August 20, 2025 • 56 mins
Unc & Ocho are back with their WILDEST NFL takes of the week! Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jerry Jones turning the Cowboys into a straight-up clown show. Plus, lawsuits the NFL faces against Brian Flores and Jon Gruden respectively. Don’t miss the debates, the laughs, and the hottest NFL storylines right here on Nightcap!
0:00 - Bengal looking to trade Trey Hendrickson?
12:05 - Jerry Jones running a circus in Dallas?
21:22 - Brian Flores vs the NFL
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46:29 - Jon Gruden vs the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, is your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to
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subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho crack. According to Diana Rassini,
the Bengals have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding
(00:20):
Trey Hendrickson for weeks. According to teams, they've reached out
to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also
targeting defensive players and a potential deal. Last season, Hendrickson
ranked first and sac first and pressure sixth in pressure
rates thirty and havn't played second and tackle for losses
the last two season. Off the field, hendricks a defense.
(00:42):
With him off the field, OHO, your thirty second pressure
rate thirty cis thirty second and success rate thirty second
in passer rating. When he's on the field, your top
twelve in pressure rates top twelve and success rate top
twelve and passer rating. I don't understand this. This is
what I don't understand. You knew you weren't gonna play him.
(01:04):
They knew that, O yo. But what they thought he
was gonna do what he did last year. Oh he'll
come in. He told you he wasn't. Just like Chase said,
if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year,
I'm not coming in. He said he wasn't coming y'all
knew y'all wouldn't say. I don't understand, oyo, why would
you not move him before the draft and get somebody
(01:27):
get a draft pick?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I listen, I have no idea. I thought maybe I'm thinking,
maybe maybe Mike Brown, Katie Troy Duke understanding that Trey
Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game
of football, and maybe he would fold at some point
and come back. And obviously he's one that understands the business.
(01:53):
And you got to hit while the fire, Yes, you
got to hit while the stove is hot.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And this is his time. This is his time to
hit based on.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
What he's done, not just last year, but the previous
year as well. But then you also look at from
their viewpoint for help. You had seventeen sacks last year,
but our defense was horrible.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But you paid your quarterback and you two wide.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Receivers, but our offense was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So remember, make sure I hear this right, This is
what Trey Ringo said. He said, let's recap, the Bengals
have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback. They paid their
two top targets. Despite all this, they missed the playoffs
last season because their defense was terrible. So how do
they fix that by listening to trade offers for the
best defensive player, unsigned defensive end Trey Hendrickson. This is
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how management fails it's players. Kyle Brandt said, if the
Bengals trade trade Hendrickson, it will just be the second
time in the modern era that a player has led
the NFL's in sack and to be traded the following season.
The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded Hall
of Famer Jared Allen to Minnesota in two thousand and eight.
(02:58):
Allen was first Team All Pro three times with the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, I mean the reports are saying that they are listening,
they're listening to trade offers.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, they listened to trade off.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh Joe, but you knew you weren't gonna pay him.
He would have made it abundantly clear. You got so whatever,
y'all worked behind things. He's like, okay, he came back. Okay,
maybe if I get close there, they see me there, Ay,
we can engage again. They were unwilling. He's not gonna
take what you're gonna offer him. Seventeen and a half
sacks and back to back years. They're not very many
(03:34):
guys that played since the sack became an official stat
in nineteen eighty two has put together seventeen and a
half sacks in back to back seasons. Yeah, he's done that.
I just don't know how you think you got, oh Joe,
if you couldn't, if you couldn't stop anybody with him,
who the hell you stopping without him? We saw last
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year Chase had the triple crown, burnt led the league
in what passing yards and passing touchdowns? And you missed
the playoffs because your defense was atrocious. And what do
you do? Clearly, the guy that's leads years ahead of
everybody on your defense, it's not even close. And remember,
oh Joe, you you released Pratt, your linebacker.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
He wanted to deal as well, right, went to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Go ahead on Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh yeah, okay, Chad, let me listen. Yeah, it's the
business understanding, how the business works. I think the Bengal
see it. Is we were very bad defensively last year
with you, why.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You just got worse?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean listen, I mean you never know. Shamar Stewart.
What was Samar Stewart def for us this year? He's
a rookie. I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie
to come in, but how.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Many rookies have ever had seventeen sacks in the season.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's gonna get seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Uh, I'm just saying, the way the business works, paying
your top dollar and you're bringing a rookie that's on
what who knows a minimal salary, minimal gallery and could
come in and contribute. He might not get seventeen sacks,
but we'll do. Maybe not a good job as Trey Henderson,
but be efficient.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
The most sacks Arabi rookie is Javon Curse in nineteen
ninety nine. He had fourteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And I listen, no dishes. I'm not gonna be dishases.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I don't know if he's freaked, we'll we'll have
to see. But Freak was special. I played Againt Freak.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh yeah, he was a real deal. He was a
real deal. I'm excited, though, I mean I'm excited. I mean, listen,
I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't think whatever
does happen. Our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense.
And I said it. I said it, and I could
say it again. I don't know what we're gonna do defensively,
but we have to improve from last year. We don't
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need you to be the best defense in the world.
We don't need to be the best. I just need
to wait, let me, let me, let me finish. I
need to be somewhere in the middle of the pack
fifteen sixteen, be able to make be able to make
stops when it matters most.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't need you to be number one. I don't
need to be number two. I don't need you to
be three, four or five.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just need to meet us halfway, meet the offense
halfway fifteen sixteen seventeen, somewhere around there, we're gonna be
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If you had a Passer ten, if you had a Stingley,
if you had a Sauce gardener, you had a Ramsey,
if you had one of those top guys, I can
say okay o, Jo, you can hold up a little
long to get a guyther but y'all don't have that.
Y'all best defensive player hands down, and it wasn't even close.
It's Trey Henderson.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, Jo, you guys goed thirty eight and lose forty
one thirty eight. Oh Joe, you guys go thirty five
and lose thirty eight thirty five because you couldn't get
off the field. Yeah. With that being said, I don't
know how you're gonna improve. I don't know if you've
made that big of an improvement defensively. Even with Stewart,
(07:08):
he will have to be curse Micah, Aaron Donald lt.
You gonna have to have those kind of seasons on Joe.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You listen, you've been around again, You've been around the
game for a long time. We've seen situations like this
happened occur on many other teams. They don't feel he's
worth the price tag that he's asking for. They've already
paid te They've already played Chase, they played Joe. I mean,
I mean, this is just he's the odd man out.
He's an odd man out and now they're listening to
trade offers and.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Unlet's say, well maybe if you trade him, well, you
can't trade it for Michaeh because you can't pay Michaeh.
I'm trying to say who you're gonna trade Who can
you trade him for? Because if you trade him just
for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help
you this year, and you need help this year.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Time out. Rewind that we're rying them right back.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You just got me excited. You just got me excited.
I don't know how much money is left over.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
None.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know any it can manipulate the cap and
make it happen. Is there any way in this scenario
we can get Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You're gonna have three guys making over forty million on
your roster.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Hey, I like the I like the way that sound.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You want to pay Trey Henderson. You want to pay
Trey Henderson thirty million, but you're gonna give Michael Parsons
forty three forty four million?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and ask your question? Hold of Trey Henderson asked,
hold of trade thirty two.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Thirty?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Hold is Michael Parsons twenty five?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It came out early, so you might be twenty six
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now ask me that question again. Would they pay him
forty three? No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't they would Yeah,
I can ask right now, I can call, I can
call personnel.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Right paying They're not there. First of all, they're not
paying a fifty five million dollar quarterback, a forty three
forty five million dollar defensive player, a forty one million
dollar wide receiver, and a thirty million dollar wide receiver.
They're not having that. They're not paying that. Hold on,
they just ought. Yo, y'all just started spending money two
(09:30):
years ago with Borrow. Think about all the great players
that you guys have had that have left.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna call somebody upstairs.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It is hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I want to I'm gonna see what they say.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Damn I like that. That's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
DJ Chris Jenkins. I don't know, Ocho, y'all might be
with y'all might be in the same situation again, No,
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Hey, I have a question. Would it be rude if
I called Zach and asked that?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's rude?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
On you ask whatever you want to ask.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Him that's not that's not offensive, right, It's just just
a regular question, regular question for what.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
As Zach Taylor? If if I, if I, if I,
if I call him ask? Is that rude?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You can ask him whatever you want to. Oho, we'll
sit right here and watch. Wait. I don't know if
the chat believe you call it him, but oh sure,
we'll hold on.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, I'm texting. Look can you see that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I don't know, I said, I said, coach, are you up?
I want to make sure you up? I don't want
to call. It's twelve o'clock. They play tomorrow, so I
don't know. It's twelve nineteen. They playing in DC.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
What's what's what's the time difference in DC?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
H Dallas is on Central time, DC is on Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So, oh, it's twelve nineteen. I called Eb. You know
EB right know? Every ball.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
M no, no, but every ball played with with the
bangles when you was playing with with with David, I think, yeah,
but David.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Fo yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
No, uh no, oh, you're running back.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I think every I think every ball might have been
running back.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You probably know, you probably know when you see him,
even he's been over there since since I was there.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Before I got there. Yeah, every ball, yeah yeah, part
of player I forgot. I don't know how to pronounce.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The What are community like community relations guys? Yeah, I
think he's Oh he has a player personnel department. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
their engagement.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, probably something like that, something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Oh Joe. Jerry Jones continues to believe all the all
publicity is good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that
if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my
part to get us looked at. The beautiful thing for
networks or if you were streaming companies, is that the
NFL is the three hundred and sixty five day year
interest factory. A lot of programming. You have to spend
as much to promote as you as you do to
(12:30):
make it. The cowboys are soaproper three hundred and sixty
five days a year. When it gets slow, I'll stir
it up, Oh, jo Jerry said, he be stirring the pot.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Listen, man, everybody in the chat. I use I use
this this moniker, I use this phrase. I use this
analogy last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the
product that he owns and controls.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Frank Lucas in American Gangster.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He had Blue Magic, best product out there in the business,
in the world. You didn't have to do anything to
it because it's soul itself, Jerry, Why you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Cut it up?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You don't need to cut it up and any smaller
pieces for the do what it's gonna do without you
in the picture. It's gonna sell itself no matter what.
The Cowboys will always be talked about, whether you come
out and say something or not, because it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't listen. I don't He's not in the business
of winning. He continues to show us that time and
time again.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He in the business of making money.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Every he's in the business of you said that he's
in the business of making money. He is great at that,
and that's just what it is. I feel sorry for
the fans, you know, I feel sorry for the players
that are that that have to deal with that. You know,
you want to play for the Cowboys, you want to
play for America team.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You got to start on a helmet.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it's more of a circus than it is a
football team.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And that one at the top. Success on any team
it starts at the top. Yeah, it just triggers on down.
But if the circuit starts at the top, what do
you think the product.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Is gonna look like? Come on, man, it don't got
to be Sunday for me to preach.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Come on, man, you know that's you look Jerry, But
come on that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
The Cowboys I think I just read today the Cowboys
wire worth twelve point eight billion. That's the most expensive franchise,
not just North America, of all sports franchises, basketball, football, baseball,
these these soccer teams, O Euro all that nothing. If
it's a sports club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable
(14:43):
than the Cowboys. Yeah. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Hey, the man is in the bsiness of making money.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's it. I don't have a problem with that. We
don't try to discuis them talk about you care about winning,
because you don't know. You care about selling tickets, You
care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Hey, actions speaks loud in their words. Yeah, actions show otherwise.
And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm
in the business of lining my pockets and staying the
most profitable sports franchise in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's it. And then if he's Okay with that, then
so be it. But he does set a precedent.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, he says the president to the coaches, he says
the president to the players, and.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The way he conducts himself when it comes to business.
But it is what it is. The Cowvi's America scene.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I heard Emmitt at this docu series, yeah the other
night when he was at Netflix, and he was talking
about at some point in time, it comes down to
the players, because that's what we did. So who are who?
I want to know? The Emmitt Smith, the Michael Irvin.
Michael Irving was the leader of the team. Yes, and
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then you had Hayley, and you look at the guys
that you had. You had Jimmy, You had Jimmy, and
then y'all got d on. If you don't get d on,
y'all not gonna be serving. If he stayed in San Francisco,
gets who win it San Francisco, He's flipped the ballance
of power. Yeah, y'all don't have the level of players, Dammit.
(16:20):
I'm sorry you don't. You don't You look at you
look at the defense that they had back.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Then, well boy reloaded, right, they were loaded.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Look at that offensive line they had been easy. They
had Larry Allen, they had Nate Newton. I think they
still had step I think two and they were still there.
Man stopped down offensive line, y'all got Troy was probably
one of the most accurate quarterbacks, especially for that time. Right. Different, different,
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But you gotta realize Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking
back there in either of the Jimmy. Jimmy wasn't having that.
That's why he got Jimmy up out of there. He
wasn't doing all this talking. I don't know about you, Joe,
but I was in the league. I was in the league,
and I know it wasn't no twenty four hour news cycle.
But in press conference, they didn't have nobody. They had
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no mice in front of Jimmy. I mean in front
of Jerry. The mice went in front of Jimmy and
it drove Jerry crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Damn that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so strong.
You ain't gotta say nothing nothing. We're gonna talk about
it regardless.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts, people on the street.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I don't remember. I don't remember you. Hey, you ever
hear mister Craft talk prior to the Super Bowl out
hear him talking the ABC Championship game the trophy or
that too, and that that that when you getting the trophy.
So he normally getting trophy when he's talking. Yeah, yeah,
Jerry talking to himself talk talking. Man, I forgot what
my boys hurting like. I ain't been on no, I
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ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in
a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So mhm, you heard what you're heard with Denzel Washington said.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
With that opinionaires he know about the other you know,
he's oh he's talk about Jed Jared. Oh, he said
Jared about making money.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I believe too. I believe you can do two things
that I don't believe they have to be mutually exclusive.
I believe you can make money and still win.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The Patriots did it for twenty years. The Chiefs has
done it for about a decade now, right.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But then you know his retort to what you just
said would be they made money, they won sulos, but
I'm still the most profitable franchise. Yeah, would that much
rather be number one in that area? If I can't
be number one on the.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Field, Well, the Cowboys. The Cowboys America's team when they
didn't have Jerry Jones. So what is he talking about.
M He didn't name him America's team. They didn't they
had the stadium with the with the with the hole
in the top so God could watch his team. He
(19:20):
didn't do none of that, right, So this notion that
he created this, he didn't. All the teams have exponentially increased.
I mean you could for what one year's salary, what
a quarterback make, you could used to could be able
to buy franchise. Go back and look at some of
these franchise what they paid for. Now that was I mean,
(19:42):
that was a boatload of money back then in the
Earth seventies and you know, uh that was a that
was a boatload of money. But I'm just saying, and
today you know they ten x, fifteen to twenty x
their money. Oh yeah, so Jerry probably even fifty x
to his money. But with that being said, I don't
(20:02):
believe that you have to do all that. Jerry wasn't
like this. Like I said, Al Davis was his mentor,
That's who taught him. He's Al Davis. Al Davis has
always been a maverick always did things his way. Uh,
And you know, he's like, I'm moving. I'm going to
l A. No, you gotta get vote. I ain't got
(20:22):
to get nothing. It's my team. I bought it. I'm moving.
And he sued the league to move and he sued.
He he just I'm going back to Oakland. No you're not.
You got to know I'm going by I'm suing. And
that's how Jerry is. Jared's like, nah, I'm not gonna
be a part I'm gonna be a part of the
collective bargaining when it comes to let me excuse me.
(20:44):
I'm gonna be a part of the revenue sharing when
it comes to TV. After that, I'm on my own.
I'm gonna do my own independent deals. He has a
deal with PEPSI, he has he has his own deals. Uh,
he has his own merchandise. He's like, no, I'll do
that revenue share when it comes to TV. But other
(21:06):
than that, because I can do a better job than you.
Had no problem with that, but it's unfortunate at the
end of the day, bro, Right now we do it
as talking. Yeah, you ain't collecting no trophies. The Second
(21:27):
US Court of Appeals in Manhattan rule that the NFL
can be put on trial over civil claims that Brian
Florence and other black coaches face discrimination they beware of.
Twenty twenty two, Florad sued the NFL and several teams,
saying the league was ripe with this racism, particularly in
its hiring and promotion a black coaches. Other coaches later
(21:50):
joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. O Cho, I don't know
how close you follow this, but I've always felt the
way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair
and gud. If you've heard me from CBS, I was
on their decade. I was with Fox for seven years
(22:11):
and you and I like to use this analogy, Oh Joe,
if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to
go appeal it to the chief of police because it
was his department that gave me the ticket. I've always
thought it was unfair the NFL hands down this punishment,
and if I want to go appeal it, guess who
I'll appeal it to the commissioner or someone he appointed.
(22:33):
How is that fair? It should be an independent body.
That's why they have a court system, That's why they
have the post that they're two separate with equal entities. Yes,
sir so, I've always felt this was a very, very
unfair practice. They've always been able to hide behind Article
forty six. But you gave commission and he's everything. He's everything.
(23:02):
He's the jury, he's the judge, he's everything. That is
so so unfair, even if you have these broad latitudes
of power. I've always felt the commissioner should get out
of the punishment business. Let someone else handle that. Let
it be an independent body of the NFL, and the
NFL PA should have an independent body, because you're never
(23:25):
everybody feels they're gonna get a they're gonna get an
unfair hearing. If I'm appealing to the head of the
entity that headed down the punishment.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But this is this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Let's let's understand the ecosystem and the power and the
powers that be when it comes to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Let's say, if it does go to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
An independent body, do you understand even with it being
an independent, independent body, independent body, a separate entity away
from the NFL, do you know who still.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Controls the power?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you know how they're going to be swede still
where justice is still not going to be due even
though it's a different entity. Do you do you understand
that understanding understanding the power structure that you're going up against,
the chances of winning are slim to none, whether it
comes from the commissioner himself or whether it's a different
governing body.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I do believe I have a bet. Let me ask
you a question. If I get a speeding ticket, do
you think I got a better chance of going to
the court or going to the Chief of police and
having him hear it? Because think about what happens when
when when police officers do something wrong, it's few and
far between that their own department I am Internal Affairs,
(24:40):
or the governing body that represents the police, the union
discipline them. Yes, you're right, there's a greater chance that
the court. And now you look, but the court system
has said, you know, hey, who that any threat, be
it real or perceived, Let that sink in real or perceived.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yes, you have to understand.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you know, well, for those that don't understand, maybe
on the outside looking in, even with this ruling now
being able to be or go to.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Court, they they're gonna appel it now.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Even if they appeal it. You understand the animal and
the power structure that you're going up against the machine.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Have a question, Hu, Yes, in the history, in the
history of law in general, how many times have the people,
even those that have been discriminated against, even those who
serve right and deserve justice, how many times have the
machine laws?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred. That's
imagine if God and the King would have gotten disturbed, deterred,
or all those people that marched in the fifties and
the sixties hadn't gotten heard rolls aparts, if he had said,
you know what, ain't nothing gonna change, So let me
just go ahead and give them my seat up. You
know what.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. Right, I'm
glad you just said that.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So everything we've been through in the fifties, right, the sixties,
all those that sacrifice, yes, we had won that sacrificed
even recently, brother Kaepernick, Yes, take your knee, Yes, standing
for something. Yes, I have a question for you. Yes,
has anything changed since then?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
In the NFL?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, no, not not the NFL in general. Es with
everyone you just named with fifty sixties, seventies, eighties. Yespening
has anything changed, yet.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It doesn't seem like it. Oh Jo. It seems like
if we take a step forward, we take a couple
of steps back.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
If you talk to me, think about your grandparents, then
your parents within that same situation, and you said, ain't
nothing changed, So your minds with just stay in the
same liberty city, do what they did and not try
my damn despite to improve the situation. Now where would
we be?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We we try our damnage to improve the situations, right,
that's what you can do. Talk to Wait, let me
stay with me real quick. Now, there was a time
in the fifties in the sixties where they were able
to wear their hoods. Huh, yes, daylight, in broad daylight,
because it was accepted. So now they've gone away from
that part. So the hoods are gone. Yes, Now they
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wear roads. Now they hold apples, now that they have
suits and ties on. Now they have positions of power
to where Okay, it seems like things that change or
things may be different, but it really hasn't because now
they're just in positions of power and controlling everything, and
that's what they do, and that's that's what the system
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is to me. It's all about understanding the system.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And being able to fight it. Being able to fight.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And understanding that I'm going to do all I can
to try and improve the situations around me.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It makes some type of impact.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But the way the ecosystem is built in general, the
way it's structured, it's built for you never to win.
But they were they would never allow us to ever
get in position to be able to make that change.
And the ones who do that look like us that
happen to get them and wear the suit ties too.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You got to play by their rules.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
But see what you did. You see what you're saying.
But when we get a chance to get in that position,
do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder?
And says I'm up on the top of the roof now,
so I'm good, I'm up here. I don't want nobody
to look like you joined me up here.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
They say with one more time, though, listen to what
I said. When they do allow you and put you
in positions of power, you have to play their game
by their rules.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's why they're even letting you get in that position
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at it oo.
Think about a system that's been in place for as
long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle
a system that's been into place for one hundred years
in thirty years, you're not.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know, I know one thing, that system that's been
in place for how long it's been in.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If they allow you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
To be in that position of power, you better play
by their rules, and there's an understanding that you have
to do that in order to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But I mean that this is this is a great topic.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know, I'm not wanting to really talk about policy
and stuff like that, but I can go.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I can go now.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But I love I love the fact this is nah
because they said because if you go back and look
at the ruling, he said, the judge like, ain't no
chance that this is fair under no circumstance. Even if
he weren't to appoint someone, it's still him. So you like,
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an arbitrator that he appointed is going to rule against
the man that appointed it. Right, you're right, make it
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Now you're right again.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We go back. I got this feeding ticket, and I'm
going to the I go to the chief of police. Okay, well,
guess what the chief is not gonna hear We're gonna
give it to the corporal. He'll hear it. Hm, he's
still no, no, no, no, no. It needs to be a
separate body. That's why the police they do what they do,
and then guess what your job is done. We go
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into court. Yeah, and now we have a whole different
body with twelve men and women that's gonna determine it, right, Yeah,
because if it was left up to the police, they
would have one hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But just I'm in this case what happened with brother
brother flore Is and other culture that look like US
minorities for that matter. I love that they're standing on
Bennison General and they're gonna get in court, but I
also do understand the other dynamic of it and understanding
who you're fighting against.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah. Oh, they got a lot of money. They can
throw a lot of Look.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
The funny thing about it is the thing about it
is not even about the money. It's the power in
which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're
not at faull because that fight that they're fighting about,
it's still going on today with opportunities not being given
to certain individuals that look a certain way.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Also when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still
prevalent in today's game as well.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I don't want to dive deep in and go into
it and going in depth. But there's so many different
layers I can peel back, right that I choose not
to do. But listen, only a blind man, Only a
blind man when not understand what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Choose not to understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Those that can see and don't know and gonna and
are gonna play maybe naive, yeah, and dumb to the
situation when the facts are clear as day that you
can see, Come on nine, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But uh, hey, the man gets to have his day
in court and we'll see what happens and then you know,
you go from there. But I can assure you they're
going to appeal this. That's a battle of Supreme Court
has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders head coach
John Ruden in his appeal against the NFL. Ruden will
get discovery and a day in court. A legend that
(32:20):
Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email
leading to his firing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, and hey, hey, now that's that's another one that's
going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to
be interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, you can't you can't appeal. And now they might
appeal this to the Supreme Court. Right, they might supreme
because the batt of Supreme Court say naw, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discossed because, oh Joe, you
gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had
a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal they fired.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Though.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You know when coaches get.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Caught they didn't pay him because they cars. He got
fired for cars.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So they're probable cause and getting fired and that that's
like a player getting in trouble. Condact, get him into
the team. We can take that money back. Okay, I
didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if if
they went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely
would not. The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right
because remember, you take one, then everybody else feel like
we got in vulnerable. We got it. We we can,
we can jump on will get all it takes. Look
how big the giraffe feels. All it take is for
(33:33):
one lion. Yeah, the weigh him.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Down and then then come to rest everybody else.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch
it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch it nap.
Catch one napping. He don't let it to getting too
late to day and he's still rested and they catch him.
But for the most part, one of those big males
jep on his back. Yeah, it's a that's four hundred
pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that, and
(33:57):
here it comes. But look the NFL, they've made it
a buried upon the leclear in the appellate court against
Brian flor Is. They're gonna appeal. I can see them
appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Sota, Okay, he absolutely lives. Oh Joe cam Hayward is
open to setting out regular season games in search of
a raise. Cam Hayward, who is the twenty second highest
paid DT, said he's looking to be value. It's hard
for me. After the year, I had to really justify
playing at that number I'm playing at. Hayward said the
team asked him to take a pay cut last summer,
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they ironed out a reworked deal instead that runs through
twenty twenty six. Hayward responded by bouncing back from an
injury Mar twenty twenty three season to finish with eight sacks,
seventy one tackles eleven pass defense as the Steelers went
ten and seven and reached the playoffs for the fourth
time in five years.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Hey listen, Cam, Hayward said, I can't play a fifteen
million now. Those that are on the outside watching fans,
NFL fans, oh, the first thing is to say, oh,
my goodness, you can't play on fifteen million dollars. They
don't see it from that perspective of actually being an athlete,
being an All Pro player, and being a d tackle
that I'm not sure when it comes to the tackles
(35:17):
where he's ranked when the company tackles in the NFL
right now as far as where he should be stated
that next Lawrence one of the betters, the Ed Oliver's
one of the better, and.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
He's different because he's a five technique because they are
three four defense. So he's not he's not like in
your typical like a Warren Sam. He's not like what
like Aaron Donald, what Aaron Donald was in the forty three,
He's a three for He's more of a JJ Watt.
He's a five technique, right, And so don't I don't
want to. I'm gonna try to keep it simple. But
if you notice, they got two lives, they got a
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nose tackle, they got two ends, and they got two linebackers,
so they got four linebackers, Sam and the wheel, a
mic and a plug, and they got three dollars alignment.
He's what we call a five technique. He's a defensive end.
But he played a five technique, not the three technique
or what we call the under tackle that Joe Green
made famous, and the Warren Sat, the Johnny Ramdas and
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those the Aaron Donalds, those type of guys. He's a
five tech. And so with that being said, but the
Steelers saying, hold on, bro, we just redid your contract
last year.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Last year. Yeah, but they asked him to take a
pay cut. They asked him to take a pay cut.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm assuming because of his injury and his play might
have been down. So is it warranted that he gets
a raise at the making.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
One year deal? I agree with you, Ojo. Look yeah,
I'm just from a Steelers perspective. Okay, Joe, you come
in there, You're like, hey, bro, I want to ay man,
I need such and such. Well, you know, o Joe,
you didn't have the best year. Now, okay, so what
you're thinking, well, uh, how about this. We're gonna tell you,
(37:03):
we're gonna we're gonna do this. We're gonna give you.
We'll give you twenty nine We'll give you twenty nine
million for the next two years. Well that's the risk
that you run because what he didn't expect was for
the defensive market to explode like it has. So now
what looked like a really good deal is like chicken
(37:25):
feed to him. So now you get Miles Garrett, you
got his teammate making forty one million, Miles Garrett making
forty you got a Nick Bosa, you got Max Crosby,
you got the nail hunter, you got Michael Parsons, you
got all these guys. And he's like, hold.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
On, yeah, you can't. He can't compare. He can't compare.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Himself because he played.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
He has to compare himself to the D tackles that
played a five technique.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You look at even the D tackles. Christian Wilkins was
making twenty five twenty four million. Look at Dexter lawd
give me, give me the top five highest pat the
D tackles.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'm curios because I'm not jeff Jeffrey Simmons got to
be up there too.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Over the Yeah, Simmons large. Christian Wilkins was making twenty
four and a half million. You get picked up.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Okay, I'm trying. I'm trying to think who else D tackles.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
D tackles Oh v by via Ved gotta be top
five paid as well.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
But him being at twenty two that that's that's that's tough.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's you's singing to me. Yeah, I agree to ojo
is that you know you're looking at guy, I mean
at defensive players. You got like, okay, D tackles. Okay,
where the D tackles market, the D tackle market is
in the mid twenties. He's like, bro, I'm at fourteen
and a half fifteen.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So what would make it happen? What would make them happy.
You think maybe eighteen because.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Jones, Chris Jones is the highest paid at thirty one
seven fifty matter Beach Jwains from The Bravens twenty four
and a half, Ola McNeil from Troy twenty four, twot fifty,
Derreck Brown Carolina twenty four, Quinny Williams twenty four, Simons
(39:26):
Jeffery Simmons. I don't know why I call it, keep
humming Simmons simmons Is twenty three five, The far As
Buckner Coats twenty three, de Ron Payne Washington twenty two five,
Dexter Lawrence twenty one eight seven five, Kenny Clark twenty one.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I got I got something for you right here.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yea. I'm gonna tell you how the Rooney is thinking.
I'm gonna tell you what Tomin is thinking. Hold is
Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Cam Cam came in and in twenty eleven, so he
at least thirty six at the bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They they're not they're not They're not doing it.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
They're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I did everybody, you everybody you just named. Are they
even thirty yet?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Jones is.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Jones is the best Jones that Chris Jones is the
best best d tackling in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You know Chris thirty one, but I don't think Matta
beek Way, I don't think McNeil, Quinny. I don't think
Quentenny is is quenty thirty. He might be.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Thirty six.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Come on now, Queen Williams twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Damn listen, Quinn. You remember Quinn Williams with you on
on Draft Night? Yeah, sneeze and he said he blessed himself. Hey,
but thirty six, I mean listen.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And I see O Joe, it's gonna be hard for
them to put put him in that situation. And because
he's like, okay, fifteen, can you give me the twenty?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Okay, what twenty?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Oh? Maybe you know what we can do. We can
give something to signing bonus.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
We'll take some of the money on the back end
and bring it on the front end and put it
into a signing bonus.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So done, But guess what that does. Take That takes
off next year's cap. That takes money off next year
by sally, And now that fifteen is ten. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Hey, I'm just trying to find out way.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I know it's going to be very difficult, but knowing
him and him saying he's gonna stand his ground and
not play. That's gonna be tough because now you're going
into a season where you're trying to compete in the division.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
You have Aaron Rodgers, and the defense.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Is stacked with all the people that you just added
your identity. Now I'm not calling you a goddamn still Curtain,
but with the t with the players you have on paper,
you should be very good and be able to weekend
and week out, especially in AFC North and against other
teams that you do play agree and you are an
intricate part of that defense. Is the captain that matters more.
(42:11):
You're one of the captains of the defense.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Damn man. That's that's tough. That's tough for the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh Joe, remember the other night we talked about Dalvin
Cook and I say his value somewhere between eleven and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Hey, I say, I say, I said thirteen to five.
So where do you call that?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What? James Cook? James Cook twelve twelve, four years forty eight.
I said, the max they'll probably be is four years
fifty two. But I can see you know, eleven, eleven
to thirteen, he's gonna follow us somewhere eleven thirteen, I
say not. He got not the fifteen. He ain't breaking
up bred.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Right, listen, got he got thirty.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
He's gonna be all right. See that thirty every dollar,
so he's gonna be alright.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
But hey, he's like, nah, y'all not going to get me,
y'allen to give me something in to play on this contract?
H CAMPB. Cam Ward believes he has a top five
receiver corps in the NFL. Right now, Oh Joe, do
you believe that the Titans have a top five receiving corps? Uh?
(43:16):
Top five Eagles.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Let's let's go through.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Bucks Bucks Uh Lions.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
One of the packers in there, Lions packers.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Vikes, I said, when Terry mclauren comes back, him and Debo,
even though they haven't played together, we know what they
can do.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
They've they've shown enough over the years.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
What about the Rams, I mean, we're pooking the cop
in DeVonta.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Rams, pok pooking the Core and DeVonta Adams. Obviously we
know what dolphins, oh, Tyrek and water?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
What about the Bears?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Dj Burden you know he he oh? Hold on, we
know a title lock you could do we know that
Calvin Calvin really is that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Does they doude? They have a top five receiving corp.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I wouldn't say top five, That's all I want to hear. Yeah,
hey they have. They have a very very good receiving
Calvin really though p.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
F F has them at the third worst receiving corp.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For real bait.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Listen, look Browns based on Browns, then the Patriots, and
then they got the Titans.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I see, Oh that's tough.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I just know they wasn't five.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, you got you gotta believe it ain't not top five.
But you have to say that you're for You have
to have to feel that way about sometimes.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You got a lot to him, O Joe, A lot
to him?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Hey whoa how did we even mention Ceedee Lamb and
George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Man?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
We didn't, but you did, So there you got.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You gotta feel that way though.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, for sure. If you don't believe that about your team,
who will, right? And who's the.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Number three over there in Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Now, now you got me thinking, Tyler Calvin, Really, who's
the number three?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Chad?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Who's the number three? Somebody tell me who's the number
three and.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Uh number three to the number third. Wivet Van Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Okay, okay, Van Salad. Van was with the Ring.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yes, with Pittsburgh. Where was you last year?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah? I said, since he first, I said, since I thought.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He was a Pittsburg last year old Joe. Yeah, Cam
your look, I appreciate you pumping up your squad, but
y'all not top five. I'm not even sure y'all top
ten when we when we really get down to and
we start naming, naming receiving cords.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Oh, Joe, hey, I know one thing. Cavin really is
that boy.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
But it's more, it's more than to make over to
make a receiving course, more than one. That's about the
Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders
head coach John Gruden in his appeal against the NFL.
Ruden will get discovery and a day in court. A
legend that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked
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his email leading to his firing.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
H yeah, and he's hey, now that's that's another one
that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's another one that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, you gave you can't appeal. And now they might
appeal this to the Supreme Court, right, they might supreme
because the battle Supreme Court say nah, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discovered because oh Joe, you
gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had
a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal. They fired.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Though.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
You know when coaches getting.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
They didn't pay him because they cause he got fired for.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Cars, So they're probable calls and getting fired and that
that's like a player getting in trouble. Contact, get them
into the team. We can take that money back. Okay,
I didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if they
went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely would not.
The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right because remember,
you take one, then everybody else feel like we got invulnerable.
We got it. We we can we can jump on
the will gain all it takes. Look how big the
giraffe feels. All it take is for one lion. Yeah,
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the weigh him down and they are come to rest.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Everybody else.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch
it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch him.
Catch one napping. You done let it to getting too
late to date and he's still rested and they catch him.
But for the most part, one of those big males
jap on his back.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah it's a rap that's.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Four hundred pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that,
and here it comes. But look the NFL, they's made
it the bury upon the lyclear in the the appellate
court against Brian Flores. They're gonna appeal. I can see
them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota Sota.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
He absolutely lives. That'ster another joint practice fight between the
Ravens and the Commanders. The Ravens issued this statement. Recognizing
the logistical challenges with our team's previous game schedule on
different days and the added strain on players heading into
a short week, the Ravens and Commanders are mutually agreed
to no longer hold joint practices next week. Instead, we'll
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constant right on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup. Uh oh, Joe.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, damn yeah, I like it. I like it. I
mean it's cool.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
But at at times, uncle, you get tired of going
against yourself. At times you get you get tired of
going against yourself. The funny thing about it is the
joint practices. They're going to be scuffles. There have been
scuffles in every joint practice every season, back the date
when I was playing. I'm sure there were scuffles. Oh
you said you guys didn't have joint practices.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
But we did. We did, Oh you did.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
But if it won't a joint practice, hell, you'd be
scuffling against each other.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Get it all out of your system now.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
One thing we haven't seen in a very long time,
except a few instances, is us as players actually fighting
in a game.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Now, hell no, that cast your money.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Here are a few instants they don't play. I remember
one time I can only count three. I can't remember
the receiver's name. Chat, you could probably help me out.
The receiver who got upset at CJ.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Gardner Johnson, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, and then like
when the play was over, got the receiver and then
I remember Odell and Josh Norman.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yes, now that that was, and the most.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshaun Lttimore.
I think Steve Steve Smith got into it with a
few people back and forth with nothing that really came
to blows like the ones I just mentioned and I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Cannot figure and Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
And Andre Johnson, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
And Classic A team, Khalid A team you said, a
key to Lee.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And Michael Crabtree. Outside of that, I mean that that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
It happens very very, very very very It didn't happen often,
but it does happen.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
A build up to it. This is something that happened
over years. It ain't just one game. Here is a
pattern and it's like, okay, enough is enough because Dre
told us he's like, man, he had been doing this
stuff for some years and they just built up and
it's just that day, like you know what, I'm finna
put my foot down. Actually I'm fin to put my
foot in his ass. And so it was a build up.
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But you know, when you enjoyed practice, you got close
proximity because when you flying, you got flying The BWI
Baltimore Washington International Airport it's fifty sixty miles, right if
that so you know the close proximity, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Everybody say were the toughest, we the baddest, and we
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get it right. I just for me, I didn't have
that kind of time because I was exerting all my
energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey,
how we doing this? We're doing it snapped the whistle
or snapped it after the whistle. I just need to
know so that way, Hey, I'm clear on how you
play it, so I can play just like that. And I, hey,
we're not finna do no shoving or so how we doing?
(51:58):
Are we protecting each other? And throw your ass over
the pile of what we do? And I just need
to know because I can do it any kind of way.
I'm gonna make sure you're not the one thing A
karma's got got a lot better lot. Karma used to
take years.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Sometimes Karma instant, Oh yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Like INMSTACR. You know you just like dang, I don't
know how I'm gonna get this. I got to go
to the grocery store. You can already, now you can
EMSTACR and stuff. I guess, oh yeah, and they'll bring
you exactly what now. Sometimes they bring it to you. Yeah,
most definitely. But uh so, I guess I guess the
Ravens and and and and and the uh the commanders
(52:35):
they had a joint they were having joint practice and
they've just been fighting.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Huh damn.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I saw some footage on Twitter today where it was
a big scuffle.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm I'm assuming they use something maybe from last year,
because I haven't seen any scuffles of recent But I mean,
this is smaller than the coaches.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
You know, prepare for the game, prepare for the.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt. Hurt.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Definitely, you get somebody hurt because Dan, somebody get hurt.
And if it's a key player, right, oh, ain't gonna
be no more practicing at all. So we fight every
snap we fight.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You know, Look I get it because a lot of times,
because you know, we're doing nine on seven the dbs
and wide receivers doing one on one. He who win, y'all?
Y'all got him?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
May healing these foods down here.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Hey, listen, that's what
we got from the Titans. The Titans and Falcons. They're
joint practice.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
They going at it back and forth because one Tennessee
player said, Okay, they got us today, but we're gonna
get there ass tomorrow exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
If that's what Mind said.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
At the end of the day, it's all about competing.
It's all about competing.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Those that have already made the team.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
You want to make sure you look good and be
able to put on the show in that joint practice
and let him know I'm still him whoever it is,
and if you're not him, I'm trying to make a
name for myself right here until I get to do
it on Sundays at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If I'm not here, I'm trying to be him. But
in the meantime, o Jo, you're talking about we're gonna
get the ass back tomorrow. Coach ain't trying to hear that.
He gonna curse me out for the next two hours
in meeting, right right right, So I got to hear
his mouth first of all. I had to hear your mouth.
How y'all dealers at on the practice field, and then
I gotta go to meetings, gonna get it from Mike.
I'm gonna get it from the O C. I'm gonna
get it from my position. Coach. Nah, bro, you're not
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gonna do that. And now at one point in time,
now we might get as a team because I can't
control everybody. I'm just one of eleven. But when it
comes to my one on one matchup, coach ain't gonna
do nothing. Pat me on my back and say good jobs.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Huh. I need that. I promise you that I need that.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Listen, they coach're gonna be a your coach, You're gonna
be needy, gona have foots in your butt, not mine.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Absolutely Listen. They call it a team game.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Uh, yes, they call.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
It a team game. They say it functions well. It
functions well when you play as a team. But what's
fail to realize is when you break it down, all
it is is eleven.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Players, eleven individual matchups, eleven individual matchups, and when each
one of you win that matchup.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
It works. Wonders. It works wonders.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
But the funny thing about it is, sometimes there are
weaknesses in that eleven.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Week to week, there's always a weakness somewhere. Yes, so coaches.
That's what coaches come to play. I know what this
player does well, I know what he doesn't do well.
It's a chess match between coordinators on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
How do I hide the weaknesses and put certain players
in position to make plays?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Right? But it's even even, and joint practice is scripted
because they want to look at certain they want to
stick look at certain formations against certain defenses. You want
to see certain defenses against certain formations. So everybody's trying
to do everybody's favor. Now we don't go okay, eight
nine oh seven, a good solid thud, pad on pad,
(55:53):
square up. Just tell this met me know, Hey, you
going across the middle. Hey, guys gonna put pads on
you and they're not gonna take to the ground, but
be prepared for a collision.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, get yourself.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
I'm cool with that. Now. If they done told us
one thing and all of a sudden you want to
be a hero, Okay, don't worry about it. I get
you back.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, it changes everything.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
You damn right, it does because you're not finna get me.
And then you go over to you the sidelines and
slap head and slap high fives don't worry about it.
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subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho crack. According to Diana Rassini,
the Bengals have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding
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Trey Hendrickson for weeks. According to teams, they've reached out
to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also
targeting defensive players and a potential deal. Last season, Hendrickson
ranked first and sac first and pressure sixth in pressure
rates thirty and havn't played second and tackle for losses
the last two season. Off the field, hendricks a defense.
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With him off the field, OHO, your thirty second pressure
rate thirty cis thirty second and success rate thirty second
in passer rating. When he's on the field, your top
twelve in pressure rates top twelve and success rate top
twelve and passer rating. I don't understand this. This is
what I don't understand. You knew you weren't gonna play him.
(01:04):
They knew that, O yo. But what they thought he
was gonna do what he did last year. Oh he'll
come in. He told you he wasn't. Just like Chase said,
if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year,
I'm not coming in. He said he wasn't coming y'all
knew y'all wouldn't say. I don't understand, oyo, why would
you not move him before the draft and get somebody
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get a draft pick?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I listen, I have no idea. I thought maybe I'm thinking,
maybe maybe Mike Brown, Katie Troy Duke understanding that Trey
Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game
of football, and maybe he would fold at some point
and come back. And obviously he's one that understands the business.
(01:53):
And you got to hit while the fire, Yes, you
got to hit while the stove is hot.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And this is his time. This is his time to
hit based on.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
What he's done, not just last year, but the previous
year as well. But then you also look at from
their viewpoint for help. You had seventeen sacks last year,
but our defense was horrible.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But you paid your quarterback and you two wide.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Receivers, but our offense was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So remember, make sure I hear this right, This is
what Trey Ringo said. He said, let's recap, the Bengals
have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback. They paid their
two top targets. Despite all this, they missed the playoffs
last season because their defense was terrible. So how do
they fix that by listening to trade offers for the
best defensive player, unsigned defensive end Trey Hendrickson. This is
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how management fails it's players. Kyle Brandt said, if the
Bengals trade trade Hendrickson, it will just be the second
time in the modern era that a player has led
the NFL's in sack and to be traded the following season.
The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded Hall
of Famer Jared Allen to Minnesota in two thousand and eight.
(02:58):
Allen was first Team All Pro three times with the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, I mean the reports are saying that they are listening,
they're listening to trade offers.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, they listened to trade off.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh Joe, but you knew you weren't gonna pay him.
He would have made it abundantly clear. You got so whatever,
y'all worked behind things. He's like, okay, he came back. Okay,
maybe if I get close there, they see me there, Ay,
we can engage again. They were unwilling. He's not gonna
take what you're gonna offer him. Seventeen and a half
sacks and back to back years. They're not very many
(03:34):
guys that played since the sack became an official stat
in nineteen eighty two has put together seventeen and a
half sacks in back to back seasons. Yeah, he's done that.
I just don't know how you think you got, oh Joe,
if you couldn't, if you couldn't stop anybody with him,
who the hell you stopping without him? We saw last
(03:57):
year Chase had the triple crown, burnt led the league
in what passing yards and passing touchdowns? And you missed
the playoffs because your defense was atrocious. And what do
you do? Clearly, the guy that's leads years ahead of
everybody on your defense, it's not even close. And remember,
oh Joe, you you released Pratt, your linebacker.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
He wanted to deal as well, right, went to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Go ahead on Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh yeah, okay, Chad, let me listen. Yeah, it's the
business understanding, how the business works. I think the Bengal
see it. Is we were very bad defensively last year
with you, why.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You just got worse?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean listen, I mean you never know. Shamar Stewart.
What was Samar Stewart def for us this year? He's
a rookie. I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie
to come in, but how.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Many rookies have ever had seventeen sacks in the season.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's gonna get seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Uh, I'm just saying, the way the business works, paying
your top dollar and you're bringing a rookie that's on
what who knows a minimal salary, minimal gallery and could
come in and contribute. He might not get seventeen sacks,
but we'll do. Maybe not a good job as Trey Henderson,
but be efficient.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
The most sacks Arabi rookie is Javon Curse in nineteen
ninety nine. He had fourteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And I listen, no dishes. I'm not gonna be dishases.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I don't know if he's freaked, we'll we'll have
to see. But Freak was special. I played Againt Freak.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh yeah, he was a real deal. He was a
real deal. I'm excited, though, I mean I'm excited. I mean, listen,
I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't think whatever
does happen. Our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense.
And I said it. I said it, and I could
say it again. I don't know what we're gonna do defensively,
but we have to improve from last year. We don't
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need you to be the best defense in the world.
We don't need to be the best. I just need
to wait, let me, let me, let me finish. I
need to be somewhere in the middle of the pack
fifteen sixteen, be able to make be able to make
stops when it matters most.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't need you to be number one. I don't
need to be number two. I don't need you to
be three, four or five.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just need to meet us halfway, meet the offense
halfway fifteen sixteen seventeen, somewhere around there, we're gonna be
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If you had a Passer ten, if you had a Stingley,
if you had a Sauce gardener, you had a Ramsey,
if you had one of those top guys, I can
say okay o, Jo, you can hold up a little
long to get a guyther but y'all don't have that.
Y'all best defensive player hands down, and it wasn't even close.
It's Trey Henderson.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, Jo, you guys goed thirty eight and lose forty
one thirty eight. Oh Joe, you guys go thirty five
and lose thirty eight thirty five because you couldn't get
off the field. Yeah. With that being said, I don't
know how you're gonna improve. I don't know if you've
made that big of an improvement defensively. Even with Stewart,
(07:08):
he will have to be curse Micah, Aaron Donald lt.
You gonna have to have those kind of seasons on Joe.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You listen, you've been around again, You've been around the
game for a long time. We've seen situations like this
happened occur on many other teams. They don't feel he's
worth the price tag that he's asking for. They've already
paid te They've already played Chase, they played Joe. I mean,
I mean, this is just he's the odd man out.
He's an odd man out and now they're listening to
trade offers and.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Unlet's say, well maybe if you trade him, well, you
can't trade it for Michaeh because you can't pay Michaeh.
I'm trying to say who you're gonna trade Who can
you trade him for? Because if you trade him just
for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help
you this year, and you need help this year.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Time out. Rewind that we're rying them right back.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You just got me excited. You just got me excited.
I don't know how much money is left over.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
None.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know any it can manipulate the cap and
make it happen. Is there any way in this scenario
we can get Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You're gonna have three guys making over forty million on
your roster.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Hey, I like the I like the way that sound.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You want to pay Trey Henderson. You want to pay
Trey Henderson thirty million, but you're gonna give Michael Parsons
forty three forty four million?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and ask your question? Hold of Trey Henderson asked,
hold of trade thirty two.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Thirty?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Hold is Michael Parsons twenty five?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It came out early, so you might be twenty six
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now ask me that question again. Would they pay him
forty three? No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't they would Yeah,
I can ask right now, I can call, I can
call personnel.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Right paying They're not there. First of all, they're not
paying a fifty five million dollar quarterback, a forty three
forty five million dollar defensive player, a forty one million
dollar wide receiver, and a thirty million dollar wide receiver.
They're not having that. They're not paying that. Hold on,
they just ought. Yo, y'all just started spending money two
(09:30):
years ago with Borrow. Think about all the great players
that you guys have had that have left.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna call somebody upstairs.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It is hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I want to I'm gonna see what they say.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Damn I like that. That's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
DJ Chris Jenkins. I don't know, Ocho, y'all might be
with y'all might be in the same situation again, No,
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Hey, I have a question. Would it be rude if
I called Zach and asked that?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's rude?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
On you ask whatever you want to ask.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Him that's not that's not offensive, right, It's just just
a regular question, regular question for what.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
As Zach Taylor? If if I, if I, if I,
if I call him ask? Is that rude?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You can ask him whatever you want to. Oho, we'll
sit right here and watch. Wait. I don't know if
the chat believe you call it him, but oh sure,
we'll hold on.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, I'm texting. Look can you see that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I don't know, I said, I said, coach, are you up?
I want to make sure you up? I don't want
to call. It's twelve o'clock. They play tomorrow, so I
don't know. It's twelve nineteen. They playing in DC.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
What's what's what's the time difference in DC?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
H Dallas is on Central time, DC is on Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So, oh, it's twelve nineteen. I called Eb. You know
EB right know? Every ball.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
M no, no, but every ball played with with the
bangles when you was playing with with with David, I think, yeah,
but David.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Fo yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
No, uh no, oh, you're running back.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I think every I think every ball might have been
running back.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You probably know, you probably know when you see him,
even he's been over there since since I was there.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Before I got there. Yeah, every ball, yeah yeah, part
of player I forgot. I don't know how to pronounce.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The What are community like community relations guys? Yeah, I
think he's Oh he has a player personnel department. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
their engagement.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, probably something like that, something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Oh Joe. Jerry Jones continues to believe all the all
publicity is good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that
if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my
part to get us looked at. The beautiful thing for
networks or if you were streaming companies, is that the
NFL is the three hundred and sixty five day year
interest factory. A lot of programming. You have to spend
as much to promote as you as you do to
(12:30):
make it. The cowboys are soaproper three hundred and sixty
five days a year. When it gets slow, I'll stir
it up, Oh, jo Jerry said, he be stirring the pot.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Listen, man, everybody in the chat. I use I use
this this moniker, I use this phrase. I use this
analogy last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the
product that he owns and controls.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Frank Lucas in American Gangster.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He had Blue Magic, best product out there in the business,
in the world. You didn't have to do anything to
it because it's soul itself, Jerry, Why you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Cut it up?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You don't need to cut it up and any smaller
pieces for the do what it's gonna do without you
in the picture. It's gonna sell itself no matter what.
The Cowboys will always be talked about, whether you come
out and say something or not, because it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't listen. I don't He's not in the business
of winning. He continues to show us that time and
time again.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He in the business of making money.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Every he's in the business of you said that he's
in the business of making money. He is great at that,
and that's just what it is. I feel sorry for
the fans, you know, I feel sorry for the players
that are that that have to deal with that. You know,
you want to play for the Cowboys, you want to
play for America team.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You got to start on a helmet.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it's more of a circus than it is a
football team.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And that one at the top. Success on any team
it starts at the top. Yeah, it just triggers on down.
But if the circuit starts at the top, what do
you think the product.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Is gonna look like? Come on, man, it don't got
to be Sunday for me to preach.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Come on, man, you know that's you look Jerry, But
come on that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
The Cowboys I think I just read today the Cowboys
wire worth twelve point eight billion. That's the most expensive franchise,
not just North America, of all sports franchises, basketball, football, baseball,
these these soccer teams, O Euro all that nothing. If
it's a sports club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable
(14:43):
than the Cowboys. Yeah. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Hey, the man is in the bsiness of making money.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's it. I don't have a problem with that. We
don't try to discuis them talk about you care about winning,
because you don't know. You care about selling tickets, You
care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Hey, actions speaks loud in their words. Yeah, actions show otherwise.
And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm
in the business of lining my pockets and staying the
most profitable sports franchise in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's it. And then if he's Okay with that, then
so be it. But he does set a precedent.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, he says the president to the coaches, he says
the president to the players, and.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The way he conducts himself when it comes to business.
But it is what it is. The Cowvi's America scene.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I heard Emmitt at this docu series, yeah the other
night when he was at Netflix, and he was talking
about at some point in time, it comes down to
the players, because that's what we did. So who are who?
I want to know? The Emmitt Smith, the Michael Irvin.
Michael Irving was the leader of the team. Yes, and
(16:00):
then you had Hayley, and you look at the guys
that you had. You had Jimmy, You had Jimmy, and
then y'all got d on. If you don't get d on,
y'all not gonna be serving. If he stayed in San Francisco,
gets who win it San Francisco, He's flipped the ballance
of power. Yeah, y'all don't have the level of players, Dammit.
(16:20):
I'm sorry you don't. You don't You look at you
look at the defense that they had back.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Then, well boy reloaded, right, they were loaded.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Look at that offensive line they had been easy. They
had Larry Allen, they had Nate Newton. I think they
still had step I think two and they were still there.
Man stopped down offensive line, y'all got Troy was probably
one of the most accurate quarterbacks, especially for that time. Right. Different, different,
(16:58):
But you gotta realize Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking
back there in either of the Jimmy. Jimmy wasn't having that.
That's why he got Jimmy up out of there. He
wasn't doing all this talking. I don't know about you, Joe,
but I was in the league. I was in the league,
and I know it wasn't no twenty four hour news cycle.
But in press conference, they didn't have nobody. They had
(17:20):
no mice in front of Jimmy. I mean in front
of Jerry. The mice went in front of Jimmy and
it drove Jerry crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Damn that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so strong.
You ain't gotta say nothing nothing. We're gonna talk about
it regardless.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts, people on the street.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I don't remember. I don't remember you. Hey, you ever
hear mister Craft talk prior to the Super Bowl out
hear him talking the ABC Championship game the trophy or
that too, and that that that when you getting the trophy.
So he normally getting trophy when he's talking. Yeah, yeah,
Jerry talking to himself talk talking. Man, I forgot what
my boys hurting like. I ain't been on no, I
(18:13):
ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in
a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So mhm, you heard what you're heard with Denzel Washington said.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
With that opinionaires he know about the other you know,
he's oh he's talk about Jed Jared. Oh, he said
Jared about making money.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I believe too. I believe you can do two things
that I don't believe they have to be mutually exclusive.
I believe you can make money and still win.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The Patriots did it for twenty years. The Chiefs has
done it for about a decade now, right.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But then you know his retort to what you just
said would be they made money, they won sulos, but
I'm still the most profitable franchise. Yeah, would that much
rather be number one in that area? If I can't
be number one on the.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Field, Well, the Cowboys. The Cowboys America's team when they
didn't have Jerry Jones. So what is he talking about.
M He didn't name him America's team. They didn't they
had the stadium with the with the with the hole
in the top so God could watch his team. He
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didn't do none of that, right, So this notion that
he created this, he didn't. All the teams have exponentially increased.
I mean you could for what one year's salary, what
a quarterback make, you could used to could be able
to buy franchise. Go back and look at some of
these franchise what they paid for. Now that was I mean,
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that was a boatload of money back then in the
Earth seventies and you know, uh that was a that
was a boatload of money. But I'm just saying, and
today you know they ten x, fifteen to twenty x
their money. Oh yeah, so Jerry probably even fifty x
to his money. But with that being said, I don't
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believe that you have to do all that. Jerry wasn't
like this. Like I said, Al Davis was his mentor,
That's who taught him. He's Al Davis. Al Davis has
always been a maverick always did things his way. Uh,
And you know, he's like, I'm moving. I'm going to
l A. No, you gotta get vote. I ain't got
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to get nothing. It's my team. I bought it. I'm moving.
And he sued the league to move and he sued.
He he just I'm going back to Oakland. No you're not.
You got to know I'm going by I'm suing. And
that's how Jerry is. Jared's like, nah, I'm not gonna
be a part I'm gonna be a part of the
collective bargaining when it comes to let me excuse me.
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I'm gonna be a part of the revenue sharing when
it comes to TV. After that, I'm on my own.
I'm gonna do my own independent deals. He has a
deal with PEPSI, he has he has his own deals. Uh,
he has his own merchandise. He's like, no, I'll do
that revenue share when it comes to TV. But other
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than that, because I can do a better job than you.
Had no problem with that, but it's unfortunate at the
end of the day, bro, Right now we do it
as talking. Yeah, you ain't collecting no trophies. The Second
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US Court of Appeals in Manhattan rule that the NFL
can be put on trial over civil claims that Brian
Florence and other black coaches face discrimination they beware of.
Twenty twenty two, Florad sued the NFL and several teams,
saying the league was ripe with this racism, particularly in
its hiring and promotion a black coaches. Other coaches later
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joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. O Cho, I don't know
how close you follow this, but I've always felt the
way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair
and gud. If you've heard me from CBS, I was
on their decade. I was with Fox for seven years
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and you and I like to use this analogy, Oh Joe,
if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to
go appeal it to the chief of police because it
was his department that gave me the ticket. I've always
thought it was unfair the NFL hands down this punishment,
and if I want to go appeal it, guess who
I'll appeal it to the commissioner or someone he appointed.
(22:33):
How is that fair? It should be an independent body.
That's why they have a court system, That's why they
have the post that they're two separate with equal entities. Yes,
sir so, I've always felt this was a very, very
unfair practice. They've always been able to hide behind Article
forty six. But you gave commission and he's everything. He's everything.
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He's the jury, he's the judge, he's everything. That is
so so unfair, even if you have these broad latitudes
of power. I've always felt the commissioner should get out
of the punishment business. Let someone else handle that. Let
it be an independent body of the NFL, and the
NFL PA should have an independent body, because you're never
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everybody feels they're gonna get a they're gonna get an
unfair hearing. If I'm appealing to the head of the
entity that headed down the punishment.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But this is this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Let's let's understand the ecosystem and the power and the
powers that be when it comes to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Let's say, if it does go to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
An independent body, do you understand even with it being
an independent, independent body, independent body, a separate entity away
from the NFL, do you know who still.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Controls the power?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you know how they're going to be swede still
where justice is still not going to be due even
though it's a different entity. Do you do you understand
that understanding understanding the power structure that you're going up against,
the chances of winning are slim to none, whether it
comes from the commissioner himself or whether it's a different
governing body.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I do believe I have a bet. Let me ask
you a question. If I get a speeding ticket, do
you think I got a better chance of going to
the court or going to the Chief of police and
having him hear it? Because think about what happens when
when when police officers do something wrong, it's few and
far between that their own department I am Internal Affairs,
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or the governing body that represents the police, the union
discipline them. Yes, you're right, there's a greater chance that
the court. And now you look, but the court system
has said, you know, hey, who that any threat, be
it real or perceived, Let that sink in real or perceived.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yes, you have to understand.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you know, well, for those that don't understand, maybe
on the outside looking in, even with this ruling now
being able to be or go to.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Court, they they're gonna appel it now.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Even if they appeal it. You understand the animal and
the power structure that you're going up against the machine.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Have a question, Hu, Yes, in the history, in the
history of law in general, how many times have the people,
even those that have been discriminated against, even those who
serve right and deserve justice, how many times have the
machine laws?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred. That's
imagine if God and the King would have gotten disturbed, deterred,
or all those people that marched in the fifties and
the sixties hadn't gotten heard rolls aparts, if he had said,
you know what, ain't nothing gonna change, So let me
just go ahead and give them my seat up. You
know what.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. Right, I'm
glad you just said that.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So everything we've been through in the fifties, right, the sixties,
all those that sacrifice, yes, we had won that sacrificed
even recently, brother Kaepernick, Yes, take your knee, Yes, standing
for something. Yes, I have a question for you. Yes,
has anything changed since then?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
In the NFL?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, no, not not the NFL in general. Es with
everyone you just named with fifty sixties, seventies, eighties. Yespening
has anything changed, yet.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It doesn't seem like it. Oh Jo. It seems like
if we take a step forward, we take a couple
of steps back.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
If you talk to me, think about your grandparents, then
your parents within that same situation, and you said, ain't
nothing changed, So your minds with just stay in the
same liberty city, do what they did and not try
my damn despite to improve the situation. Now where would
we be?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We we try our damnage to improve the situations, right,
that's what you can do. Talk to Wait, let me
stay with me real quick. Now, there was a time
in the fifties in the sixties where they were able
to wear their hoods. Huh, yes, daylight, in broad daylight,
because it was accepted. So now they've gone away from
that part. So the hoods are gone. Yes, Now they
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wear roads. Now they hold apples, now that they have
suits and ties on. Now they have positions of power
to where Okay, it seems like things that change or
things may be different, but it really hasn't because now
they're just in positions of power and controlling everything, and
that's what they do, and that's that's what the system
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is to me. It's all about understanding the system.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And being able to fight it. Being able to fight.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And understanding that I'm going to do all I can
to try and improve the situations around me.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It makes some type of impact.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But the way the ecosystem is built in general, the
way it's structured, it's built for you never to win.
But they were they would never allow us to ever
get in position to be able to make that change.
And the ones who do that look like us that
happen to get them and wear the suit ties too.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You got to play by their rules.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
But see what you did. You see what you're saying.
But when we get a chance to get in that position,
do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder?
And says I'm up on the top of the roof now,
so I'm good, I'm up here. I don't want nobody
to look like you joined me up here.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
They say with one more time, though, listen to what
I said. When they do allow you and put you
in positions of power, you have to play their game
by their rules.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's why they're even letting you get in that position
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at it oo.
Think about a system that's been in place for as
long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle
a system that's been into place for one hundred years
in thirty years, you're not.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know, I know one thing, that system that's been
in place for how long it's been in.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If they allow you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
To be in that position of power, you better play
by their rules, and there's an understanding that you have
to do that in order to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But I mean that this is this is a great topic.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know, I'm not wanting to really talk about policy
and stuff like that, but I can go.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I can go now.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But I love I love the fact this is nah
because they said because if you go back and look
at the ruling, he said, the judge like, ain't no
chance that this is fair under no circumstance. Even if
he weren't to appoint someone, it's still him. So you like,
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an arbitrator that he appointed is going to rule against
the man that appointed it. Right, you're right, make it
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Now you're right again.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We go back. I got this feeding ticket, and I'm
going to the I go to the chief of police. Okay, well,
guess what the chief is not gonna hear We're gonna
give it to the corporal. He'll hear it. Hm, he's
still no, no, no, no, no. It needs to be a
separate body. That's why the police they do what they do,
and then guess what your job is done. We go
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into court. Yeah, and now we have a whole different
body with twelve men and women that's gonna determine it, right, Yeah,
because if it was left up to the police, they
would have one hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But just I'm in this case what happened with brother
brother flore Is and other culture that look like US
minorities for that matter. I love that they're standing on
Bennison General and they're gonna get in court, but I
also do understand the other dynamic of it and understanding
who you're fighting against.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah. Oh, they got a lot of money. They can
throw a lot of Look.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
The funny thing about it is the thing about it
is not even about the money. It's the power in
which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're
not at faull because that fight that they're fighting about,
it's still going on today with opportunities not being given
to certain individuals that look a certain way.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Also when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still
prevalent in today's game as well.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I don't want to dive deep in and go into
it and going in depth. But there's so many different
layers I can peel back, right that I choose not
to do. But listen, only a blind man, Only a
blind man when not understand what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Choose not to understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Those that can see and don't know and gonna and
are gonna play maybe naive, yeah, and dumb to the
situation when the facts are clear as day that you
can see, Come on nine, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But uh, hey, the man gets to have his day
in court and we'll see what happens and then you know,
you go from there. But I can assure you they're
going to appeal this. That's a battle of Supreme Court
has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders head coach
John Ruden in his appeal against the NFL. Ruden will
get discovery and a day in court. A legend that
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Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email
leading to his firing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, and hey, hey, now that's that's another one that's
going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to
be interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, you can't you can't appeal. And now they might
appeal this to the Supreme Court. Right, they might supreme
because the batt of Supreme Court say naw, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discossed because, oh Joe, you
gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had
a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal they fired.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Though.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You know when coaches get.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Caught they didn't pay him because they cars. He got
fired for cars.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So they're probable cause and getting fired and that that's
like a player getting in trouble. Condact, get him into
the team. We can take that money back. Okay, I
didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if if
they went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely
would not. The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right
because remember, you take one, then everybody else feel like
we got in vulnerable. We got it. We we can,
we can jump on will get all it takes. Look
how big the giraffe feels. All it take is for
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one lion. Yeah, the weigh him.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Down and then then come to rest everybody else.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch
it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch it nap.
Catch one napping. He don't let it to getting too
late to day and he's still rested and they catch him.
But for the most part, one of those big males
jep on his back. Yeah, it's a that's four hundred
pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that, and
(33:57):
here it comes. But look the NFL, they've made it
a buried upon the leclear in the appellate court against
Brian flor Is. They're gonna appeal. I can see them
appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Sota, Okay, he absolutely lives. Oh Joe cam Hayward is
open to setting out regular season games in search of
a raise. Cam Hayward, who is the twenty second highest
paid DT, said he's looking to be value. It's hard
for me. After the year, I had to really justify
playing at that number I'm playing at. Hayward said the
team asked him to take a pay cut last summer,
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they ironed out a reworked deal instead that runs through
twenty twenty six. Hayward responded by bouncing back from an
injury Mar twenty twenty three season to finish with eight sacks,
seventy one tackles eleven pass defense as the Steelers went
ten and seven and reached the playoffs for the fourth
time in five years.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Hey listen, Cam, Hayward said, I can't play a fifteen
million now. Those that are on the outside watching fans,
NFL fans, oh, the first thing is to say, oh,
my goodness, you can't play on fifteen million dollars. They
don't see it from that perspective of actually being an athlete,
being an All Pro player, and being a d tackle
that I'm not sure when it comes to the tackles
(35:17):
where he's ranked when the company tackles in the NFL
right now as far as where he should be stated
that next Lawrence one of the betters, the Ed Oliver's
one of the better, and.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
He's different because he's a five technique because they are
three four defense. So he's not he's not like in
your typical like a Warren Sam. He's not like what
like Aaron Donald, what Aaron Donald was in the forty three,
He's a three for He's more of a JJ Watt.
He's a five technique, right, And so don't I don't
want to. I'm gonna try to keep it simple. But
if you notice, they got two lives, they got a
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nose tackle, they got two ends, and they got two linebackers,
so they got four linebackers, Sam and the wheel, a
mic and a plug, and they got three dollars alignment.
He's what we call a five technique. He's a defensive end.
But he played a five technique, not the three technique
or what we call the under tackle that Joe Green
made famous, and the Warren Sat, the Johnny Ramdas and
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those the Aaron Donalds, those type of guys. He's a
five tech. And so with that being said, but the
Steelers saying, hold on, bro, we just redid your contract
last year.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Last year. Yeah, but they asked him to take a
pay cut. They asked him to take a pay cut.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm assuming because of his injury and his play might
have been down. So is it warranted that he gets
a raise at the making.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
One year deal? I agree with you, Ojo. Look yeah,
I'm just from a Steelers perspective. Okay, Joe, you come
in there, You're like, hey, bro, I want to ay man,
I need such and such. Well, you know, o Joe,
you didn't have the best year. Now, okay, so what
you're thinking, well, uh, how about this. We're gonna tell you,
(37:03):
we're gonna we're gonna do this. We're gonna give you.
We'll give you twenty nine We'll give you twenty nine
million for the next two years. Well that's the risk
that you run because what he didn't expect was for
the defensive market to explode like it has. So now
what looked like a really good deal is like chicken
(37:25):
feed to him. So now you get Miles Garrett, you
got his teammate making forty one million, Miles Garrett making
forty you got a Nick Bosa, you got Max Crosby,
you got the nail hunter, you got Michael Parsons, you
got all these guys. And he's like, hold.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
On, yeah, you can't. He can't compare. He can't compare.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Himself because he played.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
He has to compare himself to the D tackles that
played a five technique.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You look at even the D tackles. Christian Wilkins was
making twenty five twenty four million. Look at Dexter lawd
give me, give me the top five highest pat the
D tackles.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'm curios because I'm not jeff Jeffrey Simmons got to
be up there too.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Over the Yeah, Simmons large. Christian Wilkins was making twenty
four and a half million. You get picked up.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Okay, I'm trying. I'm trying to think who else D tackles.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
D tackles Oh v by via Ved gotta be top
five paid as well.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
But him being at twenty two that that's that's that's tough.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's you's singing to me. Yeah, I agree to ojo
is that you know you're looking at guy, I mean
at defensive players. You got like, okay, D tackles. Okay,
where the D tackles market, the D tackle market is
in the mid twenties. He's like, bro, I'm at fourteen
and a half fifteen.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So what would make it happen? What would make them happy.
You think maybe eighteen because.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Jones, Chris Jones is the highest paid at thirty one
seven fifty matter Beach Jwains from The Bravens twenty four
and a half, Ola McNeil from Troy twenty four, twot fifty,
Derreck Brown Carolina twenty four, Quinny Williams twenty four, Simons
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Jeffery Simmons. I don't know why I call it, keep
humming Simmons simmons Is twenty three five, The far As
Buckner Coats twenty three, de Ron Payne Washington twenty two five,
Dexter Lawrence twenty one eight seven five, Kenny Clark twenty one.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I got I got something for you right here.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yea. I'm gonna tell you how the Rooney is thinking.
I'm gonna tell you what Tomin is thinking. Hold is
Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Cam Cam came in and in twenty eleven, so he
at least thirty six at the bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They they're not they're not They're not doing it.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
They're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I did everybody, you everybody you just named. Are they
even thirty yet?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Jones is.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Jones is the best Jones that Chris Jones is the
best best d tackling in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You know Chris thirty one, but I don't think Matta
beek Way, I don't think McNeil, Quinny. I don't think
Quentenny is is quenty thirty. He might be.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Thirty six.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Come on now, Queen Williams twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Damn listen, Quinn. You remember Quinn Williams with you on
on Draft Night? Yeah, sneeze and he said he blessed himself. Hey,
but thirty six, I mean listen.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And I see O Joe, it's gonna be hard for
them to put put him in that situation. And because
he's like, okay, fifteen, can you give me the twenty?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Okay, what twenty?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Oh? Maybe you know what we can do. We can
give something to signing bonus.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
We'll take some of the money on the back end
and bring it on the front end and put it
into a signing bonus.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So done, But guess what that does. Take That takes
off next year's cap. That takes money off next year
by sally, And now that fifteen is ten. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Hey, I'm just trying to find out way.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I know it's going to be very difficult, but knowing
him and him saying he's gonna stand his ground and
not play. That's gonna be tough because now you're going
into a season where you're trying to compete in the division.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
You have Aaron Rodgers, and the defense.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Is stacked with all the people that you just added
your identity. Now I'm not calling you a goddamn still Curtain,
but with the t with the players you have on paper,
you should be very good and be able to weekend
and week out, especially in AFC North and against other
teams that you do play agree and you are an
intricate part of that defense. Is the captain that matters more.
(42:11):
You're one of the captains of the defense.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Damn man. That's that's tough. That's tough for the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh Joe, remember the other night we talked about Dalvin
Cook and I say his value somewhere between eleven and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Hey, I say, I say, I said thirteen to five.
So where do you call that?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What? James Cook? James Cook twelve twelve, four years forty eight.
I said, the max they'll probably be is four years
fifty two. But I can see you know, eleven, eleven
to thirteen, he's gonna follow us somewhere eleven thirteen, I
say not. He got not the fifteen. He ain't breaking
up bred.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Right, listen, got he got thirty.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
He's gonna be all right. See that thirty every dollar,
so he's gonna be alright.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
But hey, he's like, nah, y'all not going to get me,
y'allen to give me something in to play on this contract?
H CAMPB. Cam Ward believes he has a top five
receiver corps in the NFL. Right now, Oh Joe, do
you believe that the Titans have a top five receiving corps? Uh?
(43:16):
Top five Eagles.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Let's let's go through.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Bucks Bucks Uh Lions.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
One of the packers in there, Lions packers.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Vikes, I said, when Terry mclauren comes back, him and Debo,
even though they haven't played together, we know what they
can do.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
They've they've shown enough over the years.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
What about the Rams, I mean, we're pooking the cop
in DeVonta.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Rams, pok pooking the Core and DeVonta Adams. Obviously we
know what dolphins, oh, Tyrek and water?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
What about the Bears?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Dj Burden you know he he oh? Hold on, we
know a title lock you could do we know that
Calvin Calvin really is that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Does they doude? They have a top five receiving corp.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I wouldn't say top five, That's all I want to hear. Yeah,
hey they have. They have a very very good receiving
Calvin really though p.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
F F has them at the third worst receiving corp.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For real bait.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Listen, look Browns based on Browns, then the Patriots, and
then they got the Titans.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I see, Oh that's tough.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I just know they wasn't five.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, you got you gotta believe it ain't not top five.
But you have to say that you're for You have
to have to feel that way about sometimes.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You got a lot to him, O Joe, A lot
to him?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Hey whoa how did we even mention Ceedee Lamb and
George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Man?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
We didn't, but you did, So there you got.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You gotta feel that way though.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, for sure. If you don't believe that about your team,
who will, right? And who's the.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Number three over there in Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Now, now you got me thinking, Tyler Calvin, Really, who's
the number three?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Chad?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Who's the number three? Somebody tell me who's the number
three and.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Uh number three to the number third. Wivet Van Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Okay, okay, Van Salad. Van was with the Ring.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yes, with Pittsburgh. Where was you last year?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah? I said, since he first, I said, since I thought.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He was a Pittsburg last year old Joe. Yeah, Cam
your look, I appreciate you pumping up your squad, but
y'all not top five. I'm not even sure y'all top
ten when we when we really get down to and
we start naming, naming receiving cords.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Oh, Joe, hey, I know one thing. Cavin really is
that boy.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
But it's more, it's more than to make over to
make a receiving course, more than one. That's about the
Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders
head coach John Gruden in his appeal against the NFL.
Ruden will get discovery and a day in court. A
legend that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked
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his email leading to his firing.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
H yeah, and he's hey, now that's that's another one
that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's another one that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, you gave you can't appeal. And now they might
appeal this to the Supreme Court, right, they might supreme
because the battle Supreme Court say nah, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discovered because oh Joe, you
gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had
a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal. They fired.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Though.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
You know when coaches getting.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
They didn't pay him because they cause he got fired for.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Cars, So they're probable calls and getting fired and that
that's like a player getting in trouble. Contact, get them
into the team. We can take that money back. Okay,
I didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if they
went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely would not.
The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right because remember,
you take one, then everybody else feel like we got invulnerable.
We got it. We we can we can jump on
the will gain all it takes. Look how big the
giraffe feels. All it take is for one lion. Yeah,
(47:58):
the weigh him down and they are come to rest.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Everybody else.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch
it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch him.
Catch one napping. You done let it to getting too
late to date and he's still rested and they catch him.
But for the most part, one of those big males
jap on his back.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah it's a rap that's.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Four hundred pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that,
and here it comes. But look the NFL, they's made
it the bury upon the lyclear in the the appellate
court against Brian Flores. They're gonna appeal. I can see
them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota Sota.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
He absolutely lives. That'ster another joint practice fight between the
Ravens and the Commanders. The Ravens issued this statement. Recognizing
the logistical challenges with our team's previous game schedule on
different days and the added strain on players heading into
a short week, the Ravens and Commanders are mutually agreed
to no longer hold joint practices next week. Instead, we'll
(48:59):
constant right on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup. Uh oh, Joe.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, damn yeah, I like it. I like it. I
mean it's cool.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
But at at times, uncle, you get tired of going
against yourself. At times you get you get tired of
going against yourself. The funny thing about it is the
joint practices. They're going to be scuffles. There have been
scuffles in every joint practice every season, back the date
when I was playing. I'm sure there were scuffles. Oh
you said you guys didn't have joint practices.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
But we did. We did, Oh you did.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
But if it won't a joint practice, hell, you'd be
scuffling against each other.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Get it all out of your system now.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
One thing we haven't seen in a very long time,
except a few instances, is us as players actually fighting
in a game.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Now, hell no, that cast your money.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Here are a few instants they don't play. I remember
one time I can only count three. I can't remember
the receiver's name. Chat, you could probably help me out.
The receiver who got upset at CJ.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Gardner Johnson, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, and then like
when the play was over, got the receiver and then
I remember Odell and Josh Norman.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yes, now that that was, and the most.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshaun Lttimore.
I think Steve Steve Smith got into it with a
few people back and forth with nothing that really came
to blows like the ones I just mentioned and I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Cannot figure and Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
And Andre Johnson, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
And Classic A team, Khalid A team you said, a
key to Lee.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And Michael Crabtree. Outside of that, I mean that that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
It happens very very, very very very It didn't happen often,
but it does happen.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
A build up to it. This is something that happened
over years. It ain't just one game. Here is a
pattern and it's like, okay, enough is enough because Dre
told us he's like, man, he had been doing this
stuff for some years and they just built up and
it's just that day, like you know what, I'm finna
put my foot down. Actually I'm fin to put my
foot in his ass. And so it was a build up.
(51:17):
But you know, when you enjoyed practice, you got close
proximity because when you flying, you got flying The BWI
Baltimore Washington International Airport it's fifty sixty miles, right if
that so you know the close proximity, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Everybody say were the toughest, we the baddest, and we
(51:37):
get it right. I just for me, I didn't have
that kind of time because I was exerting all my
energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey,
how we doing this? We're doing it snapped the whistle
or snapped it after the whistle. I just need to
know so that way, Hey, I'm clear on how you
play it, so I can play just like that. And I, hey,
we're not finna do no shoving or so how we doing?
(51:58):
Are we protecting each other? And throw your ass over
the pile of what we do? And I just need
to know because I can do it any kind of way.
I'm gonna make sure you're not the one thing A
karma's got got a lot better lot. Karma used to
take years.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Sometimes Karma instant, Oh yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Like INMSTACR. You know you just like dang, I don't
know how I'm gonna get this. I got to go
to the grocery store. You can already, now you can
EMSTACR and stuff. I guess, oh yeah, and they'll bring
you exactly what now. Sometimes they bring it to you. Yeah,
most definitely. But uh so, I guess I guess the
Ravens and and and and and the uh the commanders
(52:35):
they had a joint they were having joint practice and
they've just been fighting.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Huh damn.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I saw some footage on Twitter today where it was
a big scuffle.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm I'm assuming they use something maybe from last year,
because I haven't seen any scuffles of recent But I mean,
this is smaller than the coaches.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
You know, prepare for the game, prepare for the.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt. Hurt.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Definitely, you get somebody hurt because Dan, somebody get hurt.
And if it's a key player, right, oh, ain't gonna
be no more practicing at all. So we fight every
snap we fight.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You know, Look I get it because a lot of times,
because you know, we're doing nine on seven the dbs
and wide receivers doing one on one. He who win, y'all?
Y'all got him?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
May healing these foods down here.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Hey, listen, that's what
we got from the Titans. The Titans and Falcons. They're
joint practice.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
They going at it back and forth because one Tennessee
player said, Okay, they got us today, but we're gonna
get there ass tomorrow exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
If that's what Mind said.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
At the end of the day, it's all about competing.
It's all about competing.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Those that have already made the team.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
You want to make sure you look good and be
able to put on the show in that joint practice
and let him know I'm still him whoever it is,
and if you're not him, I'm trying to make a
name for myself right here until I get to do
it on Sundays at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If I'm not here, I'm trying to be him. But
in the meantime, o Jo, you're talking about we're gonna
get the ass back tomorrow. Coach ain't trying to hear that.
He gonna curse me out for the next two hours
in meeting, right right right, So I got to hear
his mouth first of all. I had to hear your mouth.
How y'all dealers at on the practice field, and then
I gotta go to meetings, gonna get it from Mike.
I'm gonna get it from the O C. I'm gonna
get it from my position. Coach. Nah, bro, you're not
(54:20):
gonna do that. And now at one point in time,
now we might get as a team because I can't
control everybody. I'm just one of eleven. But when it
comes to my one on one matchup, coach ain't gonna
do nothing. Pat me on my back and say good jobs.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Huh. I need that. I promise you that I need that.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Listen, they coach're gonna be a your coach, You're gonna
be needy, gona have foots in your butt, not mine.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Absolutely Listen. They call it a team game.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Uh, yes, they call.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
It a team game. They say it functions well. It
functions well when you play as a team. But what's
fail to realize is when you break it down, all
it is is eleven.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Players, eleven individual matchups, eleven individual matchups, and when each
one of you win that matchup.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
It works. Wonders. It works wonders.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
But the funny thing about it is, sometimes there are
weaknesses in that eleven.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Week to week, there's always a weakness somewhere. Yes, so coaches.
That's what coaches come to play. I know what this
player does well, I know what he doesn't do well.
It's a chess match between coordinators on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
How do I hide the weaknesses and put certain players
in position to make plays?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Right? But it's even even, and joint practice is scripted
because they want to look at certain they want to
stick look at certain formations against certain defenses. You want
to see certain defenses against certain formations. So everybody's trying
to do everybody's favor. Now we don't go okay, eight
nine oh seven, a good solid thud, pad on pad,
(55:53):
square up. Just tell this met me know, Hey, you
going across the middle. Hey, guys gonna put pads on
you and they're not gonna take to the ground, but
be prepared for a collision.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, get yourself.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
I'm cool with that. Now. If they done told us
one thing and all of a sudden you want to
be a hero, Okay, don't worry about it. I get
you back.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, it changes everything.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
You damn right, it does because you're not finna get me.
And then you go over to you the sidelines and
slap head and slap high fives don't worry about it.
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Shannon Sharpe
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