October 17, 2025 • 58 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho react to Steelers HC Mike Tomlin calling out the Browns for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals, discuss if Cowboys QB Dak Prescott will take a pay cut to keep WR George Pickens, and sound off on Micah Parsons’ constant complaints about the refs!
0:00 - Mike Tomlin questions the Joe Flacco trade18:28 - Dak Prescott willing to take pay cut?30:14 - Micah Parsons calls out refs41:49 - Tua Tagovailoa apologizes to teammates
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns in general manager Andrew
Berry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Oh cho,
Let's take a listen to what Mike T had to say.
You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Andrew Barry must be a lot smarter than me or us,
because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a
quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening
day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But that's just my personal feelings. Look, Mike T don't
that's not his style. Mike T don't normally involve Hey,
he always say that's not us, that's not the Pittsburgh
Stevens business. But why you think Mike t uh stepped
out of character?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, listen, they asked him a question, You asked him
a question. He gained something different, He gained some different
and obviously even he has to always showface and be
someone that he not.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know what I feel like being myself today?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I like that one thing I told young that I
want coaches, I want players the obviously start doing.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Sometimes I want to tell the truth. Sometimes I want to.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Say exactly how they feel I want the locker room talk,
the conversations that had to be said in front of camera.
Now what he just said, just there is something he
would say if there were no cameras rolling. I enjoyed that.
That's authenticity, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So you like what Tua said? Who Tua?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
No, I don't like that part.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Now that's authenticity.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, no, no, I don't like that. See I'm listen.
That's I'm not I'm not throwing nobody downder the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You said you wanted authenticity and you're not.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know, listen to me. I don't like the snitching
on people. I don't like that part.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You want authenticity. You get to pick and choose what's authentic.
If it's authentic, you want it. That's what you said chat?
Is that what he said?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Oh? That that you're confusing.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You don't don't put authentic and snitching together. That's that's
not that's not together.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I like.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I like Mike thomas answer because there's something most coaches
or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera.
So the fact that he did say it and it
was out of character for him as a head coach,
means it's authentic.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's how he really feels.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So let me your question.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Who it did is too? Where was snitching and throwing
people under the bus that he got?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Were they late? Were they late? Did they miss? Did
he lie?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What tour said is what he was said. If the
cameras weren't there.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's that's called snitching on cameras are not.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You said you want people to be authentic. Now you
want them to be authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Sometimes you see you're going from you're going from one
spectrum to the other. So if we would talking about two,
I would say that snitching like I did yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But at Mike. Now we talked about Mike Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Is he being truthful? Is he being truthful? Yeah? Who Tua?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't know. We weren't there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We don't know. He's come on you, how can it
if if if he can't be snitching.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Then oh we weren't there.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We weren't there, so he ain't snitching. No's how you
know you weren't there.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Exactly because just the context and perspective of what I
have to go off for you saying what we shouldn't
I said nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Let me say something we.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It shouldn't As a quarterback, we shouldn't know anything about
what Mike Tom was thinking. Why not?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Why not try to compare the two.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I just said, you said you want authenticity. You said
you want people to tell the truth. Who was telling
the truth. He was telling what he experienced, Guys coming late,
guys missing. You didn't like that cause you said it's snitching.
But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth.
You want people. I want people to be themselves. That
what they said.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Wait a minute, they stay with me. Stay with me now, now,
I don't mind. I don't like the snitching part. You
don't throw your teammates under the bus as a captain,
as a quarterback, you always take issues and put.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Them on yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That I do.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Now, Mike tomlan just giving his his his perspective based
on you know, the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Sure, just give me his perspective of why they're losing.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No, stop stop trying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I just go about what you say. You say you
want people to live in their truth. You say you
say I just want people Sometimes I just want people
to come up there and tell what's on their mind.
That's what you told me. I said, Oh, Joe, you
can't do that. You say, why not? Unh I say,
because it's a been a detriment to the team. You say,
I don't care. I just want it to be true.
(04:52):
I just want people to stay. You say, stay, stay
with me, just for a second, Stay with me right now.
I said, Okay, I'm gonna stay with Yojo.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I don't understand what you don't understand. I understand.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Listen, all tour did with say, guy and the reason
why we're losing. We got the reason why we're losing
is that when we have a meeting and we schedule
a meeting, are guys gonna show up? Are they going
to show up on time? When we say we're gonna
do this? Are we gonna do it? Tell what he's
saying the truth?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That ain't nobody in business. That ain't nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, you don't conduct yourself like that as a
player and about your players. You know that you don't
put that business out there like that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know
he done got everybody in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We all going to jails the tour, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So in other words, you don't want people telling the
truth all the time? Right? Come again, So you're saying
you don't want people to tell the truth all the time, correct.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I don't want people snitching snitching. There's a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, you're not in the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their
answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked.
Those are two different scenarios.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
How about this here, snitching only takes place in the street.
The street of snitching. When you partaking that activity, you're
supposed to be a cold You and I do not
partake in that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Well, there's also an NFL code.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Anything what is it inside that locker room should not
be talked about in front of cameras or at home.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time. Huh.
So we should tell the truth all the time.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, you should. You just shouldn't snitch.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We can.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We gotta live by a code. If we don't live
by a code, what are we living for?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So we got so the locker room got the same
code as the street.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yes, yeah, what you mean, Yes, the same.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's the same man got to live by the cold.
I'm just saying, yeah, you gotta live by the cold.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And listen, it's an unwritten rule too. Somebody didn't even
have to explain it. You just understand and know in
that environment what you can and cannot do.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's as a quarterback in the NFL, or if the
coach in the NFL. There are things that you can
and cannot do. Thank you. That's all I want to hear.
We move on, thank you. That's all I wanted you
to say.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right right, But then you have some people like myself that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That choose to do the opposite.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yes, that's all I wanted you to say. Oh yo,
I'm like this man about Hey, I'll go up there,
but I why can't the quarterback you put people on blast?
Why can't the quarterback he show you no good will?
That quarterback can't do that?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Can Moore came out and said, I'm gonna be honest
with y'all. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We fucking asked like that was refreshing. Humph, that was refreshing.
I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric.
Politically correct from the same goddamn screen.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It was refreshing that that tour told us the truth
that God's becoming in late, that God be missing things.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It was she No, it was not. Hey, that goddamn campboard,
now that was some funny ship.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Asking the ass tour, what's going on all tour said
the reason one of the reasons, we might be. We
gotta take it serious. We gotta make up our minds.
Are we gonna come into on time or the meetings
that we schedule, are we gonna attend them? He was
just being honest.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, I got you, I got you. Oh shoot, this man.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Had told me. This man been telling me it's fresh
and it's a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It is like, but you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know, but I understand you said you want it.
I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that
come along with it, because I don't know, you know.
According to reports as NY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the
(09:13):
support of some people in the Jets building as there
to be one over Fields that feels like Justin was
giving the job without any competition. Yes he was. Justin
Fields got two years at forty million, and Tyrod got
back up money.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes, m hm, hey, I'm I'm mad things aren't working out.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Honestly, To be honest, I really I really thought, I
really thought this has been really really good. Finally, justin
Fields you get your opportunity, you get your team, you
get to be quarterback number one. You don't have to
look over your shoulder, you don't have to worry about
you know, Russell Wilson or or you know, being pulled
to understand whenever you comes Cago, yeah, Chicago, anything, go.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like god damn. Finally he gets his team. He goes
to a place where they actually won him, correct where
they actually on him. And that's one of the greatest
feelings in the world. And for some reason, obviously it
just hadn't panned out. It hadn't panned out.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The win.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
As as good as justin Fields is, I've seen the
flashes of brilliance from him, whether it be throwing the ball,
whether it be running the ball or escaping the pocket,
and just just extending plays. I mean, he can do
it and just have to find a way to string
string all those qualities together consistently.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Over and over look, Tyrod is not the athletic nam
that he's not. I mean Tyrod when he came into
the league. Now Tyrod Athletic Virginia Tech.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Now he can go.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Now he was the backup that Joe Flacco when it
won the championship. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. Ty
Rocket played absolutely can he can play? And so I
agree with you. But for whatever reason, it hasn't clicked
yet for justin fields. It still takes a while for
(11:13):
him to process it, Oh Joe. And you know, at
this level, at that level in which he's playing at
what you and I played at, that clock's gotta go off, guys,
they're gonna be running Scott Free. Go yeah, guys are
not gonna be running Scott Free. You gotta throw, guys open,
you gotta you gotta throw with great anticipatory skills. And
right now it's just like he's glitching. Bro, you can't
(11:36):
hand on to that ball, brut This ain't seven O seven?
They coming.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think I think they give him a couple
more games, O Joe, I do, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Absolutely, I mean it's too soon. It's too soon to
pull the plug right now.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh Joe. I'm not going oh to nine and not
make changes I've got to make some changes.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
What are they right now?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They're on and six? I go to seventh, O N eight?
What what come on with yoe? What you want me
to go fifteen? Before I make a move?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's the next three games.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And you know once you once you make that move,
if you go from if you go from Justin fields,
the Tyrod Taylor, that just that just erases and scratches everything.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
As far as him, Well, I'm trying to win games.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, about the future Panthers, Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Bengals, Browns.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Ship, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's either now never. He won't get an easier stretch easier,
he won't get an easier stretch.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You just did you just hit it?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
How many games of the Panthers won? Two? Three, three
and three? Right?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Did you just see that the Panthers demolished the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Or no? They're three and three? Okay? What what are
the Bengals two and four? What's Cleveland? Two and four?
Browns are one and five? So you got a three
and three, two and four and a one and five
not to give me the next three?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They got it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They got a chance of winning winning one out of
those three because they ain't beating the pants of the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Okay, they might be the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, they might be the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now Lamar be back by then.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Hey, if things don't go well, do you even bring
Lamar back at all?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Or you just let them?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah? Okay, being fifty million dollars, you damn right, I'm
bringing it back. Hell, you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
The no chance at the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I mean, who said they ain't got no chance at
the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I'm just saying if they don't, depending on when he
comes back, well.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I mean, look then on the bye week this week,
so this will be three weeks, almost four weeks a month.
How severe was the hamstring injury?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, oh well he'll be back there, He'll be back
next week, then.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Ceede. Lamb sat out the past three games with a
high ankle sprange. Today, he said he could have played
last week against the Panthers, but he said another week
so he could be fully healthy without limitations. He will
not be on a pitch count against the Commanders. I
feel like I'm moving around, running around, being me happy
as I can be. Obviously, just believing in my ankle. Obviously,
I feel like it's back to where I need it
(14:36):
to be. Oh, Joe, yeah, what you think you talk
to me?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm excited. I'm excited the fact that he said in
him knowing his body. I could have came back last week.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But I want to wait one more week to make
sure I don't have to worry about nothing. I don't
have to worry about nothing, So for me, that makes
that offense in Dallas even that much more scarier.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And you know what's going to happen is hell, Chase
got how many targets you got to night?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Mad? Chase had eighteen targets?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Eighteen targets.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Don't say, Joe, he got his hands on all eighteen
of them. It wouldn't last without a bus or did
have no chance. He literally got his hand on all eighteen.
With your people, don't realize how hard that is to
have that many targets and to actually put your hands
on all eight eighteen.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wouldn't be surprised if the getting back on track
after missing three games. I won't be surprised if if
goddamn CD had fifteen targets next week.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I won't be surprised at all. I won't be surprised
at all at all. And listen, man, honestly, I told.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I told CD, I didn't when he got her, I said, listen,
I can have you back in the week, right, I
can have you back in the week.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But he would look looking at the like when he
did that, looking at it. I said, man, that's three weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely that thing.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, let me take that back. Chase had twenty three targets,
oh yoe, twenty three. Twenty three targets. I think the
most I've ever had OO was like fifteen.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Hey, I don't know. I can't even tell you that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
But I don't think we track targets like they do now.
I don't think. I'm just saying. You know, you go
back and look at the films, and you know they
throw the ball over your head, that's a target. He
throw the ball fifteen feet over my damn head and
out of bounds. That's a target. I mean, if you
was a sniper and I was your target and you
(16:30):
shot like that, people go like, nah, that wasn't no,
you off target.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And that's another thing I like about flac oh two
is he makes every ball count. He makes every ball
count because every ball he throws, he gonna give you
a chance to get it. Yeah, you're gonna give you
a chance.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
To get it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I guess they count targets when they throw the ball
at these pi, So anything that comes your way.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, they count that too. Okay, okay, of cause, man.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh okay. You imagine what you could have done with
twenty plus targets.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Right man?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Is impossible? I mean I'm just thinking. I'm thinking it
would only be possible in this era. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it would only be possible in this era. I wouldn't
have when when to caught twenty passes? I wonder how
many targets he had. Yeah, Marshall has the record, he has.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Twenty one, yep.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Brand Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So if you catch twenty balls, oh Joe, you gotta
have you got at least twenty three, twenty four, maybe
even twenty five targets.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Hey, matter of fact, you know how many yards I
would have?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You got to think I averaged maybe maybe six yards
a game, six maybe seven catches a game if that,
But mine were always.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Now, you ain't have that many catches, cause you ever
had one hundred catch season? No, hell, no, that's what
I'm saying. So if you average six catch six catches
a game in sixteen games, that's ninety six catches. What's
the most catcher you had in the season?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
About right there, about ninety six?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, But I was I was a yardage.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Monster because everything I caught was ten fifteen.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Years That's how it was. Oh y'o long. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I have eleven hundred yards in three touchdown
and then somebody else got four hundred yards and they
got six. I'm like, man, thron't we something? But we
got close to the gold line? TV gonna run that end.
We not throwing no ball unless it's thirty something. But
other than that, man, he get that pay TV running
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that end. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's amazing, man, just the era of the era of
football that we're in now, and they pulled the ball
so much.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Damn. I can only wish.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh Joe Dak Prescott said he plans to speak with
Jared Jones about the importance of keeping George Pickens with
the Cowboys beyond this season. I've been a little busy,
but I will when I run into him in that
time of privacy, I'll make sure. But here's The thing though,
Jack running in, Okay, you want to keep him? Are
you willing to take less than your sixty million? Because okay,
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you got sixty. George Pickens is gonna want max dollars.
He's like, because this is his first body the apple,
He's gonna say that you've had three bites said the apple.
I've never had a big bite of the apple, and
I'm gonna take as big a bite as I possibly.
As a matter of fact, I might be a horse.
I might eat the whole damn apple down a bite.
I want to hold damn apple. So that's the question.
(19:15):
You know, you want all these great players. That's what Brady.
Did you see what Mahomes is doing? The question is
are you willing to take a little haircut. I'm not
saying you got to give him twenty million, but I'm saying,
are you willing to take Say, if you can get
sixty three sixty four million, are you willing to take
fifty fifty seven so George Pickens can get his thirty
(19:36):
because he's gonna want somewhere between thirty two and thirty
six million dollars. That's what George Pickin's gonna want because
he see what DK got. He sell. He see what
Terry McLaurin got. And I guarantee you, George Pickens believe
he's every bit as good as DK metcalf and Terry
McLaury he.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Is, he is.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And I'm not sure Dak is the pinning the pinning.
I'm not sure that has already got his money already
he uh.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Da got one more year on that contract or the up.
But I think he had a monster cap number. I
think he got like something like eighty million in cap.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, Dak then got fair. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't see him doing that. I would like I
would like him to allow to a low pick.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
What's is? What's his cap number next year? Dak? Oh? Yeah,
they got to do something with that. His cap here
to seventy four million, know, Joe, you got to redo
that deal. Damn you got to redo that in sixty
eight you got oh bro, you got to do oh
(20:46):
you definitely, they definitely, they definitely, they're definitely going to
redo that deal. They're not going to let that man
play what.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But what do you think, though, do you think that
will take less to be able to keep pick?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's what Jerry that's what Jarry's gonna ask him. You
mean Jerry excuse me, Yes, that dude, that's what Jerry's
gonna ask that. Are you willing to take less so
we can ensure we can put better players around you?
If Patrick Mahons doesn't do what he does. You're not
able to keep Chris Jones. You're not able. You're not
You're not able to keep the Travis Kelson and keep
(21:18):
it together Coloftus, Hey, they're gonna have to do something
with Trip McDuffie.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Oh a trend nice on.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, So you're able to keep all these pieces together
because you got Creed Humphrey on a big deal. You
got your want your right tackle. Now you hit it
out of the park because your left side looks really good.
The left tackle Simmons, even the guy that came the
backup did an extremely great job the other night. But
(21:48):
you have to you have to, Uh, you got to
give up something on Joe. It's really it's really that simple.
The question is when we had growing up, financially we struggle.
M My grandma said, boy, what's gonna beat this month?
The phone, the light of the gas, one of the
(22:09):
other I can't pay them all Son. I mean, it's
really that simple. Hey, you need the phone in case
we got to call somebody the lights so you could
do your homework, or you and your brother gonna have
to go down there and chart and chop wood. We
pulled that, We pulled our heat away from the fireplace. Hey,
(22:31):
if we go cut down a tree, we pay. It's
really that simple that what you want. You want to
be the highest paid quarterback, or you want to be
sixth or seventh and have have talent around you to
help you, because guess what, o Joe, you're gonna need
some defensive help too.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
But I think me honestly allowed Pick to go get
his thing, allowed allowed Pick to go get what he
deserving of. And I don't think Jerry's is gonna open
up his pocketbook like that and cut the check that
in deserving of getting.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh you are his agent, is the same guy that
represented uh Michael Parsons. Oh yeah, David mule Gatta.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna were gonna let Pick going.
We need we need to go and get his money
over there in Las Vegas. Over there in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They'll pay. Now, the ques, the question is you know,
o Jo, normally when you go in free agency, everybody
don't have the luxury like a A J. Brown. AJ
went from Tennessee to Philly, so a team that was
perennial in the playoffs. You know, he went there. Normally,
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in free agency to go get big bucks, you generally
have to go somewhere and oyo this they they they
they ain't on the come.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, but.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But but the question is though the question again, hmmm,
thirty five, thirty six million, probably seventy five eighty million guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I see you in Vegas. Hey, I see you, I
see you in Vegas. Everybody got theirs. It's my turn.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I'll do. But this is what I do. Hope, Ojo.
I'm hoping they don't do this tagging correct.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, no, no, I just.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh yo, I just got I've tried to prepare you
for everything because I already know you're gonna flip out.
So I'm just going to prepare you. What's today? The
day is the sixteen, Thursday, the sixteen. I'm just preparing
you for that, O Joe day.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Hey, listen, I hear I hear you. I understand you preparing.
But let's not play that game.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Let's not play that game because if you tagging me,
let me know, you don't value me, you don't think
I'm worth what I can get on the open market.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Don't tag me, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's what I ay. I'm a firm believer in that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
O yo.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Hold on, Let's see what I'm worth. You don't think
I'm worth out asking for let me go.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And you know, and Jerry has had that conversation with
a lot of players here.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you explore
the over market and come back and tell us what
they think of.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Very few times when you let a guy because the
team gonna overbid for him because they already know what
I got to do. Now. First of all, it might
be a little easier because it's gonna be harder for
them Dallas too, if they let him test the open market.
It's gonna be harder because Pick doesn't have an attachment
to Dallas. He's only there for a year, so he
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might be viewing it as a rental O yo. And
I'm staying in this rental property. I'm gonna instid of
getting me a house they got these they got these apartments.
That's already furnished, furnished.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So he's not entrenched in the community. He hasn't been
there for four or five years. I don't know if
he's married or have a fiance, a girlfriend, or whatever
the case may be. But he doesn't. I don't know
if he has that there. I don't know if he
has kids there. So he's not in tu like somebody
that's been there six or seven years. So it's easier.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's a it's the least for the option to buy.
It's the least for the option to buy. And I
prefer get in that lease and going somewhere. We can
get what you deserve like every other receiver at your
position has everybody else, Oh yeah, for sure, And you
deserve to be paid like a number one.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Now that the Cowboys already have a number of receiver,
and the.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
One thing that they're gonna say upstairs over there with
in Jerry's world is well, we already paid.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Ceedee lamb x amount of dollars. We don't view you
as such because we.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Already have a number one. We're already have a number one. Okay,
you already know the game.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But it would be hard because of what they gave.
What they give him a third round pick for a
pick or fourth to get to give that up for
him and then and and just basically keep him as
a rental for a year. So that's why I think
Jerry might be more apt to signing. Jerry loves offense.
So if if if a player was to get some money,
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they gave a third in the fifth and that's the
next year's draft because he was signed, they traded for
him after the draft, so he gave a third in
the fifth in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, then you gotta think.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Then you have to think. It all comes to Dak
as well. What is Dak willing to do? How much
less is Dak willing to That's the thing not to
take so they can sign pick and then defense you
need defensive players.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You do something. The question is, oo, if you go
out in friends and you know you got to overpay,
do you believe you can hit it in it? Do
you believe you can hit it in the draft market
you believe you can draft the guy? Or because you
got your first rounders, you're not fin the draft?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
No, who you gonna draft it?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Gonna make it make a difference. You need a statement
piece on that defense.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Listen, when you.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Put your clothes on.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
When you put your clothes on, this for everybody in
the chat.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
When you put your clothes on, I know, I know
it's some women and now I know some fellas in
here too.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
When you put your clothes on, you got to have
one thing that stands out.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
That's a statement piece. Yes, how does Cowboys defense needs
a statement piece.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It could be a d tackle, it could be a corner,
it could be a safety.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
But you got you needed your statement piece. Gone over
there to drink.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I all know about you, Ojo. What I put my
clothes on, I'm a statement yeah. I mean if you
ain't that I feel I'm saying, yes, I got nice jewelry,
I got access.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Right right, right right, But you got piece. Listen when
a woman, when a woman gets dressed.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right, yes, woman gets pressed.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There are two things that make that that that for her,
that is a statement piece. It's either your bag or
is your heels one of the other, yeah, one of
the other.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What you're wearing that right, O Joe, you ain't wrong
when you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Now, I'm just saying I talk to you like I
w twenty six. I'm gonna talk to you twenty six
right now, waiting. I'm still on probation twenty six, y'all.
Unk back up, back, I Hey, my probation officer, he'd
be checking in. He'd be watching this show, you know,
every time to time he's like, okay, you know I
will have to write you up.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, okay, you're good.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, twenty six. You know I had to do you.
I got to do it. I had to do like
like twelve months, right, twelve Yeah, I had to do
twelve months probation.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
All right, Well, how long we got? What we got?
What were in October?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, probably round probably like April May
twenty six. Yeah, I'm a scout. I'm out like a
scout on a new route.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You
ain't got to wait that long, though. You know why
you ain't got to wait that long?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Why we ain't gonna win a long Listen.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
When New Year, when that ball drop on New Year's
ball drop, when the ball drop, you good to go?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You know why? But laft what it said?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Listen, they letting you off for good time, serve.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
A good time. Yeah, say they say, they say they'll
give me three days for every good day I've been good.
It's like the fans got the fab give you like
fifty four days for every year. Every year you sir,
hey just say.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Look, so hey, hey, Jerry twenty six, Jerry first, man,
You're good to go.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Man, We're back to normal, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Earlier today, Michael sounded off on how he's how he's
officiated in refs in general. Let's take a listen to
what Michael had to say.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
You know, five years is not getting a call. You
eventually start worrying about it, you know, but you know,
I think I just got to keep going. That's just
that's the hunt. Yeah, Like that's part of the challenges,
Like you just got to keep going. And that's bothersome
that that worries them. They know that, Like that's the
part of being one of the best. You know, that
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comes with uh, some territory where the person that you
hate and the person at the league lets go like
they know, like I mean, you can tell how they
call it gain. They don't call out sides for offense,
but they'll call on defense. They'll they won't call offensive
passing offerens, but they'll call defensive passing offerens. I mean,
like we know what you're trying to do. They want
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to load the points up so fans can be happy,
and you know what I mean, they'll call defensive holding,
but they won't call offensil holding, like like, let's just
wake up, Like it's just one of those things that
we know what the higher UPS's trying to do. Like
the ref would say, I know that's a whole but
what like you're not gonna call it, like come on,
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Like it's just one of those things that like I'm
over and I would just have to keep going, push through.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Ojo. He knows. He's like, you know what I should stop.
I shouldn't say anymore. But he can't help himself. Now, chat,
you tell me the great defensive player, the great defensive player.
I don't if you're my age. Let's just say you
between between the ages of sixty and twenty five, tell
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me the great defensive player. And we believe Michael Parsons
is a great defensive player that you've heard them complain
about being held. The LT's the Reggie wife, the Bruce
Smith of the Derek Thomas rest his soul, the Von Miller's,
the Aaron Donald's, the JJ Watts. Tell me the great
defensive player that you heard have a microphone get up
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on the platform and complain that they're not getting calls.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, you can't do that. Though, you can't do that
as a player. I mean, I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about myself as a receiver. I ain't complaining about no
holding because I'm getting Hell, that's my fault, that's my plot.
Michael Parsons is too good. He's too great at his position.
He's too great at what he does. And obviously on
the other thing. On the other on the flip side
of things, referees are graded. Those referees want to be
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able to call that Super Bowl, so the.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Better layoff super Bowl. Absolutely listen, that's a check.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
That's money for them.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
So they want to make as many calls as possible
based on what they can see with the naked eye.
Do they miss some calls and type of course, it's
human error, it happens. But they want a grade as
high as possible so they can be in on playoff games.
So they can so their team as a unit can
be in the super Bowl. They're graded, so they're not
just missing calls on purpose, but also as a player,
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a player of your magnitude, Now you should worry about that.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
If you get in hell, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't think I ever, I don't think i've ever
and I could be wrong, but and my memory is
pretty good. I think I can have great recall. I
don't think I've ever publicly complained. Man, they was holding
all game, and they ain't call it. May they been
hauling me all year. I'm gonna play through that. You
call it, you call it. That ain't my job because
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to see if I'm because what's gonna happen, I'm all
of a sudden start worried about the calls. They're gonna
throw the ball to go, beat me up, hit me
all the chance, all upside the head. And then what
then people go be like, was he holding on that one?
Or did you or did you just drop it? Right?
Don't complain, bro, Michael.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
You too good, way too good.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You're way too good for this and it's not so
guess what now? Oh yo, I'm gonna keep hey, I'm
gonna keep my pocket sold in my pocket. Now. I
hate for the pull it out. You're trying to put
us on blasts. Michael you you, Michael you too good
if you want to be thought of as one of
these greats. I mean, let's just take your error. Miles Garrett,
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ain't call it. Ain't complaining in TJ. Why they ain't complaining?
These guys ain't complaining, Michael you too good? Who cares
about what they're doing with the touch push? You're not
there when you have to defend it, Then you worry
about that you don't have to defend it. They don't listen.
They don't First of all, they're not listening to players that.
First of all, you're not a quarterback. They listen to nothing.
You gotta say. They only listen to quarterbacks. That's why
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they change the rules. That's why they let them have
the balls. It used to you get one day. Now
to get the balls for the whole week. Now you
can't hit the quarterback in the head. Now you can't
hit the quarterback in the knees. You can't tackle them
in below the ways in the pocket. To the quarterbacks.
They don't listen to other players. Because they did, they
wouldn't have the rules that they have. That's weighted against
the defense. Well, come on, Michael Man, you gotta stop this, bro.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And the funny thing about it is the game now
in this error is changed. It's handicap. It's handicapped for
this is handicapped, and the way in favor of the offense.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You already know that it's the deepest player. Just continue
to play, play through contact, play through the holes. Those
calls are gonna come. They're gonna they're gonna come. Don't
even don't even worry about it. Just continue to play
as well as you always do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Play to what we know you can do. Being one
of the best at your position. There is the reason
why you paid as much as you are.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
O Joe. What you do is that you have your coat,
you have your your video department, cut it up, the
holding calls your head coach to send it in. That's
what you do. Hey, I'm gonna take it out of
my hands, but have the video department. That's what everybody
else does. I guarantee you that's what the Steelers does.
That's that's what the Cleveland Browns does. Anybody that has
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air pass rusher, this is what they do. Okay. If
I got a good if I got a good receiver,
and I believe he's getting Hell, I'll go to I'll
cut it up and I'll send it to the official.
Here are the plays that we believe he was held
in this game. These are the plays that we believe
the guy got outside. These are the plays. That's what
you do. But you because people gonna look at you.
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It's like you're complaining, like the reason why because now
I think he got one sack, maybe two sacks, and
people like, oh, you're making forty seven million dollars a
year and here we are six games in and you
got one sack, you got two sacks. Yeah, it's gonna
look like you're complaining. And I don't think Mike is
a complainer. I know he's frustrated because when you get
that kind of big money, ohhoe, you know you've gotten paid.
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The one thing you want to do. You want to
go show the world why they paid you the big dollars.
And I ain't tried. I ain't tried it. Like, hey,
the moment I get that money, oh man, o Joe
got paid. Yeah, let me go. Let me go out
here and drop me by the one fifty and two
to them. Let him know why they paid me.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He quickening her, and don't hit and don't care who
out there, and don't care who holding If I get here,
it's my phone.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I ain't doing yep.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
And that's how that's how Michael is gonna have to
look at it. But I think the thing is that
when you do it something like this, people are gonna
look at you. It's like, man, Michael wine, and he's
complaining the other and the other teams like, hey, hold it,
make them call it, make them call it. And then
all he's gonna do is get he's gonna get more
and more frustrated. So just play through it. Michael. You
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you're you're too good of a player to let stuff
like this. I get it. I know you're frustrated. First
of all, I don't believe, Michael. I don't believe this
is what. This is how you This is why you
gotta be careful with what you say. Because when things
weren't going his way where he said, he tweeted, he
wanted to he wanted to get traded. He put on
X he wanted to get traded. I no longer want
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to be a cowboy, he said. He said that on YO.
A lot of time. We said all the time, Mojoe
with emotion. This is our logic is oh, be careful,
there's power in the tongue. Yeah. Yeah, he said he wanted.
That's not what he really wanted. He wanted to put
the pressure on the cowboys. But you had already back
Jerry in the corner. Jerry wasn't backing down. You had
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already you already, you already had backed the man in
the corner. Uh. He felt he had a handshake deal.
And now you come in and this is I'm just
telling you what Jerry felt. Jerry is a man. First
of all, you know how people empower people in position
of power, people to have money. They ain't backing down.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Then hold on, you're not finna bully. You're not finna bully.
Not many own us nothing, not many on us. Absolutely
not no.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
No. So that's where that's where they that's that's that's
what happened. But Michael, just keep playing. There come you
understand sacks are like sax of like bananas and great,
they come in bunches. Hey, you might go, oh Joe,
you might go a game with you and not get
any and then you'll go three games where you half six. Yeah,
and day. You know, you're like you look up like, damn,
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like I got seven.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Cents that fast, And that's just how it happened. It
always happens like that. Yes, it happens like that. Hell,
sometimes you're going to get your Hey, I go two
for thirty five, I go four.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
For sixty Damn, man, man in one game, man shoot
eleven to sixty six for one ninety?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
What God themn?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There? You go? And it has every.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Look at Chase two weeks ago, forty yards yep, look
at the past two weeks. It's the nature of the business.
It's the nature of the game. It always happened like that.
You're not gonna go crazy every week, no matter how
great you are.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
No no, no, no, no, no no, but it gonna you know.
I mean, but here is the thing. Chase Chase crazy
at sixteen. Here's a his' a his good sense. He nine,
that's the thing. You look at him against Green Bay
he had nine, Like damn, we slowed him down. Now
you pop off with sixteen. He got twenty five catches
in two games. So where he was You're like, damn, hey, Chase,
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say winning no triple crowd this year. You sure about that?
Are you sure? Pop? I forgive you.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's amazing, it's amazing. It's amazing. What happens when you
get a quarterback forty years old, fifty years old. If
you can throw and sling the ball and they can
keep up right so you can deliver said.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Ball, this is what you get. And it's not easy.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Because we had Jake Browning, well, hell he.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Should be able to do it. No.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Now you take Joe Flacco who got benched in Cleveland,
and you put him here at the Bengals offense, with
elite talent around him at the receiver position, a decent
running back, the officer line that everybody been talking trash about,
and they they play they part.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Who you are gonna win. Everything starts up front. Everything.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Look, do your job, whatever your job is, whatever your job,
whatever is required you to do to do your job,
that's what you gotta do. Don't worry. I'm not working. Listen,
I'm not worried about the offensive line because that ain't
my job. Now, if when it comes my time, I
got a pass block, now I gotta worry about it. Okay,
what we got? Who am I, Gilligan, I'm on an island.
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Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Protected?
At Sharpe? I got you inside, so I can sit
heavy outside knowing I got help inside. If I ain't
got no help inside, I gotta sit down inside and
then hopefully I can run his ass by the quarterback
the quarterback and step up. But you just got to
do your job. I can't worry about it. I can't
worry about what the safety doing and what the linebacker doing,
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and what the d N doing on your I gotta
worry about what a foe doing because at the end
of the day, I'm getting graded. I'm getting graded on
what I'm doing, not worthy or not worried about what
somebody else is doing. To apologize for criticizing teammates from
being late to a player's only meeting, let's take a
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listen to what Tua had to say here, this full statement.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Made a mistake, and I'm owning up to that right now.
You know, I talked to guys on the team about it,
talk to the leaders about it, and you know that.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
They know my heart.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
They know that the intent was right.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
But no matter the intent, you know the intent can
be right, But when things get misconstrued or however the
media wants to portray it, you know that that leads
a void of silence and a lot of questions. For
the guys on our team now being one in five,
you know, we talk a lot about all right, we
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got to get this going. We got to get this going,
come in excited to go to work. Forget about the noise.
And I feel like I just added onto that fok
for our guys, you know, for for myself, I got
to look at myself as as a leader protecting the team.
I don't feel like I did that to the best
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of my abilities. I felt like I let the emotions
of the game get to me after the game. And
you know that's something that I can learn from as
a leader on this team. And what happens in house
should be protected and none of that should have gotten out.
And so I want to publicly apologize about that. I
want to move forward, and now I want to focus
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on cleeveand Browns.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Hey. I love Tour.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I love him to death, you know, I love I
love what he stands for, I love what he represents.
Being one and five, you also have to be self aware.
It's all It's all about being self aware. If you
have meetings, if you had things that go inside go
on in house, they have to stay in house. You
should know that, whether you five and one or WAYD
one and five, there's certain things that you don't talk
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about the media. As a quarterback, as a leader of
that team, as a person with that C on your chest,
it is your duty to protect those that are in
that locker room. It's your duty so to put it
out there in the media and say what some of
the other players are doing, I haven't done.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
That is you know what.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm not gonna use the word. I'm not gonna use
that word tonight. But it's throwing people under the bus.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You can't do that.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You can't always be truthful. Sometimes it's okay not to
tell the truth. The problem.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
You got me, you got me, you got me.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But but in all honesty, yes, sir. The only problem
I have with this now, the media misconstrueded. Yes, how
do the players? Okay, if you have said what you said,
the meters didn't say anything. Your teammates heard what you said,
So if anybody misconstrued it, they misconstrued it because the
media didn't put no spin on it. All they did
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was had a bunch of microphones and tape recorders there.
You said what you said, unprompted, yes, unprompted so and
to use all your's term, he drys nich Ain't nobody
asked him? Didn't players come late for practice? Was you?
When you had a player's only meeting? The media didn't
know nothing about it, didn't know anything about that meeting.
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You brought that up. And then you also brought up
that there are players that were late or didn't cut
or didn't rive on time, or maybe didn't you come
to the meeting at all?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
You did that?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
How would it you see? That's the problem that I
have just on up to it and says, you know
what I was wrong? Don't add the media. The media
didn't do anything. All they did was put the put
the microphones in front of you, and you volunteer that. So,
in other word, you dry snitch, unprompted information that no
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one ask you for. Now, with that being said, there
was no choice. And I saw in the chat someone
said that that was Tom Brady or Troy Aikman. Everybody
would have been there on time. I told y'all that
the other day they don't respect them as a leader.
But y'all don't want to see when because I'm not
in the locker room. You don't think I know what
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I'm talking about. But I'm been a leader, and I
guarantee you every time I've called a meeting, which wasn't
very many, or anytime I had something god showed up
on time, y'all, there was a respect level there that
was earned, not what I deserved based on what I
had done. I had earned the right to call a
meeting based on the way I conducted myself, the way
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I played, the way I practiced, the way I met,
and what I had accomplished. So I had earned their respect. Yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And you know what, matter of fact, if you do
if they did have a meeting that they didn't show
up to or they weren't on time, and this could be.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
A tall tail and why they didn't, Yeah, for sure,
what happens.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Look, I mean so that there might be an underlying
issue that we don't even know about that has been
going on.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Fact. Oh well, let let's keep it as two guys
that spent time in locker rooms, yes, that played the
game at an extreme high level. He's it.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
And you know what, even though he came out and apologize,
it's too late now because how do you think that
tastes that bad taste that's in those players' mouths that
you talked about that know they were late or one
on time to that meeting. How do you think the
other teammates feel? How do you think they're looking at
even though he's a quarterback, how do you think they're
viewing you? Now?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's not the same, monk, and it would never be
the same. So this makes everything even worse.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
On top of being one in five, you get to
forget the football aspect because now you open up a
whole new can of worms.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I give you a prime example, O Joe. You in
the courtroom, Yeah, one of the attorneys says something. The
other attorney stands up and says, I object. The judge says, sustained.
How do I make the jury unhear what they heard?
They heard it. Whether it's sustained doesn't matter. Too late
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or he'll allow it. I've already heard what that man
wanted me to get out here or she wanted to say,
So you can't make me unheal what I heard. I
get the apology. The best apologies change behavior. We're going
to see moving forward, the greater the player, the greater
the leeguway is that's with anything. Yeah, First of all,
when you say Troy e Man tom Brady, first of
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all too, it is not on that level. Second of all,
they've garnered so much respect. You see how the players
with the bat for Troy tom Brady, that's a whole
different animal. We're not. Don't ever put tom Brady tom Brady,
he's reserved. There might have been three or four other
guys in the history of the game that garner the
respect that tom Brady to. It isn't one of those
three or four guys. With that being said, you have
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to be mindful Ojo, because and this is what I
tell guys that I think, at some point in time
will be leaders. You don't know who's actually watching you,
what you do, what you say, how you do it.
But all I can tell you is this, if they
see you behave in a certain type of manner and
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you make money and you get things, they'll behave that
same way because they believe that it is acceptable behavior.
So even though you don't know who's watching, if they're watching,
or why they're watching. Just always try to put your
best foot forward. That's all you can do. He will
learn from this, hopefully. It's hard for me to believe
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that a guy that played at Alabama, played at such
a high level, at such a prestigious program, wouldn't know
that you can't throw teammates under the bus that sometimes
Oho sometimes look and we talked about this, Ohoe all
the time as a coach. Sometimes you got a lot
to your playoffs. Don't think they can win. Hey, we
can beat these teams. We can beat them. Hey we
do X, Y and Z. Sometimes you gotta lie because
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sometimes it calls great hurt, harm or embarrassment, and it
might have caused all three. Now, like you said, how
do we get that back? I'm not so sure so
because I'm thinking, Bro, when you go home, you be
pillow talking like a mofolk.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, it is no, there's no way. There's no way
to get that back. Huh, there's no way to get
it back. There's only one thing that cures everything. There's
one thing that cures everything. If they can do that,
my point exactly, whining is the only thing that canna
cure it, but I still think they won't view him
the same in that same light. No matter what you're
can apologize, you can say everything, you can talk to
him quite you know, privately. But once you leave that
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locker room and you out of that space that's supposed
to give you to worry about any of the bullshit
you have to do it with on the outside world.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Right now, you gotta deal with it when I.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Come to work my own quarterback, right nah, man, they
never gonna look at it the same.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
That's why I say that's what quarterbacks court. If you notice,
the most of the great quarterbacks, no matter how good
they play or how bad they play, they always take responsibility.
When Peyton Manning they lost the game, Peyton mann said,
I gotta play better. It's on Don Brady says, I
got to play better. Guys John l Way and guys
would always say I need to play better. They never
said even though they played great, a drop pass here,
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mister Simon there, the defense gave up points late. They
always put the owners on themselves. That's a part of
being a leader. If you're the leader, even though somebody
made a mistake, I'll take it. That's on me. Now
I'll call them and say, hey, we need to make
sure this doesn't happen again, make sure we get it corrected.
But this is on me, and that's what Tua needs
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to understand. You would like to think a guy that's
been the quarterback for an extended period of time at levels.
He's a high school quarterback, normally the quarterback is the leader.
Not always, but the majority of the time. I would
say eighty percent of the time, because a lot of
time the best player is the quarterback O Joe. So
he's normally the leader. In college, it probably kicks up
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eighty five percent in the post. I don't know if
I've ever seen a starting quarterback that didn't have the
see since they've been allowed it. Have you, No, I
haven't either. So with that being said, he just has
to be mindful. It's a mind field of what's going on.
And it's easy to get frustrated, especially with like you said,
when you're losing, you're one and five, Because if they're
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they're five and one and they're six and zero, ain't
nobody eight. We're not having late Even if guys are
late to practice, ain't nobody said a word. We're not
having this conversation. You should have nip this in the
bud a year ago or two years ago when you
were winning and you were allowing guys to show up late.
That's when you nip it in the bud. But you
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allow things on a win. Now, it's a problem when
you lose. You see, when you lose, Ojoe, it's not
how we play it on the field, it's all the
other things, all the other things. Like I said, you
don't win a football game on Sunday. You win a
football game Monday through Friday. Yes, that's when you win
the games in your How we meet, how do we practice,
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how do we study? How do we prepare? Did we
get treatment like we're supposed to. If we got a
little nagging, did we did we take care of it
before it became a big issue. Hopefully to have learned
this lesson. Hopefully he does. It is tough because if
they don't start winning games, it doesn't it doesn't matter,
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It doesn't matter. And I and I and look like
I said, the greatest apology is change behavior. We're going
to see go ahead, o yo, right, you change behavior?
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, it's not changed behavior off the off the field,
it's the change behavior on the field. Create you know
what the best sorry is for his teammates, your performance
and how you playing. Being a difference maker, being that
you are the quarterback, being that you do make the
most money on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
That means your level of play has to be up here.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
It has to be eons above everybody else, especially when
you come out and you do something like this.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Well, hold on, you can't be stinging up the joint.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
No, then going in front of the camera and tell
him what we got going on behind closed doors and
then looking like.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know what out on the right.
Speaker 7 (54:18):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (54:21):
Thrown.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You got the whole locker room looking at you. Funny,
I'm telling you, and I'm not even in there. I'm
telling you. He can fix it. But he can fix
it with his plate, with his play. It'll be all smiles.
If even if he would have been wrong, even if
he had thrown for four hundred yards and four touchdowns,
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he exacerbated the term aggravate, which means to make worse.
He aggravated the situation. It was already bad ojo, but
he aggravated the situation. Why Ojoe? Because he threw three
pigs So he made us situation. That was bad. He
made it worse with his plate. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Well listen, it was already a fire, right, it was
already a fire. Yep, so it was already fire.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
He took the goddamn gasoline and threw it on the fire.
But shit, all it did was make the fire goddamn bigger.
It made it worse, made it worse. Now you're gonna
have hell putting it out? For sure? Is that my?
Is that me or you? O? Joe? What I do?
I'm right here, I'm looking at you. Oh okay, because
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for a second I couldn't hear you. Oh yeah, I'm good.
I'm good. Okay, sure, yeah, you're good. And what what
has happened on Joe? Is that for a fire to burn, yeah,
needs oxygen. What he gave the fire was oxygen. A
fire will not burn. Hey, you could have the biggest
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fire robbins of it of its oxygen. You see a candle,
put a dish, put a jar over the candle. It
can't get it any more oxygen. It'll go out. You
gave it oxygen. That's why when people say things, oh yo,
we have to be careful how we respond because we
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give it it oxygen and it'll keep burning. See, things
will burn as long as it has oxygen. Let it die.
He could have just let it die. Oh yeah, I
understand that he sees that. I understand that he's upset.
You're losing ball games that you don't think you should
have lost. Guys are coming in two minutes, five minutes
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tim how a minute late. They're late to media, late
to practice. You know, it doesn't seem to be important.
They're not as attentive as they need to be. Yes,
it can get frustrated, especially especially and like I said,
I don't know what he's actually like. I've been around
players that it was the end all be all. Everybody
is not like that the end all be all right,
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but it's probably it was probably bothering him. He's like, well,
this is probably why are losing. Guys are not taking
this as serious as they need to. Okay, but if
they had, if they held you in such high regard,
if they respected you as the leader, they're not coming late.
They're just not I mean a little thing. Lo cho,
(57:17):
hey man, chase this out, man, we need a let's
do so, let's let's go to the movies after a
workout on Monday. Guess what, Fifteen twenty of us go
to the movies. Hey man, let's go bowling. Fifteen twenty
of us go bowling. It's things like that. But they
gotta respect you. Guys don't respect you, they they're gonna
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blow you off. It's really that simple to it. You're
gonna have to play better. You're gonna have to be better,
not just on the field, because leadership is just not
a calling plays and then the hold and you got
to see on your jersey. You got to it's off
the field, Lodjo's. It's things like that. You suppress things
that Mike McDaniel are upstate hairs don't even know about.
Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns in general manager Andrew
Berry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Oh cho,
Let's take a listen to what Mike T had to say.
You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Andrew Barry must be a lot smarter than me or us,
because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a
quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening
day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But that's just my personal feelings. Look, Mike T don't
that's not his style. Mike T don't normally involve Hey,
he always say that's not us, that's not the Pittsburgh
Stevens business. But why you think Mike t uh stepped
out of character?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, listen, they asked him a question, You asked him
a question. He gained something different, He gained some different
and obviously even he has to always showface and be
someone that he not.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know what I feel like being myself today?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I like that one thing I told young that I
want coaches, I want players the obviously start doing.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Sometimes I want to tell the truth. Sometimes I want to.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Say exactly how they feel I want the locker room talk,
the conversations that had to be said in front of camera.
Now what he just said, just there is something he
would say if there were no cameras rolling. I enjoyed that.
That's authenticity, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So you like what Tua said? Who Tua?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
No, I don't like that part.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Now that's authenticity.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, no, no, I don't like that. See I'm listen.
That's I'm not I'm not throwing nobody downder the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You said you wanted authenticity and you're not.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know, listen to me. I don't like the snitching
on people. I don't like that part.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You want authenticity. You get to pick and choose what's authentic.
If it's authentic, you want it. That's what you said chat?
Is that what he said?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Oh? That that you're confusing.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You don't don't put authentic and snitching together. That's that's
not that's not together.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I like.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I like Mike thomas answer because there's something most coaches
or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera.
So the fact that he did say it and it
was out of character for him as a head coach,
means it's authentic.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's how he really feels.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So let me your question.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Who it did is too? Where was snitching and throwing
people under the bus that he got?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Were they late? Were they late? Did they miss? Did
he lie?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What tour said is what he was said. If the
cameras weren't there.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's that's called snitching on cameras are not.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You said you want people to be authentic. Now you
want them to be authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Sometimes you see you're going from you're going from one
spectrum to the other. So if we would talking about two,
I would say that snitching like I did yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But at Mike. Now we talked about Mike Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Is he being truthful? Is he being truthful? Yeah? Who Tua?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't know. We weren't there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We don't know. He's come on you, how can it
if if if he can't be snitching.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Then oh we weren't there.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We weren't there, so he ain't snitching. No's how you
know you weren't there.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Exactly because just the context and perspective of what I
have to go off for you saying what we shouldn't
I said nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Let me say something we.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It shouldn't As a quarterback, we shouldn't know anything about
what Mike Tom was thinking. Why not?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Why not try to compare the two.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I just said, you said you want authenticity. You said
you want people to tell the truth. Who was telling
the truth. He was telling what he experienced, Guys coming late,
guys missing. You didn't like that cause you said it's snitching.
But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth.
You want people. I want people to be themselves. That
what they said.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Wait a minute, they stay with me. Stay with me now, now,
I don't mind. I don't like the snitching part. You
don't throw your teammates under the bus as a captain,
as a quarterback, you always take issues and put.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Them on yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That I do.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Now, Mike tomlan just giving his his his perspective based
on you know, the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Sure, just give me his perspective of why they're losing.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No, stop stop trying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I just go about what you say. You say you
want people to live in their truth. You say you
say I just want people Sometimes I just want people
to come up there and tell what's on their mind.
That's what you told me. I said, Oh, Joe, you
can't do that. You say, why not? Unh I say,
because it's a been a detriment to the team. You say,
I don't care. I just want it to be true.
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I just want people to stay. You say, stay, stay
with me, just for a second, Stay with me right now.
I said, Okay, I'm gonna stay with Yojo.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I don't understand what you don't understand. I understand.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Listen, all tour did with say, guy and the reason
why we're losing. We got the reason why we're losing
is that when we have a meeting and we schedule
a meeting, are guys gonna show up? Are they going
to show up on time? When we say we're gonna
do this? Are we gonna do it? Tell what he's
saying the truth?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That ain't nobody in business. That ain't nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, you don't conduct yourself like that as a
player and about your players. You know that you don't
put that business out there like that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know
he done got everybody in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We all going to jails the tour, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So in other words, you don't want people telling the
truth all the time? Right? Come again, So you're saying
you don't want people to tell the truth all the time, correct.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I don't want people snitching snitching. There's a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, you're not in the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their
answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked.
Those are two different scenarios.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
How about this here, snitching only takes place in the street.
The street of snitching. When you partaking that activity, you're
supposed to be a cold You and I do not
partake in that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Well, there's also an NFL code.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Anything what is it inside that locker room should not
be talked about in front of cameras or at home.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time. Huh.
So we should tell the truth all the time.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, you should. You just shouldn't snitch.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We can.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We gotta live by a code. If we don't live
by a code, what are we living for?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So we got so the locker room got the same
code as the street.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yes, yeah, what you mean, Yes, the same.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's the same man got to live by the cold.
I'm just saying, yeah, you gotta live by the cold.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And listen, it's an unwritten rule too. Somebody didn't even
have to explain it. You just understand and know in
that environment what you can and cannot do.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's as a quarterback in the NFL, or if the
coach in the NFL. There are things that you can
and cannot do. Thank you. That's all I want to hear.
We move on, thank you. That's all I wanted you
to say.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right right, But then you have some people like myself that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That choose to do the opposite.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yes, that's all I wanted you to say. Oh yo,
I'm like this man about Hey, I'll go up there,
but I why can't the quarterback you put people on blast?
Why can't the quarterback he show you no good will?
That quarterback can't do that?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Can Moore came out and said, I'm gonna be honest
with y'all. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We fucking asked like that was refreshing. Humph, that was refreshing.
I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric.
Politically correct from the same goddamn screen.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It was refreshing that that tour told us the truth
that God's becoming in late, that God be missing things.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It was she No, it was not. Hey, that goddamn campboard,
now that was some funny ship.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Asking the ass tour, what's going on all tour said
the reason one of the reasons, we might be. We
gotta take it serious. We gotta make up our minds.
Are we gonna come into on time or the meetings
that we schedule, are we gonna attend them? He was
just being honest.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, I got you, I got you. Oh shoot, this man.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Had told me. This man been telling me it's fresh
and it's a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It is like, but you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know, but I understand you said you want it.
I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that
come along with it, because I don't know, you know.
According to reports as NY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the
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support of some people in the Jets building as there
to be one over Fields that feels like Justin was
giving the job without any competition. Yes he was. Justin
Fields got two years at forty million, and Tyrod got
back up money.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes, m hm, hey, I'm I'm mad things aren't working out.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Honestly, To be honest, I really I really thought, I
really thought this has been really really good. Finally, justin
Fields you get your opportunity, you get your team, you
get to be quarterback number one. You don't have to
look over your shoulder, you don't have to worry about
you know, Russell Wilson or or you know, being pulled
to understand whenever you comes Cago, yeah, Chicago, anything, go.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like god damn. Finally he gets his team. He goes
to a place where they actually won him, correct where
they actually on him. And that's one of the greatest
feelings in the world. And for some reason, obviously it
just hadn't panned out. It hadn't panned out.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The win.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
As as good as justin Fields is, I've seen the
flashes of brilliance from him, whether it be throwing the ball,
whether it be running the ball or escaping the pocket,
and just just extending plays. I mean, he can do
it and just have to find a way to string
string all those qualities together consistently.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Over and over look, Tyrod is not the athletic nam
that he's not. I mean Tyrod when he came into
the league. Now Tyrod Athletic Virginia Tech.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Now he can go.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Now he was the backup that Joe Flacco when it
won the championship. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. Ty
Rocket played absolutely can he can play? And so I
agree with you. But for whatever reason, it hasn't clicked
yet for justin fields. It still takes a while for
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him to process it, Oh Joe. And you know, at
this level, at that level in which he's playing at
what you and I played at, that clock's gotta go off, guys,
they're gonna be running Scott Free. Go yeah, guys are
not gonna be running Scott Free. You gotta throw, guys open,
you gotta you gotta throw with great anticipatory skills. And
right now it's just like he's glitching. Bro, you can't
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hand on to that ball, brut This ain't seven O seven?
They coming.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think I think they give him a couple
more games, O Joe, I do, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Absolutely, I mean it's too soon. It's too soon to
pull the plug right now.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh Joe. I'm not going oh to nine and not
make changes I've got to make some changes.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
What are they right now?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They're on and six? I go to seventh, O N eight?
What what come on with yoe? What you want me
to go fifteen? Before I make a move?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's the next three games.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And you know once you once you make that move,
if you go from if you go from Justin fields,
the Tyrod Taylor, that just that just erases and scratches everything.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
As far as him, Well, I'm trying to win games.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, about the future Panthers, Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Bengals, Browns.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Ship, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's either now never. He won't get an easier stretch easier,
he won't get an easier stretch.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You just did you just hit it?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
How many games of the Panthers won? Two? Three, three
and three? Right?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Did you just see that the Panthers demolished the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Or no? They're three and three? Okay? What what are
the Bengals two and four? What's Cleveland? Two and four?
Browns are one and five? So you got a three
and three, two and four and a one and five
not to give me the next three?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They got it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They got a chance of winning winning one out of
those three because they ain't beating the pants of the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Okay, they might be the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, they might be the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now Lamar be back by then.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Hey, if things don't go well, do you even bring
Lamar back at all?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Or you just let them?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah? Okay, being fifty million dollars, you damn right, I'm
bringing it back. Hell, you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
The no chance at the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I mean, who said they ain't got no chance at
the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I'm just saying if they don't, depending on when he
comes back, well.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I mean, look then on the bye week this week,
so this will be three weeks, almost four weeks a month.
How severe was the hamstring injury?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, oh well he'll be back there, He'll be back
next week, then.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Ceede. Lamb sat out the past three games with a
high ankle sprange. Today, he said he could have played
last week against the Panthers, but he said another week
so he could be fully healthy without limitations. He will
not be on a pitch count against the Commanders. I
feel like I'm moving around, running around, being me happy
as I can be. Obviously, just believing in my ankle. Obviously,
I feel like it's back to where I need it
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to be. Oh, Joe, yeah, what you think you talk
to me?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm excited. I'm excited the fact that he said in
him knowing his body. I could have came back last week.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But I want to wait one more week to make
sure I don't have to worry about nothing. I don't
have to worry about nothing, So for me, that makes
that offense in Dallas even that much more scarier.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And you know what's going to happen is hell, Chase
got how many targets you got to night?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Mad? Chase had eighteen targets?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Eighteen targets.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Don't say, Joe, he got his hands on all eighteen
of them. It wouldn't last without a bus or did
have no chance. He literally got his hand on all eighteen.
With your people, don't realize how hard that is to
have that many targets and to actually put your hands
on all eight eighteen.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wouldn't be surprised if the getting back on track
after missing three games. I won't be surprised if if
goddamn CD had fifteen targets next week.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I won't be surprised at all. I won't be surprised
at all at all. And listen, man, honestly, I told.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I told CD, I didn't when he got her, I said, listen,
I can have you back in the week, right, I
can have you back in the week.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But he would look looking at the like when he
did that, looking at it. I said, man, that's three weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely that thing.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, let me take that back. Chase had twenty three targets,
oh yoe, twenty three. Twenty three targets. I think the
most I've ever had OO was like fifteen.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Hey, I don't know. I can't even tell you that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
But I don't think we track targets like they do now.
I don't think. I'm just saying. You know, you go
back and look at the films, and you know they
throw the ball over your head, that's a target. He
throw the ball fifteen feet over my damn head and
out of bounds. That's a target. I mean, if you
was a sniper and I was your target and you
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shot like that, people go like, nah, that wasn't no,
you off target.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And that's another thing I like about flac oh two
is he makes every ball count. He makes every ball
count because every ball he throws, he gonna give you
a chance to get it. Yeah, you're gonna give you
a chance.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
To get it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I guess they count targets when they throw the ball
at these pi, So anything that comes your way.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, they count that too. Okay, okay, of cause, man.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh okay. You imagine what you could have done with
twenty plus targets.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Right man?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Is impossible? I mean I'm just thinking. I'm thinking it
would only be possible in this era. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it would only be possible in this era. I wouldn't
have when when to caught twenty passes? I wonder how
many targets he had. Yeah, Marshall has the record, he has.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Twenty one, yep.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Brand Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So if you catch twenty balls, oh Joe, you gotta
have you got at least twenty three, twenty four, maybe
even twenty five targets.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Hey, matter of fact, you know how many yards I
would have?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You got to think I averaged maybe maybe six yards
a game, six maybe seven catches a game if that,
But mine were always.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Now, you ain't have that many catches, cause you ever
had one hundred catch season? No, hell, no, that's what
I'm saying. So if you average six catch six catches
a game in sixteen games, that's ninety six catches. What's
the most catcher you had in the season?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
About right there, about ninety six?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, But I was I was a yardage.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Monster because everything I caught was ten fifteen.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Years That's how it was. Oh y'o long. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I have eleven hundred yards in three touchdown
and then somebody else got four hundred yards and they
got six. I'm like, man, thron't we something? But we
got close to the gold line? TV gonna run that end.
We not throwing no ball unless it's thirty something. But
other than that, man, he get that pay TV running
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that end. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's amazing, man, just the era of the era of
football that we're in now, and they pulled the ball
so much.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Damn. I can only wish.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh Joe Dak Prescott said he plans to speak with
Jared Jones about the importance of keeping George Pickens with
the Cowboys beyond this season. I've been a little busy,
but I will when I run into him in that
time of privacy, I'll make sure. But here's The thing though,
Jack running in, Okay, you want to keep him? Are
you willing to take less than your sixty million? Because okay,
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you got sixty. George Pickens is gonna want max dollars.
He's like, because this is his first body the apple,
He's gonna say that you've had three bites said the apple.
I've never had a big bite of the apple, and
I'm gonna take as big a bite as I possibly.
As a matter of fact, I might be a horse.
I might eat the whole damn apple down a bite.
I want to hold damn apple. So that's the question.
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You know, you want all these great players. That's what Brady.
Did you see what Mahomes is doing? The question is
are you willing to take a little haircut. I'm not
saying you got to give him twenty million, but I'm saying,
are you willing to take Say, if you can get
sixty three sixty four million, are you willing to take
fifty fifty seven so George Pickens can get his thirty
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because he's gonna want somewhere between thirty two and thirty
six million dollars. That's what George Pickin's gonna want because
he see what DK got. He sell. He see what
Terry McLaurin got. And I guarantee you, George Pickens believe
he's every bit as good as DK metcalf and Terry
McLaury he.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Is, he is.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And I'm not sure Dak is the pinning the pinning.
I'm not sure that has already got his money already
he uh.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Da got one more year on that contract or the up.
But I think he had a monster cap number. I
think he got like something like eighty million in cap.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, Dak then got fair. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't see him doing that. I would like I
would like him to allow to a low pick.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
What's is? What's his cap number next year? Dak? Oh? Yeah,
they got to do something with that. His cap here
to seventy four million, know, Joe, you got to redo
that deal. Damn you got to redo that in sixty
eight you got oh bro, you got to do oh
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you definitely, they definitely, they definitely, they're definitely going to
redo that deal. They're not going to let that man
play what.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But what do you think, though, do you think that
will take less to be able to keep pick?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's what Jerry that's what Jarry's gonna ask him. You
mean Jerry excuse me, Yes, that dude, that's what Jerry's
gonna ask that. Are you willing to take less so
we can ensure we can put better players around you?
If Patrick Mahons doesn't do what he does. You're not
able to keep Chris Jones. You're not able. You're not
You're not able to keep the Travis Kelson and keep
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it together Coloftus, Hey, they're gonna have to do something
with Trip McDuffie.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Oh a trend nice on.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, So you're able to keep all these pieces together
because you got Creed Humphrey on a big deal. You
got your want your right tackle. Now you hit it
out of the park because your left side looks really good.
The left tackle Simmons, even the guy that came the
backup did an extremely great job the other night. But
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you have to you have to, Uh, you got to
give up something on Joe. It's really it's really that simple.
The question is when we had growing up, financially we struggle.
M My grandma said, boy, what's gonna beat this month?
The phone, the light of the gas, one of the
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other I can't pay them all Son. I mean, it's
really that simple. Hey, you need the phone in case
we got to call somebody the lights so you could
do your homework, or you and your brother gonna have
to go down there and chart and chop wood. We
pulled that, We pulled our heat away from the fireplace. Hey,
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if we go cut down a tree, we pay. It's
really that simple that what you want. You want to
be the highest paid quarterback, or you want to be
sixth or seventh and have have talent around you to
help you, because guess what, o Joe, you're gonna need
some defensive help too.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
But I think me honestly allowed Pick to go get
his thing, allowed allowed Pick to go get what he
deserving of. And I don't think Jerry's is gonna open
up his pocketbook like that and cut the check that
in deserving of getting.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh you are his agent, is the same guy that
represented uh Michael Parsons. Oh yeah, David mule Gatta.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna were gonna let Pick going.
We need we need to go and get his money
over there in Las Vegas. Over there in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They'll pay. Now, the ques, the question is you know,
o Jo, normally when you go in free agency, everybody
don't have the luxury like a A J. Brown. AJ
went from Tennessee to Philly, so a team that was
perennial in the playoffs. You know, he went there. Normally,
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in free agency to go get big bucks, you generally
have to go somewhere and oyo this they they they
they ain't on the come.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, but.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But but the question is though the question again, hmmm,
thirty five, thirty six million, probably seventy five eighty million guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I see you in Vegas. Hey, I see you, I
see you in Vegas. Everybody got theirs. It's my turn.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I'll do. But this is what I do. Hope, Ojo.
I'm hoping they don't do this tagging correct.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, no, no, I just.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh yo, I just got I've tried to prepare you
for everything because I already know you're gonna flip out.
So I'm just going to prepare you. What's today? The
day is the sixteen, Thursday, the sixteen. I'm just preparing
you for that, O Joe day.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Hey, listen, I hear I hear you. I understand you preparing.
But let's not play that game.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Let's not play that game because if you tagging me,
let me know, you don't value me, you don't think
I'm worth what I can get on the open market.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Don't tag me, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's what I ay. I'm a firm believer in that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
O yo.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Hold on, Let's see what I'm worth. You don't think
I'm worth out asking for let me go.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And you know, and Jerry has had that conversation with
a lot of players here.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you explore
the over market and come back and tell us what
they think of.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Very few times when you let a guy because the
team gonna overbid for him because they already know what
I got to do. Now. First of all, it might
be a little easier because it's gonna be harder for
them Dallas too, if they let him test the open market.
It's gonna be harder because Pick doesn't have an attachment
to Dallas. He's only there for a year, so he
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might be viewing it as a rental O yo. And
I'm staying in this rental property. I'm gonna instid of
getting me a house they got these they got these apartments.
That's already furnished, furnished.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So he's not entrenched in the community. He hasn't been
there for four or five years. I don't know if
he's married or have a fiance, a girlfriend, or whatever
the case may be. But he doesn't. I don't know
if he has that there. I don't know if he
has kids there. So he's not in tu like somebody
that's been there six or seven years. So it's easier.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's a it's the least for the option to buy.
It's the least for the option to buy. And I
prefer get in that lease and going somewhere. We can
get what you deserve like every other receiver at your
position has everybody else, Oh yeah, for sure, And you
deserve to be paid like a number one.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Now that the Cowboys already have a number of receiver,
and the.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
One thing that they're gonna say upstairs over there with
in Jerry's world is well, we already paid.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Ceedee lamb x amount of dollars. We don't view you
as such because we.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Already have a number one. We're already have a number one. Okay,
you already know the game.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But it would be hard because of what they gave.
What they give him a third round pick for a
pick or fourth to get to give that up for
him and then and and just basically keep him as
a rental for a year. So that's why I think
Jerry might be more apt to signing. Jerry loves offense.
So if if if a player was to get some money,
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they gave a third in the fifth and that's the
next year's draft because he was signed, they traded for
him after the draft, so he gave a third in
the fifth in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, then you gotta think.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Then you have to think. It all comes to Dak
as well. What is Dak willing to do? How much
less is Dak willing to That's the thing not to
take so they can sign pick and then defense you
need defensive players.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You do something. The question is, oo, if you go
out in friends and you know you got to overpay,
do you believe you can hit it in it? Do
you believe you can hit it in the draft market
you believe you can draft the guy? Or because you
got your first rounders, you're not fin the draft?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
No, who you gonna draft it?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Gonna make it make a difference. You need a statement
piece on that defense.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Listen, when you.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Put your clothes on.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
When you put your clothes on, this for everybody in
the chat.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
When you put your clothes on, I know, I know
it's some women and now I know some fellas in
here too.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
When you put your clothes on, you got to have
one thing that stands out.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
That's a statement piece. Yes, how does Cowboys defense needs
a statement piece.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It could be a d tackle, it could be a corner,
it could be a safety.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
But you got you needed your statement piece. Gone over
there to drink.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I all know about you, Ojo. What I put my
clothes on, I'm a statement yeah. I mean if you
ain't that I feel I'm saying, yes, I got nice jewelry,
I got access.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Right right, right right, But you got piece. Listen when
a woman, when a woman gets dressed.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right, yes, woman gets pressed.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There are two things that make that that that for her,
that is a statement piece. It's either your bag or
is your heels one of the other, yeah, one of
the other.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What you're wearing that right, O Joe, you ain't wrong
when you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Now, I'm just saying I talk to you like I
w twenty six. I'm gonna talk to you twenty six
right now, waiting. I'm still on probation twenty six, y'all.
Unk back up, back, I Hey, my probation officer, he'd
be checking in. He'd be watching this show, you know,
every time to time he's like, okay, you know I
will have to write you up.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, okay, you're good.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, twenty six. You know I had to do you.
I got to do it. I had to do like
like twelve months, right, twelve Yeah, I had to do
twelve months probation.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
All right, Well, how long we got? What we got?
What were in October?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, probably round probably like April May
twenty six. Yeah, I'm a scout. I'm out like a
scout on a new route.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You
ain't got to wait that long, though. You know why
you ain't got to wait that long?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Why we ain't gonna win a long Listen.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
When New Year, when that ball drop on New Year's
ball drop, when the ball drop, you good to go?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You know why? But laft what it said?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Listen, they letting you off for good time, serve.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
A good time. Yeah, say they say, they say they'll
give me three days for every good day I've been good.
It's like the fans got the fab give you like
fifty four days for every year. Every year you sir,
hey just say.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Look, so hey, hey, Jerry twenty six, Jerry first, man,
You're good to go.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Man, We're back to normal, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Earlier today, Michael sounded off on how he's how he's
officiated in refs in general. Let's take a listen to
what Michael had to say.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
You know, five years is not getting a call. You
eventually start worrying about it, you know, but you know,
I think I just got to keep going. That's just
that's the hunt. Yeah, Like that's part of the challenges,
Like you just got to keep going. And that's bothersome
that that worries them. They know that, Like that's the
part of being one of the best. You know, that
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comes with uh, some territory where the person that you
hate and the person at the league lets go like
they know, like I mean, you can tell how they
call it gain. They don't call out sides for offense,
but they'll call on defense. They'll they won't call offensive
passing offerens, but they'll call defensive passing offerens. I mean,
like we know what you're trying to do. They want
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to load the points up so fans can be happy,
and you know what I mean, they'll call defensive holding,
but they won't call offensil holding, like like, let's just
wake up, Like it's just one of those things that
we know what the higher UPS's trying to do. Like
the ref would say, I know that's a whole but
what like you're not gonna call it, like come on,
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Like it's just one of those things that like I'm
over and I would just have to keep going, push through.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Ojo. He knows. He's like, you know what I should stop.
I shouldn't say anymore. But he can't help himself. Now, chat,
you tell me the great defensive player, the great defensive player.
I don't if you're my age. Let's just say you
between between the ages of sixty and twenty five, tell
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me the great defensive player. And we believe Michael Parsons
is a great defensive player that you've heard them complain
about being held. The LT's the Reggie wife, the Bruce
Smith of the Derek Thomas rest his soul, the Von Miller's,
the Aaron Donald's, the JJ Watts. Tell me the great
defensive player that you heard have a microphone get up
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on the platform and complain that they're not getting calls.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, you can't do that. Though, you can't do that
as a player. I mean, I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about myself as a receiver. I ain't complaining about no
holding because I'm getting Hell, that's my fault, that's my plot.
Michael Parsons is too good. He's too great at his position.
He's too great at what he does. And obviously on
the other thing. On the other on the flip side
of things, referees are graded. Those referees want to be
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able to call that Super Bowl, so the.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Better layoff super Bowl. Absolutely listen, that's a check.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
That's money for them.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
So they want to make as many calls as possible
based on what they can see with the naked eye.
Do they miss some calls and type of course, it's
human error, it happens. But they want a grade as
high as possible so they can be in on playoff games.
So they can so their team as a unit can
be in the super Bowl. They're graded, so they're not
just missing calls on purpose, but also as a player,
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a player of your magnitude, Now you should worry about that.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
If you get in hell, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't think I ever, I don't think i've ever
and I could be wrong, but and my memory is
pretty good. I think I can have great recall. I
don't think I've ever publicly complained. Man, they was holding
all game, and they ain't call it. May they been
hauling me all year. I'm gonna play through that. You
call it, you call it. That ain't my job because
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to see if I'm because what's gonna happen, I'm all
of a sudden start worried about the calls. They're gonna
throw the ball to go, beat me up, hit me
all the chance, all upside the head. And then what
then people go be like, was he holding on that one?
Or did you or did you just drop it? Right?
Don't complain, bro, Michael.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
You too good, way too good.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You're way too good for this and it's not so
guess what now? Oh yo, I'm gonna keep hey, I'm
gonna keep my pocket sold in my pocket. Now. I
hate for the pull it out. You're trying to put
us on blasts. Michael you you, Michael you too good
if you want to be thought of as one of
these greats. I mean, let's just take your error. Miles Garrett,
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ain't call it. Ain't complaining in TJ. Why they ain't complaining?
These guys ain't complaining, Michael you too good? Who cares
about what they're doing with the touch push? You're not
there when you have to defend it, Then you worry
about that you don't have to defend it. They don't listen.
They don't First of all, they're not listening to players that.
First of all, you're not a quarterback. They listen to nothing.
You gotta say. They only listen to quarterbacks. That's why
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they change the rules. That's why they let them have
the balls. It used to you get one day. Now
to get the balls for the whole week. Now you
can't hit the quarterback in the head. Now you can't
hit the quarterback in the knees. You can't tackle them
in below the ways in the pocket. To the quarterbacks.
They don't listen to other players. Because they did, they
wouldn't have the rules that they have. That's weighted against
the defense. Well, come on, Michael Man, you gotta stop this, bro.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And the funny thing about it is the game now
in this error is changed. It's handicap. It's handicapped for
this is handicapped, and the way in favor of the offense.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You already know that it's the deepest player. Just continue
to play, play through contact, play through the holes. Those
calls are gonna come. They're gonna they're gonna come. Don't
even don't even worry about it. Just continue to play
as well as you always do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Play to what we know you can do. Being one
of the best at your position. There is the reason
why you paid as much as you are.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
O Joe. What you do is that you have your coat,
you have your your video department, cut it up, the
holding calls your head coach to send it in. That's
what you do. Hey, I'm gonna take it out of
my hands, but have the video department. That's what everybody
else does. I guarantee you that's what the Steelers does.
That's that's what the Cleveland Browns does. Anybody that has
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air pass rusher, this is what they do. Okay. If
I got a good if I got a good receiver,
and I believe he's getting Hell, I'll go to I'll
cut it up and I'll send it to the official.
Here are the plays that we believe he was held
in this game. These are the plays that we believe
the guy got outside. These are the plays. That's what
you do. But you because people gonna look at you.
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It's like you're complaining, like the reason why because now
I think he got one sack, maybe two sacks, and
people like, oh, you're making forty seven million dollars a
year and here we are six games in and you
got one sack, you got two sacks. Yeah, it's gonna
look like you're complaining. And I don't think Mike is
a complainer. I know he's frustrated because when you get
that kind of big money, ohhoe, you know you've gotten paid.
(36:43):
The one thing you want to do. You want to
go show the world why they paid you the big dollars.
And I ain't tried. I ain't tried it. Like, hey,
the moment I get that money, oh man, o Joe
got paid. Yeah, let me go. Let me go out
here and drop me by the one fifty and two
to them. Let him know why they paid me.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He quickening her, and don't hit and don't care who
out there, and don't care who holding If I get here,
it's my phone.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I ain't doing yep.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
And that's how that's how Michael is gonna have to
look at it. But I think the thing is that
when you do it something like this, people are gonna
look at you. It's like, man, Michael wine, and he's
complaining the other and the other teams like, hey, hold it,
make them call it, make them call it. And then
all he's gonna do is get he's gonna get more
and more frustrated. So just play through it. Michael. You
(37:32):
you're you're too good of a player to let stuff
like this. I get it. I know you're frustrated. First
of all, I don't believe, Michael. I don't believe this
is what. This is how you This is why you
gotta be careful with what you say. Because when things
weren't going his way where he said, he tweeted, he
wanted to he wanted to get traded. He put on
X he wanted to get traded. I no longer want
(37:52):
to be a cowboy, he said. He said that on YO.
A lot of time. We said all the time, Mojoe
with emotion. This is our logic is oh, be careful,
there's power in the tongue. Yeah. Yeah, he said he wanted.
That's not what he really wanted. He wanted to put
the pressure on the cowboys. But you had already back
Jerry in the corner. Jerry wasn't backing down. You had
(38:14):
already you already, you already had backed the man in
the corner. Uh. He felt he had a handshake deal.
And now you come in and this is I'm just
telling you what Jerry felt. Jerry is a man. First
of all, you know how people empower people in position
of power, people to have money. They ain't backing down.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Then hold on, you're not finna bully. You're not finna bully.
Not many own us nothing, not many on us. Absolutely
not no.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
No. So that's where that's where they that's that's that's
what happened. But Michael, just keep playing. There come you
understand sacks are like sax of like bananas and great,
they come in bunches. Hey, you might go, oh Joe,
you might go a game with you and not get
any and then you'll go three games where you half six. Yeah,
and day. You know, you're like you look up like, damn,
(39:01):
like I got seven.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Cents that fast, And that's just how it happened. It
always happens like that. Yes, it happens like that. Hell,
sometimes you're going to get your Hey, I go two
for thirty five, I go four.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
For sixty Damn, man, man in one game, man shoot
eleven to sixty six for one ninety?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
What God themn?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There? You go? And it has every.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Look at Chase two weeks ago, forty yards yep, look
at the past two weeks. It's the nature of the business.
It's the nature of the game. It always happened like that.
You're not gonna go crazy every week, no matter how
great you are.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
No no, no, no, no, no no, but it gonna you know.
I mean, but here is the thing. Chase Chase crazy
at sixteen. Here's a his' a his good sense. He nine,
that's the thing. You look at him against Green Bay
he had nine, Like damn, we slowed him down. Now
you pop off with sixteen. He got twenty five catches
in two games. So where he was You're like, damn, hey, Chase,
(40:13):
say winning no triple crowd this year. You sure about that?
Are you sure? Pop? I forgive you.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's amazing, it's amazing. It's amazing. What happens when you
get a quarterback forty years old, fifty years old. If
you can throw and sling the ball and they can
keep up right so you can deliver said.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Ball, this is what you get. And it's not easy.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Because we had Jake Browning, well, hell he.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Should be able to do it. No.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Now you take Joe Flacco who got benched in Cleveland,
and you put him here at the Bengals offense, with
elite talent around him at the receiver position, a decent
running back, the officer line that everybody been talking trash about,
and they they play they part.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Who you are gonna win. Everything starts up front. Everything.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Look, do your job, whatever your job is, whatever your job,
whatever is required you to do to do your job,
that's what you gotta do. Don't worry. I'm not working. Listen,
I'm not worried about the offensive line because that ain't
my job. Now, if when it comes my time, I
got a pass block, now I gotta worry about it. Okay,
what we got? Who am I, Gilligan, I'm on an island.
(41:28):
Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Protected?
At Sharpe? I got you inside, so I can sit
heavy outside knowing I got help inside. If I ain't
got no help inside, I gotta sit down inside and
then hopefully I can run his ass by the quarterback
the quarterback and step up. But you just got to
do your job. I can't worry about it. I can't
worry about what the safety doing and what the linebacker doing,
(41:48):
and what the d N doing on your I gotta
worry about what a foe doing because at the end
of the day, I'm getting graded. I'm getting graded on
what I'm doing, not worthy or not worried about what
somebody else is doing. To apologize for criticizing teammates from
being late to a player's only meeting, let's take a
(42:09):
listen to what Tua had to say here, this full statement.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Made a mistake, and I'm owning up to that right now.
You know, I talked to guys on the team about it,
talk to the leaders about it, and you know that.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
They know my heart.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
They know that the intent was right.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
But no matter the intent, you know the intent can
be right, But when things get misconstrued or however the
media wants to portray it, you know that that leads
a void of silence and a lot of questions. For
the guys on our team now being one in five,
you know, we talk a lot about all right, we
(42:51):
got to get this going. We got to get this going,
come in excited to go to work. Forget about the noise.
And I feel like I just added onto that fok
for our guys, you know, for for myself, I got
to look at myself as as a leader protecting the team.
I don't feel like I did that to the best
(43:13):
of my abilities. I felt like I let the emotions
of the game get to me after the game. And
you know that's something that I can learn from as
a leader on this team. And what happens in house
should be protected and none of that should have gotten out.
And so I want to publicly apologize about that. I
want to move forward, and now I want to focus
(43:33):
on cleeveand Browns.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Hey. I love Tour.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I love him to death, you know, I love I
love what he stands for, I love what he represents.
Being one and five, you also have to be self aware.
It's all It's all about being self aware. If you
have meetings, if you had things that go inside go
on in house, they have to stay in house. You
should know that, whether you five and one or WAYD
one and five, there's certain things that you don't talk
(43:59):
about the media. As a quarterback, as a leader of
that team, as a person with that C on your chest,
it is your duty to protect those that are in
that locker room. It's your duty so to put it
out there in the media and say what some of
the other players are doing, I haven't done.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
That is you know what.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm not gonna use the word. I'm not gonna use
that word tonight. But it's throwing people under the bus.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You can't do that.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You can't always be truthful. Sometimes it's okay not to
tell the truth. The problem.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
You got me, you got me, you got me.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But but in all honesty, yes, sir. The only problem
I have with this now, the media misconstrueded. Yes, how
do the players? Okay, if you have said what you said,
the meters didn't say anything. Your teammates heard what you said,
So if anybody misconstrued it, they misconstrued it because the
media didn't put no spin on it. All they did
(45:05):
was had a bunch of microphones and tape recorders there.
You said what you said, unprompted, yes, unprompted so and
to use all your's term, he drys nich Ain't nobody
asked him? Didn't players come late for practice? Was you?
When you had a player's only meeting? The media didn't
know nothing about it, didn't know anything about that meeting.
(45:27):
You brought that up. And then you also brought up
that there are players that were late or didn't cut
or didn't rive on time, or maybe didn't you come
to the meeting at all?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
You did that?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
How would it you see? That's the problem that I
have just on up to it and says, you know
what I was wrong? Don't add the media. The media
didn't do anything. All they did was put the put
the microphones in front of you, and you volunteer that. So,
in other word, you dry snitch, unprompted information that no
(46:00):
one ask you for. Now, with that being said, there
was no choice. And I saw in the chat someone
said that that was Tom Brady or Troy Aikman. Everybody
would have been there on time. I told y'all that
the other day they don't respect them as a leader.
But y'all don't want to see when because I'm not
in the locker room. You don't think I know what
(46:21):
I'm talking about. But I'm been a leader, and I
guarantee you every time I've called a meeting, which wasn't
very many, or anytime I had something god showed up
on time, y'all, there was a respect level there that
was earned, not what I deserved based on what I
had done. I had earned the right to call a
meeting based on the way I conducted myself, the way
(46:43):
I played, the way I practiced, the way I met,
and what I had accomplished. So I had earned their respect. Yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And you know what, matter of fact, if you do
if they did have a meeting that they didn't show
up to or they weren't on time, and this could be.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
A tall tail and why they didn't, Yeah, for sure,
what happens.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Look, I mean so that there might be an underlying
issue that we don't even know about that has been
going on.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Fact. Oh well, let let's keep it as two guys
that spent time in locker rooms, yes, that played the
game at an extreme high level. He's it.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
And you know what, even though he came out and apologize,
it's too late now because how do you think that
tastes that bad taste that's in those players' mouths that
you talked about that know they were late or one
on time to that meeting. How do you think the
other teammates feel? How do you think they're looking at
even though he's a quarterback, how do you think they're
viewing you? Now?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's not the same, monk, and it would never be
the same. So this makes everything even worse.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
On top of being one in five, you get to
forget the football aspect because now you open up a
whole new can of worms.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I give you a prime example, O Joe. You in
the courtroom, Yeah, one of the attorneys says something. The
other attorney stands up and says, I object. The judge says, sustained.
How do I make the jury unhear what they heard?
They heard it. Whether it's sustained doesn't matter. Too late
(48:18):
or he'll allow it. I've already heard what that man
wanted me to get out here or she wanted to say,
So you can't make me unheal what I heard. I
get the apology. The best apologies change behavior. We're going
to see moving forward, the greater the player, the greater
the leeguway is that's with anything. Yeah, First of all,
when you say Troy e Man tom Brady, first of
(48:39):
all too, it is not on that level. Second of all,
they've garnered so much respect. You see how the players
with the bat for Troy tom Brady, that's a whole
different animal. We're not. Don't ever put tom Brady tom Brady,
he's reserved. There might have been three or four other
guys in the history of the game that garner the
respect that tom Brady to. It isn't one of those
three or four guys. With that being said, you have
(49:01):
to be mindful Ojo, because and this is what I
tell guys that I think, at some point in time
will be leaders. You don't know who's actually watching you,
what you do, what you say, how you do it.
But all I can tell you is this, if they
see you behave in a certain type of manner and
(49:22):
you make money and you get things, they'll behave that
same way because they believe that it is acceptable behavior.
So even though you don't know who's watching, if they're watching,
or why they're watching. Just always try to put your
best foot forward. That's all you can do. He will
learn from this, hopefully. It's hard for me to believe
(49:44):
that a guy that played at Alabama, played at such
a high level, at such a prestigious program, wouldn't know
that you can't throw teammates under the bus that sometimes
Oho sometimes look and we talked about this, Ohoe all
the time as a coach. Sometimes you got a lot
to your playoffs. Don't think they can win. Hey, we
can beat these teams. We can beat them. Hey we
do X, Y and Z. Sometimes you gotta lie because
(50:07):
sometimes it calls great hurt, harm or embarrassment, and it
might have caused all three. Now, like you said, how
do we get that back? I'm not so sure so
because I'm thinking, Bro, when you go home, you be
pillow talking like a mofolk.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, it is no, there's no way. There's no way
to get that back. Huh, there's no way to get
it back. There's only one thing that cures everything. There's
one thing that cures everything. If they can do that,
my point exactly, whining is the only thing that canna
cure it, but I still think they won't view him
the same in that same light. No matter what you're
can apologize, you can say everything, you can talk to
him quite you know, privately. But once you leave that
(50:48):
locker room and you out of that space that's supposed
to give you to worry about any of the bullshit
you have to do it with on the outside world.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Right now, you gotta deal with it when I.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Come to work my own quarterback, right nah, man, they
never gonna look at it the same.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
That's why I say that's what quarterbacks court. If you notice,
the most of the great quarterbacks, no matter how good
they play or how bad they play, they always take responsibility.
When Peyton Manning they lost the game, Peyton mann said,
I gotta play better. It's on Don Brady says, I
got to play better. Guys John l Way and guys
would always say I need to play better. They never
said even though they played great, a drop pass here,
(51:26):
mister Simon there, the defense gave up points late. They
always put the owners on themselves. That's a part of
being a leader. If you're the leader, even though somebody
made a mistake, I'll take it. That's on me. Now
I'll call them and say, hey, we need to make
sure this doesn't happen again, make sure we get it corrected.
But this is on me, and that's what Tua needs
(51:47):
to understand. You would like to think a guy that's
been the quarterback for an extended period of time at levels.
He's a high school quarterback, normally the quarterback is the leader.
Not always, but the majority of the time. I would
say eighty percent of the time, because a lot of
time the best player is the quarterback O Joe. So
he's normally the leader. In college, it probably kicks up
(52:08):
eighty five percent in the post. I don't know if
I've ever seen a starting quarterback that didn't have the
see since they've been allowed it. Have you, No, I
haven't either. So with that being said, he just has
to be mindful. It's a mind field of what's going on.
And it's easy to get frustrated, especially with like you said,
when you're losing, you're one and five, Because if they're
(52:30):
they're five and one and they're six and zero, ain't
nobody eight. We're not having late Even if guys are
late to practice, ain't nobody said a word. We're not
having this conversation. You should have nip this in the
bud a year ago or two years ago when you
were winning and you were allowing guys to show up late.
That's when you nip it in the bud. But you
(52:50):
allow things on a win. Now, it's a problem when
you lose. You see, when you lose, Ojoe, it's not
how we play it on the field, it's all the
other things, all the other things. Like I said, you
don't win a football game on Sunday. You win a
football game Monday through Friday. Yes, that's when you win
the games in your How we meet, how do we practice,
(53:12):
how do we study? How do we prepare? Did we
get treatment like we're supposed to. If we got a
little nagging, did we did we take care of it
before it became a big issue. Hopefully to have learned
this lesson. Hopefully he does. It is tough because if
they don't start winning games, it doesn't it doesn't matter,
(53:34):
It doesn't matter. And I and I and look like
I said, the greatest apology is change behavior. We're going
to see go ahead, o yo, right, you change behavior?
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, it's not changed behavior off the off the field,
it's the change behavior on the field. Create you know
what the best sorry is for his teammates, your performance
and how you playing. Being a difference maker, being that
you are the quarterback, being that you do make the
most money on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
That means your level of play has to be up here.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
It has to be eons above everybody else, especially when
you come out and you do something like this.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Well, hold on, you can't be stinging up the joint.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
No, then going in front of the camera and tell
him what we got going on behind closed doors and
then looking like.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know what out on the right.
Speaker 7 (54:18):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (54:21):
Thrown.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You got the whole locker room looking at you. Funny,
I'm telling you, and I'm not even in there. I'm
telling you. He can fix it. But he can fix
it with his plate, with his play. It'll be all smiles.
If even if he would have been wrong, even if
he had thrown for four hundred yards and four touchdowns,
(54:44):
he exacerbated the term aggravate, which means to make worse.
He aggravated the situation. It was already bad ojo, but
he aggravated the situation. Why Ojoe? Because he threw three
pigs So he made us situation. That was bad. He
made it worse with his plate. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Well listen, it was already a fire, right, it was
already a fire. Yep, so it was already fire.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
He took the goddamn gasoline and threw it on the fire.
But shit, all it did was make the fire goddamn bigger.
It made it worse, made it worse. Now you're gonna
have hell putting it out? For sure? Is that my?
Is that me or you? O? Joe? What I do?
I'm right here, I'm looking at you. Oh okay, because
(55:29):
for a second I couldn't hear you. Oh yeah, I'm good.
I'm good. Okay, sure, yeah, you're good. And what what
has happened on Joe? Is that for a fire to burn, yeah,
needs oxygen. What he gave the fire was oxygen. A
fire will not burn. Hey, you could have the biggest
(55:51):
fire robbins of it of its oxygen. You see a candle,
put a dish, put a jar over the candle. It
can't get it any more oxygen. It'll go out. You
gave it oxygen. That's why when people say things, oh yo,
we have to be careful how we respond because we
(56:11):
give it it oxygen and it'll keep burning. See, things
will burn as long as it has oxygen. Let it die.
He could have just let it die. Oh yeah, I
understand that he sees that. I understand that he's upset.
You're losing ball games that you don't think you should
have lost. Guys are coming in two minutes, five minutes
(56:33):
tim how a minute late. They're late to media, late
to practice. You know, it doesn't seem to be important.
They're not as attentive as they need to be. Yes,
it can get frustrated, especially especially and like I said,
I don't know what he's actually like. I've been around
players that it was the end all be all. Everybody
is not like that the end all be all right,
(56:54):
but it's probably it was probably bothering him. He's like, well,
this is probably why are losing. Guys are not taking
this as serious as they need to. Okay, but if
they had, if they held you in such high regard,
if they respected you as the leader, they're not coming late.
They're just not I mean a little thing. Lo cho,
(57:17):
hey man, chase this out, man, we need a let's
do so, let's let's go to the movies after a
workout on Monday. Guess what, Fifteen twenty of us go
to the movies. Hey man, let's go bowling. Fifteen twenty
of us go bowling. It's things like that. But they
gotta respect you. Guys don't respect you, they they're gonna
(57:40):
blow you off. It's really that simple to it. You're
gonna have to play better. You're gonna have to be better,
not just on the field, because leadership is just not
a calling plays and then the hold and you got
to see on your jersey. You got to it's off
the field, Lodjo's. It's things like that. You suppress things
that Mike McDaniel are upstate hairs don't even know about.
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