May 16, 2025 • 32 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe is chatting with TikTok star, podcast host and actor, Jake Shane! Learn how Jake skyrocketed to fame and the story behind how he built his online community one octopus at a time! In addition to hosting his podcast, Therapuss, Jake is also on this season of the HBO hit show, Hacks. Don't miss the fun!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
of course fun. This week is another monumental episode of
Climbing in Heels as we welcome our second ever male guest,
the TikTok Sensation Jake Shane. I met Jake a few
months ago and we instantly connected. His massive, massive success
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with both social media and his amazing podcast Therapus are
clearly just the beginning of what will be a very
long career in the entertainment industry. Without further ado, the adorable,
hilarious Jake Shane. So, I'm very excited to have you,
and I'm very excited to sort of hear all about
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you and how you became you because you're very young,
and I weirdly think we have a lot of common interest.
I know you love horoscopes and signs and the whole thing,
which is just one of my greatest obsessions.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh good, So you'll be able to tell me about it,
because I like, I'm like obsessed, but like I don't know,
and like I it's like a bit that I don't
know anything. Like on my latest podcast episode, I told
someone they were with cancer and they were a Gemini.
Like it was just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm a scorpio.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Scorpio, we shouldn't even be talking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm a Virgo?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Wait? I love virgos? Is that not normal?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It is. I think you guys love us. I think
we struggle with you.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm fare for it. But I'm also here to I'm
also here to say that, like I'm really down to
like love a Scorpio like I'm because I feel like
I can be changed, you know what I mean, Like
I can't be that judge. But again, I'm a virgo,
so we are really freakin' judgy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, if it makes it better, my rising's Gemini and
my moon is Gemini.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I come off as a Gemini a lot of
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So maybe that's why I don't know that I click
with a scorpio off the bat. You know, a hello,
like we did?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know right? We said we clicked.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We collected a hello like there was a hug and
it was with Cade who we love. Yes, love love love,
So I need to understand. Okay, So born and raised.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Where I was born in Laka and then I.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Moved, so it's not totally new, no, But I moved
when I was two years old to Okay Fair, and
then I kind of bopped around New York a little,
and then where I really like settled was the suburbs
Westchester from when I was six years old to I
think eleven years old for twelve, I want to say
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eleven or twelve, and then I moved to Washington Heights
in New York City because it was like hard to
be getting the suburbs. And then my mom was also like,
get me the fuck out of here. He moved to
Washington Heights and I lived in Washington Heights from seventh grade.
So when I was twelve to like twenty, I went
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to college at USC, so I moved to Lakay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So you've really had in New York laying.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But during COVID, like I was twenty, and I like
was in Washington Heights at the time because everyone went
home and I was like, I can't be here, and
so I went back to my college apartment in LA
and like that's kind of when I really consider like
done because we sold our place there and my parents
live now out here with me and like, oh okay, yeah,
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we all moved out here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
That's so fun. So you're super close with your parents.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I love them. They grab me, but I love.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Them Honestly, I don't. I live for my parents. But
there's literally no one that can drive me more crazy
than my parents. I think that's the job. I think
it's like we're no.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
They know how to get like, they know how to
like an, they know how to like poke like it's
a trigger.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That's where triggers came from. Your parents.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes, I will say my mom has is never she's
always excited about what I do. But she's just actually
excited today because she always watched your show with me
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That makes me so happy. So did you when you
were a kid watching me? Were you like that bitch
is crazy?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I actually didn't think you were crazy at all because
my mom, because I like, I.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Based does your mom love fashion?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, she loved fashion and she didn't think you were
crazy like she loved you, and like I didn't think
you were Like I kind of just based my opinion
off what she thought, right, Okay, I was like, okay,
well my.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Mom as good as a good son does.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and yeah, I never thought you were crazy. I
thought the show was great reality television.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I really like describe myself as like I was like
a reality TV kid, like that's what I was watching,
and I was watching me one, I was watching MTV,
I was watching Bravo, I was watching E Like.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I was like very into reality television.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I don't know if this surprises your doesn't, because I
did a show I have never seen another reality like
I I could barely watch my show to.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Ever wear like housewives anything.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Literally never seen Housewives, like like never actually have seen Housewives?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Why are you just like I are you just so
like I can't like it reminds you too much of
like your experience that I think I know too much.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But I'll be very honest with you. I've pretty much
winged my entire life, if that makes sense, and I
just kind of went with it. And I think when
I started my show everyone you know, when I was
working on it, you know, I remember the head of
Bravo was like, what are your favorite shows? And I
was like, don't watch any. It was like when I
wrote my books, what are your favorite books? Don't have any?
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So it was right, So I think it was just
sort of like, I'm just going to wing this, and
then I think it was hard enough for me to
do the show. So I think it was sort of
like when I'm not doing this, I'm not also watching
other shows. I also don't love to be influenced in
that way too. It's a little bit like when I
had my clothes line, I didn't really love to look
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at other peoples because you don't want to even be
subconsciously sort of swayed into something, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So like it's like an anxiety thing. I think it is.
It's like it like makes me anxious.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's like I don't want to bioccidentally like copy something
like subconsciously, and then, yeah, it's an anxiety thing.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I want to talk to you about that, So I'm
glad you brought that up. So I have really come
to terms and am very open about the fact that
I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has
always been my superpower. I kind of really have. I
don't really think I've ever considered my anxiety. I sort
of make fun of myself about it, and I don't
mean to belittle it. I don't mean to use it
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as a as like an adjective, I guess, is what
I'm saying. But I think I consider myself to be
like an anxious person. But I don't necessarily look at
it as a negative. I've kind of always looked at
it as it's a little bit of my fire, it's
a little bit of my motivator. It's a little bit
of the thing that like wakes me up in the
morning and wants me to be better at something. I
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think that's how I've always used it. But I know
that you're very open about anxiety and mental health in general,
so I want to talk to you about that. So
have you been this way like your whole life where.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You yes, my entire my entire life, well like I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And are you open about it me too?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So anxiety kind of comes with the territory, is what
my parents always told.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Me, which is why I never viewed as anxiety.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I was like, this is just who we are, and
I I just remember like always being anxious as a kid.
I have really about OCD, so that like my anxiety.
I view it kind of like if I didn't have that,
I wouldn't be motivated, I wouldn't be like good at
like like I don't know like what I do exactly.
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I mean I wouldn't be good at like hosting or
being passionate, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's part of your personality. It's it's like you're fast,
you move, you think a lot, you overthink a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There's just no getting rid of it. So like what
am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm not going to be like you know, I'm on
meds and it'll subdu it, but there's no getting rid
of it. So I'm not going to sit here and
be like it's the worst thing in the world because
it's here, so like I might as well.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Just it's like have you seen the movie Inside Out? Too?
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh wait, now what's the one out? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Inside Out?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They introduce anxiety, and like the whole concept of the
movie is like kind of about the regulation of emotions
and how every emotion is needed in some capacity, and
like anxiety is needed in some capacity, and like anxiety
doesn't mean like doesn't have ill intentions, it's just too
much of it becomes a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes, yes, I agree, And I it's funny because I
remember when I lived in New York in my in
my like heyday of the best years of my actual
life pre children, and people used to be like, are
you on drugs? And I'm like, no, not, Like at
that point, I wasn't even barely drinking caffeine, and I
just it's like this excitement. It's like an excite. But
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it also to your point, I think it's sort of
like you are or you aren't, and you manage it
or you don't, And it's how much you embrace it
and cope with it and manage it. And I think,
to your point, use it to help you use it
as fuel, right, I think if you mentally look at
it as fuel in many ways, then you can embrace
it as a positive rather than something that you're scary
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and overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, you just.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Need to know that once you know that, like what
it's projecting isn't real, which isn't right. Very hard, it's
not possible for me yet. Sorry, there's a garbage truck,
a child.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You are twenty four, You have so much more to
cope with that, Like this is going to get easier
for you in many ways.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I've realized that, like working out helps it, and yeah,
doing something creative helps it. Like I'm kind of narcissistic,
So talking about myself helps it, Like.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Just being honest, like by do I always be honest?
I love you more for that. And also that's how
you became you to being honest.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, that's what I remember. When this all kind of happened.
I was kind of like like, I'm just like I've
once you accept the fact that, like, well, I don't know,
not everyone's transparent, but I would consider myself to be
a pretty transparent person. Like everyone, even if I'm not
being transparent, can see right through me and I can
see what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Once I accepted that, like life got so much easier.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know, You've obviously had so much success and at
a very young age. I mean I feel like you
probably just graduated like two years ago, right, yeah, two
years ago like last month? Oh my god, Like do
you have this massive success pretty quickly? Right for being yourself?
And I mean, what is that? What does that feel like?
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And was it intentional? You know, because like did you
come out of school and be like this is what
I'm doing or did this just kind of like you're
just rolling with it?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I was I thought I was going to work in
music for the rest of my life. I had I
was an intern at a record label since I was
a junior or the summer of COVID, so right end
of my sophomore year, and I kept that and then
I took a break my senior year because I had
done it for a year, like my entire junior year,
and they were like okay, like finish college and come
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back and we can see if there's a full time
position for you. And I like made this like octopus
account in the meantime, just like to keep me busy.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like it was like funny, like it was just a joke.
I was in college.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Why octopus, Like I have to understand that I used
octopus as a like I'll be like, oh, he's like
an octopus, like too much personal space, and like.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It was like it was my bougie it was my
bougie snack. Like I ate it.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Like I would go out to like Draconi's West Hollywood
and get like girl octopus and like.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They have the best girl octopus there. I don't even
like girld octopus.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And there's then you need to get it from Angelini
palists as well, because that one took over for me
at least in.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
My mind, they have had a bite of that one.
I know that's yeah, I won't order it, but I'll
have a bite of someone.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, but maybe we'll go and we'll order it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, I would do that. I would absolutely share a
girl octopus with you.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yes, please, I would be honored.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But I I graduated, I was working full time at
the record label. I was an assistant to this guy
named Zach and he just like always like like when
you have someone around you that like lets you be
your full self, like you kind of unlock your full potential.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So like he would never judge.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Me, Like every joke I made, like even if I
wasn't being intentionally funny, he thought was funny and like
egged me on and encouraged it. It was just a
really happy, happy time. I was probably like the happiest
time of my life. Like I was like making tiktoks
on the side, but I was like doing my job
during the day. Like it like didn't it felt It
was just like it felt like very like okay, as
long as my job is good, like we're good, I
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can make these tiktoks. But like nothing, I didn't think
anything of it, and he always made this joke kind
of like if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And
then something did happen, like over the course of one week,
and I like, I don't know. It wasn't even like
a question like well are you going to do it?
Like it just was kind of like we were kind
of like we both knew like okay, like we both
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felt like, all right, well it's happening.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like you're gonna you're gonna manage me now.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And it was kind of like kis met and it
was like the perfect person to meet at the perfect time,
and like I couldn't imagine like doing it with like
any other people around me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I love that, see, And you couldn't You couldn't have
wouldn't have couldn't have ever planned that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, it was it was just like I thought I
had a plan, Like I was like, this is like,
oh you like maybe I'll reach one hundred thousand followers
by the end of the year, right, and then like
a million in a week. And I was like, and
Zach always believes in me, Like he's always like you're
gonna get to a million, like you're He's like always
like putting these like end goals for me.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right, well, that's not.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Gonna happen, right, But he literally said, like, you're gonna
get to a million by the end of the year,
and I was like, Zach, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
But he's just like the best.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's so it's it's I mean, I think what I
could try to tell you at twenty four is you
sometimes just have to let life happen because as an
anxious person, you're going to overthink it to the point
of no return. And it's like, I think you're already
seeing this success and I think it's sort of like
it's good for you to stay very real about it
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and be like that's not going to happen and keep
yourself in check. But I think it's great to have
people around you that are your like cheerleaders, that are
there for the journey. And you know, I think it's great.
It's I think that's fantastic. And by the way, I'm
launching my TikTok soon and oh my god, I might
need some mentoring.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, if you need any help. TikTok is like my
I would. I pride myself and being pretty good at it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So that's great because I pride myself and really sucking
at it. I have not launched it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's like a language. Once you learn it, you kind
of like can get with it. Like it's it's really
just like a language, like it's like doing like dou
a lingo every day, like you kind of like have
to do your TikTok. Like I did not get it
at all. I remember like like watching like very confusing,
very confusing. I remember watching like the Charlie Demilio's and
everyone and being like, uh, huh the fuck are they
editing these?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't want to just and I remember my best
friend Brett and I were always like so confused.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We're like, how do we do this?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Once you get this, like it used to take us
four hours out at one TikTok, once you get this
jects done.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh my god. Yeah, I'm literally gonna need the one
oh one tutoring of this because you know, people keep going,
why aren't you on TikTok. I always hear your voice
on TikTok, your things from your show on TikTok. Like
it's like a whole new because I can instagram till
you know, I'm purple, Like it's that's that's my first language.
But now to your point, I.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Need to get another one. I do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I really do. Okay, so tell me about your pod
because it has a cult following and I want to
know how you got the name and like why and
what the obsession with octopus in this bougie kind of
life and I just I need I get you because
I speak you. I get it, like I totally get it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Kind of became this thing, like my friends always called
octopus puss like it was just the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It was like it just was a thing. And that's
like what I named the account.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And then like does your mother love that it's called puss?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, she thought it was she thought it was funny,
and she like she loved it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
She's like my like she's cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have two boys.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I do like yeah, like but she It's just like
everything kind of became play on puss. And it was
like I had this Instagram story called tell me What's Wrong,
and it would just I would give very blunt advice.
So when I'm thinking about making a podcast, I was like, Okay,
well I want to do that, and then we could
do like therapy and then I was like, oh, therapus.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like it was very.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Quick, like one two, right quick, and like it just
kind of hot. I remember the room I was. I
was in my old office, like I was. I was
there because my now manager, I was just with him,
and like I was sitting in like one of the
rooms with like my old coworkers.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And I was like, oh, therapus. And that's kind of
how it happened.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And then it just kind of like I didn't really
know what I was doing at first. I was so scared.
I was like, oh my god, like what is the point,
Like I feel like I shouldn't be doing this. And
then the pussies who are the people that follow me,
we really just like showed up for me. And like
my friend showed up for me. Everyone who I needed
to show up for me really showed up for me.
And so in return, I was like, I'm going to
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show up tenfold and like I'm going to make this
my entire personality. And that's kind of like how it
kind of came to be.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And you wake up excited every single day to do
it all.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, I haven't been filming lately. I just filmed the
season finale. We're ending the season next week, forty two
episodes and or we call them sessions because it's therapy.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And then I'm going.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
To take it on tour in October and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's so much fun. Okay, what scares you? Like, what
is your biggest challenge in this new life of yours?
Because now it's been probably what like two years a year,
you've really been at a year and a half, I
mean really new. So you must have a lot of.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, looking like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's always been like my number one fear, like look
just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, I think that's a fear of yours.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Weirdly, it is, it's like I don't want to show
like I don't want to show up, and like number one,
have no one cares?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I think, like no one care?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, of course, you like look at him, like so
what he's doing is so embarrassing, He's so embarrassing. I
think it's just like I'm just so scared of being
embarrassed at all times, and like, I think that's why
I try to embarrass myself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I think that's kind of like a crux of comedy.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Like you know, it's I'm going to embarrass myself before
you can embarrass me.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I'm going to break up with you before you
break up with.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So it's like a lot of my humor is very
self deprecating because I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
Like if you think you're gonna do this, like I'm
going to do it, but like ten times, so you can't.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Even say anything.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's so interesting. I actually think we're freakishly similar in
a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because when I
was growing in my career, I think when I was
coming in my career, people would be like, what are
you so afraid of? And I'm like, because it was
never my intention to be in the public eye. I
think I never had an expectation for people to show
up for me. And I remember when I was younger
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and I used to have birthday parties every year. I
was always like, nobody's going to come, Like, nobody's going
to come. And if if you ask my team, they
would say, what's the thing that people don't know about Rachel?
And they'd be like, they would tell you that she
like she thinks no one's coming to anything that she
ever does still today, so I so understand what you mean,
you don't. And I remember when I was doing my
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show sort of like why does anyone want to watch this?
Like why does it? You know what I mean? And
that's a hard thing. And I think I think for you,
the greatest thing about TI Talk is just so instant, right,
Like it's so immediate, Like it's not like filming a
movie that no one's showing up to watch.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, it's less an ana curse because like kind
of gifted to this like immediate feed of course. So
like sometimes when things take time to grow as they do,
like Zach will have to tell me, like you like
like I remember, like for the podcast. He was like, so,
like you, nothing has gonnen until maybe a year or
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two of you doing this, So just plan on you
doing this for a year or two.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Then it will start to grow. And I was just
I was like, so that's not going to cut it
in my book. Like I'm like, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like I'm going to full throttle this and like we're
making I'm going.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
To make it happen, right, But and look what happened.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, I'm so I'm so excited. I mean, I'm so
excited to tour because that's like.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The number one reason why I did the podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's like to have like a live show that I
can like, so like that that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well that's interesting because I actually was thinking it was
like you're such this big personality and you're so obviously entertaining.
I mean, do you have you ever in your life
thought like I want to be live, like I want
to do stand up Like I actually.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I used to take stand up.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I took stand up classes for a few months when
I was It's scary.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's like my worst fear, Like I can't even carryoke.
That's like my actual worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it is the scariest thing in the world. I
do it the Gotham you know, the Gotham Comedy Club
in Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Uh huh. I was seventh grade, so that was fun and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I remember being like, oh, I like this, but then
like high school happened and I'm too embarrassed to do anything.
Everything's fucking embarrassing school and everything. You like lose yourself
and just like the worst time, it's the worst. And
so I'm happy that like I'm I've found this myself
again and like I'm able to be like, no, this
is what I want to do, and it really is
just who you surround yourself with.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Honestly, it really is. I mean, okay, so I know
this seems like a logical question coming from me, but
I'm I'm curious, Like do you like fashion? Like meaning
like would you ever want to do anything in the
world of fashion or is that like terrifying to you?
In zero interest?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like that is like the epitome of like cool for me,
So like yeah, like, of course I would love to
do anything in fashion, Like are you kidding? Like my
mom like took me to a fashion show once when
I was like eight years old. I were like one
do you remember it was?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
When's the Funny's lamb collection?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes? I was probably there.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I have I show you a photo of me. I
was very little. I was like I was in a hoodie.
It was ridiculous. But I love fashion. I used to
take like my mom loves fashion and I don't. I'm
not a very fashionable person, but I I love it.
I think it's so cool. Like I went to like
one fashion show last year. I went to the Tommy
Hill figure show and it was.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Like, oh, yeah, experience in my life.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's the best, Who's the sweetest human ever.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's yeah awesome, And like.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
My greatest mentor in my life, in my in my career.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He gave me my first big break. When I was
twenty four five.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Are you s here? What were you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
He gave me the biggest job of my life. I
had just gone free lance, I'd been working for a magazine.
I was your age, and he called me into his
office because I knew his brother Andy, and I had
been pulling Denham from his brother. He was doing like
a j Lo Denham collection his brother Andy and Tommy
called me into his office and I was so nervous.
I'd had no idea what was happening. And he basically
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gave me a two week massive ad campaign for his
main collection, for the Younger collection. The first week was
shot in Austin with like ten major celebrities, and the
second week was out here in LA at the Griffith
Observatory with like literally thirty male and female supermodels of
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the time. And I led the entire thing. And I
looked at him like, why are you giving me this job?
Like I can't. I'm I don't know that I can
do this, and he was like, yes, you can. I
know you can't. And I didn't even know him.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
It was.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was the most terrifying experience of my life. But
I did it and I had like four hundred panic
attacks on the job, right, like what I did and
it got very ready.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, but I yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Would you go back to fashion Week? Like I feel
like you have to hit fashion Week?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yes, of course if I'm invited, of course I always.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But I'm like so not inherently a fashionable person, but
like that's why, that's why I want.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I just I feel so hollywood to me, it feels
so cool.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It feels so like I don't know, I remember, like
I used to remember like love like thinking it was
the coolest thing in the world when I was a kid.
So yeah, I mean yeah, of course, Like I would
die to go back to fashion Week, Like it's something.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tells me you are going to have a lot of
invites to fashion week and you're going to take your
mom as your day.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh my god, my mom would die. She would die,
you would die.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She would just be like on her phone taking photos
the whole time, like thinking it was the coolest thing
in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's my forecast for you. I feel like fashion weeks
and mom as your date. I just I see it.
You were actually you were born in two thousand, nineteen nine,
ninety nine nine, Okay, so like two thousand, probably like
two thousand to two thousand and probably five before I
moved out to LA it was twenty four to seven.
(25:20):
Backstreet Brittany in Sync, Jessica Enrique literally like music videos,
album covers, touring.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
As crazy as the time seemed.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
It was more than it seemed. It was the craziest.
I would have like one hundred rocks of clothes, like
for the guy, I mean Prada adult in this one,
and I needed like I would have fifty racks because
each guy needed like five changes and they needed like
it was the craziest. I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep
for eleven years.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm pretty that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah. But it was fun and it was boot Camp
and it was the best, and it was the music
industry was, you know, at the height of pop culture.
Just being that I was shooting covers of Rolling Stone,
I mean it was it was really really really fun.
It was really crazy and really fun and just you know,
it's funny. I think about it now and people ask
me about it, and I remember it like in real time, Like, right,
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that happened.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I was in Monaco with Britney Spears when she ripped
her skirt because it was too long and just tore
it and then ripped her t shirt because she wanted
it cropped.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know that kind of thing you would do stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I would put her in catoure and then she would
literally like go into the dressing room, come out and
like it was cropped, and I was like, that's sure.
I just I think, yeah, I did. I died, like
I literally died. I've died one hundred and twenty deaths
in yeahh right for sure. Okay, So tell me hopes
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and dreams beyond today, Like what in your mind is
like the next or do you just try to live present?
But knowing you for the last hour, I'm thinking you
don't live in the present and you're constant thinking about
the next thing. I mean, I never lived in the present,
so I'm working on that still.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Ever, it's just who I am. I try, but it's
like I really want to get into acting. That's like
a dream of mine. And I want to kind of
turn therapist into like late night for gen Z.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I feel like there's no late night for gen Z.
I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Know people like my parents that watch it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, and I like I I think late night is
such a cool concept. It's so American, and it's so
it's been around forever, Like I would hate to see
it go away, so like I would love I would
love to like kind of like turn Therapist into a
late night for like the new James Corden kind of
like but yeah, yeah, not the.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Days old, but you know what I mean. Yes, But
I have a question, So does then not live on
television or does in your mind? Would that live on
television or in some kind.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Of other I think I would it would live on
streamers in a live sense, so it would be live
like Underson Time a week and then you could watch
it after as well.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Genius, I love it, I'd watch it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's my idea.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, So let's manifest that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I know. I'm trying. I'm really trying to manifest.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like my ideal dream would be like Netflix Live three
times a week, late night musical guest talent fits, Jake
Shane Late Night Live.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I see this for you. I see this for you,
not only do I see it for you, but I
actually see you like as the next like Dave Letterman,
You're going to be doing it until you're eighty.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Oh like I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's the thing is, like I never want to swop
entertaining like I always just like I'll always want to.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It doesn't feel like work. Ever.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
We like to do this with all of our death.
Rachel's going to give you a little rapid round of
question and then I'm gonna let you go. And it
doesn't great, It doesn't. You don't have to answer in
like one word or anything. You can elaborate if you
need to, you can do it. It's just to know
you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I obviously already know the first answer Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You know it depends on the day.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, that's fair. Day one star signed. You would never
date a Leo fair a scorpio and a Leo would
like implode. Yeah, okay. The food item you can't live without, which.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think I know it's octopus, but it's also white rice.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Interesting, Okay, Okay, that's fair. I don't think my son
could live without veryways, Netflix and chill or Dance on Tables,
Dance on Tables any of that. I test in my mind.
I answer the question and ask myself, if you were arrested,
what would it be.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
For God, Like, if it was two years ago, would
probably be like doing something drunk and stupid in college,
but probably like like drunken disorderly, Like I don't like,
That's what I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, favorite beauty product I.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Use like Linne's lip mask I really like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, And I like like my road Face wash yeah good, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
And I like my drunk Elephant Bronzer.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So good, so good. I love that one. Okay, who
is your.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Hero Taylor Swift?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I have even watching here everyone's fucking hero. Okay, favorite TikToker,
Favorite TikToker.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's a good question, trying to think of who I
who I religiously watch.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
My favorite TikToker is probably my best friends. I like
watching what they have to pose, like Brau all that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Because you're invested in it too. Okay, New York or
La La favorite TV show.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Of all time?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Girls on HBO.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Okay nineteen eighty nine. Or Torture Poets.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Department nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh my god, you're the cutest. I endure you, Jake.
I'm so happy we met.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm so happy. This was so fun, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I can't wait to be your best friend, and I
can't wait take hang out. And I'm terrified to lodge TikTok.
So you're going to have to help make it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Don't be, don't be, I will help you.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That is a whole new world, and you know us
people with anxiety. That is hard, very that is hard.
I'm I'm sending you the most love to have a
beautiful week. I hope I see you soon.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, I will see you soon. Thank you for having
me so hi.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
To your mom, I will, I will, I will. Thank
you so much to Jake for being on the pod.
You are such a star at such a young age,
and I honestly love the most your humor and transparency.
I just laughed this entire episode. We had so much fun,
and you know, he taught me a lot. I feel
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like I am ready to embrace the very scary world
of TikTok and I'm hoping that Jake will be my
new friend and hold my hand through it, because it
will be a whole new world for me. So thank
you so much to everyone for listening to Climbing and Heels.
If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeart app, or wherever you get
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Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
of course fun. This week is another monumental episode of
Climbing in Heels as we welcome our second ever male guest,
the TikTok Sensation Jake Shane. I met Jake a few
months ago and we instantly connected. His massive, massive success
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with both social media and his amazing podcast Therapus are
clearly just the beginning of what will be a very
long career in the entertainment industry. Without further ado, the adorable,
hilarious Jake Shane. So, I'm very excited to have you,
and I'm very excited to sort of hear all about
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you and how you became you because you're very young,
and I weirdly think we have a lot of common interest.
I know you love horoscopes and signs and the whole thing,
which is just one of my greatest obsessions.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh good, So you'll be able to tell me about it,
because I like, I'm like obsessed, but like I don't know,
and like I it's like a bit that I don't
know anything. Like on my latest podcast episode, I told
someone they were with cancer and they were a Gemini.
Like it was just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm a scorpio.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Scorpio, we shouldn't even be talking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm a Virgo?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Wait? I love virgos? Is that not normal?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It is. I think you guys love us. I think
we struggle with you.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm fare for it. But I'm also here to I'm
also here to say that, like I'm really down to
like love a Scorpio like I'm because I feel like
I can be changed, you know what I mean, Like
I can't be that judge. But again, I'm a virgo,
so we are really freakin' judgy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, if it makes it better, my rising's Gemini and
my moon is Gemini.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I come off as a Gemini a lot of
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So maybe that's why I don't know that I click
with a scorpio off the bat. You know, a hello,
like we did?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know right? We said we clicked.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We collected a hello like there was a hug and
it was with Cade who we love. Yes, love love love,
So I need to understand. Okay, So born and raised.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Where I was born in Laka and then I.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Moved, so it's not totally new, no, But I moved
when I was two years old to Okay Fair, and
then I kind of bopped around New York a little,
and then where I really like settled was the suburbs
Westchester from when I was six years old to I
think eleven years old for twelve, I want to say
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eleven or twelve, and then I moved to Washington Heights
in New York City because it was like hard to
be getting the suburbs. And then my mom was also like,
get me the fuck out of here. He moved to
Washington Heights and I lived in Washington Heights from seventh grade.
So when I was twelve to like twenty, I went
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to college at USC, so I moved to Lakay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So you've really had in New York laying.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But during COVID, like I was twenty, and I like
was in Washington Heights at the time because everyone went
home and I was like, I can't be here, and
so I went back to my college apartment in LA
and like that's kind of when I really consider like
done because we sold our place there and my parents
live now out here with me and like, oh okay, yeah,
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we all moved out here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
That's so fun. So you're super close with your parents.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I love them. They grab me, but I love.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Them Honestly, I don't. I live for my parents. But
there's literally no one that can drive me more crazy
than my parents. I think that's the job. I think
it's like we're no.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
They know how to get like, they know how to
like an, they know how to like poke like it's
a trigger.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That's where triggers came from. Your parents.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes, I will say my mom has is never she's
always excited about what I do. But she's just actually
excited today because she always watched your show with me
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That makes me so happy. So did you when you
were a kid watching me? Were you like that bitch
is crazy?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I actually didn't think you were crazy at all because
my mom, because I like, I.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Based does your mom love fashion?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, she loved fashion and she didn't think you were
crazy like she loved you, and like I didn't think
you were Like I kind of just based my opinion
off what she thought, right, Okay, I was like, okay,
well my.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Mom as good as a good son does.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and yeah, I never thought you were crazy. I
thought the show was great reality television.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I really like describe myself as like I was like
a reality TV kid, like that's what I was watching,
and I was watching me one, I was watching MTV,
I was watching Bravo, I was watching E Like.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I was like very into reality television.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I don't know if this surprises your doesn't, because I
did a show I have never seen another reality like
I I could barely watch my show to.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Ever wear like housewives anything.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Literally never seen Housewives, like like never actually have seen Housewives?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Why are you just like I are you just so
like I can't like it reminds you too much of
like your experience that I think I know too much.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But I'll be very honest with you. I've pretty much
winged my entire life, if that makes sense, and I
just kind of went with it. And I think when
I started my show everyone you know, when I was
working on it, you know, I remember the head of
Bravo was like, what are your favorite shows? And I
was like, don't watch any. It was like when I
wrote my books, what are your favorite books? Don't have any?
(05:40):
So it was right, So I think it was just
sort of like, I'm just going to wing this, and
then I think it was hard enough for me to
do the show. So I think it was sort of
like when I'm not doing this, I'm not also watching
other shows. I also don't love to be influenced in
that way too. It's a little bit like when I
had my clothes line, I didn't really love to look
(06:01):
at other peoples because you don't want to even be
subconsciously sort of swayed into something, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So like it's like an anxiety thing. I think it is.
It's like it like makes me anxious.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's like I don't want to bioccidentally like copy something
like subconsciously, and then, yeah, it's an anxiety thing.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I want to talk to you about that, So I'm
glad you brought that up. So I have really come
to terms and am very open about the fact that
I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has
always been my superpower. I kind of really have. I
don't really think I've ever considered my anxiety. I sort
of make fun of myself about it, and I don't
mean to belittle it. I don't mean to use it
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as a as like an adjective, I guess, is what
I'm saying. But I think I consider myself to be
like an anxious person. But I don't necessarily look at
it as a negative. I've kind of always looked at
it as it's a little bit of my fire, it's
a little bit of my motivator. It's a little bit
of the thing that like wakes me up in the
morning and wants me to be better at something. I
(07:03):
think that's how I've always used it. But I know
that you're very open about anxiety and mental health in general,
so I want to talk to you about that. So
have you been this way like your whole life where.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You yes, my entire my entire life, well like I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And are you open about it me too?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So anxiety kind of comes with the territory, is what
my parents always told.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Me, which is why I never viewed as anxiety.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I was like, this is just who we are, and
I I just remember like always being anxious as a kid.
I have really about OCD, so that like my anxiety.
I view it kind of like if I didn't have that,
I wouldn't be motivated, I wouldn't be like good at
like like I don't know like what I do exactly.
(07:48):
I mean I wouldn't be good at like hosting or
being passionate, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's part of your personality. It's it's like you're fast,
you move, you think a lot, you overthink a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There's just no getting rid of it. So like what
am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm not going to be like you know, I'm on
meds and it'll subdu it, but there's no getting rid
of it. So I'm not going to sit here and
be like it's the worst thing in the world because
it's here, so like I might as well.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Just it's like have you seen the movie Inside Out? Too?
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh wait, now what's the one out? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Inside Out?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They introduce anxiety, and like the whole concept of the
movie is like kind of about the regulation of emotions
and how every emotion is needed in some capacity, and
like anxiety is needed in some capacity, and like anxiety
doesn't mean like doesn't have ill intentions, it's just too
much of it becomes a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes, yes, I agree, And I it's funny because I
remember when I lived in New York in my in
my like heyday of the best years of my actual
life pre children, and people used to be like, are
you on drugs? And I'm like, no, not, Like at
that point, I wasn't even barely drinking caffeine, and I
just it's like this excitement. It's like an excite. But
(09:00):
it also to your point, I think it's sort of
like you are or you aren't, and you manage it
or you don't, And it's how much you embrace it
and cope with it and manage it. And I think,
to your point, use it to help you use it
as fuel, right, I think if you mentally look at
it as fuel in many ways, then you can embrace
it as a positive rather than something that you're scary
(09:22):
and overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, you just.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Need to know that once you know that, like what
it's projecting isn't real, which isn't right. Very hard, it's
not possible for me yet. Sorry, there's a garbage truck,
a child.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You are twenty four, You have so much more to
cope with that, Like this is going to get easier
for you in many ways.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I've realized that, like working out helps it, and yeah,
doing something creative helps it. Like I'm kind of narcissistic,
So talking about myself helps it, Like.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Just being honest, like by do I always be honest?
I love you more for that. And also that's how
you became you to being honest.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, that's what I remember. When this all kind of happened.
I was kind of like like, I'm just like I've
once you accept the fact that, like, well, I don't know,
not everyone's transparent, but I would consider myself to be
a pretty transparent person. Like everyone, even if I'm not
being transparent, can see right through me and I can
see what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Once I accepted that, like life got so much easier.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know, You've obviously had so much success and at
a very young age. I mean I feel like you
probably just graduated like two years ago, right, yeah, two
years ago like last month? Oh my god, Like do
you have this massive success pretty quickly? Right for being yourself?
And I mean, what is that? What does that feel like?
(10:43):
And was it intentional? You know, because like did you
come out of school and be like this is what
I'm doing or did this just kind of like you're
just rolling with it?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I was I thought I was going to work in
music for the rest of my life. I had I
was an intern at a record label since I was
a junior or the summer of COVID, so right end
of my sophomore year, and I kept that and then
I took a break my senior year because I had
done it for a year, like my entire junior year,
and they were like okay, like finish college and come
(11:15):
back and we can see if there's a full time
position for you. And I like made this like octopus
account in the meantime, just like to keep me busy.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like it was like funny, like it was just a joke.
I was in college.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Why octopus, Like I have to understand that I used
octopus as a like I'll be like, oh, he's like
an octopus, like too much personal space, and like.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It was like it was my bougie it was my
bougie snack. Like I ate it.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Like I would go out to like Draconi's West Hollywood
and get like girl octopus and like.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They have the best girl octopus there. I don't even
like girld octopus.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And there's then you need to get it from Angelini
palists as well, because that one took over for me
at least in.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
My mind, they have had a bite of that one.
I know that's yeah, I won't order it, but I'll
have a bite of someone.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, but maybe we'll go and we'll order it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, I would do that. I would absolutely share a
girl octopus with you.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yes, please, I would be honored.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But I I graduated, I was working full time at
the record label. I was an assistant to this guy
named Zach and he just like always like like when
you have someone around you that like lets you be
your full self, like you kind of unlock your full potential.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So like he would never judge.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Me, Like every joke I made, like even if I
wasn't being intentionally funny, he thought was funny and like
egged me on and encouraged it. It was just a
really happy, happy time. I was probably like the happiest
time of my life. Like I was like making tiktoks
on the side, but I was like doing my job
during the day. Like it like didn't it felt It
was just like it felt like very like okay, as
long as my job is good, like we're good, I
(12:50):
can make these tiktoks. But like nothing, I didn't think
anything of it, and he always made this joke kind
of like if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And
then something did happen, like over the course of one week,
and I like, I don't know. It wasn't even like
a question like well are you going to do it?
Like it just was kind of like we were kind
of like we both knew like okay, like we both
(13:12):
felt like, all right, well it's happening.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like you're gonna you're gonna manage me now.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And it was kind of like kis met and it
was like the perfect person to meet at the perfect time,
and like I couldn't imagine like doing it with like
any other people around me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I love that, see, And you couldn't You couldn't have
wouldn't have couldn't have ever planned that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, it was it was just like I thought I
had a plan, Like I was like, this is like,
oh you like maybe I'll reach one hundred thousand followers
by the end of the year, right, and then like
a million in a week. And I was like, and
Zach always believes in me, Like he's always like you're
gonna get to a million, like you're He's like always
like putting these like end goals for me.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right, well, that's not.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Gonna happen, right, But he literally said, like, you're gonna
get to a million by the end of the year,
and I was like, Zach, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
But he's just like the best.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's so it's it's I mean, I think what I
could try to tell you at twenty four is you
sometimes just have to let life happen because as an
anxious person, you're going to overthink it to the point
of no return. And it's like, I think you're already
seeing this success and I think it's sort of like
it's good for you to stay very real about it
(14:24):
and be like that's not going to happen and keep
yourself in check. But I think it's great to have
people around you that are your like cheerleaders, that are
there for the journey. And you know, I think it's great.
It's I think that's fantastic. And by the way, I'm
launching my TikTok soon and oh my god, I might
need some mentoring.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, if you need any help. TikTok is like my
I would. I pride myself and being pretty good at it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So that's great because I pride myself and really sucking
at it. I have not launched it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's like a language. Once you learn it, you kind
of like can get with it. Like it's it's really
just like a language, like it's like doing like dou
a lingo every day, like you kind of like have
to do your TikTok. Like I did not get it
at all. I remember like like watching like very confusing,
very confusing. I remember watching like the Charlie Demilio's and
everyone and being like, uh, huh the fuck are they
editing these?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't want to just and I remember my best
friend Brett and I were always like so confused.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We're like, how do we do this?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Once you get this, like it used to take us
four hours out at one TikTok, once you get this
jects done.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh my god. Yeah, I'm literally gonna need the one
oh one tutoring of this because you know, people keep going,
why aren't you on TikTok. I always hear your voice
on TikTok, your things from your show on TikTok. Like
it's like a whole new because I can instagram till
you know, I'm purple, Like it's that's that's my first language.
But now to your point, I.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Need to get another one. I do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I really do. Okay, so tell me about your pod
because it has a cult following and I want to
know how you got the name and like why and
what the obsession with octopus in this bougie kind of
life and I just I need I get you because
I speak you. I get it, like I totally get it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Kind of became this thing, like my friends always called
octopus puss like it was just the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It was like it just was a thing. And that's
like what I named the account.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And then like does your mother love that it's called puss?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, she thought it was she thought it was funny,
and she like she loved it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
She's like my like she's cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have two boys.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I do like yeah, like but she It's just like
everything kind of became play on puss. And it was
like I had this Instagram story called tell me What's Wrong,
and it would just I would give very blunt advice.
So when I'm thinking about making a podcast, I was like, Okay,
well I want to do that, and then we could
do like therapy and then I was like, oh, therapus.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like it was very.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Quick, like one two, right quick, and like it just
kind of hot. I remember the room I was. I
was in my old office, like I was. I was
there because my now manager, I was just with him,
and like I was sitting in like one of the
rooms with like my old coworkers.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And I was like, oh, therapus. And that's kind of
how it happened.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And then it just kind of like I didn't really
know what I was doing at first. I was so scared.
I was like, oh my god, like what is the point,
Like I feel like I shouldn't be doing this. And
then the pussies who are the people that follow me,
we really just like showed up for me. And like
my friend showed up for me. Everyone who I needed
to show up for me really showed up for me.
And so in return, I was like, I'm going to
(17:24):
show up tenfold and like I'm going to make this
my entire personality. And that's kind of like how it
kind of came to be.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And you wake up excited every single day to do
it all.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, I haven't been filming lately. I just filmed the
season finale. We're ending the season next week, forty two
episodes and or we call them sessions because it's therapy.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And then I'm going.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
To take it on tour in October and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's so much fun. Okay, what scares you? Like, what
is your biggest challenge in this new life of yours?
Because now it's been probably what like two years a year,
you've really been at a year and a half, I
mean really new. So you must have a lot of.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, looking like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's always been like my number one fear, like look
just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, I think that's a fear of yours.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Weirdly, it is, it's like I don't want to show
like I don't want to show up, and like number one,
have no one cares?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I think, like no one care?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, of course, you like look at him, like so
what he's doing is so embarrassing, He's so embarrassing. I
think it's just like I'm just so scared of being
embarrassed at all times, and like, I think that's why
I try to embarrass myself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I think that's kind of like a crux of comedy.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Like you know, it's I'm going to embarrass myself before
you can embarrass me.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I'm going to break up with you before you
break up with.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So it's like a lot of my humor is very
self deprecating because I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
Like if you think you're gonna do this, like I'm
going to do it, but like ten times, so you can't.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Even say anything.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's so interesting. I actually think we're freakishly similar in
a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because when I
was growing in my career, I think when I was
coming in my career, people would be like, what are
you so afraid of? And I'm like, because it was
never my intention to be in the public eye. I
think I never had an expectation for people to show
up for me. And I remember when I was younger
(19:26):
and I used to have birthday parties every year. I
was always like, nobody's going to come, Like, nobody's going
to come. And if if you ask my team, they
would say, what's the thing that people don't know about Rachel?
And they'd be like, they would tell you that she
like she thinks no one's coming to anything that she
ever does still today, so I so understand what you mean,
you don't. And I remember when I was doing my
(19:48):
show sort of like why does anyone want to watch this?
Like why does it? You know what I mean? And
that's a hard thing. And I think I think for you,
the greatest thing about TI Talk is just so instant, right,
Like it's so immediate, Like it's not like filming a
movie that no one's showing up to watch.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, it's less an ana curse because like kind
of gifted to this like immediate feed of course. So
like sometimes when things take time to grow as they do,
like Zach will have to tell me, like you like
like I remember, like for the podcast. He was like, so,
like you, nothing has gonnen until maybe a year or
(20:30):
two of you doing this, So just plan on you
doing this for a year or two.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Then it will start to grow. And I was just
I was like, so that's not going to cut it
in my book. Like I'm like, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like I'm going to full throttle this and like we're
making I'm going.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
To make it happen, right, But and look what happened.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, I'm so I'm so excited. I mean, I'm so
excited to tour because that's like.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The number one reason why I did the podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's like to have like a live show that I
can like, so like that that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well that's interesting because I actually was thinking it was
like you're such this big personality and you're so obviously entertaining.
I mean, do you have you ever in your life
thought like I want to be live, like I want
to do stand up Like I actually.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I used to take stand up.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I took stand up classes for a few months when
I was It's scary.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's like my worst fear, Like I can't even carryoke.
That's like my actual worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it is the scariest thing in the world. I
do it the Gotham you know, the Gotham Comedy Club
in Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Uh huh. I was seventh grade, so that was fun and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I remember being like, oh, I like this, but then
like high school happened and I'm too embarrassed to do anything.
Everything's fucking embarrassing school and everything. You like lose yourself
and just like the worst time, it's the worst. And
so I'm happy that like I'm I've found this myself
again and like I'm able to be like, no, this
is what I want to do, and it really is
just who you surround yourself with.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Honestly, it really is. I mean, okay, so I know
this seems like a logical question coming from me, but
I'm I'm curious, Like do you like fashion? Like meaning
like would you ever want to do anything in the
world of fashion or is that like terrifying to you?
In zero interest?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like that is like the epitome of like cool for me,
So like yeah, like, of course I would love to
do anything in fashion, Like are you kidding? Like my
mom like took me to a fashion show once when
I was like eight years old. I were like one
do you remember it was?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
When's the Funny's lamb collection?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes? I was probably there.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I have I show you a photo of me. I
was very little. I was like I was in a hoodie.
It was ridiculous. But I love fashion. I used to
take like my mom loves fashion and I don't. I'm
not a very fashionable person, but I I love it.
I think it's so cool. Like I went to like
one fashion show last year. I went to the Tommy
Hill figure show and it was.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Like, oh, yeah, experience in my life.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's the best, Who's the sweetest human ever.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's yeah awesome, And like.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
My greatest mentor in my life, in my in my career.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He gave me my first big break. When I was
twenty four five.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Are you s here? What were you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
He gave me the biggest job of my life. I
had just gone free lance, I'd been working for a magazine.
I was your age, and he called me into his
office because I knew his brother Andy, and I had
been pulling Denham from his brother. He was doing like
a j Lo Denham collection his brother Andy and Tommy
called me into his office and I was so nervous.
I'd had no idea what was happening. And he basically
(23:26):
gave me a two week massive ad campaign for his
main collection, for the Younger collection. The first week was
shot in Austin with like ten major celebrities, and the
second week was out here in LA at the Griffith
Observatory with like literally thirty male and female supermodels of
(23:47):
the time. And I led the entire thing. And I
looked at him like, why are you giving me this job?
Like I can't. I'm I don't know that I can
do this, and he was like, yes, you can. I
know you can't. And I didn't even know him.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
It was.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was the most terrifying experience of my life. But
I did it and I had like four hundred panic
attacks on the job, right, like what I did and
it got very ready.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, but I yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Would you go back to fashion Week? Like I feel
like you have to hit fashion Week?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yes, of course if I'm invited, of course I always.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But I'm like so not inherently a fashionable person, but
like that's why, that's why I want.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I just I feel so hollywood to me, it feels
so cool.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It feels so like I don't know, I remember, like
I used to remember like love like thinking it was
the coolest thing in the world when I was a kid.
So yeah, I mean yeah, of course, Like I would
die to go back to fashion Week, Like it's something.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tells me you are going to have a lot of
invites to fashion week and you're going to take your
mom as your day.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh my god, my mom would die. She would die,
you would die.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She would just be like on her phone taking photos
the whole time, like thinking it was the coolest thing
in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's my forecast for you. I feel like fashion weeks
and mom as your date. I just I see it.
You were actually you were born in two thousand, nineteen nine,
ninety nine nine, Okay, so like two thousand, probably like
two thousand to two thousand and probably five before I
moved out to LA it was twenty four to seven.
(25:20):
Backstreet Brittany in Sync, Jessica Enrique literally like music videos,
album covers, touring.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
As crazy as the time seemed.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
It was more than it seemed. It was the craziest.
I would have like one hundred rocks of clothes, like
for the guy, I mean Prada adult in this one,
and I needed like I would have fifty racks because
each guy needed like five changes and they needed like
it was the craziest. I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep
for eleven years.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm pretty that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah. But it was fun and it was boot Camp
and it was the best, and it was the music
industry was, you know, at the height of pop culture.
Just being that I was shooting covers of Rolling Stone,
I mean it was it was really really really fun.
It was really crazy and really fun and just you know,
it's funny. I think about it now and people ask
me about it, and I remember it like in real time, Like, right,
(26:12):
that happened.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I was in Monaco with Britney Spears when she ripped
her skirt because it was too long and just tore
it and then ripped her t shirt because she wanted
it cropped.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know that kind of thing you would do stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I would put her in catoure and then she would
literally like go into the dressing room, come out and
like it was cropped, and I was like, that's sure.
I just I think, yeah, I did. I died, like
I literally died. I've died one hundred and twenty deaths
in yeahh right for sure. Okay, So tell me hopes
(26:46):
and dreams beyond today, Like what in your mind is
like the next or do you just try to live present?
But knowing you for the last hour, I'm thinking you
don't live in the present and you're constant thinking about
the next thing. I mean, I never lived in the present,
so I'm working on that still.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Ever, it's just who I am. I try, but it's
like I really want to get into acting. That's like
a dream of mine. And I want to kind of
turn therapist into like late night for gen Z.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I feel like there's no late night for gen Z.
I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Know people like my parents that watch it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, and I like I I think late night is
such a cool concept. It's so American, and it's so
it's been around forever, Like I would hate to see
it go away, so like I would love I would
love to like kind of like turn Therapist into a
late night for like the new James Corden kind of
like but yeah, yeah, not the.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Days old, but you know what I mean. Yes, But
I have a question, So does then not live on
television or does in your mind? Would that live on
television or in some kind.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Of other I think I would it would live on
streamers in a live sense, so it would be live
like Underson Time a week and then you could watch
it after as well.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Genius, I love it, I'd watch it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's my idea.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, So let's manifest that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I know. I'm trying. I'm really trying to manifest.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like my ideal dream would be like Netflix Live three
times a week, late night musical guest talent fits, Jake
Shane Late Night Live.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I see this for you. I see this for you,
not only do I see it for you, but I
actually see you like as the next like Dave Letterman,
You're going to be doing it until you're eighty.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Oh like I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's the thing is, like I never want to swop
entertaining like I always just like I'll always want to.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It doesn't feel like work. Ever.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
We like to do this with all of our death.
Rachel's going to give you a little rapid round of
question and then I'm gonna let you go. And it
doesn't great, It doesn't. You don't have to answer in
like one word or anything. You can elaborate if you
need to, you can do it. It's just to know
you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I obviously already know the first answer Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You know it depends on the day.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, that's fair. Day one star signed. You would never
date a Leo fair a scorpio and a Leo would
like implode. Yeah, okay. The food item you can't live without, which.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think I know it's octopus, but it's also white rice.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Interesting, Okay, Okay, that's fair. I don't think my son
could live without veryways, Netflix and chill or Dance on Tables,
Dance on Tables any of that. I test in my mind.
I answer the question and ask myself, if you were arrested,
what would it be.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
For God, Like, if it was two years ago, would
probably be like doing something drunk and stupid in college,
but probably like like drunken disorderly, Like I don't like,
That's what I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, favorite beauty product I.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Use like Linne's lip mask I really like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, And I like like my road Face wash yeah good, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
And I like my drunk Elephant Bronzer.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So good, so good. I love that one. Okay, who
is your.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Hero Taylor Swift?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I have even watching here everyone's fucking hero. Okay, favorite TikToker,
Favorite TikToker.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's a good question, trying to think of who I
who I religiously watch.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
My favorite TikToker is probably my best friends. I like
watching what they have to pose, like Brau all that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Because you're invested in it too. Okay, New York or
La La favorite TV show.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Of all time?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Girls on HBO.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Okay nineteen eighty nine. Or Torture Poets.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Department nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh my god, you're the cutest. I endure you, Jake.
I'm so happy we met.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm so happy. This was so fun, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I can't wait to be your best friend, and I
can't wait take hang out. And I'm terrified to lodge TikTok.
So you're going to have to help make it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Don't be, don't be, I will help you.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That is a whole new world, and you know us
people with anxiety. That is hard, very that is hard.
I'm I'm sending you the most love to have a
beautiful week. I hope I see you soon.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, I will see you soon. Thank you for having
me so hi.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
To your mom, I will, I will, I will. Thank
you so much to Jake for being on the pod.
You are such a star at such a young age,
and I honestly love the most your humor and transparency.
I just laughed this entire episode. We had so much fun,
and you know, he taught me a lot. I feel
(31:27):
like I am ready to embrace the very scary world
of TikTok and I'm hoping that Jake will be my
new friend and hold my hand through it, because it
will be a whole new world for me. So thank
you so much to everyone for listening to Climbing and Heels.
If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeart app, or wherever you get
(31:49):
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