REWATCH with Rob Anderson

Comedian, host and 7th Heaven fan, Rob Anderson @heartthrobert joins the pod to break down season 1 episode, "What Will People Say?" With Rob's hot takes, this is a rewatch you don't want to miss!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm freaking out.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Stop, I'm we're freaking out.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Is going to wait for so long? Today?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I don't. It's also because you're exhausted, but we're so excited.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I actually just got all my energy back to earlier.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
What did you do earlier?

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I shoot the show for Fox. It's an online show
where we go through all of their like the Masked
Singer Special Forces, all of their reality shows so are
so bad, like Name Name that tune is the dumbest
show on earth. They're literally like bump bump bomb and
then they're like audiences like, oh my god, will they
guess the tune is? I'm like, who cares? Who cares?

(00:33):
But Fox lets us. It's got a great production team
on this. They let us just kind of rip into
some of these shows. We don't make fun of the
show in a way where we don't want people to
watch it. The contestants that make stupid choices.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
We making fun of the show makes people want to
watch it. It makes it fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
They know. I think people are I think some people
are just bored. I think people who are visiting l
A walk down the Hollywood Boulevard and they go, I
want to see a show and everyone's like, I'd love
to see a Hollywood show and it's like name that
they don't know. They just want to see, you know. Yeah,
special Forces in the Mass Singer. They have some good
ones that are really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Special Forces were fun. They they did it good this season.
I actually watched and it was.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
That was pretty costumes freaked me out. Yeah, that was scary.
I could have nightmares.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
A popular show.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's popular.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's my least favorite to talk about though. Actually now
they think about it because it's the same thing every time.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, like you know what, you don't know who it
is and you're like, oh and now we.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Found out and they're saying who is They're like, who
do you think it is? And I'm like, I don't
know and they're like, she was on a Disney show
ten years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
I'm like, okay, really narrow.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
But that's what That's why I'm here this week. I
come once a month to shoot that shows. The YouTube
show do you normally based? I'm in New York and cool, yeah,
but when I when I came and visited from New
York was shooting that again. I live in New Jersey.
I'm sorry for New Jersey Okay, Jersey Shore, So that's
like where I grew up. But I did live in
LA for three years. I'm from New York. I'm from Queens. Really,

(02:06):
they grew up in Queens.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I grew up there, and I moved the year I
got seventh Heaven was the year my family like moved
out to LA.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
So did they move out because you got it? Or
were you going to auditions? You?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Like?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
So where I was at my career then, I was
I had done like Phenomenon, I'd done some movies, I
was up the previous pilot season. I'd booked a pilot
that didn't go so, like, I was kind of working
a lot at the time, and my family was like,
we're going to do it, We're going to go. So
we just kind of like moved out to LA and
and I booked.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You booked like the most successful yeah for ten years. Yeah. Wow,
that's amazing it paid off. Yeah. I mean I like
about how people probably do that and then it doesn't
work out, but you know, like at least they gave
it a shot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, moved out for pilot season in LA.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Auditioning.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, I have fell into acting, like sort of an accident,
but my family had moved here because my dad got
a job out here at an engineering plant.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh really.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I had a friend in kindergarten who was taking acting classes,
and then I tagged along one day and it was like,
guy sticks his head out of window.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It is so wild to see you as an adult.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sometimes as well to see myself as so should be
for you, Like don't you look in the mirrors and
daze and you're like, she's an adult, right for all
of us?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Get you?

Speaker 6 (03:39):
No, no, no, no, okay, We're gonna let somebody else
take it for.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
A job.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
We're gonna start all over again.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'm so professional.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hey everybody, welcome back to catching up with the Camdens
of David Gallagher.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
What's up.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm McKenzie Roseman.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I'm Beverly I.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
We have a very special guest and we're so excited
is here.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's me Rob Anderson, Kadian author fan of Seventh Heaven.
Yes you thank you for having me, Thanks coming, Yes,
thank you for coming to hang out with this.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
You're like a celebrity. We're so excited for you to
be here with us.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Crazy to hear that from you.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
All, because I have been fully entertained by all of
your recaps of our show. I mean, I mean not
even on our show, just like all the nineties shows,
because there's so many good ones there are.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It was a wild time. It was.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, so what was that big for you?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean, I well, when I first started posting these
recaps on Seventh Heaven, I'm like, I don't think. I
didn't even know if y'all would see these things. But
Beth reached out to me pretty soon on and was like,
I love these more more more, you know, like drag
us and I was like, oh yeah. And then we
made a little video together. Was that that was by

(05:01):
like calabashis right, like yeah, yeah, right before I was
going on tour, I had like five hours, I got
an Airbnb and we made our little Video's.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
Now looking back was like a very it was there
was it was interesting how we kind of like connected
the dot.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You like, meet me at an Airbnb, this is the address.
I'm like, sure, right, drive on over. I've never met
you before, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was actually like kind of a creaky. It was
like you had to go down a dirt road. It
was like go down a dirt road, make a left,
don't park there go further and.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
It was like not paved, and go up, go up
the staircase, and don't worry, It'll all be fine.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was perfect. Oh my god, we had so much fun.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
It was a blast because actually I don't know, you
guys probably didn't see.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It, but it was very fun.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You did, I did.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yes, you were my therapist.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
You were laying on a couch shying about all the
traumas of being it's me.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
You have to explain this to I missed it.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Sorry, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
We wanted wanted to take all of the what happens
to Lucy now so much like if all of these
real things, all these things happened in the show, like
she must be really traumatized, so obviously she needs a therapist. Yeah,
but it all rooted down to your mom smoked pot
of course. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
And actually now there's we got a nineties con, David.
We all got a shirt.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I actually fine with me.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yea, yeah that I smoke.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
It was Barry who got it first, who I think
started it.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Then I got this because I felt left out.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We all we all went and got it. There was
like a merch space and it said I smoked pot
and we all ended up wearing around the kanya.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It was funny. It's it's something that people quote to
me all the time. I was not on obviously other show.
You were like, hey, I smoked pot to me, Like
it's the most like conic line ever. Yeah, oh, totally.
In public, people be like I smoke pot to me,
like that so much is infiltrated the culture. Nice.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, well we we've we've been having fun kind of
we It took us a while to like really dive
into the actual watching of the show.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
If pot was such a dangerous drug on Seventh Heaven, Like,
why didn't Annie's life fall apart more than it did? Like,
obviously she smoked pot and was fine and had a family,
you know, Like why that's not consistent exactly? You know,
Anne smoke pot. She should be living in the streets.
She didn't. Did she go to rehab? Maybe it was good?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't know, you know, I think she did it
once the pot she did it. Yeah, she didn't Inhale, Right,
she didn't Inhale.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, that must be it. Yeah, so glad in her
life recovered from that.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Seriously, she almost went off the deep end. Yeah, I'm
smoking pop. She was one smoke slash away.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm glad that the Reverend could look past that blip
in her past.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
He kind of didn't. For a minute. He looked at
her like he was betrayed. I love how this isn't
even the episode, but I can't wait for that one. Well.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
In catching up with the Camden, we yeah, we're a
little scattered here on the discouch, we get a little,
we get a.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Little circle back a lot. We just like saying recircling that.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think you should all get high for the I
Smoke Pot episode. Yes, I'm just saying I didn't say
on what I didn't say on what if it's a
red bullet? You know, if it's caffeine, it's caffeine, but
it doesn't have to be. But maybe maybe every other episode.
Are you all high now? Actually, as you know, I

(08:43):
won't ask forgot it.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
But we we were going to dive into an episode
and so, uh, the episode is episode.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Eight, I believe, episode eight, which is called what will
People Say?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
What?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, I think it's a question. So it's what will
people say?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, that's that's the perform that's what we needed. Yeah,
and what.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
What will they say, I don't what we we got
to dive in because.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yes, that's I mean, that's the big age. Does she
like me?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
That's his thing?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh, that's his thing.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, the episode I did.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I just was trying to follow you the place. I'm
just like, which direction are we going?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
That we start with Eric, right, It starts with with
Eric rescuing. Uh, yes, Abby, No, it starts with us
getting picked up from school, right, and then we we
end up we find Eric.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes, we catch him.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Oh yeah, I was in the front seat and I
got kicked to the back seat because of you know what.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
First before, we're gonna have to circle back. Let's take
a break real quick, and we'll come right back when
we figure out what he is about.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
You know, and we could serve about.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
We're so excited to get something together and like it is,
it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Congrats, It's all.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I kind of need to She forces, Well.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
I know, I feel like sometimes I come across as bossy.
I'm not trying to be a bossie. I'm just trying
to keep us going.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh you know, it's a good quality, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's a great I have to call David like a
was I do?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Was I do oh no, otherwise you know, nothing will
happen if you don't drive it.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah. Well yeah, have you met my crowd?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I tell her all the time, like Bev, we wouldn't
trade you. You gotta do it, Go ahead and do it,
do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And we're back.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
So we're going to actually start on the episode.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Now, Okay, let's do it all right? What will people say?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
What will people?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Will people say?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
So we're getting picked up from school, yes, and the
family is gathering in the car, and we drive off
from school and we go down the street and conveniently
just in time to see.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
To see Garrett with another woman.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
But also, can we just talk about the station wagon
where we had three and three wagon? No, just remember
how it's like it's three people in the front, three
people on the back, like it.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Was like remember the suspension on those station wagons.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I never had one. I was never in a station one.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, wed you go over a speed bomb and you
just keep like bouncing for the next mile.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Was it the same station wagon for the whole show?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yes, No, it crashed it. No, it was the same
station wagon until we crashed it and then station wagon
was no longer.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Did Mary crashing we have.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
In it.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
This is not this episode, but there was an episode
where Mary has her license and we're driving it. I
remember it was in Burbank and we play fire drill.
So we get out and we run around the car
and somebody crashed web.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
But where are we going? Did you say that story?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because you weren't there.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I don't know where dated yourself.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Anyway, we crashed it later on, but but it is
We did have that station wagon for a very long Eric.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, and it was my paneling.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It was his own vehicle that they used to show
somebody hit the car. You know, one of you didn't
crash it?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Uh, And we did it.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
It was a big It was a big stunt like
we had like a big like we had a stunt
where we crashed the car and.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
It was by lots of stunts crash for the show.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes, yes, no, no, no, it was an action show. Actually,
well we have stunts.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
We need to focus, all right, So about this episode
that we've gotten exactly one, we see Eric walking into
a hotel with another woman and the rumors are already swirling.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Where do we go from here? We're done? Right? We
got that. I think I got it. I think we
answered the questions.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
To come out here like, oh my god, these people
are crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I'm obsessed.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
This is Yes, So we find out that there or
we see that there's a woman and Eric is walking
into a hotel room with her and we don't know
what it is, and and Annie kind of just like
skirts like it's no big deal, and we go home.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And he does this all the time, he is a minister.
She instantly says, like this is.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Normal, and also that you know he helps people all
the time, so you know, we don't we don't think
much of it and move on, right, Yes, and then
what happens next?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh man, you're looking at me like, I remember.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
We did watch the show.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I did well. I think the kids are suspicious.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of course, always always we all are, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Because like who is she? But does I think she
does tell him? I think we learned that she's abused. Yes,
at this moment, I think it's pretty early.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
And she can't think, but as her husband never stops yelling,
so she needs a hotel so that she can probably
you know, work out her thoughts of leaving him.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
But at this point, we as the Camdens are on,
we do not know that audiences.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
About town are that she's cheating actually, and that her
husband seems like this really nice, wonderful man.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Nice businessman.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yes, with this wood paneled office.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's the wood paneling again.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
How small is this now? Everybody talks in this town? Okay,
rumor spread in this entire episode very quickly. How small
is this town? Again?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Five thousand, population of five thousand maybe age fifty five.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
The demo. I do think it's interesting that literally every
single person knows about this rumor.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It really happens that way.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I do love Edie mcclug who comes in and she
is so funny because she was always the nosy neighbor
who's like, oh well I saw you know when she
comes in, and she was the iconic nineties like nosy neighbor.
I'm pretty sure that she was on many other shows
as that same character, as the like nosy neighbor who
knows everything and like just wants to know.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Let me run into her with you just like this
is our dog, Like.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I don't know, because also you're like, do we like her?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, there's a lot of attitude in.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
That because you didn't know, because you knew.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well. And I think it was her attitude. So she
she's the first person that kind of shows us that
this whole town is talking about, you know, the reverend
possibly sleeping with this woman in a hotel, which I
have to say also, Abby I think is the character's
name who's being abused, is dressed like a Mennonite, Like
every single button is buttoned up to the very top

(15:51):
of her neck. She does not look like someone who's
sleeping around with anybody in this town. So everyone's like, oh,
what a little like scandalous looks. Yeah, a whore. Have
you seen her? Have you seen her haircut? Like she's
got an haircut that ages are by thirty years like fire,
Like that woman is not cheating on anybody. I can't

(16:13):
see her ankles.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Maybe it's the ultimate cover though, Like that's how cheaters
should dress.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's smart. Wow, I don't know this is this is
something that Ruthie would think.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Actually that's what she wants to.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Thinking.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
If it's somebody who's been abused or is covering up
any kind.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Of Oh, here we go with the practical excuse.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, I mean somebody's got to.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Have it turtleneck.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, exactly, that's when you're hiding something.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know it's true.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Actually, I think largely we're just underscoring the uh like
that she's like a traditional woman who is afraid of
the idea of divorce. The suggestion of it insults her,
and she could never under any circumstances, and so like
just that Eric has to like like plead the obvious

(17:04):
case that you don't like you don't need to honor
the vows with someone who abuses you, that that's not
what the vows are for.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
But I think that also that back on the serious side,
I think there are some people that when they make
those vows, like they have a very hard time breaking
them for any reason, even if it because does make sense,
and especially if someone's an abusive relations.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Traditioning because it's at and yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And as seventh Heaven does.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
We deal with very very heavy subjects at times, and
then and then we put our spin on it and
then soften it with some other softer subjects that we
build around in our other storylines, because otherwise it's way
too heavy and we would be an entirely different show.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Simon has one of those soft storylines in this episode.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's one of my great greatest moment.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
And so I'll tell you when I remember, so, I
I this is one of those episodes that lived behind
the block in my mind that I had. So I
had forgotten all about this, this bit that that Simon
does with this poor girl h and uh. But I
but upon watching it, I immediately had the flashback memories

(18:22):
of like being on set and being eleven, being like,
you want me to do what? And they were like
you just lean in and you have to just take
a deep breath. And I was just like why you
want to smell her? And I was like why, you know,
like and I remember talking to the director and just

(18:43):
being like why make it make sense?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Like who does this? Why does this?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
It's not cute, it's not romantic. I don't get it
at all. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
No, I have to say. I mean, having seen a
lot of these episodes, that sign always gets the craziest stuff,
Like they give Simon something it's almost like they're playing
a prank on you or something like everything that's like
always like a bad boy, but like something so low
like the cigarette smoking in that. It's just they always

(19:17):
give you something that feels like some sort of a
prank and this is one of those Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Well it felt like a prank on me at the time.
And you know, I I'm just watching it back, and
I'm watching myself like try to do it, because then
I always would be like okay, and then I just
get you know, I would really try to sell it
for them or whatever. But I'm watching myself like lean

(19:41):
into this girl's hair and like sniff her and I
just felt like a creep all over again. Because I
felt like a creep doing it. I was just like, what, No,
this is definitely not a relatable kid thing.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
This is so weird that.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I was like, this is something you guys did is kids?
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So Simon has a crush on a girl at school
and he smells her and he likes her so much
that like when they order when they I guess at
a cafeteria, you can choose to order that. When I
went to middle school, you got what you got, but
you can choose different food. And He's like, I'll have
what she's happening. I'll have for what is that?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
What is that like advertisement? But they're having.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oherram at Sally Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. At the restaurant.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
So yeah, I follow her and order the corn because
my love is ordering corn, and so it's going to
taste all.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
The same, the same food.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Again.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, you know, they really knew kids, They really knew
what they do when they're in love. But I think
the school, like everyone knows that Simon's in love.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well there's a note and yeah, yeah, we're going to
talk more about Simon's love when we come back.

Speaker 8 (21:00):
Okay, so now that we're back, we're talking about Simon
and Gabrielle.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
There's a really cute little bit with you and you
come into Lucy's room and you're like, Lucy, do you
believe in love at first sight? And then she starts
to go like into that, and you're just like, back out,
never mind.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I'm so sorry, I asked again. This is as we've
been doing the rewatches of the early episodes. I have
been as I do, just watching my own work at eleven, being.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Like trying too hard, kid, what are you doing right now?
What are we doing here? And but this moment is
what is one.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Of those victories that I get watching the episode where
I go into your room and ask you about true love,
which is like the best idea Simon's had so far
in this episode, like you, Lucy right, ask her about
But about two seconds into your bit about true love,
I realized I made.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
A horrible mistake.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I'm sure I have a really complicated reaction of internal
regrets and then like slip back out.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
No one wants to hear about Jimmy Moore.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
We do, but he's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
You know how many times Lucy has loved He's more
than any of the Canons. He's so.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Dynamic and dynamic and so full of lifes.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
He stands out in the crowd.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Sure haircut was really unique for the nineties.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
Yeah, just the just the the monotone performance on Undegated,
it understated that the absolute lack of emotion on every front,
but she she can feel his love.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Now do you think that was purposeful in a way
where like when kids fall in love, it's someone that's
like very milk toast, but when you do, you're like
so into it or do not think that?

Speaker 6 (23:01):
I think that this was a very difficult storyline for
me to like really fall deep for. But you know,
I decided that once we were in it, we were
just gonna like freaking go off Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Moons, I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Something.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
It's like there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, like this morning you woke up and thought about
Jimmy Moon.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Absolutely, I mean Lucy still Lucy is like dove so
deep and was so Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
But what a great way to underscore how Lucy is
just that her romance is all in her head. And
then to set you up with Jimmy Moon trying to
break up with you, you know, as the dynamic figure
for you to impose your love of Bond.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I know, Jimmy Moon, I mean his name alone just
says it all.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
She just wanted to memorable.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I'm mean that was those those you did have.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
The most memorable of the men. Yeah, Glance Mass, Yes,
I mean you have. We haven't even gotten.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Lucy just wanted to love.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
I wanted to be loved and I wanted to be
a part of something and so yeah, I had I
had a I had a Lucy got around a lot
more than Beverly did.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, Beverly was probably traumatized. She was like, that is
not what I want.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Yeah, I am traumatized by the split personality of Lucy Camden.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that we went through together.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe Michael has Lucy to thank for your long standing
commitment and him Lucy scarred you and so you were like,
you know, one and done. That's true.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I am done.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
So that is good.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, because yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Lucy, most of the family, most of the kids doubted
the reverend right in this episode, like Lucy too. There
was a moment where he's like, hey, and You're like,
I don't know about you.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know, the one who tells him what the rumors
are too? Ah, yes, yes, it has to be the older.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, Matt was always like the wise one that like he.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Has an r into the town gossip.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I feel like I don't know that there actually
wasn't the talk of the town. Oh really.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I feel like the suggestion would be it's that that
it's the parish. It's like our our church community is
a buzz with it, and that would kind of make
more sense. But they do just kind of frame it
as like everyone in the whole.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I see, guys, I know small that is what it's
like like because people in small towns have literally nothing
to do, and if there isn't any real like you know, scandal,
they just make up because it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
But I feel like the Reverend in this episode kind
of it is. He is not denying it. He's like,
it's my job.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I never really know what I'm doing, trust me, nothing
better to do.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
He definitely was like reminding, like, you know, you know,
I have to be confidential.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
I cannot tell you amount of people that how easy
it would have been for him just to say no.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
They're all like, there's a rumor you're screwing this girl.
He was like just saying, well, that's not true. You know,
like he wasn't even doing that.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
I think he likes the or little you know, well,
I think he likes being the mysterious Reverend and kind
of like, you know, I think there was there was
a bit.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Of that what doctor pat It's between me and God.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
What was Mary doing this episode?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I remember nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
She had a crush about Oh was her? No? No, no,
she had a Richard, Richard Richard, she had a boy.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
That she was interested in, Richard as hot as he
could have disagree.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think the show has had less attractive people on
that are supposed to be hot. I'm not talking about Moon.
I would never ever disparage that man, but I think
this one was actually cute.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It was cute, but he was.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
They had studied dates and which were more like makeout
sessions and for what.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's does for how bad his his like flirty lines
were he kind of like got away with it.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I feel in school studying.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, some of some of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
We've had some doozies already in the first ten episodes. Okay,
we had It's not a ski trip, it's a me
trip a few episodes ago. We had some great, awful,
like romantic flirty lines. But I feel like this kid
kind of sold it with a smile and.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Got away with it.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
He was like the football quarterback, which you know, gives.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You an extra point.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
And I think this was this was This wasn't his
first makeout session on the show, was it?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
I think yeah, I think this was which was because
and it was the first episode I think that Barry
did not make out.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
With, including Mary, the first time Mary Matt didn't make out.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
We were talking about that with Jess and Jess is like,
she's like, I don't think it happened, but I don't
know if I have a mental block on it because.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
We don't remember if we shot it, well not, we
we didn't shoot it.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
But I was your first kiss on the show, like.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
My third.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Wow for you too, But I have to say.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
It is sort of for me. It takes the anxiety
out of having your first kiss because you're like, you've
got to do this. It doesn't matter if you really
like that, pluck her up.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
True. Actually, every kitchen now be an actor so they
can just get their first kiss over with, so your
first kiss can be transactional. It's healthy.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, I have a a lot of well I have
to find the silver lining and having one hundred people
watching it and that's it.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
We'll get there. I don't think how many people were
on the set typically like one hundred, Yeah, fifty to
one hundred people. Would they make it? Would they lower
the amount of people on set for more intimate things? Yes?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, I mean we didn't do a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
We didn't have it, like.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
The kind of intimacy content that you would need to
have a close set, do have a clothes set or
something like that. That wasn't our deal. But if particularly
because we all had like my first kiss was on
the show, and I remember, like everyone kind of knows,
you know, like you can't be like no, do this
all the time. I'm twelve, you know, like you so

(29:51):
smell her hair, smell smell it smells good, better, smells
better than that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Try again.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Our set was we always kind of think back on
it and treat it like it was a big family.
They were really good about respecting us in those when
we felt awkward. There's lots of reasons why we felt
awkward for different episodes, but but I remember the set.
Whenever we were feeling that way, it was never because

(30:20):
of the crew or the you know, or the situation
on the set itself.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Like I remember also there was there was later, there
were seasons. Later in the seasons, there were like episodes
where like I felt like Lucy was trying to be
sexy and world wear, like ridiculous lack of clothing. And
I just remember the crew because it's in that situation
where like you're literally like you've got a million dads
around it and.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
They've all been watching you grow up exactly, and.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
The horrified because they're also.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like I don't want to work hurt you.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, but they were.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Always very respectful and being like okay, now, like it
was always safe.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, it always felt it was to me.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
To me, well, I think to all of us, like
we had a very unique situation where which is also
why I think we were able to like do what
we were able to do because the set was so
safe and we had so much like security behind us,
so we were able to do these very silly, crazy things,
which we're going to talk about in just a second.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
When we're back after this.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Welcome back, we are just about to talk about Mary
and Richard.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh Richard.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
So Richard isn't good at school, neither is Mary. Actually
in this episode, she's failing math I think, or she's
not doing her grades are falling, which is uncharacteristic of Mary.
But Richard has a secret.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
He does have a secret, and it's a big one.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, he can't read right very well but mostly at all.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, it was he was reading a map or.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Seven. Seven is so one of a kind because there
are so many themes happening espec especially around like spousal abuse,
and it came out of nowhere. I'm like, and this
guy is illiterate. I seriously think the writer's room was like,
we need at least four things that are wild. Literacy

(32:23):
needs to be one of the Yes, I need an
eighteenth century problem. Yeah, read his geography book. Annie comes
in and sees that he can't read and he's stuttering,
and she helps him out, and she's like, geography was
hard for me too. She says, I didn't know north
from south. I didn't know west from east. I was like, girl, chill,

(32:45):
you would just say it's hard, like you don't have
to go back, like you know north from south.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
Did she go as far as saying, like the tutor
didn't even know how to read either.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I have a friend and she didn't. She couldn't read
until she was forty, and she shouldootor she should tuotor
you on how to read. Now. I don't know. I
don't know if someone who didn't learn how to read
until they were forty should be the two right, you know?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
But it did change his tune, like inspiring.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Tune went, Oh, I'm no longer going to make out
with Mary, right, that's right. He was like, I'm no
longer sexually try. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
The study session stopped.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
She went to kiss him and he didn't. Yeah, he
was like, no, I want to read, I want to
learn how to read. I can't kiss you. Who has
time to kiss you? Mary?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Study session?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yes? And it happened in an instant. It was probably
twenty seconds.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's what happens when you want to learn how to read.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Absolutely and it also happens if you come from Glen
Oak like things happen that because does.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
It take place in Glen oakle is our fictional community.
You know, Monica that now they say it in the
show very often.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
We sometimes, I think we said it more in season
one we talked about Glenno and then I think we
kind of like fell off because for a long time
we were not supposed to be California, yet we always
had California plate license plates.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Oh yeah, well, initially we were supposed to be kind
of like Anywhere, USA, kind of small town family thing
with California license but we had California license plates. You
suspiciously spot some palm trees once a while, and so
eventually we kind of the jig was up and it
was like it was Glen Oak, California. But it wasn't

(34:35):
like LA, It wasn't like southern California. It was kind
of like a lot of places in we went from
Anywhere USA to Anywhere California.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, okay, no, did interesting I wonder too if illiterate
people are just naturally hornier. Maybe, like you do you
think that that's the case too. That's a theory that
I have. I mean, because he was he was really
going for when he couldn't, but then.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Once he realized that he could possibly read, then then
it went away.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
So that was interesting to do.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
But your whole world opens up when you can read.
The opportunities just widen.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, absolutely, Wait so and what is Ruthie doing? And
I'm I'm so lost right now?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
She's just walking around.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You have some really good you have some really good stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I do remember that when Simon so, Simon's really going
through it. He's so embarrassed about the.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Situation that now so much so that David's still embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
But yes, never recovered.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
This is just not my strongest episode.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Okay, anyone's smelling his hair.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
That's why he pretends to be sick to not go
to school.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
That's right and original.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
She's like, I know you're lying. You call me out.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Because I tried the old heat up the thermometer trick,
which is a very analog way to trick your parents
into letting you stay home.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't think you can get away with that these days.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh and then I weren't you asking her to like
hit you.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Over the head. That kind of funny is that Simon
didn't want to remember the embarrassing moment or did he
want to die?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
I just wanted to I just wanted a serious injury
so that I had a real reason to stay.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Home, Okay, Gabriel, Yeah, you know. Well, Simon gives Ruthie
at first a book to hit him over the head,
and Ruthie's so down. Ruthie couldn't grab that book fast enough.
She's like, oh, I'll hit you so hard on that.
And then he's like, actually like an encyclopedia or something heavier,

(36:46):
and Ruthie's like, hell yeah, yeah, let's got a bat.
It goes to a bat, Ruthie can't hit him. She
walks away and says, I can't have any fun around here.
Ruthie was so down to knock you unconscious.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, yeah, as the sister would be. Thank god, how
often does your suddenly give you permission to hit them?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Well, for almost ten episodes, you know, I have been
manipulating you as best I can into like my schemes,
and so this is your moment of revenge that I hand.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
To you on a silver platter. Here hit me, please
take me. And then yeah we don't, we don't go
through with it. But that but the rule.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
It's a classic rule of three gag where I'm like this,
no bigger, no, the bat, and we go to the bat.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's it's cute, It's just cute.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
The storylines that your characters have are always the lighter,
more fun things to cut against the dispousal abuse. The
exception of the episode with the cigarettes. Well, this early
on we're super light.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, but then we we get our fair share of ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's yes, that is Ruthy shining. I can't wait for
that episode. I'm jumping all around everything she has the farnch.
It's the best, it's the best one. I can't wait
for that one.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Wait, what season is that?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
It's six or seven? Maybe because I don't think Mary's
I don't think Mary's around.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's like after season safety.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
But he's so bad. We're talking about a whole nother episode. Yeah,
pushes the cigarettes on Simon, like your pressure Simon to
smoke the cigarettes. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Anyway, anyway, where were we We're all suspicious of dad
where he's still trying to convince the this woman to
leave her husband who abuses her. And so it's at
some point now Matt decides too that he's gonna find
out what's going on. So he's gonna he's gonna follow him.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Matt's been before he follows his dad. Matt has actually
been like the good big brother in this because he
actually thinks that Mary's boy, what's it Richard, is dealing drugs.
Do you remember that? Like she thinks she's dealing drugs
because someone's typing his paper for him, and so he's
paying someone to type his papers for him, and that

(39:08):
goes up to him and this is in the very
front of school, like the front steps to the front
door of the school, and he's like, you dealing drugs.
You better not be dating my sister if you're dealing drugs. Yeah,
in the front of the like this. I was just
remembering that.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Definitely.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
I think a lot of our drug dealing situations are,
you know, not not like behind clandestine buildings. They're they're
out like right in the middle of like parking lots
and like right out there for everyone to see.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
You mean, in real life for the show, well the show. Yeah,
I wasn't gonna assume anything. They're like, they take place
in this living room under the seventh of it Boster. Yeah,
but that's a good that's always a good.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
He's a good good, he's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
But he does follow, and he's a good he's a
good foil.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
And this says that what's awesome about these kind of
Matt moments is Barry because Barry's personality he always loved
to in his own way kind of like goof on Matt,
kind of in a meadow way, and so like it
made me laugh out louder watching the episode when Eric

(40:21):
is at the hotel with her and he sets her
up and then he goes to walk off by himself
and he's just like he just makes an off comment
like oh are you still there?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
How long you've been there or whatever.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
He just knows that Matt's there, and then Barry just
walks out from behind a bush.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
But this boy just comes out from like oh man.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
He follows him back and then he's like, oh, you
saw me, and he's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
You're parked under the street light.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
So like that that goofy side of Matt always makes
me laugh because I know that Barry loves that stuff,
you know, and so watching Barry's you know, kind of
goofy side is always enjoying saying that.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know, the times when Barry's sort of making fun
of Matt actually end up being our favorite moments of
Barry's to watch. Which was which was was.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
He like making fun of him within the performance? Yes?

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, I love that because he just said like
sometimes like he couldn't so ridiculous count Yeah he couldn't.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Really.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, It's like a meta thing that Barry always did
where we could all we could see in the performance
that Barry's like, you know, taking the pitch, he commits harder.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, I mean, watching the show, the choices the characters
have to make are just I'm sure as an actor,
you're like, in what world would anyone.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Ever do this?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So all I got to do is just double down
on it, you know. That's what y'all did.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
This is what I I didn't know when I was
smelling the hair, I didn't letting this technique.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, but he that's it's towards the end that he
follows that Matt follows him in because at this point
the rumors have boiled up so much. Everyone's talking about this,
and I did think it was funny when the Reverend
enters the hotel, like he basically just calls the shots.
Like the owner of the hotel comes in, he's like, well,
what can I do for you? You know, like, oh, well,

(42:14):
like everyone does his bidding for him. It's wild runs
this town, Yes, the town. The owner of the hotel
walks up and says like, what can I do for you? Reverend? Yeah,
like like he's his vampire thrall or something.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
But you know, everyone in town goes to is a
part of our parent Yeah, there isn't a single yeah,
everybody non we're all Christian person.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Speaking of that. We will be right back after this break.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
So now we are back to this episode. Thanks for
continuing to stay with us. That was great.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, you did nailed it. And let's dive into missus Beaker, which, yeah,
you reminded me was our neighbor.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yes, so the nosy neighbor who talks about all the
cheating allegations. Yes, gives a cast role to Annie who
shows up at the front door. She shows up at
the door just dirt, yes, and she it's very clear
she's a doo thing. Her eyes are real narrow, her
eyes are darting around. She's like, where's your husband? I

(43:25):
don't see how manywhere around here? And she's like, I
made a tune also, she made a tune of cast role.
No one wants hot tuna dishes, you know, like, and
Annie is not falling for her.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Bullshit Annie smart?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, she's she's and she smiles at her, you know,
like a passive aggressive like, so nice to see you.
And what does the speaker say? She says something like
I think she's just straight up like your husband's cheating
on you.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
She's like straight up says that she's pretty aggressive. And
do you come in again and ask if we still
like Ruth's there? Yeah, because I think because you continuously
keep asking like do we like her?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
She's like.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
She's trying to turn the other cheek as hard as
she can, and she.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Gives her back that she's finally like, you know what,
you can take this tunic cast roll and shove it, uh,
give it to poor people, actually the tunics, and give
it to the needy. Give it to the needy. Yeah,
she's such a boss.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It gives that that's on wheels. Dinner right at night.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, they did have a I.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Didn't Matt drive it, and Matt drove it, drove it and.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Uh, dates up in the meals on meals and there
was there was a beer that.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
They were trying to drink in the meals on wheels
and she spilled the beer. We're again getting off. But
you know what's great is like all the things that
I didn't remember.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I didn't remember.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
Anything about the show when we started, like literally yea,
and now all of a sudden, like, oh, it's all coming.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Back to me. When we had shot our video, I
remember you saying, You're like, I think I just blacked
out for a lot of this. I mean, you just
had to shoot so many Well yeah, everyone.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Well, because it's like it's like asking someone like, do
you remember on that your second year of the.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Second semester of the tenth grade?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
M yeah, what you did on that start Thursday? Do
you remember that?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's so wild that you're comparing it to people's realize
when you was just a fictional one because you're like,
I don't remember the tenth my fictional you know for us? No, Yeah,
you had your first kisses on the show.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Yeah, Well and it's just yeah, I mean it's it's
very hard to explain to people like how it it
is for us because it wasn't episodes for us, Like
it was like there's memories, so like like they were
real memories, like we didn't live in these episodes, but
we but we do have this weird well I mean
you might still be there.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
But.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
But like it's it's very hard to explain.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
But it is funny like as we're rewatching and like
all of a sudden, like all these little triggers are
going off and like, oh, like you know, we just
talked about an episode where I was like Mila Kunis
and I forgot that she was on the show and
I forgot Like so it's all these weird things that
are just coming back.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Yeah, every episode, it seems, you know, we are slowly
unburying some some finds are fun more fun than others.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, that's very true. Some we wish we're still buried.
Yeah yeah good, Yeah, like smelling Gabriel.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, this is one of my first real real cringey
ones for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
David Letter was in this episode as well.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, So so in the school yard, I when I
I write her a letter like this really awful basic
middle school like check yes, like the way you smell.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
And I also like corn? Do you like corn? Yes?
Or no? Can you read? Because I can, but I
know someone who can.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
And then my letter is intercepted by this like uh
by this bully always have red hair. They are well
it's isn't it the bullies like the bully sidekick has
red hair. Maybe bullies like the big kid with the
curly hair. And and he he takes my my letter
and then reads it aloud to everyone, much better than.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Richard Nigel's like dying behind you.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
He's just like Nigel Nigel's just nothing to save you
and a good friend standing by my side but not
proud of me.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
And Hamilton's also in this episode too, because Hamilton, Patricia Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
We loved it when when they would come when.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
They were how many like it would be fairly frequently
was maybe a few this episode or the or the
other one the episode she came in to check on her.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
They are all getting mixed up.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Also, there's probably many mugging episodes have been mugging.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Season.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
There was aug how many ways pregnant teens mugging.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Talked to Christine, like, and who was one of our
pregnant teams?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Really? Yeah, one of them, I mean the one that
car jacked or no, she was.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
She was like, there was a there was a.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Oh I got the double pregnant and they went they
played pool.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah that was yeah, So we talked actually, you know
what and.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
The ones boyfriend couldn't read.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
That one couldn't read either.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
There were two pregnant teens in this episode. Each had boyfriends,
and the one couldn't read because they were trying to
get a job. Was to get a job, and he's like,
I can't read.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
We need you on like all of these episodes because
you know them better than we do.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
And that is the truth that we locked the door.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Probably tattoos as well. He probably had, I'm sure he had.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
At about you're talking about age you.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, well the glennar uh, you know, triangle of criminality
involves the pot tattoos and probably a teenage pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
That's that's get pregnant. I think it's just like if
you're doing it and you're a teen villain.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
No, but if you have sex, you get pregnant.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
But yeah, okay, there's not a stomach tattoo because it's
gonna look really weird.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
But the worst villain of all are the paint Hoffers,
and they infiltrate the whole town and they do it everywhere.
You think you're dealing drugs in front of the school,
and they're helping paint in the hallways. So don't even start.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
It's another one of my bangers, okay, one of.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Your greatest hits if if I'm honest.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
But I'd be careful because they might break into song someone.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I think it. I think it was a nineties con
was like it was like, did you know, like when
when they taught us about huffing at school, you on
the poster and.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
At school about huffing like that don't have posters they
would put.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Up at school and I'd be on it. I'll tell you.
It was the first time as a kid I had
heard of what huffing was. Me too, and I was
like maybe, I was like, should I help me? I'm
actually remembering that. When Ruthie was about to kill Simon

(50:35):
in this episode with the bat, I think, yeah, I
think I think the thing that stops her is someone
comes in and tells Simon like it's all gonna be okay.
I can't remember which character it is. I don't know
if it's anything. You know, maybe it's is Matt and
he's like, hey, kids are stupid. They forget things constantly.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
It's Lucy.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
It's Lucy. Yes, shot, it's actually.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
A really true there's a sweet moment be where I said, like,
somebody's like gonna have diarrhea or something, or the next
day or something, something awful sogets.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But it's not like I didn't go like I really
want for it.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah, you give me some sage, older sibling advice. Hey,
you were out of school for a day. You know
something happened today. Everyone's already moved on. And then I
go back to school and everyone's like.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Hey, Simon, you hair isn't there's something that happened.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
But then after you were established to be wrong, then
he jumps down and splits his pants, and then you
were right. Then everyone immediately moves on. But I get
one more like I was like, but at least she
was right you are.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Event was like, you see you're the best, and she's like,
now let me tell you about Jimmy Moon, and Simon's like, actually,
just kidding to go somebody listened about Jimmy mooon please.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
That was my like one sisterly like moment where like
I got to be big sister, yes, and it's over.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Well no, I'm just kidding it. Sorry, I didn't mean
for like silence, I mean like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
What do you mean? And then and then we didn't
even get into husband. Who oh my gosh, this is
the craziest part of the whole thing. We didn't even
start on husband.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Guys, I know we got to start well, take it away, Rob.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So we don't see him through most of the episode.
We just hear about him, right, uh. And he's first
introduced by coming to the home, which is crazy. See
he just shows up at the Reverence House and he's
downstairs and he's give, yeah, giving all the same. Like,
I actually think the show does a good job with
like manipulators and what they do.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
But before he gets he that you're not talking about
when he shows up to the house yelling.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
No the first time, when he calmly is like, look,
she makes up lies for it, Like I keep I
think the show does a good job with like how
manipulative people can be when they're abusing people. And of
course the pastor who's all knowing is like, I don't
believe you. You know, he doesn't tell him that, but
he's like sure, sure, sure, He's like cool story bro. Yeah.

(53:15):
And then the first time we see him, but then
he tries to come into the hotel to find her. Also,
can we talk about how.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Hold on, we're gonna we're gonna in just a second
when we get back, we're going to cover this the
crazy abusive pastor.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
We're back to the husband. Yes, because he let's hone
in on him.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
He was intense monster when he goes into the hotel.
Can we talk about when he goes in trying to
find what Abby Abby? Yes, So he goes in trying
to find Abby, and he goes right up to the
hotel desk and he's like, give me, give me room
she's staying in.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
And he's about to yeah, like he does a great
little like meeting my wife and I forgot what room
she's in. He does this nice little sneaky move to
get the room number, and.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It looks like it's gonna work just fine until until
until I run this town in this hotel. But then
the craziest scene is the last scene they're at the
house It seems like every at the end of episodes,
everyone just seems to be in the house.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Every cast member, We all gather for the big cli.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Everyone shows up for the big abuse moment, and I
keep forget her name, it's Abby's in the house because
she's decided decided that she's gonna go. Her sister lives there.
She's gonna leave, and well, good for her, you know.
She's like, you know, I'm leaving. And then he shows up,

(54:56):
her husband, and uh.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
He tries to beat her up, right, yea with all
the Cantons there.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, with all the Camden's there, right, So the Reverend's like,
not on my watch, you know, I run this town,
uh and stops him. Yes. Yeah, do they get They
get into a little scuff. Yeah, I have a little scuffle.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
And we're only ten episodes in Ish at this point,
and Eric's had multiple scuffles and like threats of violence,
like hey, I will feature your fist. You know, we
have on multiple occasions established that like Eric knows how
to fight and can like, you know, uh get down.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I think he's kind of seminary school.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
That's what they teach in seminary school.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Right, like how to beat people. Yeah, I feel like
there could be something happening down the road where someone's
like hey man, and he'll run over and like try
to fight, you know, Like I think he's really asking
for it. He's trying to show his like yes, yeah,
there's a lot of her bottom.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
It's because Annie is like.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Pants, yes, but Annie wears the pants in the relationship,
like she's the tough one.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
She's the toughest. They do have a conversation about it
in the end, because she's believed him this whole time
that he's not cheating on her until mostly she she
does have her doubts. Her kids throw some doubts her way.
She's like, don't believe those rumors, and the kids leave
the room. Seventh Heaven music comes up, and she's like
slowly frowned. She's like, is he cheating on me? But

(56:36):
he doesn't do her right, Like he doesn't call her
that he's not going to dinner that night, he comes
home late, he doesn't update her on what you're doing. Like,
if you have rumors that you're sleeping with the town
men a nite with her buttons all the way up
to her neck, you gotta call your wife and be like, hey,
by the way, I'm gonna be late, Like he doesn't
do her right and she's too good for him.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I guess he assumes that she would believe him. What's
the deal with the cream sauce? Like, is it a
sauce that I like? He's like, not really, and he's like, oh,
it is a weird moment.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yeah, there's also that that's funny because that's like I
love it.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
It's just the only episode that the cream sauce. So
the cream sauce is a moment where he's leaving and
he's not going to be back for dinner and Annie
the reverend, and Annie says, well, I'm making cream sauce,
and he's like, I don't like it. She's like, but
the kids do what I don't understand. Well, then the
payoff for it, Yeah, is the creen sauce mentioned in

(57:32):
other episodes. No, but but the payoffs.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
I think it's also Annie's way of saying that she's
kind of upset with him.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, And that's her like very like passive way of
saying like I'm not doing something for you, I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
It for the kids.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I'm kind of this reminder like like not everything's about you.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
But the payoff for it is that she later in
the episode does cook something he likes and and that
he that he misses out on kind of intentionally.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yes, and she feeds it to Happy half of the
meal to Happy the dog. Yeah. So that's her way
of kind of.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Being upset with him, Yeah, getting him back, allowing these
rulers to propagate.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
But when she does learn, when Annie learns, so eventually
the reverend tells her the truth at night because he's
like pushed her to this. Well, he says, he says,
I can tell you. Oh, so he gets permission from Happy, right,
and I love that he's the therapist. He's the town's therapist.
But she mentions like, oh, it all makes sense. And

(58:39):
then there's a few things she rattles off that are
like obvious signs of abuse. She's like, oh, he doesn't
let her leave the house. We wanted her to join
a girl group and he says, you can't do that.
She has her degree in business and he says, you
can't work. Now it all makes sense. She's been crying
for help for years and like, oh, that's just her personality.
It's like abusive coded like no Bay. So funny, well,

(59:01):
not funny, but bizarre. Bizarre.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah, I don't know, and also so very un Brandon
was just very involved. You know, she can't.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
She's going to be living in New York with her sister, which,
by the way, the reverend is like, I know people
in New York, like he knows everybody. He's like, I
know people in New York. He says, I know judges.
These are threats that he gives the husband follow her
to New York. I dare you, he said, I dare you.
I know people who have been to Jesus, something along
the lines of I know people who were bad, were

(59:33):
reformed but can still be bad. Are these these like
kind Christian mobsters to her? They're good, they're kind hearted? Yeah, wild,
Like who is this person? And he knows the judge

(59:54):
to connected?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, you're not messed with, Reverend Hamdon.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
What's the country the original of ours apparent all of
New York as well, yes, nationwide.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Wow, this was a much more intense episode that really.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I mean, the spousal abuse is just a very serious topic,
which is why the illiteracy was just just.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
But now we know that literacy leads to more sex.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Wait, no, it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Because she's but we also established that another pregnant person
literate boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
It's different.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
True, I can't if he could read, she wouldn't be
a pregnant teen right. In a later episode, got it Wow.
I wonder if there's the examples of this through the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Do you think Annie was saying that because, like, you know,
Annie's been pregnant a lot. Maybe Annie like had reading
problems and that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Maybe the reverend did and he was just so horny
that she was like mine. And then she's like, I
know this forty year old friend, she can't read, but
she's learning a friend, you know, right, all right? To
be kind to that forty year old a letter, to
be kind to that woman. Anny, She's like, oh, it's fine,

(01:01:12):
you can't read. There's someone who's forty and she can't reading,
and she does just fine. She's going to start a
muffing business. In all fairness, I do think she's asking,
she's referring this person to him because maybe learning to
read as an adult later in life is a different skill,
so to not make him so embarrassed about it, like

(01:01:33):
she's someone who can like help him versus like understands
like you idiot. You know someone who understands the position,
and he's definite.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
He doesn't want to learn from an eight year old.
That's not going to that's not going to help. He
doesn't need Roothy to teach him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
No, damn it. Ruthy just holds the book over his
head like that makes you read. Ruth is always down,
is always down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
No questions asked, gosh, well, yeah, well I think we
we we nailed this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
We covered it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I think we did.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
I think yeah, we hit we We covered this episode
and future episodes and all of our favorite episodes and
look back at episodes and things that might not be episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
We hit all the episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
So well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Than such a great spirit about this. It's so fun
to talk about it with you all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
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