Best of NFL News Part 1: Rico Dowdle talks REVENGE game vs Cowboys, Titans FIRED Head Coach 6 games into the season!

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho react to the Tennessee Titans firiing Head Coach Brian Callahan 6 games into the season. Plus, Panthers RB, Rico Dowdle and Raiders LB, Devin White both join the show!

0:00 - Panthers RB, Rico Dowdle, joins the show!
12:51 - Raiders LB, Devin White, joins the show!
37:44 - George Pickens addresses upcoming free agency
53:06 - Titans fire Head Coach Brian Callahan 6 games in

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho craw We
got a very special guest joining us. He had a
monster game the week before. He told his former team,

(00:22):
y'all buckle up, buckle up, buckle up, and Lord and behold.
He came and gave him that work one hundred and
eighty six yards. I think he had over two hundred
and thirty yards. I think he had like two thirty
of a total offense with receiving and running the football.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Ric o'dondell joins us, recall how.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You're doing, bro, Man, can't complain how you're doing.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I'm doing amazing. I'm doing amazing. Bro.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
All all this will already before before under starts.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
My first question, My first question to you, would you
come into the game like that, obviously saying what you
had to say, giving the team bulletin board material before
the game even started.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Did you have a chip on your shoulder? Did you
have a chip on the shoulder go into that game?

Speaker 7 (01:03):
Oh yeah, for sure, you know that was one of
those games I had circle early on in the season.
But I think I always played yeah on my shoulder
since since coming in to the league, so always chip
on my shoulder when I stepped out there.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, I was surprised because you said this. They know
what look you were there, so they know what type
of person you are. They know what type of running
back you are. Do you think they underestimated you? They
was like, man, this Rico just doing talking. Man, Rico
ain't fitna do none of that on us. What I
mean because obviously you said it. I mean, you just
came off a monster performance the week before and you

(01:38):
called them out. You said, hey, buckle up.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
I probably they probably underestimated me a little bit because
they know, like you said, they know I talked to like,
I'm gonna talk a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
He actually told me that before the game.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Sam. I talked to Sam for the game.

Speaker 7 (01:52):
He was like, I told him Sam. He was like,
I told him that just you you're gonna talk da dada.
I don't know what the chat was in the locker room,
but I don't think they relayed the message to the
four I got.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I don't think they did for sure.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Yeah, you, I think obviously, r D. I've been I've
been high on the Carolina Panthers for a very long time.
Obviously before the season started, I continuously said it over
and over and over. For those in the chat that
are watching, I'm not sure if you heard it. In general,
I was very high on them, and I said that
they were they were one of the two teams to
watch this year, and I said they was surprise everybody.
You guys are playing extremely well, and after last week's game,

(02:35):
what is it that you guys need to continue to
build on to make sure everything continues to go in
the right direction, headed headed towards it.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
Yeah, I say, just really playing complimentary foot complement in
football all three phases offense, defense, special teams. I think
that's one of the main things. Is just like, as
long as we do that, I think we'll be fine.
Not hurting ourselves how we did early in games, having
to dig out of the whole early if it was
turnovers and things like that. So I think if we
do that and just continue to do that and be

(03:04):
able to execute, keep executing that a high level, I
think we'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, how disappointed were you?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
You came in, you run for over a one thousand yards
and you're like, man, I had a good season. Okay,
I'm young and ain't got a whole lot of milage
on me. I know they gonna call. I know they're
gonna break your boy off. I'm gonna be able to
stay here. I got I'm settled here.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I like it here.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
They know what they got with me, I know what
I have with them. And then come free agency and
I don't know if they called you. I don't know
if they lowballed.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
You.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Walk us through your thought process. After the season ends,
you have your exit meeting with your running back coach
and maybe the head coach, the general manager. Walk us
through the steps up until you made the decision you're
going to Carolina.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
So they never made an offer at all in free agency. Yeah,
they never made an offer at all. So just going
through when we got out, my agent and we obviously
thought we would get something here back from but they
just to kind of teen, They like, go test the market,
let us know what you're hear, and then come back
and let us know and we'll see if we do
something with it. So it was that kind of situation.

(04:07):
They told me to go out to They're gonna let
me test the market, And so I didn't tell you
liking of that because I thought maybe what I've been
through there in my five years and what I was
able to do once I was given the opportunity to
run the ball, what I was able to do, I
thought maybe they would have an offer, but you know,
they didn't, and it worked out for me in this way,
and I'm getting a show now, so happy.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Why I may know.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
With them telling you to go test the market and
they'll see that probably kind of left you feel in
some type of way, like, nah, bro, if I it's like, bro, hey,
you tell you girl, you go test the market, if
you find somebody out that you like. If somebody liked
you there, I bight up back and take you up.
But if you you welcome the goat, no, bro, you
set me free.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, definitely don't work like that.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
But yeah, it definitely definitely left Uh.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
I wouldn't necessarily say I was just too disappointed because
I know the nature of the business and how they operated.
I mean, I was a free agent to give before
where they pretty much told me the same thing, but
I ended up signing back there, So yeah, I just
know the nature of the business, so I couldn't take
harp on it too much. Just know I had to
look for the next best opportunity for me. And while
I can go make an impact.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
You look at the situation.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Dave Kanals, your head coach, he was very noncmeale to
Troobe Hubbard is coming back. You rush for three hundred
and eighty nine yards in the previous in the past
two ball games, four hundred and seventy three yards of
total offense. And he was like, they ask him Sunday
after the game, He's like, hey, Rico's playing extremely well,
we're definitely gonna have a package.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
But he didn't say who's going to start.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
When that first offense run out there on the field,
is a Rico running out there?

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Well, no, we'll see Sunday when the game coach, And
he adn't really put too much into it, but he's
just saying, we'll see when the game come. We're gonna
go through this week and then when the game comes Sunday,
we'll see.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
And you know, and honestly, honestly, that's not a bad
thing when you think about it. Obviously, I know you
want to you want to be the starter, you want
to be the one to get the bulk of the carriers,
or you have a two headed month like you and
Hubbard back there like that, it opens up everything else. Man,
because of what you did last week. You don't you don't,
you don't understand. I mean as a player, I think
you might get it, but as a as a fan
of the game and watching and understanding that and played it.

(06:18):
But what you just did last week, it makes it
that much easier for whoever's calling the players, whether it's
Dave or was the officer coordinator.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
You made bright young job either.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
You made every receiver t Mac and Lego and Hunter,
you made all their jobs either. Because now when you play,
oh well, goddamn already in the game, safety.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Man, come on down in that box.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Every time, every time, every every time you in the game,
the defense is checking to something different because you are
the one threat offensive that you got to worry about.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, for sure, I definitely, I definitely follow what you're
saying there.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
That's one thing's going I think it's gonna help us
spend the whole offense play ass and they gotta respect
to run.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Think it's gonna for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh yeah, So what if your coach, what if coach
canallys their head coach. What if your running back coach
told you, okay, you know Hubbard is going down, this
is your opportunity because you know you split in carries
and you know he get hot and you might not
get the amount of carriers because running back, I mean
most skill position is all about rhythm, and it's hard.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
To get a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
You get one carry, you get a carried the first drive,
and then you might not get another carriay to the
third drive, and then you might have five carries in
the first half and.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Only get two.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So now what you could be in the big time
running back, the full time running back.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Now you're able to get into a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
What if coach told you say, okay, just make just
make sure you stay keep your head in the game,
make sure you stay ready. Is that some of the
things that your coach and your position coach have related it?

Speaker 7 (07:41):
Yeah, so yeah, I'm going into it. Only talked to
my running back coach about it. He is like, okay,
just kill your ops. You know, when the opportunity, the
opportunity is presented itself to go out there and show
what I can do.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Just make sure I made the most of it. I
think I was able to do that.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Absolutely one year deal. So would you like to remain
with Carolina long term or you like, Look, I'm gonna
take it one year at a time. I'm gonna go
out here and play my absolute best this year and
then I'm gonna let the chips fall where they may.
Ain't nothing promise the only thing I can promise you,
I'm gonna give you everything I got, every down.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Out exactly, Yeah, exactly, so exactly. That's how I'm saying that.
Just go out there, take it this year and then
see how it goes. Just got to be productive. I
know it's a production based business. As long as I'm
productive the rest of taking every So.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Do you look back, do you ael like, yeah, that's good,
y'all should have kept me.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you look up at your.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Former team and you see them struggling, and you're like, yeah,
that's what you get. Do you mean because I understand
that you have friends over there. I mean you still
use there for five years, so you do. You have
built relationships, But it's not like I want you all
to have success.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Nah, I don't really look at it like that, Like
you said, a lot of those guys my friends, I
ain't really rooting for the rooting for their downfall and
the dude they got over there, he's been having a
pretty good season too.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
So yeah, he lost pretty good season too, But.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
Yeah, I'm not really I wouldn't really be rooting on
that down I want him to win and things like that.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
All my friends there, but I just wanted to beat
them when we played them. Help you out with this.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You had an injury in your career South Carolina, you
were you, You had a lot of injuries. How are
you able to stay healthy because normally if you limp
into the NFL, you're gonna limp out of it. You
had injuries in college, but for some reason, you've been
able to You've been able.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
To stay healthy in the league.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Yeah, I think that was one of my biggest things
coming up of college, injuries, just not being able to
stay healthy. But thankfully I never had no injury where
it was I think longer than like ten weeks recovery.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
That was my longest injury. But yeah, in college, just
had a bunch of knicks and.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
That's and broke my fibula and uh, to my hamstring,
had four knee surgeries sports damn.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
God, damn, you tell me about you ain't had nobody
to keep you out ten weeks broke.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, the longest one was ten.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
I broke my fibble of like week five my sophomore
year college, played in the bowl game.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
But yeah, that was like my worst one I think
in college.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
But I'm like eight surgeries deep though, But just saying
eight yeah, eight surgeries, did.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
You think, Like, Damn, I got buzzled. Look, I can't
catch a breath.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Sure, that's exactly what I was thinking, Like, I don't
know what I'm doing wrong, why I keep happening.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
But yes, it's just getting in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
I think those first couple of years just setting out,
taking the time of my body and figuring my body out.
Really that's what allowed for me to stay healthy. Not
just figuring out what worked best for me. Drop my weight.
Played at like two twenty five in college. I played
like two ten, two fifteen now, So just figuring out
what worked best for me.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Heyeh, eating all that college training table.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Hey, does it ever be in the back of your
mind when you're playing, like trying to be cautious and
a little hesitant based on you know what you want
to do, or you just you free wheel, don't even.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Care about the past injuries and you just go out
there and just go out.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
There and play.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
I'm trying to bring the punishment. I don't really think
about that at all. Yeah, think about it up.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Look you with the game. Let me ask you a question.
Who is your top five?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Your top five running backs in USC all time game calls?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Top five all time? Mm hmm. Now you're gonna have
to put Marcus Lottimore up there for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, okay, Marcus, You got Deuce Stanley, Okay, who else?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, George Rogers gotta be first.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, I don't know how George Rogers. And then you got.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Twenty two, twenty two, I don't remember, I don't remember
all name.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Don't.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Harold Green. Yeah, that was that was, that was before
your time. Yeah, George, George graduated, George graduated, Tod eight
graduated left and eighty.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
So wait for me. I'm born in ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Hey man, Rico Man continued success man, Congratulations on a great,
great start to a new year, a new team. You've
been playing unbelievable. Keep up the great work, Stay prayed up,
stay positive. Good things have happened down the road. And
when you make the Pro Bowl this year is one
of those NFC running backs. Come back and tell us
how you do.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Appreciate Hey, Hey, do me a small favor. Y'all got
practiced for all right?

Speaker 6 (12:32):
Man, teller receivers, man all together at the same time,
telling boys, I'm betting the house on him this weekend.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, letting boy know, Telling boys, I say, keep pounding bit.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Alright, appreciate that. We appreciation appreciate your stopping by. All
right man, Now it's time to welcome former Pro Bowler
Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he won that
award and he was a Super Bowl won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Uh, Devin White, Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Damn?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
What's going on? Man? Dad?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
You can't you can't hear he.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Muted right now? What's good? What's good?

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's what's up? Hey, hey man, thanks for coming on
with us.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Oh for shure man, pleasure man, appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Man? What'shout? Baby?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
What's good?

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Man? Just cooling, man, just cooling.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Hey, let me tell you something I don't mean to be.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
I don't need I don't mean to be thinking ahead,
but I would just talking with unk right and then
a certain player. I love what y'all have on offense, right,
but I mean no disrespecting them boys.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
We would just talking about next year, right. What you
think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas, Tell
me that doesn't fit you. See listen, stay with me,
stay with me real quick.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
You see how mac crosby being a raider, it just
fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents, what
you think about, what you think about George Pickings over there.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
He definitely got that charisma.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
I know what I'm talking about. Man, Okay, we can
get back. We can get back to business.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Den. You gotta help me understand this.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
With all the early success that you had at Tampa
Pro Bowls, All Pros, Rookie of the Year, when the
Super Bowl, I thought you were a lifer because you
fit the Derrick Brooks, you fit the Rendez Barber, you
fit the John Lynch, you fit the Warren Sapps.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
A physical football player, Jample known for defense.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
They're physical, Lee Roy and salm arrested soul, physical defensive player.
Why and then and then I know you heard if
you didn't hear, somebody sent you with Jason Light said,
had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even
I wouldn't have taken him.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
What went wrong?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
How?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Why and how weren't you able to finish your career
in Tampa?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I think.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
Personally, I think they just weren't ready to, you know,
give up that bad You know, obviously they know it
was time after my fourth year. You know, everybody knew
the numbers I put up, the accolades I had, and
I wasn't trying to be selfish, but I was just
I wanted what was due.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know. I felt like I did everything right there
from on the.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
Field, off the field, in the community, being a team
captain every year, and when I asked to get me,
you know, I got looked at crazy, you know, and
I just I don't know why. You know, nowadays, players
getting paid after three years, they'll go in the first round.
And I had to go fight it out on the
fifth year option for what when I already had, you know,
even with Levonte David Dog on the team, I left

(15:32):
the team and I left the team in tackles. You know,
I got turnovers and you know, made big plays. And
then obviously, like you said, for him to come out
and say what he said, Man, we hosted a Super
Bowl Trophy together, so none of that mattered. You know, Well,
he know he'll do it again because I helped him,
you know obviously, you know on that run that we made.
You know, I feel like I was a key part
of that. You know, no cocky work.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh,
I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles
in the postseason out of any player, and I missed
one game, I missed the Washington game. Go look it up.

Speaker 8 (16:02):
And on the next three games, I was double digit
tackles every game and you know, getting it in for real.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah, and you know you know it too, and and
and this is one of the things I don't like
about it.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Don't like about the business side of things, even even
with the numbers, even when you do things right, not
only on and off the field, when it comes when
it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid,
they always look at your funny. They look at everybody funny,
even those that have the numbers, even though they have
the stats, and it's the same conversation with the better
players on each team all the time, every year.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Is the same thing.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
You always have to fight tooth and nail for your value.
You always gotta fight tooth and nail for what you're worth.
Despite putting up the numbers, they gonna find something. They're
gonna put something in your contract, They're gonna they're gonna
they they're gonna talk to your aging crazy and just
just just I don't know, I hate that side of
the business. But listen, I'm glad you got what you
deserve and you're doing your thing.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
How does pointed were you?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Because, like you said, you hoisted a Lombardi Trophy in
your building together. You you the ups and the downs,
and you you know, you had some setbacks, and you
like you accomplished all these things. And I'm sure because
when we had you on my own show, you talked about, Hey,
I'm gonna be a life and you know, like Sam
and I see Brooks, then when they come around and
I see their names up in the stadium, that's what

(17:22):
I want for That's what I want for d White.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah, I think I was very disappointed. Just you know,
like I said, I'm always piggyback off the one tape.
You know, he do everything right. That's my big brother,
like to this day. And I thought I was coming
in to like take over the roll and be the
next grade one after him. Obviously he still ain't slowing down.
He's still going and bro we both made All Pro
team together. We was always in the top one hundred together,

(17:47):
and led the team in tackles together.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
And I just thought I was gonna just be his successor.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
But you know, at the end of the day, I
was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I wanted to be.
But that also made made my hurt hurt a lot
worse because I had already started counting my eggs that
didn't have yet in Tampa, and I was and I
was down in like I got I still got a
place there, and I was about to buy another spot
across from my place to.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Just add on and just make this my forever home.
That's gonna be my home.

Speaker 8 (18:15):
Yeah. And when that don't happen like that, man, that hurt.
That hurt a lot. But I mean it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
When you found out Tom Brady, because there all of
a sudden it started to be speculation Tom Brady might
be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
You're like, hold on, tom.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Brady, that was in New England, tom Brady, you try it.
Got just won six Super Bowls and ben to nine.
That's been to all these Super Bowls and got all
these accolades. He might be coming to Tampa. For hold on, Bes,
stop playing y'all. For real, Tom Brady might be coming
to Tampa. Because if you look at it, you guys
had an outstanding season. James turned Jamis had three for
five thousand yards. But it's hard for a defense to

(18:53):
overcome thirty plus turnovers from one player.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind,
man if.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Man Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with
this defense, boy gonna it's gonna be tough for somebody
to beat us.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean we knew getting him that we could
be really good, you know, just him just being in
complete control of the offense.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
You know, the turnovers did help. You know, James did
a lot of great things.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
Saluted him, you know, but we was the number one
run defense team in the NFL my rookie year.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know, we was kind of hit a missing the past.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
You know, we was kind of in the middle of
the bunch, so we just knew we were just missing,
missing a complete offense to be able to go do it.
And then obviously, you know, him coming there bruns a
lot of expectations that people was willing to rise to
the occasion.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know, That's that's another thing.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
When you get a person like him in the building,
your play level just go up times twenty got you
know what I'm saying, because you want to meet his standard.
You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know,
being on the team, being in the building, and you
know you just kind of want to be all in.
Then obviously we had got some key guys. You know,
we got his tight end. You know, we had got
a great receiver out of Florida. You know, that end
up helping. You know, we had a couple of d

(20:01):
line and come in to really kind of put our
defense solidified defense, and we was rocking out. You know,
we had a lot of young guys on defense too.
But you know that's part of it. You know, people
just getting thrown in the find just and accepting the
role and going to go get it.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
What were your practices, like were they challenging because were
you talking smack to him and he talking smack to
y'all you guys, because it seemed like, you know, you
got Tom Brady, you have those, you got God, when
you got Mike Hervis ab you got grownk you know, hey,
you don't want to get blissed. Hey, y'all in fit
to do that? What y'all been doing to them? Y'all
infini to do that does? And they're like, well, what
y'all did to that team, y'all nothing to do that does?

(20:37):
And so y'all just going back and forth, and so
you're raising each other's level. I think I think the
best part about it was it was two things. I say,
the secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady, like
we knew you could pick.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Him in the game, so you want to try to
get it in and practice.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
And then I think for just the overall defense, we
had to be able to disguise like harder than ever
because he had seen so many looks in his life.
So that what made our defense even better. We was
able to disguise and play different coverages from different you know,
different looks, and I think that helped us like, you know,
on the back end of the season, because we just
had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to

(21:15):
perfection with our disguises because you got to trick him
somewhere because you don't.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
And I think and I think that help.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Like even I remember in the playoffs and to go
to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rodgers was playing
trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and
holding the number two receivers. I'm running with the one
tape on our routes and stuff, and we sending you know,
boundary pressures and you know you can't pick it up
because you don't know who dropping, you don't know who's going.
And that's one thing our credit to Todd Bose is

(21:43):
he never stayed the same weekend the week got He
always added to that playbook.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Adding to that playbook you're in.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You go to Philly really doesn't work out us, Like, man,
you know he'd be.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Good and phil why why?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay, well tell us why?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Now?

Speaker 8 (21:58):
I don't know, though, truthfully, you know, I feel like
I feel like I went there with a fresh mind.
You know, I was around a bunch of guys that
I you know that was in my high school class
that I already knew, and I went there, you know,
just go, you know, just go get it back on track,
you know, coming off that foot injury of my fifth year,
went to all the OTAs. That was new for me,
you know, being in Tempa with an older team, we
didn't really do many OTAs.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
You know. My second year was COVID.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Third year or fourth year we had you know, Tom Brady,
he didn't he wasn't you know, he did his own thing.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
So we did our own thing on defense. So I
was pretty much locked in.

Speaker 8 (22:29):
You know. I started every game, I mean started every
practice of camp OTAs. I was there, and you know,
after the second game, I'm in the second preseason game,
you know, they called me up, you know, coach Vick.
You know, they say we're gonna go into COVID, and hey, hey,
I do what y'all gotta do? You know, I said,
I asked him, what what did I do to you know,
keep this job out? And had all screen. He said,

(22:52):
this is just the decision we're going with and I
respected it. You know, hats off to Zach and the COVID. Still,
my guys, I was still in there for four weeks,
you know, just giving them all the you know, the
gym that I had. You know, they was playing New Orleans.
I was familiar with them, and I was just being
a probe about the situation. That's why you never heard
nothing bad come out of that situation. It just it
just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who they wanted.

(23:13):
And respectfully, you know, we moved on and it is
what it is. You know, I don't do well on it.
You know, I still got incented about that Super Bowl run.
So God is good. You know, I was on the
count four weeks, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, it's been a rough start for you and for
the team in Vegas. You got Jamal Adams who moved
from safety. He was a safety now he's a linebacker defensive.
You got Max Cross, but everybody knows who Max brains
to the table. So so tell me what's the transition
been like for you from Tampa to Philly. Now you're

(23:47):
here and Raiders, and you know the Raiders, you know Al,
I know they got a lot of slogans. His famous
thing is the quarterback must go down and he must
go down hard.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah. I think the biggest transition is just you know,
it's just a different style of play than what I'm
used to. You know, I always been assimilated pressure type
of guy, from uh Dave around in college to Todd
Bows in the NFL, and just coming to this new
scheme and just kind of you know, being a little
more zony. You know, it's been different from me. And

(24:17):
you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike
and Will. I was rotating the first couple of weeks
because we we were trying to get different guys on
the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, I Rob Jamal,
and myself. So I was the guy that was going
for Mike, Mike and Sub and I was playing Will
and base and then I was a dime line back
and so stuff ended up didn't working out with my

(24:38):
guy Pratt. You know, he went to the coach with
his old defensive coordinator from Sincy. And now I'm back
at Will. And that's why roam and my first game
at straight Will this past we run got them out.
I was able to go get it, you know, so
that's that's a good thing. You know, Hey, stuff happened
how it happened. But you know, you just always find
it good in it. But at the end of the day, man,

(24:58):
I think we we we can here the stride. You know,
we're starting to find out our identity. You know who
we are because you got coach Pete and you got
coach pg. They clashing together, two good, defensive minded guys,
you know, trying to find the identity and that I
think that's what's going on.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
So I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
The thing that I was always impressed with you, dev
is that your ability to close the suddenness.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean when you like when they when they bring
you on pressure you. I mean you get you.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Arrive in a hurry, and you arriving with bad intentions.
I mean when you when you get to that point,
bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what
is your mindset when it's like you said, they sent
you on a blessing. You like, I'm a pressure I'm
a pressure Mike. I'm a pressure will. I'm a pressure
Mike backer. Yeah, because Codd blitch you a lot. He

(25:47):
knows he gonna get you on the line on a
running back.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
As I'm gonna win. Nah.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
I think that's the thing, you know, just growing up
one from a small town I never played for a
coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers.
With with all my coaches there, they all played the game.
That was the first time. So I was able to
just add more tools to my bag, and I think
that was one of the things. They was like, bro,
you got speed, and you just got a billy a

(26:15):
knack for the ball. You know how to go get it.
And man, I took pride on it. I was like, well, look,
I'm gonna focus on this because turnover was winning games,
you know, so obviously with him blixing me, it's like, hey,
go get the ball.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Don't just go get a sack, Go get the ball.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
And then obviously when I'm in coverage, you know, that's
that's the main thing too. But you know, just as
far as just being a guy who can go get sacks,
you know, I think I've done that well since my
you know, since I entered the Leak entered the NFL.
I think I got the most off ball sacks as
a linebacker with like twenty four twenty five, so and
that's missing a year of ball last year. So man, look, hey,

(26:50):
I just hey, I can go get it. I take
pride in it. You know, when I went to go
sack Kim Ward, I was thinking ball the whole time. Like,
you know, you get a sack, but a sack from
a better Exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's just not good enough to get the quarterback down
if I can get this ball while I'm at it.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
What has it been like?

Speaker 6 (27:09):
The difference obviously living in Tampa, you know for a
while as opposed to being in Vegas.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
You're like Vegas better.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
Oh no, I ain't gonna sound like Vegas the dryness.
But I think Tempa. You know, I'm a country boy,
so you know, just being in Tempa it was a
city field, but it wasn't too big, you know, the
life wasn't too big.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
It was still fell homey to me.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
And obviously being there five six years, I can drive
around Tempa with no GPS, you know, just being there
so long. Yeah, I think I think that that's still
having settled in, you know, and just being out here.
I'm still new, still learning, but I mean it's nice
out here. The biggest thing from both cities no state
income tax. That's a blessing right there.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
See, your month, your living expenses is saved in the
taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
Else trying to tell you so because we love horses.
I love horse, but you can't bring them out here.
But well out here it's driving to.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
You.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Got if I'm not mistaken, I think you got American
saddle horses, a marriga standa breads, stand of bread, stand
the bread. So you got working horses. Yeah, obviously you
can raise them on the track. You could do a
lot of pleasure round with them. I do both, man,
I tapped into this umige world. I'm with the Umbish community.

Speaker 8 (28:24):
They do a lot of buggy horses with these standing
bread so they not just one dimensional.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
You gotta people, what what what? What? What?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
What?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Hold on buggy? What the hell you?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Hey? Whatever, it's good And that's what I'm trying to be.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
You know that people they don't go by Richard Miller's
and phones and all that they spend. They they spend
their green on horses. So I'm trying to be a
part of that culture too.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
They eat man, horses eat you out of house at home.

Speaker 8 (28:53):
Yeah, check them out, sweet feed you know now. But
but the Umbish community, you know, they take pride on horses.
Horses are their cars. So yes, you know, instead of
them going to buy their wife a new porst, they
go buy them a new nice horse to drive to
church and to the stores and you know, whatever function
they have and to their family houses. So I done
got there real big with a with a bunch of

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armised communities, and and I'm making my mark over there.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
So that's probably where's the armis community. That they got
an armised community in the Louisiana town.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
I'm in Illinois, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, states like that they up there?

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Oh, ain't you ride horses? Oh yeah, I'm like that.
I'm like that.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
I rode a horses across Raymond James after we want
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Okay, I be rid now.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
No, Now you're going to Mexicalo and ride when you
just you Cadillac and I'm doing No.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I ride for real.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Okay, we're gonna Tamna. We're going.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
We're going thirty mile power not even moving in the seat.
That's the type of riding we're doing.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
That ain't what you might want to google me, man.
I ride horses. I ride PBR bulls, I ride for real.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, he do a little he do a little up there, Dal,
but you got to tell the backdrop of the story
of the horses and how you got in the store
horses because you you were dealing with something, you went
through something in your life, and horses helped you, helped you.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
Deal with that. Yeah, for sure. Just being in a
small town where I come from. You know, growing up, man,
it ain't really much to do around now A lot
of people, that's what a lot of people do, you know,
But growing up I end up losing my brother at
a young age.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I want to say, I was like eight or nine
years old, and.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
That's just what I used the COVID and you know,
you could be at the barn, you know, you take
a lot of off your mind going to ride and stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Man.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
So I think that horses has always been a good
coping factor for me. And then now, you know, just
as I got older, you know, I enjoyed, you know,
my son enjoyed and man, we kind of make a
hobby out of it.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know.

Speaker 8 (30:53):
We go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi.
I guess on the south, the south end of the world,
and we go back and we have fun. Man, We
do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man,
we out there and join ourselves. So hors has been
a big part of my life and probably gonna continue
to do it. And more guys in the league starting
to starting to get to him. I got Ed Oliver

(31:13):
do it's able to get he on it. The mere
White that played with the Raiders, he own it. And
you know Xam Howard, he just retired to be.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
With his kids. But also he done got into these
horses too.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
He down there in Miami, but he from you, but
he got he got all this horses in Miami, and
I sold him some horses.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
So that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting
real around.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Hey, Hey, what's what's the number on them horses?

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Were we talking about?

Speaker 4 (31:37):
This depends? Man, We'll get you some by twenty gree
you know, little something, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, but but to tell the other part about how
much the Yeah, they't eat a lot though. Then in Miami,
you know, y'all ain't got the best resources for hay
and feed. Y'all got to get it shipped in, you know,
like we do in the South.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
We grow it. You know what I'm saying. So it'll
be a little more special.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
But it's worth it though, you know, when you when
you got something that brain, you piece, money don't matter.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah, you're right back.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
That my daughter, man, I don't I don't know where
it came from. You you in the city, the fact
that she loves horses so much.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Hey, but we got to show you about these stand
up breads though. Bro, it's way smoother. You know, you
can you can ride at a higher speed. You know, you
can bring it down and slow. I'm gonna seend some videos.
You're gonna be very You're gonna be very pleased with
the work. You know, a lot of people don't know
about standard breads because they do a lot. You can
do jumping with them, but you also can teach them.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
What we do is.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Single foot, you know, speed ragging, single foot. I'm gonna
teach you about that. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna put your own you know, new clients. See you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
You uh, you gotta so how many horses do you
own now?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
By sixty something?

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Sixty?

Speaker 4 (32:50):
But I'm in the business though, I'm in the bit.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I wanting to be okay, okay, Oh, so you breathe,
sell and all that other stuff. Yeah, I'm just collected.
I'm doing it for real. I got a whole get
line state with ll C.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
We do in the for real.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
So do you have do you have any pulling horses,
ships anything like that?

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Nah?

Speaker 8 (33:06):
We just got straight, Like I said, the buggy horses
with the armies world.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
I got the pleasure horses that I do.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
And then obviously we got the racehorses on the track
that's pulling the bugget but they they racing, they racing them.
Oh you got them all like like yo jo, he
got the same hor standard bread y'all.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah you go. You know that.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Give me a good idea since you got horses. Christmas
coming up. My daughter loves horses. So you know what
I'm finna do.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
We're gonna put it in the game. We're gonna talk
on the back line.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
We call it the back line, put out the business
on front street.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Let you boy, yes, yes, sir? Are you are you
gonna get the fair brands? Maybe get to the Derby
or something. Man maximum one. I told Max, let me
get this next contract. We can we can do something,
we can do. I mean to get some good blood lined.
They gonna you know, you gotta come out. You gotta
come out a billy or two.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
Oh yeah, man, he making thirty five, he got it.
Just I'm gonna just make it. I'm gonna oversee everything.
You know, I'm a bit department. Make sure he don't
get screwed. No, well, we'll be at the dirtman by
two or three years. Check us out.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Have you ever been to the Derby?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Nah? I never been.

Speaker 8 (34:15):
I just told him, Man, if I go, I want
to host it. One year, they let Miller host it,
and he do chickens. He don't do horses. So I
felt disrespected because I'm a horse.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
That should have been your call. Yeah, that should have
been me.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
So whenever they let me host it, I'll be there
because I can talk about them. You know, I can
give you a live update on what they doing. I
actually did it when I first came out at the
New Orleans Track, and I think I did a good
job and I put the suit on and everything. So
I'm ready to take that next step. So if y'all
see this, invite me to the Derby. You know, and
I got y'all, it's gonna be a great experience because

(34:46):
I actually know horses.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
And I'm an athlete myself.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So let's talk about your college l s U good.
You think you guys got a chance to make the
college football Playoff? Can y'all win the SEC?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah? I think we do. Man, we gotta we got
a real good defense. Man. We get our quarterback healthy.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
You know, obviously he was one of the best quarterbacks
going into this thing, but kind of battance some injuries.
But I think he gonna shake back, and you know,
he gonna get us back on track. But as long
as our defense keep getting turnovers and holding people out,
I think we're gonna be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Man with Devin Man, congratulations on your journey.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Look, things don't always look God don't make no mistakes.
He put you, and you went through what you went through.
You're stronger for it. I'm happy for you. Continue success.
Stay healthy. Yeah, and you know when you stay healthy
and keep doing what you're doing, you know what's on
the other side.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Man, I'm trying to get one of them them gold things. Man.

Speaker 8 (35:38):
That's how it's important to me. Man, Hey, that's all
that's important to me. That we played this game for Man,
all the other stuff gonna come. We already been blessed tremendously.
You know what I'm saying, just gonna keep having fun
and making sure we're doing things the right way.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Man. So I appreciate y' all for having me.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Man, Yeah, you don't have any other You don't have
anything else.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Chicken, pigs, just man. Now, I just do horses, man.
I got dolls, but man, they just what kind of
dogs you got? I got blue Hellers, I got blue
Australian cattle dog.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
They know what. So and I just got off a company.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Bro. I don't even work them.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
I just got them just to have company on the
fall because I got like eighty acres back in Louisiana,
and this off season I plan on buying like one
hundred another hundred that's not too far.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
And man, that's what I do. Man.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
I like being where it's peaceful. That and I still
got my land in Florida too.

Speaker 7 (36:27):
I go out there and train, and I got a
born out there, you know, Denser on the backside of Tempa.
And I go out there, train, take horses, and enjoy
myself out there in the summertime as well. So even
though you know they got rid of me in Tampa,
I still got my You still got roofs there, You
still got got my roots there. All right, man, congratulations
and all your success. Stay healthy, man, and come back

(36:49):
and talk to us again.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Dell.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I appreciate you, man, appreciate you. Devin White, linebacker for
the Las Vegas Raiders. I misspoke earlier. What's the dude name?
Nick Bosa was defensive Rookie of the Year the year
they came out. But he had he was off to
an unbelievable start, O, Joe, he was, he was, he's

(37:12):
still and he's he's starting to look back. And as
I'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like
the Devin White that you remember, uh, when he was
when he first got to Tampa. Sudden impactful, you know,
dropping in the coverage and blessing the linebacker. He's getting
back to that Devin White, and I'm glad to see
I'm glad to see him find a home, uh being.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I think Grantham is the d C and.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Pete Carroll both defensive guys understand how to use linebackers
and coverage and the disguise things.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
So and then congratulations, oh Joe.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
George Pickens who said to become an unrestricted Fridge, and
after the season praised the Cowboys but noted he also
wants to showcase my talents. Pickens was asked about staying
in Dallas long term and said, I wouldn't mind it.
The guys in the locker room are super cool. The
energy is great. But like I've said, I always want
to showcase my talent. Most definitely Pickens, who turns twenty

(38:12):
five next March, figures to be one of the most
sought after receivers in free agency should he hit the market.
On Tuesday, Jerry Jones did not want to get into
whether the team would like to open talks or a
new contract with Pickings. O Jo, Yeah, Pickings gonna walk
somewhere between thirty two and thirty six million dollars.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is he staying in Dallas or Jeorde? Is Jerry gonna
hand him walking papers? Let him walk?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
If I was him, I wouldn't even play it. I
wouldn't even want to be there.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
Honestly, I'm just saying that just me personally, I want
to maximize my potential. I want to maximize my earnings
and go somewhere else where I can I can contribute
he said about you want to show your talent.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
We know he's gonna need to be the number one.
He want to go somewhere and be number one. He
want to be number one there. I mean, that's what
he is.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
That's it's that they're they're in a great situation. Obviously,
it was unfortunate that Ceedee Lamb got hurt where Dak
Prescott had two number one receivers. But he needs to
go somewhere else to maximize as much as he can
get be that number one, continue to build his career
in being the number one player.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
And Cleveland that that he that he knows he can do.
Where you said Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Cleveland, they need a number one receiver. I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to think of places. Oh the Raiders.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
Oh, I like, hey, wait a minute, do you understand
how you understand how that marriage right there would be perfect?
George Piggins NFL, young boy at the Raiders know that
that is a great match.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
That's a great Yeah, for sure, that it makes sense.
It fits, it.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Fits him, his persona, his image, you know, being Hey,
that is perfect.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Pete Carroll a Pete, I'm not tampering. I'm just telling
you ahead of time.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Gino Smith, you know where he'd be good at to
Ojo the Giants, Oh until until Jackson Dark.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Neighbors, they got neighbors, neighbors coming back. Number mind not
there all right? Hold up, let me see.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Atlanta got Drake London London.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Uh, Tampa got in Buka, and they got Godwin, they
got Mike New Orleans, they got a Lave Shaheed.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
But I think I mean me personally, I think George
Picking is better than both of those guys.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
Different different, different type of player, different receiver. I I
like the I like the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I love the Raiders. I love like that.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I like the Raiders idea honestly, all.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Things being equal, the question is do they like Zay
Flowers or do you like George Pickens?

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Who?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Because both of them gonna be up.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Uh huh, pick going and pick going to the Raiders.
I'm telling you, I'm putting that in the universe right now,
because I mean that that Ceedee Lamb team over there
in Dallas on this helmet.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Uh, the Coats need a receiver, damn Okay, like the
coach with that with Indiana Jones.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Yeah, I like it. I like it. But they kind.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Of say Tennessee, they're not said what what?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Oh yeah, ude, I mean they got Pitman, they played,
they paid Hipman downs.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
They're good. They're good.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
They got a nice little squad, nicely and they you
know what, you know what I like about the about
the coacht receivers. But everybody has a different strength. Everybody
has to defonstrate. Everybody does something that the other doesn't.
So I like what they have right now, I'm telling you,
Pickings to the raider, You're.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Right for me, right, you know what? Oh yoe? The Patriots, no.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Man, no, no, no, no, no, hell no.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
No, I don't like Drake may No, no, I like
I like. I like Drake Maye. But they they got
they little they core like.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
Pickings and Patriots that.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
No, don't put him in that environment. Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
No too. You don't like that structure. It's too structured.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah no, don't put him.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
In don't put him in that environment.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
No man, hell nah, hell nah?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
What I mean?

Speaker 7 (42:48):
What?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
So what what do you think as far as the
market open market? You're thinking? I mean, what numbers that
we're looking at somewhere thirty.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Six based on what I'm seeing right now from him
and what he's done in the past and what he's
probably gonna finish with this year. He's probably gonna get
some beteam thirty four, thirty six of.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
The open market. I'm telling you it's gonna be Pete Carroll.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
It's gonna be I'm not his agent, but I'm gonna
be responsible for him getting over there over there with Gino.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
So Gino got somebody to get that thing to.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
You know, give me what you.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know, keep turning the ball over, Geno, It's gonna
be there throwing it to it. You better stop turning
the ball over. He got ten interceptions in the six games.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. See you
know you know what would probably relieve some of those.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Interceptions him not hitting other guys in the chest or.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Having a target like George Picking to throw to rock
Bar Still hurt rock Barers, still hurt her.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
He is damn.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Look he's engaged. He knows the Cowboys are gonna throw
the football. He know he has a quarterback they can
get him the football, and that he's getting more opportunities
because CD is. If CD is down now, a question
is when CD comes back, Well, you still get ten
eleven targets a game.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Normally the ten eleven twelve targets go to CD.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
So let's just say, for the sake of argument, oh yo,
we take five of those four of those targets away,
and so instead of getting ten eleven twelve, he gets
six seven eight. Can he still give us? I mean
there will be games that he still can give you
one hundred. But if he can give us, you know,
seventy a quick, seventy quick, eighty a tub here or there,

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he gonna get paid. Oh Joe, the guy is gonna be.
He's gonna be twenty five the start of the twenty
twenty sixth season. He ain't even he ain't even. He
not even close to his prime. He ain't even got
a prime in me. Whon' we hit his prime for
another two years.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
You're gonna he's gonna get it.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
Listen, And I told you, I told you, didn't I
tell you when I talked to Pick last year, didn
I tell you what be no more problems? Yep, you
ain't had and we ain't had a problem yet. I
told you, and I stand on that. And he's gonna
get rewarded, not only for for for I hate using
the word good behavior, but being a professional. But you're
gonna get rewarded for your play on the field, not

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what you're doing off of it. You're gonna get rewarded
for your play on the field tremendously. And I know
you're gonna see this young bull. Stay locked in, keep
the main thing, the main thing, and you're gonna get
what you deserve.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I got a place where you can go, well, Green Bay.
Josh Jacob said, they need.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
A number one.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
I like, hey, that's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Jo Jacob said, they need an Let me.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Let me, let me, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
No, let me tell you something.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
I look at the Green Bay offense the same way
I look at look at the Indianapolis coach where they
all by committee in each game.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
You never know whose day is gonna be. You never
know who's who day is gonna be.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
It might be it might be with, it might be God,
damn read come back, It might be Dobin.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
You.

Speaker 9 (46:15):
You never know that.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
So I like what they have over there. I like
that little young sister they got. I want him to
be that man over there in oh in Las Vegas.
It's just gonna be him. You ain't got to worry
about nothing else. You know, every game you get Tenny,
them targets h going crazy. Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Pete Carroll, what we talking about? I like it?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I like, uh look, I like I always thought he
was talented. I thought he was imtly talented. The catches
that he's made, he's tremendous, run after the catch. It's just,
you know, sometimes you need to change the scenery.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Ain't just seeing her he had he had worn out
as welcome in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was you know, oh Joe,
it was they were Pittsburgh and George Pickens were sick.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
They were sick of him, and he was sick of them.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
So when you get a situation like that, the best
thing to do is to go ahead and part ways.
They were able to get some they were able to
get something for him. He was able to get a place.
They're gonna throw him the football. Now it worked out perfectly.
I hate that CD got hurt in order for people
to see just how good George Pickens is, because I
think the thing is is that you know his behavior,

(47:33):
his petulant behavior, you forget that he's an misleg talented
receiver ceed going down, he got an opportunity to showcase that.
I don't know if CD's back this week or when
CD's coming back, but he's put enough on tape to
make people understand, to let people know, Oh he for real.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Now I'm him, He the real deal Him.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
We'll be talking about. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Jerry Jones says he's open to make a trade before
the November, before a trade deadline. We have thoughts all
along that if we see a way to improve this
year with a trade, with a trade at the deadline,
then we'll take advantage of it. If there's a trade
that will help the defense, we're in position to make
that trade. I want to remind everyone one of the
great things about our trade we had with Green Bay

(48:19):
is that our tackle makes about twenty two million a year.
He cost us two cost him two million dollars up,
We're getting a twenty something million dollar player for two
to three million right now, and he's playing by as
well as anybody on the defense.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Why do I bring that up?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
That alone has increased our flexibility of being able to
look at potential trade right whereas you might have had
the had cramps before. So we're in position to look
at that trade and that means we're going to make one.
That doesn't mean we're going to make one. But Jerry saying, oh, Joe,
we have the assets, we have the cap space. If

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there's somebody out there that can help this defense.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
At the deadline, we go do it.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I mean, I wish for thinking I told you that.
Does that strike me as something Jerry would do?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
But yeah, the question is, ok, Joe, is there Charles
Haley out there?

Speaker 6 (49:15):
No, but listen, they have a problem stopping to run
And I told you who to go, get.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Some of you to go get over.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
There in Tennessee. He went ninety eight. He nice a
very good run stopper.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
And listen, I'm not sure who the mic back is,
but you should have a feast. You should have a
hell of a time if Jerry makes that move and
go get brother Simmons.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Jerry just he just keep throwing shade. And we got
a detagle that's making two to three billion dollars a year.
You know, Okay, Jerry, you got off Michael. You didn't
have to pay the two hundred million dollars. It's moving along.
But guess what, Yeah, those picks that you got you're
gonna have to give them up if you you want
somebody to trade deadline that can help your team, because

(50:03):
I know you, I know you don't think somebody just
gonna hand you over one of their best defensive players
for what they said, Oh you got three first rounders,
you want this player where you had three, now you
got one, or you give up one of those first
rounder and a second round or something. But the question

(50:23):
is that Simmons available because Simmons can stop the run
and he can rush the passing right, So the question
is who's available and what are you willing enough to
get what?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
What are you willing to give up to get him?
That's what that's all about.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Oct you have the capitol, you have the flexibility, and
you have the draft capital to go to satisfy.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
But think about this, even if you do have the capital,
who are you gonna who are you gonna go get
that's gonna make a difference, that's gonna make a change.
They can put a dent and some of the issues
that you have right now, I mean who it would
have to be if if it would still have to
be a big name, it would still have to be
a name that going to cost you, because anything else

(51:10):
outside of that is just going to be another body
and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, and
just going to be another body that's it taking up space,
not someone that can actually make a difference for you
defensively and change the trajectory. Look, ooh, I'm messing up
my words trajectory of your defense.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Look, if I'm Cleveland, Jerry, give me three first rounders
on the second round pick, I'll give you Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Well, then you put yourself right back in the same
situation you would have been in if you kept Mic
and paid Michael.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
So you you right back in the same boat. Claim
this is not what we need.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
We got better, Jerry said, we got better when we
let Michael go.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
If I put my finger, if I put my finger
to Jerry's back and says, who's better, Michael, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Who you think Jerry's gonna.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Say, Matt Miles Garrett? Okay, Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Am I right?

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I believe He'll say, Miles Garrett, I get what you're
saying to you say, well, okay, you gave up all
that you what you acquired, so you got a very
similar player.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But I believe Jerry believes that Miles.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Garrett is an upgrade of some stand I'm not saying
head over heels, I'm not saying too but I believe
he's believed he's an upgrade over Michael Parksons.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Well, then it would still be the same thing because
also he said, I let Michael Parson go because when
we did have him, we didn't win the Super Bowl.
So are you saying Michael Parson's going to be the
one to come here and change Miles Miles Garrett going
to be the one to come here and change that.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Are you gonna win the Super Bowl? Are you gonna
get closer.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
To winn I'm trying to find difference makers, Okay, that
can help, That can help the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Who who is a difference maker?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Trey Hendrickson? Do you believe do you believe Hendrickson's available?
It is Jeffery Simmons. I don't know. We'll find out
howd On. Yeah, at the fifteenth. So we're about we're
about about nineteen days. We're about three weeks away finding
out what's gonna be available. Oh Joe, the Titans have

(53:12):
fired by Brian Callahan just Six games into his second
season as head.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Coach, his team was four and nineteen.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
The Titans were three and fourteen in Callahan's first season,
finishing with the number one pick and selecting.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall,
six of the past eight seed seeing their head coaches
fired during their rookie season Trevor Lawrence Urban Meyer, Bryce Young,
Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, cam Ward, Brian Callahan OJO.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yeah, what do you think.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
It's not the coaches. It's not the coaching, it's it's
the owners. A chat. Stay with me real quick and
understand this.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right,
the owners are businessman, uh and the stuff that they do,
the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football.
In the business world, the one way to fix it
is you throw money at it. You throw money at it,
and that return on investment it happens right away.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
When it comes to the game of football.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
It's it's saying a microwavable plate, you don't you don't
draft the quarterback, have a new coach and put them
out there on the field and think you all are
going to have success right away.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
That's not the way it works. That's never been the
way it works.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Now, sometimes you get a quarterback like you get a CJ. Shrouder,
you get lucky, You get a Jade Daniels and you
get lucky. You get a franchise altering quarterback right away.
That changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of
being a consistent the team that can win. But listen
Brian Callahan getting fired obviously first year with Camboard.

Speaker 9 (55:08):
It's not the microwave. It's same food.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
You can't just put in there and heat it up
and all of a sudden thing you're gonna have success.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
It just doesn't happen like that. It never has.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
They don't have patience, So Joe, they're not letting anything develop.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
You know I have.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I used to have a say, and I get my
chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch.
There's a process in which an add cash into a
chick lit these what these owners are doing. They're smashing the eggs.
They're not They're not gonna let it hatch. They fired
the general manager, they fired Brable. They fried Ran karth
On and guess what now they fried Brian Callahan.

Speaker 9 (55:44):
What are they doing?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
They don't know?

Speaker 6 (55:46):
They do my point exactly. So obviously they're not football people.
They're not they're businessmen. O.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Yo. She is Amy Adams.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I think the last is pronounced skunk sprunk drunk.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Her father, mister Bud Adams.

Speaker 9 (56:10):
But Adams, Yeah, okay, I know who that is.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
He passed away and turned it over to her. I
don't know how involved she was at the time. So
you inherit this business and if you haven't invested or
spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't
know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people
to run the business now, at least when Jerry passes away,

(56:36):
hopefully that's not for another hundred years. His kids have
been in the business from day one, so they're gonna
understand how this business worked.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
So they have been a part of it since he
purchased the team in nineteen eighty nine. They've been a
part of it. I don't know how involved she was
with it. Oh, and you're trusting other people. I don't
know how involved they were with it. So it's it's

(57:07):
it's it's it's tough, O Joe. It's tough, and it's
not like a uh, another business, because, oh joe, if
your business is not doing well, you just don't You
just don't sell it. You just don't scrap your a
start buying the CEO, start finding the VP to coo oh,
you don't start finding a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
You give it time.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
You have to.

Speaker 9 (57:31):
You don't have a choice.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
You have it like But those that are in positions
of power, I don't think they understand how the game
of football works.

Speaker 9 (57:39):
You're drafting number one for a reason.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Yeah, you're terrible. You drafted number one for a reason.
That quarterback is going to have its ups and it's downs. Yes,
I mean that's that's just that's the nature of the business.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Oh Joe.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
But it says, what but these young quarterbacks going to
dysfunctional franchises.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
If they was functional, he wouldn't be there. What the hell?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
You're bad?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
How would that be fair that Kansas City win the
championship and then they get the first pick in the draft.
The Eagles win the champions win the Super Bowl, they
get the first pick in the draft. We talked about
this the other day, is that the Lakers won the
championship in eighty two and guess what they got. They
got to select James Worthy number one overall.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
How is that fair?

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Right?

Speaker 9 (58:32):
Damn yes?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
So normally the best So normally the collegiate best player
of what is deemed the best player goes to the
worst situation because we want that guy to catch up.
If we just put the worst the best players on
the best teams, they would stay bad.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
I just.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
They just they're not gonna give it time on Joe.
They're just not gonna ge the time because you're gonna
have to pay these quarterbacks. These quarterbacks aren't gonna getting
three million dollars three excuse me, three hundred million. Yeah, absolutely,
And so there's like, but this is the problem. This
is the problem that scares me. If you only gave
Callahan two years, right, yeah, you get your drafted cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
I'm not sure how much timey, I'm not sure how
much how many years are on this rookie deal.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Do you have the.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Patience they got, they got four plus to fifty option.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Do you have the patience with him as well.

Speaker 9 (59:30):
So I don't know. Stuff like that scares me. It
scares me, especially.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
When your fire coach that early, knowing that you're drafting
or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason.
Bringing another coach and still not having the players is
not gonna change the goddamn thing.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't. I mean, hey,
Baker Mayfield, what U Freddy Kate fired doing Baker's rookie year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
So this is not, this is not new. This has
been going on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
You go back to the last you go back to
the last decade plus and go back and look at
them one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired
during that first year. Crazy because a lot of times
he was there the year before and nig get the
worky quarterback and they get you gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah okay, Hugh, Hugh Jack Okay, Okay. So see.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's this is this is not this is not something new.
It's been going on. But I think now we're starting like, damn,
what do you expect from a team that that let
Derrick Henry go? You didn't get anything for him, and
you traded away A J. Brown for trilling Brook of
Birds and now he's in the he's in the He

(01:00:56):
was in Denver, I think today or last week working out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
So do you think that is a team that is equipped.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
You let Derick Henry walk out the door, Scott Free,
You traded A J.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Brown, You the best you got.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
You had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable, and
you fired him.

Speaker 9 (01:01:19):
Damn, who's gonna be the next coach?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Well, Mike McCoy. It was on the staff, so he's
taken over. He was the head coach at the Chargers,
he was in he was offensive coordinator in Denver when
the Denver went to that Super Bowl and they got
the doors blown off them. Uh but he uh, he's

(01:01:44):
just said he was at the he was I think
there was San Diego then and the end up moving.
They went to the playoffs his first year, but then
he ended up losing his job. So he's the interim
coach at this point in time. I just don't think.
I just don't think, Uh, they have an idea. You

(01:02:04):
trade your best player, the best coach you've had in
a very very long time, you fire him. You're going
through two three general managers in a span of five years.
That's not that's not the continuity that you need in
order to build a winning program. I just don't. I
just don't. I don't know if they're going to get
it right this time around.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Y'all well, listen, listen if they don't, if they don't
get it right, we might as put I goddamn name Anhattan.
See we can come away with, get us a little opportunity.
You know, we could diversify our portfolio.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, I'm good, My portfolio is diversified.

Speaker 9 (01:02:39):
Okay, Okay, you don't it. Don't hurt that a little more. Now,
can you imagine? Shannon Sharp, manager Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I've made it abundantly clear. I want no part. I
want to cover the NFL in this capacity. I don't
want to work for an organization in any capacity.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Okay,