scenes
of this episode are like really multifaceted and like multi dimensional.
And then you get this one sort of scene where
she calls the rehab facility to check herself in and
she goes, hope you guys are good.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm sneaky.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, And I just thought that was funny because I
don't know that many alcoholics who like would have that
quick of a turnaround to be like, I do have
a really big problem and you guys better stay on me.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
I think the way that the way that they make
that work, and it's the it's the actress, it's it's
Sebi Rahu makes it work. But like they they sell
it because they we introduced her as the cool ant
and so because she was cool Aunt Julie, we get
it in that phone call, we get that glimpse of
cool ant. And and whenever she kind of sobers up,
(45:35):
like when she tries to manipulate Matt, there there's all
these moments where she kind of clicks back into cool ant,
and that's part of the manipulation but also what makes
her redeemable and likable as a character as far as
she can be in the episode.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And then she has Mary's makeover.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I love I love the turnaround with oh right
with with Mary, and.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
And that the very end, uh Simon asks if she's
all better, and she says no, but she's gonna she's
going to try to make some changes. And I thought
that was really probably a helpful way to tackle the right.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Answer yes, and it's also the honest answer yeah, because obviously,
like she is not all fixed at all. And and
I love that you're wearing the sweater, You're you put
on the Batman sweater.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
I give it her.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
We glazed over that, but we we kind of we
all return our gifts and anger and frustration and stuff.
And then so it's like, well maybe, but I really
liked it. It's probably still in there. I could go
get it back.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I love the thinking too, is like, well, when she
gave it to me, I liked her.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
I was still okay.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I like the part where she talks about getting happiest
butters like I was drunk when I got that.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Oh yeah, which is funny.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah that is funny.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, that's like the last that's like the end of
the episode.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, because it's all at the dinner, it's all when
we're I.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Remember I thought like, okay, too soon and Angelie.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
But again, it's it's that cool ant, very self aware
of humor. It's done.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
It's done well by Deborah who who kind of I
think does a great job at selling the cool ant
side of the coin so that these other extremes can
can take a rest, you know.
Speaker 7 (47:29):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
It was a very like when we shot the scene
of her in you you know, our action scene. It
was a tense set day. I remember being like kind
of scared of like, you know, the rage that she
had to show. It was.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
Yeah, scenes like that are always It.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Was a heavy day on set, heavy and intense.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Yeah, especially for how young we were. I mean, they
can only prepare you so much, because.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's still an adult that this close to your face screaming,
even if it's fake, Like, that's scary for a kid.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
Yeah, I mean, And all you can do as an
adult in that situation is like is go through the
rehearsal as many times as they let you with the
kid and say, Okay, I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Gonna yell at you. I'm not mad at you, though,
and I'm gonna be loud.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Is this okay?
Speaker 6 (48:20):
Can I be this loud and try to really baby
step the kids through it to keep them from taking
it personally or getting upset, like, yeah, to be.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
That person being the scary person, like when they cut
was she like it's okay?
Speaker 7 (48:33):
So yeah, totally, Like you know, yeah she was.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I just she was.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
And she's like literally like the nicest woman.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I know. Sadly she has passed so twenty twelve, I
didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Yes, sadly she is died of cancer leukemia.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah that's sad.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
Yeah, but she did a phenomenal job.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And this was an an intense, amazing episode And I'm
so grateful that you are here to dive into it
with us, because honestly, like, I think having the outside
perspective was very helpful and because it was intense, uh
and it was.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
Thank you for the guided tour.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Yeah, I think Seventh Heaven had the range. I think
this episode really proves that.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
Yeah, it did well.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
On that note, thank you so much for listening to
catching up with the Camdens and Caroline.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
You were so amazing. We would love to have.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
You back to explore another episode if you'd be willing.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I would love nothing more. My gosh, so fun.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
So if you guys want to catch another episode with
us and Caroline where we will dive.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Into another episode of Seventh Heaven, thanks for watching. Make
sure to like subscribe and do all the things.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And that's it. Oh yeah what yeah? So so here's
the word from our spot, Sir Maker's Mark oh Man
(50:14):
HM
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