April 23, 2024 • 40 mins
Can we have sports without entertainment? Or is sports entertainment first and foremost? What is 'WAGagadon'? In the context of F1, these questions become even more interesting and layered, as Elizabeth Blackstock puts it - "Liberty Media is currently stuck marketing a sport when they were sold entertainment."On this week's episode, we discuss all things drama, fashion, gossip and entertainment. Toni has assembled a phenomenal group of fans and experts to convince Michael there is so much beyond the actual race to look forward to. We are joined by Rashi Gaur, the woman behind the lifestyle account that captures and shares every detail of Lewis Hamilton's outfits. As well as the duo, Hannah and Zoe, behind the popular Fan Behavior podcast and last year's co-host Lily Herman, F1 journalists and the author behind the newsletter - Engine Failure.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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prepare their needles for combat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So, Tony, Michael, do you know what I heard?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I have a feeling you're about to tell me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
On this final judgment day Speed and Accuracy in following
eight separate patents.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I have an on good authority that Max Verstaffan is
planning on retiring and devoting all of his time to
competitive crochet.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
New South Wales wool Knit Off champion Missus Green has
been knitting for over fifty years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
A surprising new Challenger X racing driver from Holland and
mister Max fust Tarpan had an early start at the
age of four.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And you know I'm going to ask this, but who
are your sources?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I can't. I can't tell you that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Let's just say it gossip.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
It's it.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Go for My Heart podcast one on one Studios and
Sports Illustrated Studios.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
This is choosing sides one. Wow. Wow, Michael. Yes, I
have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I thought questions were my job and your job was
the answers.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We're shaking it up. Do you think we can have
sports and athletes without that entertainment factor like our sports
just a form of entertainment or should sports be put
in their own category of human activity? Can we separate
the two.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I love that question because that question immediately identifies that
sport is entertainment. You know, lots of times I think
fans forget that sport is entertainment. First, we're selling tickets, yep,
so that is very important, but should have been a
separate category.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I like this idea. I like this idea.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's one I think that's come up a lot, especially
in the Formula one world, where for some reason people
seem to think that if one used to be just
about sports, and I think they forget the genesis of Formula.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
One, but I mean just about sports, not about entertainment.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It was which you know, again it was started with amateurs,
so they were hardly the greatest, biggest athletes. I think
the average age on the grid, you know, back in
the fifties was probably forty or fifty year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Old, right.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But it came out because there was a great piece
that was written by It is of a blackstock where
she highlights the fact and I think you'll appreciate this,
but she highlights the fact that the Formula one owners
I Liberty Media are currently stuck marketing a sport when
they were actually sold entertainment.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
That is a big difference. You know, those are two
very different things. Look, if you're asking me, which sounds
like you are, I don't need a T shirt, gun,
I don't need a dance squad. I mean, the halftime
show is fine, but I'm here to watch the event.
I'm here to watch the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I'm actually here to convince you otherwise.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Of course you are, Tony, that you are.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
In fact missing out on a huge element of what
if one actually has to offer. And to help me out,
we have assembled an amazing team of super fans and experts.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know, Tony never just gives you her opinion. She
gives your opinion, and then she hassembles all this evidence
to sway you.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I assemble the A team.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
So I am Rashi. Everyone in the entire world probably
knows me as my Instagram page name, which is amazing. Lou.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
So I'm Hannah. I am one half of the Fan
Behavior podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I am Zoe.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I am the other half of fan Behavior, and our
goal is really just to bring people together, fangirls, fanboys, really,
whoever you are.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And this next voice you might find familiar.
Speaker 8 (03:30):
I'm considering getting two fish in twenty twenty four, and
I'm gonna name them Lewis Hamilfin and then Adrian Bowie.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's a voice. I recognize those puns. I recognize those puns.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Lilly Herman, writer editor by trade. In the context of
F one, I did co host season one of Choosing
Sides F one, so I am very familiar with everyone.
I'm here to be a menace to Yohai and then
elsewhere in F one. I am the creator of the
F one culture newsletter Engine Fail.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What would you say fans are missing out if they
only watch the race, Like, do you actually understand formula one?
If you do is tune in for the race and
then tune out.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
It's almost like going from a two D looking at
a two D shape like a circle into a three
D sphere right, or like a square into a cube.
Like you just see more dimensions, more layers, more pandemonium,
more tension, more stakes. They all exist the more you
know about the sport.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I love a story.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I love like watching a story.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
I feel much more invested in something if I understand
how we got here and where it came from.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
Look at Alpine for instance. Obviously you might say, ah,
a French team with two French drivers. That seems a
little emotional and dramatic to begin with. But then if
you know that Pierre Gasley and Estabonocon have had this
weird tension friction rivalry going back to their teen years
and they had some massive falling out after having been
friends for many years, that adds a layer. And then
(04:56):
if you had the extra layer of Ralph Schumacher going
on a you know, a network program in a different
country and claiming it's it's because one stole the other's
girlfriend when they were fourteen, Like that's nuts, That is
absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 9 (05:12):
Yeah, wait, what the fuck you what it's second anyway, Yeah,
we're just consident off.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Please serious, you're saying serious?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I thought.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
But then you yeah, you watch them on the racetrack
and of course you know there's times where like Pierre
does something to Esteban Estmon makes a comment over the radio.
You better understand it's not just about oh, it's my teammate,
my competitor, you know that dynamic, it's these guys have
a lifetime of history together, had very different upbringings have
been competing together since they were literal children, and now
they're on the same team, and they both everyone speaks French.
(05:55):
They're just cursing each other out and in multiple languages,
and I'm having.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I probably have older you know, Okay, boomer beliefs on
this topic. Okay, I think talent and performance should be
the top deciding factory. But I'm a comedian who values
and prides myself on being funny, but have struggled with
the marketing, you know, in my own opinion, struggle with
(06:22):
the marketing side of this shit. And then you see
younger comics who are so good at marketing, and I'm like,
they can't even tell a joke. So I'm coming at
it from like Grandpa's mad. Yeah, you know, so I'm
very fully aware of that. I do think Lebron James
Michael Jordan was fully aware of the marketing but was
such a complicated person. Lebron James came on the scene
(06:42):
and it's just as like, holy shit, he's not only
the best player, but also is the best marketing. Is
also fully branded at an early age. So what was
your question?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My question was, do you are you in this day
and age, and you kind of answered it. My question was,
in this day and age, do you think it is
fair that we expect these athletes to be top of
their game, the best in their industry, also incredibly marketable presence,
have a great presence on social media, be willing to
do all the press conferences, be willing to do the
late night show. I'm curious for both of you if
(07:14):
there was a particular moment where you're like, oh, this
is it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I'm hooked the second that Daniel Ricardo came on screen. Honestly,
same for me. I often lovingly for too. Daniel as
the gateway drug. I think there's so many people, countless
people that really have Danie Ricardo to credit for why
they are f one fans or or why they initially
became Formula one fans.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It was right away when he said that he was
Danie Riccardo and he was a car mechanic.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I was invested. Forgive my ignorance, has he won anything?
But I mean, I like the guy I'm Adam the
Daily Show very not no, but I just like where
it's not cool to me when the marketing is so
far ahead of the performance.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But maybe that has helped him stay in the game
more so than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I was going to say the same thing, Yeah, it's smart,
stay alive.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I will never not root for him because he was
the first person that I connected with, and in some
weird way, I feel like I owe him, like he
is the reason that I'm here doing this, and so
I feel like he deserves that from me because I
almost it's almost like a thank you to him, like
I will never not cheer for you because I'm so
grateful to you for getting me in this position, which
(08:22):
is what I would tell him if I ever met him.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think they're always gonna go for this. The brands
behind the drivers are always going to try to get
this because this is the sweet spot with the most
amount of money and the most amount of But they
all can't do it. And they all cannot do it.
It's gonna backfire, it's gonna be problematic at times, and
it's gonna feel clunky, and thanks to money and fame,
(08:43):
I felt I was entitled. Look at Tiger woods Man.
You know, they created this, he had the talent, they
created the story, everything was perfect, and it was a
fucking disaster. I mean now, it's a disaster. The guy
is like a pussy hound who can't stay off pain
meds and crash his car every six months.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You can quote me on all that.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's insane. It's like, is that really good for golf?
I brought this shame on myself. I hurt my wife,
my kids.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
We like putting people on pedestals so hard and then
bring yeah, yeah, that we can't. But I think so
here's the thing. I know you're not the biggest fan
of Maxistappen, but I do think when we have this conversation,
Maxistappen is a perfect example of someone who has sheer talent, dedication,
shows up, does the job, does not care about anything else.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Everyone will agree. I think his fans would agree, and
that's what they love about him. He's there to race,
he's rough around the edges. When he's done racing, he's
probably gonna jet off and we're not gonna hear fro
him that often until he shows up to race for
something else or what have you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But that also means that the media narrative is not
in his control, in his hands, and he's been painted
as a villain.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I love that he doesn't do that bullshit.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I love that he wins the races and says that's
what's This is how I'm communicating to you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
That's a Jimmy Conners vibe in tennis. Oh you think
I'm an asshole? I just won the tournament.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's over. It does I don't even have to do
an interview. I can do what I want.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love that. And if you know when that works.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
When you win, When he.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Starts placing six over and over again, the brands, the
sponsors are going to say, like, you gotta do this podcast,
you gotta do the thing you know?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So would I don't stick around?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, they don't stick around. Yeah, and that's okay too.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I think he is an incredible driver, but I don't
have that level of Oh I feel a kinship or
a connection or I'm searching for your content.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
See you off the track. Whereas a driver like Yuki Sonoda.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yuki, how many eight year olds would it take to
beat you in a fight?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Oh, eight years is quite good, age seven.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I could watch Yuki content all day, every day. Give
me more of it.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
You could only use one curse word for the rest
of your life.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
What would it be?
Speaker 10 (10:42):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Everyone loves him, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the fact that he's so likable
off track, and I think anyone that says they don't
allow the driver off track personality to influence how they
feel about the driver on track, I think is lying
because how can you not?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What are the rumors in gossip F one? Right now?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Where do you even start?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I feel like, let's start with sex.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You know what, That's the perfect cliff to hang an
at break.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
On short break, folks, we'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And we're back Cossa, you asked about the gossip. I'm
actually gonna let the Queen of salaciousness feel this one herself.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
There's been something that I have dubbed wagaged in where
most of the drivers dumped their long term girlfriends in
the same like four to six months span, and all
almost all of them got new girlfriends. And why that
matters is that there's been this enormous turnover in a
lot of the ways F one culture works, be it
people keeping track of what these various significant others are
(11:47):
wearing to the track or they you know, certain significant
others used to post photos and videos of the drivers
and obviously, now they're off the grid, some of those
ex partners are posting some kind of shady TikTok videos
and Instagram posts that are kind of fun and intriguing
to follow. But again, it's kind of a case of
when you follow that stuff, you do get a more interesting,
(12:07):
colorful picture of what's going on. But yeah, Waggageddon is
my big one.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Wagga geddon All right, give us the juice who broke
up with him?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
Okay, it all kicked off, I would say, even last September,
Lando Norris put out this weird statement about him and
his girlfriend Luisa breaking up, and then he deleted it
minutes later, so everyone's like, what is going on with this?
But they broke up and she dealt with a ton
of cyber bullying just for being Lando Norris's girlfriend, not
for any particular reason. You then had charl and his
then girlfriend Charlotte break up and put out identical Instagram
(12:39):
statements you had here, ghastly sort of, he broke up
with a different girl. Rest of on Ocan broke up
with his girlfriend Elena Carlos, who was with his girlfriend
Lisa for like six seven years. They broke up and
he got a new girlfriend if you want drama with
in drama, Carlos signs his new girlfriend Rebecca Donaldson. I
want to say she's a Scottish model. Her big claim
to fame or one of her other ones is that
(12:59):
she dated Scott Disick aka Courtney Kardashians X, whom she
has three kids with, for a short period of time.
And Rebecca Donaldson went to the Kardashian Hulu show premiere
and that was like a mini plot point, was like,
who's this mysterious woman that Scott Dissick brought to our premiere?
And it was Rebecca Donaldson, Carlo's lines girlfriend. The layers
(13:20):
the Kardashian. All roads lead to the Kardashians, is what
we're learning from this, from this experience is so the
Kardashians have infiltrated f one inadvertently.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The way my brain works, I get so overwhelmed by
the amount of rumors coming out that I just kind
of block them all out. Which is why I love
things like Well Lily's newsletter because she tells me exactly
just the things that I need to know in that space.
It exactly great read.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean, I don't know what the hell's going on
and I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You go, I get the load down. So she's she's
you know, she's the queen when it comes to actually
not just giving us the rumors, but telling us how
it fits into the board a spectrum.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Can I give you a little, a little insight into
my brain?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Like when I'm watching a sport and they cut to
the section of wives and girlfriends, why because I like
seeing how beautiful these women are.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know, that's it?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's it. I told you it
was okay. No, I mean it's always well, no, there's
a lot of reasons. But of course it's fun to
just see the section of beautiful women. But I always
feel like there's tension between them too. Yes, yeah, I
love that part. Like at a soccer team when they
cut to the section and it's like, why didn't you
pass them?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That's not a trope of history. We love to pay
women against each other.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Of course, and I'm an advocate of history.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Or Michael just canceled.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Himself once again, Michael Costa cancels himself. But I mean,
you know what, I've also learned that if i'm thinking it,
I'm not the only one. So let's talk, Tony.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's talk.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
We are fans of these drivers, We are curious about
their lives. That comes with who they're married to, who
they're dating. But I also don't think it's necessarily fair
that they like get put under this microscope when they're
not necessarily posting about their boyfriend. So to me, the
girlfriends that I feel like really resonate with myself, and
(15:08):
I think Zoe would feel similarly is Carmen, who's dating
George Russell, and Lily, who is dating Alex Albert.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
She's brilliant, by the way, she's a pro golfer too.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Oh okay, much different speeds, very different speeds.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
They're a duo that clearly don't like social but I'm
very good at.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It's always annoying when somebody's good at it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Two, she did the BTS footage of him trying to
do a campaign on TikTok for Seavey moisturizing, and it
was such a smart move to showcase how idiotic we
all look trying to do these TikTok videos, and she's
just in hysterics, and you're just like, that's actually cute,
(15:50):
because we shouldn't take all of this to your point,
this is sports. We should always take everything seriously.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I also find it interesting the wives and girlfriends that
have taken their platform and used it to then pursue
other things outside of being the partner of a Formula
One driver, whether that's brand deals, working with sponsors. People
have different feelings on that. I think some people feel
like you shouldn't use your relationship to make money. Other
(16:17):
people think why not you have this great platform. I
don't really have an opinion on that. I just think
it's an interesting thing to navigate.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Do you know who Morgan Riddle is?
Speaker 11 (16:25):
So? Morgan Riddle is dating Taylor Fritz. Taylor Fritz is
a very well known and famous American tennis player. There's
also a show now on Netflix called Breakpoint. Breakpoint is
to Tennis, What drive to survive?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Everyone's trying and they're all going to fail. That can
be a whole other season on that. But what's interesting
is this whole piece was about her role in tennis,
not from within the bubble, not pretending to be a
tennis expert, but from actually the position where she sits,
and she is a lifestyle and fashion influencer and Wimbledon
(16:59):
did some think really incredible, which is Wimbledon decided, Hey,
you are good looking, you're great with fashion, you're great
on camera. You've got your whole audience, and we are
noticing that. Little girls and little boys come up to
you and go, you're the reason I'm in tennis. And
she doesn't pretend she's like I barely interested in matches.
I look at them because my boyfriend is playing, and
(17:19):
so that got me interested. So I'm not going to
pretend I'm something I'm not. But I do love getting
ready for a tennis match. I do love putting time
and effort into the outfits I pick. And when she
was at Wimbledon, she did that as well, and so
Wimbledon what they did was give her a fashion segment.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Tell me what inspired Alvidz say, mine's a combination of
Preppe modern and I think the outfit was also inspired
by Sean Mendes.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, che genius call threads. It's on YouTube. It's actually
pretty popular.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And there I should jump in quickly. No sport cuts
to the wife or player box more than tennis.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I mean almost after every point constantly.
Speaker 12 (17:59):
Said in there, you pointed to your people up there
and said, I told you, what did you tell them?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
My girlfriend thought I was too too confident going on.
She was getting an incredible and just always does the
box always does an incredible amount of camera close.
Speaker 12 (18:18):
Organ up there said if Tyler wins again, I'm gonna
eat a jar of veggiemight.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
On Instagram Live.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The reason I had a moment of Oh, we're in
trouble in Formula one when Wimbledon, one of the most
archaic sports out there, is beating us in terms of
getting creative and utilizing the wives and the girlfriends and
treating them like ambassadors with an actual role in this
industry to actually tap into brand new audiences. And that's
(18:50):
what I mean where it's like I might not follow
the gossip, but these women, the way they dress, what
they stand for, the work that they do, are bringing
in a whole new court of fans of the sport
that might not just be in for it for the
tech or the speed, but they're just like, I love
what this sport represents. I love that it's a traveling circus.
I love the fashion, I love the glitz, I love
the glamor, and is nothing wrong about that? So anyway,
(19:11):
I had this moment of oh crap, we're in trouble
when tennis is beating us to the punch.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Here, I's love for five hours last night, which like,
if you guys know my sleep, I'm like a ten
to twelve hour kind of gal.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
To your point about Morgan, yeah, I might get in
trouble for saying this. It's probably stupid for me to
say it that.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Maybe don't Tony, Tony, Tony.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
My favorite part of Taylor Fritz's tennis is Morgan. You know,
I just he bums me out so many times with attitude, effort, result. Yeah,
and she's this breath of fresh air in his tennis world.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The thing that I love about her is she gives
the middle finger to anyone who's like, why the hell
is she even there? She doesn't care about ten and
she's like, bring it on. This is great for social clouts.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm not gonna lie to you guys.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I do take melatonin drug myself with Zequel.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'll take some gummies.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
Knock myself out.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
I just wanted to make one sort of introduce, one
sort of thought or claim here. Every form of entertainment
needs to be something else other than just entertainment. And
showing people at a good time. It has to include
some kind of other function for it to be a value. Example, comedy,
I think comedy is basically a form of popularizing philosophy
(20:31):
and how you think about life. Also, it helps people
talk and think about very difficult issues and break taboos.
And I think sports role in society and f one
as part of that, is in a way to subdue
a lot of our inherent violence, both as individuals and society.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
This is the smartest thing you ever said to me.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
Yeah, and just sort of like create a place where
you can be incredibly competitive and destructive and violent and
then turn around and just shake hands and walk home
as friends.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
This is why commentators don't do this anymore, thankfully. But
there used to be so much, so much war terminology
used in football too, you know, get the troops together
on the trenches. And this is very common because it
does tie into this life or death feeling. But the
reason I hate when they do that is it's like,
this isn't real stakes, this is Goofy's are kidding right now.
(21:26):
But I like this, and I like analyzing what each
sport really is providing for us on a much deeper
level interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The following is a public service announcement joke.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
One you publicly single again, I mightna say keep saying
publicly single, because you know, we don't know what there's
certain shanigans I don't need to know about how your
body is taken and Ricardo taken. You can see not
a publicly single mentioned a girlfriend on a live stream
but like a year ago and has never brought her
up again, so no one really knows. Fernando Alonso in
an odd territory where he's been linked to another F
(21:59):
one journalist, which is would be his second F one
journalist in a row that he would be dating. Strolls taken,
Charlotte Cross Are taken, Kevin and Nico were, Mary Rando
Norris another murky one where there's endless conspiracies about if
Lando is dating his ex hooking up with random people.
He's a guy in his mid twenty sewing his seeds
and as long as it's consensual and safe, then none
of my business, that's right, right. Lewis Hamilton publicly single
(22:23):
and Logan Sergeant publicly single, though again you kind of
hear rumors here and there, and he does follow a
lot of Instagram models and bikini models on social media.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
So end of public service announcement.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And another thing that found seemed to read enough is
when the drivers share that hobbies.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, I was wondering, what are some of their hobbies?
Do they have a life outside of just racing?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah? Lando picked up photography.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I guess that was fun for us, and so then
Daniel picked up photography because he doesn't like being left out.
Then it became everyone needs a jpeg account and it's like, no,
they don't, No, they don't. It's fine, they don't all
need to go get cameras and like figure it out.
I think Lando tried to be a DJ for a
minute or two Saturday.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
My DJ career has come to an end already.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
London.
Speaker 11 (23:06):
What's up about your license?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
By the way, why are you a sea license?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
And I don't think max Ley's the simulator, so I'm
not really sure what else he does.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Mike, I almost massively fucked up the last gain I
break so late. Well, we have some drivers who like
to flex their musical talent.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You have.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Charlotte Clear has put out some classical piano compositions that
are very moody. Ahead a friend who's a classical piano
officionado listen to them, and his response, his very southern response,
because he's from the South, was like, you know what,
he loves what he's doing and that's good for him.
So there was no compliment in that in that review.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And then of course we have so Lewis Hamilton, who
also dabbles the music when he's not jumping out for pain.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's cool. It's quite vulnerable for someone at this level
to like share another hobby. It's like when John Mayer
tried to do stand up comedy and everybody's like hating
on him immediately, and I'm like, what, it's a famous
person not allowed to try something different, you know. I
kind of like that they have the courage to do that.
That's just really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
This is very likable.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
We love telling people to stay in their legs. We
love telling politicians to not get involved in tech. We
love telling comedians to stay out music. We love telling
athletes to shut up in general. We love telling women
to just shut up and not talk yeah, and get
back in the kitchen. My god, if I had a
penny for every time someone tell me that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh God, and I apologize to you for that no do.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean, look, it's the reality in the boat. We love,
but it is fascinating that we love, love love telling
people to stay in their lanth.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm going to go deeper.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think we just our brains need to create patterns,
and I think we just it's it's easier for us
to identify people with labels. You go in the kitchen,
you go about It's just like, it's so complicated. We
just need to put it like here, here and here.
But it's a constant battle not to do that. I
find myself doing it all the time. I don't want
people to do that to me, and then I do it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, you know, we like patterns, We feel comfortable. Patterns,
don't scare up.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Patterns save our life for many reasons.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, if two of my family members got eaten by
a saber tooth tiger, I'm not going to hang with
saber to tigers. Okay, And that's why I'm here because
I'm a biological, evolutionary scientific expert. Let's keep moving, yo, high.
I remember last season we talked a little bit about
the driver's sense of fashion or lack thereof anything new
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in that arena.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
I think fashion is a way how these personalities they
show who they are. Lewis as we know him, he's
such a strong personality. Now, I think one of the
major reasons why I support him is because of the
way how he shows up for himself. I think that's
why he has one of the biggest fan base, at
least in the current times. It's because he shows who
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he is by wearing you know, all these clothes, my
collaborating with all these brands. That's how a lot of
fans are able to connect with him so rashly.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
For example, runs an immensely popular Sir Lewis Hamilton fan
account that is devoted entirely to Sir Hamilton's wardrobe. Specifically,
she tracks down every single item of clothing he is
publicly seen wearing.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Wow, it was out of personal interest, like I wanted
to know what he's wearing. So that's why I just
casually started posting about it. And now it's it's become
such a huge thing, Like everyone wants to know the
socks he's wearing, the hearings he's wearing.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
So is it a lot of like detective work You
have to sort of like find out who makes those songs?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Oh, yeah, oh yeah. I feel like I have to
search every corner of the internet. And it's such an
intense task during race weekends because I usually have like
a million messages waiting for me on Twitter and on
Instagram asking what he's wearing. As soon as he arrives,
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people are asking me like what is he wearing? I'm like,
give me a break, Like, give me, give me five
minutes to breathe. At least let me see what he's wearing.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
You're not getting a list from this.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I wish, I wish that would make my job so easy.
But what I would say is his stylist, Eric, he's
very very helpful, like he's a sweetheart. Uh, and whenever,
So whenever he's wearing something custom, right, I have to
ask him because if he's wearing custom is definitely not
available on the internet, and I cannot really you know,
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take something as a reference to search for what he's wearing. Sometimes,
I mean, the outfits are just recognizable, right, like, Okay,
this is this is the brand he's wearing. Can I
just go back to his stylist to just cross check
and ask if what sharing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You can recognize this? I wish hell not recognize like
I have no idea what that is. That is like
a red T shirt to me, I.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Think you have more drivers who are aware that that's
something that people pay attention to. I'd say one of
the biggest jumps we've seen has been George Russell really
leaning into his preppy British fashion thing. So Tommy Hill
Figure is a partner with Mercedes, but George has gone
beyond just that partnership of what he has to wear
for a race weekend by like contractual obligations with the team.
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So he's now a global ambassador. Interestingly, his girlfriend Carmen
Monterra Munt also signed on as a global Tommy Hill
Figure ambassador. He grew at his hair. He's trying to
do kind of like a I likened it to like
Hugh Grant in the nineties Slash first season, Chandler bing
on Friends, you know, rip Matthew Perry, but that sort
of hair, that's like what George Russell is doing right now.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Definitely Joe, So he's definitely the other personality I would
love to you know, post about because I think he's
still in those early stages where he's showing what he is.
He's definitely not very active as Lewis, But then he
mentioned that he styles himself, so I'm pretty sure he's
you know, more hands on with when it comes to fashion.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
But focusing on fashion is not only about recognizing and
calling out all those fancy, high end brands and designer outfits.
Sometimes what the drivers wear can actually hint at what's
going on with them emotionally. Nadie Herman, for example, has
been paying close attention to Charla Claire's trousers.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
He does wear what I call his depression pants. He'll
show up in these really gaudy, awful pants, which does
add a layer to the intrigue of Charlott Clair is
that he'll show up sometimes in these fashion ensembles, if
we want to call them that, where it's like, man,
this guy is going through something.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Wait, Linny, depression pants. Are they a very specific type
of pants or is it a vibe?
Speaker 8 (29:42):
It's a it's a category of pants. He has these
these these like he had those knitted white shorts when
when he wore them, I think everyone there was like
a collective scream that came through my phone on on Instagram,
everyone just yelling about these pants of the shorts. He
had these pair of this pair of like tied tied striped,
like like distressed blue and white pants that he wore
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this season, and the second they came out, I was like,
I need to know what happened behind the scenes, because
this man is not doing well. And then sure enough,
it was not a good weekend for Charol for many reasons,
but the pants were definitely the main contributor to me.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
You know, what Formula one drivers from a fashion standpoint
have going for them is that they're small time, so
they fit stew rack size. Yeah, exactly like I you know,
tall people. It always look like idiots and stuff. You know,
I put on a cardigan today and I said, you're
not allowed to go outside of the house in this.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You know, it's actually a great piece that came out
somewhere that said that not only did the drivers not
only are they skinny, but they have to stay the
exact same weight forout the whole year, which I never
thought about because I'm someone who's weight fluctorates about the
year each drivers have to stay on the exact same weight, I.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Would think that there's a potential for eating problems.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Yeah, big time. There's actually stuffle Van Dorn has talked
about getting an eating disorder from Formula one and being
worried about his weight, and obviously there are kind of
weight limits and other stuff they have now try and
prevent that. But you've had a lot of questions around
different drivers over the years. I know there was a
little bit of controversy last year or the year before
when Dana Ricardo posted a what I Eat in a
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day video or maybe his trainer posted it, and there
was a lot of Man, those are tiny portions for
like a professional athlete, you know. So yeah, it's a
constant issue, and it's one of those that f one
kind of sweeps under the rug or pretends isn't real.
On top of that, are our society in general, not
just American society or European society but everywhere really doesn't
know how to talk about male body image issues or
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disordered eating or eating disorders in men. So it all
kind of feeds into that where things that women do
we sort of note a flag, but the second men
do it, they sort of rebrand it, they call it
biohacking or stuff like that, and society kind of sweeps
it under the rug. I mean, you know a lot
of these protein shake, businesses, soilent and all that stuff.
You know, there's a lot of questions about how much
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of that is just kind of, you know, a general
supplemental thing, and how much of that could be contributing
to larger problems with how men view food and their parties.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
These drivers get weight after every time they come off
the track. Yeah, like that would be my work. Imagine
if we both got weight.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I was gonna ask you, is Yo Hi weighing you?
Because he's been weighing me after every episode. It's like,
is this necessary?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We're giving you the real formula one experience.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, okay, so fashion, sex, money. I mean it's got
to always be like contracts, Scott gossip and money.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
The money and the contracts tie into whose contract is
coming to an end? Who are we looking at? Which again,
if we think about the start of this conversation comes
into play, like who's always top of mind? There's a
reason that people always like where's Daniel going? What's his
because he's always out there as a marketing genius, always
top of mind? And he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
It goes hard on Daniel, but I stick by it.
But maybe, yeah, maybe it's a bit too hard on him.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But I think here's the other thing is he's put
himself so high that there's only one place for him
to go, which is down and especially and people are
looking so, yeah, he's top of mind, but people are
also like, oh, he's only P seven, Oh he's only
P eight. Log let's talk about this. Why why do
we keep talking about him?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
When I would watch Naimiel Sock and she'd be losing
in the second round and then they'd go to commercial
break and it'd be three different brands of her commercials,
and it would infuriate me because I would go, stop
with the not even her, your agent, your team, your coach,
tell her to stop with this other shit and focus
on this. This is just classic like couch fandom, you know,
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because I don't really know when, but yeah, he has
put himself there.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Another perfect example for those who don't know. Logan Surgeon's
family very famous in Republican Florida politics. His uncle was
implicated in an aspect of the Trump impeachment, and his
family has been taking each other to court for a
decade and a half. His dad was convicted of bribing
foreign officials to help his like cement business or something
(33:46):
like that again not saying Logan did anything with it,
but like family baggage, and there's been questions about his
politics that have come up that I think Williams has
sort of bobbed and weaved around, and Logan himself has
sort of tried to separate himself. There was an Instagram
caption at one point that created a lot of controversy. Again,
all the documents I pulled were all publicly available, like
court documents and old Palm Beach post reports and all
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this stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's why we love you, Lily, because it was publicly available,
but no one went to look at them.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
But yeah, so I will say his dad and uncle
had much to say about each other in the court
documents when they're talking about the bribery case. Like my god,
but yeah, I mean those court documents. Basically his uncle
tries to claim that Logan and his brother Dalton's motor
racing careers were funded by these like the bribery money.
That's essentially what his uncle alleges, I will say in
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the documents, amongst many other things. For a man who
says no few words, his family has said plenty of words.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, so Michael, we could go on for hours topic.
There are so many more scandals, interesting wives and girlfriends.
We haven't even covered bot Us as coffee side gig
nor his pageant for nudism. But I hope we did
get you a little taste of the witness of this topic.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, I mean you have, and you know typically I
don't like a little taste so close to the word nudism.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
To close us off, I do want to give the
last words to Hannah from the Fangirls podcast.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Seems fair.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I think being a fangirl is just having a deep
love of something. I think fangirls get a bad rap.
People don't give that the same credit or value. I
think if you're a sports fan, if you love let's
say American football, and you're a man that wears another
man's jersey and you yell and scream and spend all
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your money, that's very valid. That's considered normal. No one
bat deny. But if you're a girl that loves going
to concerts or going to Formula one races or whatever
it is, that's seen as you're crazy, you're insane, which.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I don't love.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Obviously, that stereotype is really frustrating to deal with. But
I think it's the same thing. I think ultimately it's
the same thing. It's having deep passion for what you
enjoy and really caring about what you love and not
being ashamed to talk about it. And I think there's
often been shame associated with being a fangirl. But I
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think the point of what we do and kind of
what we hope other people that feel the way about
this sport that we do, is you should shout your
love from the rooftops and not be ashamed to say
how you feel.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I love that. So, Michael, final thoughts on the gossip
fun is this you?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Perhaps it's definitely not me, but it's an important part
of all sport to keep us all nibbling at the
sport in these kind of quiet times when there's not
a race to talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I do feel like I need to come clean here.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That rumor that I told you about Max, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I made that up.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I know. I guess you could call it wishful thinking,
but I was just trying to manifes my thoughts onto
the world.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
How's that working for you?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fifty to fifty, Yeah, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I like that for you.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
You believe in in like a thought creates reality man
subscribing one.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I really believe in positive mental outlook and that's going
to be my answer. And you can interpret that any
way you want to take it as a no. I
just don't know if you can manifest something. But but yeah.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
I'm going to try to manifest the credits.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Okay, well, I'm going to quickly tell you what I
have in my office that's very different.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, I'm going to manifest the longer edit. What I
have is it says life is ten percent, what happens
to you in ninety percent?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
How you react to it?
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Now, let's manifest some fucking credits.
Speaker 10 (38:13):
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Speaker 3 (39:26):
So next week, on Choosing Sides F one, we're gonna
present the Speed Junkie.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yes, now we're getting into some shit. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Now, we're getting into the meatfone cars on doubted be
incredibly fast machines, but they can only go fasten the
hands of extremely capable and talented drivers, of whom they're
only a handful of the entire world. So next week
we're going to focus on the drivers. We're going to
try and understand what specific talents are needed to be
a Formula one racer, and we're definitely, absolutely certainly going
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to settle once and for all who is the goat
of Formula One.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Okay, bit ready, I'm ready. Let's do the speed. Won't
turn back and we won't go around, and we won't slow.
I can't believe we haven't done speed yet.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
H
Tension increases as the seven top knitters in the land
prepare their needles for combat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So, Tony, Michael, do you know what I heard?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I have a feeling you're about to tell me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
On this final judgment day Speed and Accuracy in following
eight separate patents.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I have an on good authority that Max Verstaffan is
planning on retiring and devoting all of his time to
competitive crochet.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
New South Wales wool Knit Off champion Missus Green has
been knitting for over fifty years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Interesting this year.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
A surprising new Challenger X racing driver from Holland and
mister Max fust Tarpan had an early start at the
age of four.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And you know I'm going to ask this, but who
are your sources?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I can't. I can't tell you that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Let's just say it gossip.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
It's it.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Go for My Heart podcast one on one Studios and
Sports Illustrated Studios.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
This is choosing sides one. Wow. Wow, Michael. Yes, I
have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I thought questions were my job and your job was
the answers.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We're shaking it up. Do you think we can have
sports and athletes without that entertainment factor like our sports
just a form of entertainment or should sports be put
in their own category of human activity? Can we separate
the two.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I love that question because that question immediately identifies that
sport is entertainment. You know, lots of times I think
fans forget that sport is entertainment. First, we're selling tickets, yep,
so that is very important, but should have been a
separate category.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I like this idea. I like this idea.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's one I think that's come up a lot, especially
in the Formula one world, where for some reason people
seem to think that if one used to be just
about sports, and I think they forget the genesis of Formula.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
One, but I mean just about sports, not about entertainment.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It was which you know, again it was started with amateurs,
so they were hardly the greatest, biggest athletes. I think
the average age on the grid, you know, back in
the fifties was probably forty or fifty year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Old, right.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But it came out because there was a great piece
that was written by It is of a blackstock where
she highlights the fact and I think you'll appreciate this,
but she highlights the fact that the Formula one owners
I Liberty Media are currently stuck marketing a sport when
they were actually sold entertainment.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
That is a big difference. You know, those are two
very different things. Look, if you're asking me, which sounds
like you are, I don't need a T shirt, gun,
I don't need a dance squad. I mean, the halftime
show is fine, but I'm here to watch the event.
I'm here to watch the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I'm actually here to convince you otherwise.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Of course you are, Tony, that you are.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
In fact missing out on a huge element of what
if one actually has to offer. And to help me out,
we have assembled an amazing team of super fans and experts.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know, Tony never just gives you her opinion. She
gives your opinion, and then she hassembles all this evidence
to sway you.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I assemble the A team.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
So I am Rashi. Everyone in the entire world probably
knows me as my Instagram page name, which is amazing. Lou.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
So I'm Hannah. I am one half of the Fan
Behavior podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I am Zoe.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I am the other half of fan Behavior, and our
goal is really just to bring people together, fangirls, fanboys, really,
whoever you are.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And this next voice you might find familiar.
Speaker 8 (03:30):
I'm considering getting two fish in twenty twenty four, and
I'm gonna name them Lewis Hamilfin and then Adrian Bowie.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's a voice. I recognize those puns. I recognize those puns.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Lilly Herman, writer editor by trade. In the context of
F one, I did co host season one of Choosing
Sides F one, so I am very familiar with everyone.
I'm here to be a menace to Yohai and then
elsewhere in F one. I am the creator of the
F one culture newsletter Engine Fail.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What would you say fans are missing out if they
only watch the race, Like, do you actually understand formula one?
If you do is tune in for the race and
then tune out.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
It's almost like going from a two D looking at
a two D shape like a circle into a three
D sphere right, or like a square into a cube.
Like you just see more dimensions, more layers, more pandemonium,
more tension, more stakes. They all exist the more you
know about the sport.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I love a story.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I love like watching a story.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
I feel much more invested in something if I understand
how we got here and where it came from.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
Look at Alpine for instance. Obviously you might say, ah,
a French team with two French drivers. That seems a
little emotional and dramatic to begin with. But then if
you know that Pierre Gasley and Estabonocon have had this
weird tension friction rivalry going back to their teen years
and they had some massive falling out after having been
friends for many years, that adds a layer. And then
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if you had the extra layer of Ralph Schumacher going
on a you know, a network program in a different
country and claiming it's it's because one stole the other's
girlfriend when they were fourteen, Like that's nuts, That is
absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 9 (05:12):
Yeah, wait, what the fuck you what it's second anyway, Yeah,
we're just consident off.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Please serious, you're saying serious?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I thought.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
But then you yeah, you watch them on the racetrack
and of course you know there's times where like Pierre
does something to Esteban Estmon makes a comment over the radio.
You better understand it's not just about oh, it's my teammate,
my competitor, you know that dynamic, it's these guys have
a lifetime of history together, had very different upbringings have
been competing together since they were literal children, and now
they're on the same team, and they both everyone speaks French.
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They're just cursing each other out and in multiple languages,
and I'm having.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I probably have older you know, Okay, boomer beliefs on
this topic. Okay, I think talent and performance should be
the top deciding factory. But I'm a comedian who values
and prides myself on being funny, but have struggled with
the marketing, you know, in my own opinion, struggle with
(06:22):
the marketing side of this shit. And then you see
younger comics who are so good at marketing, and I'm like,
they can't even tell a joke. So I'm coming at
it from like Grandpa's mad. Yeah, you know, so I'm
very fully aware of that. I do think Lebron James
Michael Jordan was fully aware of the marketing but was
such a complicated person. Lebron James came on the scene
(06:42):
and it's just as like, holy shit, he's not only
the best player, but also is the best marketing. Is
also fully branded at an early age. So what was
your question?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My question was, do you are you in this day
and age, and you kind of answered it. My question was,
in this day and age, do you think it is
fair that we expect these athletes to be top of
their game, the best in their industry, also incredibly marketable presence,
have a great presence on social media, be willing to
do all the press conferences, be willing to do the
late night show. I'm curious for both of you if
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there was a particular moment where you're like, oh, this
is it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I'm hooked the second that Daniel Ricardo came on screen. Honestly,
same for me. I often lovingly for too. Daniel as
the gateway drug. I think there's so many people, countless
people that really have Danie Ricardo to credit for why
they are f one fans or or why they initially
became Formula one fans.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It was right away when he said that he was
Danie Riccardo and he was a car mechanic.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I was invested. Forgive my ignorance, has he won anything?
But I mean, I like the guy I'm Adam the
Daily Show very not no, but I just like where
it's not cool to me when the marketing is so
far ahead of the performance.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But maybe that has helped him stay in the game
more so than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I was going to say the same thing, Yeah, it's smart,
stay alive.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I will never not root for him because he was
the first person that I connected with, and in some
weird way, I feel like I owe him, like he
is the reason that I'm here doing this, and so
I feel like he deserves that from me because I
almost it's almost like a thank you to him, like
I will never not cheer for you because I'm so
grateful to you for getting me in this position, which
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is what I would tell him if I ever met him.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think they're always gonna go for this. The brands
behind the drivers are always going to try to get
this because this is the sweet spot with the most
amount of money and the most amount of But they
all can't do it. And they all cannot do it.
It's gonna backfire, it's gonna be problematic at times, and
it's gonna feel clunky, and thanks to money and fame,
(08:43):
I felt I was entitled. Look at Tiger woods Man.
You know, they created this, he had the talent, they
created the story, everything was perfect, and it was a
fucking disaster. I mean now, it's a disaster. The guy
is like a pussy hound who can't stay off pain
meds and crash his car every six months.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You can quote me on all that.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's insane. It's like, is that really good for golf?
I brought this shame on myself. I hurt my wife,
my kids.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
We like putting people on pedestals so hard and then
bring yeah, yeah, that we can't. But I think so
here's the thing. I know you're not the biggest fan
of Maxistappen, but I do think when we have this conversation,
Maxistappen is a perfect example of someone who has sheer talent, dedication,
shows up, does the job, does not care about anything else.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Everyone will agree. I think his fans would agree, and
that's what they love about him. He's there to race,
he's rough around the edges. When he's done racing, he's
probably gonna jet off and we're not gonna hear fro
him that often until he shows up to race for
something else or what have you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But that also means that the media narrative is not
in his control, in his hands, and he's been painted
as a villain.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I love that he doesn't do that bullshit.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I love that he wins the races and says that's
what's This is how I'm communicating to you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
That's a Jimmy Conners vibe in tennis. Oh you think
I'm an asshole? I just won the tournament.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's over. It does I don't even have to do
an interview. I can do what I want.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love that. And if you know when that works.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
When you win, When he.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Starts placing six over and over again, the brands, the
sponsors are going to say, like, you gotta do this podcast,
you gotta do the thing you know?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So would I don't stick around?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, they don't stick around. Yeah, and that's okay too.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I think he is an incredible driver, but I don't
have that level of Oh I feel a kinship or
a connection or I'm searching for your content.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
See you off the track. Whereas a driver like Yuki Sonoda.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yuki, how many eight year olds would it take to
beat you in a fight?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Oh, eight years is quite good, age seven.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I could watch Yuki content all day, every day. Give
me more of it.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
You could only use one curse word for the rest
of your life.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
What would it be?
Speaker 10 (10:42):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Everyone loves him, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the fact that he's so likable
off track, and I think anyone that says they don't
allow the driver off track personality to influence how they
feel about the driver on track, I think is lying
because how can you not?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What are the rumors in gossip F one? Right now?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Where do you even start?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I feel like, let's start with sex.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You know what, That's the perfect cliff to hang an
at break.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
On short break, folks, we'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And we're back Cossa, you asked about the gossip. I'm
actually gonna let the Queen of salaciousness feel this one herself.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
There's been something that I have dubbed wagaged in where
most of the drivers dumped their long term girlfriends in
the same like four to six months span, and all
almost all of them got new girlfriends. And why that
matters is that there's been this enormous turnover in a
lot of the ways F one culture works, be it
people keeping track of what these various significant others are
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wearing to the track or they you know, certain significant
others used to post photos and videos of the drivers
and obviously, now they're off the grid, some of those
ex partners are posting some kind of shady TikTok videos
and Instagram posts that are kind of fun and intriguing
to follow. But again, it's kind of a case of
when you follow that stuff, you do get a more interesting,
(12:07):
colorful picture of what's going on. But yeah, Waggageddon is
my big one.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Wagga geddon All right, give us the juice who broke
up with him?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
Okay, it all kicked off, I would say, even last September,
Lando Norris put out this weird statement about him and
his girlfriend Luisa breaking up, and then he deleted it
minutes later, so everyone's like, what is going on with this?
But they broke up and she dealt with a ton
of cyber bullying just for being Lando Norris's girlfriend, not
for any particular reason. You then had charl and his
then girlfriend Charlotte break up and put out identical Instagram
(12:39):
statements you had here, ghastly sort of, he broke up
with a different girl. Rest of on Ocan broke up
with his girlfriend Elena Carlos, who was with his girlfriend
Lisa for like six seven years. They broke up and
he got a new girlfriend if you want drama with
in drama, Carlos signs his new girlfriend Rebecca Donaldson. I
want to say she's a Scottish model. Her big claim
to fame or one of her other ones is that
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she dated Scott Disick aka Courtney Kardashians X, whom she
has three kids with, for a short period of time.
And Rebecca Donaldson went to the Kardashian Hulu show premiere
and that was like a mini plot point, was like,
who's this mysterious woman that Scott Dissick brought to our premiere?
And it was Rebecca Donaldson, Carlo's lines girlfriend. The layers
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the Kardashian. All roads lead to the Kardashians, is what
we're learning from this, from this experience is so the
Kardashians have infiltrated f one inadvertently.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The way my brain works, I get so overwhelmed by
the amount of rumors coming out that I just kind
of block them all out. Which is why I love
things like Well Lily's newsletter because she tells me exactly
just the things that I need to know in that space.
It exactly great read.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean, I don't know what the hell's going on
and I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You go, I get the load down. So she's she's
you know, she's the queen when it comes to actually
not just giving us the rumors, but telling us how
it fits into the board a spectrum.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Can I give you a little, a little insight into
my brain?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Like when I'm watching a sport and they cut to
the section of wives and girlfriends, why because I like
seeing how beautiful these women are.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know, that's it?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's it. I told you it
was okay. No, I mean it's always well, no, there's
a lot of reasons. But of course it's fun to
just see the section of beautiful women. But I always
feel like there's tension between them too. Yes, yeah, I
love that part. Like at a soccer team when they
cut to the section and it's like, why didn't you
pass them?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That's not a trope of history. We love to pay
women against each other.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Of course, and I'm an advocate of history.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Or Michael just canceled.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Himself once again, Michael Costa cancels himself. But I mean,
you know what, I've also learned that if i'm thinking it,
I'm not the only one. So let's talk, Tony.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's talk.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
We are fans of these drivers, We are curious about
their lives. That comes with who they're married to, who
they're dating. But I also don't think it's necessarily fair
that they like get put under this microscope when they're
not necessarily posting about their boyfriend. So to me, the
girlfriends that I feel like really resonate with myself, and
(15:08):
I think Zoe would feel similarly is Carmen, who's dating
George Russell, and Lily, who is dating Alex Albert.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
She's brilliant, by the way, she's a pro golfer too.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Oh okay, much different speeds, very different speeds.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
They're a duo that clearly don't like social but I'm
very good at.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It's always annoying when somebody's good at it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Two, she did the BTS footage of him trying to
do a campaign on TikTok for Seavey moisturizing, and it
was such a smart move to showcase how idiotic we
all look trying to do these TikTok videos, and she's
just in hysterics, and you're just like, that's actually cute,
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because we shouldn't take all of this to your point,
this is sports. We should always take everything seriously.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I also find it interesting the wives and girlfriends that
have taken their platform and used it to then pursue
other things outside of being the partner of a Formula
One driver, whether that's brand deals, working with sponsors. People
have different feelings on that. I think some people feel
like you shouldn't use your relationship to make money. Other
(16:17):
people think why not you have this great platform. I
don't really have an opinion on that. I just think
it's an interesting thing to navigate.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Do you know who Morgan Riddle is?
Speaker 11 (16:25):
So? Morgan Riddle is dating Taylor Fritz. Taylor Fritz is
a very well known and famous American tennis player. There's
also a show now on Netflix called Breakpoint. Breakpoint is
to Tennis, What drive to survive?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Everyone's trying and they're all going to fail. That can
be a whole other season on that. But what's interesting
is this whole piece was about her role in tennis,
not from within the bubble, not pretending to be a
tennis expert, but from actually the position where she sits,
and she is a lifestyle and fashion influencer and Wimbledon
(16:59):
did some think really incredible, which is Wimbledon decided, Hey,
you are good looking, you're great with fashion, you're great
on camera. You've got your whole audience, and we are
noticing that. Little girls and little boys come up to
you and go, you're the reason I'm in tennis. And
she doesn't pretend she's like I barely interested in matches.
I look at them because my boyfriend is playing, and
(17:19):
so that got me interested. So I'm not going to
pretend I'm something I'm not. But I do love getting
ready for a tennis match. I do love putting time
and effort into the outfits I pick. And when she
was at Wimbledon, she did that as well, and so
Wimbledon what they did was give her a fashion segment.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Tell me what inspired Alvidz say, mine's a combination of
Preppe modern and I think the outfit was also inspired
by Sean Mendes.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, che genius call threads. It's on YouTube. It's actually
pretty popular.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And there I should jump in quickly. No sport cuts
to the wife or player box more than tennis.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I mean almost after every point constantly.
Speaker 12 (17:59):
Said in there, you pointed to your people up there
and said, I told you, what did you tell them?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
My girlfriend thought I was too too confident going on.
She was getting an incredible and just always does the
box always does an incredible amount of camera close.
Speaker 12 (18:18):
Organ up there said if Tyler wins again, I'm gonna
eat a jar of veggiemight.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
On Instagram Live.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The reason I had a moment of Oh, we're in
trouble in Formula one when Wimbledon, one of the most
archaic sports out there, is beating us in terms of
getting creative and utilizing the wives and the girlfriends and
treating them like ambassadors with an actual role in this
industry to actually tap into brand new audiences. And that's
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what I mean where it's like I might not follow
the gossip, but these women, the way they dress, what
they stand for, the work that they do, are bringing
in a whole new court of fans of the sport
that might not just be in for it for the
tech or the speed, but they're just like, I love
what this sport represents. I love that it's a traveling circus.
I love the fashion, I love the glitz, I love
the glamor, and is nothing wrong about that? So anyway,
(19:11):
I had this moment of oh crap, we're in trouble
when tennis is beating us to the punch.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Here, I's love for five hours last night, which like,
if you guys know my sleep, I'm like a ten
to twelve hour kind of gal.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
To your point about Morgan, yeah, I might get in
trouble for saying this. It's probably stupid for me to
say it that.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Maybe don't Tony, Tony, Tony.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
My favorite part of Taylor Fritz's tennis is Morgan. You know,
I just he bums me out so many times with attitude, effort, result. Yeah,
and she's this breath of fresh air in his tennis world.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The thing that I love about her is she gives
the middle finger to anyone who's like, why the hell
is she even there? She doesn't care about ten and
she's like, bring it on. This is great for social clouts.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm not gonna lie to you guys.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I do take melatonin drug myself with Zequel.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'll take some gummies.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
Knock myself out.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
I just wanted to make one sort of introduce, one
sort of thought or claim here. Every form of entertainment
needs to be something else other than just entertainment. And
showing people at a good time. It has to include
some kind of other function for it to be a value. Example, comedy,
I think comedy is basically a form of popularizing philosophy
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and how you think about life. Also, it helps people
talk and think about very difficult issues and break taboos.
And I think sports role in society and f one
as part of that, is in a way to subdue
a lot of our inherent violence, both as individuals and society.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
This is the smartest thing you ever said to me.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
Yeah, and just sort of like create a place where
you can be incredibly competitive and destructive and violent and
then turn around and just shake hands and walk home
as friends.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
This is why commentators don't do this anymore, thankfully. But
there used to be so much, so much war terminology
used in football too, you know, get the troops together
on the trenches. And this is very common because it
does tie into this life or death feeling. But the
reason I hate when they do that is it's like,
this isn't real stakes, this is Goofy's are kidding right now.
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But I like this, and I like analyzing what each
sport really is providing for us on a much deeper
level interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The following is a public service announcement joke.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
One you publicly single again, I mightna say keep saying
publicly single, because you know, we don't know what there's
certain shanigans I don't need to know about how your
body is taken and Ricardo taken. You can see not
a publicly single mentioned a girlfriend on a live stream
but like a year ago and has never brought her
up again, so no one really knows. Fernando Alonso in
an odd territory where he's been linked to another F
(21:59):
one journalist, which is would be his second F one
journalist in a row that he would be dating. Strolls taken,
Charlotte Cross Are taken, Kevin and Nico were, Mary Rando
Norris another murky one where there's endless conspiracies about if
Lando is dating his ex hooking up with random people.
He's a guy in his mid twenty sewing his seeds
and as long as it's consensual and safe, then none
of my business, that's right, right. Lewis Hamilton publicly single
(22:23):
and Logan Sergeant publicly single, though again you kind of
hear rumors here and there, and he does follow a
lot of Instagram models and bikini models on social media.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
So end of public service announcement.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And another thing that found seemed to read enough is
when the drivers share that hobbies.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, I was wondering, what are some of their hobbies?
Do they have a life outside of just racing?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah? Lando picked up photography.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I guess that was fun for us, and so then
Daniel picked up photography because he doesn't like being left out.
Then it became everyone needs a jpeg account and it's like, no,
they don't, No, they don't. It's fine, they don't all
need to go get cameras and like figure it out.
I think Lando tried to be a DJ for a
minute or two Saturday.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
My DJ career has come to an end already.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
London.
Speaker 11 (23:06):
What's up about your license?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
By the way, why are you a sea license?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
And I don't think max Ley's the simulator, so I'm
not really sure what else he does.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Mike, I almost massively fucked up the last gain I
break so late. Well, we have some drivers who like
to flex their musical talent.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You have.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Charlotte Clear has put out some classical piano compositions that
are very moody. Ahead a friend who's a classical piano
officionado listen to them, and his response, his very southern response,
because he's from the South, was like, you know what,
he loves what he's doing and that's good for him.
So there was no compliment in that in that review.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And then of course we have so Lewis Hamilton, who
also dabbles the music when he's not jumping out for pain.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's cool. It's quite vulnerable for someone at this level
to like share another hobby. It's like when John Mayer
tried to do stand up comedy and everybody's like hating
on him immediately, and I'm like, what, it's a famous
person not allowed to try something different, you know. I
kind of like that they have the courage to do that.
That's just really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
This is very likable.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
We love telling people to stay in their legs. We
love telling politicians to not get involved in tech. We
love telling comedians to stay out music. We love telling
athletes to shut up in general. We love telling women
to just shut up and not talk yeah, and get
back in the kitchen. My god, if I had a
penny for every time someone tell me that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh God, and I apologize to you for that no do.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean, look, it's the reality in the boat. We love,
but it is fascinating that we love, love love telling
people to stay in their lanth.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm going to go deeper.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think we just our brains need to create patterns,
and I think we just it's it's easier for us
to identify people with labels. You go in the kitchen,
you go about It's just like, it's so complicated. We
just need to put it like here, here and here.
But it's a constant battle not to do that. I
find myself doing it all the time. I don't want
people to do that to me, and then I do it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, you know, we like patterns, We feel comfortable. Patterns,
don't scare up.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Patterns save our life for many reasons.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, if two of my family members got eaten by
a saber tooth tiger, I'm not going to hang with
saber to tigers. Okay, And that's why I'm here because
I'm a biological, evolutionary scientific expert. Let's keep moving, yo, high.
I remember last season we talked a little bit about
the driver's sense of fashion or lack thereof anything new
(25:35):
in that arena.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
I think fashion is a way how these personalities they
show who they are. Lewis as we know him, he's
such a strong personality. Now, I think one of the
major reasons why I support him is because of the
way how he shows up for himself. I think that's
why he has one of the biggest fan base, at
least in the current times. It's because he shows who
(25:58):
he is by wearing you know, all these clothes, my
collaborating with all these brands. That's how a lot of
fans are able to connect with him so rashly.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
For example, runs an immensely popular Sir Lewis Hamilton fan
account that is devoted entirely to Sir Hamilton's wardrobe. Specifically,
she tracks down every single item of clothing he is
publicly seen wearing.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Wow, it was out of personal interest, like I wanted
to know what he's wearing. So that's why I just
casually started posting about it. And now it's it's become
such a huge thing, Like everyone wants to know the
socks he's wearing, the hearings he's wearing.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
So is it a lot of like detective work You
have to sort of like find out who makes those songs?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Oh, yeah, oh yeah. I feel like I have to
search every corner of the internet. And it's such an
intense task during race weekends because I usually have like
a million messages waiting for me on Twitter and on
Instagram asking what he's wearing. As soon as he arrives,
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people are asking me like what is he wearing? I'm like,
give me a break, Like, give me, give me five
minutes to breathe. At least let me see what he's wearing.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
You're not getting a list from this.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I wish, I wish that would make my job so easy.
But what I would say is his stylist, Eric, he's
very very helpful, like he's a sweetheart. Uh, and whenever,
So whenever he's wearing something custom, right, I have to
ask him because if he's wearing custom is definitely not
available on the internet, and I cannot really you know,
(27:35):
take something as a reference to search for what he's wearing. Sometimes,
I mean, the outfits are just recognizable, right, like, Okay,
this is this is the brand he's wearing. Can I
just go back to his stylist to just cross check
and ask if what sharing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You can recognize this? I wish hell not recognize like
I have no idea what that is. That is like
a red T shirt to me, I.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Think you have more drivers who are aware that that's
something that people pay attention to. I'd say one of
the biggest jumps we've seen has been George Russell really
leaning into his preppy British fashion thing. So Tommy Hill
Figure is a partner with Mercedes, but George has gone
beyond just that partnership of what he has to wear
for a race weekend by like contractual obligations with the team.
(28:19):
So he's now a global ambassador. Interestingly, his girlfriend Carmen
Monterra Munt also signed on as a global Tommy Hill
Figure ambassador. He grew at his hair. He's trying to
do kind of like a I likened it to like
Hugh Grant in the nineties Slash first season, Chandler bing
on Friends, you know, rip Matthew Perry, but that sort
of hair, that's like what George Russell is doing right now.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Definitely Joe, So he's definitely the other personality I would
love to you know, post about because I think he's
still in those early stages where he's showing what he is.
He's definitely not very active as Lewis, But then he
mentioned that he styles himself, so I'm pretty sure he's
you know, more hands on with when it comes to fashion.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
But focusing on fashion is not only about recognizing and
calling out all those fancy, high end brands and designer outfits.
Sometimes what the drivers wear can actually hint at what's
going on with them emotionally. Nadie Herman, for example, has
been paying close attention to Charla Claire's trousers.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
He does wear what I call his depression pants. He'll
show up in these really gaudy, awful pants, which does
add a layer to the intrigue of Charlott Clair is
that he'll show up sometimes in these fashion ensembles, if
we want to call them that, where it's like, man,
this guy is going through something.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Wait, Linny, depression pants. Are they a very specific type
of pants or is it a vibe?
Speaker 8 (29:42):
It's a it's a category of pants. He has these
these these like he had those knitted white shorts when
when he wore them, I think everyone there was like
a collective scream that came through my phone on on Instagram,
everyone just yelling about these pants of the shorts. He
had these pair of this pair of like tied tied striped,
like like distressed blue and white pants that he wore
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this season, and the second they came out, I was like,
I need to know what happened behind the scenes, because
this man is not doing well. And then sure enough,
it was not a good weekend for Charol for many reasons,
but the pants were definitely the main contributor to me.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
You know, what Formula one drivers from a fashion standpoint
have going for them is that they're small time, so
they fit stew rack size. Yeah, exactly like I you know,
tall people. It always look like idiots and stuff. You know,
I put on a cardigan today and I said, you're
not allowed to go outside of the house in this.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You know, it's actually a great piece that came out
somewhere that said that not only did the drivers not
only are they skinny, but they have to stay the
exact same weight forout the whole year, which I never
thought about because I'm someone who's weight fluctorates about the
year each drivers have to stay on the exact same weight, I.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Would think that there's a potential for eating problems.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Yeah, big time. There's actually stuffle Van Dorn has talked
about getting an eating disorder from Formula one and being
worried about his weight, and obviously there are kind of
weight limits and other stuff they have now try and
prevent that. But you've had a lot of questions around
different drivers over the years. I know there was a
little bit of controversy last year or the year before
when Dana Ricardo posted a what I Eat in a
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day video or maybe his trainer posted it, and there
was a lot of Man, those are tiny portions for
like a professional athlete, you know. So yeah, it's a
constant issue, and it's one of those that f one
kind of sweeps under the rug or pretends isn't real.
On top of that, are our society in general, not
just American society or European society but everywhere really doesn't
know how to talk about male body image issues or
(31:32):
disordered eating or eating disorders in men. So it all
kind of feeds into that where things that women do
we sort of note a flag, but the second men
do it, they sort of rebrand it, they call it
biohacking or stuff like that, and society kind of sweeps
it under the rug. I mean, you know a lot
of these protein shake, businesses, soilent and all that stuff.
You know, there's a lot of questions about how much
(31:52):
of that is just kind of, you know, a general
supplemental thing, and how much of that could be contributing
to larger problems with how men view food and their parties.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
These drivers get weight after every time they come off
the track. Yeah, like that would be my work. Imagine
if we both got weight.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I was gonna ask you, is Yo Hi weighing you?
Because he's been weighing me after every episode. It's like,
is this necessary?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We're giving you the real formula one experience.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, okay, so fashion, sex, money. I mean it's got
to always be like contracts, Scott gossip and money.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
The money and the contracts tie into whose contract is
coming to an end? Who are we looking at? Which again,
if we think about the start of this conversation comes
into play, like who's always top of mind? There's a
reason that people always like where's Daniel going? What's his
because he's always out there as a marketing genius, always
top of mind? And he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
It goes hard on Daniel, but I stick by it.
But maybe, yeah, maybe it's a bit too hard on him.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But I think here's the other thing is he's put
himself so high that there's only one place for him
to go, which is down and especially and people are
looking so, yeah, he's top of mind, but people are
also like, oh, he's only P seven, Oh he's only
P eight. Log let's talk about this. Why why do
we keep talking about him?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
When I would watch Naimiel Sock and she'd be losing
in the second round and then they'd go to commercial
break and it'd be three different brands of her commercials,
and it would infuriate me because I would go, stop
with the not even her, your agent, your team, your coach,
tell her to stop with this other shit and focus
on this. This is just classic like couch fandom, you know,
(33:19):
because I don't really know when, but yeah, he has
put himself there.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Another perfect example for those who don't know. Logan Surgeon's
family very famous in Republican Florida politics. His uncle was
implicated in an aspect of the Trump impeachment, and his
family has been taking each other to court for a
decade and a half. His dad was convicted of bribing
foreign officials to help his like cement business or something
(33:46):
like that again not saying Logan did anything with it,
but like family baggage, and there's been questions about his
politics that have come up that I think Williams has
sort of bobbed and weaved around, and Logan himself has
sort of tried to separate himself. There was an Instagram
caption at one point that created a lot of controversy. Again,
all the documents I pulled were all publicly available, like
court documents and old Palm Beach post reports and all
(34:07):
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's why we love you, Lily, because it was publicly available,
but no one went to look at them.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
But yeah, so I will say his dad and uncle
had much to say about each other in the court
documents when they're talking about the bribery case. Like my god,
but yeah, I mean those court documents. Basically his uncle
tries to claim that Logan and his brother Dalton's motor
racing careers were funded by these like the bribery money.
That's essentially what his uncle alleges, I will say in
(34:35):
the documents, amongst many other things. For a man who
says no few words, his family has said plenty of words.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, so Michael, we could go on for hours topic.
There are so many more scandals, interesting wives and girlfriends.
We haven't even covered bot Us as coffee side gig
nor his pageant for nudism. But I hope we did
get you a little taste of the witness of this topic.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, I mean you have, and you know typically I
don't like a little taste so close to the word nudism.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
To close us off, I do want to give the
last words to Hannah from the Fangirls podcast.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Seems fair.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I think being a fangirl is just having a deep
love of something. I think fangirls get a bad rap.
People don't give that the same credit or value. I
think if you're a sports fan, if you love let's
say American football, and you're a man that wears another
man's jersey and you yell and scream and spend all
(35:38):
your money, that's very valid. That's considered normal. No one
bat deny. But if you're a girl that loves going
to concerts or going to Formula one races or whatever
it is, that's seen as you're crazy, you're insane, which.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I don't love.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Obviously, that stereotype is really frustrating to deal with. But
I think it's the same thing. I think ultimately it's
the same thing. It's having deep passion for what you
enjoy and really caring about what you love and not
being ashamed to talk about it. And I think there's
often been shame associated with being a fangirl. But I
(36:17):
think the point of what we do and kind of
what we hope other people that feel the way about
this sport that we do, is you should shout your
love from the rooftops and not be ashamed to say
how you feel.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I love that. So, Michael, final thoughts on the gossip
fun is this you?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Perhaps it's definitely not me, but it's an important part
of all sport to keep us all nibbling at the
sport in these kind of quiet times when there's not
a race to talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I do feel like I need to come clean here.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That rumor that I told you about Max, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I made that up.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I know. I guess you could call it wishful thinking,
but I was just trying to manifes my thoughts onto
the world.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
How's that working for you?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fifty to fifty, Yeah, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I like that for you.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
You believe in in like a thought creates reality man
subscribing one.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I really believe in positive mental outlook and that's going
to be my answer. And you can interpret that any
way you want to take it as a no. I
just don't know if you can manifest something. But but yeah.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
I'm going to try to manifest the credits.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Okay, well, I'm going to quickly tell you what I
have in my office that's very different.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, I'm going to manifest the longer edit. What I
have is it says life is ten percent, what happens
to you in ninety percent?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
How you react to it?
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Now, let's manifest some fucking credits.
Speaker 10 (38:13):
This has been Choosing Signs F one, a production of
Sports Illustrated Studios, iHeart podcast and one oh one Studio Podcasts.
The show is hosted by Michael Costa and Tony Cowan Brown.
This episode was edited, scored, and sound designed by Senior
producer Jojai may Thaddle. Scott Stone is the executive producer
(38:38):
and head of audio, and Daniel Wexman is Director of
podcast Development and production Manager at one O one Studios.
At iHeart Podcasts, Sean Tyitne is our executive producer and
a special Thank you to Michelle Newman, David Glasser, and
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Speaker 3 (39:26):
So next week, on Choosing Sides F one, we're gonna
present the Speed Junkie.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yes, now we're getting into some shit. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Now, we're getting into the meatfone cars on doubted be
incredibly fast machines, but they can only go fasten the
hands of extremely capable and talented drivers, of whom they're
only a handful of the entire world. So next week
we're going to focus on the drivers. We're going to
try and understand what specific talents are needed to be
a Formula one racer, and we're definitely, absolutely certainly going
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to settle once and for all who is the goat
of Formula One.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Okay, bit ready, I'm ready. Let's do the speed. Won't
turn back and we won't go around, and we won't slow.
I can't believe we haven't done speed yet.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
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