August 7, 2024 • 61 mins
Walk the runway with us as we dig into American fashion icon Donna Karan and her memoir "My Journey" live from Bowery Ballroom. We discuss her journey from commuting to Parsons to becoming the Queen of 7th Avenue, and everything in between. We delve into her uneven friendship with Barbra Streisand, why you can never gain weight in the shoulders, steamy affairs, branding DKNY, fundraising for Haiti with Wyclef Jean, and of course redefining the way women dress #desk2dinner.
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And madam okay, are you ready? The book we read
is John care her book My Journey Forward by Barbrus Trisan.
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So we wanted to celebrate like the nineties New York City,
our favorite town.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Hell, yes, downtown New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We also want to celebrate I don't know, one of
the most Buddha people on planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, so, as you know, we do talk about Buddha
neists and white women embracing Eastern religion on this podcast
quite a lot, and the esthetics of that embrace. And
Donna Karun Basically this book is about her like journey
to becoming Buddha, like like, yes, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
About her marriage.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, it's about creating a massive fashion empire.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, it's about defining the New York look and giving
women a way to succeed in the workplace and in
their private leisure life and look good doing it and
feel comfortable in clothes that just work.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's so crazy, like I didn't realize until reading this
beautiful book called My Journey, which by the way, classic
name where it's like my.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Story always, my story journey.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
She's obsessed with resting her hand on her knee and
it's the cover. But then every photo I googled of
her is this, and it's like her at her house
and BALI this her at her house in Soho.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
This, it's a East Hampton this.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
There's a sensuality in the knee up, but it's also
like powerful. It's just like I'm a sexy sheeo. So
it's like I'm casual, but I'm also like opening my
crotch to the world because I lead. I walk into
a room and I lead.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It also shows how, like let's say it, her clothes
can be worn from desk to dinner.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
SheerID, she invented desk to dinner. I didn't realize this.
No one was doing that before.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean classic like memoir where she kind of like
acts like she invented everything she's ever done, and it's
always just her being like I wanted a pair of
jeans that fit, but there were no genes that fit women.
And you're like, well, I don't know if that's true.
I just think that you you know, it can always
be hard, and you hadn't found a pair, but like
it's a little like you weren't the first person to
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ever make Denham for a woman.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
She's like, no, but I am, and I'm actually the
first person to all to like photograph New York City
to advertise gans.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, and this is the thing is so she's from
Long Island, and I do feel like that really informs
like there's almost nothing more New York than being from
Long Island. Yeah, because it's like you have this view
of the city where you are viewing it in like
kind of this touristy where where you're seeing it as the.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Big apple, the big city, the big cheese.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's where you gotta make it, honey. But like you
do still have access to it. So you have this
like kind of like cheesy tourist idea that's very superficial
and like.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And you're taking the train to Penn Station, which is
a magical place and so but it's also gritty and
you can get off with the bag, being like, yeah,
I had to get off the train station to go
to Parsons School of Design where I failed the draping
class because I'm badass and punk and downtown.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And she's like too artistic to drape. But then she's
all about draping and she's like I love the precision
of Calvin and he respects tailoring as I do. By
the way, case you were wondering, huge Israel supporter, Waally
held a fundraiser for the idea, but her story recently
like not just for like the hostages, the actual the army,
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like they need money even this book.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Being like, oh my god, I love peace.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And me and y clob Sean are fundraising for Haiti
and like that's kind of my main interest. And I
sold all my shores in Donna Karen, because like all
that matters is like saving the world.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But let me have an idea fundraising.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you know that was ages that, but she's very
close with the Clinton's.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She's the most Clinton codd like, let's kill people like
person like, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's just you know, powerful women. It was the nineties
to each other.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah. So one of her main inventions is the cold
shoulder dress, which means, yeah, we have fashion people in
the god yeah, open shoulders and what's so iconic. At
the end of the book, she says, anyone can wear
a cold shoulder even if you're fat, because you never
gain weight in your shoulders.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Crazy as yes, And then you think about it and
you're like, you're like, oh great, I never gained weight
in my shoulders.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Like, and I guess I'm never like my shoulders are
So it's.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Though, yeah, because when I look in the mirror and
I'm just like, oh, I'm so fat. I'm never like
touching here.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Being like oh not today.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I guess that's because they're at the top and it's
like gravity vibes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
She's like, women are always to me like, oh, I
could never bare my arms because I have fat arms.
And she's like, but your shoulders are still thin.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So then you cover this area because obviously this air
can be super problematic, right, the skin like droopy.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
No one believed in her when she wanted to do the.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Cold shoulder dress, well no, and they shelved it. Okay,
so here's what happened on okay, Bergdorfs or whoever was
just like, oh, the cold shoulder, we hate it. It's
not selling, like put it away. And then Hilary Clinton
saw it in one of their many meetings where they're
a meaning about invading Haiti or whatever, and she was
like a lot of us, my shoulders are the one
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part of my body I'm comfortable exposing in front of
my husband Bill, with whom I do not make love.
And she wore it at her inaugural ball and give
this she bought it, just had a bootique in Arkansas,
off the rack, off the rack, her own money. Oh right.
They weren't having any meaning about it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
She was just at like she was boutiquing her or
she was like out of Macy's in Little Rock.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, cossick Macy's shuffling.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And that's why we love Hilary. She's a woman of
the people, mama.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And that's why you have to shop by RL, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So she wears this and then the cold shoulder starts
flying off the shelves, which is so weird because it's
like Hillary fashion my con But you know in the
mid to early nineties she.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Was turning it up.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah no, yeah, no, I mean I mean like Yale.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Hillary or whatever, like she was hippie, hot, hot, bisexual.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, she was a bisexual daughter, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then this army suit. This is kind of her
thing where she was like, I invented the body suit.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, that's another thing she says, she's fully invented. There
is this little thing where she keeps saying she was like,
so I designed like a skirt that would be the
same color as the skirt from last season, So if
you had the shirt that went with the last skirt,
it would still go with this shirt. And it's like
you're just kind of describing clothes like you're not like
you're not inventing a new paradigm. That's like and this
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goes with it. It's like, you know, people are like
you need a capsule wardrobe when you travel. It's like
that's just clothes, Like that's just like wearing clothes. The pants,
like who I wear this pants with this t shirt, Like, yes.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm like if I may read from here.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So when she first gets her own line, after Ann
Kline passes away, she.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Starts working out for A and Kline, which was you know,
very like businesswoman attire.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, like that's where your mom kind of just like skirts, yeah, smatching.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well my not my mom now, but yeah, my moms
in the past, past mom past here has a past
mom who wore suits in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
She takes over and Kline and this is after like
so much drama where like a Cline hires her and
then An Klin is like, you're so messy and you
have too much add because of course she has add.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, I mean one of the three lanes of this
book is her insane neuroticism and like yes, like she's
a fabulous New York like jewess, long islander like therapist.
She's like addicted to her therapist, but like your.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Rask and like her husband, mother, daughter all go.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So the revealed she found out years after going to
this guy that her mother was going to the same therapist.
Isn't that the most like a legal thing you've ever
heard of? That should be a felony?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And the therapist is also like at the CFDA Awards,
I'm a little bit like and the step back.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
For a second.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The therapist goes to the shows, and then people always like,
who is that, like, lovely old bearded man with like
small freud glasses, who's at all your shows? And she's like,
that's a friend. That's so weird.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Oh, And of course her mom is like every mom
in the fifties and is always like having migraines, insulting her,
putting her head in the oven, calling her fat, remarrying,
like taking away black and white photos from her, being like,
you can't look at those, And then.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On her mom's deathbed, her mom reveals no, She reveals
to her mom that she knew her mom was married
before the father. And then the second she finds out
her mom died, she goes, somebody get me a pall mall.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
She's always like, well, of course me and an clein
were smoking like chimneys on our fabric trip to like Germany, and.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Then everyone's getting cancer. She's like, maybe it was all
the cigarettes, but maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So I saw a psychic, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Then she's like, one of my many psychics, okay, but
of course, like literally every woman who has ever written
a memoir, I stood out in every way, even physically.
I was always among the tallest girls in my class.
By high school, I was already a towering five to seven.
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They called me spaghetti legs add add I was tall
and skinny and tiny, and I had huge breasts and
I was flat chested with my big, tall, tiny breasts.
I was so awkward. Now everyone hated me because of
how tall I was.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And at one corner, she goes an ant Kline was
small and built in the front. Me I was thin
and built in the back, and you're like, okay, my,
my bo.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Junk straight into that Antkline office and there's like, petite little.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Everyone had parsons.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Was afraid of my juicy, fat ass, and they should
be afraid of it. And that's why I invented the
wrap dress.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It really is that She's just like, sorry, I have
huge tits and they're tiny, and my ass is so
massive and I'm so tall it's terrifying. So I need
to kind of squeeze into like a Nichehawll scarf sweater
turbine that buckles in the front.
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Speaker 3 (19:27):
She is gonna marry this guy Mark, who owns a
store called Piccadilly in Long Island, which is like a
clothing storage.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I'm like dying to go to Piccadilly.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, do you think it's just like striped button.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Downs, striped button down still the louses and suits and
and her father, of course was into tailoring knockoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Which is fab Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean like it's my parents were in the fashion business.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's classic like mommy daddy footsteps, and it's all about
like her wanting to im press her father who died
in and then like the mom is obviously very The
mom's name is also Queenie.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Her mom's name is like Queenie at home, but Richie
at work on Seventh Avenue.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
She's always just like Queenie was calling the office over
and over again asking where I was, but I was
having an affair. It's like, if your mom's name is Queenie, like,
I guess you'd have to be a fashion designer.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I'm also like obsessed with the mom calling her being
like is my daughter like fucking right now? Like calling
the Ankleine office being like, okay, as donna give me
a blowjob right now?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like what's happening?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So she gets with Mark, but then she meets this
sexy ponytailed tan rocker named Stephen.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And it's a super snowy night in New York City.
She's a virgin.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
The trains back to Long Island have been stopped. She
goes into like her friend Susan's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Room with Stephen, and this is a yeah, this is
the v Well, she didn't lose your virginity to Steven
she does, which she does.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
She literally says, I went to bed with Stephen for
three days even though I hadn't married Mark yet.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
But she'd already fucked Mark at that point.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
No, she says she was a virgin.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wait what Yeah, Okay, Sometimes when you're reading this, a
lot of words.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But there's a lot of names in this that's when
I gathered and reading comprehension is so cool and this
is why we do this podcast.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Does he always marry Mark without having fucked him?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, it's like the seventies.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I don't know if people did that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But she's not like so Catholic. Okay, I that's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So she was addicted to Stephen and so while she's
sleeping with Stephen, she marries Mark, but then Stephen adopts
a Great Dane and then she gets married to Mark
and makes Mark and her adopt a Great Dane.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So it's like her connection to Stephen like spiritually, she's.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
She's completely.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
She's like, hey, Mark, what have they got to Great Dane?
I don't know where I got that idea, so Randa.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And then on their wedding day, that scene when they
see Stephen walking the Great Dane by the Plaza in
New York City, And at this point Marcus found out
about the fair, but she decided to marry him anyway,
and she points him out. She goes, that's the man
I was having an affair with. Don't worry, I'm never
gonna see him again.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Like bitch, my wedding day yourself and she was on
your wedding day. People may think that that was crazy
to me to say that, but I just wanted to
get it out there. Then she just continually has an
affair with Stephen until she divorces Mark and then marries Stephen.
But that's like, that's beautiful, and she says, you have
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to take those risks.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And they broke up in therapy with fucking doctor Rafts
or whatever, and he's kind of doing her bidding the
whole time, because.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She like leaves and she's like, I have resort where
to design. I have to go and Marcus, they're like sobbing.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She's like, have to get to the offices.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah. So she's kind of like she's coming up in
the New York scene and she is working an incline,
launches her own label as we can see with all
of this drape being and she's marrying and then it's
kind of like the money for.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
The well, should we get into the seventiesy pieces?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, let's get into Let's get into the city.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Let me read the seven easy pieces. So her first
Don and Karen collection one the bodysuit, the foundation, the base,
the starting point, put it on and you were dressed,
whether you added a pant or a skirt, a jacket
or a sweater. Inspired by my love of yoga and dance.
The bodysuit ensured sleekness underneath it all, and she's very like, yeah,
it's nineteen eighty five and I've heard of yoga, so
(23:46):
I'm pretty cool. Alternatively, we had a white body blouse,
a sensuous, feminine take on a man's big white shirt,
chic and feminine and a glossy charm moved. It had
a notch collar and a folded cuffs. The white lit
up the face and accented all the black. The plunging
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the elominated the neck, while a body suit bottom kept
the neckline in place.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And it's like the white shirt classic.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Diane Keaton, Dane Keaton, Carrie Bradshaw. The boyfriend button down.
No one feels sexier than when you're in your big
boyfriend's button down because also, if your boyfriend has a
button down, then he has a jaw of a because
that's what that is about. That's about like, my boyfriend
makes money, and it's.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
About okay, if you're like, boyfriend has gone to work
and you're waking up and you're being like, I can't
believe my mother's Park Avenue apartment. And then you like,
this is the button down and you.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like put it on.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's so big and it just shows how thin you are,
and you're like, what, I'm swimming in this, and then
you like look through his stuff. And that's the plot
of Little Black Book, starring Brittany Murphy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I will say give it up a Little Black Book.
I will say nothing is more of a turn off
than win a guy. It's just like, yeah, I gotta
go to work at a thirty, so you're gonna have
to leave. Then it's like, you can leave me in
your apartment. What do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You're like, I'm staying, bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Wait. By the way, this is a completely insane review
on Goodreads because all throughout the book, Donna's just being
like And then Barbius Streisan and I wanted to go
see a psychic in Spain, but then we got on
a private plane and went back to Aspen where we
saw a terror car reader. And this woman is being like,
I hated how not Christian this book was, and I'm
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so happy that I'm in my Christian faith and I'm
not some loser like Donna Carron searching Christianity.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm so glad I'm in my faith.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I guess Christianity is kind of like you're deciding
to give up the search that's the christian You're just like,
I'm staying where I am. I don't want to know
anything else whereas you know, the search of Buddha is
very just like I'm desperately needing something else, anything, and
I'll look and i'll look, and i'll look and I'll look.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Okay, then she's obsessed with tights, and half this book
is about her being like convincing the world that you
need to have tights in a dressing room because women
try on clothes in the summer.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
And I was like, make it make sense, Bame.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't know. She was saying that women try on
like like fall clothes in the summer, which I don't
think that's really true anymore. You're not really buying men,
are you buying?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
You try and fall clothes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't think we buy for the season ahead ladies. No, No, yeah,
that sense like yeah, like the department stores do that,
but individual customers aren't. Just like I need my fall
wardrobe in place.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's like, all guess you're like, well, darling, let's go
fall shopping.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, if only I had hoosiary.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Because or not. Because her a thing was that you're
gonna walk into the restroom without hosiery because it's the
heat of the summer, but you'll need hosiery to see
how the false skirts look.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
She's like, everyone doubted me.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
But then we put the hosierie in dressing rooms and
women were buying clothes at like a eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And she worked very closely with Haynes to develop a
new hosierie that would not tear. And it was the strongest,
most elastic hosierie that's ever been developed. I mean, you know,
she's a seer, she's a thinker. This is a part
about her sort of inspiration process as a designer. I'm
always creating. Everything talks to me first and foremost fabric,
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but the sun talks to me too. The flashing lights
on the street talked to me. The rocks on the
beach talk to me. It's actually hard to have so
much visual stimuli talking to me.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I brought a beach rock. This is your pro this
is my proper vial. Let's do the donna.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
This is so beautiful. Wait, let me finish your reading.
Let you just finish this part. You guys start taking
inspired by this rock.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Just look at it. We can pass it around too.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I look at the beach and I see the wet
part and the dry part. Artistic genius. The wet is
more yellow, the dry is more blue. Okay, synesthesia, I'm
already confused warm versus cold. I've brought rocks with me
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to Europe and wet them, so the mills know what
I'm talking about. Yes, I once traveled with a potato
because I loved the color variation of its skin. And
then there was the time in Italy when I discovered
the most perfect color gray ever in the toilet paper
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at an auto grill, one of the rest areas on
the autostrada. Anyway, that's why I know I can't think
like that. You know what? I like that, I'm not
bringing a potato with me and my luggage to show
the millers.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
At first you're like, oh, dumb woman, like yeah, wet dry,
and then you're like wait a second, to bring a
rock to work and in front of like a German
Haines executive being like, can I have a glass of
spark my water?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
He's like, huns guts the water.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Everyone gasps, and she's just like, that's what we need.
The crept machine to look like they're shaking.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Walks out, gets on her private plan. One of my
favorite quotes in here, she goes, not only am I
addicted to boats, but I'm addicted to private plans.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
The boat, the boat same.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The boat was actually one of the craziest of.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
But she was like the Haynes executive was a ballbuster.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Just how I like him.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
She loves every CEO that she meets.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's the toxic Haynes sheeo, and it's like, where's her buck?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, it sounds like everyone is like screaming at everyone else,
and she's like, you're gonna work for me? I do
wonder if the workplace was like so toxic.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Well, it seems like it because she's always been like, oh,
he was the most wonderful assistant and then like you'd
never hear that name again. And then twenty pages she's like,
Holly was wonderful. She was different than me, more rock
and roll, cut off, swayed jackets, but.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Then also everyone's so like she was different than me.
She was suiting buttoned up right, You're like, well.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What are you? Are you like leather jacka or you
h are you both? Like okay, take off the trench.
Now you can go to a meeting, put on the jacket,
have an affairs, and that's the capsule wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
But one thing about the private plane.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
She's always referencing how like ones she made the plane
keep on flying so she could finish Watching the season
finale of twenty four, She's like, sure, I had.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
My moments like the time I needed to finish twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You get it. That is maybe like my favorite thing
anyone's ever done. You know, when you like just fire
up a show on the little screen and then they're
like we're making our descent. You're just like, am I
gonna make it? And then you have ten minutes left
and you're just like, I want to just finish this
Forensic Files episode.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like right, you're kind of like, oh, well, when I
get there's gonna have to be like vacation restaurants, Like
look CAP's wardrobe, Like can we stay in this TV
place for like one seconds?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He's not asking for so much okay, but I do
just to circle back to Stephen for a second. I
do feel like Stephen is cheating on her like throughout
their marriage.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yesterday, Stephen said to me, I can't wait to talk
to you about Stephen, and I said, I also can't
wait to talk about Steve.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because I can't wait to talk about Steven.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
We need to talk about Steven Storry and.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Anya Taylor Joy Josh one of the guys Challengers.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
No, he definitely is, because clearly he lays like the
pipe like she is constantly just being like I'm addictisent.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well and this is and this is what I kind
of intimated to they but we can actually talk about.
But I do think that Donna Karen has a deep
vagina to design this kind of clothing with the black
fabrics and the rouchine and the draping, like it just
screams like you know what I mean, Like she gets it.
(33:12):
You know, she's tunneled, like too fist. I think he's
got I can't He's huge.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
But I think they're like she's also really into hot oil.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
At one point, Barbara at the massage, and Barbara's like,
this is weird, and there're.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Pools of hot oil, and Barbara's like, Donna, this is
too far, and Donna's just moaning on the hot oil.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
They're separated by a sheet at Canyon Ranch, and like
Barbara's over her, being like I'm done, I can't do this,
I don't like this anymore. I'm checking my stocks, and
Donna's just like, oh, is it an amazing Barbara.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Stephen has a three week rule in their marriage that
she can't be gone longer than three weeks, and if
she is, she'll call and he'll be like, huh, where's
my wife?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
But I think in that three weeks he is cheating.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
On her right. And this is why, let me just
say okay. So when they first meet Stephen or like
early before, he becomes like president of her company, which is.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So I find that sketchy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
This is so sketchy, and he's like pressures her to
do a fragrance.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Line Kashmir missed.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Stephen was forced to take all sorts of jobs to
make ends meet. He worked at his father's business, but
he also sold jacuzzis and high end showers.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The most affair like a fair job you can have
because you're like meeting with like moms who are just
like I just want to relax and be hot and
have powerful jets.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
My husband isn't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And then Steven's coming in and like meeting this just
like jewel a Bristide wife, and he's just like, have
you ever heard of a rainfall?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Meet the Silex two thousand. It's not top of the
model Jacuzzi pH levels are safe.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The amount of times he said top of the line
leading edge jacuzzi technology. And he's like an.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Artist and he's a sculptor in the moment, like she
leaves an Klein, He's like, well, I'll take care of
the business.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
She's like okay, yeah, And then he's just like putting
himself in meetings like with the Japanese owners and putting
himself in meetings with LVMH and like.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And like taking the contracts. I don't know it also like.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It is hot and like yes, like I want my
pipe plain man to like be go meeting with like
you know Pino and like al No Tokyo and Tokyo
and just like you know, there's a hotness that. But
I'm a little bit like, Babe, are you like executing
my vision or are you just like trying to make
a buck on the side. He's very like, they also
(35:51):
has you know what I mean, yes, whose name is
also Stephen.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
It's a sketchy but he also has amazing advice. When
she starts decan Y jeans, she's like, wait, I need
to start a sexy dcan Y jeans men's line, and
he's like, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? You need
to start it, Donna Karen men's line. Start from the
top with the more expensive, then you can go.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You can't start men cheap because then they can't get
more expensive, start cheap. It's all over, it's done, which
is very true. Good business advice. Everyone. Take that.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Okay, you're thinking of starting a men's line, make sure
it's expensive first.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Does that mean that we can't do like a formal
wear line? Not because we started with T shirts.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I know we can't do like casual ourselves.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think we fucked ourselves over like all those other
podcasters can be in with shoes, which I'm so confused by.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
And by the way, shout yeah, we love you, but
I'm like, I want a shoe line.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well, we need to like be meetings with a das,
which isn't happening.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
No, we need like our husbands be taking me.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I know, we potentially dozens of customs fly flies to
Germany for the meeting, and then we'll tell good when she.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Goes to Germany and they all buy for coats to
go to Germany. Do you remember that part? And then
she gets a yellow fur coat and she was like,
it was so chic in Germany.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It was insanely she can like sam Maurtz. But then
when they get to New York, everyone's like, who is
this big bird? And then she's like she never wears
it again.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
She's like she was like I was at Grand Central station.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Everyone was laughing at me, going big bird, big bird,
big bird.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Wait? Can we read the discussion where he convinces her
to launch the fragrance on one ninety? Yeah? Class, if
you could turn your page to one ninety please?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Oh wait, it's so crazy because it was in nineteen
ninety book stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I love book synergy between year and page. Okay, do
you want to be Stephen? Sure, I'll see if I
can get into character.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was the winter of nineteen ninety and Steve and
I were sitting on our Khona Swedes sofas having the
same old argument he was determined to build a business
far bigger than our fashion one. Stephen won the legacy,
and he felt that fragrance was the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Donna, headlines go up and down, but fragrances forever.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Look at Chanelle, he said, with great impatience. But I
hate fragrance, hate, I said, I truly did. It was
always too strong, too fake, too old lady ish.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I love essential oils.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Or the clean, fresh scent of shampoo and soap.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I promise you, Donna, we will make a fragrance you love.
We will create and control everything about it.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Good luck, I said, and rolled my eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You like Casa Blanca lilies.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Right, he said, pointing to our foyer table, which always
had a giant bowl of lilies on it.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
What else do you like?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I like Vacuna Suede, our twenty thousand dollars sofa that
you bought us, or I bought us, but you chose it,
and you wrote the check on our JP Morgan Chase
check book.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I remember the day I wrote that check. I got
so high writing all those zeros.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
What else do you like? Donna, smell of your neck? Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think we can bottle that up too. I'll just
have to go to Germany for three weeks and have
a team of Bavarian women take skin cells. That's not
a problem.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Is it? One more?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And that's all it took.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, don, I'm going to need a check for three
million to do my research.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Stephen was off and running, and then I was that's
cashmir missed for you.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
And then it became one of the top selling fragrances
of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
But of course also it was launched before she even knew,
and someone came in the office with a bottle and
she was.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'd be like, she was a little rock may season
saw it and she was just like, what is this
champagne miss body lotion doing? Because she had done the
fragrance but not the lotion.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I would hate to make a body lotion too. That's
I don't know that phrase body lotion phrase. So Victoria's
secret like.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
It's just very it's very mom. I don't know. I mean,
I know they're making incredible things with lotions these days,
but I do think that we're calling it cream now,
Like the word lotion I think has just creamy ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Well that feels like a throwback to be like where
is my cream?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No, but don't you think like the new like fancy
line is going to be like all over body, Like
I don't think Rihanna's calling something lotion. No, it's like
crem maybe maybe it's cream right. Well, and this is
the thing, it's like where I do think that beauty
industry and this goes for fashion too, has circled back
to Europe after that because Donna Karen. Here's the thing
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about Donna Karen is that she was like part of
this new vanguard of American designers and was like probably
the like peak of American designer dumb. And you had
Peri Elis and you had Tommy Hill figure and like she.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Was pretty Tommy tom she walked so Tommy could run.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Okay, yeah, they were also like walking in separate lanes,
but like there's room for everyone. But they're both nineties.
But just like fast forward to now and just like
American designers are not what anyone cares about and it's
like there aren't big American brands besides like tell Far,
which is like not like a yes, we love Telfar
in this house, but it's just like they're not at
that level, Like we don't have these huge American houses anymore. Oh,
(42:34):
I'm hearing some groans. What are the big American houses? Okay?
I mean Birch Now Tory is like turning it out,
but I just feel like America like hasn't really fully
brought it back in a big way.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Who recently stepped down.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
To focus on her foundation? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Her foundation?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
When she goes public and Barbara streisand buys shares in
her company and then loses money.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah Barbara, imagine kissing off Barbara. Imagine making Barbara lose money. Okay,
but also she goes Barbara Streisan is really good at
day trading, which we knew from.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Reading her like coffee t But she goes Barbara Streisan's
I was like, I like to spend the first seven
hours of.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
The day in bed day trading.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Same. And so she gives her good friend, Barbara streisand
a million dollars just to see what she'll do with it.
And Barbara makes eight hundred thousand dollars profit in six months.
Yeah yeah, wow, is right? Eighty percent returns in six months.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I would kill to one half a million dollars to
give it, save it to barbaron like go wild. And
then they're in Cabo and like Donna cared. There's like
three hundred pages of this book where she's always like
it was so good because Barbara Streisand's husband got along
with my husband.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
With the husband, and they're just like we were in
the private jet with like pam My. At one part,
she starts referring to pay my juice friend. Oh yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
She's like I wants pam My juice friend was coming
on the.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Tree and there's like my spa friend and there's just
like spa juice Tennis fire island plane, psychic.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Barbara. And then so they're both like, oh, like I
love being in Cabo, and Barbara's like, yeah, it feels
good not to pay for anything either, and Donna's like
excuse and she's like, yeah, you're paying for this with
the money I made you when you gave me a
million dollars and I made eight hundred thousand dollars for you.
(45:00):
And then everyone starts screaming and it actually sounds really tense.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, I do get this sense, because like she'll say
stuff like like Barbara and I like we're sisters, and
of course we fight, but we don't see each other
often enough to really fight. That was kind of a
crazy reveal.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I know two friends who never fight, but like, do
you think they're.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Talking about like sexuality and she's just being like, Donna,
I came six times last night. I think I got
my new Donna Karen collection, three hundred thread cow cheets soaked.
I had to give them to my Brazilian cleaner, who's
also my healer, so.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Wet in my body suit. That's when the rap skirt
comes into play. It's like, I just scared you with
my sexuality. I feel like honestly, Donna's talking about getting
railed by her new healer, and Barbara's kind of like
on her Robinhood app being like, oh, Donna, you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
No, Barbara is absolutely half checked up, the glasses are
on inside.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
She's transitioned.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, and then she was like people often asked why
Barbara didn't come to more of my shows, But it's
because she was too famous and she would get like
too much paparazzi and I would distract. You really don't
want like paparazzi your show. I feel like that was
a point of tension.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Between them, definitely.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
She's like, no, it's totally fine that Barbara doesn't come
to my show. Yeah, that's literally cool.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
No, I don't want the attention. I don't want that's
too much press. I've just the right amount of press.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
And then when Steve and her husband with this person's
really sad is dying of lung cancer, she's like, what
if we had Barbara come and sing as you die?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
And he's like, I actually don't want Barbara stress and
to me, the last thing I hear that's actually weird.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
He's like, my one dying wish is not to have
Barbara streisand singing as I do pass.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
But thanks for the offer. And she's like okay, like random,
but sure.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
And at this point she's gone what we're calling fall Buddha.
She's like, my collection was inspired by monks, and I
was traveling and we went to Bhutan. It was the
most beautiful country I've ever seen. And then we went
to Bali and it was the most beautiful country I've
ever seen, and I wanted to move there and buy
property there. And then she does buy property in Parrot
k She.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Buys Probaby and Para Kay and then her daughter Gabby
gets married there and she's like, ough, her husband looked
so hot at the wedding.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
He was so parent k. She starts to kind of
sublimate her attraction, like to her dying husband, to her
daughter's husbands, which I wonder if maybe all mothers do something. Yeah,
it makes sense. Yeah, I hope to one day, absolutely,
I hope to gaze upon my daughter's husband will in
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Bali at your sexual eye to penetrate my.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
She does that, she's like, oh, he reminded me of
Stephen so much. And you're like, does this Italian guy
that owns a restaurant in Southampton called Tutto Orno reminds.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You sculptor boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I don't totally get it, but sure whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, I think it reminds her of like the vigor
of her early thirties early to me into the late thirties,
wherever you fall in that spectra.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, and she's like at this point, she's like lost herself,
and she literally starts talking to rocks on the beach
and the Hamptons, which is why I rock this rock.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So yeah, she talks to this rock and then the
rock is in there. One summer, and then she chooses
a bigger rock that won't move.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
She's been like Donna, Old Donna, little girl from Long
Island with the fat ass who failed draping at Parsons.
Remember you, I don't you want to talk to her?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Donna? What have you become? Your international company has sold
billions of dress worldwide. You've licensed your perfume, your eyewear,
your shoewaar, your software, your hosiery in seventeen different countries.
You just opened a standalone store in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
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But where's Donna? What does she really need? Is she
still getting railed by her sculptor husband? Yes, yes she is.
But when he does, who will rail me? Will it
be my yoga instructor? Will it be my Brazilian healer
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who has moved in with me, Yes, yes it will,
Thank you to my Brazilian healer Sam. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
By the end, I truly could not keep track of
all the properties.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
You're saying, it's all the properties, it's all the foundations.
She starts this thing called Urbans and with.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
This is like only after she's like sold her company
to Louis Vautoine.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, her vision for it is that she's just like,
I wanted it to be a safe space in the
city where people could shop, eat, me, meditate, cafe treatment.
It's cafes. There's street level retail and a condominium.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Oh yeah, there's a library, goes She's like, oh, I
know I've done so much, but I really want to
get into condos and you're like living in them, buying them,
selling them.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I'm lost, what's the story here?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (50:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
She also claims she's like, oh, me and my daughter
are best friends. Obviously not.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
She's like urban Zen shares a courtyard in sag Harbor
with my daughter's Italian restaurant.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
To tell, it's just it's ultimately a very accumulative I
think at the end of the day, and you know,
she's made her money and it's she's earned the right
to buy a lot of property, property adjasent to her
daughter's husband's properties, and only one can hope to do
any think that's beautiful. Yeah, okay, we do have to
wrap it up. We should go to segments right now.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Last thing thought, she wants to go to Burning Man
and I think she'll make it.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I think she'll get there, and we hope to join
her okay.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
Segments, the seven the segment Collection New.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
York, the seven easy Segments.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
The seven easy Segments.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Seven easy segments.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
So what does she wear?
Speaker 4 (51:23):
How does she live?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
What does she wear? Obviously lots of seven pieces, really
big chunky jewelry. She's gone into like rock driven jewelry. Yeah,
like there's always like bangles, and she was already too
gold and silver. Then I think she got into more.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Like gems and kind of stolen gems and yeahs, stolen wood.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Everything is stolen at this point.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
I mean, she loves the artist in hand and as
she says, she loves celebrating the intersection of culture and commerce.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
When she went to Indian with like doesn't look like India.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Like this is why she's like the most like Buddha
woman thing of all time.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
Nothing can reach her Buddha fantasy where.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's like she gets to Deli and she's just being
like it's giving city, like and then she like finds
some like rich guy who's like, let me take you
to like the like this famous city that like all
of like the tourists go to that's actually been so
ancient temple and then she's just like, Okay, that's what
I'm talking about, and like she goes to Balie and
she's like, again, it's giving city. And then someone is like,
(52:32):
let me take you to my like insanely exclusive resort
that's just like little Happens in the mountains. And she's like, okay, this.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Is this is the Eat Prey Love music. She's just
like fuck, yes, okay, So what is leather jackets. She's
like sess with leather jackets.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
It's a drapy, it's come through.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
It's a lot of jersey.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
She's talking to a rock right now in like the
chunkiest sweat.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Into this severe pony. I know she's kind of lady Fag.
I want to say. I don't know if you guys
got that reference.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Wait, she like literally is lady Fag.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I know, Like she's fabulous, she's a good bes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
What does she eat?
Speaker 4 (53:16):
She never mentions food.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
In this book, not one morsel of food.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Sorry. At the end she goes raw and loses twenty pounds, So.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Kudos for her. I mean obviously like she has an
eating dis owner from the mom, but like it goes
really uninvestigated by doctor Rash but.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Really not doing the work over there. On seventy six.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
But yeah, she's like forgetting to eat, and I don't
know really what does she act? She wolfing like a
leftover burrito Like later, I just like, what is she
actually eating?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Ever?
Speaker 4 (53:48):
I think it's like Smoothie's green juice.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
And then yeah, someone's putting a salad in front of her.
She's eating it and it's like salmon. And then she's
going she's going to Tutell Jr. Not getting the pasta,
but she's like, you just hold aposta, just do the sauce.
And it's kind of this hot.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
In that place that used to be like meatballs.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
To go that was wait the meatball shop.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Wait, yes, you know what I'm talking about, and you
could get a weird cup of like just sauce sauce.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
She she's trusting sauce and she gets to be so
long island about it be like sauce Sundays.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
But she is because of her love of potatoes, potato pia.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yes, it's all closed down fast, it's.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Like fast casual source that don't exist anymore. How does
she live? Okay? She At one point she talks about
how Barbara is very monochromatic, like Barbara's house, her messy
has like the all blue room, the all red room,
and she she has an all black she has an
all black Barbara. But that was her trying to copy Barbara.
And then at one point Barbara trips over a coffee
(54:55):
table because it's the same collar as the rug and
the floor. Barbara, he yells at her.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
This whole Barbara.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Barbara is like the popular girl, and she's like desperately
trying to like please Barbara and like give her millions
of dollars and like copy her home aesthetics.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Because by the way, it's like we have not read
the Barbera book, but like I will bet you a
hundred dollars, Barbara hardly mentions.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
In those nine hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'm sure you go to the index Catana.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Like drinking Urban send curbside juice every time she mentions.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Barbara in the index. How many Timessanna is mentioned, me
and my good friend streisand Barbara Clinton inauguration and DK
and and then there's like thirty entries DK's birthday party,
four first meeting with DK as singer, four different spirituality
and travel with I guarantee you no not mention, Okay,
(55:59):
who are you in the book Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Think are you Stephen, No, you're not like motorcycles, sway
motorcycle yeah, and like addicted to racing.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Sorry, but do you think I'm having an affair while
I'm like trying to get money from Olivia me?
Speaker 4 (56:25):
That maybe, but like I just.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Like France, that is true. I'm like you.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Stupid, You're lying, bitch, missed.
Speaker 4 (56:34):
Where the fuck is your head reading the market?
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh, you're like stupid lily. They don't want creams. But
then I come out with a cream and then you're like, see,
that's why I said to you, we need to come
out with a cream.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
It was my plan all along.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
I was tricking you to come out with a cream. Yeah,
I guess I'm Donnaca's a d D and I failed
dreamed and fashion illustration.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yes, and like boyfriend laser.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah no, I mean you love a big boyfriend laser.
But you're not like so rapid salad, although.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Sometimes you are like rap, I'm Chicken Caesar rap from
the airport seven eleven.
Speaker 9 (57:19):
Yeah, and you would do a cup of sauce absolutely,
like I have some like get the sauce on the go,
why not sip it like bone broth?
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Okay, I don't know. I reading book like, I don't know.
Maybe the writing. I'm giving it kind of a three
out of five. It's medium. There are some really funny scenes,
like that vacon Is scene, and like I love when
she gives her husband like property and parrot cay and
he goes, what am I looking at? And she goes
ten acres like she has a flair for those moments.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
You like not your best friend, but definitely like an
aunt you're afraid of, but also your best friend. Like
you're like, are you best friends today? Or should I
be scared of you? I'm not sure, And you're like
about to staying a sofa. That's how I felt this
entire pluss.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm two seconds away from saying the sofa and you're like,
should I brought my own napkins? You're just like, do
you have seltzer? In case I do stain? It's nerve
rancking for sure. So but I give her life story
like a five.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Life story five out of five.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
And Tuna women's fashion.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
And her inventing jeans because as we know, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
There literally were no geans before Karen.
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, So I'm giving it, yeah, three point five out
of five for me personally, for my journey not home,
just still going.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
But I give you guys the audience a five out
of fives. You guys are so fun. You get us
up in the morning. This is one of the funnest
mix periences.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
Keep us.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I've been doing this podcast. You're the reason we read
a book oh week, every week. Every week.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
You're keeping our mind fresh sharp.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Okay, you're staving off aging and dementia, which is coming
on rapidly.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Okay, wait, we're gonna do a bouquet toss lily.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
This is a thick book. This could hurt someone. We
can't please. I'm nervous. This is I don't know if
there's like a liability issue.
Speaker 4 (59:24):
Okay, no, we don't want to get sued.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Like if this is a paperback, I would say we
could never mind. Look, you guys, here I am being
the Stephen telling you what you can't.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, controlling me saying I can't throw heavy things because
I'm so Stephen.
Speaker 4 (59:37):
I want to race, you want to catch it. I'm
just gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well that's kind of now you're leading the witness or
you're stacking the deck like it's just going to go
to front.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
Okay, race for it. Okay, we have to go and
we have to go.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Please buy.
Speaker 6 (59:50):
Our teachers were smile by Donna Karen buying station Bokays.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
You can please take a Bowery staff tip your bar.
Our tender had so much fun today. We love you guys.
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Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It was also produced by Darmi Masters, who was my
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Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
She now is at Caroline Herrera and doing great work
and great designs. We don't speak, but she produced it.
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Our associate producer is Aboo Zafar. Thank you so much
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Way, has anyone tried the new scallion? Cold room dead silence? Absolutely,
because you guys aren't trend followers.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Your trend here. That's right, you guys are so fucking
on trend. The style in this room is crazy. I
can't see any of you, but I know I got
all of you, Okay, Susy super.
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Like our new t shirts.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, they're inspired by nineties icons called inclines on a car,
johnn and Karen Tommy Jeans is a little show calling
grace up thirty eight Network WV not the CW that's
post this inspiration.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You guys might have noticed we did put Dolola as
a sponsor on the flyer and some people are like,
oh my god, I can't believe you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah we got We got a lot of messages being
like congrats you guys finally made and we were.
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Like absolutely, actually totally.
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And for those who don't know, Do Lola is Jennifer
Lopez is ready to drink cocktail, just part over ice.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It comes in the flavor of a palomo, which is
inspired by like tequila in summers.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's gonna take us a good ten minutes to catch
our brat. It's like, no, we work out, I go,
I go. I do twenty minutes on the incline. You
know what I'm saying. Eleven point five.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I do like twelve minutes on the incline. Because then
it's just like, well, this is boring at the end
of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But when you're listening to your favorite podcast, Okay, so
you reached out to do Lola.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So should I'm going to read the LinkedIn message.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Shut it up, pull it up. I said, this is
a prop comedy. Now, the prop being Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It hates me on the phone, but here we are, Okay,
partnership opportunity.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
This was this was this was your email to do
Lola a.
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LinkedIn message to the p R girl who works for Dolola.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, okay, so there could be a subject head in
linkedinag this is your.
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Opportunity with Celebrity book Club podcast slash Deloa.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Cocktail already sounds like spam.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Cole Comma, got that right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I am reaching out on behalf of my podcast, Celebrity
book Club is Stephen and Lily, produced by I Hurt Radio.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I love that it's your reaching out on behalf of yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I know, I like should have done like a fake pop.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I know you should have had so Tan France that
invent like a third Lauren to email the other Lauren.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Hey, this is Jessica.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is Jessica Meyers shoals.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I guess I didn't have the confidence to like And
that's my summer twenty twenty four goal.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Invent to pr Brunette and inhabit her.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I would love to discuss a potential partnership opportunity with
Dolula as part of a live show our podcast is
doing at the Bowery Ballroom in New York City on
June fifth. We are huge fans and have been promoting
Dolola cocktails organically on the podcast for over a year,
and our fans are posting to Lola on social media
and spreading the love. I would love to discuss the possibility.
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I say possibility like twenty times. I've incorporating Do Lola
Cocktails into the show on June fifth, which will have
over four hundred CBC fans and attendance.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Hon say, more people than have ever been to a
j Low concert.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'll oh right, we're here to sid It's so sad
because it's like this could have saved the tours, could
have saved her marriage marriage tour. We could have her
non binary child m on stage.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Em could be passing out Delola shooters, Ben smoking in
the quarters, pissed. He's happy.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know. If there's interest in working with the pod
for their live show at the Bowery this summer, please
don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks for your time and consideration,
and I look forward to hearing from you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Damn best nail my job. No response. In Nicole's defense,
LinkedIn is so random, like so true. He was checking
their LinkedIn messages.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I hadn't been on it since two thousand and five
when my dad made me set up LinkedIn.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So well, I went on recently and I saw a
message from two months ago that said someone found my
wallet in Burlington, Vermont, and she was like to thank you,
and she was like, I turned it into the police.
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Narc LinkedIn is oh cop heavy, so's a lot of
sa You should have said, hi, I work for the
NYPD on behalf of Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Maybe then she would have responded to Mayn Delola Booth
All right, well you guys, we are so happy that
you're here. This is a huge it's a huge moment
for us because people are always like, it's such a
career myersol to do Bowery Ballroom, But it's actually more
of a career mashone to do it a second time.
So true, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Anyone can do it once like Maren Morris.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, let's see her ass back here.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, no, try it again. So we're so grateful. We
have a crazy show, insane show played for you tonight.
Settle the fucking Yeah, I hope you went to the bathroom.
Let's bring out our kind of Raymore and Flannagan table gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Maybe there's one thing we love. It's heavy. Mahogany.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I feel we say heavy mahogany like the on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
When is not heavy? I guess that's the question. Just
like a light, plateful mahogany. When they were making everything
a mahogany, they were doing it heavy and heavy. That's
what happened.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Now I'm things are getting serious.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Putting the mic in the stands Joff, Ladies, ladies, we're
gonna talk about a book.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Buckle up.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Let's just make sure this is sturdy. Let me get
a little more. I want to really be able to
look in at your eyes.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, I contact is so poor when you're making love
or business decisions.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
And madam okay, are you ready? The book we read
is John care her book My Journey Forward by Barbrus Trisan.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So we wanted to celebrate like the nineties New York City,
our favorite town.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Hell, yes, downtown New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We also want to celebrate I don't know, one of
the most Buddha people on planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, so, as you know, we do talk about Buddha
neists and white women embracing Eastern religion on this podcast
quite a lot, and the esthetics of that embrace. And
Donna Karun Basically this book is about her like journey
to becoming Buddha, like like, yes, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
About her marriage.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, it's about creating a massive fashion empire.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, it's about defining the New York look and giving
women a way to succeed in the workplace and in
their private leisure life and look good doing it and
feel comfortable in clothes that just work.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's so crazy, like I didn't realize until reading this
beautiful book called My Journey, which by the way, classic
name where it's like my.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Story always, my story journey.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
She's obsessed with resting her hand on her knee and
it's the cover. But then every photo I googled of
her is this, and it's like her at her house
and BALI this her at her house in Soho.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
This, it's a East Hampton this.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
There's a sensuality in the knee up, but it's also
like powerful. It's just like I'm a sexy sheeo. So
it's like I'm casual, but I'm also like opening my
crotch to the world because I lead. I walk into
a room and I lead.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It also shows how, like let's say it, her clothes
can be worn from desk to dinner.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
SheerID, she invented desk to dinner. I didn't realize this.
No one was doing that before.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean classic like memoir where she kind of like
acts like she invented everything she's ever done, and it's
always just her being like I wanted a pair of
jeans that fit, but there were no genes that fit women.
And you're like, well, I don't know if that's true.
I just think that you you know, it can always
be hard, and you hadn't found a pair, but like
it's a little like you weren't the first person to
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ever make Denham for a woman.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
She's like, no, but I am, and I'm actually the
first person to all to like photograph New York City
to advertise gans.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, and this is the thing is so she's from
Long Island, and I do feel like that really informs
like there's almost nothing more New York than being from
Long Island. Yeah, because it's like you have this view
of the city where you are viewing it in like
kind of this touristy where where you're seeing it as the.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Big apple, the big city, the big cheese.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's where you gotta make it, honey. But like you
do still have access to it. So you have this
like kind of like cheesy tourist idea that's very superficial
and like.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And you're taking the train to Penn Station, which is
a magical place and so but it's also gritty and
you can get off with the bag, being like, yeah,
I had to get off the train station to go
to Parsons School of Design where I failed the draping
class because I'm badass and punk and downtown.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And she's like too artistic to drape. But then she's
all about draping and she's like I love the precision
of Calvin and he respects tailoring as I do. By
the way, case you were wondering, huge Israel supporter, Waally
held a fundraiser for the idea, but her story recently
like not just for like the hostages, the actual the army,
(11:31):
like they need money even this book.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Being like, oh my god, I love peace.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And me and y clob Sean are fundraising for Haiti
and like that's kind of my main interest. And I
sold all my shores in Donna Karen, because like all
that matters is like saving the world.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But let me have an idea fundraising.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you know that was ages that, but she's very
close with the Clinton's.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She's the most Clinton codd like, let's kill people like
person like, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's just you know, powerful women. It was the nineties
to each other.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah. So one of her main inventions is the cold
shoulder dress, which means, yeah, we have fashion people in
the god yeah, open shoulders and what's so iconic. At
the end of the book, she says, anyone can wear
a cold shoulder even if you're fat, because you never
gain weight in your shoulders.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Crazy as yes, And then you think about it and
you're like, you're like, oh great, I never gained weight
in my shoulders.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Like, and I guess I'm never like my shoulders are
So it's.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Though, yeah, because when I look in the mirror and
I'm just like, oh, I'm so fat. I'm never like
touching here.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Being like oh not today.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I guess that's because they're at the top and it's
like gravity vibes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
She's like, women are always to me like, oh, I
could never bare my arms because I have fat arms.
And she's like, but your shoulders are still thin.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So then you cover this area because obviously this air
can be super problematic, right, the skin like droopy.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
No one believed in her when she wanted to do the.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Cold shoulder dress, well no, and they shelved it. Okay,
so here's what happened on okay, Bergdorfs or whoever was
just like, oh, the cold shoulder, we hate it. It's
not selling, like put it away. And then Hilary Clinton
saw it in one of their many meetings where they're
a meaning about invading Haiti or whatever, and she was
like a lot of us, my shoulders are the one
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part of my body I'm comfortable exposing in front of
my husband Bill, with whom I do not make love.
And she wore it at her inaugural ball and give
this she bought it, just had a bootique in Arkansas,
off the rack, off the rack, her own money. Oh right.
They weren't having any meaning about it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
She was just at like she was boutiquing her or
she was like out of Macy's in Little Rock.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, cossick Macy's shuffling.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And that's why we love Hilary. She's a woman of
the people, mama.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And that's why you have to shop by RL, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So she wears this and then the cold shoulder starts
flying off the shelves, which is so weird because it's
like Hillary fashion my con But you know in the
mid to early nineties she.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Was turning it up.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah no, yeah, no, I mean I mean like Yale.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Hillary or whatever, like she was hippie, hot, hot, bisexual.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, she was a bisexual daughter, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then this army suit. This is kind of her
thing where she was like, I invented the body suit.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, that's another thing she says, she's fully invented. There
is this little thing where she keeps saying she was like,
so I designed like a skirt that would be the
same color as the skirt from last season, So if
you had the shirt that went with the last skirt,
it would still go with this shirt. And it's like
you're just kind of describing clothes like you're not like
you're not inventing a new paradigm. That's like and this
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goes with it. It's like, you know, people are like
you need a capsule wardrobe when you travel. It's like
that's just clothes, Like that's just like wearing clothes. The pants,
like who I wear this pants with this t shirt, Like, yes.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm like if I may read from here.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So when she first gets her own line, after Ann
Kline passes away, she.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Starts working out for A and Kline, which was you know,
very like businesswoman attire.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, like that's where your mom kind of just like skirts, yeah, smatching.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well my not my mom now, but yeah, my moms
in the past, past mom past here has a past
mom who wore suits in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
She takes over and Kline and this is after like
so much drama where like a Cline hires her and
then An Klin is like, you're so messy and you
have too much add because of course she has add.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, I mean one of the three lanes of this
book is her insane neuroticism and like yes, like she's
a fabulous New York like jewess, long islander like therapist.
She's like addicted to her therapist, but like your.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Rask and like her husband, mother, daughter all go.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So the revealed she found out years after going to
this guy that her mother was going to the same therapist.
Isn't that the most like a legal thing you've ever
heard of? That should be a felony?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And the therapist is also like at the CFDA Awards,
I'm a little bit like and the step back.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
For a second.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The therapist goes to the shows, and then people always like,
who is that, like, lovely old bearded man with like
small freud glasses, who's at all your shows? And she's like,
that's a friend. That's so weird.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Oh, And of course her mom is like every mom
in the fifties and is always like having migraines, insulting her,
putting her head in the oven, calling her fat, remarrying,
like taking away black and white photos from her, being like,
you can't look at those, And then.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On her mom's deathbed, her mom reveals no, She reveals
to her mom that she knew her mom was married
before the father. And then the second she finds out
her mom died, she goes, somebody get me a pall mall.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
She's always like, well, of course me and an clein
were smoking like chimneys on our fabric trip to like Germany, and.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Then everyone's getting cancer. She's like, maybe it was all
the cigarettes, but maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So I saw a psychic, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Then she's like, one of my many psychics, okay, but
of course, like literally every woman who has ever written
a memoir, I stood out in every way, even physically.
I was always among the tallest girls in my class.
By high school, I was already a towering five to seven.
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They called me spaghetti legs add add I was tall
and skinny and tiny, and I had huge breasts and
I was flat chested with my big, tall, tiny breasts.
I was so awkward. Now everyone hated me because of
how tall I was.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And at one corner, she goes an ant Kline was
small and built in the front. Me I was thin
and built in the back, and you're like, okay, my,
my bo.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Junk straight into that Antkline office and there's like, petite little.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Everyone had parsons.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Was afraid of my juicy, fat ass, and they should
be afraid of it. And that's why I invented the
wrap dress.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It really is that She's just like, sorry, I have
huge tits and they're tiny, and my ass is so
massive and I'm so tall it's terrifying. So I need
to kind of squeeze into like a Nichehawll scarf sweater
turbine that buckles in the front.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Her best friends consider this, You're Haitian to come to
our merch pop up next Thursday, August fifteenth at Fredericks
in May sixth Allen Street, four to seventh.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
There's gonna be wine. There's gonna be batch that I
just say batch. Yeah, there's gonna be batch T.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Shirts, long sleeves, CBC n Y Merch pop Up fredrickson
May August fifteenth, four to seven.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Come.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
She is gonna marry this guy Mark, who owns a
store called Piccadilly in Long Island, which is like a
clothing storage.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I'm like dying to go to Piccadilly.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, do you think it's just like striped button.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Downs, striped button down still the louses and suits and
and her father, of course was into tailoring knockoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Which is fab Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean like it's my parents were in the fashion business.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's classic like mommy daddy footsteps, and it's all about
like her wanting to im press her father who died
in and then like the mom is obviously very The
mom's name is also Queenie.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Her mom's name is like Queenie at home, but Richie
at work on Seventh Avenue.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
She's always just like Queenie was calling the office over
and over again asking where I was, but I was
having an affair. It's like, if your mom's name is Queenie, like,
I guess you'd have to be a fashion designer.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I'm also like obsessed with the mom calling her being
like is my daughter like fucking right now? Like calling
the Ankleine office being like, okay, as donna give me
a blowjob right now?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like what's happening?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So she gets with Mark, but then she meets this
sexy ponytailed tan rocker named Stephen.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And it's a super snowy night in New York City.
She's a virgin.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
The trains back to Long Island have been stopped. She
goes into like her friend Susan's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Room with Stephen, and this is a yeah, this is
the v Well, she didn't lose your virginity to Steven
she does, which she does.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
She literally says, I went to bed with Stephen for
three days even though I hadn't married Mark yet.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
But she'd already fucked Mark at that point.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
No, she says she was a virgin.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wait what Yeah, Okay, Sometimes when you're reading this, a
lot of words.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But there's a lot of names in this that's when
I gathered and reading comprehension is so cool and this
is why we do this podcast.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Does he always marry Mark without having fucked him?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, it's like the seventies.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I don't know if people did that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But she's not like so Catholic. Okay, I that's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So she was addicted to Stephen and so while she's
sleeping with Stephen, she marries Mark, but then Stephen adopts
a Great Dane and then she gets married to Mark
and makes Mark and her adopt a Great Dane.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So it's like her connection to Stephen like spiritually, she's.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
She's completely.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
She's like, hey, Mark, what have they got to Great Dane?
I don't know where I got that idea, so Randa.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And then on their wedding day, that scene when they
see Stephen walking the Great Dane by the Plaza in
New York City, And at this point Marcus found out
about the fair, but she decided to marry him anyway,
and she points him out. She goes, that's the man
I was having an affair with. Don't worry, I'm never
gonna see him again.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Like bitch, my wedding day yourself and she was on
your wedding day. People may think that that was crazy
to me to say that, but I just wanted to
get it out there. Then she just continually has an
affair with Stephen until she divorces Mark and then marries Stephen.
But that's like, that's beautiful, and she says, you have
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to take those risks.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And they broke up in therapy with fucking doctor Rafts
or whatever, and he's kind of doing her bidding the
whole time, because.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She like leaves and she's like, I have resort where
to design. I have to go and Marcus, they're like sobbing.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She's like, have to get to the offices.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah. So she's kind of like she's coming up in
the New York scene and she is working an incline,
launches her own label as we can see with all
of this drape being and she's marrying and then it's
kind of like the money for.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
The well, should we get into the seventiesy pieces?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, let's get into Let's get into the city.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Let me read the seven easy pieces. So her first
Don and Karen collection one the bodysuit, the foundation, the base,
the starting point, put it on and you were dressed,
whether you added a pant or a skirt, a jacket
or a sweater. Inspired by my love of yoga and dance.
The bodysuit ensured sleekness underneath it all, and she's very like, yeah,
it's nineteen eighty five and I've heard of yoga, so
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I'm pretty cool. Alternatively, we had a white body blouse,
a sensuous, feminine take on a man's big white shirt,
chic and feminine and a glossy charm moved. It had
a notch collar and a folded cuffs. The white lit
up the face and accented all the black. The plunging
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the elominated the neck, while a body suit bottom kept
the neckline in place.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And it's like the white shirt classic.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Diane Keaton, Dane Keaton, Carrie Bradshaw. The boyfriend button down.
No one feels sexier than when you're in your big
boyfriend's button down because also, if your boyfriend has a
button down, then he has a jaw of a because
that's what that is about. That's about like, my boyfriend
makes money, and it's.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
About okay, if you're like, boyfriend has gone to work
and you're waking up and you're being like, I can't
believe my mother's Park Avenue apartment. And then you like,
this is the button down and you.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like put it on.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's so big and it just shows how thin you are,
and you're like, what, I'm swimming in this, and then
you like look through his stuff. And that's the plot
of Little Black Book, starring Brittany Murphy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I will say give it up a Little Black Book.
I will say nothing is more of a turn off
than win a guy. It's just like, yeah, I gotta
go to work at a thirty, so you're gonna have
to leave. Then it's like, you can leave me in
your apartment. What do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You're like, I'm staying, bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Wait. By the way, this is a completely insane review
on Goodreads because all throughout the book, Donna's just being
like And then Barbius Streisan and I wanted to go
see a psychic in Spain, but then we got on
a private plane and went back to Aspen where we
saw a terror car reader. And this woman is being like,
I hated how not Christian this book was, and I'm
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so happy that I'm in my Christian faith and I'm
not some loser like Donna Carron searching Christianity.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm so glad I'm in my faith.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I guess Christianity is kind of like you're deciding
to give up the search that's the christian You're just like,
I'm staying where I am. I don't want to know
anything else whereas you know, the search of Buddha is
very just like I'm desperately needing something else, anything, and
I'll look and i'll look, and i'll look and I'll look.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Okay, then she's obsessed with tights, and half this book
is about her being like convincing the world that you
need to have tights in a dressing room because women
try on clothes in the summer.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
And I was like, make it make sense, Bame.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't know. She was saying that women try on
like like fall clothes in the summer, which I don't
think that's really true anymore. You're not really buying men,
are you buying?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
You try and fall clothes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't think we buy for the season ahead ladies. No, No, yeah,
that sense like yeah, like the department stores do that,
but individual customers aren't. Just like I need my fall
wardrobe in place.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's like, all guess you're like, well, darling, let's go
fall shopping.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, if only I had hoosiary.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Because or not. Because her a thing was that you're
gonna walk into the restroom without hosiery because it's the
heat of the summer, but you'll need hosiery to see
how the false skirts look.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
She's like, everyone doubted me.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
But then we put the hosierie in dressing rooms and
women were buying clothes at like a eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And she worked very closely with Haynes to develop a
new hosierie that would not tear. And it was the strongest,
most elastic hosierie that's ever been developed. I mean, you know,
she's a seer, she's a thinker. This is a part
about her sort of inspiration process as a designer. I'm
always creating. Everything talks to me first and foremost fabric,
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but the sun talks to me too. The flashing lights
on the street talked to me. The rocks on the
beach talk to me. It's actually hard to have so
much visual stimuli talking to me.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I brought a beach rock. This is your pro this
is my proper vial. Let's do the donna.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
This is so beautiful. Wait, let me finish your reading.
Let you just finish this part. You guys start taking
inspired by this rock.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Just look at it. We can pass it around too.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I look at the beach and I see the wet
part and the dry part. Artistic genius. The wet is
more yellow, the dry is more blue. Okay, synesthesia, I'm
already confused warm versus cold. I've brought rocks with me
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to Europe and wet them, so the mills know what
I'm talking about. Yes, I once traveled with a potato
because I loved the color variation of its skin. And
then there was the time in Italy when I discovered
the most perfect color gray ever in the toilet paper
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at an auto grill, one of the rest areas on
the autostrada. Anyway, that's why I know I can't think
like that. You know what? I like that, I'm not
bringing a potato with me and my luggage to show
the millers.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
At first you're like, oh, dumb woman, like yeah, wet dry,
and then you're like wait a second, to bring a
rock to work and in front of like a German
Haines executive being like, can I have a glass of
spark my water?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
He's like, huns guts the water.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Everyone gasps, and she's just like, that's what we need.
The crept machine to look like they're shaking.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Walks out, gets on her private plan. One of my
favorite quotes in here, she goes, not only am I
addicted to boats, but I'm addicted to private plans.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
The boat, the boat same.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The boat was actually one of the craziest of.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
But she was like the Haynes executive was a ballbuster.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Just how I like him.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
She loves every CEO that she meets.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's the toxic Haynes sheeo, and it's like, where's her buck?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, it sounds like everyone is like screaming at everyone else,
and she's like, you're gonna work for me? I do
wonder if the workplace was like so toxic.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Well, it seems like it because she's always been like, oh,
he was the most wonderful assistant and then like you'd
never hear that name again. And then twenty pages she's like,
Holly was wonderful. She was different than me, more rock
and roll, cut off, swayed jackets, but.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Then also everyone's so like she was different than me.
She was suiting buttoned up right, You're like, well.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What are you? Are you like leather jacka or you
h are you both? Like okay, take off the trench.
Now you can go to a meeting, put on the jacket,
have an affairs, and that's the capsule wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
But one thing about the private plane.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
She's always referencing how like ones she made the plane
keep on flying so she could finish Watching the season
finale of twenty four, She's like, sure, I had.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
My moments like the time I needed to finish twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You get it. That is maybe like my favorite thing
anyone's ever done. You know, when you like just fire
up a show on the little screen and then they're
like we're making our descent. You're just like, am I
gonna make it? And then you have ten minutes left
and you're just like, I want to just finish this
Forensic Files episode.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like right, you're kind of like, oh, well, when I
get there's gonna have to be like vacation restaurants, Like
look CAP's wardrobe, Like can we stay in this TV
place for like one seconds?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He's not asking for so much okay, but I do
just to circle back to Stephen for a second. I
do feel like Stephen is cheating on her like throughout
their marriage.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yesterday, Stephen said to me, I can't wait to talk
to you about Stephen, and I said, I also can't
wait to talk about Steve.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because I can't wait to talk about Steven.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
We need to talk about Steven Storry and.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Anya Taylor Joy Josh one of the guys Challengers.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
No, he definitely is, because clearly he lays like the
pipe like she is constantly just being like I'm addictisent.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well and this is and this is what I kind
of intimated to they but we can actually talk about.
But I do think that Donna Karen has a deep
vagina to design this kind of clothing with the black
fabrics and the rouchine and the draping, like it just
screams like you know what I mean, Like she gets it.
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You know, she's tunneled, like too fist. I think he's
got I can't He's huge.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
But I think they're like she's also really into hot oil.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
At one point, Barbara at the massage, and Barbara's like,
this is weird, and there're.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Pools of hot oil, and Barbara's like, Donna, this is
too far, and Donna's just moaning on the hot oil.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
They're separated by a sheet at Canyon Ranch, and like
Barbara's over her, being like I'm done, I can't do this,
I don't like this anymore. I'm checking my stocks, and
Donna's just like, oh, is it an amazing Barbara.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Stephen has a three week rule in their marriage that
she can't be gone longer than three weeks, and if
she is, she'll call and he'll be like, huh, where's
my wife?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
But I think in that three weeks he is cheating.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
On her right. And this is why, let me just
say okay. So when they first meet Stephen or like
early before, he becomes like president of her company, which is.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So I find that sketchy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
This is so sketchy, and he's like pressures her to
do a fragrance.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Line Kashmir missed.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Stephen was forced to take all sorts of jobs to
make ends meet. He worked at his father's business, but
he also sold jacuzzis and high end showers.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The most affair like a fair job you can have
because you're like meeting with like moms who are just
like I just want to relax and be hot and
have powerful jets.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
My husband isn't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And then Steven's coming in and like meeting this just
like jewel a Bristide wife, and he's just like, have
you ever heard of a rainfall?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Meet the Silex two thousand. It's not top of the
model Jacuzzi pH levels are safe.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The amount of times he said top of the line
leading edge jacuzzi technology. And he's like an.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Artist and he's a sculptor in the moment, like she
leaves an Klein, He's like, well, I'll take care of
the business.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
She's like okay, yeah, And then he's just like putting
himself in meetings like with the Japanese owners and putting
himself in meetings with LVMH and like.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And like taking the contracts. I don't know it also like.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It is hot and like yes, like I want my
pipe plain man to like be go meeting with like
you know Pino and like al No Tokyo and Tokyo
and just like you know, there's a hotness that. But
I'm a little bit like, Babe, are you like executing
my vision or are you just like trying to make
a buck on the side. He's very like, they also
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has you know what I mean, yes, whose name is
also Stephen.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
It's a sketchy but he also has amazing advice. When
she starts decan Y jeans, she's like, wait, I need
to start a sexy dcan Y jeans men's line, and
he's like, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? You need
to start it, Donna Karen men's line. Start from the
top with the more expensive, then you can go.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You can't start men cheap because then they can't get
more expensive, start cheap. It's all over, it's done, which
is very true. Good business advice. Everyone. Take that.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Okay, you're thinking of starting a men's line, make sure
it's expensive first.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Does that mean that we can't do like a formal
wear line? Not because we started with T shirts.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I know we can't do like casual ourselves.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think we fucked ourselves over like all those other
podcasters can be in with shoes, which I'm so confused by.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
And by the way, shout yeah, we love you, but
I'm like, I want a shoe line.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well, we need to like be meetings with a das,
which isn't happening.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
No, we need like our husbands be taking me.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I know, we potentially dozens of customs fly flies to
Germany for the meeting, and then we'll tell good when she.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Goes to Germany and they all buy for coats to
go to Germany. Do you remember that part? And then
she gets a yellow fur coat and she was like,
it was so chic in Germany.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It was insanely she can like sam Maurtz. But then
when they get to New York, everyone's like, who is
this big bird? And then she's like she never wears
it again.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
She's like she was like I was at Grand Central station.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Everyone was laughing at me, going big bird, big bird,
big bird.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Wait? Can we read the discussion where he convinces her
to launch the fragrance on one ninety? Yeah? Class, if
you could turn your page to one ninety please?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Oh wait, it's so crazy because it was in nineteen
ninety book stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I love book synergy between year and page. Okay, do
you want to be Stephen? Sure, I'll see if I
can get into character.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was the winter of nineteen ninety and Steve and
I were sitting on our Khona Swedes sofas having the
same old argument he was determined to build a business
far bigger than our fashion one. Stephen won the legacy,
and he felt that fragrance was the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Donna, headlines go up and down, but fragrances forever.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Look at Chanelle, he said, with great impatience. But I
hate fragrance, hate, I said, I truly did. It was
always too strong, too fake, too old lady ish.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I love essential oils.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Or the clean, fresh scent of shampoo and soap.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I promise you, Donna, we will make a fragrance you love.
We will create and control everything about it.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Good luck, I said, and rolled my eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You like Casa Blanca lilies.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Right, he said, pointing to our foyer table, which always
had a giant bowl of lilies on it.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
What else do you like?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I like Vacuna Suede, our twenty thousand dollars sofa that
you bought us, or I bought us, but you chose it,
and you wrote the check on our JP Morgan Chase
check book.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I remember the day I wrote that check. I got
so high writing all those zeros.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
What else do you like? Donna, smell of your neck? Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think we can bottle that up too. I'll just
have to go to Germany for three weeks and have
a team of Bavarian women take skin cells. That's not
a problem.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Is it? One more?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And that's all it took.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, don, I'm going to need a check for three
million to do my research.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Stephen was off and running, and then I was that's
cashmir missed for you.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
And then it became one of the top selling fragrances
of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
But of course also it was launched before she even knew,
and someone came in the office with a bottle and
she was.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'd be like, she was a little rock may season
saw it and she was just like, what is this
champagne miss body lotion doing? Because she had done the
fragrance but not the lotion.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I would hate to make a body lotion too. That's
I don't know that phrase body lotion phrase. So Victoria's
secret like.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
It's just very it's very mom. I don't know. I mean,
I know they're making incredible things with lotions these days,
but I do think that we're calling it cream now,
Like the word lotion I think has just creamy ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Well that feels like a throwback to be like where
is my cream?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No, but don't you think like the new like fancy
line is going to be like all over body, Like
I don't think Rihanna's calling something lotion. No, it's like
crem maybe maybe it's cream right. Well, and this is
the thing, it's like where I do think that beauty
industry and this goes for fashion too, has circled back
to Europe after that because Donna Karen. Here's the thing
(41:55):
about Donna Karen is that she was like part of
this new vanguard of American designers and was like probably
the like peak of American designer dumb. And you had
Peri Elis and you had Tommy Hill figure and like she.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Was pretty Tommy tom she walked so Tommy could run.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Okay, yeah, they were also like walking in separate lanes,
but like there's room for everyone. But they're both nineties.
But just like fast forward to now and just like
American designers are not what anyone cares about and it's
like there aren't big American brands besides like tell Far,
which is like not like a yes, we love Telfar
in this house, but it's just like they're not at
that level, Like we don't have these huge American houses anymore. Oh,
(42:34):
I'm hearing some groans. What are the big American houses? Okay?
I mean Birch Now Tory is like turning it out,
but I just feel like America like hasn't really fully
brought it back in a big way.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Who recently stepped down.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
To focus on her foundation? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Her foundation?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
When she goes public and Barbara streisand buys shares in
her company and then loses money.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah Barbara, imagine kissing off Barbara. Imagine making Barbara lose money. Okay,
but also she goes Barbara Streisan is really good at
day trading, which we knew from.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Reading her like coffee t But she goes Barbara Streisan's
I was like, I like to spend the first seven
hours of.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
The day in bed day trading.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Same. And so she gives her good friend, Barbara streisand
a million dollars just to see what she'll do with it.
And Barbara makes eight hundred thousand dollars profit in six months.
Yeah yeah, wow, is right? Eighty percent returns in six months.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I would kill to one half a million dollars to
give it, save it to barbaron like go wild. And
then they're in Cabo and like Donna cared. There's like
three hundred pages of this book where she's always like
it was so good because Barbara Streisand's husband got along
with my husband.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
With the husband, and they're just like we were in
the private jet with like pam My. At one part,
she starts referring to pay my juice friend. Oh yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
She's like I wants pam My juice friend was coming
on the.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Tree and there's like my spa friend and there's just
like spa juice Tennis fire island plane, psychic.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Barbara. And then so they're both like, oh, like I
love being in Cabo, and Barbara's like, yeah, it feels
good not to pay for anything either, and Donna's like
excuse and she's like, yeah, you're paying for this with
the money I made you when you gave me a
million dollars and I made eight hundred thousand dollars for you.
(45:00):
And then everyone starts screaming and it actually sounds really tense.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, I do get this sense, because like she'll say
stuff like like Barbara and I like we're sisters, and
of course we fight, but we don't see each other
often enough to really fight. That was kind of a
crazy reveal.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I know two friends who never fight, but like, do
you think they're.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Talking about like sexuality and she's just being like, Donna,
I came six times last night. I think I got
my new Donna Karen collection, three hundred thread cow cheets soaked.
I had to give them to my Brazilian cleaner, who's
also my healer, so.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Wet in my body suit. That's when the rap skirt
comes into play. It's like, I just scared you with
my sexuality. I feel like honestly, Donna's talking about getting
railed by her new healer, and Barbara's kind of like
on her Robinhood app being like, oh, Donna, you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
No, Barbara is absolutely half checked up, the glasses are
on inside.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
She's transitioned.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, and then she was like people often asked why
Barbara didn't come to more of my shows, But it's
because she was too famous and she would get like
too much paparazzi and I would distract. You really don't
want like paparazzi your show. I feel like that was
a point of tension.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Between them, definitely.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
She's like, no, it's totally fine that Barbara doesn't come
to my show. Yeah, that's literally cool.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
No, I don't want the attention. I don't want that's
too much press. I've just the right amount of press.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
And then when Steve and her husband with this person's
really sad is dying of lung cancer, she's like, what
if we had Barbara come and sing as you die?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
And he's like, I actually don't want Barbara stress and
to me, the last thing I hear that's actually weird.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
He's like, my one dying wish is not to have
Barbara streisand singing as I do pass.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
But thanks for the offer. And she's like okay, like random,
but sure.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
And at this point she's gone what we're calling fall Buddha.
She's like, my collection was inspired by monks, and I
was traveling and we went to Bhutan. It was the
most beautiful country I've ever seen. And then we went
to Bali and it was the most beautiful country I've
ever seen, and I wanted to move there and buy
property there. And then she does buy property in Parrot
k She.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Buys Probaby and Para Kay and then her daughter Gabby
gets married there and she's like, ough, her husband looked
so hot at the wedding.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
He was so parent k. She starts to kind of
sublimate her attraction, like to her dying husband, to her
daughter's husbands, which I wonder if maybe all mothers do something. Yeah,
it makes sense. Yeah, I hope to one day, absolutely,
I hope to gaze upon my daughter's husband will in
(47:50):
Bali at your sexual eye to penetrate my.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
She does that, she's like, oh, he reminded me of
Stephen so much. And you're like, does this Italian guy
that owns a restaurant in Southampton called Tutto Orno reminds.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You sculptor boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I don't totally get it, but sure whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, I think it reminds her of like the vigor
of her early thirties early to me into the late thirties,
wherever you fall in that spectra.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, and she's like at this point, she's like lost herself,
and she literally starts talking to rocks on the beach
and the Hamptons, which is why I rock this rock.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So yeah, she talks to this rock and then the
rock is in there. One summer, and then she chooses
a bigger rock that won't move.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
She's been like Donna, Old Donna, little girl from Long
Island with the fat ass who failed draping at Parsons.
Remember you, I don't you want to talk to her?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Donna? What have you become? Your international company has sold
billions of dress worldwide. You've licensed your perfume, your eyewear,
your shoewaar, your software, your hosiery in seventeen different countries.
You just opened a standalone store in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
(49:14):
But where's Donna? What does she really need? Is she
still getting railed by her sculptor husband? Yes, yes she is.
But when he does, who will rail me? Will it
be my yoga instructor? Will it be my Brazilian healer
(49:35):
who has moved in with me, Yes, yes it will,
Thank you to my Brazilian healer Sam. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
By the end, I truly could not keep track of
all the properties.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
You're saying, it's all the properties, it's all the foundations.
She starts this thing called Urbans and with.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
This is like only after she's like sold her company
to Louis Vautoine.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, her vision for it is that she's just like,
I wanted it to be a safe space in the
city where people could shop, eat, me, meditate, cafe treatment.
It's cafes. There's street level retail and a condominium.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Oh yeah, there's a library, goes She's like, oh, I
know I've done so much, but I really want to
get into condos and you're like living in them, buying them,
selling them.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I'm lost, what's the story here?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (50:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
She also claims she's like, oh, me and my daughter
are best friends. Obviously not.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
She's like urban Zen shares a courtyard in sag Harbor
with my daughter's Italian restaurant.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
To tell, it's just it's ultimately a very accumulative I
think at the end of the day, and you know,
she's made her money and it's she's earned the right
to buy a lot of property, property adjasent to her
daughter's husband's properties, and only one can hope to do
any think that's beautiful. Yeah, okay, we do have to
wrap it up. We should go to segments right now.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Last thing thought, she wants to go to Burning Man
and I think she'll make it.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I think she'll get there, and we hope to join
her okay.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
Segments, the seven the segment Collection New.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
York, the seven easy Segments.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
The seven easy Segments.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Seven easy segments.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
So what does she wear?
Speaker 4 (51:23):
How does she live?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
What does she wear? Obviously lots of seven pieces, really
big chunky jewelry. She's gone into like rock driven jewelry. Yeah,
like there's always like bangles, and she was already too
gold and silver. Then I think she got into more.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Like gems and kind of stolen gems and yeahs, stolen wood.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Everything is stolen at this point.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
I mean, she loves the artist in hand and as
she says, she loves celebrating the intersection of culture and commerce.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
When she went to Indian with like doesn't look like India.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Like this is why she's like the most like Buddha
woman thing of all time.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
Nothing can reach her Buddha fantasy where.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's like she gets to Deli and she's just being
like it's giving city, like and then she like finds
some like rich guy who's like, let me take you
to like the like this famous city that like all
of like the tourists go to that's actually been so
ancient temple and then she's just like, Okay, that's what
I'm talking about, and like she goes to Balie and
she's like, again, it's giving city. And then someone is like,
(52:32):
let me take you to my like insanely exclusive resort
that's just like little Happens in the mountains. And she's like, okay, this.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Is this is the Eat Prey Love music. She's just
like fuck, yes, okay, So what is leather jackets. She's
like sess with leather jackets.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
It's a drapy, it's come through.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
It's a lot of jersey.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
She's talking to a rock right now in like the
chunkiest sweat.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Into this severe pony. I know she's kind of lady Fag.
I want to say. I don't know if you guys
got that reference.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Wait, she like literally is lady Fag.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I know, Like she's fabulous, she's a good bes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
What does she eat?
Speaker 4 (53:16):
She never mentions food.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
In this book, not one morsel of food.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Sorry. At the end she goes raw and loses twenty pounds, So.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Kudos for her. I mean obviously like she has an
eating dis owner from the mom, but like it goes
really uninvestigated by doctor Rash but.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Really not doing the work over there. On seventy six.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
But yeah, she's like forgetting to eat, and I don't
know really what does she act? She wolfing like a
leftover burrito Like later, I just like, what is she
actually eating?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Ever?
Speaker 4 (53:48):
I think it's like Smoothie's green juice.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
And then yeah, someone's putting a salad in front of her.
She's eating it and it's like salmon. And then she's
going she's going to Tutell Jr. Not getting the pasta,
but she's like, you just hold aposta, just do the sauce.
And it's kind of this hot.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
In that place that used to be like meatballs.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
To go that was wait the meatball shop.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Wait, yes, you know what I'm talking about, and you
could get a weird cup of like just sauce sauce.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
She she's trusting sauce and she gets to be so
long island about it be like sauce Sundays.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
But she is because of her love of potatoes, potato pia.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yes, it's all closed down fast, it's.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Like fast casual source that don't exist anymore. How does
she live? Okay? She At one point she talks about
how Barbara is very monochromatic, like Barbara's house, her messy
has like the all blue room, the all red room,
and she she has an all black she has an
all black Barbara. But that was her trying to copy Barbara.
And then at one point Barbara trips over a coffee
(54:55):
table because it's the same collar as the rug and
the floor. Barbara, he yells at her.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
This whole Barbara.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Barbara is like the popular girl, and she's like desperately
trying to like please Barbara and like give her millions
of dollars and like copy her home aesthetics.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Because by the way, it's like we have not read
the Barbera book, but like I will bet you a
hundred dollars, Barbara hardly mentions.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
In those nine hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'm sure you go to the index Catana.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Like drinking Urban send curbside juice every time she mentions.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Barbara in the index. How many Timessanna is mentioned, me
and my good friend streisand Barbara Clinton inauguration and DK
and and then there's like thirty entries DK's birthday party,
four first meeting with DK as singer, four different spirituality
and travel with I guarantee you no not mention, Okay,
(55:59):
who are you in the book Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Think are you Stephen, No, you're not like motorcycles, sway
motorcycle yeah, and like addicted to racing.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Sorry, but do you think I'm having an affair while
I'm like trying to get money from Olivia me?
Speaker 4 (56:25):
That maybe, but like I just.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Like France, that is true. I'm like you.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Stupid, You're lying, bitch, missed.
Speaker 4 (56:34):
Where the fuck is your head reading the market?
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh, you're like stupid lily. They don't want creams. But
then I come out with a cream and then you're like, see,
that's why I said to you, we need to come
out with a cream.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
It was my plan all along.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
I was tricking you to come out with a cream. Yeah,
I guess I'm Donnaca's a d D and I failed
dreamed and fashion illustration.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yes, and like boyfriend laser.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah no, I mean you love a big boyfriend laser.
But you're not like so rapid salad, although.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Sometimes you are like rap, I'm Chicken Caesar rap from
the airport seven eleven.
Speaker 9 (57:19):
Yeah, and you would do a cup of sauce absolutely,
like I have some like get the sauce on the go,
why not sip it like bone broth?
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Okay, I don't know. I reading book like, I don't know.
Maybe the writing. I'm giving it kind of a three
out of five. It's medium. There are some really funny scenes,
like that vacon Is scene, and like I love when
she gives her husband like property and parrot cay and
he goes, what am I looking at? And she goes
ten acres like she has a flair for those moments.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
You like not your best friend, but definitely like an
aunt you're afraid of, but also your best friend. Like
you're like, are you best friends today? Or should I
be scared of you? I'm not sure, And you're like
about to staying a sofa. That's how I felt this
entire pluss.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm two seconds away from saying the sofa and you're like,
should I brought my own napkins? You're just like, do
you have seltzer? In case I do stain? It's nerve
rancking for sure. So but I give her life story
like a five.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Life story five out of five.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
And Tuna women's fashion.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
And her inventing jeans because as we know, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
There literally were no geans before Karen.
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, So I'm giving it, yeah, three point five out
of five for me personally, for my journey not home,
just still going.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
But I give you guys the audience a five out
of fives. You guys are so fun. You get us
up in the morning. This is one of the funnest
mix periences.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
Keep us.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I've been doing this podcast. You're the reason we read
a book oh week, every week. Every week.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
You're keeping our mind fresh sharp.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Okay, you're staving off aging and dementia, which is coming
on rapidly.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Okay, wait, we're gonna do a bouquet toss lily.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
This is a thick book. This could hurt someone. We
can't please. I'm nervous. This is I don't know if
there's like a liability issue.
Speaker 4 (59:24):
Okay, no, we don't want to get sued.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Like if this is a paperback, I would say we
could never mind. Look, you guys, here I am being
the Stephen telling you what you can't.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, controlling me saying I can't throw heavy things because
I'm so Stephen.
Speaker 4 (59:37):
I want to race, you want to catch it. I'm
just gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well that's kind of now you're leading the witness or
you're stacking the deck like it's just going to go
to front.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
Okay, race for it. Okay, we have to go and
we have to go.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
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