BEST OF 2025 Part 2: Ocho vs Cam'ron, Shedeur Sanders FALLS to the Browns

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Oh, chill before we get into our first topic. Something
happened yesterday and you wanted an opportunity to respond, So
the floor is yours.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh absolutely, listen. Listen.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Cam Cam has some some stuff to say, and I
had I had to think about it, and I had
to listen to it and and think about some stuff
that that that was brought up from two years ago
where I said, Cam, you my man's and.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm coming for your spot.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Now, I'm not sure how that's taking his hate when
all you have to do is understand that I'm saying
I'm coming for your spot because I see you as
the standard that is setting the bar in that specific space.
So you took that as an insult, which is weird
to me. I'm not sure how you can do that.
But if you check the motherfucker, if you check the numbers,

(00:50):
what I said I gonna do, I've already done and
surpassed that in this specific space. Now, he said, he
asked me to come join them, you know, to do
something with them, and I told him, you know, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
You got to check with my people.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
You got to reach out to my people who when
it was time for me to work with you.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
What did I ask you to do reach out to
who I talked to?

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Doug?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You talked the dog so boom? We did you know
like that? That's the way I handle business. You know,
I don't run nothing through me.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
So I guess that was seen as a sign of
disrespect because I chose to come over here with you.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Okay, now we brought up the issue with He talked
about money and bags and how much you paid guest feature.
You know how much we pay our guest guess features, Buddy,
I ain't no guest feature. Well, I'm the main attraction.
What did you talk What did you talk about? I've
always been the main attraction. There's a there's a difference

(01:48):
in your lane. You do what you do I'm in.
I'm in completely different lanes and completely different rooms from you.
Despite me always playing around and joking, it's different. For one,
you wouldn't have been able to afford me to begin with.
Let's start them, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I think because I

(02:12):
do everything entertaining, fun, laughing away, you kind of forget
and don't really understand what's being done. Over here and
how special what we have is. And that's no disrespect
to them because I like they show. I love it
is what it is, because it's different than what we do.
Their views, they got some high ones, but it's mainly

(02:36):
about going at people.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And jigging at people.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Over here it's about having fun, entertaining and the stories
completely different, two different shows.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I love them.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Though.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Then you know Cam, he's a Harlem dude. I've been
to Halem. My face is cleaning Harlem most of the time.
Those that I know from Harlem know they don't act
like that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
You're getting a little emotional for nothing, especially about stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
One years ago, two years ago.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
And it was it was a sign of respect because
I see you as the standard of what it is
to be the best at in this space. Then the
stephen A the stephen A thing you talk about weird
and I don't like you don't like my vibes.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Listen for one the whole world. No, I'm joking and trolling.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's as a funny story that wasn't even true to
begin with, and you took that serious.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So then now you're.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Getting personal with the words and the talking. I post
my location where I'm at every day. Un what you
tell me to stop doing? Stop catching rides from the airport, right,
everybody know where I am every single day, no matter
what city I travel to, I'm.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Outside all the time.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
If it was really an issue, or you really didn't
like me and it was a problem, I'm easy to find,
especially in Miami. If I'm not mistaken, you be here,
y'all feel here. If I'm not mistaken, I show everybody respect. Hum,
I show everybody love. What's one problem that you've always
gotten on me about doing a show like this, I

(04:18):
don't do enough.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
What when it comes to talk about.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Players, Yeah, you don't critique enough.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I don't critique enough because I'm always showing love. I'm
always showing respect no matter what. I never get out
of line with nobody.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
But the words that were displayed is if it's a
personal issue. Now, if it's a personal issue, which I've
never had with anybody, because I always show everybody love
and respect, I'm easy to find because I'm outside always.
In Harlem too, that's the stomping grounds, right, I be

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at Ricardos all the time. Matter of fact, I'm gonna
be in New York Monday, you're gonna be at Ricardos.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
At five o'clock to be exact.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But it's it's it's a it's always love, no never disrespect,
and that's it and.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I love and I love you, unless you want to
go another route.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
The way I look at it, o yo, I think
you explained too much.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You did what you did, You don't you're not You
don't represent yourself most people. That's why you hire representation.
If you didn't want representation, you could have done it
on yourself. And yeah, you could save three, five ten percent,
but you chose to have a representative that funnels everything through.
I reached out the dog because I knew Doug was
your representative. I didn't reach out to you first. I

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reached out the dog. I said, hey, man, what's up
with Ocho? Where are I want to run something by
Oyo funny Ocho in town?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Can we meet at the poem and such and such
and such and such a time? You showed up. I
made the pitch to you. You said, Uncle, I'm good.
I said, well, listen, don't worry about the money. I
trust you. So that was that's what that's how we
handle that. I don't like I said, look for people
like man, you don't. I said, bro, y'all got to
know what Jo serious, and y'all got to know what

(06:15):
Jo joking. Y'all don't seem to know which is which.
So that's on y'all. I know when he's joking. I
know when he's being serious. But for me, O, Jo
and we had this conversation and you hit me up yesterday,
I said, for me, I just let it rock. I
felt just then you explained too much.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did listen. Sometimes you got
sometimes you got.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
You got the clear air, right, you got, you got
the clear air, because then you have an issue, right, Well.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
He could have called you if that was the case.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
He if he had an issue with you, he could
have reached out the phone and he could have called you.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's that's how I know it wasn't an issue. It
was It wasn't no issue.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
For real.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
You have a show to do. You have a he
has a show to do. He has a show to do, uncle,
And I understand that. I understand that. But the disrespect,
you don't have to like me. I don't care about
that part. Get in line.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Them, right, But the disrespect like that, and then you
got the wrong people hearing it, and it's ruffling feathers.
It really shouldn't be ruffling because I don't move like that,
never have.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
But I think anyway, and then oh and this is
another thing.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Hold on, then talk about the money in the pocket
watching I do.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I have a question through the understand how many jobs
I have. I'm just curious. I got fifty left jobs.
Then you, being slick at the mouth, talk about if
you need a job, I ain't hiring.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
No more on this me, What did you talk? What
are we talking about? There's levels to everything. You in
one lane. I got about fifty left.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
But there's the difference.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
But because I play around and have fun with it,
for some reason, you think we're on the same level.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
It ain't never been that. Even if you was in
your prime, there's the difference.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I'm humble.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, see, I am glad.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
But see when everybody was coming from you, like I
tried to tell you, what did I tell you?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
What I tell you?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I was I was enforsa right I go, I said
I was enforcer. I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm just
addressing what was addressed towards me in a respectful way,
and a respectful way still as a small reminder for.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Me, Joe and the reason why I stopped and I said,
I'm not going back and forth with nobody. And there
been a couple of guys still taking shots. They got
too much money at stake.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm yeah, Hey, say it again on more time.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
We got too much money at stake, too much money
at stake.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And as master P, master P and Gilly say, boy say,
if you ain't careful, they'll trick you out your spot.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
They're not gonna get me out this spot.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
That ain't even happen, because that.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So I wish they whatever issue y'all may or may
not have, I don't know, I don't know, I don't
know anything about this. All I know is that Oho,
you and I Hey, we do Nightcap. We do what
we do, and we keep it moving. We don't talk
about we don't talk about anybody else on their podcast.
No matter what they say about us, no matter what
they do, whatever their numbers are, whatever their views, whatever

(09:36):
they downloads, whatever advertise or sponsorship they have. Congratulations Because
what I know eighty percent of the money that's in
circulation was printed in twenty twenty moving forward, So guess
what if the government runs out of money, they'll print more.
There's enough for everybody to choose to do this or
nightcap or all the smoke, the pivot, it.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Is what it is.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Whoever a podcast, pet, whoever have a podcast. There ain't
no reason for us to be beefing Joe Rogan. Ain't
beefing with call or Daddy. They're not beefing with Caleb,
They're not beefing with THEO Vaughn. I don't know why
we got issues now.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Listen, we don't. We don't have no issues.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
But why we got toss while we got to address it.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Listen, you listen this call. You listen to me. This
is what you get. This is what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know, if somebody, if somebody says something, then it's
it's our right to respond.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Listen to me. Let me finish that in a respectful way,
in a respectful way.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
What there's a misunderstanding because for one, like I said,
what was said that tweet out two years ago, it
was it was a sign of respect. But I'm coming
for your spot because I see you as that.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Bull should addressed it? Why address it now?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because it's it's it's good, it's good. It's not a
it's not a bad thing, unc you know. But but again,
I always show love and respect everybody always. Now, you
don't have to like me, but you will respect me.
And if they listen, if there is an issue, I
post everywhere I'm at and will never change that everywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, can we move on now, because I think we've
given them seventeen minutes too much of our time.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh wait a minute. That that's what it's about. That's
what it's about. It is what it is. You know.
We love what they do. I love what they do.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
You feel me, it's a funny show them boys funny.
You know, we got our own we got our own thing.
We do our thing in our lane. Like you say,
it's enough room for everybody. Meant to let nobody trick
us out our spot, especially that money, because I got
fifty them kids to raise, and I got.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
A goddamn new house I got to decorate. Now where
we at were good, huh, we're good.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
We're dealing with this topic.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
We've done with this, so chat, don't jump in there
and somebody, did you see what he said? I don't care.
They can talk about me all they want to. Hey,
I don't o Cho. Hopefully Ocho is done with this.
They come to say he said what he said? Ocho responded,
hopefully we can move on. But for me, I ain't
got no issue with nobody. Like I said, I refuse

(12:21):
to go back and forth. I don't see a really
a need to whether or not they like us, or
like me or dislike o Cho, or whatever the case
may be. I wish you guys nothing but the best.
But I do know there's enough room for everybody to
get to get a piece of this pie, and so
that's the way I'm gonna approach it.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So I went, hold on, hold on, come on with
that humble shit.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
There's enough room for everybody to get the piece of
the pie, but you know who gonna get the bigger piece? Man,
There's enough room for the pie, but you know who
gonna get the bigger pick?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Your door shines in his first preseason game eleven of nineteen,
one hundred and three yards passing two TVs. You know,
Coach Prime was fired up time? Yes lord, yes, Shador Sanders.
Oh yeah, what now? Coach Prime. God is good. Shout
out to Cook brought her brother for sending us this video.
Lebron James even way then that young king. Uh looking

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good out there, Shador Sanders keep going up, head down
and grind and head high to the most and head
high to the most high. Jordan Schultz take from a
high ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie or Sanders.
It's early, but wow, actually shot how good he looks.
Nike Football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Only matter of time, Yeah, o Jo, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
We could look, we can pick two plays, oh Joe,
Well damn he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz. Well
he had a guy ride over to the flat on
second and eight and he skipped the ball to him.
But you saw that over oute That brock Party throws
so well in the San Francisco offense. You see him
fit the ball until those time those small windows. Did
you see him on the move throw that touch pass?
Now the receiver made a great one head to catch,

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but did you see the touch?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, So take off your head listen.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I wanted to see what Shaud would look like in
a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get
any reps, as many reps as he should to prepare himself,
to be prepared for a game like this, to this magnitude,
Dylan Brooks hurt?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Can you pick it? Hurt?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Joe Flacco not playing so the cards that he was
dealt to go into this game.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Can you be a leader of men? Can you go
in calm, show a.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Presence of leadership, run the team, command the team, Show
that regardless of who's a regardless of who's around you,
you can still conduct yourself Like quarterback one. He was
calm under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws,
had some air and throws.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know, obviously that's what film is for, That's what
the precist is for.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
The fix the nooks in the crannies to get him out.
He looked like he belonged.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
He looked different he did.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Andrew Barrier, you made the right call. There's a reason
that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have
dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me
as any scout of those thirty two teams that didn't
need a starting quarterback, but those that needed a quarterback
and we're in.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Need of one.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Watched film on Sir George Sanders and what he did
at Jackson State and we.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Did at Colorado, and said, you know what, no, that's
not my guy.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
The quote you just read from the scout in the
AFC North. If you watch film, what did you expect
him to look like? He looked exactly like he looked
in Colorado. He looked exactly like he up to Jackson State, Calm,
under pressure in the pocket, going through progressions, making the
right throws.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's what he expected to see.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
What they expected to see and what some hope to
see might be two entirely different things.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Talk to me, don now hope, man.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I show hope, Man, I show hope this happens man
versus expect to see what I wanted to see. I
wanted to see exactly what you what you wanted to see.
I wanted to see. Could he play with poise? Could
he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive?
Could he go through his progressions the pocket collapses? Could

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he take off? He showed me some of everything. I'm
the over route through it on time and gout in
his face. Let him boo, drop me right in the bucket.
He fit those balls ay pressure in his face. The
second touchdown, pressure in his face. The first touchdow down,
the corner slumps off the flat, the safety is hugging.
He fits it in, get it in, boom on the move.

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The touch pass over the top. As I mentioned at
the top, the receiver did make a great play. But
your door had a nice loft. That's not as easy
to throw the mate. He was impressive tonight. Barry and
a lot of people, they were in the chat last night.
Let's see what your door does. Let's see what your
door does. Well, hold on.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know what they're gonna say now, Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh he's not playing against their starters. Oh he's playing against.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
This He didn't have the starters either. Well, help, hello,
I just see Jered Judy, I didn't see Joeku. I
didn't need to starting off its line.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
No send to chillman. So this is what I have
to say to those who are gonna have another feuch.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
They're gonna move the gold host right, they're gonnas and say, well,
he wasn't to go against the Panther starters.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, obviously, if he's not going.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Against the panther starters or if he doesn't have his
starters as well, and what he has at the disposal
and look that good with the twos and threes and
maybe the four that are trying to make the team.
What do you think is gonna happen when he has
the main characters in there rounding right? That makes your
job a little bit easier, that a little bit better
at their position than those that he's playing with the Knight.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
What you think gonna happen where they can try to
do the gold post? But I ain't trying to kick
a field goal or pat So I'm gonna score anyway,
and shr duer Sander's score tonight, I'm gonna give credy
words due fourteen to twenty three, one hundred and thirty
eight yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks.
Like I said, we can pick a couple of things. Yeah,
it's a strong safety of the Sam Strong safety blitz problem,

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like you know what. But it looked like he was
telling the god bro, I need you to hook up
on that. You probably not gonna be able to outrun
the safety. Lamar Jackson hold on to the ball a
little longer because he get out, run to safety, Josh Allen,
same thing that's not your door, s your door is
not a mobile quarterback. He's gonna do all most, the
majority of his damage is gonna be in the pocket.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Ojo tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism.
That's not what he's known or go ahead.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
This is then what he lacks in athleticism and inability
to get out the pocket. He has gate He has
great pocket presents, being being able to move and being
able to not telegraph but understand when that clock is
ticking and when it's time to get up out of there.
You can extremely well within the pocket without having to

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take sacks.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
What about the third down? The third down when he scrambled.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
With the D line random stunt, he was able to
get outside of it.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I like, you know what I like the most. He
saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes, Yes, that's
what I like. Oh Yo, that's what I like.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Oh y'all.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh, I all know who's supposed to go first and
who's supposed to I don't know who's supposed to eat
or who's supposed to t and I don't know who's
supposed to t But I tell you what.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm gone.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, yeah, y'all.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I tell you what y'all figured out in film study tomorrow.
But in the mean, in the meantime, I'm about to
pick up this, I'm about to pick up the first down.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
He's played himself.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He might have started after four, but after this performance,
he can't be number four because he told him something
very very interesting. He says, you can't lose your job
because of injury, because let me tell you what's gonna happen.
If you get injured and you're out and a guy

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comes in and he's playing better than you before you
got injured, is his job?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Ask yourself with Dylan Gaber before he got hurt, was
he playing better than what you saw? What your doer
sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question. Was
he playing better than what you doer was than what
should do or played tonight? So if you're gonna honestly
asks answer those questions.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Okay, right?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
And the thing about it, what people need to understand
for those that in the chat is one thing to
have joint practices. It is one thing to practice against
yourself and look good against your players.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes, scripted on.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Everything is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at times,
because there's certain things they want to work on defensively
and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Shared from team to team, so it's a green light
and everything going as if it's a real game.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you
have to do is execute it in.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from
an offensive perspective, in the way the players are called.
And he did that tonight to a hell of a job,
one hell of a job tonight.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
And this is just something to continue to build off of.
Clean up.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
There were some mistakes, obviously, they're gonna always be mistakes
and things you can get better at. And as you
continue to see different looks, you're not going to get
many looks. Obviously it's the preseason. Everything you see defensively
will be very vanilla. You know, cover tool sometimes that
you might throw in, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Man plays oo, make the plays count.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, oh and listen, he made him count the night
on that.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
You have to do when you're a low round draft pick.
Oo me being a sep no bark being a being
a low round draft pick. Oho, you're not gonna get
the plays that a high round draft pick is gonna get.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
So don't go out there thinking that.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
But when it's your time, shine, Yes, when it's your time,
shine and that Hey you say I don't count time,
I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays. As
my brother used to say. Hey, I know you ain't
get that many reps. Keep your head up because one
day John Elwig gonna call for you, he gonna look
for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You
need to be make sure you where you're supposed to

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be right your door. Didn't get a whole lot of reps.
But when opportunity presents itself. That's what luck is. It's
when preparation meets opportunity. Aminson said, some call it luck.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm glad you just said what you just said.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
You just said you didn't get as many reps as
you should have in practice.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
But he got into a game, and what did he
do on react?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
But the reps that he did get in practice, he
made those counts. Because a lot of times I've seen it.
I don't know if you've seen it on Yo, I've
seen god. Man, I ain't getting no burn, man, I can't.
And then when you get out there, youfing up.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, my bad.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Your door says, Hey, these one or two reps I
might get with thee the threes and fours. I gotta
make these counts. These gotta be my This has got
to be my best work of the day. Yeah, because
you know, whyl Cho, it might be my only work
of to day. So if it's my only it's got
to be my best because this is the only time
they're gonna see me on tape, they see me standing

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behind it.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
You know, Hey, I'm being positive.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job,
offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end
of the day, I need to get an opportunity to
show you what I can do. And when the opportunity
presents itself, that's what look is preparation meeting opportunity.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Iminson said. Some call it lucky.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I'm I'm happy. I'm happy for young Bull. I'm happy
for young Bull. This is one of the few times
I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited, excited.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
About wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Did you see all them people in the stands with
the twelve and with the signs?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Did you see all.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
That on yoke Cleveland Brown's game on the road.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Cleveland don't travel like that? Trust me. I was in
the same division with the Jokers, and guess what we
used to play.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Them, saying, say they don't They didn't travel like that. Yeah,
and they ain't got no reason to travel because it's
been bad a long time.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, So listen, tonight we saw a very small sample size.
We saw a very small sam size, yes, of what
your door sayers can look like the fact that he
played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against twos
and threes. Yeah, sure, say I say this to say
that what happens when he's with the ones having to
ruin that same offense?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
And you and you guess what and you go and
you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrally. Oh Jo,
I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning because we
normally game plan game three. We go back and now
the coaches go back and they look at what they
did last season, and we script the game plan. That's
gonna be what we think we're gonna see him. First down,

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second down, third down, third and short, third and long,
just down in distance area of the field, first and goal,
second and goal, third and goal. Now we're calling plays,
not just the arbitrarilly called plays. We're calling plays with
a purpose, for a purpose, and eventually they're gonna get
to that. But I was in pressed. Look, I understand
it's the preseason. But for someone that didn't get as

(25:40):
many reps, made the reps that he did get, he
made them count in practice.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
And when he got his opportunity to, when the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
To presented itself, he took full advantage, Tom Brady, opportunity
presented itself.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Would you say, when the rubber meat the what when the.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Rubber meat, the road man and so, uh your door?
He should he should be proud of himself, Uh you
know him being who he is, raised how he was raised.
I supposed to say, Reard, I guess you raised livestock
and animals, But anyway, be raised.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
How he was raised. He's not gonna be.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
He's not gonna be, he's not gonna get he's not
gonna get too because of guess what even killed.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, you mean you got to stay even killed.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
You know why, because not only having to deal with
the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now
you got you got to deal with the noise on
the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
And that wasn't my pick. Yeah, that's not what I wanted.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
How you do it?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit, like you said,
brother has him.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Don't smile, don't don't even don't say anything, start with
ass he said that.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Don't you say the nerve the gall I'm a Paul, Well,
I'm a David.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm gonna say it what won't time. And this is
for everybody in the chat. If even if you don't
like you do it, even if you.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Don't like him. How do you watch film.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
College film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that
would before him and see what all.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Of them are done and say, you know what, now
I'm a pass for him.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
That's not the guy I want right New Orleans Saints,
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I don't know what other teams that were the need
of a quarterback? How do you do it?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm just asking from a person that played the game
of football and understanding.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I have an eye. I have an eye.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I played the game for a very long time at
a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout,
but I know it's supposed to look like in situations
that are not advantageous for you. I just saw a
young fella winning Jackson State turned a Colorado pro around
that when one game, regardless of what his record was

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in his totality twenty three and twelve, whatever may have been,
I know what it can do.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
When you got the right pieces around him. I know
what he can do.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
He's a win nerd regardless of what situation you put
him in. And he showed it again to night, yet
again to night.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
What is back up.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Against the wall?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.
Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high,
he doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence
in himself and most the good ones really do no
matter how bad and we've seen it, no matter how
bad it might be going. The really good ones, you know,
if it's laid the ballgame, they got.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
A chance to beat you.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, and your doors in the situation where it's like
doesn't make any excuses, and he always says the right thing. Listen,
it's not as easy as you think to always say
the right thing, because you're dealing with the human element.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Of it, the human element of it.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
No matter how much you have, no matter how little
you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter
how bad you've been, You're dealing with the human element
of it.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And people have emotions, people have feelings, and so.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Sometimes when people lash out and say things like damn man,
you know you take the amount of time.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
But he hears what's being written about him. Absolutely he's
he hears, he sees. If he doesn't, he's getting work.
It's getting back to him.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
But I just love the way the man kept his
head down, closed off his ears, and just did what
he was supposed to do. He went to work. And
that's how you that's how you have to approach it.
Don't get mad. I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong.
I'm trying to prove me right, and in the process
of proven me right, I'll prove you wrong.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
It was. It was a great job. It was his
first outing. Like I said, those throws, it was the throat.
It wasn't so it was it was the throws that
he made.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh Joe, go back and take a look at that
overball and we see brock Party throw three or four
of those game to Iu, can you used to hit breath.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Devot on those plays?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
You'll kiddle on the over look at how you threw
that ball, the timing of it.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Do you do you do you understand the anticipatory skills
you have to have as back with pressure coming at you.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
There was one, there was one. There was one overthrow
he couldn't even see.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, because on the replay we couldn't even see him.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
We just saw the ball come out.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
So he's anticipating where the receiver was gonna be and
he just made it throw and put it only where
the receiver could catch it.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yep, that first down.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
You understand when people saw tonight, I don't think they
understand how difficult the game is.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I don't think they understand how different the game is.
But he made it look like he's been doing it
for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
It's his first time, it's his first time in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Game, but he's used to it. Chat Look at his mannerisms.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Look how you walk on the first down, Okay, he
almost did the watch it breaks. He said, you know what,
I'm looking at the.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Time, but it ain't time yet.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
And just just everything about him and being quarterback number one,
just the way he carried itself.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
He was ready for the moment. No matter what they
no matter what they did, no matter what they said.
Just put me in a situation.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and
I'm gonna play it. And he did that just just
exactly how we should deny the hand he was dealt.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
He played the hand very well, and it's only gonna
get better from here. It doesn't go backwards. You don't,
you don't digress.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I'm excited, and this is coming from a Bengal fan,
excited for the Browns to finally maybe have to answer
at the quarterback position after trying thirty five times over
the years. You know, I man, listen, man, I can
go on and on about this, but go ahead, you
got it.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
I think the thing is the biggest thing. And then
after they can have.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Is the ability to believe that he belonged, he or
she belongs. I was a seventh round draft pick. She
do it was a five. There was twelve rounds when
I was a seventh. There are seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah,
but there is not one point in time that I
didn't feel I belonged on that field. I saw a
lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw
these guys that combined, and I read about them, and

(32:22):
I remember I remember calling my brother at each West
Shrine grad. I said, they do not better than me.
They're not better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah,
I remember going to the combine and that man, I
you know what you think you're read? I say, probably
post six four seven. I said, but they're not better
than me. They might be faster than me, but they
not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And

(32:44):
when I went to Denver, all those guys that went
before me, I'm like, I ain't no what. I remember
asking myself, how in that hell did you get drafted
before me? Yeah, I said, but don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long.
It won't be It was like the cat. Well, girls,

(33:05):
she say, boy, the cat got his tail caught in
the washing machine. You know what he said, O Joe,
He said, it won't be long now, he said, she
didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't
be long anymore, or it would be long for it
all be over, yes, sir, yeah, man, And when we
put them pants on, ohoe, Yeah, first, I'll never forget
because you know, the rookies, we went to camp before
the vets, so we would go like a couple of

(33:27):
days before the vets, so we would already be practicing
right in Denver before we headed up to Greeley.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Right, I saw him.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
They was nervous, o Joe, like a long tailed dog
with a porch full of rocking cherrys. You know, somebody
lean back and go be able to take you, don't
bother about now. I saw they were nervous. I said,
oh yeah, that's that's all I need to see, just
a little fear, just the little fear in the man's eyes, because.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
That's my that's my greatest ability. Yes, another man's fear.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
And listen, I know we've been talking about your door.
But listen, remember I told you. Remember I remember what
I told you about the panthers. Right, yes, remember I
told you about the panthers. If there's a if there's
a dark a chat. Stay with me real quick. If
there's a dark horse team that I believe in this
year that is going to creep up and maybe make
it run at the playoffs, I said it would be

(34:20):
the Panthers. They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look back.
Jayllen Kober went crazy tonight. T Matt the rookie from
Arizona looked good tonight.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I know, executive like it. Go'll thrown out getting into
a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason.
That's fixable. That's fixable.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game.
For those I know everybody tuned in to wash your door.
But I'm telling you right now, and I said at first,
someone that's that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't
play for the organization.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
They owe me nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I'm telling you the dark horse team for this season
the Carolina Panthers, Bryce.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Young and that receiving hord. I'm telling you what.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Oh Joe, I ain't never been that hot in in
the preseason game.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
No, the tussle they were going at it.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I don't really got no tuzzle in practice, bro, Because
I'll tell you what Dan Reeves gonna say, you fighting.
I mean, we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan said
the same thing. Ain't working hard enough. Bro, It ain't
like it is now, Bro them two hours two and
a half hour practice.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Man, please with pats.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
And you had on paths and oh let me take
that back, o Joe. You have on they call it.
See what they call shells would show the paths in shorts.
It's not shells like they call it now. Basically got
those little little fitted of styrofoam stuff on that was
not shells. When when I got in the nineties, shells
would show the paths.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And shorts shorts.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, and and you know we hit that they were
we hit back then Nine on seven was live.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Team team was a solid thud up. It wasn't no
touch the guy on his like a two hands touch.
Oh no, you put shoulders on him, you put pads
on him.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You bet you better come to you better come to
balance and be ready.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and at
Water man, they come down in that box.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Boy.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
We had thumpers back then.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Oh yeah, man, please, Atwater ain't played with at Water
coming downhill now and.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Atwater, wasn't the thumper like then Dennis Smith, Kahuna was
the thumper number forty nine.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Whoa, whoa, whoa more than water?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yes, Les, yes, lord, oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I saw that Joe a at two o five two ten,
I saw him sit lineman, sit linman on the ass.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
They pulling. He ain't never go low right up. That
showed in their chest and set him.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Down at ten at two ten.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Here go back here if y'all can find it, go
back and check the tape.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He pots come
through the hold.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
He hit him. He was out cold.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Uh, Marrion Butts. Hey, if you if you're a Charger fan,
you know who. Because back then, o Joe, they had
a big old, big running back. They had big Marion Butts,
they had Rod Bernstein. They have a big Joe Carravello,
big Joe Cox. I mean they are the tight ends
were like three hundred pounds offensive line, mammoth offensive line.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah, Cohuna run through.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Go back and look at that play with Dennis Smith
hit Uh, he hit Marrion Buts and he hit Roosevelt Potts.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, you know, you know who else was the Thumber two.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Remember Donovan Darius.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, yeah, I played against d D Double D at
UH at Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
But that was back back in the nineties. You had Chuck.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Cecil, you had Mark Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy, back then,
it wasn't no nothing defenseless about back. They said, you
got him and the shoulder pass. What the hell you
thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh yeah, you're gonna get that work. What you're gonna
get that work? Rodney Harrison, Oh, ro Rod come with
all four home every time.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Hey, I say bro, he say Shaw, just stay out
my knees. I say, got you. But boy, we tried. Boy,
we definitely try to hit each other in the mouth.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Hey, that's a hard playing joker. Oh, Joe.
The biggest story I know is football. But the biggest

(38:36):
story that we've had in a very very long time.
Portland Trail Blazer's head coach Chauncey Billups in Miami Heat
Garry Terry Rogier were arrested by the FBI in separate
gambling pros this morning. Phillips arrest is related to an
illegal poker games tied to the Mafia. According to ABC News,
WOA tied to the Who, the Mafia, uh if Red

(38:57):
collect the Bonano, the Gentlevie's, the College Umbio, the Columbia Colombo,
and the Lukeses. But anyway, assistant coach Tiago Splitter would
take over for Phillips as Portland New inem coach. Rogier
is accused of being part of a gambling ring that
used inside information to make illegal wagers. According to ABC,

(39:20):
Rosier and Phillips are just two of the names arrested
in a wide ranging prole called Operation Royal Flush. They
need to stop that started four years ago. Two indictments
have thirty four defendants listed. The indictment allegens that Rosier
told associates he was going to take himself out of
games during the first quarter on March twenty third of
twenty twenty three against the Pelicans so others could bet

(39:44):
the underprop bets. This information was sold to others so
they could also profit. There was a two hundred and
fifty nine thousand that was wagered on Rosier by a
group of people with inside information. According to the indictment,
Roger laid under ten minutes in the game. Billips took
part in a rig poker game in Manhattan. According to

(40:06):
the FBI, how do you how do you rig a
poker game? Well, Oho, according they had X ray machines
built in the tables, so when you lay the cards
face down, I can see what your hole cards are.
Now I could play contact lenses through glass that read
marked cards, So you know, Oh, that's the ag that's this,

(40:28):
that's the secret cameras in card trades. Billips is also
alledged to have provided inside of information on the Trailblazer's
injury while team was tanking at the end of twenty
twenty three season. Former NBA player Damon Jones was also arrested.
Jones sold information on the Lakers game so others could
bet on it. According to the indictment, Jones is a

(40:51):
close friend of Lebron James, who did not play in
the game in question. The Lakers were named in the
investigation during the press conference defended in the NBA gambling
clip case. Has been charged with conspiracy to commit wirefar
fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundry.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Hey man, listen, man boy, this this is this is big.
This is huge.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
This is listen. This is like an episode of law
and order.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
You hear me?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
One, Okay, I understand the gambling part.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yes, what grabs me will grabbed my attention is the
fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today's society.
Not oh listen, I know they ain't never went nowhere, right,
but they're never visible their presence as opposed to the
seventy to eighties.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's what the real mob does. They're not flashy, yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, but they have they have reputable businesses. It
haves trucking, and they have cement companies, and they have
delivery services, so they have legitimate businesses to hide behind
the other things. And people ask, why do this? Is
why the NFL and the NBA puts out all injury reports. Okay,

(42:01):
So therefore, because if they didn't put it out, and
guess what people know, I can get part of that
information and in what it looked like that what happened
in the Damon Jones situation.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
He gave them the information before it.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Came out, so they bet before everybody else knew Lebron
James was a scratch, they had already got the money.
So now the line is gonna come down, but they
already got in on the other it's just, oh, let
me tell your story.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Oh here go ahead, wait, let me let me get
comfortable now, because your story has been good.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
This ahead.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
This is why I stopped going to going. We used
to have the same thing. We had a We had
a we had to play craps. Yeah, go every Monday night.
We would go. At first, it was just just guys.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
On the team. Yes, former player that was that. Everybody knew.
I knew him a long time, yes, sir uh. And
so we would go over there. We would roll dice.
Everybody month's friend.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
We led somebody money.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
The thing was, I wouldn't lend you money, so you
can bet against me what I look like giving you
a thousand dollars, and then you're gonna fade me right right,
right right, You're gonna fade me with my own money. No,
that's not gonna happen. But anyway, okay, they started letting
other people come in.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Oh oh strange other people come came in because we
didn't care, hey bray.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
At first, if we used to have like ten packs
of ten packs of dice.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
And sometimes you get holl on the dice.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
You keep the dice for like five ten minutes and
you put the dice in your pocket, say, hey, man,
these my special dice. I don't want nobody else to
touch these, right right right well, and behold they let
other people. They start letting other people come in out, like,
but who is you?

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Man? I know such and such?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Oh lord, this no time they came in there with
some damn trick dice.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Huh man. They came in there with them crooks with
a loaded dice. And the thing was, O joe. The hardest,
the hardest points on the dice to hit is ten
and four because there's only two ways you can make it.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
You can make it five five or you can make
it six four.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, the same thing with four you get three to one,
you get two two, you get flowers, or you get
a little jo kokomo.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
So that's it, man, that joker throw the dice.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
It rolled ten, So you know ay, so you know, hey,
everybody go jump on that ten.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
You ain't finn to hit that ten. Hey, I'm gonna
tell you something I don't know. Chad.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
If y'all ever gamble before, but if you want to
break up a dice game, hit ten of four out
of saw cars down, exchange hands out of saw a
lot of ish happen with that ten of four on.
But anyway, he came out. He hit ten, so you know,
everybody jump on it. Hey, you know, jump on it
with both feet. Two You ain't finn to hit that, right,

(44:44):
So he took a cool two hundred two hundred off meat,
you know.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, damn.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I said, let me come back, let me come back.
He rolled a four back to bed, He rolled a ten.
He kicked the ten O Joe the.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
End was hitting it out the door, So I say,
what there?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
So I only go over there with like twenty twenty
five hundred right right right? The dice game up hit
for about thirty what thirty? What thirty thirty bad? You
gotta realize it's like fifteen twenty of a sudden. There
we all NFL players, so we all got red or
guys would go to the ATM and get money and

(45:27):
come back.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh a, y'all some was up man.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Oh, Joe didn't know, So I tell my homeboy Burns.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
He had gone out of town because at the time
Michelle was in Virginia. So bye week, you know, not
a bye week, but he would go home. So he
would leave that Monday go home, stay Monday night, come
back Tuesday. Because a lot of times we didn't have
price we win. We didn't have we didn't have no meeting,
we have anything.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Just get back. Wisday right right right.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
As a matter of fact, he was catching the red.
I get homes early money in the morning. But anyway,
I told her, I said, man, burn, you ain't gonna
believe this. I said, dude, broke the game up. He
said what he said?

Speaker 4 (46:07):
What he was here?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I said, dude, we had a dude named Reggie, Reggie Hayward.
He broke the game up. He had the dice for
like an hour. I ain't never seen nobody getting down hot,
but it was legit. He had the dice for an hour.
Every point on the dice he hit, he was seven
out the door. He lud A that four five? Hey,
you was talking about burning fifty four died in sixty three.

(46:30):
What's my point? Na ya yay, gotta hit it, yah,
y'all what Jesse James Carrey forty five?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
He rolled four?

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Him and Smith? Why out the door?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Stayed on the dice for an hour, I said, burns,
old boy ten and folk had the dice just like that.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
The next week, the guy house that he was at
was at he would roll the dice had two grand
out there, everybody had it.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
He crapped out. He picked the dice.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Up and threw them. They split open. Oh oh, now
you can see where the weight was. So I go,
I don't hear about this till the next sold. This
is a little Monday. They start calling me, man sharp,

(47:29):
you ain't gonna believe this. I said, what man, man
boy had crooks?

Speaker 4 (47:35):
I said, ye had. He had to wait.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
The dice like, yeah, man, what you think we should do?
I said, I don't know what y'all gonna do. I
ain't gonna do nothing because I'm gonna go to jail.
So I said, look, I'm done. From that point, I said,
I'm done. I told said, birds, if you want to go,
He like, you ain't going. I ain't going. But anyway,
and I started, I look, boy, look here. I started

(47:58):
to get the dude that vouch for him. I knew it,
but he we've been cool. You vouched for him, you
vouched for him, You got the cover here. But anyway,
dude brought a brand new brought a brand new Maximum
get it.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Out first, a new gear.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
That's what stopped me from doing That's what stopped me
from doing the house game. I got it first of all,
it's got to be like us. It got to be us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
no all. I ain't talking about no Harmbley. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh yo, your homeboy, Your homeboy
can't play everybody me, you, x y z We and
a bell player boot. I believe we're gonna be on

(48:37):
the up and up, but somebody come to the game.
They know it, they know it's money gonna be there.
Ye're gonna come in and cheat. The card game the
same thing. That's what happened with the online poker. Guys
had had the online poker. He had he had the
uh you know, it's what they call it. But anyway,
he's he he they can see your.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Cards, so he get crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Technology is so advanced. Listen the part that scared me young.
I understand Charncey in trouble. I understand Damon Jones in trouble.
I understand Terry Rozier for one. I'm not risking it.
I'm not risking Listen that I'm in risking it.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Huh, thank nobody. A lot of this stuff happened in
twenty three. It's twenty five. Oh tell you the o Joe,
what criminal you know? Make a score and said, I'm done?

Speaker 4 (49:25):
I quit.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Well you can't, but you understand when the FBI get
it holy in that the FBI they watch it for.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
They don't let it run. They gotta wait till they
get you.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh Joe, I can't get you with one charge because
you buy your first time of you're gonna get off.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I got to get you deep.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I gotta make sure the hook is set, you got it.
Gotta build up, they gotta bild up this.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
This is scary, right.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
You gotta set the hook because if you don't set
it right, a big one gonna get away.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Oh yeah, absolutely, But this is the part that scared
me though, right like understanding, understanding, Okay, I understand the
gathering part. It's the part about being part of the mafia,
being entangled into it. Man, listen, that's a no note
for me right there. Off back, I don't see any sopranos. Yeah, yes,
I done seen Good Fellas. I know it's a depiction

(50:13):
of of of a fictional story maybe, but that's real life. Yeah,
I'm thinking about extortment I'm thinking about once you tied
into them, man, that's you.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Now you've got a point shade. Now you've got to
feed them. Information is what I hate most. Look and
I know you listen. I know Chohncey Billis since he
was in high school. He went to G Dove in Denver, Colorado,
which was about a mile from where I was staying.
I used to stay in the breakers. Anybody from Denver
know exactly whether breakers are on Mississippi and where? And
the uh and where G Dove is? The car wash

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used to be a Sterling car wash right across the street.
Chohncey Billis went to G dub. He was sensational, sensational,
three time mister Basketball All State all year. So we
get that, and so I feel bad for Chauncey u
uh uh and I oh, I hope this is what
they suggest.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
But my thing is and I hope this is just.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
But damon Jones, do everybody knows what Lebron goes through
to try to make sure he has no staying No,
because what did they put in the paper?

Speaker 4 (51:20):
They put Lebron James. This man has done.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Everything he possibly could to keep his nose clean, to
make sure he doesn't have the people. Look, Maverick, he
grew up with. Rich he met at a very young age.
Randy he grew up with, So he's insulated himself. Lebron
don't have a whole lot of close friends. You see him,
you gonna always see Randy. Randon is his sheep of staff.

(51:44):
Rich is his agent. Obviously, Maverick handles all the other
business inquiries. You put this man in a spot because
it's a legend that you sold information that Lebron is
not gonna play before it became public. Not And they
say they have a text message of something between the two.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I just I just hate.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
I just And obviously the funny thing about that Lebron
doesn't know. I mean them them exchanging message, him letting
them know. That's like me texting you we finna play
the Raiders, but I'm not playing like that's that's no harm,
no foul on Lebron part, because he had no idea
what's going on exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
So, but but the one thing, and when I was
talking about about them being dealing dealing with the mafia,
understanding these these people have no regard for life once you're.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
In business with them.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That means you got the aldways once they got I
need all the answers I need, who's playing, who's coming out,
what's the score line gonna be? And what happened when
you get it wrong? What happened when you mess up?
What happened when when you you you place a bet
and you give him certain information and it doesn't come
out the way it should and they lose money?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Well, all of a sudden you say you're not gonna
play it. Then all of a sudden he plays, he
a game time and he end up playing.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Hold on, what about this? Once you in, once you
in with them like that? What about you know what?
I don't want to do this no more.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I don't want I don't know, I want to do
it no more.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
And it's reported that the like he got twenty five
hundred dollars so on a fifty thousand dollar bed.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
I think it was a fifty thousand dollars bed. Wasn't
it fifty thousand dollar? Bit? How much?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Wasn't it was over one hundred thousand? They gave you
twenty five hundred, Now what what?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Hold on?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
They didn't even give you ten percent? They gave you
two percent?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
What the hell?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
I'm gonna do with that, Hey, oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, if it's two billion, I'll take ten, I'll take
two percent. But not no, damn one hundred thousand. Nah,
absolutely not, I just absolutely not. Hey, Hey, I'm listen.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I understand the gambling part right, And the gambling part
to me because I've been in that lifestyle. I don't gamble,
y'all know my cheap bask noa gamble, I'm saying. I've
just been in that world for so long and seen
so many people gamble, yes, sast thirty years.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
The part that is that has me stunned and it.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Is amazed, is, boy, you're dealing with the mafia.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I think. I think people just like letting it go
and they hell they read it.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Damon Jones, Chauncey, Chauncey and goddamn Terry Rosier is the
only one that's on the goddamn news.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Well where's everybody else? What the other thirty name? I
got to get the one? Oh Joe, let me ask
you a question. When the last time you see somebody
post a fish that was this big? They post the
trophy fish. They are the trophies.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, so now you you lose, you lose your job,
you lose your career.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
But you know they're still gonna be making their money.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Oh yeah, they ain't gonna but you know, you know,
you know it's not gonna stop, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Look here, and I used to gamble I did.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I used to come to Vegas and gamble I on
the plane we played you know, we used to play
tonk and we used to play in between. Yeah, pots
get up to five ten, twenty thousand, thirty thousand.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Dollars American money. Yes, maas shit boy, y'all man, y'all
tripping man. Man.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Look, I took a car for Gud.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I felt bad for him because I know if he
had to go home, we're gonna get a divorce. He
had he had arresto chavel or fifty four Right, black beautiful,
you took the pink slip, said, man, give me give
me three grand call of the day.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Uh, y'all were betting called pink slips.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Hey, he got to be got in a hole and
that's what happens. Oh yo, he was in the whole. Hello.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That was a story out here about a dude name.
I think his name is Jeffrey Wantonaby lost two hundred
and four million dollars lost his family fortune. Read it,
go read about it? Uh two hundred, don't read about
it a chat?

Speaker 4 (56:04):
No, his name was Terry. I think his name was Terrence.
Want nabi a chat?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Somebody send that to my instagrams or my Twitter please?
I got I got to read that. How do you lose?
Did you see the movie The Gambler?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yes, like I didn't know people had issues like that
where they're addicted to gambling.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Gambling, Yeah, alcohol, drugs. Yes, it's an addition. It's it
in endorphins. It's a high, it's a rush.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
How do you you lose twenty and fifty thousand? You
go to the shark and ask for more money too?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Hold on? Read that a lout? Say what?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
He was ash two hundred and forty million?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
At what point do you say stop? Or what point
do you say No? I lose twenty dollars, I'm gonna
lose my mind?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, he was up, but see Harr's the thing, Oh Joe,
same thing. There was a guy named Arnie at the Benyons.
He was up, he was up fifty million, lost it
all back. He had every five thousand dollar chip that
was in the hotel. The hotel used to have to casino,
used to got to come to his room and get
the chips because he had them all.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
He lost it all. You know, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I just I cann't.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I can't grasp the concept I understand gambling. Listen, I
really can't talk now because I just started. I just
started playing a little black jack myself. Every time I
go to Vegas. I don't go to Vegas often, but
they go to the black jack table. You know how
much I spend. I take two hundred dollars out of
a tim I paid a twenty five dollar hands. Yeah,
when that two hundred dollars gone, Man, I'm hurting and

(57:47):
it's only two hundred dollars. And now you you saying
these extraordinary numbers. How the hell you lose two and
forty million?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
When you get down, you try to get it back,
because let me tell you how it happens. Okay, I
lose fifty, Hey, I lose fifty, better hundred to try
to get it back. Now I'm down one hundred and fifty.
So guess what I got to do, o Joe. I'm
gonna bet two hundred because I'm gonna get all three.
I'm gonna get the two hands that I lost, and
I'm gonna be plus fifty and before you know it,
now you've been in twenty five fifty, one hundred thousand

(58:14):
a hand. So how long will it take you? Because
if you go on to rush, you're going to run.
You could pack. Hey, go back and look. I think
it was the MGM, h carry pack with it. What
was his daddy name?

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Packard? He was an Australian billionaire.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Go read but what he did, what he did to
the MGM and how he erected quarterly report, he wrecked it.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yes, when he won, he went on a run.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
He won, Yes, big time.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
But lady that was that was serving him. She would
bringing him you know his you know, smooth as a
water or whatever it was. Right, go get your mortgage.
I'm gonna pay it off for you. Oh he was
talking spicy.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
He did it?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Carry Packard is yeah, yes, damn Jim, think about it.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I know all the stories.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Hey, listen, gambling. Gambling is an addiction.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Uh, absolutely, And listen a lot of people say, stop acting.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Na. See there's certain things that I don't know about.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
There's certain things that I don't know about because it
was never It never sparked my interests. That's not something
that that. It ain't like soccer. I could take you about.
I can talk about boxing, I talked about tennis. But
but gambling him.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I just started. I just started playing black jack this year.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Oh yeah, he was a whale. Those are what they
call whales. What did the guy used to be a pinhouse?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
One of the guy on pin house?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
He was in the wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Oh damn, I forgot his name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I met him one time on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
He own hustler.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yes, yes, yes, damn, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Forgot his name. I met him. I met him in La.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
He passed away. He was a where Larry Flint, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Mister mister Flint.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
That's right, man Flint. Yeah, but oh show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
The thing is is that, look I played a couple
of hands and you know, hey, hey, you know I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Hey, hey, hey, how how much you how much you
were better? Now I don't mean to be your business.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
But oho, we was at the rio. We was at
the rio, okay, and it was me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Seven thirty fifty three and crop pot it was us. Yeah,
so we're playing So I had like twenty five thousand
on me. John John was playing. John was so I
had you know, I've won, and he was playing. So
he get a card he split, so he got so

(01:01:06):
he split them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Then it was another o the same.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Cards he split that we had about he had about
six cards that was split and then he ended up
doubling down. We had like forty thousand on the table
and the dealer bus he took all mine because if
if the dealer would have hit all my little twenty
five thousands gone.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
He's like, give me your money.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I look, wow, whoa hold on? Hit?

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
You mna give you my money?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
What kind of bull job? Ask?

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
But we won?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
But it's a oh, ain't nothing like it. It's nothing
like sitting there. You played five thousand or ten thousand
dollars a hand and then you get black jack. Oh
you got tell what gets scary oyo? What gets scary
ojo is that when you get a double down hand
and you got the five thousand or you got ten

(01:01:57):
thousand on the wood.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yeah, Now when you gotta double dad, when you gotta
double down hand, you got ten thousand on the wood.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
What that means you double your money?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
You doubling it, so you gotta put ten thousand ten
more with it, no double it, or you split it.
You gotta put ten. Guess what happens on Joe. You
get a double down hand, Yeah, you get a split,
you get a split hand. So let you get say
you get a pair of eights or a pair of
nines against a seven or below. Yeah, you're gonna split them.

(01:02:31):
Now you get a three, a two or three. Now
you doubling that. So now that's twenty thousand. Now you
get this head, you get a split, you get a double.
Now you double that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Twenty twenty thirty forty, that's forty thousand on the wood.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yeah, it ain't worth and you hit me it ain't
worth it because I want I'm thinking about the loss.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I'm thinking about the loss. You can't think like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
So you can't go to the table because you can't
look at the CHIPS's money. You look at them objects.
Now moment you look at him as money, get up
from the table.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Hey for for one, for one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Unless you make the kind of revenue and you have
disposable income, Yeah, shouldn't be gambling, no way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, unless you have disposable income. I don't care NFL players,
I don't care how much out if you got a
fifty eighty million dollar contract.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Your ass shouldn't be at no goddamn crap table or
playing backjack or no no ro tissery or none of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, what's the what's the one going the circle again?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
What it's called? That's roulette.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I'm about rotis about that's a that's a league. That's
a gambling league. But anyway, I know what you meant.
And plus the new thing now is Backarrock read the
field live his story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Few ivy famous. I know that name.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
I know he'll he'll a poker player.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I know his name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
But they went, they went, they went overseas him in
a a in a Chinese lady.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Yes, sir, read about that story. It's good or bad?
Uh uh? Well, he won, but they fought because the
lady could count cards. You can see the imperfections.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
But oh Joe, that gambling man is, oh Joe. Why
you think people be watching the game. You think they
really be liking these teams? Some people do. I got
fantasy and I got real money. You messing up my party.
That's why they call you the N word. That's why
it because then you suck. That's why they say you
worse than the Hitler. Bro you lost me my money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
What the hey?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
If you can't stand and lose your money, you don't bet,
you don't you don't bet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Where you suck man. I'm telling you, Joe, and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Hey, hey, hey, that's that's fascinating. It's fascinating hearing the stories,
it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
But I can't put myself in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Position to put my money where I have no control
over where that I win and lose.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
The house don't let you win. I'd have heard enough
horror stories that stay right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
You got to be able to see the thing, the how,
the reason why the house wins so much. They can
weather the storm because guess what, o Joe, if you
start winning too much, they'll ask you to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Okay, that's that's enough, mystery, that's enough, mister Johnson. No
what what you know? You think you? We think you have.
You've done enough for tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
The question is, when you win, can you get up
on your own leave because they don't usher you to
when you lose it, they don't ask you to leave.
Can you ask yourself to leave when you lose? When
you start, can you leave when you start to lose.
Listen this, o Joe, this is what happened. Excuse me,

(01:05:48):
this is what happens in the game and space.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yes, yeah, I mean hey, can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
How do you even I'm still stucking them off your
part because I understand how.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
That can end you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Put yo, You're not just putting your life in jeopardy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Everybody get close. They play for keys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Now, hey, man, I ain't got man who what you
know that there's a there's a certain excuse me, we
speaking of gambling. Now, excuse my lack of knowledge. I
might be wrong. The greatest player, the greatest basketball player
of all time. Yes, if I'm not mistaken, segregrated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
But okay, yeah, he's a big gambling Yes, yes, he
like yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Now if now you see where I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
I'm trying not to say it without saying it because
you lost someone very close to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Him, but everybody know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
But but the thing is, there are a lot of
people that lost because they chood next to him and
feel they got the gambling as much as him. Here
the logo, he ain't got to play no more basketball,
and he's still gonna get. He gonna get you know,
three hundred four hundred million, and he ain't you would
last time I could joint dribble the basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
But see, you do not understand what I'm saying. Didn't
he lose somebody closest to him?

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Yes, based on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, so you get where I'm going with it. Yes, Okay,
see how that's what the reports believe that it had
something to do with that exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Which is why I don't understand how Chauncey and Damon
and Terry would even Yo, you're part of who gambo who?

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Now I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
I can none of that information because at the minute
it don't go right, and you can't get to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
You're going to the next closest thing to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
I don't don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
So that's you know, and and and and reportedly the
n b A investigated Terry Rogier and clarity. That's the
problem that you got. Yeah, they investigated him last year.
Oh Joe, we briefly touched on bill and they cleared it.
Now you see why the NFL. See that's see, that's

(01:07:57):
why you can't do it, o Joe, because guess what
these gaming companies they want to be able to bet
with the NFL at MLB.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
So they're gonna turn in. Yeah, absolutely, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Gonna turn in because hold on, wait a minute, he's
just a guy, and why are we getting all these
problems bet coming in on him?

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
And he just oh no, they'll pull it off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
The board, man, please, goddamn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I look, in situations like this, O, you, you gotta
just take your medicine, and and and and and and
I just I hope it's not true. I look, I
don't really know. I don't really know anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
The FBI does not come and get you until they
have enough evidence to convict you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Well, I can hope, won't your damn you know, hope
the people in the people in hell hope they can
get some goddamn ice water.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Is it coming? Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
I I'm hoping, well, you know what, I'm hope with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I just I just you know, oh ya, I'm just saying,
in a situation like this, you don't think. You don't think,
oh ya, you know how we're wired. We think we're
invincible because think about oh yo, this was twenty twenty
three when this was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It's twenty five. Oh you dinver forgot about that. Oh no,
they don't forget about nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah you know, Oh Joe, you remember your grandma and
your mama said, Boma. My grandma said, by I'm gonna
tell your tailor when you get home about two three
hours go by. Oh she forgot about that. The next thing,
you know, she's shutting down on you. Why what what
so bad? I just boy, this is this is boy.

(01:09:51):
They're about to get They about to get real real
real right straight? But that but that no, but that's
that's the problem. That's why you see these fans when
when their team, what's the first thing they say, Man,
you messed up my parlt you messed.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Up my fantasy. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I'm not thinking
about your fantasy. I think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I lost us the game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Yeah, they were fantasy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
They worried about that money.

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