January 20, 2025 • 54 mins
Bev, David and Mack sit down to express their feelings after rewatching one of the highlight episodes from 7th Heaven, Season 1: The Color of God.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh she was.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
She was trying to like come up with like a
knock knock joke or like a you know, a kind
of like what was her thing? Like what she asked,
like what do you drink when you're when you whine?
And she's like, you drink wine and she like didn't
like she didn't understand like like the call the call
(00:24):
answer kind of structure or whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So then I'm like trying to teach her like do.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You ever have your kids like tell the truth? Like
do you tell your kids when they're not funny?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah? I let her know. I don't want I don't
want my kid to think she's funny. She's not funny.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think some people think that I'm mean, But like
Kenzie and Hutton have told me jokes and I'm like, Kenjie,
that's not funny, and then Hutton will come with one
that is funny. Oh my god, that was great, and Kenji's.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Like, you're not funny's funny, like you're that you're you know,
you're authentic, Like no, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
A hyper critical Well, I mean we're.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Criticism, but it's it's different, like I don't it's not
that I don't want my kid to be funny.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I want to be that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I want my kid to be funny. So I want
her to under I want what she's trying to do.
When when my kid was trying to figure out how
to tell jokes, she was I could tell because she
was trying to make up her own jokes.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, so she was trying.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To figure out not just how to tell a joke,
but how jokes work. And she and she would I
could see her trying to like work it out, like
how to be funny, not why I think you know
what I mean? Like and so uh so she would
she would tell me a bad joke and I'd be like, no, dude,
it doesn't work, like it's not uh that's not really funny.
And then and then I'd try to explain to her
(01:43):
why it's not funny. And then I spent a few
days with her in the car like trying to explain
to her like the anatomy of jokes, like how how
you'm a punchline where like set a setup and a
knockdown kind of a thing exactly. But then she would
get mad, she like doubled downs. So then we were
like we would be in a public place and she'd
be like, Papa, watch this, and then she'd tell her
(02:04):
bad joke to someone else who would like politely laugh
at her, and then she'd look at me and like,
see it is funny, and I'm like, they're.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Lying to you.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I would say right in front of them, and
the person would be like, you know what I mean,
like like shop that. I was like calling them out
in front of my kid, and I'm like, they're lying
to you. You're not funny, dude. You gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We're got to work on it. So I bought her.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like a dad joke book, Like, I took her to
Barnes and Noble and we went joke book shopping so
that she could.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Like study like silly little jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And the reason why I went for a dad joke
book is because it's the simplest structure of joke. It's silly,
it's straightforward, it's kind of easy. So then yeah, so
then she started kind of like and that was how
we we did that. So she has her little joke
book that she like references and sometimes she comes out
with a good one, Like she'll find a good one
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in there and hit us with it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's good it's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I do have to say that like of my kids,
like Hutton is definitely the one who like he's got
the timing, he's got his little raspy voice, and he
can come out with some really good ones. And then
Kenzie tries so hard and every time I'm like crickets
and I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Like, I can't wait to get like it. And I think.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Mazie's just gonna come out like I mean, I don't
know that one.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I have no idea what's going to come out of
her mouth.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Get her a joke book.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't even think I need to. I think that
she's gonna We're gonna be the butt of her jokes
for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Well, just watching all of you, I.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Know she's going to be so good. But I mean,
I'm glad we had this conversation all about jokes and fun.
But maybe we should intro and get into a very
special episode of seventh teven.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Well, there is actually a running joke the whole episode
with everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh yes, there is a joke. Actually, Well, I'll do
the intro. Hey, guys, welcome back to catching up with
the Campdens. I am Beverly Mitchell I'm David Gallagher, I'm
Kenzie Rosmin and today we are rewatching episode five of
season one, which is The Color of God. This was Wow.
(04:11):
There's so much to unpack out of this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, so much.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's one of my favorites though in the sense that,
like we went for the Fences, man.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It was a huge episode for us in its day.
Like at the time, it was a really impactful episode.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I remember it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It was controversial, like you know, in its time, but
like looking back on the show as a whole, there's
some cringe and there's some stuff that doesn't age great,
and there's a lot of that stuff. But man, the
powerful like solidarity messaging in this episode is something to
be proud.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Of, I think absolutely. I mean, we were dealing with
a huge subject. We were dealing with racism, and we
you know, what I found so oppressive was how we
were able to reach the subject of racism for every
one of the kids. So we were able to have
(05:09):
conversations at every age level that was age appropriate, and
that allowed a conversation that is uncomfortable, but in a
way that opens up a dialogue. And I think that's
what our show was so good at was opening up.
And that's what Brenda was brilliant. Brenda was brilliant about
(05:34):
using this platform to have conversations that no one wanted
to have, but create these opportunities for families to talk
about things and for people who might have been on
one side to start understanding the other side. Like it was,
it was, there was always two sides to it.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So, I mean, it's we said it before, but this
is like, this is one of the peak examples of
like strong progressive messaging wrapped in conservative family values. And
like the episode watching it fresh, I mean, so much
of it I had disassociated from or forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's been so long since I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But watching it since nineteen ninety six, It's.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Been since the nineties since I've seen it, And like
I was both like kind of shocked and also proud
of how bold a stance we took in the episode
and just what a great job everybody did.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I know, I agree, and so maybe we should dive in.
I mean, I think the episode starts with actually a
funny joke, that's true, A prank actually is more of
a prank.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
A prank, yeah, a prank which is apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Which is which is an old school prank, pure mischief.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's adorable, no, yes, and I but what I also
love is the ongoing opportunity to use this rank to
cut tension or frustration like it was always it was
always utilized to bring people together.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It was actually what united us was this like silly, which,
by the way, I might try on my kids. Like
I definitely m I'm definitely going to do the butter trick.
Let's put some salt on butter and see if it
heats up, and my kids might get smashed. I just
gotta figure out whiche I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
My kid's gonna fall for it, but she's going to
be mad after she falls for it because she knows
she should know better.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But like we start off the episode where Matt is
playing the prank on Mary and it kind of course
it also goes age related, it goes down.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It goes down, which is a cute family trope.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But I love that the prank is set up right
away because the real payoff for the prank is to
cut like you said, to cut tension later, right, and
so setting it off going down the chain and then
where it ends, I think is a great payoff.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So we start off kind of in the kitchen with
the tension. We're all being Campden's starting starting just like
we normally would.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And I'm mad that you missed I'm mad about.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I'm always mad about something. Oh, I'm oh because I
felt left out though, because I was out with Happy
because apparently I.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Were like outside, he didn't know breakfast time, and I was.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Really mad, which, by the way I lived, I would
be mad if somebody did not feed me. So let's
just but any of the.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Like, well, sorry you missed it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They said, like, I'll make you breakfast.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It will take two seconds, and you're like, first of all,
it's not ready right now.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I don't want Eric to make me pancakes. We don't
know how good his food is.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Any other established in this episode that he's terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But then we go to Simon and Ruthie who are
watching TV and you.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Have do you know what that cartoon was? I was
wondering whether that was like an actual No.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think they had access because we were WB.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think they had access to like old WB cartoons,
and I think that's where they pulled all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
If I had to guess that's.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That way, and then you have the big discovery that
sets off the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Right, So I start channel surfing, which makes which makes
you dizzy, which is something I hear at home and
uh and and I find the news story that the
the the Hamilton church has been burned down.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, which and the Hamilton's are a family very much
like the Camdens, Yes, with similar age children and a
very very close family.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
To Eric and Morgan went to seminary too.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They went to Seminary together. We've been family friends for
a long time. And they were targeted because they're black,
and the black community church was targeted as a way
of trying to drive that community down, or drive them away,
or intimidate them.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so and we had incredible actors. We had Dorian Harewood,
we had Olivia Brown, chas Lamar Shepherd, Gabrielle Union some
people might know her, Camille Wynn Bush and David and
they were so good and it was so fun having
(10:23):
them on set.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Every time they came, and they came on the set
all the time. We had them back many times over
and they were family. I remember being so excited when
I knew that Nedder was going to be back on
set because like me and him got along famous.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You were best best.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I haven't I haven't spoken to him in so long.
I just I'd love to see him again. Man, we
gotta we gotta see.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We might have to get we might have to get
him on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
He was he was my boy. We were we were,
we were tight. It was great.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So, you know, the show launches into basically this huge
heavy weight of like trying to also be there for
them and their community and support the Hamilton's. And there's
a while Reverend Hamilton is on the news. He has
a very strong messaging and a beautiful statement saying you
(11:17):
cannot hate, you cannot fight hate with hate, and even
if the criminals are caught, we still have their teachers
out there. And I think that that was like such
a very strong message and it resonates.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What it does what I think is interesting and what's
hard to do, is it it rationalizes the idea that
you can't fight hate with hate.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It gives you the reason why.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, and because this is something that you hear and
it sounds like a throwaway statement that doesn't have any weight,
like you can't fight hate with hates, like he be
statement or something, but they contextualize it and they say, like,
you know, even if we stop these people, the people
who taught them to hate are still around. And so
you have to find a better way to combat hatred
(12:05):
that actually diffuses it, that teaches people that it's wrong
and not just stops the people who act on their hatred,
but it gets to the hearts of people who have
it in them.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And I think that this episode is a perfect example
of being able to reach those people. That's what this show.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's what we were doing. What we're trying to do, yeah,
is kind of reach those people where you can allow
them to see something a little bit differently than how
they may have been raised. Because also that's the other
hard part is like a lot of this is generational.
This is like coming from generation after generation. So you
have to find the break and where you can break
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that generational thought process.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And this cuts right into our show's greatest strength when
it comes to social messaging is that you can attack
a subject like this from every age group. Because we
had all of the kids going up, you know, you
had your teenagers, your preteens, we had the little ones.
(13:14):
We had the you know, almost the young adults and
the adults, and so every age group got to react
uniquely from their life experience perspective, Like the young kids
contextualize it so differently than the adults do.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so that is.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's where our show, that's what we were really good
at and how the writers really understood that strength from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
So then when we come back, we have the Hamilton
family is at the house and and you see that
just the different levels and the different dynamics between it's
mostly older kids. There's a lot of tension.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, because you guys, there's a big difference between.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, well there, well we have the younger said, and
the older said, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I meant I meant what I'm what I was going
to say is like, the younger kids are getting along great.
You guys are having a blast. Yeah, the older kids,
you can cut the tension with a knife.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yes, we do not we are.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Awkward or uncomfortable. I think Lucy, Mary and Matt.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Are they know how they should be with each other.
Where Lucy apologizes numerous times and she's like, I'm sorry
about your church. She's like, you've said that's the third
time you've said that, right, And Mary is just like,
I mean, it's so awkward that eventually you're not even
there for a couple of minutes before you just decide
to leave the room and matc walks out and he's like,
I'll be back soon, maybe, I guess, And then they
(14:47):
cut immediately to the little kids who are just like
oblivious to the fact that they that there could be
a reason for tension.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, I think it's a perfect example too of how
the innocence yes, yeah, and how as the preteens, well
we fully.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Us exposure to people justifying reasons.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
To well, I think because you didn't, I don't think.
I mean it felt like to as the as being
part of that. And I just even remember being in
the scene just like it was even it was uncomfortable
even acting in it because even though I we loved it,
because I it's an uncomfortable conversation, it's an uncomfortable subject.
Everything's uncomfortable even when you're acting it because you don't
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feel that way, and you but you're afraid of like
anything being misinterpreted. And I think what was a beautiful
about all of this is to start to unravel and
see how they are each side of them, and like
how how the the Hamilton's felt, how we felt, and
(15:56):
then how we all come together. And but I just
absolutely loved the parison with the teenagers versus the kids
because I loved the innocence and I loved the complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Basically, yeah, yeah, there's so there's there's so many layers
to it. Honestly, First of all, it's the message of
you can't fight hate with hate is not preachy in
the episode, which would be like the first easy criticism
to kind of throw at it like flippantly. It's not
preachy at all, because we we show some of the
(16:30):
Hamilton family angry, they're mad, they're dealing with their hate.
So there's and and and that causes all this tension.
The older kids they can contextualize this socially, They can
contextualize this in their own lives.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
They feel personally attacked.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They have that justifiable like hatred in them, and they're
trying to deal with it, and they're dealing with it
like well and not well, you know what I mean,
Like they're they're they're having that struggle, whereas the younger
kids are playing and it's not that they're oblivious to
the hatred, it's that they don't have that social context
(17:07):
to take it out on their environment, like they they like,
that's it's this hatred that Yeah, so they like, I'm
hanging out with my friends, so we're going to play
and have a good time, and and you know there's outside,
there are these other problems, and so they have more
of a separation, a contextual separation. The older kids have
(17:27):
more experience with that hatred personally, and so they're dealing
with the hate and so that the layers to that
to dealing with this message is strong and I think
it's it's it's noticeable, it's well done.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah, definite.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All right, well I think we will be right back. Okay,
and we're back.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I again, I love that we continue the better trick
because we start to see it like kind of trickle down,
and I actually like, I loved that. It was the opportunity.
The butter trick was actually what helped me connect with
gabriel with Gabrielle, with Keisha, because Lucy's kind of this
nervous Nelly that keeps apologizing for everything, doesn't stand up
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and then finally like I do it on you. I
use it on Simon because Simon won't pick up his
toys and was like, you were you were kind of assassin.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Me, and so Simon, Simon knows better. Yeah, it didn't work,
And this is this is what I'd expect from my kids.
Like Simon knows better, but he like kind of he
wants to see what everyone's talking about. So all right, fine,
and then when he gets tricked, he's just like.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And you wipe it on your pants, wipe it on your.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Wipe it on my pants, which is perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But I love it was that it changed the relationship
between her and Keisha, and all of a sudden there
was this sisterhood where she like she was standing up
for me where Mary had kind of been ignoring me.
And so that's where Lucy's and it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Was Mary's turn to feel left out sort of as well.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, that's the start of it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, I love too.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
The difference I'll say quickly about your your stuff in
this is that the.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
The Lucy Mary dynamic.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You guys are close in age, and so you can
always like get two sides of the coin with you too, right,
and so you are so empathetic that you just don't
know what to say, and it's almost like paralyzing how
empathetic your character is, whereas Mary's more the kind of
character who's like, well, it had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Do with me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't feel like that, that's not that's not who
I ask, that's not who I am, So I don't
like I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Which both are appropriate in their own way.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But to watch you guys find the kind of the
middle way that has the that has the empathy that
reaches out, but with the confidence to know that that's
not who you.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Are, right totally. So that's where you guys are trying
to That's fun.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's a great it's a great little juxtaposition between the
two characters.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, and I just I love the wisdom that we get.
I actually love that most of the wisdom comes from
the kids, it comes from Nigel, because it's absolutely and
I think we actually like wrap up the first act
with well, first.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Off, Nigel's prayer, his prayer, Yes, his prayer, and then
they when they come back, it's about I think it's
Annie in her walk or was that before then?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, yeah, but yeah, it's in that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
There's a wonderful there's a wonderful scene with the two
moms on their walk talking about their personal lives.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Being a partner to someone who is the support person
for so many other people and sort of the isolation.
I feel like that they each must feel and and
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
How and how to be strong Hamilton so not you.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Know, apparently Morgan is not a talking man and Eric
is the complete opposite. And there's also a really cute
scene later on where she's like, you know, Eric forces
everyone to talk and she's in a corner and he
tries it and she's just like out of there. Uh.
He's like, oh, I wanted to talk with you, and
she's like no, which is cute.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
It's a great scene with it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And also Annie and on the joke and Nanny's just
laughing and.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
She's and Eric's just like oblivious.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, Catherine firing on all cylinders these first episodes. Man,
I've really enjoyed. As we rewatched the first season, I
just got to say again, I've totally enjoyed Catherine's work
through the first season so far.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's been so stellar.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, she's just the perfect So.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Then we I know, it really is and uh. And
and we wrap up our dinner scene. We're all having
dinner together. There's all of the tension and and Nigel
has his short and sustaining.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But I what I do love though, actually is not
just Nigel's prayer, but I love that it's uh, Eric
asks Simon to give the prayer, and you so brilliantly,
like and sweetly just are like, no, no, and I give
it up to your buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And and there was something also just about that offering
of someone else in your in our house and you're like, no, no, no,
you're our guests like it. There was more to it
than you just letting him have the process.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
There's some acknowledgment that Nigel would probably have something more
to say in the moment.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, and it's uh yeah, it's and.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Then from the little kid table too, Yeah, yeah, Burton
versus the head of the big table.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I love the little kid table by the way.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, the big family dinner with the separate little kid
table the best.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yes, yeah, I still try to say it at that table.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
What does say is Nigel.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Nigel says his prayer, which is just dear God, please
please stop the fires. And it's it has that that innocence,
but it cuts with a knife straight to the point.
And uh so it's a great it's a great moment
and uh and you know, and Netdter does an excellent
job of just matter of factly hitting you with with
(23:31):
that sentiment.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Simple, simple. And so then when we come back, we
have Annie and Patricia and then in the kitchen and
they're talking about rebuilding the church and apparently there's an
emergency fund and Eric is, you know, they're going to
give them a percentage of of the money from the
emergency fund, and it's basically all that they need to read.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's all of it.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
And she's like, well, you know, that's what it's there for,
and which is exactly It's exactly right, and it's it's
so appropriate. Yeah, it's the sweetest, most correct thing.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I think, absolutely excellent show of like community and solarity,
exactly excellent.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, and I love you know when they're when they're
in the church and you see we split the congregation
and you know, like they're sharing it in the church.
I'm splitting it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But yeah, I very specifically noted to myself because when
I saw the wide shot in the church, I went
did we split the con is it a left and
right congregation.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
All blooded together?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But which is.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like like well done the right way to do it,
like to not, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I didn't mean to say like we split it. I
mean that shared Like I thought that was really.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Really you know, it's excellent because not only do we
it's it's also a setup because community, we share our
church with them and in the end they share theirs
with us.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Yeah, it was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And then we have this beautiful hairstyle that can get
pass which.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Were tell us about how that felt the.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Braids, which I those hurt, Like that was painful. I
just remember having the worst headache and it took I
have very thick hair. It took hours hours. I just remember.
I think I was in the chair for like five hours.
And I just remember being like, like I appreciate the
(25:28):
beautiful braids. I just like anyone who has those braids,
I'm like, you are amazing, Like that is incredible. Like there,
it's just that was.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
My scalp also got fried. I during that.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Time, how did it get fried?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Being outside? Well, because you're because your raids, so your
scalp is excessive, and so you just get destroyed. I
had to wear those for a week. It looked like
I had been electrocuted. When we pulled those out. I
have a picture. I literally my hair was like yeah,
because the braids were so tight.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, they got to be you had you had.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I feel like, I think it gets more comfortable after
they grow out a little bit and then it's not
as tight. I also have to say I only had
them on for a week. That never happened.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Oh god, it was awful. But I do remember also,
I think because Keisha is so sweet and is like,
you know, just I'm like her sister, and she just
like brought me into the mix, and I.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Think that was really it was like Lucy never felt
more accepted at that point.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think, I know it's and then we we go
to we all go to school and you have a very.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So then we get into the school yard where this
is I think really probably Simon's first big iconic kind
of moment. I mean, I'm not trying to be like
it's iconic, but like it was one of my first
like seriously heavy moments that kind of reverberated through the
shows where we have we're in the schoolyard playing Nigel
and I. We have a bunch of other kids playing
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with us. We're all playing with my toys and we're
having We're playing like war or guns or like you know,
soldiers or what any of those kind of pretend play
things that that young boys do, that I did when
I was little, and and that that is really common.
And Nigel is killed in the game, and then Simon
(27:21):
comes in.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Simon comes in.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
With the revive He's got the revive action and he
revives Nigel's character, which which angers some other kid who
who then does something that you just don't would not
catch on on TV these days, I don't think at all,
which is he he drops an end bomb, not even
(27:44):
at Nigel directly, but at Simon for being friends with Nigel,
which suddenly contextualizes that hate for Simon, who gets instantly
heated and demands in ay and and is and you
could see that he's seething over it. And Nigel comes
(28:06):
to Simon's side and he says, I don't want to
mess it up, but he says something like you can't
fight ignorance with violence, and.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The wise Nigel so wise.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The wisdom of that statement coming from Nigel is not
surprising given Nigel's character, but like, but the context of it,
because throughout this episode, Nigel and I have been playing war,
We've been having this pretend play violent game, and and
he still has the state of mind to separate like
(28:43):
the violent play from from the violent reality, right and
that and that you know, uh, that this is not
a game, that this is real life, and you can't
you can't react with anger and with hatred with violence,
and Simon succumbs to that anger and and punch is
this kid and knocks him down in one punch, one
(29:05):
one amazing this kid and uh and and then is
like suspended over it or or something like that from
the school and uh.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And so Simon fails in that moment too to listen
to Nigel's wisdom.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Which is which is also great because again, if the
show is trying to be extra preachy about it, then
then we would all be in the right position preaching
and nobody would make a mistake. But Simon takes the
bait and and reacts with his anger and violence, which
is exactly what they're trying to say we shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But I also love too, is that like when we
when we all find out what has happened, and when
Eric and Annie find out, there is part of them
where they know that they need to discipline you. But
there's also as a parent, there's this pride in the
fact that you were so passionate and you stood up
(30:03):
for your friends and defensive. So though the action was
not what they.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Wanted, action was still wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Their reaction motive, the motive was sincere and the emotion
behind it, and I think that there was.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like but that's the nuance that makes me love the episode,
and that keeps it from being preachy in my opinion,
because they're saying, yeah, I am kind of proud of him,
but we have to punish him because he didn't do
the right thing and our standards are better than that
we have we you don't react with violence, and so
I love that nuance to the episode. I think that's
(30:43):
what makes it, That's what helps it age the right way.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Why do you think Nigel's said that he didn't know
where Simon was when they.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Go to protect well, because Simon's trying, he's trying to
prect he's protecting I.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I think he genuinely well, I mean I think he
genuinely wouldn't know because I got called to the office
and then.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
And then you go to your other classes.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, like he wasn't dragged at the office with me.
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I hit the kid. I got called to the office,
and he doesn't know what happened to me.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I thought he was protecting you.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I read it as he wouldn't know, Like he doesn't
give much context that we roll over it quickly, so
he just goes I don't know where he is. But
like in my head, you know, I would have gotten
dragged at the office without him and suspended, so he
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And that was actually a really good scene too, because
it also talks about like there was.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
School, who is like basically your license and registration please.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Who's basically profiling and like I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Know, no wonder but again, just another another angle to
hit this kind of the racism is the theme and
and and the uh and and contextualizing the experience that
that the Hamiltons have in the community with with that
underlying racism.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Well, and I love also to see the exact same
age groups and to see how differently we were being treated.
And I think like having that like so in your
face and and bringing up was like so strong, and
like again, I just this episode is so loaded. Yeah,
(32:21):
it is so loaded. And because it we don't we
hit on so many different ways that you're experiencing racism,
Like throughout the episode, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, there's it's a lot. It's a lot in a
in a you know, for an hour show something minutes,
we hit we we we attacked this subject from a
lot of angles, and there's a lot of pitfalls trying
to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And and like I said, I think the show, for
for what it is, did a really excellent job for
what it is for the time like to tackle this
and and kind of earnest on kind of way.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think we did a great job.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And by the way, you know Chaz, like what I remember,
like again, like the guest stars we're talking about, Gabrielle
Union and like and I don't have too many memories
of of them personally because I didn't work with them
a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
They worked with you guys more.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They were your friends, you know, And like, but what
I remember Chaz is he this guy has.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The like most beautiful, beautiful Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
This guy has a million dollar smile if you've ever
seen one like you. If this guy smiles at you,
you're in love. You're in love with this guy.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A little bit, and you're the one who brings it out.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And so we get there and I don't want to
ruin it.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But but what when I'm rewatching the episode, I forgot
that his character began on our show angry and upset
in the hot head and all this stuff, because all
I remember about him is just seeing one set and
he smiling and being like, wow, man, he got that.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
An incredible smile, like the smile that you have to say.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
It was just so warm, like and it was so
great though too, because I also, I mean, I think
we come back and we there's that moment in front
of the house with Matt and John and when like
John basically is like, what, you're afraid of me too?
(34:22):
And when when Matt finally says it's like, no, I'm
not afraid of you. I'm just like, you have an
attitude I'm afraid of, like because I never know if
you're going to go off. And it was this realization
of like what the heaviness that he had been carrying
and what he was presenting to the world that he
was unknowingly doing. He wasn't aware that that's the way
(34:44):
he was coming across and it I love that. That
goes right into the dinner scene in which Matt calls.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Ruthie but like go get your sister and he's like
real they and then like please.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Which if you have a big family, you better say.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's exactly what we meant, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And it's that adorable moment.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
It was cute and I had forgotten about that obviously.
So I'm watching, like the the butter gag, you know,
make its way down the levels, and I'm like, oh,
Ruthie saw somebody else. So is Ruthie going to get
a chance to get someone, you know, because she like
witnessed Frank but I was. I didn't remember that it
was made, but it was really.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No And so it makes its way down the family. Yeah,
it gets to you, and then you turn around and
and and pull off the joke on the Now I'm
going to try that family.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Which is the I think the most beautiful part about that.
It's like the payoff, Like you said at the beginning,
the payoff is when it brings it to John and
we get to see his beautiful smile.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It is, it's a it's a million dollar pa it is.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And on that note, we did forget something, but but
we'll get into that after breaking. Now that we're back,
we should talk about this wonderful moment that we forgot,
which Moon kind of qualifies as a stunt. Also with that,
(36:17):
but right, what was that? What do you mean? It's
your dancing? Oh Lucy displays some unreal dance moves.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And she apparently before before you defend yourself, there's no defending.
I want to say that doing scenes like this sucks,
like a dance and like they're not playing any music.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Clarify that there is never any music.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I mean I could tell there was no music.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Someone behind the camera goes and dance and then fifty
people stare at you wait because they're hungry and they
want lunch, and.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
You have to like it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well also nothing and then they put whatever they clear
over it, and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Can we also be.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Please can we also hold please? I am dancing with
Gabrielle union totally.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
How victory for.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Gabrielle not for me? Huh, well, I'm dancing with Gabrielle.
How do I compare.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
If I'm dancing with Gabrielle Union, the victory is mine.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I'm saying, how do you compete with someone who is
like phenomenal, who has got incredible dance moves, and then
like I couldn't be more awkward and strange and uncomfortable.
So Gabrielle, by the for your character, Gabrielle looked amazing
and she like, even though there was no music, she
looked at like she had rhythm style and then there
(37:57):
she does me, none of which infiltrated my body at all.
I looked like an awkward Gerbil No.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
A long hair, don't okay. So the other part about
that scene too is that Mary's all pissed off because
like you know, she's really pissed off because she isn't included,
but she's like at using, Oh, I want to I
don't want to wait until Sunday. And I just studied
for my test on Mary. When was Mary like such
a student?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
She's not?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I know, yes, weak.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I will say.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
About the dancing that Gabrielle Unions gracefully did not leave
you hanging. And what is what I thought was cute
about it is that you guys aren't just dancing. She's
not leaving you hanging out there to dance awkwardly. You
guys are dancing together. You guys are doing little butt
bumps and like yeah, and that.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Stuff was cute.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So you guys had that moment together and I didn't
feel like you were kind of thrown out to the
wolves by yourself to like hip hop dance.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But you know, you know what's crazy is Gabrielle. I've
seen Gabrielle a lot recently, and it's always We actually
ran into each other Halloween and so we did not dance,
and she did not bring up my awful dance black
pair of rhythm. She might now, but you know, it
(39:23):
is so funny because it's also fun to see relationships
that started in nineteen ninety six and still exists. And
whenever I see her, she's like absolutely freaking lovely and
amazing and wonderful, which is so fun.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
This is actually just reminded me, I don't know why,
about the basketball scene too, where remember like going back
to like that Mary and Chaz are playing basketball together
and he just like doesn't let her win at all. Yeah,
she's actually really good, but his like, what do you
think we just go play basketball after church and.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Then he has like bad skills.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I just I just remember in all like basketball
was a big thing. Everybody did love playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
On the idea of basketball. I guess I didn't even
bother utterly unathletic, So that.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Was really cute.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Though. I also think like what's great is like kind
of an act three. We start to see like all
the walls come down. Everyone's like kind of opening up.
You see Matt and John are finally like friendly because
they've broken through.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, the ice has been broken between.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Them and they've been in the house.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
For like three days, right, really thanks to Ruthy totally absolutely.
And then Morgan and Patricia are now like communicating, which
was a big one because Eric and Annie kind of
broke help broker that conversation. I love that, like Annie thinks,
like a great date I would be seen like excellent. Yeah,
(41:02):
I was like, what that's like so brand so on
brand that, Like Annie's like let's go to dinner in
a movie.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
No, let's go to see don't have to deal with
the customers, Like it's sears am.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I the only one like like Sean and I all
the time are like, oh man, let's.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You want to go to home depot and look at
the plants.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And we're like, let's I forgot you guys love plants.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
We're yeah, we've become very planty.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But like but like that to us, like you know,
like running routine, like like running an errand running errands
together is like enjoy.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah you have one, you know, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Still we're a small team, but like you know, like
running errands is something we look forward to and try
to make fun and like enjoy.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
So I related to the like let's go on to
Sears for our data.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We need a new lawnmower or whatever like that That
landed for me as a parent.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
No, it's cute. And then I also love that finally,
the Kisha and Mary moment because I think that when
Keisha basically like they kind of broke right, break the ice,
and Keisha finally says like, like, what's your problem with me?
And it's and it's she thought it was because that
(42:19):
Mary was uncomfortable with her, and the reality is like
Mary's just jealous that now all of a sudden, her
little sister, who was annoying and used to like follow
her around like a lost puppy, has found a new.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
One else to admire exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, and Keisha genuinely thinking like, oh, well, you didn't
treat her very well, so I thought I was getting
her out of your way, so she thought she was
giving her doing a favor. And so it's this like moment,
but I do love it. In Camden fashion, they quickly
solve it with a hug. It's like they address it
and then we hug. I was like, that is so camp.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Just an excellent way to end a disagreement.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, I'm just saying it's they wrapped up real quickly.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, you know, you gotta do it. Yeah, we got commercial.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
So another interesting take. And and again that kind of
plays into I think the the nuance of the writing
that's that's done really well in the episode is that
when when Gabrielle is talking to Jess and they're they're
having that moment where she says, you know, I think
you're being standoffish because you don't want me to think
(43:25):
that you're racist or that that's prejudice, which is the
language that they use. And she's kind of ahead of
the curve in the sense that she she knows and
she says, I know you're not like that, but she
the tension is there in that very relatable way where
Mary doesn't know how to kind of be an ally
(43:46):
and not and not seem like she's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
So she just distances herself.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Which is the verse of which is.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
The opposite of what's going on between the brothers, the
older brothers. And so they do a great job again
of attacking that that dynamic from from two different sides.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
No, it was beautifully done, and it also was perfect
for the characters. It was like pinpointed for Yeah, each.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
On that note, we're going to take another break. So
here's my favorite moment of the show is when Mary
and Lucy and Kisha are all talking and She's saying,
and I'm really sorry that they burned a church town.
It was sort of implying that they weren't able to
(44:38):
worship because they had no building, and Keisha comes in saying,
you know, a roof just keeps the rain off of
our heads line, And I think that was like just
one of the most like really hit home for me,
because you know, you can make a lot of excuses
for why you can't do something, but the truth is
is you don't really you don't really need material things
(45:00):
things for love and community and you can. All you
need really is your heart and your intention. It just
it hit home for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I love how some of these moments that hit like
that are so like straight to the point.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, and shortness. Literally they really have a kind.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Of a a poignancy that is, uh, that's that's strong
in the episode.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I love also that you and Camille kind of start
the like I love you and start setting.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
And I love single every single character like everyone. Yeah. Absolutely,
And it's so cute, Like it kind of reminds me
of something my daughter does too. So when we when
we leave the house, we're driving down the butt where
she says goodbye, you know, the dogs will start with
the buy Homer, Maggie, buy the dogs by house, bye bye. Everything.
(45:54):
She'll say goodbye to like individual blades of grass.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's so and it's I love And it's also it's
very funny that like when you say I love you
to Lucy and Mary and Keisha, that Keisha calls out like,
oh my god, I feel like we're at the Waltons.
And then of course Lucy and the one that's clueless says,
but where and then Keisha's like, I know, I know
you're you know, the Waltons aren't black, and that it
(46:21):
was like but it was what was nice was being
able to play with that moment and like also kind
of have that exhale where like Lucy realizes that she
just inserted her foot in her mouth and then everyone's
just like all right, let it go, like it's fine,
and there was h and then we go move on
(46:43):
to you saying.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I don't know, I don't think you put your foot
in your mouth. Like it capstones, you're like your lessons
about about.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
The the the uh.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Just awareness, Yeah, like your your whole like you're kind
of lessons about the man instead, you know, Like it
caps that that gag off in a way that is
funny because everybody's you know, and we.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Did seem like the Waltons for everyone who knows the Waltons, which.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, we come from that family show legacy.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
So it's a kind of joke the Brady Bunch comparison.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
It's a meta joke. I'm low key proud of us
for that.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean, there's a lot of low key proud moments
that we're coming through.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It's a good I mean, I really do think that
it's I.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Just want to say that I think on all of
our behalves, like there was a part of us that
we're a little nervous about this rewatch part because like
some of it, like diving back in was a little scary,
to be honest, and I'm actually very much enjoying it
and very proud of all of us.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, I just so enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Like you know, I was so young that like there
was a level you know, I wasn't really aware of
full of the storylines that were going on. But I
just love when the Hamilton family came over because we
had like kids age to play with for months. It
was I had a score them of two kids in
it and not one.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Fine when people came didn't get a lot, you had
a lot of friends. You didn't have as many guest
stars as well.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
When you and Jesse shared a school room, so you
always had someone else to be.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I always had someone to fight with because they were.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
The closest in like you know, case you guys haven't
know what we're yes, closest because I am a Jesse yes, yeah,
but and we fought.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
We didn't see the Hamilton's d as much during the
later seasons, and I wish that.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Because Gabrielle Union became a big, big star.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Also, before we get out of here, the nineties vibes
checked our sleepover style of two kids, same bed, opposite directions.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, how about that.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
I saw that. I was like, yeah, that's those are
the sleepover vibes.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I gave my bed at all. But I also want
to like a serious on a serious note, to wrap
up this episode, which I thought was amazing, is when
Reverend Hamilton decides not to take the offer to come
(49:16):
back to the Camden Church, but to actually have church
on the grounds and and to show that no matter
that the building may have burned down, but the congregation stands,
and having everyone there, and then having our church come
(49:37):
to participate and be there in support. And then also
seeing which I didn't ever notice, but seeing what the
extras is showing all different kinds of religions and showing
the entire community. And this wasn't about religion, it was
about community.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's a moment that that could have been really cliche,
but but they didn't dwell on it. They just they
just showed that the Muslim leaders came in support the
Jewish leaders came in support, the Christian leaders came and
support the you know, the white community and the black
community came together. We all came to support the black
community of of the show. And and UH and and
(50:19):
have UH and and sell have ceremony with them in
their space. And I, you know again, I think it's
a really strong, so strong ending to the episode with
with the message of solidarity and and how he starts
the end the episode with the beginning of his sermon
where he takes from Nigel's prayer.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, and I stopped the fires.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I remember that song. I remember that choir all the
fly away. Yes, I it went on and again it's
it's things that like haven't been triggered or activated and
so long. But the moment that first like bar went,
I was like, I remember this so clearly.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, the way they sort of panned out at the
end of the very last shot, I sort of expected.
It was like it was implying almost that like the
person who burned the church down was going to see this,
like in a weird way, I kind of expected that.
I don't know why. Maybe I'm probably the only one,
but I'm like, like they did it in a way
that like if only the person could see that, like
they may have burned the building down, but they really
(51:27):
didn't destroy anything. And I guess just the way they
shot it, I kept thinking, like you were going to
see someone. I did, because there was this like.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
That's the Bucky and the rebsite.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
Maybe this episode that's a different show.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
But yeah, I'm like, that's Bucky and Rep.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:49):
But anyways, but I but it was.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I did think that what was nice is the last
few seconds of the episode are that beautiful pan and
it just kind of like it just allows it's almost
like it's a silence for you to kind of understand
the whole episode.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
It was a brilliant episode. It was It was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
And I got to say before we end that the
last shot of Reverend Hamilton, he goes up for his sermon,
he has the burned stained glass behind like excellent cinematography,
like really really strong imagery and MVP award, I was
going to say absolutely to to Reverend Hamilton. The introduction
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of the Hamilton family as a whole is it is
a huge moment for our show because they were so
integral to our extended family on the series and having
them be introduced with in such a strong way, with
a strong message with with you know, with the community
and turmoil and coming together the solidarity.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I was really proud of it.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah. And oh, by the way, that episode was directed
by Bert Brinkerhoff. I have heard that name for a while, right,
that's right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Who was our producer that his first episode?
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Uh? Well, it's crazy. I feel like we're only on
episode five and I felt like this is already like
season five and we're only on episode five. I mean,
this is going to be a long, a long journey. Guys,
It's going to be a long road.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Remember that, Remember that worst case scenario game where like
you're on that annoying road trip.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
Sorry, guys, you're on that road trip with me.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
So the Nineties Fashion Award, who's it between?
Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's between you and you?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Which a version?
Speaker 3 (53:47):
Braided, the braided version.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
With against two against against nobody?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You absolutely get the Nineties Fashion Awards for your braids.
I don't know how else we could do that.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
What I mean, you also have to like my wardrobe
forgettable also was was definitely a different choice for Lucy.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
That's why you get the Nineties Fashion Award, the award
and take your award.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Thank the people.
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Those were cute too.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Overalls, I loved my dickies. Okay, well I think that
wraps up this episode. So thank you guys so much
for listening to us. This is catching up with the Camden's.
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Oh she was.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
She was trying to like come up with like a
knock knock joke or like a you know, a kind
of like what was her thing? Like what she asked,
like what do you drink when you're when you whine?
And she's like, you drink wine and she like didn't
like she didn't understand like like the call the call
(00:24):
answer kind of structure or whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So then I'm like trying to teach her like do.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You ever have your kids like tell the truth? Like
do you tell your kids when they're not funny?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah? I let her know. I don't want I don't
want my kid to think she's funny. She's not funny.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think some people think that I'm mean, But like
Kenzie and Hutton have told me jokes and I'm like, Kenjie,
that's not funny, and then Hutton will come with one
that is funny. Oh my god, that was great, and Kenji's.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Like, you're not funny's funny, like you're that you're you know,
you're authentic, Like no, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
A hyper critical Well, I mean we're.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Criticism, but it's it's different, like I don't it's not
that I don't want my kid to be funny.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I want to be that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I want my kid to be funny. So I want
her to under I want what she's trying to do.
When when my kid was trying to figure out how
to tell jokes, she was I could tell because she
was trying to make up her own jokes.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, so she was trying.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To figure out not just how to tell a joke,
but how jokes work. And she and she would I
could see her trying to like work it out, like
how to be funny, not why I think you know
what I mean? Like and so uh so she would
she would tell me a bad joke and I'd be like, no, dude,
it doesn't work, like it's not uh that's not really funny.
And then and then I'd try to explain to her
(01:43):
why it's not funny. And then I spent a few
days with her in the car like trying to explain
to her like the anatomy of jokes, like how how
you'm a punchline where like set a setup and a
knockdown kind of a thing exactly. But then she would
get mad, she like doubled downs. So then we were
like we would be in a public place and she'd
be like, Papa, watch this, and then she'd tell her
(02:04):
bad joke to someone else who would like politely laugh
at her, and then she'd look at me and like,
see it is funny, and I'm like, they're.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Lying to you.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I would say right in front of them, and
the person would be like, you know what I mean,
like like shop that. I was like calling them out
in front of my kid, and I'm like, they're lying
to you. You're not funny, dude. You gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We're got to work on it. So I bought her.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like a dad joke book, Like, I took her to
Barnes and Noble and we went joke book shopping so
that she could.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Like study like silly little jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And the reason why I went for a dad joke
book is because it's the simplest structure of joke. It's silly,
it's straightforward, it's kind of easy. So then yeah, so
then she started kind of like and that was how
we we did that. So she has her little joke
book that she like references and sometimes she comes out
with a good one, Like she'll find a good one
(02:56):
in there and hit us with it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's good it's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I do have to say that like of my kids,
like Hutton is definitely the one who like he's got
the timing, he's got his little raspy voice, and he
can come out with some really good ones. And then
Kenzie tries so hard and every time I'm like crickets
and I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Like, I can't wait to get like it. And I think.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Mazie's just gonna come out like I mean, I don't
know that one.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I have no idea what's going to come out of
her mouth.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Get her a joke book.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't even think I need to. I think that
she's gonna We're gonna be the butt of her jokes
for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Well, just watching all of you, I.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Know she's going to be so good. But I mean,
I'm glad we had this conversation all about jokes and fun.
But maybe we should intro and get into a very
special episode of seventh teven.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Well, there is actually a running joke the whole episode
with everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh yes, there is a joke. Actually, Well, I'll do
the intro. Hey, guys, welcome back to catching up with
the Campdens. I am Beverly Mitchell I'm David Gallagher, I'm
Kenzie Rosmin and today we are rewatching episode five of
season one, which is The Color of God. This was Wow.
(04:11):
There's so much to unpack out of this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, so much.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's one of my favorites though in the sense that,
like we went for the Fences, man.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It was a huge episode for us in its day.
Like at the time, it was a really impactful episode.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I remember it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It was controversial, like you know, in its time, but
like looking back on the show as a whole, there's
some cringe and there's some stuff that doesn't age great,
and there's a lot of that stuff. But man, the
powerful like solidarity messaging in this episode is something to
be proud.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Of, I think absolutely. I mean, we were dealing with
a huge subject. We were dealing with racism, and we
you know, what I found so oppressive was how we
were able to reach the subject of racism for every
one of the kids. So we were able to have
(05:09):
conversations at every age level that was age appropriate, and
that allowed a conversation that is uncomfortable, but in a
way that opens up a dialogue. And I think that's
what our show was so good at was opening up.
And that's what Brenda was brilliant. Brenda was brilliant about
(05:34):
using this platform to have conversations that no one wanted
to have, but create these opportunities for families to talk
about things and for people who might have been on
one side to start understanding the other side. Like it was,
it was, there was always two sides to it.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So, I mean, it's we said it before, but this
is like, this is one of the peak examples of
like strong progressive messaging wrapped in conservative family values. And
like the episode watching it fresh, I mean, so much
of it I had disassociated from or forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's been so long since I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But watching it since nineteen ninety six, It's.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Been since the nineties since I've seen it, And like
I was both like kind of shocked and also proud
of how bold a stance we took in the episode
and just what a great job everybody did.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I know, I agree, and so maybe we should dive in.
I mean, I think the episode starts with actually a
funny joke, that's true, A prank actually is more of
a prank.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
A prank, yeah, a prank which is apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Which is which is an old school prank, pure mischief.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's adorable, no, yes, and I but what I also
love is the ongoing opportunity to use this rank to
cut tension or frustration like it was always it was
always utilized to bring people together.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It was actually what united us was this like silly, which,
by the way, I might try on my kids. Like
I definitely m I'm definitely going to do the butter trick.
Let's put some salt on butter and see if it
heats up, and my kids might get smashed. I just
gotta figure out whiche I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
My kid's gonna fall for it, but she's going to
be mad after she falls for it because she knows
she should know better.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But like we start off the episode where Matt is
playing the prank on Mary and it kind of course
it also goes age related, it goes down.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It goes down, which is a cute family trope.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But I love that the prank is set up right
away because the real payoff for the prank is to
cut like you said, to cut tension later, right, and
so setting it off going down the chain and then
where it ends, I think is a great payoff.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So we start off kind of in the kitchen with
the tension. We're all being Campden's starting starting just like
we normally would.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And I'm mad that you missed I'm mad about.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I'm always mad about something. Oh, I'm oh because I
felt left out though, because I was out with Happy
because apparently I.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Were like outside, he didn't know breakfast time, and I was.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Really mad, which, by the way I lived, I would
be mad if somebody did not feed me. So let's
just but any of the.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Like, well, sorry you missed it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They said, like, I'll make you breakfast.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It will take two seconds, and you're like, first of all,
it's not ready right now.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I don't want Eric to make me pancakes. We don't
know how good his food is.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Any other established in this episode that he's terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But then we go to Simon and Ruthie who are
watching TV and you.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Have do you know what that cartoon was? I was
wondering whether that was like an actual No.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think they had access because we were WB.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think they had access to like old WB cartoons,
and I think that's where they pulled all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
If I had to guess that's.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That way, and then you have the big discovery that
sets off the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Right, So I start channel surfing, which makes which makes
you dizzy, which is something I hear at home and
uh and and I find the news story that the
the the Hamilton church has been burned down.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, which and the Hamilton's are a family very much
like the Camdens, Yes, with similar age children and a
very very close family.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
To Eric and Morgan went to seminary too.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They went to Seminary together. We've been family friends for
a long time. And they were targeted because they're black,
and the black community church was targeted as a way
of trying to drive that community down, or drive them away,
or intimidate them.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so and we had incredible actors. We had Dorian Harewood,
we had Olivia Brown, chas Lamar Shepherd, Gabrielle Union some
people might know her, Camille Wynn Bush and David and
they were so good and it was so fun having
(10:23):
them on set.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Every time they came, and they came on the set
all the time. We had them back many times over
and they were family. I remember being so excited when
I knew that Nedder was going to be back on
set because like me and him got along famous.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You were best best.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I haven't I haven't spoken to him in so long.
I just I'd love to see him again. Man, we
gotta we gotta see.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We might have to get we might have to get
him on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
He was he was my boy. We were we were,
we were tight. It was great.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So, you know, the show launches into basically this huge
heavy weight of like trying to also be there for
them and their community and support the Hamilton's. And there's
a while Reverend Hamilton is on the news. He has
a very strong messaging and a beautiful statement saying you
(11:17):
cannot hate, you cannot fight hate with hate, and even
if the criminals are caught, we still have their teachers
out there. And I think that that was like such
a very strong message and it resonates.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What it does what I think is interesting and what's
hard to do, is it it rationalizes the idea that
you can't fight hate with hate.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It gives you the reason why.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, and because this is something that you hear and
it sounds like a throwaway statement that doesn't have any weight,
like you can't fight hate with hates, like he be
statement or something, but they contextualize it and they say, like,
you know, even if we stop these people, the people
who taught them to hate are still around. And so
you have to find a better way to combat hatred
(12:05):
that actually diffuses it, that teaches people that it's wrong
and not just stops the people who act on their hatred,
but it gets to the hearts of people who have
it in them.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And I think that this episode is a perfect example
of being able to reach those people. That's what this show.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's what we were doing. What we're trying to do, yeah,
is kind of reach those people where you can allow
them to see something a little bit differently than how
they may have been raised. Because also that's the other
hard part is like a lot of this is generational.
This is like coming from generation after generation. So you
have to find the break and where you can break
(12:47):
that generational thought process.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And this cuts right into our show's greatest strength when
it comes to social messaging is that you can attack
a subject like this from every age group. Because we
had all of the kids going up, you know, you
had your teenagers, your preteens, we had the little ones.
(13:14):
We had the you know, almost the young adults and
the adults, and so every age group got to react
uniquely from their life experience perspective, Like the young kids
contextualize it so differently than the adults do.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so that is.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's where our show, that's what we were really good
at and how the writers really understood that strength from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
So then when we come back, we have the Hamilton
family is at the house and and you see that
just the different levels and the different dynamics between it's
mostly older kids. There's a lot of tension.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, because you guys, there's a big difference between.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, well there, well we have the younger said, and
the older said, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I meant I meant what I'm what I was going
to say is like, the younger kids are getting along great.
You guys are having a blast. Yeah, the older kids,
you can cut the tension with a knife.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yes, we do not we are.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Awkward or uncomfortable. I think Lucy, Mary and Matt.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Are they know how they should be with each other.
Where Lucy apologizes numerous times and she's like, I'm sorry
about your church. She's like, you've said that's the third
time you've said that, right, And Mary is just like,
I mean, it's so awkward that eventually you're not even
there for a couple of minutes before you just decide
to leave the room and matc walks out and he's like,
I'll be back soon, maybe, I guess, And then they
(14:47):
cut immediately to the little kids who are just like
oblivious to the fact that they that there could be
a reason for tension.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, I think it's a perfect example too of how
the innocence yes, yeah, and how as the preteens, well
we fully.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Us exposure to people justifying reasons.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
To well, I think because you didn't, I don't think.
I mean it felt like to as the as being
part of that. And I just even remember being in
the scene just like it was even it was uncomfortable
even acting in it because even though I we loved it,
because I it's an uncomfortable conversation, it's an uncomfortable subject.
Everything's uncomfortable even when you're acting it because you don't
(15:34):
feel that way, and you but you're afraid of like
anything being misinterpreted. And I think what was a beautiful
about all of this is to start to unravel and
see how they are each side of them, and like
how how the the Hamilton's felt, how we felt, and
(15:56):
then how we all come together. And but I just
absolutely loved the parison with the teenagers versus the kids
because I loved the innocence and I loved the complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Basically, yeah, yeah, there's so there's there's so many layers
to it. Honestly, First of all, it's the message of
you can't fight hate with hate is not preachy in
the episode, which would be like the first easy criticism
to kind of throw at it like flippantly. It's not
preachy at all, because we we show some of the
(16:30):
Hamilton family angry, they're mad, they're dealing with their hate.
So there's and and and that causes all this tension.
The older kids they can contextualize this socially, They can
contextualize this in their own lives.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
They feel personally attacked.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
They have that justifiable like hatred in them, and they're
trying to deal with it, and they're dealing with it
like well and not well, you know what I mean,
Like they're they're they're having that struggle, whereas the younger
kids are playing and it's not that they're oblivious to
the hatred, it's that they don't have that social context
(17:07):
to take it out on their environment, like they they like,
that's it's this hatred that Yeah, so they like, I'm
hanging out with my friends, so we're going to play
and have a good time, and and you know there's outside,
there are these other problems, and so they have more
of a separation, a contextual separation. The older kids have
(17:27):
more experience with that hatred personally, and so they're dealing
with the hate and so that the layers to that
to dealing with this message is strong and I think
it's it's it's noticeable, it's well done.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah, definite.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All right, well I think we will be right back. Okay,
and we're back.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I again, I love that we continue the better trick
because we start to see it like kind of trickle down,
and I actually like, I loved that. It was the opportunity.
The butter trick was actually what helped me connect with
gabriel with Gabrielle, with Keisha, because Lucy's kind of this
nervous Nelly that keeps apologizing for everything, doesn't stand up
(18:16):
and then finally like I do it on you. I
use it on Simon because Simon won't pick up his
toys and was like, you were you were kind of assassin.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Me, and so Simon, Simon knows better. Yeah, it didn't work,
And this is this is what I'd expect from my kids.
Like Simon knows better, but he like kind of he
wants to see what everyone's talking about. So all right, fine,
and then when he gets tricked, he's just like.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And you wipe it on your pants, wipe it on your.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Wipe it on my pants, which is perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But I love it was that it changed the relationship
between her and Keisha, and all of a sudden there
was this sisterhood where she like she was standing up
for me where Mary had kind of been ignoring me.
And so that's where Lucy's and it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Was Mary's turn to feel left out sort of as well.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, that's the start of it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, I love too.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
The difference I'll say quickly about your your stuff in
this is that the.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
The Lucy Mary dynamic.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You guys are close in age, and so you can
always like get two sides of the coin with you too, right,
and so you are so empathetic that you just don't
know what to say, and it's almost like paralyzing how
empathetic your character is, whereas Mary's more the kind of
character who's like, well, it had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Do with me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't feel like that, that's not that's not who
I ask, that's not who I am, So I don't
like I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Which both are appropriate in their own way.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But to watch you guys find the kind of the
middle way that has the that has the empathy that
reaches out, but with the confidence to know that that's
not who you.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Are, right totally. So that's where you guys are trying
to That's fun.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's a great it's a great little juxtaposition between the
two characters.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, and I just I love the wisdom that we get.
I actually love that most of the wisdom comes from
the kids, it comes from Nigel, because it's absolutely and
I think we actually like wrap up the first act
with well, first.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Off, Nigel's prayer, his prayer, Yes, his prayer, and then
they when they come back, it's about I think it's
Annie in her walk or was that before then?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, yeah, but yeah, it's in that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
There's a wonderful there's a wonderful scene with the two
moms on their walk talking about their personal lives.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Being a partner to someone who is the support person
for so many other people and sort of the isolation.
I feel like that they each must feel and and
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
How and how to be strong Hamilton so not you.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Know, apparently Morgan is not a talking man and Eric
is the complete opposite. And there's also a really cute
scene later on where she's like, you know, Eric forces
everyone to talk and she's in a corner and he
tries it and she's just like out of there. Uh.
He's like, oh, I wanted to talk with you, and
she's like no, which is cute.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
It's a great scene with it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And also Annie and on the joke and Nanny's just
laughing and.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
She's and Eric's just like oblivious.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, Catherine firing on all cylinders these first episodes. Man,
I've really enjoyed. As we rewatched the first season, I
just got to say again, I've totally enjoyed Catherine's work
through the first season so far.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's been so stellar.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, she's just the perfect So.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Then we I know, it really is and uh. And
and we wrap up our dinner scene. We're all having
dinner together. There's all of the tension and and Nigel
has his short and sustaining.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But I what I do love though, actually is not
just Nigel's prayer, but I love that it's uh, Eric
asks Simon to give the prayer, and you so brilliantly,
like and sweetly just are like, no, no, and I give
it up to your buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And and there was something also just about that offering
of someone else in your in our house and you're like, no, no, no,
you're our guests like it. There was more to it
than you just letting him have the process.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
There's some acknowledgment that Nigel would probably have something more
to say in the moment.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, and it's uh yeah, it's and.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Then from the little kid table too, Yeah, yeah, Burton
versus the head of the big table.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I love the little kid table by the way.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, the big family dinner with the separate little kid
table the best.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yes, yeah, I still try to say it at that table.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
What does say is Nigel.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Nigel says his prayer, which is just dear God, please
please stop the fires. And it's it has that that innocence,
but it cuts with a knife straight to the point.
And uh so it's a great it's a great moment
and uh and you know, and Netdter does an excellent
job of just matter of factly hitting you with with
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that sentiment.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Simple, simple. And so then when we come back, we
have Annie and Patricia and then in the kitchen and
they're talking about rebuilding the church and apparently there's an
emergency fund and Eric is, you know, they're going to
give them a percentage of of the money from the
emergency fund, and it's basically all that they need to read.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's all of it.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
And she's like, well, you know, that's what it's there for,
and which is exactly It's exactly right, and it's it's
so appropriate. Yeah, it's the sweetest, most correct thing.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I think, absolutely excellent show of like community and solarity,
exactly excellent.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, and I love you know when they're when they're
in the church and you see we split the congregation
and you know, like they're sharing it in the church.
I'm splitting it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But yeah, I very specifically noted to myself because when
I saw the wide shot in the church, I went
did we split the con is it a left and
right congregation.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
All blooded together?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But which is.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like like well done the right way to do it,
like to not, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I didn't mean to say like we split it. I
mean that shared Like I thought that was really.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Really you know, it's excellent because not only do we
it's it's also a setup because community, we share our
church with them and in the end they share theirs
with us.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Yeah, it was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And then we have this beautiful hairstyle that can get
pass which.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Were tell us about how that felt the.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Braids, which I those hurt, Like that was painful. I
just remember having the worst headache and it took I
have very thick hair. It took hours hours. I just remember.
I think I was in the chair for like five hours.
And I just remember being like, like I appreciate the
(25:28):
beautiful braids. I just like anyone who has those braids,
I'm like, you are amazing, Like that is incredible. Like there,
it's just that was.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
My scalp also got fried. I during that.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Time, how did it get fried?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Being outside? Well, because you're because your raids, so your
scalp is excessive, and so you just get destroyed. I
had to wear those for a week. It looked like
I had been electrocuted. When we pulled those out. I
have a picture. I literally my hair was like yeah,
because the braids were so tight.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, they got to be you had you had.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I feel like, I think it gets more comfortable after
they grow out a little bit and then it's not
as tight. I also have to say I only had
them on for a week. That never happened.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Oh god, it was awful. But I do remember also,
I think because Keisha is so sweet and is like,
you know, just I'm like her sister, and she just
like brought me into the mix, and I.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Think that was really it was like Lucy never felt
more accepted at that point.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think, I know it's and then we we go
to we all go to school and you have a very.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So then we get into the school yard where this
is I think really probably Simon's first big iconic kind
of moment. I mean, I'm not trying to be like
it's iconic, but like it was one of my first
like seriously heavy moments that kind of reverberated through the
shows where we have we're in the schoolyard playing Nigel
and I. We have a bunch of other kids playing
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with us. We're all playing with my toys and we're
having We're playing like war or guns or like you know,
soldiers or what any of those kind of pretend play
things that that young boys do, that I did when
I was little, and and that that is really common.
And Nigel is killed in the game, and then Simon
(27:21):
comes in.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Simon comes in.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
With the revive He's got the revive action and he
revives Nigel's character, which which angers some other kid who
who then does something that you just don't would not
catch on on TV these days, I don't think at all,
which is he he drops an end bomb, not even
(27:44):
at Nigel directly, but at Simon for being friends with Nigel,
which suddenly contextualizes that hate for Simon, who gets instantly
heated and demands in ay and and is and you
could see that he's seething over it. And Nigel comes
(28:06):
to Simon's side and he says, I don't want to
mess it up, but he says something like you can't
fight ignorance with violence, and.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The wise Nigel so wise.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The wisdom of that statement coming from Nigel is not
surprising given Nigel's character, but like, but the context of it,
because throughout this episode, Nigel and I have been playing war,
We've been having this pretend play violent game, and and
he still has the state of mind to separate like
(28:43):
the violent play from from the violent reality, right and
that and that you know, uh, that this is not
a game, that this is real life, and you can't
you can't react with anger and with hatred with violence,
and Simon succumbs to that anger and and punch is
this kid and knocks him down in one punch, one
(29:05):
one amazing this kid and uh and and then is
like suspended over it or or something like that from
the school and uh.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And so Simon fails in that moment too to listen
to Nigel's wisdom.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Which is which is also great because again, if the
show is trying to be extra preachy about it, then
then we would all be in the right position preaching
and nobody would make a mistake. But Simon takes the
bait and and reacts with his anger and violence, which
is exactly what they're trying to say we shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But I also love too, is that like when we
when we all find out what has happened, and when
Eric and Annie find out, there is part of them
where they know that they need to discipline you. But
there's also as a parent, there's this pride in the
fact that you were so passionate and you stood up
(30:03):
for your friends and defensive. So though the action was
not what they.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Wanted, action was still wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Their reaction motive, the motive was sincere and the emotion
behind it, and I think that there was.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like but that's the nuance that makes me love the episode,
and that keeps it from being preachy in my opinion,
because they're saying, yeah, I am kind of proud of him,
but we have to punish him because he didn't do
the right thing and our standards are better than that
we have we you don't react with violence, and so
I love that nuance to the episode. I think that's
(30:43):
what makes it, That's what helps it age the right way.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Why do you think Nigel's said that he didn't know
where Simon was when they.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Go to protect well, because Simon's trying, he's trying to
prect he's protecting I.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I think he genuinely well, I mean I think he
genuinely wouldn't know because I got called to the office
and then.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
And then you go to your other classes.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, like he wasn't dragged at the office with me.
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I hit the kid. I got called to the office,
and he doesn't know what happened to me.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I thought he was protecting you.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I read it as he wouldn't know, Like he doesn't
give much context that we roll over it quickly, so
he just goes I don't know where he is. But
like in my head, you know, I would have gotten
dragged at the office without him and suspended, so he
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And that was actually a really good scene too, because
it also talks about like there was.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
School, who is like basically your license and registration please.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Who's basically profiling and like I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Know, no wonder but again, just another another angle to
hit this kind of the racism is the theme and
and and the uh and and contextualizing the experience that
that the Hamiltons have in the community with with that
underlying racism.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Well, and I love also to see the exact same
age groups and to see how differently we were being treated.
And I think like having that like so in your
face and and bringing up was like so strong, and
like again, I just this episode is so loaded. Yeah,
(32:21):
it is so loaded. And because it we don't we
hit on so many different ways that you're experiencing racism,
Like throughout the episode, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, there's it's a lot. It's a lot in a
in a you know, for an hour show something minutes,
we hit we we we attacked this subject from a
lot of angles, and there's a lot of pitfalls trying
to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And and like I said, I think the show, for
for what it is, did a really excellent job for
what it is for the time like to tackle this
and and kind of earnest on kind of way.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think we did a great job.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And by the way, you know Chaz, like what I remember,
like again, like the guest stars we're talking about, Gabrielle
Union and like and I don't have too many memories
of of them personally because I didn't work with them
a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
They worked with you guys more.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They were your friends, you know, And like, but what
I remember Chaz is he this guy has.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The like most beautiful, beautiful Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
This guy has a million dollar smile if you've ever
seen one like you. If this guy smiles at you,
you're in love. You're in love with this guy.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A little bit, and you're the one who brings it out.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And so we get there and I don't want to
ruin it.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But but what when I'm rewatching the episode, I forgot
that his character began on our show angry and upset
in the hot head and all this stuff, because all
I remember about him is just seeing one set and
he smiling and being like, wow, man, he got that.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
An incredible smile, like the smile that you have to say.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
It was just so warm, like and it was so
great though too, because I also, I mean, I think
we come back and we there's that moment in front
of the house with Matt and John and when like
John basically is like, what, you're afraid of me too?
(34:22):
And when when Matt finally says it's like, no, I'm
not afraid of you. I'm just like, you have an
attitude I'm afraid of, like because I never know if
you're going to go off. And it was this realization
of like what the heaviness that he had been carrying
and what he was presenting to the world that he
was unknowingly doing. He wasn't aware that that's the way
(34:44):
he was coming across and it I love that. That
goes right into the dinner scene in which Matt calls.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Ruthie but like go get your sister and he's like
real they and then like please.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Which if you have a big family, you better say.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's exactly what we meant, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And it's that adorable moment.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
It was cute and I had forgotten about that obviously.
So I'm watching, like the the butter gag, you know,
make its way down the levels, and I'm like, oh,
Ruthie saw somebody else. So is Ruthie going to get
a chance to get someone, you know, because she like
witnessed Frank but I was. I didn't remember that it
was made, but it was really.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No And so it makes its way down the family. Yeah,
it gets to you, and then you turn around and
and and pull off the joke on the Now I'm
going to try that family.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Which is the I think the most beautiful part about that.
It's like the payoff, Like you said at the beginning,
the payoff is when it brings it to John and
we get to see his beautiful smile.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It is, it's a it's a million dollar pa it is.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And on that note, we did forget something, but but
we'll get into that after breaking. Now that we're back,
we should talk about this wonderful moment that we forgot,
which Moon kind of qualifies as a stunt. Also with that,
(36:17):
but right, what was that? What do you mean? It's
your dancing? Oh Lucy displays some unreal dance moves.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And she apparently before before you defend yourself, there's no defending.
I want to say that doing scenes like this sucks,
like a dance and like they're not playing any music.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Clarify that there is never any music.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I mean I could tell there was no music.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Someone behind the camera goes and dance and then fifty
people stare at you wait because they're hungry and they
want lunch, and.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
You have to like it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well also nothing and then they put whatever they clear
over it, and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Can we also be.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Please can we also hold please? I am dancing with
Gabrielle union totally.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
How victory for.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Gabrielle not for me? Huh, well, I'm dancing with Gabrielle.
How do I compare.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
If I'm dancing with Gabrielle Union, the victory is mine.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I'm saying, how do you compete with someone who is
like phenomenal, who has got incredible dance moves, and then
like I couldn't be more awkward and strange and uncomfortable.
So Gabrielle, by the for your character, Gabrielle looked amazing
and she like, even though there was no music, she
looked at like she had rhythm style and then there
(37:57):
she does me, none of which infiltrated my body at all.
I looked like an awkward Gerbil No.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
A long hair, don't okay. So the other part about
that scene too is that Mary's all pissed off because
like you know, she's really pissed off because she isn't included,
but she's like at using, Oh, I want to I
don't want to wait until Sunday. And I just studied
for my test on Mary. When was Mary like such
a student?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
She's not?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I know, yes, weak.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I will say.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
About the dancing that Gabrielle Unions gracefully did not leave
you hanging. And what is what I thought was cute
about it is that you guys aren't just dancing. She's
not leaving you hanging out there to dance awkwardly. You
guys are dancing together. You guys are doing little butt
bumps and like yeah, and that.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Stuff was cute.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So you guys had that moment together and I didn't
feel like you were kind of thrown out to the
wolves by yourself to like hip hop dance.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But you know, you know what's crazy is Gabrielle. I've
seen Gabrielle a lot recently, and it's always We actually
ran into each other Halloween and so we did not dance,
and she did not bring up my awful dance black
pair of rhythm. She might now, but you know, it
(39:23):
is so funny because it's also fun to see relationships
that started in nineteen ninety six and still exists. And
whenever I see her, she's like absolutely freaking lovely and
amazing and wonderful, which is so fun.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
This is actually just reminded me, I don't know why,
about the basketball scene too, where remember like going back
to like that Mary and Chaz are playing basketball together
and he just like doesn't let her win at all. Yeah,
she's actually really good, but his like, what do you
think we just go play basketball after church and.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Then he has like bad skills.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I just I just remember in all like basketball
was a big thing. Everybody did love playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
On the idea of basketball. I guess I didn't even
bother utterly unathletic, So that.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Was really cute.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Though. I also think like what's great is like kind
of an act three. We start to see like all
the walls come down. Everyone's like kind of opening up.
You see Matt and John are finally like friendly because
they've broken through.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, the ice has been broken between.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Them and they've been in the house.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
For like three days, right, really thanks to Ruthy totally absolutely.
And then Morgan and Patricia are now like communicating, which
was a big one because Eric and Annie kind of
broke help broker that conversation. I love that, like Annie thinks,
like a great date I would be seen like excellent. Yeah,
(41:02):
I was like, what that's like so brand so on
brand that, Like Annie's like let's go to dinner in
a movie.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
No, let's go to see don't have to deal with
the customers, Like it's sears am.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I the only one like like Sean and I all
the time are like, oh man, let's.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You want to go to home depot and look at
the plants.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And we're like, let's I forgot you guys love plants.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
We're yeah, we've become very planty.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But like but like that to us, like you know,
like running routine, like like running an errand running errands
together is like enjoy.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah you have one, you know, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Still we're a small team, but like you know, like
running errands is something we look forward to and try
to make fun and like enjoy.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
So I related to the like let's go on to
Sears for our data.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We need a new lawnmower or whatever like that That
landed for me as a parent.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
No, it's cute. And then I also love that finally,
the Kisha and Mary moment because I think that when
Keisha basically like they kind of broke right, break the ice,
and Keisha finally says like, like, what's your problem with me?
And it's and it's she thought it was because that
(42:19):
Mary was uncomfortable with her, and the reality is like
Mary's just jealous that now all of a sudden, her
little sister, who was annoying and used to like follow
her around like a lost puppy, has found a new.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
One else to admire exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, and Keisha genuinely thinking like, oh, well, you didn't
treat her very well, so I thought I was getting
her out of your way, so she thought she was
giving her doing a favor. And so it's this like moment,
but I do love it. In Camden fashion, they quickly
solve it with a hug. It's like they address it
and then we hug. I was like, that is so camp.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Just an excellent way to end a disagreement.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, I'm just saying it's they wrapped up real quickly.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, you know, you gotta do it. Yeah, we got commercial.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
So another interesting take. And and again that kind of
plays into I think the the nuance of the writing
that's that's done really well in the episode is that
when when Gabrielle is talking to Jess and they're they're
having that moment where she says, you know, I think
you're being standoffish because you don't want me to think
(43:25):
that you're racist or that that's prejudice, which is the
language that they use. And she's kind of ahead of
the curve in the sense that she she knows and
she says, I know you're not like that, but she
the tension is there in that very relatable way where
Mary doesn't know how to kind of be an ally
(43:46):
and not and not seem like she's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
So she just distances herself.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Which is the verse of which is.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
The opposite of what's going on between the brothers, the
older brothers. And so they do a great job again
of attacking that that dynamic from from two different sides.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
No, it was beautifully done, and it also was perfect
for the characters. It was like pinpointed for Yeah, each.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
On that note, we're going to take another break. So
here's my favorite moment of the show is when Mary
and Lucy and Kisha are all talking and She's saying,
and I'm really sorry that they burned a church town.
It was sort of implying that they weren't able to
(44:38):
worship because they had no building, and Keisha comes in saying,
you know, a roof just keeps the rain off of
our heads line, And I think that was like just
one of the most like really hit home for me,
because you know, you can make a lot of excuses
for why you can't do something, but the truth is
is you don't really you don't really need material things
(45:00):
things for love and community and you can. All you
need really is your heart and your intention. It just
it hit home for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I love how some of these moments that hit like
that are so like straight to the point.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, and shortness. Literally they really have a kind.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Of a a poignancy that is, uh, that's that's strong
in the episode.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I love also that you and Camille kind of start
the like I love you and start setting.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
And I love single every single character like everyone. Yeah. Absolutely,
And it's so cute, Like it kind of reminds me
of something my daughter does too. So when we when
we leave the house, we're driving down the butt where
she says goodbye, you know, the dogs will start with
the buy Homer, Maggie, buy the dogs by house, bye bye. Everything.
(45:54):
She'll say goodbye to like individual blades of grass.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's so and it's I love And it's also it's
very funny that like when you say I love you
to Lucy and Mary and Keisha, that Keisha calls out like,
oh my god, I feel like we're at the Waltons.
And then of course Lucy and the one that's clueless says,
but where and then Keisha's like, I know, I know
you're you know, the Waltons aren't black, and that it
(46:21):
was like but it was what was nice was being
able to play with that moment and like also kind
of have that exhale where like Lucy realizes that she
just inserted her foot in her mouth and then everyone's
just like all right, let it go, like it's fine,
and there was h and then we go move on
(46:43):
to you saying.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I don't know, I don't think you put your foot
in your mouth. Like it capstones, you're like your lessons
about about.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
The the the uh.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Just awareness, Yeah, like your your whole like you're kind
of lessons about the man instead, you know, Like it
caps that that gag off in a way that is
funny because everybody's you know, and we.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Did seem like the Waltons for everyone who knows the Waltons, which.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, we come from that family show legacy.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
So it's a kind of joke the Brady Bunch comparison.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
It's a meta joke. I'm low key proud of us
for that.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean, there's a lot of low key proud moments
that we're coming through.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It's a good I mean, I really do think that
it's I.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Just want to say that I think on all of
our behalves, like there was a part of us that
we're a little nervous about this rewatch part because like
some of it, like diving back in was a little scary,
to be honest, and I'm actually very much enjoying it
and very proud of all of us.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, I just so enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Like you know, I was so young that like there
was a level you know, I wasn't really aware of
full of the storylines that were going on. But I
just love when the Hamilton family came over because we
had like kids age to play with for months. It
was I had a score them of two kids in
it and not one.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Fine when people came didn't get a lot, you had
a lot of friends. You didn't have as many guest
stars as well.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
When you and Jesse shared a school room, so you
always had someone else to be.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I always had someone to fight with because they were.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
The closest in like you know, case you guys haven't
know what we're yes, closest because I am a Jesse yes, yeah,
but and we fought.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
We didn't see the Hamilton's d as much during the
later seasons, and I wish that.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Because Gabrielle Union became a big, big star.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Also, before we get out of here, the nineties vibes
checked our sleepover style of two kids, same bed, opposite directions.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, how about that.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
I saw that. I was like, yeah, that's those are
the sleepover vibes.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I gave my bed at all. But I also want
to like a serious on a serious note, to wrap
up this episode, which I thought was amazing, is when
Reverend Hamilton decides not to take the offer to come
(49:16):
back to the Camden Church, but to actually have church
on the grounds and and to show that no matter
that the building may have burned down, but the congregation stands,
and having everyone there, and then having our church come
(49:37):
to participate and be there in support. And then also
seeing which I didn't ever notice, but seeing what the
extras is showing all different kinds of religions and showing
the entire community. And this wasn't about religion, it was
about community.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's a moment that that could have been really cliche,
but but they didn't dwell on it. They just they
just showed that the Muslim leaders came in support the
Jewish leaders came in support, the Christian leaders came and
support the you know, the white community and the black
community came together. We all came to support the black
community of of the show. And and UH and and
(50:19):
have UH and and sell have ceremony with them in
their space. And I, you know again, I think it's
a really strong, so strong ending to the episode with
with the message of solidarity and and how he starts
the end the episode with the beginning of his sermon
where he takes from Nigel's prayer.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, and I stopped the fires.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I remember that song. I remember that choir all the
fly away. Yes, I it went on and again it's
it's things that like haven't been triggered or activated and
so long. But the moment that first like bar went,
I was like, I remember this so clearly.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, the way they sort of panned out at the
end of the very last shot, I sort of expected.
It was like it was implying almost that like the
person who burned the church down was going to see this,
like in a weird way, I kind of expected that.
I don't know why. Maybe I'm probably the only one,
but I'm like, like they did it in a way
that like if only the person could see that, like
they may have burned the building down, but they really
(51:27):
didn't destroy anything. And I guess just the way they
shot it, I kept thinking, like you were going to
see someone. I did, because there was this like.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
That's the Bucky and the rebsite.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
Maybe this episode that's a different show.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
But yeah, I'm like, that's Bucky and Rep.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:49):
But anyways, but I but it was.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I did think that what was nice is the last
few seconds of the episode are that beautiful pan and
it just kind of like it just allows it's almost
like it's a silence for you to kind of understand
the whole episode.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
It was a brilliant episode. It was It was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
And I got to say before we end that the
last shot of Reverend Hamilton, he goes up for his sermon,
he has the burned stained glass behind like excellent cinematography,
like really really strong imagery and MVP award, I was
going to say absolutely to to Reverend Hamilton. The introduction
(52:32):
of the Hamilton family as a whole is it is
a huge moment for our show because they were so
integral to our extended family on the series and having
them be introduced with in such a strong way, with
a strong message with with you know, with the community
and turmoil and coming together the solidarity.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I was really proud of it.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah. And oh, by the way, that episode was directed
by Bert Brinkerhoff. I have heard that name for a while, right,
that's right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Who was our producer that his first episode?
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Uh? Well, it's crazy. I feel like we're only on
episode five and I felt like this is already like
season five and we're only on episode five. I mean,
this is going to be a long, a long journey. Guys,
It's going to be a long road.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Remember that, Remember that worst case scenario game where like
you're on that annoying road trip.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
Sorry, guys, you're on that road trip with me.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
So the Nineties Fashion Award, who's it between?
Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's between you and you?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Which a version?
Speaker 3 (53:47):
Braided, the braided version.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
With against two against against nobody?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You absolutely get the Nineties Fashion Awards for your braids.
I don't know how else we could do that.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
What I mean, you also have to like my wardrobe
forgettable also was was definitely a different choice for Lucy.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
That's why you get the Nineties Fashion Award, the award
and take your award.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Thank the people.
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Those were cute too.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Overalls, I loved my dickies. Okay, well I think that
wraps up this episode. So thank you guys so much
for listening to us. This is catching up with the Camden's.
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Speaker 5 (54:32):
All the things, that's all the things nothing at.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
All, and make sure to follow us to stay tuned
for future episodes. We'll see you next time. Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
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