Club 520 - Ryan Clark on The Pivot, NFL journey, Stephen A. Smith, "Podcast Olympics" - Club 520 Podcast

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Speaker 1 (01:41):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I had the joint that you could play snake on
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had the antenna on your phone. Yeah, like I had
pagers all that I had to clear joint though, so
that man, I was cooler than most people.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
The joint you can see through, you see all in
the inside. Oh yeah, okay, I remember brother. I feel
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Speaker 1 (02:26):
Hopefully people. You know what I mean? Secure the bag, man, Like,
just just keep believing. Man, we live to see another day.
Somebody's kid is not gonna get Christian. The ceiling is
the roof? Is the rule on the classic from Mike.
Do we know what that means? To know what you
absolutely you know what that means. I know the sling

(02:49):
is the roof.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean you technically technically, but like technically not
Actually I know where he was trying to go, but
he didn't reach ain't reached it.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's Jordan's. Yeah, he can do whatever you like.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Think about this right, thinking about it. No matter what
you stacked in here, there's only a certain height you
could get to you. You could get to you. But
if I'm standing on the roof, I'm always higher than
you because you boxed in.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's a little too deep. But what is your breakdown?
You bumping your head on the kids? Jordan's was not thinking.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Have a commercial roof. Watching peacock is different, marktext Man
for sure.

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you are and had Man.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm glad, I'm glad my boy pulled up today. Man.
I looked at him walk in. I said, yeah, post
work on the block, drop step U tours or to
the baseline, lay all day free, part lay on Crazy

(04:11):
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Speaker 4 (04:20):
Being you cannot have a wide receiver bottle with a
full back top and they got it's gonna work like that.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
That that hurts? How works that? Maybe built like a
cake pop? Ain't no shot. I already told you.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
We already told y'all we are. The whole game plan
is around t That's it.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
That's gonna work, y'all. Get over jumpers all day. They
can shoot. That's what they can actually do. That's your
game plan. We'll say, very impressive that you know all
of these ad reads about heart. Oh yeah, that is
actually high that's high level media. No, he's top level, bro.
That's what he do for. Really, he killed that.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
But that's what That's what I said though, when we
were talking about the challenge, that like he's he's not
here for any of that. Like he keeps the show
together like he's a professional. He's a professional media member.
None of the extra curricular auxiliary stuff. That's not why
he's here.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
You play basketball and football. I don't know about football.
You got that?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, no, no, no, no, no you highlights no smoke. I
don't either. I'm not Philip Rivers. He got the Amazon.
We have fun today, man, to my right. My dog
young not young tea.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
You what yeh? I'm on day? What day? Is this now? Being? Fuck?
Whatever that you want? They all white? I saw I do.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I wear the same shoe for a whole month, every month,
Like I don't pick one shoe and I wear it
every month.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
And it makes him mad because that's just trifling. So
I do everything in the shoe, lift weights. It's unsanitary. Bro,
I sp down. I did something. Blessings against me and shoes.
He won't. And my boy, he just locked in with
the all whites. You know what I'm saying. No, it's classics,
though you can't wear them every day. Yes, you can

(06:25):
wear shelters every day, not the same pair every day. Bro?
Why see you grow? Did you grow with money? We
work out? My family was good. I didn't have I
didn't have no poor ass life, but he has. I don't.
I don't have no, do not have all that. Brenda

(06:49):
had a baby ship. It was not in my ghetto,
like not in my house. I'm from the ghetto, but
I was very, very blessed growing up. My parents had
a lot of money. I'm just saying for you to
go work out, going to day with your wife, go
coach basketball and he even plays basketball. No, that's crazy.

(07:10):
If you hoop and I can't do that. I don't
do that. He gassing, you know, accurate respect, respect.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Come on, listen, man, we got a legend of the
building man. Another champion as well on this couch Man team.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
You've seen it everywhere Man Claire philanthropists and now he's
doing everything getting media's best. The one only mister RC
Ryan Clark, big dog. We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Pulling up man, appreciate your boys. Man.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Y'all started this because y'all was talking big Yeah, you know,
like I said, he's the onliest problem in the room.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I really didn't say nothing. I was kind of letting y'all.
Let y'all that was bro calling everybody up. But I
ain't never ran from nothing. I'm cool. Like me and
my matchup. I think we get you in basketball, but
like we really bowl, like we good bowlers. Bowling would
be tough for me.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I am not.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I am not a top notch bowler.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
The way my shoulders are set up post career that
make make certain things a little more difficult.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Because I'm like we're talking about the podcast Olympics or whatever.
I said, this thing is here working out. He ain't
been a workout and posted on Instagram and I don't
know how long you hit in the gym every day,
headphones on. That's that. This is how I know you
actually don't know me I was doing.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I was doing a tour of training facilities like Monday nights.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Say you didn't work out. I said, you made it
a thing like I'm in the gym preparing myself. It wasn't.
It wasn't because I etimidate you. I realized how strong
Jem was. Y'all push wait on it, this is fake,
not gonna dang, not for real.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
The one thing I'm not going to I mean, y'all
might win the game. I can't get pushed around. Yeah, Like,
if we go to team five twenty beat him in
basketball to.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Fifteen, because we beat the ship out of Gillian Wallow
fifth game to fifteen, it'll probably be fifteen six. Okay,
I mean that's fair.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
You have an actual pro on the team. That basis,
we can't count basketball. We gotta play we play space.
Spage is just no shot whoa no shot already and
already know because he already talked about how great his
life was.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I know he couldn't play I played cards for real.
He was like the richest one in the ghetto for real.
Like my friends were very I don't want to shot
that who they are, but they was poor as fun.
I'm talking about my next door nahbors. It was severe.
So my daddy was like the hood.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
He WRO.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But he's stupid. He really wrong.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
See your friend like, yeah, I know him, my god
still to this day, I just was really different, Bro,
growing up a little bit now allowed to the shoutouts
in the show for our friend group. Dave made a
petition this last couple of weeks to saying we have
to get better shout outs.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
For sure, we only shout them out with bad stuff.
It's all good, it's all we work here, for sure.
This is about RC though. Man, did you hear? Bro?
For real? Man, we appreciate and before we start to
may y'all done an amazing job.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Though, like the thank you, Bro, I think the the
ability to create like genuine interest in what you have
to say is difficult, you know what I mean? I
think the space is extremely saturated and everybody believes they
have something to say.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
But that's not true.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Ye, Like it's not you know, I meaning the fact
that y'all could be entertaining, engaging, impactful, uh with just
speaking to one another.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
To be able to create that space is really amazing.
So man, congrat seey'all and all the success to you deal.
I think y'all doing some things within the space that
other people aren't. Man, So y'all just keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Thank you, trumpling coming from you obviously what you got
to built. But first the first let's get to it, man.
High school day is going up. Louisiana obviously was called
the football we talking about the basketball stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
You was like that on the court as well, though,
Yeah I was so I was second MVP voter. I remember,
I remember about them.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
I did shoot an airball from the free throw line
in the state championship though it was Carlton.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Dog I remember.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
And you know y'all know this, bro, Like high school
basketball gyms, the wall is always right behind the goal, right,
so like depth perception is easy, right. And my little
routine was I wouldn't look at the goal until I
shot the free throw. Yeah, and so when I looked up,
you couldn't see the room arena. Yeah, I could see
the riom. I missed the Yeah, that was for sure.

(11:54):
Though I thought at that point, I was like, yeah,
football for me. Did you think you could play college basketball?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
No? Like so I did have like small school offers.
I was going to l shooter play. I was going
to L shooter play football.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So it wasn't But you realized quickly, like people that
talk bad about like the fifteenth man on the bench,
I didn't go to the school go to school with
like a ton of pros, like I didn't go to Duke.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I didn't go to Kentucky. But when you go in
there and hoop with like.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Real basketball players, you realized that the games be like
twenty three possessions if you going to twelve or leven,
like y'all score every time you shoot. So like folks
who talk bad about dudes who don't get in the
game in the NBA, go play them. Yeah you know,
so I learned, Yeah, I'm gonna go out here in backpedal,
me tackle, I'm gonna do all that because if not.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm gonna have a regular nine to five. LSU was
always the move, though, No, I wanted to go to Tennessee.
I wanted to go to Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
We had a person here that was probably our best
football player ever. Name was James Banks. He went to Tennessee. Yeah, yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's so like and I'm old, like I said.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
So when they came to recruit me, they bought a
VHS tape.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Damn wow, because I'm thinking about they was recruiting you
with a be I was watching a one VHS text six.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Girls about fifty forty sixty six. Yeah, I'm over.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
And so when they brought the tape or sitting on
the floor in my parents' house and it was like
all the dudes that won the Thorp, like all the
all Americans, And I was like, shoot, man, I want
to go do that because when I was coming out,
LSU wasn't the move. Saban made it that fact, right,
Like when Saban came my junior and senior year, he
started making That's when he got Marcus Spears and Michael Clayton,
like all those dudes that was, you know, from the crib.

(13:43):
Kevin Falk was like the first Louisiana cat that made
like going to LSU cool. But my mom my mom
was like she ain't look good and burnt orange, you know,
and unlike being I mean, I ain't grew up in
the ghetto, but I know my people ain't have enough
money to go to Tennessee every week that one of
my people to see me play.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
They came to every game. And you know, I tell
the story before.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
My mom is like a big time church goer, like
on every committee, Like my mom run the Senior Citizen committee.
But I've been like, man, but you a senior citizen, Like,
how you get to run the committee? Somebody young's supposed
to give back to you. So the night I was
gonna make my decision, we had a press circle. So
we had a press circle of me, my mom, my

(14:27):
little brother, and my pops. I go to sleep. I
had a dream that I was standing on LSU sideline
and people were rushing the field and the scoreboard said
twenty eight twenty one, right, But I didn't really know
the team. I didn't know what it was, but I
was like, oh, so next morning I go into school.
I commit to LSU. My first year at LSU, we

(14:48):
played Florida with fred Actually there were number one, there
were number one in the country. We beat them twenty
one twenty eight and everybody rushed the field. It was
the exact same scene that I had my dream and
so so that that's why I was going to commit
probably anyway, but that was definitely like I committed the
next morning after that.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, it's crazy. That's very similar to them elsewhere. How
you got to.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Wait yep with your mom. Yeah, she's like, you gotta
go to wait for us. I wanted to go to USC,
you said us, Yeah, like California.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I went on a visit. It was nice there. Yeah,
class was amazing, it was crazy academics.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh man was on my visit. So shout oj.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Mayo like that was that was the height of like
high school basketball mixtapes and yeah in TV games, like
like if you got on a TV game, you had
a TV game when you were in high school, then
like you were actually that dude, No, they all play
Who was.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
One of the big stars in basketball? He was from
growing up? You know, so Louisiana ain't have like that.
I don't know if you know who Randy Livingston is, Yeah,
he was a killer.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Randy Livingston was the best basketball player I've ever seen
playing person the NBA. Yeah, but you know, what happened.
He blew his knee out before he ever started playing
the l U and so he was. He was National
Player of the Year, co national player the years. Him
and Jason Kidd. Yeah uh in in like every playoff

(16:23):
game he had a double double.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
He played point guard on offense, center on defense.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Right, he's the best player I've ever seen doing a
You know, they do those camps and the players work
the camps. He was demonstrating the jump stock blew his
knee out, came back like the next year, it blew
the other one out.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So he ended up leaving. So like the.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Career that he had was all about his brain and
his understanding of basketball because he could jump. He was explosive,
and he lost all that when he got hurt. But
Randy Liverston was the best basketball player I've seen. Kerry
Kittles was one baby. Yeah, Kerry Kittles. Uh was one
of the guys I know.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Do you remember Hollis Price. So, Hollis Price went to
my rival high school. He went to my rival.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
March Madness legend bro coach Houston right now, Yeah, so
hooped against him.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
So we have some we have some guys. But it's
not like the Midwest. Yeah, Carols football.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
My boy, Big Swag used to get to it on
the court as well.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Who's one of the best athletes man have ever been around?
Now Son nice too. It's Swag who played tight end
when he first got to he ate his way to
defense even really like was that on accident or he ate?
He was always built soft, you know what I mean,
Like he wasn't killing winso body.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
He's a body about about.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I don't know if he kept eating, like you might
have to go to defense, bro, Now you know what,
you know what Nick Saban had, Bro that I don't
think that. I didn't never make any other coach that
knew this, Like he knew when you were playing the
wrong position. So swag Gool was like top twenty five.
Hooper played tight end, could do every thing like softest
hands on the team, but he was bigger, like he

(18:17):
wasn't gonna get open like that. He's like, hey man,
you go play d n you'll be a first round
draft pick.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
And he was right.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Corey Webster ended up being an early second round pick.
He was All American at like thirteen picks in two years.
But he was a receiver and he refused to move,
like refuse coaches like, man, you need to go play defense.
He was a quarterback in high school and he was like, look,
I'm a movie and he's like, but he's like, you're
gonna be a pro if you go play corner. And
he was right. So he would do that with all

(18:45):
these different players. Man, he could just see it in
a different way. But you know, man, when you think
you good at something and you a kid, you don't
want especially you get the rock, like if I play
wide receiver, I want to catch the ball and so
but Nick was great at that. Man, he moved swag
gool brose all American first round pick's hard excitement.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Clearly he knows something for sure. To jump around and
ask how you feel about the new head coach?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
L s U speak high our favorite coach speaking. So
let me so you're welcome. Let's just say.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Let's just say I knew Lane was gonna be our
head coach a long time before the rest of the world. Yeah,
that was as soon as BK was fired, Like that
was my pick, Like that was who I wanted. Had
conversations with people at the school who were going to
be decision makers, bro, I would probably say once the

(19:42):
process started, there wasn't a day I don't have like
a text with Lane Kiff mhm, Like I got more
group chats with Lane. I got more group chats with
Lane Kiffin than I do like my real homeboys like me,
and like we got group Lane and it's like different
groups of football players that play at LSU, depending on

(20:04):
what he wants to talk about, you know what I mean.
So it's like we got like pockets like oh, if
it's this conversation, it is you know, it might be Whitworth,
if it's this conversation, it might be swag Good. If
it's this conversation, it might be Booger McFarland. And so
we got like all these conversations on one of the
coolest things he did. Man, it's probably five am one morning.

(20:25):
He sends a picture of the stadium and he was like,
you know, like that's the best place to play football
in the country. And you know, I remember when I
texted him back, I was like, the stadium's cool. I
was like, but it's the people who are in there
and the reason that they're there that makes it special.
And like that dude was excited to coach there and
that's what you want. Like BK bro Brian Kelly wasn't

(20:48):
excited to coach there.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know what I'm saying. He was like he was acting.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Like a bad shit that god with the smart dude
because he was gonna provide stability.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
And mistreated him. You know what I'm saying. That was like,
like what's stunting about him? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
He felt like he was doing us a favor by
coaching man, you know man like down soft folks, country
folks like we don't like that, like embrace.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
You got to embrace with we embrace.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
You got to care about what we care about because
if you don't, like, we're not gonna fool with you.
And if we're in that space with you, then you
got to win all the games, right, Like you win
all the time, you be big as an ass you want,
but like if you if you a third and you suck,
now we gotta holler at you. It just hate that
you had to give him, especially.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
An exerprizing boy. I love to get fired fifty today.
I can't wait to be a coach first day. We
just don't like him. Case stayed a little too long
for me left.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
But you talked about down south. They was pissed and
not to name of him. Man, this is an unruly
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Speaker 4 (23:10):
I didn't I didn't realize the the Notre Dame thing
was like that until my son transferred there. So he
played their senior year, and you would talk to people
and like obviously they knew I went to l Shit.
They'd be like, what you feel about b K? And
you know, straight up like I'm not gonna talk bad
about them while he our head coach, you know, cause
that's the last thing I wanted to the whole day.
I talked to Ryan Clark and he said, you know,

(23:33):
you know how that.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know that's what I'm gonna be. It's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm the one that started the conversation. Ryan Clark came
up to me. He hates Brian Kelly, so I wanted
to make sure it wasn't that. But I'd be like, no,
it's cool. You know he working on he trying to
get people, and they'd be like, I'm so glad he's there,
Like we didn't want him here and I didn't know
that he had wore out his welcome the same way
there that he ended up doing at the career.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I wish Lou was here, my homeboy LOI worked with
us here he in order to in fanatic going on it.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
That was excited when he got the which is crazy though, man,
think about like how how you truly have to move
or treat people to be good at something and people
still want you out, you know what I'm saying, Because
he's had success this to win at that clip and
people be like, you know what, I rather lose to
have you. Oh man, that was fed up anybody with you.

(24:26):
You know, we had Charlie Weiss anybody but you Gang,
good old Charlie. Charlie, Yeah, man like Free Man, I
love Free, like what Free did for my kid, Like
I can never pay him for that.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
But dude really is like that.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
From from the standpoint of like, I don't know how
long he'll stay there. I think he has ultimate job stability.
They're always gonna win. They recruit at an extremely high
clip and y'all probably been to South Ben Ain't nothing
there but the school, you know what I'm saying, nothing there.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But the school.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
So the fact that he has you know, Plexico, Burrett
Burr's son obviously Bussy went there, but you got Jamichael Friendly, Fridley,
Larry Fitzgerald's son, Thomas Johns, like you got all of
these dudes who played in the league and their kids
are now going to know the name over the Bamas
and all that. But it just tells you the way
he recruits, type of type of man he is. And

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I was talking to Riley Lenard on the field last
year last night, like, I can't believe they kept him
off the playoffs about that.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I hate the format, but there's nobody they should have
been kept out.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
So it's the way the rules are put together right,
Like I would say this, it's hard. I thought Miami
should be in because of the head to head. I
thought Bama was the team they could get in ahead of.
But it's hard to say that when they go win.
That's a fact Miami.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
They won.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Like all of these teams are now in the second round.
But if you watched JMU and Twulane, ain't no way.
Yeah they say they sain't March madness. You know March madness. Bro,
you get Steph Curry hot on the day, you find
a way to get to the Sweet sixteen.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Damn football.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Work the better team usually winning football. That's how it
is on the games. Really play wait for Alabama, no
respected way, but you get buried.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Listen, you want to acc next year.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
They have been good at some points in my lifetime.
Seven it was good, Tim Duncan hold on, we was good.
We were to the Orsbow.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Respect. Yeah, I was definitely good. Yeah, yeah about it.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah to Aaron Kurry top yeah, good player coach now
yeah coaching random soldiers. Rand Children, by the way, one
of my favorite college basketball players.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Children like he liked the third best guard and wait
for his history. All right, what's the what's the older.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Chris Paul, Yeah, two, and then yeah, that's respectful. That's
a respectful list. Look when we see this, he's gonna
come out here with that big T shirt smoke.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You're gonna talk so much here on the college basketball
college college football. Excuse me, there's no that they need
to join the conference because I don't like the fact
that Not That Dame is not playing USC no more.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
And I feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Around that guaranteed pretty much from the committee that if
they do this stuff when they schedule, they get in.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like I don't like that robbery being gone.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Man, I don't think it's a Notre Dame decision that
it's gone, right, It's it's the landscape of college football
and the way that it's changed. College football is just
turning into the NFL.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
If I don't know if y'all pay attention, I'm sure
y'all do. On social media, football players are taking pictures
in college resigning to their team. I've seen that, like,
you know, like when the when the pros do it
in free agency, when they take the picture front the
little thing behind them and they say, like.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Where they do that at? I had everything about that, Bro,
bro like.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
The the I just read something where the running backs
coach that we are hiring had to go have a
meeting with our sophomore he's gonna be a sophomore, great
young player, our sophomore running back to try to keep
him in the facility. They try to keep him on campus,
try to keep him apart of the university, Like, that's

(28:19):
what we're doing. So every so not only do think
about like if you're if you're one of these teams
right now in the playoffs, you're trying to win the
playoff game. You're trying to figure out nil work the
transfer portal to bring people on your team, keep cats
on your team from getting in the portal, and you're
preparing to play one of the top eight teams in

(28:42):
the country. That's the NC double a problem.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
They got to change that schedule. They got to change
that schedule because you do you like it though, the
fact that kids get to get paid like this, I.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Think that I think that they should have been paid
a long time ago. I think the ability to move
around is not as much in my mind, something that
was a need for players. But if the coaches were
going to be able to live their lives and maneuver
in their careers the way that they are players needed

(29:17):
some ability to not be locked into certain situations.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I do think.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
The way that transfer portal was implemented doesn't protect kids
either though, from their own stupidity, right, Like everybody everybody
think they got to play year one, year or two,
Like that wasn't our life, you know what I'm saying,
Like I knew, Hey, you're one, you might be the nickel,
right because the dude in front you is all American.

(29:45):
Your two, you'll play more. You're three, you could be
the guy. Like that was the that was the steps
for us, and in basketball was a little different. Like
you might start as a freshman. It didn't mean you
was one and done right. You was going to you
was going to be around. And so I think just
when you see the number of dudes that get in
the portal bro and don't find homes, don't find places

(30:06):
to go, getting bad information from folks that's close to
them because they believe that they could go get more
money elsewhere. Like folks ain't. These kids don't They don't develop.
They're not developing physically, and you're not developing, you know, mentally, emotionally,
and being able to understand, like we got to go
live life after.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
This, you know. And so I think it's we talk
about that all the time.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I think they need a cap on, Like I think
everybody should get one free transfer.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
That's it though, Bro, going to four different universes in
four years is insane. I don't care, Bro. A lot
of kids not graduating. But I'm just saying, you end
up turning into a piece of shit, bro when you
leave school because you have no discipline, you have no
laws to anything. Everything's just been and you learn it
kind of from people who ain't never did it in
your family, No disrespect, but everybody just chasing the bag.

(30:53):
Then you don't even know how to treat the bag
when you get it. So when you go, bro, it's
like shit, that's when all the mental health shit just
kick in in there, crashing out like bad.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
The biggest thing to me is just a lot of
the kids they're going to school for four years, but
they still not graduating. Like you would be amazed how
many kids didn't graduate, but they was in school for
four years, someone was in five. They still haven't because
they transferred so much. The don't be accept that A
lot of times when they transferred and they last year
they leave school early to go prepare for the draft.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah I'm speaking on basketball.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
They leave and go prepare for the draft, and they
might still have a couple of classes left and they
won't finish it. Obviously, they can go back and finish
if they can, but they're not leaving the university.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Of a degree.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
And one thing that people sleep on it is having
a place to call home. If all fails, you still
have alumni base or school you can go back to
as a cushion if things work out. Like you said, LS,
you got a great stand base with that situation. These
kids have no home to go to after stuff. You're
getting all this money, you burning bridges everywhere you go,
and if you might need a lifeboat, you don't even
have no one who could rock with you on it
because everything is transactional.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, like now too, though it's about it's about due
visual relationships though, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
it's not about whether or not you could go back
to the schools, whether or not I can go back
to a certain person, right because them people float around too,
like the it's funny to say the guy who is
basically the general manager at not the Dame is now
the general manager at USC, right, Like that's somebody who

(32:20):
my son was close to. That's who recruited him. Like
if he wanted to and like, let's say he didn't
have a foundation, he could probably go to him and
see if like there's something that they could do to
help one another, or if he could help him out.
But that's the I think that's the hard part about
where we are now. It's like I tell people all
the time, they asked me about the pro teams, you know,

(32:42):
and I put it on I entertained right that like
when the Steelers lose.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
It matters.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
It don't matter, like it don't. I don't care, Like
they want you to be on tv RC. I know
you're hurt, and as part of the entertainment of TV yes.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm hurt. I'm not really hurt. That's not putting money
in my pocket, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
And you know how it is felas like once you
start to know these people, I want Pittsburgh to win
because Mike Tomlin is my friend, right, and I know
that his livelihood and his career and his kids and
his family depend on him being the head coach, right,
like I want Jalen Ramsey to play well and to
win because that's a little broke. That's how I watch games. Now,
I don't watch games like all the Steelers have to win.

(33:21):
But the thing about college used to be was like
I got so much pride in LSU because that's the
only place I chose, you know what I'm saying, Like
I chose to be there, you know what I mean?
Like that was I had an option of this place,
this place, this place, and I said that's the spot
for me. And so when you stay there and you
play four years, it's like, man, the people there, the

(33:45):
people that support the university, like all those folks know me,
you know, like they gotta. I remember two of the
things I did at LSU that will always be important
to me. Twenty twenty was obviously like a very tough
time social injustice, social justice, all of that. The athletes
at the school marched in twenty twenty. I was a

(34:06):
part of the march. I got to give the speech
right to all the athletes about just kind of like
where we were, how we needed to stick together. And
then in twenty twenty one, they did this whole diversity
Equity Inclusion Survey, and people got to actually speak about
what they felt it was like to work at LSU,
and I got to present that to the entire athletic department.

(34:28):
And to me that was important cause I'm from there,
I went to school there, I live there, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And this wasn't about how many tackles I had or
how much TV I did.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
This was about, like the people that are part of
the FABRICO what makes it go and so like those
are two things to me that were extremely important to do.
Like I don't when I go to the games, man,
I sit in the stands, Like I don't go on
the sidelines. I don't ask for certain things, like my
things that the kids at that school be treated the
way like I would want to be treated because I
love it so much. But they just going for the money.

(35:02):
You might they got kids that might play for LSU
Alabama and Old Miss. Yeah that's where you go on
Saturday when you've done college, right, because if you only
if if the people at ole Miss who were there
when you were there aren't there, you can't go back.
Here's in fact, bro, it's over. They don't know you,
you know, So I think I hate that.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's like that for these kids.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I ain't gonna lie. I got national ship behin. I'll
be Michael Urban on the side lines. Yeah, I wouldn't
trash cans. My problem the National Championship. I'm wow, Wake
Force make it to the final four. I ain't been
to a wake Force game in fifteen years. I will
be there, like I'm a number one fan for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Do you think l like IRV is like grandfathered into
that level of behavior?

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like the way you
put that, Yeah, like we we just love him so
much and he's always been like that that we don't
even ask him to really grow up.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Because sometimes you just leave people as they are. It's better.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
But you know it's not fake too, I know, like
like that's that's like I heard about that White House. Yeah,
like that's truly And I don't know if I've ever
seen Urban person.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
He's a big dude. Like the pause, like you know
what I'm saying, one of them small no, no, no,
you know six three Yeah, so he's a big dude
shape Yeah, shout for sure. Man. I love to play
in that are though, you be the cowboys that White
House that inspired me pure Jerry Jones had to plug

(36:43):
for a show. I mean the way ship I got
a little powder and.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Like, oh my god, that real on the game.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Here boy scout last boy scouts, Like I sen he'll
play football before.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
He's not like he's not just put together. Bro, dude,
Bro he played football. He's crazy bro for sure. For sure.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
It means like but it's like anything else you do
when you aren't like a superstar, you're in order to
stay like you have to build something out of necessity,
you know what I mean, Like if you are if
you're Hooper and you're not going to be the number one,
like it's something that you have to do that they
could count on every week. It's going to be there.

(37:43):
And for me that was that was physicality. And the
other part of it is too when people start to
want expect something from you, to praise you for something,
it makes you want to do it more, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And then like after a.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
While I realized, oh wait, like they are really scared
to come cross here, and I was like, oh what
good reason?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I get it?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
And so now every so then after that, every time
somebody went across there, like I was like, oh yeah,
I'm about to split him.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
How you turn that switch on and off? Though, Like
when I see like James Harrison, I feel like his
switches always always though that's an off switch. Yeah, but
I like you got like an off switch.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You're like, yeah, you know, man, I play football player
is totally different.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
He not like he likes still like, yeah, I'm ready
to tackle somebody right now.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
You have been around pit Bull and you don't know
the pit bull?

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, and you like when it's gonna start pit buller
exact same thing being around Deebo.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
That's that's wow.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, he's like and he my boy, you know what
I mean. So like we have a different relationship. My
kids love him, but like even like when I disagree
with him, they don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
You know, like if y'all might have a disagreement, you
could be like, damn be here, why you say that?
Like when I asked him out like Debo. You know,
he said something recently about my tea and like I
texted him like bo, man, like why would you say that?
Like I could tell that his text messages had muscles,
you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like he was texting

(39:12):
me like I was his homeboy. He was texting like
I was trying to check him. And then he goes
FaceTime me. They say call me. That's like I'm on
the plane.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
That's what I mean. He turned it off.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I always wonder like because he played with that same
kind of rage, that same kind of energy.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
But it's like you turned it off, like you can
go on.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
You gotta be different honestly though, like James bro broke motives,
been away wrong, Yeah, he got it right there.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Man got a brand.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
James though, man was cut so many times, like he
just had to to build this certain thing.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
But and I love him to death.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Like James's mom is like the scariest human I've ever
been around, Like like they ain't play with her. He
ain't play with her his sisters.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
That you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
So like he come from one of them households where
like if you fought one of them, if you had to.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Fight everybody, damn, So.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
They ain't you know what I mean, They ain't no
being soft, ain't nobody around that, no whole like like
none of that, And so they ain't. There ain't an
off switch to that unless he get around like his people,
like when he around his boys, like his sons. But
even them, bro, he was like they wrestled all the time.
That's crazy, you know what I mean, Like just a
family of like brutality a whole moment. So it don't

(40:43):
for him, like it don't cut off for me though,
you know, man, I was a nerd, you know what
I'm saying. Like growing up, I was the cat that,
like my mom was real big in the school, so
she had to pay for me to go to high school.
So like if I got to see my friends will
make fun of me because I couldn't go outside or
you know, and I couldn't go to dance stuff like that.
So I came from kind of like that bad ground.

(41:05):
And two, I was a year ahead in school because
of what my birthday was. So I was small for.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Like a lot of years.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
And you know, like behing, I was like the different
cat that had no real Like my parents are still married,
they worked there, but my pop works two three jobs,
and so like I was in public school with cats
who like might get held back, and so like I'm
sure you know, I'm nine years old in the fifth
grade and small, and this cat supposed to be in
the seventh you know what I'm saying, and they talking

(41:33):
to me crazy, and just in self awareness at that age,
I was like, I want to beat them up.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I just don't think I can't you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
And so there were things like in my life that
I was like, all right, whenever, whenever this even out
a little bit, this is never happening again.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
You get back. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
And so like I remember when we got to high school,
because we was all in the same grade, they were
still older. I was like, I'm better than him. I'm
better than him, and were going to see it every
Friday night. So like those things build you. But as
far as like being able to cut the cut the
switch off, it's like you can't function in society that way.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
And I struggled with that.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
When I retired at a facility, at a training facility,
man and my partners had to have so many meetings
with me because nah, this is real talk. Because I
was always on the turf like training people, you know,
and so like cats have come in and they might
be like college kids or whatever, and they be talking trash,
and I felt like, oh, this is just the locker room,

(42:29):
you know what I.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Mean, Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
And I felt like even though I'm grown, like we're
gonna go back and forth, like I love that and
to all the facts.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Are on my side, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Like unless you're a college all American and they don't
even talk, it'd be the pool ones, you know what
I mean. So we had so many situations they'd be like,
oh see, you can't say that, you know what I mean?
Or like I remember I was training his kid he
was in college one time, and I was just trying
to tell him like he did the wrong thing. And
it was like his first day, and he like clicked
out on me, like I couldn't, you know, tell him that,

(43:00):
And he was talking like I whip you, and I
like just walked behind him all side. I was like,
whenever you're ready, like whenever, whenever it feels good to you,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Like just in college now, like he was twenty one
years old.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
I was like, yeah, I was just like you just
let me know when this is happening so we could
do it the right way, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
And they frame me up.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
They they call me to like Ryan, like, you can't
do that. And so I did have a lot of
these different things where like you're talking to people that
work there, You're talking to you know, people who are
in the building, and that level, like our level of
directness is not something that works in the real world.
In the media space, you know, they'll be like, yeah,

(43:44):
everybody's going to lunch, you know, in the in the
athlete's mine. I'm like, well, they aren't my friends by myself, right,
But then you realize they start picking jobs and you
know that you know you're the one that's three Emmy
nominations in the row.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You know you're the only one with it. Em me.
You know what the numbers look like when you do
your work.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
But we're picking this job and I don't get it right,
like like this the crew right. And then you just
start listening to people and it's like, oh, like yeah,
this person's tabbed them or that so and so he's
close to the business whomever, right, And you start and
you start realizing like playing playing that game like is

(44:28):
truly part of it, but also to being able to
respect yourself, look at yourself in the mirror and feel
like you are authentically you it's probably it's more important
to me. But I have had to figure out how
to express my feelings in a way where people don't
feel like it's aggressive, because I feel like you could

(44:48):
tell me anything, right, Like if you be him, he
was like, you got an issue with me, and you
was like, or see, man, I don't like the way
you did whatever. I respect that, but you also got
to be willing to listen to me facts. So many
times people want to tell you what they feel.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You can't, boy, swear to god.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You know, get tricked. I mean, obviously you do your thing.
I definitely say some moments you don't camera, you look
away and I'll be like, I know what he thinks, right, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Know like it get like I think that's I think
that's part of it.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Like you gotta man like you gotta learn like who
you're working with. Like that's why NFL Live is such
a dope space for us because none of us were
stars when they picked the show, right, Like Dan was
really just getting into it. Marcus had done more like
sec stuff. Mina was the first woman that ever had
a spot like that. Laura was sec So like if

(45:45):
we got on the shows, like nobody had egos, right,
like we weren't what we became and like none of
us are Hall of Fame players, and so it was
easy to just vibe and kind of rock out. But
now and y'all know what it is too, Like everybody
want to be a starter. Yeah, like everybody, like everybody
wants to shine, and you're not always in the space

(46:06):
where the person you're working with wants to see you
be something like and I know stephen A.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You know he does politics now and people hate him.
I get it.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
You know, we had him on our show and I
promise like black women acted like I commit committed like
domestic violence right, like they like just the way they.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Came at me.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
I can't believe you platform him this and this. You
know he said this about her and this person, and
like I was real with people. Me and Steven they
have all of those conversations. But he's my actual friend.
So I don't need to go on TV or I
don't need to go in front of the media and
do it.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So y'all feel good about it, right, Like that's what
they want.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
They was like, you need to you need to do
him like you did so and so while I was
like I don't know so and so personally, and if
I do know him personally, we don't get down. We
don't talk on the phone. Right, So addressing this, I'm
addressing this as a media member. The things I disagree
with Steven Ay about, I call him a fact or
I text him, you know what I'm saying. Like when

(47:04):
the whole bron thing was going on, right, not for real,
I was like, I was like, I think this is enough, right,
I was like I think.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I was like yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I was like, you know, if we and you know,
and that's my and that's my big bro. I was like,
if we getting into conversations about what would happen if
as adult men of our ages, we've now taking it
beyond what we're supposed to do, right, And he always
hit me back, I know, bro, or he'll send me something.

(47:35):
Now I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna do this. And so,
like I've been able to move in that space with him.
But like it was early on in this year, they
were starting to make some different rules about people can't
be on certain shows, people can't do this, people can't
do that, and you know, we want to separate the shows.
You want to look different he called me. He's like, man,
I don't care what nobody in this space due. I

(47:55):
don't care when nobody at ESPN does. You always got
a spot with me, Like, so I'm gonna get you.
So he's like, so you're gonna be on Thursday and Friday.
He's like, not just because I love you, He's like,
but because you're excellent at your job and it makes
us better. So like when you have somebody that do that,
for people to think that because it'll look good because
I would garner some sort of attention, or because the

(48:19):
community that I always stand on ten four anyway will
think that, Oh, you know, you win against him too. Nah,
that's my friend. Like, I'm not doing that the Jeff
for y'all. And so I think that the whole space, man,
is just like the real world is just different than
the locker room, you know what I'm saying. Like, I
seen my homeboys punch each other in the face and
then go get beers and it's cool.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
And I think more or less, it don't even be
about correcting issues. It's just people like to see certain
people embarrassed or check quote unquote, it don't even be
about fixing the issue. You just want somebody to check somebody,
because I mean we had some situation we had tryst somebody.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
On the pot. A lot of hate for that, it's
a lot of flight for that. It's so funny though
he's dead wrong. Sometimes he's hilarious for sure, But you know, bro.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Like I think, like that's a great conversation for this
space man.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Like two years ago, two super bowls ago before like
we found out just how awful did he was in
real life? We had Floyd on the show, and like
it was it was kind of this was even before
we saw the video with cast any of those things,
you know, and it was just kind of started and
Floyd just brought it up himself, like we didn't even

(49:30):
ask him. And then in doing it, he said, uh,
you know, I would ask my daughter, you know what,
you know, what does she do what? And so if
you you know, y'all seeing our clips from my show,
like we don't interrupt, like we do not argue, like.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
But y'all y'all make cry. Yeah, I said this right here,
whatever you did, he ain't gonna bring it up. He gonna,
God damn, I would get you. He has got into
the root.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
You are to go to their think pivot man the stole.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I said, no, but look deal, but that ship we
always tell people jokingly, but we come on here because
y'all laughing, show y'all platform. And I'm like, if y'all
got some dark ship, go see or see from that.
Let him and Fred, you know, trying to go crack
the joke to try to keep you even will come
on us when you're here, bro, Like, we don't even

(50:38):
it got obviously the Bees show the show that made it,
you know what I'm saying, Like like that was the
show and so and so like when Bees pulled up,
he probably been doing like three months.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
He pulls up and like if he saw y'all set up,
he probably feel better about it. But like when you
do a lot of other podcasts, they don't have all
this that, y'all have all these cameras, the light so
all that. We shot it at a penhouse somebody we knew,
so we're on like the balcony, it's like the lights
everywhere at the cameras. She was like, hold on, man,
I thought this was just gonna be like a little
podcast for ten minutes. Like we couldn't get an answer

(51:13):
out of him. Really it was just basically like he
just wanted to hoop, you know, and he wasn't really
sort of communicating it in a way that like we
could just keep asking questions or follow ups. And then
it's different for football players, like we kind of go
to one school. He transferred to all those schools and
the same thing you was talking about relationships earlier to
be here. And I was like, hey, man, how you

(51:34):
learned to build relationships though if you had a different school,
like that was when I learned how to get friends
and pollin Blynden and all that. And he was just like, man,
excuse my language. He was like, I fucking didn't. And
that started the conversation. And so like after that, the
next time when Shaq came in, he was like, man,
I ain't crying. So he already came there with something
on his mind because that's the way the show works.

(51:56):
And that was when he said on the show that
he shouldn't have cheated on Shawnee right now, how he
was going to an empty house. But in truth, I
didn't know that, you know what I'm saying, And too,
I don't even want to ask that said that's not
even so, but after that man, like when we got
the Rock on he d M Fred literally and I

(52:18):
don't know who got DMS from Rock, but he don't type.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He just always talked in that voice. Oh yeah, Fred
is the Rock.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
We know who you Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And so he was like, and he basically said, I
love what y'all. Platform is the way people can open
up I have. He's like, I have some things that
I want to share. And so going into it, I
knew exactly what he was going to talk about in
some parts of it because he came there to do that.
So we get we do to your point, we get

(52:48):
a lot of people when stuff is dark, like when
there is trauma, that come on our show to talk
about it and to get it out.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Floyd Maywether episode is like our Columbus short episode. You know,
you know, classic himsude for sure. But like you said,
the pivot, congratulations on that man. Congratulations shows y'all, our institution,
y'all are a pillar in our community. Y'all have done
great work. I love the balances that show has. That's
just an amazing show. Man, Like y'all represent a lot
of different stuff like you said, it's a place for

(53:18):
people to come and talk, and you see a lot
of people open up. A lot of people aren't comfortable
in most places. So for people to come and share
it with y'all.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
That's what I like. When y'all have I said, oh
ship bro, crazy Dog, watch them in a joint. You
go talk.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
But like even even now, one man and for for me,
like now, like when the show started four years ago,
I wasn't what I was in the media space. The
pivot wasn't you know a thing. And so like when
we get somebody like Thug or there are people that
hit us up and he wants to come on the show,
like I take that. That's a compliment to me because

(53:58):
we three former we three formal four players who in
truth aren't a part of that generation, you know what
I'm saying, Like like we just aren't like my kids
twenty six, twenty four and twenty you know what I mean.
So we aren't a part of like Thugs generation. But
the fact that he'll come sit with us like that's
important to me. I have an idea. I don't know
from the production standpoint now, the problem would be this

(54:18):
because this is what I learned about the podcast challenge.
Everybody who wasn't mentioned tried to put themselves in it
for sure, right, talk about it.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
We're not talking to y'all.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
The people that we wanted to talk to we have
named by name, right, and it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
We're gonna have a good time. It's a level of respect.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
But I do think that if there was a way
to like truly have a conversation, and you have to
like limit the people, right because obviously we got three people,
y'all got four, But to be able to just have
a conversation about life where it could be all of us,
you know what, I don't know how you platform it.
I don't know how you film it, but I think
you know, there's y'all and then there's us, and then

(55:01):
there's what Shade is, and then there's million dollars worth
of game where like they got two of the most
different humans in the world. But if you ever just
really sit down and talk to those dudes, man, there's
so much wisdom and experience. Like I would love for
all of us to be able to get together some
sort of like round table conversation and just chop it up.
But it'll probably. You know, we should eat and drink

(55:22):
if we want to and just like have that conversation.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Could it could?

Speaker 4 (55:25):
I think it could be life changing in the sense
for people who love our shows, because talking to you
would bring a thought to my mind that I may
not normally have same with the same with T. And
I think that'd be really cool for people to see
all of us as black men be able to sit
down break bread in a way where it's not a competition,

(55:47):
to where it's all love.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
And that's what we're talking about the podcast Limpits are
so dope.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
It's because, I mean, outside of us playing the games
that don't really matter, but just sit down, breaking bread
and just being We're in a market that changes every
single day. We're in a land that changes every single year.
Like the success is few and far between. We definitely
beneficial for everybody. Sit down, have a good time.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Man. Everybody goes crazy for sure. Man. Yeah, we still
play the game, so we still got you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
We still gotta win it. We still gotta raised the banner,
you know what I'm saying. But the fellowship is definitely
important as well. Well, I'm listening to T talk enough.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
He can only hoop and bowl like that's that, Like
those are the two things that there to do.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I mean, I know y'all don't want to line up?
Oh I am thirty seven? Line up? Like what to do? It? Like?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I probably can stop you can't stop me. And we
played one we did once in basketball football? Maybe not right?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, I seen you walk in here. I like he
got a little limp. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I definitely I
could get by. I couldn't twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I would Fred. They pretty don't work out no more.
I see him do the bitch press. He could have
got one, but he thought zero was funnier as strong
as Yeah, but Fred's natural super strong.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Fred just lost like twenty pounds too, right, feel like yeah,
I've been running heels. Why oh yeah, freaking yeah, I
got you bro to though. We could play pickleball.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
That would be fun. Pickleball be fun. They just lined up.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Pickleball is single handedly keeping all orthopedic surgery surgeons busy, though.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's a fact because of the age of the folks.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
They Killy's And I'm gonna tell you all this though,
if I heard something, I'm never forgiving any of y'all.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah right, I stopped what I'm just doing writing the post. Bro,
I'm chilling. We havelf court is simple, Bro. I popped
my calf jumping up on TV the other day. Yeah,
I was hurt. I heard my soul. Yeah, dog damn bro,
I'm old being older you thirty eight. Yeah, it's a

(57:55):
lot of dark haired. I look like you die your
hair ship. That's crazy. I mean pauls but yeah, don't.
He won't break up. I want to. I want to
be like you. Really, I want to bland right there.
You know what I mean. You got your you still

(58:16):
got a head, you got a ton of Yeah. Bro.
My my parents, my dad was real blessed bro. He mixed, Bro,
he mixed. I love my mama to death, but I
definitegot my dad.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
You should you should just do it, and you should
do a show with your parents because.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Your daddy was the neighborhood here. My mom, my mom
would turn this up for really, my mama is like, no, boys,
I ain't talking about she looking at I'm talking about
like beautiful woman. I'm saying how she acts. My mom
was Madia for real, bro. So that's where my like
my sisters and ship. Bro, I've been I joned like
you Jones. Bro, That's how I grew up since I
was four years old. Bro. Yeah really he talked about

(58:57):
my challenger. He had had a real challenge. He had
a fake one. He had a what was it a hellcat?
I just had a regular one.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I was.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I was one of five in the city with mine,
so I thought I was doing something. It was a
year of so you know what I'm saying, He's stunned
on me money. He made money different I wasn't. But
I'm saying though he like, Man, who is this nigga?
Weekends cars, my ship loud Le's go to this ship
called music Monday. He was supposed to start a rapper
that was a real ship night. But yeah, he didn't

(59:28):
step into his column.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
If I would have ship back in the day.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Man for really trying to stir Man ruins every song
he's ever been on. This disrespect rapper number one star
will have respect. I can't let you leave with disrespect.
The bird Man, he is the greatest rapper to never
supposed to be a rapper of all time. That's not true.
Who got better? Bird Man or master P? Master P?

(59:57):
Thank you? Not even close a real I'll take pete.
But I'm just saying, like he wasn't supposed to be
a rapper Brod Like, didn't you hear it? Yeah? You
know what I'm saying. He made classic albums, bro, classic verses.
BRO made ship. That's your era, aren't you from Bro?

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I love I love the big timers. I love all
we like Father like Son? Was that at like the height.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Of Lil Wayne?

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Lil Wayne's verses on that on that album? The album
is a classic if Birdman doesn't have the second verse
on every song and listens, listen, fact he lost his
army guns, he lost his mind. That's on that album.
First Mama Brother. And there's a moment in every song

(01:00:56):
that you got to contemplate. Do you go to the
next song fast forward? Are you gonna wheezy verse the
third one? Because that's really the one you've been waiting
like you gotta When you riding in your car, You're like, damn,
this is dilemma, Like I don't And I'm from the
n O bird Man legend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
No absolutely med him cool as well, But all right,
so no limited cash money now we talking because you're
from don't want to be able to go back home
New Orleans. They won the versus as a whole, but
there we go money they lost. So I will say
this because how it was played out right when you

(01:01:39):
when you take the individual people the sum.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
I mean, like the individual parts of cash money were better, yes,
right Landslide the individual yeah, Wayne Julie. Yeah, but no
limit without no limit though there is no cash money
even though cash money was already already making music locally
right BG right there they were, Mady already making music

(01:02:04):
locally good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You're good about yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
The but like the n O got put on the
map with about it about it and all that they
did me a X you know what I'm saying, Like
Bro master P really had people who wasn't from New
Orleans saying that was yeah. You know so I think
like that was it. And then when Juvie released four

(01:02:29):
hundred Degrees, it took New Orleans hip hop to a
different level. Like that was that. That's kind of the transition,
Like you need them both, like you truly this is
the most New Orleans answer I ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
He said, he trying to go back home. Yeah, it's
just the whole spill on bird Now he wanted to
bring you back together. That's how I get when this
come out, they're gonna be like, man, we gotta go
do the picture. People cash money. But that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
But like for when we talk about the show though, man,
like the fact that I could text Wayne and he's
part of the soundtrack to like My Life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
We were home and we did a show with p
at this art museum that's that's in the city for
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
You tell seventeen year old RC that walked onto LSU's
campus that, like, that's what like in your life. Those
people are going to see you and be proud that
they're from where you're from, or that you're from where
they're from. Like I think, like that's the like that's
the dopest part about everything for me. Man, Like I

(01:03:43):
was undrafted, you know, and so I had a regular
job after my second year when Coughland cut me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
But I had a regular job, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Like I would wake up because I loved on the
West Bank of New Orleans, bro I would wake up,
drive an hour and fifteenth hour and thirty minutes to
LSU work work, out, drive back home basically like eat,
see my kids for a little bit, because I had
two at the time, See my babies for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Bro Like go to sleep. I had three three at
this time, Like go to sleep, you know what I mean?
Wake up? Do it again? You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
And so when Washington actually called me for the workout,
I had walked from my office at the Tiger Athletic Foundation,
which is where I was working at LSU, to Mustchamp,
well must Champ. But I was like, hey, how do
like you sign up? Or what's the process of being
a grad assistant? Because I'd always wanted to coach, and
you know, I'd actually called my old lady sitting in

(01:04:37):
the office because we had just bought our first house.
We got married this summer before, and I was like, okay, babe,
like is it possible that you can do your job
here and you could finish school here, like we could
get an apartment here, and so like I was putting
everything in place in life to just be like a
regular dude, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
And I remember I got this book.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
When I got married, and it was called The Power
of a Print and Husband, Right, So I just prayed
and prayed and prayed, and I was like, you know,
when you get cut and you're an undrafted guy, if
you played two years, you felt like you did something.
I was like, man, at least I had money, saved,
more money than my parents ever had. I was like,
I got a life to start. And that night, man,
I pray and I was like, God, you know, I'm
telling everybody I'm cool, and I'm sort of cool. I

(01:05:19):
was like, but I would love an opportunity, you know.
And I was like, and if you make that happen,
I'm good. If you don't, like, I'm so grateful for
all you've done for me. So I'm walking back from
mus Champ's office, I get a call that like, hey, Washington,
gonna bring you in. But like I've been working out
after work.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Be here. You know what that workout like? Right? You
going there? You do what you I take the tie off.
You going there?

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
You do what you can, but it ain't a great workout.
I go to the workout, I play really well, my
drills are great, but I'm damnar dying because I'm tired.
And at this point I didn't know how sickle cell
affected me too. Right first day of practice, we do.
We warm up and we conditioning right out the gate.
We do forty up downs, then we go get go

(01:06:03):
catch deep passes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
I damn to die.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Sean Taylor walked over to me. He was like, dog, like,
you gotta get up cornerbacks. Coach comes to me bro
in the middle of practice, in the middle of the practice
and goes, if you don't do something, because he was
with me in New York, if you don't do something
in this next practice, they gonna cut you and just
bring somebody in that could at least finish practice. I
get two picks in that practice, end up making the

(01:06:26):
team starter in Game four. Me and Sean Taylor start
the next two years. Then I go to Pittsburgh and
like that's the rest of life. But during that training camp,
at the first cuts, my name was the last name
on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
And you know how it is. When you get cut,
they call you, they tell you, hey, come in.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
So before all of that happens, right, you're gonna have
the conversation. So I'm on the phone with my old
lady and my wife, like really from Louisiana. You know
what I'm saying, Like I spelled cuss words and she
don't do none of that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
So she clicking out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
And like I told you all though the day they
called me the night before, I just prayed that I
got a chance. So I mean, I got on my knees,
bro and I just thank God for an opportunity. I
was like, if this didn't work out, then this must
not be for me. I must have a different thing.
I brought my bags in to work the next day.
I was telling everybody goodbye, appreciated him. Greg Williams calls
me to the office and he goes, if we were
picking the team today, you'd make the team. The reporter

(01:07:20):
just figured I was going to be cut because they
hadn't told him the last name and I was the
last one that got the camp. But like I actually
wasn't damn, you know what I mean. And I always
think back to that moment because I prayed for a
certain thing and I had gotten that thing, and whether
it worked out or not, that wasn't what I prayed for.
And like to have that moment with God of gratitude,

(01:07:41):
it kind of shaped the way I saw the rest
of my career because like everything after that moment was
extra to me. You know what, I'm saying like it
wasn't promise to me, it wasn't what I asked for,
and so like I always worked in it in that
way man, and celebrated it like that. But yeah, man,
like that was probably in my life, like the the
turning point because if I don't get that call, if

(01:08:04):
I don't make that team, obviously I don't become a
super Bowl champion. I'm not in this point at least
in this way of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Intervention man, story like that true journey man for sure,
Taylor was that he's the one legend. For sure, he's on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
His daughter is a really good volleyball player now at
North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, she's doing a really really good job for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Shout out to the family, big dog, We appreciate you,
blessing me. I appreciate you boys, brother, appreciate you. Blessing
Go to the airport work.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Out today and send videos on Instagram twenty and be like,
what be him doing?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I probably got some smothered watching your ship. You got
some smother porch up telling people that grab some Mark
twelve five twenty dot com. Baby appreciate you, rc MA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Non the virus man shouts to stock egg shots a
hard rock bat, and last for a certain at least
man shouts to the good people over there a boost Mobile.
We appreciate y'all. We'll catch out next time. Club five twenty.
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