Belichick BLOWN OUT in UNC debut, Tyreek Hill not named captain, Cam Hayward sitting?

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You don't want to miss nothing.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
How you doing today, Joe, Great day, great day, Another
day on the power, My good man Debo. Can't wait
to get into these topics. Man, it was a lot
going on, a lot of things to talk about. Definitely, Definitely.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is
how to you know, U and C went over there
and got their face beat in, got forty eight to fourteen. Man.
You know, I guess that was Bill's a welcome, welcome
to college party.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I would say it wasn't no joke. He's letting them know.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man, these boys did not come to play TCU was
not playing with them, bro.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah definitely.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So you know, looking at it, you know, I think
the defense personally, just looking at it, they just got
they just got dominated, I think on both sides of
the ball. And you look at the offensive and defensive lines, Uh,
they were they were getting moved around the whole game.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
On top of that, you you know, You got guys
not you know, catching passes. You got guys missing tackles,
dropping punts, everything that. You know when I was there
that they harped on fundamentals. You know what I'm saying.
You know, see what you're supposed to, see where you're
supposed to be, and do what it is that she's
supposed to do. And you know, you had guys that
just looked like they were totally out of position, you know,

(01:39):
big plays. It was nothing like you normally see of
a They looked lost debo.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
They looked lost.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
They looked like they were ill prepared and uncoached, and
that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick
type defense or the team. The one thing they're gonna
do is be coached. They're gonna have I discipline, they're
going to tackle, They're going to be the right position.
It's not they might not be the most athletic people,
but the one thing they're going to do is it
going to be in the right place and make the
right play at the right time. They looked completely lost

(02:09):
when they first started off the game.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was all good.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
The first drive, first Plass crossed big over boom.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Everybody's hight.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
First drive the score and from that it's funny how
the table forty something like unanswered, That's exactly what it was.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Debo. Yeah, he threw the picture. That's not something you
could do. Man.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
No, the pick six before halftime killed and then coming
out of Halse.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I don't think that killed him. I think they didn't
regroup at halftime normally. You know, when you get in there,
especially when when I was there with Bill, he has
a plan, you know, in place, and he puts that
plan in place, and Okay, this is what we're going
to do.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
This is what we're going to adjust to. And you
come out, you adjust to.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
It, and you know, I think he's very good at
adjusting to halftime.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
But again, and you're in college.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know what I'm saying, And it's you know, it's
a difference between you know, college and the pros. You know,
how hard do you think it is to go from
coaching in the NFL to college?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it's I think it's very hard.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I think because when you have professionals that understand that
it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun.
This is our profession, this is our job. What's on
film is our resume. So you're speaking to grown men,
and when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be
able to do You shouldn't make the same mistake twice
in the league, or you're gonna be out the way.
And college is more man like, dude, do you get

(03:34):
this or do you don't?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think it's harder to coach those kids than it
is to coach professionals. And now with those kids being
in IL, guys, these kids are also now getting paid.
These kids are also now looking at Bill like what
you're gonna tell me? You know what I'm saying, I'm
making a million dollars here playing a little game. I
can go somewhere else next year. You know what I'm saying,
I got this. So not being able to have the
maturity of like, you can't really coach these dudes up

(03:58):
because now they looking at you like who you talking to?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know what I'm saying, instead of the respect factor
that they used.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
To have in college where you coach Mayron when he
was telling us what to do, he was the law.
There's nothing over Maria. Maria's not gonna let us play
if we go somewhere else, you had to sit out
a year. You couldn't just go to another school and
then go play. No, you had to do what Cam did.
He went Juko, then he had to go to Auburn.
There's steps, So kids are acting a little bit different.
So I think that's gonna be a whole lot tough

(04:23):
for him to coach. But I was saying, like you
said too, the halftime part.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Pick going into the second half.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Now you have the whole halftime to figure it out,
get your changes, get your execution. First play debo, the
man ran seventy five yards untouched and scored again right
out of halftime the.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
First That's not the adjustment you want. That's not you
didn't do any adjustments you can craze. That's something else.
The big difference, you know, is you're you're recruiting.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now you actually have to go out here and find
the guys that you need to get. That's a whole
nother process. You don't have a whole scouting department to
go out there and you know get what it is
that you need.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Again, you have you have grown men.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You know out here they're trying to put food on
their table. They're trying to feed their family. You know,
it's going to be a lot more motivation to go
out there and get it done. Where you got these
you know, seventeen to twenty something year old kids, and
you know they got money in their pocket now, you know,
exactly a thousand, one hundred thousand dollars. That's that's a

(05:25):
big thing to them. And I think another thing with
college is that, you know, they've really limited the amount
of time. I think that's what we're seeing in the tackling.
They've limited the amount of time that these guys could
go out here and do live drills, go and tackle,
go and you know, perfect their craft. And I think
that's a big issue of why we were seeing, you know,

(05:46):
so many mistackles.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
No, I think I think so too. You're exactly right.
I mean, it's live reps. They taking off the live
reps they want dudes to They're trying to protect people's
heads and all of the protocols. Being able to go
full speed and get those live tackle of reps, being
able to get those angle tackles.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
That doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's a big difference between running up here and breaking
down or I was formed up ready to go. Okay,
but what happens when he decides that he's not going
to cut away from you, and he lowers his shoulder
and he's gonna. He's gonna he's going to run you
over things that in practice you have to go through
for sure, be able to you know, get that day
in and day out so that when you get into

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that game, you know what, I can see the adjustment.
You know, it may be a little late, but I'm
not gonna miss this whole tackle because I've been coming
up here all practice, squatting down form fitting, looking pretty.
And now you know, he go ahead and he put
that right down on my ass and I'm sitting there
on my back with my feet kicked up in the air.
But you know, like a horse that done got put down.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know for sure for sure, because they do can
run all the way up to the right position standing
and then look, bang, now you back what you're gonna
do when you get there. You're gonna drive through him?
Are you gonna go through the target? Are you going
to become what I'm saying right a speed bump?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Uh, I don't uh, I don't, dang man, I just
I don't. I don't think I would ever go from
coaching in the NFL to to coaching in college because again,
especially in today's era, you you lose a lot of
the motivation. You know, guys, guys have you know when

(07:26):
you're in the pros versus now in college. You know,
you got some of these guys out here.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
They could they can.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Mess around and actually make you know, generational money, you know,
millions of dollars that they're smart with it and have
to you know, uh, financial understanding of what it is
they need to do. And you're sitting here as their
position coach trying to tell them what to do.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's that's a hard roll to hold.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
A thousand, Yeah, said they had that role of us
because we couldn't even do anything. That name is the likeness.
You couldn't get a haircut, you couldn't get a free tag.
I mean probably got kicked out of school for again
free tattoos like crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
D That was that long ago.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do
a thing. We couldn't have no money, like they want
us to be legitimately broke. They're like, oh, you're getting
your your paying they're paying for your house and I'm like, so, like,
if a dude was in my class that was an
artist and made it a painting, he could sell that
painting for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and nobody
gonna say nothing to him. But I can't go do
an autograph signing Joe Hayden at the University of Florida

(08:24):
make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it.
They like this, that's against this double NC double A Like, huh.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
If they don't, that's mine, a dinner, that's me. It
could get you a dinner, could get you, get you popped,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I'm saying, thing bro anything, So that was crazy, like
not being able to do that and just being able
to not have no money to now these dudes are.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I appreciate it. I love it, but at.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
The same time, that's what gives them a little bit
more like you can't really tell me nothing, but I
mean I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't like that part.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think they could still be able to grind, still
be able to get it, because that's the thing what
I loved about college when we was there. I think
that made us want to get it out the mud because.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
You still didn't have nothing. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You were still in it with your boys, wanted to
go back to the situation all y'all broke man. So
we're like, you know, that's something that I see. I
see now with with you know, current current players and
some of their kids. It's like, yo, you know, even
even me, I'm like, I done made it too comfortable
for these dudes like my you know, my oldest son

(09:25):
finally dropped down and started started really grinding into it.
But it was only after he had a couple of surgeries,
you know what I'm saying, And now he have another
one tomorrow. But you know, I was in a situation
where I'm like, yo, I gotta grind. I got to
go out here. I don't want to. I don't want
to be in a situation I grew up in. I
didn't know I was poor Joe until I got to
college and realized, like, yo, everybody don't live how we

(09:47):
was living back here, Like we ain't got no show.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
We actually like we actually waiting.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
We folding up antennas to make sure you get the
TV to work and all this other stuff you break,
you gotta wait for sure. But it ain't just go
get a new one and everything else like you're saying
too though.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know, You're your surroundings, like everybody that surround you
is kind of in the same situation the Internet, being
able to get on TikTok, being able to see everybody,
how everybody's living miles away and fake living, you know
what I'm saying, Because all that stuff is how think
their perspective, what they put out.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You always want to look up with the Joneses, keep
up with the Joneses.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
When you was in your neighborhood, you was riding your
bike to your man street up the street, and y'all
was playing football in the street until the lights came
back on. You wasn't sitting there looking to see what
little Johnny got that lives in California with his family.
That's just traveling and doing that stuff. You're figuring it out.
What you got You.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Up here a windows shopping daydream and trying to compare
your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what
they're putting on there for nothing.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
They just front you know what I'm saying. You got
you depressed, got you stressed out.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Over something that doesn't even need to be nothing, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So just a whole different It's just a whole different era.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
But that grind, that like wanting to get it, that
that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you
can put it into everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Some people ain't built like that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
In the grind, man, like we got we got we
got the top one hundred come out and uh I
guess we got Berkley sat Quess Barkley ranked as number one?
Are you surprised it's a running back at the top.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm not gonna lie world quarterback, uh over quarterback, I
would say, yes, But is deserving deserving of it, you
know what I'm saying, Like I do think there's been
like his his season, his year that he had, what
he did for the Eagles, what he did for the.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Saide, That's what they don't understand. I'm not surprised by
it at all, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but
I think actually what he did coming to that team
that year and going and getting the ultimate goal in
the game, it's the reason they got him and he
made that happen. He helped make that he was a
huge part of that, along with the season he had

(11:52):
plays he had. Yes, I'm you know, I'm not upset
about it. I'm not surprised by it. I'm good with it.
I'm good with it. I'm happy for him, and I'm
happy that. Just it shows the NFL players.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
They don't like the way that some people saying, like
the contracts running backs are going down. It just shows
that this is your players, your people, your peers, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
They recognize your game. They like this.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
This dude had the best season, is the best player
in the league right now. And having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,
Jamar Chase watching my homes right behind him speaks volumes
and I can see them saying that, man, that dude
was the best player of the season. You know what
I'm saying, That's all you want from your page.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
He speaking of that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
What was your highest rating, Joe, twenty three? You know
what your highest rating was?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Twenty three? Was Oh, I know that. I was watching
that joint. I'm like, man, they better get me lower
than low.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I got the twenty three, I was thirty, I was
thirty nine, and then twenty three.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, twenty three was my highest though. Okay, okay, I
couldn't even tell you what my highest was.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I don't we're gonna get on that research, James, I know,
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I ain't gonna lie. I don't know. I don't know
how much you think. Guys care about that though.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean, honestly, if you you just want to be
recognized by your peers for what you do. And that's
what we were. I think we played it to be
the best at our position. We didn't just do it
to be out there. So the recognition like the grind.
We're trying. We want to be the best that we
can be already in the league, and that's what happens.
But now once you're in the league, I want to

(13:23):
be the best in the league. I want to be
all Pro. I want to go to the Pro Bowls.
I want to win Super Bowls. So that's just in
your own mental when you competing against yourself, like in
this joint the best.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
We won our first Super Bowl, which was in two
thousand and five Detroit, and I was a special teams player, right,
And I mean, it's what I'm going to say is
going to sound kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But I was a special Teams player, Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I was like this, don't this don't feel like you
know what I what I see on TV. I'm like, well,
I'm like, maybe it'll it'll feel different, you know, if
I was a starter and I'm you know, I'm more
of a part of the the actual, you know, team
for the whole all you know, all that.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You fast forward to two thousand and eight and you know,
we went in Tampa and I remember sitting on the podium.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Dude, not not even the podium.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
It was a camera that was out there and it
had a little round cylinder around it. So I sat
down on that and I'm looking around and this gonna
sound crazy. I was like, it still feel the same.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It was like watching it on TV BRO.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it.
Like when you look at the TV BRO like they
they they sell you everything. So when you're looking at
the TV, you're watching every player celebrate here, celebrate there.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So it's like boom boom boom boom boom boom, all
this do do do do do do.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I see the
confetti falling It's like cameras looking at me, and I'm
like like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's cool, but it ain't like they show it on TV.
Was you was your folks, there was your family. Yeah. Yeah, dude,
I was so tired. As soon as the game hit
and it was over with, you was exhausted.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I was exhausted, bro. I sat down. I just took
my helmet off, dude, and I was just I just
had my head like I was just like this, and
I look up and I'm looking around and I'm just.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Like, damn. It still ain't like you see it on
your Damn Brodie, your ass was drained, depot. Yeah, it was. Mentally.
I took two bags at halftime. Bro. See that's what
I'm saying. Yeah, is this doing? Is? What's the one
when when you did the pick six? Yeah? Yeah? Oh yeah,

(15:57):
you man, you couldn't breathe.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, you was exhausted, listen. I was actually hurt a
little bit though, but because when I hit my head,
my neck hit the ground first and it kind of crunched.
I started to jump back up, and when I went
to go jump back up, it cracked again. And RC
was already standing over. I'm like, hey, get the trainer.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I couldn't break.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I couldn't breathe either, though, like real, I just couldn't
believe you didn't fumble that joint too.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
You held onto the rock, hit your neck and scored debo.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
That joint was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Brother, I had a whole squad, man, I had dudes
that threw two blocks.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Brouh oh No.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Helped me get down there, and that was something that
we ended up practicing, dude, Like that whole week dude
in uh Tampa when we were down there and Coach
Laboul was giving us the stats on your percentages of
winning if you get a turnover, if you get a
defensive touchdown, Dude, it was something like it was close
to ninety you get a defensive touchdown, dude. So that

(17:02):
whole week, you already didn't matter if we caught the
ball and got to pick at the one yard line,
the whole defense raging take it to the house.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
They just waited for us to get back m hm.
And you know, practice made perfect. It's a mindset y'all
went in that joint. If somebody gets to be taking
it back to the crib, yes, no matter what, No,
We're gonna pitch it back if we gotta pitch it back.
But you no, I'm gonna get busy. I'm gonna jump
over buddy. You know what I'm saying, Take it up.

Speaker 2 (17:29):

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like that, I had my running back skills come out.
You're saying you had it high like I could have went.
I could have went either way at the end. I
ain't gonna lie. I ain't having high and tight no more.
I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf
of bread like this.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know what I'm saying. I had it like this.
The crazy thing is when.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Fitz came off the side, if he had actually swiped
down and just hit the ball, it would have popped
out it. He missed and hit my chest. It gave
me time to cover it up. Okay, it was the
only thing, you know what I'm saying in the back
skills wasn't you know what I'm saying, Speaking of running backs,
we got we got a little thing from uh Therman
Thomas here. Rather than rewarding running backs for production once

(18:08):
the rookie contracts expired, Thurman Thomas is upset that teams
are instead letting them go and moving on to the
next younger and cheaper player. He says, you still deserve
a contract. The first team you put the first team
has put you through hell, and yet I'm still ready
to go. Haven't had any injuries. Now give me my

(18:34):
damn money. Uh, it's not even receiver money. It's like
we're hanging with the punters and the kickers.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
What do you uh? What do you think of the comments? First?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
But the use of running backs now, like, what do
you think has been the change?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think they don't.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I mean when you look at it, like they're getting
rid of guys younger and younger. If you're not one
of those top five running backs, you're you know, they're
getting you out.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Of there, bro one thousand percent. And like you said,
you know what it is. It's a business. So if
you're they're going to use you up rookie contract, then
first three years, you know what I'm saying, Hopefully if
you stay that the part is that you're.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Expected to get hurt, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
So the running backs, and then you can draft a
running back, they say in the second round and third round.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You can get running backs a little bit all over.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Jalen Warren for example, he's a great running back that
we didn't draft high. You know what I'm saying, It
ended up being to sign him for the low So
it's messed up. But understanding like Saquon Barkley's are going
to be the reasons why great.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Running backs to end up just high production.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
You're gonna have to take a shorter term deal with
guaranteed money. These two years fully guaranteed joints. If they're
doing the two years for getting fifteen million dollars a year,
Saquon just did a two year for forty million dollar extension.
Now the market, the highest paid the back is a
twenty million dollars a year understanding. He got thirty six guaranteed.
It's going to be more guaranteed the shorter term deal
when you start coming off your rookie contracts and it's

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just because the you're going to get this one hundred
percent injury in the NFL and they're giving you the
ball all the time. So just got to be able
to get on that for a little bit shorter term
deal and just better on yourself. It sucks, but it's
the NFL. That's the way that they're going, and they
not trying to it is a business. So just keep
that in perspective.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I love the way that.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
The Eagles and say Kuan, they did it right. You
know what I'm saying, cook in the bills. Just these
little short term deals with fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, that's solid money. Hopefully,
like when you get sa Quana, put it up to twenty.
We get another running back that continues hopefully balls out
Bejean Robinson. Hopefully he can get up there and this
next that stay healthy, get to twenty two. So I
see it going up, but just knowing it's going to

(20:50):
be more short term deals with guaranteed money because it's
a business.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
You are running back.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
They can figure out they can come get you, get
you find somebody coming out of college, or get somebody
for a little bit less.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's going to do. Yeah, it's the production like that.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
You know, when Thurm and Thomas played, it was it
was a totally you know, it was a totally different game.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It was.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
It was you know, it was run heavy, it was
a physical game. And and you know them guys, you
know play play play longer careers because that's what the
game was. You had a big h you know, had
the big offensive line. You had a big defensive line,
and you went out there and you tried to push
the other guy around right and if you had, if
you had a good running back with you, a nice

(21:31):
fullback block, and that's just what the game came to
right now. It is a pass heavy game, dude. You know,
everything they want to do is for scoring. They did
things that helped by you know, changing the rules to make.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It easier for them to score.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, you know, it's offensive base rules for for the
majority of things that's going on. And touch the quarterbacks
they make wearing yeah, yeah, again, the wear and tear
you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying
one running back that much, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know, you got a lot of people who are
not a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
You've got a few teams who are now using you know,
a couple guys you know, and and finding a way
to get the money situated to where they can they
can they can keep both. I think Detroit is one
of those people that got it. Got got a great
you know, uh, two running backs over there that really
you know, compliment each other. You got a speed guy,
you got a power guy, and you know they're having

(22:31):
some some real success, you know with their run game over.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's the best combination, the best spread of that combination,
I think in the league for show, yeah, I got
to figure out how what the contract situation is too,
how much they make in the year, because whowever they
finagled that, other teams need to look and see how
to finagle that.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, you gotta have you got. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think you got to have guys who are willing
to be like, I know what my worth is and
have a realistic number of what their worth is. Although
you want to get paid as much as you can
at some point, if you're trying to do this to
actually make money and for the longevity of it. The

(23:11):
longer you can play, the more money you can make.
I think happened two running backs is more beneficial for
a person that is playing, you know, the running back position.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
No, I think so to you right, wear and tear
on them, have to carry and just seeing as long
as that money's.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Looking good for you.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
You don't have to be the highest person to set
the market. But if you comfortable, your family's comfortable, you
like your income, stay right there, keep it cruise. You
know what I'm saying, So, I don't think you need
to always shake it up, always try to get out
of a situation like that. So I think for sure
we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball
all the time, they're going to keep punishing me.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Is it worth it?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Or am I gonna be able to play a little
bit longer if I got another dude with me. Now
I'm splitting carries with and we you know what I'm saying,
both could be here for a while.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
And yeah, like you said, the workhorses go get paid,
the money's go go up. But as a whole at
that position, you know it's not I can get I
can get a guy in here that you know, he
hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
You know he's coming in you know, fresh out of college.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know they got the rules set to where these
dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to. And
now he's and he's hungry, you know what I'm saying,
He's ready to get in there and trying to take
right try and take your spot. So you know it's
easier to get that rookie contract. You get him in
there for four years, you start looking at the other
the next guy, you won't you know, you know, a

(24:30):
year or two before you got to get rid of him.
I mean, if you're looking at the situation right now,
like you said, with the Steelers, they went and got
a top, you know, a top running back, and then
they went and got another running back. And who's sitting
there right now with the contract and who did they
let go? This is a prime example of it. What
you know, therm that's talking about exactly yeah, exactly. So,

(24:54):
speaking of the Stellers Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady said that
Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback NFL history. He said,
Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greatest passer
of the football that league has ever seen. He could
get the ball from point A to point B faster
and more accurate than any player in NFL history. What

(25:18):
do you think of those comments?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
See, so I'm going to say that I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
And this is just before before I even when I
was growing up. This is two thousand and two, two
thousand and three. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers and just from
my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Brady who is the better quarterback?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I was like, in history like trying to get
the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test,
I thought Aaron Rodgers through the prettiest spiral, through the
best pass that I've ever seen in my life, just
the release of it, just the placement, just the way
that he threw the ball. And that might not make
him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and
Super Bowls, that's like, that's for other.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
People to debate.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
But from my eye test, when I was watching my
best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and
put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers. And that
is without before Tom Brady saying this, This is the
way I felt. You know what I'm saying back in
the day, and I would say Tom Brady greater. Peyton
Manning may be greater, But with my eye test and
how you put the ball in certain spots and spend

(26:20):
that joint like that, I've never seen nobody spend it
like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Would I would agree.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I would agree with you and time because the biggest
thing for me is the speed at which he gets there,
with the accuracy that he gets there. Believe me, I've
seen the firsthand and he's throwing this thing. It looks
like with the flick of a wrist.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Dude, when he was.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Doing it, and it's it's on the money and it's
spivealing every Yes, it's like it's like three it's like
three inches right out of your reach and nobody can
get it but the receiver. You know what I'm saying.
And it's time and like lightning. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's It was impressive. I've been in situations. That was
my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season
when I came out for the Browns. We played Green
Bay and Landbowfield. First game in my career, first preseason game.
He went ten for ten on us and threw a touchdown.
And that's when he had like Donald Driver, he had

(27:20):
Jordi Nelson ten for ten.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
He went ten for ten and I'm right there in
the pocket, but I can't touch the ball.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
The receiver can touch the ball right out.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yes, he caught the joint and then I tackled him
catch and tackle.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But I'm like, oh my, I'm right here, Why are you.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Still throwing it? Oh that's a pick and no it's not.
God right out of my reach. I'm falling diving for
the ball.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But people who I think was great, like really great
at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's time, dude.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
You'd be like, oh, I done broke on this, and
he would throw the ball to where it's going over
your head to the receiver over his shoulder and you broken, dude, yes,
looping it.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, bro, so I know you know been the same.
Jordan Nelson.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm right there and I'm like, he threw the fade
ball and I'm right there and it went right over
my hand. I'm like, this, dude is unbelievable. He's trying
me and I can't touch it. I haven't touched the
ball yet. You couldn't even knock one down. YOA I
didn't get no people used none, not one, all completions.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
They was catching it and I was tackling them. I
was like, oh my god, oh my.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
God, he got it. Tackle bro. It was crazy. How
many you had that game? Man?

Speaker 3 (28:35):
How many times he threw it on me? I had
three tackles with three you went tien for ten. I
told you were three for three on me at three
good tackles. Boom low tiers, solid tackles though. You made
no yack zero ya ya at all zero yack.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm
talking about. Man.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That was that was crazy squirrels that it was in
lambeau Field twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It felt like to me, dude, he got cold. Man.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
It was beautiful outside, it was a beautiful day.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
It was in August. He was whipping that thing and
he was spending that ball so well yep, yep, yeah, yeah,
that's that's That's one of those things you can't you know,
it's nothing you do you can do to defend great.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
No, no, no, it's not about me. It's about Aaron
had nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's all about
I was as I was a nameless I was a
nameless great face.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
He saw through me that day, he saw through all
of us.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Dude, speaking to do about none of about him or
nothing about you. Let's roll over here to Miami, man,
I guess. Miami announced that their captains for twenty twenty
five season.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And there was no Tariq on it.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I guess for the first time since twenty twenty two,
he was not voted captain. Mike McDonald and Mike McDonald
had a very revealing quote. He said, we were focused
on giving the keys to the cat to the captains,

(30:17):
so the guys that had earned uh hold on the
guys that had earned it each and every day. That's
what speaks to me the most is the football team
that knows who it wants to be led by captain
c to the guys I got you, all right? So

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with that not being selected, are you surprised? What's your
reaction to that.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I ain't gonna lie to you, brother, I'm not surprised
at all. Did you know you remember back the end
of the season, I'm trying to be out of here,
and you.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Know that could definitely at the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Not only am I trying to be out of here,
this man pulled hisself off the game in the third quarter.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Come on, brother, so we acting like we acting like
these are other grown men. These are your teammates that
are voting for the captain. They seen that and like
they wouldn't People just not gonna vote for that, you
know what I'm saying. They don't feel like you all
in and you said you wasn't all in. I mean,
you apologize and everything, but that's cool. You're still gonna
be able to come in there. They're gonna respect you.

(31:25):
And as long as you go out there and work,
be wrong.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Man. I want you to work.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I want you to play every day, be on time
for meetings, and when you out there, grind and when
you on the field, grind and try to.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Be the best you can be. Be tyreque. That's all
I need.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I need nothing, no more, no less, but making you
a captain. After you said what you said, I'm not
gonna go in there feeling the type of way. But
you can action speak loud on words. You can show
me better than you can tell me. You coming in there, working, grinding,
doing what you gotta do, leading by example is what
it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But it's okay you're not a captain.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I was on the teams where I was felt like
I was a leader a couple of times that I
wasn't a captain. I was never a captain and I
was on the Steelers. That's m Heyward TJ. It's going
to be a certain amount of captains, so when they
come there, then you know you're still gonna be a
valuable part. Just don't be bringing bad vibes. Come in here,
do your job, and it's gonna be what it is.
Maybe next season. If you come in there, show leadership,
do what you gotta do, then you could be a captain.

(32:14):
But you know how that is. You told us you
gotta Yeah, they ain't gonna I'm not voting for you.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah. I think he let he let us emotional state.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right then get him into a situation that if he
had just sat back and and had time to cool
off and think about it, I don't think he would
have did and said the same things at that point.
I mean, when you go back to it, you know
that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro,

(32:47):
you know, his first time I believe, having a losing
season in the NFL. I think it was a knee
jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that you know
he saw as a permanent situation that may continue, and
it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna be out of here.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Do you think do that? Do you think it's cool though,
that he's not going to be a captain? Do you
realize you understand?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
You think cool?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Cool with it? I'm one I'm one hundred cool with it, dude.
I have no issue with it at all.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like you said, the team voted that they according to them,
the team voted that they are they made it to where. Uh,
they spoke by who they voted for, and you know
that that speaks for yourself. It's sometimes where you know,
some teams you vote, but they end up picking who
they want. Um hm, what you laughing for, Joe?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Uh? I mean you you that that that could be?
Could that could be? Could be? Could be. I'm just saying,
you know, I've heard, I've heard of it happened. I've heard,
I've heard, I've heard her.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I would like to hope that it's like the lottery
and it's legit, but.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
You never know unless you see it for yourself and
then you saw it and you know.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's some teams that actually do pick who it is
they want to be the leader for their team, and
sometimes they disguise it under the you know the pretense
of that's who the guys picked. But it's kind of
hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys
are like you pick.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Who you pick? Who? Who? Who voted for? Who?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, you know what I'm saying you're saying.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
You just said.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I'm I'm catching what you're putting down. You know what
I'm saying, But I ain't trying to you know, yeah, I'm
just saying.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm just saying that, you know that that happens, so okay,
that's all I was saying.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Okay, yeah, But him not being voted, I mean he
even had you know, he even understood it. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
For sure took accountability, you know, for what he said.
He's not price that he wasn't voted captain. You know,
he know he's going to have to go in there
and earn these guys as you know, trust.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Back and all that.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, you say that, you're basically saying that you
don't want to be with us no more because we trash.
Like you can't you can't say that because you're not
saying like us. You're saying like it's you, Joe, you're trash.
I don't want to be here. I need to get
out of here because I can go and do way
more without y'all.

Speaker 2 (35:27):

Speaker 3 (35:28):
He's telling y'all are trash. I've won on other teams.
I need to go back I was in Kansas City.
They were better than y'all. I need to go back. Yes,
that's what they felt like for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Now we skip on over to Dallas.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Man Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and detended Micah,
saying that he felt everyone in Dallas current locker room
like Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.
He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like
they're there are some former players who are not here

(36:03):
no more who didn't like Michael. There was a lot
of us. I would say there was a lot of
I would say hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of
who he is and the production he does on the field.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Imagine if you came in here and.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
You're thinking, and you're taking somebody else, so you're taking
somebody shine or taking somebody's spot, You're not going to
like that. They're going to feel type of way, especially
if you're that type of person. Ooh, that sounded like
shots fire.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
You name any names. But I mean, do you think
this was referring to de Marcus Lawrence? Oh? I mean
that sounds that sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
They were saying, take somebody's spot there was.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't. I'm just asking a question. I ain't. Look,
that's why I don't know. I don't my name be
it and I ain't in it.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
But I mean the descriptions of what he's saying, it
says I think everyone liked him. I feel like there's
some former players who are not here no more who
didn't like Michael.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
There was a lot of I would say, hate, jealousy, envy,
those of.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Personal words towards him because of who he is and
the production he does on the field. So imagine if
you came in here and you're taking somebody shine. So
he took somebody, he was taking somebody shine right and
taking somebody's spot.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
You're not going to like that right now. You're going
to feel.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
A type of way, especially if you're that type of person.
Now he's saying that person is that type of person too,
So I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm just asking a question, do.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
You like Do you think he was referring to anybody
in specific, maybe the Marcus Lawrence or I don't know,
he is thing yes or no. This this this is
what I could possibly be. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
It sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive
end because he said taking his spot.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
If we don't go from.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
There previous defensive end that did there, I would say
I love Trevon did is coming out because nobody really
came out in defense of Michael Parsons.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I know that these dudes kick it, they hang out.
That's his boy.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
So from Treyvon's perspective, it could be literally what it
is like, that's my mass.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
We cool.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Treyvon also has his bag and knows that Michael Parsons
out there balling deserves his bag. He's been playing with me,
We've been doing this together. So he's out there, I
think trying to defend for his mans. I don't know
of the person that's not on the team anymore, but
it sounds like another defensive end that was there that
maybe Debo say.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
It's like, yeah, obviously, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
What I'm saying, Like the same situation when we have
is like you and TJ come in where he's like
they maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus. Maybe they tried to
play with him a little bit, you know what I'm saying,
Like they tried to play with you and TJ a
little bit. You know what I'm saying like, that's probably
probably how it was, and the Marcus don't play that,
so he's probably vocalized how we felt, you know what
I'm saying. And I think that some of that stuff

(39:30):
it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and
Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with
DeMarcus and the Cowboys organization, you know what I'm saying,
he might have talked to them, maybe not rocking, Oh
you drafted this, dude, or what are y'all thinks going on?
I'm just trying to go from Devil's advocate, because there's
always two sides of the store. I don't know what

(39:51):
happened with Micah, I don't know what happened with DeMarcus,
with Trayvon what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle. But
I just sounded like, yeah, the posle kind of it
kind of fitting. You know, the pieces is fitting, you
know when you line it up. So I think it's
a possibility. Will I give a definite yes or no?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
No, I can't do that. No, that's not we can't
do that. That would be that would not be.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
That would be disingenuous, A thousand to the argument, come
on debo right exactly. So now speaking to Michael Parsons,
Dan Campbell said, Dan Campbell, we know what kind of
player Michael Parsons is.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
We'll have a plan.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
It's Michael Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in
the NFC North of.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Do you think I mean, I mean, it helps him
out a lot. I mean, I don't see, I don't
see why not. I mean, the Packers are not a
bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good. They
beat they've been they did, they did good last season,
and with just adding another defensive player, that's gonna help
out their secondary, that's gonna help out their pass rush.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Since Jordan Love, with another year under his belt, he's
done nothing but prove to me that he can actually
be a franchise quarterback. So if he can be a
franchise quarterback, and Michael Parsons can help that defense out
because they don't look bad. They look like they're on
the up and up. They're drafting well, they're moving in
the right direction. So Packers are up for me, And
like I said before I've seen them. They made a

(41:28):
Reggie White trade with a quarterback, they made a Charles
Woodson trade with the quarterback, and now they got Jordan
Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade. I'm
liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a
crazy piece on defense because they can have a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
So I think the Packers is looking like they know
what they're doing. Yeah, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I want to go with I think it puts the
Packers as the guys in the NFC North right now.
You added in a pass rush. Sure, the games that
you know they've played over the last year or two
have been close games when you take into account you
know that the Lions I believe lost their O and

(42:13):
DE coordinator to head coaching positions. You gotta change right there.
You got Hutchison coming back off of you know, messing
up his leg. You got to build that confidence back
at going out there. Especially you know how he you know,
ended up messing his leg up. He swung around, So
you got to get used to it. How long that's
gonna take. I hit and swing around. It's you know

(42:36):
he's back full on. But to get out there and
live action, when those bodies are flying around, it's a
little different. But I think you know, having Micah there
and you add him in there with the current defensive
line that they have, I think it puts him over
the top. These three point games, you know that that

(42:56):
that's going to go ahead and actually, uh where it's
a sacophone now yeap that that three point game can
be a switch from you know, a loss to a
win of three points or or six points or seven
points whatever that may be. Yeah, the game changer, yes,
definite game changer, like there's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So now let's get back to our Steelers then, Okay,
what you want, what you want, what you want to hear?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Tell me what you want to talk about your man,
Adam Scheffler. Chef Schefter is talking about Cam Hayward maybe
sitting out for the season opener, Damn.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Sitting off for the season or what's going on over there?
Give me, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I know he got two years left on this contract,
don't He just signed a two year extension. He got
two more left. I think he signed it. He signed
a two year extension last off season, which gave him
this year and next year for contracts. So he got
this year. Oh, hea't deal for next year. So last

(44:02):
offseason signed the two year extension because he only had
one year left on his deal. So then he played
that and now he has this one and next year
for the extension he signed last year.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, so he did say out a portion of training
camp and didn't rule out sitting in the start of
the regular season until he gets what he wants. Hayward
was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's
going to play, but Adam Scheffner says there's still a
possibility Cam Hayward doesn't suit up.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
They're not they haven't.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
They have not been able to figure it out, and
so I would think it's going to be really interesting
to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field
on Wednesday as the Stellers get ready for their see
as the Stellers get ready to open their season on
Sunday against the Jets. It's about to get interesting there,

(45:00):
and again maybe Cam Hayward says, I'm not going to
play on this deal. It didn't sound that way earlier
in the summer, But we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
What the deal looked like. Joe. The deal was the deal.
The deal was two years, twenty nine million.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
So first year this season, he'll this year he'll be
making fourteen point seven and next year he'd been making
like fourteen point two. So I think he's looking I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Love the stealers because I mean, this is going to
be Cam's going to New year, what thirteen year, thirteen fourteen,
So I mean his production and everything, I understand what
he's saying has not slipped.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So there's defensive tackles. I think that I think it's
up there. Defense.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
We've got defensive ends obviously now forty seven million dollars
a year with MICHAELH.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Parsons. We got TJ.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Wade at forty one, we got Miles Garrett at forty.
And he's kind of looking at it with him making
fourteen point seven Pro Bowls and all that stuff like
it just like maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting.
I mean, maybe they deserve double what I'm getting, not triple.
So he's making fourteen point six. Maybe Cam just wants

(46:09):
a little six million dollar bonus, you know what I'm saying,
to make it around twenty million. But he did sign
the extension I can see where the stealers are coming from. Where, man, Cam,
this is gonna be your thirteen year fourteen, we got
fourteen point seven, we got fourteen point two the next
two years.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
You're good too, giving me you real bread, so I
can see where they coming from. And then with Cam
as the player, as production wise, what he has done
is a little up from what his contract is making.
But you can see how it's a little bit of both.
This is this is like his fifth contract with the Steelers,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Not bad deal.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Like for decaense of tackle on your thirteen fourteen making
fourteen seven, fourteen to two, that's.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Those good numbers. Those are good numbers for like, you
know what I'm saying. So it's not a disrespectful thing.
But for Cam being the player, knowing this is going
to be kind of his way out trying to get
his just see, possibly can't because it is a business.
He knows if people's playing bad, they might have did
some other stuff. Might EASi, you could have they could
have just let him slide, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
But he knows the reason why he is still there
is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff.
It is because you know what I'm saying, I'm performing
on the field.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
So yeah, I just I don't know what it is
that makes me think that he's not going to sit.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Out unless I tell you what.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I see Cam sitting out only if in his head
he's saying, I'll retire if you don't give me what
I want. That's the only way I see him sitting out,
Because if you sit out, like you got two years
on your deal, what you go do? Sit out till
it's over with for a couple of years. And I

(47:49):
think the only way he would sit out is if
the thought process is if I don't get what I want,
I'm not going to play for this and I'll just
retire because it's not worth it to do it at
this number and put my body through whatever it is
that I need to do.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, to get ready and stay ready for the season.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
That's the only way I see him actually he could
plan this year is that he says.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
That sounds like that sounds like a like an Aaron Donald,
Like an Aaron Donald knowing end of the day, he
can walk.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Away unless he gets what Unless he gets the number
he wants.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
If he doesn't feel like fourteen million dollars a year,
touching taxes an eight million to go to this thing
where he's like, no, I should be making twenty. I
could tuck ten eleven, like twelve million dollars, you know
what I'm saying. After the season, then it's just really
he's good. You know what I'm saying that. I mean
that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be
and Cam and be in the position that he is,
like with his body, with his family not wanting to

(48:50):
do it, that would.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Be I think, like you said, that'd be the way.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Being able to sit out and be like this, I'm
willing to walk away, But I think Cam's still raised
the play, still wants to go. And if you do
play camp, you still got a number thirty ms, you
know what I'm saying coming in these next two seasons.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
So I will hunk her down. Yeah I would. Yeah,
I ain't gonna lie. I did it. I did it
for way unless babe.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
You know what I'm saying. Well, but you know I wasn't.
I wasn't trying to count anything else. But what you
know was good enough for me to go out there
and play and be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
So a thousand percent and that's it. That's that's on
what that's and that's on camp. He knows, he knows
this number. He knows what's gonna make him good and
what he feels like he deserves. So more power to
him because that's my good man. He a ball that
he gonna Hopefully everything works out.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Hopefully it works out, you know, even if it don't,
hopefully it still works out.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
You know what I'm look, we be talking about my
man taking fourteen seven or getting some more money.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
So it's just it's a win win, no question.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
So Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans. Well,
Stafford finished the season as he deals with an aggevated
disc in his back.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I don't know, I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford man.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I played against him since he was at Georgia and
I was at Florida. He had AJ Green there, so
we had some battles ever since two thousand and eight,
so that I love his game. He also has a
cannon of an arm. Great competitor, plays hurt, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I really really love his game.
But you know that thing that that health that thing
is always gonna catch up, which you can't nobody run

(50:33):
away from that. So I think as long as his
line tries to keep him up right, but he's a gangster,
he's gonna stay in the pocket. He's gonna stare down
the barrel. So I mean, it's just I don't know, depending.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
On what film it looks like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think as long as he doesn't have a catastrophic
event where it like just totally herniates, he'll be able
to make it. Because I myself went through a whole
fourteen weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl
where I had Hernie diss in my in my back, and.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
It was the year.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
It was the year we ended up losing to Green
Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude,
and you know, as the as the beginning of the
week goes on, you know, I'm taking the T shot,
and the T shot would make it go away. So
I would play. You know, my first game, it was cool,
you know, second game it was a cool. Third game,

(51:34):
I took the T shot and I'm like, yo, I
can still feel something. So I believe it was the
fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more.
I'm like, yo, like, y'all got to check out what's
going on. I'm getting these pains down my legs like them.
You know, I'm getting a psiatic pain. I'm getting this
stinging pain in my in my achilles, you know all that.

(51:54):
And you know, it got to the point to where
you know, I was playing and I go to step
on that foot to turn the corner. Dude, my whole
leg just boom gone. Oh no, it's fall right, So
they did the MRI. They do the MRI.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I go in and they're like, get the MR report,
and Doc like, yo, you need to come in.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
So I go in and he's testing me out and
he's like, James, you know, just looking at your back.
You know, I would say that you need to have
something done right now. He said, but you you know,
you're testing out strong and all that. And I'm like, yeah,
I'm strong when i'm strong, but when it ain't, it's gone,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
So basically, it was.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
An option of get the surgery now you're out six weeks, right,
or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well,
let's just get the surgery now, man. You know what
I'm saying. Okay, well end up talking to you know,
I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever,

(52:58):
and they're like, well, let's just go until you know
you can't you can't go on anymore. Right, So I'm like,
all right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway.
You know what I'm saying. I want I want to play,
I want to win. I want to help my team.
You know what I'm saying. Because I looked at my
dudes as family.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You know what I'm saying. That's that's one hundred. This
was twenty ten, man.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
But the year the year they uh, the year before
they locked us out.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So I go and I'm playing and do it.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I had two times where you know, I had one
time they had to.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Come get me. I couldn't get out of the bed. Bro.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
I had two times where I actually got a epidural
dude on like a Priday.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yes. So they take, they take and uh they do it.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
You know, uh floor scope got it and they go
to the site where the distance and they inject the
cortisone and some numbing stuff sorry quarterzon, yeah, quarterson and
some numbing stuff. So when they hit it, it's like boom.
I'm like oh, because it's taking that pressure off of
the nerve that the disc is pressing on. So it
was my it was my S one L five L

(54:05):
five L four, it was my lumbard, So it was
pressing over those nerves. So I was getting a psiatic
And that's why, you know, a couple of times my
leg just drop and give out them. You know what
I'm saying, I lose, lose power and all that. Yeah, yeah,
so I go and you know I played through it.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
You know, you played the whole season with that being
able to go? I play. I played. Yeah, I played
twelve weeks with it being able.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And I also was getting a lot of soft tissue work,
so I was doing things like you know, I was
getting dry needled, so I was getting my pair of
spinals needle, which is the muscles in between your spine,
to make sure that you know, I was able to
keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze
down on that nerve.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
What was your practice schedule like practice normal? Bro, practice normal?
I practiced normal. I didn't I didn't change nothing about
my practice, bro like I love to practice because I'm
not a person that could sit there and look at
a scheme. I need to be out there doing it.
I need to feel what I'm gonna get for sure.
So I go through I go through that, that, that

(55:07):
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Man, I get through the season and we get done.
We lose the Super Bowl, right.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
So I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, They're like, well,
you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Now. I'm like, you know, let's hold off.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
You said it's a possibility that it could retract back
whatever d D right. So they're like, ah, well, everybody
to lock us out. I don't know if you want
to wake that long. And you know it's kind of
close to the nerves that control your bow and bladder function.
I say what that means, Well, you get piss and

(55:44):
poop on yourself.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I thought it.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I'm like, so.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I could have been back tell weeks ago, like come on,
So ended up getting the surgery.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And here's the crazy thing. It's like, I know my
body so well. Brother.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm sitting there and I'm like seven days out of
surgery and I'm like, doc, hey something. They right, I'm
still feeling a little little something on there like it
might be you know, try to say, oh, it might
be swelling or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Da da da.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I'm like, no, I ain't swelling. I know my body, man,
it's not. So they had me go do another MRI.
He come back in. He said, yeah, we got to
go back in win and get it all. So what
they missed, debo, they had to go up another level.
He was trying to be conservative and keep as much
just in there as he could, but he couldn't, so
it went back in. So I had two back surgeries

(56:39):
in nine days and didn't do none of my therapy
with the team because they locked us out. So I
did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona. You
know what I'm saying, and I do it. I think
that was the best thing that ever happened. You want
to do He took care of you.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yes, definitely, dude, definitely.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I know guys that had it done and I think
one of the two guys had it done the same
year I did, and neither one of them played more
than two more years after that. I played another seven,
So you know, I did the right thing to take
care of my body, to make sure that I actually
helped fix what was causing the issue.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well,
you know it's just wearing terror. Well, it ain't wearing terr.
It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee,
it's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring,
even in your calf that's not firing the same. So
if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle,
the knee now works in that same groove correctly and

(57:44):
you don't get to wear in tear.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
But what they do is they treat the symptom.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly, and
the symptom it's now shaving off cartlette.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So what do they do.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They going there draining your knee or they scope it
down instead of actually fixing the problem. Yes, yes, mandis
on stuff right right right, So I think it's a
possibility as long as he has a good team behind him,
that he could he could finish the year.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Like I said, bearing any real you know, catastrophic uh
you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally
hernia or God, that's just man.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
That's that's his left tackle making sure he don't get
blown by.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
And he Matthew.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
So easy to get that back blown out from telling
you man that quarterback man.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
The quickest way Matthew Stafford be out of there as
a blind side.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for MVP,
Odds ranning MVP, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and there I
can't see that word hair is beneath Beyond him are
plus six hundred and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top

(59:03):
four at plus six point fifty. Ooh, is this the
year Lamar Jackson puts it all together, not only whins
the MVP, but puts up the Lombardi Trophy?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Brother, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
You know, obviously we in the North play for the Stellers.
That's why I'm saying no Browns. I know you're gonna hate.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I'm hate. I'm from Maryland, you know what I'm saying.
So honestly, this is my thing. Patrick Mahomes has so
many of the rings. He's controlling the FC North. I
love him. I love Patrick Mahomes too. That's a good man,
him and trast but what I want is Lamar. I
just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness. And
I don't think if he doesn't get a Super Bowl ring,

(59:48):
then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is
and what he's really doing in this league. So I mean,
he's one of MVP odds. Every season, regular season, they're
gonna ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs, he's quick,
he's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the
whole season. And they got a solid defense too. You
think he's going to get that Lombardy this year. I thought,

(01:00:13):
for real it was last year. So this year, I'm
going to say now, I thought last year was the
year they looked so good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I had, I was, I was honestly quietly brooting. I
was rooting for him. I was rooting for Lamar. But
then last year, when I was like this, what happened?
It just didn't. It just didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
It seemed like they getting to the playoffs and it's
turned and health issues with guys not being there, and
then they just unravel. I don't know, and I want
to know what it is. I don't know want going
on it for him. I don't, yeah, but I lie.
I would rather anybody else wanted except for Cleveland, Cincinnati

(01:00:51):
or Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I was, okay, I know what you're saying, but what
you said, Bro may not given lie to you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I think we about right. Man. Listen, gotta be honest.
Be honest. Obviously you don't want them to end.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
No question, question bru, no question listen like we Like
I said, we about out of time. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I want to thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Guys for joining us for this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Of Debo and Joe. Hit the light button, subscribe, we'll
be back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Had it on Friday, we'd be back Friday. Make sure
you subscribe to Debo and Joe or I'm going to
have debo yo.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I don't even know what this is, but I think
that's my son's way of putting up three now. I
told him to put it up like that. But I
don't know if you're listening, but this is three now.
I seen it in a movie where it got a
dude killed because he was supposed to put up three,
but he put up three like this, and they knew

(01:01:53):
that that wasn't the right three because that area they
put up three like this, so they knew he was
a spy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
You got shot up all right. Now, y'all have a
good one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
We'll get back to you on Friday.

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