July 26, 2023 • 52 mins
What's that smell? Perfume enjoyer and West Coast Best Friend Maddie Phinney, of the podcast Nose Candy, graces our nostrils for the scent-illating memoir of global perfume sourcer Dominique Roques, "In Search of Perfumes: A Lifetime Journey to the Sources of Nature's Scents." From chestfeeding goats to Bulgaria's Valley of the Roses, questioning the legitimacy of pheromones to questioning Steven's B.O.—this is one outrageous olfactory odyssey! Plus, the gals create their own custom colognes. Sniff, sniff!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. It's already.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity poof club.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Come read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poop Club. I'll tell your secrets.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
No, boys are a loud celet book club. Say it
loud and poud, Celebrity pook club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, best friend. So fucking good to see.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You, and literally so good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Happy July. How was your fourth?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh my god, fuck the fourth? Can I just say that, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, it fucking sucks to be on the fourth and
be like, think of all the lamb we could have
given back, and here we are celebary. We are burgers,
raping cows.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, cows, more cows, more beef, more shopping, Go to Target,
buy a flag, throw out the flag throughout the burger.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Right. No, yeah, I celebrated the first just by lying
down and creating zero waste.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I celebrate the fourth on a plane with a certain someone.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you were expending a lot of carbon on the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was literally like extra waste, so much plastic water bottles,
like so much fuel.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Must be crazy, But that's kind of beautiful because you
flew across the entirety of dare I say it the
United States for the forest.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I literally celebrated every single state and then I saw
fireworks across our great city when we landed. Neighborhoods, municipal organizations.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love seeing me ASPI organizations celebrating.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So I guess we should tell our listeners what's kind
of happening.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so today is a day unlike any other because
we have with us a guest, which is obviously very
rare for a main episode. Basically, our role has always
been we only have a guest if.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They're an actual friend yeah, or they're.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Really famous and they have a lot of followers.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
No in between, No, like, oh I saw you at
a party.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And let's just say this guy does not have a
lot of followers.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, she's so she It's also weird because she's been
on socials for so long. I know she's back on
and it's like, what.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
But that means that she's absolutely near and dear to
her heart. She is one of the og cheekas she
has been with us through thick and thin and honey,
I mean thick and thin, okay, And she's never judged.
She's always been there. She'd sometimes no, she's super judgmental
with her.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I met her literally at a Trader Joe's rom com style.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, we followed each other on Facebook, Facebook friends before.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
We'll get into stories later, but we brought her on
because she's a fucking genius and we're obsessed with her.
Ladies and gentlemen all the way from Los Angeles, California influencers,
influencer and podcaster. You know her from the podcast No
Can Candy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Welcome Matt Finny, friend Hie, best.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Friend, Maddie. Thank you so much for being here. I
just want to clorer listeners and you guys are in
New York and I am remote in Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, that's also what's crazy is it's full Charlie's Angels setup.
Me and Maddie are sitting here in the red room,
both with different types of espresso Starbucks drinks again proplastic and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You and I'm sitting here with a glass of Italian white.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're going full exact Tommy Bahama mode, like you have
a billion dollars in multiple islands the way you look
right now.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Thank you. Well. I care about local economies and I
want to support them and do whatever I can and
build open schools in my name in various.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Develop Tell us a little bit about the wine you're drinking,
just to get situated.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, So this is an Italian White comes in kind
of a fat bottle. It is a natty. I did
get it at our favorite store, Current Vintage. If you
thought that you were going to open a store on
Nantucket that sells both vintage clothing and wine, and you
were like, what should I name it? And then someone
was like Current Vintage would be like that's genius, Well genius,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Boom?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, that's one of our favorite spots.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, Stephen, what are the notes in the wine?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So it's super minerally. My friend Dan was just saying
that it kind of tastes like sucking on a rock
at the beach.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right, it's got that's exactly the type of wine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I always salinity, Salinity, salinity Gomez, all right, she is
serving Salerina and it's just a hint, a hint of
apple root.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Then what I'm not going to say is diaper, because
everyone loves to say that, but I don't get diaper
at all.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
People are trying to be shocking when they say that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, so you may be wondering why we brought up
perfume missed on this episode, I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I do just want to say again that we
did literally meet out a Triger Joe's, which I just
think it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That was so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The first time you ever met.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well yeah, but like Lily, we haven't talked about this
for a while, but you did like an art project
about me in college. Okay, what Ellen showed it to me?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What was the art project?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
The art assignment was like to make a drawing of
someone who you've never met.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh my god, and you used.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
My Facebook photo.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This was so you, Lily, to do like a non consensual,
like sopper like photo shoot. Like you're like, wait a minute,
there's this girl I've heard of, Like I'm obsessed with
her and I'm gonna like make a T shirt about her.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's the fact that I've blocked that out. And we
also have never discussed in our entire lives.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, I didn't know if I was right to bring
it up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Now, please, where's that drawing we should sell for millions.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Now that you're a top a PDF somewhere, Maddie, were
you flattered or sketched?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I was flattered, of course.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean the muse type of the news.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, Lily was already like a famous artist at that point.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Can you just give us a little bit like this,
take us on your perfume journey, a little bit of
like where it started? What sent kicked you off?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How did you follow your nose to the world of noses?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Thank you for asking. So I worked. I was in
the art world for a really long time. I famously
escaped last year, ran out. I ran out while I
was in the art worlds. As you both know, I
ran a gallery flash perfumery in West Hollywood, California. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
This was done by Eric Eric Peterbrough, Yeah, alum, basically
pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Who works with many famous celebrities, including Reese.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Witherspoon, best friend of Demi.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Jada Pinkett, Smith, Morgan Wade, et CETERA.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Very well known floral designer. Yes, okay, very well known
floral designer. He created a perfume line and that it
was like the intersection of art and perfume, And it
was always in the back of my mind that I
was obsessed with perfume.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
When you say the intersection of ore and perfume, are
you like sprain treasure on a painting or it was babe.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It was the fakest job that you have. It was
like a gallery where no one came in. There was
a huge gold gate that we had to open for
anyone to enter. And it was a store.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Where people are buying dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
People are buying dot dot So it was like people
come in, They're like not sure if they're supposed to
drop four k on like a small painting, or drop
like eighty on a cologne, and then they don't do.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Either, like six hundred on a cologne. And then they
would be like, oh, we were just a blue bottle,
like wanted to pop in. Are we bothering you? It's like, yes,
you are out, you are. So after that job, I
went back to art world stuff. It was so boring,
and then I looked up my human design.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
What wow, la stuff No.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Idea okay, no idea faces.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So it's like astrology, but like even more for.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Girls, astrology plus.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And you have a sense like of the five senses,
that's your dominant sense.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay. So this is kind of like going to Bloomy's
in the eighties and getting your colors done.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And they're just like, you're ruddy undertone.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, you're actually in autumn, and you're just like, okay.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I'm ugly.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, here's a huge burgundy blazer for you to put on. Thanks,
I'll head back to the office.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So my human design said that scent was my dominant sense,
and I was like, well, I'm destined.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So it's fate. God intervened.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Can I ask what your number two cents.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Was, Stephen?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Do you a list? Okay? Sorry? Do you pay?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Are just saying one?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And then they're like no, they say a lot of things.
That's the only thing I really retained. The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Okay, let's announce the book we did with you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So, Mattie, this was your suggestion, you haddsolutely was because
Maddy continues me, my muse, this was my suggestion. Okay.
So you were looked up like memoirs of perfumers and
this was kind of the top result.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's how it happened. I lodged into Amazon dot Com.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Ibsas use code CBC at checkout to actually pay ten
percent more on whatever you're purchasing.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Not prime, because again I wouldn't support prime. Anyway. I
found this and I was like, this is perfect for
Matty Finney to come on the pod.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think it was a cool crossover.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, yes, this book is called In Search of Perfumes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A Lifetime Journey to the Source of Nature sense by
Dominique Looks. Is it aok?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I would give him a hook.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Obviously a Frenchman at the tender age of seventy five.
He's still with us to this day. And he's really
like this, you know, this beautiful old warhorse of the
scent industry. And it's basically him going to different developing
countries and like meeting the local makers and it's very romantic,
and it's about the history of scent and how little
(10:20):
it's changed and yet how much it's changed.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I mean, did you know this was a job.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
No about like procuring the natural ingredients.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Procuring is one thing, but being the liaison yeah, between
like the Primalan farmers.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean I guess I will say, like, yeah,
I did assume that somebody had to do this. I mean,
I guess what. This book I think is a very
hopeful book. And yet it's also like obviously in many
ways he's a dinosaur because.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's also made me a scent activist.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, finally, I imagine that. And he kind of alludes to
this many times in the book. But ninety five percent
of things that we smell that have some added scent
to them are not coming from some naturally you know,
no one's scraping the resin off the cinnamon tree in
Sri Lanka. Like this is just a chemical, completely synthetic alternative.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, I feel like obviously before this I knew,
you know, oh, you get even lavender central oil from
Whole Foods. That's not lavender. You get vanilla Starbucks, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Not I mean, the lavender chapter was completely eye opening
for me. But you know, now I'm wondering, have I
ever even smelled real lavender?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, I don't know if I really thought that because
in my cleans and I worked for an organic cleaning company,
I would buy the lavender central oil at Whole Foods.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You thought I thought you bought the La down.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And people be like, ooh, what smells so good? And
then sometimes I was like, I don't even want to
pay the fifteen to buy that lavender oil at Whole Foods.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well what you had to pay out of pocket for
your cleans.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Huge problem with them. Made industry, Yeah, made their own.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Supplies, made their own essential oils. And I remember buying
like a something like you know, TJ Max and noticing
so much of a difference, and it's crazy. It's like
the lavner Whole Food's fake, and I was buying like
an even then f list faker thing.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So you're a master nose.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Basically, I'm coming out as a master nose. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So do you know that the people who go to
these fancy perfume schools either make the perfumes or they
make tide pods. Oh wow, anything with a fray guance
is made by someone who has like this crazy education
where they have to learn what every note smells like.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So they can make a beautiful bouquet of tige.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean that's also very like persons, Like you could
go to Parsons and you could end up being the
next you know, excellent point body, the next you see
Miaki or you're making like place match for Martha Stuart's
kmart line. Yeah right, this book to me, I mean
the connection between perfume and wine and whiskey. This book
(13:02):
could have been.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, wow, it's its process and tradition.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And Europe and colonization and the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And replace perfume with whiskey. Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Because basically this book is each chapter is a different
country where different like special natural gradient is sourced, and
every chapter is basically exactly the same. There's this like
very kind of like benevolent colonial relationship with an exotic
locale tradition being kept alive. Like there's a small village
where they're the last family who's still doing it the
(13:35):
old way, and all the women like pick the flowers,
and there's one like drunk man in the village who
like has this big opinions and he's like, we're gonna
save this town. And then this French guy like does
help them save the town.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Kind of it's also so Bordain where he'll be like
after hours of watching the local Madagascar woman like burn
one vetera beachy leaf, then the children bathe them in
a river. Then I went with one we drank rakia,
a rice wine. I did get blackout, but we continued
(14:09):
to drink it all night long. And then he gave
me a handful of rice and then we hyped up
a mountain where I saw more poor beep.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I love the old Bulgarian men in the rose belly
of the roses who bring the bottles of rakia with
them just the first thing in the morning. The women
are the flowers, and the men are like kind of
picking the flowers, but also just kind of mostly drinking well.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And the women have like floral like crowns made of roses,
and they're chanting and they're singing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I love how happy and like the Egyptian woman. He
just kept being like, they're literally so happy to be
picking jasmin like therbsast It's also like every time he
goes so he was like, it seemed like I was
kind of the star of the day with his.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Golf shirt and white hair.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. No, so he fully looks like Jimmy Buffett and
he'll get to the town he's like, yeah. Always got
a super into me. And I asked him, how does
voodoo influence the distilling of the holdoway.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
This is the part about the roma in Bulgaria, just
because of a sense of like what the book is.
They start early, working from six in the morning through
to midday. A good picker will harvest forty five kilograms
in the morning, three bags each containing five thousand flowers,
plucked one by one between thumb and index finger. Women
and men of all ages chatter and sing as they pick.
(15:30):
One woman launches into a moving song. She tells me
she is a Russian immigrant and her song of the
vulgar reminds her of home. She works the fields in winter,
but it's too cold then for any singing. Now she
sings for the roses. The roma pick in small groups.
The young ones are cheerful and joke around, the girls
making crowns of roses for their hair, and at the
(15:52):
end of each row, peonies decorated with red pom pom
good luck chom wait for their cats to be loaded
with clear plastic bags with flowers. A gently warming in
the sun.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Stunning.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, this book is poetry.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And then you're like, oh, right, like you know, agricultural
work a is beautiful and noble, b like it is
skilled labor. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thumb and forefinger.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right and like b like, there is beauty and tradition
and a good honest day's work with Rakia at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
He's trying to give a lot of dignity.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I know, it's a lot of degree, it's a lot
of romance.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
My favorite herbalist famously lived with the Romani people for
two decades.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Who's your favorite herbalist?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're not to pry.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Her name's Juliette of the Herbs.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh, oh, Juliette of the herbs. So did she travel
with them?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
She traveled with them. She realized that their Afghan hounds
had the healthiest coat that she'd ever.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Seen, and she said, what makes the coach so healthy?
And they said, well, it's the herbs. And then she said,
I must travel with you for two years and learn
your ways.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, you said two decades.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Decades?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah? Did she find out what they did to the
hounds or was it just the hounds reading naturally and
not this broke you know the hounds coast exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The hounds were eating like rosemary and goat milk. But
one time her kid got cholera and she cured the
child by having her suck a goat's teat for like
three meals a day, and eventually the goats started.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Next time you're sex st even the goat would.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Come and knock at the door of the child it
time to feed.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
The goat was like, suck on my titty, bitch.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Literally the dream my goat's here.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. But also, okay,
we're a goat pod now, well, okay, one thing about
this book, it's very I feel like when ever anyone
starts to talk about scent, the first thing they always say,
(18:03):
if they're trying to be really poetic, is scent is
tied to memory. That obsessed with saying scent is tied
to memory, And it's just like, what isn't tied to memory?
It's just like, yeah, we remember stuff, that's how the
brain works.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Here, we're like site taste.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
People love the idea that, you know, it evokes childhood,
it evokes the mother, it evokes her abandonment of us
and all the rest of it. And so it's like
there's something that's supposed to be more primalent animolic, which
is another word we see a lot in this book.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I mean, in a way, I don't think that's wrong though,
because when he works on the creation of the famous
perfume Mugler's Angel.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I was hoping you'd bring it up.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, there's Mugler, and then there's like the head perfumer,
and then there's the creative director and it gets, you know,
shuffled down. They're like, we want to evoke her childhood,
which is musk vanilla beans. Like ill, it's like, what
was your musky house child? But I think a lot
of Welters we're musky.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But I see. Then that comes to the idea of
sent aside to memory, the memory is always the past.
We always think of the past as dusty, as the
treasure box, you know what I mean, as your heart beating.
It's terrifying, right, yeah, fact, because it's like there's no
way we think about the past, or isn't you know
in history it's the same way when we think of
the future, we always think of like the Jetsons. It's
kind of just like you always think of this retro
lifea there's always some sort of implanted idea of what
(19:27):
the past is. I think, maybe removed from our actual experience.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And especially also because I think since a lot of
now perfumes, as he says, Petuli, which we will get into,
evokes the seventies. That's always going to be alto the past.
If it's hippie, if it's vinyl.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
The seventies will always be the past. And I will
say that I'm here for I'm sorry to everyone wearing
a high waisted pant like got real. Yeah, it's always
the past.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And if you're bringing back flares for the nine hundredth
fucking time.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You don't like flairs, I love flares.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I'm just saying like we're still, we're digging deep. And
the Pechuli fields, the problematic petuli fields.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's one of my favorite smells.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Petulia is. Yeah. I think people have like kind of
stupid preconceived notions. I hate Patuli and it's like you
could spell some me petuli and love it. You just
have this idea that you have a very little vocabulary
to talk about sense, and so for you, Patulli means
sleazy club owner with slick backed hair. Therefore Patuli's gross
And it's kind of like, Actually, it's like, as.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You're talking, babe, I'm thinking, like, why is it boud
to smell like that?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I agree, right, Like I slick my hair box it's.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
People are so funny about perfume, the idea of like, oh,
I only want to smell like whatever, like the pages
of a magazine. I only want to smell like something
like completely neutral, or I want to smell like a
duty free or I want to smell like a wood,
like a creamy wood.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, you know what's interesting. Have you seen the German
show performance that was like the erotic thriller. It's based
on a book where it's like you create a scent
out of like a human corpse, and like that's like
the sexyescent.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It was famously Kirk Cobain's paper book, Oh oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's a twisted erotic book, but like one of the
like villain crazy like perfumologists in the book says this
one thing where he's like the best sense in the world,
The scent that he's devising that will make anyone fall
in love with you has to have just a tiny
bit of human shit.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh exactly, exactly because we all smell it, Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Because it's so animalistic, and I mean part of it
is that it's taboo, right.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, what's the naughtiest thing you can smell?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So we're not supposed to like it, but then we do.
But then part of it is that it actually comes
from us. It is the body itself, and to some extent,
you know, scent is always trying to like get us
away from our heads, right from our self awareness, from
our self consciousness, from you know, go, go go, then
nine to five, like how do we release from that
(22:03):
and get into a pre verbal space and that scent
And so there is something to be said for the
primalness of shit, of human excrement, of bo for example, completely,
But that comes to your thing about Patuli, where it's like, yes,
why not smell like the big, fat, nasty, sleazy club
owner who's fingering the bartender in the dumpster. You know
(22:26):
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Petuli to me is so not club owner, by the way.
It's head chop, it's hippie girl, huge super skirt, tiared
tank top that's like auburn. It's grateful, dead patches. And
here he says, he goes, why is because it masks
the scent marijuana. Steven.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I hate to do this because you're not here, but
I brought a Petrulli sample to smell.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You guys, smell and I'll watch the smell because scent
is visual as well.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's erotic.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, that is erotic. A little peeping tom.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, okay, So what you have there is a tiny vial.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's a tiny littleca scent bar. Yeah. I just picked
up a few things.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I'm gonna sniff this like poppers.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I wouldn't would.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay, okay, like rail it And I'm new to this. Yeah,
so how can you apply actually on me?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
So what I'm doing right now a DA for our listeners. Yeah,
hang out my left hand.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I'm erotically putting my little finger on Lily's smell, delicate wrists, orange.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Peel, lemon blossom, key lime pie.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I don't say words, you don't even know what they mean.
Lemon headshop.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, okay, it's lemon blossom headshop. It's a pie shop
that also sells weed and skirts and pieces.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
When you say pie, Lily, are you getting like a
dairy of cream sense? Or is it more than paste? Like?
Is it it's the bread?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, it's the floral cream. It's it's whipped.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Wait, why do you think of bread? Bread wasn't bad?
There's something yeasty?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, it could be that. Maybe it's the light crust.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She's a yeasty boy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I see you guys evoking yeast. You're rising.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
There's a lot of yeast camera stat I see the
east lowering and rising.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So this is like a little bit of a soapy
PETULLI like to me, it smells like a bar of soap.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
This is cool. I don't know if I presume wear this,
but I think like Chick was wearing this, or I
think Stephen could rock this and it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I've been off the cent train for a long time.
I used to wear Imporio Armani. Louis.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, in a way, you're not off the Sentraine because
you actually usually have quite the strong scent. You're all
on the sent train where you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You're talking about my bo.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, you very famously do not wear deodorant, and it's
kind of your thing.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't usually wear deodorant, And the deodorant I do
wear is Gillette. I go Gillette so hard spring rain.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And is that a Boston thing, Lily, because Jillette is
a bub Jellette stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Honestly, yes, I feel like I was just like at
the drug store, I wanted something clear and kind of
to smell like a spring Man's shower. Yeah, Gillette stadium.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I think that's like perfect. I love the smell
of like rainy what man.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So you're saying you're kind of probio, because for me,
I've always felt that the bio smell is like a
it's natural man. So my whole philosophy is that like
pheromones and biology, like if you're.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
A pheromones, yeahermones.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, pheromones are pheromones ponis.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is activating
some biological response and other men and they're going, oh hello.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
To a point, I think yeah, to a point, I
think so yeah, it's like okay, let's do fifty percent,
and then the other fifty is kind.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Of like, well, okay, I feel like pheromones actually are alive.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Oh oh my god. The craziest thing I ever said podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Is true.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Because everyone's obsessed with the idea that like, perfume smells
different on different people, and in like the summer, you
can only wear certain things and in the winter. Have
you ever found that to be true? Have you ever
put on a perfume and said this smells vastly different.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, of course me no, you smell an old lady
perfume when you're like, that's an old lady wherever I'm
smelling it, You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
The idea that a man can bring out like a
peppery musk, like maybe a smidge.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Perfume makes the man that the man does not make
the man perfume. Last night, Maddie put a scent that
actually kind of like changed my life on me.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It was an artificial ooje.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, so explain what ood.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Is an ood?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Oh e A U D No, it's o U D
you guys, there was a whole chapter on it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let me look at the glossary quickly.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So ood. Sometimes people call it agar wood. It's like
a very traditional Middle Eastern old wood resin, right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I mean I was so blown away by some of
these processes of just like these old women about scraping
resin off of bars.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Wait ooh you imagine scraping resin when like you have
no okay, and this like drags Americans to filth and
literally me thinking that scent was cool. It's striking smell,
quite unique at once woody and milky, is instantly recognizable
(27:39):
to western is. It is bewitching evoking a form of
the sacred of the unadulted, exoticism and mysticism and irresistible
vision of India. We spontaneously associate the smell of sandalwood
with the smoke of the incenstick, and it's you know,
us Americans being like, ooh, that's cool, that's travel.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I love that part too.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I mean, I do think that so much of
the evocation of all these different places is supposed to
be exotic. I mean, I think that's always what it's been.
I mean, it's like how the Arabs originally found jasmine
in India, then they brought it to Spain, and like
the rose that was like called the Damask rose, but
it was actually Persian, and then it was that was
like brought to Italy like by the Moors, and it's
(28:22):
just like everyone was bringing everything everywhere and then like
being like, oh, this is so exciting because it reminds
me of like a different land. It's like part of
perfuma is just gay panic, is just us wanting to
be somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I literally couldn't agree more. I think people when people say.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like perfume of the future, so it actually isn't always
the past.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's the Judsons ragrance. Yeah, what does the future smell like? Yeah,
but I do think when people say perfume is tied
to memory, I would argue, in fact, it's tied to fantasy.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, and the fantasy of what even was, Yeah,
fantasy of the past, the fantasy of the future.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The idea of something smelling like mysticism. That's not an objective.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No scent, but I think, you know, to Western's mysticism
is always going to have a sort of an Eastern
thing because of like what we think of as mystical
and stories and the media that we're exposed to.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
So I know that we're talking about sandalwood, but you
want to smell.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Uj Yeah, that's smell it through the screen sun. So
this scent that she put on me last night, instantly
I was brought back to the wreck room by the
lake house that I went to a Maine as a child.
Oh that had a card table and an old bowling alley.
You set up the pins yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Really, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's like old fashioned nineteen twenties bowling. You roll the thing, yeah,
hit the pins, and then you have to walk set
them back up. Yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Wow, sounds exhausting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That is the past.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Maybe I put it right there. So this is a floor.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
What flowers are you getting in there? Low daisy hydrangea maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Which I smell my Starbucks to clear my head.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You don't know, just airwork.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Okay, this is stunning, I guess, and I'm gonna be
totally honest. I could improv here and make a little joke.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We don't make jokes on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Name some flowers. Absolutely no idea what flowers are coming
to mind? But what is coming to mind is just
it's subtle. I'm already in a perfume mad it's feet
in big tall grass. It's a vintage slip.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Oh my god, it's porn.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I love that. Okay, big tall grass feet. I'm wondering
what the feet are are there? Cankles? Are these tans?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Honestly, it's it's like a little tan, but not that tann.
A little mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Okay. This isn't a girl who's been laying out on
the vineyard all summer. This is like mid June.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Or July or September. It's actually September.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's shoulder season.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
For shoulder season, the crackles are out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Okay, I brought here. So this I brought from my
mom's bathroom. This is an Oscar de la renta o
to toilette.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That bottle stunning.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
The bottle has like a very kind of feminine quality
to it, almost is like a body.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But it's also kind of like an Art Deco building.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yes, it is very Art Deco. It has this kind
of long cylinder with these two smallest soldiers on the side.
It's very like curvy and yet phallic at the same time.
Quite absolutely, quite strong. It is amber in color, quite liquid.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Beautiful, task aged.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yes, rum not whiskey. Wow, Okay, I just smelled it.
It evokes my mom.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And is that a memory or a fantasy your mother?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But it's both. It's my fantasy of her buying me drinks,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it smells like money,
mommy money. It smells like mommy money. It smells like
leaving the house. I can hear the jangle of the wreath,
the Christmas wreath against the door as the door closes
and we toddle off to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's winter drinks.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
There's something white Christmas about it. Because again I do
get a little bit of alcohol, which I told you
I didn't love. But it's almost a stringent there.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I'm going to fragrance. Looks like it's been macerating for
like fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
No, I mean this is whine.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Now are you getting which we haven't talked about? And
why you said winter in the wreath? Are you getting
notes of cinnamon?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh my god, now that you said it, I am
and the Sri Lankan cinnamon farmers and despite all the
tragedy they went through civil war, the tsunami of Tutha.
Did you clock? We call this like a synchronicity between
different books. But we read Nate Burkis's Coffee table Book
and his.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Partner was breaking Coffee table Book.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Where his partner was called in the tsunami two thousand
and four, and then this book we get to the
tsunami again, which so adversity effected the island of Sri Lanka.
And yet the cinnamon farmers remain undaunted their bravery and
they continue to peel the bark and sell it to
Swiss multinational conglomerate.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They persevere and sell it and the Swiss make a
heavy profit.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
All and then this Swiss will use those cinnamon molecules
and sell them to Nesli, another Swiss multinational conglomerate, who
will use it in their baby formula. And that's beautiful.
And that's the age old tale of the travel of sand.
Wait quickly before we go to segments, there's an amazing
description of vedaverir. So Vedevere, of course, is a root
(33:44):
to WHI I didn't realize. Often mined in Haiti, another
place that has just been ravaged by both politics and
nature with the earthquake, and then you know colonization, corruption,
lack of diversification of them. But there's a really interesting
description of the scent of vedevair. Am I pronouncing that right?
(34:05):
I say?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, I was saying at.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Every stage of our visit to the factory, the scent
of vedeverair is different, and he is able to find
the specific evocative words to describe it. It may swell warm, brown, woody,
like tobacco, powdery, earth were honey. It may have a
long finish that intensifies a sedery feel, dry but sweet,
with a touch of hummus.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Just a touch of ummus. I think that's humus. But
I was very good used Does that mean like humidity?
H u m us.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I think it's just a different spelling of hummuss. No, oh,
you think it literally means like the concept of humidity.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think it's something closer to that than like a
chick pea puree.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wait, oh my god, you're right. I just looked it up.
It's a dark organic material that forms in soil when
plant and animal matter decays. Okay, I thought he was
literally talking about hummus.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Checked period. Sit back in your sailboat, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I will say this. I think it would be
more into a perfume misubtle notes of hummus than vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I bet you. I don't think have had a pure
complex vanilla.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, I'm sure I haven't. I've had vanilla, and I've
had vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, alternative, we out here being vanillas. Okay, before we
got to segments, round table, make a perfume? What's in it?
What's it called? Maddie go first?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Okay, So mine is vanilla, cherry, butter, crusty.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Sugar, yes, sour, yes, spicy roman.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And that ever.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay, what is it called.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's called La series.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh my god, the cherry of love.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And that's in French and extra credit what's the bottle.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
It's actually not in a bottle. It's not in a bottle,
It's in a tiny You wish I were a pounch.
It's actually a curry cup.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It's made by dustry.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
And it has to be brewed to order.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh my god, Wow, that's a huge turn on for me.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Chills absolutely selling. No one steal that. By the way,
all you all you French colonizer perfumus, Swiss genevan Yeah,
you Genevan vanillas. Get us stop listening.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Keep your hands off my vanilla.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, Mine is, as you say, French butter, deep deep, dark,
dark yellow French butter, almost an amber butter, dill fresh
bill real lavender.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Did you say amber butter?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
No? I said. The butter is so dark, it's almost
the color of amber, you know when butter is like
so French, it's like almost from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, it's so yellow.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's so fucking yellow, the yellowest fucking butter you've ever had. Butter. Yes, Yoki,
very farm fresh chicken butter. Oh, actually a little bit
of better than buleon roast chicken flavor. I fucking died
for that flavor.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
You're starving right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, you're like, it's butter, it's chicken, it's more butter,
it's oysters.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Hold on, it is oyster shell. So that's super super
rocky sylinic when it's super shelly, and then ball sweat,
super super hairy hairy ball sweat. This is like from
a guy in I want to say Germany, from like Berlin,
(38:11):
like you know, not the Spanish guys who are putting
like cologne and shaving their whatever and then come which
I think is a little bit of that shit flavor.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You know what I'm saying, Well, that's the creamy, that's
the milky.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That's the creamy, that's the milky. Okay yeh. And it's
called husband.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Of course bottle.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's actually it's a sphere that you just roll over
your body.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh and you just kind of roll it all over yeah,
okay again best selling husband. I mean the way that
there must actually be so many colognes called husband perfus
patent pending. I feel like right now like people are shivering.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Although I have to see. I think the thing with
men is that they usually want to be desired by
a lot of women, but they don't want to be
tied down so it's actually probably not true. It's like
not a fantasy of men to be like a husband,
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But you can't tie it down because it's that bottle.
I think.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's rolling down the street women my neighbor. Wait, have
you seen my husband? No, I'm talking about the colon.
All right, Lily, go Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
This is gonna be super quick. Is my favorite smells.
It's gonna be a trio of different types of Christmas trees. Frasier, balsam, Douglas.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Fur sounds stunning already.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Burnt leaves on like an autumn day. Really, yeah, this
is so good, tiny bit of like actual heirloom cherries.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You can't copy my ingredient, not synthetic cherry.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, sorry, that's the cherries exit.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You should have plum hints up, plum plum leading the witness.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Is it so tacky if I say espresso?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Absolutely not. I love coffee and.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I love this holiday cent.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, I mean this is like like I want to
be Yankee candle, but like actually good, We're like a
Christmas scent that isn't discuss I love that and the bottle,
I mean it's super minimal Christmas tree.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So it kind of pass those three tiers.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Three tears. The listener, I'm drawing at Christmas tree with
my head, and you don't want it to be Yankee candle.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Swear right, job, it's Christmas tree shaped and smells like
Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
But it's the elevated Yankee cand And what's it called.
Is it called bubble?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's called.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
We're workshopping that.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We're taking that Distanta's workshop.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
In search of.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
How does she live, what does she wear? What does
she eat? Okay, what does she eat? I mean, I
think he is being very bordane.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's what did he described?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He described eating grubs in Laos. He eats scrubs and
he was like, you know, if they didn't taste bad
or good, I just ate them with the rice. And
that was the normal thing. And I could tell that
my host was being so like, oh, this Westerner is
gonna eat grubs, and he was kind of like, fine,
I'm just having the grubs.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And then sometimes so he is having like a sizzling
mountain side Vietnamese barbecued beef cubes that sound like legendary.
But I do think sometimes he's like, it's it's grub,
a fried egg okay, but.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'll say this, I do feel like post this book,
his twenty twenty era, he's very like conferenced ted talk whatever.
I'm sure he's doing pretamande like left and right, and
he's just so like airport grabbing a salmon rap on
the way on the way to a talk on the
way like an amazing talk at like the Institute of Sandalwood.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And I think his forked is hovering over the prat
salmon rap like he's leaving half. He's not downing it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Really maybe now.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And his wife is like, did you eat anything? And
he's like, I don't know, had they samma and prett rap?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Do you think he smokes six?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay, here's what sane is. I think that like he
does because he's literally just French and seventy and so
he did smoke cigarettes until he was fifty five and
then he stopped.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Well, the way he talks about other people smoking six,
he's like in the way that she dragged to the cigarette.
You like that?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, okay, but that also makes me think that he
maybe quit by that time.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And misses it because it's like because.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
He's almost nostalgic for it when he's describing it, and
he's always describing to other people smoking but not himself.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Okay, yeah, good detective work.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Also just random how he mentions his son twice and
he's like, my son won an archery competition. Anyway, I
was in Porta Prince.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
For two years.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, and you're like, what's happening there? Okay, how does
he live? Yeah? When he's not traveled.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I mean their house is so books. It's like French
Nancy Myers. Like it's just like coffee tables and books
and little patios and like.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It would beyond the Nancy Mars. It goes into a
little bit like Cambridge, where it's like the amount of
things he must.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Have from travels, his travels. I'm sure it's nickknacks everywhere
and just like little containers of that of roots that
have been soaking for decades, y y y y yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I feel like if you go to his house and
you kind of have a bond or not, even he's
trying to get rid of stuff and he's like, oh,
come into my office. This I got in nineteen seventy three.
It is a vetever god. And then he's like give
you and you're like, oh my God, and it's like
he's he has like six in his drawing.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
French people also love to give you slim books, so
he's giving you like a slim like French edition and
it's not a first.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Edition of just like just a French edition.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
A French edition of like an Egyptian novel. And he's
just been like, this was very important to me when
I had my son, who I do not see And
you're like, okay, now I have this book. What is
he where? Golf shirts?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Golf shirts, Patagonia baggy?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Wait, you think he's in a five inch baggy.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I think, oh, he's in five inch baggy, but he's
had for like twenty five years, you know. And also
I think he goes to the Patagonia store because you know,
they have like that exchange program because it's so ego
you can like get money off your next pair, so
he brings in a pair.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Of I don't think he's going to the Patagonia store
in Excellent Provence. I don't think he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You don't say, but where do you think he's getting
his shorts?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
His wife is going to this like l like once
a year, and she's getting him these like good sturdy
cargo shorts from some brand shoes now and they're fine.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I can't see him in cargo shorts.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I do. He's got to stuff sobody, even Nilibin's in there.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
No, that's actually a good point.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He's in Cartorage.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
He needs store.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I just think at one point he went to the
Patagony Hgo. I'm not saying it's every year. I'm just
saying once in his goddamn life.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
He went there once to like give a talk and
sustainability and he was like, it's super impassive with the
Pagonia company. Is I think they prevent a and I'd
love to see what? And then like that was it?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And he wears the shirt that's like the flap in
the back definitely.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Oh for sure, back flap backslap girls.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And then just like the most dad sneaker boot.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Merylkay, who are you in the book, Maddie, Maddie.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I guess you're Dominique. I mean also your creative director
at Mugler and you're ultra fem at Mugler and you're
saying I want childhood.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, but is it Maddie also kind of that like
Whip Snapper Bulgarian girl.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Wait, who was a spy?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
You know who like decided to not become a spy.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Because she loved Bulgarian rose too much.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
He loved the rose industry too much. She was like,
I will not be a spy, but like I will,
like really like just bring this rose industry back.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yes, because you know you would go out to dinner
with all the spies and they would pay for everything.
You'd be like, this is so fab and then you'd
have kind of come to rose moment. You'd be like,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Oh, so the spy industry is like the art world.
But I'm sconding from.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yes, and you said no, I choose Rose.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I choose very much like the life of a spy.
I will be followed by the art world. My entire life.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Live Hanzl ric Obrist is in the lobby of the
iHeart Building right now waiting for you to come out, going, Maddy,
I'll hold you into Tell me how does failure smell?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
That must be fun for you.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I did kind of identify Dominique when he's always opening
up like a school in a random developing country, because
as you know, I do have a classroom named after
me in South Africa. But you didn't know that my
name is not exactly engraved in stone. It's more like
it was printed out. It was laminated. It was a
print out.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You're this month's patron.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, a little of it, maybe, but I think it's
there every year.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
You're definitely dominant because you're like falling in love with
a Bulgarian rose maker, but then like going back to
your son.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Ultimately, I feel like I would be a more present father,
but maybe I wouldn't. I would just feel like he
did archery ons. Anyway, I gotta go in loaves.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I am hmmm. I guess I do feel like I'm
working in one of these fields.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You're one of the Roman people.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I think I am Romani. No. I was like, I'm
a Romani rose. I'm steeping, chanting and chanting and laughing,
and I'm like, the life is good here, like we chill,
we were, It's like work hard, play hard.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I give this book. I would say like three three
and a half notes of vanilla bean out of five. Like,
I thought it was incredibly romantic. I love like the
description of the sheep rubbing up against the sisters branches
in Cyprus, and then the farmers ripping the resin off
the fur. But I did get very little about the
(47:55):
guy himself.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's my only note. I'm kind of like, yeah, like
problematic lavender field out of five, Like I think it
was like romance but also political, geopolitical.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I love the geopolitics. Yeah, I love the actual descriptions
of sense. But I did want more about it.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I just need something, one bridge to connect me to
him a little more.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Because he would then he was like and after three
years of tough negotiations, like with the higher ups, and
I'm kind of like, show me those meetings. Talk to
me about the meetings in the boardroom in Geneva, Like
I want to see that, Like that's interesting, you know
what I mean. Don't just romanticize the Third world farmers, like,
actually talk to.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Me about let's get into Genevans.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, there was something, yeah, a little bit too paternalistic
about his just being like and I went to these
countries and they were beautiful and I love the people,
and I.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Have to go.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Maybe he still has a job. He can't be out
here being like fully spilling tea.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh you can spill farmer tea. You can't spell business tea.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, But that's what I'm saying. I'm a little bit like,
you know what I mean, be an equal opportunity t spiller.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, Maddie, you're writing mine.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Is a form agarwood, trees gorgeous or something.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Out of five brilliant.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Well, so you would recommend this to people in your field?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I think it's like, well, it's a field study, really.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Your literal field.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I think that the way that he describes the perfumes
is interesting. I also really like the way, like when
he's talking about entfloorage and how it's like you put
a layer of fat and then you just lay the
jasmine over.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
That was fascinating. Yeah, on these slabs of concrete and
outside of Cairo and they're just slamming down all this
jasmine and then putting like butter on top of jasmine.
I guess I don't know what fat they're using.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, salt right, fat, poor salt fat acid.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Bitch. I can't believe we're coming to the end. But Maddie,
where can we find you? When our listeners are hearing
you being like whoaa O? Can you just host this ball?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah? Can I get more fitty please?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
But first Finny, the first Finny nosecandy Podge available apples
on everywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Look your substack.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Find me there, yeah, my substack.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Okay, and your address home address.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Social Sturdy, perfume, Enjoyer dot substack dot com and.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Will be in our show page. Okay. Thank you so much, mad,
so much mad.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Welcome back anytime, literally anytime. This has been a dream,
this fun bad. This episode of Celebrity book Club was
Stephen and Lily was produced by Derby Masters. She invented lavender.
I visited her house in the fields of Fronts and
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she gave me a leaf. I smelled it. I've been
thinking about it for seventy use. There are supervising producers
Abu Zafar. He gave me a glass of rice wine.
Once we talked and talked and talked. One of the
best nights of my life. Our executive producers, Christina Everett.
(51:05):
I actually sued her in Geneva because she stole some
patuli leaves from me. We are good, but there is
a lot of legal between us. The artwork is by
Teddy Blanks. I bought one of his paintings in Haiti.
We were both there and I said, that is beautiful.
He gave it to me it is in my home.
(51:26):
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would listen to his music or my discman when I travel.
It kept me through some really hard nights. This podcast
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Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. It's already.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity poof club.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Come read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poop Club. I'll tell your secrets.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
No, boys are a loud celet book club. Say it
loud and poud, Celebrity pook club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, best friend. So fucking good to see.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You, and literally so good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Happy July. How was your fourth?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh my god, fuck the fourth? Can I just say that, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, it fucking sucks to be on the fourth and
be like, think of all the lamb we could have
given back, and here we are celebary. We are burgers,
raping cows.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, cows, more cows, more beef, more shopping, Go to Target,
buy a flag, throw out the flag throughout the burger.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Right. No, yeah, I celebrated the first just by lying
down and creating zero waste.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I celebrate the fourth on a plane with a certain someone.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you were expending a lot of carbon on the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was literally like extra waste, so much plastic water bottles,
like so much fuel.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Must be crazy, But that's kind of beautiful because you
flew across the entirety of dare I say it the
United States for the forest.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I literally celebrated every single state and then I saw
fireworks across our great city when we landed. Neighborhoods, municipal organizations.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love seeing me ASPI organizations celebrating.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So I guess we should tell our listeners what's kind
of happening.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so today is a day unlike any other because
we have with us a guest, which is obviously very
rare for a main episode. Basically, our role has always
been we only have a guest if.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They're an actual friend yeah, or they're.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Really famous and they have a lot of followers.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
No in between, No, like, oh I saw you at
a party.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And let's just say this guy does not have a
lot of followers.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, she's so she It's also weird because she's been
on socials for so long. I know she's back on
and it's like, what.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
But that means that she's absolutely near and dear to
her heart. She is one of the og cheekas she
has been with us through thick and thin and honey,
I mean thick and thin, okay, And she's never judged.
She's always been there. She'd sometimes no, she's super judgmental
with her.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I met her literally at a Trader Joe's rom com style.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, we followed each other on Facebook, Facebook friends before.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
We'll get into stories later, but we brought her on
because she's a fucking genius and we're obsessed with her.
Ladies and gentlemen all the way from Los Angeles, California influencers,
influencer and podcaster. You know her from the podcast No
Can Candy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Welcome Matt Finny, friend Hie, best.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Friend, Maddie. Thank you so much for being here. I
just want to clorer listeners and you guys are in
New York and I am remote in Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, that's also what's crazy is it's full Charlie's Angels setup.
Me and Maddie are sitting here in the red room,
both with different types of espresso Starbucks drinks again proplastic and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You and I'm sitting here with a glass of Italian white.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're going full exact Tommy Bahama mode, like you have
a billion dollars in multiple islands the way you look
right now.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Thank you. Well. I care about local economies and I
want to support them and do whatever I can and
build open schools in my name in various.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Develop Tell us a little bit about the wine you're drinking,
just to get situated.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, So this is an Italian White comes in kind
of a fat bottle. It is a natty. I did
get it at our favorite store, Current Vintage. If you
thought that you were going to open a store on
Nantucket that sells both vintage clothing and wine, and you
were like, what should I name it? And then someone
was like Current Vintage would be like that's genius, Well genius,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Boom?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, that's one of our favorite spots.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, Stephen, what are the notes in the wine?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So it's super minerally. My friend Dan was just saying
that it kind of tastes like sucking on a rock
at the beach.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right, it's got that's exactly the type of wine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I always salinity, Salinity, salinity Gomez, all right, she is
serving Salerina and it's just a hint, a hint of
apple root.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Then what I'm not going to say is diaper, because
everyone loves to say that, but I don't get diaper
at all.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
People are trying to be shocking when they say that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, so you may be wondering why we brought up
perfume missed on this episode, I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I do just want to say again that we
did literally meet out a Triger Joe's, which I just
think it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That was so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The first time you ever met.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well yeah, but like Lily, we haven't talked about this
for a while, but you did like an art project
about me in college. Okay, what Ellen showed it to me?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What was the art project?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
The art assignment was like to make a drawing of
someone who you've never met.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh my god, and you used.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
My Facebook photo.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This was so you, Lily, to do like a non consensual,
like sopper like photo shoot. Like you're like, wait a minute,
there's this girl I've heard of, Like I'm obsessed with
her and I'm gonna like make a T shirt about her.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's the fact that I've blocked that out. And we
also have never discussed in our entire lives.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, I didn't know if I was right to bring
it up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Now, please, where's that drawing we should sell for millions.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Now that you're a top a PDF somewhere, Maddie, were
you flattered or sketched?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I was flattered, of course.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean the muse type of the news.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, Lily was already like a famous artist at that point.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Can you just give us a little bit like this,
take us on your perfume journey, a little bit of
like where it started? What sent kicked you off?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How did you follow your nose to the world of noses?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Thank you for asking. So I worked. I was in
the art world for a really long time. I famously
escaped last year, ran out. I ran out while I
was in the art worlds. As you both know, I
ran a gallery flash perfumery in West Hollywood, California. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
This was done by Eric Eric Peterbrough, Yeah, alum, basically
pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Who works with many famous celebrities, including Reese.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Witherspoon, best friend of Demi.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Jada Pinkett, Smith, Morgan Wade, et CETERA.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Very well known floral designer. Yes, okay, very well known
floral designer. He created a perfume line and that it
was like the intersection of art and perfume, And it
was always in the back of my mind that I
was obsessed with perfume.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
When you say the intersection of ore and perfume, are
you like sprain treasure on a painting or it was babe.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It was the fakest job that you have. It was
like a gallery where no one came in. There was
a huge gold gate that we had to open for
anyone to enter. And it was a store.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Where people are buying dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
People are buying dot dot So it was like people
come in, They're like not sure if they're supposed to
drop four k on like a small painting, or drop
like eighty on a cologne, and then they don't do.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Either, like six hundred on a cologne. And then they
would be like, oh, we were just a blue bottle,
like wanted to pop in. Are we bothering you? It's like, yes,
you are out, you are. So after that job, I
went back to art world stuff. It was so boring,
and then I looked up my human design.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
What wow, la stuff No.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Idea okay, no idea faces.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So it's like astrology, but like even more for.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Girls, astrology plus.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And you have a sense like of the five senses,
that's your dominant sense.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay. So this is kind of like going to Bloomy's
in the eighties and getting your colors done.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And they're just like, you're ruddy undertone.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, you're actually in autumn, and you're just like, okay.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I'm ugly.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, here's a huge burgundy blazer for you to put on. Thanks,
I'll head back to the office.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So my human design said that scent was my dominant sense,
and I was like, well, I'm destined.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So it's fate. God intervened.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Can I ask what your number two cents.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Was, Stephen?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Do you a list? Okay? Sorry? Do you pay?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Are just saying one?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And then they're like no, they say a lot of things.
That's the only thing I really retained. The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Okay, let's announce the book we did with you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So, Mattie, this was your suggestion, you haddsolutely was because
Maddy continues me, my muse, this was my suggestion. Okay.
So you were looked up like memoirs of perfumers and
this was kind of the top result.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's how it happened. I lodged into Amazon dot Com.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Ibsas use code CBC at checkout to actually pay ten
percent more on whatever you're purchasing.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Not prime, because again I wouldn't support prime. Anyway. I
found this and I was like, this is perfect for
Matty Finney to come on the pod.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think it was a cool crossover.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, yes, this book is called In Search of Perfumes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A Lifetime Journey to the Source of Nature sense by
Dominique Looks. Is it aok?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I would give him a hook.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Obviously a Frenchman at the tender age of seventy five.
He's still with us to this day. And he's really
like this, you know, this beautiful old warhorse of the
scent industry. And it's basically him going to different developing
countries and like meeting the local makers and it's very romantic,
and it's about the history of scent and how little
(10:20):
it's changed and yet how much it's changed.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I mean, did you know this was a job.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
No about like procuring the natural ingredients.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Procuring is one thing, but being the liaison yeah, between
like the Primalan farmers.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean I guess I will say, like, yeah,
I did assume that somebody had to do this. I mean,
I guess what. This book I think is a very
hopeful book. And yet it's also like obviously in many
ways he's a dinosaur because.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's also made me a scent activist.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, finally, I imagine that. And he kind of alludes to
this many times in the book. But ninety five percent
of things that we smell that have some added scent
to them are not coming from some naturally you know,
no one's scraping the resin off the cinnamon tree in
Sri Lanka. Like this is just a chemical, completely synthetic alternative.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, I feel like obviously before this I knew,
you know, oh, you get even lavender central oil from
Whole Foods. That's not lavender. You get vanilla Starbucks, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Not I mean, the lavender chapter was completely eye opening
for me. But you know, now I'm wondering, have I
ever even smelled real lavender?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, I don't know if I really thought that because
in my cleans and I worked for an organic cleaning company,
I would buy the lavender central oil at Whole Foods.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You thought I thought you bought the La down.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And people be like, ooh, what smells so good? And
then sometimes I was like, I don't even want to
pay the fifteen to buy that lavender oil at Whole Foods.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well what you had to pay out of pocket for
your cleans.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Huge problem with them. Made industry, Yeah, made their own.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Supplies, made their own essential oils. And I remember buying
like a something like you know, TJ Max and noticing
so much of a difference, and it's crazy. It's like
the lavner Whole Food's fake, and I was buying like
an even then f list faker thing.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So you're a master nose.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Basically, I'm coming out as a master nose. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So do you know that the people who go to
these fancy perfume schools either make the perfumes or they
make tide pods. Oh wow, anything with a fray guance
is made by someone who has like this crazy education
where they have to learn what every note smells like.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So they can make a beautiful bouquet of tige.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean that's also very like persons, Like you could
go to Parsons and you could end up being the
next you know, excellent point body, the next you see
Miaki or you're making like place match for Martha Stuart's
kmart line. Yeah right, this book to me, I mean
the connection between perfume and wine and whiskey. This book
(13:02):
could have been.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, wow, it's its process and tradition.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And Europe and colonization and the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And replace perfume with whiskey. Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Because basically this book is each chapter is a different
country where different like special natural gradient is sourced, and
every chapter is basically exactly the same. There's this like
very kind of like benevolent colonial relationship with an exotic
locale tradition being kept alive. Like there's a small village
where they're the last family who's still doing it the
(13:35):
old way, and all the women like pick the flowers,
and there's one like drunk man in the village who
like has this big opinions and he's like, we're gonna
save this town. And then this French guy like does
help them save the town.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Kind of it's also so Bordain where he'll be like
after hours of watching the local Madagascar woman like burn
one vetera beachy leaf, then the children bathe them in
a river. Then I went with one we drank rakia,
a rice wine. I did get blackout, but we continued
(14:09):
to drink it all night long. And then he gave
me a handful of rice and then we hyped up
a mountain where I saw more poor beep.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I love the old Bulgarian men in the rose belly
of the roses who bring the bottles of rakia with
them just the first thing in the morning. The women
are the flowers, and the men are like kind of
picking the flowers, but also just kind of mostly drinking well.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And the women have like floral like crowns made of roses,
and they're chanting and they're singing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I love how happy and like the Egyptian woman. He
just kept being like, they're literally so happy to be
picking jasmin like therbsast It's also like every time he
goes so he was like, it seemed like I was
kind of the star of the day with his.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Golf shirt and white hair.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. No, so he fully looks like Jimmy Buffett and
he'll get to the town he's like, yeah. Always got
a super into me. And I asked him, how does
voodoo influence the distilling of the holdoway.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
This is the part about the roma in Bulgaria, just
because of a sense of like what the book is.
They start early, working from six in the morning through
to midday. A good picker will harvest forty five kilograms
in the morning, three bags each containing five thousand flowers,
plucked one by one between thumb and index finger. Women
and men of all ages chatter and sing as they pick.
(15:30):
One woman launches into a moving song. She tells me
she is a Russian immigrant and her song of the
vulgar reminds her of home. She works the fields in winter,
but it's too cold then for any singing. Now she
sings for the roses. The roma pick in small groups.
The young ones are cheerful and joke around, the girls
making crowns of roses for their hair, and at the
(15:52):
end of each row, peonies decorated with red pom pom
good luck chom wait for their cats to be loaded
with clear plastic bags with flowers. A gently warming in
the sun.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Stunning.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, this book is poetry.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And then you're like, oh, right, like you know, agricultural
work a is beautiful and noble, b like it is
skilled labor. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thumb and forefinger.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right and like b like, there is beauty and tradition
and a good honest day's work with Rakia at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
He's trying to give a lot of dignity.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I know, it's a lot of degree, it's a lot
of romance.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
My favorite herbalist famously lived with the Romani people for
two decades.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Who's your favorite herbalist?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're not to pry.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Her name's Juliette of the Herbs.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh, oh, Juliette of the herbs. So did she travel
with them?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
She traveled with them. She realized that their Afghan hounds
had the healthiest coat that she'd ever.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Seen, and she said, what makes the coach so healthy?
And they said, well, it's the herbs. And then she said,
I must travel with you for two years and learn
your ways.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, you said two decades.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Decades?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah? Did she find out what they did to the
hounds or was it just the hounds reading naturally and
not this broke you know the hounds coast exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The hounds were eating like rosemary and goat milk. But
one time her kid got cholera and she cured the
child by having her suck a goat's teat for like
three meals a day, and eventually the goats started.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Next time you're sex st even the goat would.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Come and knock at the door of the child it
time to feed.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
The goat was like, suck on my titty, bitch.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Literally the dream my goat's here.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. But also, okay,
we're a goat pod now, well, okay, one thing about
this book, it's very I feel like when ever anyone
starts to talk about scent, the first thing they always say,
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if they're trying to be really poetic, is scent is
tied to memory. That obsessed with saying scent is tied
to memory, And it's just like, what isn't tied to memory?
It's just like, yeah, we remember stuff, that's how the
brain works.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Here, we're like site taste.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
People love the idea that, you know, it evokes childhood,
it evokes the mother, it evokes her abandonment of us
and all the rest of it. And so it's like
there's something that's supposed to be more primalent animolic, which
is another word we see a lot in this book.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I mean, in a way, I don't think that's wrong though,
because when he works on the creation of the famous
perfume Mugler's Angel.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I was hoping you'd bring it up.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, there's Mugler, and then there's like the head perfumer,
and then there's the creative director and it gets, you know,
shuffled down. They're like, we want to evoke her childhood,
which is musk vanilla beans. Like ill, it's like, what
was your musky house child? But I think a lot
of Welters we're musky.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But I see. Then that comes to the idea of
sent aside to memory, the memory is always the past.
We always think of the past as dusty, as the
treasure box, you know what I mean, as your heart beating.
It's terrifying, right, yeah, fact, because it's like there's no
way we think about the past, or isn't you know
in history it's the same way when we think of
the future, we always think of like the Jetsons. It's
kind of just like you always think of this retro
lifea there's always some sort of implanted idea of what
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the past is. I think, maybe removed from our actual experience.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And especially also because I think since a lot of
now perfumes, as he says, Petuli, which we will get into,
evokes the seventies. That's always going to be alto the past.
If it's hippie, if it's vinyl.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
The seventies will always be the past. And I will
say that I'm here for I'm sorry to everyone wearing
a high waisted pant like got real. Yeah, it's always
the past.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And if you're bringing back flares for the nine hundredth
fucking time.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You don't like flairs, I love flares.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I'm just saying like we're still, we're digging deep. And
the Pechuli fields, the problematic petuli fields.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's one of my favorite smells.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Petulia is. Yeah. I think people have like kind of
stupid preconceived notions. I hate Patuli and it's like you
could spell some me petuli and love it. You just
have this idea that you have a very little vocabulary
to talk about sense, and so for you, Patulli means
sleazy club owner with slick backed hair. Therefore Patuli's gross
And it's kind of like, Actually, it's like, as.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You're talking, babe, I'm thinking, like, why is it boud
to smell like that?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I agree, right, Like I slick my hair box it's.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
People are so funny about perfume, the idea of like, oh,
I only want to smell like whatever, like the pages
of a magazine. I only want to smell like something
like completely neutral, or I want to smell like a
duty free or I want to smell like a wood,
like a creamy wood.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, you know what's interesting. Have you seen the German
show performance that was like the erotic thriller. It's based
on a book where it's like you create a scent
out of like a human corpse, and like that's like
the sexyescent.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It was famously Kirk Cobain's paper book, Oh oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's a twisted erotic book, but like one of the
like villain crazy like perfumologists in the book says this
one thing where he's like the best sense in the world,
The scent that he's devising that will make anyone fall
in love with you has to have just a tiny
bit of human shit.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh exactly, exactly because we all smell it, Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Because it's so animalistic, and I mean part of it
is that it's taboo, right.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, what's the naughtiest thing you can smell?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So we're not supposed to like it, but then we do.
But then part of it is that it actually comes
from us. It is the body itself, and to some extent,
you know, scent is always trying to like get us
away from our heads, right from our self awareness, from
our self consciousness, from you know, go, go go, then
nine to five, like how do we release from that
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and get into a pre verbal space and that scent
And so there is something to be said for the
primalness of shit, of human excrement, of bo for example, completely,
But that comes to your thing about Patuli, where it's like, yes,
why not smell like the big, fat, nasty, sleazy club
owner who's fingering the bartender in the dumpster. You know
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what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Petuli to me is so not club owner, by the way.
It's head chop, it's hippie girl, huge super skirt, tiared
tank top that's like auburn. It's grateful, dead patches. And
here he says, he goes, why is because it masks
the scent marijuana. Steven.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I hate to do this because you're not here, but
I brought a Petrulli sample to smell.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You guys, smell and I'll watch the smell because scent
is visual as well.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's erotic.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, that is erotic. A little peeping tom.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, okay, So what you have there is a tiny vial.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's a tiny littleca scent bar. Yeah. I just picked
up a few things.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I'm gonna sniff this like poppers.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I wouldn't would.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay, okay, like rail it And I'm new to this. Yeah,
so how can you apply actually on me?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
So what I'm doing right now a DA for our listeners. Yeah,
hang out my left hand.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I'm erotically putting my little finger on Lily's smell, delicate wrists, orange.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Peel, lemon blossom, key lime pie.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I don't say words, you don't even know what they mean.
Lemon headshop.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, okay, it's lemon blossom headshop. It's a pie shop
that also sells weed and skirts and pieces.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
When you say pie, Lily, are you getting like a
dairy of cream sense? Or is it more than paste? Like?
Is it it's the bread?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, it's the floral cream. It's it's whipped.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Wait, why do you think of bread? Bread wasn't bad?
There's something yeasty?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, it could be that. Maybe it's the light crust.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She's a yeasty boy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I see you guys evoking yeast. You're rising.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
There's a lot of yeast camera stat I see the
east lowering and rising.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So this is like a little bit of a soapy
PETULLI like to me, it smells like a bar of soap.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
This is cool. I don't know if I presume wear this,
but I think like Chick was wearing this, or I
think Stephen could rock this and it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I've been off the cent train for a long time.
I used to wear Imporio Armani. Louis.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, in a way, you're not off the Sentraine because
you actually usually have quite the strong scent. You're all
on the sent train where you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You're talking about my bo.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, you very famously do not wear deodorant, and it's
kind of your thing.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't usually wear deodorant, And the deodorant I do
wear is Gillette. I go Gillette so hard spring rain.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And is that a Boston thing, Lily, because Jillette is
a bub Jellette stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Honestly, yes, I feel like I was just like at
the drug store, I wanted something clear and kind of
to smell like a spring Man's shower. Yeah, Gillette stadium.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I think that's like perfect. I love the smell
of like rainy what man.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So you're saying you're kind of probio, because for me,
I've always felt that the bio smell is like a
it's natural man. So my whole philosophy is that like
pheromones and biology, like if you're.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
A pheromones, yeahermones.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, pheromones are pheromones ponis.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is activating
some biological response and other men and they're going, oh hello.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
To a point, I think yeah, to a point, I
think so yeah, it's like okay, let's do fifty percent,
and then the other fifty is kind.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Of like, well, okay, I feel like pheromones actually are alive.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Oh oh my god. The craziest thing I ever said podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Is true.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Because everyone's obsessed with the idea that like, perfume smells
different on different people, and in like the summer, you
can only wear certain things and in the winter. Have
you ever found that to be true? Have you ever
put on a perfume and said this smells vastly different.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, of course me no, you smell an old lady
perfume when you're like, that's an old lady wherever I'm
smelling it, You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
The idea that a man can bring out like a
peppery musk, like maybe a smidge.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Perfume makes the man that the man does not make
the man perfume. Last night, Maddie put a scent that
actually kind of like changed my life on me.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It was an artificial ooje.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, so explain what ood.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Is an ood?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Oh e A U D No, it's o U D
you guys, there was a whole chapter on it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let me look at the glossary quickly.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So ood. Sometimes people call it agar wood. It's like
a very traditional Middle Eastern old wood resin, right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I mean I was so blown away by some of
these processes of just like these old women about scraping
resin off of bars.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Wait ooh you imagine scraping resin when like you have
no okay, and this like drags Americans to filth and
literally me thinking that scent was cool. It's striking smell,
quite unique at once woody and milky, is instantly recognizable
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to western is. It is bewitching evoking a form of
the sacred of the unadulted, exoticism and mysticism and irresistible
vision of India. We spontaneously associate the smell of sandalwood
with the smoke of the incenstick, and it's you know,
us Americans being like, ooh, that's cool, that's travel.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I love that part too.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I mean, I do think that so much of
the evocation of all these different places is supposed to
be exotic. I mean, I think that's always what it's been.
I mean, it's like how the Arabs originally found jasmine
in India, then they brought it to Spain, and like
the rose that was like called the Damask rose, but
it was actually Persian, and then it was that was
like brought to Italy like by the Moors, and it's
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just like everyone was bringing everything everywhere and then like
being like, oh, this is so exciting because it reminds
me of like a different land. It's like part of
perfuma is just gay panic, is just us wanting to
be somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I literally couldn't agree more. I think people when people say.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like perfume of the future, so it actually isn't always
the past.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's the Judsons ragrance. Yeah, what does the future smell like? Yeah,
but I do think when people say perfume is tied
to memory, I would argue, in fact, it's tied to fantasy.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, and the fantasy of what even was, Yeah,
fantasy of the past, the fantasy of the future.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The idea of something smelling like mysticism. That's not an objective.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No scent, but I think, you know, to Western's mysticism
is always going to have a sort of an Eastern
thing because of like what we think of as mystical
and stories and the media that we're exposed to.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
So I know that we're talking about sandalwood, but you
want to smell.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Uj Yeah, that's smell it through the screen sun. So
this scent that she put on me last night, instantly
I was brought back to the wreck room by the
lake house that I went to a Maine as a child.
Oh that had a card table and an old bowling alley.
You set up the pins yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Really, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's like old fashioned nineteen twenties bowling. You roll the thing, yeah,
hit the pins, and then you have to walk set
them back up. Yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Wow, sounds exhausting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That is the past.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Maybe I put it right there. So this is a floor.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
What flowers are you getting in there? Low daisy hydrangea maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Which I smell my Starbucks to clear my head.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You don't know, just airwork.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Okay, this is stunning, I guess, and I'm gonna be
totally honest. I could improv here and make a little joke.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We don't make jokes on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Name some flowers. Absolutely no idea what flowers are coming
to mind? But what is coming to mind is just
it's subtle. I'm already in a perfume mad it's feet
in big tall grass. It's a vintage slip.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Oh my god, it's porn.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I love that. Okay, big tall grass feet. I'm wondering
what the feet are are there? Cankles? Are these tans?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Honestly, it's it's like a little tan, but not that tann.
A little mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Okay. This isn't a girl who's been laying out on
the vineyard all summer. This is like mid June.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Or July or September. It's actually September.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's shoulder season.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
For shoulder season, the crackles are out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Okay, I brought here. So this I brought from my
mom's bathroom. This is an Oscar de la renta o
to toilette.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That bottle stunning.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
The bottle has like a very kind of feminine quality
to it, almost is like a body.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But it's also kind of like an Art Deco building.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yes, it is very Art Deco. It has this kind
of long cylinder with these two smallest soldiers on the side.
It's very like curvy and yet phallic at the same time.
Quite absolutely, quite strong. It is amber in color, quite liquid.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Beautiful, task aged.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yes, rum not whiskey. Wow, Okay, I just smelled it.
It evokes my mom.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And is that a memory or a fantasy your mother?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But it's both. It's my fantasy of her buying me drinks,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it smells like money,
mommy money. It smells like mommy money. It smells like
leaving the house. I can hear the jangle of the wreath,
the Christmas wreath against the door as the door closes
and we toddle off to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's winter drinks.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
There's something white Christmas about it. Because again I do
get a little bit of alcohol, which I told you
I didn't love. But it's almost a stringent there.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I'm going to fragrance. Looks like it's been macerating for
like fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
No, I mean this is whine.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Now are you getting which we haven't talked about? And
why you said winter in the wreath? Are you getting
notes of cinnamon?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh my god, now that you said it, I am
and the Sri Lankan cinnamon farmers and despite all the
tragedy they went through civil war, the tsunami of Tutha.
Did you clock? We call this like a synchronicity between
different books. But we read Nate Burkis's Coffee table Book
and his.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Partner was breaking Coffee table Book.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Where his partner was called in the tsunami two thousand
and four, and then this book we get to the
tsunami again, which so adversity effected the island of Sri Lanka.
And yet the cinnamon farmers remain undaunted their bravery and
they continue to peel the bark and sell it to
Swiss multinational conglomerate.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They persevere and sell it and the Swiss make a
heavy profit.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
All and then this Swiss will use those cinnamon molecules
and sell them to Nesli, another Swiss multinational conglomerate, who
will use it in their baby formula. And that's beautiful.
And that's the age old tale of the travel of sand.
Wait quickly before we go to segments, there's an amazing
description of vedaverir. So Vedevere, of course, is a root
(33:44):
to WHI I didn't realize. Often mined in Haiti, another
place that has just been ravaged by both politics and
nature with the earthquake, and then you know colonization, corruption,
lack of diversification of them. But there's a really interesting
description of the scent of vedevair. Am I pronouncing that right?
(34:05):
I say?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, I was saying at.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Every stage of our visit to the factory, the scent
of vedeverair is different, and he is able to find
the specific evocative words to describe it. It may swell warm, brown, woody,
like tobacco, powdery, earth were honey. It may have a
long finish that intensifies a sedery feel, dry but sweet,
with a touch of hummus.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Just a touch of ummus. I think that's humus. But
I was very good used Does that mean like humidity?
H u m us.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I think it's just a different spelling of hummuss. No, oh,
you think it literally means like the concept of humidity.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think it's something closer to that than like a
chick pea puree.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wait, oh my god, you're right. I just looked it up.
It's a dark organic material that forms in soil when
plant and animal matter decays. Okay, I thought he was
literally talking about hummus.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Checked period. Sit back in your sailboat, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I will say this. I think it would be
more into a perfume misubtle notes of hummus than vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I bet you. I don't think have had a pure
complex vanilla.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, I'm sure I haven't. I've had vanilla, and I've
had vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, alternative, we out here being vanillas. Okay, before we
got to segments, round table, make a perfume? What's in it?
What's it called? Maddie go first?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Okay, So mine is vanilla, cherry, butter, crusty.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Sugar, yes, sour, yes, spicy roman.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And that ever.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay, what is it called.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's called La series.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh my god, the cherry of love.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And that's in French and extra credit what's the bottle.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
It's actually not in a bottle. It's not in a bottle,
It's in a tiny You wish I were a pounch.
It's actually a curry cup.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It's made by dustry.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
And it has to be brewed to order.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh my god, Wow, that's a huge turn on for me.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Chills absolutely selling. No one steal that. By the way,
all you all you French colonizer perfumus, Swiss genevan Yeah,
you Genevan vanillas. Get us stop listening.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Keep your hands off my vanilla.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, Mine is, as you say, French butter, deep deep, dark,
dark yellow French butter, almost an amber butter, dill fresh
bill real lavender.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Did you say amber butter?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
No? I said. The butter is so dark, it's almost
the color of amber, you know when butter is like
so French, it's like almost from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, it's so yellow.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's so fucking yellow, the yellowest fucking butter you've ever had. Butter. Yes, Yoki,
very farm fresh chicken butter. Oh, actually a little bit
of better than buleon roast chicken flavor. I fucking died
for that flavor.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
You're starving right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, you're like, it's butter, it's chicken, it's more butter,
it's oysters.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Hold on, it is oyster shell. So that's super super
rocky sylinic when it's super shelly, and then ball sweat,
super super hairy hairy ball sweat. This is like from
a guy in I want to say Germany, from like Berlin,
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like you know, not the Spanish guys who are putting
like cologne and shaving their whatever and then come which
I think is a little bit of that shit flavor.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You know what I'm saying, Well, that's the creamy, that's
the milky.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That's the creamy, that's the milky. Okay yeh. And it's
called husband.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Of course bottle.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's actually it's a sphere that you just roll over
your body.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh and you just kind of roll it all over yeah,
okay again best selling husband. I mean the way that
there must actually be so many colognes called husband perfus
patent pending. I feel like right now like people are shivering.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Although I have to see. I think the thing with
men is that they usually want to be desired by
a lot of women, but they don't want to be
tied down so it's actually probably not true. It's like
not a fantasy of men to be like a husband,
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But you can't tie it down because it's that bottle.
I think.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's rolling down the street women my neighbor. Wait, have
you seen my husband? No, I'm talking about the colon.
All right, Lily, go Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
This is gonna be super quick. Is my favorite smells.
It's gonna be a trio of different types of Christmas trees. Frasier, balsam, Douglas.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Fur sounds stunning already.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Burnt leaves on like an autumn day. Really, yeah, this
is so good, tiny bit of like actual heirloom cherries.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You can't copy my ingredient, not synthetic cherry.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, sorry, that's the cherries exit.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You should have plum hints up, plum plum leading the witness.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Is it so tacky if I say espresso?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Absolutely not. I love coffee and.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I love this holiday cent.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, I mean this is like like I want to
be Yankee candle, but like actually good, We're like a
Christmas scent that isn't discuss I love that and the bottle,
I mean it's super minimal Christmas tree.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So it kind of pass those three tiers.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Three tears. The listener, I'm drawing at Christmas tree with
my head, and you don't want it to be Yankee candle.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Swear right, job, it's Christmas tree shaped and smells like
Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
But it's the elevated Yankee cand And what's it called.
Is it called bubble?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's called.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
We're workshopping that.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We're taking that Distanta's workshop.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
In search of.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
How does she live, what does she wear? What does
she eat? Okay, what does she eat? I mean, I
think he is being very bordane.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's what did he described?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He described eating grubs in Laos. He eats scrubs and
he was like, you know, if they didn't taste bad
or good, I just ate them with the rice. And
that was the normal thing. And I could tell that
my host was being so like, oh, this Westerner is
gonna eat grubs, and he was kind of like, fine,
I'm just having the grubs.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And then sometimes so he is having like a sizzling
mountain side Vietnamese barbecued beef cubes that sound like legendary.
But I do think sometimes he's like, it's it's grub,
a fried egg okay, but.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'll say this, I do feel like post this book,
his twenty twenty era, he's very like conferenced ted talk whatever.
I'm sure he's doing pretamande like left and right, and
he's just so like airport grabbing a salmon rap on
the way on the way to a talk on the
way like an amazing talk at like the Institute of Sandalwood.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And I think his forked is hovering over the prat
salmon rap like he's leaving half. He's not downing it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Really maybe now.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And his wife is like, did you eat anything? And
he's like, I don't know, had they samma and prett rap?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Do you think he smokes six?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay, here's what sane is. I think that like he
does because he's literally just French and seventy and so
he did smoke cigarettes until he was fifty five and
then he stopped.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Well, the way he talks about other people smoking six,
he's like in the way that she dragged to the cigarette.
You like that?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, okay, but that also makes me think that he
maybe quit by that time.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And misses it because it's like because.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
He's almost nostalgic for it when he's describing it, and
he's always describing to other people smoking but not himself.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Okay, yeah, good detective work.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Also just random how he mentions his son twice and
he's like, my son won an archery competition. Anyway, I
was in Porta Prince.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
For two years.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, and you're like, what's happening there? Okay, how does
he live? Yeah? When he's not traveled.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I mean their house is so books. It's like French
Nancy Myers. Like it's just like coffee tables and books
and little patios and like.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It would beyond the Nancy Mars. It goes into a
little bit like Cambridge, where it's like the amount of
things he must.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Have from travels, his travels. I'm sure it's nickknacks everywhere
and just like little containers of that of roots that
have been soaking for decades, y y y y yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I feel like if you go to his house and
you kind of have a bond or not, even he's
trying to get rid of stuff and he's like, oh,
come into my office. This I got in nineteen seventy three.
It is a vetever god. And then he's like give
you and you're like, oh my God, and it's like
he's he has like six in his drawing.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
French people also love to give you slim books, so
he's giving you like a slim like French edition and
it's not a first.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Edition of just like just a French edition.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
A French edition of like an Egyptian novel. And he's
just been like, this was very important to me when
I had my son, who I do not see And
you're like, okay, now I have this book. What is
he where? Golf shirts?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Golf shirts, Patagonia baggy?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Wait, you think he's in a five inch baggy.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I think, oh, he's in five inch baggy, but he's
had for like twenty five years, you know. And also
I think he goes to the Patagonia store because you know,
they have like that exchange program because it's so ego
you can like get money off your next pair, so
he brings in a pair.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Of I don't think he's going to the Patagonia store
in Excellent Provence. I don't think he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You don't say, but where do you think he's getting
his shorts?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
His wife is going to this like l like once
a year, and she's getting him these like good sturdy
cargo shorts from some brand shoes now and they're fine.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I can't see him in cargo shorts.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I do. He's got to stuff sobody, even Nilibin's in there.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
No, that's actually a good point.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He's in Cartorage.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
He needs store.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I just think at one point he went to the
Patagony Hgo. I'm not saying it's every year. I'm just
saying once in his goddamn life.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
He went there once to like give a talk and
sustainability and he was like, it's super impassive with the
Pagonia company. Is I think they prevent a and I'd
love to see what? And then like that was it?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And he wears the shirt that's like the flap in
the back definitely.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Oh for sure, back flap backslap girls.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And then just like the most dad sneaker boot.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Merylkay, who are you in the book, Maddie, Maddie.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I guess you're Dominique. I mean also your creative director
at Mugler and you're ultra fem at Mugler and you're
saying I want childhood.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, but is it Maddie also kind of that like
Whip Snapper Bulgarian girl.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Wait, who was a spy?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
You know who like decided to not become a spy.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Because she loved Bulgarian rose too much.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
He loved the rose industry too much. She was like,
I will not be a spy, but like I will,
like really like just bring this rose industry back.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yes, because you know you would go out to dinner
with all the spies and they would pay for everything.
You'd be like, this is so fab and then you'd
have kind of come to rose moment. You'd be like,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Oh, so the spy industry is like the art world.
But I'm sconding from.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yes, and you said no, I choose Rose.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I choose very much like the life of a spy.
I will be followed by the art world. My entire life.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Live Hanzl ric Obrist is in the lobby of the
iHeart Building right now waiting for you to come out, going, Maddy,
I'll hold you into Tell me how does failure smell?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
That must be fun for you.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I did kind of identify Dominique when he's always opening
up like a school in a random developing country, because
as you know, I do have a classroom named after
me in South Africa. But you didn't know that my
name is not exactly engraved in stone. It's more like
it was printed out. It was laminated. It was a
print out.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You're this month's patron.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, a little of it, maybe, but I think it's
there every year.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
You're definitely dominant because you're like falling in love with
a Bulgarian rose maker, but then like going back to
your son.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Ultimately, I feel like I would be a more present father,
but maybe I wouldn't. I would just feel like he
did archery ons. Anyway, I gotta go in loaves.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I am hmmm. I guess I do feel like I'm
working in one of these fields.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You're one of the Roman people.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I think I am Romani. No. I was like, I'm
a Romani rose. I'm steeping, chanting and chanting and laughing,
and I'm like, the life is good here, like we chill,
we were, It's like work hard, play hard.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I give this book. I would say like three three
and a half notes of vanilla bean out of five. Like,
I thought it was incredibly romantic. I love like the
description of the sheep rubbing up against the sisters branches
in Cyprus, and then the farmers ripping the resin off
the fur. But I did get very little about the
(47:55):
guy himself.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's my only note. I'm kind of like, yeah, like
problematic lavender field out of five, Like I think it
was like romance but also political, geopolitical.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I love the geopolitics. Yeah, I love the actual descriptions
of sense. But I did want more about it.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I just need something, one bridge to connect me to
him a little more.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Because he would then he was like and after three
years of tough negotiations, like with the higher ups, and
I'm kind of like, show me those meetings. Talk to
me about the meetings in the boardroom in Geneva, Like
I want to see that, Like that's interesting, you know
what I mean. Don't just romanticize the Third world farmers, like,
actually talk to.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Me about let's get into Genevans.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, there was something, yeah, a little bit too paternalistic
about his just being like and I went to these
countries and they were beautiful and I love the people,
and I.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Have to go.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Maybe he still has a job. He can't be out
here being like fully spilling tea.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh you can spill farmer tea. You can't spell business tea.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, But that's what I'm saying. I'm a little bit like,
you know what I mean, be an equal opportunity t spiller.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, Maddie, you're writing mine.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Is a form agarwood, trees gorgeous or something.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Out of five brilliant.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Well, so you would recommend this to people in your field?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I think it's like, well, it's a field study, really.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Your literal field.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I think that the way that he describes the perfumes
is interesting. I also really like the way, like when
he's talking about entfloorage and how it's like you put
a layer of fat and then you just lay the
jasmine over.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
That was fascinating. Yeah, on these slabs of concrete and
outside of Cairo and they're just slamming down all this
jasmine and then putting like butter on top of jasmine.
I guess I don't know what fat they're using.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, salt right, fat, poor salt fat acid.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Bitch. I can't believe we're coming to the end. But Maddie,
where can we find you? When our listeners are hearing
you being like whoaa O? Can you just host this ball?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah? Can I get more fitty please?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
But first Finny, the first Finny nosecandy Podge available apples
on everywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Look your substack.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Find me there, yeah, my substack.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Okay, and your address home address.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Social Sturdy, perfume, Enjoyer dot substack dot com and.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Will be in our show page. Okay. Thank you so much, mad,
so much mad.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Welcome back anytime, literally anytime. This has been a dream,
this fun bad. This episode of Celebrity book Club was
Stephen and Lily was produced by Derby Masters. She invented lavender.
I visited her house in the fields of Fronts and
(50:43):
she gave me a leaf. I smelled it. I've been
thinking about it for seventy use. There are supervising producers
Abu Zafar. He gave me a glass of rice wine.
Once we talked and talked and talked. One of the
best nights of my life. Our executive producers, Christina Everett.
(51:05):
I actually sued her in Geneva because she stole some
patuli leaves from me. We are good, but there is
a lot of legal between us. The artwork is by
Teddy Blanks. I bought one of his paintings in Haiti.
We were both there and I said, that is beautiful.
He gave it to me it is in my home.
(51:26):
This theme song is done by Stephen Phillip's Horse. I
would listen to his music or my discman when I travel.
It kept me through some really hard nights. This podcast
with both them produced by Prola Projects. They made the
first fragrance I ever tried. I was thirteen. I was
just a man in a mall in Provence Discount Mall
(51:49):
and I spread it smells good. You can find this
podcast on Apple Spotify. Leave a review if you have
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