September 9, 2025 • 59 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the BEST highlights of NFL Week 1 on Nightcap! The guys react to Micah Parsons making a DOMINANT debut with the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers looking like his vintage MVP self from a decade ago and much more!
0:00 - Dolphins looked HORRIBLE vs Colts10:07 - Lions Disappoint VS Packers20:34 - Commanders DOMINATE Giants33:58 - Aaron Rodgers revenge game vs Jets45:39 - Vikings COMEBACK on Bears
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Speaking of all four offensive performances. The coach beat the
Dolphins thirty three to eight to a completed fourteen or
twenty three one hundred and fourteen yards and a touchdown,
but through two interceptions, lost to fumble, his second multi
turnover game in its past three starts. To a QB
of rating was I was passer rating with fifty one
(00:25):
point seven, with the low fores his career in a
game that he did not leave early. Today marked the
fewest passing yards in such a game since Week eighteen
of twenty twenty one. O Jo, he looked awful.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I watched the game I had I had. I
had the had the Dolphin. I had the Dolphins game
on nice and big up there in the sportsbook, and
I expected more. I expected more. I expected more from
the Dolphins in general. I see the direction in which
they are going going young, letting a Jalen Ramsey go
(00:59):
obviously Mega Figa Meana Fitzpatrick being there being being a
lone veteran back there in that secondary. That's we got
to do something. We got to do something at the
quarterback position and finding a way where we can have
some type of consistency you give us a chance. Oh,
give us a consistency. To give us a chance, We'll
(01:20):
go ohen sixteen, oh, seventeen, how many games it is, seventeen,
We'll go, oh in seventeen. Man, playing like we played today.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh yeah, and hold on, let me, I'm trying to
find this well, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Was terrible. I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad.
And I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked.
I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They had they had the thing up there and they
said Daniel Jones looked like Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson
looked like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Man, y'all be there with her. Oh here it is
right here on y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean, I think it was the first time they
had scored on three consecutive of possessions since Peyton Manning
in two thousand and six. Yeah, man, okay, so yeah,
they started, they started, or they started the game. Oh,
they scored, they kicked the field goal, they scored a touchdown,
scored the touchdown, kick the field goal, scored a touch
of kicked another field goal.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, dangn hold on. So they got one, two, three, four, five, six.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
They scored on six of their their first six possessions.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, yeah, and then listen.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
To a look will look bad on Joe, and then
and then then and then and and and Reek was frustrated. Yeah,
he's like, it's tough, man, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But listen, we're doing over unders. You think you think
if things continue to go.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Like this, We already had this conversation this summer. You
told me they would trade Reek a right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Look, if to go like this, being that they're they're
they're going, they're going younger as you can see, letting
Jalen go, They're resetting, they're rebuilding there. There could be
a chance there are many many suitors that can use
Tyreek manutes still one of the best in the game.
Don't don't, don't be fool because things aren't going right
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collectively as a cohesive offense over there and with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Chad, y'all remember being Oo had this conversation and he
laughed at me and loved talked about but what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, because I expected them to look completely different as
opposed to what I saw today. Now, you there's a
chance they can bounce back. There's a chance that can
bounce back after today's performance, because that was Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They don't look good defensively though.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Our identity was never our defense anyway, it was all.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, So Offens, you got sacked three times, you threw
two pigs and your fumble, So what's your identity?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
He probably got bags of your face because you don't
want nobody to know who you are.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Mm hmmm, Hey, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
All you can do, all you can do. Go back
to the drawing table. You going that Monday, you watch film,
You take Tuesday off, go hit the cold tub, hit
the hot tub, and you get back to rook Wednesday.
But who the Dolphins got, because I'm sure whoever the
next game is is a winnable game.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know who they got?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Chat who who the Dolphins got?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Next? His QB rating was two point seven.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
God damn, yeah, that's real.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That ain't even good. That's a good GPA. I mean
that's a c. Yeah, we got to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You do realize, Hey, Hal landra had two and a
half sacks today. I don't know they might get y'all.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Now we're good. Listen to is the Raider just beat
the past the day the Raiding beat the Passa the
day Gino was out there goddamn dealing. And if we're
going to have a rebound game to get that bad
taste of our mouth against the Coats, a game that
obviously you would think we should have won because Danny
Dines was dealing today. He was dealing. Jonathan Taylor was
doing this thing as well. I think we beat the Patriots.
(05:21):
You beat the Patriots and all they playing in Miami. Yes,
oh man, we got this, we got this.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Were good, We're good, y'all not good? Oyo, you guess
we won? It's we won.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't care if y'all played like this in week ten?
Y'all look bad? Did you look bad?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah? We look bad? Look bad. I'm just being honest.
But you know this NFL. Now you know what you know?
How week you look bad, the next week, Well, where
the hell does come from? It happens, It's possible.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's ideals, But I think the thing is that's concerning
for me.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
O Joe Is.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Your quarterback has to play well. He has to stay healthy.
And it's like it's like now, o Jo, anytime he
gets hit the ball come out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah you know, o Jo, he got the ball out here.
You got to have that ball. You got to have
two hands on that ball, just in king because you
can't see everything around you. Anytime you in that pocket,
you got to be here.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You got to be.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That clock, that time, that clock, that clock has to
go off on your head and understanding people rushing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Daniel Jones was twenty two or twenty nine, two seventy
two and a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And that's nasty work right there. That's good work too.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yes, good work.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And that's look something we don't need some We don't
need you to We don't need you to be.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
John Elway of Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Just don't just don't turn it over rights it just
give it. Just give us a chance. Give us a chance.
That's all we ask of you. Give us a chance.
If you give them a chance. They got their defense
is good. Yeah, you know they got frank uh, they
got some guys over there.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But damn dolphins, don't worry about it. Fans up baby
finds up We're good. We're gonna be all right. We're
gonna be all right. What the Broncos look like today?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They won?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They they barely won, but okay, go ahead, boll we
put that thing on the Tights.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Barely won.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah mhm you concerned for your Dolphins? Hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
After what I win is today?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You just told me chat this man just told me
is one game.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's one game. But I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm
trying to be optimistic. We cannot have that type of show,
and there has to be some type of promise when
you watch a game. We watch NFL game for four quarters,
you got to see something. Okay, you know what? That was,
something good that we can build off of. This is
the area we need to work on. We need to
work on every goddamn area.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Everything we need to work on.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
All three fits the game off, defense.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Locking, tackling, running, throwing. Other than that, y'all pretty good.
Oh yoe hey, y'all, Let Indiana Jones do a number
on y'all.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They got, y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Got that, y'all got the y'all got the people calling
that man Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yea, hey, hey, Danny dime dy listen, Danny dys No.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Hell, he ain't Danna Daves, nom Joe. They called him
Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, I got you. I take that what.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They gave us a man of nickname.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
After one game, Danny Manning said, oh my goodness, he
was out there dealing. I'm gonna be honest with you.
He was at the dealing. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
He did a number on y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
O yoe uh and he had two I mean he
threw for Holdo Jones had a touchdown. He rushed for
two touchdowns. The coach scored on all seven of their
offensive possession in today's victory, becoming the first team since
at least nineteen seventy eight to score on every offense
possession in a game.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's what Indiana Jones did to y'all.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A defense we need, we need.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That don't make me sad. Don't make me sad, because
I've been in good spirits. The Bengals won, and I'm hoping.
I'm hoping. Matter of fact, I tell you, I'll tell
you what if the Dolphins lose to the Patriots this
next upcoming week, my allegiance to them. I can't do
(09:42):
it no more. Can be done. I'm done. I'm done
because I've been listening. I've been going through this since
nineteen eighty four. Nineteen eighty four, when I understood that
I'm from Miami. Yes, my home team is the Miami Dolphins.
I been and things ain't been right since. Okay, Well,
(10:03):
god damn man.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, y'all look bad? O yo, y'all. The Packers beat
the Lions twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
George Loved threw a pair of touchdowns, and Michael Parson
had a sack of it his Green Bay debut. The
Packers delivered an exceptional defensive performance. After getting outscored ninety
nine to forty in the first half of the NFC
North Games last year, the Packers got points on their
opening three posentsions. O Joe, you like the Packers to
be favored in the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now man hack here? Yeah, boy? You see them boys
to day. Boy, you see Dan Jordan Love dealing Molden
Nicks dogs. Yeah, read mate, John Jacobs. John Jacob was
trying to, you know, get loose a little bit. You know,
you weren't able to go crazy defensively. The Packers look
good too, you know they can They contain Jamir Gibbs
(10:55):
didn't have a huge game. They contained Montgomery didn't have
a huge game. But I see a team, especially from
offrom the standpoint, like the Detroit Lions, they gonna be alright,
they gonna be alright. But what I'm seeing from the
Packers this early in the season is phenomenal. Jordan Love
was wheeling and dealing all game loan, all game loan.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
They didn't have a ton of plays.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
No, I mean they had I mean forty five actual plays,
so they might have had fifty total plays.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And if you count the penalty stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oho, when you look at Jordan Love with sixteen to
twenty two eight two touchdowns, they only had twenty five
rusher tip for seventy eight yards. The Packers did a
tremendous job getting off to Jered Goff. He's not mobile,
so we know where he's gonna be right there. He
ain't going nowhere. I'm gonna be right there.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So they didn't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Montgomery couldn't get anything going. Gibbs couldn't get anything going.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Gibbs had ten receptions for thirty one yards along of seven.
That's not what you use your you need you need
arm and Rad, you need Jamison, you need j MO.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
They need their their.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
J MO to stretch the field, arm and Rad to
to keep the chains moving. And then we'll screen past you.
We'll swing it to one of the backs, out of
the backfield laport. They need to get more out of here,
but they did. Green Bay was swarming today. They got
they got after today. Rashaun Gary, you talk, We had
him on the showho I'm having a big year where
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he got somebody that you're gonna send the double at him.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So he's gonna get a lot of one on one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Absolutely, And everybody don't got tackles like like sul And
and and I think, who's the other tackle over there?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I forgot who's on the left side.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Is it Decker the starting left tacking for Detroit? Taylor
the Taylor Decker. Yeah, everybody don't got tackles like that.
And then you got those guys, you got what they
(13:08):
can bring pressure from a lot of different areas.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Van Nere's Wyatt.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And look good and you know what you think you
talk about all the things that we used to see
in Detroit. Doing the Detroit offense is so explosive because
they're able to establish the run, be able to stablish run,
but not being able to establish the run to day
and get those chunk plays six seven yards here having
them forcing forcing Detroit to maybe have to I mean
(13:39):
forcing the package, maybe have to drop the SATs down
in the box.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, for a little help.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So it eliminates everything else you want to do on
the back end because you can't get nothing going on
the front end.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you need to establish the run, oh joe, for
the simple fact, I don't have a mobile quarterback, right,
don't have a mobile quarterback. So if the play breakdown.
See here's the thing, a lot of these quarterbacks you
need now moving moving forward, what you're starting to see,
you need guys at the quarterback position and get our script.
So if I if I call something, even if I
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don't call the perfect play, he can get me out
of that play with his legs. He can get me
out of there and buy me time. Because a lot
of times can a guy get off sheet? Can a
guy get away from the play that you call and
make something out of it? So if I just give
you this ingredients, can you make something tasty with the
ingredients and I gave you or Ken, you just like man,
(14:31):
I don't worry about this. I got something better. That's
not what Jerry Godfield. We know who and what Jerry Godfield.
He can throw them all over, Joe, but he ain't
making no plays.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That's our script.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, listen, there are a handful of quarterbacks on
where a coach can call it play and he sees
something completely different and he can make out of nothing. Yes,
call the right defense, but damn now we're stuck. Use
my legs making something out of nothing. There are very
(15:04):
few that can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
True.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Detroit's offense failed to score touchdown through three quarters, which
hadn't happened since twenty twenty three Week seven at Baltimore,
and that was my concern though. Joe, Okay, you got
the same guys, but they're not Ben Johnson, the guy
that's calling plays now, he didn't go audition for a
head coaching job. He's never been He's never auditioned, he's
never been a head coaching before. He's never been an
offensive coordinator before. So you're asking someone, you put someone
(15:32):
in a position. And I'm not saying that he can't
be good or he won't be good in the future,
but I'm saying it's gonna you gotta have some growing pains.
I mean, I've never seen a kid be able to
just all of a sudden grow from walking. I mean,
go from calling to walking without falling and busting his
butt or her butt or hitting his head on something.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's just the part. That's just the part of walking. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So a part of calling plays when you've never done
it is to go through trial and error, to go
through growing pains. And they're gonna have some of these
in Detroit, Ojo, they are you lost both you both
your d C and your o C. It's gonna be
some growing pains. It's gonna be some growing pains. And uh,
(16:14):
do I think they'll figure it out?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, I do. I think that. I think they'll figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But uh, it's not gonna be as smooth and as
seamless as if as it has been the last couple
of years, that's for sure. But uh, but I thought
Green Bay defensively, defensively, that's what loo because I agree
with you, Joe.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They can run the football.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
They got Look, they got receivers, and I don't look
at any of these guys that, oh man, I'm just
I ain't looking at none of these guys like I
look at.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
A Chase like I look at a Jetta. They can
hurt you, they can.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And there is one if, if if he's all that
he's been advertised by in Matthew Golden, he's supposed to
be similar to that, which is why they got him
in the in the in the first round four to
two guy. We weren't able to see that for to today.
He did make some plays, but I'm excited to see
what they do with him going forward. And Jayden Reid
nice things, all nice.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What scares your bottom mojo is that because from week
to week you don't know see you set your game plan.
You're like, Okay, we gotta take this guy away. We
gotta take Chase away, we gotta take Jeed away, we
gotta take CD away. There are certain guys you go
into the game who you trying to take away.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You don't, you never don't.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You never do him week the week, it varies with them.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
We get God, there's not a whole lot of difference
between Dobbs read wis ain't a whole lot of difference,
o't yoe. They're all about this out for you know,
uh and then, uh, Christian, he's not there. He's your
speed merchant. He just can't stay healthy. He's phenomenal. I
like him a lot, but he just can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He he won't be back up until later in the
season now, I mean way way back towards.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And you know he had a when you normally guys
that have that kind of speed didn't normally have they
they bound, they wound tight, so they normally have hamstring issues.
He's battled a lot of hamstring issues. Yes, But I
did like what I saw from green Bay offensively, even
though they didn't do it. They didn't have a whole
lot of plates. Uh, the stats don't jump off at you.
(18:31):
They probably had what two hundred and sixty yards, but
you only gave up thirteen points and they gave up
that on a spectacular catch that got caught the ball
one hand over outstretched. I can live with that. But
green Bay defensively, those guys were hunting today. They were
they were they were hunting. They were hunting today, and
(18:53):
that's what you're gonna need, you know, boy, I'm already
chopping it that the bit.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I want to Week.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Four, wait week for Dallas Dallas and the Packers.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Green Bay and Green Bay Gold. Hey wait, I'm telling
you Dallas, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
They playing in Dallas, playing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Hey, let's go to the game.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We can't. I ain't going to the game. You can go.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I'm asking let's go to the game. So I
mean we can. We can live shooting the whole game.
Me and you sitting there watching the game, chilling in
the and it stands like that's that's that's you know,
no like a live broadcast.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Uncle, nocho live it pack I ain't trying to do
I ain't trying to do five hours of TV.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's just I'm telling you, un Man ash Man told
unk Man.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Uh, it's uh. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I'm sure they got some some stuff drawing up for
him to try to, you know, try to. But Michael
gonna be, Michael gonna be coming. He believes, he believes
there's not anybody on the defensive on the offensive line
that can block it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Absolutely not. Hell, there ain't nobody on any defensive line
that can actually blocking them on any other other thirty
one team.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So he gonna be, he gonna be, he gonna be chomping,
chomping at the bit. I'm excited to see that game.
But they look good today, not just Michaeh, but the
Packers defense in general. Kwi Walker, Wyatt, Sean Gary, all
those guys looked extremely well. They were they were getting
after him, and it's easy to get me. Look, when
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you become one dimensional, that's why everybody wants to try
to establish some resemblance of.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
A run game.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Once you become one dimensional, and those guys like, okay,
we're gonna play the run on the way to the quarterback,
it's a rap. The Commanders beat the Giants twenty one
to six. New York offense did not look competitive with
Russell running it. I was checking back and forth in
this game. It seemed like every time I turned in
he was putting the ball. Russ was pressured on sixteen
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of its forty five dropbacks thirty five percent, and handled
that pressure quite poorly. He was two of twelve twenty
six yards, sacked twice when pressured. New York managed his
two hundred thirty one yards of total off average three
point two yards per rush, stumbled twice into the red zone.
When asked if he would consider starting Jackson Dark, excuse
me Dark next week, dave Ball said, we're going to
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get home and look at our game. When asked if
Wilson would start against the Cowboys, dave Ball was equally noncommittal.
We're talking about after every game. I've I've got confidence
in Russ. We'll go back evaluate the tape. This game
isn't on Russell Wilson. It's not a Russell Wilson. Let's
make that clear. I have confidence in Russ. We have
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to do a better job all the way around. Now,
it was reported that I, like I said, maybe I
didn't stay long enough to see Dark get any snaps.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Did he get any snaps in this game? Oh? Joe,
did you watch?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I had all the games on at one at one
time at the sportsbook, so I'm not sure at what
point where Jackson Dart might have come in. When I
when I was watching, I was watching Russell Wilson. Most
of the time he was running.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
No, you know he didn't come in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Okay, okay, because there were raports that he was supposed
to have a package. They would have a package to
two for Jackson Dark, but Russell Wilson. Russell Willison was
seventeen to thirty seven one sixty eight sack twice under
twenty six quarterback rating, they had twenty They had what
seventy four rush yards on twenty three rush temp go
ahead on Joe No.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I won't say that, goddamn defensive line, but they had
Rush running for his life every time. In fact, even
throw a ball. The passing lanes was going because everybody
in his face. Everybody was in his face most of
the time. Most of the game. Every time I looked up,
I looked at the TV to the left, I.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Was like, but God, damn Russ. Every time I look.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Up, you getting hit, You're getting sacked, You're running for
your life. There's certain things you can't put on the
quarterback regards of who you put in there. You have
Jackson Dart had to deal with that. But what I
saw today, man, shoot, I don't think anything would have
been any different because he would have been running for
his life.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
True, Washington ran the foot fall extremely well today thirty
two rush attempts two hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Obviously, sometimes you know when you played. Obviously when I played,
when Carson would get plays, when players will come in
one play. But he has the freedom to be able
to change the play based on what he sees right,
whether it's a run play, if it's tossed right. But
you know what, you know, let's what we're gonna go,
dive left based on the defense, based on justin based
on what I see with my own eyes. Yeah, I
(23:23):
have the experience. I wonder if Russell has has that
freedom to do so when play comes in, he actually
has to stick exactly what it's called, because based on
the play calling from what I saw today, it's like
it's hindering, it's hear and Russ from being able to
do some of the things that he does well.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I'm not so sure he had that ability. He
probably hadn't had that. I don't know if he ever
had it in Seattle. Maybe later in Seattle. He definitely
didn't have it with Sean Payton, Oh no. And I'm
not so sure he had it last year with Arthur Smith.
So the likely hood of him coming in there and
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having that kind of control now o Cho doesn't seem likely.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
But hey, they just need to play better.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
We're not going to put all this on Russ although
he was less than fifty percent completion percentage, and then
Neighbors it seemed like I don't know what that was about.
What the neighbors and Dave Ball was trying to get
him to go back in the game. He was talking
to him, trying to get but a Neighbors seemed like
he was like, Man, I'm done with this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You frustrated. He frustrated. He frustrated. Listen players like that.
I said this with aj Brown too when Eagles played
having to wait all the way to the third quarter,
nine minutes in the third quarter to even even touch
the ball. You have a player that is special as
Malik Neighbors. You get him the ball early. It don't
have to be nothing crazy. Throw him a little throw
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him a little smoke around, throwing a screen route, give
him reverse, let him feel like he's involved in the
game instead of out there getting all that God damn Cardio.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Get it to him early.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, and you will have him late all whole game.
That's what that's that's what you should do. Uh what
you should do and what they actually do is not
always the case. But you're absolutely right or you're absolutely right,
oh Joe, is that when you're dealing with these uh uh,
the the number one receivers, you got.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
To give them something early in the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean, just ain't nobody asking, you know, to ask
Jordan or to ask Steph Curry, to ask one of
these great players. Look, we don't want you to take
a shot into the third quarter. No, no, just if
you do everything, just just run around out here, step
you just run around off these pigs and do all
this stuff. And we're gonna run you know, hey, all
that we're gonna do. But don't don't take no shot
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to the third quarter. As a matter of fact, we
ain't gonna let you take no shot to the fourth quarter.
And see how that work out. But y'all want the
receivers to get out there and run, and it's like
just run and just run and just run, and they
don't get no action, don't get the ball thrown away.
And then come fourth quarter, Hey here we come, come
to come to do what?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, mentally you're not. It's hard as struggle. It's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So we'll see what happened. They got.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
They got the Cowboys. The Cowboys like, hey, we let
one slip away last week. We ain't about to let
one slip away this week. Cowboys might drop I know
it's a division game on Joe, Yeah, Cowboys might try
to drop fifty.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On the Giants.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Fifty mm hmm, damn, yep, I'm trying to Hey, what
was what was uh neighbors numbers to day?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He had five for seventy one on twelve targets and
that's that's that's that's not bad. Ntil Robinson had uh
sixty fifty five or eight targets.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's not bad.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean it know, look good, look, look a little
slow there at the office. Not not not what you like.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I ain't nobody go crazy at the receiver position, but
say Flowers.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, they was only one they they be killing that slot.
Boy m hm, oh, you'd be killing that slot. And
it's the same route over and over. They either either
that shallow or that deep over.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, because you got to honor it, because they hole,
because Lamar stick it in there. You think Henry, so
you hold just for a second and by the time
you realize that he's already yeah. Yeah, what you think
you think you think there's some there's some trade on
the times with Russ me personally, Oh, Joe, I don't
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think you can. I don't think he's going to start
the whole year. You know, you and I we had
a bed over under eight games. I think it's gonna
be under eight games, and Jackie Dart's gonna be in there,
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I think, honestly, based on what he has around him,
is all gonna come down to his offensive line. If
you give Rush time, you give us time to be
able to process and and allow him to make the
decisions with the ball, I think he's gonna be all
right if they can if they can get a running
game going take some of the pressure off of Russ
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as well, which obviously helps with the past game, I
think they're gonna be all right. But so many different
factors have to have to go right for us to
be able to succeed. Because he's not the Russell Old.
He's not the Russell Wilson with the Seattle Seahawks that
at one point he can make something out of nothing.
As you get older, you need more help from those
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that are around you, and I'm I'm not sure the
New York Giants team is built with the right personnel
where he can be able to succeed like that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of Russ was was outside was
our script? Yes, improvisation. You know, Russ was magician with
the ball pump, faking and and and and flicking the
ball over guys and finding ways. He doesn't have that
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athleticism anymore. Like you said, I think in order for
him to be at his absolute best, things have to
be perfect. And you know the likelihood of things being
perfect more times than not, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So you say eight games, you think, jack.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I think over under
eight games and Jackson dart to be in there. Damn,
I mean, o Joe, I mean you got to think
about it. This is the third team in three years,
because yeah, he went from Broncos to the Steelers, Steelers
to the to the Giants. Don't know, when you start
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bouncing a round like that, o Jo, when you start
bouncing around like that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know how that's on the back and yeah, on
the back and that that that that's what that's what.
No only happens. But obviously he's on one year deals
when he's with the Steelers. When he came in, obviously
he was injured. Just feel sook over which did really
well with Hell when Russell Wilson did get the opportunity
to get back in there after coming back from injury.
He went on a five to six what seven game? Yeah,
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your step seven in the row. And then obviously the
bottom fell out after that. But damn, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And plus plus the thing yells O Joe, they bought
to know the jobs on the line.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
How how does look I draft a guy that I
don't get the coach if So, if I don't play
Jackson Dark, there's a great chance I'm never gonna coach it.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Hell, if you do play Jackson Dart and things don't
go well, hell, you still ain't gonna be able.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
To coach him. But I got I got a year.
I drafted him.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I mean that's like you you you build a house
and get a divorce and the wife living in it.
You ain't even getting live in the house with Joe.
So I just think, I just think the thing is
is that the gonna turn the dark sooner than later?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Probably four or five games, don't you You know, you
look at your division? Uh you see what Philly, You
see what Washington? You see what Dallas is? You look
around the league like man we already we're out of this.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Mh.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
We might go ahead and start building towards the future,
right at some point in time, Joe, I gotta start.
I gotta start hoarding a bottle of water in can tuna.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Doom day is here. I know.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't want the fans out then New York to overreact.
It is week one. I think we're being a little
a little too we jumping the gun a little a
little too much. Joe, Who the Giants got next?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
On Cowboys? Oh? Ship?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh Joe, you do realize they took this man number one.
They took Jackson dark number one, right, what they're taking
one for to start?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And you and you got and you and you got
a jerk.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
What people would consider Russ now is a journaman.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, sir, yeah, obviously, and you know, you know what
with with that journeyman, we talked about the super Bowl
winning journeyman who has good experience, who has good success
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Jo flacoh won a Super Bowl and what's super Bowl MVP?
How do people look at it?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Journeyman? Okay, but again, Russell Wilson is starting for a reason.
What better person for Jackson? Dart to sit behind and
learn the game from then someone has already accomplished what
he has. I could be wrong, or you can throw
caution to win and throw Jackson Doughter out there to
the sharks and what what what? What normally happens to
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young quarterback and you throw them out there to the
sharks and they don't play well and they start losing confidence?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
All right, Well if the guys, I mean, it's tough
because I and and that's why I think it's gonna be.
I don't think it'll be in the next couple of weeks,
but I think by week six, week seven, you kind
of no right and you got it. You We just
got to move forward.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And once we make once we make this decision on Joe,
it ain't no turning back.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Turning back. Once you do that, ain't no turning back.
But that's that's why I say it wouldn't happen that
that soon. It wouldn't happen that soon because once they
do make that decision, Jackson Dart is the quarterback for
the for severe future unless things just completely don't pan out,
simlar to that of Daniel Jones. O.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Joe, you have been on a road trip.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Look here, okay, Now I'm gonna drive, and once I drive,
I ain't I ain't stopping, right, So once we gas up,
get everything you need to get water, get your get
your get your you know, get your goodies, whatever, the bathroom,
all that, because what a I ain't stopping, Oh joe.
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The Steelers went on the road beat the Jets thirty
four to thirty two. Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes.
If I'm not mistaken, it's his first game with four
touchdown passes and no interceptions since twenty twenty one. Aaron
Rodgers threw four touchdown passes in his Steelers debut. Rogers
after the game, they were probably people in the organization
that didn't think I could play anymore. So it was
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nice to remind those people that I still can. I'm
just happy to be Everybody associated with the Jets, were
you surprised? How will Aaron Rodgers look today?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Well?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I wasn't surprised, obviously, based on the team he's at,
where he is, what he has to work with. Offensively,
the Steelers, obviously, their identity is their defense. Even though
they looked okay, because the goddamn justs and Justin Fields.
They were playing some ball today. Boy, Yes, hey, Justin
Fields and the boy been playing some ball today. But
I'm happy for Aaron had DK metcalf. They had very
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very very good chemistry, very good chemistry. He could you
he caught some good balls. And outside of that, I mean,
they look really good. And this is what I really
expected for the Steelers to have a quarterback that is
for a time MVP super Bowl winning quarterback and putting
putting the right pieces around him, and all he has
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to do is dou ask of them and don't turn
the ball over. Just don't turn the ball over, and
you will always have a chance. And that's that's exactly
what they had to thay, that's exactly what they had
to take. Let defense take care everything.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And again what happened, it was a turnover hum with
the fumble. Hey, look, we know Aaron Rodgers can have
games like this. He looked like the old Aaron Rodgers,
not an old Aaron Rodgers. The old Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers
twenty two thirty two, forty four four touchdowns, just got
after him a little bit, got him sacked in four times,
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did a great job of neutralizing the run. Only fifty
yards on twenty carries. Then you go to the other
side justin fields looked really look played really well today,
sixteen to twenty two to eighteen one touchdowns, they had
one hundred and eighty two rushing. Yeah, but when you
get a situation like that, you got to killing that
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with a sledgehammer. Yes, you can't leave a team with
these type quarterbacks. You can't let them hang around on Joe.
They'll find a way to.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Beat you every time.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
When you get a team down and they got a
great quarterback on that side of the football, rogers can
still beat you.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Josh Allen can beat you. Of the homes.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
These guys they can beat you. You better put them
away when you get a chance. But if you leave
them hanging around on Joe.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, But the funny thing about it, when teams get
in the situation where you can kill a ant with
a sledge hammer, everything gets conservative. They call it gets
conservative because now I don't want to be responsible for
the loss, as opposed to let's keep our footing a
pedal and just kill him right away. But no, every time,
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on every single time, which is why I tweeted what
I tweeted tonight while the Ravens and Bills are playing.
Every time listen, it looks like a blowout. But for
some reason, in every football game, the play calling mistakes,
they get conservative things happen, fumbles, interception, and for some
reason the game always ends closer than what it should be.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
You know, you turn the ball over, you give the
packers a short feel, and the next thing you know,
the game is is boom, boom boom.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Give a Jalen Ramsey credit. He got it.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You can't go lo jailing now. You can't take out
the lead blocker by taking out his knees. They won't
allow you to do that. On the defenside of football.
You used to could, but you can't do that anymore.
But he says, Okay, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I make up for it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
He did.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I make up for it. He dropped the ham on
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I think the thing is, you got to you gotta
know that guy's with because what are they trying not
to do? Let you out of bounds. So if they're
not gonna let you out of bounds, what does that mean?
Somebody is close to.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
The sidelines, the sidelines and keeping everything inside.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And so now her rams see him.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
He let me get some bow barbecue sauce because I'm
gonna put some sauce on the Rebso.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That was it. That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That was a text That was a textbook tackle too,
now textbook. Uh, that was teach tape, teaching tape on
how to tackle and not getting no flag. That was nice.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That was that was That was an unbelievable play by
an unbelievable player. But I thought, I thought justin Field
showed great poise. Uh, did a great job. He's only
sacked once. Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
The tackle got beat really bad. He got beat really
really quick.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And I think because I thought they had something on
that play looking at it, they had they had something.
If the court if the tackle doesn't get beat so quick,
hot Smith beats him clean and and feels really doesn't
even get a chance, really gets a chance to do
much of anything. But I was impressed with Rogers. Now
I didn't know. I'm not finish, sit here and tell
you I saw four touchdowns and no turnovers twenty two
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or thirty. No. I knew they were gonna try to run,
to try to establish the run. But that's why you
got a guy like Rogers, Because if we can't run it,
we feel comfortable if we can protect him. He can
make plays. He can still make plays off his back foot.
He still can roll out in the pocket and throw
with pinpoint accuracy. He still has those capabilities. He's not
as elusive as he once was. Hey, we're not the
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same people that at twenty. At thirty we're wor twenty five,
We're not the same people at thirty five, we're wor
a thirty Rogers what forty forty one years of age.
He's definitely not the same person athletics, athletically, athletically as he.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Was in his thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
But his arm, his ability to change armslots a bit.
I need to move on the run throwing the run now,
he don't have the foot speedy once dead. Oh Joe,
he's not gonna really beat you like he once could
with his legs. But his arm is still dangerous. Yeah,
his arm is still very, very dangerous, very much. I
didn't see the four touchdowns if somebody would have told me,
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because I see two forty four. Yeah, but I don't
think either team is really happy. One team gave up
thirty four the other team gave up thirty two. Now
if he if I give up thirty two and I win,
I'm happy.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
But there are some concerning things that I saw, but.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I thought, But if I think, if you're Mike Tomlin,
you're like, okay, I think we found our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
And you look at the receivers. You look at DK
doing what he did.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You look at Calvin Austin the third fry Muth had
a big play scronic catchups that he's normally a special
team's maybe came from I think he was at the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's where I remember him from.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't know if he was came from there last
year a couple of years ago, but I remember him
at the Rams a special team. Mabn caught a touchdown
recover the fumble. But I like, I like what I
saw from the Jets. There are some positives, absolutely, there
are some positives that you can take out of this.
You're just like, man, we had it. But you give
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up seventeen points, just like the Ravens gave up twenty
two points. You gave up seventeen points in the fourth quarter.
You can't You're not gonna win. You're not gonna win.
Very many games given up that that kind of in
the fourth quarter. But the Steelers, the Steelers, the Steelers
play well. Look, Steelers are one and oh in that division.
Cincinnati is one and oh, and you got Cleveland Baltimore
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at the bottom of the division at both oh and one.
It's early one game of the season. One game does
not make a season win, lose, or draw. But I
definitely like teaching after a win than I do a loss. Yes,
now I might have your undivided attention more so after
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loss than a win, But I like teaching after win.
So Stevens, what you're thinking, how many ways? Ten eleven
stealers twelve?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, that's a good one, just off the off the
quarterback alone, if you can be consistent and not turn
them all over and show us vented signs of old
Aaron Rodgers, old Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, could
they could win win more than that, especially if the
defense carries in because the defense is our identity. Now
the defense is their identity. I got them winning more
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than ten easily.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, I'm saying, if it all comes down on your quarterback,
if the league look at the landscape of the league,
of the team that are always successful year in and
year out. What's the competent nominated on what each one
of those teams have. They have a competent quarterback that
puts them in the best situations to win weekend and
week out. And that's something that the Steelers have now,
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which is why Tomlin had no problem going to get
Aaron Rodgers. Wait, look, we don't need it to be
Aaron Rodgers down there and got damn Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We don't need that.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
If we can give flashes of brilliance every so often
and you do what we ask of you and don't
turn the ball over, we can hand it all from
time to time to take them the pressure off of you.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
DK.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Make the plays. Calvin Austin the third, you make your plays,
fire Mouth how you said his last name prior? Yeah,
make your plays. We're gonna be fine. Let the defense
do all the heavy lifting.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, I mean, I liked what I saw with DK.
It did a great job of getting the ball in
his hands. He dropped one early, and then he came
back and made two spectacular plays. Turned on the after
burners like they got out down the sideline. I saw
Calvin Austin catch a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
He played.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
He played well today friar Mouth. When given an opportunity,
he did what he does. Uh scronic they slept on him,
had to run the over rot. You know, Rogers liked
to throw the up all outside the pocket. Yeah, they're like,
they don't have a problem putting them on the move.
He does a great job because if you roll him
to the left, he can open his hips up.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
And still get the completion.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
A lot of right A lot of the right handed
quarterbacks are left handed quarterbacks that have to roll right,
or right handed quarterback that got to roll left. It's
awful lot to throw on the move because you got
to open your hips up, especially if it's not like
a comeback.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
With a guy. You know, you you rolling that way
and you just throw it.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
But sometimes you got to open your hips, and I
think Rogers does that as good as anybody that's ever
ever played the game. I like what I saw from
the Pittsburgh Steels. I like what I saw from the Steelers.
I like justin Fields. I like what I saw today.
I can if I'm ag I've gone and say, son A,
I know you disappointed that we didn't win, but there's
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no question in my mind.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You showed a lot of improvement, You showed a lot
of growth. Today.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
We can win a lot with you playing like you
played today, Son, we can win a lot of football games.
We can win a lot of football games. So Steelers
go to one and oh just fall to oh and
one thirty four thirty two. You know, Rogers had something
to prove. You know, ay, hey, you didn't want me,
you didn't play, say I want to be everybody that's associated.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
You know, he gave it a little bit of he
he like, hey, y'all got somethun me.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Walking off the field to day, he would thanks walking
next to Cam hey with He's like, y'all, y'all, y'all
got some funny y'all.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Look y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all look uh so.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
But like I said, I think the Jets that division
it's Buffalo's Yeah, it's Buffalo. Miami looked horrible on both
sides of the ball.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
O Joe, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
They look horrible. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't
do that. No, they did that. I didn't do nothing.
I did I bet man Middalo.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I I was speechless o Jose, Minnesota was just going around.
I'm like, how long justin Jefferson before he throw it?
Helbed up in the stands because not targeting. JJ threw
a horrible pick, you know, horrible pick six. You know
that deep out if you late and inside. He got
a reservation for six Indians on and next thing you know,
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Minnesota has seized control of this ball game. I'm almost
certain the Chicago Bears spent ninety four million dollars, excuse me,
on the offensive lineman. They got a new center, they
got a new left guard, they got a new right tackle.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Oh Troe.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I couldn't tell no, Caleb Wiiver was running for his life.
If Caleb Williams is not as if Caleb wings with
Jared Goff he sacked ten times tonight, easily, he's running
for his life. But I was like, hold on, I
thought you and I both because we talked about this, said,
oh Jo. They moved the offensive line, They got Roma Doonsay,
they got a DJ Moore, they got the kills, they
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get drafted, the tight got another tight end, they got
Cole Comment. Defense seemed to be flying around, and they
got Ben Johnson calling plays D eight. If the Dennis
Allen is the new DC. I said, I like Chicago
renapped offensive line.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh joe.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
The offensive line looked the same, if not worse than
what it did last Give Minnesota credit. I happen to
give JJ McCarthy a lot of credit. He's a theoretically
he's not a rookie, but last year got hurt in
his rookie season. But this is like his rookie season
to call pick a pick six on the road and
not and not get down, O joe, and to come
back and throw two touchdown and to win this game
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in your first start.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Give JJ McCarthy some credit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Absolutely, Listen watching this game, I really thought I was
I thought at some point I thought the Beards were
going to run away with this one.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I did too.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Caleb Williams looked like Houdini back there, obviously when being
able to process drop it back when things happened. One
of the few quarterbacks in the NFL that can make
something out of nothing when things break down. He looked good.
Made some very good throws obviously once the pick six happened.
Once the pick six happened, and JJ JJ left that
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out route inside of like you know what, Yeah, at
this point, this one's over.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
This game is over.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Man, JJ camp on pluck. He did kept on plugging,
play here and play there. He also being a dual
threat quarterback being ay both of them, both of them
can move with the ball too.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah for sure, Yeah, both of them move with the ball. Man.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Before you know it, Man, we got a ball game. Baby,
you got a ball.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Uh you're looking at Joe. You thought that out route.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
You got to be early and outside because if you
even if you late, it's going to it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Knocked down at worst. Yeah, no, it'll be knocked down.
At best.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
The worst thing that happened is a pick six going
the other way. But if you late and inside, oh
yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And you you got to have you got to have
an arm. You know, most coaches all the way out,
you got to have an arm. So obviously JJ Musk
got a gun on him for the coaches to be
comfortable with him even throwing that ball. But it's all
about placement. It's all you want to miss far rather
than miss inside.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
You.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Hey, when he catched that ball, Oh, Joe, he out
of bounds. You catch it, you get two feet down,
you out of bounds. Yes, Basically, when you throw that
when that jo a playing that right foot, that ball
need to be in the air because.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
He's running on the now. He's not stopping, so he's
running a speed out out.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, so when he hit, so before he hit, that
ball got to be in there when he speed out
when he ten roll the twelve.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, he gott to drop in his hands.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
When his eyes turned back to look for the ball,
that ball already got to be in the air. Oh
for sure, he got That ball got to already be
in the air. And he got to catch the eye
line of the ball in flight, not watching leaving your
hand because if it's.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Way too late, that got is way too late. And
you see the first of all, the dude playing off. Yeah,
so once he sees now, he ran out and up
he cooked. But you see how hearty, You see how
heart he drove on that ojoe. So he knew, Hey,
once he once he saw a jella put that foot
in the dirt, he goes, all you run it out
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of I'm driving this and gotta trust it though, because
a lot of guys they he's hit like, I don't
know what if it's outing up and you know, you
gotta get that to knock it down. He's like, nah,
I'm gonna trust this. If they got an out and
up coach, Oh, well, they got on this one up there.
But I mean, I'm taking this one to the house.
But Minnesota, I didn't see. I didn't see nothing. I
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saw no sounds of life. Because think about it, oh, Joey,
Just like I said, the score was seventeen to six,
seventeen to six, and the next thing you know, Minnesota
scored twenty one unanswered. Chicago got a late touchdown, got
a late touchdown to make it twenty seven and twenty four.
But I think Minnesota going on the road in the
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hostile environment, this is a division game, and they're doing
it with a rookie quarterback, and for him to put
up the stats that he did. Look, it wasn't you know,
thirteen or twenty one, forty three. They ran the ball
twenty six times for a buck twenty. But for him
to go on the road in that environment and to
do when things did not because Oho, if he had
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got off to a great start, I totally understood them winning,
but it got off to a shaky start, and for
him to keep plugging away and keep plugging away. If
quarterback coach is Josh McCown, I say, with the three years,
Josh McCown is a head coach.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Oh Josh, what's you over under three years? O your
head coach? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Probably probably, especially for quarterback success. Anytime you coach a
pacific position and that pacific position continues to succeed on
whatever team you're coaching. If it's a quarterback, yeah, yeah,
you're gonna get your opportunity. Yeah, probably gonna get your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
He played a long time, you know, back up made
some plays. I mean I think you played like seventeen
eighteen years. Oh ja a long time. Yeah, he played
a long time. But Minnesota. You gotta give them Minnesota
credit chat because like I said, I didn't see that.
I saw nothing that would make me believe that they
had a chance to win this game. Especially through the
first three quarters. I saw nothing.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I saw no life, especially offensively.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Now, give the defense credit, uh and the d C
who's the DC former coach of the Dolphins, Give him
credit because he had those guys flying around. They're making plays.
Van Grinkle and hard Grove, those guys, those guys were
flying around tonight that's one thing he can do. Now,
Hey he dial uped that defense. They get after you Vikings, Vikings,
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d C. Flores Flores, Yes, yes, Florenes.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Give him, give him credit. He had those guys playing.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
They were getting pressure with with with four guys occasionally
they're bringing extra pressure. But I thought Chicago would be
better because they invested in what many thought was a weakness,
which is their offensive line. Toney is an All Pro,
a Pro Bowl player. They got Jackson from the Rams.
I forget where the center came from, but they got it.
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And I'm like, damn, are y'all Oh sure, yeah? Did
y'all forget how to block? Did y'all have to get
how to pass it? Did you get out of run block?
I'm like, cause this is this is a recap of
what it.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Was last year.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Last night basically hell JJ McCarthy he threw to TV
and lessen what three four minutes?
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Matter of fact, it's games like this like what we
saw last night, what we saw the night where people say, oh, man,
seventeen sixt this game is over. You know, they go
do something else, come and go in the garage and
come back in and the Vikings win the game. Oh man,
hell no, this ship is rigged, rigged, It's all rigged.
(53:41):
And listen. It was surprising to me too, But to
actually watching them fold, I'm like, well, god, damn, I
see why people say that. But then you think to yourself, no,
it ain't rig because I didn't been out there on
that field.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
In the momentum, you know, the momentum, when the moment
the momentum a way, it doesn't matter if when you well,
that's what I try to explain to people. O joy,
When you have the momentum, you're gonna have it because
the momentum is gonna swing. You get it, they get it.
You get it, they get it, get it. How much
separation can you put between you and the team when
you have the momentum, because they're gonna get it back
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at some point, absolutely, And if you haven't put enough momentum,
if you haven't put enough space separation, they're gonna come.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Back and buy you.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Well, when you would think with that momentum, you would
think a seventeen to six lead is enough, is enough
space to not lose the game. But you have jj
come come together in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's like, right, who the hell is.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well, if you think about it, o Jo, that's really
that's not a I mean, seventeen to six, that's really
a touchdown, a two point conversion of the field goal.
It's not like the Ravens last night. The Ravens were
up fifteen with under five minutes to go. If so, now,
o Jo, you need a touchdown, you need two touchdowns
and a two point conversion just to get even Yeah,
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just to get it even.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
So that was a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Formidable, especially and it's still, like you said, it's the
fourth quarter. But I thought that was a bore of
seemingly an insurmountable lead than what we saw tonight. But
considering you got a rookie who hadn't been doing much,
that is. Look, no matter what you thought about Buffalo,
that they do have the reigning MVP. They do have
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a guy that you know he can go crazy. We
haven't seen, we haven't seen anything from JJ McCarthy that
would make us think that the Minnesota had that in
them other than pride, other than this with the division rival,
and we know them, they know us because guess what,
Ben Johnson, he was at Detroit last year so offensively
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even though he's at another team. Brian Floyd's already know
where he's gonna run because I've been coaching against this
guy for the last two three years, so I know
who and what he is. The only thing changes the
color of the uniforms. Now, now O'Connell is gonna have
to go back and fill out look at and say
da and see what he ran when he was in
New Orleans. You know, maybe pull out some tape when
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he was the head coach at at the Raiders, or
cold footage of when you was the DC at Denver.
But for the most part, they know this offense. They
know Chicago's offense because they Florena's been coaching against Ben
Johnson for two to three years.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
But I was I was very disappointed in what I
saw from Chicago. Ojoe.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Offensively, you think, so, yeah, you got two number one okay,
you got Roma Doons, a number one pick, you got
DJ Moore, you got cole Kmet, you got Zakias, you
got Loveling, and you got the number one pick in
the draft, and you rebuilt your offensive line. You spent
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ninety four million dollars, fifty five of it we goes
this year towards that offensive line, and the offensive line
doesn't look any better.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, a Chicago. You say Chicago was your surprise.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Team, I did?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
I did?
Speaker 2 (57:05):
You did?
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I mean, so you should be surprised. Also, they look
like this to me.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
To me, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm throwing
caution to win simply because this week one, that's all.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
And I've done that. You notice when it comes to
the Week one games. Yes, I haven't been too crazy
the way the Dolphins look. Uh, the chance of them
actually looking that bad again and back to back weeks
is slimming none. It's the NFL. So because this Week one,
I've given almost every team some grace. Now we're getting
down the road dunk.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
And we were in Week three and we and we
were we three and week four and stuff is looking
like like what we saw to night, allowing teams to
come back from you know, being down in the deficits
like that and they coming back and win in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
What happened the other night with with with Baltimore, Yeah,
scoring sixteen points in a four minutes fan in an
NFL game in one.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Quarter, sc sc twenty two points in the fourth quarter
sport what twenty eight and a second half?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, hey, we talking about in in real life, not
a video game, real life.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
You know, Josh, Because Josh had like two hundred and
forty something passing yards if I'm not mistaken, in the
fourth quarter alone.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
But but again week one and I'm I'm gonna give him,
I'm gonna give the Bears really some grace watching Kitler
Williams made some good throats, had to run for his life.
He had to be Houdini. Yeah, man, God, And I
don't know Joe Joe Joe Toney would would would be
the captain's left guard. I mean yeah, he would be
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the leader of that that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
And I think Jonah Jackson they got from the Rams.
I think delmon A Dolmond.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
I'm just I've just glanced at his name when he
was on the back because it was you know, you
could see it, and the next day, you know, it
was sideways. I couldn't see it because he was chasing
somebody that was going by. But this is is not no,
this is not what Ben Johnson envisioned. Like you said,
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it is the first game. But I just thought I
would see, I would see more, I would see better
from what I saw from the Chicago from the Chicago Bears.
But give Minnesota credit. They go on the road basically
with a rookie quarterback and they get a very hard
for division a division win. So they're tied with Green Bay.
I want to know what top the division, and the
Bears and the Lions are zero to one. They're at
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the bottom of the division.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Oh,
Speaking of all four offensive performances. The coach beat the
Dolphins thirty three to eight to a completed fourteen or
twenty three one hundred and fourteen yards and a touchdown,
but through two interceptions, lost to fumble, his second multi
turnover game in its past three starts. To a QB
of rating was I was passer rating with fifty one
(00:25):
point seven, with the low fores his career in a
game that he did not leave early. Today marked the
fewest passing yards in such a game since Week eighteen
of twenty twenty one. O Jo, he looked awful.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I watched the game I had I had. I
had the had the Dolphin. I had the Dolphins game
on nice and big up there in the sportsbook, and
I expected more. I expected more. I expected more from
the Dolphins in general. I see the direction in which
they are going going young, letting a Jalen Ramsey go
(00:59):
obviously Mega Figa Meana Fitzpatrick being there being being a
lone veteran back there in that secondary. That's we got
to do something. We got to do something at the
quarterback position and finding a way where we can have
some type of consistency you give us a chance. Oh,
give us a consistency. To give us a chance, We'll
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go ohen sixteen, oh, seventeen, how many games it is, seventeen,
We'll go, oh in seventeen. Man, playing like we played today.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh yeah, and hold on, let me, I'm trying to
find this well, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Was terrible. I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad.
And I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked.
I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They had they had the thing up there and they
said Daniel Jones looked like Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson
looked like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Man, y'all be there with her. Oh here it is
right here on y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean, I think it was the first time they
had scored on three consecutive of possessions since Peyton Manning
in two thousand and six. Yeah, man, okay, so yeah,
they started, they started, or they started the game. Oh,
they scored, they kicked the field goal, they scored a touchdown,
scored the touchdown, kick the field goal, scored a touch
of kicked another field goal.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, dangn hold on. So they got one, two, three, four, five, six.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
They scored on six of their their first six possessions.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, yeah, and then listen.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
To a look will look bad on Joe, and then
and then then and then and and and Reek was frustrated. Yeah,
he's like, it's tough, man, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But listen, we're doing over unders. You think you think
if things continue to go.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Like this, We already had this conversation this summer. You
told me they would trade Reek a right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Look, if to go like this, being that they're they're
they're going, they're going younger as you can see, letting
Jalen go, They're resetting, they're rebuilding there. There could be
a chance there are many many suitors that can use
Tyreek manutes still one of the best in the game.
Don't don't, don't be fool because things aren't going right
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collectively as a cohesive offense over there and with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Chad, y'all remember being Oo had this conversation and he
laughed at me and loved talked about but what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, because I expected them to look completely different as
opposed to what I saw today. Now, you there's a
chance they can bounce back. There's a chance that can
bounce back after today's performance, because that was Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They don't look good defensively though.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Our identity was never our defense anyway, it was all.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, So Offens, you got sacked three times, you threw
two pigs and your fumble, So what's your identity?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
He probably got bags of your face because you don't
want nobody to know who you are.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Mm hmmm, Hey, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
All you can do, all you can do. Go back
to the drawing table. You going that Monday, you watch film,
You take Tuesday off, go hit the cold tub, hit
the hot tub, and you get back to rook Wednesday.
But who the Dolphins got, because I'm sure whoever the
next game is is a winnable game.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know who they got?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Chat who who the Dolphins got?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Next? His QB rating was two point seven.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
God damn, yeah, that's real.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That ain't even good. That's a good GPA. I mean
that's a c. Yeah, we got to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You do realize, Hey, Hal landra had two and a
half sacks today. I don't know they might get y'all.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Now we're good. Listen to is the Raider just beat
the past the day the Raiding beat the Passa the
day Gino was out there goddamn dealing. And if we're
going to have a rebound game to get that bad
taste of our mouth against the Coats, a game that
obviously you would think we should have won because Danny
Dines was dealing today. He was dealing. Jonathan Taylor was
doing this thing as well. I think we beat the Patriots.
(05:21):
You beat the Patriots and all they playing in Miami. Yes,
oh man, we got this, we got this.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Were good, We're good, y'all not good? Oyo, you guess
we won? It's we won.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't care if y'all played like this in week ten?
Y'all look bad? Did you look bad?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah? We look bad? Look bad. I'm just being honest.
But you know this NFL. Now you know what you know?
How week you look bad, the next week, Well, where
the hell does come from? It happens, It's possible.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's ideals, But I think the thing is that's concerning
for me.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
O Joe Is.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Your quarterback has to play well. He has to stay healthy.
And it's like it's like now, o Jo, anytime he
gets hit the ball come out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah you know, o Jo, he got the ball out here.
You got to have that ball. You got to have
two hands on that ball, just in king because you
can't see everything around you. Anytime you in that pocket,
you got to be here.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You got to be.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That clock, that time, that clock, that clock has to
go off on your head and understanding people rushing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Daniel Jones was twenty two or twenty nine, two seventy
two and a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And that's nasty work right there. That's good work too.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yes, good work.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And that's look something we don't need some We don't
need you to We don't need you to be.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
John Elway of Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Just don't just don't turn it over rights it just
give it. Just give us a chance. Give us a chance.
That's all we ask of you. Give us a chance.
If you give them a chance. They got their defense
is good. Yeah, you know they got frank uh, they
got some guys over there.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But damn dolphins, don't worry about it. Fans up baby
finds up We're good. We're gonna be all right. We're
gonna be all right. What the Broncos look like today?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They won?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They they barely won, but okay, go ahead, boll we
put that thing on the Tights.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Barely won.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah mhm you concerned for your Dolphins? Hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
After what I win is today?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You just told me chat this man just told me
is one game.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's one game. But I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm
trying to be optimistic. We cannot have that type of show,
and there has to be some type of promise when
you watch a game. We watch NFL game for four quarters,
you got to see something. Okay, you know what? That was,
something good that we can build off of. This is
the area we need to work on. We need to
work on every goddamn area.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Everything we need to work on.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
All three fits the game off, defense.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Locking, tackling, running, throwing. Other than that, y'all pretty good.
Oh yoe hey, y'all, Let Indiana Jones do a number
on y'all.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They got, y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Got that, y'all got the y'all got the people calling
that man Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yea, hey, hey, Danny dime dy listen, Danny dys No.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Hell, he ain't Danna Daves, nom Joe. They called him
Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, I got you. I take that what.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They gave us a man of nickname.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
After one game, Danny Manning said, oh my goodness, he
was out there dealing. I'm gonna be honest with you.
He was at the dealing. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
He did a number on y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
O yoe uh and he had two I mean he
threw for Holdo Jones had a touchdown. He rushed for
two touchdowns. The coach scored on all seven of their
offensive possession in today's victory, becoming the first team since
at least nineteen seventy eight to score on every offense
possession in a game.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's what Indiana Jones did to y'all.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A defense we need, we need.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That don't make me sad. Don't make me sad, because
I've been in good spirits. The Bengals won, and I'm hoping.
I'm hoping. Matter of fact, I tell you, I'll tell
you what if the Dolphins lose to the Patriots this
next upcoming week, my allegiance to them. I can't do
(09:42):
it no more. Can be done. I'm done. I'm done
because I've been listening. I've been going through this since
nineteen eighty four. Nineteen eighty four, when I understood that
I'm from Miami. Yes, my home team is the Miami Dolphins.
I been and things ain't been right since. Okay, Well,
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god damn man.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, y'all look bad? O yo, y'all. The Packers beat
the Lions twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
George Loved threw a pair of touchdowns, and Michael Parson
had a sack of it his Green Bay debut. The
Packers delivered an exceptional defensive performance. After getting outscored ninety
nine to forty in the first half of the NFC
North Games last year, the Packers got points on their
opening three posentsions. O Joe, you like the Packers to
be favored in the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now man hack here? Yeah, boy? You see them boys
to day. Boy, you see Dan Jordan Love dealing Molden
Nicks dogs. Yeah, read mate, John Jacobs. John Jacob was
trying to, you know, get loose a little bit. You know,
you weren't able to go crazy defensively. The Packers look
good too, you know they can They contain Jamir Gibbs
(10:55):
didn't have a huge game. They contained Montgomery didn't have
a huge game. But I see a team, especially from
offrom the standpoint, like the Detroit Lions, they gonna be alright,
they gonna be alright. But what I'm seeing from the
Packers this early in the season is phenomenal. Jordan Love
was wheeling and dealing all game loan, all game loan.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
They didn't have a ton of plays.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
No, I mean they had I mean forty five actual plays,
so they might have had fifty total plays.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And if you count the penalty stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oho, when you look at Jordan Love with sixteen to
twenty two eight two touchdowns, they only had twenty five
rusher tip for seventy eight yards. The Packers did a
tremendous job getting off to Jered Goff. He's not mobile,
so we know where he's gonna be right there. He
ain't going nowhere. I'm gonna be right there.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So they didn't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Montgomery couldn't get anything going. Gibbs couldn't get anything going.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Gibbs had ten receptions for thirty one yards along of seven.
That's not what you use your you need you need
arm and Rad, you need Jamison, you need j MO.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
They need their their.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
J MO to stretch the field, arm and Rad to
to keep the chains moving. And then we'll screen past you.
We'll swing it to one of the backs, out of
the backfield laport. They need to get more out of here,
but they did. Green Bay was swarming today. They got
they got after today. Rashaun Gary, you talk, We had
him on the showho I'm having a big year where
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he got somebody that you're gonna send the double at him.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So he's gonna get a lot of one on one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Absolutely, And everybody don't got tackles like like sul And
and and I think, who's the other tackle over there?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I forgot who's on the left side.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Is it Decker the starting left tacking for Detroit? Taylor
the Taylor Decker. Yeah, everybody don't got tackles like that.
And then you got those guys, you got what they
(13:08):
can bring pressure from a lot of different areas.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Van Nere's Wyatt.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And look good and you know what you think you
talk about all the things that we used to see
in Detroit. Doing the Detroit offense is so explosive because
they're able to establish the run, be able to stablish run,
but not being able to establish the run to day
and get those chunk plays six seven yards here having
them forcing forcing Detroit to maybe have to I mean
(13:39):
forcing the package, maybe have to drop the SATs down
in the box.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, for a little help.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So it eliminates everything else you want to do on
the back end because you can't get nothing going on
the front end.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you need to establish the run, oh joe, for
the simple fact, I don't have a mobile quarterback, right,
don't have a mobile quarterback. So if the play breakdown.
See here's the thing, a lot of these quarterbacks you
need now moving moving forward, what you're starting to see,
you need guys at the quarterback position and get our script.
So if I if I call something, even if I
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don't call the perfect play, he can get me out
of that play with his legs. He can get me
out of there and buy me time. Because a lot
of times can a guy get off sheet? Can a
guy get away from the play that you call and
make something out of it? So if I just give
you this ingredients, can you make something tasty with the
ingredients and I gave you or Ken, you just like man,
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I don't worry about this. I got something better. That's
not what Jerry Godfield. We know who and what Jerry Godfield.
He can throw them all over, Joe, but he ain't
making no plays.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That's our script.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, listen, there are a handful of quarterbacks on
where a coach can call it play and he sees
something completely different and he can make out of nothing. Yes,
call the right defense, but damn now we're stuck. Use
my legs making something out of nothing. There are very
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few that can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
True.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Detroit's offense failed to score touchdown through three quarters, which
hadn't happened since twenty twenty three Week seven at Baltimore,
and that was my concern though. Joe, Okay, you got
the same guys, but they're not Ben Johnson, the guy
that's calling plays now, he didn't go audition for a
head coaching job. He's never been He's never auditioned, he's
never been a head coaching before. He's never been an
offensive coordinator before. So you're asking someone, you put someone
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in a position. And I'm not saying that he can't
be good or he won't be good in the future,
but I'm saying it's gonna you gotta have some growing pains.
I mean, I've never seen a kid be able to
just all of a sudden grow from walking. I mean,
go from calling to walking without falling and busting his
butt or her butt or hitting his head on something.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's just the part. That's just the part of walking. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So a part of calling plays when you've never done
it is to go through trial and error, to go
through growing pains. And they're gonna have some of these
in Detroit, Ojo, they are you lost both you both
your d C and your o C. It's gonna be
some growing pains. It's gonna be some growing pains. And uh,
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do I think they'll figure it out?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, I do. I think that. I think they'll figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But uh, it's not gonna be as smooth and as
seamless as if as it has been the last couple
of years, that's for sure. But uh, but I thought
Green Bay defensively, defensively, that's what loo because I agree
with you, Joe.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They can run the football.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
They got Look, they got receivers, and I don't look
at any of these guys that, oh man, I'm just
I ain't looking at none of these guys like I
look at.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
A Chase like I look at a Jetta. They can
hurt you, they can.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And there is one if, if if he's all that
he's been advertised by in Matthew Golden, he's supposed to
be similar to that, which is why they got him
in the in the in the first round four to
two guy. We weren't able to see that for to today.
He did make some plays, but I'm excited to see
what they do with him going forward. And Jayden Reid
nice things, all nice.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What scares your bottom mojo is that because from week
to week you don't know see you set your game plan.
You're like, Okay, we gotta take this guy away. We
gotta take Chase away, we gotta take Jeed away, we
gotta take CD away. There are certain guys you go
into the game who you trying to take away.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You don't, you never don't.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You never do him week the week, it varies with them.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
We get God, there's not a whole lot of difference
between Dobbs read wis ain't a whole lot of difference,
o't yoe. They're all about this out for you know,
uh and then, uh, Christian, he's not there. He's your
speed merchant. He just can't stay healthy. He's phenomenal. I
like him a lot, but he just can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He he won't be back up until later in the
season now, I mean way way back towards.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And you know he had a when you normally guys
that have that kind of speed didn't normally have they
they bound, they wound tight, so they normally have hamstring issues.
He's battled a lot of hamstring issues. Yes, But I
did like what I saw from green Bay offensively, even
though they didn't do it. They didn't have a whole
lot of plates. Uh, the stats don't jump off at you.
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They probably had what two hundred and sixty yards, but
you only gave up thirteen points and they gave up
that on a spectacular catch that got caught the ball
one hand over outstretched. I can live with that. But
green Bay defensively, those guys were hunting today. They were
they were they were hunting. They were hunting today, and
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that's what you're gonna need, you know, boy, I'm already
chopping it that the bit.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I want to Week.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Four, wait week for Dallas Dallas and the Packers.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Green Bay and Green Bay Gold. Hey wait, I'm telling
you Dallas, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
They playing in Dallas, playing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Hey, let's go to the game.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We can't. I ain't going to the game. You can go.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I'm asking let's go to the game. So I
mean we can. We can live shooting the whole game.
Me and you sitting there watching the game, chilling in
the and it stands like that's that's that's you know,
no like a live broadcast.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Uncle, nocho live it pack I ain't trying to do
I ain't trying to do five hours of TV.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's just I'm telling you, un Man ash Man told
unk Man.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Uh, it's uh. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I'm sure they got some some stuff drawing up for
him to try to, you know, try to. But Michael
gonna be, Michael gonna be coming. He believes, he believes
there's not anybody on the defensive on the offensive line
that can block it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Absolutely not. Hell, there ain't nobody on any defensive line
that can actually blocking them on any other other thirty
one team.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So he gonna be, he gonna be, he gonna be chomping,
chomping at the bit. I'm excited to see that game.
But they look good today, not just Michaeh, but the
Packers defense in general. Kwi Walker, Wyatt, Sean Gary, all
those guys looked extremely well. They were they were getting
after him, and it's easy to get me. Look, when
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you become one dimensional, that's why everybody wants to try
to establish some resemblance of.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
A run game.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Once you become one dimensional, and those guys like, okay,
we're gonna play the run on the way to the quarterback,
it's a rap. The Commanders beat the Giants twenty one
to six. New York offense did not look competitive with
Russell running it. I was checking back and forth in
this game. It seemed like every time I turned in
he was putting the ball. Russ was pressured on sixteen
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of its forty five dropbacks thirty five percent, and handled
that pressure quite poorly. He was two of twelve twenty
six yards, sacked twice when pressured. New York managed his
two hundred thirty one yards of total off average three
point two yards per rush, stumbled twice into the red zone.
When asked if he would consider starting Jackson Dark, excuse
me Dark next week, dave Ball said, we're going to
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get home and look at our game. When asked if
Wilson would start against the Cowboys, dave Ball was equally noncommittal.
We're talking about after every game. I've I've got confidence
in Russ. We'll go back evaluate the tape. This game
isn't on Russell Wilson. It's not a Russell Wilson. Let's
make that clear. I have confidence in Russ. We have
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to do a better job all the way around. Now,
it was reported that I, like I said, maybe I
didn't stay long enough to see Dark get any snaps.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Did he get any snaps in this game? Oh? Joe,
did you watch?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I had all the games on at one at one
time at the sportsbook, so I'm not sure at what
point where Jackson Dart might have come in. When I
when I was watching, I was watching Russell Wilson. Most
of the time he was running.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
No, you know he didn't come in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Okay, okay, because there were raports that he was supposed
to have a package. They would have a package to
two for Jackson Dark, but Russell Wilson. Russell Willison was
seventeen to thirty seven one sixty eight sack twice under
twenty six quarterback rating, they had twenty They had what
seventy four rush yards on twenty three rush temp go
ahead on Joe No.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I won't say that, goddamn defensive line, but they had
Rush running for his life every time. In fact, even
throw a ball. The passing lanes was going because everybody
in his face. Everybody was in his face most of
the time. Most of the game. Every time I looked up,
I looked at the TV to the left, I.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Was like, but God, damn Russ. Every time I look.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Up, you getting hit, You're getting sacked, You're running for
your life. There's certain things you can't put on the
quarterback regards of who you put in there. You have
Jackson Dart had to deal with that. But what I
saw today, man, shoot, I don't think anything would have
been any different because he would have been running for
his life.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
True, Washington ran the foot fall extremely well today thirty
two rush attempts two hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Obviously, sometimes you know when you played. Obviously when I played,
when Carson would get plays, when players will come in
one play. But he has the freedom to be able
to change the play based on what he sees right,
whether it's a run play, if it's tossed right. But
you know what, you know, let's what we're gonna go,
dive left based on the defense, based on justin based
on what I see with my own eyes. Yeah, I
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have the experience. I wonder if Russell has has that
freedom to do so when play comes in, he actually
has to stick exactly what it's called, because based on
the play calling from what I saw today, it's like
it's hindering, it's hear and Russ from being able to
do some of the things that he does well.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I'm not so sure he had that ability. He
probably hadn't had that. I don't know if he ever
had it in Seattle. Maybe later in Seattle. He definitely
didn't have it with Sean Payton, Oh no. And I'm
not so sure he had it last year with Arthur Smith.
So the likely hood of him coming in there and
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having that kind of control now o Cho doesn't seem likely.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
But hey, they just need to play better.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
We're not going to put all this on Russ although
he was less than fifty percent completion percentage, and then
Neighbors it seemed like I don't know what that was about.
What the neighbors and Dave Ball was trying to get
him to go back in the game. He was talking
to him, trying to get but a Neighbors seemed like
he was like, Man, I'm done with this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You frustrated. He frustrated. He frustrated. Listen players like that.
I said this with aj Brown too when Eagles played
having to wait all the way to the third quarter,
nine minutes in the third quarter to even even touch
the ball. You have a player that is special as
Malik Neighbors. You get him the ball early. It don't
have to be nothing crazy. Throw him a little throw
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him a little smoke around, throwing a screen route, give
him reverse, let him feel like he's involved in the
game instead of out there getting all that God damn Cardio.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Get it to him early.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, and you will have him late all whole game.
That's what that's that's what you should do. Uh what
you should do and what they actually do is not
always the case. But you're absolutely right or you're absolutely right,
oh Joe, is that when you're dealing with these uh uh,
the the number one receivers, you got.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
To give them something early in the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean, just ain't nobody asking, you know, to ask
Jordan or to ask Steph Curry, to ask one of
these great players. Look, we don't want you to take
a shot into the third quarter. No, no, just if
you do everything, just just run around out here, step
you just run around off these pigs and do all
this stuff. And we're gonna run you know, hey, all
that we're gonna do. But don't don't take no shot
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to the third quarter. As a matter of fact, we
ain't gonna let you take no shot to the fourth quarter.
And see how that work out. But y'all want the
receivers to get out there and run, and it's like
just run and just run and just run, and they
don't get no action, don't get the ball thrown away.
And then come fourth quarter, Hey here we come, come
to come to do what?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, mentally you're not. It's hard as struggle. It's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So we'll see what happened. They got.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
They got the Cowboys. The Cowboys like, hey, we let
one slip away last week. We ain't about to let
one slip away this week. Cowboys might drop I know
it's a division game on Joe, Yeah, Cowboys might try
to drop fifty.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On the Giants.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Fifty mm hmm, damn, yep, I'm trying to Hey, what
was what was uh neighbors numbers to day?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He had five for seventy one on twelve targets and
that's that's that's that's not bad. Ntil Robinson had uh
sixty fifty five or eight targets.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's not bad.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean it know, look good, look, look a little
slow there at the office. Not not not what you like.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I ain't nobody go crazy at the receiver position, but
say Flowers.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, they was only one they they be killing that slot.
Boy m hm, oh, you'd be killing that slot. And
it's the same route over and over. They either either
that shallow or that deep over.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, because you got to honor it, because they hole,
because Lamar stick it in there. You think Henry, so
you hold just for a second and by the time
you realize that he's already yeah. Yeah, what you think
you think you think there's some there's some trade on
the times with Russ me personally, Oh, Joe, I don't
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think you can. I don't think he's going to start
the whole year. You know, you and I we had
a bed over under eight games. I think it's gonna
be under eight games, and Jackie Dart's gonna be in there,
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I think, honestly, based on what he has around him,
is all gonna come down to his offensive line. If
you give Rush time, you give us time to be
able to process and and allow him to make the
decisions with the ball, I think he's gonna be all
right if they can if they can get a running
game going take some of the pressure off of Russ
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as well, which obviously helps with the past game, I
think they're gonna be all right. But so many different
factors have to have to go right for us to
be able to succeed. Because he's not the Russell Old.
He's not the Russell Wilson with the Seattle Seahawks that
at one point he can make something out of nothing.
As you get older, you need more help from those
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that are around you, and I'm I'm not sure the
New York Giants team is built with the right personnel
where he can be able to succeed like that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of Russ was was outside was
our script? Yes, improvisation. You know, Russ was magician with
the ball pump, faking and and and and flicking the
ball over guys and finding ways. He doesn't have that
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athleticism anymore. Like you said, I think in order for
him to be at his absolute best, things have to
be perfect. And you know the likelihood of things being
perfect more times than not, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So you say eight games, you think, jack.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I think over under
eight games and Jackson dart to be in there. Damn,
I mean, o Joe, I mean you got to think
about it. This is the third team in three years,
because yeah, he went from Broncos to the Steelers, Steelers
to the to the Giants. Don't know, when you start
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bouncing a round like that, o Jo, when you start
bouncing around like that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know how that's on the back and yeah, on
the back and that that that that's what that's what.
No only happens. But obviously he's on one year deals
when he's with the Steelers. When he came in, obviously
he was injured. Just feel sook over which did really
well with Hell when Russell Wilson did get the opportunity
to get back in there after coming back from injury.
He went on a five to six what seven game? Yeah,
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your step seven in the row. And then obviously the
bottom fell out after that. But damn, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And plus plus the thing yells O Joe, they bought
to know the jobs on the line.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
How how does look I draft a guy that I
don't get the coach if So, if I don't play
Jackson Dark, there's a great chance I'm never gonna coach it.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Hell, if you do play Jackson Dart and things don't
go well, hell, you still ain't gonna be able.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
To coach him. But I got I got a year.
I drafted him.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I mean that's like you you you build a house
and get a divorce and the wife living in it.
You ain't even getting live in the house with Joe.
So I just think, I just think the thing is
is that the gonna turn the dark sooner than later?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Probably four or five games, don't you You know, you
look at your division? Uh you see what Philly, You
see what Washington? You see what Dallas is? You look
around the league like man we already we're out of this.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Mh.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
We might go ahead and start building towards the future,
right at some point in time, Joe, I gotta start.
I gotta start hoarding a bottle of water in can tuna.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Doom day is here. I know.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't want the fans out then New York to overreact.
It is week one. I think we're being a little
a little too we jumping the gun a little a
little too much. Joe, Who the Giants got next?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
On Cowboys? Oh? Ship?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh Joe, you do realize they took this man number one.
They took Jackson dark number one, right, what they're taking
one for to start?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And you and you got and you and you got
a jerk.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
What people would consider Russ now is a journaman.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, sir, yeah, obviously, and you know, you know what
with with that journeyman, we talked about the super Bowl
winning journeyman who has good experience, who has good success
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Jo flacoh won a Super Bowl and what's super Bowl MVP?
How do people look at it?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Journeyman? Okay, but again, Russell Wilson is starting for a reason.
What better person for Jackson? Dart to sit behind and
learn the game from then someone has already accomplished what
he has. I could be wrong, or you can throw
caution to win and throw Jackson Doughter out there to
the sharks and what what what? What normally happens to
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young quarterback and you throw them out there to the
sharks and they don't play well and they start losing confidence?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
All right, Well if the guys, I mean, it's tough
because I and and that's why I think it's gonna be.
I don't think it'll be in the next couple of weeks,
but I think by week six, week seven, you kind
of no right and you got it. You We just
got to move forward.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And once we make once we make this decision on Joe,
it ain't no turning back.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Turning back. Once you do that, ain't no turning back.
But that's that's why I say it wouldn't happen that
that soon. It wouldn't happen that soon because once they
do make that decision, Jackson Dart is the quarterback for
the for severe future unless things just completely don't pan out,
simlar to that of Daniel Jones. O.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Joe, you have been on a road trip.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Look here, okay, Now I'm gonna drive, and once I drive,
I ain't I ain't stopping, right, So once we gas up,
get everything you need to get water, get your get
your get your you know, get your goodies, whatever, the bathroom,
all that, because what a I ain't stopping, Oh joe.
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The Steelers went on the road beat the Jets thirty
four to thirty two. Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes.
If I'm not mistaken, it's his first game with four
touchdown passes and no interceptions since twenty twenty one. Aaron
Rodgers threw four touchdown passes in his Steelers debut. Rogers
after the game, they were probably people in the organization
that didn't think I could play anymore. So it was
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nice to remind those people that I still can. I'm
just happy to be Everybody associated with the Jets, were
you surprised? How will Aaron Rodgers look today?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Well?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I wasn't surprised, obviously, based on the team he's at,
where he is, what he has to work with. Offensively,
the Steelers, obviously, their identity is their defense. Even though
they looked okay, because the goddamn justs and Justin Fields.
They were playing some ball today. Boy, Yes, hey, Justin
Fields and the boy been playing some ball today. But
I'm happy for Aaron had DK metcalf. They had very
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very very good chemistry, very good chemistry. He could you
he caught some good balls. And outside of that, I mean,
they look really good. And this is what I really
expected for the Steelers to have a quarterback that is
for a time MVP super Bowl winning quarterback and putting
putting the right pieces around him, and all he has
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to do is dou ask of them and don't turn
the ball over. Just don't turn the ball over, and
you will always have a chance. And that's that's exactly
what they had to thay, that's exactly what they had
to take. Let defense take care everything.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And again what happened, it was a turnover hum with
the fumble. Hey, look, we know Aaron Rodgers can have
games like this. He looked like the old Aaron Rodgers,
not an old Aaron Rodgers. The old Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers
twenty two thirty two, forty four four touchdowns, just got
after him a little bit, got him sacked in four times,
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did a great job of neutralizing the run. Only fifty
yards on twenty carries. Then you go to the other
side justin fields looked really look played really well today,
sixteen to twenty two to eighteen one touchdowns, they had
one hundred and eighty two rushing. Yeah, but when you
get a situation like that, you got to killing that
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with a sledgehammer. Yes, you can't leave a team with
these type quarterbacks. You can't let them hang around on Joe.
They'll find a way to.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Beat you every time.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
When you get a team down and they got a
great quarterback on that side of the football, rogers can
still beat you.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Josh Allen can beat you. Of the homes.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
These guys they can beat you. You better put them
away when you get a chance. But if you leave
them hanging around on Joe.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, But the funny thing about it, when teams get
in the situation where you can kill a ant with
a sledge hammer, everything gets conservative. They call it gets
conservative because now I don't want to be responsible for
the loss, as opposed to let's keep our footing a
pedal and just kill him right away. But no, every time,
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on every single time, which is why I tweeted what
I tweeted tonight while the Ravens and Bills are playing.
Every time listen, it looks like a blowout. But for
some reason, in every football game, the play calling mistakes,
they get conservative things happen, fumbles, interception, and for some
reason the game always ends closer than what it should be.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
You know, you turn the ball over, you give the
packers a short feel, and the next thing you know,
the game is is boom, boom boom.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Give a Jalen Ramsey credit. He got it.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You can't go lo jailing now. You can't take out
the lead blocker by taking out his knees. They won't
allow you to do that. On the defenside of football.
You used to could, but you can't do that anymore.
But he says, Okay, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I make up for it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
He did.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I make up for it. He dropped the ham on
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I think the thing is, you got to you gotta
know that guy's with because what are they trying not
to do? Let you out of bounds. So if they're
not gonna let you out of bounds, what does that mean?
Somebody is close to.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
The sidelines, the sidelines and keeping everything inside.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And so now her rams see him.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
He let me get some bow barbecue sauce because I'm
gonna put some sauce on the Rebso.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That was it. That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That was a text That was a textbook tackle too,
now textbook. Uh, that was teach tape, teaching tape on
how to tackle and not getting no flag. That was nice.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That was that was That was an unbelievable play by
an unbelievable player. But I thought, I thought justin Field
showed great poise. Uh, did a great job. He's only
sacked once. Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
The tackle got beat really bad. He got beat really
really quick.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And I think because I thought they had something on
that play looking at it, they had they had something.
If the court if the tackle doesn't get beat so quick,
hot Smith beats him clean and and feels really doesn't
even get a chance, really gets a chance to do
much of anything. But I was impressed with Rogers. Now
I didn't know. I'm not finish, sit here and tell
you I saw four touchdowns and no turnovers twenty two
(39:18):
or thirty. No. I knew they were gonna try to run,
to try to establish the run. But that's why you
got a guy like Rogers, Because if we can't run it,
we feel comfortable if we can protect him. He can
make plays. He can still make plays off his back foot.
He still can roll out in the pocket and throw
with pinpoint accuracy. He still has those capabilities. He's not
as elusive as he once was. Hey, we're not the
(39:41):
same people that at twenty. At thirty we're wor twenty five,
We're not the same people at thirty five, we're wor
a thirty Rogers what forty forty one years of age.
He's definitely not the same person athletics, athletically, athletically as he.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Was in his thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
But his arm, his ability to change armslots a bit.
I need to move on the run throwing the run now,
he don't have the foot speedy once dead. Oh Joe,
he's not gonna really beat you like he once could
with his legs. But his arm is still dangerous. Yeah,
his arm is still very, very dangerous, very much. I
didn't see the four touchdowns if somebody would have told me,
(40:17):
because I see two forty four. Yeah, but I don't
think either team is really happy. One team gave up
thirty four the other team gave up thirty two. Now
if he if I give up thirty two and I win,
I'm happy.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
But there are some concerning things that I saw, but.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I thought, But if I think, if you're Mike Tomlin,
you're like, okay, I think we found our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
And you look at the receivers. You look at DK
doing what he did.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You look at Calvin Austin the third fry Muth had
a big play scronic catchups that he's normally a special
team's maybe came from I think he was at the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's where I remember him from.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't know if he was came from there last
year a couple of years ago, but I remember him
at the Rams a special team. Mabn caught a touchdown
recover the fumble. But I like, I like what I
saw from the Jets. There are some positives, absolutely, there
are some positives that you can take out of this.
You're just like, man, we had it. But you give
(41:14):
up seventeen points, just like the Ravens gave up twenty
two points. You gave up seventeen points in the fourth quarter.
You can't You're not gonna win. You're not gonna win.
Very many games given up that that kind of in
the fourth quarter. But the Steelers, the Steelers, the Steelers
play well. Look, Steelers are one and oh in that division.
Cincinnati is one and oh, and you got Cleveland Baltimore
(41:35):
at the bottom of the division at both oh and one.
It's early one game of the season. One game does
not make a season win, lose, or draw. But I
definitely like teaching after a win than I do a loss. Yes,
now I might have your undivided attention more so after
(41:56):
loss than a win, But I like teaching after win.
So Stevens, what you're thinking, how many ways? Ten eleven
stealers twelve?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, that's a good one, just off the off the
quarterback alone, if you can be consistent and not turn
them all over and show us vented signs of old
Aaron Rodgers, old Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, could
they could win win more than that, especially if the
defense carries in because the defense is our identity. Now
the defense is their identity. I got them winning more
(42:33):
than ten easily.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, I'm saying, if it all comes down on your quarterback,
if the league look at the landscape of the league,
of the team that are always successful year in and
year out. What's the competent nominated on what each one
of those teams have. They have a competent quarterback that
puts them in the best situations to win weekend and
week out. And that's something that the Steelers have now,
(42:57):
which is why Tomlin had no problem going to get
Aaron Rodgers. Wait, look, we don't need it to be
Aaron Rodgers down there and got damn Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We don't need that.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
If we can give flashes of brilliance every so often
and you do what we ask of you and don't
turn the ball over, we can hand it all from
time to time to take them the pressure off of you.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
DK.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Make the plays. Calvin Austin the third, you make your plays,
fire Mouth how you said his last name prior? Yeah,
make your plays. We're gonna be fine. Let the defense
do all the heavy lifting.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, I mean, I liked what I saw with DK.
It did a great job of getting the ball in
his hands. He dropped one early, and then he came
back and made two spectacular plays. Turned on the after
burners like they got out down the sideline. I saw
Calvin Austin catch a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
He played.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
He played well today friar Mouth. When given an opportunity,
he did what he does. Uh scronic they slept on him,
had to run the over rot. You know, Rogers liked
to throw the up all outside the pocket. Yeah, they're like,
they don't have a problem putting them on the move.
He does a great job because if you roll him
to the left, he can open his hips up.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
And still get the completion.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
A lot of right A lot of the right handed
quarterbacks are left handed quarterbacks that have to roll right,
or right handed quarterback that got to roll left. It's
awful lot to throw on the move because you got
to open your hips up, especially if it's not like
a comeback.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
With a guy. You know, you you rolling that way
and you just throw it.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
But sometimes you got to open your hips, and I
think Rogers does that as good as anybody that's ever
ever played the game. I like what I saw from
the Pittsburgh Steels. I like what I saw from the Steelers.
I like justin Fields. I like what I saw today.
I can if I'm ag I've gone and say, son A,
I know you disappointed that we didn't win, but there's
(44:42):
no question in my mind.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You showed a lot of improvement, You showed a lot
of growth. Today.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
We can win a lot with you playing like you
played today, Son, we can win a lot of football games.
We can win a lot of football games. So Steelers
go to one and oh just fall to oh and
one thirty four thirty two. You know, Rogers had something
to prove. You know, ay, hey, you didn't want me,
you didn't play, say I want to be everybody that's associated.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
You know, he gave it a little bit of he
he like, hey, y'all got somethun me.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Walking off the field to day, he would thanks walking
next to Cam hey with He's like, y'all, y'all, y'all
got some funny y'all.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Look y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all look uh so.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
But like I said, I think the Jets that division
it's Buffalo's Yeah, it's Buffalo. Miami looked horrible on both
sides of the ball.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
O Joe, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
They look horrible. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't
do that. No, they did that. I didn't do nothing.
I did I bet man Middalo.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I I was speechless o Jose, Minnesota was just going around.
I'm like, how long justin Jefferson before he throw it?
Helbed up in the stands because not targeting. JJ threw
a horrible pick, you know, horrible pick six. You know
that deep out if you late and inside. He got
a reservation for six Indians on and next thing you know,
(46:05):
Minnesota has seized control of this ball game. I'm almost
certain the Chicago Bears spent ninety four million dollars, excuse me,
on the offensive lineman. They got a new center, they
got a new left guard, they got a new right tackle.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Oh Troe.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I couldn't tell no, Caleb Wiiver was running for his life.
If Caleb Williams is not as if Caleb wings with
Jared Goff he sacked ten times tonight, easily, he's running
for his life. But I was like, hold on, I
thought you and I both because we talked about this, said,
oh Jo. They moved the offensive line, They got Roma Doonsay,
they got a DJ Moore, they got the kills, they
(46:42):
get drafted, the tight got another tight end, they got
Cole Comment. Defense seemed to be flying around, and they
got Ben Johnson calling plays D eight. If the Dennis
Allen is the new DC. I said, I like Chicago
renapped offensive line.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh joe.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
The offensive line looked the same, if not worse than
what it did last Give Minnesota credit. I happen to
give JJ McCarthy a lot of credit. He's a theoretically
he's not a rookie, but last year got hurt in
his rookie season. But this is like his rookie season
to call pick a pick six on the road and
not and not get down, O joe, and to come
back and throw two touchdown and to win this game
(47:19):
in your first start.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Give JJ McCarthy some credit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Absolutely, Listen watching this game, I really thought I was
I thought at some point I thought the Beards were
going to run away with this one.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I did too.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Caleb Williams looked like Houdini back there, obviously when being
able to process drop it back when things happened. One
of the few quarterbacks in the NFL that can make
something out of nothing when things break down. He looked good.
Made some very good throws obviously once the pick six happened.
Once the pick six happened, and JJ JJ left that
(47:50):
out route inside of like you know what, Yeah, at
this point, this one's over.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
This game is over.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Man, JJ camp on pluck. He did kept on plugging,
play here and play there. He also being a dual
threat quarterback being ay both of them, both of them
can move with the ball too.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah for sure, Yeah, both of them move with the ball. Man.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Before you know it, Man, we got a ball game. Baby,
you got a ball.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Uh you're looking at Joe. You thought that out route.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
You got to be early and outside because if you
even if you late, it's going to it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Knocked down at worst. Yeah, no, it'll be knocked down.
At best.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
The worst thing that happened is a pick six going
the other way. But if you late and inside, oh
yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And you you got to have you got to have
an arm. You know, most coaches all the way out,
you got to have an arm. So obviously JJ Musk
got a gun on him for the coaches to be
comfortable with him even throwing that ball. But it's all
about placement. It's all you want to miss far rather
than miss inside.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
You.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Hey, when he catched that ball, Oh, Joe, he out
of bounds. You catch it, you get two feet down,
you out of bounds. Yes, Basically, when you throw that
when that jo a playing that right foot, that ball
need to be in the air because.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
He's running on the now. He's not stopping, so he's
running a speed out out.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, so when he hit, so before he hit, that
ball got to be in there when he speed out
when he ten roll the twelve.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, he gott to drop in his hands.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
When his eyes turned back to look for the ball,
that ball already got to be in the air. Oh
for sure, he got That ball got to already be
in the air. And he got to catch the eye
line of the ball in flight, not watching leaving your
hand because if it's.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Way too late, that got is way too late. And
you see the first of all, the dude playing off. Yeah,
so once he sees now, he ran out and up
he cooked. But you see how hearty, You see how
heart he drove on that ojoe. So he knew, Hey,
once he once he saw a jella put that foot
in the dirt, he goes, all you run it out
(50:03):
of I'm driving this and gotta trust it though, because
a lot of guys they he's hit like, I don't
know what if it's outing up and you know, you
gotta get that to knock it down. He's like, nah,
I'm gonna trust this. If they got an out and
up coach, Oh, well, they got on this one up there.
But I mean, I'm taking this one to the house.
But Minnesota, I didn't see. I didn't see nothing. I
(50:24):
saw no sounds of life. Because think about it, oh, Joey,
Just like I said, the score was seventeen to six,
seventeen to six, and the next thing you know, Minnesota
scored twenty one unanswered. Chicago got a late touchdown, got
a late touchdown to make it twenty seven and twenty four.
But I think Minnesota going on the road in the
(50:44):
hostile environment, this is a division game, and they're doing
it with a rookie quarterback, and for him to put
up the stats that he did. Look, it wasn't you know,
thirteen or twenty one, forty three. They ran the ball
twenty six times for a buck twenty. But for him
to go on the road in that environment and to
do when things did not because Oho, if he had
(51:06):
got off to a great start, I totally understood them winning,
but it got off to a shaky start, and for
him to keep plugging away and keep plugging away. If
quarterback coach is Josh McCown, I say, with the three years,
Josh McCown is a head coach.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Oh Josh, what's you over under three years? O your
head coach? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Probably probably, especially for quarterback success. Anytime you coach a
pacific position and that pacific position continues to succeed on
whatever team you're coaching. If it's a quarterback, yeah, yeah,
you're gonna get your opportunity. Yeah, probably gonna get your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
He played a long time, you know, back up made
some plays. I mean I think you played like seventeen
eighteen years. Oh ja a long time. Yeah, he played
a long time. But Minnesota. You gotta give them Minnesota
credit chat because like I said, I didn't see that.
I saw nothing that would make me believe that they
had a chance to win this game. Especially through the
first three quarters. I saw nothing.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I saw no life, especially offensively.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Now, give the defense credit, uh and the d C
who's the DC former coach of the Dolphins, Give him
credit because he had those guys flying around. They're making plays.
Van Grinkle and hard Grove, those guys, those guys were
flying around tonight that's one thing he can do. Now,
Hey he dial uped that defense. They get after you Vikings, Vikings,
(52:28):
d C. Flores Flores, Yes, yes, Florenes.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Give him, give him credit. He had those guys playing.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
They were getting pressure with with with four guys occasionally
they're bringing extra pressure. But I thought Chicago would be
better because they invested in what many thought was a weakness,
which is their offensive line. Toney is an All Pro,
a Pro Bowl player. They got Jackson from the Rams.
I forget where the center came from, but they got it.
(52:58):
And I'm like, damn, are y'all Oh sure, yeah? Did
y'all forget how to block? Did y'all have to get
how to pass it? Did you get out of run block?
I'm like, cause this is this is a recap of
what it.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Was last year.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Last night basically hell JJ McCarthy he threw to TV
and lessen what three four minutes?
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Matter of fact, it's games like this like what we
saw last night, what we saw the night where people say, oh, man,
seventeen sixt this game is over. You know, they go
do something else, come and go in the garage and
come back in and the Vikings win the game. Oh man,
hell no, this ship is rigged, rigged, It's all rigged.
(53:41):
And listen. It was surprising to me too, But to
actually watching them fold, I'm like, well, god, damn, I
see why people say that. But then you think to yourself, no,
it ain't rig because I didn't been out there on
that field.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
In the momentum, you know, the momentum, when the moment
the momentum a way, it doesn't matter if when you well,
that's what I try to explain to people. O joy,
When you have the momentum, you're gonna have it because
the momentum is gonna swing. You get it, they get it.
You get it, they get it, get it. How much
separation can you put between you and the team when
you have the momentum, because they're gonna get it back
(54:16):
at some point, absolutely, And if you haven't put enough momentum,
if you haven't put enough space separation, they're gonna come.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Back and buy you.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Well, when you would think with that momentum, you would
think a seventeen to six lead is enough, is enough
space to not lose the game. But you have jj
come come together in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's like, right, who the hell is.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well, if you think about it, o Jo, that's really
that's not a I mean, seventeen to six, that's really
a touchdown, a two point conversion of the field goal.
It's not like the Ravens last night. The Ravens were
up fifteen with under five minutes to go. If so, now,
o Jo, you need a touchdown, you need two touchdowns
and a two point conversion just to get even Yeah,
(54:59):
just to get it even.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
So that was a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Formidable, especially and it's still, like you said, it's the
fourth quarter. But I thought that was a bore of
seemingly an insurmountable lead than what we saw tonight. But
considering you got a rookie who hadn't been doing much,
that is. Look, no matter what you thought about Buffalo,
that they do have the reigning MVP. They do have
(55:22):
a guy that you know he can go crazy. We
haven't seen, we haven't seen anything from JJ McCarthy that
would make us think that the Minnesota had that in
them other than pride, other than this with the division rival,
and we know them, they know us because guess what,
Ben Johnson, he was at Detroit last year so offensively
(55:45):
even though he's at another team. Brian Floyd's already know
where he's gonna run because I've been coaching against this
guy for the last two three years, so I know
who and what he is. The only thing changes the
color of the uniforms. Now, now O'Connell is gonna have
to go back and fill out look at and say
da and see what he ran when he was in
New Orleans. You know, maybe pull out some tape when
(56:07):
he was the head coach at at the Raiders, or
cold footage of when you was the DC at Denver.
But for the most part, they know this offense. They
know Chicago's offense because they Florena's been coaching against Ben
Johnson for two to three years.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
But I was I was very disappointed in what I
saw from Chicago. Ojoe.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Offensively, you think, so, yeah, you got two number one okay,
you got Roma Doons, a number one pick, you got
DJ Moore, you got cole Kmet, you got Zakias, you
got Loveling, and you got the number one pick in
the draft, and you rebuilt your offensive line. You spent
(56:50):
ninety four million dollars, fifty five of it we goes
this year towards that offensive line, and the offensive line
doesn't look any better.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, a Chicago. You say Chicago was your surprise.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Team, I did?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
I did?
Speaker 2 (57:05):
You did?
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I mean, so you should be surprised. Also, they look
like this to me.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
To me, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm throwing
caution to win simply because this week one, that's all.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
And I've done that. You notice when it comes to
the Week one games. Yes, I haven't been too crazy
the way the Dolphins look. Uh, the chance of them
actually looking that bad again and back to back weeks
is slimming none. It's the NFL. So because this Week one,
I've given almost every team some grace. Now we're getting
down the road dunk.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
And we were in Week three and we and we
were we three and week four and stuff is looking
like like what we saw to night, allowing teams to
come back from you know, being down in the deficits
like that and they coming back and win in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
What happened the other night with with with Baltimore, Yeah,
scoring sixteen points in a four minutes fan in an
NFL game in one.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Quarter, sc sc twenty two points in the fourth quarter
sport what twenty eight and a second half?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, hey, we talking about in in real life, not
a video game, real life.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
You know, Josh, Because Josh had like two hundred and
forty something passing yards if I'm not mistaken, in the
fourth quarter alone.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
But but again week one and I'm I'm gonna give him,
I'm gonna give the Bears really some grace watching Kitler
Williams made some good throats, had to run for his life.
He had to be Houdini. Yeah, man, God, And I
don't know Joe Joe Joe Toney would would would be
the captain's left guard. I mean yeah, he would be
(58:35):
the leader of that that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
And I think Jonah Jackson they got from the Rams.
I think delmon A Dolmond.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
I'm just I've just glanced at his name when he
was on the back because it was you know, you
could see it, and the next day, you know, it
was sideways. I couldn't see it because he was chasing
somebody that was going by. But this is is not no,
this is not what Ben Johnson envisioned. Like you said,
(59:06):
it is the first game. But I just thought I
would see, I would see more, I would see better
from what I saw from the Chicago from the Chicago Bears.
But give Minnesota credit. They go on the road basically
with a rookie quarterback and they get a very hard
for division a division win. So they're tied with Green Bay.
I want to know what top the division, and the
Bears and the Lions are zero to one. They're at
(59:27):
the bottom of the division.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Oh,
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