August 3, 2024 • 22 mins
In the second part of the show, we discuss how some Black content creators are on the attack when discussing Kamala Harris. We examine her record through the lens of Black Americans to determine if any of the negative things circling her campaign are well-founded.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast
the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop
Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host,
Ramsy's job.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That is my brother Ramsey's jah. I am his brother
q Ward and you are our brothers and sisters listening
to Civic Cipher and we love that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We appreciate it, and we hope that you didn't miss
the first part of the show. But if you did,
hit Civiccipher dot com. You need that because it definitely
goes with the second part of the show. Today we
are discussing the attacks on Kamala Harris. The first part
of the show, of course, the attacks from the right,
and this part of the show, we want you to
stick around because we are going to be discussing the
black attack on Kamala Harris. You may have encountered some
(00:40):
stuff online that seems like it's casting her in a
bad light, or she's like this awful person who's done
all these awful things black people, or has never been
present or is not black or whatever. We're gonna talk
about all that today because we kind of have to.
There's a lot at stake and it's really easy to
get caught up in the algorithms and not do any research.
So we've done the research for you. All you got
to do is sit back, relax and listen. But before
we get there, it is time to discuss ba ba
(01:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
It over so one time. From Mesa, Arizona, the Republican
mayor of the City of Mesa, Arizona, John Giles, has
announced he is endorsing Kamala Harris for president. Our party
used to stand for the belief that every Arizonian, no
matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity,
and security to live out their American dream, Giles said,
(01:39):
But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of
the twenty twenty election, Republicans have yet to course correct.
The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down
the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our
fundamental freedoms. In the spirit of the late Senator John
McCain's motto, country First, I called on other Arizona Republicans
(02:02):
to join me in choosing country over party this election
and to vote against Donald Trump end quote.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So that takes a lot of courage and a lot
of bravery, and especially in Arizon publican white man in Arizona,
but we wanted to shout him out, and of course
we're on the radio in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So our hope is that this makes its way.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
To him, because no matter what we do, share this country,
and you know, folks that are objectively able.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
To also damn in that. Shout out to white dudes
for Harris. They did great work, raised four million dollars.
Fox panel Jesse Water said, I heard the scientists say
the other day that when a man votes for a woman,
he actually transitions into a woman. A supposedly respected broadcast
(02:51):
journalist said this on Fox unchecked with women present.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's the wildest timeline that we live in, man. But yeah,
shout out to white dudes for Harris and John Kyles
all right, back to the lecture at hand. To quote
the illustrious, the most famous rapper in the world' snood.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Dog, the philosopher, the great philosopher brought us talk to him.
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So a lot of people are really happy about Kamala
Harris's presidency. It has absolutely infused the Democrat Party with energy.
We've seen it on the ground. There's been just new energy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But black people, I could say this because I'm real black,
ban to black, the blackest person you ever met.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
With navy black. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Black people, man, we're like, we're like kick puppies sometimes.
What I mean when I say that, please, oh yeah, yeah,
I got it. What I mean is like we fear
that everybody is out to get us, even if they're
not right. You know, have you ever seen a puppy
(04:04):
that's been abused? They're just scared of everything, right, No,
not all of us, of course, But I understand where
that comes from, right, you know, all skin folk and
kin folk. That's a real thing for us. We see
black people, we feel like they understand where we're coming from.
And that's not always true. And we have to know
that there are Uncle Tom's there were black slavers, there
were you know whatever. There's people that were campaigning and
(04:26):
stumping for Donald Trump. We met one the other day.
I won't say her name. But it doesn't mean that
it's appropriate. It doesn't mean that it's just. It doesn't
(04:46):
mean that it's well founded. Our fears of black people
that say that they're coming to help us out.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, we've fallen into this position of question everything,
believe nothing. Right. Well, if you're going to question everything,
some of those answers should be impressed upon you. You
can't decide nothing, excuse me, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You can't decide nothing's true. Now here's where that becomes
extra problematic. We know that the people that listen to
this show tend to be the sort of people that
look at black people, that look at Hispanic people, the
look at perhaps the lgbtqia plus people, Asian people, native populations,
(05:34):
et cetera, as their brothers and sisters as extensions of
their own family. Even right, the people that listen to
this show are the most likely to be allies of
other communities, maybe even go out of their way to
support someone who might be marginalized or disenfranchised.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Right, But that leaves them vulnerable. Two, the very black
people that have that sort of puppy syndrome. So if
they're looking at these influencers on social media who are
very critical of Kamala Harris, and we know that the criticisms,
maybe they're not baseless, but they're not well founded, and
(06:12):
they're not based in a shared reality, and they're not
nearly as big a mountain as they make them out to.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Me scholastically researched all of that, right, not fact checked,
but we recognize that there are people who could look
at someone and by virtue of the fact that they
are black and that they are close enough to the
conversation to be able to offer something incredibly.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
There it is and authenticity and there it is right.
And so these black people who somehow are critical of
Kamala Harris when she's running against Donald Trump have the
capacity to influence non black people who are looking to
them for guidance. Listen, I want to vote the right way.
I am a white, sixty year old woman in Middle America,
(06:56):
and I want to vote the right way. I don't
believe that Donald Trump is going to be good for
me or for the people that I love, my extended family,
my brothers and sisters from different tribes, right, And then
they come across an influencer on social media, and this
influencer says, Kamala Harris is the worst thing that ever
happened to black people. She's locking up all the black people.
And then that six year old white woman says, oh, no.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I might as well do what I've been doing. I
might as well not vote, or I can't vote and
not participate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And what we're here to do today is tell you
how that kick puppy syndrome came about and really debunk
a lot of what it is that they're using. Because
I mean, that kick puppy syndrome. I don't want to
coin that phrase, but it's we're here now. That again,
is the result of we could go back a few years,
(07:49):
we can go back one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We found it mistrust, well founded, abuse, found it consistent, abusistent,
lying to broken promises, franchise like, it's not for nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It comes from a place. But then and then here's
the other part. Obama was the president, and there are
some people that felt like when Obama became president that
he should have been what Donald Trump is now. He
should have been that for black people then, and if he.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Should have been what Donald Trump is now for white supremacy,
there you go. He should have been that for black people.
And there are people black people's causes, black people's well
being not just over the well being of everybody else,
but in spite of make sure we're good forget everybody else,
as if that's that's not a real thing.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No decent human being would do that much less the
president of a country with three hundred and forty million
I always forget the number, but three hundred some million people.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Except that frustration becomes well founded when you see Donald Trump.
One like Donald Trump become president and do exactly what
he did. People are like, yo, Barack, Yeah, whyyen do
that for us? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And now that we know that it's possible. And they
look at a Kamala Harris, they think, well, you know,
all skin folk and kim folk. She's black, you know,
good for her, but I ain't voting for her.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know. And there's black women that say all this
kind of weird old stuff. Right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So I hope you didn't miss the first part of
the show, but if you did, we're gonna play some videos.
These videos come from influencers because we're fighting this battle
on the same battlefield as some of the social media
algorithms that are serving up all this nonsense about Kamala Harris.
We took some stuff from some influencers, we fact check those,
(09:42):
and we have like you can bring it back to us.
Qwan Rams is on Civic Cipher. If any of this
doesn't check out, we're here to tell you. So this
first video is it addresses a question did Kamala Harris
lock up thousands of black men?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So let's fly that one.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Remember when Kamala Harris ran for president in twenty nineteen
and people were saying she was behind the incarceration of
thousands of black people for non violent weed defenses. She
put over fifteen hundred people in jail for marijuana violations
and then laughed about it when she was asked if
she ever smoked marijuana. Turns out the entire thing is
a right wing lie. First off, where did the thousands
number come from? As far as we can tell, and
(10:23):
according to the AFP, the number comes from a Washington
Free Beacon article that said one thousand, five hundred and
sixty people were jailed in California between twenty eleven and
twenty sixteen, So during Harris's tenure, ask California ag for
nonviolent marijuana convictions. That article ceted data from the California
Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, or the CDCR. When the
(10:44):
AFP contacted CDCR, they found out that this data was
for all inmates, not just black inmates. The CDCR said
there was no data that broke these inmates down by
ethnicity nor gender. Second, blackmails in jail made up roughly
the same amount before and after Hairs left the eight job. Third,
to better understand Harris's views on non viout marijuana of fences,
we can look at her time as DA in San Francisco.
(11:06):
From two thousand and four to ten, there were one
nine hundred and fifty six marijuana convictions and just forty
five of them resulted in jail time. Not to mention,
but she was also a champion of the Biden Harris
admin's pardons for federal weave convictions and the reclassification of
lee as a less dangerous substance. I am in no
way saying any all this data is particularly glowing for Harris,
(11:27):
but at least if you're going to judge her, judge
her on her true record and her full record.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Now I realize you probably didn't know that. And we
had to find that video because we've learned that video
along with like the do O Hughlee video.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, we learned this stuff, and we other creators
who have come out to speak truth about some of
these lies that they helped spread the first time around,
first time out of black people, as Ramses said, fail
for those lies when she was running for president, right,
And it's a thing. It happens.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We live in a world where it's just very confusing,
and now we live in a world where, like you've
seen the videos, the AI videos and stuff like that,
it's way worth the one that Elon mus shared and
all this sort of stuff. It's so convincing and it
feels like what a weird reality to live in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We've faced similar misinformation with regards to vaccines. We had
that similar fear because we seen the government or institutions
or people that we should trust experiment on us and
use us as guinea pigs black people specifically test subjects.
Look up the Tuskegee experiments black people specifically. Yeah, So
things like that led us to be a bit apprehensive
(12:41):
and not so gung ho about, you know, jumping off
the portrait of vaccines. We had to help rid ourselves
of a lot of misinformation, just like we have to
do the same now. We have to be diligent.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So so IQ was saying this, and we're saying this
to say that if you happen to be one of
those people that thought that Kamala Harris locked up thousands
of black men and she was this spiteful, hateful, you
know whatever, then you could be forgiven for being subjected
(13:12):
to external forces a lah algorithms and social media influence,
who themselves have been influenced by a right wing agenda
or a tear down smear campaign.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So what's cool to say I got it wrong? Man?
We have to Yeah, we can do it all the time.
We call it eating crow.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's another term we got from young Shouty anyway, And
another thing I want to say here too, I recognize
that we are.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Taking the time to.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Dress up the Democrats messaging, and the Democrats really need
to do this themselves right, because you know how long
it takes to do this hour show.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
To her credit, however, she has been doing a much
better job than her in this little bit, this little week,
she's kind of taken the gloves off. We've been very
very take the high road as they've just plundered us
on the low road. They lied and cheated and bullied,
and we just keep trying to be polite and respectful,
(14:14):
and at some point you have to fight back plainly.
And she's done a good job so far of at
least starting to tread into those waters that we've been
too polite to step into. Yeah, that's very fair, But.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I recognize that this type of research you would expect.
You would expect the campaign to know what's being said,
identify the falsehoods, and then have some centralized messaging or
some marketing campaign to get the messaging out.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Another thing that makes that tough, though, is that political parties,
for all of our lives have used mass media to campaign.
When mass media lets one side of this discussion just
make I just almost curse because I get a little frush,
just make stuff up. It's hard for you to then
get back to your actual messaging because you've got to
try to refact check the lies that were just told
(15:10):
by the other side. So instead of carrying on about
all that you will do and have done. You just
end up running behind them to say that was false
and that was a lie, and I kind of think
that's intentional. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But we're happy to help because we do believe that
Trump is perhaps the worst thing, and we always say
that because it's true every four years, and it does
get worse every four years.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But man, I do not want to do this because
it's still him. Yeah, we're not being hyperbolic or trying
to build this false fear. Dude is really but repugnant.
Like he got some strength now, yeah, some legal strengths.
So anyway, a lot of other black people online, the
common thing that you hear is what has she done
for black people? And a valid question, but people asked
(16:00):
that question because they don't know what she's done for
black people, or they assume since they don't know, that
she's done nothing for black people. And they've also taken
five seconds out of a twenty second response where they
cut out the words essentially forgive me if I'm miss quoting.
I can't do anything just for black people. But if
(16:21):
you listen to the entire quote, we'll have to find
it and post it on our socials. She speaks to
doing things for us. Two they made it seem like
she was saying she would not do things for us.
So these are things that you again and again that's intentional. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And the amount of manipulation of like images and footage
and stuff like that is wild. But anyway, we're gonna
approach with this next video. What has she done for
black people?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Hamlin Harris Heiny in the fact she's black? Howard University Alpha.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Chapter AKA, it's enough to get my attention, but it
ain't enough to get my vote on Skinfolk game, Kimfolk,
you bet check on record, and I did that and
I find out some things.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You do, Yo.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Kamlaris is almost exactly what you expect from a prosecutor
with the credentials I just mentioned. First off, you don't
even qualify to talk about her unless you heard about
back on Track. That's like trying to discuss jay Z
without hearing reasonable doubt. Back on Track was restorative justice
program for eighteen to twenty four year old first time
non violent, low level drug effics. Instead of jail or
a charge on the record, folks got sent in the
boot camp where they got job rating. This training rental
training or the GED got connected with employees.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
For careers, got their credit fixed. That's a pretty good deal,
I'm feeling would sell a ounce right. Nah, Okay, but for.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Real, most people graduated that program, student charges out like
it never happened. As DA of San Francisco, she made
social services help parents prodimpately and officially true kids.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Twitter told job she was streatening up with jail chap.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
The most important issue for me really is that we
get these kids into school.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The goal is not to prosecute parents. It's to get
these children to go to school. We are not talking
about hooking and playing hooky. And frankly we all did okay.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Nah, they were missing forty to eighty days. That ain't hookie,
that's hiatus, and nobody went to jail. I checked since
he got them kids back in school and kept them
out of beencarceration in the grade. She also created re
entry initiatives with people in jail, we get out and
not go back and make it over twelve hundred domestic abuses,
the child molesters, rapists, and violent criminal transnational gangs got
twenty billion backs for Cali from the big banks out
of the foreclosure crisis created silk rights division in Sam
(18:07):
Francisco DA's off. When she first got ins, threw the
charges out for the activist in the protests who got arrested.
Shoty your hero off Senator of no disrespect, not the
mission in conserration, weights for marijuana charges fell each year.
She was a g So much for that theory about
her believe in the massive conserration. But Kamla Harrison, I'm excited.
I'm excited about the plans for government form and HBCU
with gyms. I'm excited about women's equal pay and the
return of consent decrease. I'm excited about black home ownership
(18:27):
and a black woman on the Supreme Court. I'm excited
about black businesses, women and a D nine step show
the day before inauguration, y'all know they having a step show,
and I'm gonna be there too, with an eight dollars
fish plate and some Mambo sauce. At the end of
the day, she the strongest and most prepared and exactly
what American need right now, and I look forward to
seeing her stroll into the White House in twenty twenty one.
That's the ak Joe Hope sha'll make academy members probate.
Though now I say four to eight years the D
nine jokes are gonna be hilarious. I still ain't been
(18:49):
the same. So somebody said she's gonna put aka tags
in the back of the Air Force.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One shout out to the Skiwez one time.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And real quick before we move on. Was up that video,
And it's important to say this this way because I've
tried to find it the other way and it's very difficult.
It's posted on TikTok by at underscore Leak l e
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he's going to angrily tell you to stop telling him
(19:21):
thank you for that video because it was a video
posted by Drew Comments. Except if you go to Drew
Comments and that's Drew d R e W Comments the
way that it sounds, you won't be able to find
or at least we couldn't find that video on his page.
So it's Drew Comments but posted by at underscore l
e e K Underscore C.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So one of the things that I feel it's important
to mention right now is that, uh, you know what
he was talking about Whenkama Harris throughout the charges for
the protesters. That is something that flies in the face
of a lot of like active this narratives with respect
to Kamala Harris. And I understand that because you know,
(20:05):
we around here, we are the real activist, right, We
don't just be in the studio. We get out there
and you know there's something there, you know what I mean.
And now again we're not saying Kamala Harris is a
perfect candidate, but by comparison, you know, it's you know
(20:26):
what I'm saying, And then everyone is just dead set
on tearing people down.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, you know your boy said that in ABJ that
she's not black, So let's talk about that. Actually, you
want to take this one from Time magazine. I don't
even want to take it, but sure, right, Harris is
not black. That's the claim from Time magazine that time. Rather,
this is the same Time magazine article debunking a lot
of facts about Kamala Harris. So go ahead. The claim
(20:53):
is that Harris is not black. The facts this is false.
Harris is black and Indian. Her father, Ronald Harris, as
a black man who was born in Jamaica. Shayamala Gopelan,
her mother was born in southern India. Now people listening
might say, well, that's Jamaican and Indian, that's not black,
And I'm so glad you said so, because when race
(21:16):
was constructed in this country, there was a very intentional
point of emphasis, the one drop rule, so that they
can consider you a subclass. If you had one drop
of black blood anyone from the African diaspora, you were black. Okay,
So don't try to unblack her now because it fits
this narrative you're trying to push.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm gonna take it one better. So my sister's husband,
he's Jamaican, right, his name is Jim Jirell, but he
was born in the United States of America, so he
is African of African descent more immediate born in the
United States of America. So guess what he has African
American experience, right, same is true with Kamala Harris, who
was born where.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oakon, California, Alpha Chapter aka Howard University watched d All.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Right, that's gonna do it for us for right now
on civic cypher. Of course, we could go on and
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Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, man, and hopefully we've helped out a little bit
and we'll change the world together.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hi until next week, out peace, Peace,
Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast
the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop
Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host,
Ramsy's job.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That is my brother Ramsey's jah. I am his brother
q Ward and you are our brothers and sisters listening
to Civic Cipher and we love that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We appreciate it, and we hope that you didn't miss
the first part of the show. But if you did,
hit Civiccipher dot com. You need that because it definitely
goes with the second part of the show. Today we
are discussing the attacks on Kamala Harris. The first part
of the show, of course, the attacks from the right,
and this part of the show, we want you to
stick around because we are going to be discussing the
black attack on Kamala Harris. You may have encountered some
(00:40):
stuff online that seems like it's casting her in a
bad light, or she's like this awful person who's done
all these awful things black people, or has never been
present or is not black or whatever. We're gonna talk
about all that today because we kind of have to.
There's a lot at stake and it's really easy to
get caught up in the algorithms and not do any research.
So we've done the research for you. All you got
to do is sit back, relax and listen. But before
we get there, it is time to discuss ba ba
(01:02):
becoming a better ally baba. And today's Babba is sponsored
by Friends of the Movement. You can sign up for
the freebo to wallet from Fotmglobal dot com spart black
businesses and allied businesses as well as make an impact
with your spending. Again, that's fotmglobo dot com. Can you
want to hit this one because you're the one to send.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It over so one time. From Mesa, Arizona, the Republican
mayor of the City of Mesa, Arizona, John Giles, has
announced he is endorsing Kamala Harris for president. Our party
used to stand for the belief that every Arizonian, no
matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity,
and security to live out their American dream, Giles said,
(01:39):
But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of
the twenty twenty election, Republicans have yet to course correct.
The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down
the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our
fundamental freedoms. In the spirit of the late Senator John
McCain's motto, country First, I called on other Arizona Republicans
(02:02):
to join me in choosing country over party this election
and to vote against Donald Trump end quote.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So that takes a lot of courage and a lot
of bravery, and especially in Arizon publican white man in Arizona,
but we wanted to shout him out, and of course
we're on the radio in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So our hope is that this makes its way.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
To him, because no matter what we do, share this country,
and you know, folks that are objectively able.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
To also damn in that. Shout out to white dudes
for Harris. They did great work, raised four million dollars.
Fox panel Jesse Water said, I heard the scientists say
the other day that when a man votes for a woman,
he actually transitions into a woman. A supposedly respected broadcast
(02:51):
journalist said this on Fox unchecked with women present.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's the wildest timeline that we live in, man. But yeah,
shout out to white dudes for Harris and John Kyles
all right, back to the lecture at hand. To quote
the illustrious, the most famous rapper in the world' snood.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Dog, the philosopher, the great philosopher brought us talk to him.
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So a lot of people are really happy about Kamala
Harris's presidency. It has absolutely infused the Democrat Party with energy.
We've seen it on the ground. There's been just new energy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But black people, I could say this because I'm real black,
ban to black, the blackest person you ever met.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
With navy black. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Black people, man, we're like, we're like kick puppies sometimes.
What I mean when I say that, please, oh yeah, yeah,
I got it. What I mean is like we fear
that everybody is out to get us, even if they're
not right. You know, have you ever seen a puppy
(04:04):
that's been abused? They're just scared of everything, right, No,
not all of us, of course, But I understand where
that comes from, right, you know, all skin folk and
kin folk. That's a real thing for us. We see
black people, we feel like they understand where we're coming from.
And that's not always true. And we have to know
that there are Uncle Tom's there were black slavers, there
were you know whatever. There's people that were campaigning and
(04:26):
stumping for Donald Trump. We met one the other day.
I won't say her name. But it doesn't mean that
it's appropriate. It doesn't mean that it's just. It doesn't
(04:46):
mean that it's well founded. Our fears of black people
that say that they're coming to help us out.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, we've fallen into this position of question everything,
believe nothing. Right. Well, if you're going to question everything,
some of those answers should be impressed upon you. You
can't decide nothing, excuse me, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You can't decide nothing's true. Now here's where that becomes
extra problematic. We know that the people that listen to
this show tend to be the sort of people that
look at black people, that look at Hispanic people, the
look at perhaps the lgbtqia plus people, Asian people, native populations,
(05:34):
et cetera, as their brothers and sisters as extensions of
their own family. Even right, the people that listen to
this show are the most likely to be allies of
other communities, maybe even go out of their way to
support someone who might be marginalized or disenfranchised.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Right, But that leaves them vulnerable. Two, the very black
people that have that sort of puppy syndrome. So if
they're looking at these influencers on social media who are
very critical of Kamala Harris, and we know that the criticisms,
maybe they're not baseless, but they're not well founded, and
(06:12):
they're not based in a shared reality, and they're not
nearly as big a mountain as they make them out to.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Me scholastically researched all of that, right, not fact checked,
but we recognize that there are people who could look
at someone and by virtue of the fact that they
are black and that they are close enough to the
conversation to be able to offer something incredibly.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
There it is and authenticity and there it is right.
And so these black people who somehow are critical of
Kamala Harris when she's running against Donald Trump have the
capacity to influence non black people who are looking to
them for guidance. Listen, I want to vote the right way.
I am a white, sixty year old woman in Middle America,
(06:56):
and I want to vote the right way. I don't
believe that Donald Trump is going to be good for
me or for the people that I love, my extended family,
my brothers and sisters from different tribes, right, And then
they come across an influencer on social media, and this
influencer says, Kamala Harris is the worst thing that ever
happened to black people. She's locking up all the black people.
And then that six year old white woman says, oh, no.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I might as well do what I've been doing. I
might as well not vote, or I can't vote and
not participate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And what we're here to do today is tell you
how that kick puppy syndrome came about and really debunk
a lot of what it is that they're using. Because
I mean, that kick puppy syndrome. I don't want to
coin that phrase, but it's we're here now. That again,
is the result of we could go back a few years,
(07:49):
we can go back one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We found it mistrust, well founded, abuse, found it consistent, abusistent,
lying to broken promises, franchise like, it's not for nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It comes from a place. But then and then here's
the other part. Obama was the president, and there are
some people that felt like when Obama became president that
he should have been what Donald Trump is now. He
should have been that for black people then, and if he.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Should have been what Donald Trump is now for white supremacy,
there you go. He should have been that for black people.
And there are people black people's causes, black people's well
being not just over the well being of everybody else,
but in spite of make sure we're good forget everybody else,
as if that's that's not a real thing.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No decent human being would do that much less the
president of a country with three hundred and forty million
I always forget the number, but three hundred some million people.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Except that frustration becomes well founded when you see Donald Trump.
One like Donald Trump become president and do exactly what
he did. People are like, yo, Barack, Yeah, whyyen do
that for us? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And now that we know that it's possible. And they
look at a Kamala Harris, they think, well, you know,
all skin folk and kim folk. She's black, you know,
good for her, but I ain't voting for her.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know. And there's black women that say all this
kind of weird old stuff. Right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So I hope you didn't miss the first part of
the show, but if you did, we're gonna play some videos.
These videos come from influencers because we're fighting this battle
on the same battlefield as some of the social media
algorithms that are serving up all this nonsense about Kamala Harris.
We took some stuff from some influencers, we fact check those,
(09:42):
and we have like you can bring it back to us.
Qwan Rams is on Civic Cipher. If any of this
doesn't check out, we're here to tell you. So this
first video is it addresses a question did Kamala Harris
lock up thousands of black men?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So let's fly that one.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Remember when Kamala Harris ran for president in twenty nineteen
and people were saying she was behind the incarceration of
thousands of black people for non violent weed defenses. She
put over fifteen hundred people in jail for marijuana violations
and then laughed about it when she was asked if
she ever smoked marijuana. Turns out the entire thing is
a right wing lie. First off, where did the thousands
number come from? As far as we can tell, and
(10:23):
according to the AFP, the number comes from a Washington
Free Beacon article that said one thousand, five hundred and
sixty people were jailed in California between twenty eleven and
twenty sixteen, So during Harris's tenure, ask California ag for
nonviolent marijuana convictions. That article ceted data from the California
Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, or the CDCR. When the
(10:44):
AFP contacted CDCR, they found out that this data was
for all inmates, not just black inmates. The CDCR said
there was no data that broke these inmates down by
ethnicity nor gender. Second, blackmails in jail made up roughly
the same amount before and after Hairs left the eight job. Third,
to better understand Harris's views on non viout marijuana of fences,
we can look at her time as DA in San Francisco.
(11:06):
From two thousand and four to ten, there were one
nine hundred and fifty six marijuana convictions and just forty
five of them resulted in jail time. Not to mention,
but she was also a champion of the Biden Harris
admin's pardons for federal weave convictions and the reclassification of
lee as a less dangerous substance. I am in no
way saying any all this data is particularly glowing for Harris,
(11:27):
but at least if you're going to judge her, judge
her on her true record and her full record.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Now I realize you probably didn't know that. And we
had to find that video because we've learned that video
along with like the do O Hughlee video.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, we learned this stuff, and we other creators
who have come out to speak truth about some of
these lies that they helped spread the first time around,
first time out of black people, as Ramses said, fail
for those lies when she was running for president, right,
And it's a thing. It happens.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We live in a world where it's just very confusing,
and now we live in a world where, like you've
seen the videos, the AI videos and stuff like that,
it's way worth the one that Elon mus shared and
all this sort of stuff. It's so convincing and it
feels like what a weird reality to live in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We've faced similar misinformation with regards to vaccines. We had
that similar fear because we seen the government or institutions
or people that we should trust experiment on us and
use us as guinea pigs black people specifically test subjects.
Look up the Tuskegee experiments black people specifically. Yeah, So
things like that led us to be a bit apprehensive
(12:41):
and not so gung ho about, you know, jumping off
the portrait of vaccines. We had to help rid ourselves
of a lot of misinformation, just like we have to
do the same now. We have to be diligent.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So so IQ was saying this, and we're saying this
to say that if you happen to be one of
those people that thought that Kamala Harris locked up thousands
of black men and she was this spiteful, hateful, you
know whatever, then you could be forgiven for being subjected
(13:12):
to external forces a lah algorithms and social media influence,
who themselves have been influenced by a right wing agenda
or a tear down smear campaign.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So what's cool to say I got it wrong? Man?
We have to Yeah, we can do it all the time.
We call it eating crow.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's another term we got from young Shouty anyway, And
another thing I want to say here too, I recognize
that we are.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Taking the time to.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Dress up the Democrats messaging, and the Democrats really need
to do this themselves right, because you know how long
it takes to do this hour show.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
To her credit, however, she has been doing a much
better job than her in this little bit, this little week,
she's kind of taken the gloves off. We've been very
very take the high road as they've just plundered us
on the low road. They lied and cheated and bullied,
and we just keep trying to be polite and respectful,
(14:14):
and at some point you have to fight back plainly.
And she's done a good job so far of at
least starting to tread into those waters that we've been
too polite to step into. Yeah, that's very fair, But.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I recognize that this type of research you would expect.
You would expect the campaign to know what's being said,
identify the falsehoods, and then have some centralized messaging or
some marketing campaign to get the messaging out.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Another thing that makes that tough, though, is that political parties,
for all of our lives have used mass media to campaign.
When mass media lets one side of this discussion just
make I just almost curse because I get a little frush,
just make stuff up. It's hard for you to then
get back to your actual messaging because you've got to
try to refact check the lies that were just told
(15:10):
by the other side. So instead of carrying on about
all that you will do and have done. You just
end up running behind them to say that was false
and that was a lie, and I kind of think
that's intentional. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But we're happy to help because we do believe that
Trump is perhaps the worst thing, and we always say
that because it's true every four years, and it does
get worse every four years.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But man, I do not want to do this because
it's still him. Yeah, we're not being hyperbolic or trying
to build this false fear. Dude is really but repugnant.
Like he got some strength now, yeah, some legal strengths.
So anyway, a lot of other black people online, the
common thing that you hear is what has she done
for black people? And a valid question, but people asked
(16:00):
that question because they don't know what she's done for
black people, or they assume since they don't know, that
she's done nothing for black people. And they've also taken
five seconds out of a twenty second response where they
cut out the words essentially forgive me if I'm miss quoting.
I can't do anything just for black people. But if
(16:21):
you listen to the entire quote, we'll have to find
it and post it on our socials. She speaks to
doing things for us. Two they made it seem like
she was saying she would not do things for us.
So these are things that you again and again that's intentional. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And the amount of manipulation of like images and footage
and stuff like that is wild. But anyway, we're gonna
approach with this next video. What has she done for
black people?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Hamlin Harris Heiny in the fact she's black? Howard University Alpha.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Chapter AKA, it's enough to get my attention, but it
ain't enough to get my vote on Skinfolk game, Kimfolk,
you bet check on record, and I did that and
I find out some things.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You do, Yo.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Kamlaris is almost exactly what you expect from a prosecutor
with the credentials I just mentioned. First off, you don't
even qualify to talk about her unless you heard about
back on Track. That's like trying to discuss jay Z
without hearing reasonable doubt. Back on Track was restorative justice
program for eighteen to twenty four year old first time
non violent, low level drug effics. Instead of jail or
a charge on the record, folks got sent in the
boot camp where they got job rating. This training rental
training or the GED got connected with employees.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
For careers, got their credit fixed. That's a pretty good deal,
I'm feeling would sell a ounce right. Nah, Okay, but for.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Real, most people graduated that program, student charges out like
it never happened. As DA of San Francisco, she made
social services help parents prodimpately and officially true kids.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Twitter told job she was streatening up with jail chap.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
The most important issue for me really is that we
get these kids into school.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The goal is not to prosecute parents. It's to get
these children to go to school. We are not talking
about hooking and playing hooky. And frankly we all did okay.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Nah, they were missing forty to eighty days. That ain't hookie,
that's hiatus, and nobody went to jail. I checked since
he got them kids back in school and kept them
out of beencarceration in the grade. She also created re
entry initiatives with people in jail, we get out and
not go back and make it over twelve hundred domestic abuses,
the child molesters, rapists, and violent criminal transnational gangs got
twenty billion backs for Cali from the big banks out
of the foreclosure crisis created silk rights division in Sam
(18:07):
Francisco DA's off. When she first got ins, threw the
charges out for the activist in the protests who got arrested.
Shoty your hero off Senator of no disrespect, not the
mission in conserration, weights for marijuana charges fell each year.
She was a g So much for that theory about
her believe in the massive conserration. But Kamla Harrison, I'm excited.
I'm excited about the plans for government form and HBCU
with gyms. I'm excited about women's equal pay and the
return of consent decrease. I'm excited about black home ownership
(18:27):
and a black woman on the Supreme Court. I'm excited
about black businesses, women and a D nine step show
the day before inauguration, y'all know they having a step show,
and I'm gonna be there too, with an eight dollars
fish plate and some Mambo sauce. At the end of
the day, she the strongest and most prepared and exactly
what American need right now, and I look forward to
seeing her stroll into the White House in twenty twenty one.
That's the ak Joe Hope sha'll make academy members probate.
Though now I say four to eight years the D
nine jokes are gonna be hilarious. I still ain't been
(18:49):
the same. So somebody said she's gonna put aka tags
in the back of the Air Force.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One shout out to the Skiwez one time.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And real quick before we move on. Was up that video,
And it's important to say this this way because I've
tried to find it the other way and it's very difficult.
It's posted on TikTok by at underscore Leak l e
e K underscore C. When you get to his page,
he's going to angrily tell you to stop telling him
(19:21):
thank you for that video because it was a video
posted by Drew Comments. Except if you go to Drew
Comments and that's Drew d R e W Comments the
way that it sounds, you won't be able to find
or at least we couldn't find that video on his page.
So it's Drew Comments but posted by at underscore l
e e K Underscore C.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So one of the things that I feel it's important
to mention right now is that, uh, you know what
he was talking about Whenkama Harris throughout the charges for
the protesters. That is something that flies in the face
of a lot of like active this narratives with respect
to Kamala Harris. And I understand that because you know,
(20:05):
we around here, we are the real activist, right, We
don't just be in the studio. We get out there
and you know there's something there, you know what I mean.
And now again we're not saying Kamala Harris is a
perfect candidate, but by comparison, you know, it's you know
(20:26):
what I'm saying, And then everyone is just dead set
on tearing people down.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, you know your boy said that in ABJ that
she's not black, So let's talk about that. Actually, you
want to take this one from Time magazine. I don't
even want to take it, but sure, right, Harris is
not black. That's the claim from Time magazine that time. Rather,
this is the same Time magazine article debunking a lot
of facts about Kamala Harris. So go ahead. The claim
(20:53):
is that Harris is not black. The facts this is false.
Harris is black and Indian. Her father, Ronald Harris, as
a black man who was born in Jamaica. Shayamala Gopelan,
her mother was born in southern India. Now people listening
might say, well, that's Jamaican and Indian, that's not black,
And I'm so glad you said so, because when race
(21:16):
was constructed in this country, there was a very intentional
point of emphasis, the one drop rule, so that they
can consider you a subclass. If you had one drop
of black blood anyone from the African diaspora, you were black. Okay,
So don't try to unblack her now because it fits
this narrative you're trying to push.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm gonna take it one better. So my sister's husband,
he's Jamaican, right, his name is Jim Jirell, but he
was born in the United States of America, so he
is African of African descent more immediate born in the
United States of America. So guess what he has African
American experience, right, same is true with Kamala Harris, who
was born where.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oakon, California, Alpha Chapter aka Howard University watched d All.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Right, that's gonna do it for us for right now
on civic cypher. Of course, we could go on and
there's a lot that we left on the table, but
we only have an hour, so we thank you for
listening for the hour if you did, and for the
last half if that was all you could give us.
We still employ you to go hit the website and
download the entire episode or anything you may have missed,
and follow us on all social media because we have
(22:24):
to share some of the videos and clips that we
discussed in today's episodes, so you can go back and
check those on our social media. You can find us
again at civiciper dot com, c ib I c c
I p h e R. You can find us on
all social medias at Civiccipher against the IPI.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
C I v I c c I p h e R.
You can follow me on all social media at rams's
jah I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, man, and hopefully we've helped out a little bit
and we'll change the world together.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hi until next week, out peace, Peace,
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