BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 1: Shedeur/Browns QB Drama, Saints already cooked?!

Recap the top NFL stories with Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson as they react to Shedeur Sanders' preseason debut with the Cleveland Browns, performances from Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shough of the New Orleans Saints and more.

0:00 - Shedeur Sanders debut

25:47 - Sanders still behind Dillon Gabriel on Browns depth chart 

43:46 - Saints QB1 woes

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Schr Door shines in his first preseason game eleven of nineteen,
one hundred and three yards passing two TVs. You know
Coach Prime was fired up times? Yes, Lord, yes, Chador Sanders.
Oh yeah what now Coach Prime? God is good. Shout
out to Cocho Butter Brothers for sending us this video.
Lebron James even way then that young king h looking

(00:39):
good out there, Shador Sanders. Keep going up, head down
and grind and head high to the most and head
high to the most high. Jordan Schultz text from a
high ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie Chador Sanders.
It's early, but wow, actually shot how good he looks.
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(01:01):
next one. Only matter of time?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, oh Joe, yeah we.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Could look, we could pick two plays, oh Joe, Well
damn he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz. Well he
had a guy ride over to the flat on second
and eight, and he skipped the ball to him. But
you saw that over route that brock Party throws so
well in the San Francisco offense. You see him fit
the ball until those time those small windows. Did you
see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now
the receiver made a great one head to catch, but

(01:31):
did you see the touch?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, So take off your head, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I wanted to see what should do would look like
in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't
get any reps as many reps as he should to
prepare himself to be prepared for a game like this,
to this magnitude, Dylan Brooks hurt ken, you picking her,
Joe Flacco not playing so the car that he was
dealt to go into this game. Can you be a

(02:00):
leader of men? Can you go in calm, show presence
of leadership, run the team, command the team, show that
regardless of who's a regardless of who's around you, you
can still conduct yourself Like quarterback one on, he was

(02:21):
calm under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws,
had some air and throws. You know, obviously that's what
film is for, That's what the precist is for the fix,
to fix the nooks in the crannies, to get him out.
He looked like he belong. He looked different he did.
Andrew Barrier, you made the right call. There's a reason

(02:43):
that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have
dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me
as any scout of those thirty two teams that didn't
need to start a quarterback for those that needed a quarterback,
and we're in need of one, watch film on should
and what he did at Jackson State and what we did
at Colorado, and said, you know what, no, that's not

(03:06):
my guy. The quote you just read from the scout
in the AFC North, if you watch film, what did
you expecting to look like?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked
exactly like he looked at Jackson State.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Calm, under pressure, in the pocket, going through progressions, making
the right throws.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
That's what he expected to see.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
What they expected to see and what some hope to
see might be two entirely different things. Talk to me now, now,
hope man I show hope, man I show hope this happens.
Man versus expect to see what I wanted to see.
I wanted to see exactly what you what you wanted

(03:54):
to see. I want to see. Could he play with poise?
Could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive?
Could he go through his progressions the pocket collapses? Could
he take off? He showed me some of everything. I'm
the over route, threw it on time and guy in
his face, let him boom, drop me right in the bucket.
He fit those balls, a pressure in his face. The

(04:16):
second touchdown, pressure in his face. The first touchdown, the
corner slumps off the flat, the safety is hugging him.
He fits it in, gets it in, boom on the move.
The touch pass over the top. As I mentioned at
the top, the receiver did make a great play. But
your door had a nice loft. That's not as easy
to throw the mate. He was impressive tonight. Barry and

(04:39):
a lot of people they were in the chat last night.
Let's see what your door does. Let's see what your
door does.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well, hold on.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know what they're gonna say now, Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh he's not playing against their starters. Oh he's playing
against this So.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
He didn't have the starters either, well, help, hello, I
just see Jared Judy. I didn't see in Joeku. I
didn't see the starting off his line Tillman.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
So this is what I have to say to those
who are gonna have another s feech.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
They're gonna move the gold post, right, They're gonna move
the post and say, well, he wanted to go against
the Panther starters.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, obviously if he's not going against.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
The Panther starters, or if he doesn't have his starters
as well, and what he has at the disposal, and
look that good with the twos and threes and maybe
the fours that.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Are trying to make the team.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
What do you think is gonna happen when he had
the main characters in there around him, right, that makes
your job a little bit easier, that a little bit
better at their.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Position than knows that he's playing with the Knight.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
What you think gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, they can try to move the gold post, but
I ain't trying to kick a field goal or pat
So I'm gonna score anyway, and should do a Sanders
score tonight. I'm gonna give credit words due fourteen to
twenty three one hundred and thirty eight yards, two touchdowns,
no interception, he got two sacks. Like I said, we
can nick pick a couple of things. Yeah, it's a
strong safety of the Sam strong safety blitz the problem
like you know what. But it looked like he was

(05:55):
telling the god, bro, I need you to hook up
on that. You probably not gonna be able to outrun
the safety. Lamar Jackson hold on to the ball a
little longer because he get out run to safety, Josh Allen,
same thing. That's not your door. That your door is
not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all most,
the majority of his damage is going to be in
the pocket. Ojo tom Brady. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady,

(06:15):
but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for.
Go ahead, Ojo.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
This is then what he lacks in athleticism and inability
to get out the pocket.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
He has gate. He has great pocket presents.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Being being able to move and being able to not
telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when
it's time to get up out of there. He can
extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
What about the third down?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Huh? The third down, we scrambled with the d lion
random stunt. He was able to get outside of it.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I like, you know what I like the most. He
saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes, yes, that's
what I like. O Yo, that's what I like. Oh y'all,
oh all, who's supposed to go first and who's supposed
to I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's
supposed to t And I don't know who's supposed to
tea who's supposed to eat.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
But I tell you what I'm going.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, I tell you what y'all figured out in
film study tomorrow. But in the mean, in the meantime,
I'm about to pick up. I'm about to pick up
the first down.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
He's played himself.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
He might have started after four, but after this performance,
he can't be number four because Oo.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Told him something very very interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He says, you can't lose your job because of injury,
because let me.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Tell you what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
If you get injured and you're out and a guy
comes in and he's playing better than you before you
got injured, it's his job. Now, ask yourself. Was Dylan
gabral before he got hurt. Was he playing better than
what you saw your door, Sanders, do tonight, Kenny Pickett,
ask yourself this question. Was he playing better than what
you're doing? Was then what you do or play tonight?

(08:03):
So if you can honestly ask us, ask answer those questions, okay, right?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
And the thing about it what people need to understand.
For those that in the chat, it's one thing to
have joint practices. It's one thing to practice against yourself
and look good against your players. Yes, scripted on everything
is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at times,
because there's certain things they want to work on defensively
and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively.

(08:30):
When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared
from team to team. So it's agreed light and everything
going as if it's a real game. You work in
your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to
do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple
as preseason games are from an offensive perspective, in the

(08:51):
way the players are called. And he did that tonight
to a hell of a job, one hell of a
job tonight. And this is just to continue to build
off of clean up. There was some mistakes, obviously, they're
gonna always be mistakes, and then.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Things you can get better at.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And as you continue to see different looks, you're not
gonna get many looks obviously. It's it's the preseason. Everything
you see defensively will be very vanilla. You know, cover
tool sometimes that you might throw on.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know, count plays, Ojo, make the plays count?

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah. Oh and listen he made him count the night
on that made.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
You have to do when you're a low round draft pick.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oho, me being a second no mark being a being
a low round draft pick. Oho, You're not gonna get
the plays that a high round draft pick is gonna get.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So don't go out there thinking that.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
But when it's your time, shine, Yes, when it's your
time shine and that Hey you say I don't count time,
I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays. As
my brother used to say, Hey, I know you ain't
get that many refs. Keep your head up because one
day John Elwire gonna call for you. He gonna look
for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You
need to be make sure you where you're supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Your door didn't get a whole lot of reps. But
when opportunity presents itself. That's what luck is. It's when
preparation meets opportunity. Amisen says, some call it luck.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm glad you just said what you just said.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
You just said you didn't get as many reps as
you should have in practice.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
But he got into a game, and what did he
do on react?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
But the reps that he did get in practice, he
made those counts because a lot of times I've seen it.
I don't know if you've seen it on you, I've
seen God, man, I ain't getting no burn, man, I can't.
And then when you get out there, you fing up
fuck up? Yeah bad, your door says, Hey, these one
or two reps I might get. With the three, the
threes and fours, I got to make these counts. These

(10:44):
gotta be my This has got to be my best
work of the day. Yeah, because you know why, with yo,
it might be my only work of theday. So if
it's my only it's got to be my best because
this is the only time they're going to see me
on tape, they see me standing behind it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, Hey, I'm being positive.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
A good throw a good catch, good run, good job,
offensive line, good play, called coach. But at the end
of the day, I need to get an opportunity to
show you what I can do. And with the opportunity
presents itself, that's what look is preparation meeting opportunity, Iminson said,
some call it luck.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Hey, hey, listen, I'm happy. I'm happy for young Bull.
I'm happy for young Bull. This is one of the
few times I can't think of the last time that
everyone was excited excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland
Browns game.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Did you see all them people in the stands with
the twelve and with the signs? Did you see all
that Oh yoke.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
A Cleveland Brown's game lead on the road.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me. I was in
the same division with them jokers, and guess what we
used to play.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Them same s.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
They don't. They didn't travel like that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and they ain't got no reason to travel because
it's been bad a long time.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So listen, tonight we saw a very small Samba size.
We saw a very small sam size. Yes of what
you do or saying, look like the fact that he
played with the twos with threes maybe against twos and threes.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I say this to say that what happens when he's
with the ones?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
They win that same offense, right, and you and you
guess what, and you go and you game plan. I'm
just calling plays arbitrally.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh ya, that's all. I'm not game planning.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three.
We go back and now the coaches go back and
they look at what they did last season, and we
script the game plan that's gonna be what we think
we're gonna see him. First down, second down, third down,
third and short, third and long, just down in distance
area of the field, first and goal, second and goal,

(12:43):
third and goal. Now we're calling plays, not just the
arbitrally call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose, for
a purpose, and eventually they're gonna get to that.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
But I was in pressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
But for someone that didn't get as many reps, made
the refs that he did get, he made them count
in practice, and when he got his opportunity, when the
opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Gradis opportunity
presented itself, which is say when the rubber meat the
what when the rubber meat?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
The road man.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And so, uh your door should he should he should
be proud of himself. Uh, you know him being who
he is, raised, how he was raised. Supposed to say reared.
I guess you raised livestock and animals. But anyway, big raised,
how he was raised. He's not gonna be. He's not
gonna be. He's not gonna get. He's not gonna get

(13:38):
too because guess what, even killed.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, you got to stay even killed.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know why because not only having to deal with
the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now
you got you got to deal with the noise on
the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
That wasn't my pick. Yeah that's what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
How you do it?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit, like you said.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Brother has him.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Don't smile, don't don't even don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Start with as he said, say.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That the.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Nerve the gall I'm a Paul, Well I'm a David.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm gonna say it won't tip. And this is for
everybody in the chat. If even if you don't like
you do it even if you don't like him, how
do you watch film college film on Shador Sanders and
every other quarterback that would before him and see what
all of them have done and say, you know what, No,

(14:42):
I'm a passive for him. That's not the guy I want.
Right New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what
other teams that were the need of a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
How do you do it?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm just asking from a person that played the game
of football and understanding.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I have an eye. I have an eye. I played
the game for a very long time at a very
high level.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know it's
supposed to look like in situations that are not advantageous
for you. I just saw a young fella winning Jackson
State turned a Colorado program around that when one game,
regardless of what his record was in his totality twenty
three and twelve, whatever may have been, I know what

(15:26):
it can do when you got the right.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Pieces around him. I know what he can do. He's
a win nerve regardless of what situation you put him in.
And he showed it again to night, yet again to night.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
With his back up.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Against the wall, Yeah, he just has the demeanor to
be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't
get too high, he doesn't get too low. He has
the utmost confidence in himself and most the good ones
really do, no matter how bad, and we've seen it,
no matter how bad it might be, going to really
good ones. You know, if it's laid the ball again,

(16:01):
they got a chance to beat you and your doors
in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses,
and he always says the right things. Listen, It's not
as easy as you think to always say the right
thing because you're dealing with the human element of it,
the human element of it, no matter how much you have,
no matter how little you have, no matter how good

(16:23):
you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing
with the human element of it. And people have emotions,
people have feelings, and so sometimes when people lash out
and say things like damn man, you know you take
the amount of time.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
But he hears what's being written about it. Absolutely he hears.
He sees.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
If he doesn't, he's getting work, it's getting back to him.
But I just love the way the man kept his
head down, closed off, his ears and just did what
he was supposed to do. He went to work, and
that's how that's how you have to approach it. Don't
get mad. I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong. I'm
trying to prove me right, and in the process has

(17:04):
proven me right, I'll prove you wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It was.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It was a great job. It was his first outing.
Like I said, those throws it was there. It wasn't
so it was. It was the throws that he made.
Oh Joe, go back and take a look at that
overball and we see brock Purty throw three or four
those a game to IU. Can you used to hit
breath debo on those plays? You'll kiddle on the over

(17:29):
look at how you threw that ball, the timing of it.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you do?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
You do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to
have as back with pressure coming at you.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
There was one, There was one. There was one overthrow.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
He couldn't even see, Yeah, because on the replay we
couldn't even see him.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
We just saw them all come out.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So he's anticipated where the receiver was gonna be and
he just made the throw and put it only where
the receiver could catch it.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yep, that first touchdown.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You understand when people saw tonight, I don't think they
understand how difficult the game is.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't think they understand how different the game is.
But he made it look like he's been doing it
for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
It's his first time, it's his first time in the
NFL game, but he's used to it. Chat look at
his mannerisms. Look how you walk on the first down. Okay,
he almost did the why celebration. He said, you know what,
I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet.
And just just everything about him and being quarterback number one,

(18:27):
just the way he carried itself. He was ready for
the moment, no matter what they no matter what they did,
no matter what they said. Just put me in a situation.
Just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and
I'm gonna play it. And he did that just just
exactly how we should deny the hand he was dealt.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
He played the hand very well, and it's only gonna
get better from here. It doesn't go backwards. You don't,
you don't digress. I'm excited, and this is coming from
a Bengal fan.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Exciting for the Browns to Finally, maybe nobody the answer
at the quarter position after trying thirty five times over
the years. You know, I man, listen, man, I can
go on and on about this, but go ahead, you
got it.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think the thing is the biggest thing and that
after they can have is the ability to believe that
he belonged, he or she belongs. I was a seventh
round draft pick. She'd do it was a five. There
was twelve rounds when I was a seventh. There are
seven rounds. He's a filth. Yeah, but there is not
one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged
on that field. And I saw a lot of these
guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys that

(19:39):
combine and I read about them, and I remember I
remember calling my brother at each West Shrine grad. I said,
they do not better than me. They're not better than me.
I don't care what they say. Yeah, I remember going
to the combine and that, Man, I you know what
you think you're read? I say, probably post six four seven.
I say, but they're not better than me. They might
be faster than me, but they not better than me.

(20:01):
I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver,
all those guys that went before me. I'm like, I
ain't no what I remember asking myself, howl.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
In that hell.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Did you get drafted before me? Yeah, I said, but
don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I said,
it won't be long.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
It won't be It was like the cat, Well, girl,
she say, boy, the cat got his tail called in
the washing machine.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
You know what he said, O Joe? He said it
won't be long now, he said. She didn't know what
he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore,
or it won't be long for it all be over, yes, sir, yeah, man?
And when we put them pants on, ohoe, Yeah, first,
I'll never forget because you know, the rookies, we went
to camp before the vet, so we would go like
a couple of days before the vets, so we would

(20:47):
already be practicing right.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
In Denver before we headed up to Greeley. Right, I
saw him.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
They was nervous, oh Joe, like a long tailed dog
with a porch full of rocking chairs.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Somebody lean back and go be able to take you
don't wan to brother? By now? I thought they were nervous.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I said, oh yeah, That's that's all I need to see,
just the little fear, the little fear in the man's eyes,
because that's my that's my greatest ability. Yes, another man's fear.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And listen, I know we've been talking about Shador, but listen,
remember I told Remember I remember that I told you
about the Panthers, right, yes, remember I told you about
the Panthers. If there's a if there's a dark a
chat stay with me real quick. If there's a dark
horse team that I believe in this year that is
going to creep up and maybe make it run into
the playoffs, I said it.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Would be the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
They didn't look bad.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Brce Young didn't look back. Jayllen Kober went crazy tonight.
T Mac the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight. I know,
Executy like it. Y'all thrown out getting into a little tussle. Listen,
I love the passion. It just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable.
But again, look how the Panthers looked early in the game.
For those I know everybody tuned in to wash the door.
But I'm telling you right now, and I said at first,

(22:05):
someone that's that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't
play for organization. They owe me nothing. I'm telling you
the dark horse team for this season, the Carolina Panthers
Bryce Young in that receiving cord.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm telling you, Oh, Joe, I ain't never been that
hot in a preseason game.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
No the tussle, oh.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
They were going at it.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I ain't really got no tuzzle in practice, bro, Because
I'll tell you what Dan Reeve's gonna say, you fighting.
I mean, we ain't working hard enough. Mike shanahand said
the same thing. Ain't working hard enough.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Bro. It ain't like it is now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Bro, them two hours two and a half hour practice, man,
please with pats. And you had on paths and oh,
let me take that back, o, Joe. You have on
they call it, see what they call shells, would show
the paths in shorts.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's not shells like they call it now.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Basically got the little little fitted of styron foam stuff
on that was not shells. When when I got in
the nineties, shells with shoulder pads and shorts shorts. Yeah,
and and you know we hit that they were we
hit back then nine on seven was live.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeap team.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Team was a solid thud up. There wasn't no touch
the guy on his like two hands touch. Oh no,
you you put shoulders on him, you put paths on him.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
You bet you better come to you better come to
balance and be ready.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and at
water man, they come down in that box.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Boll.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
We had thumpers back then. Yeah, man, please.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Atater ain't play at water coming downhill now.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
And Atwater wasn't the thumper like then, Dennis Smith, Kahuna
was the thumper number forty nine. Whoa whoa morning water Yes, les,
yes lord, oh Joe. I saw that joe a at
two oh five, two ten, Yeah, I saw him sit lineman,
sit lineman on their ass. They pulling. He ain't never
go low right. That showed in their chest and set

(24:10):
him down at at two ten. Here go back here
if y'all can find it, go back and check the tape.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He pots come
through the hole.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
He hit him. He was out called.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Uh marryon Butts. Hey.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
If you if you're a Charger fan, you know who
because back then, o Joe, they had a big, old,
big running back. They had big Marrion Butts, they had
Rod Bernstein. They have a big at Joe Caravello, big
Joe Cox. I mean they are the tight ends were
like three hundred pounds offensive live mammoth offensive line. Yeah, cohuna,
run through go back and look at that play if

(24:54):
with Dennis Smith hit Uh, he hit Marrion Buts and
he hit Roosevelt Potts.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, m you know you know who else was the
thumb or two? Remember Donovan Darius.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, yeah, I played against d d d at uh
at Jacksonville. But that was back back in the nineties.
You had Chuck Cecil, you had Mark Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy,
back then, it wasn't no nothing defenseless about that. They said,
you got him and the shoulder pass. What the hell
you thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Oh yeah, you're gonna get that work. What you're gonna
get that work?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Rodner Harrison?

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Oh, Rod come with all four home.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Every time Hey, I say bro, he say Shaw, just
stay an be knees. I say, got you. But boy,
we tried. Boy, we definitely try to hit each other
in the mouth. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Ay, that's a
hard playing joker. NFL Insider said, Shador Sanders still stands behind.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Gabriel is the head of Sanders in the eye of
the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that
position match what we've seen on the field. The quarterback
situation remains the story of camp, and should Sanders is
settling in to lead three scoring drives in the most
extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent
stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing.

(26:18):
No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to
lead a team and consistently attack a complicated.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Defense three weeks from now.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone
believe he should be on the team and have a
chance to develop in starting quality player. Sanders is talented.
His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver
greg Lebardon in the preseason opener and has floated down
the sideline to receiver Loup Floria later approved. Until we

(26:48):
see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense,
we can't believe the Browns view him as having much
of a shot to be the number two when the
season begins. I agree with what that's saying, but that's
my point is. Okay, you said, have we seen enough?
Have you seen enough of Dylan? What have you seen

(27:09):
from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be
number two?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Did you hear?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Who?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Who wrote that? The Browns athletic insider?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
The Browns Athletic insider?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right? Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So you see shad Or do what he does three
quarters of football three? I think maybe maybe played well
into the fourth quarter, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
So in a live game, you saw him play the
way he played and still questioned if you can do
the same thing when he has the actual starters at
his disposal. I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
My thing is, he says, no reasonable person thinks Sanders
will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently
attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
What about Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Has he shown you enough to make them believe that
three weeks from now he can lead this team against
a complicated defense? I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett
ever shown you that he can lead a team against
a complicated defense. Because all I know is that what

(28:28):
I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he
can't do. Like my coach just said, college with a
will put it, find something that.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
He can do.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
See you keep telling me what you do or can't do. Well,
your job as a coach is to put players in
position and find something that they can do.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from? When
we just saw him do it. I know it's a
small sammsize, it's three quarters of football. But everything you
said he can do, he just did. Matter of fact,
he just did when we already saw him do at
Jackson State. He just did when we saw him do
at Colorado.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
We just did.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Even though it's a small samside. Uncle, I played the
game for a very long time. I played the game
for a very long time. I'm a receiver. I know
what it's supposed to look like. I know what it
looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a
game and he's confident, he's polished his pocket, presence, his mannerisms.

(29:21):
I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny
Pickett with the Steelers. If he was the answer for Cleveland.
He would have been the answer in Pittsburgh. No, what
was What's the question you're asking?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Because if Guinea Pickett is the answer, if Kennick Pickett
is the answer, I need to know the question.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes, I don't,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I don't know what more.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I don't, I don't know what more.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Listen when you when you when you fill out your resume,
right when you fill out your resume and you go
on for that job interview, you want to put your
best foot forward. You want to a lasting impression, correct
well impressions with what we saw Friday night from the
person they claim is the fourth is the fourth string quarterback? Yeah,

(30:13):
what do we do we build from that on Saturday?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well, you build from that.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, you build from that starting in practice by giving
him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him
in the position that he was in where he's getting
a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You
give him some opportunities with the ones, with the tooths.
I'm not saying you he has to take five six
reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle maybe
you give him one or two reps, maybe.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
You give him three or four ref with the twos.
I do agree with this.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Until we see Sanders get practice ref with the number
one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as
having much of a shot to be number two where
the season began. True, I do agree with that statement.
You're not going from four to two. If you four
training camp, then all of a sudden the season start
your number two. They're gonna need to see you with
the ones and twos to fill comfortable because they got

(31:02):
to make a decision. And when you make that decision
you release somebody. Ain't no guaranteed that you're gonna be
able to bring them back and put them on your
practice squad. Somebody might sign them and put them on
the active roster. So that's the case, O Joe. Do
I stay on your practice squad for say twenty five
thirty thousand, or do I go somewhere and get an
opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost

(31:22):
a million dollars a year. So that's the question that
you have. That's a decision that you make when you
release these guys. Because I'm sure there's some guys.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I would love to have him to have another year
learning our system and when we come back next year,
having the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working
scout team stuff, when we come back for OTA's OHO,
he should be good to go. He should be fully
developing good to go. So I don't want people thinking
that we're beating OHO and now beating up on Zach Jackson.

(31:52):
I agree with what he's saying, But my thing, I'm
more talking about the Browns as a as an organization,
as a coaching staff. Are you are you are? Because
the fans are saying you want us to believe you?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Or are lying? Eyes?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh? I know, I know. I know what my eyes
I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what
you saying, but I see better than I hear. Come on, now,
y'all keep telling us Dylan Gabral, Dylan Gabriel, but we
have yet to see him. Now, everything that I see
is that now he's you know, she's not better than
you do it. For most of the articles that I've
been reading at eight, people can write whatever they want

(32:31):
to write, so I don't want to put too much emphasis.
But I haven't seen I haven't read a whole lot
that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has
been played, has played better, or playing better than you do.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
What did I tell you? I tell you not too
long ago. Yeah, of how Cam looked. Yeah, I'm not
saying those names again this time because I don't want
to get nobody in no trouble. What did I tell you? Yeah?
And then exactly what that individual said, who's in there
every day that plays on the other side of the
ball and has to see it, exactly what he said

(33:04):
way back then, we saw it show up, the fact
that he not getting first team refs with the ones
of the tools and still went out there and looked
the way he did. What does that tell you?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
With damn the one tools? Oh Joe, he barely getting
reps at all? And then stick, Okay, I'll say no more.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Again, say no more, so you're not doing him justice
in practice. But still showed up in the game and
looked the part and looked like that. What does that say?
But we gonna see Saturday, and I hope Delan Gabriel
gets his opportunity because I would love to see what
he does and then what he gives that offense, and

(33:48):
that that coach of staff that believes in him. I'm
hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.
I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it.
I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor.
He was great at Orgon. He was really good. So
I'm all, I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, it's let the guy like.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's like when you in that situation, the guy flashes. Normally,
when guys flashes in camp, Oh, Jo, you and I
both played the NFL for a long time.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
We both played at a high level.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes
in practice, a guy flashes in the game, get he
gets to move up, and he gets meaning for reps,
more meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third
or fourth. They'll sneak some reps in with the two's.
Maybe they'll give him one or two shots at with
the ones. That's normally how it works. They're not so

(34:47):
setting their ways that it's like, oh, we just see
this guy as It's kind of like TD. I give
a private example. TD was a guy. TD was a
sixth round draft pick. TV was probably like the fifth
or the sixth running back. But every day he made
that play on kickoff, and every day you saw TV
get a little better. He gave him a little bit

(35:07):
more reps, and so all of a sudden he go
from six to five, from nine to four, four to two.
After the first game of the season TD one. Yeah,
normally that's how it plays out. Guys show you in
the game, because when guy's flashing practice on Joe, you're

(35:28):
thinking to yourself, I wonder if he do that in
the game.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hell, coach, put his ass in the game. Let's see
what he could do. Right. That's that's normally how it happened.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, That's how I got in
the game. He said, Dan put his ass in the game.
Let's see if they can cover it, because we can't.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Damn. Like, Okay, they put my ass in the game.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, well your door. I think Shador showed you something
that he deserved it. I'm not saying he needs to
you need to implement him as the starter the number one.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Oh Joe, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We didn't say that. That's not what we're saying. But
I think he's shown you enough. Friday just says, you
know what, we might need to give him some more
quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday.
And let's see him facing the number one defense Miles Garrett,
those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy,

(36:27):
Let's give him in Djoku. Let's see if he can
replicate some of that what he did on Friday with
the ones today. Yeah, that's all we're saying.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
And can I can I say one more thing? Go ahead,
if you can do what he did without getting the
practice reps in a game without the number ones around him,
things only get easier when you have the ones at
your disposal that are better at the position Cedric Tillman

(37:01):
and Jokub Jerry. It only becomes easier. It doesn't get
more difficult. Now, once you're playing against the team that's
scheme for you and disguises and and does all the
all the stuff you know, the game planning for you. Okay,
that's different. Then you just have to process a little
bit faster.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, but it is.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
It's vanilla. They line up and they just go.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
That's exactly how it is. You get better at something
by doing said thing.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yes, exactly hear what you just said, you get better
or something by doing said thing, but he wasn't doing
said thing because he's right and still look the way
he did.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I agreed. I you agree.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
They don't view it that way. They that organization, they
don't view it that way. How, I don't know. I
don't know, but I'm guessing in the in the in
the direction in which they're going, hoping they're right. They
haven't been right in the thirty five quarterback that they
tried previously. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
No, I just think I do believe that he's earned
the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos.
I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's
QB one. I'm not saying it's QB two maybe, but
I think he's earned that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I know one thing. I know one thing. They better
put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that god damn stadium. Yeah,
I tell you that. I listen. I can already foresee
how it's gonna go. I already know how it's gonna go.

(39:00):
I can already see it. They gonna continue to play,
continue to play, continue to play. Put everybody in front
of him continue to play, and then when his opportunity
presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked
a certain way. You can't deny it. No, you can't
deny it. No matter what you try to do, you
can't deny it. You can't.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh Joe and Cleveland doing this.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very
road he took to avoid it. Sometimes you might they
might even have their quarterback even though they tried to
avoid giving.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Him the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Come on, now, come on now, on the very road
you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I just.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm
a player personnel director. I just know that when guys
flash go.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Back to Tom Brady. They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, Kach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom
that said, if he got more of an opportunity, he
might be.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay, he didn't know he was gonna be this hell.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
If he knew he was gonna be that, somebody would
have taken him in the the first pick of the draft. Right,
But he flashed enough, guys, you know a late round picks. Okay,
like he's showing something. He just sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity, you know, looking at Trey

(40:44):
Lambs tray lamps like he needed time, time which the
forty nine ers didn't have.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Forty nine ers are on the clock.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
They got to win now with the roster that they have,
they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland what do you are?
I mean, you just gave a guy one hundred and
forty million dollars. He's under the assumption now he played
it both ways. You know, I want out y'all not winning?
Got the money? Hey, but what are y'all? What are

(41:14):
y'all doing? Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win?
Because y'all see who's in yall division? Lamar Jackson and
Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is twenty seven, twenty eight,
got an he got another five to ten years in Baltimore.
Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar. He's

(41:34):
got another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while
y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy
and he's gonna be there for the almost a decade.
You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback
playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
No, uh uh, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I listen.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I mean it's it is. It's exciting. It's exciting. And listen,
even if as a as a Bengal fan, as a
Bengal player at heart, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Enjoyable to be talked about the Brown.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
It's it's exciting. It's it's exciting for for for Brown fans.
I mean, when's the last time you had a player
of this magnitude, who's a rookie that has you guys
in the national spot like that, this at all at
all times.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Basically, Yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh, hey boy, Johnny boy. Johnny was special boy. Yeah,
now a Texas him, Johnny was special, bro, You were special.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So it's uh, we'll we'll see. It'll be interesting to
see when they go out to practice today. I mean
to excuse me today tomorrow, what comes back? What type
of uh did your door get? Did he get rep
with the ones? Did he get a report two with
the ones? Did he get anything with the two's or
was he back relegated to be in the fourth quarterback

(43:11):
and getting one rep with the with the Fords or
no reps or just getting sidework. That's gonna be the
tail that that's gonna tell us, So Joe, Yeah, because
what they're talking and and and and what's actually happening,
we'll find out. We'll find out, and we'll see what

(43:33):
they do. How they played this thing out on Saturday
when they play the game New Orleans, Well, y'all lot
a heap of trouble Spencer Rattler, mm hmm. So if
you just take that R and put a D. Yeah,
that's what Saints fans, that's what y'all gott to look
forward to.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Uh. And the preseason opened.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Despite throwing the pick six, rookie Tyler Shuk comes up
a bench and outplays Rattler. If you could believe that,
it's kind of like getting bit by water Moccason or Rattlesmith.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It's just how close are you to anna venom?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I mean, both gonna hurt, right, both gonna get and
excruciating pain. Swilling will be immediately shortness of breath. Yes,
that's what you get with these two quarterbacks. I don't
know why they didn't. I hope Kellen Moore who's a
Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I he signed a long, long, long.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Term deal R six years because it's gonna be a
while with those two quarterbacks. Yes, they win before they
win same quarterback. In the first preseason game, Ratler was
seven of eleven fifty three yards, zero touchdown, zero inception,
but he did lose a fumble. Tyler shuck fifteen or
twenty two one sixty five, one touchdown, one pick six.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Oh Joe, I go ahead till.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
You think wait, listen, listen, listen. While I was watching
the game to day before the game, before the game started,
I threw out a tweet to Saints fans. I have
a lot of Saints fans that follow me on Twitter,
excuse me that followed me on X and the question was,
are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as quarterback number one?
And all the answers were unanimous and saying that they

(45:17):
don't believe in them, and there were a few that said,
you know what, I'm optimistic about him. He can improve
in his second year. So based on the small sample side,
we were able to see from Spencer Rattler today and
didn't look promising. But again it is a preseason. It
is a preseason, maybe a little rusty, first time out
against competition outside of yourself. So I want to give

(45:38):
him a little grace. I want to give him a
little grace. But he's yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
He started, he started real games last year. I would
expect him to look a little better the second time around,
and a vanilla type game plan than a rookie. Then
Saint Jackson Dark say your door, Sanders say some of
these even Okay, if Shove's gonna struggle, okay, I get that.
He's a rookie first time playing in the NFL, not

(46:05):
a guy that started games in the NFL to play
that that.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Uh yeah, I mean listen, it looked, it looked rough.
But last year watching Spencer Raller, he played bad times,
but at times he showed flashes of what he can do.
What what we have to find. He has to find
that that that happy medium, that keel of balance of
constistency where it doesn't drop below the bar. The standard
has to be the standard of consistency. He hadn't found

(46:32):
that yet. Obviously, I'm not gonna panic. I'm not saying
I'm a Saints fan, but just for his sake. I
think quarterback number one is Spencer Raller. I don't see
a rookie beating him out. Obviously it looked good, Tyler, how.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Do you said? Pronounced last name Tyler shuck?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Obviously probably going against the threes in the four. Once
he did get into the game, you would look a
certain way, you would look a little better in that manner.
But I think Spencer Raler is an answer for them,
and it's it's it's unfortunate. But again, this small samba size,
I wouldn't panic right now, being that everything is so vanilla,
but the fact that it is vanilla, you should look
the par you should look the part with it being

(47:09):
your your your second.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Second, yeah, second year. Yeah, I think the thing is
was for me.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Spencer Ratler's style of play will eventually get him cut
in a coach fired. That's what happens when you're not
consistent at that position. Yeah, yeah, because that position gets
coaches fired quicker than anything, get general managers terminated quicker
than anything.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Now they felt.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Comfortable enough they it's like, okay, we're gonna wait till
the I think they got shook in the second round,
second or third round they's like, we like Spencer, Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
They like him. Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
He was a highly sought after guy. Went to the
University of Oklahoma. Uh, you know, and then Kayleb Williams came.
He transferred to goes to the univers of South Carolina.
So he has some arm talent, but he's he's just
a little inconsistent for my take, And it's hard to
win when you don't get consistency out of that position,
because eventually it will get him cut and it'll get

(48:07):
the coach fired. Because we had Richard Smith used to
tell us all the time, he says, that type of
play will get you cut and get me fired. I
can't get any better because all I can do is
just give you what you should be doing. It's incumbent
upon you. He's kind of, you know, loose with the
ball is easily knocked out of his hands.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
He turns it over. But this is what the Saints
he looked.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
What happened was is that when you have quarterbacks like Breeze,
and you have quarterbacks like Manning, and you have quarterbacks
like Brady, you don't want to waste the guy.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
So you're picking guys in the fourth or fifth round, and.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
You're letting them sit with no chance of getting you know,
not doing anything. And so when those guys move on,
now you gotta rush. They tried James Jamos tears his knee.
They tried Taysom Hell. But I ever thought Taysom Hill
was a quarterback. He was very good in the role
that he was in as a jack. He'll play a
little quarterback, he'll a little full back, he could play

(49:08):
some tight end. He's good on special teams. He's a jack,
do a lot a multitude of things. But I didn't
think he was a specialist or a great quarterback. So
I never thought that experiment was going to work. I
think James could have been good, but jamis towards me,
and then they kind of moved They kind of moved
on from Jambs the way I look at I think defensively,

(49:30):
they might be a little you know, they might be
a little better than starting to get a little little older.
Honey Badger retired Jordan Cam Jordan. I think he's going
into what it is, fifteenth season. He's in that twenty
eleven class with von Miller and JJ Wall all those guys.
But in that division, you gotta get better because Tampa.

(49:51):
Tampa's gotten better, I think Atlanta's gotten better. They have
and so I just don't believe that the quarterback that
the Saints won't needs that can get them to where
they want to be a consistent team. You know, a
team that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs
and maybe win a game or two in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, I don't think so either. I think heavily. I
think for the sake of Spencer Rattler, I think the
fact that he has Alba Kamara to take some of
the pressure off of him. You have Rashid Shaheed, you
have Chris o'lave. I'm not sure who the number three
will be there, obviously, but I think his job will
be a little easier because of the talent he has
around him.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Chris o'lave is.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
A very very good receiver, is a burner. He's a
very very good receiver. Now to be Kellen Moore to
put those players in positions to be able to make
sure a Spencer Raller doesn't get him fired. You know,
there's one thing you can do is when you have
a quarterback as bad as them based on their play.
You have to find a way to hide their weakness.

(50:52):
You have to find a way to hide their weaknesses.
And it's easy to do when you have players of
that magnitude. Alba Kamara is still one of the best
in NFL.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I'm just not gonna let him beat me. I'm gonna
make Spencer Ratler throw the football.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Okay, but listen, that's the thing. If you, if you,
if you're gonna go into game saying, you know what,
I'm gonna make Spencer Ratley beat me. I like his
chances with Crystal Lobby and Rashishi he I like it.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
What was their record last year? Oh shit?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Oh but hey, you know what the number three is?
Brandon Cooks.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, come on, now, come on now.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I don't think he's He's not the Brandon cook that
was first in New Orleans, or the Brandon Cooks that
was in New England, or even the Brandon Cooks that
with the Rams.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I mean think, oh damn, he's been like fourteens in
the last four years.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean, listen, you can still run. He still run,
he can still get deep, he can still do his thing.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
In the slot.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
You know, I hate using the word serviceable, but you
can put them in a position.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
To make plays, right that that that's it. I know,
what was the last year the Saints? I mean offensive line?
How good is the offensive line gonna be to be
able to protect him?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I mean they gave up five sacks today.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
They were five and twelve last year, Ojoe, that's tough.
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Look, everybody's running vanilla vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla special teams.
Ain't nobody's showing anything. Nobody's trying to put anything on tape.
That's gonna be extraordinary, right, Spencer Rattler having played, I
just expect it's kind of like a second year guy. Now,
second year guy makes a mistakes, the coaches are gonna
be harder on him because he's already gone through this

(52:43):
the previous year. Bro, you've already if Spencer Ratler played
in real games. Sometimes don't your guys get on the
practice squad, They don't get off that and then they
come back and they have to go through the thing again.
But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful ball games. He's
actually played in the regular season and played it regular
season games, so I would expect him to.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Look a little sharper than what he did now.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
He was only I mean, he only threw seven passes,
and so he's probably only in their fourteen to fifteen plays.
The question is long term because that's what that's what
we're getting down to. Because the long term, No, No
Afield is Tampa's long term solution. Atlanta believe Pennick Junr
is their long term solution. Bright Carolina believe Bryce Young

(53:27):
is their long term solution. The question is now based
on what they did now, maybe they believe Shuck is
going to be able to come in and unseat Spencer
Rattler and be their long term solution. But in order
to win at this level, at that level in today's game,
you got a quarterback because you know why, O Joe,

(53:49):
Because he's the one position that you cannot hide.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If I got a week corner, I
roll coverage. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
If I got a weak safety, I'll keep him. I
put his ass down in the box, I keep him
out of the hole.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
If I got to if I got an offensive lineman
outslide protection, I'll chip the back. I'll say, hey, you
make sure you chip your way out right, so I
can find ways to protect a weakness if it's something.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Other than the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, you can't hide the guy that has the ball
every single time.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, you're right, But I like I like that you
said that. For some reason, I'm thinking from an offensive perspective,
thinking as myself as a receiver and the quality the
quality of receivers they have, you know, in in New Orleans,
I'm thinking Chris Olave, Rashid, he Brandon Cooks.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
They're so good.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I can't remember the tightest name. He's a very good
service of tight end as well. I can't remember his
last name. But I'm thinking that they can be put
in positions to be able to hide the weakness that
Spencer Rattler may have, whatever it may be. That's that's
that's what I'm thinking. That's my thought process, you know.
And as an officer coordinator, whoever off the coordinator is,

(55:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Kelling Moore as the head coach. He offers the coordinator
for Philly.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
He's called the plays too.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, oh man, listen, man, listen.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I don't want to lose my job.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
So what do I need to do?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I need to use those around me. I need to
use those weapons, put them in advantageous positions because my
quarterback is not as good as i'd like.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill are tight ends.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Oh, Jawan Johnson A he nice, a young, young, young,
young young.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
He's more of an f more of the age back type.
Got you know, got receiving skills, got uh uh, more
of a move tight end. Tasom Hill is the same thing.
You can do a lot of different things with Taysom Hill.
You can put him at full back. You can, Hey,
you bring him in and run the to you push
with him, you know, you can throw him the football.

(55:51):
You can do a lot of things with him. And
Kelly Moore has a very creative mind. But you've got
to get consistent play from the quarterback position because it's
the one position you can't hide. Eventually, I'll figure you
out and I'll make I'll make him beat me.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I'll make him beat me and I'll see if he
can do it. Hey, that that's tough. That's tough. It is.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
And the fact that I asked that question in ninety
percent of the Saints fan we're like, it's going to
be a long year. We might win four games.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
He we won five.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Last year. We're still having we're still haven't addressed the
position that is the most important that we do need.
And obviously it took Tyler Shuck and what second round.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I think they took him. It took him in a
second round.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Forty second Okay, Yeah, so I'm assuming I'm not sure
what they saw on film from him as opposed to
what we saw on film from twelve. But listen that
that conversation. It's like beating the dead horse. They saw
what they saw. I'm not sure the scouts were until
he So maybe he is, Maybe he is. We'll we'll
find out.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yep.