January 29, 2025 • 54 mins
Jabba the what?! A long time ago in a gay club far, far away... Princess Leia was slaying the house down BUNS! Hop in your Millennial Pink Falcon—we're imbibing "Wishful Drinking," the one-woman show-turned-memoir from Hollywood (and galactic) royalty Carrie Fisher. The daughter of Debbie Reynolds, Carrie is Hollywood to her imperial core—and that's on Whobacca! From cocaine addiction and electroshock therapy to gay best friends dying in your bed and Lily's pronunciation of Tatooine, this is one jedi-licious martini that'll finally answer the question: "Who Outer Rimmed whom?" Ewok, don't run to this endor-able episode. Help us iHeartPodcasts, you're our only hope!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini's.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity Poof Club.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poof Club.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'll tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No
boys are a loud cleo. Say it loud and poud,
celebrity pook club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer foe hey, best friend.
Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Happy New Year to all my new club kids and old.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Even though technically we probably I'm sure like last week
said happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, I've for three weeks now and it's only February. However,
we don't judge you if you haven't taken down your
Christmas tree yet.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, sorry, I'm a type B person. I haven't taken
down my This.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Is actually a really interesting question. What do you think
is the latest possible time to take down a Christmas tree?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
My tree is not down right now, neither is mine.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Cool, and it's like getting the stage where it's like,
I know it's gonna happen this week.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is that because you're gonna feel weird if it's up
for too long.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's because it's getting to like a little bit droop
city the tree itself is, even though her it's still smell.
I walked by yesterday and I said, damn, girl, you
still got it. My mother went on a date with
an old Greek man once and he had his Christmas
tree up year.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Route well, as the Gretchen Wilson song goes, I keep
my Christmas lights on the front porch all year long,
So there's kind of like a that's when you have
a fake tree pried in that. Yeah, I mean obviously
the real tree it's getting brown. Yes, So it's like
I just some of those heavier ornaments might start falling
and that becomes a safety hazard.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And then it's for young children and pats and cats
and iguanas. I just don't want a good place where
it's so droopy that that is just like really sad. Yeah,
and it's just like wow, and it's a little more
like mother's been sleeping all day.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, Oh, I'll get to it. Sad. Yeah, I have
to say, I was in Vermont this weekend and I
was in a kind of what I'm calling the Hamptons
of Vermont now, which is Stow, which I didn't really
realize was like so fancy, but their whole like downtown
was still Christmas lighted up, and it was so nice
(02:30):
and magical to be in a snowcovered town and see
all the lights. And I was like, I'm glad they're
not like ripping them off on January first, because like,
I think there's still a time and a place for
this kind of magical winter moment with all the lights.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm fully with you. I think maybe take the trade
out if it's drooping, but I think there's no reason
we shouldn't have lights up all winter because people can
get so sad, it can be such a dark time,
and people enjoy the lights, yes so much. Keep lights up.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, I mean the concept of like a light in
the darkness during this very dark time time. I think
that is.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And the snow happens more in your January and your February,
and it's like, how beautiful to step out and see
these lights when you're having a beautiful weekend with ten
gay men at a resort.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, so I think I am in your camp of
like when the tree starts to go put her out
of her misery. Yeah, but let's enjoy the lights during
the sum of darkness.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And I guess also I'm supposed to get some sort
of like tree bag to put it outside.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I just saw a couple of loose trees on the
curb today. I didn't see anyone using the specialty bag.
I've got a sort of biodegradable or like.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's like a like my super like usually comes with
like a bag and.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He like wraps her up, and it's different than a
garbage bag.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's a really big bag. Oh, the bag is so
u so Yeah, I'm gonna say goodbye this week and
probably you know, make a meal, put on some music,
make it still ritualistic. I just received some very old
ground beef and frozen of course, darling, and maybe I'll
(04:06):
make a beautiful January meat loaf as they take down
the old tree.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Subscription box go out of business, like it's like.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I received it from a heterosexual elder in my neighborhood
who was clearing out their freezer. Also knows my girlfriend's
mom because we were helping her pack, and she said,
do you want any meat? And I said, you know it, bitch,
I pulled up with my sack, throw her in.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What beef? Enderson? Was she hearing you?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It was straight up your classic moo moo beef.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Nice cow. Okay, I expect to be eating a delicious
chili at your home in three to six months, Oh girl.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Come on over. Yeah, I'm gonna do a June chili.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kick off the season.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, you guys, as we are saying goodbye to Christmas
and Holidays and that time of mirth, we also are
saying goodbye and hello and then goodbye again to one
of Hollywood's brightest lights, if you.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Will, and someone of legacy, Yes, someone who went too.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Fast, someone who embodies old Hollywood, younger Hollywood, medium Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, you said it perfectly. I would say she's one
of the pillars of even kind of having a memoir.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, in terms of like self narrativizing and kind.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Of like obsessed with her own lore. She kind of
invented being obsessed with her own lore.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And how could you not be when you have her lore?
But I would be and sort of being both blast
and cursed by this male storm of celebrity.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Addiction, fame, infidelity.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Talent, absolute raw talent. I think she's someone who like
really tells the story of culture and America over the
course of several decades because she so embodies old Hollywood
and she so embodies like hippy dippy New Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And she's so both so Buddha. Yes, yet she is
also someone so of the rat pack Carrie Grant, Yeah,
Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
To give a hint, She's just such a singular finger
and also is in possibly the most biggest movie of
all time wearing no brath. Of course, you know her
as Princess Leah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know her as Jebbie Reynolds's daughter, the one, the
only Carrie Fisher and her book Wishful Drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Which is also a one woman show.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Streaming on HBO Max.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And she performed this show around the country for sometime.
I actually saw it with my mother I'm so jealous
Box when I was in high school. Do you want
to see that? And it was so this fun admission
of like her being the mommy dearest figure and being like,
I feel like we have this kind of crazy mother
daughter relationship. Should we go see a one woman show
(07:06):
about a crazy mother daughter relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's like an insane route to be like, Okay, I'm
ind minting, I'm like a fifties icon who like loves
to like drink and be fabulous, and you're my like
crazy daughter.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I mean just the
choice alone for her to take me.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
To that was such a like because had you gone
kind of to the theater just you two?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I can't remember if there had been a time when
just the two of us saw something together. I remember
her taking me and my friend Ben to see Mom
and Mia.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, right, basically kind of chauffeuring a date. In a way,
this book made me think of how I went with
my mother also singular, and I guess more less kind
of that, more just being like, I'm a divorced mom
who's taking my like retro child to a movie. We
want to go see a screen named Cleopatra at the
Wang Theater. Oh anyway, Wang girls, shout out to my
(07:57):
Wang girls something with the if you haven't been, get
your ass.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's definitely the most beautiful theater of Monstone. Not heavy competition, but.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Have you been to the Stoneham Theater where I saw
All Boundstone? But I mean seeing such a glorious movie.
And of course Cleopatra comes up so much in this
book because it is where Elizabeth Taylor met Richard Burton
and thus left Eddie Fisher, who had thus just left
Debbie Reynolds, Carrie's mother and father.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it's crazy, the tangled web of adult tree and
passion that she was the product of.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's so fab the way she describes what happens. So
if we just go back and break it down. So
Eddie Fisher crooner.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Nineteen fifties, krooner, not someone that I think is such
a household name today, but as described in the documentary
Bright Lights, which I watched this night to sit, she's
so insane in so grey gardens and like touching and.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Crazy full and hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And it's about Debbie Reynolds and Cary Fisher, like living
next door to each.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
In like these ranch houses, one that Betty Davis used
to live in, and.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
They're just like in so many silk robes. They have
so many dogs, and they're always just like singing to
each other and like not listening to each other, but
talking to each other endlessly.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wait, I just realized something. It was made by the
same people who made the Chaz documentary that I was
talking about her Share episode, and it has these same
kind of shots of like Chaz Bonos sphinxes and then
the same shots of the French bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean close up of a pat is kind of
an easy run around to show that your like subject
is deranged.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Eccentric, because it's like the dog is always there, is.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Always there, and there's always got the tongue out, and
you're like, it's a senectady for the person's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It was crazy to me. Kind of also see like
so much of like Debbie Reynolds young and being kind
of like hot girl next door.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I know, because we think of always like Will's mom unwilling.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Or just like my favorite movie Mother, which I watched
so many times as a kid, not the.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Darren Aronofsky Jennifer Lawrence film.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, Mother's about Debbie Reynolds and Albert Brooks, and it's
about a guy in his forties who gets divorced and
moves back in with his mother. Oh, and she's being
so old ground beef and he's being so like, what's
the deal with this? And he's unpacking all of his
seventies like stuff and blasting music, and she's being fabulous,
and like he's being kind of like nostalgic, divorced sad.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Interesting, Okay, it's kind of be like that with you
and your mom, but like reversed.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I guess, oh, yes, the dolls. I have the dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I'm like, you're kind of the on teammate now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And she's driving and being like one of these dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So Debbie Reynold's singing in the rain, Mama, Okay, she's
super famous. She's absolutely from the past, and like she
was snatched as she was so.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Snatched and she really was more girl next to and
so Carrie basically compares Eddie and Debbie, and then Eddie
leaving Debbie for Elizabeth, who was of course the dark
beauty to Brad John and Angelina.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And so I listened to this book on tape, as
some of us still say in our industry.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And I've read the book on the most battered, water
logged copy of a book I've ever read.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I've ever seen it more.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'll post it. It's moldy, it's dirty. I don't know
how it got that way. I'm weird.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So she performs this book very one woman showyche you know,
she's want to say, fifty two at the time of recording,
and she talks kind of like this, talking kind of
like this, and she's like, okay, so imagine this. Are
you sitting down? Okay? You got my mother, you got
my father? Okay. So maybe it's a little bit like
(11:52):
Brad and Jennifer Aniston America Sweet america'art. Well, she's not
so like big a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Oh no, no, no, sorry, let's play it back to
your share impression.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh so last stop, back up? Who needs to real
it in it's just like it's a little more like
you know, forty is she and she's like okay. And
then Elizabeth Taylor is the Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I guess your impression to me is it's getting more rama.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm not making it that Jewels.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You're like and look and here, and Debbie Reynolds give.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Me the book. Let me read a passage and the
way I think it's meant to be read.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Okay, please, let's see competition and then you can you
go back to the tapes.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All right. So up at the top left of the chart,
we have Eddie and Debbie in the fifties, they were
known as America's sweethearts. Now, if you are too young
to relate to any of this, try and think of
it this way. Think of Eddie as Brad Pitt, and
Debbie has Jennifer Aniston, and Elizabeth as Angelina Jolie. Does
that help all right? So Eddie consoles Elizabeth with his penis.
(13:04):
Elizabeth takes a movie in Rome, a big budget film
called Cleopatra, and she meets her co star, Richard Burton.
So goodbye Eddie, Hello Richard. I don't think I'm doing
it that Boston Jewish.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Now I'll do mine and then we'll move on. When
I was about fifteen, my mother had started dating a
man named Bob Fallon, and my brother and I called
him bit Bob Fallis because he came equipped with exotic
creams and sex toys, you know, AFRODJX, well actually Anglo
(13:36):
dz X because we're white anyway, Thanks to Bob the Christmas,
my mother bought both my grandmother and myself vibrators. As
unusual as a gift like this sounds, you have to
admit that they are ideal stocking stuff. Harvey in the dark,
bright lights, she's smoking like every second and smoke.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And drinking full calorie Coca Cola.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And then it's always an assistant in the background, just
like opening her fridge and putting like so many wait, okay,
this scene.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Where so there's the one assistant who's like loading up
the fridge with coke, and then this is when she's
shooting the Star Wars sequels. Then there's like the trainer
that Lucasfilm sent over to try and like get her
a little less fat, is just pouring the coke out
in the sink while the assistant's like loading up the
branche in the of the room, and she's just kind
of wafting in and out of rooms in her silk
(14:30):
robe smoking.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And by the way, the way this book starts is
just to set the tone of how like dark and
just like what a fag hag she is. Her gay
dies in her.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Bed literally gold medal hag. Like she's such an insane
fag hag. And I didn't really realize it, like of course,
like growing up watching Star Wars, which I did. I
think I talked about an alec Inis episode, but I
would watch Star Wars every Saturday. There's a long period
of my life where I did this and would watch
all three movies, so I'd get up early and just
to a personal marathon, kind of like me with mother
and and I think a lot of gays and honestly
(15:06):
straight guys and just pretty much like everyone felt this
way about Princess Leiah, Like the whole country and slash
world was obsessed with her, and like you know, she
was definitely a gay icon. And she says in this book,
she's like, I have ability to make men gay. I've
gone all all over the world making men gay. Perhaps
you've met some of my handiwork.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
She has the sung right after that where she's like
talking about basically her second husband, who she has her
child with, Billy Lord, leaves her for a man named Scott,
and he's like a talent agent, and she's like, he
told me once that, like me, taking codine made him gay.
She was like, so, I could have turned on like
heavy machinery, but I'll make you gay.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's like she literally married a gay guy. And she
also had so many gay best friends, including her Republican
gay best friend who died in her bed after a
night of like coke and a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And she's being so just like Hollywood, damn, but like
middle finger about it and being like, yes, so you
guys whatever, Yes you can be a gay and a Republican.
He was the original log Cabin gay. But he was
amazing to shop with.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What's kind of funny when she said that, because she
was just like, Ah, how many gay Republicans you know
who like to do drugs? And I was like, oh, girl,
that's a pretty big thing now, yeah, a lot of them.
There's a couple random points where it really gets like
two thousand and ninety where she's just like, I'm sorry,
I'm basically like Sarah Palin but smarter, and You're like
(16:39):
that wasend.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and I'm like she's running out being like hilarious,
Sarah Palin, what a dumb ass?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Watching the doc, she's someone that like hangs out in
bed and likes her friends to hang out in bed
with her.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
She's always crying in bed. She's the kind of chill
ass celebrity who's not you'd about standing and sitting and
you know what I mean where it's like she puts
her knees up like on a chair when she's doing that,
like photo at the like Star Wars con and like
she like crawls into bed with like that guy like
Dominic Dunn's like son who she's friend Rift Griffin Done.
(17:17):
And they're like getting into bed in a London hotel
and she's like do you remember and.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's like, oh, the seventies, seventies remember it?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And she's just being kind of like chill because like,
I do feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Either so bead or so awkward about getting I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Like celebrities tend to be really awkward even just about
like sitting down, and it's very like things need to
be really like ready for them to sit and yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Have to be like on the big couch and has
to be an interview and you have to have your
big glasses.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
On, yes, and there has to be like the cup
of water that you're not going to touch is in
the right place. I mean we know as we know
as we know about water. I did see Ana Gastire
in this very room not even touching her water after
a long podcast session.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I love to rough how Kamala didn't drink her
like one inch of whiskey on that podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, And it's like Kamala so is trying to be relateable,
but you know, Kamala's not like getting in a bed.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I feel reason why on camera, why I'll never reach
a certain amount of fame, no matter the beverage, whether
it's like coffee water, your spirits, you'll down it. I
think I'll down it and not realize that it's supposed
to actually more sit there decoratively.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What I thought was so sad about the thing about
her Republican gay friend dying in her bed at a
party at her house in La after he had just
gotten back from like a Albanian election, that he was
like rigging it, she was, And of course he.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Was rigging elections Albanian as your gay does.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So the circumstances of his death, which is that he
that just like had a sleep apnea but meets drugs
induced like heart attack, which is how literally how she died.
She died like eight years later. And she makes all
these references in the book occasionally to be like and
when it's my time to go, oh honey.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
She was a prophet in many ways, like.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Knows it's coming. There's just something like, well, there's beautiful
and sad about her, like seeming that she's already okay
with it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think very like og crazy girl about her where
she kind of like knows her days are numbered, like
she you know, winter rehab in her mid twenties, as
she says, to research to write for postcards on the edge,
and then like you know, she's in and out of rehab,
she goes.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, By the Way is a great movie with
Meryl Strap and Churliy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Maclain based off her relationship with Debbie. With Debbie ret,
I kind of didn't clock that she wrote that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, she like fully wrote.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It, wrote the novel, and then they made a movie
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And also in the beginning of this book, she goes
through electroshock therapy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So that's the other big reveal about this book is
that she literally fully eternal Sunshine and herself.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And doesn't remember. Says she doesn't remember a certain amount
of things that are fuzzy.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like yeah, I mean, I think what it ends up
making this book be is like fun and self effacing
and not this like incredibly self righteous survivor's memoir that
we usually read. I was really struck by how different
this is than so many of the typical memoirs we do.
There was no like, wasn't this so awful and let
me like really show you the awful trauma of my
(20:19):
drug abuse so that there can be this redemption narrative
and I can show you how brave I am. She
really doesn't talk about like the darkest depths of her
addiction at all.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
No, And I wonder if that is because this is
a one woman show that's like more.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But I also think of me because she got those
memories fried out of her.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think they were fried. I also think she's like
generally kind of a hilarious person and is a little
more just like look bitch, like, yeah it was my childhood,
like so weird. But she's also being kind of like
grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah. Well, I mean she literally says like, uh, don't
you hate when celebrities like drown on and on and
it's like who ass celebrity books?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Just to close the loop on her death, she had
like busy a heart attack on Lane and then died
at U C l A and she in her system
which is insane cocaine, heroin opiates m d m A.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, uh me after.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Just like not the MDMA on a plane.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That was when she was doing her book tour in
London and She says her father got addicted to crystal
meth because you know, when he was doing his shows,
a doctor would give him a shot and it was meth.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
This was literally just like the past. They were just
pumping everyone full of math.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And then he was like Frank Sinatra bing Crosby. They
were all just pumped full.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of speed, darling. And she's like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
my father. Then you know, he was like, oh, it's vitamins,
which is also so fifties. Ready for your vitamins, sir,
and a Coca cola.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And they like didn't tell him. Oh God. This scene
the documentary where she's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
With her dad, oh okay, we have to talk about that.
So she fits her dad. He's like ninety five, He's
had a thousand marriages. He's like the straightest man ever
because he's just like fock so many women. He's so horny.
And that's like his whole memoir, which we have to do.
But his Elton John Palm Springs ass at the end
of his life is so fab his lips plumped, he
(22:30):
can hardly speak. He's wearing purple tinted glasses. His entire
house is leopard He's in leopard, and then this is
I mean, I don't relate to this as just I guess,
like not being straight. But she's very like, daddy, I
had to compete with all your other girls to be
your best girl, she says to her dad.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah. I mean he's barely like able to speak at
that point, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
She's kind of speaking her truth of like last daughter's words.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and you know she's ready for camera. I mean
I think, like, you know, we all crave aproval of
the parent, and he bounced for another movie star who, frankly,
like Debbie Reynolds and Elizabeth Taylor, honestly kind of look alike,
like they have a similar vibe of like the fifties.
I disagree. I just think it's that thing where it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're seeing someone from the past and you guys are like.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They do look pretty alike, like if the people in
the past were like, oh my god, Elizabeth Taylor is
an insane, dark, exotic Egyptian brunette, and like Debbie Reynolds
is the whitest, most all American pinched nose, and you're
kind of like, I don't know, they look kind of
similar to me, but like, you know, it is obviously
very sad to see your dad leave your mom. But
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I think the reality is he was never around that
much and he wasn't a great dad. And of course,
I mean it's similar to share.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's like, I mean, Debbie Darling wasn't even around them much.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It's like the daughter is always gonna be daddy's little
girl and love her dad and want her dad to
love her back, even if he's like a shitty dad
and never showing.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Up, and you always want daddy's approval. Yeah, but it
is this thing that's like you're in competition with the wife.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't even know if she really felt like she
was so in competition with Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I think it's for attention, though it's not even Elizabeth Taylor.
It's all the women. Yeah, okay, I want to quiz
you a little bit on the family connections here.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, suck it to me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Okay, So, who did Eddie Fisher mary after Elizabeth Taylor
rejected him? Oh, who's the mother.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Of actress of actress Jolie Fisher was in Ellen Ellen? Yeah? Yeah?
Oh fuck, I fully don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Connie Stevens.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, it was like also like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, it's like also like a girl of the day
who sang songs. I was listening to Eddie Fisher and
it is just like he was much more like sealss Sinatra.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but he was just pumping him out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He was pumping out the kids.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And he had a contract with Coca Cola, and she
was like, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Had five cents every bottle of the Palisades Bottling Company,
so he was set for life.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's funny the way that like, you know, the old
studios and the old companies, they almost were acting like
old monarchies of the past, and the way that they
were patronizing the arts. It was just like they supported
an artist from like cradle to like their retirement. They
were really just like we are building up her artists.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
They're like, you're a tide gal. You're a tide gal,
and you're a cokeman.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
You're cokeman. You're a cokeman for life.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And she's a wonderbred child.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So Debbie Reynolds was in one of my favorite Sinatra films,
The Tender Trap, which is just kind of a classic
fifties rom com and Debbie never got with Sinatra, and
what I love about Debbie Reynolds and like relate to
her so much, which I think is also why like
Carrie Fisher is kind of like so funny, is like
they are both stars, but at the end of the day,
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they're also kind of just like fans of Hollywood and
Debbie Reynolds, which I didn't know. She had the biggest
collection of Hollywood memorabilia ever, like literally b red.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Slip slippers, Marilyn Monroe's subway dress.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Literally the subway try the.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Most iconic things and this broke my heart.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, she went into debt getting them, and she like
tried like ten times to have a museum and the
Academy rejected her. And then of course she died one
day after Carrie Fisher in twenty sixteen, and then the
Academy Museum opens up in twenty twenty one, which she
went to, which I went to, which was wonderful, But
now I'm like mad at them, but they did honor her.
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There is I guess, like they have a PLOQ that's
like the Debbie Reynolds, like she's our honorary like costume
conservatoire next to like the Shirley Temple Education Center, the
Academy museum was beautiful and stunning, and like, it's really
cool to see all those costumes.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Okay, are you going to quit something else that I
can actually go?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Okay, who did Carrie's daughter Billy Lord date?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh wait? He was like the son of someone. Yes,
that's as far as I remember, like Elizabeth Taylor's.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He's Elizabeth Taylor's like great grandson.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, so they're not related. But it's weird because in.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The book she's just like, are they related? Is the incest?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
What's going on here? Okay? One more? Who is the
name of Debbie Reynolds And what did he do? Second
husband after?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Okay, he was a shoe tycoon and as Carrie Fischer says,
two words that should never go together, and he was
this like rich shoe tycoon and he was boring. I
love the part where she was just like he would
walk around the house farting, which provided endless amusement for
me and my brother Todd.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I also love it's very old fashioned way where she
was like he was an ugly man, but he was
distinguished and he was always and monogrammed everything, and I
didn't find him ugly. I was kind of like I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This guy's kind of like bub Well. I like when
she says my stepfather was distinguished looking. That's ugly with money.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, So if we get into Carrie's like twenties, let's.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Talk about Star Wars. Let's talk about it. So she
made Star Wars when she was nineteen, which I did
not know she was that young. That's crazy young.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It is young. It's crazy these stars.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And she seems so like already worldly, which I guess
is because she's everyonellld's daughter. But like in that movie,
she doesn't seem to me like a naive young star list.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I was getting gifted a vibrator at age thirteen by
Debbie Reynolds, and Debbie Reynolds was being like, let's smoke pot,
here's a vibrator. You're at the parties, please.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Went she was my mother's closet was a magical place
where she entered his mom and emerges Heavie Reynolds. And
she thought, maybe one day I'll get enormous breasts as
I watched my mom lift up her huge fun bags
to wash underneath farm.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because I don't think of like Debbie reynlds as so
like big.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Tittied, but she's like all the waste like big tall.
It's like they're big enough, like they're proportionately big.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
They are, and speaking of tall, Okay, this is just
so seventies as a star Wars head, did you know
the whole thing about how Princess Leah like doesn't wear
a bra?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I did it. Obviously it makes sense because like so
there's this whole scene where she comes in and she's like,
I want to wear.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
A bra, and then Lucas is like, it doesn't make
sense because in another.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Galax scene in space, they don't have bras, and she's
just like, oh, excuse me, You've done the research. So
they do all this other stuff in space, but they
don't wear bras, Like.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's the one thing you're holding on too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I do think that it would be distracting to see
just like such a wonderbra like through the dress, Like
it would feel too of frankly of des eve.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, but think about Barbarella and she's like in a
bullet bra basically, but that's like the top is the bra. Okay,
George Lucas.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like I'm seeing seeing a bra underneath the like toga
dress would feel too anachronistic because the toga is like
an ancient Greek reference.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Totally. Oh and let me guess, would you want Harrison
Ford and No One to wear?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Oh? I'd be very happy if Harrison was very known
that it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Seemed like he had some brief song in that film.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Did it? But you weren't seeing visible panty lines.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm saying there are other bras. I think there's a
difference between wearing like a on like Macy's Bally underwear.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Bra well, but she ended up wearing like tape Like yeah,
they would just supporting. It wasn't like the fun bags
were so loosen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And then in the documentary, like she's like out a
con and she's signing this woman dressed as Princess Leah's
like autograph and she's like, I like your costume next time,
don't wear a bra.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah. So very similar to Miria Martin Leiz. I feel
like she has this thing where she's just like, yep,
Star Wars ruined my life, Thank you, George Lucas, But
unlike Miriam where it's like her book where she's like
thank you JK rallying, you made me a gazillionaire and
now like seven year olds come up to me forever
for the fact that I was in thirty seconds of
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a movie and it's the only thing anyone will ever
remember about me. Like Carrie Fishers a little bit more
like a she's talking about stars a lot, B Like
she obviously does enjoy it and think it's fun, but
like she is acknowledging that it's like it is a curse.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It really is. I thought of Miria Murgles so much,
but I was like, it's different because I think Princess
Leah is more of an icon than.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Like Professor Sprout chessor Sprout. I mean, she's also a
very big part of the movie, like yeah, and so
it's like and she's also you know, she's a feminist.
I mean she is, like, yes, she's a princess who
inherited her title, but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
As strong as this kind of shaking nerd at the concept.
She's a strong woman who speaks her mind.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I mean, and we love our worrior queens throughout history,
from Mary, Queen of Scots to Princess Leah's Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I also think because it's like JK. Rowling is such
a like terf Miriam Murgerley's is gonna be a little
more like fuck JK Rowling.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
She doesn't really even say fuck JAK though she's not
gonna get into it because she thinks Harry Potter's embarrassing. Yeah,
she thinks as gringe what she is, although she did
in that recent interview say that really funny thing where
she was like, I can't believe people have Harry Potter weddings.
It's so nnoying.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And she has gone off on JK a little bit.
But Carrie for a long time, I think like was like,
I'm not going to go to these cons and then
gave in.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, she was like needed the money after Debbie Reynolds
had to like auction off the rest as the fucking
Maryland dress. So an interesting thing I learned about the
movie Little Insider Trivia Vera that she keeps talking about
in this book is this like acting training that she
had about articulation where she had to say this like
very long, wait, do you have the line about the
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proper cup of coffee pot? It's probably a little earlier.
She learned this very kind of like actors like tongue
twister to help you enunciate, and it helped her say
all of like the most intense Star Wars lines. Okay,
all I want is a proper cup of coffee made
in a proper copper coffee pot. You can believe it
(32:58):
or not, but I want a cup of coffe from
a proper copper pot. Tin coffee pots or iron coffee pots.
They're not good to me. If I can't have a
proper cup of coffee from a proper copper coffee pot,
I'll just have tea. All I want is a proper
cup of coffee made it a proper copper coffee pot.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Okay, but you try it, okay, m All I want
is a proper cup of coffee made in a proper
copper coffee pot. You can believe it or not, but
I want a cup of coffee from a proper copper pot.
Tin coffee pots or iron coffee pots, they're not good
to me. If I can't have a proper cup of
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coffee from a proper copper coffee pot, I'll just have tea.
All I want is a proper cup of coffee made
in a proper coffee pot. You can believe it or not,
but I want a cup of coffee from a proper
copper pot tore it up.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So she says, like some of the lines in Star
Wars that you don't even think about, actually what tongue
tisters there they are. But when she he's like, you
think that bucket of both will get past the blockade,
like when she's talking about the Mllniam Falcon not being
able to get out of tattoo ween or no, they're
already at a tattooed network, but like it is very
tumb twister, and she like nails those iconic lines.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Pardon me, George, Could this be the deanga Poo poo.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Of the Dianaga?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, see, I've only seen one. Another thing she did
to train, which I was obsessed with, is she goes
to this like midtown shooting range that was ezy and
former cops, which I was like, that's actually so modern.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Wait I was thinking about this. I was like, wait,
we do. And she like becomes friends with this ex
cop who like is teaching her crazy not to.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Be so like tried like girls were real chemo ons
and go toe. But I was like, it's crazy that
we haven't I've shot a gun once in New Hampshire
or why would did like disc shooting.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Twenty two rifle. Yeah, I shot twenty two as a
camp but I also shot a s once with the
boy Scouts, which was crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Darb beeps that not today, but I okay.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
First of all, I was shocked that the blasters in
Star Wars were shooting blanks. I'm just like, it's a
gun with like the special effects. Is that shooting lasers?
I can't believe they actually had them shoot blanks.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Paging fucking Alex Baldwin.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But that's so real, and that's what makes Star Wars amazing. Yes,
I will nerd out on NSA. It's like Star Wars
shot with miniature. It's like, that's why it all looks
so good because it was real. The reason it looks
good when Lea's shooting is because she's actually shooting blanks.
Out have a fucking gun.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
No, that was why I was shook after years of resisting,
and then I watched it and I was like, oh,
this is beautiful, and I actually want to go to
the Star Wars bar recreation.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Of like the Mosley Canteen.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, and I was like this is iconic. Another hilarious
line in here. So after she goes to the shooting range.
She's like, what if we had a day where Chewbacca
got a had a spa day and we all went
shopping with Archie D two.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She was like, what about the shopping on Tattooin? I
would wait die.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I used to have this fantasy that in some distant
Star Wars sequel, we'd finally stop all the shooting and
screaming at each other. We go to a shopping and
beauty planet where the Stormtroopers would have to get facials
and Shobac would have to get petticures and bikini and
eyebrow axes. I felt at some point that I should
get Okay, fine, maybe not equal time, but just a
few scenes where we all did a lot of girly things.
(36:26):
Imagine the shopping we might have done on Tattoon or
a little Death Star souvenir shop where you could get
T shirts that said my parents got the Force and
jumped to light speed and all I got was this
slousy T shirt, or my boyfriend blue Job of the Hut,
and all I got, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
You get my drift, my boyfriend blue Job of the Hut.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I read that I screamed aloud, we need to make
my boyfriend of the Hut me in twenty twenty five
making the fan Star Wars merch. Don't mind if I do.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Are there insane Star Wars trivianum that came up in
this book that Jodie Foster was up for Lea?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That was crazy?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I guess I can?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And be it total? I think our entire world history
would be changed.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Literally because like maybe she wouldn't have then made Taxi
Driver or was texted her before.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Tys Driver was before, and Carrie talks about using I
think one of the shooting trainers from Taxi Driver.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Would she end up with Alexandra Hettison?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah? Can you imagine if she wasn't with Alexandra Hettison?
The lesbian world would never be the same. The L
word would have never happened? Right?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Would the planet exist? Because this book is very the
chart by starting out with this nineteen fifties try.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
But I think what I love about Kray Fisher, So
she talks in this book how she's like when they
first like suggest the Leyah buns to her, the hairstyle,
She's ugh, She's just like so I did weigh one
o five, but I carried fifty of those pounds in
my face, so they gave me a hairstyle that made
my face even wider. But I kind of think that,
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like her face is so perfect because she is like
kind of girl next door in this way where she's
intimidated by a little bit Taylor, but like it has
this like it does have a little bit of a
knowingness to it. She's got like deep smart eyes. But
she also has a softness to the face that Jodie
Foster does not have. Jodie Foster is too much of
an ingreenou.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, Jodi Foster has the like, shit, I'm just a
little girl who's a model in Oh my god, now
I'm doing haro random shit.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, it's like too intimidating. Carrie Fisher is still like
approachable in this way. I think the part that's like
regal about her is the fact that she actually is
Hollywood royalty and she has all this world weariness in
her eyes well.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And the weariness comes across when she's like singing with
her mom in this old footage again in this amazing
bright light stock and she's singing with her mom and
her voice is like so soulful and low and like
her voices in the sane and amazing, and I would
feel the same if I was Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds
was like, my greatest sorrow is you didn't become a
nightclub act.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah. Period, see, but you know, obviously she went on
to do very important things. But if my daughter had
like a sultry low voice, I would also be like.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Girl, girl, you need to get out there.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And it's so cute and she still has it when
they're like after Debbie Reynolds gets that like Lifetime Achievement award, right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
She's like shaking and up to the screeners and she's like,
where are we going? Yeah, And Carrie Fisher sings with
her and she still has this beautiful voice. And Debbie Reynolds,
I mean, she's gigging in Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Till like literally at Mohegan Sun.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Till her last moment, and like the entire audience is
also one hundred and two years old, and she's not
a scooter and Debbie Reynolds, it is not a scooter.
And they're being like, don't.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Diire, it's so great gardens, Like the movie is crazy,
We'll stop talking about it, But you guys just need
to go watch and.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We'll get into like their dueling houses.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I love when she goes on her honeymoon in Jerusalem
with her gay husband and runs into her rabbi. X
oh no, it's Paul Simon. So she marries Paul Simon
before she marries the gay guy, and she and Paul
Simon go on their honeymoon in Jerusalem, and then Paul
Simon and her getting a fight about Palestine, and she's
just like, if you ever have the chance to watch
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your current husband and your ex guy who she lost
her virginity to, by the way, and she's like, so
then he became a rabbi and moved to Jerusalem and
had five kids and had ten kids. Just like, wow,
I always think that could have been me.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Nothing when I read that, because this is like announced
after her second husband is gay. Nothing is more fagag
than the guy you lose your virtunity to to become
an Orthodox rabbi and then the guy you have a
kid with turns out to be gay.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm saying Olympic level.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And then gay dying in your bed? What girl's bed
do you want to die in?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh my god, stop stop campaigning, Lily. It's not going
to be you.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I'm like buying new sheets. I'm like Stephen, I just
got parachutes. Want to come and test them?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I know. I mean it needs to be like satin
like silk sheets. It needs to be like because her
bed is so gay man and it is so like
it's so.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Like fan fan and pink and like, yeah, she has
this room. It's meant to be laiden for twelve to
eighteen hours a day, so you know it's gonna be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah she no. I mean her style is very AIDS adjacent.
We can get into that in segments. Yeah, I want
to say so. I love how she ends the book.
So she literally recites the help me Obi wan Kenobi,
You're my only hope speech, and she like gives you
the whole thing. And this is what I love at
her being like, I know you got it, you know
from Star Wars. I'm gonna give you Star Wars. And
then she goes still to this day, I can't forget
(41:38):
that fucking hologram speech. And that's why I did dope.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's kind of cool that she's like a lifelong and
drug addict in this way. That's like, yeah, I do
do drugs. Yeah whatever, what are you gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Do about it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, she is also very allaed to be like she says,
saying you're in alcoholics anonymous is also like saying you
live in Los Angeles and you're from California.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, Okay, Nicky Glazer, I just want to.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Read before we get a segment. It's this one line
by Debbie Reynolds after Carrie Fisher gets left by her
gay husband. You know, dear, we've had every sort of
man in our family. We've had horse thieves and alcoholics
and one man bands, but this is our first homosexual
just being like you did it, because Debbie reynolds whole
joke is that just like every husband first stole her money,
(42:26):
and she was like, you brought something new to the family.
You got left by a gay guy.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Okay guy, And.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's why we're just two women living side by side,
and our perspective.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Insane house is sane. Debbie dies day after the day after,
Like that is such a beautiful cosmic connection that they have,
even though it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I think it shows like pets, people hang on, yes,
And I think she was hanging on to do one
more casino that Carrie could come and do with her.
It's so sad. She was so funny and she left
us way too young, and like she loved her daughter,
who I found out major in art and business as religion.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Let's just say that phrase once again. She went to Gallatin,
my alma mater MU.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
And major art and business as religion.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So let's let that all the way space for her concentration,
as we call it, the community.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're entering Gallatin this maybe you're joining winter semester. I
want to change majors? Take that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
What does she eat?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
How does she okay? How does she live? She has
a room in her house that she calls the Ugly
Painting Room. That's like all these kind of like.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We've seen the docs, so this isn't really conjecture. This
is just describing the documentary. So it's like a ranch
to the house, but it has like all these like
vaulted ceilings in this kind of like medieval way, and
then there's the beams like it is a fab house.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
And again it was Betty Davis's house, Darling.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And it's super cooky, funky. There are like road signs
really I saw that. I turned to Monkey's pause coming
out of there. I mean, it's your dream, it's my
dream home.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I church of mine. I was like, this is gonna
be our house. It's half of a horse's ass into
a wall.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I'm just like so many times I's like no
dumping and.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
No police crossing, and then it's like this is Richard Dreyfus,
This an ugly little Dutch boy.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, but I do love that mix of like old
Renaissance paintings and then like movie star prints framed in
metallic frames, which we're obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
As I just got my creepy childhood drawing in a
metallic frame, and you just got a metallic frame.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I just got metallic frames up the homes. I mean,
I guess like the part that's the most great guard
is like the piano covered and framed photos of like
family members and all movie stars.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Because then like Debbie's house is so covered in frames, yes,
because her house has like pockets of Debbie where then
that Debbie's house is just entirely frames, like old frame
photos and like Chinsey fabric. Right, it's being more fabulous
Grandma Hollywood, where she like won't sell the Ocean's eleven
rat pat costumes, and she's being like, these are my boys,
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which was.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It was crazy, it was crazy beautiful and so me, yeah, these.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Are my boys. But right, it's like she has kind
of some parts of her house that are also kind
of a dobo.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yes, yes, you're right, if.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I may, but then also like early slim sub zero
with Okay, what is she eating? I mean coke, coc cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's not clear what else she's eating, but like she
probably is she is because she is like the scene
what she needs her dad. She's kind of like huge, Yeah,
filmed at a different.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Time, fluctuating, and in the book, she talks about how
her mother felt betrayed when she cooked a meal.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Her mother was so like, we're not we don't eat,
we're movies start movie starts.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We don't like slave over a stove, like we're going
to Gallas movies. She makes us to fla at one point, Wait,
I think she's like is like whipping up a random
Julia Child recipe, like in a manic state, as she
calls herself hypomanic.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean it was seeing shades
of me in her a little bit with the just
like it's ten PM, I'm gonna cook this whole chicken dinner,
and then like she's eating the entire thing over the
course of the next day.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's very the substance also just like bones everywhere. Yeah,
I think it's like shades of you words manic ten
PM complicated recipe. It's not like day by day she's
making a bull and a cucumber solid.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
It's like but then the assistants are filling up the
fridge with like yoga and berries and granola and like
normal stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, she's having like a bowl of like special K.
I don't know, she's so nineties. She's having a bowl
of like special K blueberries.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I guess I think she's more like granola because I
think the assistants are buying the more modern food. Although
this is like in the two thousands, so maybe there's
some special K in there.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
But right maybe it's like a more modern I feel
like it's like Elizabeth's granola, Brad's organ.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, because she's kind of like funky Cambridge mom.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I saw her half sister, Tricia Lee Fisher, who's the
full sister of Jolie Fisher. Of course she was performing
at that amazing celebrity jazz club. I went to an
La Vibrato when I was in La.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Risha Fisher is a jazzist.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, okay, and she was performing on things get here.
I went the day after her, I guess I went
on Friday and I saw like.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, almost like you're her half sister.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Basically half sisters. What does she wear?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's a little QVC like in the.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
It's kind of like larger music teacher stuff, yeah, which
is like leopard flats leggings, big button down yeah, and like.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
A lot of like roomy black with like bell sleeves
and then like maybe like a red collar that has
music notes on it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
And then like you know, her vibe is very I think,
go back to our impression fright. Her vibe to me
is very the awesome woman who works at the Burster's office.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
No, when there's like a Doe badmin woman that has
your back, Yeah, and she's like, hun, let me see
what I can do.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, click click click click.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Because she has like red hair, and it's that red
that is very like nineties mom red. Like yes, it's
o kind of this deep, it's faux apple. It's like
this macintoshie kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Red or what you're calling the color of the year,
like burgundy.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, it's very different than that color of the year.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
It is like nineties sitcom like soft maroon.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Was what I said, Mom red and she has Sharon Osbourne.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yes, and she was in rehab with Ozzie and she
was like, yeah, that went well, that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
The line where she talks about fucking herself with the
princess leos the princes, Yeah, she's like, guess the doll
was straight. Yeah, the hand broke off all fingering me. Hello, okay,
who are you in the bug? I do think my
like humor is a little more Carrie, but I think
(49:32):
I'm more Debbie going into debt buying ruby red slippers.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, I do see it as like an unwieldly large
collection of memorabilia.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, the part where she's really sobbing and like can't
sell her rat pack memorabilia and she's like, I can't
see it go. Yeah, They're like you need to sell that, babe.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, And I guess I definitely see shades of my
own mania and Carrie Fisher, but also like a funkiness
and like a willingness to get on a.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Bed m yeah, and live and live, Live, Live and
live life. I have this book kind of like four
point seven yokes out of five, Like I was laughing aloud.
I mean, it is a memoir. It's very short because
it is more of like a one woman show book,
like humorous take.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I will go ahead and give this book four point
five heart attacks in an aviation space. I feel like,
you know, it was funny. I was listening to my
friend and he was just like, oh, like, she keeps
going on and on about Carrie Grant for like forty
five minutes and the story is not going anywhere. And
I was like, yes, But I was like, but you know,
from the perspective of someone who reads a ton of memoirs,
(50:44):
I so appreciate that she is like not doing the
tried and true same stupid whate was me like annoying,
like self righteous arc and like.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Right, she spends as much time on like her marriage
to Paul Simon, which was very heartbreaking, as much time
as the Carry Grant story, which I found hilarious and
for us old Hollywood buffs, it's actually pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But I just loved the kind of general self effacing
tone and her willingness to be super sassy and just
call herself a faghag a million times. And it was
a joy. And I think the Company Woman show is
a joy, and the doc is a joy in her
whole her tone is a joy.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Just her kind of knowledge about herself. Yeah, I think
just the self awareness is really fun. Yeah, so Carrie,
we miss you.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
And you know, as to whether or not I would
ever get electric shock therapy one day the jury is out.
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You don't need it.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I don't need it and I don't want it. You
need something else for sure, And I just think it's terrifying.
But she's a big proponent of it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well I think it does work for the severely depressed
as kind of a last ditch effort. But yeah, I
just thought it was so fun, so wonderful, and I just.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Love being reminded of her contributions to the American canon.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, I love kind of the way her time in
her career just kind of like and then postcards. I
forgot it anyway, Yeah, that humility, let me tell you,
just like a funny story about Star Wars, not kind
of drone on about.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah. And also let's not forget she was the friend
in when Harriet me and Sally and she's so good
in that.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, they're kind of a family of friends because Jolie
Fisher is the friend in Ellen. It's kind of like,
oh yeah, it is very friend family. It's being the
funny girl with a lot of hair, yeah, and being
a brunette.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes. So cheers to l Burnettes. We love you, okay,
best best.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
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Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini's.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity Poof Club.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poof Club.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'll tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No
boys are a loud cleo. Say it loud and poud,
celebrity pook club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
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Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Happy New Year to all my new club kids and old.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Even though technically we probably I'm sure like last week
said happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, I've for three weeks now and it's only February. However,
we don't judge you if you haven't taken down your
Christmas tree yet.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, sorry, I'm a type B person. I haven't taken
down my This.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Is actually a really interesting question. What do you think
is the latest possible time to take down a Christmas tree?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
My tree is not down right now, neither is mine.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Cool, and it's like getting the stage where it's like,
I know it's gonna happen this week.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is that because you're gonna feel weird if it's up
for too long.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's because it's getting to like a little bit droop
city the tree itself is, even though her it's still smell.
I walked by yesterday and I said, damn, girl, you
still got it. My mother went on a date with
an old Greek man once and he had his Christmas
tree up year.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Route well, as the Gretchen Wilson song goes, I keep
my Christmas lights on the front porch all year long,
So there's kind of like a that's when you have
a fake tree pried in that. Yeah, I mean obviously
the real tree it's getting brown. Yes, So it's like
I just some of those heavier ornaments might start falling
and that becomes a safety hazard.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And then it's for young children and pats and cats
and iguanas. I just don't want a good place where
it's so droopy that that is just like really sad. Yeah,
and it's just like wow, and it's a little more
like mother's been sleeping all day.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, Oh, I'll get to it. Sad. Yeah, I have
to say, I was in Vermont this weekend and I
was in a kind of what I'm calling the Hamptons
of Vermont now, which is Stow, which I didn't really
realize was like so fancy, but their whole like downtown
was still Christmas lighted up, and it was so nice
(02:30):
and magical to be in a snowcovered town and see
all the lights. And I was like, I'm glad they're
not like ripping them off on January first, because like,
I think there's still a time and a place for
this kind of magical winter moment with all the lights.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm fully with you. I think maybe take the trade
out if it's drooping, but I think there's no reason
we shouldn't have lights up all winter because people can
get so sad, it can be such a dark time,
and people enjoy the lights, yes so much. Keep lights up.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, I mean the concept of like a light in
the darkness during this very dark time time. I think
that is.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And the snow happens more in your January and your February,
and it's like, how beautiful to step out and see
these lights when you're having a beautiful weekend with ten
gay men at a resort.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, so I think I am in your camp of
like when the tree starts to go put her out
of her misery. Yeah, but let's enjoy the lights during
the sum of darkness.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And I guess also I'm supposed to get some sort
of like tree bag to put it outside.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I just saw a couple of loose trees on the
curb today. I didn't see anyone using the specialty bag.
I've got a sort of biodegradable or like.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's like a like my super like usually comes with
like a bag and.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He like wraps her up, and it's different than a
garbage bag.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's a really big bag. Oh, the bag is so
u so Yeah, I'm gonna say goodbye this week and
probably you know, make a meal, put on some music,
make it still ritualistic. I just received some very old
ground beef and frozen of course, darling, and maybe I'll
(04:06):
make a beautiful January meat loaf as they take down
the old tree.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Subscription box go out of business, like it's like.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I received it from a heterosexual elder in my neighborhood
who was clearing out their freezer. Also knows my girlfriend's
mom because we were helping her pack, and she said,
do you want any meat? And I said, you know it, bitch,
I pulled up with my sack, throw her in.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What beef? Enderson? Was she hearing you?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It was straight up your classic moo moo beef.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Nice cow. Okay, I expect to be eating a delicious
chili at your home in three to six months, Oh girl.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Come on over. Yeah, I'm gonna do a June chili.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kick off the season.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, you guys, as we are saying goodbye to Christmas
and Holidays and that time of mirth, we also are
saying goodbye and hello and then goodbye again to one
of Hollywood's brightest lights, if you.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Will, and someone of legacy, Yes, someone who went too.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Fast, someone who embodies old Hollywood, younger Hollywood, medium Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, you said it perfectly. I would say she's one
of the pillars of even kind of having a memoir.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, in terms of like self narrativizing and kind.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Of like obsessed with her own lore. She kind of
invented being obsessed with her own lore.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And how could you not be when you have her lore?
But I would be and sort of being both blast
and cursed by this male storm of celebrity.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Addiction, fame, infidelity.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Talent, absolute raw talent. I think she's someone who like
really tells the story of culture and America over the
course of several decades because she so embodies old Hollywood
and she so embodies like hippy dippy New Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And she's so both so Buddha. Yes, yet she is
also someone so of the rat pack Carrie Grant, Yeah,
Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
To give a hint, She's just such a singular finger
and also is in possibly the most biggest movie of
all time wearing no brath. Of course, you know her
as Princess Leah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know her as Jebbie Reynolds's daughter, the one, the
only Carrie Fisher and her book Wishful Drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Which is also a one woman show.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Streaming on HBO Max.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And she performed this show around the country for sometime.
I actually saw it with my mother I'm so jealous
Box when I was in high school. Do you want
to see that? And it was so this fun admission
of like her being the mommy dearest figure and being like,
I feel like we have this kind of crazy mother
daughter relationship. Should we go see a one woman show
(07:06):
about a crazy mother daughter relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's like an insane route to be like, Okay, I'm
ind minting, I'm like a fifties icon who like loves
to like drink and be fabulous, and you're my like
crazy daughter.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I mean just the
choice alone for her to take me.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
To that was such a like because had you gone
kind of to the theater just you two?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I can't remember if there had been a time when
just the two of us saw something together. I remember
her taking me and my friend Ben to see Mom
and Mia.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, right, basically kind of chauffeuring a date. In a way,
this book made me think of how I went with
my mother also singular, and I guess more less kind
of that, more just being like, I'm a divorced mom
who's taking my like retro child to a movie. We
want to go see a screen named Cleopatra at the
Wang Theater. Oh anyway, Wang girls, shout out to my
(07:57):
Wang girls something with the if you haven't been, get
your ass.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's definitely the most beautiful theater of Monstone. Not heavy competition, but.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Have you been to the Stoneham Theater where I saw
All Boundstone? But I mean seeing such a glorious movie.
And of course Cleopatra comes up so much in this
book because it is where Elizabeth Taylor met Richard Burton
and thus left Eddie Fisher, who had thus just left
Debbie Reynolds, Carrie's mother and father.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it's crazy, the tangled web of adult tree and
passion that she was the product of.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's so fab the way she describes what happens. So
if we just go back and break it down. So
Eddie Fisher crooner.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Nineteen fifties, krooner, not someone that I think is such
a household name today, but as described in the documentary
Bright Lights, which I watched this night to sit, she's
so insane in so grey gardens and like touching and.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Crazy full and hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And it's about Debbie Reynolds and Cary Fisher, like living
next door to each.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
In like these ranch houses, one that Betty Davis used
to live in, and.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
They're just like in so many silk robes. They have
so many dogs, and they're always just like singing to
each other and like not listening to each other, but
talking to each other endlessly.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wait, I just realized something. It was made by the
same people who made the Chaz documentary that I was
talking about her Share episode, and it has these same
kind of shots of like Chaz Bonos sphinxes and then
the same shots of the French bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean close up of a pat is kind of
an easy run around to show that your like subject
is deranged.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Eccentric, because it's like the dog is always there, is.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Always there, and there's always got the tongue out, and
you're like, it's a senectady for the person's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It was crazy to me. Kind of also see like
so much of like Debbie Reynolds young and being kind
of like hot girl next door.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I know, because we think of always like Will's mom unwilling.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Or just like my favorite movie Mother, which I watched
so many times as a kid, not the.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Darren Aronofsky Jennifer Lawrence film.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, Mother's about Debbie Reynolds and Albert Brooks, and it's
about a guy in his forties who gets divorced and
moves back in with his mother. Oh, and she's being
so old ground beef and he's being so like, what's
the deal with this? And he's unpacking all of his
seventies like stuff and blasting music, and she's being fabulous,
and like he's being kind of like nostalgic, divorced sad.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Interesting, Okay, it's kind of be like that with you
and your mom, but like reversed.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I guess, oh, yes, the dolls. I have the dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I'm like, you're kind of the on teammate now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And she's driving and being like one of these dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So Debbie Reynold's singing in the rain, Mama, Okay, she's
super famous. She's absolutely from the past, and like she
was snatched as she was so.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Snatched and she really was more girl next to and
so Carrie basically compares Eddie and Debbie, and then Eddie
leaving Debbie for Elizabeth, who was of course the dark
beauty to Brad John and Angelina.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And so I listened to this book on tape, as
some of us still say in our industry.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And I've read the book on the most battered, water
logged copy of a book I've ever read.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I've ever seen it more.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'll post it. It's moldy, it's dirty. I don't know
how it got that way. I'm weird.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So she performs this book very one woman showyche you know,
she's want to say, fifty two at the time of recording,
and she talks kind of like this, talking kind of
like this, and she's like, okay, so imagine this. Are
you sitting down? Okay? You got my mother, you got
my father? Okay. So maybe it's a little bit like
(11:52):
Brad and Jennifer Aniston America Sweet america'art. Well, she's not
so like big a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Oh no, no, no, sorry, let's play it back to
your share impression.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh so last stop, back up? Who needs to real
it in it's just like it's a little more like
you know, forty is she and she's like okay. And
then Elizabeth Taylor is the Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I guess your impression to me is it's getting more rama.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm not making it that Jewels.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You're like and look and here, and Debbie Reynolds give.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Me the book. Let me read a passage and the
way I think it's meant to be read.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Okay, please, let's see competition and then you can you
go back to the tapes.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All right. So up at the top left of the chart,
we have Eddie and Debbie in the fifties, they were
known as America's sweethearts. Now, if you are too young
to relate to any of this, try and think of
it this way. Think of Eddie as Brad Pitt, and
Debbie has Jennifer Aniston, and Elizabeth as Angelina Jolie. Does
that help all right? So Eddie consoles Elizabeth with his penis.
(13:04):
Elizabeth takes a movie in Rome, a big budget film
called Cleopatra, and she meets her co star, Richard Burton.
So goodbye Eddie, Hello Richard. I don't think I'm doing
it that Boston Jewish.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Now I'll do mine and then we'll move on. When
I was about fifteen, my mother had started dating a
man named Bob Fallon, and my brother and I called
him bit Bob Fallis because he came equipped with exotic
creams and sex toys, you know, AFRODJX, well actually Anglo
(13:36):
dz X because we're white anyway, Thanks to Bob the Christmas,
my mother bought both my grandmother and myself vibrators. As
unusual as a gift like this sounds, you have to
admit that they are ideal stocking stuff. Harvey in the dark,
bright lights, she's smoking like every second and smoke.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And drinking full calorie Coca Cola.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And then it's always an assistant in the background, just
like opening her fridge and putting like so many wait, okay,
this scene.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Where so there's the one assistant who's like loading up
the fridge with coke, and then this is when she's
shooting the Star Wars sequels. Then there's like the trainer
that Lucasfilm sent over to try and like get her
a little less fat, is just pouring the coke out
in the sink while the assistant's like loading up the
branche in the of the room, and she's just kind
of wafting in and out of rooms in her silk
(14:30):
robe smoking.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And by the way, the way this book starts is
just to set the tone of how like dark and
just like what a fag hag she is. Her gay
dies in her.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Bed literally gold medal hag. Like she's such an insane
fag hag. And I didn't really realize it, like of course,
like growing up watching Star Wars, which I did. I
think I talked about an alec Inis episode, but I
would watch Star Wars every Saturday. There's a long period
of my life where I did this and would watch
all three movies, so I'd get up early and just
to a personal marathon, kind of like me with mother
and and I think a lot of gays and honestly
(15:06):
straight guys and just pretty much like everyone felt this
way about Princess Leiah, Like the whole country and slash
world was obsessed with her, and like you know, she
was definitely a gay icon. And she says in this book,
she's like, I have ability to make men gay. I've
gone all all over the world making men gay. Perhaps
you've met some of my handiwork.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
She has the sung right after that where she's like
talking about basically her second husband, who she has her
child with, Billy Lord, leaves her for a man named Scott,
and he's like a talent agent, and she's like, he
told me once that, like me, taking codine made him gay.
She was like, so, I could have turned on like
heavy machinery, but I'll make you gay.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's like she literally married a gay guy. And she
also had so many gay best friends, including her Republican
gay best friend who died in her bed after a
night of like coke and a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And she's being so just like Hollywood, damn, but like
middle finger about it and being like, yes, so you
guys whatever, Yes you can be a gay and a Republican.
He was the original log Cabin gay. But he was
amazing to shop with.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What's kind of funny when she said that, because she
was just like, Ah, how many gay Republicans you know
who like to do drugs? And I was like, oh, girl,
that's a pretty big thing now, yeah, a lot of them.
There's a couple random points where it really gets like
two thousand and ninety where she's just like, I'm sorry,
I'm basically like Sarah Palin but smarter, and You're like
(16:39):
that wasend.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and I'm like she's running out being like hilarious,
Sarah Palin, what a dumb ass?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Watching the doc, she's someone that like hangs out in
bed and likes her friends to hang out in bed
with her.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
She's always crying in bed. She's the kind of chill
ass celebrity who's not you'd about standing and sitting and
you know what I mean where it's like she puts
her knees up like on a chair when she's doing that,
like photo at the like Star Wars con and like
she like crawls into bed with like that guy like
Dominic Dunn's like son who she's friend Rift Griffin Done.
(17:17):
And they're like getting into bed in a London hotel
and she's like do you remember and.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's like, oh, the seventies, seventies remember it?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And she's just being kind of like chill because like,
I do feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Either so bead or so awkward about getting I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Like celebrities tend to be really awkward even just about
like sitting down, and it's very like things need to
be really like ready for them to sit and yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Have to be like on the big couch and has
to be an interview and you have to have your
big glasses.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
On, yes, and there has to be like the cup
of water that you're not going to touch is in
the right place. I mean we know as we know
as we know about water. I did see Ana Gastire
in this very room not even touching her water after
a long podcast session.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I love to rough how Kamala didn't drink her
like one inch of whiskey on that podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, And it's like Kamala so is trying to be relateable,
but you know, Kamala's not like getting in a bed.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I feel reason why on camera, why I'll never reach
a certain amount of fame, no matter the beverage, whether
it's like coffee water, your spirits, you'll down it. I
think I'll down it and not realize that it's supposed
to actually more sit there decoratively.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What I thought was so sad about the thing about
her Republican gay friend dying in her bed at a
party at her house in La after he had just
gotten back from like a Albanian election, that he was
like rigging it, she was, And of course he.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Was rigging elections Albanian as your gay does.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So the circumstances of his death, which is that he
that just like had a sleep apnea but meets drugs
induced like heart attack, which is how literally how she died.
She died like eight years later. And she makes all
these references in the book occasionally to be like and
when it's my time to go, oh honey.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
She was a prophet in many ways, like.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Knows it's coming. There's just something like, well, there's beautiful
and sad about her, like seeming that she's already okay
with it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think very like og crazy girl about her where
she kind of like knows her days are numbered, like
she you know, winter rehab in her mid twenties, as
she says, to research to write for postcards on the edge,
and then like you know, she's in and out of rehab,
she goes.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, By the Way is a great movie with
Meryl Strap and Churliy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Maclain based off her relationship with Debbie. With Debbie ret,
I kind of didn't clock that she wrote that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, she like fully wrote.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It, wrote the novel, and then they made a movie
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And also in the beginning of this book, she goes
through electroshock therapy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So that's the other big reveal about this book is
that she literally fully eternal Sunshine and herself.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And doesn't remember. Says she doesn't remember a certain amount
of things that are fuzzy.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like yeah, I mean, I think what it ends up
making this book be is like fun and self effacing
and not this like incredibly self righteous survivor's memoir that
we usually read. I was really struck by how different
this is than so many of the typical memoirs we do.
There was no like, wasn't this so awful and let
me like really show you the awful trauma of my
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drug abuse so that there can be this redemption narrative
and I can show you how brave I am. She
really doesn't talk about like the darkest depths of her
addiction at all.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
No, And I wonder if that is because this is
a one woman show that's like more.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But I also think of me because she got those
memories fried out of her.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think they were fried. I also think she's like
generally kind of a hilarious person and is a little
more just like look bitch, like, yeah it was my childhood,
like so weird. But she's also being kind of like
grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah. Well, I mean she literally says like, uh, don't
you hate when celebrities like drown on and on and
it's like who ass celebrity books?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Just to close the loop on her death, she had
like busy a heart attack on Lane and then died
at U C l A and she in her system
which is insane cocaine, heroin opiates m d m A.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, uh me after.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Just like not the MDMA on a plane.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That was when she was doing her book tour in
London and She says her father got addicted to crystal
meth because you know, when he was doing his shows,
a doctor would give him a shot and it was meth.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
This was literally just like the past. They were just
pumping everyone full of math.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And then he was like Frank Sinatra bing Crosby. They
were all just pumped full.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of speed, darling. And she's like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
my father. Then you know, he was like, oh, it's vitamins,
which is also so fifties. Ready for your vitamins, sir,
and a Coca cola.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And they like didn't tell him. Oh God. This scene
the documentary where she's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
With her dad, oh okay, we have to talk about that.
So she fits her dad. He's like ninety five, He's
had a thousand marriages. He's like the straightest man ever
because he's just like fock so many women. He's so horny.
And that's like his whole memoir, which we have to do.
But his Elton John Palm Springs ass at the end
of his life is so fab his lips plumped, he
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can hardly speak. He's wearing purple tinted glasses. His entire
house is leopard He's in leopard, and then this is
I mean, I don't relate to this as just I guess,
like not being straight. But she's very like, daddy, I
had to compete with all your other girls to be
your best girl, she says to her dad.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah. I mean he's barely like able to speak at
that point, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
She's kind of speaking her truth of like last daughter's words.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and you know she's ready for camera. I mean
I think, like, you know, we all crave aproval of
the parent, and he bounced for another movie star who, frankly,
like Debbie Reynolds and Elizabeth Taylor, honestly kind of look alike,
like they have a similar vibe of like the fifties.
I disagree. I just think it's that thing where it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're seeing someone from the past and you guys are like.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They do look pretty alike, like if the people in
the past were like, oh my god, Elizabeth Taylor is
an insane, dark, exotic Egyptian brunette, and like Debbie Reynolds
is the whitest, most all American pinched nose, and you're
kind of like, I don't know, they look kind of
similar to me, but like, you know, it is obviously
very sad to see your dad leave your mom. But
(23:38):
I think the reality is he was never around that
much and he wasn't a great dad. And of course,
I mean it's similar to share.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's like, I mean, Debbie Darling wasn't even around them much.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It's like the daughter is always gonna be daddy's little
girl and love her dad and want her dad to
love her back, even if he's like a shitty dad
and never showing.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Up, and you always want daddy's approval. Yeah, but it
is this thing that's like you're in competition with the wife.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't even know if she really felt like she
was so in competition with Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I think it's for attention, though it's not even Elizabeth Taylor.
It's all the women. Yeah, okay, I want to quiz
you a little bit on the family connections here.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, suck it to me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Okay, So, who did Eddie Fisher mary after Elizabeth Taylor
rejected him? Oh, who's the mother.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Of actress of actress Jolie Fisher was in Ellen Ellen? Yeah? Yeah?
Oh fuck, I fully don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Connie Stevens.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, it was like also like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, it's like also like a girl of the day
who sang songs. I was listening to Eddie Fisher and
it is just like he was much more like sealss Sinatra.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but he was just pumping him out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He was pumping out the kids.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And he had a contract with Coca Cola, and she
was like, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Had five cents every bottle of the Palisades Bottling Company,
so he was set for life.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's funny the way that like, you know, the old
studios and the old companies, they almost were acting like
old monarchies of the past, and the way that they
were patronizing the arts. It was just like they supported
an artist from like cradle to like their retirement. They
were really just like we are building up her artists.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
They're like, you're a tide gal. You're a tide gal,
and you're a cokeman.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
You're cokeman. You're a cokeman for life.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And she's a wonderbred child.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So Debbie Reynolds was in one of my favorite Sinatra films,
The Tender Trap, which is just kind of a classic
fifties rom com and Debbie never got with Sinatra, and
what I love about Debbie Reynolds and like relate to
her so much, which I think is also why like
Carrie Fisher is kind of like so funny, is like
they are both stars, but at the end of the day,
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they're also kind of just like fans of Hollywood and
Debbie Reynolds, which I didn't know. She had the biggest
collection of Hollywood memorabilia ever, like literally b red.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Slip slippers, Marilyn Monroe's subway dress.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Literally the subway try the.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Most iconic things and this broke my heart.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, she went into debt getting them, and she like
tried like ten times to have a museum and the
Academy rejected her. And then of course she died one
day after Carrie Fisher in twenty sixteen, and then the
Academy Museum opens up in twenty twenty one, which she
went to, which I went to, which was wonderful, But
now I'm like mad at them, but they did honor her.
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There is I guess, like they have a PLOQ that's
like the Debbie Reynolds, like she's our honorary like costume
conservatoire next to like the Shirley Temple Education Center, the
Academy museum was beautiful and stunning, and like, it's really
cool to see all those costumes.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Okay, are you going to quit something else that I
can actually go?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Okay, who did Carrie's daughter Billy Lord date?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh wait? He was like the son of someone. Yes,
that's as far as I remember, like Elizabeth Taylor's.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He's Elizabeth Taylor's like great grandson.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, so they're not related. But it's weird because in.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The book she's just like, are they related? Is the incest?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
What's going on here? Okay? One more? Who is the
name of Debbie Reynolds And what did he do? Second
husband after?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Okay, he was a shoe tycoon and as Carrie Fischer says,
two words that should never go together, and he was
this like rich shoe tycoon and he was boring. I
love the part where she was just like he would
walk around the house farting, which provided endless amusement for
me and my brother Todd.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I also love it's very old fashioned way where she
was like he was an ugly man, but he was
distinguished and he was always and monogrammed everything, and I
didn't find him ugly. I was kind of like I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This guy's kind of like bub Well. I like when
she says my stepfather was distinguished looking. That's ugly with money.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, So if we get into Carrie's like twenties, let's.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Talk about Star Wars. Let's talk about it. So she
made Star Wars when she was nineteen, which I did
not know she was that young. That's crazy young.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It is young. It's crazy these stars.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And she seems so like already worldly, which I guess
is because she's everyonellld's daughter. But like in that movie,
she doesn't seem to me like a naive young star list.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I was getting gifted a vibrator at age thirteen by
Debbie Reynolds, and Debbie Reynolds was being like, let's smoke pot,
here's a vibrator. You're at the parties, please.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Went she was my mother's closet was a magical place
where she entered his mom and emerges Heavie Reynolds. And
she thought, maybe one day I'll get enormous breasts as
I watched my mom lift up her huge fun bags
to wash underneath farm.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because I don't think of like Debbie reynlds as so
like big.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Tittied, but she's like all the waste like big tall.
It's like they're big enough, like they're proportionately big.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
They are, and speaking of tall, Okay, this is just
so seventies as a star Wars head, did you know
the whole thing about how Princess Leah like doesn't wear
a bra?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I did it. Obviously it makes sense because like so
there's this whole scene where she comes in and she's like,
I want to wear.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
A bra, and then Lucas is like, it doesn't make
sense because in another.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Galax scene in space, they don't have bras, and she's
just like, oh, excuse me, You've done the research. So
they do all this other stuff in space, but they
don't wear bras, Like.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's the one thing you're holding on too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I do think that it would be distracting to see
just like such a wonderbra like through the dress, Like
it would feel too of frankly of des eve.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, but think about Barbarella and she's like in a
bullet bra basically, but that's like the top is the bra. Okay,
George Lucas.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like I'm seeing seeing a bra underneath the like toga
dress would feel too anachronistic because the toga is like
an ancient Greek reference.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Totally. Oh and let me guess, would you want Harrison
Ford and No One to wear?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Oh? I'd be very happy if Harrison was very known
that it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Seemed like he had some brief song in that film.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Did it? But you weren't seeing visible panty lines.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm saying there are other bras. I think there's a
difference between wearing like a on like Macy's Bally underwear.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Bra well, but she ended up wearing like tape Like yeah,
they would just supporting. It wasn't like the fun bags
were so loosen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And then in the documentary, like she's like out a
con and she's signing this woman dressed as Princess Leah's
like autograph and she's like, I like your costume next time,
don't wear a bra.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah. So very similar to Miria Martin Leiz. I feel
like she has this thing where she's just like, yep,
Star Wars ruined my life, Thank you, George Lucas, But
unlike Miriam where it's like her book where she's like
thank you JK rallying, you made me a gazillionaire and
now like seven year olds come up to me forever
for the fact that I was in thirty seconds of
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a movie and it's the only thing anyone will ever
remember about me. Like Carrie Fishers a little bit more
like a she's talking about stars a lot, B Like
she obviously does enjoy it and think it's fun, but
like she is acknowledging that it's like it is a curse.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It really is. I thought of Miria Murgles so much,
but I was like, it's different because I think Princess
Leah is more of an icon than.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Like Professor Sprout chessor Sprout. I mean, she's also a
very big part of the movie, like yeah, and so
it's like and she's also you know, she's a feminist.
I mean she is, like, yes, she's a princess who
inherited her title, but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
As strong as this kind of shaking nerd at the concept.
She's a strong woman who speaks her mind.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I mean, and we love our worrior queens throughout history,
from Mary, Queen of Scots to Princess Leah's Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I also think because it's like JK. Rowling is such
a like terf Miriam Murgerley's is gonna be a little
more like fuck JK Rowling.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
She doesn't really even say fuck JAK though she's not
gonna get into it because she thinks Harry Potter's embarrassing. Yeah,
she thinks as gringe what she is, although she did
in that recent interview say that really funny thing where
she was like, I can't believe people have Harry Potter weddings.
It's so nnoying.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And she has gone off on JK a little bit.
But Carrie for a long time, I think like was like,
I'm not going to go to these cons and then
gave in.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, she was like needed the money after Debbie Reynolds
had to like auction off the rest as the fucking
Maryland dress. So an interesting thing I learned about the
movie Little Insider Trivia Vera that she keeps talking about
in this book is this like acting training that she
had about articulation where she had to say this like
very long, wait, do you have the line about the
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proper cup of coffee pot? It's probably a little earlier.
She learned this very kind of like actors like tongue
twister to help you enunciate, and it helped her say
all of like the most intense Star Wars lines. Okay,
all I want is a proper cup of coffee made
in a proper copper coffee pot. You can believe it
(32:58):
or not, but I want a cup of coffe from
a proper copper pot. Tin coffee pots or iron coffee pots.
They're not good to me. If I can't have a
proper cup of coffee from a proper copper coffee pot,
I'll just have tea. All I want is a proper
cup of coffee made it a proper copper coffee pot.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Okay, but you try it, okay, m All I want
is a proper cup of coffee made in a proper
copper coffee pot. You can believe it or not, but
I want a cup of coffee from a proper copper pot.
Tin coffee pots or iron coffee pots, they're not good
to me. If I can't have a proper cup of
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coffee from a proper copper coffee pot, I'll just have tea.
All I want is a proper cup of coffee made
in a proper coffee pot. You can believe it or not,
but I want a cup of coffee from a proper
copper pot tore it up.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So she says, like some of the lines in Star
Wars that you don't even think about, actually what tongue
tisters there they are. But when she he's like, you
think that bucket of both will get past the blockade,
like when she's talking about the Mllniam Falcon not being
able to get out of tattoo ween or no, they're
already at a tattooed network, but like it is very
tumb twister, and she like nails those iconic lines.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Pardon me, George, Could this be the deanga Poo poo.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Of the Dianaga?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, see, I've only seen one. Another thing she did
to train, which I was obsessed with, is she goes
to this like midtown shooting range that was ezy and
former cops, which I was like, that's actually so modern.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Wait I was thinking about this. I was like, wait,
we do. And she like becomes friends with this ex
cop who like is teaching her crazy not to.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Be so like tried like girls were real chemo ons
and go toe. But I was like, it's crazy that
we haven't I've shot a gun once in New Hampshire
or why would did like disc shooting.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Twenty two rifle. Yeah, I shot twenty two as a
camp but I also shot a s once with the
boy Scouts, which was crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Darb beeps that not today, but I okay.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
First of all, I was shocked that the blasters in
Star Wars were shooting blanks. I'm just like, it's a
gun with like the special effects. Is that shooting lasers?
I can't believe they actually had them shoot blanks.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Paging fucking Alex Baldwin.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But that's so real, and that's what makes Star Wars amazing. Yes,
I will nerd out on NSA. It's like Star Wars
shot with miniature. It's like, that's why it all looks
so good because it was real. The reason it looks
good when Lea's shooting is because she's actually shooting blanks.
Out have a fucking gun.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
No, that was why I was shook after years of resisting,
and then I watched it and I was like, oh,
this is beautiful, and I actually want to go to
the Star Wars bar recreation.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Of like the Mosley Canteen.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, and I was like this is iconic. Another hilarious
line in here. So after she goes to the shooting range.
She's like, what if we had a day where Chewbacca
got a had a spa day and we all went
shopping with Archie D two.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She was like, what about the shopping on Tattooin? I
would wait die.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I used to have this fantasy that in some distant
Star Wars sequel, we'd finally stop all the shooting and
screaming at each other. We go to a shopping and
beauty planet where the Stormtroopers would have to get facials
and Shobac would have to get petticures and bikini and
eyebrow axes. I felt at some point that I should
get Okay, fine, maybe not equal time, but just a
few scenes where we all did a lot of girly things.
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Imagine the shopping we might have done on Tattoon or
a little Death Star souvenir shop where you could get
T shirts that said my parents got the Force and
jumped to light speed and all I got was this
slousy T shirt, or my boyfriend blue Job of the Hut,
and all I got, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
You get my drift, my boyfriend blue Job of the Hut.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I read that I screamed aloud, we need to make
my boyfriend of the Hut me in twenty twenty five
making the fan Star Wars merch. Don't mind if I do.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Are there insane Star Wars trivianum that came up in
this book that Jodie Foster was up for Lea?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That was crazy?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I guess I can?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And be it total? I think our entire world history
would be changed.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Literally because like maybe she wouldn't have then made Taxi
Driver or was texted her before.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Tys Driver was before, and Carrie talks about using I
think one of the shooting trainers from Taxi Driver.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Would she end up with Alexandra Hettison?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah? Can you imagine if she wasn't with Alexandra Hettison?
The lesbian world would never be the same. The L
word would have never happened? Right?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Would the planet exist? Because this book is very the
chart by starting out with this nineteen fifties try.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
But I think what I love about Kray Fisher, So
she talks in this book how she's like when they
first like suggest the Leyah buns to her, the hairstyle,
She's ugh, She's just like so I did weigh one
o five, but I carried fifty of those pounds in
my face, so they gave me a hairstyle that made
my face even wider. But I kind of think that,
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like her face is so perfect because she is like
kind of girl next door in this way where she's
intimidated by a little bit Taylor, but like it has
this like it does have a little bit of a
knowingness to it. She's got like deep smart eyes. But
she also has a softness to the face that Jodie
Foster does not have. Jodie Foster is too much of
an ingreenou.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, Jodi Foster has the like, shit, I'm just a
little girl who's a model in Oh my god, now
I'm doing haro random shit.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, it's like too intimidating. Carrie Fisher is still like
approachable in this way. I think the part that's like
regal about her is the fact that she actually is
Hollywood royalty and she has all this world weariness in
her eyes well.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And the weariness comes across when she's like singing with
her mom in this old footage again in this amazing
bright light stock and she's singing with her mom and
her voice is like so soulful and low and like
her voices in the sane and amazing, and I would
feel the same if I was Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds
was like, my greatest sorrow is you didn't become a
nightclub act.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah. Period, see, but you know, obviously she went on
to do very important things. But if my daughter had
like a sultry low voice, I would also be like.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Girl, girl, you need to get out there.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And it's so cute and she still has it when
they're like after Debbie Reynolds gets that like Lifetime Achievement award, right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
She's like shaking and up to the screeners and she's like,
where are we going? Yeah, And Carrie Fisher sings with
her and she still has this beautiful voice. And Debbie Reynolds,
I mean, she's gigging in Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Till like literally at Mohegan Sun.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Till her last moment, and like the entire audience is
also one hundred and two years old, and she's not
a scooter and Debbie Reynolds, it is not a scooter.
And they're being like, don't.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Diire, it's so great gardens, Like the movie is crazy,
We'll stop talking about it, But you guys just need
to go watch and.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We'll get into like their dueling houses.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I love when she goes on her honeymoon in Jerusalem
with her gay husband and runs into her rabbi. X
oh no, it's Paul Simon. So she marries Paul Simon
before she marries the gay guy, and she and Paul
Simon go on their honeymoon in Jerusalem, and then Paul
Simon and her getting a fight about Palestine, and she's
just like, if you ever have the chance to watch
(40:04):
your current husband and your ex guy who she lost
her virginity to, by the way, and she's like, so
then he became a rabbi and moved to Jerusalem and
had five kids and had ten kids. Just like, wow,
I always think that could have been me.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Nothing when I read that, because this is like announced
after her second husband is gay. Nothing is more fagag
than the guy you lose your virtunity to to become
an Orthodox rabbi and then the guy you have a
kid with turns out to be gay.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm saying Olympic level.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And then gay dying in your bed? What girl's bed
do you want to die in?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh my god, stop stop campaigning, Lily. It's not going
to be you.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I'm like buying new sheets. I'm like Stephen, I just
got parachutes. Want to come and test them?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I know. I mean it needs to be like satin
like silk sheets. It needs to be like because her
bed is so gay man and it is so like
it's so.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Like fan fan and pink and like, yeah, she has
this room. It's meant to be laiden for twelve to
eighteen hours a day, so you know it's gonna be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah she no. I mean her style is very AIDS adjacent.
We can get into that in segments. Yeah, I want
to say so. I love how she ends the book.
So she literally recites the help me Obi wan Kenobi,
You're my only hope speech, and she like gives you
the whole thing. And this is what I love at
her being like, I know you got it, you know
from Star Wars. I'm gonna give you Star Wars. And
then she goes still to this day, I can't forget
(41:38):
that fucking hologram speech. And that's why I did dope.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's kind of cool that she's like a lifelong and
drug addict in this way. That's like, yeah, I do
do drugs. Yeah whatever, what are you gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Do about it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, she is also very allaed to be like she says,
saying you're in alcoholics anonymous is also like saying you
live in Los Angeles and you're from California.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, Okay, Nicky Glazer, I just want to.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Read before we get a segment. It's this one line
by Debbie Reynolds after Carrie Fisher gets left by her
gay husband. You know, dear, we've had every sort of
man in our family. We've had horse thieves and alcoholics
and one man bands, but this is our first homosexual
just being like you did it, because Debbie reynolds whole
joke is that just like every husband first stole her money,
(42:26):
and she was like, you brought something new to the family.
You got left by a gay guy.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Okay guy, And.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's why we're just two women living side by side,
and our perspective.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Insane house is sane. Debbie dies day after the day after,
Like that is such a beautiful cosmic connection that they have,
even though it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I think it shows like pets, people hang on, yes,
And I think she was hanging on to do one
more casino that Carrie could come and do with her.
It's so sad. She was so funny and she left
us way too young, and like she loved her daughter,
who I found out major in art and business as religion.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Let's just say that phrase once again. She went to Gallatin,
my alma mater MU.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
And major art and business as religion.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So let's let that all the way space for her concentration,
as we call it, the community.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're entering Gallatin this maybe you're joining winter semester. I
want to change majors? Take that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
What does she eat?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
How does she okay? How does she live? She has
a room in her house that she calls the Ugly
Painting Room. That's like all these kind of like.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We've seen the docs, so this isn't really conjecture. This
is just describing the documentary. So it's like a ranch
to the house, but it has like all these like
vaulted ceilings in this kind of like medieval way, and
then there's the beams like it is a fab house.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
And again it was Betty Davis's house, Darling.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And it's super cooky, funky. There are like road signs
really I saw that. I turned to Monkey's pause coming
out of there. I mean, it's your dream, it's my
dream home.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I church of mine. I was like, this is gonna
be our house. It's half of a horse's ass into
a wall.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I'm just like so many times I's like no
dumping and.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
No police crossing, and then it's like this is Richard Dreyfus,
This an ugly little Dutch boy.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, but I do love that mix of like old
Renaissance paintings and then like movie star prints framed in
metallic frames, which we're obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
As I just got my creepy childhood drawing in a
metallic frame, and you just got a metallic frame.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I just got metallic frames up the homes. I mean,
I guess like the part that's the most great guard
is like the piano covered and framed photos of like
family members and all movie stars.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Because then like Debbie's house is so covered in frames, yes,
because her house has like pockets of Debbie where then
that Debbie's house is just entirely frames, like old frame
photos and like Chinsey fabric. Right, it's being more fabulous
Grandma Hollywood, where she like won't sell the Ocean's eleven
rat pat costumes, and she's being like, these are my boys,
(45:27):
which was.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It was crazy, it was crazy beautiful and so me, yeah, these.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Are my boys. But right, it's like she has kind
of some parts of her house that are also kind
of a dobo.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yes, yes, you're right, if.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I may, but then also like early slim sub zero
with Okay, what is she eating? I mean coke, coc cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's not clear what else she's eating, but like she
probably is she is because she is like the scene
what she needs her dad. She's kind of like huge, Yeah,
filmed at a different.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Time, fluctuating, and in the book, she talks about how
her mother felt betrayed when she cooked a meal.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Her mother was so like, we're not we don't eat,
we're movies start movie starts.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We don't like slave over a stove, like we're going
to Gallas movies. She makes us to fla at one point, Wait,
I think she's like is like whipping up a random
Julia Child recipe, like in a manic state, as she
calls herself hypomanic.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean it was seeing shades
of me in her a little bit with the just
like it's ten PM, I'm gonna cook this whole chicken dinner,
and then like she's eating the entire thing over the
course of the next day.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's very the substance also just like bones everywhere. Yeah,
I think it's like shades of you words manic ten
PM complicated recipe. It's not like day by day she's
making a bull and a cucumber solid.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
It's like but then the assistants are filling up the
fridge with like yoga and berries and granola and like
normal stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, she's having like a bowl of like special K.
I don't know, she's so nineties. She's having a bowl
of like special K blueberries.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I guess I think she's more like granola because I
think the assistants are buying the more modern food. Although
this is like in the two thousands, so maybe there's
some special K in there.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
But right maybe it's like a more modern I feel
like it's like Elizabeth's granola, Brad's organ.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, because she's kind of like funky Cambridge mom.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I saw her half sister, Tricia Lee Fisher, who's the
full sister of Jolie Fisher. Of course she was performing
at that amazing celebrity jazz club. I went to an
La Vibrato when I was in La.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Risha Fisher is a jazzist.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, okay, and she was performing on things get here.
I went the day after her, I guess I went
on Friday and I saw like.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, almost like you're her half sister.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Basically half sisters. What does she wear?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's a little QVC like in the.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
It's kind of like larger music teacher stuff, yeah, which
is like leopard flats leggings, big button down yeah, and like.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
A lot of like roomy black with like bell sleeves
and then like maybe like a red collar that has
music notes on it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
And then like you know, her vibe is very I think,
go back to our impression fright. Her vibe to me
is very the awesome woman who works at the Burster's office.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
No, when there's like a Doe badmin woman that has
your back, Yeah, and she's like, hun, let me see
what I can do.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, click click click click.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Because she has like red hair, and it's that red
that is very like nineties mom red. Like yes, it's
o kind of this deep, it's faux apple. It's like
this macintoshie kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Red or what you're calling the color of the year,
like burgundy.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, it's very different than that color of the year.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
It is like nineties sitcom like soft maroon.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Was what I said, Mom red and she has Sharon Osbourne.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yes, and she was in rehab with Ozzie and she
was like, yeah, that went well, that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
The line where she talks about fucking herself with the
princess leos the princes, Yeah, she's like, guess the doll
was straight. Yeah, the hand broke off all fingering me. Hello, okay,
who are you in the bug? I do think my
like humor is a little more Carrie, but I think
(49:32):
I'm more Debbie going into debt buying ruby red slippers.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, I do see it as like an unwieldly large
collection of memorabilia.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, the part where she's really sobbing and like can't
sell her rat pack memorabilia and she's like, I can't
see it go. Yeah, They're like you need to sell that, babe.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, And I guess I definitely see shades of my
own mania and Carrie Fisher, but also like a funkiness
and like a willingness to get on a.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Bed m yeah, and live and live, Live, Live and
live life. I have this book kind of like four
point seven yokes out of five, Like I was laughing aloud.
I mean, it is a memoir. It's very short because
it is more of like a one woman show book,
like humorous take.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I will go ahead and give this book four point
five heart attacks in an aviation space. I feel like,
you know, it was funny. I was listening to my
friend and he was just like, oh, like, she keeps
going on and on about Carrie Grant for like forty
five minutes and the story is not going anywhere. And
I was like, yes, But I was like, but you know,
from the perspective of someone who reads a ton of memoirs,
(50:44):
I so appreciate that she is like not doing the
tried and true same stupid whate was me like annoying,
like self righteous arc and like.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Right, she spends as much time on like her marriage
to Paul Simon, which was very heartbreaking, as much time
as the Carry Grant story, which I found hilarious and
for us old Hollywood buffs, it's actually pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But I just loved the kind of general self effacing
tone and her willingness to be super sassy and just
call herself a faghag a million times. And it was
a joy. And I think the Company Woman show is
a joy, and the doc is a joy in her
whole her tone is a joy.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Just her kind of knowledge about herself. Yeah, I think
just the self awareness is really fun. Yeah, so Carrie,
we miss you.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
And you know, as to whether or not I would
ever get electric shock therapy one day the jury is out.
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You don't need it.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I don't need it and I don't want it. You
need something else for sure, And I just think it's terrifying.
But she's a big proponent of it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well I think it does work for the severely depressed
as kind of a last ditch effort. But yeah, I
just thought it was so fun, so wonderful, and I just.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Love being reminded of her contributions to the American canon.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, I love kind of the way her time in
her career just kind of like and then postcards. I
forgot it anyway, Yeah, that humility, let me tell you,
just like a funny story about Star Wars, not kind
of drone on about.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah. And also let's not forget she was the friend
in when Harriet me and Sally and she's so good
in that.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, they're kind of a family of friends because Jolie
Fisher is the friend in Ellen. It's kind of like,
oh yeah, it is very friend family. It's being the
funny girl with a lot of hair, yeah, and being
a brunette.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes. So cheers to l Burnettes. We love you, okay,
best best.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
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of Dumbo. There are many stormtroopers in this universe, but
there is only one supervising producer, and his name is
Aboo Zafar.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
A long time Ago in a Galaxy far far away,
this podcast was executive produced by the Imperial Galactic Princess
Christina Everett. Boo Boo Boo.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
By Huge Rasure.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
MC three po and I'm here to tell you that
the music original music of this podcast was produced, recorded, lyricized,
and performed by Stephen Philippforts.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
What a lovely man he is. We did co create
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Speaker 1 (53:52):
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