November 18, 2025 • 54 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! The guys react to Shedeur Sanders’ NFL debut against the Ravengs. Unc and Ocho also dive deep into the A.J. Brown drama and debate whether the Eagles should consider trading him. Plus, they analyze the Jets’ ongoing struggles with Justin Fields and what it means for New York’s future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh Joe, The Ravens beat the Brian Browns by the
score of twenty three to sixteen. But what overshadowed that
was should Door Sanders getting his first taste up and
yeah action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter
and went out of the ball game, excuse me, and
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did not return.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Shador came in your door.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stats was four of sixteen forty seven yards, zero touchdown
and interception. He had a couple opportunities laying the ball game.
He had a couple of drops. He had a couple
of drops. Look and uh listening to I found it
on social media for Kevin Stefaski to say the first
time that Shadur Sanders had taken a snap with the
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starters with the ones was in this game.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's malpractice.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
At no point in time and this is what I said,
Oh Joe, So at no point in time, So you
don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He can't possibly bring a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that
you want to get. Should like one reps with the ones,
two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it
three fifty. I understand that. But even when John was
taking the majority of the refs, John, if we did
ten reps in the period, the backup, we take two
just in case. So for Shador Sanders, the hell we
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are in weak eleven. The man got drafted in May
and at no point in time had he taken one
snap with the ones.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's very very disappointed, you know, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, Look not not only is it disappointing, right,
and a lot of people say, hey, listen, yo, you
and uncle we were you were screaming for Shador to start.
You wanted to get in there and look to look
at the stat line, look at look at what he did.
Well obviously I'm i'm I'm I'm confused, and I'm trying
to understand. Uh, this this ain't Madden. You don't you
don't just you don't just take out one quarterback and
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put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially
when you haven't had any reps with the Ones. When
it comes to the play calling. When it comes to
the play calling, what play calls are you're going to
be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had
any reps with the Ones?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You don't know what he does well, what he doesn't done?
What he you don't know what he does well, you
don't know what he what what he's.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not going to be good at because there's there there's
there's no chemistry, there's no chemistry. So you're just out
there calling plays all willy liy, not knowing how the
offense can run. And I know, as a quarterback, you're
supposed to be You're supposed to be prepared, you're supposed
to know, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you've
got to be able to go in there and do
what you can do. But like, come on, no, no
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reps at all? Ask your question, no reps up, No,
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Normally on Saturday, Dylan, on Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will
tell Stefanski these that I like.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Every quarterback does that, Every quarterback does that on.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Every quarterback does that.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So do you think he had any idea of the
plays that your door likes or he's just gonna call
plays just oh, har's my play sheet. That's calling because
you build your play you build your play sheet around
the quarterback and what he likes, what he's good, what
he's good at, what you know he's good at. You
don't even know what you do is good at. Now
it's gonna be very interesting. Look at this play. Now
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you got you got three guys blocking one guy and
somebody about to come in and hear your door daann
is mouth free.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Now what should have happened?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It was to redirect you slide the line to the
left and now guess what, you got the guard or
the center of the hit that guy that's looping around
and now you're protected. But hey, the uh, the the
the the old line is gonna have to make calls
until your door gets get a.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Get catch up. Get he's not.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There right now to say no, no, no, no no, I
want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect, let's lise this,
let's lise this, let's losey this. Now we're gonna slide
the line to the left. Now, we're gonna take Ay,
you only got one guy rushing up the right, Why
the hell we got three guys and now we got
a guy fid to come in here and try to
put his helmet up under Shador's kin.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So it's gonna be very interesting this week. Uh, I'm
sure Gaber is gonna be in protocol. We'll see if
he if she is gonna get the start against I
think they played the Raiders, Joe. I think they played
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders,
and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps,
all the ones, and Stefansk will have an idea what
he likes and will call plays accordingly.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And honestly is very important to uh for for Stefanski
to understand and know what this quarterback likes to do,
because it allows you to call plays and put them
in advantageous situations for you. It just it just makes
your job easier. It just makes your job easier as
a head coach. And for a quarterback to nobody likes,
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so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean,
it's really easiest. It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not
about your door, Sanders. It's about putting our players in
positions for them to succeed and give us our best
chances to win.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I give you a private example, O joke, when I
was at the starter my first couple of years, they
would put me in the game. But when I came
in the game, guess what, I know we can run
because it's like, Okay, when you come in the game,
this is what we're running. This is gonna be your
opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback,
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We're go, I don't care what the coverage is, We're
expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay,
in this situation, we're gonna bump this coverage. If they
bumped with it, that means this man coverage, you're gonna
be one on one insight lineback with this side leverage.
So we're gonna call a play where you're breaking away.
So I knew. Now if I'm just like all of
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a sudden going the game and they're not calling plays
for me, I just got I just now. Quarterbacks, always,
you go listen to Brady, You go listen to Manny,
go listen to a breathing any men, any of these quarterback.
They say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over
the Saturday night or day day of the game. This
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is what I really like. Normally is Saturday night and
you come and say, okay, so what do you like?
So Brady and Manny would say, I got these what
many called.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
His own things.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So'sten, let's do Brady breathing all these other guys. There's like,
this is what I like. This is what I like
in this thirty one to three, thirty three to five,
thirty five to seven. This is what I really really like. Now,
this is what I like, Hey, in this area of
the field. This is what I like in the red zone.
This is what I like out of this personnel because
I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to
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get this coverage which gives us a benefit, or that
get to give us advantage. So all that's going through
the mind. But for a quarterback on Joe not to
get no reps, I'm talking about none.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah see, And I was like, what I mean, listen
to Mary kay cabinet looking and listen to people that
they're they're saying, your door is not getting any reps.
As a matter of fact, Bailey, it'll be very interesting
if somebody should have asked him, Well, let me ask
you this, coach, Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Did Bailey Zappi get any reps with the ones?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Because it makes no sense if Bailey Zappie is getting
reps with the ones? And then why would you push
your door in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappi
is too.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, and that's funny.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And you know what the piggyback off what you said
about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before
games start on plays that they're comfortable and some of
the things that they want to do, for one, especially
early in the game, to get him in the rhythm.
And you mentioned Brady and hell I was there. I
was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I've seen it the night before in the hotel on
Saturdays before when the meeting ends, Billy, the receivers and
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Tom Brady sit there. They go over the plays that
he likes, and Bill O'Brien would run off plays. He'll
he'll call off plays and break you know what I don't.
I don't like that one. You know, let's say that
one you know, for later on the game and a
certain situation when we may need it. And he had
those first those first fifteen plays that he really really
likes and he's comfortable with and that, and that's what
they would go with.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and that's how I should be, because at the
end of the day, you gotta run with the quarterbacks
feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside. Sometimes,
you know, we want to bring our ego to the party,
but it's not your party, so you don't get to
dress how you want to.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We said, this is an eighty things party.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Don't you bring your assis here without a wig, without
an afro and some platform shoes, although choice a bail by.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know what I'm saying, This is not your party.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So you you you you call plays accordingly, because if
the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations,
he's gonna feel the most comfortable when you call that.
He's gonna be the most assured of himself and the offense.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
If you call that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm glad, Like like I said, hopefully, Dylan Gabriel's okay,
first of all, let's start with that because I'm not
big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets
an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity.
That's how breat He got his opportunity. Someone went down
and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity.
Someone went down, and I made the most of it.
But you know, somebody in order to seem like, in
order for you to do it, to get in, Dylan
Gabriel had to get Dean. Hopefully he's okay, Maybe he
comes back, Maybe he comes back this week and we're back.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
To square one.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Oh Joe, Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones
and we're moving forward.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still
in protocol. But I think now that you're in a
situation where there's a great chance there, I believe there's
a greater than fifty percent chance that you're gonna start,
because I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
You prepared differ as a starter than you do backup.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You just not not only do you prepare differently from
the starting to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Now, play calling completely.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Changes, completely different game plan depending on who you have
a quarterback, based on their skill sets and what they're
able to do.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Hm, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But uh, you know, things a lot faster than in
the NFL than they are in college.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Guys move faster, got you. You gotta throw guys open.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like that guy he threw the fanning the tight
end forty four on the crosser on the dagger route.
I thought he'd throw that with timing. Uh, you hit
Jue with one and Jewe made a great move. Uh
he had another one. A couple of guys dropped one
eighty four, had one in his hand.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But give a wood. Yeah, credit, he's a great play. Great, Yeah,
it was a great play. That was a great play.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But when you have a young player in there, having
been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you
have a young guy in you have to make plays
for him, you understand that he's nervous. I don't care
what anybody says he's nervous. I've been here before. I've
been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing
it on this level all your life. You ain't did
it like this with those guys all your life. So
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hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity, he'll be better
prepared than he was, and uh, we'll get a different
rep also in this game, Miles Miles.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Game, Hey man eight and he's the real deal.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is he gonna bring?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He got seven games to go, so he needs he
needs eight sacks to break the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Record, and he might very well get that. He might
and know they got the Ravens again. He might he
they got the Ravens. Hold on, I think they got
Pittsburgh they got again. He definitely might because he had
three today, right, did he have three or four?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Uh, they got the at the Raiders, they get the
forty nine ers Titans at home. There at the Bears,
they get the Bills at home. They get the Steelers
at home, they get the Bengals on now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Now the best matchup at everybody you said will be
probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles
Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dion Dalkons and
every everybody else on there. And there's no disrespect to them,
but you got your hands full.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh everybody got their hands you got you got.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Your hands full.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And obviously what's you called Trent got his hands.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh oh yeah, oh shoot, that's big.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, everybody got your hands full. Cold Miller everybody because
he kicking everybody. He's he's on he's on one of
those He's on one of those tears right now. It
doesn't matter who's in front of He don't even see you.
He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest, having been around,
having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the
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Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I played against Leslie O'Neill. Go look him up and
you don't know the.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Greg Townsend all though, the Michael spray hands when they
get into a rhythm. Ye, it ain't nothing you can do,
nothing you can do. It's just like a guy shooting
the basket. Like Jordan, They say, Jordan getting a zone
or step getting the zone? Does it matter if you
put your hand, you know, they put their hand in
his face like it' he ain't even looking at you.
He looked at them and he he's starting a pebble
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in the ocean. That's how big it looks to it.
There's a chance, o Joe, it happened to happened. I
don't think it's happened since ninety two when core Taz
Kennedy won the defensive Player of the Year on the
losing team. I think they were two and fourteen and
teds won the defensive player of the year. That might
happen because right now my minths Gar is the best
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defensive player.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He's easily, without question.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, I mean, he is soaked man, he is
so for a man his size to move like he does,
the way he can bend, the way he can change
the direction, the way he.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can with one m the way he can say he faking.
I mean he lined up and he ah ah, he in,
and he's waxed, all wax off. He ripping, he bend
to the edge. He can bump you.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He he has when it comes to when it comes
to Russian, he has no weakness because he can turn power.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
He can turn power to speed speed, the power he
just he can snatch pull you. He just he's just amazing.
He's he's and I just hate, I just.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hate that he ain't gonna win, not even listen, he
might not win the team collectively, but he's gonna win individually.
He's gonna win individually every every time and sometimes in
the in the winning effort defensively, sometimes in the losing effort.
But what you get from Miles Garretts you get consistency.
You get consistency from him, and he's gonna be an
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impact sometimes that impact of results and wins. Sometimes it doesn't.
But he's a force to be waking. He's a force
to be wrecked with week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And the thing is, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But if we talk about great defenders when it comes
to d line and what did all of them do? When?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, what did Reggie do? Yeah? What did straight hand do?
What did lt do? What did Aaron Donald do? JJ? Watt?
What you've you've got? You've got?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, But you know, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Saying you got to win a championship. But I'm not
saying you got to win that.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's unfair.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You going three and fourteen, you going five to twelve.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
But it's unfair, it's unfair. You have to think about
the situation those players, those players were in. You better
think about the team that they were on collectively, you know,
as a group. So they won because of the team
that they were a part of. There was an effort
on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for
Aaron Donald, Michael straighthand look at the defense back then,
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look at the offense with Eli Mannings, some of the
things they were doing, you know during that time, hell
Reggie white but you got a regular with Reggie white Man.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You got to think about what the what the the
Giants were before they got Oh yeah, you got to
realize what they before they got Carrie Collins ended up
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
They weren't going to They weren't going to no playoffs
in the nineties. They weren't like that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Hey, all it takes is a quarterback straight was doing it.
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, But and and and guess what.
Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie, I'm going to Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, the money, they had money, but they had more
money on us at other places. I want to win, time,
said may Larna. Y'all trying to get me used to losing.
I want to win, got them. So at what point
in time does Miles guests say, Man, here I am,
I'm getting twenty three, twenty four sacks and.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I ain't even ain't I ain't even I ain't even
sni in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm not even close to the playoffs, that my season
is already over.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Think about it, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We ate ten games into the season and the Cleveland
is already no they're living.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
For I mean, that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You six games, six weeks into the season, Shoe we goto.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
We got eleven twelve weeks to go? All right, hey, man,
let me see what. Let me see what.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And the funny thing about it is there a team
that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There
were teams that tried to get him, man, and listen,
I don't know the details. I'm not an insider. I
don't I don't have the sources. But you know, the
Browns aren't going to do that. I don't think there's
anything a team could offer them where they would have
done it, because I think a team that need.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, no, not not now. No, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't think I'll be personally, I don't think he
wanted to leave in because he's on a great he's
on a great pace right now. I think that's something
they might revisit in the because I'm gonna make a
I'm gonna make you tell me like Beetlejuice, beatle Juice,
you're gonna have to tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
No, you know you got to tell me. Do you
got to tell me? I ain't gonna lie to you.
Gotta tell me, Dough.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because, uh, he's a man, he's a hell of a
he's a hell of a hell of a.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Player, the real deal, and uh, he.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Got an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He's gonna go down as one of the all time breaks.
But I want to see if I want to see
him on the all time I want to see him
on a big stage. I want to see him in
the AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see
him in the super Bowl. I want everybody to see
Miles Garrett, not just I want him to see just
how special he.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And I have to see it watching highlights, because you
got to you're watching the exact thing about it.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
You know, as as great as he is.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean, how many people are tuning in to see
the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans, unless unless
it's the team that they're playing, Unless the team that
they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about
the That's about the only time.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, going back to Shador, why Tailor said after the game,
this is what he said. Why Tailor said, on your door,
I think I've heard this Caden two or three times.
I think it's going to come. I think going out
at halftime, we all got on the line. He said,
it's cadence, and we're kind of okay. Got through it again.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
A lot of learning, but but he played his heart out.
We just fell short.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Gabriel got practice snapped as a backup with Flaco at
QB one. Stefanski wasn't even getting your door his back
up at least minimal reps during the course of the week.
I get Flaco to a certain Stanel show because Flaco
is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want
to try to get him as many reps as you
possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not
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saying you split it fifty to fifty. I'm not even
saying you split it sixty forty. But you can't get
you can't find a way to get that man two
reps in. So the offensive line, the running backs and
everybody can hear his cadence.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And understand that, because that's very important. Some people have
a slow cadence.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Some people have a fast cadence you got and you
need to be able to hear it. So I was
I was surprised that that Stefanski said that man since
the man got drafted, you know they had the drafted.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now, yeah, you know how long ago it was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But they is the day is Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They sixteenth November sixteenth, June, July augu September, October, November sixth.
You have to understand the first time that man got
first team reps was today in a n actual game
against the Debate.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You understand that that wasn't their call. That is not
the player that they wanted.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They had.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They had their mind made up.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They had their mindset on who they wanted to be,
you know, quarterback number one.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Obviously it was Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were
going to Dylan Gabriel as their as their as their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
They did.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know now that that's their business. That's that's the
way they felt.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel
went out with a concussion hoping I'm hoping he's okay
and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program
for the Browns, being that he is the one that
they wanted to be their starter. So I'm hoping he's
okay and he's able to come back once he clear
concussion protocol. But now if Dylan Gabriel is out, now
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Schudor has.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
A whole week.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
He has a whole week to get all those things down,
to get that rhythm, to get that tim and get
that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen so they
can hear that cadence and understand understand you know the
sound and how he going to call his plays in
the huddle, and obviously had the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Let's take a listen to what your door had to
say after the game, Ojoe.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But it's different when it's different body types going out there,
a different way how people get out of routes. Like
what I've seen on the pick initially was I see
his hips turn, So I'm like, Okay, we're gonna be
able to get out there. But at the same time,
like playing quarterback is extremely hard, So it's like I
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like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing
the small things with the good at what the not
good at. It's like so many details that that that
that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know,
you know we at the bottom right now, just performance everything.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It will never be like this, but.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
You know, I'm dedicated to to to being able to
get those opportunities with those guys too. Have a relationship.
You know, I got relationship with all the hungry dogs though.
We let clockwork out there, but you just got to
see you just got to see everything a little bit more.
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You know, them come out a roust, them do all
different type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So you want to go to the next sound.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Before we responded, let's take a listen to what Miles
Garrett you can say about your door.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
After the game.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I don't don't be discouraged from no one drive or
two drives. It's a good football team over there. So
just trying to keep him to keep his confidence high
and uh, don't keep on that standard what he said,
and we're going to continue to support them. He spoke
after the game and you know he wanted to depend
it on himself and his performance, but we're not gonn
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allow him to do that. You know, it's it's a
team game, so we're all this together, just the entire team.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
In the lockers.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Still you know what to uncle as a receiver and
n you can you can attest to this and with
great understanding and and those you in the chat that
that are listening, I don't think they understand how important
it is to have a cadence with your receivers, to
understand and and and to work with them, you know,
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throughout the week, so to understand their movements, you know
their their tendencies, and and when they're going to break,
when they're going to get out and being able to
being able to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I think people think.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You just you get out there and you you just
throw the ball to your receivers, and it's just that easy.
It's just that easy. But there's there's there's a time
and cadence to it and rhythm to it. That That's
why you always hear players talk about throwing at a
quarterback and you know, and off season and throwing with
them in practice and getting those getting those reps so
everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when
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everything is sped up times ten, and you can tell
and you know when the player is about the break,
based on his mannerism, based on his body language, And
I think people watching the game of football thing is
just so easy. You know, you get the ball and
you just throw it and the guy has to get open.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
But that's not the way it works. When you have
other players.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Everything is easy that you can't do. Everything is easy
that you can't do. What you mean, those that can do,
those that can't, talk about others that can do.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Let me ask you a question on Joe you played
with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow
some some receiver that he didn't throw to during the
course of the week to be out there on the.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Field with him on something because he wouldn't trust you.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Thank you. Neither with Peyton Manning, neither with John Elway.
Because if there's a chance that you gonna get your
ass in the game, you best believe John el Wady
is gonna see you run a dig and cut, an
over route, a slant, a comeback, a stop or smoke
or shake.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
He's gonna see you do it in practice.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And guess what when it comes time to one on one,
guess what he's gonna say. He no don't worry a
t Let him get up there. I want to see
what he can do. I've been with you for seven years.
I've been with you, but he's gonna want to see
what those guys can do. Because if I got to
go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I
need to know I can trust you. I need to
see some matter rhythms. Hey here, tell him, bro, let
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me know where you're gonna break out. Bro, I got
to know what you're gonna break out. You just can't
do that. Make sure you get your depth. Hey, I
can't I can't listen. This is seven on seven. I
can't be pardon the language, chat, I can't be back here.
Jacket his ball, which means he can't be all that.
You get your head knocked off all. No, he can't
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do that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And you hear me say that. Guys, what y'all think
they say is a seven feller.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No, that balls got to come out one two, three
balls out, one two, three, four, five balls out. So
to ask your door to get in a game in
which he has not taken any snap from the center,
He hasn't thrown the judy, he hadn't thrown the handing
or or he hadn't thrown to any of those guys
and expect him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses,
but look, as time progresses, he getting more and more time,
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we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance.
But I think it's unfair to give him a grade.
If I were to give him a grade, I would
say incomplete, incomplete. We asked him to take a t
we asked.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Without studying, without without studying. I mean that's unfair. If
you listen, If you're gonna give me an assignment, right,
at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum
that I can properly study so I can pass the
goddamn tests.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Make it make it fair, make it fair for me.
Just don't out there blind.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I give you chat. I don't know how many you
guys went to college. I don't know how many. I'm
sure a lot of you guys went to high school.
Imagine show your first day of class and the teacher
gave you a test, and you don't know what the
hell us own?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, no, no, no, no, you knows the class.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You in the history class, You in a science class,
you're in a chemistry class and the first day you
show up and you go ooh, whoa, what did you
do that? Hell, you ain't even give me the syllabus.
You didn't even tell me what we're gonna be doing.
What were gonna be going over this.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Quarter this semester like we're in church.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Now, go ahead. It's tough chat. And look, y'all know me.
I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done
or you don't. But having played this game, having been
a guy that's been in the situation that should do
that didn't get a whole lot of reps. But and
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when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's
hard to have confidence going into a game. I can
just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go
in a game when you're taking no reps. I've never
thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to
Jerry Judy is Patt and go and warming up. I've
never thrown at these guys. The center's never had snapped
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me the ball because normally when I'm throwing Pat and
go o Jo, they throwing the ball underhand. The ball
boys throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that.
The centers are down there, the lineman the down there
working on some other stuff. So until we come as
a team to stretch, then they go do you know,
we break up and they go do their thing until
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we come together and do nine o seven or whatever
we're gonna do. Or they got the individual piers and
then we have our individual peers and then we come together.
But I just think the thing is is that that
he just needs some time. He needs to work with
that offense. They need to get his use to his cadence.
Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skills
set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in.
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I definitely think we'll see a better should Dour next
week if he if he's just if he starts, I
guarantee you we'll see a better should Dour than than
what we saw.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's one thing when opportunity presents itself, If you're prepared,
it looks different.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You're a lot more confident.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But if you don't know what to prepare for or
don't have the tools at your disposal to be able
to prepare for said tests.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
This is what you get.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Exactly, Oh Joe, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons.
So cannons and musket nah, dang, how they're doing it
now they're doing it with drones. So hey, they a
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they drop dropping buck bunkertbusters from beefifty twos.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A bunker a bunker buster, it's a whole Uh. Yeah,
they got those bombs.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now, Oh Joe, you drop because they people, you know,
they done dug into sign of the Cave.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They drop them and they they mess up the whole
bunker huh and then explode.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
The Eagles defeat the Lions about to score sixteen to nine.
Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Me, personally, I think that was a horrible passing affairs call.
That is a play on because you know it could
have win either way. But I don't thinking that.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I personally don't think it was a p I. Oh yes,
I don't, But that's being said. The Eagles win this
ball game. They moved to eight and two with a
sixteen to nine victory, and the Liars dropped.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Sixty four.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
O Joe. We're gonna talk about this a little later.
But there was a meeting between AJ Brown and the owner,
Jeffrey Lorie. We'll talk about that. So I had it
didn't happen, because you know, y'all gonna get mad at
Ocho and I for talking about it. Y'all gonna say
it didn't happen, although everybody has reported it that it
had happened. You keep telling Ocho and I there's nothing
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going on. But normally players and owners don't have closed
door meetings.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's no.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I've never had a close I did once I was retired,
you know what I'm saying. But anyway, o Jo, the
Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was
fourteen to twenty eight, one hundred and thirty five yards,
no touchdowns, no interceptions. Again he didn't turn the ball over.
He had one fumber, but they ended up recovering it.
Saquan was twenty six of eighty three, nothing to write
home about.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Forty rush attempts one hundred and forty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
The wind was gusting, I think probably excess of thirty
forty miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing
what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh
where the wind swirls and it get hard. You know,
points are gonna bring out a premium, and we know
how Dan Campbell is, he's very aggressive. But I thought
the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were gonna
be a premium and it wasn't gonna be a ball game,
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ojoll where you're gonna get thirty one, twenty eight, thirty five,
thirty four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So points were gonna be at a premium. But what
did you like about what you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Saw from I mean, listen, they were resilient. Huh, they
were resilient. They obviously they weren't carried by the offense.
The offense did just enough. AJ Brown had had somewhat
of a down night.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Eleven target, had eleven.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Targets, he courted seven of those. He had forty nine yards.
I mean Sa Kuan, you know, had twenty six carried
for eighty three yards. But the defense dominated. The defense dominated.
The fact that as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is,
I mean, they were held in check. They were helding
in check. Golfers golfer fourteen to thirty seven, he had
one TV, he had an interception. They were able to
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help hold Gibbs Sonic is Gibbs Sonic. Hey, listen, they
was though a hold in twelve carried for thirty nine yards. No, yeah, yeah,
wall hold on yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But he got it in the past, so he got
If you look at you, he had one hundred and
seven yards receiving five carries, five catches. So he got
his He got his yard from scrimmage. He just didn't
get him the way we conventionally.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that god damn that, that god
damn Eagles defense on for them, boy, and play some
goddamn ball, especially that front four. Jordan Davis had him,
had him at night to night, Jayleen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
How many balls did they bat down on Joe five, six.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Seven, Maybe, if I'm not mistake, maybe about seven eight,
maybe about seven and eight.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Cause Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three,
Carter got three, got two, ninety seven, got more. I
mean every time I turn around and it's fussed, so
fussrating cause you know you're like, oh ya, I got it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Matter of fact, listen, And all it is is is
just being able to disengage. If you can't get to
the quarterback, use your eyes, use your eyes.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Hold hold your hold, your hold the officive player out.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane,
which with your hands and you know, wash the quarterback's eyes.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And it worked.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It worked wonderfully.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Jalen Phillips had had a sack to night and listen
in the back end. They played very well as well.
They played really really good. I mean, honestly, it was
a boring game. It was somewhat of a boring game.
It was a boring game. The elements played a factor
in that. But I enjoyed it and the fact that
offensively the Eagles didn't look to par as we liked
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them to look. But they still got the most important
stat They got the W.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That's what they do. They're not I mean, they don't.
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
There have been times they need to score thirty five
and they scored thirty five. Sometimes they need to score ten,
they score ten. They do what is necessary to win,
and they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just
felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit
too early, too soon. There are times that you know,
punt the ball away and pin them down, make them
go to don't give them a short feel. Golf turned
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the ball over early, and I think they got three
points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home
field because anybody they could potentially play, unless it's the
Rams gonna they're gonna probably be outside of and the conditions,
you know what the conditions are there in January, they're
gonna probably be.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Like this, maybe even worse.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So you don't know because when you when you look
at the schedule, let's see, Philly is the one seed,
probably only gonna get one team out of that division.
Uh Green Bay Chicago, those are two teams that could
possibly get in.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Guess what, Ojoe. The weather is bad there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Uh so Philly is bad, the Rams, Seattle, Seattle, you know,
Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them.
But I just thought, you look, it's a lot. It's tough.
I could just imagine because Jalen has an answer questions
not about Detroit but about aj and and it's it's
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it's starting to buy, like, man, I want to focus
on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard
because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in
the game plan to make me I ain't going through
my progression throwing the AJ throwing the AJ, and that
got Golf into trouble because Golf had the time, had
to tie the end on the shallow cross.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But he's looking for arm and rock.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
What happens on you a lot of times when the
tight end blocks, they're taught. Unless he's the guy that
is covering him, man, unless he's green dogging, he's taught. Okay,
start looking for crosses. Start looking. And so what happened
is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogg
which means he is not a pressing so he starts
looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross,
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but ball, yeah, but he's looking at arm and rod
because he'd already made his mind up where he's doing
with the football and it's hard to undo that. And
you see j mctgoermy Is Montgomery is jumping up in
the down there in the middle of field like I'm open.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The tight end was was scott free. Uh you see
golf playing with gloves on.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
But I think it just got frustrated because he had
some opportunities and then they backed the ball right back
down in his face like we were playing beach volleyball
and it's tough.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
It was frustrating to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
But look, the Eagles are gonna Look the Eagles, They're
not gonna win style points and winning is This is
not gymnastics, This is not swimming, you know, platform diving
or anything like that. We're subjective. No, this is about
wins and losses. And how do we get the win
is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got
the win, not how we got it is that and
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that's what the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That's what the Eagles do, O Joe. The Eagles win.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
It ain't pretty, it's not pretty.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And the one thing it's also when I'm thinking about
a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking.
In a sense, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna
take some chances. I'm gonna go forward on four down
to see if I can get those points in premium
due to the elements and force the Eagles to play
a different style of game, forcing them play a different
style of game and put the pressure on them to
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be able to put points up and.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Keep up with us.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
To me, that that, to me, that's the thinking and
the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how
you want to play this game. Let's get up early
on them and force them to be able to throw
the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable, let's do let's put
them in a position where they want to do something
they don't want to do. And that's the only thing
in the defense. They step up to the challenge. They
step into the challenge and play it extremely well.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
If you got Laporter, I give you that because he's
a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties.
So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against,
considering the elements, that probably seventeen points would win you
this ball game. The last thing you want to do
is give away, give away field position and let them
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get easy points. If you coach, if they drive the
field and they get a field, they get a field goal.
If they drive the field, they get a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Get with that.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Put them on a short field and get let them
get one field goal, and now that excuse me, let
them get one first down, and now they're in field
goal range, or even if they don't score, they're gonna
have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying
to swim up. I feel like a sam and spinning season.
I feel like I'm swimming upstream and they're a lake
full of bears. This every every hey they get full
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because they hid. They gotta eat all they can because
they're about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened
to the Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short
feels and even when they didn't score points, O Joe,
it kept them backed up and they just needed they
just needed to start one. I mean, they did a
great job of stopping the touch push uh and gotta
and got a short feel end up getting a field
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goal out of it. Uh and But like I said,
it had been very interesting to see if they don't
call that PI call, can they go down and get
a touchdown? I put it like this, I'm not putting
no money that means something to me that they're gonna
go down get a touchdown. You might put some money
on it that means something to you. Just said, Okay, yeah, Detroit, Detroit,
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go to go down and get a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You know what's funny is I don't I don't think
it would have made a difference. I don't think it
would have made a difference whether it was a pr
or not. I don't think they would have been able
to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles
played defense all night long, all four quarters. You know,
it looked like it looked like what it did. They
were able to they were able to get nine points.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Nine points.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We talked, we talk about a ramp, it's about the rams.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
We talk about a lion's team that's that's able to score.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know, in Bolt.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
There's number two and scored the average at almost thirty two.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Again, So for them to come out today, and I'm
not gonna blame the elements, I'm not gonna blame the weather,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
At all, because we both teams had to play exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
And we've seen them playing cold weather before and still
be able to put up points, you know, at will.
So I think the Eagles they played one one hell
of a game on all three levels, on all three levels,
they were phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
It did.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And the thing is, thought, Joe, what you know about
dome teams. There's a reason why dome teams don't go
to the Super Bowl unless they're and their own building.
Because when you have to go outside and you have
to normally late January, the weather's bad, you go to Philly,
or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you
go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're
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a dome weather team, it's really not conducive.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Normally. You look at the Rams.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
They got to the super Bowl house, they had a
home field when they didn't have home field.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I mean, the only warm weather team that I can
remember going on the road to get to the super
Bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road
to Philly and they beat Philly in Philly, and it
took a herculean effort from the defense because the offense
really didn't do anything. Ronde Barbier ended up getting like
a ninety yard pick six something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
But it's very tough.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So Detroit got their work cut out for him if
they want to get to where they want to be,
and it's not going to be easy because I don't know,
if you notice, Chicago's playing really really well, that quarterback
is getting more and more comfortable.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Hold on and Green Bays has found.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
A way to win.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know, George
loved you need to realize he had to go to
the tent because all of a sudden he like, I'm
Derrick Henry, Why oh no, you're not. Until the ten
he went and ended up going inside until he figured out, like, Noah, bro,
you can't. You can't take shots, so you can't take
shots on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
If you look at the Eagles, oh Joe, they've beaten.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
The Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams,
and the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
With the exception.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions.
I mean maybe the Vikings still are. But the Chiefs,
although they're ninth in the division that all you need
to takes to seven, they're still there the outside chests
that they could, you know, win the division. But the Rams,
they're clearly in so possession up because they beat the
they beat today. So to beat the Lions, to beat
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the Packers, to beat the Bucks, to beat the Rams,
to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now
you're just not gonna just go in there and Willie
Nelly just just go roll over them. So if you
think that's what's gonna happen, that ain't happening. They're two,
they're they're very well coached, and I know a lot
of people don't like their offense, and Kevin Patula la
la la, They're not They're not gonna beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You're gonna have to beat them.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Jerry got worst completion percentage in a single game in
his career o Jo thirty seven point eight percent tonight,
the ninth lowest marked by quarterback who has at least
thirty five attempts since two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
The Eagles defense getting again, so basically one forty eight,
one forty eight, and so they had about two hundred
and seventy yards eight seven.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
You know, it's funny we have all this, all this
discourse and all this talk about a J. Brown and
the offense and not living up to the standards and
evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did
last year, and Sequon really hasn't had a day yet,
uh what we're.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Used to seeing.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I think at some point they will hit, they stride.
At some point, I think things are going to open up.
That offense is going to change, especially, I think it's
going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only
are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly,
but I think at some point maybe that momentum or
they catch fire at the right time when it matters most.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Now.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I mean, obviously they're winning games ugly. The defenses is
carrying the load and probably the main or the majority
reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense
catches up to where the defense is and maybe maybe
just maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway, I think they're
going to be a force to record, but especially once
they get to the goddamn playoffs. And there's a good
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chance if they keep playing like then defensively, and if
the offense gets any better or any look more efficient,
especially on the ground and they running, they have a
healthy balance of both.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Man, it's gonna be hell on, it's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
But we know at some point in time, one team
offense is gonna have their way with that defense, and
then the offense is gonna have to bail them out.
We've seen it, We've seen it happen no matter what. Everybody,
everybody has a game in which if whatever your strong
suit is, you struggle and the other side of the
ball needs to bail you out.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
And it's normally the side that have struggled.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So the offense is really struggled, but the defense has
been exemplary. So what happens when an offense opposing team,
offense has their way with that defense, and I'm saying,
you know, somehow they get you know, twenty eight, get
thirty one points. Now we're gonna need Kaylans, we gonna
needfense to go match that and go get thirty two,
get thirty three, get thirty four points. So we know
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that game is coming. We don't know who is gonna be. Uh,
maybe it's the.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Cowboys, because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
A everything out of the window. Don't look how bad
the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys has played like
some stir fright this year. But against a division opponent,
you throw every you throw, you throw everything out of
the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles,
eight and two on the season, dropped the Lions to
six and four with a score of sixteen to nine.
Jordan Davis ojo end of the night with three batted balls.
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He finished with a tie for the league lead with six,
so he had three, Carter probably had two ninety seven.
I think I think that's funt I'm not mistaken had
had one, but uh they won. They played well. They
they handled the elements, the conditions better than Detroit did,
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because you know, you do how do I practice that?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
O Jo?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I normally practice him. A don't. So they probably went outside.
I'm sure they went out Detroit right now.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
It's colding Detroit, yeah, and knowing and knowing listen, knowing
Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and
what you're gonna have to I mean, what going to
be like on Sunday. We're gonna practice outside Wednesday, Thursday
and Friday.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Before the game, reports came out from ESPN. Sam peal Antonio,
the guy that knows all things Eagles. He's been covering
the Eagles for probably forty years. Aj Brown met with
Eagles on a Jeffrey Lowie during practice last week to
hash out Brown's public frustration over his Rolling Phillies offense.
During the ten minute meeting, Brown promised Lourie that he
would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lourie that
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he just wants to be a part of an offense
and it's frustrated, all right. Chack Ay Eagle fan, me
and O Joe, they know what he was talking about
we just making stuff up.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Now, how many times?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
How many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lewie,
He's on this team for two decades, met with a
player about something that he was posting on social media,
met with a player about his roll in the offense,
his rolling defense.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
This is ay chat. This is only for Eagle fans.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't want anybody else to t try me in
because O Joe and I were just doing this for clicks.
Mainly you up because Oho, oh Jo cool, We like Oho,
but it's mainly you.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
So Eagles fans.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
I want y'all to tell me the time that your
owner has met with a previous player over his role
in the offense or the defense.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to chime
in now.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Uh And like I said, Oho, I understood from the beginning.
My only thing was, I said, AJ, is just that
when you do this publicly and winning, and you say
your goal is to win and you're winning, the fans
are not gonna look at it like man, I want
to be involved because I want to take this offense
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to the next level. They're gonna look at it as
you're complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stacked.
That's how it's gonna be. Yes, So my thing was
just keep it behind closed door. He probably kept it
behind closed door, Oh Joe, all the stuff absolutely until
you open the door.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
It all absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And the funny thing about it too is, you know what,
I think. I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors.
I think he's those conversations with Jalen. I think he's
had those conversations with coach Siriani and he might have.
He might have because this has been going on since
last year. It's been going on since last year, so
I think the conversations have already been had and he
hasn't been heard because nothing has changed.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Nothing has changed. But what ja a J.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Brown has to understand. This offense is run a certain way.
It's always run a certain way. And the way that
they do it, Jay ja Yeah, Jalen Hurst does not
put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to
take the chances like Anon Rodgers. He's not going to
take the chances chances like a like a Brett Favre
or a gun slinging quarterback. I'm gonna I'm gonna make
the right reads. I'm gonna do the right things with
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the ball, and I'm not going to put my team
in harm's way, in harms way and have us behind
the eight ball when it comes to playing football. And
that's just that's the nature of the biggest in the
way they do things. I think the Eagles like the
kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty,
it's it's not ecessthetically pleasing. He's not gonna go out
there and so for no. Four hundred, five hundred yards,
that's not the offense. It doesn't ask for him to
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do that. But when time come, when time's come and
you put him in situations where he has to beat
you with his arm, we've seen him do it. Hell
a lah last year in the Super Bowl, they weren't
allowing Saeon to get.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Diddley Diddley squad.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
What did he do? He used his arm and he
won the game. This year, things don't look like it should.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
They're not able to run the ball. Hell they're not
even throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well, they get in his first, but what are they
doing They being carried by the defense. That's why I
think at some point the roles are gonna reverse. This's
gonna be a game just like you said, with a defense,
they gonna get had. They're gonna be a team that's
gonna be able to take advantage of him. And if
funny thing about it, You think about the teams that
have the opportunity or have a chance to put up
multiple points and have an offensive scoring high volume output.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
You think about the Chiefs, they beat the Chiefs here.
You think about the Lions tonight.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
They's going twenty seven to twenty eight, almost thirty eight games,
not yet.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
It's gonna be a team you least expected.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
It's gonna be a team you least expected, and they
gonna have they goddamn way, and it's gonna it's gonna
come time. Well, Jaylen Hurt's gonna have to step up
and even gonna beat you with your arm or Sai
Kung gonna do what you do on the ground like
he did last year that he hasn't been able to
do yet this year.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
This offense is built to play with the lead because
of the way they play is running pass. A lot
of teams pass to run, so Ojo, you're afraid of
us throwing the football, So now you play coverage, we
can run into a light box. So the way the
Eagles are built, they're built to run. And then we're
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gonna pass. We're gonna dictate. You know, we're not gonna
let you dictate when we passed. But they normally pass
and it's third and short. Well, guess the Eagles in
trouble is when it's third and long and they're having
to pass.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
In football, see when it's third and short. O Yo,
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I could run it with Saquan, or I can use
Hurts legs, or I can do something quick screened Jalen
screen to a Davante quick something quick pop to Goddard.
They get into trouble when you start to start thirty ten,
thirty twelve. That's when they get into trouble. And so
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they do a great job of knowing. That's where we're
vulnerable at staying out of situations like that. But give
them credit. They want tonight played the elements better. That's
what you have to do when you're at home, O
Joe A. We're in our environment with Eagles playing. We
practiced outside.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
And one problem I do have about watching the game
tonight the fact that I can steal I don't play
for the Eagles. I don't play for the Egings, but
I watch a lot of football, and I watched the
Eagles all season long.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Hell, I watch every guy damn team.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
But the fact that I can tell you based on
AJ Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly where I
he's running, that's not good.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
That's not good because if I.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Know it, and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching
the games each and every Sunday, what do you think
those that are that are playing across from are doing.
He had eleven talk I think he had maybe eleven
targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff
over and over and over on if he lines up
two yards outside the number, if he's by hisself, he's
running the hitch, if he if he's if he's at
the top of it, or the slam. If it's if
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it's two by two and Sweeney's on the side with him,
or the Titans on the side with him, he's off
the ball, he's running the slant. It's like the same thing.
If he if he's inside, he's running the quick out.
I mean, it's it's just or the stick, right, It's
just the same that there there's really no creativity and
then putting it, and they.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Like to put him on the left hand side, on you,
they like to throw him the go ball on.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
The your hand side. If you not that a lot
of his goal balls on the left side.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I mean, so I understand, I understand his frustrations.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Not only is he not putting up the numbers he
liked to, but you know what's actually coming based on
his alignment and where he is is route recognition, formation recognition,
and the tendencies.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
The tendencies are the same
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Or you're gonna make ocho crime.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh Joe, The Ravens beat the Brian Browns by the
score of twenty three to sixteen. But what overshadowed that
was should Door Sanders getting his first taste up and
yeah action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter
and went out of the ball game, excuse me, and
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did not return.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Shador came in your door.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stats was four of sixteen forty seven yards, zero touchdown
and interception. He had a couple opportunities laying the ball game.
He had a couple of drops. He had a couple
of drops. Look and uh listening to I found it
on social media for Kevin Stefaski to say the first
time that Shadur Sanders had taken a snap with the
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starters with the ones was in this game.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's malpractice.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
At no point in time and this is what I said,
Oh Joe, So at no point in time, So you
don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He can't possibly bring a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that
you want to get. Should like one reps with the ones,
two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it
three fifty. I understand that. But even when John was
taking the majority of the refs, John, if we did
ten reps in the period, the backup, we take two
just in case. So for Shador Sanders, the hell we
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are in weak eleven. The man got drafted in May
and at no point in time had he taken one
snap with the ones.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's very very disappointed, you know, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, Look not not only is it disappointing, right,
and a lot of people say, hey, listen, yo, you
and uncle we were you were screaming for Shador to start.
You wanted to get in there and look to look
at the stat line, look at look at what he did.
Well obviously I'm i'm I'm I'm confused, and I'm trying
to understand. Uh, this this ain't Madden. You don't you
don't just you don't just take out one quarterback and
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put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially
when you haven't had any reps with the Ones. When
it comes to the play calling. When it comes to
the play calling, what play calls are you're going to
be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had
any reps with the Ones?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You don't know what he does well, what he doesn't done?
What he you don't know what he does well, you
don't know what he what what he's.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not going to be good at because there's there there's
there's no chemistry, there's no chemistry. So you're just out
there calling plays all willy liy, not knowing how the
offense can run. And I know, as a quarterback, you're
supposed to be You're supposed to be prepared, you're supposed
to know, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you've
got to be able to go in there and do
what you can do. But like, come on, no, no
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reps at all? Ask your question, no reps up, No,
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Normally on Saturday, Dylan, on Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will
tell Stefanski these that I like.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Every quarterback does that, Every quarterback does that on.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Every quarterback does that.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So do you think he had any idea of the
plays that your door likes or he's just gonna call
plays just oh, har's my play sheet. That's calling because
you build your play you build your play sheet around
the quarterback and what he likes, what he's good, what
he's good at, what you know he's good at. You
don't even know what you do is good at. Now
it's gonna be very interesting. Look at this play. Now
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you got you got three guys blocking one guy and
somebody about to come in and hear your door daann
is mouth free.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Now what should have happened?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It was to redirect you slide the line to the
left and now guess what, you got the guard or
the center of the hit that guy that's looping around
and now you're protected. But hey, the uh, the the
the the old line is gonna have to make calls
until your door gets get a.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Get catch up. Get he's not.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There right now to say no, no, no, no no, I
want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect, let's lise this,
let's lise this, let's losey this. Now we're gonna slide
the line to the left. Now, we're gonna take Ay,
you only got one guy rushing up the right, Why
the hell we got three guys and now we got
a guy fid to come in here and try to
put his helmet up under Shador's kin.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So it's gonna be very interesting this week. Uh, I'm
sure Gaber is gonna be in protocol. We'll see if
he if she is gonna get the start against I
think they played the Raiders, Joe. I think they played
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders,
and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps,
all the ones, and Stefansk will have an idea what
he likes and will call plays accordingly.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And honestly is very important to uh for for Stefanski
to understand and know what this quarterback likes to do,
because it allows you to call plays and put them
in advantageous situations for you. It just it just makes
your job easier. It just makes your job easier as
a head coach. And for a quarterback to nobody likes,
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so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean,
it's really easiest. It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not
about your door, Sanders. It's about putting our players in
positions for them to succeed and give us our best
chances to win.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I give you a private example, O joke, when I
was at the starter my first couple of years, they
would put me in the game. But when I came
in the game, guess what, I know we can run
because it's like, Okay, when you come in the game,
this is what we're running. This is gonna be your
opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback,
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We're go, I don't care what the coverage is, We're
expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay,
in this situation, we're gonna bump this coverage. If they
bumped with it, that means this man coverage, you're gonna
be one on one insight lineback with this side leverage.
So we're gonna call a play where you're breaking away.
So I knew. Now if I'm just like all of
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a sudden going the game and they're not calling plays
for me, I just got I just now. Quarterbacks, always,
you go listen to Brady, You go listen to Manny,
go listen to a breathing any men, any of these quarterback.
They say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over
the Saturday night or day day of the game. This
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is what I really like. Normally is Saturday night and
you come and say, okay, so what do you like?
So Brady and Manny would say, I got these what
many called.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
His own things.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So'sten, let's do Brady breathing all these other guys. There's like,
this is what I like. This is what I like
in this thirty one to three, thirty three to five,
thirty five to seven. This is what I really really like. Now,
this is what I like, Hey, in this area of
the field. This is what I like in the red zone.
This is what I like out of this personnel because
I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to
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get this coverage which gives us a benefit, or that
get to give us advantage. So all that's going through
the mind. But for a quarterback on Joe not to
get no reps, I'm talking about none.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah see, And I was like, what I mean, listen
to Mary kay cabinet looking and listen to people that
they're they're saying, your door is not getting any reps.
As a matter of fact, Bailey, it'll be very interesting
if somebody should have asked him, Well, let me ask
you this, coach, Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Did Bailey Zappi get any reps with the ones?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Because it makes no sense if Bailey Zappie is getting
reps with the ones? And then why would you push
your door in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappi
is too.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, and that's funny.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And you know what the piggyback off what you said
about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before
games start on plays that they're comfortable and some of
the things that they want to do, for one, especially
early in the game, to get him in the rhythm.
And you mentioned Brady and hell I was there. I
was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I've seen it the night before in the hotel on
Saturdays before when the meeting ends, Billy, the receivers and
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Tom Brady sit there. They go over the plays that
he likes, and Bill O'Brien would run off plays. He'll
he'll call off plays and break you know what I don't.
I don't like that one. You know, let's say that
one you know, for later on the game and a
certain situation when we may need it. And he had
those first those first fifteen plays that he really really
likes and he's comfortable with and that, and that's what
they would go with.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and that's how I should be, because at the
end of the day, you gotta run with the quarterbacks
feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside. Sometimes,
you know, we want to bring our ego to the party,
but it's not your party, so you don't get to
dress how you want to.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We said, this is an eighty things party.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Don't you bring your assis here without a wig, without
an afro and some platform shoes, although choice a bail by.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know what I'm saying, This is not your party.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So you you you you call plays accordingly, because if
the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations,
he's gonna feel the most comfortable when you call that.
He's gonna be the most assured of himself and the offense.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
If you call that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm glad, Like like I said, hopefully, Dylan Gabriel's okay,
first of all, let's start with that because I'm not
big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets
an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity.
That's how breat He got his opportunity. Someone went down
and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity.
Someone went down, and I made the most of it.
But you know, somebody in order to seem like, in
order for you to do it, to get in, Dylan
Gabriel had to get Dean. Hopefully he's okay, Maybe he
comes back, Maybe he comes back this week and we're back.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
To square one.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Oh Joe, Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones
and we're moving forward.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still
in protocol. But I think now that you're in a
situation where there's a great chance there, I believe there's
a greater than fifty percent chance that you're gonna start,
because I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
You prepared differ as a starter than you do backup.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You just not not only do you prepare differently from
the starting to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Now, play calling completely.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Changes, completely different game plan depending on who you have
a quarterback, based on their skill sets and what they're
able to do.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Hm, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But uh, you know, things a lot faster than in
the NFL than they are in college.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Guys move faster, got you. You gotta throw guys open.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like that guy he threw the fanning the tight
end forty four on the crosser on the dagger route.
I thought he'd throw that with timing. Uh, you hit
Jue with one and Jewe made a great move. Uh
he had another one. A couple of guys dropped one
eighty four, had one in his hand.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But give a wood. Yeah, credit, he's a great play. Great, Yeah,
it was a great play. That was a great play.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But when you have a young player in there, having
been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you
have a young guy in you have to make plays
for him, you understand that he's nervous. I don't care
what anybody says he's nervous. I've been here before. I've
been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing
it on this level all your life. You ain't did
it like this with those guys all your life. So
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hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity, he'll be better
prepared than he was, and uh, we'll get a different
rep also in this game, Miles Miles.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Game, Hey man eight and he's the real deal.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is he gonna bring?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He got seven games to go, so he needs he
needs eight sacks to break the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Record, and he might very well get that. He might
and know they got the Ravens again. He might he
they got the Ravens. Hold on, I think they got
Pittsburgh they got again. He definitely might because he had
three today, right, did he have three or four?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Uh, they got the at the Raiders, they get the
forty nine ers Titans at home. There at the Bears,
they get the Bills at home. They get the Steelers
at home, they get the Bengals on now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Now the best matchup at everybody you said will be
probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles
Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dion Dalkons and
every everybody else on there. And there's no disrespect to them,
but you got your hands full.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh everybody got their hands you got you got.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Your hands full.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And obviously what's you called Trent got his hands.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh oh yeah, oh shoot, that's big.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, everybody got your hands full. Cold Miller everybody because
he kicking everybody. He's he's on he's on one of
those He's on one of those tears right now. It
doesn't matter who's in front of He don't even see you.
He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest, having been around,
having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the
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Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I played against Leslie O'Neill. Go look him up and
you don't know the.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Greg Townsend all though, the Michael spray hands when they
get into a rhythm. Ye, it ain't nothing you can do,
nothing you can do. It's just like a guy shooting
the basket. Like Jordan, They say, Jordan getting a zone
or step getting the zone? Does it matter if you
put your hand, you know, they put their hand in
his face like it' he ain't even looking at you.
He looked at them and he he's starting a pebble
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in the ocean. That's how big it looks to it.
There's a chance, o Joe, it happened to happened. I
don't think it's happened since ninety two when core Taz
Kennedy won the defensive Player of the Year on the
losing team. I think they were two and fourteen and
teds won the defensive player of the year. That might
happen because right now my minths Gar is the best
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defensive player.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He's easily, without question.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, I mean, he is soaked man, he is
so for a man his size to move like he does,
the way he can bend, the way he can change
the direction, the way he.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can with one m the way he can say he faking.
I mean he lined up and he ah ah, he in,
and he's waxed, all wax off. He ripping, he bend
to the edge. He can bump you.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He he has when it comes to when it comes
to Russian, he has no weakness because he can turn power.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
He can turn power to speed speed, the power he
just he can snatch pull you. He just he's just amazing.
He's he's and I just hate, I just.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hate that he ain't gonna win, not even listen, he
might not win the team collectively, but he's gonna win individually.
He's gonna win individually every every time and sometimes in
the in the winning effort defensively, sometimes in the losing effort.
But what you get from Miles Garretts you get consistency.
You get consistency from him, and he's gonna be an
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impact sometimes that impact of results and wins. Sometimes it doesn't.
But he's a force to be waking. He's a force
to be wrecked with week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And the thing is, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But if we talk about great defenders when it comes
to d line and what did all of them do? When?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, what did Reggie do? Yeah? What did straight hand do?
What did lt do? What did Aaron Donald do? JJ? Watt?
What you've you've got? You've got?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, But you know, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Saying you got to win a championship. But I'm not
saying you got to win that.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's unfair.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You going three and fourteen, you going five to twelve.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
But it's unfair, it's unfair. You have to think about
the situation those players, those players were in. You better
think about the team that they were on collectively, you know,
as a group. So they won because of the team
that they were a part of. There was an effort
on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for
Aaron Donald, Michael straighthand look at the defense back then,
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look at the offense with Eli Mannings, some of the
things they were doing, you know during that time, hell
Reggie white but you got a regular with Reggie white Man.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You got to think about what the what the the
Giants were before they got Oh yeah, you got to
realize what they before they got Carrie Collins ended up
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
They weren't going to They weren't going to no playoffs
in the nineties. They weren't like that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Hey, all it takes is a quarterback straight was doing it.
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, But and and and guess what.
Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie, I'm going to Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, the money, they had money, but they had more
money on us at other places. I want to win, time,
said may Larna. Y'all trying to get me used to losing.
I want to win, got them. So at what point
in time does Miles guests say, Man, here I am,
I'm getting twenty three, twenty four sacks and.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I ain't even ain't I ain't even I ain't even
sni in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm not even close to the playoffs, that my season
is already over.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Think about it, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We ate ten games into the season and the Cleveland
is already no they're living.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
For I mean, that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You six games, six weeks into the season, Shoe we goto.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
We got eleven twelve weeks to go? All right, hey, man,
let me see what. Let me see what.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And the funny thing about it is there a team
that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There
were teams that tried to get him, man, and listen,
I don't know the details. I'm not an insider. I
don't I don't have the sources. But you know, the
Browns aren't going to do that. I don't think there's
anything a team could offer them where they would have
done it, because I think a team that need.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, no, not not now. No, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't think I'll be personally, I don't think he
wanted to leave in because he's on a great he's
on a great pace right now. I think that's something
they might revisit in the because I'm gonna make a
I'm gonna make you tell me like Beetlejuice, beatle Juice,
you're gonna have to tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
No, you know you got to tell me. Do you
got to tell me? I ain't gonna lie to you.
Gotta tell me, Dough.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because, uh, he's a man, he's a hell of a
he's a hell of a hell of a.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Player, the real deal, and uh, he.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Got an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He's gonna go down as one of the all time breaks.
But I want to see if I want to see
him on the all time I want to see him
on a big stage. I want to see him in
the AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see
him in the super Bowl. I want everybody to see
Miles Garrett, not just I want him to see just
how special he.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And I have to see it watching highlights, because you
got to you're watching the exact thing about it.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
You know, as as great as he is.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean, how many people are tuning in to see
the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans, unless unless
it's the team that they're playing, Unless the team that
they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about
the That's about the only time.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, going back to Shador, why Tailor said after the game,
this is what he said. Why Tailor said, on your door,
I think I've heard this Caden two or three times.
I think it's going to come. I think going out
at halftime, we all got on the line. He said,
it's cadence, and we're kind of okay. Got through it again.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
A lot of learning, but but he played his heart out.
We just fell short.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Gabriel got practice snapped as a backup with Flaco at
QB one. Stefanski wasn't even getting your door his back
up at least minimal reps during the course of the week.
I get Flaco to a certain Stanel show because Flaco
is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want
to try to get him as many reps as you
possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not
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saying you split it fifty to fifty. I'm not even
saying you split it sixty forty. But you can't get
you can't find a way to get that man two
reps in. So the offensive line, the running backs and
everybody can hear his cadence.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And understand that, because that's very important. Some people have
a slow cadence.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Some people have a fast cadence you got and you
need to be able to hear it. So I was
I was surprised that that Stefanski said that man since
the man got drafted, you know they had the drafted.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now, yeah, you know how long ago it was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But they is the day is Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They sixteenth November sixteenth, June, July augu September, October, November sixth.
You have to understand the first time that man got
first team reps was today in a n actual game
against the Debate.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You understand that that wasn't their call. That is not
the player that they wanted.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They had.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They had their mind made up.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They had their mindset on who they wanted to be,
you know, quarterback number one.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Obviously it was Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were
going to Dylan Gabriel as their as their as their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
They did.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know now that that's their business. That's that's the
way they felt.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel
went out with a concussion hoping I'm hoping he's okay
and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program
for the Browns, being that he is the one that
they wanted to be their starter. So I'm hoping he's
okay and he's able to come back once he clear
concussion protocol. But now if Dylan Gabriel is out, now
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Schudor has.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
A whole week.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
He has a whole week to get all those things down,
to get that rhythm, to get that tim and get
that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen so they
can hear that cadence and understand understand you know the
sound and how he going to call his plays in
the huddle, and obviously had the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Let's take a listen to what your door had to
say after the game, Ojoe.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But it's different when it's different body types going out there,
a different way how people get out of routes. Like
what I've seen on the pick initially was I see
his hips turn, So I'm like, Okay, we're gonna be
able to get out there. But at the same time,
like playing quarterback is extremely hard, So it's like I
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like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing
the small things with the good at what the not
good at. It's like so many details that that that
that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know,
you know we at the bottom right now, just performance everything.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It will never be like this, but.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
You know, I'm dedicated to to to being able to
get those opportunities with those guys too. Have a relationship.
You know, I got relationship with all the hungry dogs though.
We let clockwork out there, but you just got to
see you just got to see everything a little bit more.
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You know, them come out a roust, them do all
different type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So you want to go to the next sound.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Before we responded, let's take a listen to what Miles
Garrett you can say about your door.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
After the game.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I don't don't be discouraged from no one drive or
two drives. It's a good football team over there. So
just trying to keep him to keep his confidence high
and uh, don't keep on that standard what he said,
and we're going to continue to support them. He spoke
after the game and you know he wanted to depend
it on himself and his performance, but we're not gonn
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allow him to do that. You know, it's it's a
team game, so we're all this together, just the entire team.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
In the lockers.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Still you know what to uncle as a receiver and
n you can you can attest to this and with
great understanding and and those you in the chat that
that are listening, I don't think they understand how important
it is to have a cadence with your receivers, to
understand and and and to work with them, you know,
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throughout the week, so to understand their movements, you know
their their tendencies, and and when they're going to break,
when they're going to get out and being able to
being able to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I think people think.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You just you get out there and you you just
throw the ball to your receivers, and it's just that easy.
It's just that easy. But there's there's there's a time
and cadence to it and rhythm to it. That That's
why you always hear players talk about throwing at a
quarterback and you know, and off season and throwing with
them in practice and getting those getting those reps so
everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when
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everything is sped up times ten, and you can tell
and you know when the player is about the break,
based on his mannerism, based on his body language, And
I think people watching the game of football thing is
just so easy. You know, you get the ball and
you just throw it and the guy has to get open.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
But that's not the way it works. When you have
other players.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Everything is easy that you can't do. Everything is easy
that you can't do. What you mean, those that can do,
those that can't, talk about others that can do.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Let me ask you a question on Joe you played
with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow
some some receiver that he didn't throw to during the
course of the week to be out there on the.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Field with him on something because he wouldn't trust you.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Thank you. Neither with Peyton Manning, neither with John Elway.
Because if there's a chance that you gonna get your
ass in the game, you best believe John el Wady
is gonna see you run a dig and cut, an
over route, a slant, a comeback, a stop or smoke
or shake.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
He's gonna see you do it in practice.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And guess what when it comes time to one on one,
guess what he's gonna say. He no don't worry a
t Let him get up there. I want to see
what he can do. I've been with you for seven years.
I've been with you, but he's gonna want to see
what those guys can do. Because if I got to
go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I
need to know I can trust you. I need to
see some matter rhythms. Hey here, tell him, bro, let
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me know where you're gonna break out. Bro, I got
to know what you're gonna break out. You just can't
do that. Make sure you get your depth. Hey, I
can't I can't listen. This is seven on seven. I
can't be pardon the language, chat, I can't be back here.
Jacket his ball, which means he can't be all that.
You get your head knocked off all. No, he can't
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do that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And you hear me say that. Guys, what y'all think
they say is a seven feller.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No, that balls got to come out one two, three
balls out, one two, three, four, five balls out. So
to ask your door to get in a game in
which he has not taken any snap from the center,
He hasn't thrown the judy, he hadn't thrown the handing
or or he hadn't thrown to any of those guys
and expect him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses,
but look, as time progresses, he getting more and more time,
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we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance.
But I think it's unfair to give him a grade.
If I were to give him a grade, I would
say incomplete, incomplete. We asked him to take a t
we asked.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Without studying, without without studying. I mean that's unfair. If
you listen, If you're gonna give me an assignment, right,
at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum
that I can properly study so I can pass the
goddamn tests.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Make it make it fair, make it fair for me.
Just don't out there blind.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I give you chat. I don't know how many you
guys went to college. I don't know how many. I'm
sure a lot of you guys went to high school.
Imagine show your first day of class and the teacher
gave you a test, and you don't know what the
hell us own?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, no, no, no, no, you knows the class.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You in the history class, You in a science class,
you're in a chemistry class and the first day you
show up and you go ooh, whoa, what did you
do that? Hell, you ain't even give me the syllabus.
You didn't even tell me what we're gonna be doing.
What were gonna be going over this.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Quarter this semester like we're in church.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Now, go ahead. It's tough chat. And look, y'all know me.
I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done
or you don't. But having played this game, having been
a guy that's been in the situation that should do
that didn't get a whole lot of reps. But and
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when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's
hard to have confidence going into a game. I can
just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go
in a game when you're taking no reps. I've never
thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to
Jerry Judy is Patt and go and warming up. I've
never thrown at these guys. The center's never had snapped
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me the ball because normally when I'm throwing Pat and
go o Jo, they throwing the ball underhand. The ball
boys throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that.
The centers are down there, the lineman the down there
working on some other stuff. So until we come as
a team to stretch, then they go do you know,
we break up and they go do their thing until
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we come together and do nine o seven or whatever
we're gonna do. Or they got the individual piers and
then we have our individual peers and then we come together.
But I just think the thing is is that that
he just needs some time. He needs to work with
that offense. They need to get his use to his cadence.
Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skills
set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in.
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I definitely think we'll see a better should Dour next
week if he if he's just if he starts, I
guarantee you we'll see a better should Dour than than
what we saw.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's one thing when opportunity presents itself, If you're prepared,
it looks different.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You're a lot more confident.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But if you don't know what to prepare for or
don't have the tools at your disposal to be able
to prepare for said tests.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
This is what you get.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Exactly, Oh Joe, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons.
So cannons and musket nah, dang, how they're doing it
now they're doing it with drones. So hey, they a
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they drop dropping buck bunkertbusters from beefifty twos.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A bunker a bunker buster, it's a whole Uh. Yeah,
they got those bombs.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now, Oh Joe, you drop because they people, you know,
they done dug into sign of the Cave.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They drop them and they they mess up the whole
bunker huh and then explode.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
The Eagles defeat the Lions about to score sixteen to nine.
Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Me, personally, I think that was a horrible passing affairs call.
That is a play on because you know it could
have win either way. But I don't thinking that.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I personally don't think it was a p I. Oh yes,
I don't, But that's being said. The Eagles win this
ball game. They moved to eight and two with a
sixteen to nine victory, and the Liars dropped.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Sixty four.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
O Joe. We're gonna talk about this a little later.
But there was a meeting between AJ Brown and the owner,
Jeffrey Lorie. We'll talk about that. So I had it
didn't happen, because you know, y'all gonna get mad at
Ocho and I for talking about it. Y'all gonna say
it didn't happen, although everybody has reported it that it
had happened. You keep telling Ocho and I there's nothing
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going on. But normally players and owners don't have closed
door meetings.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's no.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I've never had a close I did once I was retired,
you know what I'm saying. But anyway, o Jo, the
Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was
fourteen to twenty eight, one hundred and thirty five yards,
no touchdowns, no interceptions. Again he didn't turn the ball over.
He had one fumber, but they ended up recovering it.
Saquan was twenty six of eighty three, nothing to write
home about.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Forty rush attempts one hundred and forty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
The wind was gusting, I think probably excess of thirty
forty miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing
what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh
where the wind swirls and it get hard. You know,
points are gonna bring out a premium, and we know
how Dan Campbell is, he's very aggressive. But I thought
the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were gonna
be a premium and it wasn't gonna be a ball game,
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ojoll where you're gonna get thirty one, twenty eight, thirty five,
thirty four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So points were gonna be at a premium. But what
did you like about what you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Saw from I mean, listen, they were resilient. Huh, they
were resilient. They obviously they weren't carried by the offense.
The offense did just enough. AJ Brown had had somewhat
of a down night.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Eleven target, had eleven.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Targets, he courted seven of those. He had forty nine yards.
I mean Sa Kuan, you know, had twenty six carried
for eighty three yards. But the defense dominated. The defense dominated.
The fact that as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is,
I mean, they were held in check. They were helding
in check. Golfers golfer fourteen to thirty seven, he had
one TV, he had an interception. They were able to
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help hold Gibbs Sonic is Gibbs Sonic. Hey, listen, they
was though a hold in twelve carried for thirty nine yards. No, yeah, yeah,
wall hold on yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But he got it in the past, so he got
If you look at you, he had one hundred and
seven yards receiving five carries, five catches. So he got
his He got his yard from scrimmage. He just didn't
get him the way we conventionally.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that god damn that, that god
damn Eagles defense on for them, boy, and play some
goddamn ball, especially that front four. Jordan Davis had him,
had him at night to night, Jayleen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
How many balls did they bat down on Joe five, six.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Seven, Maybe, if I'm not mistake, maybe about seven eight,
maybe about seven and eight.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Cause Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three,
Carter got three, got two, ninety seven, got more. I
mean every time I turn around and it's fussed, so
fussrating cause you know you're like, oh ya, I got it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Matter of fact, listen, And all it is is is
just being able to disengage. If you can't get to
the quarterback, use your eyes, use your eyes.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Hold hold your hold, your hold the officive player out.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane,
which with your hands and you know, wash the quarterback's eyes.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And it worked.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It worked wonderfully.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Jalen Phillips had had a sack to night and listen
in the back end. They played very well as well.
They played really really good. I mean, honestly, it was
a boring game. It was somewhat of a boring game.
It was a boring game. The elements played a factor
in that. But I enjoyed it and the fact that
offensively the Eagles didn't look to par as we liked
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them to look. But they still got the most important
stat They got the W.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That's what they do. They're not I mean, they don't.
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
There have been times they need to score thirty five
and they scored thirty five. Sometimes they need to score ten,
they score ten. They do what is necessary to win,
and they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just
felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit
too early, too soon. There are times that you know,
punt the ball away and pin them down, make them
go to don't give them a short feel. Golf turned
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the ball over early, and I think they got three
points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home
field because anybody they could potentially play, unless it's the
Rams gonna they're gonna probably be outside of and the conditions,
you know what the conditions are there in January, they're
gonna probably be.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Like this, maybe even worse.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So you don't know because when you when you look
at the schedule, let's see, Philly is the one seed,
probably only gonna get one team out of that division.
Uh Green Bay Chicago, those are two teams that could
possibly get in.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Guess what, Ojoe. The weather is bad there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Uh so Philly is bad, the Rams, Seattle, Seattle, you know,
Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them.
But I just thought, you look, it's a lot. It's tough.
I could just imagine because Jalen has an answer questions
not about Detroit but about aj and and it's it's
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it's starting to buy, like, man, I want to focus
on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard
because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in
the game plan to make me I ain't going through
my progression throwing the AJ throwing the AJ, and that
got Golf into trouble because Golf had the time, had
to tie the end on the shallow cross.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But he's looking for arm and rock.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
What happens on you a lot of times when the
tight end blocks, they're taught. Unless he's the guy that
is covering him, man, unless he's green dogging, he's taught. Okay,
start looking for crosses. Start looking. And so what happened
is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogg
which means he is not a pressing so he starts
looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross,
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but ball, yeah, but he's looking at arm and rod
because he'd already made his mind up where he's doing
with the football and it's hard to undo that. And
you see j mctgoermy Is Montgomery is jumping up in
the down there in the middle of field like I'm open.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The tight end was was scott free. Uh you see
golf playing with gloves on.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
But I think it just got frustrated because he had
some opportunities and then they backed the ball right back
down in his face like we were playing beach volleyball
and it's tough.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
It was frustrating to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
But look, the Eagles are gonna Look the Eagles, They're
not gonna win style points and winning is This is
not gymnastics, This is not swimming, you know, platform diving
or anything like that. We're subjective. No, this is about
wins and losses. And how do we get the win
is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got
the win, not how we got it is that and
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that's what the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That's what the Eagles do, O Joe. The Eagles win.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
It ain't pretty, it's not pretty.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And the one thing it's also when I'm thinking about
a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking.
In a sense, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna
take some chances. I'm gonna go forward on four down
to see if I can get those points in premium
due to the elements and force the Eagles to play
a different style of game, forcing them play a different
style of game and put the pressure on them to
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be able to put points up and.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Keep up with us.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
To me, that that, to me, that's the thinking and
the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how
you want to play this game. Let's get up early
on them and force them to be able to throw
the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable, let's do let's put
them in a position where they want to do something
they don't want to do. And that's the only thing
in the defense. They step up to the challenge. They
step into the challenge and play it extremely well.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
If you got Laporter, I give you that because he's
a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties.
So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against,
considering the elements, that probably seventeen points would win you
this ball game. The last thing you want to do
is give away, give away field position and let them
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get easy points. If you coach, if they drive the
field and they get a field, they get a field goal.
If they drive the field, they get a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Get with that.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Put them on a short field and get let them
get one field goal, and now that excuse me, let
them get one first down, and now they're in field
goal range, or even if they don't score, they're gonna
have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying
to swim up. I feel like a sam and spinning season.
I feel like I'm swimming upstream and they're a lake
full of bears. This every every hey they get full
(39:22):
because they hid. They gotta eat all they can because
they're about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened
to the Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short
feels and even when they didn't score points, O Joe,
it kept them backed up and they just needed they
just needed to start one. I mean, they did a
great job of stopping the touch push uh and gotta
and got a short feel end up getting a field
(39:42):
goal out of it. Uh and But like I said,
it had been very interesting to see if they don't
call that PI call, can they go down and get
a touchdown? I put it like this, I'm not putting
no money that means something to me that they're gonna
go down get a touchdown. You might put some money
on it that means something to you. Just said, Okay, yeah, Detroit, Detroit,
(40:05):
go to go down and get a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You know what's funny is I don't I don't think
it would have made a difference. I don't think it
would have made a difference whether it was a pr
or not. I don't think they would have been able
to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles
played defense all night long, all four quarters. You know,
it looked like it looked like what it did. They
were able to they were able to get nine points.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Nine points.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We talked, we talk about a ramp, it's about the rams.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
We talk about a lion's team that's that's able to score.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know, in Bolt.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
There's number two and scored the average at almost thirty two.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Again, So for them to come out today, and I'm
not gonna blame the elements, I'm not gonna blame the weather,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
At all, because we both teams had to play exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
And we've seen them playing cold weather before and still
be able to put up points, you know, at will.
So I think the Eagles they played one one hell
of a game on all three levels, on all three levels,
they were phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
It did.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And the thing is, thought, Joe, what you know about
dome teams. There's a reason why dome teams don't go
to the Super Bowl unless they're and their own building.
Because when you have to go outside and you have
to normally late January, the weather's bad, you go to Philly,
or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you
go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're
(41:19):
a dome weather team, it's really not conducive.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Normally. You look at the Rams.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
They got to the super Bowl house, they had a
home field when they didn't have home field.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I mean, the only warm weather team that I can
remember going on the road to get to the super
Bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road
to Philly and they beat Philly in Philly, and it
took a herculean effort from the defense because the offense
really didn't do anything. Ronde Barbier ended up getting like
a ninety yard pick six something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
But it's very tough.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So Detroit got their work cut out for him if
they want to get to where they want to be,
and it's not going to be easy because I don't know,
if you notice, Chicago's playing really really well, that quarterback
is getting more and more comfortable.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Hold on and Green Bays has found.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
A way to win.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know, George
loved you need to realize he had to go to
the tent because all of a sudden he like, I'm
Derrick Henry, Why oh no, you're not. Until the ten
he went and ended up going inside until he figured out, like, Noah, bro,
you can't. You can't take shots, so you can't take
shots on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
If you look at the Eagles, oh Joe, they've beaten.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
The Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams,
and the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
With the exception.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions.
I mean maybe the Vikings still are. But the Chiefs,
although they're ninth in the division that all you need
to takes to seven, they're still there the outside chests
that they could, you know, win the division. But the Rams,
they're clearly in so possession up because they beat the
they beat today. So to beat the Lions, to beat
(43:01):
the Packers, to beat the Bucks, to beat the Rams,
to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now
you're just not gonna just go in there and Willie
Nelly just just go roll over them. So if you
think that's what's gonna happen, that ain't happening. They're two,
they're they're very well coached, and I know a lot
of people don't like their offense, and Kevin Patula la
la la, They're not They're not gonna beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You're gonna have to beat them.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Jerry got worst completion percentage in a single game in
his career o Jo thirty seven point eight percent tonight,
the ninth lowest marked by quarterback who has at least
thirty five attempts since two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
The Eagles defense getting again, so basically one forty eight,
one forty eight, and so they had about two hundred
and seventy yards eight seven.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
You know, it's funny we have all this, all this
discourse and all this talk about a J. Brown and
the offense and not living up to the standards and
evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did
last year, and Sequon really hasn't had a day yet,
uh what we're.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Used to seeing.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I think at some point they will hit, they stride.
At some point, I think things are going to open up.
That offense is going to change, especially, I think it's
going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only
are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly,
but I think at some point maybe that momentum or
they catch fire at the right time when it matters most.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Now.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I mean, obviously they're winning games ugly. The defenses is
carrying the load and probably the main or the majority
reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense
catches up to where the defense is and maybe maybe
just maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway, I think they're
going to be a force to record, but especially once
they get to the goddamn playoffs. And there's a good
(44:55):
chance if they keep playing like then defensively, and if
the offense gets any better or any look more efficient,
especially on the ground and they running, they have a
healthy balance of both.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Man, it's gonna be hell on, it's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
But we know at some point in time, one team
offense is gonna have their way with that defense, and
then the offense is gonna have to bail them out.
We've seen it, We've seen it happen no matter what. Everybody,
everybody has a game in which if whatever your strong
suit is, you struggle and the other side of the
ball needs to bail you out.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
And it's normally the side that have struggled.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So the offense is really struggled, but the defense has
been exemplary. So what happens when an offense opposing team,
offense has their way with that defense, and I'm saying,
you know, somehow they get you know, twenty eight, get
thirty one points. Now we're gonna need Kaylans, we gonna
needfense to go match that and go get thirty two,
get thirty three, get thirty four points. So we know
(45:50):
that game is coming. We don't know who is gonna be. Uh,
maybe it's the.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Cowboys, because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
A everything out of the window. Don't look how bad
the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys has played like
some stir fright this year. But against a division opponent,
you throw every you throw, you throw everything out of
the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles,
eight and two on the season, dropped the Lions to
six and four with a score of sixteen to nine.
Jordan Davis ojo end of the night with three batted balls.
(46:22):
He finished with a tie for the league lead with six,
so he had three, Carter probably had two ninety seven.
I think I think that's funt I'm not mistaken had
had one, but uh they won. They played well. They
they handled the elements, the conditions better than Detroit did,
(46:44):
because you know, you do how do I practice that?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
O Jo?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I normally practice him. A don't. So they probably went outside.
I'm sure they went out Detroit right now.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
It's colding Detroit, yeah, and knowing and knowing listen, knowing
Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and
what you're gonna have to I mean, what going to
be like on Sunday. We're gonna practice outside Wednesday, Thursday
and Friday.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Before the game, reports came out from ESPN. Sam peal Antonio,
the guy that knows all things Eagles. He's been covering
the Eagles for probably forty years. Aj Brown met with
Eagles on a Jeffrey Lowie during practice last week to
hash out Brown's public frustration over his Rolling Phillies offense.
During the ten minute meeting, Brown promised Lourie that he
would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lourie that
(47:28):
he just wants to be a part of an offense
and it's frustrated, all right. Chack Ay Eagle fan, me
and O Joe, they know what he was talking about
we just making stuff up.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Now, how many times?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
How many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lewie,
He's on this team for two decades, met with a
player about something that he was posting on social media,
met with a player about his roll in the offense,
his rolling defense.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
This is ay chat. This is only for Eagle fans.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't want anybody else to t try me in
because O Joe and I were just doing this for clicks.
Mainly you up because Oho, oh Jo cool, We like Oho,
but it's mainly you.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
So Eagles fans.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
I want y'all to tell me the time that your
owner has met with a previous player over his role
in the offense or the defense.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to chime
in now.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Uh And like I said, Oho, I understood from the beginning.
My only thing was, I said, AJ, is just that
when you do this publicly and winning, and you say
your goal is to win and you're winning, the fans
are not gonna look at it like man, I want
to be involved because I want to take this offense
(48:44):
to the next level. They're gonna look at it as
you're complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stacked.
That's how it's gonna be. Yes, So my thing was
just keep it behind closed door. He probably kept it
behind closed door, Oh Joe, all the stuff absolutely until
you open the door.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
It all absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And the funny thing about it too is, you know what,
I think. I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors.
I think he's those conversations with Jalen. I think he's
had those conversations with coach Siriani and he might have.
He might have because this has been going on since
last year. It's been going on since last year, so
I think the conversations have already been had and he
hasn't been heard because nothing has changed.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Nothing has changed. But what ja a J.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Brown has to understand. This offense is run a certain way.
It's always run a certain way. And the way that
they do it, Jay ja Yeah, Jalen Hurst does not
put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to
take the chances like Anon Rodgers. He's not going to
take the chances chances like a like a Brett Favre
or a gun slinging quarterback. I'm gonna I'm gonna make
the right reads. I'm gonna do the right things with
(49:50):
the ball, and I'm not going to put my team
in harm's way, in harms way and have us behind
the eight ball when it comes to playing football. And
that's just that's the nature of the biggest in the
way they do things. I think the Eagles like the
kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty,
it's it's not ecessthetically pleasing. He's not gonna go out
there and so for no. Four hundred, five hundred yards,
that's not the offense. It doesn't ask for him to
(50:12):
do that. But when time come, when time's come and
you put him in situations where he has to beat
you with his arm, we've seen him do it. Hell
a lah last year in the Super Bowl, they weren't
allowing Saeon to get.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Diddley Diddley squad.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
What did he do? He used his arm and he
won the game. This year, things don't look like it should.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
They're not able to run the ball. Hell they're not
even throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well, they get in his first, but what are they
doing They being carried by the defense. That's why I
think at some point the roles are gonna reverse. This's
gonna be a game just like you said, with a defense,
they gonna get had. They're gonna be a team that's
gonna be able to take advantage of him. And if
funny thing about it, You think about the teams that
have the opportunity or have a chance to put up
multiple points and have an offensive scoring high volume output.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
You think about the Chiefs, they beat the Chiefs here.
You think about the Lions tonight.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
They's going twenty seven to twenty eight, almost thirty eight games,
not yet.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
It's gonna be a team you least expected.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
It's gonna be a team you least expected, and they
gonna have they goddamn way, and it's gonna it's gonna
come time. Well, Jaylen Hurt's gonna have to step up
and even gonna beat you with your arm or Sai
Kung gonna do what you do on the ground like
he did last year that he hasn't been able to
do yet this year.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
This offense is built to play with the lead because
of the way they play is running pass. A lot
of teams pass to run, so Ojo, you're afraid of
us throwing the football, So now you play coverage, we
can run into a light box. So the way the
Eagles are built, they're built to run. And then we're
(51:45):
gonna pass. We're gonna dictate. You know, we're not gonna
let you dictate when we passed. But they normally pass
and it's third and short. Well, guess the Eagles in
trouble is when it's third and long and they're having
to pass.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
In football, see when it's third and short. O Yo,
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I could run it with Saquan, or I can use
Hurts legs, or I can do something quick screened Jalen
screen to a Davante quick something quick pop to Goddard.
They get into trouble when you start to start thirty ten,
thirty twelve. That's when they get into trouble. And so
(52:21):
they do a great job of knowing. That's where we're
vulnerable at staying out of situations like that. But give
them credit. They want tonight played the elements better. That's
what you have to do when you're at home, O
Joe A. We're in our environment with Eagles playing. We
practiced outside.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
And one problem I do have about watching the game
tonight the fact that I can steal I don't play
for the Eagles. I don't play for the Egings, but
I watch a lot of football, and I watched the
Eagles all season long.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Hell, I watch every guy damn team.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
But the fact that I can tell you based on
AJ Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly where I
he's running, that's not good.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
That's not good because if I.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Know it, and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching
the games each and every Sunday, what do you think
those that are that are playing across from are doing.
He had eleven talk I think he had maybe eleven
targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff
over and over and over on if he lines up
two yards outside the number, if he's by hisself, he's
running the hitch, if he if he's if he's at
the top of it, or the slam. If it's if
(53:21):
it's two by two and Sweeney's on the side with him,
or the Titans on the side with him, he's off
the ball, he's running the slant. It's like the same thing.
If he if he's inside, he's running the quick out.
I mean, it's it's just or the stick, right, It's
just the same that there there's really no creativity and
then putting it, and they.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Like to put him on the left hand side, on you,
they like to throw him the go ball on.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
The your hand side. If you not that a lot
of his goal balls on the left side.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I mean, so I understand, I understand his frustrations.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Not only is he not putting up the numbers he
liked to, but you know what's actually coming based on
his alignment and where he is is route recognition, formation recognition,
and the tendencies.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
The tendencies are the same
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