August 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Recap the top NFL stories with Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson as they react to Travis Hunter playing both sides of the ball in his debut with the Jacksonville Jaguars, Cam Ward impressing in his debut with the Tennessee Titans, and much more!
0:00 - Travis Hunter debut
12:26 - Cam Ward debut
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, we saw the debut today Travis Hunter. Ojo saw
action on both sides of the football in his preseason
debut the Jags versus the Steelers. On offense, he had
eleven snaps, two receptions nine yards. On defense, he had
eight snaps with zero targets.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ojo, I might have to.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Get a couple of more jobs like you because the
way they got these games spread out and how you're
gonna have to pay Dawn there, you basically got to
pay to watch each individual game, Ojosen.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You know what you can do. You can use YouTube TV.
You can use YouTube TV where you get most of
the games. And also I have an NFL app on
my phone, so the NFL app allows you to be
able to go back and forth through some of the
games you want to. You can't see them all at
the same time, but just the preseason, it's just the preseason,
so it's kind of difficult to be able to watch
the ones you want to watch based on location and
(00:51):
when where.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They are so because most of most of them are
reached right right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But once once the regular season gets in gets in,
you know you'll be able to watch multiple at one time,
especially the one o'clock games obviously the four thirty games
and then those that are stated at seven thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right, he did have eleven snaps, two receptions for nine yards.
Uh nothingdeed, nothing significant. He gave up leverage on one play.
He'll learn these guys are really good. You Hey, if
you got leverage and he had leverage and let the
guy bounce outside, you ain't you ain't getting you catching
those guys. You got to maintain your your laying the responsibility, integrity.
(01:27):
But like I said, it was it was you know,
I just wanted to see what you know, we saw
what we saw. What wasn't you know what I'm saying,
if I mean, how do we rate it? He caught
two passes for nine yards and he had eight snaps
with you were talking.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, the one thing is it's kind of it's
not it's not nippicking. One thing that he will learn too.
On the two pass that he get he did he
did catch. I call it. I always call it that
Marvin Harrison, remember Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison always having
that under that short under six yards coming in. He
did so well in college that the players and the
dbs in college didn't do. They would over commit so
(02:04):
much he'd be be able to spin out the back door.
He'd be able to the back door. But now now
that you're at the next level, they don't over commit.
They come to balance right away and they make the tackle.
So he tried to and.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The big guys trailing.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Because what happened when they see that ball thrown.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, they're coming, but but this is the thing you
got to remember. He's coming from outside the end and
trying to spin back outside. Hope he is control, but
most of the time they're not out of control, so
they were under control. Listen, you you you split the
man in half. When your attack coming to tackle, you
always hit the target, so I mean outside.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, you keep your off and you don't let him
get on your outside shoulder because a lot of times,
like you said, they over commit and the outside shoulder
inside the man. Now he spins out. Now you see,
as long as my outside shoulder free.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I can yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, so and that that that's it. That's it here
he'll see. It will be much more difficult to be
able to do some of those tricks that you did
in college because these were out of control. They over commit,
they attacking the inside shoulder, you know, and all you
got to once you spin back, it becomes a foot
race and you running down the.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Side lot race him to the corner.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now I got my inside, I got my steal farm,
free the stell farm.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You'll pick up yards.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But yeah, that those are things that you know as
you play at this at this level, you will learn
a lot of the tricks of the trade. You'll know
when to get down, when you can fight and struggle
for extra yards. Because I'm telling you, those big guys
and those lakes hurt with them three hundred pounds hit you.
That's different than a dB tackle you now, because he hitting,
he putting help and on you. And when he putting
(03:47):
three hundred pounds exactly so and on on defensive side.
Like I said, he just had that one, that one
play that I saw that he gave up leverage. But
other than that, nothing you know, really made you the
right home about I don't think it's gonna be really
hard to judge him Ojo, unless he gets significant snaps,
you know what I'm saying, and they give him an
opportunity and we see him we see them like game
(04:10):
plan to get him the football.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Mm hmm, it's hard. I mean he caught two passes now.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And I thought I thought, obviously the hype around Travis
Hunter second second round, yeah, I mean second pick in
the draft, I thought they were going to feature him
a little bit. But obviously, yeah, they allowed treupor Lawrence,
they allowed the offense to flow. Whatever they gave him.
They just they didn't feature him. Who first played the game,
Brian Talma Jr. God damn hits on the right side.
Then I thought they would come to him at some
(04:36):
point and just get him acclimated and then then get
him going. But nah, now they just waited. When the
opportunity to present itself, they threw in the ball and
you know it was it was simple.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Me personally, I think he's gonna spend more time on
offense than defense. But hey, that that remains to be seen.
But I do think you'll probably get a lot more.
You will see a lot more Travis and what he's
capable of doing once the season started. I don't think
they're gonna, you know, try to prove any point and
make anything, you know, do anything, have him do anything.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Spectacular in the post season because the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Is, oh, Joe, I want to you know, you try
to keep most of your stuff up the round. I
don't want to show you too much in the preseason
because these games don't mean anything. I'm just trying to
get timing. I'm trying to get the guys, you know,
get the guys in football shape because because here's the thing.
Now with three games, you play the third game, Now
you got it in the week a week in between
when you play again. It used to be, you know,
(05:34):
out your we played that Thursday Friday, and guess what
we was playing the following Sunday. It's not like that anymore.
So now you play. Now you got another weekend between
before you go play. And so I'm just trying to
get the guys as conditioned as I possibly can, let
them know what it's going to be expected, you know,
the timing and all that stuff. But I think Travis fine,
(05:57):
like I said, eleven snaps, two receptions, nine yards, eight snap,
zero targets.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He got nineteen. He got nineteen snaps, which is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Probably about what you would think if he was just
a rookie playing on one side of the ball. That's
probably what you thought he would get by nineteen snaps.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I'm excited for him.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Man mixed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But the most outstanding thing in the game happened when
Jaguars kicker Cam Little nailed a seventy yard field goal
as the first half expired in Jacksonville's preseason open against
the Steelers that would have broken the NFL record had
it been the regular season. Justin Tucker kicked a sixty
six yard field goal to beat the Lions September twenty sixth,
(06:41):
twenty twenty one at Ford Field.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now it's a lot different.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's a lot different kicking outside than it is inside
because you got control conditions. You don't have to worry
about win, you don't have to worry about rain, you
don't have to worry about anything. That Feeld goal, that
this gentleman kick looked like it had been good for
him about.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Seventy to because he boomed.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
He did, He boomed it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He boomed it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Look I don't care. I know it's pre seeded, doesn't count. Well,
you go out there and you go out there to
the high school fielding kicking.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's very difficult. I don't think people understand how far
that is, even for those who are professionals. You have
to understand being able to kick it from that far.
One Most people do have the leg, but the problem
is it's not It's not about having a leg and act.
It's about having the accuracy to be able to kick
from that far. You have to understand the uprights have
been have been changed. They're a lot more narrow than
they used to be. So for the room for era,
(07:34):
the room for era when kicking, you know, most of
the time the ball depending on if you have the consistency. Yes, yes, yes,
that you have the consistence and you follow through. You
can't swing to the left or you can't leave your
leg open and then it'll go wide right. You know,
everything has to be perfect that that that finished, that followed.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Especially when you kick it that far, because if anything
is off you kicking that bar.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And the funny thing about it is most people most
people say, well it is the preseason. There's no pressure
as well in this in this kick, there's no pressure.
The circumstance that that you're in. You know, it's it's preseason.
You know what we're gonna allow you to kick? Will
they allow me to kick from seventy maybe in a
regular season game where it actually counts. Uh, probably not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
This.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You got to understand the team is already in.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Steelers didn't even put anybody back. That was my point.
They didn't even put any back back there. So they're like,
he don't even worry about it, because that's the thing
that that is the thing. What you're saying is that
they normally have a guy back there, and if you
miss it, you got really only two guys maybe your
wings that can tackle. They're normally linebackers are tight end,
(08:46):
so those are really you only really got two guys
that can tackle. You got offensive linemen mainly offensive lineman.
Now you might have a defensive lineman on there oo,
but he ain't tackling in space. No, And you know
the kick, what what what's the likelihood of the kick
or the holder gains somebody down Because we saw it
on the kick six Auburn versus Alabama. We've seen Antonio
Caramarti run those things back. We've seen Devin Hester run
(09:09):
it back. I think OBJ ran one back in college.
So when you put people in situations that they're not
used to being in, which is offensive lineman having to
tackle kickers and punters having to tackle, especially with that
kind of space. Now, if you get him hemmed up
on the sideline, you could try to push him out
of bounds. But that guy that got a head of steam,
(09:32):
and you know they're taught in lineman don't really know
how to get lanes. O Yoe, cause you know they
followed each other, they followed right behind one another.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Bro spread the ass out. We got lanes. Now that
you have to get him.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And but that was I was like, and why not,
like you said, oh, Yoe, why not try something like this? Okay,
Now I got the confidence because if it's if it's
a latent ball game, instead of trying to help Mary hell, i'
I might let the kicker come out there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And either the tire game or win a game.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, I mean, especially if we're an Endy or Houston
because those are indoor.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
There's no factors from the outside elements.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, yes, so congratulation, congratulations. It does not count towards
the record. But you know, you know, now I got
the I got the leg. The coach knows you have
the leg. Hey, you know who cause you gotta Joe.
That's a kick off.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Absolutely, you know, I can't hold on, wait a minute,
now you do know your co hosts can kick just
as far.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Right, now, you never kicked that far?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Hold on time out, time out, time out, time out.
You know there's video, there's visual evidence, there's video evidence.
I don't know Ash is there you have. You have
a great team of people that can pull things up.
They know she on vacation for real, as can you
please show on me kicking from sixty sixty five yards
(11:01):
please and having even more room to go once it
goes through. I think I might have been with during
this time. I might have been with Bleacher Report. We
were we were doing something. It's it's online.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No no no no no no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I'm talking about in the game. Now, if you can
make a pata.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Five yards in the game, uh, and or just just
doing it, you know in part practicing it's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Still so so a guy catcher, so a guy catching
the ball in the turkey bowler to save it's kicking
the ball in the well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We're not talking about a guy. We're talking you're actually
referring to an actual player who plays, you know in
the NFL, or played played right many many years ago.
But I still can't mentally, I know what to do. Now,
the body might not react the way it should.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I know, I know what to do. I know
how to run. I know how to like swing my
arm and put one leg in front of the other.
But doing it is something to get entirely different.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I'm just trying to give you a small example that
your coldes can kick sixty five seventy.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yard as well. No, maybe, once upon a time my
co host years.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Old to realize I gotta play soccer every weekend. I'm
part of I'm part of a soccer league here in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Out here. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You think you think MESSI legs feed is the same
as it was, say, fifteen years old, speed, easy, like.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Being able to break out and get away from people.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I said, his legs speed.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, absolutely not, no, no, why not because he's much
older now?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh okay, thank you very much. We can move along.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Cam Ward NFL preseason debut tonight in Tampa. Five of
eight completions, all completions coming on the second drive, sixty
seven yards passing at eighty nine point one rating, led
his sixty.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Five yard touchdown drive.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh Joe, the little bit the limited action that you
saw you like, which is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The funny thing about it is, you know what is
these players are infl ready. Some rookies that I saw
today are are so poisonous pocket most of the time.
They get happy feet when pressure is put upon them.
But they look like them and planning for ten plus years.
They look like veterans. The pocket presence, the relaxedness under
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the rest. Cam wore showed it. Jackson Dart showed it
as well. Obviously we saw your Door last night who
also played with that same calmness and poors. And you
can see the leadership qualities in the way they carry
themselves as quarterbacks. And Cam small Samul sized that we
were able to see tonight, and he didn't play much,
but you can tell. You can tell he's sharp. You
(13:31):
can tell he's been coached well, not just here at
the NFL level it was at now because it doesn't
just happen that fast. It's not that fast of a
turnaround to look that comfortable, like you know what you're doing.
So he was coached very well obviously when he was
at UM and so it's carried over into the NFL.
And I'm excited for Tennessee Titan fans. You know, and
(13:52):
what they had with the number one pick. I just
don't like the fact that he's been overshadowed since his
pick because everyone else has been talked about. This is
the least talked about number one pick. I think maybe
Whatmber you were the number one pick, so it seemed
like he's went under the radar. No one said anything
(14:13):
about him when most of the pressure is on a
number one pick to perform because you're going to that
was the worst last year.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like you said, I can fly to the radar.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The difference is now, Oho, these guys come in they've
been coached by throwing coaches since they were in high school.
They're freshman, so they're not like the guys that came
in twenty five years ago. They were just coming to
the NFL and then okay, hey, you get you hired
a coach right before you getting ready to go to
(14:46):
the combine, and then you work wait them up until
your pro day and that's it. These guys have these
guys all the time. It's just like basketball players. They
got shooting coaches and they got trainers now in college,
so they have an upper hand. That's why they're so
when you find a guy that's ready, he's really ready
(15:09):
to play. Yes, these receivers, they work with guys. So
when you find a guy that's ready, he's really really ready.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And so guys.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Are not coming in like you. I mean, like like
I came in. I mean, guy you know time. I mean,
guys would go down there for like maybe six weeks
and work with a speed coach. But these guys got
professionals basically training them.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Sometimes they have them in the high school. Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So just imagine you going through the process and they
give you any they're giving you pro style advice.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And you know, I think that's why so many different
quarterbacks obviously they look the part, but don't have all
the other intangibles.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
To be a starter.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They looked a part. But cam Mood not only did
he look the part, but he had everything else. He
had all the other qualities that make him the number
one pick obviously should do it fall into the fifth round.
Not only do he look the part, but he has
all the other intangibles that made that made him a
top pick despite him fall into the fifth round. They polished.
(16:10):
They're polished, that's all, Liz. You're rookie who's been prepared
for the NFL level. So you look the par once
you're in a structured environment in a real live game. Goddamn,
how the hell are you dropping back? So goddamn calm.
Everybody rushing trying to knock his head off, and he's
sitting there chilling. Progression one two three, Okay, three is
(16:32):
not there. Let me shoot back to one. That one
ain't there. I meani to throw it out of the
bounds or on the tucket and run.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hell, now you better not if you if you go one,
two three and try to go back to one, they're
gonna hitt you.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Put your help right up under your chin.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You better take that check down, yeah, hey, one two three?
Check down one two three, throw it out of back, yes,
or take off with it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh And and I think, oh, Joe, I think that's
what we're seeing. If you look at these quarterbacks. I mean,
it used to be a quarterback throwing for twenty touchdowns
in the season, was like, oh my gosh, he really
did this man? This guy throwing for twenty five thirty
touchdowns easy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's a look.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I understand the rules have a lot to do
with that, the way they protect the quarterback, the way
they protect the sever. The way they throw the football
now is more conducive for quarterback having better stats. But
I do think these guys are a little bit more
advanced than when the older guys, the Montanas and the
l Ways and the Marinos when they came out. I'm
not saying they're better, but they're coach more and so
(17:34):
I don't know John probably never. I don't know if
Danny or John to be interesting, man, you had you
had a pro coach, you have a Tom House, or
you have a what's Carson Palmers brother.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Jordan Palmers real?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Did a you have a did you have a Jordan Palmer?
Did you have a George Whitfield? Did you have any
of those guys to to help you all these quarterbacks,
they have those offensive lineman, they're working out with offensive
line coaches, they're working out with former great NFL lineman.
(18:07):
So they're a little bit more advanced than say the
guys even if you want to say ten years ago,
fifteen years ago. Definitely when you go start going back
twenty thirty years ago, they're more advanced, just like the
guys are coming out in basketball. You see how even baseball,
these guys, you know, fathers played, and so they got
you know, hitting coaches, they got pitching coaches. They're looking
(18:29):
at biomechanics and they look at all.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The funny thing about it is you think about it
behind at the time change and knowledge, Yeah, is advanced,
and everything evolves. They have better resources, they got unlimited resources,
absolutely better at said position, whatever it may be. Whatever
they respect respective craft may be to hone that skill set.
So when they do make it, yes, who the highest level,
(18:54):
they look the part right now, it's one thing that
look the part everybody. I mean, the factor can get
you the door, but you got to have all the
other stuff that comes with it to excel.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I Toldally, I totally agree. But I thought Calboard
played really well, especially like second drive. You got the
ball to Calvin Ridley, you know, really, hey, that's somebody
he could lead lean heavily on because he's one of
the premium rode runners.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And he started to get you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He started to look like Calvin Ridley again, because you
remember that last year that he really played in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He was cutting, he was cut.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was he was doing it. He was really doing
it on the other side of the ball. Rookie Shiloh
Sanders delivered multiple big hits, including one on Brandon Allen
on the Blitz first round draft pick in Mecca. Also
showed off his physical attributes, leaping twenty one yard grab
backup quarterback Kyle Trash. I mean sch Doors played really well.
(19:55):
I mean I've seen footage of him in camp. He
did a great job of in the one on one
team one on one period, a great John. I saw
he's on it. He was on it because you have
to understand he started out. He started out at.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The corner, so he doesn't have thought he was always yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
He started out of the corner and then moved to
say yeah uh but when yeah yeah, I thought he
played well. We know he's a thought looking to get
looking getting down here, hits on. Yeah, but I thought
he I think it's gonna be interesting, Joe. How many
special teams can you play? Because that's gonna be the key.
(20:35):
He's not a state he Now he could be working
his way intil the starting lineup, but as of right now,
I don't think he's a starter.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So now what other ways can you contribute?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
He'll he'll be on He'll be on special teams, whether
it be field goal, whether it be ma be kick off?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Uh, yeah, return?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Can you be can you be a jammer? Can you
be a gunner? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Can you be on the front line? Can you be
a L one two, three, four five? On the front line?
You definitely gonna be. Okay, kickoff obviously?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah? He is it me?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Or does it seem like kickoff is much more much
easier as as as opposed to how it was during
our day. You know you had the wedge buster, you
had the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
They don't really want those type of collisions, so they don't.
If you see, they're not letting you get that kind
of running start. It's different, it's not it's I mean,
I think Hester said he'd have probably more return touchdowns
had they had it in like that. So it's been
interesting to see what would have happened, but the advance.
(21:43):
But I don't I don't have a problem with Joe.
I mean sometimes like it's different, it's very different. It's
very different. Uh, the guy that you really like in
the first round, the Bucks selected a Mecca a uh
booka Uh, you like him, you like McMillan, Carolina, and
(22:04):
they both are good. Like I think whether the Golden
go in the first round or the second rob God okay,
oh yeah, Miller.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
The second round ran for two.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
First number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then they had jayde Higgins went in the second round,
Luther Burton the third winn the second round, Trey Harris
went in the second round, and Jack Beach wit in
the second round.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So they were in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There were seven receivers that went in the first the
first two rounds.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Who do who do you expect to have the biggest
Probably honestly out of everyone you just named, I know
Matt Matthew Golden is good. He's phenomenal. Obviously, they do
have Dubbs, they have Jaydan Reid, so I don't think
he will get the number of targets necessary to be
able to showcase REDB. There's so many of them over there.
I think he will contribute. But I really believe T
(22:56):
mac McMillan over there with the panther yeoh, and with
with what he's able to do and would he showed
very small sample size. Honestly, it's been one preseason game.
But again I've been high on the pants. I think
T is going to be the one to show showcase
his ability and what he can do. It's a mismatch
every time they leave in one on one. He's very tall,
he can run after the catch, and the fifty fifty
(23:19):
ball turn into eighty twenty when when it is him.
So I'm excited for him. He's the one I'm highest
on and hoping that not just him, but collectively as
a group offensively as a receiving corps. I think they
make the difference in Bryce Young taking the next step
in his career.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I agree, I think him.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I like uh Ibuka also for the simple fact how
healthy is Chris Well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
God would be his return is he only?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Is he gonna I don't think he's gonna pu up.
But so it's gonna be interesting to see how he
used because you know, we know Baker can throw it.
We hey, you got missed consistency on one side. Evans,
Mike Evans and then so Booker could really have a
huge year. But I but I but I like mc
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millan also, long angular guy, what he's like sixty three
six four, make tough contested catches. He's good run after
the catch. Yeah, I mean I think these good. I
thank Matthew Golden. I mean, you look you okay, Romeo Dobbs,
you mentioned Kristin Watson, you mentioned Reid. They got a lot,
They got a lot of receivers. They don't really have
a guy that like, Okay, this is the guy that
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you gotta worry about. You kind of got to worry
about them all because at any given moment, because you know,
it might be Dobbs weeks one week and it'll be
Christian Watson.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Watson's biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Is yeah he he gonna put him up and put
him down. Hell, but the goddamn damn Packer's got a
foot by one team. Un they got about one team. Dove, Watson,
Reid can fly go to fly man stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Uh yeah, I I think McMillan and Abuka would have
the biggest but I'm not going to sleep on Uh.
You know, Luther Burton, a lot of people thought he'd
be a first round draft pick receiver out of Missouri. Uh,
he go, he goes to the Bears. They got DJ Moore,
they got Roma Doomsay. Uh, they drafted a tight end
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in the first round. They still have col Cobbett, They've
upgraded their offensive line they should be and they got
Detroit so old offensive coordinator as the head coach. Creativity, Yeah,
so they should definitely be better offensively. And if they are
better offensively, well big number because if you look at Detroit,
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you look at Jamison Williams had had a phenomenal season.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You look at I'm Brown, Oh we had that big season.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know what's funny is Almond Ross Saint Brown. He's
one of the top five receivers depending on how you
put him in the order in the NFL. Well, I
really think it didn't matter who was calling the goddamn
plays because he's so good at just route running in general,
he's a polished one. You know, I don't have to
scheme you open. He's one of those where officer coordinators
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in your head coach. You know what, I could sleep
at night because I ain't got to worry about that one.
It don't matter who we plan. I don't have to
worry about him. I know what he can do. So
you add what he can do in his skill set
and his DNA and then you put that with the
creativity that Ben Johnson has last year, you get magic.
You get magic. And I don't know if there's anyone
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like that, but that type of skill set similar to
amm Ross Saint Brown on the Bears. But DJ Moore
is damn good. He's not that far behind.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He's not. He's he doesn't have that short.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Area of quickness like that. No, no, no, no, that's not
That's not what he is. He's can't he play the spot? Yeah,
but he's an outside the number he and Roman Dunes
is outside the number type of guys, right, so right.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The good thing about it is is Ben Johnson is
going to understand and know his player strengths and put
them in position to be able to make those plays
and not allow them to be exposed in whatever that
we can see is that we can't see watching from home.
We don't know it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
They know it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And Justin Field's preseason debut against the Packers, Field was
ultra efficient. He was three or four pass and forty
two yards, ran the ball twice for fourteen yards, and
didn't take a single sack. Fields orchestrated a sharp opening
drive against the Packers starting defense, capping it off with
a thirteen yard rushing touchdown. This set the tone for
an excellent preseason open for Aaron Glenn's squad. Does Field
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remaining calm composed in the control pocket. What do you think, Ojoe,
do you think did you like what you saw from him?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Listen, we saw we saw slashes of brilliance when he
was with the Bears. We saw flashes of what he
can do when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So what
we saw tonight is what we expected from Fields. It's
all about him just being consistent and being able to
do it week two week. He's always wanted his opportunity
to be a starting quarterback. I think he wasn't dealt
a fair deal in Chicago because when you look at
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the Chicago Bears in that organization and the way they
conducted and handle quarterbacks throughout the years, it hasn't been
great at all. It hasn't been great at all. It
just hasn't. Now things are a little different, got Ben Johnson,
the or Kata Williams. Things are different the way they're
running the system. Obviously, in Pittsburgh, Russ was promised the
starting job Ruskin's hurst. Justin Field comes in, he plays phenomenal,
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he plays phenomenal. But obviously, once Ruski is healthy, Russ,
I mean justin Field is bench boom, damn it can
I just get opportunity. Can I get an opportunity to
shine and show what I can do at the quarterback position?
I can be quarterback number one if you put me
in a situation that is advantageous for me and my
skill set. Now that in New York with a players
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coach that played the game and understands exactly what you
can and can do, and can it do what he
needs to do to make sure you're successful. You got
Garret Wilson. I don't know who, and I can't remember
his last name. I meant to write it down. I
don't know if it was a fullback that kept making
those plays tonight or tight end. I think he wore
forty seven. I think it was wearing forty seven. Hey,
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young bull popped out on film. He popped out on
film to the point where, well, I don't know who
this is, but I guarantee you he's gonna have a
starting job. I don't know if it was a fullback
or a tight end, but he was balling.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Just had four hundred and three yards total yards. Green
Bay had two turnovers. Time of possession was thirty eight
to forty one Jets twenty one nineteen first downs was
twenty one to twelve in favor of the Jets. Like
I said, I think his name is Jay too. Fairly,
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you made a team.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He did.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Uh two sacks and he had a fumble recovery for
a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, but I think that's that's the key for him.
The Jets showed that, showed justin feels that they wanted it.
They gave a two year deal. They put him, he's
the starter. They do have ty Rod to be his backup.
But that's what he wanted. That's why he didn't go
back to Pittsburgh. He said, Now y'all already sure what
y'all want, y'all already did. How y'all gonna do Pittsburgh.
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You're not gonna do me, Dirney twice.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Listen, Pittsburgh is the situation where there's a young lady
that wants you. She wants you, she doesn't want nobody
else to have you, so she put you in the
friend zone until the dude she really won't get his
act together. Okay, now I'm gonna put you off the
on the bench. Now, I'm I'm gonna go deal with Russ.
That's whatever. That's the situation last year, So you get smart.
That ain't the situation. That's ideal for me, and where
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I want to go. New York is perfect for him.
He got somebody that actually wants him. When you have
somebody actually wants you, you're able to play freely understanding, Okay,
have to look over my shoulder. I don't have the
pressure of having to do everything perfect and do everything right.
I can just play.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Football, That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
And I think ag you know they moved on from
Aaron Rodgers basically for Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, m hm. But he made it easy for him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Rogers made it easy.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You have someone like ag ag ain't playing with that.
I'm not sure if I'm ready. I don't know if
I'm buying in. I don't know if I'm be there
for training camp. I don't know if I want to
take it down. Man, ag Ain't got time for that.
I'm trying to change the entire culture. I need players
that are boarding. Whether you've been playing five years or
we've been playing twenty I need you on the same
page to me, and he just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Only if you're a relative, do you have tolerance for
bs as.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
A person's age yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You know, you you a if that person not related
to you know, people like yeah, man, you know old people,
and you know, look at this juncture, AG coming in
as a new coach, he needs everybody to be bought in.
Aaron being as great as he is and being who
he is, he can easily sway a locker room. So
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I think and for AG looking at it, like for
me to make sure I still have control of this
locker room, let's just move on, because I'm not so
sure if Aaron did was there was there was something
that did AG want to hear Aaron say something? Unless
Aaron came with that thing, turning back flips like yes, sir,
let's let's go a g I'm ready, Unless he got that,
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they probably was gonna move on anyway, Oh Joe, they
probably gonna move on. Yeah, and uh, but hopefully Justin
can seize this opportunity, because this is a opportunity. This
might be the best opportunity because you know, when he
went to Chicago, you know he's gonna be the starter.
They just didn't have the pieces around him. And I
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don't know if that system was conducive and the coach
was conducive. Now he has another defensive minded head coach,
but I think AG has an offensive guy that can
put Justin Field's in.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Position to be and listen, you would do. Let's let's
understand what Justin Field has at his disposal. Over there
with the Jetswell, you got Breist Hall, you got brother
brother Allen all who looks like who looks like Derrick Henry?
Who looks the part? I mean, I'm not saying he's
Derrick Henry. I'm just saying they have a one two
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punch of the running back position. We have one of
top ten receivers in the NFL, depending on where you
slay the Matt, depending on where you want him Att
and Garrett Wilson, Well, god, damn, who's the number two?
Who a chat? Who's the number two? A receiver? A
man with the Jets? It's slipping my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Damn you think I mean? He look?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Alan Lazar still there? Alan?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Josh Reynolds, Josh Reynolds. You remember Josh Rentlds. I think
he played for the he played for the Rams. I
think he was in like Tennessee. So was he or
was he or was he in uh Detroit? I'm almost
certain he was at the Rams, so hold on Alan
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Lazard and Josh Reynolds. So that's the that's the two
and the three. And Gary was that he was trying
to find out. We know Gary Wilson that we're trying
to find the other receivers. But that is Josh Reynolds
that he's with the Rams. I think he's with Tennessee
or was it a liar?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Okay? Yeah, he with the Broncos. You like you think
is the right fit for the Jabs. Absolutely listen.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You need a player like that that can deal with
that media. Forget the house, forget the football stuff. Give
me somebody with a mindset and the mentality that can
deal with all the bullshit and the stereotypes that come
along with being the head coach in the market of
that magnitude. Once you get something that's ready for that, okay,
now I can work on everything else. I can work
from the top on down. And Ag is the right
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player for that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And he played in New York, so he definitely Listen.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
One thing about it. Even though he played in New York.
You understand how those news papers are. You ain't getting
no cut either. We ain't give me your no break either.
The things ain't going right. We're gonna hop on YouTube.
But hey, the newsplayer, the newspaper outlets and media outlets
are ruthless and I don't know who creates them. Of
the headlines sometimes, boll they so creative.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's what they say. If you can make it in
New York, make.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It anywhere, make it anywhere. Hey, just sitting here talking
about all this quarterback play man, it just reminded me
of my day man at beachid Man. Mind me my
days at beachid Man. You know I was one of
the best in the state. Huh huh, give me. I
wanted the best in the state.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Know you want the best delibery No, no, no, no in the state.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
About in the world, I was one of the best
in the world. I remember. You know it's funny for
me for me to play quarterback at Miami b Senior
High in nineteen ninety six. I still remember my receivers,
my number one of my number two, Dwight Ster and
Richard lucel Live. That's my little Zould Dwight Dweightster, I mean,
Dwight was my homeboy.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Joe, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You think Joe Montowna could tell you who is what
I receivers were in college or you had two or three?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh but see my my my two. Dwight stir up
for Richard Luce. That's my Zoe. Richard lu said, that's
my Zoe. I say, Richard, if you see this, you know, hey,
we was at that doing work. My hey, listen. My
running back was Tobar Wilson. Oh my goodness, boy, Toby
he was. You should have saw me out there.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, named the offensive line, name your five offensive line and.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
At Organs at Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
At Oregon State, yeah, I played receiver. I don't know
exact exactly, that's my point. I was running the office
like this blue Addy. Hey, Mike, you're hot. You're hot.
You get too you get too off, Mike, you hot?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, at alert alert, and then I go to the gun.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
He ain't do none of that.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Hey, hey, well I used to be he I used
to be killing that thing. A quarterback I had had
on the number two too. And you got to remember,
remember I was the baby when I was a freshman.
D start these starts with the quarterback. Samri Roll was
a receiver. Terry Cousins was playing running back. So you
got to you gotta understand.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And y'all won seven games. We was good.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Now, Oh you got to understand who we played again?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Seven games?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think it's some good competition. Now, what the hey,
Miami Northwestern, Miami Central Edison High School. Then, boy was
stacked back then.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Black.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I ain't hear none of them players. I ain't hear
none of them name. But y'all name all the guys
that you name played in the.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm just I'm just telling the quality that my school had.
We had good quality.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We had good So what happened to the win?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
What the quality? Tell me? The quality wins?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I know y'all had quality players wins.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Now, I just don't remember the records from back then.
That's a very long time ago.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
You know your record were, y'all fourteen and one, fifteen
to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Two know we weren't able to state.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Y'all lost in the state championship. Y'all lost in the
semifinals quarterfinals.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Damn, I can't remember, but I did score. For what
I can tell you is I scored four touchdowns in
one game. And nobody nobody's done that. Nobody scored four
touchdowns in one game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Did y'all win that game.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yes, yes, matter of fact, we almost beat Miami Northwestern
the year they won state. One of the greatest, one
of the greatest high school receivers. I saw with my
own eyes, Marvin Snoop Minis out of the Scott Projects
that played for Florida State, played with Kansas City for
a little bit before you got hurt. I've never seen
nothing like Snoop Minutes boring high school. Uh oh my, oh, y'all,
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what am I supposed to do? We almost beat the
team that won the state. I'm just trying to I'm
just trying to relive my story of high school.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm just sharing that story. So if we're talking football,
it's taking me down, membery Lane, Can we talk about
the young bulls that's going into the NFL that got
an opportunity to start at the highest level and it
just brought me back to where it all started. That's all.
I'm just sharing my feelings in my story. That's all.
My bad man.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh man, it sucks, it sucks being you, Oh Jo,
it sucks being oh You want to be young so
bad to go back out there with you.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I do I'm doing because listen, I'm really not old
like I. It kind of it makes me upset and
it kind of bothers me when people call me unk
and I think about it, well while you calling me
unk and I look younger than you sometimes, like you know,
you know, it's like what you mean, uncle, But let
me look at you where you look fifty? You look sixty,
you know, because you're you're drinking your life away and
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you're smoking and all that. But my body feel good.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Huh. Give me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I ain't never been hurt. I don't have no injuries.
I take care of myself.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, you go back out there, you will be hurt.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You think, so, I think?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I think I have the the the self awareness and
the IQ to be able to protect myself if given
the opportunity to play at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You think, so, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I might not have the speed. I still have my
my my ladder movement, my quick ain't the same. But
even if it's not the same, it's still better than
what's out there.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
No think so mm hmm, you done lost too much
of it, you Spidey, since it don't take it anymore
because they ain't been on, you ain't turned them on
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It's like a car.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You would have the baddest car you could have a
bugatt It pays six million dollars for it.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But don't let it run.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Put it in, put it in your garage, and don't
cut it on for twelve years, fourteen years, fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, be right? You think it go crank?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, it should, it should.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
No, it won't.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And then and then you're gonna have to then you
have to go take it to the shop, get all
the fluids flushed. Oh man, you gotta realize, don't you.
You you haven't run like that?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, like that like you used to run in
a vent.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
You right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I think there's a greater chance that you will hurt something.
Then you go out there and look like your.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Old self able to chat on my head. Boy, they
called you all kind of names, Chad hurts, Chad leef yah,
Chad bledsoe, Chad to beato.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno Smith. I'm scene
gesture as he defended his quarterback. He said, did you
see the sign? Did you see what the sign said?
Next question, well, we know what the sign said, bigger
buss Gino or JaMarcus Russell with Gino and Max Crosby
over reacting.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Hey, I mean I would that's a tough one. I
wouldn't say overreacted. Boom, you're talking trashing me. You gotta
sign right in my face all I've done for you.
I'm back here in Seattle, and that's what you think
of me. I laid my life on the line. Is
your quarterback number one for a couple of years? You
know things didn't workout, and that's how you think of me.
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I'm coming back. I'm coming back with grace.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I did everything I could for you as a Seahawk,
and that's how you feel now you feel I'm a
bus What do we talk about? Huh? If anything, you
should be applauding me.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Clap for me.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I know as a quarterback number one, you hold me
to a standards is in comparison to some of the greats.
I wasn't Tom Brady, I wasn't Payton Manning. But I've
done all I could and laid it on the line
for you week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Twelve What Look, it's not even it's not even close
to being true. Now, if Gino Smith was Ryan Leaf. Okay,
we have a conversation. I mean him or JaMarcus.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Don't do that as a fan, Like, come on, man,
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Who's comeback player of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Uh. He threw a career high thirty touchdown lead the
league and completion percentage and earn back to back Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So, by no stretch of their imagination, is Jenal Smith
a bus No?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
No, But I mean listen, fans do certain things and
get that fun of your skin. Yeah, you know, you
leave a situation most of the time and you come back.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Some people.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Let their true feelings show on how they really feel
about you. Now, I understand your look. You might be
to the Seahawks, but all I've done. This is how
you really feel about me truthfully now that I'm not here. Yes, like,
come on, man, don't do don't do me like that?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yes, don't do me like that.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
You mean I dated you for for for four, five, six,
six years and now that I'm going wait, this is
how you truly feel about me now that I'm no
longer around because I'm that hurts that sting. I can
understand where the middle finger came from. I understand, Like,
what are we talking about? I sacrificed you to make
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you happy. On Sundays at one o'clock, I was throwing
touchdown the DK and ty to locket to make you happy.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
A lot of players played for teammates, respect, coaches, trust, fans, appreciation.
Mm hmm. I guess you didn't appreciate me as much
as I thought you did. Like that, So it does
hurt when you put it what you when you put
what you put into it. Lebron might not ever meant this,
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but it hurt him going back to Cleveland considering what
he gave him. M yere he left, But Bro, I
did let it on the line for you. I gave
you seven great years, did all I could, and then
you burn my jersey. You say all these things about
Geno's like.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I resurrected my career in Seattle. All I wanted was
to be appreciated. I know my teammates respected me. I
know my coaches trusted me. Does when you put when
you put a lot into something. Uh Granty used to
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say all the time, Boy, I hate an ungrateful person.
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
That irks me too. That irks me too, I hate ungratefulness.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Mhm. We see out of the best. Sometimes you better
be careful what you wish for. You thought you, I
guess you that like uh you that like uh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Gino, Well, ain't no, ain't no, ain't no thing that
you're getting. What's this came from Minnesota? What's the guy
donald samn?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Donald? Ain't no guarantee mm hmm. He ain't got the
weapons that he had in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, he ain't got no Jedle, he ain't got no Addison,
he ain't got Howkinson, he ain't got Aaron Jones. He
ain't got Kevin o'callor calling plays. And we saw we
saw the last two games, right, did you see the
last two games? Ohjo, what was the craziest sign you
saw as a player?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Man, that's a good one. On that's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. I enjoy those environments too,
I oh my goodness. Though, the craziest sign probably the
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old the old oo, instead of probably stinko. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
most of the time. And then it's so funny. They
would have their signs, they would have their signs, and
I would talk trash back and walk up to the stands.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
One of their signs. Didn't you sign?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Somebody sign always yeah, we always stand the sign and listen,
and they always say the same thing, listen, we do
this because we love you. It has nothing for the
wrong team. But you want our favorites. And everybody say
the same thing. They don't really mean it, but they
don't have a choice but to go against me.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
If you really did suck, nobody says the guy that
they're getting in the game, you suck.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
If all of the players that's really good, that sucks,
which means you don't you don't actually up. That means
you're very very good. Ain't nobody doing Tom Brady's backup
theying Brady?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah they're not. Boy, they're not boring to Peyton Man,
the guy that.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I guarantee you if if the quarterback, I mean, look,
they're gonna blue the polling team. But the loudies boo.
Let's just say Tom Brady wasn't first, he was third. Right,
they're gonna be looking for Brady because they want to
boo him.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
You boo. Greatness, Hey about it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I love playing in hostile environments. I love love I
couldn't listen playing at home and cool. That's fun. Yeah,
I like people cursing and talking trash and all that.
That was just I was so comfortable being uncomfortable and hostile.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Well, y'all, y'all rival y'all rival was was Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Because remember with Sam why you got on the phones
and says, don't throw batteries.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
You live in Cincinnati, you don't live in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Right, yeah, you got that.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
That was that was you guys, because you're both in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, yeah, o Ohio.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Right, so it's uh uh, it's a it's a natural
it's a natural rivalry.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I mean, look, there was no love lost in it.
Before they renamed it the a f C North, it
was the AFC Central, right, I think it was still
the af C Central when you got in. They changed
it like in O two they went to the for
the eight the eight U the four team divisions. Because
it used to be Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, uh, Baltimore, Tennessee
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and Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
We were all in one division, don't joe mm hmm.
We all we were all in one division.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
And then they you know, they split it up and
then they took Jacksonville in Tennessee and put them in
the South, you know. Uh, we used to be in Seattle,
used to be in the AFC West. Then they went
to the NFC West. But it states the Chargers the
Raiders us in Kansas City. But uh, like when you
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got like the the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders,
and and it was our biggest rivals because we came in.
They came in like the AFL together the Chiefs. But
it's different player. It's definitely different playing on the road
than at home. You feel it as you're driving in.
Everybody's already tailgating. And you know what I'm saying, Oh Joe,
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they already tailgating and they do it. They throw in
the football, they got, they drinking beer already.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Like how the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock
in the morning. Yeah, but they you know, they getting
their things, They getting their big grilling.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Cleveland, Cleveland fans, I will give them credit.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Or as little as they've won in the last thirty
plus years, them mofos show.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Up every I ain't look, I can understand what Joe had.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
They went to the MC championship game or they went
to the Super Bowl, and even if they lost, but
the way they show up for their team to not
win more than what they do. I ain't seen nothing
like it. Ain't no way I'm gonna go sit that
there in Nicole. Let alone get up and tailgate. That's
going four and four and thirteen, four and twelve.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh no, listen, I had I had a special relationship
with those Cleveland fans, especially Big Dog. I'm not sure
what Big Dog is at this point. Every time I
do I'm on here, we talk about Cleveland. I always
curious how Big Dog is doing. Everyone that's sat in that.
I think that might be the North the North end zone.
They showed such love in a hostile way, and I
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made sure to show that love back, even though obviously
they're they're they're the opposing fans. But I've always showed
them respect. They've always showed me respect, and they knew
understood when it was game time. Unk. When it's game time, man,
forget you. We're gonna we're gonna have some fun. And
I remember I remember getting permissioned. I think I might
be the only person that's done that and been accepting
of that. Is when I did. I leaped in the
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dog pound. Remember remember when I jumped in the Dog Pound.
So I asked, I asked Big Dog before the game started,
I said, listen, if I happened to score on this end,
I want to jump to you. No disrespect, but let
me jump to you. And he said, yeah, well come on.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And do it.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
And longold one person right, yeah yeah, big Dog, yeah,
one part of the big big Man big Man people in.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Listen, I scored on that and I looked for him
and I saw him. I jumped right to him. Everybody
else around, man, I smelled like being a hold the
rest of the game.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
He did, and did they shove your ass out the club?
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Let me right out the club. But listen, that was
That was a great moment for me. Man, that was
a great moment.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
You you wire for that one.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It was.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
It was awesome. It was awesome. Mm hmmmm mm hmmmm
mm hmmm
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Hm
Okay, we saw the debut today Travis Hunter. Ojo saw
action on both sides of the football in his preseason
debut the Jags versus the Steelers. On offense, he had
eleven snaps, two receptions nine yards. On defense, he had
eight snaps with zero targets.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ojo, I might have to.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Get a couple of more jobs like you because the
way they got these games spread out and how you're
gonna have to pay Dawn there, you basically got to
pay to watch each individual game, Ojosen.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You know what you can do. You can use YouTube TV.
You can use YouTube TV where you get most of
the games. And also I have an NFL app on
my phone, so the NFL app allows you to be
able to go back and forth through some of the
games you want to. You can't see them all at
the same time, but just the preseason, it's just the preseason,
so it's kind of difficult to be able to watch
the ones you want to watch based on location and
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when where.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They are so because most of most of them are
reached right right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But once once the regular season gets in gets in,
you know you'll be able to watch multiple at one time,
especially the one o'clock games obviously the four thirty games
and then those that are stated at seven thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right, he did have eleven snaps, two receptions for nine yards.
Uh nothingdeed, nothing significant. He gave up leverage on one play.
He'll learn these guys are really good. You Hey, if
you got leverage and he had leverage and let the
guy bounce outside, you ain't you ain't getting you catching
those guys. You got to maintain your your laying the responsibility, integrity.
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But like I said, it was it was you know,
I just wanted to see what you know, we saw
what we saw. What wasn't you know what I'm saying,
if I mean, how do we rate it? He caught
two passes for nine yards and he had eight snaps
with you were talking.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, the one thing is it's kind of it's
not it's not nippicking. One thing that he will learn too.
On the two pass that he get he did he
did catch. I call it. I always call it that
Marvin Harrison, remember Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison always having
that under that short under six yards coming in. He
did so well in college that the players and the
dbs in college didn't do. They would over commit so
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much he'd be be able to spin out the back door.
He'd be able to the back door. But now now
that you're at the next level, they don't over commit.
They come to balance right away and they make the tackle.
So he tried to and.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The big guys trailing.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Because what happened when they see that ball thrown.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, they're coming, but but this is the thing you
got to remember. He's coming from outside the end and
trying to spin back outside. Hope he is control, but
most of the time they're not out of control, so
they were under control. Listen, you you you split the
man in half. When your attack coming to tackle, you
always hit the target, so I mean outside.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, you keep your off and you don't let him
get on your outside shoulder because a lot of times,
like you said, they over commit and the outside shoulder
inside the man. Now he spins out. Now you see,
as long as my outside shoulder free.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I can yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, so and that that that's it. That's it here
he'll see. It will be much more difficult to be
able to do some of those tricks that you did
in college because these were out of control. They over commit,
they attacking the inside shoulder, you know, and all you
got to once you spin back, it becomes a foot
race and you running down the.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Side lot race him to the corner.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now I got my inside, I got my steal farm,
free the stell farm.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You'll pick up yards.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But yeah, that those are things that you know as
you play at this at this level, you will learn
a lot of the tricks of the trade. You'll know
when to get down, when you can fight and struggle
for extra yards. Because I'm telling you, those big guys
and those lakes hurt with them three hundred pounds hit you.
That's different than a dB tackle you now, because he hitting,
he putting help and on you. And when he putting
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three hundred pounds exactly so and on on defensive side.
Like I said, he just had that one, that one
play that I saw that he gave up leverage. But
other than that, nothing you know, really made you the
right home about I don't think it's gonna be really
hard to judge him Ojo, unless he gets significant snaps,
you know what I'm saying, and they give him an
opportunity and we see him we see them like game
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plan to get him the football.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Mm hmm, it's hard. I mean he caught two passes now.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And I thought I thought, obviously the hype around Travis
Hunter second second round, yeah, I mean second pick in
the draft, I thought they were going to feature him
a little bit. But obviously, yeah, they allowed treupor Lawrence,
they allowed the offense to flow. Whatever they gave him.
They just they didn't feature him. Who first played the game,
Brian Talma Jr. God damn hits on the right side.
Then I thought they would come to him at some
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point and just get him acclimated and then then get
him going. But nah, now they just waited. When the
opportunity to present itself, they threw in the ball and
you know it was it was simple.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Me personally, I think he's gonna spend more time on
offense than defense. But hey, that that remains to be seen.
But I do think you'll probably get a lot more.
You will see a lot more Travis and what he's
capable of doing once the season started. I don't think
they're gonna, you know, try to prove any point and
make anything, you know, do anything, have him do anything.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Spectacular in the post season because the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Is, oh, Joe, I want to you know, you try
to keep most of your stuff up the round. I
don't want to show you too much in the preseason
because these games don't mean anything. I'm just trying to
get timing. I'm trying to get the guys, you know,
get the guys in football shape because because here's the thing.
Now with three games, you play the third game, Now
you got it in the week a week in between
when you play again. It used to be, you know,
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out your we played that Thursday Friday, and guess what
we was playing the following Sunday. It's not like that anymore.
So now you play. Now you got another weekend between
before you go play. And so I'm just trying to
get the guys as conditioned as I possibly can, let
them know what it's going to be expected, you know,
the timing and all that stuff. But I think Travis fine,
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like I said, eleven snaps, two receptions, nine yards, eight snap,
zero targets.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He got nineteen. He got nineteen snaps, which is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Probably about what you would think if he was just
a rookie playing on one side of the ball. That's
probably what you thought he would get by nineteen snaps.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I'm excited for him.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Man mixed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But the most outstanding thing in the game happened when
Jaguars kicker Cam Little nailed a seventy yard field goal
as the first half expired in Jacksonville's preseason open against
the Steelers that would have broken the NFL record had
it been the regular season. Justin Tucker kicked a sixty
six yard field goal to beat the Lions September twenty sixth,
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twenty twenty one at Ford Field.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now it's a lot different.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's a lot different kicking outside than it is inside
because you got control conditions. You don't have to worry
about win, you don't have to worry about rain, you
don't have to worry about anything. That Feeld goal, that
this gentleman kick looked like it had been good for
him about.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Seventy to because he boomed.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
He did, He boomed it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He boomed it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Look I don't care. I know it's pre seeded, doesn't count. Well,
you go out there and you go out there to
the high school fielding kicking.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's very difficult. I don't think people understand how far
that is, even for those who are professionals. You have
to understand being able to kick it from that far.
One Most people do have the leg, but the problem
is it's not It's not about having a leg and act.
It's about having the accuracy to be able to kick
from that far. You have to understand the uprights have
been have been changed. They're a lot more narrow than
they used to be. So for the room for era,
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the room for era when kicking, you know, most of
the time the ball depending on if you have the consistency. Yes, yes, yes,
that you have the consistence and you follow through. You
can't swing to the left or you can't leave your
leg open and then it'll go wide right. You know,
everything has to be perfect that that that finished, that followed.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Especially when you kick it that far, because if anything
is off you kicking that bar.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And the funny thing about it is most people most
people say, well it is the preseason. There's no pressure
as well in this in this kick, there's no pressure.
The circumstance that that you're in. You know, it's it's preseason.
You know what we're gonna allow you to kick? Will
they allow me to kick from seventy maybe in a
regular season game where it actually counts. Uh, probably not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
This.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You got to understand the team is already in.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Steelers didn't even put anybody back. That was my point.
They didn't even put any back back there. So they're like,
he don't even worry about it, because that's the thing
that that is the thing. What you're saying is that
they normally have a guy back there, and if you
miss it, you got really only two guys maybe your
wings that can tackle. They're normally linebackers are tight end,
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so those are really you only really got two guys
that can tackle. You got offensive linemen mainly offensive lineman.
Now you might have a defensive lineman on there oo,
but he ain't tackling in space. No, And you know
the kick, what what what's the likelihood of the kick
or the holder gains somebody down Because we saw it
on the kick six Auburn versus Alabama. We've seen Antonio
Caramarti run those things back. We've seen Devin Hester run
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it back. I think OBJ ran one back in college.
So when you put people in situations that they're not
used to being in, which is offensive lineman having to
tackle kickers and punters having to tackle, especially with that
kind of space. Now, if you get him hemmed up
on the sideline, you could try to push him out
of bounds. But that guy that got a head of steam,
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and you know they're taught in lineman don't really know
how to get lanes. O Yoe, cause you know they
followed each other, they followed right behind one another.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Bro spread the ass out. We got lanes. Now that
you have to get him.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And but that was I was like, and why not,
like you said, oh, Yoe, why not try something like this? Okay,
Now I got the confidence because if it's if it's
a latent ball game, instead of trying to help Mary hell, i'
I might let the kicker come out there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And either the tire game or win a game.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, I mean, especially if we're an Endy or Houston
because those are indoor.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
There's no factors from the outside elements.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, yes, so congratulation, congratulations. It does not count towards
the record. But you know, you know, now I got
the I got the leg. The coach knows you have
the leg. Hey, you know who cause you gotta Joe.
That's a kick off.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Absolutely, you know, I can't hold on, wait a minute,
now you do know your co hosts can kick just
as far.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Right, now, you never kicked that far?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Hold on time out, time out, time out, time out.
You know there's video, there's visual evidence, there's video evidence.
I don't know Ash is there you have. You have
a great team of people that can pull things up.
They know she on vacation for real, as can you
please show on me kicking from sixty sixty five yards
(11:01):
please and having even more room to go once it
goes through. I think I might have been with during
this time. I might have been with Bleacher Report. We
were we were doing something. It's it's online.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No no no no no no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I'm talking about in the game. Now, if you can
make a pata.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Five yards in the game, uh, and or just just
doing it, you know in part practicing it's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Still so so a guy catcher, so a guy catching
the ball in the turkey bowler to save it's kicking
the ball in the well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We're not talking about a guy. We're talking you're actually
referring to an actual player who plays, you know in
the NFL, or played played right many many years ago.
But I still can't mentally, I know what to do. Now,
the body might not react the way it should.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I know, I know what to do. I know
how to run. I know how to like swing my
arm and put one leg in front of the other.
But doing it is something to get entirely different.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I'm just trying to give you a small example that
your coldes can kick sixty five seventy.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yard as well. No, maybe, once upon a time my
co host years.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Old to realize I gotta play soccer every weekend. I'm
part of I'm part of a soccer league here in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Out here. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You think you think MESSI legs feed is the same
as it was, say, fifteen years old, speed, easy, like.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Being able to break out and get away from people.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I said, his legs speed.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, absolutely not, no, no, why not because he's much
older now?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh okay, thank you very much. We can move along.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Cam Ward NFL preseason debut tonight in Tampa. Five of
eight completions, all completions coming on the second drive, sixty
seven yards passing at eighty nine point one rating, led
his sixty.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Five yard touchdown drive.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh Joe, the little bit the limited action that you
saw you like, which is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The funny thing about it is, you know what is
these players are infl ready. Some rookies that I saw
today are are so poisonous pocket most of the time.
They get happy feet when pressure is put upon them.
But they look like them and planning for ten plus years.
They look like veterans. The pocket presence, the relaxedness under
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the rest. Cam wore showed it. Jackson Dart showed it
as well. Obviously we saw your Door last night who
also played with that same calmness and poors. And you
can see the leadership qualities in the way they carry
themselves as quarterbacks. And Cam small Samul sized that we
were able to see tonight, and he didn't play much,
but you can tell. You can tell he's sharp. You
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can tell he's been coached well, not just here at
the NFL level it was at now because it doesn't
just happen that fast. It's not that fast of a
turnaround to look that comfortable, like you know what you're doing.
So he was coached very well obviously when he was
at UM and so it's carried over into the NFL.
And I'm excited for Tennessee Titan fans. You know, and
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what they had with the number one pick. I just
don't like the fact that he's been overshadowed since his
pick because everyone else has been talked about. This is
the least talked about number one pick. I think maybe
Whatmber you were the number one pick, so it seemed
like he's went under the radar. No one said anything
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about him when most of the pressure is on a
number one pick to perform because you're going to that
was the worst last year.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like you said, I can fly to the radar.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The difference is now, Oho, these guys come in they've
been coached by throwing coaches since they were in high school.
They're freshman, so they're not like the guys that came
in twenty five years ago. They were just coming to
the NFL and then okay, hey, you get you hired
a coach right before you getting ready to go to
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the combine, and then you work wait them up until
your pro day and that's it. These guys have these
guys all the time. It's just like basketball players. They
got shooting coaches and they got trainers now in college,
so they have an upper hand. That's why they're so
when you find a guy that's ready, he's really ready
(15:09):
to play. Yes, these receivers, they work with guys. So
when you find a guy that's ready, he's really really ready.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And so guys.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Are not coming in like you. I mean, like like
I came in. I mean, guy you know time. I mean,
guys would go down there for like maybe six weeks
and work with a speed coach. But these guys got
professionals basically training them.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Sometimes they have them in the high school. Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So just imagine you going through the process and they
give you any they're giving you pro style advice.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And you know, I think that's why so many different
quarterbacks obviously they look the part, but don't have all
the other intangibles.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
To be a starter.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They looked a part. But cam Mood not only did
he look the part, but he had everything else. He
had all the other qualities that make him the number
one pick obviously should do it fall into the fifth round.
Not only do he look the part, but he has
all the other intangibles that made that made him a
top pick despite him fall into the fifth round. They polished.
(16:10):
They're polished, that's all, Liz. You're rookie who's been prepared
for the NFL level. So you look the par once
you're in a structured environment in a real live game. Goddamn,
how the hell are you dropping back? So goddamn calm.
Everybody rushing trying to knock his head off, and he's
sitting there chilling. Progression one two three, Okay, three is
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not there. Let me shoot back to one. That one
ain't there. I meani to throw it out of the
bounds or on the tucket and run.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hell, now you better not if you if you go one,
two three and try to go back to one, they're
gonna hitt you.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Put your help right up under your chin.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You better take that check down, yeah, hey, one two three?
Check down one two three, throw it out of back, yes,
or take off with it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh And and I think, oh, Joe, I think that's
what we're seeing. If you look at these quarterbacks. I mean,
it used to be a quarterback throwing for twenty touchdowns
in the season, was like, oh my gosh, he really
did this man? This guy throwing for twenty five thirty
touchdowns easy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's a look.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I understand the rules have a lot to do
with that, the way they protect the quarterback, the way
they protect the sever. The way they throw the football
now is more conducive for quarterback having better stats. But
I do think these guys are a little bit more
advanced than when the older guys, the Montanas and the
l Ways and the Marinos when they came out. I'm
not saying they're better, but they're coach more and so
(17:34):
I don't know John probably never. I don't know if
Danny or John to be interesting, man, you had you
had a pro coach, you have a Tom House, or
you have a what's Carson Palmers brother.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Jordan Palmers real?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Did a you have a did you have a Jordan Palmer?
Did you have a George Whitfield? Did you have any
of those guys to to help you all these quarterbacks,
they have those offensive lineman, they're working out with offensive
line coaches, they're working out with former great NFL lineman.
(18:07):
So they're a little bit more advanced than say the
guys even if you want to say ten years ago,
fifteen years ago. Definitely when you go start going back
twenty thirty years ago, they're more advanced, just like the
guys are coming out in basketball. You see how even baseball,
these guys, you know, fathers played, and so they got
you know, hitting coaches, they got pitching coaches. They're looking
(18:29):
at biomechanics and they look at all.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The funny thing about it is you think about it
behind at the time change and knowledge, Yeah, is advanced,
and everything evolves. They have better resources, they got unlimited resources,
absolutely better at said position, whatever it may be. Whatever
they respect respective craft may be to hone that skill set.
So when they do make it, yes, who the highest level,
(18:54):
they look the part right now, it's one thing that
look the part everybody. I mean, the factor can get
you the door, but you got to have all the
other stuff that comes with it to excel.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I Toldally, I totally agree. But I thought Calboard
played really well, especially like second drive. You got the
ball to Calvin Ridley, you know, really, hey, that's somebody
he could lead lean heavily on because he's one of
the premium rode runners.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And he started to get you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He started to look like Calvin Ridley again, because you
remember that last year that he really played in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He was cutting, he was cut.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was he was doing it. He was really doing
it on the other side of the ball. Rookie Shiloh
Sanders delivered multiple big hits, including one on Brandon Allen
on the Blitz first round draft pick in Mecca. Also
showed off his physical attributes, leaping twenty one yard grab
backup quarterback Kyle Trash. I mean sch Doors played really well.
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I mean I've seen footage of him in camp. He
did a great job of in the one on one
team one on one period, a great John. I saw
he's on it. He was on it because you have
to understand he started out. He started out at.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The corner, so he doesn't have thought he was always yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
He started out of the corner and then moved to
say yeah uh but when yeah yeah, I thought he
played well. We know he's a thought looking to get
looking getting down here, hits on. Yeah, but I thought
he I think it's gonna be interesting, Joe. How many
special teams can you play? Because that's gonna be the key.
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He's not a state he Now he could be working
his way intil the starting lineup, but as of right now,
I don't think he's a starter.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So now what other ways can you contribute?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
He'll he'll be on He'll be on special teams, whether
it be field goal, whether it be ma be kick off?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Uh, yeah, return?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Can you be can you be a jammer? Can you
be a gunner? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Can you be on the front line? Can you be
a L one two, three, four five? On the front line?
You definitely gonna be. Okay, kickoff obviously?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah? He is it me?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Or does it seem like kickoff is much more much
easier as as as opposed to how it was during
our day. You know you had the wedge buster, you
had the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
They don't really want those type of collisions, so they don't.
If you see, they're not letting you get that kind
of running start. It's different, it's not it's I mean,
I think Hester said he'd have probably more return touchdowns
had they had it in like that. So it's been
interesting to see what would have happened, but the advance.
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But I don't I don't have a problem with Joe.
I mean sometimes like it's different, it's very different. It's
very different. Uh, the guy that you really like in
the first round, the Bucks selected a Mecca a uh
booka Uh, you like him, you like McMillan, Carolina, and
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they both are good. Like I think whether the Golden
go in the first round or the second rob God okay,
oh yeah, Miller.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
The second round ran for two.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
First number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then they had jayde Higgins went in the second round,
Luther Burton the third winn the second round, Trey Harris
went in the second round, and Jack Beach wit in
the second round.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So they were in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There were seven receivers that went in the first the
first two rounds.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Who do who do you expect to have the biggest
Probably honestly out of everyone you just named, I know
Matt Matthew Golden is good. He's phenomenal. Obviously, they do
have Dubbs, they have Jaydan Reid, so I don't think
he will get the number of targets necessary to be
able to showcase REDB. There's so many of them over there.
I think he will contribute. But I really believe T
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mac McMillan over there with the panther yeoh, and with
with what he's able to do and would he showed
very small sample size. Honestly, it's been one preseason game.
But again I've been high on the pants. I think
T is going to be the one to show showcase
his ability and what he can do. It's a mismatch
every time they leave in one on one. He's very tall,
he can run after the catch, and the fifty fifty
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ball turn into eighty twenty when when it is him.
So I'm excited for him. He's the one I'm highest
on and hoping that not just him, but collectively as
a group offensively as a receiving corps. I think they
make the difference in Bryce Young taking the next step
in his career.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I agree, I think him.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I like uh Ibuka also for the simple fact how
healthy is Chris Well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
God would be his return is he only?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Is he gonna I don't think he's gonna pu up.
But so it's gonna be interesting to see how he
used because you know, we know Baker can throw it.
We hey, you got missed consistency on one side. Evans,
Mike Evans and then so Booker could really have a
huge year. But I but I but I like mc
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millan also, long angular guy, what he's like sixty three
six four, make tough contested catches. He's good run after
the catch. Yeah, I mean I think these good. I
thank Matthew Golden. I mean, you look you okay, Romeo Dobbs,
you mentioned Kristin Watson, you mentioned Reid. They got a lot,
They got a lot of receivers. They don't really have
a guy that like, Okay, this is the guy that
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you gotta worry about. You kind of got to worry
about them all because at any given moment, because you know,
it might be Dobbs weeks one week and it'll be
Christian Watson.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Watson's biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Is yeah he he gonna put him up and put
him down. Hell, but the goddamn damn Packer's got a
foot by one team. Un they got about one team. Dove, Watson,
Reid can fly go to fly man stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Uh yeah, I I think McMillan and Abuka would have
the biggest but I'm not going to sleep on Uh.
You know, Luther Burton, a lot of people thought he'd
be a first round draft pick receiver out of Missouri. Uh,
he go, he goes to the Bears. They got DJ Moore,
they got Roma Doomsay. Uh, they drafted a tight end
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in the first round. They still have col Cobbett, They've
upgraded their offensive line they should be and they got
Detroit so old offensive coordinator as the head coach. Creativity, Yeah,
so they should definitely be better offensively. And if they are
better offensively, well big number because if you look at Detroit,
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you look at Jamison Williams had had a phenomenal season.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You look at I'm Brown, Oh we had that big season.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know what's funny is Almond Ross Saint Brown. He's
one of the top five receivers depending on how you
put him in the order in the NFL. Well, I
really think it didn't matter who was calling the goddamn
plays because he's so good at just route running in general,
he's a polished one. You know, I don't have to
scheme you open. He's one of those where officer coordinators
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in your head coach. You know what, I could sleep
at night because I ain't got to worry about that one.
It don't matter who we plan. I don't have to
worry about him. I know what he can do. So
you add what he can do in his skill set
and his DNA and then you put that with the
creativity that Ben Johnson has last year, you get magic.
You get magic. And I don't know if there's anyone
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like that, but that type of skill set similar to
amm Ross Saint Brown on the Bears. But DJ Moore
is damn good. He's not that far behind.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He's not. He's he doesn't have that short.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Area of quickness like that. No, no, no, no, that's not
That's not what he is. He's can't he play the spot? Yeah,
but he's an outside the number he and Roman Dunes
is outside the number type of guys, right, so right.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The good thing about it is is Ben Johnson is
going to understand and know his player strengths and put
them in position to be able to make those plays
and not allow them to be exposed in whatever that
we can see is that we can't see watching from home.
We don't know it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
They know it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And Justin Field's preseason debut against the Packers, Field was
ultra efficient. He was three or four pass and forty
two yards, ran the ball twice for fourteen yards, and
didn't take a single sack. Fields orchestrated a sharp opening
drive against the Packers starting defense, capping it off with
a thirteen yard rushing touchdown. This set the tone for
an excellent preseason open for Aaron Glenn's squad. Does Field
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remaining calm composed in the control pocket. What do you think, Ojoe,
do you think did you like what you saw from him?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Listen, we saw we saw slashes of brilliance when he
was with the Bears. We saw flashes of what he
can do when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So what
we saw tonight is what we expected from Fields. It's
all about him just being consistent and being able to
do it week two week. He's always wanted his opportunity
to be a starting quarterback. I think he wasn't dealt
a fair deal in Chicago because when you look at
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the Chicago Bears in that organization and the way they
conducted and handle quarterbacks throughout the years, it hasn't been
great at all. It hasn't been great at all. It
just hasn't. Now things are a little different, got Ben Johnson,
the or Kata Williams. Things are different the way they're
running the system. Obviously, in Pittsburgh, Russ was promised the
starting job Ruskin's hurst. Justin Field comes in, he plays phenomenal,
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he plays phenomenal. But obviously, once Ruski is healthy, Russ,
I mean justin Field is bench boom, damn it can
I just get opportunity. Can I get an opportunity to
shine and show what I can do at the quarterback position?
I can be quarterback number one if you put me
in a situation that is advantageous for me and my
skill set. Now that in New York with a players
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coach that played the game and understands exactly what you
can and can do, and can it do what he
needs to do to make sure you're successful. You got
Garret Wilson. I don't know who, and I can't remember
his last name. I meant to write it down. I
don't know if it was a fullback that kept making
those plays tonight or tight end. I think he wore
forty seven. I think it was wearing forty seven. Hey,
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young bull popped out on film. He popped out on
film to the point where, well, I don't know who
this is, but I guarantee you he's gonna have a
starting job. I don't know if it was a fullback
or a tight end, but he was balling.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Just had four hundred and three yards total yards. Green
Bay had two turnovers. Time of possession was thirty eight
to forty one Jets twenty one nineteen first downs was
twenty one to twelve in favor of the Jets. Like
I said, I think his name is Jay too. Fairly,
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you made a team.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He did.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Uh two sacks and he had a fumble recovery for
a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, but I think that's that's the key for him.
The Jets showed that, showed justin feels that they wanted it.
They gave a two year deal. They put him, he's
the starter. They do have ty Rod to be his backup.
But that's what he wanted. That's why he didn't go
back to Pittsburgh. He said, Now y'all already sure what
y'all want, y'all already did. How y'all gonna do Pittsburgh.
(30:32):
You're not gonna do me, Dirney twice.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Listen, Pittsburgh is the situation where there's a young lady
that wants you. She wants you, she doesn't want nobody
else to have you, so she put you in the
friend zone until the dude she really won't get his
act together. Okay, now I'm gonna put you off the
on the bench. Now, I'm I'm gonna go deal with Russ.
That's whatever. That's the situation last year, So you get smart.
That ain't the situation. That's ideal for me, and where
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I want to go. New York is perfect for him.
He got somebody that actually wants him. When you have
somebody actually wants you, you're able to play freely understanding, Okay,
have to look over my shoulder. I don't have the
pressure of having to do everything perfect and do everything right.
I can just play.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Football, That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
And I think ag you know they moved on from
Aaron Rodgers basically for Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, m hm. But he made it easy for him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Rogers made it easy.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You have someone like ag ag ain't playing with that.
I'm not sure if I'm ready. I don't know if
I'm buying in. I don't know if I'm be there
for training camp. I don't know if I want to
take it down. Man, ag Ain't got time for that.
I'm trying to change the entire culture. I need players
that are boarding. Whether you've been playing five years or
we've been playing twenty I need you on the same
page to me, and he just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Only if you're a relative, do you have tolerance for
bs as.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
A person's age yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You know, you you a if that person not related
to you know, people like yeah, man, you know old people,
and you know, look at this juncture, AG coming in
as a new coach, he needs everybody to be bought in.
Aaron being as great as he is and being who
he is, he can easily sway a locker room. So
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I think and for AG looking at it, like for
me to make sure I still have control of this
locker room, let's just move on, because I'm not so
sure if Aaron did was there was there was something
that did AG want to hear Aaron say something? Unless
Aaron came with that thing, turning back flips like yes, sir,
let's let's go a g I'm ready, Unless he got that,
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they probably was gonna move on anyway, Oh Joe, they
probably gonna move on. Yeah, and uh, but hopefully Justin
can seize this opportunity, because this is a opportunity. This
might be the best opportunity because you know, when he
went to Chicago, you know he's gonna be the starter.
They just didn't have the pieces around him. And I
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don't know if that system was conducive and the coach
was conducive. Now he has another defensive minded head coach,
but I think AG has an offensive guy that can
put Justin Field's in.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Position to be and listen, you would do. Let's let's
understand what Justin Field has at his disposal. Over there
with the Jetswell, you got Breist Hall, you got brother
brother Allen all who looks like who looks like Derrick Henry?
Who looks the part? I mean, I'm not saying he's
Derrick Henry. I'm just saying they have a one two
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punch of the running back position. We have one of
top ten receivers in the NFL, depending on where you
slay the Matt, depending on where you want him Att
and Garrett Wilson, Well, god, damn, who's the number two?
Who a chat? Who's the number two? A receiver? A
man with the Jets? It's slipping my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Damn you think I mean? He look?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Alan Lazar still there? Alan?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Josh Reynolds, Josh Reynolds. You remember Josh Rentlds. I think
he played for the he played for the Rams. I
think he was in like Tennessee. So was he or
was he or was he in uh Detroit? I'm almost
certain he was at the Rams, so hold on Alan
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Lazard and Josh Reynolds. So that's the that's the two
and the three. And Gary was that he was trying
to find out. We know Gary Wilson that we're trying
to find the other receivers. But that is Josh Reynolds
that he's with the Rams. I think he's with Tennessee
or was it a liar?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Okay? Yeah, he with the Broncos. You like you think
is the right fit for the Jabs. Absolutely listen.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You need a player like that that can deal with
that media. Forget the house, forget the football stuff. Give
me somebody with a mindset and the mentality that can
deal with all the bullshit and the stereotypes that come
along with being the head coach in the market of
that magnitude. Once you get something that's ready for that, okay,
now I can work on everything else. I can work
from the top on down. And Ag is the right
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player for that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And he played in New York, so he definitely Listen.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
One thing about it. Even though he played in New York.
You understand how those news papers are. You ain't getting
no cut either. We ain't give me your no break either.
The things ain't going right. We're gonna hop on YouTube.
But hey, the newsplayer, the newspaper outlets and media outlets
are ruthless and I don't know who creates them. Of
the headlines sometimes, boll they so creative.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's what they say. If you can make it in
New York, make.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It anywhere, make it anywhere. Hey, just sitting here talking
about all this quarterback play man, it just reminded me
of my day man at beachid Man. Mind me my
days at beachid Man. You know I was one of
the best in the state. Huh huh, give me. I
wanted the best in the state.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Know you want the best delibery No, no, no, no in the state.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
About in the world, I was one of the best
in the world. I remember. You know it's funny for
me for me to play quarterback at Miami b Senior
High in nineteen ninety six. I still remember my receivers,
my number one of my number two, Dwight Ster and
Richard lucel Live. That's my little Zould Dwight Dweightster, I mean,
Dwight was my homeboy.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Joe, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You think Joe Montowna could tell you who is what
I receivers were in college or you had two or three?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh but see my my my two. Dwight stir up
for Richard Luce. That's my Zoe. Richard lu said, that's
my Zoe. I say, Richard, if you see this, you know, hey,
we was at that doing work. My hey, listen. My
running back was Tobar Wilson. Oh my goodness, boy, Toby
he was. You should have saw me out there.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, named the offensive line, name your five offensive line and.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
At Organs at Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
At Oregon State, yeah, I played receiver. I don't know
exact exactly, that's my point. I was running the office
like this blue Addy. Hey, Mike, you're hot. You're hot.
You get too you get too off, Mike, you hot?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, at alert alert, and then I go to the gun.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
He ain't do none of that.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Hey, hey, well I used to be he I used
to be killing that thing. A quarterback I had had
on the number two too. And you got to remember,
remember I was the baby when I was a freshman.
D start these starts with the quarterback. Samri Roll was
a receiver. Terry Cousins was playing running back. So you
got to you gotta understand.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And y'all won seven games. We was good.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Now, Oh you got to understand who we played again?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Seven games?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think it's some good competition. Now, what the hey,
Miami Northwestern, Miami Central Edison High School. Then, boy was
stacked back then.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Black.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I ain't hear none of them players. I ain't hear
none of them name. But y'all name all the guys
that you name played in the.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm just I'm just telling the quality that my school had.
We had good quality.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We had good So what happened to the win?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
What the quality? Tell me? The quality wins?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I know y'all had quality players wins.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Now, I just don't remember the records from back then.
That's a very long time ago.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
You know your record were, y'all fourteen and one, fifteen
to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Two know we weren't able to state.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Y'all lost in the state championship. Y'all lost in the
semifinals quarterfinals.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Damn, I can't remember, but I did score. For what
I can tell you is I scored four touchdowns in
one game. And nobody nobody's done that. Nobody scored four
touchdowns in one game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Did y'all win that game.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yes, yes, matter of fact, we almost beat Miami Northwestern
the year they won state. One of the greatest, one
of the greatest high school receivers. I saw with my
own eyes, Marvin Snoop Minis out of the Scott Projects
that played for Florida State, played with Kansas City for
a little bit before you got hurt. I've never seen
nothing like Snoop Minutes boring high school. Uh oh my, oh, y'all,
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what am I supposed to do? We almost beat the
team that won the state. I'm just trying to I'm
just trying to relive my story of high school.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm just sharing that story. So if we're talking football,
it's taking me down, membery Lane, Can we talk about
the young bulls that's going into the NFL that got
an opportunity to start at the highest level and it
just brought me back to where it all started. That's all.
I'm just sharing my feelings in my story. That's all.
My bad man.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh man, it sucks, it sucks being you, Oh Jo,
it sucks being oh You want to be young so
bad to go back out there with you.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I do I'm doing because listen, I'm really not old
like I. It kind of it makes me upset and
it kind of bothers me when people call me unk
and I think about it, well while you calling me
unk and I look younger than you sometimes, like you know,
you know, it's like what you mean, uncle, But let
me look at you where you look fifty? You look sixty,
you know, because you're you're drinking your life away and
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you're smoking and all that. But my body feel good.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Huh. Give me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I ain't never been hurt. I don't have no injuries.
I take care of myself.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, you go back out there, you will be hurt.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You think, so, I think?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I think I have the the the self awareness and
the IQ to be able to protect myself if given
the opportunity to play at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You think, so, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I might not have the speed. I still have my
my my ladder movement, my quick ain't the same. But
even if it's not the same, it's still better than
what's out there.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
No think so mm hmm, you done lost too much
of it, you Spidey, since it don't take it anymore
because they ain't been on, you ain't turned them on
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It's like a car.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You would have the baddest car you could have a
bugatt It pays six million dollars for it.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But don't let it run.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Put it in, put it in your garage, and don't
cut it on for twelve years, fourteen years, fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, be right? You think it go crank?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, it should, it should.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
No, it won't.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And then and then you're gonna have to then you
have to go take it to the shop, get all
the fluids flushed. Oh man, you gotta realize, don't you.
You you haven't run like that?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, like that like you used to run in
a vent.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
You right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I think there's a greater chance that you will hurt something.
Then you go out there and look like your.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Old self able to chat on my head. Boy, they
called you all kind of names, Chad hurts, Chad leef yah,
Chad bledsoe, Chad to beato.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno Smith. I'm scene
gesture as he defended his quarterback. He said, did you
see the sign? Did you see what the sign said?
Next question, well, we know what the sign said, bigger
buss Gino or JaMarcus Russell with Gino and Max Crosby
over reacting.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Hey, I mean I would that's a tough one. I
wouldn't say overreacted. Boom, you're talking trashing me. You gotta
sign right in my face all I've done for you.
I'm back here in Seattle, and that's what you think
of me. I laid my life on the line. Is
your quarterback number one for a couple of years? You
know things didn't workout, and that's how you think of me.
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I'm coming back. I'm coming back with grace.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I did everything I could for you as a Seahawk,
and that's how you feel now you feel I'm a
bus What do we talk about? Huh? If anything, you
should be applauding me.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Clap for me.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I know as a quarterback number one, you hold me
to a standards is in comparison to some of the greats.
I wasn't Tom Brady, I wasn't Payton Manning. But I've
done all I could and laid it on the line
for you week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Twelve What Look, it's not even it's not even close
to being true. Now, if Gino Smith was Ryan Leaf. Okay,
we have a conversation. I mean him or JaMarcus.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Don't do that as a fan, Like, come on, man,
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Who's comeback player of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Uh. He threw a career high thirty touchdown lead the
league and completion percentage and earn back to back Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So, by no stretch of their imagination, is Jenal Smith
a bus No?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
No, But I mean listen, fans do certain things and
get that fun of your skin. Yeah, you know, you
leave a situation most of the time and you come back.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Some people.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Let their true feelings show on how they really feel
about you. Now, I understand your look. You might be
to the Seahawks, but all I've done. This is how
you really feel about me truthfully now that I'm not here. Yes, like,
come on, man, don't do don't do me like that?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yes, don't do me like that.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
You mean I dated you for for for four, five, six,
six years and now that I'm going wait, this is
how you truly feel about me now that I'm no
longer around because I'm that hurts that sting. I can
understand where the middle finger came from. I understand, Like,
what are we talking about? I sacrificed you to make
(45:10):
you happy. On Sundays at one o'clock, I was throwing
touchdown the DK and ty to locket to make you happy.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
A lot of players played for teammates, respect, coaches, trust, fans, appreciation.
Mm hmm. I guess you didn't appreciate me as much
as I thought you did. Like that, So it does
hurt when you put it what you when you put
what you put into it. Lebron might not ever meant this,
(45:47):
but it hurt him going back to Cleveland considering what
he gave him. M yere he left, But Bro, I
did let it on the line for you. I gave
you seven great years, did all I could, and then
you burn my jersey. You say all these things about
Geno's like.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I resurrected my career in Seattle. All I wanted was
to be appreciated. I know my teammates respected me. I
know my coaches trusted me. Does when you put when
you put a lot into something. Uh Granty used to
(46:35):
say all the time, Boy, I hate an ungrateful person.
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
That irks me too. That irks me too, I hate ungratefulness.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Mhm. We see out of the best. Sometimes you better
be careful what you wish for. You thought you, I
guess you that like uh you that like uh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Gino, Well, ain't no, ain't no, ain't no thing that
you're getting. What's this came from Minnesota? What's the guy
donald samn?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Donald? Ain't no guarantee mm hmm. He ain't got the
weapons that he had in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, he ain't got no Jedle, he ain't got no Addison,
he ain't got Howkinson, he ain't got Aaron Jones. He
ain't got Kevin o'callor calling plays. And we saw we
saw the last two games, right, did you see the
last two games? Ohjo, what was the craziest sign you
saw as a player?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Man, that's a good one. On that's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. I enjoy those environments too,
I oh my goodness. Though, the craziest sign probably the
(48:15):
old the old oo, instead of probably stinko. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
most of the time. And then it's so funny. They
would have their signs, they would have their signs, and
I would talk trash back and walk up to the stands.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
One of their signs. Didn't you sign?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Somebody sign always yeah, we always stand the sign and listen,
and they always say the same thing, listen, we do
this because we love you. It has nothing for the
wrong team. But you want our favorites. And everybody say
the same thing. They don't really mean it, but they
don't have a choice but to go against me.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
If you really did suck, nobody says the guy that
they're getting in the game, you suck.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
If all of the players that's really good, that sucks,
which means you don't you don't actually up. That means
you're very very good. Ain't nobody doing Tom Brady's backup
theying Brady?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah they're not. Boy, they're not boring to Peyton Man,
the guy that.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I guarantee you if if the quarterback, I mean, look,
they're gonna blue the polling team. But the loudies boo.
Let's just say Tom Brady wasn't first, he was third. Right,
they're gonna be looking for Brady because they want to
boo him.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
You boo. Greatness, Hey about it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I love playing in hostile environments. I love love I
couldn't listen playing at home and cool. That's fun. Yeah,
I like people cursing and talking trash and all that.
That was just I was so comfortable being uncomfortable and hostile.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Well, y'all, y'all rival y'all rival was was Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Because remember with Sam why you got on the phones
and says, don't throw batteries.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
You live in Cincinnati, you don't live in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Right, yeah, you got that.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
That was that was you guys, because you're both in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, yeah, o Ohio.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Right, so it's uh uh, it's a it's a natural
it's a natural rivalry.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I mean, look, there was no love lost in it.
Before they renamed it the a f C North, it
was the AFC Central, right, I think it was still
the af C Central when you got in. They changed
it like in O two they went to the for
the eight the eight U the four team divisions. Because
it used to be Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, uh, Baltimore, Tennessee
(50:52):
and Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
We were all in one division, don't joe mm hmm.
We all we were all in one division.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
And then they you know, they split it up and
then they took Jacksonville in Tennessee and put them in
the South, you know. Uh, we used to be in Seattle,
used to be in the AFC West. Then they went
to the NFC West. But it states the Chargers the
Raiders us in Kansas City. But uh, like when you
(51:22):
got like the the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders,
and and it was our biggest rivals because we came in.
They came in like the AFL together the Chiefs. But
it's different player. It's definitely different playing on the road
than at home. You feel it as you're driving in.
Everybody's already tailgating. And you know what I'm saying, Oh Joe,
(51:45):
they already tailgating and they do it. They throw in
the football, they got, they drinking beer already.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Like how the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock
in the morning. Yeah, but they you know, they getting
their things, They getting their big grilling.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Cleveland, Cleveland fans, I will give them credit.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Or as little as they've won in the last thirty
plus years, them mofos show.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Up every I ain't look, I can understand what Joe had.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
They went to the MC championship game or they went
to the Super Bowl, and even if they lost, but
the way they show up for their team to not
win more than what they do. I ain't seen nothing
like it. Ain't no way I'm gonna go sit that
there in Nicole. Let alone get up and tailgate. That's
going four and four and thirteen, four and twelve.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh no, listen, I had I had a special relationship
with those Cleveland fans, especially Big Dog. I'm not sure
what Big Dog is at this point. Every time I
do I'm on here, we talk about Cleveland. I always
curious how Big Dog is doing. Everyone that's sat in that.
I think that might be the North the North end zone.
They showed such love in a hostile way, and I
(53:06):
made sure to show that love back, even though obviously
they're they're they're the opposing fans. But I've always showed
them respect. They've always showed me respect, and they knew
understood when it was game time. Unk. When it's game time, man,
forget you. We're gonna we're gonna have some fun. And
I remember I remember getting permissioned. I think I might
be the only person that's done that and been accepting
of that. Is when I did. I leaped in the
(53:27):
dog pound. Remember remember when I jumped in the Dog Pound.
So I asked, I asked Big Dog before the game started,
I said, listen, if I happened to score on this end,
I want to jump to you. No disrespect, but let
me jump to you. And he said, yeah, well come on.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And do it.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
And longold one person right, yeah yeah, big Dog, yeah,
one part of the big big Man big Man people in.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Listen, I scored on that and I looked for him
and I saw him. I jumped right to him. Everybody
else around, man, I smelled like being a hold the
rest of the game.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
He did, and did they shove your ass out the club?
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Let me right out the club. But listen, that was
That was a great moment for me. Man, that was
a great moment.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
You you wire for that one.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It was.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
It was awesome. It was awesome. Mm hmmmm mm hmmmm
mm hmmm
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Hm
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