February 9, 2024 • 56 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe is joined by celebrity stylist Dani Michelle. Her clients include Hailey Beiber, Kendall Jenner, Elsa Hosk just to name a few.
Dani has carved out an incredible career in fashion and her story is so inspiring in general but especially if you are interested in fashion, styling, and the editorial world.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Spring is almost here, and I have just the thing
to help you head into the season in style. My
spring Box is filled with my favorite fashion and beauty items,
all curated to make you feel polished and put together.
There's a sheep bag, chain link, jewelry, soothing, skincare, and
so much more. Altogether, this collection of products is valued
(00:24):
at over six hundred dollars. When you sign up for
an annual membership by February thirteen, you'll pay just three
ninety nine for an entire year. You'll start with my
spring Box, then receive new curations in summer fall. Don't wait,
sign up now at curetor dot com. That seur at
(00:45):
eur dot com. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Dough and you're
listening to Climbing in Heels. The show is all about
celebrating the most extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their
incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today
(01:08):
in the pod, I'm talking to one of the most
talented and badass celebrities, stylists, Danny Michelle. Her clients include
just a few people that you've heard of, Hailey Bieber,
Kendall Jenner, Alsa hask Just to name a few. Danny
has carved out a pretty incredible career in fashion, and
her story is so inspiring in general, but of course
(01:29):
especially if you are interested in fashion styling or just
the editorial world.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Her new jewelry line Mega is so perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I literally wear her pieces almost every day. I always
love chatting with another stylist. It's really just like revisiting,
you know, my past. And I just love her passion,
I love her love for the game, her work ethic.
She's so impressive. So let's get into it. So I
(02:04):
just want to, first without digging too much into your
early early beginnings, like what on earth made you start
to do this?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And like at what point? Like where where did you
grow up?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
First of all, so I grew up really in theotomic Maryland.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
When we went to school in DC. My friends lived in DC,
I worked in DC. So I felt like DC was
my home. It's what I always say. And so I'm
an East girl.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That makes sense. That that definitely makes sense. But by
the way, sorry DC, but I would never consider it
a fashion city.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
No, no, However, I really think that it plays a
huge role in my perspective in fashion because we had
a huge music scene. So it was like the man
that I could rebel and I had a very like
liberal high school. So we were going to concerts on
Tuesday nights of like some of the best bands, like
like Things, people that headline Coachella, you know, two thousand
(02:58):
and twenty ten were like I was in a small,
one hundred person little room with them, and so I
had this influence of music and then at the same time,
I had this really like manicured, sophisticated perspective of like,
you know, a very proper upbringing. So I feel like
those two depositions of being like really poised and polished
(03:19):
and then all being like a rebel and unique.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like come together and that was a huge part of
being in DC for me.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So you come from a family that's a little more
like traditional and proper.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Oh yeah, like holidays, like skirts below my knees, like
nothing could show from like neck to anywhere, like stock
takes packed elbows off the table.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Really yeah, okay, I would I would never get that.
I would never get that from you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You do not give off that vibe.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
My family was Southern, and it was just like very
expect with high expectations of like you know where you
come from it and how you need to act that lady,
and in a really positive way, you know, with really
strong ethics worlds.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know, which quite frankly I crave. And you know,
I actually took my kids out of a very progressive
school and put them in a very traditional school because
I actually really I just I love manners.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I love manners and I and I love when people
look at you when you say hello to them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I do like that, I do, But I do think,
but I think that I think there's a balance, you know,
I think there's a balance.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, Like I think the kids that I don't want
to speak to people that like, I think you always
rebel from what.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Of course you know, of course whatever you were.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Of course, I think that as long as we started
in a really like we had a really good upbringing,
then you find your path where you're supposed to be,
and you go somewhere, you find your own world. But
I really love and I'm super grateful for that space
that it gave me.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And so when did you leave? When did you leave DC? Maryland?
Like were you Like, I'm out of here. I don't
want to live here forever? Were you like, maybe I
should try.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I listen, like, I went to the same school from
kindergarten until I was eighteen to senior year and I
went to University of I was gonna go to n YU.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I was like, two, that's what I'm me too.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's also me too.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I went to did you go to NYO?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, my parents wouldn't let me. They said, New York's
not going anywhere see it. When you get back, you're
not saying where'd you go? I went to I went
to George Washington because they were like, well they well,
I said, okay, I'll go to.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
LA and they were like, fuck, no, you're not. They
were like, because you will never come home. We will
never see you again. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So like no, no New York City and no LA.
So I was like, okay, what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I'm from New York and New Jersey from Short Hills.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Oh my god, so my mom my mom moved to Livingston,
so I know.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Next door, you know it. Oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I went to you just to like hang out
with a friend that was already in college, and I
got to this that was like straight out it looked
like saved by the bell. To me, I was like,
oh my god, grass and palm trees and fountains, and.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I was like saved by the college literacy.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So I got there and loved it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I made like great friends and I'm still girl friends
with today and and had like an awesome experience because
it was very like in a city. So we went
to Miami all the time. And I feel like I
had this like beautiful few years where I was like
partly a child and partly an adult.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know. I had a job and I went out
and I was in the city.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But then I also like fell back into my college
life and college campus and it was a perfect mix.
I feel like of like transition from child to adult.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's what I always say about college, to be honest.
For me, like the biggest purpose the college serve for
me was growing up like learning to be like independent,
because otherwise you go from being a kid kind of
owned and governed by your parents into the real world, right,
and you're like, wow, you know, so I.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Just go to these and again not just speak on
someone else's experience, but like if you're just in these
small towns where you just live with a school life.
It probably is like a shock still look like adult
life versus school life.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I really also.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Love you know, I believe everything happens as it should,
and I think that it was a great school for
me as far as the transition of my life.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And then you were like, Okay, so new York, here
I come. I'm coming because I'm going to go to
New York.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
With everyone from DC goes to New York. That's like
the natural progression, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And I had interned in New York at the time.
I got internship at seventeen magazine, which was like, you know,
twenty years ago, that was it and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I was at IM so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Why that that was my team.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's my only job I have had.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
My only job I ever had, I worked at I
worked at y M magazine and I started as a
fashion assistant in the closet three days a week, and
then I left a senior fashion editor and I went
freelance at twenty five MM.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oha job, the job I ever had.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I was in the accessories apartment and one day, like
I was the first to get there the last one
to leave. Not because I was trying to prove something,
just because I was like so into it. And one
day they had to bring someone to set and they
were like, she's coming to set, and I didn't even
know what the word set meant.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I was like, okay, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I got to set and someone was there. They were
having a photoshoot. They were dressing you know, the models,
and I was like, this is a job to tell
people what to wear.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's called the setting. At the time, it was the
sittings editor.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, and I wanted to write that magazine. That's like
what I really had wanted to do. I love writing,
and that's where I thought my career would go and
I would work at a magazine because I thought you
wanted to work at fashion.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You wrote for a magazine.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I don't know how how the photos all there. I
don't even know what I thought, but I think that
when you and I spoke, like it was such a
different time that like no one talked about a stylist.
We didn't know what it was. And your show was
in two thousand and eight, was the year I graduated.
It all came at this like perfect storm of like
I knew I wanted to be it, and then you
(09:20):
showed the world what it was, and you kind of
madd this lane for us to be for it to
be spoken about. So at that point when I was interning,
is when I learned about being a stylist. And I
was like, Okay, that's what i'll go do and that's
what I want to do, and I'll do that in
New York. But before I do that, like I'm going
to go to like LA and have one year in LA,
kind of like before I become an adult, like transition
(09:44):
from like I don't just felt I was kind of
this one year and then I've never left.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I've never left, no way. And were you single? Were
you single when you came to La?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I had never been here, did not know one person.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yet out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, And I and I got this apartment off of
my space.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
This girl, this girl had this really great like you know,
fashion music, MySpace blog and I was like, she needed
a roommate and.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I took the spot.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
How wild is that?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
See?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
When I moved here, I had I had a whole
life here because I had spent I moved here because
I was spending like eighty percent of my time here styling.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I was like, why am I going back? And forth.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I've always wanted to live here, and here I am
twenty years later, so it kind of eats you that way.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It's crazy that you're interviewing me because the first time
we met, like I was asking you one million questions.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And you were so I was an episode where you've
told your whole story.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
So I can go watch it because for like a week,
I like kept thinking about everything you were saying.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Your story is.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So incredible and so sweet, legendary. Really, the experience you
have so legendary. And when you write a book, I
would be the.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
First a buy it or whatever I have too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's what I'm sending you when we hang up, I'm
going to send you. I'm going to send you Style
eight z O and Living in Style.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And well, no, no, no, I had Style eight. I bought
that because that came That came out.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
A decade ago.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It came out when you graduated. It came out. I
think my first book, I want to say it was
two thousand and eight or two thousand and nine, and
then two thousand and twelve or thirteen because I was
pregnant with Kayas.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So yeah, definitely bought your first book.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You mean my narrow book.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, like, is there a book where you tell? I
don't remember what that now, but I definitely.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Everyone wants me to do a tell, but it's like
I'd get arrested.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I can't. Like I could do one without names, or
I could tell you know the story. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It's interesting because it is kind of interesting because it's
very similar. My story is similar to yours in the
way that I like, I didn't really know what I
wanted to do, right, and so then I think at
the end of the day, I sort of fell into it,
fell in love with it. Definitely did not know what
a stylist was. And to your point, the reason I
(12:08):
started the show was because it was actually the last
thing I said i'd ever do right, Like, never in
any life would I want a camera on me, Like
put it on the client.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And then I was like, you know what, why is
everyone so so confused about this industry? Like there has
to be some democratization of what this is. It has
to be more relatable to more people, you know, And
I have to explain the genius of the designers behind
the curtain because they are genius and that's why everybody
(12:38):
looks this way, you know, And so I don't know
that was sort of the goal of it. And I
think for me to hear you and so many other amazing,
you know, young stylists that I adore sort of want
to or or be more motivated to become a stylist
from that is like for me, there's no better reward
(12:59):
that I could get forever doing it because oh so
hard five years, but it's not easy to do.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You're so sweet, it's just really unbelievable, like even for me,
Like it's like for me, it is not past me
that I'm speaking to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like the legend herself.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You're the cutest. Well let's talk about you. So okay,
So here you are.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You graduate, you moved to LA and you basically think
you're going for a year to just do this and
become a stylist because you now that you've figured out
what it is, so you moved to LA. You get
this room from a random person on MySpace, which is
just you know, wild, but people do do that. I mean, listen,
you know Jen Akins story, She like rolled here in
(13:41):
a car and was like with like three hundred dollars
or something like lived in her car, and here she
is like, you didn't even know, like you didn't have
a client at that point, so like, what are you doing,
by the way, wait, important question here because I think
this is very important, Like you didn't have a client,
you came to LA because to me, that's actually terrifying.
(14:02):
And your parents were they like my daughter's lost her mind,
like because a lot of parents do not support the insanity, right,
but you have the bug, right, and you know you
said you're you didn't really go by the same rules,
so you sort of were like so you're this like
wild fashion card.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think that, I mean, I know that I have
always been so driven, and I've always like sought after
something and like.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And and made it happen. I think that my.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Mom trusted that she raised me well and that I
would make the right decisions and that if this was
something I was after, she would encourage me to chase
whatever I was looking for.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, we were speaking every day. She was like she
was the phone call I made every day.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
She knew what I was doing, and I didn't really
I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew
that like I wanted to see this part of my
life because I kind of felt that I was going
to go to New York, get an apartment, get a life,
and like just live in New York. I was like,
before I just start my entire next chapter of my life,
let me have like one little adventure. And she supported that.
(15:10):
I don't think anyone thought I wasn't coming back, Like
no one thought that I thought we were. I was
just going to LA for a year, but I moved
here and then I mean, listen, everything I always believe
like happens for a reason at its right time. And
like randomly, the neighbor in the building worked at the
(15:30):
jim Hens a lot and was like, there's a stylus
that needs an assistant. And I don't know if you
know Michelle Tomachevski anyone who does know or has wid brothers,
she is like one of the nicest human beings. I
was like blessed with this, like incredible human too. She
threw me in the deep end we were doing. Her
(15:52):
client was the Jonas Brothers.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And they were like, yeah, the fire, they were on fire,
that's my name backstreet.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Literally and it was you know, talk shows, music videos,
photo shoots, like you know, private planes everything. It was
just like at the top level immediately in the deep end,
and she was just like the nicest human that did
business the right way.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And everywhere I went, I would be like, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
From Michelle, and they'd be like, oh, we love her,
Like isn't she the best ill? And I saw that
respect and I respected her even more the way that
she treated me, the way she cheated other people, the
way that she was her reputation, Like I was like
this is I was just so entry it maybe want
to work so much harder. All I wanted to do
(16:40):
was like be the best I could for her because
she was being the best she could be and it
was just like the best environment. I learned so much
and like still today when she likes my photos and
I'm like, you're still cheering.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's the dream, by the way, Well, it's the dream
to have someone like you and then and then in
turn to support and cheer for you.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
When I knew that's like exactly how I wanted to be,
and I've really never like faltered from it. It's like
being kind is like the number one thing on my like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Requirements should always be and should never changed. No matter
how brutal it could get and does get.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, you have to like.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, I mean I truly believe like yelling at someone
doesn't make them want to like work harder. It probably
shuts people down, you know, and like getting mad, it
doesn't bring anything positive.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right, you have to work through and find solutions.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
You have to encourage them and like say like it's
okay moving forward, Like just work to be your best
team of your best self, and like I think that will,
in my opinion, push people to then be their best selves.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know, well, yeah it didn't in my case, but
but I'm so happy it does for you because because
I'm hoping that it's a bit of a new world.
You know, for me, it's been it's so so fun
to watch you do your thing because you know, I
hadn't known you, and then when I met you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I was like, she's such like a cutie.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like she's meaning Like for me, it's it's you know,
people always ask me like how did you become Rachel's
so why you why did da da da? And Roger
would always answer that, like, well, she outworked everybody. She
never looked at the clock, she never thought of it
as a job. She did ten ten x extra because
that was what the client needed at the time, or
(18:30):
that's what she felt the client needed, right. And I
don't know any of that other than I loved it
so much that it was all I could do, right.
And so when I when I meet someone like you,
I get so sort of like I remember coming home
that night and saying to my husband, like, I met
like the cutest girl. I was like, I was like,
(18:50):
she styles all the girls. I was like, but she
loves what she does, you know, she like loves it.
It's like she loves it. She has the like spark
in her eye she had, like you can tell you
could spot people like that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
There's people that do things because it's a job, and
there's people that do things because they live and die
for it, you know. And I think that there's a
different way that people motivated by the passion and genuine
love for the job end up working right and truthfully
end up succeeding right. And so I think with you,
it's it's very obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
That you love it. So what are like, were there
ever any moments?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So you end up coming here, you never leave, you
end up working for Michelle which is the dream to
work for an incredible stylist because I always say, like,
it's boot camp, right, and especially when you work in
music specifically, it's boot camp.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That was my train That was honestly my training.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I went freelance and right into Brittany and Backstreet and
Jessica Simpson and in Sync and all all of.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
All of that, and Enrique and Enrique, and it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Was just like, as you said, like limitless budgets, music videos,
album covers, private planes, You're going to Monaco for twenty
four hours, You're flying here for three hours and you're
getting back. It was like I definitely aged like twenty
years in five years, and I definitely didn't sleep. And
it was the most insane amount of money. It was
the most insane like working out. It was just always
(20:21):
working right. And but I will say it was the
grad school. It was the grad school for styling. It
was because you had to be prepared for everything, right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, I want to hear those stories, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So there are so many stories there are.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Which is crazy, Like someone just asked me something yesterday
and I'm like, like I can't. There was a country
I've open to, Croatia. I can't even remember going to Croatia.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Oh my god. That happened to me the other day.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Someone was like, oh my god, I'm dying to go
to Prague. And then literally like someone goes, Rachel, didn't
you go there for like a broad pitchot? And I'm like,
I did. I actually went there. I did go there.
I was there for two weeks. What was your favorite part?
I'm like, I remember a bridge and a hotel and
literally that's it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A bridge at There's.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So much I always say, is that because we're like
so detail oriented, Like in my office there's thousands of
pieces and I could like tell you a backstory about
fings one of the things, what job they came from?
Like like sometimes when we do like purges and I'm
like no, no, no, you guys. I'm like this piece
and like I have such insane short term like there
(21:37):
is nothing you could ask me that I wouldn't know
going on that.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think that it's like for my long term.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Has like yeah, away, it won't come back to you
till people interview you, like and all of a sudden,
it's a little bit of like this is your life.
Like I'll be like, Rachel, you did this and you
did this album and you were here dressing them for this,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
M, you're right. I was. You're absolutely right. I was.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it's so funny, like sometimes you have this moment,
but it does. It did teach me sort of like
as I move forward in work, like try to like
try to experience it, you know what I mean. Tried it,
but it's hard. You can't because it's it's like this,
and especially when you know, being a stylist, you're in
the service business, right, so it's it's you you almost
take your whole self out, you go, what do you need?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Who needs this? D D DA?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Right like and it's it's like flashes of light that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Honestly is like such like an important sentence.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So I think a lot of people a forget that,
like you know, service business.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
From the perspective of like how hard we give.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like sometimes when I come home, I'm just so drained
because my whole day is emotionally and mentally and creatively
giving to other people. And I think that also like
for the younger generation that forgets like this is a
really hard job.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It is hard, difficult, And.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I think that going back to what you said, it's
like only the people that like are really passionate about
it and that are not just chasing the money but
chasing their creativity and their relationships and the connections, and
like the moment is like when when they'll succeed because
you have to give it one hundred and ten percent
and it takes a.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Lot, a lot out of you.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So it's like we have to be really dedicated and
really want it and really care.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you are married, correct, I am tell me everything?
So where did you meet Prince Tremy?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
We met? It's like it's like another whole podcast on itself,
so I'll.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Keep it that we met at a dinner party. I
was on a first date and he was on a
second date. I showed up like on the back of
this motorcycle as an Italian man, and he was like,
I came out in my rigel, I took the helmet off.
I like shook my hair so like my hair wasn't flat,
and he saw me and he was like, I want
a woman like that one.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I saw him. He did this matter check and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You did a magic check.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, you did a magic check.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
On me, while using his date as like his his
you know, so she was like, I knew you always
had a thing for her. But either way, that night
we like super connected. But we stayed dating our people
for about a year. Finally, about a year later, it
was after like a fashion event that we ran each other.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I was like, I'm going to Hevingways.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I was like you should come, and I was
like live a little bit and he came and we
like danced all night and then we had told each
other that we had feelings for each other. And then
eventually I told the guy that I was eating and
I said like, I'm so sorry I have feelings for
someone else. And he was like actually, he was like
and he was such a beautiful human and he was
so like it was exactly what I did in that
(24:41):
time my life and I'm so grateful that relationship. But
he was like you know what, He was like, I
see that for you, and I think that you're going
to marry him. And I was like, oh, he like
totally gave me his blessing and then fast forward we
got married.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's wow, he said.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He goes. He either said I think you're going to
have his baby one or I think you're gonna get
married one of the two we did one of those things.
But Gabe, full blessing.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, and you did have a baby.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, we had a baby right three?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Which I also asked you about when we met because
I was like so sure that I need to have
a girl. And having a boy is like the greatest
thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's a love affair that is indescribable. I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Believable.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And he just entered the cuddle vase. He's never wanted
a cuddle. It started two nights ago. I just got
like my first like.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
In bed, like under the arm, like wrapped around to.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yes, like mommy bear, baby bear, cuddle in this morning
I got out of bed, his little sid don't leave
me here, Like it just happened two nights ago.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And it's like incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I'm gonna make you feel better. Mine is almost
thirteen and my little one is just turned ten, and
they're both under my arms, still wrapped around me literally
every night, every night, in every morning.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So the baby sleep out with you.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So on the on the downlow, I would say, sometimes
they start there, sometimes they just end up there, you know,
And I think Roger just stop fighting it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Sometime midway he was like, you know, okay, I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Send you this video that I just saw the other
day that actually said that the reason why babies are
in your bed is that's where they' supposed to be
in your Every time that they wake up scared and
you cuddle them, you're creating this sense of safety for
them that will be so ingrained in their future. So like,
don't don't not do it because you're not supposed to.
If your baby needs you to comfort them, comfort them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I will do it until they go to college. If
they let me, I will. I'm such a sicko. I
literally cannot let go of them. They make everything better.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They make me just happy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They actually told me that I should go back to styling.
They go, Mommy, the way you talk about styling, Mommy,
you should do it again someday, and yeah, and it's funny.
They go, you know, you style us, but I feel
like you probably want to put pretty long dresses.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Sah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, they haven't seen my show.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Skyler's begging me to watch it, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't think i'm there yet. I think there's too much.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, you know, I have gone back. Like I
think after I met you that night, I was like,
oh that I was like an.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Episode it's wildlid.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
In your studio and the dresses got wet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That was one of the worst days of my life.
I the worst days of my life, and you know,
there were many, but I you know, I mean when
it rained on the globes and I had five clients
in long gowns and then every single picture of every
single one of them was holding an umbrella holding the
train up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I was like, I quit.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You know, It's so weird because I had so much
of my life and my emotion. I think if I
like watch it, it's just going to be like a
this is your life kind of thing, because, like you said,
it's a bit of a.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Blackout for me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The show it was such a hard thing to do
because I was working, like you're working now, right, I
was styling, but I was also like I started my
media business and these other things. But then I had
to shoot the show like five days a week, and
it was sort of like not it took nine months,
(28:30):
you know, and so it was just mental and I
would just be like I need to work, like I
actually need to do my job, you know, But in hindsight,
what it meant to people and what it did for
people for me, makes every bit of it worth it, truthfully,
because it really to know that it had an impact on,
(28:50):
you know, people like you, or people going through the
hardest time in their lives and couldn't get out of bed,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Things like that for me helped me.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Reprioritize is the purpose of what I was doing, you
know what I mean? And I think like it definitely.
I think, in hindsight, really helped redirect and focus my
real mission for everything I do in my job and
for the brand and everything about it and what I
(29:21):
want to always do for women, right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And so.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think, like with styling, I just felt like it was,
like you said, it was like this unknown thing, right.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And so I think for people.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Like you now that are bringing you know, these women
that are so they love you and they support you, right,
and these girls are like your friends. And I think,
you know, it's such an intimate relationship being a stylist,
and I was so personally invested in it, you know,
And like you said, I think it's hard because I
think when you love it that much and you care
(29:54):
about it that much and you care about the people
so much. Right, It's like it's not a fake best friend. Right,
It's like you're in there, you're in the studio. Like
I would sit with my clients till three in the
morning and we would have like you know, champagne to tea,
to breakfast, to this, to that, and like forty outfits
later and like play dress up and all the things,
(30:17):
and then you know, and then these looks would come
out of it, like born out of those moments, you know,
and it's incredibly rewarding, you know, in the sense of
like when your client looks at you and was like, uh,
we did it, or like I've never felt so beautiful,
or like that was a great one, or like you know,
don't you just aren't? Those the pinchman moments. For me,
(30:39):
those were the pinchmy moments, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
And in a thousand percent I always say that, Like
for me, the only like I don't read comments.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't read like now you can't, you can't, you can't,
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
The only thing that matters to me is that they're happy.
And when they tell you that they're happier, they felt
like a million backs of the day or like wesically
like any of those things.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I like, that's when I'm just.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Like, oh, like it'll change my whole day. Like I'm
so happy when they are happy, and like I.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Know, like that's a sign of.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like real love, you know, or just like listen, I
think at the end of the day, you're living your dream.
Now you launch a jewelry line called Mega, which I
personally love and like I literally opened it and put
it on, and so I think now, like obviously starting
(31:28):
the jewelry line, you're starting to I think, look at Okay,
so what's another passion and what am I doing? Right
Cause it's because it's a big jump, right like whenever
you start to divert from what you're doing, you're like, Okay,
this is scary, but I'm doing it.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It felt like the right thing for me because I
really feel like I found my place in fashion where
I'm supposed to be. I think that creating a fashion
line would have been it would have been so conflicting
to my creativity. And I think that I've always been
passionate about Julie for me, like it's super sentimental and
it's it's what I've like splurged on when I like
(32:07):
want something to like signify something like for me, I
asked for jewelry for a graduation, for you know, my
thirtieth birthday, for my thirty fifth birthday, anything it's significant
to me, my push gift Valentine's Day, Like all I
want are a.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Little I get, usually like a ring or something that
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I thought I would stack them all way which of
those little pieces were like memories and accomplishments and meaningful
parts of my timeline. And that's how it really started
with me stacking a bunch of rings, because everything really
had a backstory of like a meeting to me, and
I just felt like, you know, my mom is a
Julie designer for the past ten years. She pivoted after
she sold her business, and it just always felt like
(32:47):
something sentimental and personal to me. And it felt like
just a no brainer of like where I should be
and what I should be doing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And so my mom and I partnered on this together.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
She does all production and I do creative and we
bounced obviously like ideas together.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
But that's so fun. That is so much fun.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I did not know that even talk more every day,
So it's great.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I did not know that, so why the name Mega?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So Vogue had called me a mega wat stilast And
that was like one of those moments where I was
like did you read that? I?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And I even have to like google it. I was like,
what does Mega want me? Because I know this like
you know, a title, but like let me just read
into it.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And it was it was after that article, I was
like what am I doing with myself?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Like what is text? You know?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And so when I was putting together all my creative
boards and you know, every folder, I would just put
Mega because that's just kind of like. That was at
that moment where I was like, okay, let's let's do something,
and so all my folders and we did so much
like you know those like name searching diagram. I mean
I was doing French, I was doing and we did
(34:07):
Mega in French, but I speak French and I was
doing Italian. I was doing everything, and I was just
trying to find the right word, and I kept coming
back to Mega because for me, it just felt like
so like large than life, one of a kind, strong, bold,
like the four letters was just so crisp to me,
and it felt like who the woman was with someone
that was like minimal but strong and bold and confident
(34:32):
and just felt right. So I did so much searching
and I came back to that, to that word. I
love that you're so sweet. One day, I hope I'll
get to like ask you more questions or so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You can ask me anything anytime, seriously, anytime. We'll go
for a glass of shamps and talk the top, talk
the dog, because god, there's talk. But yeah, I promise
to do that.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I think that if I I could like leave with
like one idea of like this business, but I feel
like I always like struggle with like what I could
do to like share my story because I can't even
tell you how many people, Like probably once a week
I get an email.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's like, how do I be you for like.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
My store, I mean, for my school project, or like
could I just ask you what you know, like what
your experience was, Like I know that there's so many
people dying to hear these stories, and nonetheless I could
never have each of these individual conversations. I always try
to think about, like what platform I could share like
the true story with.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And I think that one of the.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Questions when we were discussing, like what we would talk
about was just like what are your three pieces of advice?
And I feel like if I could just share with
the kiddos, I feel like the three things is like
for me, which have really been like tried and true,
is like to be kind you know?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Is that I think that when people.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Let their ego change, like what their intention is, you know,
these relationships with your team, with the showrooms, with the stores,
with the designers, with your clients, with their assistants, Like
all of these relationships is what CRAFTI your entire business, right,
It crafts who you are, where you will go, and
what you will succeed with. And I just feel like
sometimes people forget they think that they're better than someone,
(36:17):
or that they're in a different position than someone, and
like we are all in a web working together, and
it would not be possible without each of those people.
If the designers weren't making the clothes, if the showrooms
weren't wrapping them, at the store associates weren't helping you,
if the assistant wasn't scheduling the fitting, Like we are
all in this together and we have to treat everyone
like kindness and respect and like that those relationships will
(36:39):
lead to like your success in a genuine way, like
you can't. You have to really care from your heart.
If you don't like it, won't it just won't be genuine.
But when you really do care and you really find
that respect for everyone like that is so pivotal. I
think to success, I always say like, give everything, go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
No want to I want to comment on that, because
the best of the best are always the kindest and
I can tell you that firsthand.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And your reputation is all you have to stand on
in business, and it's people can see when you're not
genuine they can, And so kindness is first and foremost,
literally the most important thing you do in business, and
it's treating the person at craft services, the person doing
the lighting, the the person at the door.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And people that think otherwise will never ever ever last
in the business, especially today in days of past. Maybe
you can be an asshole, you cannot be an asshole.
You have to treat people with kindness, but genuine and
first and foremost. And Peter Limberg, I have to tell you,
was the best example of that because he was the kindest,
most brilliant photographer and working with him was such a
(37:49):
gift because the way that he talked to people, the
way that he treated people, how gentle he was, how
kind he was to every single person on set, no ego, nothing,
And I tell anyone that will listen, in any position,
that that's how you win. You will last forever if
you if you are good to people.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Everyone.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah, I walk off set and like I like all
the griff and like the team. I'm like, good shops
to you guys, like you killed it because if it weren't,
I'm doing epic writing like what it's my fashion saying.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You know it's true if everything.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
One is so important And I really, like wholeheartedly believe that,
and I'm glad you even brought off like you know,
the crafty behind the scenes people like all in it together.
There is no one I don't care you're.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Following or what.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
There is no one more valuable on the set than
anyone else. True except for the talent that we're all
we're all bare. And then I think, like giving everything
one hundred and ten percent, I feel like I can't
tell you how many times I would like it'd be
the end of the day, the last or after like
(38:54):
three days of like out and about and I'd be like, oh,
do I like need to go there? Like my car
is bulled the top, like do I really need to go?
And I can't tell you how many times it'd be
the last stop and that would be.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
The look like of course, and I thank god, like
I never gave up.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I did everything over and above into what you were
saying your clients, like you gave them like you went
over and above, and like I know my clients know
that I do that. I know that they know I'm
thinking about them all the time. That like when I'm
not on a job with them, I'm still thinking about them.
And when I do a job, I like work from
it from the moment they tell me to, like the
finish line, like it's it's so important because like every
(39:35):
detail tells the whole story.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And like I always like leave no rock and turn.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
And then I think to what you just said about
like your reputation, like it's the one thing you can't buy.
And once that reputation like is gone, there's nothing you
can do to fix it. And I think a lot
of people think that this is some race and they
think that because there's Instagram now that like there's this
immediate satisfaction that like they can like they should be
(39:59):
a sturtplace so fast, and it's like it's a marathon
and there's no.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
One thing that will like get you to the end.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
You have to you need every little step along the
way because you learn from every step, and everything that
you do, you like learn so much from and everything
you do is valuable. And I just think that you
have to like give everything it's full like experience, because
it will lead to something else. And you have to
like understand the longevity of your career. If you want
(40:29):
a long career.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Ye say yes, you're coming up, say yes to everything
for you everything.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
And I think what's like so crazy is that there
were so many times where I.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Like wanted to quit or I wanted.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
To like up because it was an incredibly different time.
If you remember, all we had was a website, right,
there was no Instagram, So if.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I went I had a portfolio.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
I remember having my pri at all book that I
would bring into an office. It was so differing, and
if I was so discouraged because I would go do
something great, right, I would. I remember I was working
with Douglas Kirtland, who was the last photographer to shoot
Maryland Monroe, and we would do these incredible things together.
I was shooting with for you know, I was so
(41:19):
young and we were doing like Vanity Fair, but I
had no one to show it to, right, I would
do this amazing story and then there was no platform.
It would be in a magazine, great, like someone would
read the magazine, but there was no way to show
anyone like look what I'm doing and.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Look what I'm capable of doing.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
So I had to grow my entire business by every
time going on set and someone being like this girl
is so great, you should use her. This girl is
so great tiger, And that's obviously what happened. And it
would come from the publicist or the makeup person or
are the assistant, like everything said to something. But it
took a really, really long time because there was no
platform to show people what you could do. When today
(41:56):
these little girls are dressing themselves and they're like.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You know, look right, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
But it was such a long process and I had
it was really hard and I bloodsweet and tears.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Like my husband was telling me these stories like do
you'se like do you remember?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Like literally I checked everything myself and like checked in
and out, like I did everything myself, you know, like
I literally grew this entire thing myself, and I don't
I don't forget those things. And and I think that
a lot of people today like are racing and it's like,
so it will come. I promise you it will come
(42:33):
if you're if you follow those steps, if you're a
good person, if you give it one hundred percent, if
you do business the right way, like if you say
yes to every opportunity, like your pie will come.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I promise it's true.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
But you have listen, I scream at every mountaintop, you
got to do the work. You gotta do the work
you got. You have to do that work. And that
is the biggest problem with this generation right now. I'm
sorry to generalize, but like it's across the board, in
every in every industry. And I think to your point,
because everyone's looking at highlight reils right on social media
(43:05):
and you know, you still have to do the brick
by brick. It can be faster than it was for us,
but like it's just blood, sweat and tears at the
end of the day, and you have to do it
that way because you learn from it you grow from it.
I was taping little taxi receipts and food receipts for like,
for like one hundred thousand dollars wardrobe budgets, and I
(43:27):
would turn in like a hundred pages of like xerox
paper on both sides with a glastick of all my expenses,
and Roger would help me because I suck at math,
and like, you know, amongst rolling rocks and shoes and
like you know, living in New York and so you know,
I think that those things are the things that shape you.
(43:49):
So it's like to your point, it's like I say
to people coming up, it's like those like sort of
war wounds are what makes you really and it makes
you rightful.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And I read this one quote. It was actually I
think from like a painter or no.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
It was something that was like it was basically an artist,
and he was like he was justifying his rate, right,
And he was like, you're not paying for my rate
for what I'm doing today and tomorrow, you're paying for
everything I have learned along this entire way and everything
that I'm going to like all of the knowledge that
I have at this level to the table. So I
(44:28):
feel like when it's like people at our level, I've
been doing this for over fifteen years, Like when you're
asking for a certain rate, it's because, like you have
so much experience, Like if I know I need something,
I know exactly where to get it, how to get
in the best version of it, because I've done it
so many times. And I feel like the younger people
(44:48):
when they like think they should get the same rates
as us, I'm like you, you there are so many
experiences that you've never been in that you won't even
know how to handle that, like like have grace, have patients,
like it will come, but it's I have so many
layers of like everything that I have that I've experienced to.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Be to am right now.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's the wisdom. It's the wisdom.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And I like to say the war wounds for better,
for better or for worse, but they're there and I
think it's what makes us. And I think it's again
the same in any industry, and I think you have
to you have to put it in and I you know, again,
the stars stand out and ultimately you stand out and
(45:33):
you're crushing it and the girls know it and it's
and you love it and you love it and you're
doing it and and you're building mega with your mom,
which is so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
If you told me, like you know when they say, like,
where do you see yourself in five years? Like I do,
think there's something so real right because like the things
that like I I if you told me for my clients,
I'd be like.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
You're crazy, and it's a dream. I'm living this dream.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
And then on top of it, like I consult for
this huge company that's incredibly exciting for me. I'm a
creative director of this huge company that's exciting for me, and.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I realized to say what it is.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Or I am.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
A fashion consultant for Sony Pictures amazing, I am just
took on the role creative director for Joe's Jean's amazing.
I launched my Jeli brand, and I have a dream
stiling business and it's like it's just so incredible because
if you had asked me five years ago, I would say.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Don't I know.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I would have said I would love to creative direct
for a brand and I would love to consult like
those were I thought the next step of things like
a bigger picture project, and I have these bigger picture projects.
So it's really incredible to like forecast and to like
put your heart in something I don't think about on
the daily, but it probably like.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
In the realm, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, it's funny because I
don't know that I ever projected, and I think it's
amazing to see that you kind of you had that
idea that that's what you wanted to do for the
next step, and it happened. And I think it's also
patience because it's also not saying tomorrow right, you're saying
in my five year, I hope to be doing this right.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, so now I got to set my next five years.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I believe it's called manifesting, right. I believe it's called manifesting.
I'm trying this so far I suck at it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I have to say no.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
But I think it's like it's things that just like
sink into your system, you know what I mean. Like
it's not like pacing it. It's not like you're like
this like if you're looking for like it won't happen.
It just like you like think about it, you say it,
you feel it, and then you like go live it.
And I just think that, you know, maybe it's working.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Working Danny, it's working and you're a mama, and you're married,
and it's all the things. I feel like, you're living
all the dreams. So pinch yourself now. Pinch yourself now
so that you remember that you're living all the things
in all the dreams.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
It's also so interesting is that I don't. I think
one of the other reasons of my success is that
I don't think about it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Is that I don't.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
I don't ever like I've never changed, Like you know,
I don't wear makeup.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I don't like I wear flats like or right, I
like to.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Wear hell, you're also like five ten, yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like I just like I just I'm so focused on
like what I'm doing that I've never I've never thought
about the global I've never thought about I don't think
about the clients that way. I just think, like, this
is my job and I need to go give it
one hundred percent. And like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I've never changed in that respect, and you can't.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
If you start thinking about it, right you read the
comments of this, you could psych yourself out, like you
just have to be like focus on what you're doing.
And I and I think that that's another reason why
like I've been able to just keep pushing.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Is that because I don't think about it.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
I just like I just stay focused on what I'm
doing and like push to the next thing and keep
and just keep going.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know, you kind of just do it. You've got
to live it, you've got to be it. You've got
to do it, and don't ever think it. And to
your point, I think, I don't know. I just the
only thing I could say to you is just recognize
what's happening, because I never did.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I never did.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
There's this thing called the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, yes, I know it well.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
I know it well, and I think sometimes we all
just feel like that and we're like wait, and then
people say these things too.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
You're like huh.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's very real. It's like very real, and
I'm just like wait, you know, like I said, but
if you told me this is my life, I wouldn't
believe you.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know, I'm just well, you better believe it, honey,
because you are climbing in fucking flats, but you are
in your mega jewelry and styling, mega supermodels and actors
and musicians and all the things, and living all your
wildest fucking dreams. So I'm happy for you and I
(49:59):
love watching it, and I'm happy I met you, and
I'm happy I got to talk to you today. And
then we have to have like an offline.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, this is one of those like pitchments. I know
that like every day, but really for.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Me, this means so much to like talk to you
into like I'm like Rachel's own knows who I am.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I feel like I'm so swear.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I know who you are and I adore you, and
I love what you're doing and I'm so happy about it.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
And I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
For me to just see someone that loves it so much,
like truthfully, not to sound like a mom, but like
that actually fulfills me the most. And to know that
I had any part of that from the beginning, it's
just makes me even it makes me feel like so
much is worth what I've been through.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Even ohh like that's when street Style started, like all
of that, you know, like listen, it all happened the
same time with this perfect storm of like the internet,
you know, all the things in time, you know, and
you're just at the crux of this like change.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Our business just changed and you were right there in
the center of it.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, I love it, and I adore you, and I
love your passion. I see it coming out of your
eyes and your skin and your smile. But I'm just
impressed with you. I love what you do. I love
how you dress all the girls, I love your collaborations,
and I'm excited to just continue to watch you fly
(51:26):
and sore and do all the things. It's so good.
I know that you have a friend on the sidelines
over here. Okay, everyone, it's that time in the show
when I answer two listener questions, so let's see what
we have today. Okay, this is funny. Do you typically
(51:48):
tailor all of your pants and jackets or do you
wear things straight off the hangar. I definitely do tailor things,
for sure, Believe it or not. I'm incredibly lazy about it,
and I typically wait until, like you know, the day
before I have to wear something. If it's for something visible,
I'll get it tailored. But I more so tailored gowns
(52:09):
for major events rather than my everyday clothes. And because
I am I just wear higher heels so that I
don't have to have my pants.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Truth.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yes, yes, As a stylist, for one hundred years. I
don't barely tailor my own clothes.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Fun fact.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, what's your advice on listening to your instincts as
a young person just starting my professional career when it's
easier to be a people pleaser most of the time.
That's a really, really good question and a very hard
one to answer, because I think as somebody starting out,
you almost have.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
To be a people pleaser. You really do.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
When you are first starting out and learning, very often
your opinions you have to keep to yourself and vent
them to your safe person at home.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You really have to respect.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
And listen to the person that you're working and learning from,
and then know that if your instincts were right and
you did the opposite based on what you were told
to do, then just take it as a learning lesson
and use it as your sort of inner arsenal of
knowledge when you go out on your own or to
your next job. But I do think that a big
(53:28):
problem for the young generation starting out now is that
they come in really thinking they know so much, and sometimes.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
They very well do.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
But I think the last thing someone who is like
a very seasoned veteran in a job wants to hear
is like a twenty two year old sort of like
shooting off their mouth about what they think they should do.
Now that said, in the work environment that we are
trying to nurture, now, I know, for me, all of
my team, I love their opinions. I love their opinions,
(53:59):
and you their opinions, and very often I really take
what they say and I really use it and it
really impacts my overall decision because it's a fresh perspective,
it's a younger perspective, and quite frankly, I think we
really need that, you know, because it is a new
world and it's a new way of looking at things.
And so I think that if you have a good boss,
(54:23):
your boss will empower you and ask for your input.
And whether they choose to take it or not, that's
up to them. But trust me when I tell you,
they will know if you added something valuable.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
They will know and they will remember, and so will you.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
So don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode.
All you have to do is dm us your questions
to at Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram and I
might just answer your question. Thank you so much to
Danny for being on the pod today is just the
(55:02):
real deal. She's as genuine as it comes, and I
have to tell you, for the first time in life,
I actually felt like I was talking to myself.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
It was actually.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Really a bit surreal, like the way she was answering questions.
I literally felt like it was my answers like it was.
It was actually a bit surreal for me to have
this conversation, but I loved it so much because it's
her passion is so genuine. Her work ethic is unparalleled,
(55:31):
and you know, I think so many of her points
are so important because when your clients know how much
they mean to you and how much you think about
them when you're not on the clock, I think that
really is what matters. And she works really, really, really hard.
I really loved her takeaways about being kind, giving one
hundred and ten percent, and keeping your.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Reputation solid gold.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
So don't forget to write a review wherever you get
your podcasts. It really helps us out and they love
reading them. So while you're at it, follow me in
at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing and Hails pod on
Instagram for more updates on upcoming guest episodes.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
And all things care ature, I'll see you next week.
Come on,
Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Spring is almost here, and I have just the thing
to help you head into the season in style. My
spring Box is filled with my favorite fashion and beauty items,
all curated to make you feel polished and put together.
There's a sheep bag, chain link, jewelry, soothing, skincare, and
so much more. Altogether, this collection of products is valued
(00:24):
at over six hundred dollars. When you sign up for
an annual membership by February thirteen, you'll pay just three
ninety nine for an entire year. You'll start with my
spring Box, then receive new curations in summer fall. Don't wait,
sign up now at curetor dot com. That seur at
(00:45):
eur dot com. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Dough and you're
listening to Climbing in Heels. The show is all about
celebrating the most extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their
incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today
(01:08):
in the pod, I'm talking to one of the most
talented and badass celebrities, stylists, Danny Michelle. Her clients include
just a few people that you've heard of, Hailey Bieber,
Kendall Jenner, Alsa hask Just to name a few. Danny
has carved out a pretty incredible career in fashion, and
her story is so inspiring in general, but of course
(01:29):
especially if you are interested in fashion styling or just
the editorial world.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Her new jewelry line Mega is so perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I literally wear her pieces almost every day. I always
love chatting with another stylist. It's really just like revisiting,
you know, my past. And I just love her passion,
I love her love for the game, her work ethic.
She's so impressive. So let's get into it. So I
(02:04):
just want to, first without digging too much into your
early early beginnings, like what on earth made you start
to do this?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And like at what point? Like where where did you
grow up?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
First of all, so I grew up really in theotomic Maryland.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
When we went to school in DC. My friends lived in DC,
I worked in DC. So I felt like DC was
my home. It's what I always say. And so I'm
an East girl.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That makes sense. That that definitely makes sense. But by
the way, sorry DC, but I would never consider it
a fashion city.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
No, no, However, I really think that it plays a
huge role in my perspective in fashion because we had
a huge music scene. So it was like the man
that I could rebel and I had a very like
liberal high school. So we were going to concerts on
Tuesday nights of like some of the best bands, like
like Things, people that headline Coachella, you know, two thousand
(02:58):
and twenty ten were like I was in a small,
one hundred person little room with them, and so I
had this influence of music and then at the same time,
I had this really like manicured, sophisticated perspective of like,
you know, a very proper upbringing. So I feel like
those two depositions of being like really poised and polished
(03:19):
and then all being like a rebel and unique.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like come together and that was a huge part of
being in DC for me.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So you come from a family that's a little more
like traditional and proper.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Oh yeah, like holidays, like skirts below my knees, like
nothing could show from like neck to anywhere, like stock
takes packed elbows off the table.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Really yeah, okay, I would I would never get that.
I would never get that from you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You do not give off that vibe.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
My family was Southern, and it was just like very
expect with high expectations of like you know where you
come from it and how you need to act that lady,
and in a really positive way, you know, with really
strong ethics worlds.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know, which quite frankly I crave. And you know,
I actually took my kids out of a very progressive
school and put them in a very traditional school because
I actually really I just I love manners.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I love manners and I and I love when people
look at you when you say hello to them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I do like that, I do, But I do think,
but I think that I think there's a balance, you know,
I think there's a balance.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, Like I think the kids that I don't want
to speak to people that like, I think you always
rebel from what.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Of course you know, of course whatever you were.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Of course, I think that as long as we started
in a really like we had a really good upbringing,
then you find your path where you're supposed to be,
and you go somewhere, you find your own world. But
I really love and I'm super grateful for that space
that it gave me.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And so when did you leave? When did you leave DC? Maryland?
Like were you Like, I'm out of here. I don't
want to live here forever? Were you like, maybe I
should try.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I listen, like, I went to the same school from
kindergarten until I was eighteen to senior year and I
went to University of I was gonna go to n YU.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I was like, two, that's what I'm me too.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's also me too.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I went to did you go to NYO?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, my parents wouldn't let me. They said, New York's
not going anywhere see it. When you get back, you're
not saying where'd you go? I went to I went
to George Washington because they were like, well they well,
I said, okay, I'll go to.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
LA and they were like, fuck, no, you're not. They
were like, because you will never come home. We will
never see you again. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So like no, no New York City and no LA.
So I was like, okay, what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I'm from New York and New Jersey from Short Hills.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Oh my god, so my mom my mom moved to Livingston,
so I know.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Next door, you know it. Oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I went to you just to like hang out
with a friend that was already in college, and I
got to this that was like straight out it looked
like saved by the bell. To me, I was like,
oh my god, grass and palm trees and fountains, and.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I was like saved by the college literacy.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So I got there and loved it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I made like great friends and I'm still girl friends
with today and and had like an awesome experience because
it was very like in a city. So we went
to Miami all the time. And I feel like I
had this like beautiful few years where I was like
partly a child and partly an adult.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know. I had a job and I went out
and I was in the city.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But then I also like fell back into my college
life and college campus and it was a perfect mix.
I feel like of like transition from child to adult.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's what I always say about college, to be honest.
For me, like the biggest purpose the college serve for
me was growing up like learning to be like independent,
because otherwise you go from being a kid kind of
owned and governed by your parents into the real world, right,
and you're like, wow, you know, so I.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Just go to these and again not just speak on
someone else's experience, but like if you're just in these
small towns where you just live with a school life.
It probably is like a shock still look like adult
life versus school life.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I really also.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Love you know, I believe everything happens as it should,
and I think that it was a great school for
me as far as the transition of my life.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And then you were like, Okay, so new York, here
I come. I'm coming because I'm going to go to
New York.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
With everyone from DC goes to New York. That's like
the natural progression, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And I had interned in New York at the time.
I got internship at seventeen magazine, which was like, you know,
twenty years ago, that was it and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I was at IM so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Why that that was my team.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's my only job I have had.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
My only job I ever had, I worked at I
worked at y M magazine and I started as a
fashion assistant in the closet three days a week, and
then I left a senior fashion editor and I went
freelance at twenty five MM.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oha job, the job I ever had.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I was in the accessories apartment and one day, like
I was the first to get there the last one
to leave. Not because I was trying to prove something,
just because I was like so into it. And one
day they had to bring someone to set and they
were like, she's coming to set, and I didn't even
know what the word set meant.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I was like, okay, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I got to set and someone was there. They were
having a photoshoot. They were dressing you know, the models,
and I was like, this is a job to tell
people what to wear.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's called the setting. At the time, it was the
sittings editor.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, and I wanted to write that magazine. That's like
what I really had wanted to do. I love writing,
and that's where I thought my career would go and
I would work at a magazine because I thought you
wanted to work at fashion.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You wrote for a magazine.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I don't know how how the photos all there. I
don't even know what I thought, but I think that
when you and I spoke, like it was such a
different time that like no one talked about a stylist.
We didn't know what it was. And your show was
in two thousand and eight, was the year I graduated.
It all came at this like perfect storm of like
I knew I wanted to be it, and then you
(09:20):
showed the world what it was, and you kind of
madd this lane for us to be for it to
be spoken about. So at that point when I was interning,
is when I learned about being a stylist. And I
was like, Okay, that's what i'll go do and that's
what I want to do, and I'll do that in
New York. But before I do that, like I'm going
to go to like LA and have one year in LA,
kind of like before I become an adult, like transition
(09:44):
from like I don't just felt I was kind of
this one year and then I've never left.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I've never left, no way. And were you single? Were
you single when you came to La?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I had never been here, did not know one person.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yet out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, And I and I got this apartment off of
my space.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
This girl, this girl had this really great like you know,
fashion music, MySpace blog and I was like, she needed
a roommate and.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I took the spot.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
How wild is that?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
See?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
When I moved here, I had I had a whole
life here because I had spent I moved here because
I was spending like eighty percent of my time here styling.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I was like, why am I going back? And forth.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I've always wanted to live here, and here I am
twenty years later, so it kind of eats you that way.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It's crazy that you're interviewing me because the first time
we met, like I was asking you one million questions.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And you were so I was an episode where you've
told your whole story.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
So I can go watch it because for like a week,
I like kept thinking about everything you were saying.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Your story is.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So incredible and so sweet, legendary. Really, the experience you
have so legendary. And when you write a book, I
would be the.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
First a buy it or whatever I have too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's what I'm sending you when we hang up, I'm
going to send you. I'm going to send you Style
eight z O and Living in Style.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And well, no, no, no, I had Style eight. I bought
that because that came That came out.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
A decade ago.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It came out when you graduated. It came out. I
think my first book, I want to say it was
two thousand and eight or two thousand and nine, and
then two thousand and twelve or thirteen because I was
pregnant with Kayas.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So yeah, definitely bought your first book.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You mean my narrow book.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, like, is there a book where you tell? I
don't remember what that now, but I definitely.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Everyone wants me to do a tell, but it's like
I'd get arrested.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I can't. Like I could do one without names, or
I could tell you know the story. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It's interesting because it is kind of interesting because it's
very similar. My story is similar to yours in the
way that I like, I didn't really know what I
wanted to do, right, and so then I think at
the end of the day, I sort of fell into it,
fell in love with it. Definitely did not know what
a stylist was. And to your point, the reason I
(12:08):
started the show was because it was actually the last
thing I said i'd ever do right, Like, never in
any life would I want a camera on me, Like
put it on the client.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And then I was like, you know what, why is
everyone so so confused about this industry? Like there has
to be some democratization of what this is. It has
to be more relatable to more people, you know, And
I have to explain the genius of the designers behind
the curtain because they are genius and that's why everybody
(12:38):
looks this way, you know, And so I don't know
that was sort of the goal of it. And I
think for me to hear you and so many other amazing,
you know, young stylists that I adore sort of want
to or or be more motivated to become a stylist
from that is like for me, there's no better reward
(12:59):
that I could get forever doing it because oh so
hard five years, but it's not easy to do.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You're so sweet, it's just really unbelievable, like even for me,
Like it's like for me, it is not past me
that I'm speaking to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like the legend herself.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You're the cutest. Well let's talk about you. So okay,
So here you are.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You graduate, you moved to LA and you basically think
you're going for a year to just do this and
become a stylist because you now that you've figured out
what it is, so you moved to LA. You get
this room from a random person on MySpace, which is
just you know, wild, but people do do that. I mean, listen,
you know Jen Akins story, She like rolled here in
(13:41):
a car and was like with like three hundred dollars
or something like lived in her car, and here she
is like, you didn't even know, like you didn't have
a client at that point, so like, what are you doing,
by the way, wait, important question here because I think
this is very important, Like you didn't have a client,
you came to LA because to me, that's actually terrifying.
(14:02):
And your parents were they like my daughter's lost her mind,
like because a lot of parents do not support the insanity, right,
but you have the bug, right, and you know you
said you're you didn't really go by the same rules,
so you sort of were like so you're this like
wild fashion card.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think that, I mean, I know that I have
always been so driven, and I've always like sought after
something and like.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And and made it happen. I think that my.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Mom trusted that she raised me well and that I
would make the right decisions and that if this was
something I was after, she would encourage me to chase
whatever I was looking for.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, we were speaking every day. She was like she
was the phone call I made every day.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
She knew what I was doing, and I didn't really
I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew
that like I wanted to see this part of my
life because I kind of felt that I was going
to go to New York, get an apartment, get a life,
and like just live in New York. I was like,
before I just start my entire next chapter of my life,
let me have like one little adventure. And she supported that.
(15:10):
I don't think anyone thought I wasn't coming back, Like
no one thought that I thought we were. I was
just going to LA for a year, but I moved
here and then I mean, listen, everything I always believe
like happens for a reason at its right time. And
like randomly, the neighbor in the building worked at the
(15:30):
jim Hens a lot and was like, there's a stylus
that needs an assistant. And I don't know if you
know Michelle Tomachevski anyone who does know or has wid brothers,
she is like one of the nicest human beings. I
was like blessed with this, like incredible human too. She
threw me in the deep end we were doing. Her
(15:52):
client was the Jonas Brothers.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And they were like, yeah, the fire, they were on fire,
that's my name backstreet.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Literally and it was you know, talk shows, music videos,
photo shoots, like you know, private planes everything. It was
just like at the top level immediately in the deep end,
and she was just like the nicest human that did
business the right way.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And everywhere I went, I would be like, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
From Michelle, and they'd be like, oh, we love her,
Like isn't she the best ill? And I saw that
respect and I respected her even more the way that
she treated me, the way she cheated other people, the
way that she was her reputation, Like I was like
this is I was just so entry it maybe want
to work so much harder. All I wanted to do
(16:40):
was like be the best I could for her because
she was being the best she could be and it
was just like the best environment. I learned so much
and like still today when she likes my photos and
I'm like, you're still cheering.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's the dream, by the way, Well, it's the dream
to have someone like you and then and then in
turn to support and cheer for you.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
When I knew that's like exactly how I wanted to be,
and I've really never like faltered from it. It's like
being kind is like the number one thing on my like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Requirements should always be and should never changed. No matter
how brutal it could get and does get.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, you have to like.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, I mean I truly believe like yelling at someone
doesn't make them want to like work harder. It probably
shuts people down, you know, and like getting mad, it
doesn't bring anything positive.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right, you have to work through and find solutions.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
You have to encourage them and like say like it's
okay moving forward, Like just work to be your best
team of your best self, and like I think that will,
in my opinion, push people to then be their best selves.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know, well, yeah it didn't in my case, but
but I'm so happy it does for you because because
I'm hoping that it's a bit of a new world.
You know, for me, it's been it's so so fun
to watch you do your thing because you know, I
hadn't known you, and then when I met you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I was like, she's such like a cutie.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like she's meaning Like for me, it's it's you know,
people always ask me like how did you become Rachel's
so why you why did da da da? And Roger
would always answer that, like, well, she outworked everybody. She
never looked at the clock, she never thought of it
as a job. She did ten ten x extra because
that was what the client needed at the time, or
(18:30):
that's what she felt the client needed, right. And I
don't know any of that other than I loved it
so much that it was all I could do, right.
And so when I when I meet someone like you,
I get so sort of like I remember coming home
that night and saying to my husband, like, I met
like the cutest girl. I was like, I was like,
(18:50):
she styles all the girls. I was like, but she
loves what she does, you know, she like loves it.
It's like she loves it. She has the like spark
in her eye she had, like you can tell you
could spot people like that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
There's people that do things because it's a job, and
there's people that do things because they live and die
for it, you know. And I think that there's a
different way that people motivated by the passion and genuine
love for the job end up working right and truthfully
end up succeeding right. And so I think with you,
it's it's very obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
That you love it. So what are like, were there
ever any moments?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So you end up coming here, you never leave, you
end up working for Michelle which is the dream to
work for an incredible stylist because I always say, like,
it's boot camp, right, and especially when you work in
music specifically, it's boot camp.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That was my train That was honestly my training.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I went freelance and right into Brittany and Backstreet and
Jessica Simpson and in Sync and all all of.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
All of that, and Enrique and Enrique, and it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Was just like, as you said, like limitless budgets, music videos,
album covers, private planes, You're going to Monaco for twenty
four hours, You're flying here for three hours and you're
getting back. It was like I definitely aged like twenty
years in five years, and I definitely didn't sleep. And
it was the most insane amount of money. It was
the most insane like working out. It was just always
(20:21):
working right. And but I will say it was the
grad school. It was the grad school for styling. It
was because you had to be prepared for everything, right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, I want to hear those stories, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So there are so many stories there are.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Which is crazy, Like someone just asked me something yesterday
and I'm like, like I can't. There was a country
I've open to, Croatia. I can't even remember going to Croatia.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Oh my god. That happened to me the other day.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Someone was like, oh my god, I'm dying to go
to Prague. And then literally like someone goes, Rachel, didn't
you go there for like a broad pitchot? And I'm like,
I did. I actually went there. I did go there.
I was there for two weeks. What was your favorite part?
I'm like, I remember a bridge and a hotel and
literally that's it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A bridge at There's.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So much I always say, is that because we're like
so detail oriented, Like in my office there's thousands of
pieces and I could like tell you a backstory about
fings one of the things, what job they came from?
Like like sometimes when we do like purges and I'm
like no, no, no, you guys. I'm like this piece
and like I have such insane short term like there
(21:37):
is nothing you could ask me that I wouldn't know
going on that.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think that it's like for my long term.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Has like yeah, away, it won't come back to you
till people interview you, like and all of a sudden,
it's a little bit of like this is your life.
Like I'll be like, Rachel, you did this and you
did this album and you were here dressing them for this,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
M, you're right. I was. You're absolutely right. I was.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it's so funny, like sometimes you have this moment,
but it does. It did teach me sort of like
as I move forward in work, like try to like
try to experience it, you know what I mean. Tried it,
but it's hard. You can't because it's it's like this,
and especially when you know, being a stylist, you're in
the service business, right, so it's it's you you almost
take your whole self out, you go, what do you need?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Who needs this? D D DA?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Right like and it's it's like flashes of light that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Honestly is like such like an important sentence.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So I think a lot of people a forget that,
like you know, service business.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
From the perspective of like how hard we give.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like sometimes when I come home, I'm just so drained
because my whole day is emotionally and mentally and creatively
giving to other people. And I think that also like
for the younger generation that forgets like this is a
really hard job.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It is hard, difficult, And.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I think that going back to what you said, it's
like only the people that like are really passionate about
it and that are not just chasing the money but
chasing their creativity and their relationships and the connections, and
like the moment is like when when they'll succeed because
you have to give it one hundred and ten percent
and it takes a.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Lot, a lot out of you.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So it's like we have to be really dedicated and
really want it and really care.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you are married, correct, I am tell me everything?
So where did you meet Prince Tremy?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
We met? It's like it's like another whole podcast on itself,
so I'll.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Keep it that we met at a dinner party. I
was on a first date and he was on a
second date. I showed up like on the back of
this motorcycle as an Italian man, and he was like,
I came out in my rigel, I took the helmet off.
I like shook my hair so like my hair wasn't flat,
and he saw me and he was like, I want
a woman like that one.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I saw him. He did this matter check and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You did a magic check.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, you did a magic check.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
On me, while using his date as like his his
you know, so she was like, I knew you always
had a thing for her. But either way, that night
we like super connected. But we stayed dating our people
for about a year. Finally, about a year later, it
was after like a fashion event that we ran each other.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I was like, I'm going to Hevingways.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I was like you should come, and I was
like live a little bit and he came and we
like danced all night and then we had told each
other that we had feelings for each other. And then
eventually I told the guy that I was eating and
I said like, I'm so sorry I have feelings for
someone else. And he was like actually, he was like
and he was such a beautiful human and he was
so like it was exactly what I did in that
(24:41):
time my life and I'm so grateful that relationship. But
he was like you know what, He was like, I
see that for you, and I think that you're going
to marry him. And I was like, oh, he like
totally gave me his blessing and then fast forward we
got married.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's wow, he said.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He goes. He either said I think you're going to
have his baby one or I think you're gonna get
married one of the two we did one of those things.
But Gabe, full blessing.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, and you did have a baby.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, we had a baby right three?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Which I also asked you about when we met because
I was like so sure that I need to have
a girl. And having a boy is like the greatest
thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's a love affair that is indescribable. I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Believable.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And he just entered the cuddle vase. He's never wanted
a cuddle. It started two nights ago. I just got
like my first like.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
In bed, like under the arm, like wrapped around to.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yes, like mommy bear, baby bear, cuddle in this morning
I got out of bed, his little sid don't leave
me here, Like it just happened two nights ago.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And it's like incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I'm gonna make you feel better. Mine is almost
thirteen and my little one is just turned ten, and
they're both under my arms, still wrapped around me literally
every night, every night, in every morning.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So the baby sleep out with you.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So on the on the downlow, I would say, sometimes
they start there, sometimes they just end up there, you know,
And I think Roger just stop fighting it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Sometime midway he was like, you know, okay, I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Send you this video that I just saw the other
day that actually said that the reason why babies are
in your bed is that's where they' supposed to be
in your Every time that they wake up scared and
you cuddle them, you're creating this sense of safety for
them that will be so ingrained in their future. So like,
don't don't not do it because you're not supposed to.
If your baby needs you to comfort them, comfort them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I will do it until they go to college. If
they let me, I will. I'm such a sicko. I
literally cannot let go of them. They make everything better.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
They make me just happy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They actually told me that I should go back to styling.
They go, Mommy, the way you talk about styling, Mommy,
you should do it again someday, and yeah, and it's funny.
They go, you know, you style us, but I feel
like you probably want to put pretty long dresses.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Sah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, they haven't seen my show.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Skyler's begging me to watch it, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't think i'm there yet. I think there's too much.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, you know, I have gone back. Like I
think after I met you that night, I was like,
oh that I was like an.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Episode it's wildlid.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
In your studio and the dresses got wet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That was one of the worst days of my life.
I the worst days of my life, and you know,
there were many, but I you know, I mean when
it rained on the globes and I had five clients
in long gowns and then every single picture of every
single one of them was holding an umbrella holding the
train up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I was like, I quit.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You know, It's so weird because I had so much
of my life and my emotion. I think if I
like watch it, it's just going to be like a
this is your life kind of thing, because, like you said,
it's a bit of a.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Blackout for me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The show it was such a hard thing to do
because I was working, like you're working now, right, I
was styling, but I was also like I started my
media business and these other things. But then I had
to shoot the show like five days a week, and
it was sort of like not it took nine months,
(28:30):
you know, and so it was just mental and I
would just be like I need to work, like I
actually need to do my job, you know, But in hindsight,
what it meant to people and what it did for
people for me, makes every bit of it worth it, truthfully,
because it really to know that it had an impact on,
(28:50):
you know, people like you, or people going through the
hardest time in their lives and couldn't get out of bed,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Things like that for me helped me.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Reprioritize is the purpose of what I was doing, you
know what I mean? And I think like it definitely.
I think, in hindsight, really helped redirect and focus my
real mission for everything I do in my job and
for the brand and everything about it and what I
(29:21):
want to always do for women, right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And so.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think, like with styling, I just felt like it was,
like you said, it was like this unknown thing, right.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And so I think for people.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Like you now that are bringing you know, these women
that are so they love you and they support you, right,
and these girls are like your friends. And I think,
you know, it's such an intimate relationship being a stylist,
and I was so personally invested in it, you know,
And like you said, I think it's hard because I
think when you love it that much and you care
(29:54):
about it that much and you care about the people
so much. Right, It's like it's not a fake best friend. Right,
It's like you're in there, you're in the studio. Like
I would sit with my clients till three in the
morning and we would have like you know, champagne to tea,
to breakfast, to this, to that, and like forty outfits
later and like play dress up and all the things,
(30:17):
and then you know, and then these looks would come
out of it, like born out of those moments, you know,
and it's incredibly rewarding, you know, in the sense of
like when your client looks at you and was like, uh,
we did it, or like I've never felt so beautiful,
or like that was a great one, or like you know,
don't you just aren't? Those the pinchman moments. For me,
(30:39):
those were the pinchmy moments, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
And in a thousand percent I always say that, Like
for me, the only like I don't read comments.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't read like now you can't, you can't, you can't,
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
The only thing that matters to me is that they're happy.
And when they tell you that they're happier, they felt
like a million backs of the day or like wesically
like any of those things.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I like, that's when I'm just.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Like, oh, like it'll change my whole day. Like I'm
so happy when they are happy, and like I.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Know, like that's a sign of.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like real love, you know, or just like listen, I
think at the end of the day, you're living your dream.
Now you launch a jewelry line called Mega, which I
personally love and like I literally opened it and put
it on, and so I think now, like obviously starting
(31:28):
the jewelry line, you're starting to I think, look at Okay,
so what's another passion and what am I doing? Right
Cause it's because it's a big jump, right like whenever
you start to divert from what you're doing, you're like, Okay,
this is scary, but I'm doing it.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It felt like the right thing for me because I
really feel like I found my place in fashion where
I'm supposed to be. I think that creating a fashion
line would have been it would have been so conflicting
to my creativity. And I think that I've always been
passionate about Julie for me, like it's super sentimental and
it's it's what I've like splurged on when I like
(32:07):
want something to like signify something like for me, I
asked for jewelry for a graduation, for you know, my
thirtieth birthday, for my thirty fifth birthday, anything it's significant
to me, my push gift Valentine's Day, Like all I
want are a.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Little I get, usually like a ring or something that
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I thought I would stack them all way which of
those little pieces were like memories and accomplishments and meaningful
parts of my timeline. And that's how it really started
with me stacking a bunch of rings, because everything really
had a backstory of like a meeting to me, and
I just felt like, you know, my mom is a
Julie designer for the past ten years. She pivoted after
she sold her business, and it just always felt like
(32:47):
something sentimental and personal to me. And it felt like
just a no brainer of like where I should be
and what I should be doing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And so my mom and I partnered on this together.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
She does all production and I do creative and we
bounced obviously like ideas together.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
But that's so fun. That is so much fun.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I did not know that even talk more every day,
So it's great.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I did not know that, so why the name Mega?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So Vogue had called me a mega wat stilast And
that was like one of those moments where I was
like did you read that? I?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And I even have to like google it. I was like,
what does Mega want me? Because I know this like
you know, a title, but like let me just read
into it.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And it was it was after that article, I was
like what am I doing with myself?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Like what is text? You know?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And so when I was putting together all my creative
boards and you know, every folder, I would just put
Mega because that's just kind of like. That was at
that moment where I was like, okay, let's let's do something,
and so all my folders and we did so much
like you know those like name searching diagram. I mean
I was doing French, I was doing and we did
(34:07):
Mega in French, but I speak French and I was
doing Italian. I was doing everything, and I was just
trying to find the right word, and I kept coming
back to Mega because for me, it just felt like
so like large than life, one of a kind, strong, bold,
like the four letters was just so crisp to me,
and it felt like who the woman was with someone
that was like minimal but strong and bold and confident
(34:32):
and just felt right. So I did so much searching
and I came back to that, to that word. I
love that you're so sweet. One day, I hope I'll
get to like ask you more questions or so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You can ask me anything anytime, seriously, anytime. We'll go
for a glass of shamps and talk the top, talk
the dog, because god, there's talk. But yeah, I promise
to do that.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I think that if I I could like leave with
like one idea of like this business, but I feel
like I always like struggle with like what I could
do to like share my story because I can't even
tell you how many people, Like probably once a week
I get an email.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's like, how do I be you for like.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
My store, I mean, for my school project, or like
could I just ask you what you know, like what
your experience was, Like I know that there's so many
people dying to hear these stories, and nonetheless I could
never have each of these individual conversations. I always try
to think about, like what platform I could share like
the true story with.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And I think that one of the.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Questions when we were discussing, like what we would talk
about was just like what are your three pieces of advice?
And I feel like if I could just share with
the kiddos, I feel like the three things is like
for me, which have really been like tried and true,
is like to be kind you know?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Is that I think that when people.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Let their ego change, like what their intention is, you know,
these relationships with your team, with the showrooms, with the stores,
with the designers, with your clients, with their assistants, Like
all of these relationships is what CRAFTI your entire business, right,
It crafts who you are, where you will go, and
what you will succeed with. And I just feel like
sometimes people forget they think that they're better than someone,
(36:17):
or that they're in a different position than someone, and
like we are all in a web working together, and
it would not be possible without each of those people.
If the designers weren't making the clothes, if the showrooms
weren't wrapping them, at the store associates weren't helping you,
if the assistant wasn't scheduling the fitting, Like we are
all in this together and we have to treat everyone
like kindness and respect and like that those relationships will
(36:39):
lead to like your success in a genuine way, like
you can't. You have to really care from your heart.
If you don't like it, won't it just won't be genuine.
But when you really do care and you really find
that respect for everyone like that is so pivotal. I
think to success, I always say like, give everything, go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
No want to I want to comment on that, because
the best of the best are always the kindest and
I can tell you that firsthand.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And your reputation is all you have to stand on
in business, and it's people can see when you're not
genuine they can, And so kindness is first and foremost,
literally the most important thing you do in business, and
it's treating the person at craft services, the person doing
the lighting, the the person at the door.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And people that think otherwise will never ever ever last
in the business, especially today in days of past. Maybe
you can be an asshole, you cannot be an asshole.
You have to treat people with kindness, but genuine and
first and foremost. And Peter Limberg, I have to tell you,
was the best example of that because he was the kindest,
most brilliant photographer and working with him was such a
(37:49):
gift because the way that he talked to people, the
way that he treated people, how gentle he was, how
kind he was to every single person on set, no ego, nothing,
And I tell anyone that will listen, in any position,
that that's how you win. You will last forever if
you if you are good to people.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Everyone.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah, I walk off set and like I like all
the griff and like the team. I'm like, good shops
to you guys, like you killed it because if it weren't,
I'm doing epic writing like what it's my fashion saying.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You know it's true if everything.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
One is so important And I really, like wholeheartedly believe that,
and I'm glad you even brought off like you know,
the crafty behind the scenes people like all in it together.
There is no one I don't care you're.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Following or what.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
There is no one more valuable on the set than
anyone else. True except for the talent that we're all
we're all bare. And then I think, like giving everything
one hundred and ten percent, I feel like I can't
tell you how many times I would like it'd be
the end of the day, the last or after like
(38:54):
three days of like out and about and I'd be like, oh,
do I like need to go there? Like my car
is bulled the top, like do I really need to go?
And I can't tell you how many times it'd be
the last stop and that would be.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
The look like of course, and I thank god, like
I never gave up.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I did everything over and above into what you were
saying your clients, like you gave them like you went
over and above, and like I know my clients know
that I do that. I know that they know I'm
thinking about them all the time. That like when I'm
not on a job with them, I'm still thinking about them.
And when I do a job, I like work from
it from the moment they tell me to, like the
finish line, like it's it's so important because like every
(39:35):
detail tells the whole story.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And like I always like leave no rock and turn.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
And then I think to what you just said about
like your reputation, like it's the one thing you can't buy.
And once that reputation like is gone, there's nothing you
can do to fix it. And I think a lot
of people think that this is some race and they
think that because there's Instagram now that like there's this
immediate satisfaction that like they can like they should be
(39:59):
a sturtplace so fast, and it's like it's a marathon
and there's no.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
One thing that will like get you to the end.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
You have to you need every little step along the
way because you learn from every step, and everything that
you do, you like learn so much from and everything
you do is valuable. And I just think that you
have to like give everything it's full like experience, because
it will lead to something else. And you have to
like understand the longevity of your career. If you want
(40:29):
a long career.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Ye say yes, you're coming up, say yes to everything
for you everything.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
And I think what's like so crazy is that there
were so many times where I.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Like wanted to quit or I wanted.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
To like up because it was an incredibly different time.
If you remember, all we had was a website, right,
there was no Instagram, So if.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I went I had a portfolio.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
I remember having my pri at all book that I
would bring into an office. It was so differing, and
if I was so discouraged because I would go do
something great, right, I would. I remember I was working
with Douglas Kirtland, who was the last photographer to shoot
Maryland Monroe, and we would do these incredible things together.
I was shooting with for you know, I was so
(41:19):
young and we were doing like Vanity Fair, but I
had no one to show it to, right, I would
do this amazing story and then there was no platform.
It would be in a magazine, great, like someone would
read the magazine, but there was no way to show
anyone like look what I'm doing and.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Look what I'm capable of doing.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
So I had to grow my entire business by every
time going on set and someone being like this girl
is so great, you should use her. This girl is
so great tiger, And that's obviously what happened. And it
would come from the publicist or the makeup person or
are the assistant, like everything said to something. But it
took a really, really long time because there was no
platform to show people what you could do. When today
(41:56):
these little girls are dressing themselves and they're like.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You know, look right, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
But it was such a long process and I had
it was really hard and I bloodsweet and tears.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Like my husband was telling me these stories like do
you'se like do you remember?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Like literally I checked everything myself and like checked in
and out, like I did everything myself, you know, like
I literally grew this entire thing myself, and I don't
I don't forget those things. And and I think that
a lot of people today like are racing and it's like,
so it will come. I promise you it will come
(42:33):
if you're if you follow those steps, if you're a
good person, if you give it one hundred percent, if
you do business the right way, like if you say
yes to every opportunity, like your pie will come.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I promise it's true.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
But you have listen, I scream at every mountaintop, you
got to do the work. You gotta do the work
you got. You have to do that work. And that
is the biggest problem with this generation right now. I'm
sorry to generalize, but like it's across the board, in
every in every industry. And I think to your point,
because everyone's looking at highlight reils right on social media
(43:05):
and you know, you still have to do the brick
by brick. It can be faster than it was for us,
but like it's just blood, sweat and tears at the
end of the day, and you have to do it
that way because you learn from it you grow from it.
I was taping little taxi receipts and food receipts for like,
for like one hundred thousand dollars wardrobe budgets, and I
(43:27):
would turn in like a hundred pages of like xerox
paper on both sides with a glastick of all my expenses,
and Roger would help me because I suck at math,
and like, you know, amongst rolling rocks and shoes and
like you know, living in New York and so you know,
I think that those things are the things that shape you.
(43:49):
So it's like to your point, it's like I say
to people coming up, it's like those like sort of
war wounds are what makes you really and it makes
you rightful.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And I read this one quote. It was actually I
think from like a painter or no.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
It was something that was like it was basically an artist,
and he was like he was justifying his rate, right,
And he was like, you're not paying for my rate
for what I'm doing today and tomorrow, you're paying for
everything I have learned along this entire way and everything
that I'm going to like all of the knowledge that
I have at this level to the table. So I
(44:28):
feel like when it's like people at our level, I've
been doing this for over fifteen years, Like when you're
asking for a certain rate, it's because, like you have
so much experience, Like if I know I need something,
I know exactly where to get it, how to get
in the best version of it, because I've done it
so many times. And I feel like the younger people
(44:48):
when they like think they should get the same rates
as us, I'm like you, you there are so many
experiences that you've never been in that you won't even
know how to handle that, like like have grace, have patients,
like it will come, but it's I have so many
layers of like everything that I have that I've experienced to.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Be to am right now.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's the wisdom. It's the wisdom.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And I like to say the war wounds for better,
for better or for worse, but they're there and I
think it's what makes us. And I think it's again
the same in any industry, and I think you have
to you have to put it in and I you know, again,
the stars stand out and ultimately you stand out and
(45:33):
you're crushing it and the girls know it and it's
and you love it and you love it and you're
doing it and and you're building mega with your mom,
which is so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
If you told me, like you know when they say, like,
where do you see yourself in five years? Like I do,
think there's something so real right because like the things
that like I I if you told me for my clients,
I'd be like.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
You're crazy, and it's a dream. I'm living this dream.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
And then on top of it, like I consult for
this huge company that's incredibly exciting for me. I'm a
creative director of this huge company that's exciting for me, and.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I realized to say what it is.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Or I am.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
A fashion consultant for Sony Pictures amazing, I am just
took on the role creative director for Joe's Jean's amazing.
I launched my Jeli brand, and I have a dream
stiling business and it's like it's just so incredible because
if you had asked me five years ago, I would say.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Don't I know.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I would have said I would love to creative direct
for a brand and I would love to consult like
those were I thought the next step of things like
a bigger picture project, and I have these bigger picture projects.
So it's really incredible to like forecast and to like
put your heart in something I don't think about on
the daily, but it probably like.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
In the realm, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, it's funny because I
don't know that I ever projected, and I think it's
amazing to see that you kind of you had that
idea that that's what you wanted to do for the
next step, and it happened. And I think it's also
patience because it's also not saying tomorrow right, you're saying
in my five year, I hope to be doing this right.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, so now I got to set my next five years.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I believe it's called manifesting, right. I believe it's called manifesting.
I'm trying this so far I suck at it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I have to say no.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
But I think it's like it's things that just like
sink into your system, you know what I mean. Like
it's not like pacing it. It's not like you're like
this like if you're looking for like it won't happen.
It just like you like think about it, you say it,
you feel it, and then you like go live it.
And I just think that, you know, maybe it's working.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Working Danny, it's working and you're a mama, and you're married,
and it's all the things. I feel like, you're living
all the dreams. So pinch yourself now. Pinch yourself now
so that you remember that you're living all the things
in all the dreams.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
It's also so interesting is that I don't. I think
one of the other reasons of my success is that
I don't think about it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Is that I don't.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
I don't ever like I've never changed, Like you know,
I don't wear makeup.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I don't like I wear flats like or right, I
like to.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Wear hell, you're also like five ten, yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like I just like I just I'm so focused on
like what I'm doing that I've never I've never thought
about the global I've never thought about I don't think
about the clients that way. I just think, like, this
is my job and I need to go give it
one hundred percent. And like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I've never changed in that respect, and you can't.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
If you start thinking about it, right you read the
comments of this, you could psych yourself out, like you
just have to be like focus on what you're doing.
And I and I think that that's another reason why
like I've been able to just keep pushing.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Is that because I don't think about it.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
I just like I just stay focused on what I'm
doing and like push to the next thing and keep
and just keep going.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know, you kind of just do it. You've got
to live it, you've got to be it. You've got
to do it, and don't ever think it. And to
your point, I think, I don't know. I just the
only thing I could say to you is just recognize
what's happening, because I never did.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I never did.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
There's this thing called the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, yes, I know it well.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
I know it well, and I think sometimes we all
just feel like that and we're like wait, and then
people say these things too.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
You're like huh.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's very real. It's like very real, and
I'm just like wait, you know, like I said, but
if you told me this is my life, I wouldn't
believe you.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know, I'm just well, you better believe it, honey,
because you are climbing in fucking flats, but you are
in your mega jewelry and styling, mega supermodels and actors
and musicians and all the things, and living all your
wildest fucking dreams. So I'm happy for you and I
(49:59):
love watching it, and I'm happy I met you, and
I'm happy I got to talk to you today. And
then we have to have like an offline.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, this is one of those like pitchments. I know
that like every day, but really for.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Me, this means so much to like talk to you
into like I'm like Rachel's own knows who I am.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I feel like I'm so swear.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I know who you are and I adore you, and
I love what you're doing and I'm so happy about it.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
And I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
For me to just see someone that loves it so much,
like truthfully, not to sound like a mom, but like
that actually fulfills me the most. And to know that
I had any part of that from the beginning, it's
just makes me even it makes me feel like so
much is worth what I've been through.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Even ohh like that's when street Style started, like all
of that, you know, like listen, it all happened the
same time with this perfect storm of like the internet,
you know, all the things in time, you know, and
you're just at the crux of this like change.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Our business just changed and you were right there in
the center of it.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, I love it, and I adore you, and I
love your passion. I see it coming out of your
eyes and your skin and your smile. But I'm just
impressed with you. I love what you do. I love
how you dress all the girls, I love your collaborations,
and I'm excited to just continue to watch you fly
(51:26):
and sore and do all the things. It's so good.
I know that you have a friend on the sidelines
over here. Okay, everyone, it's that time in the show
when I answer two listener questions, so let's see what
we have today. Okay, this is funny. Do you typically
(51:48):
tailor all of your pants and jackets or do you
wear things straight off the hangar. I definitely do tailor things,
for sure, Believe it or not. I'm incredibly lazy about it,
and I typically wait until, like you know, the day
before I have to wear something. If it's for something visible,
I'll get it tailored. But I more so tailored gowns
(52:09):
for major events rather than my everyday clothes. And because
I am I just wear higher heels so that I
don't have to have my pants.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Truth.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yes, yes, As a stylist, for one hundred years. I
don't barely tailor my own clothes.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Fun fact.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, what's your advice on listening to your instincts as
a young person just starting my professional career when it's
easier to be a people pleaser most of the time.
That's a really, really good question and a very hard
one to answer, because I think as somebody starting out,
you almost have.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
To be a people pleaser. You really do.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
When you are first starting out and learning, very often
your opinions you have to keep to yourself and vent
them to your safe person at home.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You really have to respect.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
And listen to the person that you're working and learning from,
and then know that if your instincts were right and
you did the opposite based on what you were told
to do, then just take it as a learning lesson
and use it as your sort of inner arsenal of
knowledge when you go out on your own or to
your next job. But I do think that a big
(53:28):
problem for the young generation starting out now is that
they come in really thinking they know so much, and sometimes.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
They very well do.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
But I think the last thing someone who is like
a very seasoned veteran in a job wants to hear
is like a twenty two year old sort of like
shooting off their mouth about what they think they should do.
Now that said, in the work environment that we are
trying to nurture, now, I know, for me, all of
my team, I love their opinions. I love their opinions,
(53:59):
and you their opinions, and very often I really take
what they say and I really use it and it
really impacts my overall decision because it's a fresh perspective,
it's a younger perspective, and quite frankly, I think we
really need that, you know, because it is a new
world and it's a new way of looking at things.
And so I think that if you have a good boss,
(54:23):
your boss will empower you and ask for your input.
And whether they choose to take it or not, that's
up to them. But trust me when I tell you,
they will know if you added something valuable.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
They will know and they will remember, and so will you.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
So don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode.
All you have to do is dm us your questions
to at Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram and I
might just answer your question. Thank you so much to
Danny for being on the pod today is just the
(55:02):
real deal. She's as genuine as it comes, and I
have to tell you, for the first time in life,
I actually felt like I was talking to myself.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
It was actually.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Really a bit surreal, like the way she was answering questions.
I literally felt like it was my answers like it was.
It was actually a bit surreal for me to have
this conversation, but I loved it so much because it's
her passion is so genuine. Her work ethic is unparalleled,
(55:31):
and you know, I think so many of her points
are so important because when your clients know how much
they mean to you and how much you think about
them when you're not on the clock, I think that
really is what matters. And she works really, really, really hard.
I really loved her takeaways about being kind, giving one
hundred and ten percent, and keeping your.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Reputation solid gold.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
So don't forget to write a review wherever you get
your podcasts. It really helps us out and they love
reading them. So while you're at it, follow me in
at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing and Hails pod on
Instagram for more updates on upcoming guest episodes.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
And all things care ature, I'll see you next week.
Come on,
Popular Podcasts
Are You A Charlotte?
In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com