Best of Katt Williams

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I needed you to know why I came by.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I need you to tell us why people know I
don't go everywhere. I'm not interested in talking to people
unless it's like a Larry King or somebody of an
amazing ilk that I would actually want to go talk
to in real life. Okay, I don't do it so
I can sell product, and I got things to sell,
so let me come talk. You have a great product here,

(00:28):
and as a fan base, we love the attention that
you spend on the guest. We love how much work
you've done, how well you know them, how prepared you are,
the same things that we liked about you in football,
you brought that on over to here, and that's why
it resonates. And the reason I had to come is

(00:49):
because you've made a safe place for the truth to
be told.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
And I have watched all of these low brow comedians
come here and disrespect you in your face and tell
you straight up lies. I'm talking about things that have
never been heard in all of Black Hollywood. They feel
comfortable sitting here lying to you about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
You gonna sit the record straight?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Are you kidding me? You let Ricky Smiley sit here
and you said out that mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
You stole Friday after next, the one I was in.
I wish all all of America fumbled. Event when that happened,
And then he said some stuff that we hadn't heard
in one hundred years in Hollywood, you ain't say nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
This man told you he had Kat Williams role. He
was gonna be money Mike, and Kat Williams was gonna
be f was gonna mean the Santa Claus. Now, let's
three quick points. You mean in Hollywood they cast a
five foot five black Santa Claus that weigh one hundred
and forty five pounds. That's your story. Your story is

(01:58):
the Ricky Smiley that couldn't even do curse words because
he had a Christian fan base. He was gonna play
the pimp. Why you didn't ask him? Why has he
played a woman in more movies than he's played a man? Well,
I didn't know. He shouldn't be able. You wouldn't let
an athlete that been on steroids talk about one of

(02:18):
the greats. Ricky Smiley can't act, Because Ricky Smiley can't act.
He told you the story about when the movie came out.
Where did he say he watched it at home. He
wasn't even not the premiere. You telling this man, you
stole that all so he could get his name in
the same sentence with a great one. It is sad.

(02:40):
He was just that bitter when we were shooting it.
He told everybody it should have been my role, everybody
on the scene. Why do you think no cast member
has ever said anything?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
He couldn't have played that role like you. I thought
he was.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Sure no one? Why no, he was with KD. He
beat up Terry crews. Why nobody know this story you're
talking about? In Hollywood? They switched off rolls. You take
this and he what so Ricky Smiley knows this? And
I don't know why he would lose a child and
come on the air start lying. That's why people believe

(03:15):
in rituals, right there is because well why would he lie?
I don't know why liars lie. But I can tell
you this. We auditioned in Los Angeles. Yes, I was
audition number two hundred and one, two hundred black comedians
auditioned for the role of Money. Mike with me. You're
saying all two hundred and one of us was auditioning

(03:37):
and you had already had the role and had already
shot the role in four days. The truth of the
matter is the Money Mike in the original script got
raped in the bathroom, and that's what Ricky Smiley was
okay with. Kat Williams had to take the risk in
front of the studios and the cast and the powers

(03:58):
that be, And it's very first movie. As say, respectfully, humbly, guys,
if we talk about anything else, I have no credibility
and I have no pull. But we're talking about comedy
where I have all the credibility and all the pool.
The problem with Friday After Next is we're trying to

(04:20):
make a classic comedy and this comedy involves a rape,
and rape is never funny, no matter who it happens
to or what the circumstances are. If you would allow
me to allow us to do this movie without a
black man getting raped in it, I promise you that

(04:41):
it will be twice as funny as it would be
with him getting raped. So, considering that's the real story,
why would you bring up that story? Thirty five members
of the cast and crew have never brought up that
Ricky Smiley was gonna play Money Mike. No one ever

(05:01):
saw him be put on a Santa Claus suit. We
got a wardrobe department. They made a Santa Claus suit
for me. Why that wasn't in the bloopers. And here's
the other thing, everything that money Mike said, Kat Williams wrote,
So what Ricky Smiley say on his you can't say
my lines? I wrote him. That's how I already ready

(05:22):
know that I'm gonna be funnier than you. What he
told everybody was, Kat Williams, don't nobody know who he is.
I'm on the radio, I'm with Steven said, everybody know me.
That's what he told everybody that would listen to on
the set. That's the truth of the matter. He was
so egregious, not now then, he was so egregious that

(05:44):
in Hollywood has never heard this in one hundred years.
He was so egregious. I put in my contract that
I won't work with Ricky Smiley again unless he's in
a dress. Now, what was Ricky Smiley's next movie? Was
it First Sunday? Did he wear a dress in it?
You bet he did. It's in my contract.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Why would you put that in your in your contract?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Cat? That's where he's the unbelievable actor. Him and Tyler
Plarry can't play a man, let's say their life. They
played good women. And I believe that the best actor
should be in the best role.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
So that's why because when we released that clip and
he said that, you responded because he said he was
supposed to play money Mike and you were supposed to
play Santa.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Claus in our right line, so that he knows is a.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Lie, So why would he say it.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Because he's a liar. Nobody knows why liars lie. And
that's why I had to come on the program. Cedric
did the same thing. Sedric told you when you asked him,
did you steal Cat Williams joke? He said it don't
line up, Howard, don't line up that I did it
on TV in twenty eighteen. You came to see me
at the Comedy Store do it in twenty nineteen, and
then did it on The Kings of Comedy, Like what

(06:57):
doesn't line up? This is a televiso that Mark Curry
helped me punch up and get to the level that
it was the same Steve that went to go watch
Mark Curry do his whole sitcom and then stole everything
Mark Curry had. Now Steve got a sitcom where he
the principal and he wear a suit and he and

(07:19):
then he gets this high top fade, making all black
men think he got the best line up in the business.
And it's a man unit. Then you asked it, why
are you not a movie star? I didn't want to
be a movie star, Just the same micro that hated
on Bernie with this same thing. I didn't want to
be a movie star. No, you couldn't be a movie star.

(07:40):
There are thirty thousand new scripts in Hollywood every year.
Not one of them asked for a country bumpkin black
dude that can't talk good old bakaba and look like
mister potato head.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
There ain't none.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You would have to have range. I played a lot
of characters, sixty movie roles. I'm not playing Cat Williams
in there.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I don't know care. We might let you drink anymore
the way you you. I mean, we ain't even got
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Fuel by alcol I've had a sip less than you.
The truth don't need motivation. I'm just saying I can't
let these dudes lie. Cedric sitting here telling you why
he ain't a movie star. He already looked like a
wal Risch. You didn't say nothing. He can't even get
his arms off his stomach sitting on Why I'm not

(08:25):
a movie's what?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It's a situation.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
We never wrote anything.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Remember when Sedric the Entertainer starts, he's supposed to be singing,
dancing and telling jokes. That's why he's called the entertainer.
We found out he can't sing, can't dance, and doesn't
like the jobbles. He did four comedy specials. They're so bad, Shanning,
they're not available on Netflix or to B Can I
say that again for the audience. They're so bad that

(08:50):
they're not available on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Or to be You don't think they have a good
a good comedian.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
The world doesn't think that, sir, I have twelve comed
these specials. He has four specials that are not available
on Netflix or TV.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
It seems to me, Kat that you had a lot
to get off your chest.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
No, no, you wanted to say the Rector sty winners
are not allowed to allow losers to rewrite history. I
don't say any these things if my name is not
breached by these people on your platform, that if you
give them a liar a platform to lie. Then I'm

(09:31):
not being messy by saying hold on that never happened.
It's untrue, and there are hundreds of witnesses for each
thing I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
So let me ask you this, what are your relationship
with Steve Harvey, Ricky Smiley and said you did entertainer
as you sit here currently.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
They for thirty years. They're a group. These aren't three
random guys. The way that Ricky Smiley kept appearing that
all of my auditions is because of Steven saying he
would tell anybody that listen, they got a gang on
that side. They know what it is. They know who
the gang is. Why earthquake not in movies because he's illiterate.

(10:14):
He can't read, and they found that out when they
gave him a show and put the cards in front
of him. Like, all of these dudes are co entwined
and they share secrets. And this is the age of truth,
and the truth doesn't need to be scared of the
fact that people tell lies. Cats on drugs, where are
the stories? Why is there no story of anybody who

(10:37):
ever sold a drug to me, did a drug with me,
was around me when I was inebriated. I got five daughters,
I got five sons. Why would we tell these ridiculous
stories because it's competition. You feel like, well, why comedy
guys can't just get along? Why didn't you get along

(10:58):
with the other teams you were competing against? If you're
a Denver Bronco or why you don't get along with
the Cowboys? Something wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
But I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I don't know the cowboy.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Comedian?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Do you? Did you play against the team? Yes, I've
taken forty six comedians with me on the road. Forty six. Okay,
I'm not the comedian. You can give that to. I
only put on comedians that are funnier than me. Anybody
that ever told you differently was a fat Faison liar.

(11:30):
There's nobody like me in the business. Faison said that
getting a Netflix special is easy. I have twelve specials.
Guess how many Faison got zero? Why is he allowed
to have conversations about real stand up people. We do

(11:51):
not let people who are on the juice discuss real athletes.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
As a journalist, that's all. That's all I'm saying. I
don't have harbor any resentment to any of these entities
because I can't be jealous. I've never seen them have
anything that I ever wanted. If you sign up for
their program, you get a light skinned, weird face wife

(12:17):
that never do an interview. Listen, in twenty years, won't
do an interview. Nobody's ever talked to her, and that
she's never been interviewed anywhere. And now understand, I'm not
talking about one person. When I just told you, applies
to seven people. How they all end up with that,
that's part of what you get. I came in this

(12:40):
business saying I was gonna expose when I talked about
Michael Jackson, when I talked about r Kelly. They canceled
me for these things because why would you talk about
another black dude. Race is not where the line is drawn.
It's God's side and the other side, and we don't
care nothing about the other side, period period. All of

(13:04):
these big deviance is all catching hell in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's up for all of them.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It don't matter if you Diddy or whoever you is, TGJS,
any of them. Every all lies will be exposed, that's all.
And anyone who takes that the wrong way know why
they take it the wrong way. The truth is the light.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
And you have no more these amen? Amen kind of
getting on here right after that, I don't really kind
of know where to go. Lit me one more time?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
We good now? Because the people want to know why
would he get black balled?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Because because because in thirty years I've done nothing but
collect information, knowledge, and you no secrets. So if you
and a man was in a corner doing something you
wasn't supposed to be doing, you tell it. No, somebody
come to tell me, Okay, I gather that I value that,

(14:12):
I'll pay for that. Come tell me.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know so many things I shouldn't know, and they
all know it. They all know it. Why because you don't.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Make me the villain, not the guy that raises black
children and the ain't never done a hard drug in
his life and don't have no stories of doing nobody dirty,
And they'll just go out in their lie. The industry
doesn't mess with Kat because he didn't show up for
the studio. No studios have ever said that. Look at
my IMDb. It will show you that no studio has

(14:42):
ever lost money with me on the script. How That's
why I'm saying, That's why I can't let Ricky Smiley
say he was supposed to play Money Mike because I
wrote the words for Money Mike. I designed the hair
for Money Mike. I collaborated with the wardrobe department and
made outfits to make sure that no no one in
America would be wearing what Money Mike was wearing. I

(15:03):
told him to go get the prowler. I then told
him to paint it purple. I told him, don't have
an actor at playing a pimp. We could get an
actual pimp, Archbishop Magic don Juan to play like. I
did far too much work for somebody to come years
later and try to tag along just for their own self.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Agrandizement.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Why didn't Q set the reconstrate?

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Terry Crews could have set the record strate, Mike Emms
could have set the record strate?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Why none of them set the records?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Grat that's what you were supposed to ask him when
he told you those lies that that one's right. But
he's telling you something no one's ever heard of. Nobody
has ever heard. Oh, Matt ben Affleck and Matt Damon
was in a movie and somebody said y'all should switch
rolls like this is a business.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
But that's the thing can Normally, when people will give
you information, I'm thinking I'm hearing it for the first time,
and they're giving information no one else knows or I've
ever heard, so I'm taking them face value.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
These are a lot. This is like Steve Harvey telling
people he used to be homeless. That's my story, that's
not his story. Steve Harvey wasn't never homeless. When Mark
Curry was touring with him twenty five years ago. He
was making three thousand dollars a show in cash and
doing five shows a week. They just tell the stories.

(16:21):
My thanks to my wife, I'm where I am. You
said that about the first wife. You forget that you
told us it was her, then you went and married
somebody else that think like a man, like what are
you talking about? They just they think they can rewrite history.
That guy Tori did a beautiful special about the Comedy
Store in Fat Tuesday, where he said that Steve and

(16:42):
Cedric and Kevin Hart and Tiffany hadih came through there
and made all lies. Steven Cedric never performed at the
Comedy Store at all. Tiffany was only seen at the
Lab Factory in fifteen years in Hollywood, no one in
Hollywood has a memory of going to sold out Kevin
Hart show there being a line for him ever getting

(17:03):
a standing ovation at any comedy club. He already had
his deals when he got here. Have we heard of
a comedian that came to LA and in his first
year in LA he had his own sitcom on network
television and had his own movie called Soul Plane that
he was leading. No, we've never heard of that before
that person or since that person. What do you think

(17:25):
a plant is? Maybe people don't understand the definitions of
these words. He just did his documentary with Chris Rock
where he shows you that his whole upbringing in comedy
was on the East Coast. So how simultaneously was he

(17:45):
here in Los Angeles doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
It didn't happen. It didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I hate to seem like a petty individual for
picking apart lies, but Jesse Smowlegna, keep lying until you
say we don't believe you, like it's important in the
checks and balances of the universe that liars not get
to make complete narratives for themselves.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Are you not afraid about being blackballed? Again? These are
some power people.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Do you mean again, these people are not powerful. Satan
can't create anything that includes blessings for his people.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know what the number one job of somebody that
saw their soul in Hollywood is. It is to act
like it didn't happen. They all do the same job.
Why do you think Gary Owen can't cross over? And
he already white and been in comedy for twenty five years.
If what I say ain't the case, it's a cabal,

(18:46):
it's a consortium. They rock with who they rock with,
and they don't with who they don't. But I'm not
scared of being the competition anymore than you were when
you lined up across from a superior team. Yeah, on paper,
they're a better team. They have all the assets and
resources that we don't. But let us get on the line,

(19:07):
boy boy, and see if that factors in. I guarantee
you it won't wow. Because Shannon Sharp got to be
a different person than that other person, and he always was.
That doesn't change when I change teams. That remains the same.
That's how a legacy is built. So all of these
shortcut takers I was, they've canceled me for talking about

(19:31):
Harvey Weinstein before the thing came out, but he offered
to suck my penis in front of all my people
at my agency. What am I supposed to do? He
did all of that. I'm thinking, I'm the only black
person on the script. I get there, it's three other
black guys on there.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Whoa huh?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I told him, no, what y'all do? And this is
why when I walk in the room, heads go down
behind my I'm nothing. I'm just a regular old comedian.
That's better in jealous but in my face. No, no, no,
the king has walked in and they have to respect it.

(20:10):
Only because I'm not taken the shortcuts. I've not been funded.
They pay you to not talk about things they don't
want you to talk about. They tell you that themselves.
I can't do that. Because Steve told you that he
stopped doing stand up because he has seven TV shows.
The only problem is where he stopped stand up. He

(20:30):
didn't have those seven TV shows. He stopped stand up
because he got in a comedy battle called the Championship
of Stand Up Comedy with one Cat Williams in Detroit
in front of ten thousand people and lost because Cat
Williams said he was actually bald and that was a
wig and I went in and that's why he couldn't
do stand up anymore. Imagine him coming to tell you

(20:53):
another story where he got so big and it was
burning them's fault because they wanted to be movie stars.
What you called ocean eleven to get that Nigga's part?
What do you mean you didn't want to be a
movie star? So on the behalf of Bernie, I would

(21:15):
have to say what I have to say?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Have you ever been on tour with any of these guys?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Every guy I mentioned to you is not funny out
there in real life. No, No, Faison's never done his
own tour in thirty years. Steve Harvey don't do stand
up no more. Cedric doesn't write. I'm sorry he doesn't write.
Ricky Smiley has been playing the same old black woman forever,

(21:45):
like you can't get a young fan base with that,
Like you gotta be doing karaoke around the country to
make that work. And he is. But I'm a stand
up comedian. This is my nineteenth one hundred city tour.
I'm not gonna have a conversation with these lazy bums

(22:07):
that will take a shortcut at any point. Yes, it's
easier for you to juice than to get in the gym.
But you don't get to bring that body in the
here talking.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Crazy about how good you look. What.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
No, no, there's too many comics out there that are
put in their life on the line to tell these jokes.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Man, Okay, let's get to your upbringing. We're gonna circle
back and we just I want.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
To protect them real quick.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Because you had said for the Kings of Comedy, it
was in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, But did you mean
nineteen ninety nine, because it came out in two thousands.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I just want to make no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So what I meant to say was, remember he said
I couldn't do stand up anymore. I had seven TV shows.
I said, he didn't have any of those TV shows
at the time. Okay, nte, But it came out in
two thousand. So I just want to make sure, okay, no, no,

(23:02):
no, no no, what comes out in.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Two thousand, the original Kings of Comedy?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Right my, I'm on BET's Comic View and they're using
this as the commercial in nineteen ninety eight. That's why
I'm saying, yeah, so if I yeah, so, if I
said the date's wrong. Yeah, so let's go clear though.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Okay, you said, yeah, I had Cedric on here and
I asked him about the joke stealing, and he said
the timeline doesn't add up.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Correct to your to that point, you say, right.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So he thought that I was just a no name
comedian and that he could take this joke and nobody
would know. The issue was that I had already done
this particular joke on BT's Comic View twice. It had
done so well on BT's Comic View that they had
made it part of the commercial. So part of the

(23:54):
commercial of make Sure you tune in the BT was
you seeing me doing this joke. And this joke is
one of those jokes in comedy where you set it
up and it takes a little longer to set it up,
takes about three minutes, but then you're just hitting them
with jokes after that because you don't have to set
it up. Mark Curry had already helped me work on
this joke because I thought it was good, because I

(24:16):
was getting a standing ovation on it. He had me
go back in the lab and helped me craft it
to be an even more powerful joke. So this is
not just a random joke. This is my very best joke,
and it's my last joke, and it's my closing joke. Okay,
nineteen ninety eight, I'm doing this joke. It's on Comic View.

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Cedric comes to the comedy store, He watches me in
the audience, He comes backstage, he tells me what a
great job I did and how much he loves the joke.
Two years later, he's doing that as his last joke
on the Kings of Comedy, and he's doing it verbatim.
He's just changed my car into a spaceship. Him and

(25:01):
Steve had already apologized for me. So I gave him
a pass for a decade. Why would you sit here
and be like I talked to I saw cat thirty times.
The cat didn't do as I stand before you, Shannon,
I would a bust Cedric's stomach. There was nothing that

(25:26):
would have kept me from one of these in that
patch right there, Like, are you kidding me? Why would
you downplay me like that? Why did I give you
a pass if you were just gonna lie? And so
that's what I'm saying, Like they're all a group, Cedric, Steve, Ricky,
They've been a group. Everybody knows that they've been aligned,

(25:46):
and there are these alliances in comedy, and if you
stand against them, then they sometimes have a problem. But
we don't let that change the content, because that's all
you know me for is that I'm quite likely to
tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
So help me God.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Like all my enemies all look the same in the eyes,
whether it's faise On Wanda Aria Spears, they all look.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Like And what you got to get sight? You think.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't rumor that Sir Wander Sights and Wanda Smith
are two separate people. I had only one name, Sir.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Wonder Sights amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I love Wanda and I agree, I.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Love wad That's my girl.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
But I remember on the radio, you went on a
radio interview, if I'm not mistake, that's in Atlanta, right,
and you came on there with seemingly good intention and
she attacked you.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It wasn't just that part.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was the fact that before I go in there,
she has a conversation about Okay, now, I just want
to talk to you because you just wanted Emmy for
the city of Atlanta, and this isn't Atlanta, and they
just want to hear about the Emmy and hear from you,
and to thank you for what you did putting the
city on. And we won't talk talk about your kids,

(27:01):
we won't talk about jail, no cases, we ain't gonna
talk about none of that. And immediately gets in there
and goes the opposite way. You can't flip up on
me because you're an inferior comedian. I'm going to destroy you,
and I'm never gonna call you out of your name.
I'm never gonna say anything disrespectful the people that look
like you. It's a very thin line. I got a call,

(27:23):
but this lady is trying to embarrass me in front
of a largely homosexual fan base. That's why she got canceled.
Gay people don't take it kindly that you would as
a derogatory call me gay. Gay people don't feel like
it's derogatory. So why are you trying to shame me

(27:44):
with something in the community I don't even belong in.
There's no gay people saying I belong over there or
been over there. But I have no hatred of over there.
And how dare you.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You did though, Hey, you did a numb on that's legendary.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
No believe in carma or you don't, because I didn't
even know any of the stuff that she had done
to my fellow comedians until afterwards. I just know she
that it was a setup. Right, And remember they they
tried to kill me this same weekend, not in jokes,

(28:20):
with a real gun, in my real face, on real camera. Understand,
I'm losing my life for participating in something that goes
along with my job like this, two comedians, what do
you mean? And the world was okay with it because
it was me. Had that happened to anyone else, the
world went crazy when Will Smack smacked Chris.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
This is a person pulling a.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Whole gun on a comedian in the confines of their job.
It's really a weird situation when they hate you that bad.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, you felt she hated you at that moment
because you mentioned that she said he was going to
be very professional. All you want to enmy congratulations, You
put the city on you own for the city, YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
And now did she mention anything about the Emmy on camera?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I believe you saw the video and you know that
none of that took place. See that. The issue is
that all the comedians have to come do these radio
stations because you have to sell your tickets, and so
that means you have to go to the radio. Yes,
I don't go to the radio station, and I don't

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make posts to sell tickets.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I just don't. So you've not seen me.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I haven't. I'm not here in some subservient positions where
somebody sent me over.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
You hear out of the countis of your heart?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You are no, no, I'm saying, but in the interview, yes, yes,
situations yeah sure, yeah, and this person knew I wasn't
the for that or yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
But how hard because you have to understand she is
a female and so you have to be careful.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
You have to handle her with kid gloves.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Sir, sir, you want to go ahead and take that out.
You don't want to be against equality, dude. What you
just said was very unequal, sir, But you think maybe
you've had enough.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
For this.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Because I think I just heard you saying, but tell
you that women are not equal and should be treated unequally.
They want to be treated me as a comedian.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
No, no, they want listen, you understand, and I understand
in certain situations they want to be treated equal not
all situations.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And and what part of what you saw her get
what part would have been different? If she was a man,
it would have just been more.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I took all the vicious and bent them a wigh
because I didn't have any. Plus, I understood, I'm not
trying to offend black women with short hair. I'm not
trying to offend heavyset women. I'm not trying to upset
fellow comedians. I'm not trying to do any of that,
and I can't. I am qualified to be able to

(31:24):
do none of that and still eviscerate you because I'm
smart enough to know that I need to say that
you have gnarled fingers, because I know your limited education
means you don't know what the word means, so you
can't possibly respond to it. You're not sure of the meaning.
And I'm going to continue hitting you because this is
what comedians do. You've been masquerating that you're a comedian too,

(31:48):
and that's the fallacy. Nobody in boxing fights out of
their weight class. If you're a one hundred and thirty pounder,
you don't just show up with the one sixty pounders.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Stay in your weight class.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Is that what you wanted to do? That she was
out of her league when it came to because I.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Didn't want to do any of it.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I know you didn't want it to do it, but
what she took it there? Did you feel that you
had to go there? Oh?

Speaker 5 (32:14):
You could have say, Wanda, I didn't come here for that.
I just want to do the interview. I just want
to talk about what happened.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh, you misunderstand my job. My job is to be funny. Haha.
My job is to be funny first. My first job
is to be funny. My second job is to be respectful.
My third job is to be immaculate and gaza strip it. Uh,
that's non political. I'm saying. If you do it, you

(32:42):
let a terrorist accidentally touch over here, and I won't
stop burning you down until there ain't nothing left. It'll
literally be rubble on top of rubble and I'll still
be bombing. Why, Because that's why you should mind your business.
This is what f around and find out it's about.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Right now, I'm reading.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Cat Williams won Entertainers and How's a Bush? The Best
Los Angeles Comic Award? Did you win that?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Award?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Won? Cat Williams. It's a simple yes or no. It's
not a rhetorical question.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's a question that probably should have been asked to entertainer.
I'm asking you, I got you here, though I know
I couldn't believe Center didn't get asked that question. You
still a.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Dude's joking to give him a reward and then tell
him laying you don't know nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Hey, but I promise you this, What if he sees
me again before he sees you, he'll be talking different
when you see it. That's for certain. That's the difference.
That's what these comics understand is that I'm not doing
nothing for Cloud. I don't even recognize Cloud. But eventually
the Lord is gonna let me and you be in

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one hallway.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
A lot of these dudes go.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Kevin Harden went twenty five years without ever being in
the same building with me at the same time.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
If I go in the building, he walk out.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
You've never seen us in the same building ever in
twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Like it's like that.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Why Why? Because I'm really the product. It's not what
you think. I am never under the influence of anything.
I'm always in my right mind. I'm always a physical specimen.
And when you see me, I'm much much bigger than
you had thought. I have far less play in me

(34:49):
than you would like. And I'm relentless. I'm out there.
I'm still to this day, I play eleven games of
basketball with a twenty year old. The record is ninety
two and six. This is just in New York. Just
to the rack.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Just because you work out, can yah? I mean no,
you work out.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Can't not to the gym.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
You don't work out the gym. You push up sit ups.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
My whole life it was, it was just push ups
and setups only. I would do like.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
One hundred push ups a day.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Just I thought you was gonna say a thousand.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No, no, no, because this is literally every day. This
is not for the yeah, for the gram, you know
what I mean, like literally one hundred a day. And
I would do push ups and then I tore both
my rotator cuffs and so it was only thanks to
golf that I was even able to get mine. I've
been a golfer for quite some time. My shore game

(35:44):
is impeccable. I can't get you, but but too and
some change off of the tee, off the tee. But
I'm still I'm I'm still coming in for par guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Are you playing for the tips?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
No, I've found that you don't get anything for that.
It seems like this seems very ego monologal. They go, hey,
cat for free, you can go further back there. Why wait,
minut does it still counsel sing, Hey, I'm up at
the Ladies State, don't tell me my pronounce on the

(36:20):
golf course? She him?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Damn man, they whoever, whoever at the front.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Team We're I know, we're joking. We're having great conversation.
But you did win the award. How did the ward
help your career? It had to him some cat.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Nope, No, I didn't remember it happened to you just
said it set. How can Sedri give you an award
that would work something? Everything Sedric and Ricky Smiley ever
been in got canceled for not being funny. Ricky Sahir
told you that they cut him out of every movie
he did. They always had a reason. That's why I'm funny,

(37:05):
because I'm a happy person. I laugh all day long.
I can't even imagine the misery of these bumps. Just
to not be good at what you do, not work hard,
at what you do, but have to like you the
best at what you do. It is crazy, it's great.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
But they be touring, they be doing like a hundred
shows a year.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's me. I don't run into none of them. That's
what I'm saying. If you a phase our love fan,
you mean you've been a fan of him for thirty
two years. You still waiting on him to do his
first special? You mean to tell me if Steve Harry
your favorite comedy, you mean you've been waiting for him
to do stand up for fifteen years now?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, Steve got a lot of D d L
still out there.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
None of those irons matter to stand up? Who cares
that they wrote a black card for you to do?
Family feud on like you're you're successful, because we're surprised
you can talk for a living, and it's entertaining that
you're gonna say some funny country things.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
But not a writer, right, not a writer.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Now. I've had to turn down fifty million dollars four times,
four times just to protect my integrity and that virgin
hole I was telling you about it, right, because he
didny be wanting a party and you gotta tell him no,
you got to tell him, no, I did. I did. See.
I got the receipts for everything. I'm telling you. That's

(38:36):
why I'm here get your thank you because early on
you was accusing me.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Then I can't.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
When you got in to stand up, was crossing over,
was doing TV? Was doing movie?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Was that?

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Was that a part of it? You're like, okay, I'm gona,
I'm doing stand up. Okay, next next, the next progression is.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
T movies throughout throughout the history of stand up, sir.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
That's that's the goal for all of us.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's how it goes. That's why when you hear these
dudes talking about, oh, I didn't want to be a
movie star, you just know it's disingenuous, like we talking
about dude. Yeah old, no, Now, I just wanted to
do a game.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Show, right, What.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You sure? Are you sure? Cause? I thought you did
Mark Curry's show over after he had just done Hanging
with mister Cooper. Why would you do all of that
man stuff that he did on his show on yours
and didn't do the dude stand up When you go
on the road.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
And then you never put Mark Curry on your show
or nothing like if you don't say anything, these dudes
will run over you.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I don't know if you know how bullies operate. If
you don't stand up for yourself, there really is nothing
they won't do.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
You're a very generous man, cat you You were the
sole sponsor of Melburne Moore getting star in the Hollywood
Walk of Fame. You did all that on your own.
Why what do you have a personal relationship with Melbourne?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
No? No, I understood that she was a black woman
in a time where it mattered what you look like,
and they had a certain thing that they needed you
to look like and act like in order to be successful.
And she just never did that. She wasn't tall enough,

(40:33):
she wasn't fine. They didn't like her look, they didn't
like that her hair was natural. They talked crazy about her,
and yet she still made all of these achievements. And
I'm like, understand, I'm already in the Comedy Hall of Fame.
I'm already going to heaven no matter what happens, if

(40:55):
it ends in a second, I'm up there. So give
me the leadway to do some things that are simply
because it's the right thing to do. So the truth
of the matter, is they wanted to give me a star,
but please don't consider me. And this person been sitting

(41:16):
on this list this whole time, and just because they
ain't got enough money they can't get they just do.
That's crazy. When do you start? That's hurtful. What if
somebody can't afford their flowers? You mean they don't get them? No, God,
Tom operate like that. He was sending a dummy like
me to come and take care of that, just so
that the right thing happens.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
That's how the universe work.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Because remember, I don't what I'm spending my money on.
I'm not spending my money on strippers. I ain't spending
them on drugs. Like what? Because if I go on,
if I go in to strip club, I'm only trying
to get her out of there. I have no intention
of her or any other people being in this position.
If I see a girl I like, get the strip club.

(42:01):
I'm telling it. You know you don't have to strip
no more after this?

Speaker 1 (42:05):
This could be your last day.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
How about that? What would it be like just to
leave it all?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
You ain't gotta be a don't no more.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I don't even want you to go get your first
leave it and we get a new I D, we
get a new ID in credit.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Social Security card.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
We don't need none of that. This life don't look
good on you. You don't even look like a drug. Got
here these athletes talking about Yeah, we was out there tricking.
What why? You're part of the problem. You're part of
the problem. Stop paying people that you don't have no

(42:46):
respect for. It sets it up bad for us. We
got women out here can't find a man because they're
acting like him. You an outpa. Now, the our alphas
all want these subservient husbands.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You can't have one.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It ain't gonna happen. Sorry about that. Okay, go ahead, boy,
you done got me canceled? How many times in this program?
Where's the camera? I didn't write nothing, I said tonight.
It's all been on these Q cards and keep reading.
Ask your next questions?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Do you have them? Get out of financial situation?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I don't think we ever as a nation, can remember
a time that the Amigos were financially unsuccessful. So for
the record, I would assume that they've never needed Kat
William's financial assistance for anything. I'm sure that between QC,
the label, and other things, they were taken care of.
On the other hand, if I was given the opportunity

(44:02):
to help them what I of course I would. That's
what I do. I'm I'm a pro black, non racist,
Like I really really love black people, but I don't
love them more than other people. I love everybody. I
just I'm a black guy, and I try to stick
with that. But yeah, I'm not one of those pillow

(44:24):
talkers either, Like when I do something good, I'm really
not doing it for the ground it's it's not for
it's not for any of that. I'm just doing it
because it's good to do.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I appreciate that I read.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
I don't know if this is true, but I did
read that comedians on your show say that women sometimes
would bring them money and not say where it came from.
Say that again, comedians would say women would bring them
money and not say where it came from.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Right. So, I'm not a feminist like a feminist would be.
But I do believe that there are no there that
in my camp, Like if I had thirty five people
in my camp, right, I believe that other than four jobs,
I believe that a woman is better at any of

(45:18):
them jobs than any man could be. So ten of
these jobs, no man can work because I'd rather a
female be there. If I got to smell anybody's breath,
I want it to be hers. I don't want none
of you, Krusty. So what I'm saying is, in a
staffing issue, I'm gonna have seventy five percent women just

(45:39):
because I prefer them. I don't prefer to hear two
guys talking in the corner. I prefer to hear two
ladies talking in the corner. I don't care what they're
talking about. I just prefer that. So a lot of
times I will utilize ladies to convey a message. If
a comedian is doing a great job somewhere in the country,

(45:59):
he just did a masterful set, and nobody's gonna pay him.
They just clapping me, and I know he's broke as
shit back there. Wouldn't it be nice if somebody just
showed up and gave him a little blessing and he
didn't have to suck me off for it, and thanks kat,
this boy, I really needed it. Why would you do that?

(46:25):
If you was actually just trying to help people, you
would people know That's how I paid my ties. If
I got paid one hundred thousand dollars to be at
your city. I'm gonna take ten thousand of that and
put it in your homeless area now, because I got
to cause you gave me a hundred racks to come
to your little RinkyDink town. Who would I be to
not pay my times back to your town? That's how

(46:48):
I got in this position.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Wow, you adopted seven kids. Why, that's a lot of
kids for a man that's as busy as you are,
travels as much as you do on the road, as
much as you are, spend a lot of time because
you have to spend a lot. I mean, it's not easy.
I mean maybe it comes just so comes so natural

(47:13):
to you to put pen the paper and to write
things down and be able to go out there and
perform a set.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
But that's a lot of responsibility.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Cat, right, right, But if there was a god, what
would he think about you if you did that? I'm saying,
let's just let's say, for example, okay, that God is real, yes, okay,
and let's say he'd be looking at what you do. Yes, Well,

(47:41):
what he say if you did that?

Speaker 3 (47:43):
He said that?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Cat, that's that's a very that's a very kind gesture.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
That's very jealous of you.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
My whole life. Since I was telling you when I
was young and they was asking me what I wanted
to be, and nothing I wanted to be as I
wanted to be God's friend. That's a weird thing. If
you ate this, if you ate this, I didn't even
say nothing. But if you believe in God and I
tell you that I wanted to be God's friend and
I wanted to even go to Hollywood and still be

(48:12):
God's friend, if I told you that that was my aim,
you can understand where I'm at. Like I promise you
no jealousy, no bitterness, or none of that. I got
exactly what I was trying to get. I haven't been
shortened in any way.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I mean, seven eight kids single, you're gonna get married.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
You remember the conversation where I was where it was me, yes,
and I didn't know what was gonna happen to my
two little brothers, and it was just gonna be out there.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
So when it gone full circle and I'm one of those,
I'm one of the richest men that ever lived. And
don't don't I don't mean please don't look at my
net worth. I saw my net worth. I had that
on me.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I won of God.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
What I'm saying is like I'm saying, my network is
less than my last Netflix. There, you understand what I'm
telling makes sense. But I'm fine. Jesus was poor. Jesus
had nothing, So why don't we be mad? You say

(49:31):
I don't have nothing?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
They had the minutes they have back then. Okay again,
we got different minutes now, not.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
More than gold. Gold was the amenity of that time.
We still got gold. The coldstill run it.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
They they gotta you could buy, you can buy ass.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
That's what they call it. The biblical time. They were cheap.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I'm saying, if you really ones say, I'm saying, a
color now is cheap. So back in the day, I
would get my girl a donkey. Today would get her
a color now. But I'm saying whoever, I'm saying whoever
and whatever it is I'm saying, I'm saying, because what
we gonna do. I don I already told you I'm
want of the richest people that ever lived, only in

(50:20):
the fact that when I wake up in the morning,
no matter where I am, I don't need nothing. Whatever
I need is right around me, and whatever I don't have,
it's only just because I don't have it. It's not
because I can't get it. All I gotta do is
want it and it belongs to me. So because of that,
because I'm favored by God. Like when I see people's

(50:41):
wives and stuff, I don't even look at them, you
know what I mean, Like, I don't want to look
at nothing I don't want to have because I know
how blessed I am. If I look at it, I
got it. That's how did he be feeling.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
So you're not supposed to look at anything that.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
You don't want, not me personally, just because God has
given me literally everything I ever even pump faked like
I want. And that's the whole thing. That's that's the
whole thing is I don't I don't have a type
of woman. Every woman that I ever had as a type,
I ended up getting her.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Now she's not the type anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Now I understand that every woman is a one of one,
Like you can't really have types. M what Because you
see how you trying to ask you about marriage? Yeah
you did. When you rewind the table, you let it out.
You was like, so you ever gonna get married? And

(51:45):
then you took it back. It's Okay, it's okay. I
wasn't as a philographic memory, are you. I'm not against it.
Like most people that are not married, it's because they're
afraid of commitment.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
It's not that like that.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
For me.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
It's just the whole time I wanted to be married,
I I had kids, so I had to try to
fill my wife's place before she got there. So I've
already got kids without a mother. But so now I
gotta be doing laundry, I'm washing dishes, I'm reading stories,
I'm having a nurture. I'm having to do all of this.

(52:16):
And I got to the point where I didn't need
the wife. I'm doing it and we're doing it, and
I'm not replacing a woman in their lives. I'm letting
them see that that's just the only.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Thing that we don't have.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And it was easier for me to do that because
you have to understand that all of the kids I'm
raising at this point, they have fathers. You see, they
have a mother.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
You see.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm a different person I'm raising you, and so that
needs to be done with the other respect for the
others that put work in as well. So, yeah, I
never had a problem getting married.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
What's one of the one things you try to teach
your kids.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I don't teach anybody anything that's over eighteen. I've done
the work I was going to do. But as kids,
I really just tried to teach the things that can
be bought, your integrity, trying to live your life in
a way that you yourself could be proud of if you

(53:27):
had to look back on it. And I didn't do
very good at leading by example, but behind the scenes,
I was that's never what I was pushing. They understood
that because of my stance, there was a certain thing

(53:48):
that would come my way, and so accountability and responsibility
is part of what you're teaching, is that you know,
even if you're doing the greatest thing in the world,
there's this thing called no good deed, Gods unpunished, Like
there's a real Murphy's law. Like basically, in raising kids,

(54:08):
you're just trying to give them a better manual and
an outline of how life works. Then your parents gave you,
you know, and so that's how I did it.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
What do you think about Kanye rant? What's going on
with Kanye?

Speaker 5 (54:27):
From a distance, obviously I don't know how well you
know Kanye I don't know if you've been around Kanye,
but from a distance, what do you suspects going on?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I suspect that we're pretty awful people. If we say
that somebody got a mental illness and then we watch
what they do. If you say somebody got special needs,
then why would you be watching them and holding them
accountable like everybody else? Wouldn't you grade them on a

(54:59):
curve when you go who this guy? Because I mean,
what are we reacting to? What are we're reacting to?
You're the one that put him in a position where
he thought he was God and could call himself yeasels?
And you're the one told the guy that writes musical

(55:20):
lyrics that he was a genius. You're the one that's like,
so what do you expect? The guy married a whore like
I didn't mean it like that, I mean married her
because she was one. Now, he didn't know, he understood that,
he wanted that, he corded that that's what he wanted.

(55:43):
The basis, I.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Know what you're gonna say, don't you say a cat?
Don't you say it?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
What I'm saying is not correct? How does she end
up with Pete Davidson?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I mean the half of Voltata.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And what if you weren't even good enough for Pete
and he leaves, you would do that? Mean the product
was No. I don't support or villainize Kanye because I
don't understand what it is we want from him. I
don't know why we look at a basketball player and
say he didn't score no hockey goals this whole season.

(56:24):
He don't play hockey. Kanye, don't say nothing. I can't
agree with Okay. I he was the weird guy in
the beginning with the pink sweaters when we met him, like,
what do you think moving to a beat of your own?
Drop this? This dude started a church and kept cussing.

(56:48):
Nobody in black church said nothing. You would have thought
all the pastors would have came up. You can't be
no gospel artists. You just said, fuck that bitch. Nobody
said nothing because J's over there with being in it.
Only the guy you had here has been upfront and
honest and a man of God and humble and took

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the l's he had to take and didn't.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I did see it was trending, though, But I ain't. No,
I don't, I don't. I ain't no way I care.
I don't let me go to this question.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
All people that love the truth gotta be happy if
the truth coming out and livees is getting exposed, that's
just what time it is.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Four folks, do you consider yourself a king of comedy?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
They consider that like like when after Bernie left them,
same three guys. I'm telling you about the kings. Yeah, right,
because d L is the greatest. The no d L
slander gets tolerated. But they came to me. I was
supposed to be the fourth king. I got the offer.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
What about I.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Turned it down? Why because you shit on Bernie and
I know the truth.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
You think I'm you shit on Bernie and then come
get me, I'm the next king?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Fuck you? Why because the whole time Bernie was here,
you was acting like you was funnier than him. The
reason you were supposed to go last is because it
was your tour. Tell the truth. It was Steam's tour.
Now it was gonna be called the King's Comedy. Was
Steam's tour. These are the guys opening for him. Of
course you got a close if it's your tour, that's

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why it was such a big deal. But you couldn't
do it because you can't beat the best. And until
you humble on yourself, you will forever be kinged by
the king. And because you finally did it, because you
didn't have no other choice. And now that he gone,
you go ahead like he wanted to be a movie star.
You stop it, You stop it. That man was funnier

(58:47):
than all of y'all, and y'all thought y'all had one
over on him. You thought he was black and ugly
and you were good looking it. He couldn't make it
cause you did, And that ain't the way comedy worked.
Is the funniest period, every time. And that's why no
audience member was ever swayed. It didn't matter where Bernie went.

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You think if Bernie went first, he wasn't the king.
Get out of here, Get out of here, Get your
ego out of this.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
You let the best be the best, right.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Can't wait?

Speaker 5 (59:23):
You ladies and gentlemen, Thanks for coming on, bro, I
really appreciate that. Thanks for sharing them. Thank you the
stories setting the record straight. Now you know they're gonna
double back.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Impossible. Impossible only because if once you play this back,
you'll realize I didn't say anything that made me look
in a good light. I wasn't tearing down others to
boost myself up, but I do have to acknowledge things
that did not take place. Like we're very ingenuous if

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we say this is not a game and we don't
play it, and people ain't in positions, and people don't
have their favorites, and they group and they clicking. But
that happens at all businesses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
No, no, say.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
What side you on, Say why you don't like the
other side, and then get to the game. But in
the game, I'm wiping the field with him to the
point where they don't even compete anymore. So how you
gonna let a dude that have been on the bench
for fifteen years I would have beat Jordan's ass. Shut up.

(01:00:26):
Jordan is still alive. We're called Jordan right now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
You can't meet him now, not then, you can't meet
him now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Let's get to your upbringing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Born in Cincinnati, Ohio, raised in Dayton, Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
What was Cat Williams's upbringing?

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Like your parents with Jehova Awitness, you were a prodigy,
You were brilliant. You talk to me that you got
accepted the college at seven years of age.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You can read fluently at three years of age.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
So having that kind of knowledge, having that kind of
of of prodigy or so what was so I mean
with it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
What was your upbringing? How? How was it? How was
life as kat Williams crunk coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I I I was often confused because I knew things
and I wasn't sure how I knew them. I knew
things that I felt like, I don't have a reason
that I k I know this, But I I loved
to read. I was voracious because they told me when

(01:01:33):
I was young that knowledge was powerful. Uh, that knowledge
was power, and I had studied powerful people, and I
I really believe that. I I immediately my next project
was to read the whole encyclopedia set. So when you're
like six seven years old, you read the whole encyclopedia set,
you think you one of the smartest people in the world,

(01:01:55):
only to get out in the world and find out
you don't know anything. You know. So it was a
confusing time. But yeah, I had a childhood. I was grown.
But I at five years old, I was in front
of five ten thousand people, given a performance with a
full suit and tie on, you know what I mean?

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So it hasn't it had it came full circle for
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
The applause and the giving of information and laughs and
truth to people somehow benefited them and also benefited you.
And yeah, so when they would ask me what I
wanted to be, everything that I would say that I
wanted to be was something that didn't exist, and they

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would never give me credit for it because I needed
to say a doctor or a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
But that's not what I wanted to be.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
So your parents weren't as supportive as you would have
hoped because you were wanting to be things when you
got older that they had no knowledge of or it
didn't exist at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
No, it wasn't that. It was I'm saying, I'm I'm
almost one hundred years old right now. But if we
go outside right now, I can run a four three
forty or sub I can do a four to one six.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Jimmy John's crossed the street. We can order a sub
But oh, you've been on the submarine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That what you saw, so so back then it was
even greater. So you got this guy that all the coaches.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Want to I don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Hold on because I'm I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Five 't five in the fifth grade. I've been this
high as my whole life. Like there was a portion
of school where I was one of the big dudes,
Like it's as soon as everybody caught a grossfurt, I
was out of it. But I'm saying I was a
competitive end vigil My father wasn't at acre feedback, like, like, no,

(01:04:03):
I've been one hundred and forty five pounds my whole career.
That's why I never bothered when they said your cats
on drugs. I knew how you're going to prove that
my body is a temple.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I've been the same size since I was teend.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Like what do you? Yeah? Like, I haven't. I haven't
changed off this pivot foot. This has always been who
I was before stand up or anything. But it was
a It was an interesting childhood. I appreciate my parents,
even though I couldn't live within the religious frameworks so
what they had set up. But that was more not

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wanting to live a double life and not want to
embarrass my family.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
You know what I mean, Because I read were a
formal punishment for you is that they would take books
because you mentioned you were such a voracious reader, And
a formal punishment was when they would take the books
for me because you could read fluently. You told me
how at like three or four years old you could
read read read.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I'm not just a little child's book, but you could
read read well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I'm saying, when we go to Haiti to do missionary work,
understand that my mother and my father, nobody that's there
with us speaks French, and I mean it speaks creole
and reads French. So I'm in charge of everything from
the housing, to the cars to the gardener, like I'm saying,

(01:05:24):
So I'm not just reading. I'm reading in multiple languages.
I'm probably reading three thousand books a year from the
time that I'm eight years old to the time that
I'm twelve. No fiction books at all. I'm only reading nonfiction.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
You could drive at twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
You received the full scholarship to the National Science Academy
in Dayton, Ohio, but you failed, so you couldn't become
so you would become ineligible. Why do you want to
take that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I didn't see it as an opportunity. When I got
in there. All the students were wearing lab coats, and
it seemed very confined and restricted, and nobody seemed like
they were having fun. It just seemed like everybody was smart.
I didn't want that. That wasn't what I was signing
up for at all. And plus I thought that I

(01:06:18):
was Jesus was my big homie. So you know how
you get a story about a dude joined the gang
and get a big home. Like at this particular point
in my life, my thought is that the Bible is
the greatest book that's ever been written, that it houses
the truth, and that it gives you this story of
Jesus and that I'm supposed to be like him. So

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it's already in my head that as soon as I
get thirteen, I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
You.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
At thirteen, you the only like, okay, Mama moving out?
You moved from Ohio to Florida on your own. You
weren't afraid. I mean you like, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Did you not hold?

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
What were you going?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
What were you gonna do when you got to Florida?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Don't say I wasn't afraid. There's no such thing as
a human being of not being afraid. There are certain
human beings that understand that being afraid in no way
stops you from doing what you gotta do. Okay, So
I was afraid but I couldn't be that afraid because

(01:07:22):
I knew what had happened with Jesus, I knew how
it worked out. I knew that I wasn't in the
wrong with how I was feeling, and I knew that
I didn't have any bad intentions in it. So I
trusted God that it would work out. Why Florida, Because
if you're raised in Ohio, the one thing on your

(01:07:43):
list is I'm gonna get away from snow and I'm
gonna get as far I want to go. Tell me
the place. I literally went to a truck stop and
I asked all the truck drivers where they was going,
and there was one guy going to California, and there
was one guy going to Florida, and they told me
how long it was gonna take. And so that's why
I ended up in Miami. Because how did you get there?

(01:08:04):
You caught a bus?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
No, I just told you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I was at the truck stop. I got in. I
didn't hitch you like I got in the back of
the dude eighteen wheeler, me and my Rothwiler puppy and
my suitcase. Yeah, because I was I probably had twenty
five hundred dollars on me like I like I was
shoveling snow and cutting grass, like I always had a
box full of money.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
When did you make your decision that you were going
to leave Ohio and go somewhere and it ended up
being Florida? So but when did you know that you
were leaving dating Ohio going to Florida?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
And my father and I his last interaction, somebody could
have not made it, and we both understood that was
all bad.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
What was the disagreement about?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
If you say that my family is very religious, just
say I'm not. So anything that I'm going to do
is it's going to fall out of the guidelines. But
I'm not gonna let you tell me what I'm going
to be. Even especially what you're saying is wrong, I
can't condone wrong. And if I find out that something

(01:09:23):
is wrong and I tell you what's wrong and you
don't back me, that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Even as a young child, you were willing to tell
your parents that some of the things that you're saying
doesn't coincide to what I've been reading in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
No, no, very, simply don't try to this fellowship me
for sexual accent. I'm a virgin. Sorry, God don't make mistakes.
You don't get two times to fuck me over. What
do you mean You went to God and he told
y'all was guilty. You just lie on God so long,
that's it. No conversation deuces.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
So that that's when you made the decision. After that conversation,
right there, you say, no, I can't, I can't live
under this room.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
It wasn't a conversation, it was an altercation. And the
altercation I love my father. My father loved me, but
we are two men at it that it'll never be
the same again. You can't sleep comfortably around me and
I can't sleep comfortably around you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
How similar are you to your father?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
No, I don't know. He's a great man. I'm saying because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Your buddy heads.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Right, But I'm saying that generally happens with a father's
son dynamic. It was just that religious relationships are always
differentult than families. They always are.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Before he got to the point, because the dynamic he's father,
your son, before that dynamic, and you step up on
his level and you challenge him, you felt it was
best for you to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
No, no, no, I'm not being challenged. I'm being beat
to death.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Oh he was abusive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I didn't say that. I said we were in an altercation.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Uh, I see what you did that. I saw what
you did that. I saw what you did that. Cat,
I saw what you did. You was an altercation. You
didn't say you lost. You say he's an altercation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I in no way gave you the impression that I
won anything. I'm the one leaving. I'm out of bounds.
This is his house, right ye. Yeah, So as long
as I'm gonna be under his roofs, there are certain
things that I'm gonna have to do right. And the
only way that's gonna change is either this or that.

(01:11:51):
And I'm saying I had two younger brothers, Like I'm
not I'm not an unreasonable person, Like I don't have
any mental issues whatsoever, despite what they leave people to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
You know, I make good, pretty good decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Were you not? So how was their relationship with your father?

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Were you not afraid to leave them?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Well, I asked, because it went all the way to
the actual department, so it was actually going to be something.
And when I asked them if they could just make
sure that my brothers didn't get separated, and was to
have you they said they couldn't make those type of guarantees,

(01:12:34):
that they weren't really sure what would happen if this
went down, and so part of leaving was the hope
that it would be okay for them because none of
them experienced what I experienced. I'm saying I'm the oldest.
It's a lot riding on me. I'm supposed to at
least religiously hold down the family's name right at this household,

(01:12:56):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
How much older are you than the baby and the
knee baby?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Like a lot older, like if I'm at thirteen. Yeah,
they're five and in pampers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Wow. Right, you go to Florida. You tell the story.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
I've heard you you homeless, and somebody else told the story,
said they were homeless, and you said they hijacked your story.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Now, hey, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
At thirteen, I shouldn't have to tell you I'm homeless.
I'm in I'm in Miami, Florida. I have no family
members in Florida. I couldn't buy a house if I
wanted to. I couldn't get an apartment if I wanted to.
I don't have a credit history. Like this is not
a stretch for me to say that I'm homeless. I'm

(01:13:51):
living in a park in Coconut Grove. The park still
exists to this day. For eight hours a day, I
would get up and go to the library and study
for eight hours a day to increase my education. And
then I would leave out of there and go to
the marina and steal car radios and make two thousand
dollars almost daily. Like I had a routine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
So you and I could have played then Santa Oh
thief in Santa Claus.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
You could have played it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
No, the Santa Claus wasn't a thief. The Santa Claus.
You can't tell me I read the script. Ricky Smiley
told you he didn't read the script. The Santa Claus
was a crackhead. He just had that outfit on. That's
what I couldn't have played, Okay, Like I couldn't have
played a black guy that got raped in the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Right, So eighty point in time, did you like? Man,
I made a mistake. Man, I should have stayed my
buddy in Ohio. Man, cause this is man. Let's say
what I signed up for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
I didn't experience anything once I left home that I
hadn't signed up for if anything had saved my life,
me being homeless for that small period of time allowed
me to see all of the people that were in
that situation, and to see that these were lawyers and
doctors and teachers, and that these people were white and

(01:15:11):
black and Asian and Indian. And the only thing that
all of these homeless people had in in common was
they made a bad decision and aligned themselves with drugs.
And I interviewed them all what drug and guess what, Shannon, Well,
nobody had a great story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Nobody had a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Of what meth had done for them, what crack had
done for them, with cocaine had done for them, where
heroin had done for them, with speed had done for them.
Nobody had them stories. Everybody's story was I had my
life together and then I decided to do this dumb
thing and I lost my wife, I lost my house,

(01:15:55):
I lost my cars, I lost my reputation, and I'm
now out here sucking penis in the woods. What talk
about scared straight? You ain't got the worry about me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
If that ain't weed or nicotine, you won't see me
touching it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I don't want no parts. I didnet seen what these
things can do to people. Anything that take over your
free will is the devil itself.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Have you ever thought about what your life would have
been had you stayed in Dayton, Ohio?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
No, that's like asking somebody that's in the NBA for
fourteen years, like, what would have happened if you didn't
come to the NBA. Oh I shudder to think. I
thought it was what I was made for. I thought
it was what I was built for. Anybody that knows
me will tell you that when they first met Kat Williams,
when I was Cat in the Hat, and they tell

(01:16:53):
these stories about how he changed his name. Look, the
truth of the matter is Disney sued me. Yeah, Cat
and the Hack. They sent me a cease and desist letter.
And I'm not even making twenty five thousand dollars a
year and the mega company, Disney has sent me a
cease and desist telling me I can't use any variations

(01:17:14):
of that name. Fine, I'm Kat Williams. That's all that happened.
I have been this same product the entire time. They
will tell you when they first saw me doing stand up,
I was just like this, this is what I bring,
this my style.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
When did it When did you know you was going
you wanted? Were you always funny? Did you always want to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Be a comedian? Did you stumble on a comedianship?

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I loved what they did, and so I studied them,
all of them. I studied all of the white comedians
because I wanted to know why is Monty Python funny?
Why is Don not so talented? I wanted to know
what is George Carlin thing like? Where? So I studied

(01:18:03):
all of the comedy masters, regardless of the field, because
I loved to laugh. I didn't know that these people
were making a great living at doing this. I thought
this is just what they did. They tell jokes, they're
funny people. But I loved the craft, and that's why
when I got into the craft, I thought it was

(01:18:24):
my obligation to make sure that I kept writing new
materials so much that it forced these comedians to stop
doing the set they've been doing for ten years and
keep writing some new stuff. And I knew that if
I could get that to take on, that most of
these bombs would have to just quit comedy because they
can't keep up. They're not gonna keep writing an hour

(01:18:45):
worth of material. I've written an hour worth of material
nineteen times. They not gonna do it. Why because they're
not creative writers. They want to get somebody else and
have them write it and put it together.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
So, if I'm listening to you, correct Correign if I'm wrong,
I think the best thing that ever happened was the
Internet because now they have to because normally, like you said,
you could do a set and you do that, do that.
That's set in Kansas City. People ain't hurting in San Francisco,
people ain't hurting in Miami. They ain't heard in Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta,

(01:19:19):
so forth, and so on. Now you do a set,
it's on the internet. Somebody heard it. So you can't
do a set and make it last three months four months.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Well, it doesn't allow the regular comic the ability to
grow is the real problem. Like the part of comedy
is me taking these jokes in January and by March
I've begun to craft this joke. It's not as simple

(01:19:50):
as it was when I wrote it. It was just
da da Da da da. But now it has the
complexities of the fact that I'm having to deliver this
to an East Coast audience, a down South audience, a
Midwest audience, a Utah audience, a Colorado audience, And so
it begins to take on a different complexion because you're

(01:20:11):
having to deliver it to different people. Okay, and so
this is what sharpens your joke. If you then take
those sharpened jokes and make a special not you just
randomly take some. So it's a process. You don't allow
them to process. If the first time the guy did
the joke, now that's his joke, and the joke is everywhere,

(01:20:32):
that just sets it up for people to steal.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
So how many times must you tell a joke before
you master it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
How many times have you had to sleep with a
woman before you're done with her? That's not fair. If
it's great, never, if it ceases to have usefulness has
been spoken? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I read that you was raised in Florida. You had
some help, some ladies of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
No, no, no, that's not true. No, that whole story
doesn't take place in Florida. That story takes place in
Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
So after I'm in Florida, I then join I try
to join the Marine Corps and it won't accept me
because I'm I'm too young, and I've lied and told
them I'm sixteen and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
My family's moving down now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I don't have my ID, but it's coming, and so
they let me go to the boot camp. Blah blah blah.
That's not gonna work now, Okay, So I've learned that lesson.
So then I get this job selling stuff door to
door across the country. And so I've been to all
fifty states. Again, I'm thirty fourteen years old, So I
did that at While I'm doing that, one of the

(01:21:52):
places i'm at, I'm in Oklahoma, and I've decided I'm
gonna stay here because of meeting these ladies that you're
talking about and that situation. I don't know at the
time why that's important in my life, or why it's
something I should be doing or any of that, but
now later on it certainly helps me in formulating money.

(01:22:14):
Mike for Friday after next and pimp named Slickback for
the boondocks.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Oklahoma. So San Francisco, Oklahoma, Sacramento. From Florida, you moved
to the West coast after So you're traveling. When did
you set up shop on the West coast?

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Were there?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
So, I guess I'm uh eighteen or younger and I
once I have my Once I have a child, I
realized that I can't. It's a lot of things that
I could use to make money that now is a
no go. So anything with street aspirations that I might

(01:23:00):
have thought about pursuing or been good at, I now
am a single parent and I gotta redo these things.
So I need comedy to really work out for me,
and me and God go into extreme conversation where I'm
explaining to him that I'm a crash out dummy if

(01:23:20):
he don't send me a lifeline, like I need something
I can hold on to. Before I had left Florida,
I did stand up one time because we was trying
to get in the club. I didn't have ID, so
I said I was a comedian. They ended up having
me do five minutes. I kept that in my head
that I had done that. When we get to Oklahoma,
they're having a competition for stand up and if you win,

(01:23:44):
you get to go out on the road with Jeff
Foxworthy and Dan Whitney who is Larry the Cable Guy,
and Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Jenny and these great comics. You get to open for him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
And once I did that, I realized, Okay, as a comedian.
I'm like way behind schedule out and started this too late.
All the funny guys are already funny and known names,
like how am I going to progress? So I realize
that I do better with a white audience than I

(01:24:16):
do with a black audience. And I'm not sure why
that's occurrent, but the white audience likes me more. That's interesting.
So when I moved to Sacramento, it's because Sacramento has
a white and a black audience almost fifty to fifty.
That's almost the makeup of Sacramento. So I live in
Sacramento for two years until I get to the point

(01:24:39):
where I am equally as funny if the room is
black as I am if the room is white. That's
not enough. Now I need to be one of the
good ones when it comes to black comics. So now
I have to move to Oakland. And that's what lands
me in Oakland for three years. Once I have dominated

(01:25:02):
male black comedy in Oakland to my liking. Now I'm
prepared to go to Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Now, now I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Know you can't throw me any curveballs if it's a
white audience, if it's a black audience, no matter what
they are I'm prepared to deal with all of the audiences.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Do you write jokes according to the audience that you're
going to be in front of or your joke universal?

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Well, in the beginning, part of my framework is that
I'm tailoring every show to this audience, okay. And that's
how I was able to show my range and show
that I was better than my competitors, is that I'm
Kat Williams. But I was still doing clean comedy. So
I was still going to churches and doing forty five

(01:25:51):
minutes of stand up at the church with no curse words,
no sex, drug material, no none of that, just straight
stand up. And I was doing everything else. And yeah,
that was the range. Is that where when in Rome
do as the Romans do? So that's how I started.

(01:26:15):
But as you begin to get better, you begin to
be able to speak to your entire fan base. And
that's really what's been helpful is that I've been having
the same conversation with my fan base for twelve comedy specials.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Is that what said Cat Williams apart is your range
is that you can do a comedy, do forty five
minutes from the church. I can go to a comedy
club in front of two fifty, or I can go
into arena with fifteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
That's range because everybody can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Cat Well, if that's what range is called, then then
then yeah it's ranged. But I I like the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
People I'm talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
You see what I'm saying, So it's not It's not
like it can't be condescending because I'm talking to my
white male friend.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
When I'm telling that white joke.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Right when I'm talking about this joke about this black lady,
I know that black lady. That's who I'm talking to.
I'm I'm I'm I'm speaking to this fan base that
I've been speaking to from the beginning. I already told
them what I was on when I first came in.
I told them they was gonna come after me, They
was gonna cancel me, They was gonna say terrible things
about me and try to mess my life up. I

(01:27:30):
said that coming in to stand up. I'm saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Well, you knew it was gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
It has to be. I know I'm going into the
belly of the beast. How could I be naive? I
know that I'm going into Satan's playground, But I'm trying
to be so good that you got to bring me
in so close that I can see who's doing what
and what's going on in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
There in San Francisco, You join the nation?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I was ever in San Francisco. I was in Oakland.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
You was an Oakland Did you join the nation? Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah? Minister, honorable Minister far Khan and I have an
extremely close relationship. He refers to me as one of
his sons. So yeah, I spent a particular period of time.
Let me explain, yes, because my particular background was already

(01:28:24):
religious and super strict right. I didn't find out about
other religions by reading about them. I went to their religion.
I don't want to learn from Jewish people from outside.
I want to be in a synagogue. I want to
I don't want to learn about Muslim people from I

(01:28:45):
want to be in a mosque. I don't want to
hear about the Baptist or the Pentecostal. I want to
go to their church. Let's see. And so that was
the religious discovery that I was on through that period
in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
What did join club?

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Because I'm an official member by hitting that subscribe button
where you never know who's going to be joining us
for drinks and conversation. Don't be late to the party
because you know we'd like to do something before do something.

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