October 14, 2025 • 63 mins
Join Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson as they recap the best NFL stories of Week 6 of the 2025 NFL season including Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys fall to the Carolina Panthers, the Miami Dolphins internal conflicts continuing, Anthony Richardson suffering an injury in pregame warmus, and much more!
00:00 - Panthers Def. Cowboys20:25 - Rams Def. Ravens30:20 - Anthony Richardson injured in pregame40:14 - Steelers Def. Browns55:40 - Dolphins Def. spiraling Dolphins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Oh Joe. Last week, Rico Ddell ran for over two
hundred yards. He knew the Cowboy was on the schedule.
They ask him, he said, tell them to buckle up. Yeah,
they didn't buckle up. The Cowboys beat the Panthers. Excuse me.
The Panthers beat the Cowboys by the score of thirty
to twenty seven. Another game in which the Cowboys defense
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were exposed. Brian Schottenheimer stood up for his defensive coordinator,
Matt Eberflus. The Cowboys allowed two hundred and sixteen rushing yards,
a season high, led by former Cowboy rico'donald, who had
one hundred and eighty three yards on thirty carries. It
marked the fourth time the Cowboys have allowed at least
one hundred and forty four yards rushing this season. It's
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also the fourth time this season the Cowboys have allowed
at least thirty points. It was also the fourth game
they have recorded one or fewer sacks. Now, I remember
O Joe because you know, Michael couldn't stop the run,
and you know, a dakins indispensable, and Dakin's playing well.
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Dak's playing well, but Doak is under the same situation
that your quarterback was under last year because his defense
is so putrid. If he punts the ball, when he
gets it back, if he had a lead, they're either
gonna be tied or they're gonna be closer than they
were when he punted the ball. Because his defense can't
stop anybody. That defense is atrocio. Now they keep blaming
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I don't know what it is. They fired Mike Nolan.
They said it was Mike Nolan. Now, some of those
players were still there. When Mike Nolan was there, they
had a Zim. It was Zim. He wasn't no good.
They got Mike Eberflus. So they've had three or four
different coordinators, and a lot of those same players that
were there are still there now. I want to know,
Oh Joy, at some point in time, we got to
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start holding these players accountable because we quick to blame board,
that coach, that coordinator, that is that that go ahead.
It's the coaches, it's the scheme.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But it's never it's never the players, which is why
I'm tired of hearing that, and I'm trying to hear
I'm tired of hearing that, especially out of the five, one,
three all the time. But we'll get to that game
in a minute. But I said this before the season started.
On people laughed at me when I said my surprise team,
I had two. I had to them was the Bears
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and the other one was the Carolina Panthers. I told him,
I want you to watch out for the Panthers. I
want to want you to want you to watch out
for Bryce Young, watch out for the defense, and watch
out for the court. I mean, watch out for the receivers.
And what are they doing? You saw what they did
to the Panthers. I mean, excuse me, you saw what
they did to Atlanta falcause not long ago.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You saw what they did today? Young bull, Young Bull.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't I don't want to. I don't want to.
Butcher's last name running back? How you said the right way?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ondell ll? You can say Donell, but I think they
say I think it's Donald. Yeah, I was gonna daddle
or DoD l. I heard it both ways. I don't
listen to the broadcast, So chat y'all have to have
to tell me how they say it as on the broadcast.
(03:20):
How do they say it? Do they say Dodelle or
they say Donald?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You know, people don't play by their last name now. Hey,
but listen, boy, he was on a mission. Yeah, he
was on a mission.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
If it wasn't it wasn't nothing cute about him today? No,
you know Rico, Rico swab. You know Rico supposed to
be killed. What nothing wasn't nothing cute about Rico today?
He told you this, Oh Joe, This man called this shot.
This man said he was gonna Donna. You know how
you do?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know how difficult that is to call your shot
in the middle of the week before the game and
tell people to buckle up and then actually go out
there and do exactly what's gonna do, which is the
reason why you said you need to buckle up. On
the ground catching the air man, Manaldelle.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Was all over the place. He was yeah, dowdle But
I thought that, But I was like, hey, they say Donille, Hey,
but oh Joe. At some point, at some point, Jerry
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has to understand his defense is built. They're undersized. When
you have an undersized defense, what does that mean, O Joe?
You're built to play with the lead because you want
to eliminate the run game because you're fourteen seventeen points up.
They're not gonna run it now. You use those undersized
guys to stream up the stream up field. Okay, what
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happens when you got to sit your light ass in
there and catch they ain't got nobody to hunker down. Jared,
I'm very disappointed in you because everything were you. You
were yacking. You win a game, you yacking, You had
a tie ball game, and they couldn't get him out
the podium. Hell, they thought it was a ring master
because hey, ren Herd, stop right up now, Caro. A
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lot of them put foots in you. But now you
Jared didn't speak to the media. Why not? Oh oh no,
it is today, absolutely not. I do you want to talk? Yeah,
exactly front running now, Oh hold up, you remember a
couple you remember what was it last week? And then
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you see what I'm talking about. Now look at him.
Everything that went wrong? Well, you know, Michael wasn't good
against the run. Okay, Michael gone, what's your problem now? Right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Mm?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well we didn't go that far when we had Michael. Okay,
how far you gonna go without him? Now? Because you're
two three and one.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Hey, listen, if they're gonna have a shot now, I
know we didn't get to it yet, but offensively, we
get that in a minute. But boy, dak well, he
earning every bit of that's sixty. He earned it, every
bit of that's sixty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The calories, O yo, help the calories. If you go,
if you say, you know what, if you say, man,
you know what, I'm gonna get in shape. I'm I'm
gonna get in shape. I'm gonna eat healthy. Bro, you
go eat twinkings and ho hos, all the miss and
empty calories. They don't do nothing for you. They satisfy
your craving, but they lad absolutely no nutritional value. That's
what those stats are.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
But you got you gotta understand. Listen, I'm doing my job.
I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. This is a
team game, right, so yeah, I'm supposed to win. Yeah,
that that too. But to give you, I need y'all
to stop something over here.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They're not. I need y'all stop some over here, I
will say. To his credit though, ojo, he hasn't turned
the ball over. No, no, no, you're playing clean. He playing.
I will concede, but it's hard because he knows he
has to be perfect. Yeah, because my team not gonna
stop anybody right now? Right, Hey, right now. We can't
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stop a park car. We already so you know that
going into the ball game, I already know what I'm
up against that secondary look like you can't stop with
what a park car. I don't know if Diggs, I
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don't know if Diggs is still hurt, he's still he
not the same. Digs don't even look the same to me.
I know dig Digs better than this. I don't know
if that injury, if he's one hundred percent recovery, because
I know he's you know, you know they find him
five hundred thousand because he wasn't around or whatever's going on.
But he doesn't look. He was always a clure. He
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was always a guesser. Yeah, and and look and now
he got in. He got incredible hands. He gets his
hands on the ball, he coming down with it, and most.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of it, most of the times when he does guess,
he gets in the right way because you know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Not anymore on the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Offense side of the ball. He didn't looked at say,
he didn't look the same day.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He ain't looked the same in a while. Yeah, he
ain't looked the same in a while. And the defense
and because look they got those guys. Those like I said,
teams just gonna run the ball, And now where you
run the ball, you're gonna have to drop the safety
down to Now you don't really have no help over
the top, none at all. I mean, if they ran
the ball thirty eight times for two sixteen, thinking back,
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you did last in total yards you like twenty fourth
and rush yards allowed, you probably did last. The points
were there in points allowed because they gave up forty
to the Packers. They gave up thirty to day, they
gave up what twenty four, they've probably average a giving
up twenty four. They're close to the bottom that they
twenty eight through thirty two in points allowed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Listen, don't be Nobody should be surprised if you're in
the chat tonight. I'm sure you're a faithful he been
and you've been watching for a very long time. I
told you before the season started, I told you about
the Panthers. Everybody laughed at me, outside of the Panthers fans.
Everybody laughed at me. Oh o, Joe man. They sorry
they did say that. I told you no, and I
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kept acting. Now I'm gonna remind you again. Hey, keep
pounding bitch, we see harr is the problem that I have,
ojo what happened?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You see at some point in time. Now you're gonna
have to, like when you get the ball, you gonna
have to keep putting points on the board. You can't
be content when you gotta lead. They put the ball,
you gotta go get points again. Because you know that
was an anomaly that your defense stopped them. What's the
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likelihood your defense gonna pitt your shut out? The second
half not hapening? They up, They gave up seven, They
gave up ten points in the fourth quarter. More time
than not that they scored three in the fourth quarter.
So they scored ten and they gave up seventeen. Bryce
Young seventeen or twenty seventeen or twenty five a buck
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ninety nine, three touchdowns, one pick, sack, one time for
five yards thirty eight carries two hundred sixteen yards. George
Pickens playing his ass off.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hey, well, you see, remember we talked about Remember I
told you what You're gonna have no issues out of
my out of broh yep, I told you that, not
that conversation. George, I know you're gonna see this. Why
I love you, but I love y'all. I told you
it's okay, It's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
This is this is why your team is two three
and one. The Cowboys dead lasting total D, dead lasting
past D, dead lasting third down percentage second to the
worst points allowed, averaging thirty points seven points a game. Damn.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Wait offensively, I'm I'm sure they're little hiding way hiding out.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You ain't overcoming that. No, you can't. You can't because
you think about what you got to think about it?
Oh yo, In order for you to have it, they're
giving up thirty point seven. So in that order for
you to be winning, that means you got to score
thirty point eight.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah a game. A game that's very difficult, very very difficult.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They got the second best offense on yo, fourth in points,
the fourth in points twenty nine point seven. So you
give up one more O Joe? See, yeah, that we
were close. All I need to do is score one
more point than you, and that's what they average. Guess
what they scored twenty nine point seven. They give up
thirty points seven. So guess what if you score twenty nine,
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I score thirty? Who win? You know that situation right there?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
To give people a better perspective to give people a
better context. It sounds like another team. When my quarterback
is healthy, we go through that same issue.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, the bingals and we.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Scoring thirty a game with everybody is healthy, Shet. The
other team scoring thirty two. We scored for it, they
score fifty.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
You can't win. Yeah, look what you saw it. Last
year y'all scored thirty eight. Y'all lose forty one to
thirty eight. Y'all scored thirty five. They score thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, Jerry said Michael was the problem.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know. Jared didn't say Jared. Jared didn't say
anything today. I want to know. See front running now,
see all that, you all out the window and the
owner's box, you all out. Oh, we're just having a
good time. We have you know, the cowboy fans. We
traveled the Cowboy fans. We just having a good old time. Yeah,
I ain't see it. Hey, this is all. This is
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what you saw. This is what you saw today. Oh,
Joe in the flights, kids a school, kids with its
raided outside and you ain't got no recess.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, you got to sit there and look out the window.
You know, something like this. How do you fix it.
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
This is just not a one player issue, d Eventsively,
This is not you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Gotta get You gotta get better players. You gotta get
better players. Look, it's hard to get them now because
you got what you got. But you have a team.
You have a team that's built on playing with the lead. Well,
if you can't get the lead, O Jo, you can't
just turn them loose, because if you just run your
ass up the field, they're gonna just run where you
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will left, so you catch it. They too small, they
got they ain't got no bricks in the back pocket.
You can't drop anchor with them little light ass guys.
They got up there. Man, they got guys back pocket
shaking hand. They're so small in the ass.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
A matter of fact, you know what I'm thinking about
it if I was Jerry, and listen, I'm putting my
owner's hat on.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm putting my owner's hat.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I need to get someone the anchor that front, someone
that I could build around and he can be that
centerpiece for me.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Jared don't care about winning, O Joe. We've been we've
been determined that Oo don't Jerry don't care about winning?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right, I'm just high pathetically talking. Hey chat, tell me
what you think right now, Tennessee Titans. I'm going to
get Jeffrey Simmons to anchor my defense and build from
that bill from there out, build from the inside out.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We'll start over. What you think I'm going. Well, George
Pick gonna want a lot of money. George Picking's gonna
want at least DK money.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh and he gonna get DK money. Okay, let me
show you. Let me show you what's gonna happen or
what can happen. Ceedee Lamb, who's considered the top five
quarter quarterback, who considered the top five receiver when we
talk about receiving when he goes, Let me show you
what I can do. I can pick up right with you.
Show you what I can do if I get the
opportunities that I deserve that I should have got when
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I was in.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know where. I'm not gonna bring bring them up.
But I can do number two.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I can take you deep or I can take a
slam to the house.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Man. Stop. This is what if he gets his hands
on the ball and he faced your ass up as
a rap. Good luck down there getting his ass on
the ground. That is a rap is a rap. He
He reminds you of a smaller version of t O.
You remember how t O ran angry? If t got
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the ball in his hands and he faced you up,
You not you right here in front of him, not
getting him on the ground, you better hope that. Hey,
I'm hey, come on, which ware you go? I'm gonna
try to hold him. I come on, man, damn, I
can't hold him here forever? You breathe? Hell? Come, what
the hell? Man? And that's how y'all. That's what they
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have to do with pick. If he getting the ball
in his hands and he turns around and square your
ass up, rap, and then he and he know it's funny.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
He's faster then he looked because he played fast.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
He might not be He might have I don't even
know what he ran. He might have ran four four
old Joe. But they're there are guys that might not
run fast but play fast. That's Jerry. Jerry didn't run fast,
but he played fast. Em It didn't run fast, but
he played fast. He has what they call functional speed.
He has football speed. Yeah, you get him out there
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to test for boy man, not mofo.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I told listen, I told you before the season started
you did.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'm glad because I was like, Bro, you got that.
That's money, Bro, you got you got an opportunity to
make two hundred million dollars to set your family up
for generations and generations. I mean that might be a
George Piggins the fourth They say, my great great granddad
put me and put me and put this family in position.
Pro don't waste that day. Don't don't, don't, don't. Don't
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mess up your money with some foolishness. The best thing
to happen. He needed to get out of Pittsburgh. He
needed to change the scenery. And sometimes that's what that's
what it takes, so Joe. Sometimes it takes a change
of scenery. Sometimes it takes somebody him or her to
get into a new relationship in order for them to
be their very best.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Mm hmm yeah, absolutely absolutely, And now I'm glad for them.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
But again I'm I'm happy. But the Cowboys, I Jerry
don't care about why we've decided this. You and I
we talked about this for years. Jared cared more about money.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, we under we understand that too, But I'm thinking
from a defensive perspective with them, ye, dead last in
every category and every statistic and every metric in every standard.
When it comes to football Week six Novembers coming up deadline,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
If you were to make some some type of.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Hasty move, I would love to see them. It probably
won't happen. I'm just thinking, I'm putting my GM hat on.
I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons, you know, quality top
three defense defensive tackle in the NFL right right now
to this day. Boom, I'm putting you right there on
a bill around you, I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Bit around you. Yeah, But that's just me what y'all think.
Jack and I know the linebackers are very good, o Jo.
The linebacker's not very good. They ain't nothing. They ain't
got no plug. I mean, look Sam with if they
got guys trying to rush off the edge. But I'm
talking about like a like a like a mic backer.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well hold on, understand, let me tell you something. You
might not like what they have right now, because with
that backer had that Mike backer has in front of him,
it's lighting ass. Now, what happened if you go get
that big ninety eight from goddamn over there in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And you you get that, you get to be able
to ru I want to get why I want to
give him up to you? What you're gonna get me?
Wasn't the first round piece that you got from the Packers.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Maybe we can, hey, listen, if I if we Jerry,
we can negotiate.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But but Jerry don't like that, O Joe, he don't.
He don't want to give up. He likes Jerry likes
to develop players. So Jerry, Jerry, Jerry has gotten burned
uh uh in free agency. And so he's like that,
he's done with it. He's done with it. He's not
gonna he's gonna get guys that he gonna get the
Jadevian Clowney and and and Clowney had. But Clowney is
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he's not gonna He's not gonna move the he's not
gonna move the needle. Right, He's not the clowny of
old No no, no no. And we had that discussion.
We don't think he ever lived up to what we
thought he was gonna be. He was in the draft
with Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack turned out to be the
better player. That's what what what what? He what Khalil
Mack is. That's what we thought Jadavian Clowney was gonna be,
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right based on what we saw in college. You probably
got to go back to it in Dominican Sue to
find a guy that raised hell now dominated the dominated
like Jadavian Clowney did his sophomore year. His junior year,
he was just trying not to get hurt, right, so
he didn't play like he did his sophomore year. But
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go back and look at it, Dominkin Soue. Last year,
you was like, Okay, that's the best player in the country. Now,
I forget who the Heisman Trophy that year, Sam. I
think with the Sam Brafford Sam Brafford won that was
the best and Dominic m Sue was the best player
in the country that year. That's what we thought Jadavian
Cloudy was gonna be. But we'll see what Jerry's gonna
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do right now. I mean, it would have been I've been
lovely to hear from him, but unfortunately we did not
hear from him. O jo o jo. The ram stuffed
the Ravens seventeen to three, dropping the Ravens to one
and five. Since the fourteen team playoff four match started
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in twenty twenty. Only one team, Washington in twenty twenty
started one in five and made the playoffs. The Ravens
have been outscored ninety eight thirty three in the past
three weeks. Only glimmer of hope is Lamar Jackson could
return from his hamstring injury after the Week seven by
Baltimore committed three turnovers, including an interception and a fumber
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by Cooper Rush, who was benched in the fourth quarter
for Tyler Hunt. The ravens three points are the fewest
home since two thousand and two, when the Buccaneers shut
out the buck When they were shut out by the
Buccaneers twenty five to nothing, I was gonna say I
wasn't on that time. I was looking at I remember
being the Bucket. But anyway, Baltimore has lost it's past
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six games without Lamar and failed to score more than
seventeen points in each de hop Bad football gets you
to one and five. So whatever you put out there,
that's how football works.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Can I tell you something, go ahead before you can go.
I expected the Rams to do this. I expected the
Rams to do this, especially the way the Ravens looked
and where their rings statistically on defense, can't stop the run,
can't stop the pass. So I understood a high volume
passing team with staff was gonna come out there and
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do exactly what they did. Now on the other thing,
the thing on the other side of things. As much
as I want to make fun of you and your ravens,
I'm not. You know why I'm not because them being
one and five lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. Yeah,
valuable that team is. Let's say Lamar Jackson doesn't play
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the rest of the season. I say, what, y'all go,
what maybe one in sixteen? You know, there's a possibility
that may happen. There may be some games where, you know,
Cooper Rush or Tyler Huntley come in.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And Cooper Rush ain't it. And I told him at
the beginning of the season, right, I mean, y'all remember
Cooper Rush. I mean, Cooper Rush had y'all food. Jerry
said he was it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Jerry said there was a good chance he could be
the future star the Cowboys. But that neither here nor there.
It lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. You
mean to tell me that Lamar Jackson basically puts his
team on his shoulders every week and goes out there
and wins with this team, he's the reasons why we
are able to go and compete weekend and week out.
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Even with the shortcomings when you get to the playoffs,
he still gives us our best chance. So what I've
seen from the Ravens so far, when Lamar went out,
even when he was in, they still had a chance.
But him with him being out, you don't stand a
chance to do.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nothing because the offense is Lamar centric. So it's gonna
be hard to win when you built your offense around
the guy and that guy's not in there. Like you said,
they weren't winning very many games with Lamar in there.
This year. Cooper Rush eleventh of nineteen seventy two yards,
man through the ball seventy two to nineteen times had
seventy two yards, so they were six d there was
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twenty one to thirty four collectively fo one hundred and
seventeen yards.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And also not just talking about the quarterback too, the
other players on offense. You have to raise your level
of play because you don't you don't have eight back there.
Because you don't have eight back there, you have to
bring your level of play up to par to hide
the weakness. Yes, quarterback is out. Zay baby Zay or
you that boy. You have to take over situations like
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this when you get to I mean, I see that
they're trying to make them plays, trying to do extra,
trying to add that that that sparked that offense. You know,
is it's just everybody, baiteman. Everybody has to It has
to be a colective effort. Okay, we don't have our quarterback.
That means all of us we got to play damn
near perfect. You have to, especially his NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Especially turnovers.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, you're not gonna recover because with them turnovers, they
getting points off them turnovers.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
They're not because they're not They're not good enough to
overcome that. Yeah, yeah, that's the problem. Oh, your people
saying I snitched. I didn't snitch. We had the meeting
because Mike call the meeting. Mike knew he wasn't in
the meeting. I told him what I recommended because I
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didn't want him to like man hey to me for
me to be talking to him and all the while,
I recommended that Mike suspended asked for a game. So
I told him Yeah, ain't want no snitch. I snitched
on myself. I snitched on myself. Or you want to
say something because whatever normally, whatever happened in that meeting,
it stayed in the meeting. Yeah. I just wanted him
to know. That was my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
People are holding you accountable to street guidelines and this
ain't the street life.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Joe, this is oh Joe, Oh Joe. Yeah. If I
if I go tell you what I told somebody, how's
that snicheing? I told you what I told him? Yeah,
normally snitch don't come back and tell somebody or bad
you know I told such and such on you. Yeah,
they don't do that. Yeah, it was a meeting. We
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had a meeting. What was going to be the punishment.
Clearly finding him wasn't getting the message through right because
he kept doing the same thing. He kept doing the
same thing. This is what I recommended. Now he didn't
take my recommendation, but I told him, I said, this
is what I recommended. Hey, hey, you were to told
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me that if I was ale team, you would have
told me I was told anybody, Hey, I would I would.
I would probably dropped you on the spot. I would
have had to whoop you. We will. Hey, we gotta
fight every day. Guess what, you'd have missed that next game.
I guarantee you and you wouldn't even miss You wouldn't
even been suspended. I would have missed that game. Boy,
we told that locker room up. I guest you, we
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just told that locker room up. Oh, we're gonna tell
that locker room up for sure. Damn, we're gonna tell
the locker roo bub about Joe whatever. Dack Henry had
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one of his best days on twenty four. Character Buck
twenty two and you only get three points. You read
the ball really well, uh, I mean think about it.
You have more rush yards than pass yards. That's bad.
And like I said, I think they got a bye week.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So he'll get an extra week off. Lamar get an
extra week off so he could come back out of
the by.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Right, I mean, do you want him to come back
out of the buy being that you really don't have
a chance of doing anything. Can they string off seven
or eight games in a row?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
They can? Yeah, yeah they can't. They have that kind
of billy ojo. I mean that's Lamar. You believe in
Lamar run off three, but you see you see how
they look without him? Yes, okay, you're right, that's crazy.
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The thing is is that you're probably gonna have to
win that division because it looks like look at the
AFC West Kansas City, Denver, the Chargers could you possibly get?
You got the AFC South right now? Andy looks good
and Jacksonville even though Jacksonville. Hey, hey, hey, duval, y'all
(28:04):
want us to talk about the Jags today because y'all
got mad at me and o Joe. Y'all don't never
say nothing about the Jag y'all gig Jack Jack? Okay,
where y'all at? I ain't seen not one person meant
nothing about the Jags. We talked good about the Jags.
But but oh Joe, that was the thing. People want
us to talk about the team? Yeah, when they when
they are two and twelve, what we're gonna say? Whoa
(28:25):
Jack Jack Jack? Okay, y'all, Hey, Duval, where y'all at?
Y'all wanted to talk about the jacksh.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't know, Joe. They're gonna have to put some
They're gonna have to put some stuff together. Many Derick
Henry can can can get hot. He and Lamar can
carry your team, O Joe. They did it last year. Absolutely,
they did it last year. Absolutely. I just I just
a lot of people that that there's really nothing. There's
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nothing bad. You can obviously they're there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You can pick and talk about Lamar jack and what
he can and what he can't do, and you know,
no playoff success, but Lamar being absent it shows you
how valuable, how good of a player he is, that
the team is not even functional offensively without him there
no and how important the quarterback position is as well,
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and why he makes and commands a kind of money
he's making. You take a Lamar Jackson out, you see
what you get. You take a Joe burrowed out there equation,
and you see what you get. Josh Allen obviously he
hasn't been hurt, but I'm sure they wouldn't be able
to function as well offensively. It just a teams the
dynamic of everything that makes your team who it is
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when these top top tier quarterbacks are no longer available
for your team.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Had the defense been playing as well as they played today,
they held him to seventeen points. You don't normally owt Yoe.
They give up forty, they give up thirties. If they
had been playing that, well, maybe they won a few
more games. Get this game here, o Joe. I'm trying
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to join you. See. Oh here it is right here.
I found Damn it disappeared on me. You don't want
me to see. I'm gonna get it, though, I'm gonna
find it. Who at Ochoe. I don't know if you've
ever heard of something like this, but it happened during
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the Colts pregame warm up warm up. Anthony Richards Richardson
fractured his orbital bone when he had an issue with
a rubber leg band, so you know how you're doing
the stretch band and stuff like that. I guess it snapped,
if I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, Chad, you
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can correct me. I think there was a situation where
rest is soul. Congressman Harry Reid had a very similar
situation using an exercise band. It snapped, popped him in
the eye, and I think he lost the vision in
the eye. Then, to make matters worse, Tradavious war was
warming up on the field. He collided with Drew Overtree.
Some of the concussion he missed the game.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Hey, have you seen something that happen before. No, yeah,
I've never seen nothing like that happen before. Now, the
band and the stretching and it pops. I understand that, Yes,
I understand that now that now that can happen because
it's happened to me before, but not to where you
know it right anywhere in the face. But hey, depends
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on what band you're using. You know, they got the
thick bands they have the.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
H yeah, but they have you know, the ones that
they have for PT not those not those thick like
weightlifting bands you know that we attached that were attached
to the bar bells and stuff like that to get
extra tension. These are the bands that they you know,
you know, you be stretching me, do it like that
and you see you see the guy like loosening up
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with him. Huh that I thought he broke us over
the bone. Yeah it's it's snapped. Yeah, I don't. Those
little peat bands can't do that. Yeah, well that's what
did it? Okay, damn mm hmm mm hmmm. That's less
unlucky man. But but to think about how how many
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times you know people have been using those in stretched
and after a while, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh oho,
you know, you know you're getting the medicine balls, oh show,
and you slam them down and some of them are
bounced up to you and some of you have to
bend down to pick him up up. Yeah. And were
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in class one day and this lady got wondered. He
didn't realize it that it was gonna bounce. Yeah, hit
it right and stood over it. I think that they
hear in the face about four times bout four or
five times, Oh Joe, oh yo, oh are you laughing?
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The lady ain't gonna help.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I was like, I was like this here because it's
something like you see in the cartoons. Making the cartoons
do it, and that's how it was, but it was
real life. I was like, oh my goodness, oh hell yeah,
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that's fine. Man. What'd you call him? Uh huh? Anthony
Richardson got buzzled? Look yeah, man, yeah, I mean you
got I mean, do you understand how unlucky that you
have to be for something like that to happen. I mean,
you hear stuff like that happened, Joe. You know you
read like such and such happening that I remember, Like
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I said, I think Congressman Harry Reid had something very
similar to happen, but he was like elderly. It's probably
like eighty years old, eighty eighty five years old, maybe
even older when that happened. But a young man something
happened like that. Man, gosh, and.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm trying, I'm trying to listen. Obviously I wasn't there.
I wasn't there to see it. I'm just confused on
what exercise you might have been doing, what stretch you
might have been doing for that to be even be possible.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know, he might have been he might have been
laying on his back. That's right, that's right, that's right.
And then you know, like you said, maybe it was
one of those one of those thicker bands.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
And you know, the funny thing about it is when
it pops, you don't know it's gonna pop, and you
don't have the quick titch, the quick titch quick twitch
fibers do be able to react fast enough.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Oh no, no, no, that pop is a rap. You
only really you only react after it's done happen.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, just a thought of that,
just thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Hell yeah, and man, so hopefully Anthon Richardson, can you
know you know, I'm telling that's that's pain. I fractured
my orbital so I know the pain. Man, It felt
like a you know well, the doctor said it was
like if I was in a bar fight and somebody
kicked me in the eyes. So I had a complete orbit.
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I had a complete blowout of the orbital floor. Because
your eye sists in a socket the floor. My floor
was completely gone. So my eye dropped like three and
I have four millimeters. Ah, so they have to go
in there. So that's why it's really hard for you know,
I'm constantly like my nose because I got a plate.
I got a carbon fiber plate. My eye is actually
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sitting on a carbon fiber plate. Like, hey, this is interesting.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You know, most most high end, most high end vehicles
have carbon fiber, you know, on the outside.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And yeah, so you got it, you got it in here.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah. But the only thing is man,
and the thing was O joe, you know. Had I
was congested. My sisters said, man, you ought to use
a natty pot. I said, what's the natty pot? It's
like a natty pot where you pull pull water, saline water, salt,
water up one nostril and let it. You know, you
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tried it got infected, the bacteria got caught, got caught
in that mesh. Looked like somebody, somebody, somebody punching me
in the eye. I closed up. I ain't know what
I oh, Joe, it got so in fact that I
ended up. I ended up. I ended up having on mercer.
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I was in the house in I was in the
hospital for like four day's God damn. Then they sent
me home with a pigline. I was getting a thousand.
I was getting a thousand over a thousand Middle Grounds.
I was doing like two I bags IV of just Animiotics,
bank of Myson Peak Life. So I got the thing
in the pole riding around and it's going straight and
going straight into to try to get it up out
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of them. Yeah, clearing up. It took me like two
weeks to get over it right, got another cold, closed
back up. Went to the doctor. He says, we're gonna
have to change this plate. He said, don't ever use
He said, don't ever use the natty pot again. He said, you,
I gotta be careful. If I blow my nose, my nose,
my nose will start bleeding.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Hey, this is this is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You damn you like RoboCop? Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But if you go through the metal detective, does that
does it go off?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Or no? Uh no, it doesn't go off. But I
got the artificial helps and they always, you know, they
go off you like you, like you like a cipher word. Okay,
I like that. That's dope. All I know is that
every time I go off today they said that little
Richard call them what they showed a little writ of
mister sharp you uh as you can see right down?
(38:08):
I say, yeah, I know. So they got a hey.
I don't okay, yeah, man I had I had a
bad bad hey. Well I was messed up, man, I
was messed up. Daniel Jones finished twenty two or thirty
to twelve two touchdowns in an exception, and he gets
credit for a fourth quarter game winning drive when he
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helped engineer a nine plays, sixty six yard drive that
ended with a decisive touchdown with four thirty two remaining.
Only two quarterbacks have led coach to five wins through
six weeks since two thousand. Pyton Manny and Daniel Jones. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I don't I don't know when I talk about quarterbacks,
and I say, situation matters where you go, your environment,
the weapons around you. As some people say, oh, coaching matters, well, listen,
coaching only matters when you have players like this, the
situation that Baker Mayfield in, the situation that Sam Donald
is in again for the second time, obviously, the situation
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in Minnesota. Now you see what he's doing over in Seattle,
and now Danny Jones going through the New York Giants,
which wasn't going well, and what he's doing now, and
goddamn Indy.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It needs to be studied. It needs it needs to
be studied.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And it's so important, not going high in the draft,
forget what number you go, but going to the right
situation where you go.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, it's all about where you go, more important where
than ha ha. Yeah. And Daniel Jones is showing that
he's played unbelievable Indiana. Jones has been great. Uh, He's
parlayed himself into a he's gonna have He's gonna get
a big payday. Oh Joe, if he keeps this up,
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I have a question. The funny thing about it is
is he's going to get a huge payday.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Are the Coats going to the coach, are going definitely
going to be the team to keep him because now
he's auditioning. Yeah, I might need a quarterback as well,
you know that, right who he's auditioning for other teams.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That might be a need of the building.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
We got him, Okay, I'm just making sure he's definitely
getting that bag.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But a team that we did hear from to day,
Aaron Rodgers through two tds. He let's continue their home
dominance over the Browns by the score of twenty three
to nine. Steelers seemingly, oh Joe on cruise control. There
are four and one in the division, Cleveland one in five,
Baltimore one in five. I think one in five. Cincinnati
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has lost what four straight, so now they're two and
four Pittsburgh Division to lose, Ojoe.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, absolutely, And honestly, I don't see I don't see
him losing it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And I can yeah, I can say this.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
As as much as I love my Bangals, I don't
see him losing it now. I saw some some something nice.
We'll talk about later when we get to the Bengals.
But god damn, Aaron Rodgers got them boys playing on
all cylind zone, the special offense playing on all cylinders.
As good as that defense is over in Pittsburgh's with
the names that they do have, they start yelling and
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playing that good football the right way that know.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We know, the way we know they can play.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
They gonna be fine. As long as Aaron Rodgers is
playing like Aaron Rodgers is playing that they always gonna
be in contention and they're going to be hard to beat.
Forget right now, I ain't talk about Week six. I'm
talking about when real football starts after Thanksgiving, getting into
the postseason, when it's cold and you got to go
over there to it ain't called heines Field no more.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I think it is still Heinsville.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
When you got to Heinsfield, Well, you ain't gonna be
able to throw the ball fifty times the game. You're
gonna have to put it on the ground. And you
got Cam Haywood, you got goddamn TJ. Walk coming off
that got damn in and up down. I forgot a
young bull name, whether it's Smith fifty six, fifty six
hot Smith, Yeah, ooh man, stop playing man, Yeah, it
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ain't nice now. Then then the back end really ain't
got no weakness.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
O Joe. It's called Acrossure Stadium. Now no longer hines
Field Acrossure Stadium. Oh the hell is acro Sure, don't
start me to.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Line, I tell you what, and I mean, though, disrespect
to acting.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I like to say heines Field because that's where I played.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
At that I played it. I played in hines Field
and I played the Three Rivers the old Three River Stadium.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So when they had when they had the carpet, they
had the car.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh yeah yeah, still yeah, and the stadium stadium would
be bouncing. I mean you, I mean you could literally
see it. It's bouncing up and down. They started rocking.
The Browns offense failed to a clip seventeen points for
the eleventh straight game. Dylan Gabriel, Uh, twenty nine and
fifty two two hundred and twenty one yards six six times.
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How do you so you mean to tell me your guy.
You're gonna let your guy and it's set to start.
You gonna let him throw the ball fifty two times
against that defense on the road. But it's hard to
run on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Huh, it's hard. It's hard to run on the Steelers.
So the other, the only other viable option is is
you gotta throw it. And when you think about Dylan Gabriel,
when you watch him in the games where he's had success,
anything outside inside the numbers, inside the hashes, he's really good.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's nothing, nothing really long. You know, sometime you get
some some some short digs some if you know that,
guess who else knows that that he's good inside the
numbers on short stuff the other team? Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
that's what thinks out your think about it. You threw
the ball fifty two times and you only had two
and twenty one yards. Yeah, you missed twenty three attempts
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bro out of Cleveland. If y'all try to get the
number one pick, just say that. Whoa, no, they now
have to fight the jais No no, no, no, no,
no no. They they wanted number one pick for what
to get? What quarterback?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Because they's nothing we done see on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's willing to wait fun. No, absolutely not. I guess
they want that pass rushing number six from Miami and
pair him with Miles Garrett. I don't know, maybe traded
for some more players. Okay, I like you, I see
where you're going. I like what you think. I like
what you're putting up. Hey, Miles Garrett said, losing the
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same way as frustrating. Miles, this is what you signed
up for. You took the money. I ain't got no
problem with that, Oh Joe, I have no problem with that.
But Miles Garrett knew they were not going to win.
They really haven't won since he been there, They've gotten worse.
So you can't say it gets old. When you took
the money, you said you wanted a chance to win.
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They dangle forty million dollars per year, gave you one
hundred plus one hundred, five hundred ten million, fully guarante.
You took the money. So now you can't complain because
you knew what made you trust them that they were
gonna be able to do something in one to two
years that haven't been able to do in your tenures
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since you've been there. You're talking, but you know you
know that wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
You know you know why there was no guaranteed money left.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I know I know what it was. Look, he ain't
got no guaranteed money. He won't guaranteed money. He gonna say,
I won't out, Really he won't guarantee money. I get that,
Oh Joe, I get it. I do and chat. I
don't want y'all to think I don't understand, but don't complain.
When you said you said you wanted a chance to win,
you said you wanted to compete. You knew with the
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exception of that one year, you guys haven't been able
to compete. And you trust this organization to put build
to build pieces around you and do the right thing
by getting a quarterback, you trusted them.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
They have a bad history at that specific position, the
one position you need to be able to compete, to
be able to contend. The identity for the Cleveland Browns
has always been their defense.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, it has been.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
The hard part has been finding quarterback that is good,
not great, just good enough to consistently not only keep
you in games, but win games when you're in certain situations,
especially games that are close. You just have you go
through straight a string of maybe four weeks five weeks
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of really good I'm about consistently throughout a season, especially
when it matters most.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You haven't been able to find that. No, I'm and
I'm supposed to trust you that you're going to find that.
But but what he's finding out, O Joe, is that
money really can't buy happiness when you are competitors and
you want to win and to go out there and
beat Yet, guess what that direct deposit is gonna hear
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every Monday or if you get paid on the first
in fifteen, that deposit is gonna hit. But them losses,
they hurt. I guarantee you when you out there taking
our l I ain't I have number one time, like man,
that check gonna be in my that check gonna be No,
I'm going to get my check, So I ain't. I
just got direct deposit in twenty sixteen. But anyway, I
never thought that they I'm gonna go upstairs tomorrow get
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that pay check. I didn't think about that. If we
don't think like that, oh we don't. When them l
start to add up on Yo, I've been lou lost
six games in a row, seven games in a row.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Please you out there practicing and then guess what. Guess
what was about to happen on Joe, Tell them what's
gonna happen in Cleveland? That temperature about to drop. We
was gonna get cold. It's gonna get cold, get cold.
And guess what you get cold? Now you're out there
practicing in the twenty degrees and then come Sunday you practice,
you playing in twenty degrees fifteen to ten and you
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catching a l after al after al after al.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
O.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Joe Ann Gabriel completed four passes over ten yards in
the air today. He threw the ball fifty two times,
but kept him in the game for the entirety of
the game. But I just told you they don't. They don't.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You see how they protect justin fields when when they're
going to the end of the half because of the
decision making, we don't.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Know what he's gonna do with the ball.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
So how do you hide the quarterback weaknesses whatever weaknesses
he may have that we can't see now, you and
I know he can't throw outside the numbers.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
He can't.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He can't be on the left half and throw atr
comeback on the right side.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh hell no, that's not the type of quarter comeback
the other way for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, So you have to call plays that are predicated
to his strengths. His strengths are throwing intermediate and his
short routes.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
So therefore all.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Plays based on what he's able to do extremely well.
Now that's no knock on him that's no knock on him.
So what we ask of you, that's all what we're
asking you based on what you can do well for
us offensively. That's what we're gonna do because that's what
you provide for us as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Now, that limits your playbook, It limits what you call.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
It limits some of the things you like to do
as opposed to other quarterbacks that have the arm strength
or the the or the prowess to be able to
open up the playbook and do and do more.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So, I mean, I didn't want to say it like that.
I thought everyone else could see that and understood that,
especially when you when you watch him play some of
the some of the players of the call. Now some
some frustrations might might arise with maybe Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Jared Juda had thirteen targets called five passes. Bannon Jr.
Had ten targets called seven. Joku has six called three.
Damn oh, Joe I had a more DK four catches
man uh uh. He had a go ball and Roger
and the wind called it brought it brought it back.
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I mean he was like he was like five yards
in front of the dB rap. Hold on, wait, he
caught he caught one D ball on that he caught
a D ball that was later but he ended up.
But he had one that had been that had been
that was a show enough touchdown and Rogers put it up.
And I guess the wind called it because Rogers he
turned abright and looked up like damn, I ain't no,
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I ain't know. It was like like that. Okay, but
uh oh, Joe, I just I don't. I don't know
what Cleveland's doing. I don't know if they're trying to
get that, they're trying to get the number one pick. No,
you could have to fight the Jets for it. There's
nothing out there. This is this is no knock and chat.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Y'all know because y'all watched college football. There was nothing
out there that is glaring where it's like where teams
are clamoring for those who are in situations like the
Browns or let's say like the Cowboy defensively where you know,
we got to have him.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
We got to have him, so.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
We're gonna do it's necessary to make sure we're in
a position to be able to get him. It is
nobody like that right now, and nobody popping out on film.
It might be some off of the attackle or some
defensive tackles that we don't know about. But the skill
position or quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
They need to go get that Cowboys. They need to
trade the two draft picks they got this year and
to go up there and get that guy from Miami
Bang Junior. Right, you need to hell raiser like that.
Those are the type of guys that change the future,
that change a fortune. That's what they need. Eating nice
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hell yeah, but I don't I don't like Dylan Gabriel throwning.
Letting Dylan Gabral throw the ball fifty two times.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
He threw four passes that had ten yards of distance.
He completed four passes over ten yards in the air
of the day, so everything is checked down. He dinking
and dunking and checking it down.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Now you know the digging and dunkin work. It can work,
depending on you can be efficient digging and duncan. But
at some point, once some boys say you know what
we're coming up, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Be able to put them all over their head. Though, Joe,
at some point in time, you gotta put a man,
you gotta put it. You gotta put somebody on the threat. Yeah, fear,
you gotta put fear, you got, you gotta put Joe.
If I don't bro I'm I'm sitting. They played The
Raider and the Chiefs. You had to throw the in
the in the first ten plays, you had to throw
a go ball or them more. Fold's gonna sit right
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there on everything on everything you played. The Raiders when
you played had a t MAC and they had Alba Lewis.
So we went over there and they had Dale Card
in Kansas City and they had a uh, what's I
forget the guy's name, Lord, have mercy. If you did
not move them, if you did not throw a go ball,
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It's like, look, we ain't trying to complete it, but
you gotta put fear on them, because boy, they ain't moving.
Keep thinking they're not moving. Man. I First of all, y'all,
we know y'all not gonna throw it deep. You know
why we know y'all not gonna throw it deep because
we know y'all don't have a really offensive line that
can hold up to throw it deep. Or the second
of all, if you do throw a deep, guess what, Ojo,
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you ain't right, no running game So what am I
stepping up to stop the run for? Yeah? So with
that being said, now we squatting on everything. Prove to
me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I dare you junkins Junkins Junkins' hurd?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Uh. He had twelve carries for thirty six yards. He
might have got hurt in the game. I was, you know,
I was back. I was back and forth. Man. It's
hard for me to stay It's hard for me to
stay interested in that, right there, o Jo, it's hard.
You know. I watched the series and I'm like, bro, bro,
what is this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I thought they would have le I thought they would
have leaned on him a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I thought, well, maybe maybe he's hurt, maybe something's roll
with him. But if your quarterback isn't as good, or
you're not able to do some of the things you
want to do to make sure you're able to be competitive,
you want to hide him by running the ball a
little bit more. You want to you want to put
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that load and that onus, on that on that on
your running back to be able to get things going
or to make it easier forget balance.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
You got to be all. You got to be a
run heavy team. First, you got to be I ain't
trying to do no balance. You ain't got no balance
with that right there. I mean Jayleen Rams had two sacks,
Jayalen Rams, Jayalen ramsay, I'm gona trying to get me
ten sacks as a corner. Uh hebreak, I had uh
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uh two sacks. Hot Smith had had a half a sack.
Teacher had a half a sack. So they have six
sacks totals, six tacks, six sacks total. But I don't
know what Cleveland trying to do. But whatever it is,
they need to stop.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You know what, You know what, it's almost unfair. It's
almost unfair. They have to judge Gabriel against that damn defense.
It's almost unfair. I know it's your division opponent, but hell,
it ain't that many people that look good against the
goddamn Steelers and the quarterbacks that do you know, then
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conversations of the epper echelon quarterbacks from the come to
being able to dismantle that damn defense.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh Jo. The Chargers, Yeah, beat the Dolphins, who have
not lost four games this season in which they trailed
by one score in the final two minutes after the game,
tour was asked how players can refrain from feeling sorry
for themselves. Oh, Joe, take a listen to his response.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh, I think it starts with the leadership and in
helping articulate that for the guys, and then what we're
expecting out of the guys, right, we're expecting this.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Are we getting that? Are we not getting that?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
We have guys showing up to only player only meetings late,
guys not showing up to player only meeting Like, There's
a lot that goes into that. Do we have to
make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory?
So so it's it's a lot of it's a lot
of things of that nature that we got to get
cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Be clear, you're saying some players were late or missed late. Yeah,
hey maybe obviously you can say some of these things.
I like that to it being the quarterback, being a leader,
having that seal on the chest and addressing those things publicly.
But you can't throw you can't throw your players under
the bus. You can't throw your players under the bus
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like that.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
You can't do that. You can't throw your players.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Under the bus like that because even though you are
the quarterback, they're not gonna view that likely They're not
gonna They're not gonna they're not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Huh is that? I know? Hold on, chat, I want
to make sure I'm hearing you correct. I say that
he said he won't people tell the truth? Now, is it? Well?
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Hold on, you got mad at me when I was
happy that Cam wore say, hey, we asked you know,
I mean, you said, I'm glad you.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
I was trying to get you to see the big picture.
But you was in the forest and you didn't see
the trees. This is why. Yeah, see not now see.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
But it's different the context, the context in which they
were playing is okay, he wasn't talking about nobody. He
said we collectively as a group. But that's that's almost like.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Snitching, Like what you mean, okay, we that's in house.
You know what I was late. Come and holler at
your boy, Come holler at me. Let me know you
know what I was late. Whatever, But you don't go
tell the media.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
You don't do it. Come on that. I don't know
how Mike McDaniel's make it through the end of the season.
Is he said, this is a leadership. He said, do
we make it mandatory or is it not mandatory? He's
putting the onus on the.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Coach, right, But obviously when it comes to players only meeting,
the coaches don't have anything to do with that. That
is something that is Hey, listen, we're gonna have a meeting.
We need to get make sure everybody's on the same page.
We need to make sure everybody on the page. So
let's meet at so and so time. Now, that's between coaches.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
I get it, my coach. That's between players the players.
But to see on your chest, what happened, O Joe,
is that when guys were showing up late for meetings
that were mandatory, that the coach had said, when guys
were showing up late for practice, and the coach didn't
nip it in the bud until they got too late.
And so what was one or two turned to three
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to four turning to five or six. Now, the restory
the report was that there were two main culprits and
neither one of the ones on our and one is
playing extreme well in Pittsburgh. But they were the main culprids,
but they didn't say they were the only culprits, So
hold on, James Brian says, I want to know what
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part of this is he going to take accountability for
two of through three picks. Today, Tua is third in
the NFL with the most interception thrown by a quarterback.
If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media,
I don't respect it. And since we're on the topic
of respect, I guarantee a lot of players don't respect
tour two points the finger and literally has four pointing
(59:35):
back at him. If you want to win, put us in. See, hey, listen,
you know what and see he just said it. He
just said it. You know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
I've been in the locker room before when it comes
to the quarterback position when things aren't going well, When
things aren't going when things aren't going.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's my fault.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
I got to do better. I have to play better.
When things are going well, you praise everybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I was able to do is because my office line,
because my receivers are playing well, my running backs they
running the ball really well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You can't do this because the reaction you're gonna get
from the players, But damn that's you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, they said, hold on to a tag turnover. That's
how you feel. You got, you got. You got to
be careful. You got to be careful if your team
you're fourteen, I'm getting up. He only in your he
only in your four or five? How mean your thirteen? Fourteen?
And I'm getting my ass up and getting there? Oh no,
(01:00:37):
hell no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
See listen, you you've been doing it. You you've been
doing it consecutive years. So you you used to the program, yes,
year three. You know you're not You're not activated to
the program just yet, not just yet. I know you're
still a professional, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
But here's the thing, Oh, Joe, what I understood is
that I knew he was that good of a player. Yeah,
one day he would sit in my chair. Yeah, and
understand I didn't won't see and guys look at you,
because I saw a lot of guys, and I was like, man,
I can't wait till I get I start making plays enough,
I can make a pro, will make an all pro.
(01:01:16):
Guys looking at that, and they gonna say, well, hey, man,
I can't wait, so I can be late to practice,
or I can skip this, or I can skip that.
I said, you going with it? No, No, no no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. We gonna we gonna do it. We're gonna
do it right. We're gonna have fun. I want to
have fun too. Hey, sharp man, we gambling shop there.
(01:01:41):
We're gonna have a good time. But when it comes
time to work, he's gonna work. We're gonna work. Oh, Jo,
we've be in training camph cool. We come in there
before we go to practice. Cool off of the coordinator.
He said, the boss need you to get them going today. Okay, okay,
(01:02:04):
So now, oh Joe, I go in there. Oh oh,
I'm gonna strike up the band on the today. Poo boo,
I'm start beating on, Oh Joe, I'm beating on. I'm
beating on the locker though. Boo boom boom boom. Oh,
I'm going to strike up the band on y'all. Oh yeah,
I'm going crazy, going crazy today.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Now, who gonna get this work?
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Practice a crazy? Hey, cool week, We're gonna get that
work in. We're gonna have a good time, but we
got the work. I'm not wasting my time, right, I
ain't here to lose. I'm not putting all this time in.
I just spend all this money in the off season.
I don't eat the way I fee to come in
(01:02:48):
here and be six and ten, to be five of
the level I'm coming to win. I'm trying to get
to the playoff. I'm trying to win the division, get
to the playoffs. I'm trying to get to a small
That's all I'm trying to do. All that other is
don't even matter to me. We could be so we
can look we could be friends, but we can be friendly.
They're two different things. I like that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I like that, And everybody, everybody on the fifty three
man roster, they do not get along.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
We all know. We all that for one common goal. Yes,
I like that. I like that. I like that we
could be friends and would be friendly. I like that's
a good one.
Oh Joe. Last week, Rico Ddell ran for over two
hundred yards. He knew the Cowboy was on the schedule.
They ask him, he said, tell them to buckle up. Yeah,
they didn't buckle up. The Cowboys beat the Panthers. Excuse me.
The Panthers beat the Cowboys by the score of thirty
to twenty seven. Another game in which the Cowboys defense
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were exposed. Brian Schottenheimer stood up for his defensive coordinator,
Matt Eberflus. The Cowboys allowed two hundred and sixteen rushing yards,
a season high, led by former Cowboy rico'donald, who had
one hundred and eighty three yards on thirty carries. It
marked the fourth time the Cowboys have allowed at least
one hundred and forty four yards rushing this season. It's
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also the fourth time this season the Cowboys have allowed
at least thirty points. It was also the fourth game
they have recorded one or fewer sacks. Now, I remember
O Joe because you know, Michael couldn't stop the run,
and you know, a dakins indispensable, and Dakin's playing well.
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Dak's playing well, but Doak is under the same situation
that your quarterback was under last year because his defense
is so putrid. If he punts the ball, when he
gets it back, if he had a lead, they're either
gonna be tied or they're gonna be closer than they
were when he punted the ball. Because his defense can't
stop anybody. That defense is atrocio. Now they keep blaming
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I don't know what it is. They fired Mike Nolan.
They said it was Mike Nolan. Now, some of those
players were still there. When Mike Nolan was there, they
had a Zim. It was Zim. He wasn't no good.
They got Mike Eberflus. So they've had three or four
different coordinators, and a lot of those same players that
were there are still there now. I want to know,
Oh Joy, at some point in time, we got to
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start holding these players accountable because we quick to blame board,
that coach, that coordinator, that is that that go ahead.
It's the coaches, it's the scheme.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But it's never it's never the players, which is why
I'm tired of hearing that, and I'm trying to hear
I'm tired of hearing that, especially out of the five, one,
three all the time. But we'll get to that game
in a minute. But I said this before the season started.
On people laughed at me when I said my surprise team,
I had two. I had to them was the Bears
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and the other one was the Carolina Panthers. I told him,
I want you to watch out for the Panthers. I
want to want you to want you to watch out
for Bryce Young, watch out for the defense, and watch
out for the court. I mean, watch out for the receivers.
And what are they doing? You saw what they did
to the Panthers. I mean, excuse me, you saw what
they did to Atlanta falcause not long ago.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You saw what they did today? Young bull, Young Bull.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't I don't want to. I don't want to.
Butcher's last name running back? How you said the right way?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ondell ll? You can say Donell, but I think they
say I think it's Donald. Yeah, I was gonna daddle
or DoD l. I heard it both ways. I don't
listen to the broadcast, So chat y'all have to have
to tell me how they say it as on the broadcast.
(03:20):
How do they say it? Do they say Dodelle or
they say Donald?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You know, people don't play by their last name now. Hey,
but listen, boy, he was on a mission. Yeah, he
was on a mission.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
If it wasn't it wasn't nothing cute about him today? No,
you know Rico, Rico swab. You know Rico supposed to
be killed. What nothing wasn't nothing cute about Rico today?
He told you this, Oh Joe, This man called this shot.
This man said he was gonna Donna. You know how
you do?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know how difficult that is to call your shot
in the middle of the week before the game and
tell people to buckle up and then actually go out
there and do exactly what's gonna do, which is the
reason why you said you need to buckle up. On
the ground catching the air man, Manaldelle.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Was all over the place. He was yeah, dowdle But
I thought that, But I was like, hey, they say Donille, Hey,
but oh Joe. At some point, at some point, Jerry
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has to understand his defense is built. They're undersized. When
you have an undersized defense, what does that mean, O Joe?
You're built to play with the lead because you want
to eliminate the run game because you're fourteen seventeen points up.
They're not gonna run it now. You use those undersized
guys to stream up the stream up field. Okay, what
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happens when you got to sit your light ass in
there and catch they ain't got nobody to hunker down. Jared,
I'm very disappointed in you because everything were you. You
were yacking. You win a game, you yacking, You had
a tie ball game, and they couldn't get him out
the podium. Hell, they thought it was a ring master
because hey, ren Herd, stop right up now, Caro. A
(05:14):
lot of them put foots in you. But now you
Jared didn't speak to the media. Why not? Oh oh no,
it is today, absolutely not. I do you want to talk? Yeah,
exactly front running now, Oh hold up, you remember a
couple you remember what was it last week? And then
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you see what I'm talking about. Now look at him.
Everything that went wrong? Well, you know, Michael wasn't good
against the run. Okay, Michael gone, what's your problem now? Right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Mm?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well we didn't go that far when we had Michael. Okay,
how far you gonna go without him? Now? Because you're
two three and one.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Hey, listen, if they're gonna have a shot now, I
know we didn't get to it yet, but offensively, we
get that in a minute. But boy, dak well, he
earning every bit of that's sixty. He earned it, every
bit of that's sixty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The calories, O yo, help the calories. If you go,
if you say, you know what, if you say, man,
you know what, I'm gonna get in shape. I'm I'm
gonna get in shape. I'm gonna eat healthy. Bro, you
go eat twinkings and ho hos, all the miss and
empty calories. They don't do nothing for you. They satisfy
your craving, but they lad absolutely no nutritional value. That's
what those stats are.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
But you got you gotta understand. Listen, I'm doing my job.
I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. This is a
team game, right, so yeah, I'm supposed to win. Yeah,
that that too. But to give you, I need y'all
to stop something over here.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They're not. I need y'all stop some over here, I
will say. To his credit though, ojo, he hasn't turned
the ball over. No, no, no, you're playing clean. He playing.
I will concede, but it's hard because he knows he
has to be perfect. Yeah, because my team not gonna
stop anybody right now? Right, Hey, right now. We can't
(07:08):
stop a park car. We already so you know that
going into the ball game, I already know what I'm
up against that secondary look like you can't stop with
what a park car. I don't know if Diggs, I
(07:29):
don't know if Diggs is still hurt, he's still he
not the same. Digs don't even look the same to me.
I know dig Digs better than this. I don't know
if that injury, if he's one hundred percent recovery, because
I know he's you know, you know they find him
five hundred thousand because he wasn't around or whatever's going on.
But he doesn't look. He was always a clure. He
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was always a guesser. Yeah, and and look and now
he got in. He got incredible hands. He gets his
hands on the ball, he coming down with it, and most.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of it, most of the times when he does guess,
he gets in the right way because you know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Not anymore on the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Offense side of the ball. He didn't looked at say,
he didn't look the same day.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He ain't looked the same in a while. Yeah, he
ain't looked the same in a while. And the defense
and because look they got those guys. Those like I said,
teams just gonna run the ball, And now where you
run the ball, you're gonna have to drop the safety
down to Now you don't really have no help over
the top, none at all. I mean, if they ran
the ball thirty eight times for two sixteen, thinking back,
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you did last in total yards you like twenty fourth
and rush yards allowed, you probably did last. The points
were there in points allowed because they gave up forty
to the Packers. They gave up thirty to day, they
gave up what twenty four, they've probably average a giving
up twenty four. They're close to the bottom that they
twenty eight through thirty two in points allowed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Listen, don't be Nobody should be surprised if you're in
the chat tonight. I'm sure you're a faithful he been
and you've been watching for a very long time. I
told you before the season started, I told you about
the Panthers. Everybody laughed at me, outside of the Panthers fans.
Everybody laughed at me. Oh o, Joe man. They sorry
they did say that. I told you no, and I
(09:14):
kept acting. Now I'm gonna remind you again. Hey, keep
pounding bitch, we see harr is the problem that I have,
ojo what happened?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You see at some point in time. Now you're gonna
have to, like when you get the ball, you gonna
have to keep putting points on the board. You can't
be content when you gotta lead. They put the ball,
you gotta go get points again. Because you know that
was an anomaly that your defense stopped them. What's the
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likelihood your defense gonna pitt your shut out? The second
half not hapening? They up, They gave up seven, They
gave up ten points in the fourth quarter. More time
than not that they scored three in the fourth quarter.
So they scored ten and they gave up seventeen. Bryce
Young seventeen or twenty seventeen or twenty five a buck
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ninety nine, three touchdowns, one pick, sack, one time for
five yards thirty eight carries two hundred sixteen yards. George
Pickens playing his ass off.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hey, well, you see, remember we talked about Remember I
told you what You're gonna have no issues out of
my out of broh yep, I told you that, not
that conversation. George, I know you're gonna see this. Why
I love you, but I love y'all. I told you
it's okay, It's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
This is this is why your team is two three
and one. The Cowboys dead lasting total D, dead lasting
past D, dead lasting third down percentage second to the
worst points allowed, averaging thirty points seven points a game. Damn.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Wait offensively, I'm I'm sure they're little hiding way hiding out.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You ain't overcoming that. No, you can't. You can't because
you think about what you got to think about it?
Oh yo, In order for you to have it, they're
giving up thirty point seven. So in that order for
you to be winning, that means you got to score
thirty point eight.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah a game. A game that's very difficult, very very difficult.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They got the second best offense on yo, fourth in points,
the fourth in points twenty nine point seven. So you
give up one more O Joe? See, yeah, that we
were close. All I need to do is score one
more point than you, and that's what they average. Guess
what they scored twenty nine point seven. They give up
thirty points seven. So guess what if you score twenty nine,
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I score thirty? Who win? You know that situation right there?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
To give people a better perspective to give people a
better context. It sounds like another team. When my quarterback
is healthy, we go through that same issue.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, the bingals and we.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Scoring thirty a game with everybody is healthy, Shet. The
other team scoring thirty two. We scored for it, they
score fifty.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
You can't win. Yeah, look what you saw it. Last
year y'all scored thirty eight. Y'all lose forty one to
thirty eight. Y'all scored thirty five. They score thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, Jerry said Michael was the problem.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know. Jared didn't say Jared. Jared didn't say
anything today. I want to know. See front running now,
see all that, you all out the window and the
owner's box, you all out. Oh, we're just having a
good time. We have you know, the cowboy fans. We
traveled the Cowboy fans. We just having a good old time. Yeah,
I ain't see it. Hey, this is all. This is
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what you saw. This is what you saw today. Oh,
Joe in the flights, kids a school, kids with its
raided outside and you ain't got no recess.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, you got to sit there and look out the window.
You know, something like this. How do you fix it.
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
This is just not a one player issue, d Eventsively,
This is not you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Gotta get You gotta get better players. You gotta get
better players. Look, it's hard to get them now because
you got what you got. But you have a team.
You have a team that's built on playing with the lead. Well,
if you can't get the lead, O Jo, you can't
just turn them loose, because if you just run your
ass up the field, they're gonna just run where you
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will left, so you catch it. They too small, they
got they ain't got no bricks in the back pocket.
You can't drop anchor with them little light ass guys.
They got up there. Man, they got guys back pocket
shaking hand. They're so small in the ass.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
A matter of fact, you know what I'm thinking about
it if I was Jerry, and listen, I'm putting my
owner's hat on.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm putting my owner's hat.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I need to get someone the anchor that front, someone
that I could build around and he can be that
centerpiece for me.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Jared don't care about winning, O Joe. We've been we've
been determined that Oo don't Jerry don't care about winning?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right, I'm just high pathetically talking. Hey chat, tell me
what you think right now, Tennessee Titans. I'm going to
get Jeffrey Simmons to anchor my defense and build from
that bill from there out, build from the inside out.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We'll start over. What you think I'm going. Well, George
Pick gonna want a lot of money. George Picking's gonna
want at least DK money.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh and he gonna get DK money. Okay, let me
show you. Let me show you what's gonna happen or
what can happen. Ceedee Lamb, who's considered the top five
quarter quarterback, who considered the top five receiver when we
talk about receiving when he goes, Let me show you
what I can do. I can pick up right with you.
Show you what I can do if I get the
opportunities that I deserve that I should have got when
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I was in.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know where. I'm not gonna bring bring them up.
But I can do number two.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I can take you deep or I can take a
slam to the house.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Man. Stop. This is what if he gets his hands
on the ball and he faced your ass up as
a rap. Good luck down there getting his ass on
the ground. That is a rap is a rap. He
He reminds you of a smaller version of t O.
You remember how t O ran angry? If t got
(15:13):
the ball in his hands and he faced you up,
You not you right here in front of him, not
getting him on the ground, you better hope that. Hey,
I'm hey, come on, which ware you go? I'm gonna
try to hold him. I come on, man, damn, I
can't hold him here forever? You breathe? Hell? Come, what
the hell? Man? And that's how y'all. That's what they
(15:35):
have to do with pick. If he getting the ball
in his hands and he turns around and square your
ass up, rap, and then he and he know it's funny.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
He's faster then he looked because he played fast.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
He might not be He might have I don't even
know what he ran. He might have ran four four
old Joe. But they're there are guys that might not
run fast but play fast. That's Jerry. Jerry didn't run fast,
but he played fast. Em It didn't run fast, but
he played fast. He has what they call functional speed.
He has football speed. Yeah, you get him out there
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to test for boy man, not mofo.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I told listen, I told you before the season started
you did.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'm glad because I was like, Bro, you got that.
That's money, Bro, you got you got an opportunity to
make two hundred million dollars to set your family up
for generations and generations. I mean that might be a
George Piggins the fourth They say, my great great granddad
put me and put me and put this family in position.
Pro don't waste that day. Don't don't, don't, don't. Don't
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mess up your money with some foolishness. The best thing
to happen. He needed to get out of Pittsburgh. He
needed to change the scenery. And sometimes that's what that's
what it takes, so Joe. Sometimes it takes a change
of scenery. Sometimes it takes somebody him or her to
get into a new relationship in order for them to
be their very best.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Mm hmm yeah, absolutely absolutely, And now I'm glad for them.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
But again I'm I'm happy. But the Cowboys, I Jerry
don't care about why we've decided this. You and I
we talked about this for years. Jared cared more about money.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, we under we understand that too, But I'm thinking
from a defensive perspective with them, ye, dead last in
every category and every statistic and every metric in every standard.
When it comes to football Week six Novembers coming up deadline,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
If you were to make some some type of.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Hasty move, I would love to see them. It probably
won't happen. I'm just thinking, I'm putting my GM hat on.
I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons, you know, quality top
three defense defensive tackle in the NFL right right now
to this day. Boom, I'm putting you right there on
a bill around you, I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Bit around you. Yeah, But that's just me what y'all think.
Jack and I know the linebackers are very good, o Jo.
The linebacker's not very good. They ain't nothing. They ain't
got no plug. I mean, look Sam with if they
got guys trying to rush off the edge. But I'm
talking about like a like a like a mic backer.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well hold on, understand, let me tell you something. You
might not like what they have right now, because with
that backer had that Mike backer has in front of him,
it's lighting ass. Now, what happened if you go get
that big ninety eight from goddamn over there in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And you you get that, you get to be able
to ru I want to get why I want to
give him up to you? What you're gonna get me?
Wasn't the first round piece that you got from the Packers.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Maybe we can, hey, listen, if I if we Jerry,
we can negotiate.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But but Jerry don't like that, O Joe, he don't.
He don't want to give up. He likes Jerry likes
to develop players. So Jerry, Jerry, Jerry has gotten burned
uh uh in free agency. And so he's like that,
he's done with it. He's done with it. He's not
gonna he's gonna get guys that he gonna get the
Jadevian Clowney and and and Clowney had. But Clowney is
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he's not gonna He's not gonna move the he's not
gonna move the needle. Right, He's not the clowny of
old No no, no no. And we had that discussion.
We don't think he ever lived up to what we
thought he was gonna be. He was in the draft
with Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack turned out to be the
better player. That's what what what what? He what Khalil
Mack is. That's what we thought Jadavian Clowney was gonna be,
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right based on what we saw in college. You probably
got to go back to it in Dominican Sue to
find a guy that raised hell now dominated the dominated
like Jadavian Clowney did his sophomore year. His junior year,
he was just trying not to get hurt, right, so
he didn't play like he did his sophomore year. But
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go back and look at it, Dominkin Soue. Last year,
you was like, Okay, that's the best player in the country. Now,
I forget who the Heisman Trophy that year, Sam. I
think with the Sam Brafford Sam Brafford won that was
the best and Dominic m Sue was the best player
in the country that year. That's what we thought Jadavian
Cloudy was gonna be. But we'll see what Jerry's gonna
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do right now. I mean, it would have been I've been
lovely to hear from him, but unfortunately we did not
hear from him. O jo o jo. The ram stuffed
the Ravens seventeen to three, dropping the Ravens to one
and five. Since the fourteen team playoff four match started
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in twenty twenty. Only one team, Washington in twenty twenty
started one in five and made the playoffs. The Ravens
have been outscored ninety eight thirty three in the past
three weeks. Only glimmer of hope is Lamar Jackson could
return from his hamstring injury after the Week seven by
Baltimore committed three turnovers, including an interception and a fumber
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by Cooper Rush, who was benched in the fourth quarter
for Tyler Hunt. The ravens three points are the fewest
home since two thousand and two, when the Buccaneers shut
out the buck When they were shut out by the
Buccaneers twenty five to nothing, I was gonna say I
wasn't on that time. I was looking at I remember
being the Bucket. But anyway, Baltimore has lost it's past
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six games without Lamar and failed to score more than
seventeen points in each de hop Bad football gets you
to one and five. So whatever you put out there,
that's how football works.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Can I tell you something, go ahead before you can go.
I expected the Rams to do this. I expected the
Rams to do this, especially the way the Ravens looked
and where their rings statistically on defense, can't stop the run,
can't stop the pass. So I understood a high volume
passing team with staff was gonna come out there and
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do exactly what they did. Now on the other thing,
the thing on the other side of things. As much
as I want to make fun of you and your ravens,
I'm not. You know why I'm not because them being
one and five lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. Yeah,
valuable that team is. Let's say Lamar Jackson doesn't play
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the rest of the season. I say, what, y'all go,
what maybe one in sixteen? You know, there's a possibility
that may happen. There may be some games where, you know,
Cooper Rush or Tyler Huntley come in.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And Cooper Rush ain't it. And I told him at
the beginning of the season, right, I mean, y'all remember
Cooper Rush. I mean, Cooper Rush had y'all food. Jerry
said he was it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Jerry said there was a good chance he could be
the future star the Cowboys. But that neither here nor there.
It lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. You
mean to tell me that Lamar Jackson basically puts his
team on his shoulders every week and goes out there
and wins with this team, he's the reasons why we
are able to go and compete weekend and week out.
(22:54):
Even with the shortcomings when you get to the playoffs,
he still gives us our best chance. So what I've
seen from the Ravens so far, when Lamar went out,
even when he was in, they still had a chance.
But him with him being out, you don't stand a
chance to do.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nothing because the offense is Lamar centric. So it's gonna
be hard to win when you built your offense around
the guy and that guy's not in there. Like you said,
they weren't winning very many games with Lamar in there.
This year. Cooper Rush eleventh of nineteen seventy two yards,
man through the ball seventy two to nineteen times had
seventy two yards, so they were six d there was
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twenty one to thirty four collectively fo one hundred and
seventeen yards.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And also not just talking about the quarterback too, the
other players on offense. You have to raise your level
of play because you don't you don't have eight back there.
Because you don't have eight back there, you have to
bring your level of play up to par to hide
the weakness. Yes, quarterback is out. Zay baby Zay or
you that boy. You have to take over situations like
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this when you get to I mean, I see that
they're trying to make them plays, trying to do extra,
trying to add that that that sparked that offense. You know,
is it's just everybody, baiteman. Everybody has to It has
to be a colective effort. Okay, we don't have our quarterback.
That means all of us we got to play damn
near perfect. You have to, especially his NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Especially turnovers.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, you're not gonna recover because with them turnovers, they
getting points off them turnovers.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
They're not because they're not They're not good enough to
overcome that. Yeah, yeah, that's the problem. Oh, your people
saying I snitched. I didn't snitch. We had the meeting
because Mike call the meeting. Mike knew he wasn't in
the meeting. I told him what I recommended because I
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didn't want him to like man hey to me for
me to be talking to him and all the while,
I recommended that Mike suspended asked for a game. So
I told him Yeah, ain't want no snitch. I snitched
on myself. I snitched on myself. Or you want to
say something because whatever normally, whatever happened in that meeting,
it stayed in the meeting. Yeah. I just wanted him
to know. That was my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
People are holding you accountable to street guidelines and this
ain't the street life.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Joe, this is oh Joe, Oh Joe. Yeah. If I
if I go tell you what I told somebody, how's
that snicheing? I told you what I told him? Yeah,
normally snitch don't come back and tell somebody or bad
you know I told such and such on you. Yeah,
they don't do that. Yeah, it was a meeting. We
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had a meeting. What was going to be the punishment.
Clearly finding him wasn't getting the message through right because
he kept doing the same thing. He kept doing the
same thing. This is what I recommended. Now he didn't
take my recommendation, but I told him, I said, this
is what I recommended. Hey, hey, you were to told
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me that if I was ale team, you would have
told me I was told anybody, Hey, I would I would.
I would probably dropped you on the spot. I would
have had to whoop you. We will. Hey, we gotta
fight every day. Guess what, you'd have missed that next game.
I guarantee you and you wouldn't even miss You wouldn't
even been suspended. I would have missed that game. Boy,
we told that locker room up. I guest you, we
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just told that locker room up. Oh, we're gonna tell
that locker room up for sure. Damn, we're gonna tell
the locker roo bub about Joe whatever. Dack Henry had
(26:45):
one of his best days on twenty four. Character Buck
twenty two and you only get three points. You read
the ball really well, uh, I mean think about it.
You have more rush yards than pass yards. That's bad.
And like I said, I think they got a bye week.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So he'll get an extra week off. Lamar get an
extra week off so he could come back out of
the by.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Right, I mean, do you want him to come back
out of the buy being that you really don't have
a chance of doing anything. Can they string off seven
or eight games in a row?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
They can? Yeah, yeah they can't. They have that kind
of billy ojo. I mean that's Lamar. You believe in
Lamar run off three, but you see you see how
they look without him? Yes, okay, you're right, that's crazy.
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The thing is is that you're probably gonna have to
win that division because it looks like look at the
AFC West Kansas City, Denver, the Chargers could you possibly get?
You got the AFC South right now? Andy looks good
and Jacksonville even though Jacksonville. Hey, hey, hey, duval, y'all
(28:04):
want us to talk about the Jags today because y'all
got mad at me and o Joe. Y'all don't never
say nothing about the Jag y'all gig Jack Jack? Okay,
where y'all at? I ain't seen not one person meant
nothing about the Jags. We talked good about the Jags.
But but oh Joe, that was the thing. People want
us to talk about the team? Yeah, when they when
they are two and twelve, what we're gonna say? Whoa
(28:25):
Jack Jack Jack? Okay, y'all, Hey, Duval, where y'all at?
Y'all wanted to talk about the jacksh.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't know, Joe. They're gonna have to put some
They're gonna have to put some stuff together. Many Derick
Henry can can can get hot. He and Lamar can
carry your team, O Joe. They did it last year. Absolutely,
they did it last year. Absolutely. I just I just
a lot of people that that there's really nothing. There's
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nothing bad. You can obviously they're there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You can pick and talk about Lamar jack and what
he can and what he can't do, and you know,
no playoff success, but Lamar being absent it shows you
how valuable, how good of a player he is, that
the team is not even functional offensively without him there
no and how important the quarterback position is as well,
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and why he makes and commands a kind of money
he's making. You take a Lamar Jackson out, you see
what you get. You take a Joe burrowed out there equation,
and you see what you get. Josh Allen obviously he
hasn't been hurt, but I'm sure they wouldn't be able
to function as well offensively. It just a teams the
dynamic of everything that makes your team who it is
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when these top top tier quarterbacks are no longer available
for your team.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Had the defense been playing as well as they played today,
they held him to seventeen points. You don't normally owt Yoe.
They give up forty, they give up thirties. If they
had been playing that, well, maybe they won a few
more games. Get this game here, o Joe. I'm trying
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to join you. See. Oh here it is right here.
I found Damn it disappeared on me. You don't want
me to see. I'm gonna get it, though, I'm gonna
find it. Who at Ochoe. I don't know if you've
ever heard of something like this, but it happened during
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the Colts pregame warm up warm up. Anthony Richards Richardson
fractured his orbital bone when he had an issue with
a rubber leg band, so you know how you're doing
the stretch band and stuff like that. I guess it snapped,
if I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, Chad, you
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can correct me. I think there was a situation where
rest is soul. Congressman Harry Reid had a very similar
situation using an exercise band. It snapped, popped him in
the eye, and I think he lost the vision in
the eye. Then, to make matters worse, Tradavious war was
warming up on the field. He collided with Drew Overtree.
Some of the concussion he missed the game.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Hey, have you seen something that happen before. No, yeah,
I've never seen nothing like that happen before. Now, the
band and the stretching and it pops. I understand that, Yes,
I understand that now that now that can happen because
it's happened to me before, but not to where you
know it right anywhere in the face. But hey, depends
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on what band you're using. You know, they got the
thick bands they have the.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
H yeah, but they have you know, the ones that
they have for PT not those not those thick like
weightlifting bands you know that we attached that were attached
to the bar bells and stuff like that to get
extra tension. These are the bands that they you know,
you know, you be stretching me, do it like that
and you see you see the guy like loosening up
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with him. Huh that I thought he broke us over
the bone. Yeah it's it's snapped. Yeah, I don't. Those
little peat bands can't do that. Yeah, well that's what
did it? Okay, damn mm hmm mm hmmm. That's less
unlucky man. But but to think about how how many
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times you know people have been using those in stretched
and after a while, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh oho,
you know, you know you're getting the medicine balls, oh show,
and you slam them down and some of them are
bounced up to you and some of you have to
bend down to pick him up up. Yeah. And were
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in class one day and this lady got wondered. He
didn't realize it that it was gonna bounce. Yeah, hit
it right and stood over it. I think that they
hear in the face about four times bout four or
five times, Oh Joe, oh yo, oh are you laughing?
(33:16):
The lady ain't gonna help.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I was like, I was like this here because it's
something like you see in the cartoons. Making the cartoons
do it, and that's how it was, but it was
real life. I was like, oh my goodness, oh hell yeah,
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that's fine. Man. What'd you call him? Uh huh? Anthony
Richardson got buzzled? Look yeah, man, yeah, I mean you
got I mean, do you understand how unlucky that you
have to be for something like that to happen. I mean,
you hear stuff like that happened, Joe. You know you
read like such and such happening that I remember, Like
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I said, I think Congressman Harry Reid had something very
similar to happen, but he was like elderly. It's probably
like eighty years old, eighty eighty five years old, maybe
even older when that happened. But a young man something
happened like that. Man, gosh, and.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm trying, I'm trying to listen. Obviously I wasn't there.
I wasn't there to see it. I'm just confused on
what exercise you might have been doing, what stretch you
might have been doing for that to be even be possible.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know, he might have been he might have been
laying on his back. That's right, that's right, that's right.
And then you know, like you said, maybe it was
one of those one of those thicker bands.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
And you know, the funny thing about it is when
it pops, you don't know it's gonna pop, and you
don't have the quick titch, the quick titch quick twitch
fibers do be able to react fast enough.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Oh no, no, no, that pop is a rap. You
only really you only react after it's done happen.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, just a thought of that,
just thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Hell yeah, and man, so hopefully Anthon Richardson, can you
know you know, I'm telling that's that's pain. I fractured
my orbital so I know the pain. Man, It felt
like a you know well, the doctor said it was
like if I was in a bar fight and somebody
kicked me in the eyes. So I had a complete orbit.
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I had a complete blowout of the orbital floor. Because
your eye sists in a socket the floor. My floor
was completely gone. So my eye dropped like three and
I have four millimeters. Ah, so they have to go
in there. So that's why it's really hard for you know,
I'm constantly like my nose because I got a plate.
I got a carbon fiber plate. My eye is actually
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sitting on a carbon fiber plate. Like, hey, this is interesting.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You know, most most high end, most high end vehicles
have carbon fiber, you know, on the outside.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And yeah, so you got it, you got it in here.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah. But the only thing is man,
and the thing was O joe, you know. Had I
was congested. My sisters said, man, you ought to use
a natty pot. I said, what's the natty pot? It's
like a natty pot where you pull pull water, saline water, salt,
water up one nostril and let it. You know, you
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tried it got infected, the bacteria got caught, got caught
in that mesh. Looked like somebody, somebody, somebody punching me
in the eye. I closed up. I ain't know what
I oh, Joe, it got so in fact that I
ended up. I ended up. I ended up having on mercer.
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I was in the house in I was in the
hospital for like four day's God damn. Then they sent
me home with a pigline. I was getting a thousand.
I was getting a thousand over a thousand Middle Grounds.
I was doing like two I bags IV of just Animiotics,
bank of Myson Peak Life. So I got the thing
in the pole riding around and it's going straight and
going straight into to try to get it up out
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of them. Yeah, clearing up. It took me like two
weeks to get over it right, got another cold, closed
back up. Went to the doctor. He says, we're gonna
have to change this plate. He said, don't ever use
He said, don't ever use the natty pot again. He said, you,
I gotta be careful. If I blow my nose, my nose,
my nose will start bleeding.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Hey, this is this is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You damn you like RoboCop? Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But if you go through the metal detective, does that
does it go off?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Or no? Uh no, it doesn't go off. But I
got the artificial helps and they always, you know, they
go off you like you, like you like a cipher word. Okay,
I like that. That's dope. All I know is that
every time I go off today they said that little
Richard call them what they showed a little writ of
mister sharp you uh as you can see right down?
(38:08):
I say, yeah, I know. So they got a hey.
I don't okay, yeah, man I had I had a
bad bad hey. Well I was messed up, man, I
was messed up. Daniel Jones finished twenty two or thirty
to twelve two touchdowns in an exception, and he gets
credit for a fourth quarter game winning drive when he
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helped engineer a nine plays, sixty six yard drive that
ended with a decisive touchdown with four thirty two remaining.
Only two quarterbacks have led coach to five wins through
six weeks since two thousand. Pyton Manny and Daniel Jones. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I don't I don't know when I talk about quarterbacks,
and I say, situation matters where you go, your environment,
the weapons around you. As some people say, oh, coaching matters, well, listen,
coaching only matters when you have players like this, the
situation that Baker Mayfield in, the situation that Sam Donald
is in again for the second time, obviously, the situation
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in Minnesota. Now you see what he's doing over in Seattle,
and now Danny Jones going through the New York Giants,
which wasn't going well, and what he's doing now, and
goddamn Indy.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It needs to be studied. It needs it needs to
be studied.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And it's so important, not going high in the draft,
forget what number you go, but going to the right
situation where you go.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, it's all about where you go, more important where
than ha ha. Yeah. And Daniel Jones is showing that
he's played unbelievable Indiana. Jones has been great. Uh, He's
parlayed himself into a he's gonna have He's gonna get
a big payday. Oh Joe, if he keeps this up,
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I have a question. The funny thing about it is
is he's going to get a huge payday.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Are the Coats going to the coach, are going definitely
going to be the team to keep him because now
he's auditioning. Yeah, I might need a quarterback as well,
you know that, right who he's auditioning for other teams.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That might be a need of the building.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
We got him, Okay, I'm just making sure he's definitely
getting that bag.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But a team that we did hear from to day,
Aaron Rodgers through two tds. He let's continue their home
dominance over the Browns by the score of twenty three
to nine. Steelers seemingly, oh Joe on cruise control. There
are four and one in the division, Cleveland one in five,
Baltimore one in five. I think one in five. Cincinnati
(40:41):
has lost what four straight, so now they're two and
four Pittsburgh Division to lose, Ojoe.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, absolutely, And honestly, I don't see I don't see
him losing it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And I can yeah, I can say this.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
As as much as I love my Bangals, I don't
see him losing it now. I saw some some something nice.
We'll talk about later when we get to the Bengals.
But god damn, Aaron Rodgers got them boys playing on
all cylind zone, the special offense playing on all cylinders.
As good as that defense is over in Pittsburgh's with
the names that they do have, they start yelling and
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playing that good football the right way that know.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We know, the way we know they can play.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
They gonna be fine. As long as Aaron Rodgers is
playing like Aaron Rodgers is playing that they always gonna
be in contention and they're going to be hard to beat.
Forget right now, I ain't talk about Week six. I'm
talking about when real football starts after Thanksgiving, getting into
the postseason, when it's cold and you got to go
over there to it ain't called heines Field no more.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I think it is still Heinsville.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
When you got to Heinsfield, Well, you ain't gonna be
able to throw the ball fifty times the game. You're
gonna have to put it on the ground. And you
got Cam Haywood, you got goddamn TJ. Walk coming off
that got damn in and up down. I forgot a
young bull name, whether it's Smith fifty six, fifty six
hot Smith, Yeah, ooh man, stop playing man, Yeah, it
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ain't nice now. Then then the back end really ain't
got no weakness.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
O Joe. It's called Acrossure Stadium. Now no longer hines
Field Acrossure Stadium. Oh the hell is acro Sure, don't
start me to.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Line, I tell you what, and I mean, though, disrespect
to acting.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I like to say heines Field because that's where I played.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
At that I played it. I played in hines Field
and I played the Three Rivers the old Three River Stadium.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So when they had when they had the carpet, they
had the car.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh yeah yeah, still yeah, and the stadium stadium would
be bouncing. I mean you, I mean you could literally
see it. It's bouncing up and down. They started rocking.
The Browns offense failed to a clip seventeen points for
the eleventh straight game. Dylan Gabriel, Uh, twenty nine and
fifty two two hundred and twenty one yards six six times.
(43:02):
How do you so you mean to tell me your guy.
You're gonna let your guy and it's set to start.
You gonna let him throw the ball fifty two times
against that defense on the road. But it's hard to
run on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Huh, it's hard. It's hard to run on the Steelers.
So the other, the only other viable option is is
you gotta throw it. And when you think about Dylan Gabriel,
when you watch him in the games where he's had success,
anything outside inside the numbers, inside the hashes, he's really good.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's nothing, nothing really long. You know, sometime you get
some some some short digs some if you know that,
guess who else knows that that he's good inside the
numbers on short stuff the other team? Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
that's what thinks out your think about it. You threw
the ball fifty two times and you only had two
and twenty one yards. Yeah, you missed twenty three attempts
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bro out of Cleveland. If y'all try to get the
number one pick, just say that. Whoa, no, they now
have to fight the jais No no, no, no, no,
no no. They they wanted number one pick for what
to get? What quarterback?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Because they's nothing we done see on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's willing to wait fun. No, absolutely not. I guess
they want that pass rushing number six from Miami and
pair him with Miles Garrett. I don't know, maybe traded
for some more players. Okay, I like you, I see
where you're going. I like what you think. I like
what you're putting up. Hey, Miles Garrett said, losing the
(44:32):
same way as frustrating. Miles, this is what you signed
up for. You took the money. I ain't got no
problem with that, Oh Joe, I have no problem with that.
But Miles Garrett knew they were not going to win.
They really haven't won since he been there, They've gotten worse.
So you can't say it gets old. When you took
the money, you said you wanted a chance to win.
(44:53):
They dangle forty million dollars per year, gave you one
hundred plus one hundred, five hundred ten million, fully guarante.
You took the money. So now you can't complain because
you knew what made you trust them that they were
gonna be able to do something in one to two
years that haven't been able to do in your tenures
(45:14):
since you've been there. You're talking, but you know you
know that wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
You know you know why there was no guaranteed money left.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I know I know what it was. Look, he ain't
got no guaranteed money. He won't guaranteed money. He gonna say,
I won't out, Really he won't guarantee money. I get that,
Oh Joe, I get it. I do and chat. I
don't want y'all to think I don't understand, but don't complain.
When you said you said you wanted a chance to win,
you said you wanted to compete. You knew with the
(45:45):
exception of that one year, you guys haven't been able
to compete. And you trust this organization to put build
to build pieces around you and do the right thing
by getting a quarterback, you trusted them.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
They have a bad history at that specific position, the
one position you need to be able to compete, to
be able to contend. The identity for the Cleveland Browns
has always been their defense.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, it has been.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
The hard part has been finding quarterback that is good,
not great, just good enough to consistently not only keep
you in games, but win games when you're in certain situations,
especially games that are close. You just have you go
through straight a string of maybe four weeks five weeks
(46:38):
of really good I'm about consistently throughout a season, especially
when it matters most.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You haven't been able to find that. No, I'm and
I'm supposed to trust you that you're going to find that.
But but what he's finding out, O Joe, is that
money really can't buy happiness when you are competitors and
you want to win and to go out there and
beat Yet, guess what that direct deposit is gonna hear
(47:06):
every Monday or if you get paid on the first
in fifteen, that deposit is gonna hit. But them losses,
they hurt. I guarantee you when you out there taking
our l I ain't I have number one time, like man,
that check gonna be in my that check gonna be No,
I'm going to get my check, So I ain't. I
just got direct deposit in twenty sixteen. But anyway, I
never thought that they I'm gonna go upstairs tomorrow get
(47:26):
that pay check. I didn't think about that. If we
don't think like that, oh we don't. When them l
start to add up on Yo, I've been lou lost
six games in a row, seven games in a row.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Please you out there practicing and then guess what. Guess
what was about to happen on Joe, Tell them what's
gonna happen in Cleveland? That temperature about to drop. We
was gonna get cold. It's gonna get cold, get cold.
And guess what you get cold? Now you're out there
practicing in the twenty degrees and then come Sunday you practice,
you playing in twenty degrees fifteen to ten and you
(47:58):
catching a l after al after al after al.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
O.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Joe Ann Gabriel completed four passes over ten yards in
the air today. He threw the ball fifty two times,
but kept him in the game for the entirety of
the game. But I just told you they don't. They don't.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You see how they protect justin fields when when they're
going to the end of the half because of the
decision making, we don't.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Know what he's gonna do with the ball.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
So how do you hide the quarterback weaknesses whatever weaknesses
he may have that we can't see now, you and
I know he can't throw outside the numbers.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
He can't.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He can't be on the left half and throw atr
comeback on the right side.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh hell no, that's not the type of quarter comeback
the other way for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, So you have to call plays that are predicated
to his strengths. His strengths are throwing intermediate and his
short routes.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
So therefore all.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Plays based on what he's able to do extremely well.
Now that's no knock on him that's no knock on him.
So what we ask of you, that's all what we're
asking you based on what you can do well for
us offensively. That's what we're gonna do because that's what
you provide for us as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Now, that limits your playbook, It limits what you call.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
It limits some of the things you like to do
as opposed to other quarterbacks that have the arm strength
or the the or the prowess to be able to
open up the playbook and do and do more.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So, I mean, I didn't want to say it like that.
I thought everyone else could see that and understood that,
especially when you when you watch him play some of
the some of the players of the call. Now some
some frustrations might might arise with maybe Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Jared Juda had thirteen targets called five passes. Bannon Jr.
Had ten targets called seven. Joku has six called three.
Damn oh, Joe I had a more DK four catches
man uh uh. He had a go ball and Roger
and the wind called it brought it brought it back.
(50:09):
I mean he was like he was like five yards
in front of the dB rap. Hold on, wait, he
caught he caught one D ball on that he caught
a D ball that was later but he ended up.
But he had one that had been that had been
that was a show enough touchdown and Rogers put it up.
And I guess the wind called it because Rogers he
turned abright and looked up like damn, I ain't no,
(50:32):
I ain't know. It was like like that. Okay, but
uh oh, Joe, I just I don't. I don't know
what Cleveland's doing. I don't know if they're trying to
get that, they're trying to get the number one pick. No,
you could have to fight the Jets for it. There's
nothing out there. This is this is no knock and chat.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Y'all know because y'all watched college football. There was nothing
out there that is glaring where it's like where teams
are clamoring for those who are in situations like the
Browns or let's say like the Cowboy defensively where you know,
we got to have him.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
We got to have him, so.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
We're gonna do it's necessary to make sure we're in
a position to be able to get him. It is
nobody like that right now, and nobody popping out on film.
It might be some off of the attackle or some
defensive tackles that we don't know about. But the skill
position or quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
They need to go get that Cowboys. They need to
trade the two draft picks they got this year and
to go up there and get that guy from Miami
Bang Junior. Right, you need to hell raiser like that.
Those are the type of guys that change the future,
that change a fortune. That's what they need. Eating nice
(51:48):
hell yeah, but I don't I don't like Dylan Gabriel throwning.
Letting Dylan Gabral throw the ball fifty two times.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
He threw four passes that had ten yards of distance.
He completed four passes over ten yards in the air
of the day, so everything is checked down. He dinking
and dunking and checking it down.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Now you know the digging and dunkin work. It can work,
depending on you can be efficient digging and duncan. But
at some point, once some boys say you know what
we're coming up, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Be able to put them all over their head. Though, Joe,
at some point in time, you gotta put a man,
you gotta put it. You gotta put somebody on the threat. Yeah, fear,
you gotta put fear, you got, you gotta put Joe.
If I don't bro I'm I'm sitting. They played The
Raider and the Chiefs. You had to throw the in
the in the first ten plays, you had to throw
a go ball or them more. Fold's gonna sit right
(52:42):
there on everything on everything you played. The Raiders when
you played had a t MAC and they had Alba Lewis.
So we went over there and they had Dale Card
in Kansas City and they had a uh, what's I
forget the guy's name, Lord, have mercy. If you did
not move them, if you did not throw a go ball,
(53:04):
It's like, look, we ain't trying to complete it, but
you gotta put fear on them, because boy, they ain't moving.
Keep thinking they're not moving. Man. I First of all, y'all,
we know y'all not gonna throw it deep. You know
why we know y'all not gonna throw it deep because
we know y'all don't have a really offensive line that
can hold up to throw it deep. Or the second
of all, if you do throw a deep, guess what, Ojo,
(53:27):
you ain't right, no running game So what am I
stepping up to stop the run for? Yeah? So with
that being said, now we squatting on everything. Prove to
me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I dare you junkins Junkins Junkins' hurd?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Uh. He had twelve carries for thirty six yards. He
might have got hurt in the game. I was, you know,
I was back. I was back and forth. Man. It's
hard for me to stay It's hard for me to
stay interested in that, right there, o Jo, it's hard.
You know. I watched the series and I'm like, bro, bro,
what is this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I thought they would have le I thought they would
have leaned on him a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I thought, well, maybe maybe he's hurt, maybe something's roll
with him. But if your quarterback isn't as good, or
you're not able to do some of the things you
want to do to make sure you're able to be competitive,
you want to hide him by running the ball a
little bit more. You want to you want to put
(54:26):
that load and that onus, on that on that on
your running back to be able to get things going
or to make it easier forget balance.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
You got to be all. You got to be a
run heavy team. First, you got to be I ain't
trying to do no balance. You ain't got no balance
with that right there. I mean Jayleen Rams had two sacks,
Jayalen Rams, Jayalen ramsay, I'm gona trying to get me
ten sacks as a corner. Uh hebreak, I had uh
(54:58):
uh two sacks. Hot Smith had had a half a sack.
Teacher had a half a sack. So they have six
sacks totals, six tacks, six sacks total. But I don't
know what Cleveland trying to do. But whatever it is,
they need to stop.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You know what, You know what, it's almost unfair. It's
almost unfair. They have to judge Gabriel against that damn defense.
It's almost unfair. I know it's your division opponent, but hell,
it ain't that many people that look good against the
goddamn Steelers and the quarterbacks that do you know, then
(55:34):
conversations of the epper echelon quarterbacks from the come to
being able to dismantle that damn defense.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh Jo. The Chargers, Yeah, beat the Dolphins, who have
not lost four games this season in which they trailed
by one score in the final two minutes after the game,
tour was asked how players can refrain from feeling sorry
for themselves. Oh, Joe, take a listen to his response.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh, I think it starts with the leadership and in
helping articulate that for the guys, and then what we're
expecting out of the guys, right, we're expecting this.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Are we getting that? Are we not getting that?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
We have guys showing up to only player only meetings late,
guys not showing up to player only meeting Like, There's
a lot that goes into that. Do we have to
make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory?
So so it's it's a lot of it's a lot
of things of that nature that we got to get
cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Be clear, you're saying some players were late or missed late. Yeah,
hey maybe obviously you can say some of these things.
I like that to it being the quarterback, being a leader,
having that seal on the chest and addressing those things publicly.
But you can't throw you can't throw your players under
the bus. You can't throw your players under the bus
(56:58):
like that.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
You can't do that. You can't throw your players.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Under the bus like that because even though you are
the quarterback, they're not gonna view that likely They're not
gonna They're not gonna they're not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Huh is that? I know? Hold on, chat, I want
to make sure I'm hearing you correct. I say that
he said he won't people tell the truth? Now, is it? Well?
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Hold on, you got mad at me when I was
happy that Cam wore say, hey, we asked you know,
I mean, you said, I'm glad you.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
I was trying to get you to see the big picture.
But you was in the forest and you didn't see
the trees. This is why. Yeah, see not now see.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
But it's different the context, the context in which they
were playing is okay, he wasn't talking about nobody. He
said we collectively as a group. But that's that's almost like.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Snitching, Like what you mean, okay, we that's in house.
You know what I was late. Come and holler at
your boy, Come holler at me. Let me know you
know what I was late. Whatever, But you don't go
tell the media.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
You don't do it. Come on that. I don't know
how Mike McDaniel's make it through the end of the season.
Is he said, this is a leadership. He said, do
we make it mandatory or is it not mandatory? He's
putting the onus on the.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Coach, right, But obviously when it comes to players only meeting,
the coaches don't have anything to do with that. That
is something that is Hey, listen, we're gonna have a meeting.
We need to get make sure everybody's on the same page.
We need to make sure everybody on the page. So
let's meet at so and so time. Now, that's between coaches.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
I get it, my coach. That's between players the players.
But to see on your chest, what happened, O Joe,
is that when guys were showing up late for meetings
that were mandatory, that the coach had said, when guys
were showing up late for practice, and the coach didn't
nip it in the bud until they got too late.
And so what was one or two turned to three
(58:50):
to four turning to five or six. Now, the restory
the report was that there were two main culprits and
neither one of the ones on our and one is
playing extreme well in Pittsburgh. But they were the main culprids,
but they didn't say they were the only culprits, So
hold on, James Brian says, I want to know what
(59:13):
part of this is he going to take accountability for
two of through three picks. Today, Tua is third in
the NFL with the most interception thrown by a quarterback.
If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media,
I don't respect it. And since we're on the topic
of respect, I guarantee a lot of players don't respect
tour two points the finger and literally has four pointing
(59:35):
back at him. If you want to win, put us in. See, hey, listen,
you know what and see he just said it. He
just said it. You know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
I've been in the locker room before when it comes
to the quarterback position when things aren't going well, When
things aren't going when things aren't going.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's my fault.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
I got to do better. I have to play better.
When things are going well, you praise everybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I was able to do is because my office line,
because my receivers are playing well, my running backs they
running the ball really well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You can't do this because the reaction you're gonna get
from the players, But damn that's you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, they said, hold on to a tag turnover. That's
how you feel. You got, you got. You got to
be careful. You got to be careful if your team
you're fourteen, I'm getting up. He only in your he
only in your four or five? How mean your thirteen? Fourteen?
And I'm getting my ass up and getting there? Oh no,
(01:00:37):
hell no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
See listen, you you've been doing it. You you've been
doing it consecutive years. So you you used to the program, yes,
year three. You know you're not You're not activated to
the program just yet, not just yet. I know you're
still a professional, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
But here's the thing, Oh, Joe, what I understood is
that I knew he was that good of a player. Yeah,
one day he would sit in my chair. Yeah, and
understand I didn't won't see and guys look at you,
because I saw a lot of guys, and I was like, man,
I can't wait till I get I start making plays enough,
I can make a pro, will make an all pro.
(01:01:16):
Guys looking at that, and they gonna say, well, hey, man,
I can't wait, so I can be late to practice,
or I can skip this, or I can skip that.
I said, you going with it? No, No, no no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. We gonna we gonna do it. We're gonna
do it right. We're gonna have fun. I want to
have fun too. Hey, sharp man, we gambling shop there.
(01:01:41):
We're gonna have a good time. But when it comes
time to work, he's gonna work. We're gonna work. Oh, Jo,
we've be in training camph cool. We come in there
before we go to practice. Cool off of the coordinator.
He said, the boss need you to get them going today. Okay, okay,
(01:02:04):
So now, oh Joe, I go in there. Oh oh,
I'm gonna strike up the band on the today. Poo boo,
I'm start beating on, Oh Joe, I'm beating on. I'm
beating on the locker though. Boo boom boom boom. Oh,
I'm going to strike up the band on y'all. Oh yeah,
I'm going crazy, going crazy today.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Now, who gonna get this work?
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Practice a crazy? Hey, cool week, We're gonna get that
work in. We're gonna have a good time, but we
got the work. I'm not wasting my time, right, I
ain't here to lose. I'm not putting all this time in.
I just spend all this money in the off season.
I don't eat the way I fee to come in
(01:02:48):
here and be six and ten, to be five of
the level I'm coming to win. I'm trying to get
to the playoff. I'm trying to win the division, get
to the playoffs. I'm trying to get to a small
That's all I'm trying to do. All that other is
don't even matter to me. We could be so we
can look we could be friends, but we can be friendly.
They're two different things. I like that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I like that, And everybody, everybody on the fifty three
man roster, they do not get along.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
We all know. We all that for one common goal. Yes,
I like that. I like that. I like that we
could be friends and would be friendly. I like that's
a good one.
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