Rachel "Metallic Flats" Zoe

Babe, can you grab my hobo bag and a Venti Valium Latte from Starbs??? I’m headed to the Golden Globes to style Debra Messing, and there’s crazy traffic on the 405. This week we are studying iconic stylist to the stars Rachel Zoe’s book "Style A to Zoe: The Art of Fashion, Beauty, & Everything Glamour." We cover layering camisoles, altering Nicole Richie's size 10 dress in Vegas, her revolutionary TV show, Anne Hathaway's views on denim, not eating, and how she invented pairing a vintage Chanel belt with an H&M dress. I die, this episode is so glam!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. Celebrity Book Club,
Read it while it's hot.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poop Club. Tell your secrets.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
We won't talk celebrity books.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
No boys are a loud celebrity book say it loud
and cloud Celebrity book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe. Hi boss friend,
what's upstairs?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
What's up your fucking bitch?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Like? And not much but everything. I'm like, so busy.
I'm so busy. Looks so fucking glamorous today.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Thank you. I'm just trying to keep it low key
but high key for the office and be appropriate but sexy.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I love how you're pairing a vintage prep Pulo Ralph
Lauren double RL country belt with a little kind of
totally like cool chain with Island cheapies and like a
glam acoust top.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's ti.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, it's high Hello, but what's up with you? I'm exhausted,
I'm so busy. I was out of so many events
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I actually felt so spoiler alert Rachel, so coming to
our place of work today because I drove your butted
has on to fit here from the traffic was absolutely
in soon and it was just like the Midtown Tunnel
is most insane contraption ever engineered.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Wait, sorry, bebe before it gets like warm. Yeah, good
conversation always goes best over chilled bubbling.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh, that's an amazing because it's the tiniest bottle of
MOI amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, So I just like actually had them left over
from an event.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh, were you doing an event at home? Are you
doing an event at your workspace? Which is actually the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was doing an event workspace, And it's always good
to have if you're having ten people over order for fifteen.
So of course, yeah, I had ton of these really
cute and Mowa mini bottles to give out his gifts.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Mini bottles are so fun because you're so generous because
everybody gets their own individual.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Believe you're not fighting.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, there's nothing worse than girls fighting over a bottle
of champagne.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And it's just a little accents that make you feel
welcome at an event.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
So just what did that rent you? What is a
mini bottle of moeut run?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
To be perfectly honest, I did buy this in mentim
for recording when you said you were late. This is
twenty for one bottle twenty for a while, and then
I was like, what's the big bottle and he was
like seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I was like like, that's fucking random.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's fucking random. But I was also like, these mini
balls are so shit.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
So here's the thing, because it's like, by the end
of a bottle of champagne, it's not fizzy anymore. And
it's like, yeah, what's the point, literally, what's the point?
So just get mini's?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Can I ask our engineer, would you like a little splash?
I felt so, But he.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Is getting naughty, all right, ladies, wow, And this is
the perfect amount for three people, one bottle, three girls,
and then we'll open another one in like okay, okay,
cheer cheers to Midtown to Midtown.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, the bubbles are that's not bad, not bad at all.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean Moe does a great classic classic standard. It
gets the job done. It's light, it's got those citrus
notes on the back, it's a little bit of rosemary so.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Much champagne, this headache, and a bottle I find.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Right, Okay, babe, let's just get fucking into it. Like
I don't how much time I have, so many evens tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
This is hell week for me and I need all
hands on deck. Who are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Obviously obviously we've already said her name we were talking about, yes,
I just found it today or co worker at my heart.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
She has a podcast which I'm sure you haven't heard.
She is the inventor of a decade to call the
two thousands.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
She literally invented metallic flats, hobo bags, oversized sunglasses, the.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Store kits, and Misha Barton paraceltics.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Jennifer Garner, Sol mahay X, Lindsey fucking low Hands.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Probably one of the most prominent, not the most, like
prominent stylist. I would say, like, of all time.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You think stylists, you think it's so funny if you
went to Miriam dash, Webster, Dot fucking Calm and after
you were looking up the word dishy where you found
the definition is us and you headed over to stylist.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Right, I'm sure there would be a sentence also pulled
in The New York Times about how Rachel Zoe is
a stylist is the Stars, Yeah, of course we're talking
about none other than.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Rachel Zoe and Harbuck Style.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
The Art of Fashion, Beauty and Everything Glamour by Rachel
Zoe with Rose Appadocca.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Huge blurb on the front from none other than Nina
Garcia of l and Project Frontway.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh mine doesn't have a blurbarde Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And it says a great god for personal style, Thank
you Nina.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh mine has stuff on the back. Oh has that
thing from Nina. And it also has a quote from
Live Tyler. I think it's important to allow yourself this
lift tire us. It's more baby. I think it's important, but.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's it's it is a little baby like. It's it's
Paige rox Manning is coming to Umpire Records tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, that's good. It's pillowy, you know what I mean.
It's like and Rachel's so good at that. She helps
bring out your inner style by guiding you through looks
that drop from the classics but are also so modern
in every way. She's taught me so much about the
power of accessories too. I always have so much homeworker there.
And if there's one thing that she knows, it's the
power of accessories.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
First off, in this book, it blew my mind. You know,
some people say start dressing from the shoes. Some people
say start dressing from you know, the dress, or you know.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I usually start with pants, but sometimes I'm turning with
like a pants shoe combo. And then of course everything
changes six times and.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right, and then it's tops everywhere, And honestly, I usually
start from the top.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Wow, that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, but Rachel Zoe says start from accessories.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Because she's an insane accessories sound all right, should we
do an accessories check because people kind of dressed.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Up for us, like kind of the whole outfit and accessories.
But okay, and you know, if we're talking about the way,
she also says like men should success arise. It's always
like simple and strong and rugged and like shouldn't be
too glam.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
But it's also like she's so aware where like a
silver because she's.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like, I love when my six rings and they're so
cheesy and she's like, I love my husband. No husband,
Roger wears like a cardier like ring that has like
skull bones and like guns on it, and you're like, okay,
this is so la and like cheesy. Okay. I am
wearing my standard silver Figato chains silver necklace. I am
wearing also a Figaro silver bracelet. I am wearing my

(07:12):
classic grandfather's watch that is Diego Latour that is the
original sixties memo Vox with kind of a black and
gold band. I love classic piece of classic pieces with
rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think about vintage, look for stains and look for
good materials.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And then I threw in this ring that actually my
girlfriend's mother gave me.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That seems like a massive black. This is a.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Massive black that's what was in their family. And I've
always been afraid of rings, but I was like access rights.
It's a massive black golden onyx ring with like a
kind of looking Julius Caesar figures etched in. If you
can take it off here too, it's a big leg
right on hunking this kind of car.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's in gray into the stone. Is this kind of
Roman profile figure. Huh. It's a little beat up, but
that's what's so beautiful, so vintage. It tells us story.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
When I go to Decade's my favorite vintage store. In Melrose.
This whole book is about the store decades, and then
I'm doing this super breezy because it's kind of humid.
This beautiful Italian nitpolo I'm wearing, and then just basic
block jeans and then vintage paraboots.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's interesting you wore jeans. And we'll get to the
forty pages on Dunhim and her incredibly schizophrenic opinions about
the concept of Dunhim and the world of Dunham. I
went completely insane today.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
All you look insane, but also like but it's.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Like almost kind of works in this way where because
I wanted to be insane, but like just insane enough
that like maybe you're like, okay, actually maybe you can
just rock that outfit.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I'm wearing my John Fluvog Lug Souls, which I
keep thinking of my labooks because they just are kind
of labuoki. They're just like a heavy brick pattern, wide
like ag house jeans, braided brown leather belt. Yeah. I'm
mixing brown and black shoes and belt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, the rules throw them out.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Cropped ex house tea silver chain that I got in Barcelona,
dead stock, Carl Lagerfeld massive watch with a blue ceramic face.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
That took me back to you because I would say,
like you were trying to be so rigels though in
high school, because you were like, boh, yeah, you in
this big, like flashy Carl liverpoold watch is taking me back,
and I think it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's a gift from friend of the pod Arabella, because
she used to design for Carl's like airport line. And
obviously when it's hit dead sec, I mean, like the
watch is dead and it's not telling time, and it's.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
This like really two thousand and nine hue of like metal.
It's kind of gun metal.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's kind of dark gun metal. And then it has
this like cobalt face. And then I'm wearing my like
see through glasses like Bedford Bedford half a new glasses
that I'm also wearing Vermont knit hat, then a long
scar and then my Diesel hoodie. It's just about showing
as many layers and objects as possible. Oh and I'm

(10:16):
wearing pukashells and two gold necklaces.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
And then she says, right with puka shells, I love
island chepies. Yeah, she was like, Okay, here's the thing
about traveling and I love going to St. Barts and
she's always been like a don Over pipe but underpack
and like brigle. But all I'm wearing is a Cardia bracelet,
a Rolex my engagement and wedding rings. Of course I die.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
So it's so crazy that they got divorced, like last month.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I know this episode's be so hot.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
How did she know that we were about to read
her book from like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's really so insane because it's like she's just not
been in the news at all, and then it's just
Rachel and Roger divorce have for thirty three years.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
And now it's so seasoned she's getting divorced. We're reading
her book like it's.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
We're realizing she's our coworker. Like you know, it's like
I watched you know, we all remember the Zo Project,
which is now streaming. You can watch it on Peacock.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh, I was watching an Amazon like pain per episode.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Saba, if you're money for vintage.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I mean, reality TV in the early two thousands was
so fucking good and it will never be that good,
you know.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
And I was discussing this my lever why is so good?
And it was like we could just watch Zoe and
there was drama, but it's not just real. It's real.
Well I wouldn't say some all the dramas so.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Produced, but it's I'm saying the people who are on
the show did not grow up watching reality television, so
they haven't like become these weird archetypal characters in their
head where it's like when you watch The Bachelor. Now,
all these girls grew up watching The Bachelor, like they
don't have.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Real they grew up literally at this point, watching their
grandmother's like be on the Bachelor, and it's like they're
not all fighting in the same way, you know, of
like I mean we talked about this all the time
of like obviously it's always you know, first season Top Model,
but it's just raw and like it is a little
more meditative to just like watch Zoe be like babe,

(12:09):
I want a new couch. Yeah, not just constant We're
going to a big empty restaurant.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, and the way and the way that's it's not
just a constant like interior shots and like just drone
shots of kitchens and.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Like couches and huge eyelands. I'm like, hey, I wanted
to talk to you about something. But it did start.
I want to talk to you about something.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
It did invent I want to talk to you about something.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Sure, curR and Roger kind of have this like beautiful,
kind of like chill tense but like sexy relationship.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Her gay husband seems really supportive, and he's this just
like kind of sea crusty but like with long hair,
very almost Ryan Cabrera.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's a very Cabrera. And he's being so like waffle
knit ed, hardy rocker tea over flare jeans chains.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
The episode I was watching, like episode two, and like
she's talking about patting these dresses so Deborah Messing can
try them on for the side.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
This whole book is about Deborah Messing.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Deborah Messin's her masterpiece. Yeah, but she's like, we need
the hero address and they're in her kitchen and he's
just like, what do you mean it's a hero? Why
is it a hero? And then she goes, don't do that,
don't mock what I don't and he's.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Like, babe, you know, I support you. But then we'll
cut to them like at like Shotateau and like she's
so also like it was the air of inventing Starbucks,
massive venting, always her like tiny tiny hands wrapped around
Halloween style of venting. And she's like, I'm just scared
of like debuting my like line of like cheap sunglasses

(13:41):
with my name on it. And he's like, here's the thing, babe,
Like you're amazing.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Sortive.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
So it is like he is roasting her, being like
what do you mean, hero, What do I.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Think went wrong? After thirty three years and three beautiful children?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
This is my theory And I wrote this not at
the top of my notes that I was like, there's
a certain type of popular girl in college that like
with her like cool boyfriend that everyone does love who
was a little bit gay.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Wow, the tea that was just absolutely spilt in this office.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
And she is that girl. And everyone is like, oh,
we actually love Roger more than Rachel, you know, y, Like.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
She actually she really found a good one because she can.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Be Fulca's usually I hate him, I hate him, and
then there's one who's like, no, I love him, and
I think she's honestly, she did so well in her career. Yeah,
because I'll say this, she wasn't like focused on looking
for dick.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Wow, that's really true.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
And I think she could focus on hero dresses. Yeah,
because just like he was there and like being her rock.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, because let's just say it. She's not just successful
in the way we think of success today where it
just seems like, oh, she has money, she has she
has not already she invented a whole era of celebrities.
She was really good at what she did, and she
understood that, like these girls she was creating their red

(15:03):
carpet looks like had to be subtle and on point,
and there was this whole like economy that was not
very populous, Like there was no social media, so it
was all like the fashion place.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It was fashion Police, right or online yeah, this weekly.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
And like it was more hierarchical and more top down,
so like there was less room for air. And she
took people who were basic and had no like Deborah
Messy and Jennifer Garner are two of my favorite people
in the world. But they're not like so basic, they're
insanely basic. They're not like people. She took them and
she was like, I'm going to subtly make them incredibly
consistently glamorous and like give them literally a twenty year career.

(15:42):
Because of the way they look at a series of
events over the course of five years in the early
two thousands, like she did that. She did that.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Because imagine, look what Deborah is doing now.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
She's just like in the idef she said, yeah, she's
literally and she looks me and those fatigues.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
No baggy fatigues. Little change, but.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Like Garner has still even though like Garner kind of
hasn't been in anything good since Alias and is only
in weird Christian movies that like no one sees.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right that been like The Dog Flew Over the Moon, she.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Still thought of as like an A list like star
who's just like totally, like absolutely has prestige.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
And she talks about styling Jennifer for the Alias premieres,
and it's like something because it's like she's literally in
so many costumes Alias. But then when she is so
jeans and basic and Christian like out of it, and
it's like Zo made her glam and when she wasn't
also doing the Dubras, she was making like Lindsay lohand

(16:46):
be even more Lindsay Lohan than Lindsay Lohan was, and
was like, we're making her look like Norma Jean, We're
doing old school Maryland, Marylyn, and.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
She did fucking know Cole Richie. She did all the
thing girls who were just like bow hold out.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
The who yeah, boho bags, metallic jewelry, she created ten
dollars dress Jimmy two heels. No one else was saying
H and M dress Chanel.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Belts before that drink every time in this book that
H and M is mentioned.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
This book is about H and M.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's like a high low kind of thing. Because H
and M was so ubiquitous in two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh my god when it dropped and we would go,
I mean remember we read aw how we were in
downtown Box every much every weekend.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I was never not there. And I remember because I
discovered H and M in Sweden.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Actually probably came back when you came OUs bisexual and
we're like, Lily, I'm bisexual and you need to meet
me at the store inchin them.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
And then they opened an H and M in Boston
like later that year. After I gone on my youth
like youth exchange trip to Stockholm christ Missionary trip when
I was fourteen, I was.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like, okay, so I love also have this book. Like
it starts in this very chan stick in some way,
just like I was a girl who collected magazines.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, she loved fashion. She was on the floor, so
I came right out of my mother's room and into
her closet. I swear her closet is my earliest memory
as a young girl. I thought she epitomized glammer. Everything
about her was and still is beautiful. Her hair, her jewelry,
her shoes. My sister and I would rifle through her
things all the time. So my fondest memory to the
three of us, sprawled out on our bed, we'd spread
out her boxes the kind you find it the hardware

(18:25):
sort of organized nails, but are perfect for the endless
inventory of jewelry she collected. She's got this big, like
orange plastic box. I'm guessing parents sound really chic.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like she has photos of her mom and like they're
pretty fab.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And she like saves up to go to the West
Village and buy a two hundred dollars vintage coat in
like nineteen seventy one or whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
The school trip, and everyone else is buying like postcards,
and she literally like heads the West.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Fell and she starts like learning about Halston at age
thirteen and is like wearing headbands and being like, I'm
a glamor girl. I celebrate American designer.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No. I was like, you're literally so me going to
the Gianni Versace store in downtown Boston at age eleven, being.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Just like, that's so crazy, literally such a fashion hound.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
One of her biggest tips it's for stylists but also
all people in this book, which I think is so true,
especially in our online world. I mean, this is so
pre online is like, get to know your boutiques and like,
get to know the big stores like shop is research,
Like it's literally fine, like go shopping. You don't have
to buy anything, go and try a bunch of stuff on. Yeah,

(19:33):
get to know your salespeople. They'll let you know when
sales are coming. And she was like, now, even in
Santa Fe, there's amazing local boutiques.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah. I do feel that way, and in times in
my life when I've been more regular customers at certain boutiques,
I do feel a certain sense of knowledge that I'm
getting that I wouldn't get elsewhere. Yeah, I'm also feeling
a certain sense of spending money.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, yeah, it's a sense of being rich. And of
course I think it's like if you have the money
to spend. That gives you the power to go in
and not spend. Sorry, I just shook.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Myself for race see and the bombs you're dropping today.
The power to spend is the power and not spend.
That is so true because when you don't have a
ton of money.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
To go in and be like, oh, thank you so much, No, sir,
I don't even try it all.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's the rat race and you feel like you can't
go in because you can't buy, and then if you
do go in, you're like, well, I have to buy.
And the real power is knowing that you aren't gonna
buy because you can.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, I'm just being like I just want to see
how it fit and I'll think about it.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah. And then you're not like insecure about them, worrying
that you're poor, and just like being a teen who's
in here for shits and kicks.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Oh you think this is funny?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, Oh, you're gonna make me run around because like
you know that they know that you could come back
at any time and up Chase Sapphire preferred like it's
nobody's business.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Not the prefer that lets you into the lounge, but
preferred nonetheless so right, she loves Holston's her first love,
which is like so fab then Valentino. So I also
had no idea. Before she became Rituals of Stylist the Stars,
she was the fashion editor and one of my favorite magazines,
Why am.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh and Wyam is one of those like smaller sized magazines.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It used to be big and then it went small
and then it just went over. Yeah, my sister and
I would buy like seventeen wym. It was like the
classic like teen magazine that had the embarrassing stories about
like getting your period on a guy and then quizzes
and like an article and then like fashion spreads that
were so like Cosmo for teens because yeah, and it

(21:48):
was like sex advice and like how to put in
a tampon, Like everything was just like I have seven
tampons in me at once.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I loved teen Vogue, which I subscribed to for a
while as an actual teen, and that was small. That
was small, and like tvag was cool because it was
very like the magazine Jennifer Garner comes up with at
the end of thirteen going up three, like it was
always it was more positive and like collages of like
interiors like there was just like a lot of like

(22:16):
overall design inspiration in that magazine, and I didn't feel
like it was too prescriptive. It didn't feel too like
girl like, oh, I'm not allowed to read this because
I'm a boy. And it wasn't so period stories.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Also as like maybe she left y m teen. Vogue
came about when we were like fifteen, sixteen and more
was like you are teen, you have power to like
shop them thrill.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And they were doing like actual editorials, like actual fashion spreads,
because I don't think Wyam was really doing that, I.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Know when I was like fashion es. Yeah, it was
very like this girls wearing maybe like a roxy tank
candy sneakers, like a denim shrug. We should look up
what her spread shrug. She's always just like how glamorous
does Deborah Messing?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Look at this her shrug and you know what she does.
So then she starts working at Halston. She gets like
a job like archiving in Halston, which is such a
dream for her literal dream, and she kind of works
your way U very quickly. It's one of those things
where like when you're getting into an industry in the
seventies and eighties, nineties, like I'll say it, if you
are like interested in something, you can kind of just

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hop in. Like there isn't so much competition because it's
pre Internet and you're not like competing against a thousand interns,
and like if you actually care and you're hungry, like
you'll be wanted and you'll be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think if you pound on the door in this
very like kind of eighties way and like write your
big letter on scented paper and legally blonde, Yeah, how
did you get your CNN internship?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You know? It's funny. Actually I had a teacher at
NYU who had worked at CNN, and he like taught
this class on the news media, and like he encouraged
me to apply for the internship. I think like wrote
a letter or whatever, and like I got it. I'm
not sure how competitive it was, but that's.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
What I'm thinking about the competition where it was like
when I applied to my Springer internship.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I do think it because I did go to NYU,
and like, I think part of what you're paying for
and by you, I mean my parents is like the
internship office, because it's like then I got the CBS
News internship, I got the w it's made for Internet.
So they just kind of were like, here are the
internships you could apply for, and then you apply for
it and you got it. But obviously it's like enormously talented,

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and you're enormously talented and was built for news. I
also lied on.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
My internship application period two Springer and said I had
interned for a close friend's father.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, I led in my internship to n YU.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So you guys, I lie.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I said that I was treasurer of the art club,
but like I was treasurer of my own art club,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I was shopping, Yeah, Celebrity book Club.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, so she's archiving for Halston.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Like wait, I always love the popping cork on a
bottle of champagne. In that very instant, the loud seems
to signal a crazy burst of excitement, conjuring all kinds
of thrills, Stepping out your front door with the biggest
smile and highest heels, hanging out with your favorite people
and laughing until it hurts, jetting away from home to

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an even more thrilling place, living it up because you're
truly alive. There's an intrinsic change to those three very
simple words, living it up. It's about being happy, positive, alive.
There's something so h can the brevity of the phrase,
as if it were a synonym for style itself. On
those nights when we live it up, we feel our
most glamorous, are most confident.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Right, I mean eryod literally period.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
This book to me is a little bit like if
Lauren Conrad like was educated. Yes, because Lauren Conrade's book
is almost written by like an alien. This book is
lives inside a Walmart and like Rachel so like is smart,
but like she is, like it's this basic manifesto and
she's just like this is what girls want. Ladies like
we watch sex in the city, we want heels.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
We're glamorous. Like. It's also very this response to like
this nineties like, oh so we're all in casual trainers
now No, Like I would say one of the biggest
thesis I took away from this is just be glamorous
and like always, no matter the occasion. And she goes
through many occasions, but it's like show respect to the

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event and person you are seeing by dressing fabulous.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I totally agree with that. There's also a theory that
I'm just perklating right now. I think we've heard somewhere
else too, though, But like, if you think about the
nineties as being a time of like really intense casualness
and the evolution of style. Yeah, so you have like
there's that pood. Do you want to go jet off
somewhere with your best friends and left till it hurts?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yea? And I want a pack, I don't know, something
for single girlfriends, tons of cool frocks, short heels.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
So I think the nineties were this time of like
basically we reached the peak of casualness in the course
of fashion history. So on the one hand, it's like
people were just being comfortable going out in yoga pants
and like exercise where which hadn't really happened, I mean
sort of happened like in the eighties. Yeah, and then
like you had like grunge and then like American sports
wearing Tommy Hill figure and like the urban revolution and

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logos and so like casualness was becoming like more of
like a thing that like people could do as like
an intentional look, as an outfit. But as the new
millennium rolls around, there becomes this reaction and I think
if you look in fashion history, and have heard this
before that every turn of the century fashion gets a

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little more conservative again and empire wastes come back.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's like almost like this reset, people like, oh, we're
going back in time, like we need to like be
like Edwardian again. And so I I think there's a
little bit of that and her being this creature of
the two thousands, there's a slight reaction against the casualness
of the nineties.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Also not even casual, but I would say the high
prep of it all right, because if we're looking at
like just like the casual office and like the gapness
of everything of being like I'm in like khakis. M
Obviously there was a lot of people who weren't being
khakis in the nineties, but it's like khakis were around
and big, and then it's like two thousands is like

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we're actually rockers, but rockers not in a grungeway rock gun.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's getting more form fitting. Well, this actually is interesting
because it gets back into the history of pants, which
I looked into for that article I wrote a year
ago for Mister Porter. But like how the mail leg
and showing the male leg became more common as we
moved away from the Renaissance era, and like it became

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about like men showing their masculinity and different through the
leg and differentiating themselves from the boys. And there's scrawny
little chicken legs and big.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Shorts and it's like, right now, we're in this insane
pants revolution that's rejecting Rachel's Doe's era.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And yet it's ironically embracing rachel' z Tho's era. I
know point now where every size of pant can be rocked.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, I don't think super skinny, even though so many
people are doing it. Still.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I think like men who are would be qualified as
fashionable in today's modern times are not doing super skinny,
but they are doing somewhat skinny. There's a skinny slim.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
She loves stove pipe harres.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
To jetting off with your goal to jetting off.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
When she says something so funny in this book where
she's like we all have like our problem areas and
like places in our body we hate, she goes even
supermodel and then she goes, don't roll your eyes, which
I was obsessed with. Yeah, she was like, don't roll
your eyes. That like super you know, Nicole Richie may
hate her arms.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, she also calls herself curvy though.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
No, it's the which is the most shocking.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But then I was thinking how the word curvy has evolved,
because now curvy means like the plus size market. Yeah,
and that's been something that like I've been at the
forefront of, like someone who is like branded plus size
women's clothing companies where it's like we say the curve
market now, but it's like curvy. Why does curvy mean big?
Because I could draw a line on this piece of paper. Okay,

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that's a curve. That's not big, that's thin.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Because it's meaning right hips, but you can have a
pretty snatched waist in a huge ass.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Like am I people, I am actually curvy, literally thin
and curvy, because you do have hips. I have hips.
I'm like literally thinn and curvy, So what about me?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
No, And honestly, I would say, like I'm sturdy, not curvy.
I think, like I don't think. I mean, yeah, when
I had like big old titties, like maybe that was curvy.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I wouldn't say you have an hour glass figure? No,
and I don't.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm like, I wouldn't say I have like such a don't.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Drop like you qualify as the curve market.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Right like I probably would when I'm shopping for basics.
This is such an amazing quote. If you show up
looking a bit more glad than the rest, what's the
worst case scenario? You look the best in the room.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, I kind of take issue with this, though.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I want to talk about this because I feel like
it's something that I.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Think there's something so embarrassing when you arrive, when you're
super dressed up at everyone's so casual in a fucking
heather hoodie.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Well she says, you have an ow you can say,
I'm going somewhere else after this. And that happened to
me once when I was going to an engagement party
and I went to just like an airbrush event at
Singers before and everyone was like, oh my god, you
look amazing, Like why are you in a blazer?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
But you were going I literally was.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And I got to just go to everyone I've been
after this. This is a reading. Consider the time, and
at Sunday at four pm, chances are it's not a
black taieth ad. If it's a Saturday night weddings after
six pm, it most certainly calls for a formal looks
a weekend brunch or an afternoon tea, celebrating a birthday
or baby shower, calls for a little dress, stay away
from satin or other shiny fabrics per day, and resist black.

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I love black, but during the day, go with some color.
If prefer darker shades, then try navy or brown or
deep jewel tone, but generally I prefer white, creams or even.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Pastels jewel tone.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
And then she's like, jeans are fine, but skip the
scruffy T shirt for a halter or a puncho. If
it's a pool party, do not forget to cover up,
be it a calftan or oversized scarf. No one really
wants to see her bare booty, regardless how fabulous it is.
While they're digging into their dinner. She kind of is
always like, don't show cleavage, but like, don't show too
much leg.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
And this comes back to this sort of turn of
the century like conservatism reaction area that I'm talking about.
But I do think that maybe like that is changing now.
We're almost like wearing a button down with jeans versus
wearing a ratty T shirt with jeans. The ratty T
shirt actually looks cooler. Yeah, because the button down with jeans,
like there's something that's trying so hard. Where's a button

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down with dress pants? Is like, oh, you're so confident
to wear this, to wear this.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, because something about the button down with jeans is
a little bit like o gray, like here's a meeting.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
What's interesting is they almost do think that fashion has
become more costume me in the past fifteen years, and
like everyone is basically kind of in a costume now.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
But couldn't you see that in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well no, because the seventies literally was the seventies. But
you know, but now people are dressing like they're in
a seventies I was. You go to Dimes Square of Silver, like,
and everyone looks like they're in Fleetwood Mac and they're
wearing like the tightest little T shirt and my pants.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Ya.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
No. I saw a girl the other day in an
event and she was dressed like full almost famous, and
that I found actually like sad and embarrassing. Where I
was like, you could have nodded to the seventies. You
could have done like flares and a top, but like
the full patches of flowers on the hat.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right, You're like, what about this metallic.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Flats, metallic plots, hobo bag with fringe, like be a
little bit rocker. I think it's like to the over
dressing point is like, it's more just like dressed to
have fun, and I think people will see that if
you're having fun, they'll have fun.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Broach the subject. You have no idea how many times
in my line of work a broach has saved the day.
Nicole Richie and I were in Las Vegas for an event,
just time that events are referred to as an event.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Which is by the way, listening to her podcast today,
she literally said she grew tired of events, which is
so crazy because this whole book is about her going
to events.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I can't imagine ever going to kind of events, and
if I do, take me out back, shoot me. Nicole
rich and I were in Las Vegas for an event,
already on her way to the party when she realized
the dress she was wearing was too constricting to dance in.
This dawned on her as we were walking through the
forum shops at Caesar's.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That lied screamed, just a forum shops.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's dawned on her when we were in the forum
shops at.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Caesar's walking through being like, you know, oh my.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
God, this dress, it's too constricted. She's like carrying the
wedding dress. Get it off, Get it off.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
So maybe she was walking through the shops being like
I can hardly even walk through the Forum shops because
I mean, think about walking through Caesar's.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, so they go to the shops of the Caesars.
We walked right into Gucci and found a dress we liked,
a coral colored, pleading, cocky dress. There was only one,
and it was a size ten. Luckily there was a
decorative brooch on the front of the dress. I took
the brooch off the front, cinched half the dress back,
and pinned it. Just like that. The size ten fit

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her small frame perfectly. That's genius.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's so genius, and I love how Also, like, this
book is way more about like how to fit thin
girls into bigger clothes, Yeah, not like how to be
a bigger girl like rock clothes.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, I mean, you're not going to put a size
ten girl in his size two zero with a magical brooch.
That working the other way around.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
My sister wrode with a magical brooch.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Let's get into the travel section. This section is It's Crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
By the way, just before we start off, Harvey Weinstein
is heavily featured in this book, and she talks about
how like she was on a three day business trip,
like styling.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Everywhere.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
She's like styling Deborah Messing or Nicole Ritchie or something
like that. And then she's like, and then a powerful
player asked me to go to con and then it's
like so many photos of her and Harvey, So I
think it's gonna go ahead and be Harvey.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I feel like he wasn't really.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think he knew like he needed her to style
his girls, but she didn't need him. No, so it
didn't didn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, he couldn't give her anything. I mean they wanted
to work with Rachel. Everyone wanted to work with Rachel.
Packing my clients for a trip, but Truman and fit
much of what we need to glam them up for
a prece event way in advance. But even then a
backup look or twenty might be thrown into the last minute,
particularly extra heels and bags. The entire level is carefully
wrapped in stuff with tissue paper and ship by FedEx
to a destination. Well almost the entire lot when there's

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a little room for backup. My sisters or I might
hand carry a gown on board. Take note if you
can't risk it because it's an valuary, I really love it.
Don't leave it to chance or bag of handlers who
could potentially send it on a fourteen hour flight to Pretoria.
Take it with you as a carry on. Of course,
if it's a six seater plane going to a photo
shoot and a Caribbean island, the pilot himself might deny
my bringing a gown, no matter how hibulous it is

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into the tiny cabin. In those cases, you have to
hope for the best and pray that it arriots on
the cargo flight.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, I'm obsessed with the part where it's just like
in the bag, like different types of like way to
pack for like different types of trips, single girlfriends, sexy dresses,
high heels, and lots of Juliet for a riot of
a time, family, more comfortable outfits and not as many
options because you can repeat looks with your family, which
I'm obsessed with the only time you're repeating significant others
their favorite things in yours, including those little nothings that

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can make your trip sucksier, business associates, business tire that
doesn't easily wrinkle, including a dress, the option in case
dinner follows the big meetings.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I do feel like this whole section is a little
bit the opposite of this Reddit communityum part of called
her one bag.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's really opposite her one bag because she says only
do carry on for a three day trip.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Where it's like she's checking the most massive suitcases for
a five day trip.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
She's very my HouseGuest, Mickey Blonco coming with three full sized,
massive suitcases.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Just go start with shoes at the bottom. I put
mine in sacks, either those that come with the shoes
or draws the don't get scratched. Then next layer is
jeans folded in half, then layer everything else. So I
do put jeans at the bottom, but I don't put
shoes at bottom. I put shoes on the side, so
I separate shoes. I put like one shoe on a
sign and one shoe on another side, not together. No,

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but I do carry in for a month, and I
still have plenty of room and plenty of clothes.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Plenty of room.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, with my gorgeous expandable samsonit.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
You changed my life with that Samsonite because I bought it.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
We'll put it like a page.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
My favorite thing that she says to pack, which was insane.
Again to reference my HouseGuest Mickey Blanco guest on the pod,
so she says, I always carry a hard paper calendar.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's so weird.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Blanco comes to my house, No unpacks like a Tiffany's like, no,
full ass walk not only a calendar and has the
same exact Amazon witch calendar that maya house like full
ass like kitchen drawings of witchy.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Girls, not just like photos of like sexy witches noes.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
We're drawings of sexy witches van art kind of ye
and art. And it was like and he was like,
I carry too. He was actually so Rachel's though.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
He was like I carried to kind of filled it
out with like sharpie.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and it was like folded in the bag.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Because it just needs a large visual.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, that's so weird. I mean I love having writing
down things on my big calendar my kitchen. I don't
know if I'm traveling.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
With it, yeah, I mean personally I use Google, cow
icw whatever like that does function for me pretty But like.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
If you have your hobo bag. She also says like
write down what you need.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Okay, makings of a bonvoyage, purpose business, weather report, hot
or cold pack, separate, think me, mixed and matches, a
complete professional outfits, A white bluff thing go with a
skirt suit and jeans, a pretty canasol. The fucking strangle
hold that camasols had on women in the early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Camsol over, camesol over cameras.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I feel like your sister had, Like she probably had
camocels and they had that little the lace.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
No, the little lace at the top that was maybe
half an inch. Yeah, And honestly I had a few
of those too before I became the badass pimp I am.
I had these, like the lace Candy, the lace Lion
I had. It was yeah, but it was still a
little more like a wife pleaser. It was like from
Urban and it was like a black tank with a tiny, tiny,

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tiny bit of lace.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I think, huh, that actually does kind of sound sexy.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I thought it was kind of like Rocker in London
and Trondreness act.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I mean, bring that back.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sorry, this is for when it's holiday cold. Don't forget
a hat. Newsboy, Beanie cap, floppy will beret, anything that folds, gloves, sunglasses.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Pack hosiery, but never skinning colored. Don't forget a belter
who distension, bulky sweaters, addresses at the hips or waist,
and a wrap that can double as a scarf or shawl.
I'm actually getting so confused. Everything has this like multi
dimensional like three piece shawl sweater, wrappable hats.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Wait, we haven't even gotten to like the show. And
just like Curtain Brad and there fallout and just like
her fallout, all too a tailor.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I mean everyone in that show is like a monster.
Taylor is so funny.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
You're so evil and like she's really trying to like
raz Brad.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
She's the most like classic East Village evil bartender, like so.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
True where she's just being like fucking like Rebecca took
all my shifts. Yeah, like and she has this insane
choppy like Taylor moms and cut.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
And she's so mean to Brad. She's so abusive to
this poor gate intern, just being like he's like all
the dresses got soaked because Rachel's garage flooded in the range.
She's just like you need to deal with this. I
have to go to the reress please get it together,
that dresses.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then he's trying to fix it by like calling
all the stories to get new dresses again for Debora Messing.
So he's like doing the thing where he was like, well,
let me try to fix the problem before even Rachel
Zoe finds out about the problem.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And then she also told him not to tell Rachel Zoe,
which was and then he's mad at him for not
telling him. He doesn't even throw into the bus because
he's like actually good person. And now I'm like justice
for Brad Gorski, even though he is just now.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
He's become such like an insane like evil cheesy.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
An evil cheesy fashion who's so also doing the thing
that Tan France does where it's like your hair doesn't
need to be so Jimmy utronto seven.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I know, and it's still insanely, I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Now so much cuter if you had like a close
cropped fashion French haircut.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Tell him, Brad, tell him bad dear Brad, let's crop it.
And I guess their fallout was because she thought he
was like stealing clients from her because he got obviously
like too big for his bridges. But the point is it's.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Like that you fall out with your former employer, your
maid ysinist. Literally, it's like it's kind of just like,
I mean that this student becomes a master.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh, you want me to just sit here for and
help you like get dresses for debor messing and not
get my own clients. Yeah, learn, it's like teach.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, it's like, why are you trying to teach him
if you don't want him to get his own clients.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Let's talk about her opinion on jeans for a second,
because it's just.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Lets there's like forty pages on jeans where she's like,
don't wear jeans the office, but also so much is
happening in Denham right now?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And then on her podcast that I was listening to
from two months ago, her producer goes, so, how often
are you bringing your Chanelle denim bag to the Hamptons
And she's like, oh, of course, of course I'm bringing
the Dunham Chanel.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
There's also this thing in the book where she has
little like celebrities are invited to sound off.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Such as Jennifer Garner and.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Like real celebrities, it's Runner, Michael Course and Hathaway. There's
this little section and Hathaway cracks the gene code we've
been waiting. If you're thin, you can probably get away
with a stiff gene. If you're like me and a
bit curvy, then some stretches the way to go. There
are even some brands that managed to cut a skan
jing with stretch that looks good on the rest of
us shapely girls. Because Anne Hathaway in like two thousand

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and one terms was like fat. She was fat.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
And also this is the time when I think the
first time jeans was stretched came out in like.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Not a like because they hadn't figured out how to
like inject like spandex, and they had made.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like I think eighties like total ridiculous stonewashed jeans with
like a big pouch over it, but not the skinny
jeans we know today that are like three percent elastine.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And then Rachel Zoe goes gray. Fitting Ritlican jene should
not look like they're squeezing you out like sausage from
its casein if the waist cuts your hips running on
the line, your trursto create a fat roll. Cast those
jeans off immediately. In all likelihood, you don't need to diet.
In all likelihood you don't need to diet.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's like all but you probably do. Rachel Zobi she's
really anti jeens, but she's also like I get they're
like a part of today, and like we all do
need a pair of jeans, so you should have a
pair of like stove top skin.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
But she goes. I believe genes can be worn in
a mile long list of scenarios. I wear them for
work and play, of course, and occasionally on a night
out celebrating. I also believe denham should be used and
not abused. She's very dunhim is a privilege. I agree,
and like know when to use it. They're ideal for

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running around on your day off or a dinner party
at a best friend's house. Some jeans could even be
right for work, depending on the office of dress code
and culture. But when it comes to a company event,
unless it's some hoe down barbecue off for a little
more than dunhim out of respect for your employers in industry,
a dresser pair of trousers is no more difficult to
get into her list relaxed, and it makes an entirely
better statement. No matter on which you glam up jeans,
there's still jeans. So she comes down the office, but

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not an office party unless it's like a backyard hoedown and.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It's like themed. And she's also like never never do
a Canadian tuxedo, like please, She's very.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
She's being so like fashioned police and just being like,
oh okay, Willie Nelson.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm sure now she saw like Billy Eilish and like,
you know, a huge.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I love it. I die, I die, I die for Billy.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
I die for Billy, I die for segments does she wear?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
How does she live? Okay, how does she live? Here's
the thing? Like she has a big white Bobo Italia
CNB couch and in the show she's like Roger, I
want a furniture and he's like, we just got a
couch two years ago, and she's like so and he
was like, you told me this would be for life.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
And so then they go to Fendi Cassa and they's
like furniture. It's like very like modern, like everything is
just so like kind of euro early two thousands, like square.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Square white, but and it's cool, like I feel like
she talks about just like being fun. She does the
Clinton Kelly thing where she's just like, buy a ton
of different pattern cups from FLA Markets.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
She says at one point, then she loves Kelly Wurstler's style,
but she's like, obviously that's like way too colorful and
maximalist for me. I'm super modern and having like one
Amarillis on the counter and then just like this all
white room and so it's celebrity and like one large
canvas that's like all yellow.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And then she's also like very like me and dorm
in this way where she's being like, cant afford pricey art,
get vintage magazines and frame.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Them, frame magazines, Carla fil Massoni blankets. I don't know.
The whole friending cost some thing to me is a
little bit like one stop shop where I'm like right
where she's just like, oh wait, it's designer, Like she says,
don't fall for designer, but then she's like I need
to cost a couch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
She really isn't following her own creed in this no.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I think like when it comes to furniture, like everything
that she's learned from fashions, she throws out the window,
which I don't really get. It's like, shouldn't you be
like a student of this and do what you like
and a mix of vintage and and she's.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Like, yeah, she's get Massoni pillow.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
And research and it's like where is all that, Like
where's the inspiration?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
You know what it is? It was because they were
coming to photograph her house. She panicked, and she panicked
was already kind of just pretty beige.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
It was beige and boring, and it's.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Like where are the funky cups?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But I guess it also because like ultimately she is
basic and metallic flat, so like the house is going
to have.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Like she has flats, so it's going to be just
like white leather section.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
It's not being so like a dual told sofa and
like dark cherrywood walls and like yeah, fourteenth century tapestry.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's like she's so obsessed and she has another page
from like the Massoni granddaughter who is being so like
I'm a mess and I'm not as organized as Rachel Zoe,
but I wish she was like took more of her
own advice and like was a little more or less
like three magazines and the same modern lamp that like
everyone has go wireless or compact in the kitchen, tuk

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away everything else involved in a Media Center. Also throughout
this book she talks about travel and like me, She's like,
always stalk your iPod. I'm like, and bring DVD. But
then there's a photo of her and Roger on their.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Bed with DVD. So many clickers in dvdps.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
And she is just a cheesy in dorm and has
a frame photo of Johnny Depp that she got like
blown up. It's like a little frame bridge in this way.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Okay, wait what did she eat? Can I just this
section where Amy Soco as in Bungalow E. If you
don't know it, look it up. Yes. I went to
Mangalo eight for a Diesel after party in two those
and eight.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Now here you are in your Diesel hoodie.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I know, it's so crazy. And I went with the
entire cast of Project Home By season three and I
spent the whole night talking to Angela, who is completely insane.
If you don't know her, look around corrupt Anyways, Amy
Soco has a little piece on the at Home bar.
The perfect host is always ready for an impromptu cocktail party.
I know this all too well at Bungalow eight, where
all kinds of friends show up at all kinds of hours,
ready to have the time of their lives at your place.

(50:54):
Having the following essentials and stock will make her personal
bungalow just as great. The tools a cork, squirrel, a
double jigger, a shaker, a cocktailspan is very just like, okay,
the most normal things glasses old fashioned, those short scott
ones are ready to go. I do agree, like a
classic tumbler, like a short tumbler is the best, like
a rocks.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Glass basically, which I kind of like need.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
As opposed to like a high ball is really like
I use her all the time.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
It's and I think good for guests.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, it's also just like, oh I love the small
color mo rocan glasses and you can get them to
by the case, bottle service, vodka, bourbon, rum, tequil, legit.
She's just listing all liquors. I do feel Rachel's sop
has like a bar that's so hidden because she is
so hidden fridge and it's like hidden in a cabinet.
But like she's only drinking besides bubbles.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
No, she's very just like white wine and one glass
of champagne because that's like, how else do you do
so many events the night she's bubbles? I also think, yes,
you should have a stalked bar, but I also think
it's better to slim it down, like have a light
in a dark, like maybe have a whiskey in a
vodka and beer and wine. I don't think you need
like gin whiskey rum vibe.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I usually don't have like all five majors, but actually
maybe I do have like a little bit of everything
at some point.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Anyway, she doesn't cook obviously, and like when she has
this like housewarming for her friends and parents, she orders
from Johnson third Famous.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Where I was going to every day when I was
staying at maybe friend of the Pod Blaine's house, I
was in La and it's just like so like not
even that good and expensive, but you're like, I'm so
la and enrich, and I'm getting this.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Chicken salad and like she's not eating, No one's eating. Yes,
there was a bowl of curry chicken salad, being like
is this a barn And there's like at a mama.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Shoe ma, and she's having three bites and be like,
I'm having way too much of this. She also invented
Bethany in this way because both of them are bobbleheads.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Bobbleheads who are like say.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Type and scary and psychotic and caffeine and.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Saying like I die and like being like coffee and
like it's crazy. She doesn't even talk about coffee, even
though it's like she's give me my like valium latte personality.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I don't want to speak ntill I've had my all
black or is she.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
So like vanilla latte and it's getting so like yeah,
but then that feels like to me calories, So I'm like,
she's just huge.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
But she's also the girl who like only gets her
colories from coffee. That's true because she's had her massive
like eight hundred calories star. She was like, I'm actually good,
I already ate and she can have six grapes later.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
But then it's like she mentions once and here being
like it's so good to take time with Roger making
a late night meal. It's like you guys are.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Not getting your fendy Costa kitchen dirty.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
No, because even he and that he was like we
been like she's very kendal generally slicing one cucumber. Okay,
what does she wear?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I guess like metallic literally but also not.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
But also like when I think of Rachel's so specifically,
I think of a really flowy silk then belted, belted
hobo bag, metallic flats.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, hair for day. He's basically like stealing clothing from
the curve market and belting it for the size zero market.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Stop stealing clothes from the curve market. Okay, leave some
for us. Okay, who are you in the book?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Like, I mean, I have Brad, but you're Brad but like, okay,
sometimes you are like the most evil like Indie East
villainch bartender girl, because I'm Indy, I'm fucking Indie, you.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Loser, but you're being more these shirts are a mess.
But I think it's more I'm tailor and you're Rachel
So and like you're huge coffee and like because Rachel
So doesn't have to be mean to Brad because she
just takes like tailor to sushi and is like, can
we just like talk like she has Taylor be mean
to Brad, right, and so she can be fat and
dirty work. You're fucking dirty work and I'm just being

(54:52):
like so scared you're.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
BD, like calling me on your PDA being just like
I'm so sick, and I'm like you actually to come in.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, I'm really sick, Like, well we're dressing duble messing,
so come in. You can be sick when you're dead, bitch.
I guess book was so fun.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, it's I like that it's a textbook and it's
so chock full of like insane advice about so.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Much advice and like kind of like breakout. Well, there's
also all this like fashion illustration, that.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Much fashion illustration. I do love the photos of women
in the two thousands.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
There's this like really blurry, blown up photos of just
like Beascha Barton getting her hair done. Is It's really
sad because this whole book is a bad She's like,
Misha looks so cute, and she rocks her kads and
jeans when she's done a sneakers and like all these
just little like Misha does this, and Misha does she
was on.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Top of the world. She was so perfect period and
I just feel so bad. And I guess that the
thing is it's like when you're not a good actress.
I just feel like she must have been a pill
to be around or something, because I feel like she
didn't retain a lot of like allies as she moved
into adulthood and then she just got so fucked over
and did all the wrong projects.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
She became like depressed and didn't make allies. And then
I mean, Zoe loves her well.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
She did that. I don't know if they're still hanging out.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
No they aren't. And then she was on Dancing with
the Stars and it was like really sad. Remember she
was all smoking a bong in her car, so random
new carbong. Anyway, I give this book like, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Hard to say. It's like some iconic. It's she's iconic,
and like, go watch the Ritual Zoe Project. As a book,
it's not very revealing, and like, frankly, a lot of
the advice isn't like that good. It's not She's.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Literally saying, you're bring gumb on a blaze. So like
her personality, it's hard to because it's I'm alsomate with
the Lauren Conra because funnier because Lauren's like dumber and
more insane like her fashion. Zoe is such an icon
so when she is being like bring gum, you are

(57:00):
a little bit like, okay.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Rachel, I guess I'm not actually going to recommend that
people go out and buy this book. Yeah, give it
like two out of five metallic flats, but I will
say give the show like five out of five statement jewelries,
jewelry talk, start listening.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Two point eight stovepipe vintage Levi's out of five. I think.
I mean, if you saw this at a thrift store,
buy it, order it from thrift books. No, but I think,
actually this would be really fun gift. Because she talks
about alternative gifting. She was like, instead of bringing wine,
bring a photo of you and the host over to

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someone's house, which I found so random.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
It like an amazing housewarming gift or something like that
for someone like a stylish friend who loves metallic flats.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I'm just imagining if I went over to someone's house
and I brought them a framed photo of me and
them as a gift for just like a six person
dinner party.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I mean, people are already weirded out by that frame
photo I now have in my house of us at
the Russian Tea room that we were scammed into buying. Well,
it's just like you're new and frame just kind of like,
oh so you frame.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
That that kind of looks like a normal night. Okay,
you guys, listen, it's fall.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
We need to buy more metallic flats and we need
to get renewed by iHeart.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
We are up for renewal. And if you guys don't
flood our Apple podcast page with good reviews, they will
literally access from the lineup.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Even if you've already made a review, like.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It's under a pseudonym.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I don't know one minute and forty five seconds out
of your day to write a review and just.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Say like I die, like I'm obsessed with them, so
I am would mean the world.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It would really mean the world to us. We love
you so much.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
We die, We die for you, We literally die for you.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
We just want to keep giving you the content that
you crave.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
We want to keep buying like coffee table textbooks.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
But yeah, we also need my meme.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, like to keep on buying flats.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Okay, I love you.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Love me best. Our podcast is produced by Darby Masters,
who has like really chic Island style, kind of like
vintage Captains, et cetera. She throws like amazing President's Day parties.
I die for her events our podcast. The supervisor producer
is Abuzafar. He's an amazing American designer really doing new

(59:26):
things like Dunham sandals.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Our show was executive produced by Christina Everett. I die
for her. She has incredible style. She always wears statement
butterfly necklaces because she's such a free spirit. And I
love that. Our engineer is Beheid Frazier, And I have
to say, like, he's someone who is so high low
and he'll mix still lettos with a foo door. Yes, yeah, okay,

(59:53):
he'll be like a Cashmir strug with a string bikini
in the winter.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
So cute, and it's so unexpected.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, it's actually really really a ball, especially for as
conservative in office as iHeart. I think it's really really
brave of him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
The music was done other by like one of my
most favorite DJ, Stephen Phelips. Course, I saw him at
Calm the other year. I died at his like remixes
at the Bungalow eight pop up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I want to give a quick note and talk about
our previous producers who we actually no longer work with
my prolout projects. We have a falling out over actually
Debrah Messine's dress at the two thousand and eight American
Television Awards. It's fine, It's water under their bridge. I'll
see him at Spago and we'll grab a martini. I'll

(01:00:43):
have a few SIPs. So it's really not that big
of a deal. And I wish him all the beasts
in his future.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Knows, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
If you want to hear more of us, go to Patreon,
dot com, slash CBC The Pod. There's a ton of
really really interesting stuff out there, really call.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Like vintage episodes also if you want to catch up,
if you're looking for something like Timeless for a road trip.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I think it's like a great mix of classic
and vintage and modern and you're going to find that
all every single week, every Friday, there's new episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Rock and Glam Patroon dot com, slash CBC, The Pods.

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