May 31, 2024 • 47 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe goes back to the beginning to watch Season 1 Episode 1 of The Rachel Zoe Project. The episode where Rachel Zoe is under pressure to find the perfect red carpet gown for actress, Joy Bryant. Rachel's styling associate and right-hand woman, Taylor, has doubts about the newly hired, Brad.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. Well, the time has finally come.
So many of you have been commenting on my Instagram
or sending dms that you're rewatching the Rachel Zoe Project. Sue,
I thought it was finally a time to rewatch season
(00:30):
one myself and give you a little behind the scenes
insights on what was really going down. A few guests
and visitors will be popping in to help me break
it all down, and I'm joined by my producer Mary
Elizabeth to keep me on track. So here goes nothing.
Because I am asked probably every other day about my
(00:53):
former assistance on the show being Brad and Taylor. And
you know, I'm not doing this series to talk about
Brad and Taylor. I'm going to make it real easy.
I don't talk to either of them.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I am not friends with either of them. I don't
know what they're doing and I wish them well, and
so I'm not here to answer a million questions about
my relationship with them. So I just want to lay
that out there on the table. This is not a
you know, you wish them well.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I wish them well, and we're going to rewatch through
your eyes exactly amazing, which is, by the way, I'd
like to also throw it out there, really hard.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
For me, really hard for me. It's a little bit
of like, this is your life.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So Rachel literally just watched episode one with me and
another colleague of ours, and how are you feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How do you feel overall? I feel completely weird. You
feel weird. I feel weird. I feel like I kind
of know why everyone makes fun of my voice. I
don't know why I talk like this. I guess it
was my birth given voice. Yep, but it really sounds
crazy to me. I cannot believe how much hair and makeup,
(02:08):
how much hair and makeup I actually had on. And
it was funny because Joey Malouf, who you know, I
still speak to now and then, and he'll just be like,
I can't believe you didn't fire me after the first
season from making you look that crazy. I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm in the court of opinion that you looked like yourself.
You just had darker eye makeup on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think we just didn't know, like what the camera
would show or not show, And so I think in
Joey's defense, I think you just piled it on, thinking
like terally if you're in like TV lighting, which we
were not, you're in reality show.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So you're going in and out of like actual setup
lights to natural light to a little bit of light too.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You could see the really intense bags under my eyes light, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How do you feel when you hear the theme music?
I haven't it in so long that it just made
me like smile. I was just like, oh my god,
we're going back finally.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think I'm really like sort of reliving a again,
like this is your life. Like I have all these
girlfriends now that are like, oh my god, I'm binging
it again. Oh my god, let's do a viewing party,
let's whatever. And when you did this, it's what And
I'm like, wow, it's a blur. And I think for me,
it's completely wild to watch and I I feel myself
(03:30):
inside my head when I watch it. If that makes sense, Yeah,
you can go back there. I mentally I remember like
how I was feeling. That's a good thing. I will say.
I do seem completely unaware that there was a camera
on me, which I can't figure out was a good
or bad thing, but maybe that really kept the authenticity
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of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, look, we're season one, episode one, you're you're a newbie.
You're a newbie, and my one of my favorite things
was that you're intro your intro video package. Is you
shopping for vintage yea, which I'm sad to say doesn't
really happen that often anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, I think if you watch the show, which happened
over five years, right, if you could even just take
in what I shopped for in those five years, you
one may argue I don't need anything for the rest
of my life, and then add on another ten years
to that, and I think I do shop now, but
much more specifically, like now, it's sort of like, Okay,
(04:34):
I have a major event, what vintage could toure count?
Would I look for now or something? Or I pull
from my archives a lot?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So you were really, I mean you you really were
shopping lot.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I also was truthfully making so much money and
didn't have children, right, so, and Roger was making so
like we were the classic example of.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like we were a successful heart of Dink, Yes exactly,
we were no kid.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes we were dual income, no kids, and Roger and
I have a lot of laughs about this sort of
lack of stress, real life stress we didn't have in
those days because we had no kids. And so I
think when you're both making money and living pretty well,
it's like, there's that disposable income, it goes to close.
(05:25):
It's nice. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So the episode kicks right in with a fitting. You're
fitting for Joy Bryant, who was a client of yours
for a while, right a couple of years, and she's
going to the Art of Elysium gala, which is a
Vogue event in Los Angeles, and we as an audience
get to see your studio for the first time, which
(05:49):
was also your home.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So you've been doing work from home before, long before
work from home.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Long before there was a pandemic. What was it like
having your studio in your home.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean, to me, it was natural. I never wanted
anything else. I always I mean, here's the thing. I
was working at such a pace that if my office
was not in my home, I would have never been home,
right because the clients I was working with, a lot
of them were on major television shows like Jen Garner
and people like that. So their schedules were so insane. Yeah,
(06:24):
Like I had to go to their trailers on their
like dinner break, which sometimes was like midnight was dinner
break based on when they started got to set. So
I think for me, you know, having a husband and
trying to like have some tiny drop of home time, yes,
(06:46):
I had to have it in my home. And also,
like throughout my entire career, my social life and my
work life were the same. Yeah, all of my friends
were in the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It was blended, was right, So there was no like
and that studio slash your home was pretty centrally located
to where you needed to be most of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, because we were in the Hollywood. We were in
the West Hollywood in up Sunset Plaza, and so we
you know, my clients were basically like ten minutes in
either direction. Sure, but most of them came to the studio, right,
Most of them came to the studio, and then the
others I would go to them that were like the
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you know, like I said, like the Gen Garners or Samahayeks,
and it was a mix of both depending on their schedules.
So I would always give them the options. Some of
them preferred to do it in my studio because it's
less invasive to sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And everything you need as a stylust is there, or
you can put it all in one place, so.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hopefully it even is more efficient. Do you move faster
for us? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, So there's a scene where Joy Bryant puts on
a Jambatista dress. It doesn't work out. It kicks us
off into where we need to find Joy more looks.
But question Joy is going. So in your studio the
way it's laid out, there was a table in the middle,
the racks are around the room. Joy is going up
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the stairs and coming back in the dress. So where
were your clients changing? Was there a bathroom up there?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
There was an office, like an actual office with desk,
and then there was my room and a guest room. Okay,
so yeah, she was changing in my room because she
was alway a close friend, right yeah. So, and don't
forget like Brad was new, so these girls were not
like stripping in front of him. Sure, sure, sure, And
that was the first time I had a boy working
for me ever. Ever, so you got this question a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Was Brad hired before the show or was the show.
Was he already going to work for you and then
that happened? Or was he hired as a add on
for the show?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He was hired for the show. Okay, I needed another assistant,
so two things were correct. Okay, the idea was that
I hired him because I needed another assistant actually for
my job, but I also wanted someone who was comfortable
on camera. Sure, right, right, right right? That makes sense? Okay,
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got that? So and he actually has it turned out
wanted to be an actor, so oh, there you go.
Didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The more you know, there you go, the more you know.
So it doesn't work out for Joy with the dresses
that you have in the studio.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So then Joy, for those of you that don't know,
was beautiful, is beautiful actor and on a lot of
things at that time. And she was a huge fashion
darling in a Vogue loved very much by Vogue and
stunningly beautiful, stunningly beautiful and the sweetest, coolest girl ever.
So yeah, she definitely off for sure. It's super fun
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to dress. So then you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Venture to a place to seemingly pull more looks for Joy,
aka you shop yourself at decades. So tell everybody about
Decades what it is, what.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was, Well, Decades Bill is here and it was
at the time one of the number one and also
one of the very first like luxury vintage shops in
Los Angeles. I mean, it's got to be twenty years
old now, Cameron Silver is the founder. It still exists,
It's still a huge destination online and in person. He
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then launched a part that was also like sort of
newer consign, you know, like more modern resale, So he
was one of the very first to do that as
well of designer clothes. But I know Cameron as sort
of one of the best finders dealers of proper vintage
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and vintage couture, and even before I moved to LA
I would go see Cameron. Cameron Silver, founder of the
Iconic Decades, is a longtime friend of mine and wanted
to share his thoughts on the show.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I remember shooting the Scissor reel for the Rachel Zoe Project,
and this was really before Nonscripted and fashion television had
merged together. So Rachel was really the first to create
a reality television show about fashion and styling and Hollywood dressing.
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So there was a lot of interest when the show
became part of a series, and still to this day,
you know, all of these years later, people will say, oh,
I first knew about Decades because of the Rachel Zoe project,
And I remember Rachel coming into Decades and wanting a
burke in or an evening gown. So it's really nice
to have those memories and realize how the show was
(11:40):
an incredible part of demystifying Hollywood and red carpet dressing
and vintage and it really all started with Rachel.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I love you so much, Cameron, and thank you, thank you,
thank you. Right, you know, get something. I mean, I
never left their empty handed out he's your really won't
go yeah person, I had to hide things from Roger.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Like oh yeah, I mean you do touch on that
in the In the show, you're basically, I mean, alluding
to the fact that you do sneak a little shopping
by Roger all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think it doesn't You.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Also are contemplating buying a Barkin. I don't know if
you did that day.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I can't remember because I don't remember what was the color.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Oh gosh, I think it was like, well, you're holding
like a chestnut brown one, huh. And then you're looking
at one that's black that has like I want to say,
like red piping around it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I didn't get the red piping. Do you remember what
I'm saying? Okay, I didn't get the red piping, but
I got the chestnut.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well see, And then we also were saying the
Chanel necklace that you pulled from.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Decades during the scene, and I definitely got that. I
don't know, but I'd love to find her because I'd
really love to wear her.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do you think she's in your mom's jewelry?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
There is a chance that my mother. You know, life
is this big full circle because half of what I
own I stole from my mother's closet and she still
to this day doesn't even know it's missing. And like,
until I wear it, she'll be like is that mine?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And now when my mom comes to visit, I'll like
catch her in my closet and all of a sudden
she's like in my car with my sunglasses or like
an earring. She's like, I just thought i'd try these.
I'm like, did you want to ask?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
She's like, I'm your mother. I'm like, you still have
to ask, Like I'm a virgo, you don't take things
from me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, So I wonder where that necklace went. But I hope,
I hope it turns up one dick because it's a beautiful,
massive like that's the other thing. It's almost too big
to lose, right, So where is it? Where is it?
The mystery will continue? Okay, So then you have a
scene about your needing to go on a.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Trip to New York.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You're leaving Taylor to keep pulling for joy because you
guys haven't found the right thing yet, and you're going
to take Brad. So a lot of the questions we're
getting and seeing is was the dynamic between the two
of them really that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Intense in terms of she very.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Much disliked him and thought he wasn't doing a very
good job or was it for camera?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No, No, she hated him. She didn't actually like him. No, No,
she wanted to torture him because she thought he thought
he was better than everyone. She thought I was babying him.
She thought I favored him, Okay, she thought he was entitled.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Like yeah, so that wasn't necessarily that was happening in
real life and it was translated to the show.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
She was annoyed, She's like he's lazy and he was annoyed.
Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha because it did, but Taylor was
always annoyed, but it did.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, it definitely comes off that way for sure, because
it also feels like kind of that like devil Worst
Proud a moment where Emily was going to go to
Paris Fashion Week and then exactly and then you know,
Andy gets to go and it kind of that vibe.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah too, And in hindsight, like I really did give
him too much too soon, Like I don't know what,
because I think he was very like as if my
son calls it glazing, so like right, you know, which
is always like you look beautiful, this client like he
was always so sweet about it, right you know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, you say out one of the scenes, you were
like or not you were like, gotta throw him in
the deep end to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, that's the thing. I think. It's a little bit
like learning to swim. But I you know, the theory
is do you tread, do you teach them a bit
by better, or do you just throw them the water? Right?
But I will say with me, I mean I was
thrown right into it and I learned really quick and
no one handed me anything, no one taught me anything, right,
(15:44):
And so there's part of me that's sort of like,
let's just see what he's made of, like can you
handle this? Because you know right away at that point, yeah,
like he can't handle it or he can't write, you know. Yeah,
it makes sense if.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You you experienced that growing up or like coming up,
that that would be how you would also expect others
who are learning and working under you to work. But
kind of like here, take a lot and see how
one hundred the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But the other thing is Taylor was very very clear
she didn't want attention and she didn't want to go
to New York. She didn't as you can see in
the show, like she complained about everything, right, so like
she was not It was not like don't take him,
take me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It wasn't that, yeah you know what I mean? Yeah,
I could always sort of like take him or nobody.
I guess, right, because I don't care. I don't think
she was trying to go.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Gotcha, that makes sense, you say, that's how I felt.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You then have a scene with Roger at Earth Cafe,
which Earth Cafe is such an iconic LA institution, what
air one is now, right, it gave me all the
feel so give us a little like Earth Cafe, a.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
T well cafe was like, I mean, it's still here
and they're still packed twenty four to seven all the time. Wild.
But the one on like Melrose and Westbourne, I think
I've been going to since I was twenty one years old,
since I first came.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
To LA And at that time, the paparazzi culture was
so crazy that everyone was getting their photo taken outside
of Earth Cafe, outside of Kitsen, outside of one. That
whole paparazzi era was at its height.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And the Ivy right, the Ivy coffee Bean.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, So to see the Earth Cafe logo it was
it made me so happy.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I was like, oh my god. And it's still exactly
the same. It's still the same. It's still so funny.
Still no waiters, no weight online. That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You ordered the counter and then you sit down if
you can get a table. That's also part of the
fun of Earth Cafe. Okay, So you do end up
going to New York. You go into Michael Correr's showroom,
which is very special to me.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He is very special to you. Well, yes, and and
I'll tell you the most the most amazing thing about
Michael was you have to remember and by the way,
still about Michael is that at that time I was
one of the very very first television shows like docuseries.
So like I think what was before me, the real
world or something was before me.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, there was a there was a few reality show concepts,
but it wasn't nearly as commonplace as unscripted TV is now.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right, And it wasn't docuseries. It was a little more
format totally. And and so I think the fashion world
was terrified and they were already like wanting to see
me go down. So most of the people that I
would have wanted to ask, most of them were like,
(18:50):
oh no, no, Like the really fashiony fashion people were like,
oh no, no, we don't do television that because of
the way to commercial for us. I see. So it
was like a huge flat noe. And Michael, being not
only kind and not only incredibly successful and not only
a friend, but was like, yeah, I get the marketing
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power of what this could be. Sure, And so he
was like sure, like this sounds fun, great, Like you know,
Michael Oscar a handful of others, but not what you
would think, whereas I think today everyone would do it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's so interesting that so many people were rubbed the
wrong way. Yeah, if you will, about television or about
like shining a light on fashion. It's almost like they
were wanting to keep it all for themselves or they
were just afraid of it becoming too commercialize.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah. I think they was too cool for school. It's
like why LA wasn't cool, right concept it was like cheesy, yeah,
juicy sweats and that makes sense. Well, Michael Carr is
a legend.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He it's endearing now to see the conversation you guys
have in that scene because you're talking to him about
having your own brand and creating your own products one day,
which you've now done.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
A lot of. And then you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Also say, Michael, when am I supposed to have time
to have a baby, which is really.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sweet, Which is so funny because that was like five
years before I did, or four years before I actually did. Yeah,
and he I was talking, I was thinking about talking
about thinking about it, right, it was like sort of
sort of in your mind.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And it was so funny because he said, oh, you'll
just have like one of the fashion babies. Where you
go in for a sasarean on the twentieth and you're
in a like he dress on the twenty fifth, like
ready to go, keep moving, keep shaking.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That's exactly what he did, and I think a lot
of fashion girls like have them in between collections.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He was hilarious in that advice and you literally took
his advice.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I did, and he's so funny and he was so
sweet and we had so much fun. And then to
many designers followed him. That was the thing, like, right,
so many people are like, oh well Michael did it.
Oh well, Diane from Fersenberg did it. You know, in hindsight,
when I think about it, the people that did it
are are genius marketers and know the power of PR
and marketing, right, you know, in addition to obviously their talent.
(21:17):
But I think amplification.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right, This was before like Facebook and Instagram took off,
So this was a different kind of marketing strategy hundred
percent before social media. But yeah, he's he's lovely in
that scene, and he's obviously a very fun beloved designer.
So then you head into this branding meeting, you call Roger.
(21:39):
He's back in la you know, in the sunshine. You're
on a loud street saying that you're nervous wishing he
was here. So when did you you traveled by yourself?
Which was like, I'm like what, but I probably didn't.
You probably did well, Brad did go right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Go. And for anyone who knows Rachel, now, she like
only flies with Roger. Yeah, like only fly with Well,
you and I just flew together, right, I have to
fly with a safe person.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, but before that, you used to be on planes
by yourself all the.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Time, and I was styling. I flew everywhere all the time,
but I still got super anxious before I got on
the plane. I would have like a mild panic attack. Yeah,
I'm not a great flyer, right right right right? Not
still not and really not still yeah and really not.
H Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think we did an episode about that actually, So
looking back.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
On you sitting in that branding meeting, how do you
what did you feel? It's pretty wild because what I
remember very clearly when I watched that is how genuine
I was meeting. Nothing I said or did was for
the show, if that makes sense, because they would say
to me, oh, Rachel, we need this from you, and
(22:57):
I just kind of like ignored them and just like
I did me because I just felt like I wasn't
going to lie to people, and like just being my
authentic self was very important to me in the show
and being unscripted. And you know, of course there's like
those interview things, you know, in between where they try
and get information about the scenes and stuff. Then that's fine,
(23:21):
But I think in terms of us shooting, especially in
something like that, I remember feeling very torn and in
a tug of war within myself because I loved styling
so much, and I loved what I was doing so much,
and I loved my clients so much. Yeah, but I
was working twenty four seven, and I was also trying
(23:42):
to figure out it was very obvious to me, or
starting to be very obvious to me, that my clients
wanted me there, and if I couldn't be there, they
didn't really want my assistance there. Sure, And I you know,
I understand it, because you know, when I think about it,
it's sort of like if I'm hiring a lawyer and
(24:04):
I'm paying that lawyer. Yep, I don't want their associate.
I want them, right of course, So I get that
the problem is being a stylist is very hard to
scale because it's based on you. You don't have anything tangible,
you don't own anything, so it's a service business. And
so I was sort of trying to figure out where
(24:27):
I land in the future because I don't think it's
sustainable to do this forever. And so how do all
these opportunities coming at me? Like, you know, we want
to take the Rachel's O brand, it's a household name.
We want to do bedding, and we want to do kids,
and we want to do champagne glasses, and we want
to do you know, housewares and all these figrants and
(24:48):
sunglasses and all these things that are signature to you.
And that really excited me a lot. And then I thought, Okay,
I barely have time to take a shower, So how
am I doing that without letting down my clients? Right?
And so I think for me that was a daily struggle,
(25:11):
you know that I was dealing with every day, right,
I was really thinking about it, and you know me, like,
I don't stop thinking opportunities are coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You want to be able to like jump on it,
ride the lightning, but it's going to be at a
cost of the relationship. You have with your clients, or
hinder the work you're able the amount of work you're
able to do for each client, which totally I could
definitely see that. But isn't it crazy for you to
watch that branding meeting now when you've had so many
(25:45):
opportunities now that like the Rachel Zoe name label brand
is absolutely out there in the world and successful and
people talk to you about it all the time and
they're interested in your products, and like, isn't that like.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Pinch me, like a dream come true? Like you made
it happen. Well, it's weird because I have not watched
my show until just now. I have not watched my
show since two thousand and eight fifteen fourteen whenever I
finished it, I mean fourteen. Oh okay, okay, I thought
(26:20):
you were going to be No. No, I just mean
like I haven't. I really haven't watched it. No, I know,
and I think so it's hard for me to sort
of be like, Wow, I dreamed all these things and
look they happened until like as we're sitting here talking,
because I don't know that I remembered dreaming them because
(26:41):
they've happened in real time. So it's sort of like,
I think, like life happens so fast, right, And I
think the most polarizing part of my life has been
becoming a mother, and so for the last thirteen years
it's almost like being a mom is up here, and
then all of these businesses and opportunities are like right
under that. So I think there's like this like mask
(27:04):
over it a little bit where you're like, be the
best mom, be the best at work.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The woman who was sitting in that chair, who was
so scared to have that meaning a because you were
scared about what they were going to present to you,
would be you didn't have Roger. You're a safe person there.
You did it yourself. And now you can look back
and say, you've that girl sitting in that chair definitely
did what.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She set out to do. Yeah, and it's also weird
and then some And by the way, I'd like to
also know none of it was with those people that
I had.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
True true, But and it happens a little bit later, Yes,
in a big way. It happened a little bit later.
But you should be proud of yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, I guess I am. I mean I like it. Yes,
I mean, it's it's really amazing to see and I think,
you know, I always kind of joke that my life
has been a blur, and I think when I do
interviews or we talk like this, and I'm like, yes,
all of that did happen. It happened, And you know,
I think I think any I think busy woman would
(28:04):
probably say there aren't really so many moments where you
stop and pat yourself, right sure, And then I think,
I think now I would say, you know, I still
have a lot left to do. I still love what
I do. I have the greatest team in the world.
I don't have people that make me uncomfortable, and I think,
(28:25):
you know, I think that comes with experience. Yeah, I'm age,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, definitely, I think definitely you've seen a lot, a
lot more than that girl that said at the end
of that conference table.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, I think the naive part of me has gone
out the window, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So you do say one of your quotes in episode one,
fashion puts me to sleep at night and wakes.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Me up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Do you think that's still true, I mean, other than
physically your kids.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, Like, yeah, yeah, I would say in the literal,
since my kids put me to sleep and they literally
wake me up. I set my alarm in thirteen years.
But I would.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Say, in some respect, yes, you still feel that passionate
about I.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Do, but different I do, but different because fashion is
you know, I will say this. When I walk into
my archive, I still light up. I light up. I
light up, and I look at the things in my
archive as if every single piece in there is a
piece of my life, like I really genuinely do. And
(29:36):
I have no regrets about spending the most ridiculously insane
amounts of money on my collection because I look at
every single thing as a story. Yes, And I would
say that fashion when I it is still a huge
part of me and a part of my soul for sure. Yeah.
(29:58):
And I think I always look through a lens of
fashion in everything I do because I'm constantly changing things
and wanting things to look pretty. And my sister was
just here and she just laughs at me because she's like,
go to sleep, and I'm like rearranging things in the
kitchen and the way the candle is and the book
(30:19):
is sitting or whatever. She's like, what is wrong with you?
I'm like, what is wrong with you that this doesn't
bother you? Right? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with you?
So the answer is yes, just different. It's okay, okay, yes,
but different you different worries. I'm not worrying about Cameron
Diaz's shoe that may not work with her doorca tore
gown she's wearing for the oscars, right, So I don't
(30:42):
think about that anymore, gotcha? Which is comforting. Yeah, because
that was a really noisy place to be in my head.
Oh god, I'm sure. I'm sure. And by the way,
at no fault of Cameron's no, not at all. It's
my own psychotic self that would just lie away staring
at the ceiling, or like worrying that brad Pits jeans
weren't going to fit right, or they weren't going to
be worn worn in properly to his liking.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You've given yourself a title of psychostylist disease, and it's true.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm plagued with it for life and you still have it.
It just came out las weekend with sky.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh I know, it's never it's it's it's in your DNA.
It's never going away, never going away. Another standout about
episode one for me was that you have a scene
in a sushi restaurant, and I literally laughed out loud
because if anybody knows anything about Rachel, like I don't
think I've ever.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't need sushi. I've never and you've.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Lived in La for a long time now and she
has never ever ventured into the sushi.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Realm or an Asian restaurant. I can't eat it right,
I'm literally allergic to it. There's something in it that
I'm highly allergic to that I developed later in life,
like in my early twenties, I all of a sudden
just would like fall on the floor in pain from
eating any Oh. And by the way, like that said
like tyv and these food is my favorite, like we're
French Vietnamese food at like indoshine and stuff, or was
(32:05):
the best food in the world, my favorite And I
just but sushi's in no fly zone for me. Any
raw fish's gross.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So when I saw the placement for this scene, I
was literally like one thousand percent this has nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
To do with you.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
This was a production production was like, let's go to
this sushi spot. We're gonna film a scene about yes,
X Y and Z you guys, sort of reprimanding Taylor
about being too hot on Brad.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Essentially a lot of and a lot of locations that
you see are typically because they allowed us to shoot, right,
they were a hundred permitted to shoot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Anyways, I thought that was so funny. I was like,
oh my god, Rachel was at a sushi restaurant.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
No, never, I've changed a lot, said no, one, you've
changed a lot. Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So the episode, towards the end, you guys finally find
the right dress.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
For Joy for Art of a. It's the red sack, right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, it's a gorgeous Zach Posen red gown. She looks
so beautiful, so stunning, And the best part that's still
so fucking true is you get Joy ready. She's literally
coming over or this could be real life or production.
I don't know how this panned out timeline wise, but
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she's supposed to be going like to the event from
your studio, like right, and it's last minute, right, and
you're like fumbling around, and of course Rachel has no
idea what she's gonna wear because you were also.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Attending the Art of Elysium.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And I'm like, wow, that that shit is still true.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Ye yep.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
You don't often know what you're gonna wear until you're
flying out the door, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Actually, I really don't. I can't commit to it, I
can't think about it. I was so much more obsessed
with what my clients were wearing than what I was wearing. Yeah,
like a thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You even talk about that, You're like, yeah, the joy
for me is seeing them light up and them feel beautiful,
and you just like, but what did you end up
throwing on?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
It was like a vintage not Ossie Clark. It was
a vintage like not Sondra Roads. It's on my head.
It was this black strapless from my archive. It's setting
this gorgeous like black strapless with like white tears with
black trim. Is it like tissue chiffon or something. I
think it was so skazie. I think it was a
(34:23):
vintage skazy gown and it was, Yes, it was chiffon.
It looked so like delicate and beautiful. It was. It was.
It was super comfortable, And I'm just laughing because I
think about it, and I'm like, you know, it's funny
because you know it's such a girl thing, like a
jealous girl thing when they go what are you wearing?
And sometimes girls are like I don't know when they
fully know, but the gatekeeping, the gatekeeping, and my friends
(34:48):
know me so well that they actually know. I don't know,
right right, I'm not keeping it from you. I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You actually have thirty five thousand brand names going through
your head in a given second. Yes, So another takeaway,
you have your hair half up and half down I know,
which I.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Hate so much. And I looked at that and I
hated it so much? What is your beef with that?
I hate it? Why I hate it? I think because like,
what is the trauma? I'll tell you half up hair
the trauma is. I think it reads Homecoming Queen a
little to me, and it reads when I was little,
(35:29):
my mom did that with breats a lot, And when
I look back, it really made my earstick out, and
I didn't like it. And I don't even have big ears.
I actually weirdly have small ears, but you don't. You've
never had big ears. I just it seems very bridesmaid,
(35:49):
not in that good way, because didn't you still argue
or bicker with Jennifer Garner about that, Like she wanted
to wear half up, half down hair, and you'd be like,
over my dead body. Pretty sure. I got in a
few fights with a deer about half up, half down
because he liked it or he was on your camp. Okay,
he liked it, and I did it, and I was like,
do anything you want, just don't do half up, half dout.
(36:10):
And one time he did it and he called me goes, whoops.
I just it just really was the best thing for
the dress. And I'm like, no, was it but one
of maybe one of two disagreements I ever got in
with the deer.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Really, I couldn't imagine you fighting with him in a
real fight, right, It was just like a yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I was deeply disheartened. That's really said about it.
But that's my point. Yeah, those things don't put me
to sleep anymore. The anxiety, and when I tell you
it was a polarizing panic, yeah, that I would have
about these things. And I very clearly remember like middle
(36:50):
of the night panics, like sweats, like cold sweats, about
gowns not showing up for a huge event, shoes not
being dyed the right color, like the client not being
happy the jewelry was taken by an evil stylist that
hated me, or like you know, my first choice Valentino
(37:12):
went to another stylist like those were the things that
were really polarizing at that time. And I don't know
that those kinds of things happen as much now because
I really didn't hear that a lot from stylists that
I'm friends with.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I feel like the industry is very different than when you.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I think the evil pettiness doesn't exist the way it did,
and I think the you know, we used to have
to fight for the dress off the runway, like I
would almost like tackle the model, like I would just
be like, give this to me, and I'd like literally
go backstage after the show and literally say to Oscar
like I want look one twelve, you know whatever, and
(37:55):
then they'd have to go to sales, and then Bergdorf
needed to see it, you know, and then we would
wait and we would get it literally literally like the
morning of the event, right, you know, it was terrifying.
That is reflected in the show. I mean, yeah, oh yeah,
as we keep putting that that is real, That is
so real. I cannot explain to you and God and
(38:16):
so and in kindsight, like it's weird because I knew
very clearly that we weren't saving lives. I knew very
clearly this was not brain surgery, This was not saving
lives in any way, and these were not real life problems.
But in the moment, with the amount of pressure from
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the actor or the musician or whoever I was working,
with the amount of pressure from the studio, the publicists,
the hair and makeup people, that the teams right that
were hiring you, that we're paying you for me, the
panic was generated. And you know me well enough now
after years, I cannot let a client down. And that
(39:05):
for me was a polarizing feeling that pretty much governed
my existence as a stylist. I cannot. I want my
client to be the happiest, most confident that they can
ever be, and if they don't feel fucking amazing when
they go out there, I suck, right, And that was
(39:27):
that a lot of pressure. That was my thing, and
I just and then you have all those people looking
at you, and you know, and also it's that thing
where like because I was considered to be the best,
you know, it's sort of like you got to stay
there right right. You can't fuck up?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, no, no, I mean, nor do you want to,
like you're such a person.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
No, But That's what I'm saying. I was driven by
the the way that like Cameron would look at me,
or the way that Ava or Selma or Kira or
Kate or any of these people, the way that they
relied on me to deliver. It's sort of like, no
matter how nice they were, you still had that you
(40:08):
carried that responsibility. And I think it's important to understand,
not to get too deep, but like you know, coming
off the Daily Front Row Awards recently, where you know
stylists spoke about what it means. Hairstylist A Deer talked
about the power of hair, and I think as a stylist,
for me, it was never about the dress, sure, it
was about what they were going through in that moment
(40:30):
and how terrifying it is to put yourself out there
in front of the world and if you don't feel
your best, your shit, you feel like shit. Yeah, And listen,
you've been with me enough where when i'm you know,
and I am no one compared to any of these people.
But on the smaller scale, when I feel like, oh
(40:54):
my hair is shit, my face shit, my skin, I'm tired,
I look like there's like tears that out because there's
this like anxiety and nerves that overcome you. And there
are a few clients that I was lucky enough to
work with that had that innate confidence where they didn't
have that insecurity that could be polarizing, like Kate Hudson, right,
(41:17):
like throw on the dress and be like, babe, let's
do it. You know, stunning Still, I mean it's still
you know, Yeah, I mean I get that you definitely.
I think, to your credit, have made all of your.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Clients feel like their most beautiful, best sexiest, most confidence self.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well, listen, I would say that right before I retired
from styling, I should say took a long pause. Sure
was one of my greatest styling moments with Jennifer Lawrence
and she I'll never forget it because she looked at
herself in the mirror And it was right after Ive
Caius and she looked at herself in the mirror right
as she walked out the door, and I was holding
her big train to make her lay down the card. Yeah,
(42:02):
and she said it's fine if I don't win, because
I look the best, you know, and that and she
said it in her typical like Jen Lawrence funny yes,
like of course, I fucking look good, you know. And
then I at that point I just was like, I'm
done right like that, I'm good now. That is the job.
That was the job, right, and I just said, like,
I can be done now right. So much of it
(42:24):
is out of your control, So much.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Of it relies on other elements coming together for the
perfect thing. But at the end of the day, it's
a service industry. If your client looks at you and says,
I feel amazing, it's.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Like you check, that's it? Did it? Yep? It can
be that simple, it's not.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It takes a lot, yes, but ultimately the payoff sign
off is when your client goes, I feel so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yes, and that's all you need. It's amazing, It's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We did have a lot of questions come in that
we didn't talk about that. I do want to hit
on okay before we wrap.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Up about episode one. Okay, can you.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Bring back the layering of the long tank top over
a cropped jacket.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
It looks so comfortable. I think we need it back,
so meaning longer layer under short jacket exactly. Yes, you
yourself were wearing a lot of I still wear it, right,
I still wear it well, because most of my jackets
are shorter and I like to wear tunics under that.
I just I'm more comfortable with that. Though I'm someone
(43:31):
who yes, the answer is yes, I will bring it back.
I will start wearing it again and put it up
on my story. Gotcha a client?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
A client question we did get that I thought was
interesting was did you ever have a conversation with a
client of yours that was coming on to the Rachel
Zoo project that said to you, I'm nervous about doing this,
or I'm anxious, or I I you know, I'm nervous
to do like a reality doc you TV thing, or
was everybody like I'm an actor and it's cool, or yeah,
(44:04):
this is fun.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Not many. It was mostly let me think about this. No,
it wasn't. It was more like, no, I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to remember. I think Anne Hathaway, if I
remember correctly, was like a little she was a little confused,
like how to be right, like because they have to
(44:33):
be themselves right right, And I was like, just do
you it's not a character right? Yes? Is you? Do
you? You know? Yeah, I'm trying to think. I think it
was more like a little tongue in cheek. It was
more funny, like they were sort of like what do
I do? And I just remember being like, just do you? Like,
don't pretend nothing's happening. We're just doing us.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Another question you got a couple of times, was have
you ever been on other reality TV shows?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Other reality TV shows? I was on The Simple Life,
You were on The Simple Life.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I was on which is also coming back, Like what's
going on with that?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And a teasing it. No, I don't think it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think they're going to do some sort of rebirth
of the Simple Life, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I thought it was a joke, but I maybe it's not.
I don't think it's a joke. I'm dying. Okay, Well
stay tuned for that. It's old is new. There we are.
What else was I on? I was on Project Runway.
I was on Project Runway a bunch Like I think
I did Project Runway like five times.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You were on I mean it's not stop Model. You
were on an America's ACCEP Model and you were as
you did gossip Girl, which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Reality TV, right, And I did Entourage and you did Entourage. Yeah,
those were your like, major, Well, what's so amazing is
now I'm rewatching Gossip Girl with my kids because their
friends are watching it. Skyler's girlfriends are like rich original
tional one. Oh yeah, okay, there's only one. There is
only one, and every guy wants to be Chuck Bass
(46:07):
And I was like, sky nice, try, you are innate. Archibald,
Oh yeah, you are innate. You are not a check.
I'm so sorry. I'm here for that though.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I think he should be the check. I mean, yeah,
I don't Chuck. Yeah, he likes Blair, Blair over.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Over Serena Okayan Blair, Well, he likes Brunette's. It's just
like not his mother. Yeah, I mean I get that too.
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Okay, everybody, we're gonna keep rewatching and keep chatting. Don't
forget to dm us any questions that you have at
Climbing in Heels pod and we're gonna have some fun
reach We're gonna have some surprises for you. Come on
to talk about season one.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
So god, stay tuned. If you want more Climbing in
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upcoming guests, episodes, and of course, all things Curetoric.
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. Well, the time has finally come.
So many of you have been commenting on my Instagram
or sending dms that you're rewatching the Rachel Zoe Project. Sue,
I thought it was finally a time to rewatch season
(00:30):
one myself and give you a little behind the scenes
insights on what was really going down. A few guests
and visitors will be popping in to help me break
it all down, and I'm joined by my producer Mary
Elizabeth to keep me on track. So here goes nothing.
Because I am asked probably every other day about my
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former assistance on the show being Brad and Taylor. And
you know, I'm not doing this series to talk about
Brad and Taylor. I'm going to make it real easy.
I don't talk to either of them.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I am not friends with either of them. I don't
know what they're doing and I wish them well, and
so I'm not here to answer a million questions about
my relationship with them. So I just want to lay
that out there on the table. This is not a
you know, you wish them well.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I wish them well, and we're going to rewatch through
your eyes exactly amazing, which is, by the way, I'd
like to also throw it out there, really hard.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
For me, really hard for me. It's a little bit
of like, this is your life.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So Rachel literally just watched episode one with me and
another colleague of ours, and how are you feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How do you feel overall? I feel completely weird. You
feel weird. I feel weird. I feel like I kind
of know why everyone makes fun of my voice. I
don't know why I talk like this. I guess it
was my birth given voice. Yep, but it really sounds
crazy to me. I cannot believe how much hair and makeup,
(02:08):
how much hair and makeup I actually had on. And
it was funny because Joey Malouf, who you know, I
still speak to now and then, and he'll just be like,
I can't believe you didn't fire me after the first
season from making you look that crazy. I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm in the court of opinion that you looked like yourself.
You just had darker eye makeup on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think we just didn't know, like what the camera
would show or not show, And so I think in
Joey's defense, I think you just piled it on, thinking
like terally if you're in like TV lighting, which we
were not, you're in reality show.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So you're going in and out of like actual setup
lights to natural light to a little bit of light too.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You could see the really intense bags under my eyes light, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How do you feel when you hear the theme music?
I haven't it in so long that it just made
me like smile. I was just like, oh my god,
we're going back finally.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think I'm really like sort of reliving a again,
like this is your life. Like I have all these
girlfriends now that are like, oh my god, I'm binging
it again. Oh my god, let's do a viewing party,
let's whatever. And when you did this, it's what And
I'm like, wow, it's a blur. And I think for me,
it's completely wild to watch and I I feel myself
(03:30):
inside my head when I watch it. If that makes sense, Yeah,
you can go back there. I mentally I remember like
how I was feeling. That's a good thing. I will say.
I do seem completely unaware that there was a camera
on me, which I can't figure out was a good
or bad thing, but maybe that really kept the authenticity
(03:52):
of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, look, we're season one, episode one, you're you're a newbie.
You're a newbie, and my one of my favorite things
was that you're intro your intro video package. Is you
shopping for vintage yea, which I'm sad to say doesn't
really happen that often anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, I think if you watch the show, which happened
over five years, right, if you could even just take
in what I shopped for in those five years, you
one may argue I don't need anything for the rest
of my life, and then add on another ten years
to that, and I think I do shop now, but
much more specifically, like now, it's sort of like, Okay,
(04:34):
I have a major event, what vintage could toure count?
Would I look for now or something? Or I pull
from my archives a lot?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So you were really, I mean you you really were
shopping lot.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I also was truthfully making so much money and
didn't have children, right, so, and Roger was making so
like we were the classic example of.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like we were a successful heart of Dink, Yes exactly,
we were no kid.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes we were dual income, no kids, and Roger and
I have a lot of laughs about this sort of
lack of stress, real life stress we didn't have in
those days because we had no kids. And so I
think when you're both making money and living pretty well,
it's like, there's that disposable income, it goes to close.
(05:25):
It's nice. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So the episode kicks right in with a fitting. You're
fitting for Joy Bryant, who was a client of yours
for a while, right a couple of years, and she's
going to the Art of Elysium gala, which is a
Vogue event in Los Angeles, and we as an audience
get to see your studio for the first time, which
(05:49):
was also your home.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So you've been doing work from home before, long before
work from home.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Long before there was a pandemic. What was it like
having your studio in your home.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean, to me, it was natural. I never wanted
anything else. I always I mean, here's the thing. I
was working at such a pace that if my office
was not in my home, I would have never been home,
right because the clients I was working with, a lot
of them were on major television shows like Jen Garner
and people like that. So their schedules were so insane. Yeah,
(06:24):
Like I had to go to their trailers on their
like dinner break, which sometimes was like midnight was dinner
break based on when they started got to set. So
I think for me, you know, having a husband and
trying to like have some tiny drop of home time, yes,
(06:46):
I had to have it in my home. And also,
like throughout my entire career, my social life and my
work life were the same. Yeah, all of my friends
were in the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It was blended, was right, So there was no like
and that studio slash your home was pretty centrally located
to where you needed to be most of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, because we were in the Hollywood. We were in
the West Hollywood in up Sunset Plaza, and so we
you know, my clients were basically like ten minutes in
either direction. Sure, but most of them came to the studio, right,
Most of them came to the studio, and then the
others I would go to them that were like the
(07:29):
you know, like I said, like the Gen Garners or Samahayeks,
and it was a mix of both depending on their schedules.
So I would always give them the options. Some of
them preferred to do it in my studio because it's
less invasive to sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And everything you need as a stylust is there, or
you can put it all in one place, so.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hopefully it even is more efficient. Do you move faster
for us? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, So there's a scene where Joy Bryant puts on
a Jambatista dress. It doesn't work out. It kicks us
off into where we need to find Joy more looks.
But question Joy is going. So in your studio the
way it's laid out, there was a table in the middle,
the racks are around the room. Joy is going up
(08:12):
the stairs and coming back in the dress. So where
were your clients changing? Was there a bathroom up there?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
There was an office, like an actual office with desk,
and then there was my room and a guest room. Okay,
so yeah, she was changing in my room because she
was alway a close friend, right yeah. So, and don't
forget like Brad was new, so these girls were not
like stripping in front of him. Sure, sure, sure, And
that was the first time I had a boy working
for me ever. Ever, so you got this question a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Was Brad hired before the show or was the show.
Was he already going to work for you and then
that happened? Or was he hired as a add on
for the show?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He was hired for the show. Okay, I needed another assistant,
so two things were correct. Okay, the idea was that
I hired him because I needed another assistant actually for
my job, but I also wanted someone who was comfortable
on camera. Sure, right, right, right right? That makes sense? Okay,
(09:15):
got that? So and he actually has it turned out
wanted to be an actor, so oh, there you go.
Didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The more you know, there you go, the more you know.
So it doesn't work out for Joy with the dresses
that you have in the studio.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So then Joy, for those of you that don't know,
was beautiful, is beautiful actor and on a lot of
things at that time. And she was a huge fashion
darling in a Vogue loved very much by Vogue and
stunningly beautiful, stunningly beautiful and the sweetest, coolest girl ever.
So yeah, she definitely off for sure. It's super fun
(09:47):
to dress. So then you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Venture to a place to seemingly pull more looks for Joy,
aka you shop yourself at decades. So tell everybody about
Decades what it is, what.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was, Well, Decades Bill is here and it was
at the time one of the number one and also
one of the very first like luxury vintage shops in
Los Angeles. I mean, it's got to be twenty years
old now, Cameron Silver is the founder. It still exists,
It's still a huge destination online and in person. He
(10:20):
then launched a part that was also like sort of
newer consign, you know, like more modern resale, So he
was one of the very first to do that as
well of designer clothes. But I know Cameron as sort
of one of the best finders dealers of proper vintage
(10:41):
and vintage couture, and even before I moved to LA
I would go see Cameron. Cameron Silver, founder of the
Iconic Decades, is a longtime friend of mine and wanted
to share his thoughts on the show.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I remember shooting the Scissor reel for the Rachel Zoe Project,
and this was really before Nonscripted and fashion television had
merged together. So Rachel was really the first to create
a reality television show about fashion and styling and Hollywood dressing.
(11:15):
So there was a lot of interest when the show
became part of a series, and still to this day,
you know, all of these years later, people will say, oh,
I first knew about Decades because of the Rachel Zoe project,
And I remember Rachel coming into Decades and wanting a
burke in or an evening gown. So it's really nice
to have those memories and realize how the show was
(11:40):
an incredible part of demystifying Hollywood and red carpet dressing
and vintage and it really all started with Rachel.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I love you so much, Cameron, and thank you, thank you,
thank you. Right, you know, get something. I mean, I
never left their empty handed out he's your really won't
go yeah person, I had to hide things from Roger.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Like oh yeah, I mean you do touch on that
in the In the show, you're basically, I mean, alluding
to the fact that you do sneak a little shopping
by Roger all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think it doesn't You.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Also are contemplating buying a Barkin. I don't know if
you did that day.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I can't remember because I don't remember what was the color.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Oh gosh, I think it was like, well, you're holding
like a chestnut brown one, huh. And then you're looking
at one that's black that has like I want to say,
like red piping around it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I didn't get the red piping. Do you remember what
I'm saying? Okay, I didn't get the red piping, but
I got the chestnut.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well see, And then we also were saying the
Chanel necklace that you pulled from.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Decades during the scene, and I definitely got that. I
don't know, but I'd love to find her because I'd
really love to wear her.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do you think she's in your mom's jewelry?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
There is a chance that my mother. You know, life
is this big full circle because half of what I
own I stole from my mother's closet and she still
to this day doesn't even know it's missing. And like,
until I wear it, she'll be like is that mine?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And now when my mom comes to visit, I'll like
catch her in my closet and all of a sudden
she's like in my car with my sunglasses or like
an earring. She's like, I just thought i'd try these.
I'm like, did you want to ask?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
She's like, I'm your mother. I'm like, you still have
to ask, Like I'm a virgo, you don't take things
from me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, So I wonder where that necklace went. But I hope,
I hope it turns up one dick because it's a beautiful,
massive like that's the other thing. It's almost too big
to lose, right, So where is it? Where is it?
The mystery will continue? Okay, So then you have a
scene about your needing to go on a.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Trip to New York.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You're leaving Taylor to keep pulling for joy because you
guys haven't found the right thing yet, and you're going
to take Brad. So a lot of the questions we're
getting and seeing is was the dynamic between the two
of them really that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Intense in terms of she very.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Much disliked him and thought he wasn't doing a very
good job or was it for camera?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No, No, she hated him. She didn't actually like him. No, No,
she wanted to torture him because she thought he thought
he was better than everyone. She thought I was babying him.
She thought I favored him, Okay, she thought he was entitled.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Like yeah, so that wasn't necessarily that was happening in
real life and it was translated to the show.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
She was annoyed, She's like he's lazy and he was annoyed.
Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha because it did, but Taylor was
always annoyed, but it did.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, it definitely comes off that way for sure, because
it also feels like kind of that like devil Worst
Proud a moment where Emily was going to go to
Paris Fashion Week and then exactly and then you know,
Andy gets to go and it kind of that vibe.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah too, And in hindsight, like I really did give
him too much too soon, Like I don't know what,
because I think he was very like as if my
son calls it glazing, so like right, you know, which
is always like you look beautiful, this client like he
was always so sweet about it, right you know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, you say out one of the scenes, you were
like or not you were like, gotta throw him in
the deep end to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, that's the thing. I think. It's a little bit
like learning to swim. But I you know, the theory
is do you tread, do you teach them a bit
by better, or do you just throw them the water? Right?
But I will say with me, I mean I was
thrown right into it and I learned really quick and
no one handed me anything, no one taught me anything, right,
(15:44):
And so there's part of me that's sort of like,
let's just see what he's made of, like can you
handle this? Because you know right away at that point, yeah,
like he can't handle it or he can't write, you know. Yeah,
it makes sense if.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You you experienced that growing up or like coming up,
that that would be how you would also expect others
who are learning and working under you to work. But
kind of like here, take a lot and see how
one hundred the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But the other thing is Taylor was very very clear
she didn't want attention and she didn't want to go
to New York. She didn't as you can see in
the show, like she complained about everything, right, so like
she was not It was not like don't take him,
take me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It wasn't that, yeah you know what I mean? Yeah,
I could always sort of like take him or nobody.
I guess, right, because I don't care. I don't think
she was trying to go.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Gotcha, that makes sense, you say, that's how I felt.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You then have a scene with Roger at Earth Cafe,
which Earth Cafe is such an iconic LA institution, what
air one is now, right, it gave me all the
feel so give us a little like Earth Cafe, a.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
T well cafe was like, I mean, it's still here
and they're still packed twenty four to seven all the time. Wild.
But the one on like Melrose and Westbourne, I think
I've been going to since I was twenty one years old,
since I first came.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
To LA And at that time, the paparazzi culture was
so crazy that everyone was getting their photo taken outside
of Earth Cafe, outside of Kitsen, outside of one. That
whole paparazzi era was at its height.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And the Ivy right, the Ivy coffee Bean.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, So to see the Earth Cafe logo it was
it made me so happy.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I was like, oh my god. And it's still exactly
the same. It's still the same. It's still so funny.
Still no waiters, no weight online. That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You ordered the counter and then you sit down if
you can get a table. That's also part of the
fun of Earth Cafe. Okay, So you do end up
going to New York. You go into Michael Correr's showroom,
which is very special to me.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He is very special to you. Well, yes, and and
I'll tell you the most the most amazing thing about
Michael was you have to remember and by the way,
still about Michael is that at that time I was
one of the very very first television shows like docuseries.
So like I think what was before me, the real
world or something was before me.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, there was a there was a few reality show concepts,
but it wasn't nearly as commonplace as unscripted TV is now.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right, And it wasn't docuseries. It was a little more
format totally. And and so I think the fashion world
was terrified and they were already like wanting to see
me go down. So most of the people that I
would have wanted to ask, most of them were like,
(18:50):
oh no, no, Like the really fashiony fashion people were like,
oh no, no, we don't do television that because of
the way to commercial for us. I see. So it
was like a huge flat noe. And Michael, being not
only kind and not only incredibly successful and not only
a friend, but was like, yeah, I get the marketing
(19:10):
power of what this could be. Sure, And so he
was like sure, like this sounds fun, great, Like you know,
Michael Oscar a handful of others, but not what you
would think, whereas I think today everyone would do it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's so interesting that so many people were rubbed the
wrong way. Yeah, if you will, about television or about
like shining a light on fashion. It's almost like they
were wanting to keep it all for themselves or they
were just afraid of it becoming too commercialize.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah. I think they was too cool for school. It's
like why LA wasn't cool, right concept it was like cheesy, yeah,
juicy sweats and that makes sense. Well, Michael Carr is
a legend.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He it's endearing now to see the conversation you guys
have in that scene because you're talking to him about
having your own brand and creating your own products one day,
which you've now done.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
A lot of. And then you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Also say, Michael, when am I supposed to have time
to have a baby, which is really.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sweet, Which is so funny because that was like five
years before I did, or four years before I actually did. Yeah,
and he I was talking, I was thinking about talking
about thinking about it, right, it was like sort of
sort of in your mind.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And it was so funny because he said, oh, you'll
just have like one of the fashion babies. Where you
go in for a sasarean on the twentieth and you're
in a like he dress on the twenty fifth, like
ready to go, keep moving, keep shaking.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That's exactly what he did, and I think a lot
of fashion girls like have them in between collections.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He was hilarious in that advice and you literally took
his advice.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I did, and he's so funny and he was so
sweet and we had so much fun. And then to
many designers followed him. That was the thing, like, right,
so many people are like, oh well Michael did it.
Oh well, Diane from Fersenberg did it. You know, in hindsight,
when I think about it, the people that did it
are are genius marketers and know the power of PR
and marketing, right, you know, in addition to obviously their talent.
(21:17):
But I think amplification.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right, This was before like Facebook and Instagram took off,
So this was a different kind of marketing strategy hundred
percent before social media. But yeah, he's he's lovely in
that scene, and he's obviously a very fun beloved designer.
So then you head into this branding meeting, you call Roger.
(21:39):
He's back in la you know, in the sunshine. You're
on a loud street saying that you're nervous wishing he
was here. So when did you you traveled by yourself?
Which was like, I'm like what, but I probably didn't.
You probably did well, Brad did go right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Go. And for anyone who knows Rachel, now, she like
only flies with Roger. Yeah, like only fly with Well,
you and I just flew together, right, I have to
fly with a safe person.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, but before that, you used to be on planes
by yourself all the.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Time, and I was styling. I flew everywhere all the time,
but I still got super anxious before I got on
the plane. I would have like a mild panic attack. Yeah,
I'm not a great flyer, right right right right? Not
still not and really not still yeah and really not.
H Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think we did an episode about that actually, So
looking back.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
On you sitting in that branding meeting, how do you
what did you feel? It's pretty wild because what I
remember very clearly when I watched that is how genuine
I was meeting. Nothing I said or did was for
the show, if that makes sense, because they would say
to me, oh, Rachel, we need this from you, and
(22:57):
I just kind of like ignored them and just like
I did me because I just felt like I wasn't
going to lie to people, and like just being my
authentic self was very important to me in the show
and being unscripted. And you know, of course there's like
those interview things, you know, in between where they try
and get information about the scenes and stuff. Then that's fine,
(23:21):
But I think in terms of us shooting, especially in
something like that, I remember feeling very torn and in
a tug of war within myself because I loved styling
so much, and I loved what I was doing so much,
and I loved my clients so much. Yeah, but I
was working twenty four seven, and I was also trying
(23:42):
to figure out it was very obvious to me, or
starting to be very obvious to me, that my clients
wanted me there, and if I couldn't be there, they
didn't really want my assistance there. Sure, And I you know,
I understand it, because you know, when I think about it,
it's sort of like if I'm hiring a lawyer and
(24:04):
I'm paying that lawyer. Yep, I don't want their associate.
I want them, right of course, So I get that
the problem is being a stylist is very hard to
scale because it's based on you. You don't have anything tangible,
you don't own anything, so it's a service business. And
so I was sort of trying to figure out where
(24:27):
I land in the future because I don't think it's
sustainable to do this forever. And so how do all
these opportunities coming at me? Like, you know, we want
to take the Rachel's O brand, it's a household name.
We want to do bedding, and we want to do kids,
and we want to do champagne glasses, and we want
to do you know, housewares and all these figrants and
(24:48):
sunglasses and all these things that are signature to you.
And that really excited me a lot. And then I thought, Okay,
I barely have time to take a shower, So how
am I doing that without letting down my clients? Right?
And so I think for me that was a daily struggle,
(25:11):
you know that I was dealing with every day, right,
I was really thinking about it, and you know me, like,
I don't stop thinking opportunities are coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You want to be able to like jump on it,
ride the lightning, but it's going to be at a
cost of the relationship. You have with your clients, or
hinder the work you're able the amount of work you're
able to do for each client, which totally I could
definitely see that. But isn't it crazy for you to
watch that branding meeting now when you've had so many
(25:45):
opportunities now that like the Rachel Zoe name label brand
is absolutely out there in the world and successful and
people talk to you about it all the time and
they're interested in your products, and like, isn't that like.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Pinch me, like a dream come true? Like you made
it happen. Well, it's weird because I have not watched
my show until just now. I have not watched my
show since two thousand and eight fifteen fourteen whenever I
finished it, I mean fourteen. Oh okay, okay, I thought
(26:20):
you were going to be No. No, I just mean
like I haven't. I really haven't watched it. No, I know,
and I think so it's hard for me to sort
of be like, Wow, I dreamed all these things and
look they happened until like as we're sitting here talking,
because I don't know that I remembered dreaming them because
(26:41):
they've happened in real time. So it's sort of like,
I think, like life happens so fast, right, And I
think the most polarizing part of my life has been
becoming a mother, and so for the last thirteen years
it's almost like being a mom is up here, and
then all of these businesses and opportunities are like right
under that. So I think there's like this like mask
(27:04):
over it a little bit where you're like, be the
best mom, be the best at work.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The woman who was sitting in that chair, who was
so scared to have that meaning a because you were
scared about what they were going to present to you,
would be you didn't have Roger. You're a safe person there.
You did it yourself. And now you can look back
and say, you've that girl sitting in that chair definitely
did what.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She set out to do. Yeah, and it's also weird
and then some And by the way, I'd like to
also know none of it was with those people that
I had.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
True true, But and it happens a little bit later, Yes,
in a big way. It happened a little bit later.
But you should be proud of yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, I guess I am. I mean I like it. Yes,
I mean, it's it's really amazing to see and I think,
you know, I always kind of joke that my life
has been a blur, and I think when I do
interviews or we talk like this, and I'm like, yes,
all of that did happen. It happened, And you know,
I think I think any I think busy woman would
(28:04):
probably say there aren't really so many moments where you
stop and pat yourself, right sure, And then I think,
I think now I would say, you know, I still
have a lot left to do. I still love what
I do. I have the greatest team in the world.
I don't have people that make me uncomfortable, and I think,
(28:25):
you know, I think that comes with experience. Yeah, I'm age,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, definitely, I think definitely you've seen a lot, a
lot more than that girl that said at the end
of that conference table.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, I think the naive part of me has gone
out the window, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So you do say one of your quotes in episode one,
fashion puts me to sleep at night and wakes.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Me up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Do you think that's still true, I mean, other than
physically your kids.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, Like, yeah, yeah, I would say in the literal,
since my kids put me to sleep and they literally
wake me up. I set my alarm in thirteen years.
But I would.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Say, in some respect, yes, you still feel that passionate
about I.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Do, but different I do, but different because fashion is
you know, I will say this. When I walk into
my archive, I still light up. I light up. I
light up, and I look at the things in my
archive as if every single piece in there is a
piece of my life, like I really genuinely do. And
(29:36):
I have no regrets about spending the most ridiculously insane
amounts of money on my collection because I look at
every single thing as a story. Yes, And I would
say that fashion when I it is still a huge
part of me and a part of my soul for sure. Yeah.
(29:58):
And I think I always look through a lens of
fashion in everything I do because I'm constantly changing things
and wanting things to look pretty. And my sister was
just here and she just laughs at me because she's like,
go to sleep, and I'm like rearranging things in the
kitchen and the way the candle is and the book
(30:19):
is sitting or whatever. She's like, what is wrong with you?
I'm like, what is wrong with you that this doesn't
bother you? Right? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with you?
So the answer is yes, just different. It's okay, okay, yes,
but different you different worries. I'm not worrying about Cameron
Diaz's shoe that may not work with her doorca tore
gown she's wearing for the oscars, right, So I don't
(30:42):
think about that anymore, gotcha? Which is comforting. Yeah, because
that was a really noisy place to be in my head.
Oh god, I'm sure. I'm sure. And by the way,
at no fault of Cameron's no, not at all. It's
my own psychotic self that would just lie away staring
at the ceiling, or like worrying that brad Pits jeans
weren't going to fit right, or they weren't going to
be worn worn in properly to his liking.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You've given yourself a title of psychostylist disease, and it's true.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm plagued with it for life and you still have it.
It just came out las weekend with sky.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh I know, it's never it's it's it's in your DNA.
It's never going away, never going away. Another standout about
episode one for me was that you have a scene
in a sushi restaurant, and I literally laughed out loud
because if anybody knows anything about Rachel, like I don't
think I've ever.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't need sushi. I've never and you've.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Lived in La for a long time now and she
has never ever ventured into the sushi.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Realm or an Asian restaurant. I can't eat it right,
I'm literally allergic to it. There's something in it that
I'm highly allergic to that I developed later in life,
like in my early twenties, I all of a sudden
just would like fall on the floor in pain from
eating any Oh. And by the way, like that said
like tyv and these food is my favorite, like we're
French Vietnamese food at like indoshine and stuff, or was
(32:05):
the best food in the world, my favorite And I
just but sushi's in no fly zone for me. Any
raw fish's gross.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So when I saw the placement for this scene, I
was literally like one thousand percent this has nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
To do with you.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
This was a production production was like, let's go to
this sushi spot. We're gonna film a scene about yes,
X Y and Z you guys, sort of reprimanding Taylor
about being too hot on Brad.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Essentially a lot of and a lot of locations that
you see are typically because they allowed us to shoot, right,
they were a hundred permitted to shoot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Anyways, I thought that was so funny. I was like,
oh my god, Rachel was at a sushi restaurant.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
No, never, I've changed a lot, said no, one, you've
changed a lot. Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So the episode, towards the end, you guys finally find
the right dress.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
For Joy for Art of a. It's the red sack, right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, it's a gorgeous Zach Posen red gown. She looks
so beautiful, so stunning, And the best part that's still
so fucking true is you get Joy ready. She's literally
coming over or this could be real life or production.
I don't know how this panned out timeline wise, but
(33:23):
she's supposed to be going like to the event from
your studio, like right, and it's last minute, right, and
you're like fumbling around, and of course Rachel has no
idea what she's gonna wear because you were also.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Attending the Art of Elysium.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And I'm like, wow, that that shit is still true.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Ye yep.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
You don't often know what you're gonna wear until you're
flying out the door, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Actually, I really don't. I can't commit to it, I
can't think about it. I was so much more obsessed
with what my clients were wearing than what I was wearing. Yeah,
like a thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You even talk about that, You're like, yeah, the joy
for me is seeing them light up and them feel beautiful,
and you just like, but what did you end up
throwing on?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
It was like a vintage not Ossie Clark. It was
a vintage like not Sondra Roads. It's on my head.
It was this black strapless from my archive. It's setting
this gorgeous like black strapless with like white tears with
black trim. Is it like tissue chiffon or something. I
think it was so skazie. I think it was a
(34:23):
vintage skazy gown and it was, Yes, it was chiffon.
It looked so like delicate and beautiful. It was. It was.
It was super comfortable, And I'm just laughing because I
think about it, and I'm like, you know, it's funny
because you know it's such a girl thing, like a
jealous girl thing when they go what are you wearing?
And sometimes girls are like I don't know when they
fully know, but the gatekeeping, the gatekeeping, and my friends
(34:48):
know me so well that they actually know. I don't know,
right right, I'm not keeping it from you. I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You actually have thirty five thousand brand names going through
your head in a given second. Yes, So another takeaway,
you have your hair half up and half down I know,
which I.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Hate so much. And I looked at that and I
hated it so much? What is your beef with that?
I hate it? Why I hate it? I think because like,
what is the trauma? I'll tell you half up hair
the trauma is. I think it reads Homecoming Queen a
little to me, and it reads when I was little,
(35:29):
my mom did that with breats a lot, And when
I look back, it really made my earstick out, and
I didn't like it. And I don't even have big ears.
I actually weirdly have small ears, but you don't. You've
never had big ears. I just it seems very bridesmaid,
(35:49):
not in that good way, because didn't you still argue
or bicker with Jennifer Garner about that, Like she wanted
to wear half up, half down hair, and you'd be like,
over my dead body. Pretty sure. I got in a
few fights with a deer about half up, half down
because he liked it or he was on your camp. Okay,
he liked it, and I did it, and I was like,
do anything you want, just don't do half up, half dout.
(36:10):
And one time he did it and he called me goes, whoops.
I just it just really was the best thing for
the dress. And I'm like, no, was it but one
of maybe one of two disagreements I ever got in
with the deer.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Really, I couldn't imagine you fighting with him in a
real fight, right, It was just like a yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I was deeply disheartened. That's really said about it.
But that's my point. Yeah, those things don't put me
to sleep anymore. The anxiety, and when I tell you
it was a polarizing panic, yeah, that I would have
about these things. And I very clearly remember like middle
(36:50):
of the night panics, like sweats, like cold sweats, about
gowns not showing up for a huge event, shoes not
being dyed the right color, like the client not being
happy the jewelry was taken by an evil stylist that
hated me, or like you know, my first choice Valentino
(37:12):
went to another stylist like those were the things that
were really polarizing at that time. And I don't know
that those kinds of things happen as much now because
I really didn't hear that a lot from stylists that
I'm friends with.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I feel like the industry is very different than when you.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I think the evil pettiness doesn't exist the way it did,
and I think the you know, we used to have
to fight for the dress off the runway, like I
would almost like tackle the model, like I would just
be like, give this to me, and I'd like literally
go backstage after the show and literally say to Oscar
like I want look one twelve, you know whatever, and
(37:55):
then they'd have to go to sales, and then Bergdorf
needed to see it, you know, and then we would
wait and we would get it literally literally like the
morning of the event, right, you know, it was terrifying.
That is reflected in the show. I mean, yeah, oh yeah,
as we keep putting that that is real, That is
so real. I cannot explain to you and God and
(38:16):
so and in kindsight, like it's weird because I knew
very clearly that we weren't saving lives. I knew very
clearly this was not brain surgery, This was not saving
lives in any way, and these were not real life problems.
But in the moment, with the amount of pressure from
(38:41):
the actor or the musician or whoever I was working,
with the amount of pressure from the studio, the publicists,
the hair and makeup people, that the teams right that
were hiring you, that we're paying you for me, the
panic was generated. And you know me well enough now
after years, I cannot let a client down. And that
(39:05):
for me was a polarizing feeling that pretty much governed
my existence as a stylist. I cannot. I want my
client to be the happiest, most confident that they can
ever be, and if they don't feel fucking amazing when
they go out there, I suck, right, And that was
(39:27):
that a lot of pressure. That was my thing, and
I just and then you have all those people looking
at you, and you know, and also it's that thing
where like because I was considered to be the best,
you know, it's sort of like you got to stay
there right right. You can't fuck up?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, no, no, I mean, nor do you want to,
like you're such a person.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
No, But That's what I'm saying. I was driven by
the the way that like Cameron would look at me,
or the way that Ava or Selma or Kira or
Kate or any of these people, the way that they
relied on me to deliver. It's sort of like, no
matter how nice they were, you still had that you
(40:08):
carried that responsibility. And I think it's important to understand,
not to get too deep, but like you know, coming
off the Daily Front Row Awards recently, where you know
stylists spoke about what it means. Hairstylist A Deer talked
about the power of hair, and I think as a stylist,
for me, it was never about the dress, sure, it
was about what they were going through in that moment
(40:30):
and how terrifying it is to put yourself out there
in front of the world and if you don't feel
your best, your shit, you feel like shit. Yeah, And listen,
you've been with me enough where when i'm you know,
and I am no one compared to any of these people.
But on the smaller scale, when I feel like, oh
(40:54):
my hair is shit, my face shit, my skin, I'm tired,
I look like there's like tears that out because there's
this like anxiety and nerves that overcome you. And there
are a few clients that I was lucky enough to
work with that had that innate confidence where they didn't
have that insecurity that could be polarizing, like Kate Hudson, right,
(41:17):
like throw on the dress and be like, babe, let's
do it. You know, stunning Still, I mean it's still
you know, Yeah, I mean I get that you definitely.
I think, to your credit, have made all of your.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Clients feel like their most beautiful, best sexiest, most confidence self.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well, listen, I would say that right before I retired
from styling, I should say took a long pause. Sure
was one of my greatest styling moments with Jennifer Lawrence
and she I'll never forget it because she looked at
herself in the mirror And it was right after Ive
Caius and she looked at herself in the mirror right
as she walked out the door, and I was holding
her big train to make her lay down the card. Yeah,
(42:02):
and she said it's fine if I don't win, because
I look the best, you know, and that and she
said it in her typical like Jen Lawrence funny yes,
like of course, I fucking look good, you know. And
then I at that point I just was like, I'm
done right like that, I'm good now. That is the job.
That was the job, right, and I just said, like,
I can be done now right. So much of it
(42:24):
is out of your control, So much.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Of it relies on other elements coming together for the
perfect thing. But at the end of the day, it's
a service industry. If your client looks at you and says,
I feel amazing, it's.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Like you check, that's it? Did it? Yep? It can
be that simple, it's not.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It takes a lot, yes, but ultimately the payoff sign
off is when your client goes, I feel so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yes, and that's all you need. It's amazing, It's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We did have a lot of questions come in that
we didn't talk about that. I do want to hit
on okay before we wrap.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Up about episode one. Okay, can you.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Bring back the layering of the long tank top over
a cropped jacket.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
It looks so comfortable. I think we need it back,
so meaning longer layer under short jacket exactly. Yes, you
yourself were wearing a lot of I still wear it, right,
I still wear it well, because most of my jackets
are shorter and I like to wear tunics under that.
I just I'm more comfortable with that. Though I'm someone
(43:31):
who yes, the answer is yes, I will bring it back.
I will start wearing it again and put it up
on my story. Gotcha a client?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
A client question we did get that I thought was
interesting was did you ever have a conversation with a
client of yours that was coming on to the Rachel
Zoo project that said to you, I'm nervous about doing this,
or I'm anxious, or I I you know, I'm nervous
to do like a reality doc you TV thing, or
was everybody like I'm an actor and it's cool, or yeah,
(44:04):
this is fun.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Not many. It was mostly let me think about this. No,
it wasn't. It was more like, no, I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to remember. I think Anne Hathaway, if I
remember correctly, was like a little she was a little confused,
like how to be right, like because they have to
(44:33):
be themselves right right, And I was like, just do
you it's not a character right? Yes? Is you? Do
you? You know? Yeah, I'm trying to think. I think it
was more like a little tongue in cheek. It was
more funny, like they were sort of like what do
I do? And I just remember being like, just do you? Like,
don't pretend nothing's happening. We're just doing us.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Another question you got a couple of times, was have
you ever been on other reality TV shows?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Other reality TV shows? I was on The Simple Life,
You were on The Simple Life.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I was on which is also coming back, Like what's
going on with that?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And a teasing it. No, I don't think it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think they're going to do some sort of rebirth
of the Simple Life, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I thought it was a joke, but I maybe it's not.
I don't think it's a joke. I'm dying. Okay, Well
stay tuned for that. It's old is new. There we are.
What else was I on? I was on Project Runway.
I was on Project Runway a bunch Like I think
I did Project Runway like five times.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You were on I mean it's not stop Model. You
were on an America's ACCEP Model and you were as
you did gossip Girl, which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Reality TV, right, And I did Entourage and you did Entourage. Yeah,
those were your like, major, Well, what's so amazing is
now I'm rewatching Gossip Girl with my kids because their
friends are watching it. Skyler's girlfriends are like rich original
tional one. Oh yeah, okay, there's only one. There is
only one, and every guy wants to be Chuck Bass
(46:07):
And I was like, sky nice, try, you are innate. Archibald,
Oh yeah, you are innate. You are not a check.
I'm so sorry. I'm here for that though.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I think he should be the check. I mean, yeah,
I don't Chuck. Yeah, he likes Blair, Blair over.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Over Serena Okayan Blair, Well, he likes Brunette's. It's just
like not his mother. Yeah, I mean I get that too.
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Okay, everybody, we're gonna keep rewatching and keep chatting. Don't
forget to dm us any questions that you have at
Climbing in Heels pod and we're gonna have some fun
reach We're gonna have some surprises for you. Come on
to talk about season one.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
So god, stay tuned. If you want more Climbing in
Heels content, follow me on at Rachel Zo and at
Climbing in Hailes pod on Instagram for more updates on
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