October 23, 2024 • 28 mins
Guest: Sunoz "Sunny" Soroosh. Comedian. @sorooshisonfire Nurse mid-wife and comedian Sunny talks about cheating not in the Biblical sense but in the professional sense. Does having 2 separate careers at the same time constitute a kind of ethical non-monogomy or is it a recipe for comedy, chaos and confusion?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, listeners, we have a very special episode for you today.
This one is off the beaten path. As our guest,
comedian and nurse midwife Sono Sunny Charouche talks about having
two jobs, not two lovers, but two very different jobs.
And we here at Cheaters and Backstabbers think this might
be a form of cheating, or in a fancier language,
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is having two careers at the same time a kind
of ethical professional non monogy.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I will say that I am a cheater, not in
the biblical sense, but in the professional sense.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Everyone, we are back with another episode of Cheaters and Backstabbers,
and this week we have a very special guest, our friend, comedian, nurse, practitioner, midwife, actor,
so many things Study Sarouche.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We're glad you're here, guys, so good to see you.
Can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, Well, to start to keep us on brand, I
will say that I am a cheater, not in the
biblical sense, but in the professional sense. And we will
get into it, but I guess I'll just start. I
was born in the Bay Area in San Jose, California.
I lived in California for most of my life. I'm
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Iranian American. My parents are immigrants, so I'm first generation.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I grew up.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Really enveloped in my culture. But when I graduated college,
I knew that I wanted to come to New York City,
so I moved here.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I always loved being creative and being on stage as
a child, and I even got scouted.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
By a town age of wood.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But my parents, being immigrants, they were like, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You will get a real job, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So I went into healthcare. I started studying. Yeah, UC Berkeley,
I heard of it, great school, Yeah, I super fancy,
fancy fancy. Went to Columbia after that, heard of.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It an ivy League school, great, super fancy, And.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I obviously did like so many degrees. And now I'm
kind of like in that weird like school debt space.
I was like, was that really necessary?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
School? Dead school? So fun? Saddled with it? Oh my gosh,
you and the rest of America.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I owe the US government a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
They can wait, they can wait. They have a lot
of outstanding Yeah, they're fine, they're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But my friend, you know, in New York City, she's like,
look like, I know you're kind of in school and
like doing little jobs here and there, but like, if
you want to do background acting, there's so many productions
and just do it make a day's work days pay.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I like how you've rebranded well, not you, but we've
rebranded extra work.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Like yeah, to background act it's called background acting. Is
it's very you know PC, it's elevated, Yes, elevated. But
I started doing it, and then I realized that you
could get so much more work being a medical kind
of person. So there's a lot of it's called special
ability work. And then I started to do a lot
of that. I got accepted into the union, go SAG AFTERRA.
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And then I also started to learn that there's so
many other jobs on set. So there's like medical advising,
which I do a lot of surgical hand doubling, baby nursing,
which is when they have babies on set, they.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Need a like a real nurse there at all.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Okay, so from time out, while you're in school, all
of this time, you've already developed as a kid, you
developed a love for acting, but your parents were like
X nay, So you start your medical career and what
about your actual romantic life, Like what's that been like.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Kind of non existent?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, I think I'm just like I'm a total Capricorn,
and I'm just really driven on success and like really
getting to like a very happy place in my life life,
and I want to travel and like be stable and
have all these things. But I feel like my interests
are so varied that I'm trying to like bridge them
and that's kind of like what I'm getting to now.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So your number one priority in love and like the
cheating that you're talking about is actually cheating in your career.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I guess you could say that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But the hope is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You have two lovers, you have the love of medicine
and the love.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Of acting and performing stand up. But the hope is
that like one day it will just come together.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I mean, and if I come together, do you mean
you want to meet an actor or doctor? Is that
what you're hoping? Like in one of these fields you're
going to meet somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, that's actually the I was talking about more like professionally,
like these medical jobs on set or I mean, I
mean really like I would love to just be an
actor full time, right, That's always the goal for everybody
who does it that we can make an.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Income off of it. And it's not even about fame.
It's just about stability.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But you know, it's hard. I always say that, like
acting in comedy is like the woman or the man
that I really love. It's like my one lover that
I love more, and that gives me all the things
I need emotionally and spiritually and the real love that's there.
But he broke. He ain't got nothing. He ain't put
in a roof over my head. Okay, But medicine, I mean,
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medicine is stability. It's the paycheck, it's the health insurance.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Boo boo.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He pays for dinner, he takes you out, he pays
for the trips. But he's boring. He's not he's not boring,
but he's.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Just not it. He doesn't give you that excitement.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And I love working as a midwife. I love delivering babies.
But the reality is the US healthcare system is not
structured in a way to be like supportive and nourishing
and like really give you what you need. I mean,
I love it. And if there's a I'm trying to
figure that out as I guess what I'm saying. Work
in progress.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I always say your life is a metaphor for
your art.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I can relate to that. My life is like my
comedy set, full of unexpected twists and awkward clauses, just
like bombing on stage. I've learned to laugh on my
own chaos. Every day is an open mic, and I'm
the headliner of my own awkward sitcom.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So the fact that you're comparing your working relationships and
your two jobs as kind of having these two mistresses,
it makes me wonder what you would be like when
you do have a relationship. Are you going to bifurkate?
Which fun fact, that's our vocabulary word for the week.
It's you know, two different paths, you're going to do
both of them. So are you going to bifurkate your
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love life? Do you ever see that happening since that's
what you're doing with work?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I mean, girl, it's twenty twenty four, and you know,
maybe I could be in like a polycule or something.
That's a new word I learned and vocabulary vocabulary, so
like why not?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't recommend it from my own personal experience, but
if you do have that happen, let me know. So
how far into your Yeah, what is a polycule a polycole?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I guess from what I understand, it's an occupy, right.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like related to the if.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You're in a relationship group, and so you have like
partners within this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Group of people.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So you're all kind of partners in a poly polyamorous
relationship with many partners altogether. I think.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So, I feel like when a lot of people have
two relationships in their life, maybe secretly they're hoping that
one of them works out. So you're saying the relationship
you hope works out is actually alone with comedy and acting.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I get where Stunny is coming from. I'm constantly balancing
my different jobs too, I say. I work as a
parallel in the Bronx. It's incredibly gratifying. I love it,
but by night I'm a working comedian. It's always a
balancing act.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean I think of it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
How do you think that makes your other relationship feel?
Probably not good?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And now you have to hide doing these films or
doing these projects from the other relationship from your job.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Not really, because fortunately, like with midwifying and hospital work,
sometimes you can structure it as like doing twelve hour shifts,
twenty four hour shifts, and that's my goal is to
like work nights and weekends and kind of be able
to do both. But I guess it could. I mean,
it depends. I mean that's always something that people ask me.
They're like, well, how do you do both? And I mean, unfortunately,
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right now, the acting and the medical work on set
is just not enough to like sustain, especially we're in
a time post sack after strike. But I mean it's
definitely a question that I get a lot and people like, well,
how how are you going to make this work? And
the answer is that I don't really know yet.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's so funny because I think of, you know, cheaters
in romantic relationships and they have the same problem. Like
that's my number one question, which is like, how do
you have so much energy for both of these relationships?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How do you? And you're saying that you basically don't.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean basically, it's it's hard because you never
know when that acting job is going to come. You
never know when you're going to get that phone call
from your agent, you never know when an audition is
actually going to work out. So it's it's a really
hard situation. To navigate. But I think I've been fortunate
in that I've worked for a while in medicine and
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then I take a little break and I pursue more
of the creative side, and then maybe I work again.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Something else.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's so fascinating to me about this situation of you know,
these two lovers is that one is the more respected one,
and that you know, so often for me in my
own relationship, I like, look at someone who's good on paper,
and your situation, it would be the job in medicine.
So it's like the good on paper relationship versus the
one that's like the passionate one where you just.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Want to, you know, ravage them.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You want to rip comedy and acting's clothes off and
like take them in the in the room with the
cameras rolling. You know, and your parents would probably be
so ashamed. But do you think, like, as they're coming
around on your career, because I feel like they support you, now,
are you ready to give up the other love at
this time?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, just because I mean I do really really enjoy
that work. I mean I got into it for a reason.
My grandma was like a midwife and Iran and I
feel like, oh, Wow, a very spiritual connection towards that work.
But people think it's just like, oh, delivering babies is
so fun and it's so happy, but it's very stressful,
especially in New York City, you know, working in the
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busy hospitals, and it's a lot of volume and it's
a lot of responsibility and stress. And again it's not
really like the US healthcare system is not you know, you.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Know how it is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It doesn't always help people to the best of its ability,
especially people who are lower income, lower resource, not from
this country. You know, it has a lot of problems.
So I'm not really ready to give it up until
the point where the acting in comedy can sustain me fully.
But that's why I guess, like the rose colored glasses
you say, are the love is really where I can
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bridge it, where I can take those jobs where I'm
portraying a doctor delivering a baby on set or a
midwife delivering a baby on set, where I'm assisting you know,
the actors and the directors making the scenes look really
real from a medical standboy, when I'm like hanging out
with the little baby actors and holding them and keeping
them calm and taking them to set, it's really it's
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really nice. And so the hope is, I mean, yeah,
that that work will sustain me fully at some point.
But I think I will always at least a little
bit work in the medical field, even if it's just
like per DM locomes is what we call it when
you work shifts here.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So usually in our podcast we talk about like when
the wheels stell off, when the shit hit the van,
And it seems like you're still making it work right now.
So my question to you is, although you're cheating on
both of your professions right to some degree, so you're
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some what making it work for you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, I'm you're a happy teater.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean I feel I'm very happy, and I feel
that like I'm very honest, you know. I mean obviously,
when I work on set, people know that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Ethically non monogamous. Yeah, ethically non monogamous.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There you go. I mean, when I work on set,
that's why they hire me especially, is like they know
that I do this in real life, and you know,
with the midwifing thing, I always let.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Them know that.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, they they're aware of They've seen my socials
and my website and they know what I'm involved in.
And I I mean, I think it's healthy to have
like other passions and other things you do.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Do you think because I've seen you in your comedy
act out, you know, birthing a baby right like catching
a baby and it's very physical, do you think that
mothers who are in labor and they might like look
at your Instagram, could feel a certain way of like,
oh my gosh, she's going to talk about my vagina
on stage. She's going to like, you know, if if
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I request to eat the placenta, she could use this
as fodder for a podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know, I've never actually gotten that. I don't. I
think the people that have talked to me about it
think it's really awesome and interesting, and I don't think
it really comes to their mind right away. I mean
I've never been asked about it. But also like I
don't use anyone name, anyone's name, and I think that
they've been once they've been through it, they understand that
like birth is just crazy on its own, Like it
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doesn't need like a special person. I mean, it's always
just how it is. And you know, I have so
many stories more than even when I stay on stage.
So but yeah, I think they like it and also
because you know, I make them laugh when they're in pain,
so it's make it work.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's funny you say that comedy is this, you know,
the fun mistress. That's like the broke one, you know,
But medicine is more stable. Because I definitely from my
experience watching.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You, I've seen you be like high off.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Of your own supply from working because you're like, I
just delivered two babies in twenty four hours, and so
I would say that, like both of your mistresses have
a little bit of they give you a little bit
of that energy boost.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Definitely. So do you think that's what keeps you going back?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Because they say cheaters no matter what you're cheating on,
whether you're cheating on school, whether you're cheating on a spouse,
whether you're cheating on.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Your job, they get high and.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Addicted to the thrill that they get from that relationship.
So I'm just curious why, like, there has to be
something that keeps you beyond the money.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, No, I mean I definitely. I think it's definitely
like an adrenaline chase because I'm after a day on set,
I'm like super high, especially if it's like a day
that went well I'll be like riding my city bike
to the ferry, just like feeling on top of the world, like, yeah,
I killed it. And same with like, if I, you know,
do have a long day in the hospital, I'm up
all night like you just because honestly, that's the only
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way that you really survive is off that adrenaline. Because again,
it's it can be so high volume and so stressful
that the only thing that can really get you through
is that that rush. And so I think both of
them kind of satisfy this like need within me and like, yeah,
maybe it's not cheating. Maybe it's just ethical non monogamy.
And I think as a society, like you said, in
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relationships and whatever, it is, like I think we've all
started to realize that maybe like one profession or one
partner can't give you everything that you need. And that's okay.
And that's what I tell people. I say, Like they're
always like, what do you mean, Like you can't do
both things? And I'm like why not?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Who says?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Like my agent is very happy with what I do
because it gets me work my you know, my patients
think it's cool. You know a lot of the people
I work with think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What I do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And again, I think they both view each other, like
my comedy is inspired by midwife job. A lot of
the work that I do I get because of my
midwife job.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And you saying this, I want to put a call
out to our listeners that if anyone is pregnant and
would like to have a baby on camera, so that
we can combine both of studies. Mistress is in one show,
we'll make a film about it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We'll plot it, we'll write it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Into the script, and then we'll let you act while actually.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Giving birth to someone.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So if you are giving birth right now, if you're
nearing it, we'll work something out. Sonny may not promising,
may cut.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Her rates for I wish for you. Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
With this said, so, like where we are now today,
my question to you is how do you see yourself
going forward in romance? And the reason I ask this
is that it seems like your schedule is so packed
with both of these. Are you ever going to take
a break from those you know, these non human you
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know jobs? These? Are you ever going to take a
break from non human jobs that we're using as the
personification of a person to see an actual person and
maybe do something that could result. I don't know how
babies come from, but like, maybe you'll do something that
would create an actual baby.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean I personally don't really want kids, but okay, now,
I mean I would love to date, but I just
I can't the apps. Man, it's very hard for me.
It's a lot of time, it's a lot of energy.
I think that if I met someone organically and it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Worked out, that would be great. I date here and there,
but I.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Think again, my foot, since I haven't really found this
correct balance yet, I'm still figuring that out personally, and that's.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Kind of like taking a lot of my time so far.
But got it. But you do have this. You do
perform live in front of people.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So I wonder if there's anyone listening who could be eligible,
who might want to come to one of your live shows.
Would you ever entertain an audience member at a show
asking you out?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Sure that has happened before? Speaking of quick plug, my
next shows on October twenty third at Three's Brewing. I
run a show in green Point where I live, called
on Point Comedy, And if there are any potential suitors
out there, you know, feel free.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
To come We're going to go around the app. You know,
we're going around the apps and the only app you need.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Is podcasts exact to source it going to make that
an Instagram app is podcasters in your dating app?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So what would your potential suitors need to know about
you and these you know, two other things that are
taking up so much of your time, your two other loves,
your two other passions.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well, you might have to help me with an audition
or two here and there as my reader. Because everything
is self tape. Sometimes I have to go last minute
to set or last minute to work. But in general,
I mean I have a very interesting life. And if
you're down to hang and be my writer and I like,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Are you looking for.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
More of the medical and a reliable person or are
you looking for more of like an artist's free spirited type.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I think I'm definitely into like the kooky artists. Brooklyn
guy with like a mustache and a lot of tattoos.
Maybe he works as like a chef and like has
a big knife or something.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
What advice do you have for people who want to
be in a polycule, either romantically or with their job,
or who are juggling to loves, Like what is the
secret to having the energy for both of them?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I mean, you just have to follow your heart, you know,
and if something there is more than one thing in
your life that gives you joy, just do it. Like
don't let anyone else tell you like, oh you can't
do this and.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That, and yeah, like why why, There's no reason?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And you know, just do what you gotta do, Like
I always say, like fake it till you make it,
you know what I mean, Like, just do what you
gotta do. And I mean at this point, like again,
my acting is growing and I'm starting to get more parts,
bigger parts, more.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Book jobs, and you just have to take it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, like I was thinking about this, and this
is something like a lot of my acting coaches and
my agent has an agent who told me about it too.
But like there's so many actors you see out there
that you would think of successful that spent fifteen years
trying to become successful, ten years just to fall into
that role that brought them the success and then brought
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them more success. So I think a lot of it
is patience time and just really like an unwavering sense
of like self belief and self reliance, like really believing
that you can do something and make something a career or.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Make someone your boyfriend girlfriend. Oh yeah, I was gonna say,
I don't recommend fifteen.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Years because I have definitely maybe too long to wait
for a partner, but no matter how much you love them,
because I have thought that I was in a relationship
with someone before and then realize that.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Like, oh, they're never going to be in a real
relationship with me, Like they're just headspace, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm not as experienced in relationships, but I think the
follow your heart one because I think deep down, maybe
you know that something isn't right, like a partner isn't right,
or maybe it's just that a partner can't give you
everything you need. And I think like being honest and
being like telling them I had to be honest with
myself and be like I can't work a nine to
five as a midwife, Like I'm gonna die, Like I won't,
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I will be not happy, Like I have to make
space in my life for this other thing that I love.
And maybe that's part of this ongoing discussion about ethical
non monogamy, but I think that especially in like doing
this podcast today, I've really kind of started to understand
it more, you know, like why people do that. And again,
as a society, I think we're growing and evolving to
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realize that.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That's why we're here, you know, to normalize cheating and backstabbing,
because even the holiest of people think that they've never
committed cheating or backstabbing. And it's like, if you look
a little closer, it's probably happening in ways that you
don't even realize. Yeah, which you've been a great example
of over here, cheating on your jobs.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She's got two jobs, professional cheater, two hoes, two hoes.
But luckily, you know, we're trying to make it work,
you know, just we're making it work, not ethnic ethical,
non monogamy. I do a non traditional work schedule, so
just to work in twelves, twenty fours, and you know,
acting is like a lot of jobs are just like
a one day job, a couple of day jobs.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So it's nice.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's a fling. Yeah, it can be a little fling
and a memorable fling. Yeah, when I take a break.
I remember I was on I was part of the
core or team on Doctor Death season one, which is
a similar to It's based off a podcast about doctors
who it's a series, but doctors who have like hurt people,
killed people.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
The actual first one was about that doctor in.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Texas is a neurosurgeon, so kicking it back to you
and uh crazy, it was crazy. But I worked for
three weeks, two or three weeks on set as the
coreb for the or team, like making the rccenes look real,
like real surgeries, and like you know, at that time,
it was like kind of during COVID and I just
let my job know. I'm said, hey, I need to
take a fuks off, Like I was a contracting doing
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like COVID shots COVID testing, and I was like, hey,
I just need to take a couple of weeks off.
I have another project. And they we're like, okay, we'll
see you need to get back.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So you know, it's kind of depends on the situation,
but I.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Try to be respectful to both areas, and luckily I've
never had a bad situation turn up.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Doctor death, doctor death. Dundun Dun dun dunn.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you think people are born cheaters or do you
think they become cheaters later.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nature versus nurture. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I mean, I think there definitely is like people who
have a sense of like very one track mind, and
maybe they're just not open to the idea of like
I mean, there's so many people in this world that
just live a very traditional life. They find a partner,
they get married, they're with them forever, they have one
job that.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
They're at and they cheat behind their backs and the
Ashley Madison like we've all seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so maybe I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You have a second family, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, maybe that's
the way.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not really sure if they're born with it or
if it kind of develops.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Or do you think it's societal could be societal.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean, especially in this day and age when it's
more again like widely accepted to be like non monogamous.
And I think for me, I'm actually kind of grateful
for it, because maybe if I had just gone straight
into acting, I wouldn't be able to support myself with
the medicine like I am now, or get the type
of roles or really succeed in the way I've had.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So I'm happy to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Be a cheater, and I think that you know, I'm
a respectful cheater, and you know, it's really worked for
me so far, so I'm going to keep at it
and I'm just gonna, you know, find ways. Like right now,
I'm actually kind of in the market for a midwife job,
so I am just kind of looking for opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That suit my style.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And I'm like, look like I can't work nine to five,
I'm gonna work shift schedule or you know, and kind
of make it work. And that's that's what you got
to do, make it work for you.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think that failure or to compromise is really going
to be useful in your romantic endeavors, knowing what.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You want and knowing what you will do for it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Maybe that's why I don't really date, because I'm just
like not into the bs of like texting on an
app and going on a link day.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm just like, look, you want to make it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Happen, like let's keep a real dog, Like let's I
just don't have the.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Time to make it.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So far, you've come off smelling like Roses right, You're
just this ethically non monogamous cheater right on these two jobs.
Was there ever a moment where you thought I can't
do this, I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Do both of them?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm done with acting or I'm done with medicine.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean, definitely. Sometimes the medicine can get very challenging,
and I've been I mean, like my most worst recent
work situation was like a bad situation that I just
had to get out of.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But you know that happens, like like can you can
you tell us why?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't want to go too far into it, but
it just wasn't a good fit professionally, and it was
extremely stressful just the work environment that I was in,
and it just it wasn't a good fit.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
And I probably made your other lover look a little
more appealing.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It did, for sure, And I was really happy because
right after I left, I did pick up a couple
of amazing jobs with my with.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
My mistress that really worked out well for me, and
I was very happy to be able to do that.
But yeah, I mean I just had to.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I had to get out of there, and it was
a really hard thing.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And I think, but you're not turning your back on
it forever.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, definitely, I mean I need I need her, need her.
She's the provider and you know I can't. You know,
it's stability, and like you know, girl, we need health insurance,
like we need dental we gotta get we got to.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Keep these smiles looking good. But I don't know, so
you're a little shallow.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I'm gidding, but I just I'm I'm still I think
finding my feet in there, and and that's what I'm
kind of looking for is like a good opportunity that
allows me to do So you're into feet stuff into
into yes, fee finder for sure finder at feedfinder dot com,
Finder dot com. I wish that would be a great
career if I just had like a ton of followers
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on feed finder. I digress, But yeah, I mean we'll
see how how it pans out. Again, I'm looking for
just like an opportunity that allows me to do both
because I know that I'm the happiest when I do both,
and like that's that's my drive. My drive is just
like how can I find the keep the happiness and
like stay happy while also being able to pay the bills?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, I need you to read my screenplay about stand
up comedian who falls in love with her kind ofcologist. Oh,
I definitely want to, even though you told me it
was unethical. Yeah, but Movieland is not always real. Land
perfect Yeah, that's the world in which I like to
live in. Yes to these stories fabricated from my brain.
But well, Sunny, this has been such an interesting foray
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into your life as a cheater, your life with these
two mistresses, both of which you love and which you
really guys, you're actually in an ethically non monogamous relationship
with them.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Thank you, Sonny for sharing your two side pieces so
openly with us. I'm feeling better about having my own
two side pieces.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
As well, and we hope our listeners can learn something
that if they are actually cheating in romantic relationships, this
can serve as a metaphor for how you can find
happiness in both yes, while still rooting for one particular
partner to take the lead.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yes, and honesty is always the best policy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Oh that's beautiful. That's beautiful. So yeah, and get tested
for STDs.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, get tested regularly, and Parenthood'll do it for free
if you need it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Thank you so much for joining us on another episode
of Cheaters and Backstabbers, Sonny.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Than you so much for having me Kate and Chari
Hey, listeners, we have a very special episode for you today.
This one is off the beaten path. As our guest,
comedian and nurse midwife Sono Sunny Charouche talks about having
two jobs, not two lovers, but two very different jobs.
And we here at Cheaters and Backstabbers think this might
be a form of cheating, or in a fancier language,
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is having two careers at the same time a kind
of ethical professional non monogy.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I will say that I am a cheater, not in
the biblical sense, but in the professional sense.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Everyone, we are back with another episode of Cheaters and Backstabbers,
and this week we have a very special guest, our friend, comedian, nurse, practitioner, midwife, actor,
so many things Study Sarouche.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We're glad you're here, guys, so good to see you.
Can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, Well, to start to keep us on brand, I
will say that I am a cheater, not in the
biblical sense, but in the professional sense. And we will
get into it, but I guess I'll just start. I
was born in the Bay Area in San Jose, California.
I lived in California for most of my life. I'm
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Iranian American. My parents are immigrants, so I'm first generation.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I grew up.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Really enveloped in my culture. But when I graduated college,
I knew that I wanted to come to New York City,
so I moved here.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I always loved being creative and being on stage as
a child, and I even got scouted.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
By a town age of wood.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But my parents, being immigrants, they were like, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You will get a real job, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So I went into healthcare. I started studying. Yeah, UC Berkeley,
I heard of it, great school, Yeah, I super fancy,
fancy fancy. Went to Columbia after that, heard of.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It an ivy League school, great, super fancy, And.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I obviously did like so many degrees. And now I'm
kind of like in that weird like school debt space.
I was like, was that really necessary?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
School? Dead school? So fun? Saddled with it? Oh my gosh,
you and the rest of America.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I owe the US government a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
They can wait, they can wait. They have a lot
of outstanding Yeah, they're fine, they're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But my friend, you know, in New York City, she's like,
look like, I know you're kind of in school and
like doing little jobs here and there, but like, if
you want to do background acting, there's so many productions
and just do it make a day's work days pay.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I like how you've rebranded well, not you, but we've
rebranded extra work.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Like yeah, to background act it's called background acting. Is
it's very you know PC, it's elevated, Yes, elevated. But
I started doing it, and then I realized that you
could get so much more work being a medical kind
of person. So there's a lot of it's called special
ability work. And then I started to do a lot
of that. I got accepted into the union, go SAG AFTERRA.
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And then I also started to learn that there's so
many other jobs on set. So there's like medical advising,
which I do a lot of surgical hand doubling, baby nursing,
which is when they have babies on set, they.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Need a like a real nurse there at all.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Okay, so from time out, while you're in school, all
of this time, you've already developed as a kid, you
developed a love for acting, but your parents were like
X nay, So you start your medical career and what
about your actual romantic life, Like what's that been like.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Kind of non existent?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, I think I'm just like I'm a total Capricorn,
and I'm just really driven on success and like really
getting to like a very happy place in my life life,
and I want to travel and like be stable and
have all these things. But I feel like my interests
are so varied that I'm trying to like bridge them
and that's kind of like what I'm getting to now.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So your number one priority in love and like the
cheating that you're talking about is actually cheating in your career.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I guess you could say that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But the hope is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You have two lovers, you have the love of medicine
and the love.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Of acting and performing stand up. But the hope is
that like one day it will just come together.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I mean, and if I come together, do you mean
you want to meet an actor or doctor? Is that
what you're hoping? Like in one of these fields you're
going to meet somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, that's actually the I was talking about more like professionally,
like these medical jobs on set or I mean, I
mean really like I would love to just be an
actor full time, right, That's always the goal for everybody
who does it that we can make an.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Income off of it. And it's not even about fame.
It's just about stability.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But you know, it's hard. I always say that, like
acting in comedy is like the woman or the man
that I really love. It's like my one lover that
I love more, and that gives me all the things
I need emotionally and spiritually and the real love that's there.
But he broke. He ain't got nothing. He ain't put
in a roof over my head. Okay, But medicine, I mean,
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medicine is stability. It's the paycheck, it's the health insurance.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Boo boo.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He pays for dinner, he takes you out, he pays
for the trips. But he's boring. He's not he's not boring,
but he's.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Just not it. He doesn't give you that excitement.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And I love working as a midwife. I love delivering babies.
But the reality is the US healthcare system is not
structured in a way to be like supportive and nourishing
and like really give you what you need. I mean,
I love it. And if there's a I'm trying to
figure that out as I guess what I'm saying. Work
in progress.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I always say your life is a metaphor for
your art.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I can relate to that. My life is like my
comedy set, full of unexpected twists and awkward clauses, just
like bombing on stage. I've learned to laugh on my
own chaos. Every day is an open mic, and I'm
the headliner of my own awkward sitcom.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So the fact that you're comparing your working relationships and
your two jobs as kind of having these two mistresses,
it makes me wonder what you would be like when
you do have a relationship. Are you going to bifurkate?
Which fun fact, that's our vocabulary word for the week.
It's you know, two different paths, you're going to do
both of them. So are you going to bifurkate your
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love life? Do you ever see that happening since that's
what you're doing with work?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I mean, girl, it's twenty twenty four, and you know,
maybe I could be in like a polycule or something.
That's a new word I learned and vocabulary vocabulary, so
like why not?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't recommend it from my own personal experience, but
if you do have that happen, let me know. So
how far into your Yeah, what is a polycule a polycole?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I guess from what I understand, it's an occupy, right.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like related to the if.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You're in a relationship group, and so you have like
partners within this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Group of people.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So you're all kind of partners in a poly polyamorous
relationship with many partners altogether. I think.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So, I feel like when a lot of people have
two relationships in their life, maybe secretly they're hoping that
one of them works out. So you're saying the relationship
you hope works out is actually alone with comedy and acting.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I get where Stunny is coming from. I'm constantly balancing
my different jobs too, I say. I work as a
parallel in the Bronx. It's incredibly gratifying. I love it,
but by night I'm a working comedian. It's always a
balancing act.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean I think of it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
How do you think that makes your other relationship feel?
Probably not good?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And now you have to hide doing these films or
doing these projects from the other relationship from your job.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Not really, because fortunately, like with midwifying and hospital work,
sometimes you can structure it as like doing twelve hour shifts,
twenty four hour shifts, and that's my goal is to
like work nights and weekends and kind of be able
to do both. But I guess it could. I mean,
it depends. I mean that's always something that people ask me.
They're like, well, how do you do both? And I mean, unfortunately,
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right now, the acting and the medical work on set
is just not enough to like sustain, especially we're in
a time post sack after strike. But I mean it's
definitely a question that I get a lot and people like, well,
how how are you going to make this work? And
the answer is that I don't really know yet.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's so funny because I think of, you know, cheaters
in romantic relationships and they have the same problem. Like
that's my number one question, which is like, how do
you have so much energy for both of these relationships?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How do you? And you're saying that you basically don't.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean basically, it's it's hard because you never
know when that acting job is going to come. You
never know when you're going to get that phone call
from your agent, you never know when an audition is
actually going to work out. So it's it's a really
hard situation. To navigate. But I think I've been fortunate
in that I've worked for a while in medicine and
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then I take a little break and I pursue more
of the creative side, and then maybe I work again.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Something else.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's so fascinating to me about this situation of you know,
these two lovers is that one is the more respected one,
and that you know, so often for me in my
own relationship, I like, look at someone who's good on paper,
and your situation, it would be the job in medicine.
So it's like the good on paper relationship versus the
one that's like the passionate one where you just.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Want to, you know, ravage them.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You want to rip comedy and acting's clothes off and
like take them in the in the room with the
cameras rolling. You know, and your parents would probably be
so ashamed. But do you think, like, as they're coming
around on your career, because I feel like they support you, now,
are you ready to give up the other love at
this time?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, just because I mean I do really really enjoy
that work. I mean I got into it for a reason.
My grandma was like a midwife and Iran and I
feel like, oh, Wow, a very spiritual connection towards that work.
But people think it's just like, oh, delivering babies is
so fun and it's so happy, but it's very stressful,
especially in New York City, you know, working in the
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busy hospitals, and it's a lot of volume and it's
a lot of responsibility and stress. And again it's not
really like the US healthcare system is not you know, you.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Know how it is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It doesn't always help people to the best of its ability,
especially people who are lower income, lower resource, not from
this country. You know, it has a lot of problems.
So I'm not really ready to give it up until
the point where the acting in comedy can sustain me fully.
But that's why I guess, like the rose colored glasses
you say, are the love is really where I can
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bridge it, where I can take those jobs where I'm
portraying a doctor delivering a baby on set or a
midwife delivering a baby on set, where I'm assisting you know,
the actors and the directors making the scenes look really
real from a medical standboy, when I'm like hanging out
with the little baby actors and holding them and keeping
them calm and taking them to set, it's really it's
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really nice. And so the hope is, I mean, yeah,
that that work will sustain me fully at some point.
But I think I will always at least a little
bit work in the medical field, even if it's just
like per DM locomes is what we call it when
you work shifts here.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So usually in our podcast we talk about like when
the wheels stell off, when the shit hit the van,
And it seems like you're still making it work right now.
So my question to you is, although you're cheating on
both of your professions right to some degree, so you're
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some what making it work for you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, I'm you're a happy teater.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean I feel I'm very happy, and I feel
that like I'm very honest, you know. I mean obviously,
when I work on set, people know that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Ethically non monogamous. Yeah, ethically non monogamous.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There you go. I mean, when I work on set,
that's why they hire me especially, is like they know
that I do this in real life, and you know,
with the midwifing thing, I always let.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Them know that.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, they they're aware of They've seen my socials
and my website and they know what I'm involved in.
And I I mean, I think it's healthy to have
like other passions and other things you do.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Do you think because I've seen you in your comedy
act out, you know, birthing a baby right like catching
a baby and it's very physical, do you think that
mothers who are in labor and they might like look
at your Instagram, could feel a certain way of like,
oh my gosh, she's going to talk about my vagina
on stage. She's going to like, you know, if if
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I request to eat the placenta, she could use this
as fodder for a podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know, I've never actually gotten that. I don't. I
think the people that have talked to me about it
think it's really awesome and interesting, and I don't think
it really comes to their mind right away. I mean
I've never been asked about it. But also like I
don't use anyone name, anyone's name, and I think that
they've been once they've been through it, they understand that
like birth is just crazy on its own, Like it
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doesn't need like a special person. I mean, it's always
just how it is. And you know, I have so
many stories more than even when I stay on stage.
So but yeah, I think they like it and also
because you know, I make them laugh when they're in pain,
so it's make it work.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's funny you say that comedy is this, you know,
the fun mistress. That's like the broke one, you know,
But medicine is more stable. Because I definitely from my
experience watching.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You, I've seen you be like high off.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Of your own supply from working because you're like, I
just delivered two babies in twenty four hours, and so
I would say that, like both of your mistresses have
a little bit of they give you a little bit
of that energy boost.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Definitely. So do you think that's what keeps you going back?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Because they say cheaters no matter what you're cheating on,
whether you're cheating on school, whether you're cheating on a spouse,
whether you're cheating on.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Your job, they get high and.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Addicted to the thrill that they get from that relationship.
So I'm just curious why, like, there has to be
something that keeps you beyond the money.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, No, I mean I definitely. I think it's definitely
like an adrenaline chase because I'm after a day on set,
I'm like super high, especially if it's like a day
that went well I'll be like riding my city bike
to the ferry, just like feeling on top of the world, like, yeah,
I killed it. And same with like, if I, you know,
do have a long day in the hospital, I'm up
all night like you just because honestly, that's the only
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way that you really survive is off that adrenaline. Because again,
it's it can be so high volume and so stressful
that the only thing that can really get you through
is that that rush. And so I think both of
them kind of satisfy this like need within me and like, yeah,
maybe it's not cheating. Maybe it's just ethical non monogamy.
And I think as a society, like you said, in
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relationships and whatever, it is, like I think we've all
started to realize that maybe like one profession or one
partner can't give you everything that you need. And that's okay.
And that's what I tell people. I say, Like they're
always like, what do you mean, Like you can't do
both things? And I'm like why not?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Who says?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Like my agent is very happy with what I do
because it gets me work my you know, my patients
think it's cool. You know a lot of the people
I work with think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What I do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And again, I think they both view each other, like
my comedy is inspired by midwife job. A lot of
the work that I do I get because of my
midwife job.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And you saying this, I want to put a call
out to our listeners that if anyone is pregnant and
would like to have a baby on camera, so that
we can combine both of studies. Mistress is in one show,
we'll make a film about it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We'll plot it, we'll write it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Into the script, and then we'll let you act while actually.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Giving birth to someone.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So if you are giving birth right now, if you're
nearing it, we'll work something out. Sonny may not promising,
may cut.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Her rates for I wish for you. Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
With this said, so, like where we are now today,
my question to you is how do you see yourself
going forward in romance? And the reason I ask this
is that it seems like your schedule is so packed
with both of these. Are you ever going to take
a break from those you know, these non human you
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know jobs? These? Are you ever going to take a
break from non human jobs that we're using as the
personification of a person to see an actual person and
maybe do something that could result. I don't know how
babies come from, but like, maybe you'll do something that
would create an actual baby.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean I personally don't really want kids, but okay, now,
I mean I would love to date, but I just
I can't the apps. Man, it's very hard for me.
It's a lot of time, it's a lot of energy.
I think that if I met someone organically and it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Worked out, that would be great. I date here and there,
but I.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Think again, my foot, since I haven't really found this
correct balance yet, I'm still figuring that out personally, and that's.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Kind of like taking a lot of my time so far.
But got it. But you do have this. You do
perform live in front of people.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So I wonder if there's anyone listening who could be eligible,
who might want to come to one of your live shows.
Would you ever entertain an audience member at a show
asking you out?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Sure that has happened before? Speaking of quick plug, my
next shows on October twenty third at Three's Brewing. I
run a show in green Point where I live, called
on Point Comedy, And if there are any potential suitors
out there, you know, feel free.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
To come We're going to go around the app. You know,
we're going around the apps and the only app you need.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Is podcasts exact to source it going to make that
an Instagram app is podcasters in your dating app?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So what would your potential suitors need to know about
you and these you know, two other things that are
taking up so much of your time, your two other loves,
your two other passions.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well, you might have to help me with an audition
or two here and there as my reader. Because everything
is self tape. Sometimes I have to go last minute
to set or last minute to work. But in general,
I mean I have a very interesting life. And if
you're down to hang and be my writer and I like,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Are you looking for.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
More of the medical and a reliable person or are
you looking for more of like an artist's free spirited type.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I think I'm definitely into like the kooky artists. Brooklyn
guy with like a mustache and a lot of tattoos.
Maybe he works as like a chef and like has
a big knife or something.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
What advice do you have for people who want to
be in a polycule, either romantically or with their job,
or who are juggling to loves, Like what is the
secret to having the energy for both of them?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I mean, you just have to follow your heart, you know,
and if something there is more than one thing in
your life that gives you joy, just do it. Like
don't let anyone else tell you like, oh you can't
do this and.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That, and yeah, like why why, There's no reason?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And you know, just do what you gotta do, Like
I always say, like fake it till you make it,
you know what I mean, Like, just do what you
gotta do. And I mean at this point, like again,
my acting is growing and I'm starting to get more parts,
bigger parts, more.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Book jobs, and you just have to take it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, like I was thinking about this, and this
is something like a lot of my acting coaches and
my agent has an agent who told me about it too.
But like there's so many actors you see out there
that you would think of successful that spent fifteen years
trying to become successful, ten years just to fall into
that role that brought them the success and then brought
(20:08):
them more success. So I think a lot of it
is patience time and just really like an unwavering sense
of like self belief and self reliance, like really believing
that you can do something and make something a career or.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Make someone your boyfriend girlfriend. Oh yeah, I was gonna say,
I don't recommend fifteen.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Years because I have definitely maybe too long to wait
for a partner, but no matter how much you love them,
because I have thought that I was in a relationship
with someone before and then realize that.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Like, oh, they're never going to be in a real
relationship with me, Like they're just headspace, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm not as experienced in relationships, but I think the
follow your heart one because I think deep down, maybe
you know that something isn't right, like a partner isn't right,
or maybe it's just that a partner can't give you
everything you need. And I think like being honest and
being like telling them I had to be honest with
myself and be like I can't work a nine to
five as a midwife, Like I'm gonna die, Like I won't,
(21:07):
I will be not happy, Like I have to make
space in my life for this other thing that I love.
And maybe that's part of this ongoing discussion about ethical
non monogamy, but I think that especially in like doing
this podcast today, I've really kind of started to understand
it more, you know, like why people do that. And again,
as a society, I think we're growing and evolving to
(21:28):
realize that.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That's why we're here, you know, to normalize cheating and backstabbing,
because even the holiest of people think that they've never
committed cheating or backstabbing. And it's like, if you look
a little closer, it's probably happening in ways that you
don't even realize. Yeah, which you've been a great example
of over here, cheating on your jobs.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She's got two jobs, professional cheater, two hoes, two hoes.
But luckily, you know, we're trying to make it work,
you know, just we're making it work, not ethnic ethical,
non monogamy. I do a non traditional work schedule, so
just to work in twelves, twenty fours, and you know,
acting is like a lot of jobs are just like
a one day job, a couple of day jobs.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So it's nice.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's a fling. Yeah, it can be a little fling
and a memorable fling. Yeah, when I take a break.
I remember I was on I was part of the
core or team on Doctor Death season one, which is
a similar to It's based off a podcast about doctors
who it's a series, but doctors who have like hurt people,
killed people.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
The actual first one was about that doctor in.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Texas is a neurosurgeon, so kicking it back to you
and uh crazy, it was crazy. But I worked for
three weeks, two or three weeks on set as the
coreb for the or team, like making the rccenes look real,
like real surgeries, and like you know, at that time,
it was like kind of during COVID and I just
let my job know. I'm said, hey, I need to
take a fuks off, Like I was a contracting doing
(22:57):
like COVID shots COVID testing, and I was like, hey,
I just need to take a couple of weeks off.
I have another project. And they we're like, okay, we'll
see you need to get back.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So you know, it's kind of depends on the situation,
but I.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Try to be respectful to both areas, and luckily I've
never had a bad situation turn up.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Doctor death, doctor death. Dundun Dun dun dunn.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you think people are born cheaters or do you
think they become cheaters later.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nature versus nurture. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I mean, I think there definitely is like people who
have a sense of like very one track mind, and
maybe they're just not open to the idea of like
I mean, there's so many people in this world that
just live a very traditional life. They find a partner,
they get married, they're with them forever, they have one
job that.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
They're at and they cheat behind their backs and the
Ashley Madison like we've all seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so maybe I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You have a second family, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, maybe that's
the way.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not really sure if they're born with it or
if it kind of develops.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Or do you think it's societal could be societal.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean, especially in this day and age when it's
more again like widely accepted to be like non monogamous.
And I think for me, I'm actually kind of grateful
for it, because maybe if I had just gone straight
into acting, I wouldn't be able to support myself with
the medicine like I am now, or get the type
of roles or really succeed in the way I've had.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So I'm happy to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Be a cheater, and I think that you know, I'm
a respectful cheater, and you know, it's really worked for
me so far, so I'm going to keep at it
and I'm just gonna, you know, find ways. Like right now,
I'm actually kind of in the market for a midwife job,
so I am just kind of looking for opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That suit my style.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And I'm like, look like I can't work nine to five,
I'm gonna work shift schedule or you know, and kind
of make it work. And that's that's what you got
to do, make it work for you.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think that failure or to compromise is really going
to be useful in your romantic endeavors, knowing what.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You want and knowing what you will do for it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Maybe that's why I don't really date, because I'm just
like not into the bs of like texting on an
app and going on a link day.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm just like, look, you want to make it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Happen, like let's keep a real dog, Like let's I
just don't have the.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Time to make it.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So far, you've come off smelling like Roses right, You're
just this ethically non monogamous cheater right on these two jobs.
Was there ever a moment where you thought I can't
do this, I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Do both of them?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm done with acting or I'm done with medicine.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean, definitely. Sometimes the medicine can get very challenging,
and I've been I mean, like my most worst recent
work situation was like a bad situation that I just
had to get out of.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But you know that happens, like like can you can
you tell us why?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't want to go too far into it, but
it just wasn't a good fit professionally, and it was
extremely stressful just the work environment that I was in,
and it just it wasn't a good fit.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
And I probably made your other lover look a little
more appealing.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It did, for sure, And I was really happy because
right after I left, I did pick up a couple
of amazing jobs with my with.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
My mistress that really worked out well for me, and
I was very happy to be able to do that.
But yeah, I mean I just had to.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I had to get out of there, and it was
a really hard thing.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And I think, but you're not turning your back on
it forever.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, definitely, I mean I need I need her, need her.
She's the provider and you know I can't. You know,
it's stability, and like you know, girl, we need health insurance,
like we need dental we gotta get we got to.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Keep these smiles looking good. But I don't know, so
you're a little shallow.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I'm gidding, but I just I'm I'm still I think
finding my feet in there, and and that's what I'm
kind of looking for is like a good opportunity that
allows me to do So you're into feet stuff into
into yes, fee finder for sure finder at feedfinder dot com,
Finder dot com. I wish that would be a great
career if I just had like a ton of followers
(27:06):
on feed finder. I digress, But yeah, I mean we'll
see how how it pans out. Again, I'm looking for
just like an opportunity that allows me to do both
because I know that I'm the happiest when I do both,
and like that's that's my drive. My drive is just
like how can I find the keep the happiness and
like stay happy while also being able to pay the bills?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, I need you to read my screenplay about stand
up comedian who falls in love with her kind ofcologist. Oh,
I definitely want to, even though you told me it
was unethical. Yeah, but Movieland is not always real. Land
perfect Yeah, that's the world in which I like to
live in. Yes to these stories fabricated from my brain.
But well, Sunny, this has been such an interesting foray
(27:52):
into your life as a cheater, your life with these
two mistresses, both of which you love and which you
really guys, you're actually in an ethically non monogamous relationship
with them.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Thank you, Sonny for sharing your two side pieces so
openly with us. I'm feeling better about having my own
two side pieces.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
As well, and we hope our listeners can learn something
that if they are actually cheating in romantic relationships, this
can serve as a metaphor for how you can find
happiness in both yes, while still rooting for one particular
partner to take the lead.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yes, and honesty is always the best policy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Oh that's beautiful. That's beautiful. So yeah, and get tested
for STDs.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, get tested regularly, and Parenthood'll do it for free
if you need it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Thank you so much for joining us on another episode
of Cheaters and Backstabbers, Sonny.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Than you so much for having me Kate and Chari
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