August 28, 2025 • 52 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are back on Nightcap breaking down the hottest NFL headlines! Unc & Ocho debate if Terry McLaurin was OVERPAID with his massive new deal, question Anthony Richardson’s FUTURE as the Colts’ franchise QB and much more
0:00 - Colts not looking to trade Anthony Richardson
9:44 - Commanders, WR Terry McLaurin reach 3-year deal worth up to $96M
30:21 - How Kyle Hamilton's extension will impact Lamar Jackson
39:11 - Paying Aging Players
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
M.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Chris Ballace said team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It
is easy to say, Okay, he's done. I don't agree.
I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I
think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good
for anybody, For for anybody, I do. I'm proud of
Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come.
He's come miles is tough on any young quarterback in
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this league. But for him to keep taking the growth
steps he has and works so hard and not get
the goals for himself all right now, continue to do that,
that's when we've got a chance to see real growth.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
You like that, old Joe, You like what he had
to say.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Absolutely, Also also from a business from a business side
of things, we know we don't we don't. We know
that the long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've
seen the small sum beside of what Daniel Jones was
the New York Giants. So all of a sudden, okay,
my bad, But to think that Daniel Jones to answer
long term, that's not it. So why would you trade
Anthony Richardson? He's only twenty three years old. He's probably
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going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes
other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Maybe gonna take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is
a blessing in disguise for him to.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Continue to grow, to continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And at some point if things aren't going well in
Annapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you
know who's not gonna have to come in and be
that savor for the rest of the season, Brother Anthony Richardson. Absolutely,
they would not let him go or trade him somewhere
else where.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
There is no backup, No, of course not. I think.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't think he's trading him now. Now we might
be having a different conversation next offseason.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, that's different. Now, that's depending. That's depending if.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Things right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us,
what type of growth maturity from the quarter that position,
being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without
the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from
time to time.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now that can save not just in job, but his future.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yes, so if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have
to take full advantage of it because he's not getting
another chance after this.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So Joe, he gets back.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
In there, and he doesn't, he doesn't take advantage of
this opportunity, they're gonna move on because it becomes cost prohibitive.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
For them to keep him on the roster.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So and you're never gonna get the value for I mean,
you took it with the fourth pick in the draft.
The fourth pick in the draft, O Joe, you do realize,
like that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in
the draft. You're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if
you're a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, any player that you're
taking it that high up, he's supposed to be fraying.
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If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver,
a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And and normally you hope, Ojo, you have to bench
a guy.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Now, we'll see how he took to the benching, because
we saw what he did for Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Bryce Young. Let's see if they can.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Have the same kind of impact on Richardson. Yeah, I hope, so,
I hope so too, I hope. So he's a talent.
He's a he's a phenomenal talent man. Once he puts
it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I mean, look, oh, Joe, but you look at it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A guy started he started thirteen games in college, hearted
started fifteen games in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's twenty eight total starts.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Most of the really good, really good quarterbacks you'll get,
you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton
that only starts one year of major college football thirteen
fourteen games and Cam or you'll get a Joe Burrow
who starts what fourteen fifteen games? And I think he
might have started in junior. I'm not sure if he did.
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I don't think he started more than twenty five games.
With that being said, but most of the time, these
guys you got to get, I mean not ain't a
whole lot of stars thirteen think about the Ojoe thirteen
stars and your project and you get your top five pick.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Do you know how mental letalented you must be?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah? But the bad thing about it is the NFL
is not patient because you have to understand people jobs
on the line. So when you draft the quarterback that
high that high and you're expecting to be not only
a generational talent of franchise changing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the Commanders
did it.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So not understanding look at me, look at any games?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
How many games Daniel started though, he started that gamn
in fifty games?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh Joe, yeah, yeah, And that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well, obviously there needs to be a little patience on
the Indianapolis Coast side and that franchise. But they don't
have that kind of patience, don't have that kind of
time because people jobs on the line.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
People jobs can't line.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Patient for the simple fact in three years, I'm gonna
have to give a guy a quarter of a billion
dollars and you're telling me to be patient.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Now, it's not something like, you know, once upoint of time.
If I can.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
See, o Joe, if it's like if I got ten cars,
you know, I feel like, man, this car might be
worth something.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I can sit that way to the side.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I can't sit my man, because growing up on Yo,
we had a chevel We had a Chevel SF with
the rally racing stripes down, and we had all we
had a Malibu, we had all that stuff. We couldn't
set that car side because that was our everyday car.
I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play.
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But I need him to play well because in three
years I'm gonna have to give him a quarter of
a billion dollars. I'm about to have to get somebody's
about to get a contract for four hundred million, O Joe,
and two hundred and fifty three two seventy five is
gonna be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I can't
be patient now it used to be. I'm gonna let
the eggs hatch. Nah, I get my chick list from
smashing the eggs. Come on up out of the dammit.
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I just being honest with you, Oh Joe. I'm just look,
you've been in the league. I've been in the league.
We've been around the league. That's how it is now.
Ain't nobody waiting, nobody waiting on you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. Think
about owners, especially in the NFL. They want gratification, they
want end, you know, because most of the owners they're businessmen,
and most.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Of the time what businessmen do.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Is when they want results, right now, get th money
at it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But it doesn't work like that in the NFL. Don't worry,
it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So the frustration piles up because in other areas of
business and aspects that I have going on around, once
I throw money at.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Something right away, I get results.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But it just doesn't work that way when it comes
to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can
rely on for decade that you that.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You and I talk about, is that all of a
sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's.
See it, They don't have patience because I'm looking around
the league and I see what bow Knicks did. I
look around the league, and I see what Jamee Daniels did.
I look around in the league and I see what c. J.
Stroud did. So now hold on, wait, you went higher
than than Bold? Why why you not player like that?
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Why can't you be Why can't you be CJ.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Stroud? Why can't you be Jade Daniels?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success.
And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking
at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's Okay,
they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know
what they're put into their marriage to be happy. You
don't know what how their coaching said. Player, you don't
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know how he receives information. You don't understand how he
processes information. So with all that being said, you looking
at it, You just looking at it like, well, damn,
I see look at his numbers and look at my
quarterback numbers. It's not it's not that black and white.
It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot up
there are a lot of other things that go into
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it whether or not a player will be successful. And
now I got there, like okay, Like you said, okay,
be patient. Well that's where you do your homework and
if you take it, if you take it a project,
you have to be patient. You can't expect them to
come out and be like be like c J.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You can't expect him to be like a Jane Daniels.
You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a
guy that started at Oklahoma what was it Oklahoma and
then he follows a Lincoln.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Ride in the USC.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You can't expect that that man got thirty plus stars
on his bill. You got half that Jane Daniel got
like damn fifty starts. You don't have that. So if
you if it's like, oh Joe, it's like a car,
an old school car. You just can't slap it together.
When people say they're doing a rebuild on the car,
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they're gonna take their time and do it.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's gonna take them years. But the problem.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is is that I have other cars I can drive,
so I'm not counting on this car. So I can
take my tag, Oh Joe, bro this pro sports. They
not waiting. Yeah, they're not waiting those days of oh
if two or three years, man, look here, I might
be dead. They gonna I might be dead. I might
say I might have never sold a team. I'm not
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waiting two or three years. I need you to get
it right now. And when you don't get it right,
you're not gonna have too many guys that you selecting
the top five and they don't.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Pan out, Oh Joe. The Commanders signed.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Terry McLaurin to a three year deal worth up the
ninety six million. He receives thirty million dollar bonus and
the new deal with Terry back the Commanders are true
Trooper old contenders.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
We got the list up there. You can see right
down on.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Average salary where guys are are based at ojo, I
said his huh, I said thirty two. I say, somewhere
between twenty eight thirty two. You was at thirty two.
I said, I don't see him going north of DK.
But hey, plus he's a little older, oyo, and you
don't want to be the team to set that president.
Because I was reading the day of the twenty four
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guys that's got these new deals, only one is thirty
years of old age of older when signing him, and
that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique because Tyreek might be might
be the oldest, but he outrun everybody that's on.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
His list, every last one.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So with that being said, congratulations, Terry Well deserved five
ken secutive thousand yard season.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
He was second in the NFL in.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Touchdown catches last year behind Chase who won the Triple Crown.
Very very well deserved. I was glad the Commanders came through.
Reward your players. That's exemplary, not only on the field,
but off the field as well. I always like to
see teams reward their players. They drafted their home grown
you know that player rewarded.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Go ahead, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I have a question.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Can you see to me why management? Why the powers
that be? Always No, it doesn't take that long to
do the numbers. I don't know who does the books
for the commanders.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It doesn't take that long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Why do we wait until.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The end of training camp, preseason passes by, and then
all of a sudden you decide to pay a player.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Two weeks before the season starts.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I don't understand without being privy to both sides. Maybe
he offered concessions, Maybe they came.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Up a little.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Remember it was being reported he wanted north of what
DK got. DK was at thirty three, so maybe he
dropped down. Maybe a he lorded ceiling. Maybe they lifted
the floor. We don't know without being privy to both
sides of the information.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But at the end of the day, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, you would like for it to be a little
sma the transition or light, for things to go a
lot smoother. But at the end of the day, isn't
the job is to get to get the deal done. Yes, yes,
and I think he had. He was dealing with an
injury anyway, So I don't know how soon. How soon
he was gonna be able to practice. Now, this gives
him an opportunity. It gives him a couple of weeks
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work some of the dustot. He's gonna be tired. He
gonna be He's gonna be a he gonna be tired
like a one leg man in an ass kicking contest.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, because I tell people all the time, O Joe,
and you know this. You get in shape playing football.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can want all the wins prints you want that
ain't football because you don't got no helmet, you don't
got no shoulder pads, you don't got people tugging on you,
and you ain't got.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Cleats on your feet. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So if or in order for you to get in
football shape, you gotta play football. That's what you gotta do.
That's what in track and field. You don't see them
doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball. To
get in shape. You get in track shape by running track,
football shape by playing football, basketball shape by playing basketball. Yeah,
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that's how you get in shape. And so and I
agree with you. You were talking about this, like, man,
I just hate when these holdout because then you run
the risk of soft tissue because you haven't pushed your body,
and they will they Hey, hey, take these next couple
of reds like, nah, brot, let me build up to
Let me build a little callous.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Let me build up to that. Brother. Hey, don't push
me too hard, too fast.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Because growings, hamstring, quads, adductors, adductors. But I'm glad Scarytary
got this deal done. You know, hey, he got he
got what he wanted. He got thirty million signing bonus.
He was trying to get that DK because I think
DK got sixty million guaranteed. So he was kind of
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looking for saying, look, bro, you straight.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You're straight? Yeah, hey that fifteen you're a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
If you took care of your money, this right here,
just decide the bonus alone. You should be good, even
before you even get to the big money that you're
gonna start making next year. You should be straight. He
seems like a guy that has his head on straight.
He'll do good with his money. But I'm glad Washington.
I always like that, O Joe. I like when teams
reward their players. I do guys that you know, I mean, Cincinnati,
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they drafted you, they saw you, they know your work, habits,
they know what you do.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely, and I hate.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So let me get this straight. I've been here for
five years. You hard time me. But come, Fredgency, you
go get this joker here. You don't know what he liked. Yeah,
you don't know what his practice happens. He is. You
don't know anything about the guy, but you gonna give
him a boatload of money. And you see me every
day busting my ass and then you hard time me
about my paper.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well that's crazy. I'm like, bro, who dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But it's nice to know y'all got some money. So
when I go knocking on the door next year, I
don't want to hear nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, I don't want to have no excuses.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I want to hear nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
O yo.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, but Jamar Chase is the highest paid at forty
zero point two five zero, and then you got Jetta.
But there's a big gap between who's gonna be able
to fill that gap? Who's gonna be available? Oh yo,
to go in between that thirty five and forty or
who pulled vaults over Chase?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Whok in the cool?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No, No, it's gonna be a minute, it's gonna be
a minute.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Uh, you got neighbors. You got Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There it is.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It would probably be neighbors. Neighbors are Brian Thomas Jr.
If anything, it'll probably be neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Might
fall right up under that, write it right up under that.
But the next who I say, neighbors might get maybe
forty two, forty three.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And I'll see, Chase had the perfect storm because he
had this in a contract year.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So he got the triple crown in a contract year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So if you give him what he's asking for, maybe
you get him for thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven.
But now since you didn't, you got a tax over.
You got to pay a tax. You gotta pay a
penalty tax.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Listen, they bet they bet against him, the better what
they do, yeah they I mean, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I wouldn't you know why I wouldn't bet against him
because his best friend is the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Quarterback Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Hey he gonna feed it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You're gonna get it to him.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yes, and he got he got He got it to
him too.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I just sent him a Richard Mill I got him
a pack tack i'd have got him something real nice.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Nico Collins already got paid.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think he did, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, so it'd be one of one of the young
boy I don't know if they get the forty, but
Malik neighbors.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
They might because of the time, Oh Jo, think about
So he got signed this deal this offseason. By the
time they come up, that's gonna be twenty seven, So
that'll be that'll be two years, three years.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So if hey, price is going.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Up, yeah, yeah, there'll probably be Milik neighbors in Brian.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Towns and probably guess what your another thing is gonna happen.
They'll probably be an eighteenth game. Ah, that's right, that
eighteenth game gonna be here. Twenty eight. I'm saying twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, probably bigger piece of the pie too.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So hey, so, but I'm glad Terry gets it. He's
right there with Garrett Wilson, AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, they're
all around thirty two million. And then you got am
and Rod Saint Brown, Brandon au Tyreek T. Higgins at eleven,
Jay Lo Wattle is at twelve. So the twenty nineteen
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draft third round pick has been the team's received a
leader in reception and receiving yards each of his six seasons.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
He's put together a.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
String of five straight one thousand yard campaigns on Joe,
becoming the first NFL first in NFL history to do
so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research.
So he's had a different starting quarterback basically every single
year he's got been there. He's he's putting together kind
of like what d Hop did with Houston. Matter who
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d Hopp, I could have been throwing to d Hap
and he was gonna gona beil an all pro yep
he had. Now when he got DeShawn, it really took
him to another level. But it didn't matter if it
was case Keenum, if it was Brian Hoyriott, if it
was brought Aus Waller. Dee Hop ain't give a damn
who the quarterback was. D Hopp was putting the work
on everybody, everybody, everybody. So that's how d Hop made
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really made a name for himself because he could have
used every excuse, man give me a quarterback, like give me,
give me this, and give me that. Now I got
who I got. But y'all know who I am. Who
I am.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
All you had to do is put the ball in
the vicinity.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I still don't believe this man, Bill O'Brien traded d
Hot for a damn running back. You're talking about top
You talking about the top at the time. D Hobbs
had to be top two, top three receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, you traded him for a running back.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I think he wanted to get paid to if I'm
not mistaken, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's that's
always the deal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That's always the problem.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And and and.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
The running back is already out of the league, and
d Hops still going. He goes to Arizona, has great seasons.
He's not the same d Hop that he once was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But hell, who is who is at here? Twelve?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Unless you Jerry, everybody's starting to slow down twelve you're
twelve thirteen, oh Joe, if you're fortunate enough to play
that long at the receiver. Jerry was still putting up
crazy that Jah had twelve hundred yards at faulty. What
part of your old you know there's gonna be playing?
I mean, thinking about it, Jalla gotta be twenty six,
you think jedda gonna put up twelve hundred y fourteen
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years from now. Hell no, hey, you people don't realize.
People don't realize how long that. Oh yo, people don't
realize how long Jerry actually played.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, Barrier and.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
The numbers, you got to realize that, what was that
ninety seven? He tours acl the first game of the season,
came back that same season. Yeah, he caught two touchdowns
against us.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The funny thing about it is his situation is probably
a little different than everybody else is because he was
a focal port of the offense. When it came to
passing the ball, he was still the viable number one option. Yeah,
the targets and opportunity or which presented itself. Now most
of the most of the players just you know, in
this day and age, when you reach a certain age
and you hit thirty, you know, they started acting funny
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with you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh yeah, they find somebody else you after bingo.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Then they'll decrease your opportunities, they'll decrease your targets, and
they'll say.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh where you lost your step?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I ain't lose nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Don't play with me.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They did him too.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They drafted JJ Stokes and the next year who they
draft O Joe your boy. Oh yeah, so it ain't
happen to everybody. Hey, don't think. Don't think we got
oh you Jai. No no no, no, no, no no no.
They look at the replace you they looking Yeah. And
then to put together that a monster season. And they
(21:31):
put together the monster season to had that game against
the Bear where he had two sixty five and twenty catchers.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
On Jared Rice's day.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The Bear said, nah, if somebody else can came for
three hundred yards, get thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Passes, but you ain't touching it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And guess what, TiO Wig went crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
T went crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And as they say, the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It seems to me, o yo, if we're going to
talk about this a little bit with the Bengals, is
that the team has all the leverage. Guys are not
willing to miss a million dollars. Guys are not willing
to wins miss eight hundred thousand, two million dollars. Guys
are not willing to miss that kind of money.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Oh yo.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So although they might be in the right, I have
great I have a great foundation to stand on. I
need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I know this. You know this.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me.
So I've outperformed the contract. Compensate me. But very few
guys are willing to risk.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I wouldn't miss the whole season, probably because I would
come back eight games because I want to get a credit.
Because if you missed the whole season, you lose a creditation.
You don't get credit for that season. So you KNOWY
got to get at least the eight games, Oh Joe,
in order to get credit for the season. But O Joe,
guys ain't really trying to miss No. Nine, ten, twelve
million dollars, No so and and and So that's the
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leverage that the the teams have. And they know it.
They know you're not gonna miss that money. See Jerry knows.
Jerry said all that are Jerry gonna go to the
bank and say, hey, check this out. I'm gonna be
a little I'm gonna i'mnna be a little slow this month.
So I'll probably catch you all in October, okay, mister Jones,
Because they saw Jerry just got a check for four
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thirty two in March. Absolutely, so they'll they'll put that
down the road. I can't go to my kids school, say,
you know, I'm a little behind this month, can y'all? No, no, no,
mister charge we're gonna need that three thousand dollars childcare.
We're gonna need that fifteen thousand dollars for a school
private tuition. They they'll give those guys the benefit of
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the doubt.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, just like us.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We'd situations though, show that we get things from financial
institutions that normal people couldn't go do.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm not here trying to tell you know, I'm just
saying there's certain things that they'll allow us to do.
Knowing who we are, knowing the financial situation that we're in,
they're gonna be a little bit more relaxed.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But guys are just they just can't They just can't
afford to leave that kind of money on the table.
And it's been going on for so long. Guys like
they fight it as long as they can. Yeah, but
you hold in. But you know, at the end of
the day, like I said, I just can't see a
situation where Michael Parson is gonna leave one point three
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million on the table.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Hey, just can't.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey, I don't know, Hey, because.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Think about it, one point three million and Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, I know, but still I don't know, because you're
gonna if you if you fold here, if you fold here.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Then that at your leverage. Then you know, you don't hear,
you don't get in.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Jerry Tall you we got him in the contract for
three more years.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He has no leverage.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
He's not gonna play with him like that.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
What did you do?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Did you see Jerry slide to the front of his
chair when he talked to stephen A. Yeah, when somebody
slide to the front of their chair, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Joe, they mean they meaness. Ok, Hey, they mean business.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to
money and you slide forward, or when you're playing video games.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
This is very important. I know you don't play video game, but.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The check and the test of this when stuff is
getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And you slide up in your chair and get closer
to the monitor.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, it's go time, it's go time, and you mean
nothing but business at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So I know, I know Jerry was serious. I knew
he was serious.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Any minute he was saying he wanted to make sure
stephen A understood right the seriousness of what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, we got him on the contract for three more years.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So he's telling you, I got this fifthyr option, and
I got two franchise tags.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I'm not afraid to use them.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's nasty work too, though. That's nasty work.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Matter of fact, I even mention that to even say that,
you know, it doesn't surprise me based on some of
the comments he said previously. Yes when talking about it, Well, Jesse,
if I pay him not doesn't mean he's gonna be
available because.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He got hurt. What that that just?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Did you watch? Have you been watching the documentary? No?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I still I still Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In nineteen and I think it was ninety six when
he did the deal outside of the NFL because the
NFL with Nike, he did a deal with Phil Knight
and Nike.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And the league suiting for two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Who won hold on, come on for two hundred and
fifty million.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Jerry turned around and counter sued them for seven hundred million,
talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at
the owners meeting, they had their Norman call, Okay, now
they asked Jerry to leave because they're about to talk
about him, right, So Jerry tells the story that he
got up. He gets up, and he starts to walk
out because he knows he can't be a part of
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the meeting. He said, I know, guys, you guys are
suing it for three hundred million, and you're gonna try
to take my ball club.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He said.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I know that's what y'all gonna do. He said, but
I tell you what, I'm suing you for seven hundred million,
and if I win, I'm gonna collect every effing.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Sent Wait he talked, he talked, Wait, hold.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
On, he got, he got, he got Cojones like that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He says, I know what y'all trying to do, he said,
but if I win, I'm gonna collect every I don't
care how long it takes. I'm gonna collect every reffing
set time out?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What what is?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
What's the Cowboy documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Man, I'm gonna watch this tonight. Bright how many? How many?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It's like eight episode? Eight episodes?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh I got to see that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Oh yeah, hold on past Paul Tagla who went for that.
What you're gonna do? Because at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Look them owners, legal fees are coming out of their pockets.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
That's why every time they're like, hey, the long as
something goes on, litigation goes on. Those billable hours. I
know a little something about billable hours. When you start
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getting up there, oh show you start getting up there
one thousand, fifteen hundred two thousand dollars an hour, and
everything is a charge. You call a how's it going?
That's a charge? Right, we go down there in file,
that's a charge. They answer emotion, that's a charge. Jesus
you in court, that's a charge. M But that's a
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different ballgame too.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
See Jared was saying, hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Jerry said, hold on, I'm doing four times what anybody
else is doing, but I'm getting one thirtieth of it.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
No more.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh that's crazy, No more. Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The one thing that the NFL don't like get to
that's why they kind of let this this left all alone.
Al said, Al said, I'm going to La Nah, you
can't do that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'll sue you going back to Oakland. Al, you can't
do that, I sue you. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Now, how did yeah, and how does the story end
with with with with the NFL and and Jerry.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Jerry is the only one that's not a part of
the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, when it
comes to that stuff, so he pockets everything. Everything that's
the Dallas Cowboys. He the NFL said they owned the logo.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I said, you don't. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Long All Pro Safety Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have
reached an agreement, a four year extension worth one hundred
point four million dollars is the largest deal for safety
in the NFL history, and the deal includes eighty two
million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
However, they got a bigger deal looming. Lamar Jackson, Yeah,
satur captain number is forty three point five million and
twenty five seventy four and a half million in twenty
six with Lamar continued, he still represents him off here
and his mom. Are we headed for a long drawn
out negotiation or it is going to be simple and painless.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the fact,
this is quarterback number one. This is the future of
your organization, probably for the next ten years. Obviously, we
saw we saw young Bull down there in Buffalo get
his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I
know I think it was in North was maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Three hundred something like that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Three hundred with two fifty two fifty guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere, probably going
to leap frog that in some way shape form or fashion,
representation being his mom, them having the right people in
their corner understanding how everything works, being that they've already
worked one deal, so it's pretty easy where the numbers
are going to be, and they're going to work it out.
And I'm not maybe I wouldn't be surprised if if
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it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the
middle of the season, but it's probably going to get done.
It's simply when it comes to certain certain players. When
it come to certain especially this position, you.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Don't play no games. You don't play games of that position.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just
football year.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I like them going ahead and getting this deal with
Kyle Kyle Hamilton out of the way.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They tied up.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
The Ravens are normally very very good about this their
homegrown talent. They take care of those guys they always have.
I believe they're as they always will. You go back
and look at the Jonathan arguments, the ray Lewis's, the
Tarrell Subgs, the Ed Reids, those guys. They take care
of their guys. They've always done that. They took care
of Lamar. That they did make Lamar play, you know,
or the franchise tag one year of surprised, well, he
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didn't play on a franchise tag. Nobody even put money
down when so how many guys needed a quarterback and
could have given up easily two first round draft picks.
I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for
a quarterback of Lamar. Two first rounders. You'd have been
gladly giving those guys up, because you hell, you feel
that when you give those guys up that you're gonna
be so far down in the draft it's not going
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to harm you. You don't think you get Lamar Jackson, you're
gonna be picking in the top ten.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
What that's being said, They took care of Kyle Hamilton.
Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. I
agree with you, at some point in time, this deal
is gonna get done. They're not going into the season
next year with a seventy five million dollar cap hit
for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done?
Getting something done? It all depends on him because at
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the end of the day, Oho, you said it best.
He and his mom are their representation. They do have
an NFLPA attorney, I think to help them read over
language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that.
That's better than giving up three to four percent. I'll
pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, fifty whatever
the case will be. Let's just say a round number.
Let's just say a thousand dollars an hour for you
to read over the contract to make sure everything's going
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to up and up. All the languages is what it
needs to be. But with that being said, he's not
going in the next season with no seventy five million
dollar cap HiT's that's for damn sure.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's gonna happen sooner rather than later that he's gonna
get something done.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I can see. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I can see them somewhere at some point in time
getting a deal done. If he wants to get it done,
he might say, well, if we don't get this thing
done by the first game.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I've done talking contracts until l after the season.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone
like Lamar that I.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Know personally, he's strictly football.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
When it comes to the business side of things, obviously
has mom right there to handle those issues. But Lamar
is one that just wants to play football, and we
understand the nature of the business and you don't want
to get yourself in any type of distract your situations.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That can take you from said game of football.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
But obviously his his eye is on the prize, and
the eyes on the prize had nothing to do with
money because he's already been paid. So his focus is
on doing what we need to do to dominate in
the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to for
wann the playoffs and to get get over the hump
of getting out the playoffs and having a chance that God.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Damn, you're absolutely right. Look, the guy is a two
time MVP. You're not gonna pay no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No no no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I can't do that. We gotta give it what he got.
I don't care what the numbers say he's a three
time MVP.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now they took one of those.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
He's from him based on one of the best statistical
seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game.
So it was that I love Josh Allen, but last
year's MVP was a damn.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Here, That's what that was.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Uh, I'm just being I'm just I'm just being realistic.
That's what I Damn here, that's what that was.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But you're paying You're gonna pay Lamar Jackson, the guy
that's not even thirty years of age yet you're gonna
pay him. You believe the next five or seven years
he'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's
been putting up the last three to four years. Thirty
forty past touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five
and eight hundred rush yards, low turnover rate. Like you said,
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he just needs to get over that hunt. He just
needs to get that one time to play like Lamar
in the regular season, because so many times we've seen him.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
He went like a stretch where he had eight nine games.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Oh Joe, he ain't turned the ball over, he didn't
fumble the ball for a pick. He did none of
that and then he got I think in the playoff game,
the Divisional round against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Look, he still had him in position.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
If the tight end, if he catches that Mark Andrews,
if he catches that two point play, now we were
possibly in the overtime or or I mean the defense
is gonna have to stand to keep Josh Allen out
a field goal range and then we go to overtime.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
We'll never know. But we have yet to see Lamar.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Jackson play in a in a big time game come postseason,
like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won
the MVP. See, because if that guy showed up, they
go into the super Bowl. And that's and that's what
and that's what that's what we keep expecting, O Joe.
That's what we keep wanting to see because we know
it have we had, he has it in him because
we've seen it. It's not like we're asking we're not
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asking Lamar Jackson to do anything. He has not put
on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing,
because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for
three hundred, he a rush for sixty, seventy eighty yards.
We've seen him have three touchdown passes two touchdown Russian,
So we're not asking him to do anything that we
have not already seen with our own eyes. It's just
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that in the playoffs more times than not he's turned
the ball over and yeah, once he gets that out
of his way, you know, and sometimes it takes others
longer to live.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went his first second your
first year starting, he win Patrick Mahomes. This first year starting,
he goes to the FC Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
The next year, a second year starting, he wars the
Super Bowl, he wins the regular season MVP. And that
same thing with Lamar. Think about it. Lamar his first
year starting, he won Super he won the MVP. So
we know who what he can capable of. We just
need him to be that person come playoff time. And
if he does that, the Raven's gonna be hell because
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the Ravens they got a heck of a four football team.
They got a heck of a football team. I think
John Harbor is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys
that fly around to the football. They got Jahie Alexander.
They got Wiggins outside, they got Marlon Hump in the slot.
They got Hamilton. They took a safe. I think they
took another safety in the first round.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
They're good. Ro Kwan Smith. People, look that loaded. They're loaded.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
They got ham They got the otherwise of Zay Flowers,
the running back. Look, Ricard is back. They got dead Henry.
They got a Stalian's back. Lamar, they are loaded. Now
like Lovely is going to be out a little whitecause
I think you got dealing with a foot injury. But
they got Matt Andrews, who's been an All Pro, who's
gone to multiple Pro Bowls. This team is loaded. This
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team is equipped, and they should. You'd be thinking, hey,
we got to take care of it. We got to
take care of business and went out the vision. But
they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that
they have on the team and based on the coach
the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
That they have. But uh, yeah, Lamar, they're gonna get
something done.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Forty three point five million, that's not excessive as far
as the cap oh joke.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
But seventy five yeah, that's excessive.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, that's waiting.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
During Terry mccarrn's push for a new contract. Age was
cited as a big factor in the reluctance Terry turns
thirty in miss September that ultimately didn't stop the team
from mcgreen on a three year deal with the Wide Out.
At the PRENS conference today, McLaurin was asked about his
response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal
will age. Well, the data is the data, but I
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think people they're outliers. There are people who may not
necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell,
But I feel like where things are in my ability.
In January, I ran like sixty yard screen for a touchdown.
My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there.
If anything, my sadness of playing receiver has grown.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Hey listen, honestly, I'm just listening.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
All the analytics and data and stuff that they have
based on age and wear and tear and my amount
of moules on your legs.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
None of that really matters.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It doesn't matter us, don't matter us.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
It just matters those you can cut those check Yeah,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And so they look at it from a business standpoint,
maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I can get.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Somebody that can give me half the production and I
can put that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
That's the way they think.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But when it comes to a team that is on
the verge of being able to go to a Super Bowl,
that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to
pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen,
which I don't understand why they were waiting from a
business standpoint.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
While we waiting, are you serious about winning?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Them?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Getting that deal done for Terry.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Mc lauren lets me know that they're serious about winning,
and the quarterback not having the power or leverage to
be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need
to get this done. We need to get it done
because we have a small window opportunity.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Good.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
We have an okay defense, but I understand we can
do offensively if we have number seventeen.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
In this room for us to make that run. For Lombardy.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Hell, we got to the NFC Championship with him. He
was I'm not sure what percentage, but he was. He
was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially
when to come to throw on the ball.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
In the air.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
So what is that a play about. I don't care
what data, I don't care what analytics say. I know
what happens. I know what he does when you put
when you turn that goddamn film on in seventeen, he
gonna show up every time.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
The question is, OJO, what we don't know. We're not
privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling or
did they raise the floor? That's good, that's that's what you.
You and not not privy to those conversations. So and
what I mean by that chat did he lower his
price or did they raise their did they raise their offer?
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And so that's what we don't know. All we know
is that the deal got done. You and I both
think maybe it took a little longer than probably what
it should. But in any negotiation there needs to be
a give and take, because you don't want someone to
begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful
of each other. But by the same token, you don't
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want to, like man, feel like you got screwed over,
because now you're gonna feel like you you know, they tried,
they took advantage of you. So I think at this
at the number that he ended up getting. I think
everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that.
He doesn't have to go in and play on that
fifthier option. Now he gets to cut. Now he gets
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the I think he gets to come in and get
a good number.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Like I said, O, Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
What what what can he do with thirty two million
that he only needed thirty four million.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
To be able to do it? Right? Right?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful, respectful offer. Obviously,
it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want,
obviously because you are thirty. But they found a happy medium,
a happy media for him, his family.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Wife, kids, they can be happy. The team is happy.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Jamie Daniels gets his core j James dan gets a
receiver on a nice piece sound mindset. Now all you
can do the business side of is over.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Let's play football and prepare, prepare for week one with
no distractions.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, well, you know they're don't have to do something
with Laramie Tunso they're gonna have to do something with Louvu.
They you know, they what are they gonna do anything
with Marshon Lattimore that's the question. Jane Daniels is coming
up and after next year. Uh so, you know they
can have some other pieces and they needed to get
this out of the way so they don't have this,
you know, going into a next season with Tunso and
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Lovu and those other and a few other guys. Joe,
Let's go ahead and piece by piece because in two years.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
You don't have to go see five. I think you
ain't Jane Daniels five.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, you're gonna have to see it, and it's gonna
cost you to change.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It's gonna hey yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to do
something strange for a little bit. You have to do
something strange to prey that for you change.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
You got to understand, you got you got three quarterbacks, right,
that's gonna come up and it's gonna break the bank
for their team. So you want to take advantage of
those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better
back the brink truck up. Down in Washington, you better
be able to back the brink truck up at some point.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I think after the season, No, Caleb William got one more,
uh O, Nicks, They're.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Gonna have to back the brink a year too.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah yeah, him and Caleb him and be at the
same oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Come on
to talk to me now, talk to me nice too.
Let me know, show me how much you love me. Uh,
it's gonna be, yeah, I'll be.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Look.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
The thing else, you try to win as much as
you can because when these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when
it's time to dance now, it kind of inhibits what
you're able to do. You can't just arbitrarily go okay,
I'll just go get that because when you have him
on this rookie contract, you can do that. You can
go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay,
I think about just the now, just to here. But
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once you once you pay that guy and you talk
about you're paying a guy fifty sixty and you're looking
at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between sixty
three and sixty sixty seven, sixty eight million dollars, who knows,
maybe even you take seventy yeah, at a quarter of
a bill, a quarter of you know, a quart of
a billy guaranteed. So that's that's that's that's that's kind
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of where you're headed now.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
So with that being said, I think.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
You know, these guys are these general managers, and the
teams are trying to link the lock, lock these guys up,
so we don't want to have to do I'm trying
to do Larrymy Tumsel, I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm
trying to do Jane Daniels. I'm trying to do whomever else.
Let me go ahead and get Doe. I deal with
one thing. I can fight one battle of a time.
I don't want to spread myself to fam. Let me
fight one battlelet of time. Okay, I gotta fight Jane Daniels.
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Let me go ahead and get this take care of.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Okay. I need to deal with Tunsul. I need to
deal with Lovu. I did it whomever.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Let me deal with one individual at a time, and
I think that they'll be better served with that. But
it was it was good that McLaurin got got his money.
And you know, look, whether we like it or not,
don't you know everybody is losing analytics analytics because guess
what else A everybody use it AI. Pretty Soon they
gonna come with AI. Did you be using AI to determine?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah? I mean, listen the game. The game of football
is still football at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that
that teams try to go off of. Certain type of
players win you championships. You're going to need your dogs
in there. There's certain things that analytics and data can't measure.
They can't measure skill, they can't measure hard Sometimes you
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got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
The Panthers trade Adam Feeling to the vic is that
the veteran receiver returns home he is from.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I'm in Minnesota. The teams agreed to park to squat pick.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick in twenty
six and a fourth round pick in twenty seven. Carolina
yields a conditional sefth round pick in twenty six and
a fifth round in twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Oh Joe, Did the Vikings get better bringing them back?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think they got better, just the veteran presidence in general,
just veteran president general having obviously Jordan Madison's going to
be out, so you have Adam Thinton that can come
in right now and play. And if you think about it,
I'm sure people probably don't see it. Probably don't know.
But Adam Thineling and JJ McCarthy, they worked out an
offseason together.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
They were getting even though that's not his quarterback, they
were getting some robson. So there's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Of chemmission familiarity in that area in that sense. So
really Adam Thineln coming back being a being able to
acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home.
I think they're going to be fine. It's a great
addition for them and obviously them the Panthers letting them go.
Let you know how good and how much they believe
in that.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Jimmie Horn made the actor rosson Jimmy one junr MA.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
But you.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You got damn right, Jimmy Hormen, We're gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL,
especially when it comes to rock running and being able
to create separation and get open.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
So I understood that.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They let brother Hunter winfro brothern winfro Go and winfrow
is one, if considered one of the better rock runners
and also a creating separation to be able to get open.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But that's how good that's how good they are.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Obviously, I'm very very high, very very high, And I've
spoke highly of that receiving Corps over there in Carolina,
and if they're to have a year and want to
compete not only in that division, but have a successful season,
is going to be upun that receiving Corps leading brother Bryce.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Young to the Promised Land.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's
gonna be just fine back in Minnesota. JJ McCarthy, justin Jefferson,
Adam Thielen, and when Jordan Madison comes back, that's a
nice trio to have.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Kins who's another year removed from that ANDREI Aaron Jones
in the backfield. Yeah, I liked I like the move.
Uh this is a Carolina's opportunity. I mean, I would
have liked for him to stay there and help mentor
those some of those young receivers ono that they have
in Carolina, but that Carolina's look like, it's our guys.
It's time for them to grow up. It's time for
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them to grow up. We're counting on these young guys.
You got mc millan, you got looked at, you got
uh cochat Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they
got some young talent. Now it's just time for them.
They don't have a what you call a veteran presence
in that locker room with you at the receiver position.
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They have veterans on the team, but I like, I
like to move what. I've been disappointed if Carolina said no.
But they said, you know what for a fourth round
pick in twenty seven? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we go ahead.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
We let y'all have we, let y'all have this.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jordan Adimson
is gonna be gone for three games. So now we
got somebody to come in that a veteran presence that
understands the gravity and the magnitude of these games that
they can't. They're in a very tough division, O Joe.
That Green Bay is in that division, Detroit's in that division.
We believe Chicago will be better than in that division.
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So Detroit's like, nah, we don't really have any excuses,
We don't have any slippage. We want to get off
hit the ground running, and I think Adam Thieling gives
them a great opportunity to do that.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So I like the trade for both.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
But if Carolina said nah, to keep Adam feeling and
to help him groom some of these young guys, I
wouldn't have been upset at that either.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, but you have to understand why they let them go.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I think people in the chest need to understand when
it comes to veteran players that are on teams and
you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not
only in the preseason but in training camp, that's the
only time you let a visitan predence presence of a
player like Adam Thielen go.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Because you trust what you've already seen.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You trust with those young those young bulls are put
on film, so now we know, you know what, we're
gonna be okay, We're gonna be okay, and we're gonna
let them boys take the torch.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
And that's your feeling. Look, a part of us all
want to go back home. You know, Dorothy Darthy wanted
to go back to Kansas.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That was.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
A part of us o jo, A part of us
want to go back to where it started from. And
you know, if you think about it, what a normally
tip when a lot of people escape where the first
place they go.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
They catch them at home. They go go back, go
hold familiar surroundings.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man,
I'm from Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I spent the first ten years of my career in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
You know what, my family, he's probably Minnesota's probably going
to be home for him.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
I mean, he's probably thinking it didn't know if it
would ever come to fruition.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
He's probably thinking, man, I should I would like to
get home. I showed would like to.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, phenish player last year or two in Minnesota,
and here it is, he's going home, and Minnesota pull
off a swap to give him a fifth round pick
in twenty six and a fourth round in twenty seventh.
Carolina get gets say seventh round pick in twenty sixth
and a fifth round in twenty six of it.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
So I think everybody's happy on Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
But like you said, those young receivers in Carolina, they
did they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move
off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable, you
know exactly what you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
He's hard working, he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Guy that can minder the young guys, but they say,
you know what, these young guys are ready
Speaker 4 (52:23):
H
M hm.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
M.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Chris Ballace said team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It
is easy to say, Okay, he's done. I don't agree.
I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I
think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good
for anybody, For for anybody, I do. I'm proud of
Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come.
He's come miles is tough on any young quarterback in
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this league. But for him to keep taking the growth
steps he has and works so hard and not get
the goals for himself all right now, continue to do that,
that's when we've got a chance to see real growth.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
You like that, old Joe, You like what he had
to say.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Absolutely, Also also from a business from a business side
of things, we know we don't we don't. We know
that the long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've
seen the small sum beside of what Daniel Jones was
the New York Giants. So all of a sudden, okay,
my bad, But to think that Daniel Jones to answer
long term, that's not it. So why would you trade
Anthony Richardson? He's only twenty three years old. He's probably
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going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes
other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Maybe gonna take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is
a blessing in disguise for him to.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Continue to grow, to continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And at some point if things aren't going well in
Annapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you
know who's not gonna have to come in and be
that savor for the rest of the season, Brother Anthony Richardson. Absolutely,
they would not let him go or trade him somewhere
else where.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
There is no backup, No, of course not. I think.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't think he's trading him now. Now we might
be having a different conversation next offseason.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, that's different. Now, that's depending. That's depending if.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Things right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us,
what type of growth maturity from the quarter that position,
being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without
the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from
time to time.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now that can save not just in job, but his future.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yes, so if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have
to take full advantage of it because he's not getting
another chance after this.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So Joe, he gets back.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
In there, and he doesn't, he doesn't take advantage of
this opportunity, they're gonna move on because it becomes cost prohibitive.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
For them to keep him on the roster.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So and you're never gonna get the value for I mean,
you took it with the fourth pick in the draft.
The fourth pick in the draft, O Joe, you do realize,
like that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in
the draft. You're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if
you're a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, any player that you're
taking it that high up, he's supposed to be fraying.
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If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver,
a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And and normally you hope, Ojo, you have to bench
a guy.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Now, we'll see how he took to the benching, because
we saw what he did for Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Bryce Young. Let's see if they can.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Have the same kind of impact on Richardson. Yeah, I hope, so,
I hope so too, I hope. So he's a talent.
He's a he's a phenomenal talent man. Once he puts
it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I mean, look, oh, Joe, but you look at it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A guy started he started thirteen games in college, hearted
started fifteen games in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's twenty eight total starts.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Most of the really good, really good quarterbacks you'll get,
you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton
that only starts one year of major college football thirteen
fourteen games and Cam or you'll get a Joe Burrow
who starts what fourteen fifteen games? And I think he
might have started in junior. I'm not sure if he did.
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I don't think he started more than twenty five games.
With that being said, but most of the time, these
guys you got to get, I mean not ain't a
whole lot of stars thirteen think about the Ojoe thirteen
stars and your project and you get your top five pick.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Do you know how mental letalented you must be?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah? But the bad thing about it is the NFL
is not patient because you have to understand people jobs
on the line. So when you draft the quarterback that
high that high and you're expecting to be not only
a generational talent of franchise changing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the Commanders
did it.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So not understanding look at me, look at any games?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
How many games Daniel started though, he started that gamn
in fifty games?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh Joe, yeah, yeah, And that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well, obviously there needs to be a little patience on
the Indianapolis Coast side and that franchise. But they don't
have that kind of patience, don't have that kind of
time because people jobs on the line.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
People jobs can't line.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Patient for the simple fact in three years, I'm gonna
have to give a guy a quarter of a billion
dollars and you're telling me to be patient.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Now, it's not something like, you know, once upoint of time.
If I can.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
See, o Joe, if it's like if I got ten cars,
you know, I feel like, man, this car might be
worth something.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I can sit that way to the side.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I can't sit my man, because growing up on Yo,
we had a chevel We had a Chevel SF with
the rally racing stripes down, and we had all we
had a Malibu, we had all that stuff. We couldn't
set that car side because that was our everyday car.
I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play.
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But I need him to play well because in three
years I'm gonna have to give him a quarter of
a billion dollars. I'm about to have to get somebody's
about to get a contract for four hundred million, O Joe,
and two hundred and fifty three two seventy five is
gonna be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I can't
be patient now it used to be. I'm gonna let
the eggs hatch. Nah, I get my chick list from
smashing the eggs. Come on up out of the dammit.
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I just being honest with you, Oh Joe. I'm just look,
you've been in the league. I've been in the league.
We've been around the league. That's how it is now.
Ain't nobody waiting, nobody waiting on you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. Think
about owners, especially in the NFL. They want gratification, they
want end, you know, because most of the owners they're businessmen,
and most.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Of the time what businessmen do.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Is when they want results, right now, get th money
at it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But it doesn't work like that in the NFL. Don't worry,
it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So the frustration piles up because in other areas of
business and aspects that I have going on around, once
I throw money at.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Something right away, I get results.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But it just doesn't work that way when it comes
to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can
rely on for decade that you that.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You and I talk about, is that all of a
sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's.
See it, They don't have patience because I'm looking around
the league and I see what bow Knicks did. I
look around the league, and I see what Jamee Daniels did.
I look around in the league and I see what c. J.
Stroud did. So now hold on, wait, you went higher
than than Bold? Why why you not player like that?
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Why can't you be Why can't you be CJ.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Stroud? Why can't you be Jade Daniels?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success.
And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking
at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's Okay,
they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know
what they're put into their marriage to be happy. You
don't know what how their coaching said. Player, you don't
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know how he receives information. You don't understand how he
processes information. So with all that being said, you looking
at it, You just looking at it like, well, damn,
I see look at his numbers and look at my
quarterback numbers. It's not it's not that black and white.
It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot up
there are a lot of other things that go into
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it whether or not a player will be successful. And
now I got there, like okay, Like you said, okay,
be patient. Well that's where you do your homework and
if you take it, if you take it a project,
you have to be patient. You can't expect them to
come out and be like be like c J.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You can't expect him to be like a Jane Daniels.
You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a
guy that started at Oklahoma what was it Oklahoma and
then he follows a Lincoln.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Ride in the USC.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You can't expect that that man got thirty plus stars
on his bill. You got half that Jane Daniel got
like damn fifty starts. You don't have that. So if
you if it's like, oh Joe, it's like a car,
an old school car. You just can't slap it together.
When people say they're doing a rebuild on the car,
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they're gonna take their time and do it.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's gonna take them years. But the problem.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is is that I have other cars I can drive,
so I'm not counting on this car. So I can
take my tag, Oh Joe, bro this pro sports. They
not waiting. Yeah, they're not waiting those days of oh
if two or three years, man, look here, I might
be dead. They gonna I might be dead. I might
say I might have never sold a team. I'm not
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waiting two or three years. I need you to get
it right now. And when you don't get it right,
you're not gonna have too many guys that you selecting
the top five and they don't.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Pan out, Oh Joe. The Commanders signed.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Terry McLaurin to a three year deal worth up the
ninety six million. He receives thirty million dollar bonus and
the new deal with Terry back the Commanders are true
Trooper old contenders.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
We got the list up there. You can see right
down on.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Average salary where guys are are based at ojo, I
said his huh, I said thirty two. I say, somewhere
between twenty eight thirty two. You was at thirty two.
I said, I don't see him going north of DK.
But hey, plus he's a little older, oyo, and you
don't want to be the team to set that president.
Because I was reading the day of the twenty four
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guys that's got these new deals, only one is thirty
years of old age of older when signing him, and
that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique because Tyreek might be might
be the oldest, but he outrun everybody that's on.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
His list, every last one.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So with that being said, congratulations, Terry Well deserved five
ken secutive thousand yard season.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
He was second in the NFL in.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Touchdown catches last year behind Chase who won the Triple Crown.
Very very well deserved. I was glad the Commanders came through.
Reward your players. That's exemplary, not only on the field,
but off the field as well. I always like to
see teams reward their players. They drafted their home grown
you know that player rewarded.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Go ahead, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I have a question.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Can you see to me why management? Why the powers
that be? Always No, it doesn't take that long to
do the numbers. I don't know who does the books
for the commanders.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It doesn't take that long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Why do we wait until.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The end of training camp, preseason passes by, and then
all of a sudden you decide to pay a player.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Two weeks before the season starts.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I don't understand without being privy to both sides. Maybe
he offered concessions, Maybe they came.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Up a little.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Remember it was being reported he wanted north of what
DK got. DK was at thirty three, so maybe he
dropped down. Maybe a he lorded ceiling. Maybe they lifted
the floor. We don't know without being privy to both
sides of the information.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But at the end of the day, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, you would like for it to be a little
sma the transition or light, for things to go a
lot smoother. But at the end of the day, isn't
the job is to get to get the deal done. Yes, yes,
and I think he had. He was dealing with an
injury anyway, So I don't know how soon. How soon
he was gonna be able to practice. Now, this gives
him an opportunity. It gives him a couple of weeks
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work some of the dustot. He's gonna be tired. He
gonna be He's gonna be a he gonna be tired
like a one leg man in an ass kicking contest.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, because I tell people all the time, O Joe,
and you know this. You get in shape playing football.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can want all the wins prints you want that
ain't football because you don't got no helmet, you don't
got no shoulder pads, you don't got people tugging on you,
and you ain't got.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Cleats on your feet. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So if or in order for you to get in
football shape, you gotta play football. That's what you gotta do.
That's what in track and field. You don't see them
doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball. To
get in shape. You get in track shape by running track,
football shape by playing football, basketball shape by playing basketball. Yeah,
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that's how you get in shape. And so and I
agree with you. You were talking about this, like, man,
I just hate when these holdout because then you run
the risk of soft tissue because you haven't pushed your body,
and they will they Hey, hey, take these next couple
of reds like, nah, brot, let me build up to
Let me build a little callous.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Let me build up to that. Brother. Hey, don't push
me too hard, too fast.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Because growings, hamstring, quads, adductors, adductors. But I'm glad Scarytary
got this deal done. You know, hey, he got he
got what he wanted. He got thirty million signing bonus.
He was trying to get that DK because I think
DK got sixty million guaranteed. So he was kind of
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looking for saying, look, bro, you straight.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You're straight? Yeah, hey that fifteen you're a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
If you took care of your money, this right here,
just decide the bonus alone. You should be good, even
before you even get to the big money that you're
gonna start making next year. You should be straight. He
seems like a guy that has his head on straight.
He'll do good with his money. But I'm glad Washington.
I always like that, O Joe. I like when teams
reward their players. I do guys that you know, I mean, Cincinnati,
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they drafted you, they saw you, they know your work, habits,
they know what you do.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely, and I hate.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So let me get this straight. I've been here for
five years. You hard time me. But come, Fredgency, you
go get this joker here. You don't know what he liked. Yeah,
you don't know what his practice happens. He is. You
don't know anything about the guy, but you gonna give
him a boatload of money. And you see me every
day busting my ass and then you hard time me
about my paper.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well that's crazy. I'm like, bro, who dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But it's nice to know y'all got some money. So
when I go knocking on the door next year, I
don't want to hear nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, I don't want to have no excuses.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I want to hear nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
O yo.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, but Jamar Chase is the highest paid at forty
zero point two five zero, and then you got Jetta.
But there's a big gap between who's gonna be able
to fill that gap? Who's gonna be available? Oh yo,
to go in between that thirty five and forty or
who pulled vaults over Chase?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Whok in the cool?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No, No, it's gonna be a minute, it's gonna be
a minute.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Uh, you got neighbors. You got Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There it is.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It would probably be neighbors. Neighbors are Brian Thomas Jr.
If anything, it'll probably be neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Might
fall right up under that, write it right up under that.
But the next who I say, neighbors might get maybe
forty two, forty three.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And I'll see, Chase had the perfect storm because he
had this in a contract year.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So he got the triple crown in a contract year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So if you give him what he's asking for, maybe
you get him for thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven.
But now since you didn't, you got a tax over.
You got to pay a tax. You gotta pay a
penalty tax.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Listen, they bet they bet against him, the better what
they do, yeah they I mean, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I wouldn't you know why I wouldn't bet against him
because his best friend is the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Quarterback Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Hey he gonna feed it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You're gonna get it to him.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yes, and he got he got He got it to
him too.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I just sent him a Richard Mill I got him
a pack tack i'd have got him something real nice.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Nico Collins already got paid.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think he did, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, so it'd be one of one of the young
boy I don't know if they get the forty, but
Malik neighbors.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
They might because of the time, Oh Jo, think about
So he got signed this deal this offseason. By the
time they come up, that's gonna be twenty seven, So
that'll be that'll be two years, three years.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So if hey, price is going.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Up, yeah, yeah, there'll probably be Milik neighbors in Brian.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Towns and probably guess what your another thing is gonna happen.
They'll probably be an eighteenth game. Ah, that's right, that
eighteenth game gonna be here. Twenty eight. I'm saying twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, probably bigger piece of the pie too.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So hey, so, but I'm glad Terry gets it. He's
right there with Garrett Wilson, AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, they're
all around thirty two million. And then you got am
and Rod Saint Brown, Brandon au Tyreek T. Higgins at eleven,
Jay Lo Wattle is at twelve. So the twenty nineteen
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draft third round pick has been the team's received a
leader in reception and receiving yards each of his six seasons.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
He's put together a.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
String of five straight one thousand yard campaigns on Joe,
becoming the first NFL first in NFL history to do
so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research.
So he's had a different starting quarterback basically every single
year he's got been there. He's he's putting together kind
of like what d Hop did with Houston. Matter who
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d Hopp, I could have been throwing to d Hap
and he was gonna gona beil an all pro yep
he had. Now when he got DeShawn, it really took
him to another level. But it didn't matter if it
was case Keenum, if it was Brian Hoyriott, if it
was brought Aus Waller. Dee Hop ain't give a damn
who the quarterback was. D Hopp was putting the work
on everybody, everybody, everybody. So that's how d Hop made
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really made a name for himself because he could have
used every excuse, man give me a quarterback, like give me,
give me this, and give me that. Now I got
who I got. But y'all know who I am. Who
I am.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
All you had to do is put the ball in
the vicinity.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I still don't believe this man, Bill O'Brien traded d
Hot for a damn running back. You're talking about top
You talking about the top at the time. D Hobbs
had to be top two, top three receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, you traded him for a running back.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I think he wanted to get paid to if I'm
not mistaken, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's that's
always the deal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That's always the problem.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And and and.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
The running back is already out of the league, and
d Hops still going. He goes to Arizona, has great seasons.
He's not the same d Hop that he once was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But hell, who is who is at here? Twelve?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Unless you Jerry, everybody's starting to slow down twelve you're
twelve thirteen, oh Joe, if you're fortunate enough to play
that long at the receiver. Jerry was still putting up
crazy that Jah had twelve hundred yards at faulty. What
part of your old you know there's gonna be playing?
I mean, thinking about it, Jalla gotta be twenty six,
you think jedda gonna put up twelve hundred y fourteen
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years from now. Hell no, hey, you people don't realize.
People don't realize how long that. Oh yo, people don't
realize how long Jerry actually played.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, Barrier and.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
The numbers, you got to realize that, what was that
ninety seven? He tours acl the first game of the season,
came back that same season. Yeah, he caught two touchdowns
against us.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The funny thing about it is his situation is probably
a little different than everybody else is because he was
a focal port of the offense. When it came to
passing the ball, he was still the viable number one option. Yeah,
the targets and opportunity or which presented itself. Now most
of the most of the players just you know, in
this day and age, when you reach a certain age
and you hit thirty, you know, they started acting funny
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with you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh yeah, they find somebody else you after bingo.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Then they'll decrease your opportunities, they'll decrease your targets, and
they'll say.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh where you lost your step?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I ain't lose nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Don't play with me.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They did him too.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They drafted JJ Stokes and the next year who they
draft O Joe your boy. Oh yeah, so it ain't
happen to everybody. Hey, don't think. Don't think we got
oh you Jai. No no no, no, no, no no no.
They look at the replace you they looking Yeah. And
then to put together that a monster season. And they
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put together the monster season to had that game against
the Bear where he had two sixty five and twenty catchers.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
On Jared Rice's day.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The Bear said, nah, if somebody else can came for
three hundred yards, get thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Passes, but you ain't touching it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And guess what, TiO Wig went crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
T went crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And as they say, the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It seems to me, o yo, if we're going to
talk about this a little bit with the Bengals, is
that the team has all the leverage. Guys are not
willing to miss a million dollars. Guys are not willing
to wins miss eight hundred thousand, two million dollars. Guys
are not willing to miss that kind of money.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Oh yo.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So although they might be in the right, I have
great I have a great foundation to stand on. I
need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I know this. You know this.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me.
So I've outperformed the contract. Compensate me. But very few
guys are willing to risk.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I wouldn't miss the whole season, probably because I would
come back eight games because I want to get a credit.
Because if you missed the whole season, you lose a creditation.
You don't get credit for that season. So you KNOWY
got to get at least the eight games, Oh Joe,
in order to get credit for the season. But O Joe,
guys ain't really trying to miss No. Nine, ten, twelve
million dollars, No so and and and So that's the
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leverage that the the teams have. And they know it.
They know you're not gonna miss that money. See Jerry knows.
Jerry said all that are Jerry gonna go to the
bank and say, hey, check this out. I'm gonna be
a little I'm gonna i'mnna be a little slow this month.
So I'll probably catch you all in October, okay, mister Jones,
Because they saw Jerry just got a check for four
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thirty two in March. Absolutely, so they'll they'll put that
down the road. I can't go to my kids school, say,
you know, I'm a little behind this month, can y'all? No, no, no,
mister charge we're gonna need that three thousand dollars childcare.
We're gonna need that fifteen thousand dollars for a school
private tuition. They they'll give those guys the benefit of
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the doubt.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, just like us.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We'd situations though, show that we get things from financial
institutions that normal people couldn't go do.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm not here trying to tell you know, I'm just
saying there's certain things that they'll allow us to do.
Knowing who we are, knowing the financial situation that we're in,
they're gonna be a little bit more relaxed.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But guys are just they just can't They just can't
afford to leave that kind of money on the table.
And it's been going on for so long. Guys like
they fight it as long as they can. Yeah, but
you hold in. But you know, at the end of
the day, like I said, I just can't see a
situation where Michael Parson is gonna leave one point three
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million on the table.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Hey, just can't.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey, I don't know, Hey, because.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Think about it, one point three million and Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, I know, but still I don't know, because you're
gonna if you if you fold here, if you fold here.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Then that at your leverage. Then you know, you don't hear,
you don't get in.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Jerry Tall you we got him in the contract for
three more years.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He has no leverage.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
He's not gonna play with him like that.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
What did you do?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Did you see Jerry slide to the front of his
chair when he talked to stephen A. Yeah, when somebody
slide to the front of their chair, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Joe, they mean they meaness. Ok, Hey, they mean business.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to
money and you slide forward, or when you're playing video games.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
This is very important. I know you don't play video game, but.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The check and the test of this when stuff is
getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And you slide up in your chair and get closer
to the monitor.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, it's go time, it's go time, and you mean
nothing but business at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So I know, I know Jerry was serious. I knew
he was serious.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Any minute he was saying he wanted to make sure
stephen A understood right the seriousness of what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, we got him on the contract for three more years.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So he's telling you, I got this fifthyr option, and
I got two franchise tags.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I'm not afraid to use them.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's nasty work too, though. That's nasty work.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Matter of fact, I even mention that to even say that,
you know, it doesn't surprise me based on some of
the comments he said previously. Yes when talking about it, Well, Jesse,
if I pay him not doesn't mean he's gonna be
available because.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He got hurt. What that that just?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Did you watch? Have you been watching the documentary? No?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I still I still Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In nineteen and I think it was ninety six when
he did the deal outside of the NFL because the
NFL with Nike, he did a deal with Phil Knight
and Nike.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And the league suiting for two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Who won hold on, come on for two hundred and
fifty million.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Jerry turned around and counter sued them for seven hundred million,
talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at
the owners meeting, they had their Norman call, Okay, now
they asked Jerry to leave because they're about to talk
about him, right, So Jerry tells the story that he
got up. He gets up, and he starts to walk
out because he knows he can't be a part of
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the meeting. He said, I know, guys, you guys are
suing it for three hundred million, and you're gonna try
to take my ball club.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He said.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I know that's what y'all gonna do. He said, but
I tell you what, I'm suing you for seven hundred million,
and if I win, I'm gonna collect every effing.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Sent Wait he talked, he talked, Wait, hold.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
On, he got, he got, he got Cojones like that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He says, I know what y'all trying to do, he said,
but if I win, I'm gonna collect every I don't
care how long it takes. I'm gonna collect every reffing
set time out?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What what is?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
What's the Cowboy documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Man, I'm gonna watch this tonight. Bright how many? How many?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It's like eight episode? Eight episodes?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh I got to see that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Oh yeah, hold on past Paul Tagla who went for that.
What you're gonna do? Because at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Look them owners, legal fees are coming out of their pockets.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
That's why every time they're like, hey, the long as
something goes on, litigation goes on. Those billable hours. I
know a little something about billable hours. When you start
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getting up there, oh show you start getting up there
one thousand, fifteen hundred two thousand dollars an hour, and
everything is a charge. You call a how's it going?
That's a charge? Right, we go down there in file,
that's a charge. They answer emotion, that's a charge. Jesus
you in court, that's a charge. M But that's a
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different ballgame too.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
See Jared was saying, hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Jerry said, hold on, I'm doing four times what anybody
else is doing, but I'm getting one thirtieth of it.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
No more.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh that's crazy, No more. Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Look.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The one thing that the NFL don't like get to
that's why they kind of let this this left all alone.
Al said, Al said, I'm going to La Nah, you
can't do that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'll sue you going back to Oakland. Al, you can't
do that, I sue you. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Now, how did yeah, and how does the story end
with with with with the NFL and and Jerry.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Jerry is the only one that's not a part of
the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, when it
comes to that stuff, so he pockets everything. Everything that's
the Dallas Cowboys. He the NFL said they owned the logo.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I said, you don't. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Long All Pro Safety Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have
reached an agreement, a four year extension worth one hundred
point four million dollars is the largest deal for safety
in the NFL history, and the deal includes eighty two
million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
However, they got a bigger deal looming. Lamar Jackson, Yeah,
satur captain number is forty three point five million and
twenty five seventy four and a half million in twenty
six with Lamar continued, he still represents him off here
and his mom. Are we headed for a long drawn
out negotiation or it is going to be simple and painless.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the fact,
this is quarterback number one. This is the future of
your organization, probably for the next ten years. Obviously, we
saw we saw young Bull down there in Buffalo get
his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I
know I think it was in North was maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Three hundred something like that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Three hundred with two fifty two fifty guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere, probably going
to leap frog that in some way shape form or fashion,
representation being his mom, them having the right people in
their corner understanding how everything works, being that they've already
worked one deal, so it's pretty easy where the numbers
are going to be, and they're going to work it out.
And I'm not maybe I wouldn't be surprised if if
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it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the
middle of the season, but it's probably going to get done.
It's simply when it comes to certain certain players. When
it come to certain especially this position, you.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Don't play no games. You don't play games of that position.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just
football year.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I like them going ahead and getting this deal with
Kyle Kyle Hamilton out of the way.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They tied up.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
The Ravens are normally very very good about this their
homegrown talent. They take care of those guys they always have.
I believe they're as they always will. You go back
and look at the Jonathan arguments, the ray Lewis's, the
Tarrell Subgs, the Ed Reids, those guys. They take care
of their guys. They've always done that. They took care
of Lamar. That they did make Lamar play, you know,
or the franchise tag one year of surprised, well, he
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didn't play on a franchise tag. Nobody even put money
down when so how many guys needed a quarterback and
could have given up easily two first round draft picks.
I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for
a quarterback of Lamar. Two first rounders. You'd have been
gladly giving those guys up, because you hell, you feel
that when you give those guys up that you're gonna
be so far down in the draft it's not going
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to harm you. You don't think you get Lamar Jackson, you're
gonna be picking in the top ten.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
What that's being said, They took care of Kyle Hamilton.
Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. I
agree with you, at some point in time, this deal
is gonna get done. They're not going into the season
next year with a seventy five million dollar cap hit
for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done?
Getting something done? It all depends on him because at
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the end of the day, Oho, you said it best.
He and his mom are their representation. They do have
an NFLPA attorney, I think to help them read over
language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that.
That's better than giving up three to four percent. I'll
pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, fifty whatever
the case will be. Let's just say a round number.
Let's just say a thousand dollars an hour for you
to read over the contract to make sure everything's going
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to up and up. All the languages is what it
needs to be. But with that being said, he's not
going in the next season with no seventy five million
dollar cap HiT's that's for damn sure.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's gonna happen sooner rather than later that he's gonna
get something done.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I can see. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I can see them somewhere at some point in time
getting a deal done. If he wants to get it done,
he might say, well, if we don't get this thing
done by the first game.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I've done talking contracts until l after the season.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone
like Lamar that I.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Know personally, he's strictly football.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
When it comes to the business side of things, obviously
has mom right there to handle those issues. But Lamar
is one that just wants to play football, and we
understand the nature of the business and you don't want
to get yourself in any type of distract your situations.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That can take you from said game of football.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
But obviously his his eye is on the prize, and
the eyes on the prize had nothing to do with
money because he's already been paid. So his focus is
on doing what we need to do to dominate in
the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to for
wann the playoffs and to get get over the hump
of getting out the playoffs and having a chance that God.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Damn, you're absolutely right. Look, the guy is a two
time MVP. You're not gonna pay no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No no no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I can't do that. We gotta give it what he got.
I don't care what the numbers say he's a three
time MVP.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now they took one of those.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
He's from him based on one of the best statistical
seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game.
So it was that I love Josh Allen, but last
year's MVP was a damn.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Here, That's what that was.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Uh, I'm just being I'm just I'm just being realistic.
That's what I Damn here, that's what that was.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But you're paying You're gonna pay Lamar Jackson, the guy
that's not even thirty years of age yet you're gonna
pay him. You believe the next five or seven years
he'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's
been putting up the last three to four years. Thirty
forty past touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five
and eight hundred rush yards, low turnover rate. Like you said,
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he just needs to get over that hunt. He just
needs to get that one time to play like Lamar
in the regular season, because so many times we've seen him.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
He went like a stretch where he had eight nine games.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Oh Joe, he ain't turned the ball over, he didn't
fumble the ball for a pick. He did none of
that and then he got I think in the playoff game,
the Divisional round against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Look, he still had him in position.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
If the tight end, if he catches that Mark Andrews,
if he catches that two point play, now we were
possibly in the overtime or or I mean the defense
is gonna have to stand to keep Josh Allen out
a field goal range and then we go to overtime.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
We'll never know. But we have yet to see Lamar.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Jackson play in a in a big time game come postseason,
like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won
the MVP. See, because if that guy showed up, they
go into the super Bowl. And that's and that's what
and that's what that's what we keep expecting, O Joe.
That's what we keep wanting to see because we know
it have we had, he has it in him because
we've seen it. It's not like we're asking we're not
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asking Lamar Jackson to do anything. He has not put
on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing,
because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for
three hundred, he a rush for sixty, seventy eighty yards.
We've seen him have three touchdown passes two touchdown Russian,
So we're not asking him to do anything that we
have not already seen with our own eyes. It's just
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that in the playoffs more times than not he's turned
the ball over and yeah, once he gets that out
of his way, you know, and sometimes it takes others
longer to live.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went his first second your
first year starting, he win Patrick Mahomes. This first year starting,
he goes to the FC Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
The next year, a second year starting, he wars the
Super Bowl, he wins the regular season MVP. And that
same thing with Lamar. Think about it. Lamar his first
year starting, he won Super he won the MVP. So
we know who what he can capable of. We just
need him to be that person come playoff time. And
if he does that, the Raven's gonna be hell because
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the Ravens they got a heck of a four football team.
They got a heck of a football team. I think
John Harbor is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys
that fly around to the football. They got Jahie Alexander.
They got Wiggins outside, they got Marlon Hump in the slot.
They got Hamilton. They took a safe. I think they
took another safety in the first round.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
They're good. Ro Kwan Smith. People, look that loaded. They're loaded.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
They got ham They got the otherwise of Zay Flowers,
the running back. Look, Ricard is back. They got dead Henry.
They got a Stalian's back. Lamar, they are loaded. Now
like Lovely is going to be out a little whitecause
I think you got dealing with a foot injury. But
they got Matt Andrews, who's been an All Pro, who's
gone to multiple Pro Bowls. This team is loaded. This
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team is equipped, and they should. You'd be thinking, hey,
we got to take care of it. We got to
take care of business and went out the vision. But
they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that
they have on the team and based on the coach
the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
That they have. But uh, yeah, Lamar, they're gonna get
something done.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Forty three point five million, that's not excessive as far
as the cap oh joke.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
But seventy five yeah, that's excessive.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, that's waiting.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
During Terry mccarrn's push for a new contract. Age was
cited as a big factor in the reluctance Terry turns
thirty in miss September that ultimately didn't stop the team
from mcgreen on a three year deal with the Wide Out.
At the PRENS conference today, McLaurin was asked about his
response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal
will age. Well, the data is the data, but I
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think people they're outliers. There are people who may not
necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell,
But I feel like where things are in my ability.
In January, I ran like sixty yard screen for a touchdown.
My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there.
If anything, my sadness of playing receiver has grown.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Hey listen, honestly, I'm just listening.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
All the analytics and data and stuff that they have
based on age and wear and tear and my amount
of moules on your legs.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
None of that really matters.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It doesn't matter us, don't matter us.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
It just matters those you can cut those check Yeah,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And so they look at it from a business standpoint,
maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I can get.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Somebody that can give me half the production and I
can put that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
That's the way they think.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But when it comes to a team that is on
the verge of being able to go to a Super Bowl,
that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to
pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen,
which I don't understand why they were waiting from a
business standpoint.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
While we waiting, are you serious about winning?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Them?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Getting that deal done for Terry.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Mc lauren lets me know that they're serious about winning,
and the quarterback not having the power or leverage to
be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need
to get this done. We need to get it done
because we have a small window opportunity.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Good.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
We have an okay defense, but I understand we can
do offensively if we have number seventeen.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
In this room for us to make that run. For Lombardy.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Hell, we got to the NFC Championship with him. He
was I'm not sure what percentage, but he was. He
was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially
when to come to throw on the ball.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
In the air.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
So what is that a play about. I don't care
what data, I don't care what analytics say. I know
what happens. I know what he does when you put
when you turn that goddamn film on in seventeen, he
gonna show up every time.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
The question is, OJO, what we don't know. We're not
privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling or
did they raise the floor? That's good, that's that's what you.
You and not not privy to those conversations. So and
what I mean by that chat did he lower his
price or did they raise their did they raise their offer?
(41:43):
And so that's what we don't know. All we know
is that the deal got done. You and I both
think maybe it took a little longer than probably what
it should. But in any negotiation there needs to be
a give and take, because you don't want someone to
begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful
of each other. But by the same token, you don't
(42:06):
want to, like man, feel like you got screwed over,
because now you're gonna feel like you you know, they tried,
they took advantage of you. So I think at this
at the number that he ended up getting. I think
everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that.
He doesn't have to go in and play on that
fifthier option. Now he gets to cut. Now he gets
(42:27):
the I think he gets to come in and get
a good number.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Like I said, O, Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
What what what can he do with thirty two million
that he only needed thirty four million.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
To be able to do it? Right? Right?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful, respectful offer. Obviously,
it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want,
obviously because you are thirty. But they found a happy medium,
a happy media for him, his family.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Wife, kids, they can be happy. The team is happy.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Jamie Daniels gets his core j James dan gets a
receiver on a nice piece sound mindset. Now all you
can do the business side of is over.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Let's play football and prepare, prepare for week one with
no distractions.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, well, you know they're don't have to do something
with Laramie Tunso they're gonna have to do something with Louvu.
They you know, they what are they gonna do anything
with Marshon Lattimore that's the question. Jane Daniels is coming
up and after next year. Uh so, you know they
can have some other pieces and they needed to get
this out of the way so they don't have this,
you know, going into a next season with Tunso and
(43:35):
Lovu and those other and a few other guys. Joe,
Let's go ahead and piece by piece because in two years.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
You don't have to go see five. I think you
ain't Jane Daniels five.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, you're gonna have to see it, and it's gonna
cost you to change.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It's gonna hey yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to do
something strange for a little bit. You have to do
something strange to prey that for you change.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
You got to understand, you got you got three quarterbacks, right,
that's gonna come up and it's gonna break the bank
for their team. So you want to take advantage of
those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better
back the brink truck up. Down in Washington, you better
be able to back the brink truck up at some point.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I think after the season, No, Caleb William got one more,
uh O, Nicks, They're.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Gonna have to back the brink a year too.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah yeah, him and Caleb him and be at the
same oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Come on
to talk to me now, talk to me nice too.
Let me know, show me how much you love me. Uh,
it's gonna be, yeah, I'll be.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Look.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
The thing else, you try to win as much as
you can because when these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when
it's time to dance now, it kind of inhibits what
you're able to do. You can't just arbitrarily go okay,
I'll just go get that because when you have him
on this rookie contract, you can do that. You can
go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay,
I think about just the now, just to here. But
(45:08):
once you once you pay that guy and you talk
about you're paying a guy fifty sixty and you're looking
at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between sixty
three and sixty sixty seven, sixty eight million dollars, who knows,
maybe even you take seventy yeah, at a quarter of
a bill, a quarter of you know, a quart of
a billy guaranteed. So that's that's that's that's that's kind
(45:31):
of where you're headed now.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
So with that being said, I think.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
You know, these guys are these general managers, and the
teams are trying to link the lock, lock these guys up,
so we don't want to have to do I'm trying
to do Larrymy Tumsel, I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm
trying to do Jane Daniels. I'm trying to do whomever else.
Let me go ahead and get Doe. I deal with
one thing. I can fight one battle of a time.
I don't want to spread myself to fam. Let me
fight one battlelet of time. Okay, I gotta fight Jane Daniels.
(45:56):
Let me go ahead and get this take care of.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Okay. I need to deal with Tunsul. I need to
deal with Lovu. I did it whomever.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Let me deal with one individual at a time, and
I think that they'll be better served with that. But
it was it was good that McLaurin got got his money.
And you know, look, whether we like it or not,
don't you know everybody is losing analytics analytics because guess
what else A everybody use it AI. Pretty Soon they
gonna come with AI. Did you be using AI to determine?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah? I mean, listen the game. The game of football
is still football at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that
that teams try to go off of. Certain type of
players win you championships. You're going to need your dogs
in there. There's certain things that analytics and data can't measure.
They can't measure skill, they can't measure hard Sometimes you
(46:51):
got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
The Panthers trade Adam Feeling to the vic is that
the veteran receiver returns home he is from.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I'm in Minnesota. The teams agreed to park to squat pick.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick in twenty
six and a fourth round pick in twenty seven. Carolina
yields a conditional sefth round pick in twenty six and
a fifth round in twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Oh Joe, Did the Vikings get better bringing them back?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think they got better, just the veteran presidence in general,
just veteran president general having obviously Jordan Madison's going to
be out, so you have Adam Thinton that can come
in right now and play. And if you think about it,
I'm sure people probably don't see it. Probably don't know.
But Adam Thineling and JJ McCarthy, they worked out an
offseason together.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
They were getting even though that's not his quarterback, they
were getting some robson. So there's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Of chemmission familiarity in that area in that sense. So
really Adam Thineln coming back being a being able to
acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home.
I think they're going to be fine. It's a great
addition for them and obviously them the Panthers letting them go.
Let you know how good and how much they believe
in that.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Jimmie Horn made the actor rosson Jimmy one junr MA.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
But you.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You got damn right, Jimmy Hormen, We're gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL,
especially when it comes to rock running and being able
to create separation and get open.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
So I understood that.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They let brother Hunter winfro brothern winfro Go and winfrow
is one, if considered one of the better rock runners
and also a creating separation to be able to get open.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But that's how good that's how good they are.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Obviously, I'm very very high, very very high, And I've
spoke highly of that receiving Corps over there in Carolina,
and if they're to have a year and want to
compete not only in that division, but have a successful season,
is going to be upun that receiving Corps leading brother Bryce.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Young to the Promised Land.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's
gonna be just fine back in Minnesota. JJ McCarthy, justin Jefferson,
Adam Thielen, and when Jordan Madison comes back, that's a
nice trio to have.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Kins who's another year removed from that ANDREI Aaron Jones
in the backfield. Yeah, I liked I like the move.
Uh this is a Carolina's opportunity. I mean, I would
have liked for him to stay there and help mentor
those some of those young receivers ono that they have
in Carolina, but that Carolina's look like, it's our guys.
It's time for them to grow up. It's time for
(49:17):
them to grow up. We're counting on these young guys.
You got mc millan, you got looked at, you got
uh cochat Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they
got some young talent. Now it's just time for them.
They don't have a what you call a veteran presence
in that locker room with you at the receiver position.
(49:38):
They have veterans on the team, but I like, I
like to move what. I've been disappointed if Carolina said no.
But they said, you know what for a fourth round
pick in twenty seven? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we go ahead.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
We let y'all have we, let y'all have this.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jordan Adimson
is gonna be gone for three games. So now we
got somebody to come in that a veteran presence that
understands the gravity and the magnitude of these games that
they can't. They're in a very tough division, O Joe.
That Green Bay is in that division, Detroit's in that division.
We believe Chicago will be better than in that division.
(50:13):
So Detroit's like, nah, we don't really have any excuses,
We don't have any slippage. We want to get off
hit the ground running, and I think Adam Thieling gives
them a great opportunity to do that.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So I like the trade for both.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
But if Carolina said nah, to keep Adam feeling and
to help him groom some of these young guys, I
wouldn't have been upset at that either.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, but you have to understand why they let them go.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I think people in the chest need to understand when
it comes to veteran players that are on teams and
you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not
only in the preseason but in training camp, that's the
only time you let a visitan predence presence of a
player like Adam Thielen go.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Because you trust what you've already seen.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You trust with those young those young bulls are put
on film, so now we know, you know what, we're
gonna be okay, We're gonna be okay, and we're gonna
let them boys take the torch.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
And that's your feeling. Look, a part of us all
want to go back home. You know, Dorothy Darthy wanted
to go back to Kansas.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That was.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
A part of us o jo, A part of us
want to go back to where it started from. And
you know, if you think about it, what a normally
tip when a lot of people escape where the first
place they go.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
They catch them at home. They go go back, go
hold familiar surroundings.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man,
I'm from Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I spent the first ten years of my career in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
You know what, my family, he's probably Minnesota's probably going
to be home for him.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
I mean, he's probably thinking it didn't know if it
would ever come to fruition.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
He's probably thinking, man, I should I would like to
get home. I showed would like to.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, phenish player last year or two in Minnesota,
and here it is, he's going home, and Minnesota pull
off a swap to give him a fifth round pick
in twenty six and a fourth round in twenty seventh.
Carolina get gets say seventh round pick in twenty sixth
and a fifth round in twenty six of it.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
So I think everybody's happy on Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
But like you said, those young receivers in Carolina, they
did they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move
off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable, you
know exactly what you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
He's hard working, he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Guy that can minder the young guys, but they say,
you know what, these young guys are ready
Speaker 4 (52:23):
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