August 12, 2025 • 61 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the ultimate Shedeur Sanders storyline — from being disrespected by the Cleveland Browns and placed as the 4th-string QB in practice, to delivering an unforgettable NFL debut against the Carolina Panthers.
0:00 - Shedeur balls out in first preseason game
25:31 - Shedeur's postgame presser
35:01 - Shedeur confronts Browns Beat Reporter
43:59 - Shedeur remains 4th on Browns QB Depth Chart
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Chr Door shines in his first preseason game eleven of nineteen,
one hundred and three yards passing two TVs. You know
Coach Prime was fired up times. Yes, Lord, yes, Shador Sanders.
Oh yeah what now Coach Prime, God is good. Shout
out to Cocho brought her brothers for sending us this video.
Lebron James even way then that young king. Uh looking
(00:25):
good out there, Shador Sanders. Keep going up, head down
and grind and head high to the most and head
high to the most high. Jordan Schultz take from a
high ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie or Sanders.
It's early, but wow, actually shot, how good he looks.
Nike Football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Only matter of time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, o Jo, yeah, we could look, we can pick
two plays, oh Joe, Well, damn he missed the Sam
Strong safety where he had a guy ride over to
the Flatel second and eight and he skipped the ball
to him. But you saw that overroute. That brock Party
throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see
him fit the ball until those time those small windows.
(01:12):
Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass.
Now the receiver made a great one head to catch.
But did you see the touch? Yes, So take off
your head listen.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I wanted to see what Shad would look like in
a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get
any reps, as many reps as he should to prepare
himself to be prepared for a game like this. To
this magnitude, Dylan Brooks hurt ken, you picking her, Joe
Flacco not playing so the car that he was dealt
to go into this game?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Can you be a leader of men? Can you go
in calm, show a.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Presence of leadership, run the team, command the team, show
that regards to who's regards of who's around you. You
can still conduct yourself like quarterback one. He was calm
under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws,
had some air and throws. You know, obviously, that's what
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film is for, That's what the precist is for. The
fix the nooks in the crannies to get him out.
He looked like he belong. He looked different he did.
Andrew Barrier, you made the right call. There's a reason
that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have
dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me
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as any scout of those thirty two teams that didn't
need to start a quarterback, but those that needed a
quarterback and we're in need of one. Watched film on
Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and
we did at Colorado and said, you know what, no,
that's not my guy. The quote you just read from
the scout in the AFC North, if you watch film.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
What did you expect him to look like? He looked
exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like
he looked at Jackson State.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Calm, under pressure, in the pocket, going through progressions, making
the right throws.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's what he expected to see.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What they expected to see and what some hope to
see might be two entirely different things. Talk to me,
don now hope man, I show hope, Man, I show
hope this happens man versus expect to see what I
wanted to see. I wanted to see exactly what you
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what you wanted to see. I want to see. Could
he play with poise? Could he throw the ball with conviction?
Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions,
the pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me
some of everything. I'm the over route through it on
time and gout in his face. Let him boot drop
me right in the bucket. Hit those balls. A pressure
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in his face. The second touchdown, pressure in his face.
The first touchdown, the corner slumps off the flat, the
safety is hugging it. He fits it in, gets it in,
boom on the move. The touch pass over the top.
As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make
a great play, but your door had a nice loft.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That's not as easy to throw the mate. He was
impressive tonight.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Barry and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
People they were in the chat last night. Let's see
what your door does. Let's see what your door does.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know what they're gonna say now, Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh he's not playing against their starters. Oh he's playing
against this So.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He didn't have the starters either, Well, help, hello, I
just see Jerry Judy. I didn't see in Joeku, I
didn't seed the starting off.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Its no send to chillman. So this is what I
have to say to those who are gonna have another feat.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They're gonna move the gold host right, they're gonnas and say,
well he wanted to go against the Panther starters, Well,
obviously if he's not going against the Panther starters, or
if he and have his starters as well, and what
he has at the disposal, and look that good with
the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are
trying to make the team. What do you think is
gonna happen when he has the main characters in there
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rounding right? That makes your job a little bit easier,
that a little bit better at their position.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Than knows that he's playing with the Knight. What you
think gonna happen where they can try to move the
gold post? But I ain't trying to kick a field
goal or pat So I'm gonna score anyway, and shr
Duer Sanders score tonight. I'm gonna give credit words due
fourteen to twenty three, one hundred and thirty eight yards,
two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks. Like I said,
we can pick a couple of things. Yeah, it's a
strong safety of the Sam Strong safety blitz problem, like
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you know what. But it looked like he was telling God, bro,
I need you to hook up on that, you probably
not gonna be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson
hold on to the ball a little longer because he
get out run to safety. Josh Allen, same thing. That's
not your door. Your door is not a mobile quarterback.
He's gonna do all most the majority of his damage
is going to be in the pocket. Ojo Tom He
(06:00):
I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism.
That's not what he's known for.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
This is then what he lacks in athleticism and inability
to get out the pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He has gate. He has great pocket presents.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Being being able to move and being able to not
telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when
it's time to get up out of there. He can
extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
What about the third down? Huh?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
The third down when he scrambled.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
With the d Lin Ranom stunt, he was able to
get outside of it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I like, you know what I like the most. He
saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes, Yes, that's
what I like. Oh Yo, that's what I like. Oh y'all, oh,
I all know who's supposed to go first, and who's
supposed to I don't know who's supposed to eat or
who's supposed to T. And I don't know who's supposed
to T. But I tell you what I'm going.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, yeah, y'all. I tell you what y'all figured out
in film study tomorrow. But in the mean, any time
I'm about to pick up this, I'm about to pick
up the first down.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh, he's played himself.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
He might have started after four, but after this performance,
he can't be number four because he.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Told him something very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He says, you can't lose your job because of injury,
because let me.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tell you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If you get injured and you're out and a guy
comes in and he's playing better than you before you
got injured, is his job?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Ask yourself, was Dylan Gabra before he got hurt? Was
he playing better than what you saw your door Sanders
do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question. Was he
playing better than what your doer was than what your
door played tonight? So if you can honestly asks answer
those questions, okay?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And the thing about it what people need to understand
for those that in the chat is one thing to have.
Joint is one thing to practice against yourself and look
good against your players. Yes, scripted on everything is scripted,
even defensively, and those joint practices at times because there's
certain things they want to work on defensively and there's
certain things that you want to work on offensively. When
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you get into the game, nothing nothing is shared from
team to team, so it's a green light and everything
going as if it's a real game. You work in
your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to
do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple
as preseason games are from an offensive perspective, in the
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way the players are called. And he did that tonight
to a hell of a job, one hell of a
job tonight, and this is just something to continue to
build off of.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Clean up.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There were some mistakes, obviously, they're gonna always be mistakes
and things you can get better at. And as you
continue to see different looks, you're not going to get
many looks.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Obviously it's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know,
cover tool sometimes that you might throw you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Knows oo make the plays count.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah. Oh and listen he made him count the night
on that made.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You have to do when you're a low round draft pick,
oho me being a SEP no mark being a being
a low round draft pick. Oho, you're not gonna get
the plays that a high round draft pick is gonna get.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So don't go out there thinking that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But when it's your time, shine, Yes, when it's your time,
shine and that Hey you say I don't count time,
I make time count. Well I didn't count plays. As
my brother used to say. Hey, I know you ain't
get that many reps. Keep your head up because one
day John Elwire gonna call for you. He gonna look
for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You need
to be make sure you where you're supposed to be
(09:46):
right your door. Didn't get a whole lot of reps.
But when opportunity presents itself. That's what luck is. It's
when preparation meets opportunity. Aminson said, some call it luck.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'm glad you just said what you just said.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You you just said you didn't get as many reps
as you should have in practice.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But he got into a game, and what did he
do on react, But the reps that he did get
in practice, he made those counts because a lot of
times I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen
it on Yo, I've seen god Man, I ain't getting
no burn, man, I can't. And then when you get
out there, you fing up. Yeah, your door says, Hey,
these one or two reps I might get. With the three,
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the threes and fours, I gotta make these counts. These
gotta be my This has got to be my best
work of the day. Yeah, because you know why, Yo,
it might be my only work of the day. So
if it's my only it's got to be my best
because this is the only time they're going to see
me on tape, they see me standing behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, Hey, I'm being positive.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job,
offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end
of the day, I need to get an opportunity to
show you what I can do. And with the opportunity
presents itself, that's what look is preparation meeting opportunity. Dominson said,
Some call it luck.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Hey, hey, listen, I'm happy.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I'm happy for young Bull. I'm happy for Young Bull.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
This is one of the few times I can't think
of the last time that everyone was excited excited.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
About wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Did you see all them people in the stands with
the twelve and with the signs? Did you see all
that out yoke Cleveland Brown's game on the road?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I was in the same division with the jokers, and
guess what. We used to play.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Them saying same.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They don't They didn't travel like that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, and they ain't got no reason to travel because
it's been bad a long time.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, So listen tonight we saw a very small sample size.
We saw a very small samb size, yes, of what
your door sayers can look like the fact that he
played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against toos
and threes.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Sure, I say this to say that what happens when
he's with the ones having to run that same.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Offense, right, and you and you guess what and you
go and you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrally.
Oh yo, I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning
because we normally game plan game three. We go back
and now the coaches go back and they look at
what they did last season, and we script the game
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plan that's gonna be what we think we're gonna see him.
First down, second down, third down, third and short, third
and long, just down in distance area of the field,
first and goal, second and goal, third and goal. Now
we're calling plays, not just the arbitrally call plays. We're
calling plays with a purpose for a purpose, and eventually
they're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But I was in pressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But for someone that didn't get as many reps, made
the reps that he did get, he made them count
in practice. And when he got his opportunity, when the
opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom gradis opportunity
presented itself, which is when the rubber meat, the what
when the rubber meat the road man and so, uh
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your door. He should he should be proud of himself.
Uh you know him being who he is raised, how
he was raised. I'm supposed to say, Reard, I guess
you raised livestock and animals. But anyway, big raised how
he was raised, He's not gonna be He's not gonna
be he's not gonna get He's not gonna get too
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because guess what, even kill.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, you got to stay even killed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You know why because not only having to deal with
the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now
you got you got to deal with the noise on
the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And that wasn't my pick. Yeah that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
How you do it?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit, like you said,
brother has him. Don't smile, don't don't even don't say anything,
start with ass.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
He said that the.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Nerve the gall I'm a Paul, Well, I'm a David.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I'm gonna say it one more time. And this is
for everybody in the chat.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
If even if you don't like you do it, even
if you don't like him, how do you watch film
college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that
would before him and see what all of them.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Are done and say, you know what, now I'm a
passive for him.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's not the guy I want right New Orleans Saints,
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't know what other teams that were there need
of a quarterback. How do you do it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'm just asking from a person that played the game
of football and understanding.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I have an eye. I have an eye. I played
the game for a very long time at a very
high level.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know it's
supposed to look like in situations that that are not
advantageous for you. I just saw a young fella winning
Jackson State turned a Colorado program around that when one
game regards to what his record was in his totality
twenty three and twelve, whatever may have been, I know
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what it can do when you got the right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Pieces around him. I know what he can do. He's
a win nerve regardless of what situation you put him in.
And he showed it again to night, yet again to
night with his back up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.
Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high,
he doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence
in himself and most the good ones really do no
matter how bad, and we've seen it, no matter how
bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know,
if it's laid the ballgame, they got.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
A chance to beat you.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, and your doors in the situation where it's like,
doesn't make any excuses and he always says the right thing. Listen,
it's not as easy as you think to always say
the right thing, because you're dealing with the human element
of it, the human element of it. No matter how
much you have, no matter how little you have, no
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matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been,
You're dealing with the human element of it. And people
have emotions, people have feelings, and so sometimes when people
lash out and say things like damn man, you know
you take the amount of time.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But he hears what's being written about it. Absolutely he hears.
He sees.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
If he doesn't, he's getting work, it's getting back to him.
But I just love the way the man kept his
head down, closed off his ears, and just did what
he was supposed to do. He went to work, And
that's how That's how you have to approach it. Don't
get mad. I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong. I'm
trying to prove me right, and in the process of
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proven me right, I'll prove you wrong. It was it
was a great job. It was his first outing. Like
I said those throws. It wasn't so it was it
was the throws that he made. Oh Joe, go back
and take a look at that overball and we see
brock Perdy throw three or four of those a game
to IU.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Can you used to hit breath devot on those plays?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You'll kiddle on the over look at how he threw
that ball, the timing of it.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Do you do you do you understand the anticipatory skills
you have to have as back with pressure coming at you.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
There was one, there was one.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, because on the replay we couldn't even see him.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
We just saw them all come out.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So he's anticipated where the receiver was gonna be and
he just made the throw and put it only where
the receiver could catch it.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yep, that first touchdown.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You understand when people saw tonight, I don't think they
understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they
understand how different the game is. But he made it
look like he's been doing it for a very long time.
It's his first time, it's his first time in the
NFL game, but he's used to it. Chat look at
his mannerisms. Look how you walk on the first down? Okay,
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he almost did the why celebration. He said, you know what,
I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet.
And just just everything about him and being quarterback number one,
just the way he carried herself. He was ready for
the moment. No matter what they no matter what they did,
no matter what they said. Just put me in a situation.
Just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and
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I'm gonna play it. And he did that just just
exactly how we should deny the hand he was dealt.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He played the hand very well, and it's only gonna
get better from here. It doesn't go backwards. You don't,
you don't digress. I'm excited, and this is coming from
a Bengal fan at heart.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have to
answer at the quarterback position after trying thirty five times
over the years. You know, I listen, man, I can
go on and on about this, but go ahead, you
got it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think the thing is the biggest thing in that
after they can have is the ability to believe that
he belonged, he or she belongs.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was a seventh round draft pick she'd do. It
was a five.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
There was twelve rounds when I was a seventh. There
are seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah, but there is
not one point in time that I didn't feel I
belonged on that field. And I saw a lot of
these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys
that combine and I read about them. Yeah, and I
remember I remember calling my brother at each West Shrine grad.
I said, they do not better than me. They're not
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better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah,
I remember going to the combine of that man, I
you know what you think you're read? I say, probably
post six, four seven. I say, but they're not better
than me. They might be faster than me, but they
not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And
when I went to Denver, all those guys that went
before me, I'm like, I ain't no what.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I remember asking.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Myself, how in that hell did you get drafted before me?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I said, but don't worry about it. Don't worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I said, it won't be long, it won't be It
was like the cat, Well, girl, she say, boy, the
cat got his tail, calling.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The washing machine you know what he said, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He said, it won't be long now, he said, she
didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
His tail wouldn't be long anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Or it won't be long for it all be over, yes, sir, yeah, man,
And when we putting them pants on, ohoe? Yeah, first,
I'll never forget because you know, the rookies, we went
to camp before the vet, so we would go like
a couple of days before the vets, so we would
already be practicing right in Denver before we headed up
to Greeley. Right, I saw him. They was nervous, oh Joe,
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like a long tailed dog with a porch full of
rocking chairs, you know, somebody leaning back and go be
able to say, you don't have to bother about now.
I thought they were nervous. I said, oh yeah, that's
that's all I need to see, just a little fear,
the little fear in the man's eyes, because that's my that's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
My greatest ability. Yes, another man's fear.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And listen, I know we've been talking about your door,
but listen, remember I told remember I remember what I
told you about the panthers, right, Yes, remember I told
you about the Panthers. If there's a if there's a
dark a chat, stay with me real quick. If there's
a dark.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Horse team that I believe in this year that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Is going to creep up and maybe make it run
into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers.
They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look back. Jayllen
Kocher went crazy tonight. T Matt the rookie from Arizona,
looked good tonight.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I know, Executy like it got thrown out getting into
a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. Its just preseason.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers
look early in the game. For those I know everybody
tuned in to wash your door. But I'm telling you
right now, and I said at first, someone that's that's
not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization.
They owe me nothing. I'm telling you the dark horse
team for this season, the Carolina Panthers. Bryce Young in
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that receiving cord. I'm telling you what.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh Joe, I ain't never been that hot in in
a preseason game.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, the tunsle.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
They were going at it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't really got no tuzzle in practice, bro, because
I'll tell you what Dan Reeve's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You fighting.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I mean, we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan said
the same thing. Ain't working hard enough, Bro, It ain't
like it is now.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Them two hours two and a half hour practice, man,
please with pads. And you had on paths and oh
let me take that back, o Joe. You have on
they call it, see what they call shells would show
the paths in shorts.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's not shells like they call it now.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Basically got little little fitted of styron foam stuff on
that was not shells. When when I got in the nineties,
shells would show the paths in shorts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Shorts.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, and and you know we hit they were we
hit back then Nine on seven.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Was live five yep.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Team team was a solid thud up. There wasn't no
touch the guy on his like two hands touch. Oh no,
you put shoulders on him, You put pads on him.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You bet you better come to you better come to
balance and be ready.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and at
water Man they come down in that box. Boy, we
had thumpers back then, Oh yeah, man, please.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Atwater, ain't play dog at water coming downhill.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Now and atwater wasn't the thumper like then Dennis Smith,
Kahuna was the thumper number forty nine.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Whoa whoa morning at water?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yes, le yes lord, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I saw that Joe a at two o five, two ten,
I saw him sit lineman, sit linman on the ass.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They pulling.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
He ain't never go low right upting. That showed in
their chest and set him down at two ten at
two ten here go back here if y'all can find it,
go back and check the tape.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He pots come
through the hole.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
He hit him. He was out called.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Uh Marrion Butts.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Hey, if you if you're a Charger fan, you know
who because back then, o Joe, they had a big, old,
big running back. They had big Marrion Butts, They had
Rod Bernstein. They have a big Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox.
I mean they are the tight ends were like three
hundred pounds offensive live mammoth offensive line.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, Cohuna run through.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Go back and look at that play if with Dennis
Smith hit uh, he hit Marrion buts and he hit
Roosevelt Potts.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, you know, you know who else was the Thumber two?
Remember Donovan Darius?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah yeah, I played against d D Double D at
uh at Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But that was back back in the nineties. You had Chuck.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Cecil, you had Mark Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy, back then,
it wasn't no nothing defenseless about that. They said, you
got him and the shoulder pass. What the hell you
thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh yeah, you're gonna get that work. What you're gonna
get that work?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Roder Harrison, Oh rock. Every time Hey I say bro,
he say Shaw, just stay out my knees. I say,
got you. But boy, we tried. We definitely try to
hit each other in the mouth. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Hey,
that's a hard playing joker. Chador said all the right
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things last night, as as expected after great preseason debut.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Let's take a listen to what your doer had to say.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I mean, God's with us. It's humans. We mess up
that times. But I don't feel like he threw us
away as individual. So it's different things in different life lessons.
You know, you gotta go through. And I haven't went
through this situation you know that I'm in ever, So
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it's it's really just a test, you know, I feel
like from God or whoever it's from, it's just a
test anyway.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I'm just thankful that.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I was able to see the day of light and
get out there and be able to play, so you know,
they didn't have to let me play, So anything and everything,
you know, it's good for me. So then you know,
the kids looking up the kids definitely inspire me.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Of course. Of course, more so.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
A lot of people are incarcerated that that definitely talk
to their friends to talk to me, to tell me
my friend, my friend from jail was you know, watching
you play and watching everything that's going on. So it's
just like the world, the world, you know, I say,
is so small and everybody sees everything. And I'm thankful
to be able to inspire people through everything. Because the
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lady just told me, Now, when I'm having a bad day,
I just think about your door and I'm staying, I
gonna act like you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know, so like that's so cool.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
You know to me that that some form of inspirations.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Your door the only thing I'm gonna disagregeate with you.
They had to let you play because everybody else was hurting.
Because you ain't had no choice if they didn't let
you play, they brought they brought a guy in. They
brought in us Huntly because Flacker wasn't gonna play and
the other two couldn't play. So, but you did your thing.
(27:27):
All you could control is what you can control. What
you could control was how you played, how you handled
the how you handled the situation that you've been placed in.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
He did it, He did very well.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
He did it, and he handled it well. He said
all the right things, He did all the right things.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Uh. And that that's that's control what you can control.
What you can't control, don't worry about it. Control what
you can control.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He went through a storm, something he never If you'd
told him a year ago he would be in this
situation where he's at right now, he wouldn't have believed that.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
His dad wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Nobody you or I didn't wouldn't believed it. Not based
on baby, But you're here.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Forget how I got here? How are you going to
get out of here?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah? Because a lot of time. You know, we spent
a lot of time with your dad.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
How we got into the situation, you're in the situation now,
How you're gonna get out of it? Yeah, and I
think you've done a great job. Look, you know, I'm
sure he talks to his dad. Even though his dad
is not there, he still talks to his dad daily.
Dad gives him great advice. He doesn't put any more
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on us that we can have.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And sometimes the situation they put you in, they're not
advantageous for you. It's not the best situation for you
because you got people in the situation you win that
don't even believe in you. And that's when it heard
worse most of the time. If he's someone, oh, I'm
a part of your organization and you say, well, hell,
I ain't want you though, that's that's meant to break you.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's meant to break you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You don't you can't break what. You can't break what
you you career.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But everybody's not built like that.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Mentally, you're right in this era, in this era of
sensitivity and oh he said this about me, And no,
everybody not built for that.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's meant to break you. And if they break you mentally.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It affects what you do in between the lines on
the green grass. But that's neither hear no there he
played well the small sample size we got to see
a brother Sander's twelve.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Look good, you look good.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You're right, Oh, Joe, you're right everybody area.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I mean, I mean sometimes, I mean sometimes with the
are not going your way and you're feeling down, man, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Hard to stay positive.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And I think the thing the best thing for him
is that he has a dad that's really positive.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
He sees the positivity and everything.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Even when it's all negativity, he'll find something positive.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He'll find something good to say.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Dan knows.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's what Joe what he wants.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
HM make him bark, make him bark, making bark.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No, No, we don't want to. I try to deter
up from barking. And and the thing is, I put
Titus up tightus asleep so I ain't gonna worry about
Titus coming and hear him growling and going crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Hey, that's a good combination, bro.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And then I took the bones up because him and
Teddy fighting over the bones. He wanted all the bones.
He didn't want Teddy to have none. So he had three.
I gave each one of the bone, so he had his,
and he bargained Teddies so once I gave him, once
I gave him Teddyes, it was all good. So I
just took all three of them because they gave he
had two. At first Teddy just had one. But he
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wasn't satisfied with that. He wanted all three. So I said, no,
we're nothing to do that. You gotta look, we're gonna
take We're gonna take the bones up.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
With your hands.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Over there, man, you want to with.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Hey, yeah, come on over here, Thanos. I'm gonna tell you.
I'm gonna take you down to the city. Boy. They
got a dog. They got a dog park downtown.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
He said, I can go to the dog park.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
He said, you know I got I got you know,
I had a little mind of procedure about the money.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We're all good.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
What's wrong with him?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
We got it, We got it fixed up. Why it's out? Look,
he said he heard he heard about them child's.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He said he won't know that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Okay, okay, okay, get out there and have a little fun. Man.
Yep the girl, yeah, he said, we ain't having no fun.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But uh, if you're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Look good. He looked good. He looked really good last night.
He spoke really good after the game. And the thing
now is to build excuse me, it's to build on
what he did last night. He also spoke about gifting
teammates some new cleats. Check this out on Joe.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, I'm just excited for all of them I gifted.
I get a lot of receivers. The Prome DT ninety
six is. You know, a couple of them had them on.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
So I just I just.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Get to a couple of like the main receivers going
into this game. You know, I give to them, some
some warm, some didn't. But I was like, okay, this
is just my little appreciation gift to them.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Because they don't be having a lot in stocks. So
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
I couldn't do everybody. I wish I could, But yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Hey, the ones he won in the game with Dope,
Yeah that was the one talking about. They had the
orange lining like brown. Yeah, they was nice. They were nice, I.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Think also as a receiver, But for me, I wouldn't
want to cleante that heavy, you know. The I mean
they're they're heavy, even based on the way they're made.
I want a light issue as possible, So I mean
they look good.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Time could have been at that time, could have been
out there in TEMs and absolutely, but uh, it all
depends I was, you know, I will. I wore uh
TD bottles, okay, so I will wide receiver cleats.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
So he was, he was?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
He was good that yeah, because I'm herd plan me
even though I'm.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
A hard planning on. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Rebok obviously was a rebark back back then. I had
rebark take all the lining out of my shoe. I
don't want any support.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I want my.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Shoe to be just like attracts you, Just like attract you.
I need to feel the floor. I need to feel
the floor when I stop, when I go, when I
try to cut and transition. I don't want anything restricting
my ankles when it's time for my letter one and
and movements. So all I had was the shell, some
shoelaces and cleants at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But you always were molded, Bob, You didn't. You didn't
you wore a tempo bom, Yeah you did? You didn't
we yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Wear I hadn't have.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
A choice but to wear seven studs when we played
in hines Field.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
I think they let the field be messed up like
that on purpose.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, baby goodness, it's.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Like, I don't know, I don't know that was an
advantage for them, but yeah, that's the only time I
wore seven studs is when we played in heines Field.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Mm hmmm mm hmmmm uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
There's a video that's been making his way around Curtisy
or Buckie. It's him confronting Brown's reporter Tony Grossi for
not having anything positive to say.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Ojo, let's take a look at this video.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
You got some.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Positive and I'm like you, Hey, that's dope, monk.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I like it because most of the time those interactions
like that, that's not how they go when it comes
to players. Most of the time it comes to a
beat reporter that's been established for that long as a
Cleveland Beat reporter. You know, when it comes to saying
something negative. Most of the time the player challenges him
in that manner because you've never said anything positive. And
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I could just imagine I haven't read any of the article,
and I could just imagine if the rest of the world.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Has been somewhat negative towards the door.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I could imagine what the person that's in house, that
seizing every day writes. So the fact that they were
able to do it with a smile, with class, with
grace and understanding. What God damn, do you have anything
nice to say? Because everything I've seen so far has
been negative. I did nothing, do you? But obviously the
dude had the job to do. You understand how.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
To get the views?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You have to understand negativity. Negativity, It would create traction, clickbait.
How can I get people to read what I'm writing
where you talk negative about the biggest thing going on
right now in Cleveland outside of Lebron James when he
was there right now is Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Robert Lattail Black Sports Online. Grossie has been like this
for thirty years. Baker couldn't couldn't handled it, couldn't. I
guess he's saying Baker could not have handled it. Shador
disarmed him in sixty second and changed his energy. That's
a gift not all people have for negative people.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Hey listen, they'll smile on your face. They smile the face.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Obviously at that point and in that moment, what's your
door greeting?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Him the way he did with.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Class with grace. But god, damn, are you gonna say anything.
I'm just waiting on you to say something nice, something. Yeah,
So the guy has no I mean, what can you say,
especially after that performance?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
What can you say? And I know people gonna say, oh,
it's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh it's a small sambit size, Let's see what he
does in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I mean, it's still this is all we have to
go off.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So we're talking about what we saw in that specific case,
in that moment. I'm curious to what he wrote the
day because I'm sure he had something to say today.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Look, I mean, I think it's different for a quarterback
because you know, the eyes are all on you. But
I really never had no problem. I was saying around
draft pick. I wasn't supposed to be anyway. So anything
that I gave, anything that I gave him twenty catchers,
that was good. But as I got you know, I
had never had a problem with with Mark Kisler, never
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had a problem with Woody Page.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I never had a problem with who else. Jim Armstrong,
he was a he was a columnist when I was there.
He's a ind he was with the Indie Star. Now
I forget his name, uh Schefteron I got to dinner
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Adam Shefter was reported Denver.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, m boy, cheft, he'd been at this thing for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Oh yeah, who's the guy uh bo for the Indie Star. Nah,
he's the he's the columnist. He's the big guy. M
hm uh huh no, no, no, no, no, no, who's
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the big h But he was in he was in
Denver when I was there the first half. I hate
when I can come on Denver help me. I know
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y'all in the chat.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Hey, somebody in the chat say, Teddy, Look, I mean
they don't look like a skunk his color way, Teddy.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean that I ain't talking.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
And want to learn how to whis like this. Uh
uh you know how to whistle like this? Hunk? No,
it should be loud to hear. I want to learn
how to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Probably too late now.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Well damn, I can't.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's too I got this A certain age age are
like that.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I just I just never, I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm going to a NASCAR event soon, and I want
to be able to make sure I can whistle like
that at the NASCAR event.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I'm going to date. Don't take it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember I told Bubba. I told
Bubb I was coming, So I'm actually coming. We got
everything aligned, so I'm going down there. I got my
I got my my flannel, my cut off sleeves, I
got my George.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I'm serious, I got my georts. I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The only problem is that I don't drink as long
as they got hot dogs and I'm having my coke
with no ice too.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Hot dogs. A nice little date my ldy friend. I
know she probably watching.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Man What's I can't think of his name?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Man, Hey, chack? I got a poem. Y'all want to
hear it or you want to what? You want to
save it for later?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
We're gonna say it later. I'll think about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Kevin Stefanski was asked what's your doors big game does
for the depth chart for the Browns. His response was, yeah,
we're really just focused on developing our players.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, we're in evaluation modes.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm pleased where the guys are, but I'm not diving
into the quarterback competition.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You got to you got to keep it safe. You
don't have a choice but to keep it safe.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
You don't have a choice but to keep it safe.
There's not much you can say. He's not in a
position to really say anything. You can't make any evaluations
based off what you saw tonight.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Listen, brother Stefanski. He doesn't even.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Have the power to be able to give the green
light on what he wants to do. He doesn't have
the power to get the green light on what he
wants to do. It's going to come down to upper
those upstairs. But I think it's going to come to
a point where certain individuals are going to play so well.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
They're not going to have a choice. They're not going
to have a choice.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
But I know one thing I can tell you this,
A blind man can see that Joe Flacco will be
the starter for the foresee of the future until things
aren't going well offensively for the Cleveland Browns. And I'm assuming,
as I said long ago, that should do would be
number two, and he's been able to show that.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
I hope hopefully Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
And Dylan Gabriel can get healthy, so they should showcase
themselves in the preseason games and what they can what
they can and can't do, and that's it. I'm hoping
it's a good healthy quarterback battle once they get back healthy.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So you think it's going to be his job. You
think he's going to be the number two.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I said, I said that, Yeah, I said, I said that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Man, it's oh Joe, you ever You're like, I want
to think of something and you can't think of it.
I get mad, but I just would want to know.
I just be wanting to go to bed. I don't
even want to.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Can't think of you can't think of the guy's last name.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, man, it's driving me crazy. Whatever, listen to call
I'm gonna have to call. I'm gonna have to call
Mike Cliffs tomorrow. It's say, what's that dude?
Speaker 5 (43:46):
It's gonna come to you.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh, you know his name? He says.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Look, I'm not even a year old. I won't even
be a year old until December, So clearly I don't
know about NFL insiders saying Shaduur Sanders still stands behind
Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches. Gabriel is the head
of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but
rarely in training camp has that position match what we've
seen on the field. The quarterback situation remains the story
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of camp, and should Sanders is settling in to lead
three scoring drives in the most extended action of the
summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is
fourth in a line any less perplexing. No reasonable person
thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team
and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now.
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He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone
believe he should be on the team and have a
chance to develop it the starting quality player. Sanders is talented.
His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver
Greg Lebardon in the preseason opener and has floated down
the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later on proof. Until
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we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense,
we can't believe the Browns view him as having much
of a shot to be the number two.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
When the season begins.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I agree with what they're saying, but that's my point
is Okay, you said, have we seen enough?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Have you seen enough of Dylan?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you
think he can be number two?
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Did you hear, did you who excuse me who.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Wrote that the Browns athletic insider.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
The Browns athletic insider?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right yep.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
So you see Shade or do what he does three
quarters of football three? I think maybe maybe played well
into the fourth quarter?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Right, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
So in a live game, you saw him play the
way he played, and still question if you can do
the same thing when he has the actual starters at
his disposal.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
My thing is, he says, no reasonable person thinks Sanders
will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently
attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
What about Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Has he shown you enough to make them believe that
three weeks from now he can lead this team against
a complicated defense? I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett
ever shown you that he can lead a team against
a complicated defense? Because all I know is that what
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I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he
can't do. Like my coach just said, college withday will
put it find something that he can do. See you
keep telling me what you do or can't do. Well,
Your job as a coach is to put players in
position and find something that they can do.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from? When
we just saw him do it. I know it's a
small sambo size, it's three quarters of football. But everything
you said he can't do, he just did. Matter of fact,
he just did when we already saw him do at
Jackson State. He just did when we saw him do
at Colorado, we just did. Even though it's a small sambaside, Uncle,
I played the game for a very long time, yep,
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I played the game for.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
A very long time. I'm a receiver.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I know what it's supposed to look like. I know
what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing
in a.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Game and he's confident, he's polished his pocket, presence, his mannerisms.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny
Pickett with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have
been the answer in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
No, what was what's the question you asking?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Because if Kinney Pickett is the answer, If Kenny Pickett
is the answer, I need to know the question.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Don't know what more I don't know what more.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Listen when you when you when you fill out your resume,
right when you fill out your resume and you going
for that job interview, you want to put your best
foot forward. You want to keep a lasting impression, correct, well,
impressions with what we saw Friday night from the person
they claim.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Is the fourth is the fourth string quarterback?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, I mean what do we do we build from
that on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, you build from that.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
No, you build from that starting in practice by giving
him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him
in the position that he was in where he's getting
a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You
give him some opportunities with the ones, with the tooths.
I'm not saying you he has to take five six
reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle. Maybe
you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give
him three or four ref with the twos. I do
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agree with this. Until we see Sanders get practice ref
with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns
view him as having much of a shot to be
number two when the season begins. True, I do agree
with that statement. You're not going from four to two.
If you for a training camp, then all of a
sudden the seasons start. Your number two. They're gonna need
to see you with the ones and twos to feel
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comfortable because they got to make a decision. And when
you make that decision, you release somebody. Ain't no guaranteed
that you're gonna be able to bring them back and
put them on your practice squad. Somebody might sign them
and put them on the active roster. So that the case, Ohoe,
do I stay on your practice squad for say twenty
five to thirty fives, or do I go somewhere and
get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and
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make almost a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
So that's the question that you have.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's a decision that you make when you release these guys,
because I'm sure there's some guys you know. I would
love to have him to have another year learning our
system and when we come back next year, having the
OTAs the training camp, the season of working the scout
team stuff, when we come back for OTA's OHO, he
should be good to go. He should be fully developing,
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good to go. Oh I don't want people thinking that
were beating and now beating up on Zach Jackson. I
agree with what he's saying, But my thing, I'm more
talking about the Browns as a as as an organization,
as a coaching staff. Are you are you are? Because
the fans are saying you want us to believe you
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or are lying?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Eyes?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh, I know, I know, I know what my eyes
I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what
you say it, but I see better than I hear.
Come on, now, y'all keep telling us Dylan Gabral, Dylan Gabriel,
but we have yet to see him. Now, everything that
I see is that now he's you know, she's not
better than you do it. For most of the articles
that I've been reading, it a people can write whatever
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they want to write, so I don't want to put
too much emphasis. But I haven't seen I haven't read
a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel
is better, has been played, has played better, or playing
better than you do?
Speaker 5 (50:56):
What did I tell you tell you not too long ago?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Of how camp look?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, I'm not saying the names again this time because
I don't want to get nobody in no trouble.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
What did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And then exactly what that individual said who's in there
every day that plays on the other side of the
ball and has to see it, exactly what he said way.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Back then we saw it, shure up the fact that
he not getting first seam reps with the ones of
the tools, and still went out there and looked the
way he did. What does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
He begin with damn the one of the tools, O Joe.
He barely getting reps at all, and.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Then strip, Okay, I'll say no more again, say no more,
so you're not doing him justice in practice. But still
showed up in the game and looked the part and
looked like that.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
What does that say?
Speaker 3 (51:53):
But we gonna see Saturday, And I hope Delan Gabriel
gets his opportunity because I would love to see what
he does and then what he gives that offense and
that that coach of staff that believes in him.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.
I'm hoping he does.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I would love to see it. I would love to
see it. I know he's a competitor. He was great
at organ he was really good.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
So I'm all, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Let the guy like it's like when you in that situation,
the guy flashes. Normally, when guys flashes in camp O Joe,
you and I both played the NFL for a long time.
We both played at a high level every team that
I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a
guy flashes in the game, he gets he gets to
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move up, and he gets meaning for reps, more meaningful reps,
meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They
don't sneak some reps in with the two's, maybe they'll
give him one or two shots with the ones.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
That's normally how it works.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
They're not so setting their ways that it's like, oh,
we just see this guy as It's kind of like TD.
I give private example. TD was a guy. TD was
a sixth round draft pick. TV was probably like the
fifth or the sixth running back. But every day he
made that play on kickoff, and every day you saw
TD get a little better. Give him a little bit
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more reps, and so all of a sudden, he go
from six to five, from four, four to two. After
the first game of the season, TD one. Yeah, normally
that's how it plays out. Guys, show you in the game,
because when guys flashing practice, O Joe, you're thinking to yourself,
(53:42):
I wonder if he do that in the game. Hell, coach,
put his ass in the game. Let's see what he
could do. Right, That's that's that's normally how it happened.
Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, That's how I got.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
In the game.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
He said, Dan, put his ass send the game. Let's
see if they can covery because we can't. Damn Like, Okay,
they put my ass in the game. Yeah, well, shr Door,
I think Shador showed you something that he deserve it.
I'm not saying he needs to do you need to implement
him as the starter the number one Oh Joe, I didn't.
We didn't say that. That's not what we're saying. But
(54:20):
I think he's shown you enough. Friday just says, you
know what, we might need to give him some more
quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday,
and let's see him facing the number one defense Miles Garrett,
those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy,
let's give him in Djoku. Let's see if he can
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replicate some of that what he did on Friday with
the ones today. Yeah, that's all we're saying.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
And can I can I say one more thing?
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Go ahead?
Speaker 5 (54:56):
If you can do what he did without getting the
practice reps in a game without the number ones around him, Things.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Only get easier when you have the ones at your
disposal that are better at the position Cedric Tillman and
Jokub Jerry.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
It only becomes easier, Uncle, It doesn't get more difficult.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Now once you're playing against the team that's scheme for
you and disguises and does all the all the stuff,
you know, the game planning for you.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Okay, that's different. Then you just have to process a
little bit faster.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yes, but it is.
Speaker 5 (55:36):
It's vanilla. They line up and they.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Just go, that's exactly how it is. You get better
at something by doing said thing.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yes, exactly, hear what you just said. You get better
something by doing said thing. But he wasn't doing said
thing because he's right and still look the way he did.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I you agree.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
They don't view it that way.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
They that organization, they don't view it that way. How
I don't know, I don't know, but I'm guessing in
the in the in the direction in which they're going.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
I'm hoping they're right.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
They haven't been right in the thirty five quarterback that
they tried previously, or maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
No, I just think I do believe that he's earned
the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos.
I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's
QB one. I'm not saying it's QB two maybe, but
I think he's earned that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
I know one thing. I know one thing. They better
put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that god damn stadium. Yeah,
tell you that. I listen.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I can already foresee how it's gonna go. I already
know how it's gonna go. I can already see it.
They gonna continue to play, continue to play, continue to play,
put everybody in front of him, continue to play. And
then when this opportunity presents itself like it did because
of injury, he looked a certain way.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
You can't deny it. No, you can't deny it. No
matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
You can't Oh Joe and Cleveland doing this.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very
road he took to avoid it. Sometimes you might they
might even have their quarterback even though they tried to
avoid giving him the opportunity. Come on, now, come on now,
on the very road you took to avoid it, you
found your destiny.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I just.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm
a player personnel director. I just know that when guys
flash go back to Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
They kept four quarterbacks that year.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom
that said, if he got more of an opportunity, he
might be.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, he didn't know he was gonna be this hell.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
If he d knew he was gonna be that, somebody
would have taken him into the first pick of the draft. Right,
But he flashed enough guys, you know, late round picks. Okay,
like he showing something. He just sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity, you know, looking at Trey Lambs,
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Trey Lamps like he needed time, time, which the forty
nine ers didn't have. Forty nine ers are on the clock.
They got to win. Now with the roster that they have,
they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland What do you are?
I mean, you just gave a guy one hundred and
forty million dollars. He's under the assumption. Now he played
(59:20):
it both ways. You I want out y'all not winning?
Got the money? Hey, but what are y'all? What are
y'all doing? Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win?
Because y'all see who is in y'all division, Lamar Jackson
and Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is twenty seven, twenty eight.
(59:40):
He got another five to ten years in Baltimore. Joe
Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar. He's got
another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while y'all
playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy and
he's gonna be there for the almost a decade. Hm,
(01:00:04):
you're not beating a team that has an established quarterback.
Play of musical chairs with quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
No, uh, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I mean, it's it's exciting. It's exciting, and listen, even
as a as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player
at heart, it's it's enjoyable to be.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Talked about the Brown it's enjoyable. Huh, it's it's exciting.
It's exciting for for for Brown fans.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I mean, when's the last time you had a player
of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys
in the national spot like that this.
Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
At all at all times.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Basically, Yeah, you gotta go back to Johnny football.
Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Oh, hey boy, Johnny boy, Johnny was special. Blay Yeah,
now a Texas him. Johnny was special, Broy, you were special.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
So it's uh, we'll we'll see. It'll be interesting to
see when they go out to practice today. I mean
to excuse me today tomorrow, what comes back? What type
of reps? Uh, did should do or get? Did he
get rep with the ones? Did he get a report
two with the ones? Did he get anything with the
two's or was he back relegated to be in the
(01:01:22):
fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with the
Fords or no reps or just getting sidework. That's gonna
be the tail that that's gonna tell us, So Joe, Yeah,
because what they're talking and and and what's actually happening,
we'll find out. We'll find out, and we'll see what
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they do well, how they played this thing out on
Saturday when they play the game H
Chr Door shines in his first preseason game eleven of nineteen,
one hundred and three yards passing two TVs. You know
Coach Prime was fired up times. Yes, Lord, yes, Shador Sanders.
Oh yeah what now Coach Prime, God is good. Shout
out to Cocho brought her brothers for sending us this video.
Lebron James even way then that young king. Uh looking
(00:25):
good out there, Shador Sanders. Keep going up, head down
and grind and head high to the most and head
high to the most high. Jordan Schultz take from a
high ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie or Sanders.
It's early, but wow, actually shot, how good he looks.
Nike Football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Only matter of time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, o Jo, yeah, we could look, we can pick
two plays, oh Joe, Well, damn he missed the Sam
Strong safety where he had a guy ride over to
the Flatel second and eight and he skipped the ball
to him. But you saw that overroute. That brock Party
throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see
him fit the ball until those time those small windows.
(01:12):
Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass.
Now the receiver made a great one head to catch.
But did you see the touch? Yes, So take off
your head listen.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I wanted to see what Shad would look like in
a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get
any reps, as many reps as he should to prepare
himself to be prepared for a game like this. To
this magnitude, Dylan Brooks hurt ken, you picking her, Joe
Flacco not playing so the car that he was dealt
to go into this game?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Can you be a leader of men? Can you go
in calm, show a.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Presence of leadership, run the team, command the team, show
that regards to who's regards of who's around you. You
can still conduct yourself like quarterback one. He was calm
under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws,
had some air and throws. You know, obviously, that's what
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film is for, That's what the precist is for. The
fix the nooks in the crannies to get him out.
He looked like he belong. He looked different he did.
Andrew Barrier, you made the right call. There's a reason
that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have
dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me
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as any scout of those thirty two teams that didn't
need to start a quarterback, but those that needed a
quarterback and we're in need of one. Watched film on
Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and
we did at Colorado and said, you know what, no,
that's not my guy. The quote you just read from
the scout in the AFC North, if you watch film.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
What did you expect him to look like? He looked
exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like
he looked at Jackson State.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Calm, under pressure, in the pocket, going through progressions, making
the right throws.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's what he expected to see.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What they expected to see and what some hope to
see might be two entirely different things. Talk to me,
don now hope man, I show hope, Man, I show
hope this happens man versus expect to see what I
wanted to see. I wanted to see exactly what you
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what you wanted to see. I want to see. Could
he play with poise? Could he throw the ball with conviction?
Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions,
the pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me
some of everything. I'm the over route through it on
time and gout in his face. Let him boot drop
me right in the bucket. Hit those balls. A pressure
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in his face. The second touchdown, pressure in his face.
The first touchdown, the corner slumps off the flat, the
safety is hugging it. He fits it in, gets it in,
boom on the move. The touch pass over the top.
As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make
a great play, but your door had a nice loft.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That's not as easy to throw the mate. He was
impressive tonight.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Barry and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
People they were in the chat last night. Let's see
what your door does. Let's see what your door does.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know what they're gonna say now, Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh he's not playing against their starters. Oh he's playing
against this So.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He didn't have the starters either, Well, help, hello, I
just see Jerry Judy. I didn't see in Joeku, I
didn't seed the starting off.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Its no send to chillman. So this is what I
have to say to those who are gonna have another feat.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They're gonna move the gold host right, they're gonnas and say,
well he wanted to go against the Panther starters, Well,
obviously if he's not going against the Panther starters, or
if he and have his starters as well, and what
he has at the disposal, and look that good with
the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are
trying to make the team. What do you think is
gonna happen when he has the main characters in there
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rounding right? That makes your job a little bit easier,
that a little bit better at their position.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Than knows that he's playing with the Knight. What you
think gonna happen where they can try to move the
gold post? But I ain't trying to kick a field
goal or pat So I'm gonna score anyway, and shr
Duer Sanders score tonight. I'm gonna give credit words due
fourteen to twenty three, one hundred and thirty eight yards,
two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks. Like I said,
we can pick a couple of things. Yeah, it's a
strong safety of the Sam Strong safety blitz problem, like
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you know what. But it looked like he was telling God, bro,
I need you to hook up on that, you probably
not gonna be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson
hold on to the ball a little longer because he
get out run to safety. Josh Allen, same thing. That's
not your door. Your door is not a mobile quarterback.
He's gonna do all most the majority of his damage
is going to be in the pocket. Ojo Tom He
(06:00):
I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism.
That's not what he's known for.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
This is then what he lacks in athleticism and inability
to get out the pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He has gate. He has great pocket presents.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Being being able to move and being able to not
telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when
it's time to get up out of there. He can
extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
What about the third down? Huh?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
The third down when he scrambled.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
With the d Lin Ranom stunt, he was able to
get outside of it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I like, you know what I like the most. He
saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes, Yes, that's
what I like. Oh Yo, that's what I like. Oh y'all, oh,
I all know who's supposed to go first, and who's
supposed to I don't know who's supposed to eat or
who's supposed to T. And I don't know who's supposed
to T. But I tell you what I'm going.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, yeah, y'all. I tell you what y'all figured out
in film study tomorrow. But in the mean, any time
I'm about to pick up this, I'm about to pick
up the first down.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh, he's played himself.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
He might have started after four, but after this performance,
he can't be number four because he.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Told him something very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He says, you can't lose your job because of injury,
because let me.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tell you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If you get injured and you're out and a guy
comes in and he's playing better than you before you
got injured, is his job?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Ask yourself, was Dylan Gabra before he got hurt? Was
he playing better than what you saw your door Sanders
do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question. Was he
playing better than what your doer was than what your
door played tonight? So if you can honestly asks answer
those questions, okay?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And the thing about it what people need to understand
for those that in the chat is one thing to have.
Joint is one thing to practice against yourself and look
good against your players. Yes, scripted on everything is scripted,
even defensively, and those joint practices at times because there's
certain things they want to work on defensively and there's
certain things that you want to work on offensively. When
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you get into the game, nothing nothing is shared from
team to team, so it's a green light and everything
going as if it's a real game. You work in
your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to
do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple
as preseason games are from an offensive perspective, in the
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way the players are called. And he did that tonight
to a hell of a job, one hell of a
job tonight, and this is just something to continue to
build off of.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Clean up.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There were some mistakes, obviously, they're gonna always be mistakes
and things you can get better at. And as you
continue to see different looks, you're not going to get
many looks.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Obviously it's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know,
cover tool sometimes that you might throw you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Knows oo make the plays count.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah. Oh and listen he made him count the night
on that made.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You have to do when you're a low round draft pick,
oho me being a SEP no mark being a being
a low round draft pick. Oho, you're not gonna get
the plays that a high round draft pick is gonna get.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So don't go out there thinking that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But when it's your time, shine, Yes, when it's your time,
shine and that Hey you say I don't count time,
I make time count. Well I didn't count plays. As
my brother used to say. Hey, I know you ain't
get that many reps. Keep your head up because one
day John Elwire gonna call for you. He gonna look
for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You need
to be make sure you where you're supposed to be
(09:46):
right your door. Didn't get a whole lot of reps.
But when opportunity presents itself. That's what luck is. It's
when preparation meets opportunity. Aminson said, some call it luck.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'm glad you just said what you just said.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You you just said you didn't get as many reps
as you should have in practice.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But he got into a game, and what did he
do on react, But the reps that he did get
in practice, he made those counts because a lot of
times I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen
it on Yo, I've seen god Man, I ain't getting
no burn, man, I can't. And then when you get
out there, you fing up. Yeah, your door says, Hey,
these one or two reps I might get. With the three,
(10:27):
the threes and fours, I gotta make these counts. These
gotta be my This has got to be my best
work of the day. Yeah, because you know why, Yo,
it might be my only work of the day. So
if it's my only it's got to be my best
because this is the only time they're going to see
me on tape, they see me standing behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, Hey, I'm being positive.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job,
offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end
of the day, I need to get an opportunity to
show you what I can do. And with the opportunity
presents itself, that's what look is preparation meeting opportunity. Dominson said,
Some call it luck.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Hey, hey, listen, I'm happy.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I'm happy for young Bull. I'm happy for Young Bull.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
This is one of the few times I can't think
of the last time that everyone was excited excited.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
About wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Did you see all them people in the stands with
the twelve and with the signs? Did you see all
that out yoke Cleveland Brown's game on the road?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I was in the same division with the jokers, and
guess what. We used to play.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Them saying same.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They don't They didn't travel like that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, and they ain't got no reason to travel because
it's been bad a long time.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, So listen tonight we saw a very small sample size.
We saw a very small samb size, yes, of what
your door sayers can look like the fact that he
played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against toos
and threes.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Sure, I say this to say that what happens when
he's with the ones having to run that same.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Offense, right, and you and you guess what and you
go and you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrally.
Oh yo, I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning
because we normally game plan game three. We go back
and now the coaches go back and they look at
what they did last season, and we script the game
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plan that's gonna be what we think we're gonna see him.
First down, second down, third down, third and short, third
and long, just down in distance area of the field,
first and goal, second and goal, third and goal. Now
we're calling plays, not just the arbitrally call plays. We're
calling plays with a purpose for a purpose, and eventually
they're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But I was in pressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But for someone that didn't get as many reps, made
the reps that he did get, he made them count
in practice. And when he got his opportunity, when the
opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom gradis opportunity
presented itself, which is when the rubber meat, the what
when the rubber meat the road man and so, uh
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your door. He should he should be proud of himself.
Uh you know him being who he is raised, how
he was raised. I'm supposed to say, Reard, I guess
you raised livestock and animals. But anyway, big raised how
he was raised, He's not gonna be He's not gonna
be he's not gonna get He's not gonna get too
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because guess what, even kill.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, you got to stay even killed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You know why because not only having to deal with
the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now
you got you got to deal with the noise on
the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And that wasn't my pick. Yeah that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
How you do it?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit, like you said,
brother has him. Don't smile, don't don't even don't say anything,
start with ass.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
He said that the.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Nerve the gall I'm a Paul, Well, I'm a David.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I'm gonna say it one more time. And this is
for everybody in the chat.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
If even if you don't like you do it, even
if you don't like him, how do you watch film
college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that
would before him and see what all of them.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Are done and say, you know what, now I'm a
passive for him.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's not the guy I want right New Orleans Saints,
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't know what other teams that were there need
of a quarterback. How do you do it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'm just asking from a person that played the game
of football and understanding.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I have an eye. I have an eye. I played
the game for a very long time at a very
high level.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know it's
supposed to look like in situations that that are not
advantageous for you. I just saw a young fella winning
Jackson State turned a Colorado program around that when one
game regards to what his record was in his totality
twenty three and twelve, whatever may have been, I know
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what it can do when you got the right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Pieces around him. I know what he can do. He's
a win nerve regardless of what situation you put him in.
And he showed it again to night, yet again to
night with his back up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.
Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high,
he doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence
in himself and most the good ones really do no
matter how bad, and we've seen it, no matter how
bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know,
if it's laid the ballgame, they got.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
A chance to beat you.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, and your doors in the situation where it's like,
doesn't make any excuses and he always says the right thing. Listen,
it's not as easy as you think to always say
the right thing, because you're dealing with the human element
of it, the human element of it. No matter how
much you have, no matter how little you have, no
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matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been,
You're dealing with the human element of it. And people
have emotions, people have feelings, and so sometimes when people
lash out and say things like damn man, you know
you take the amount of time.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But he hears what's being written about it. Absolutely he hears.
He sees.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
If he doesn't, he's getting work, it's getting back to him.
But I just love the way the man kept his
head down, closed off his ears, and just did what
he was supposed to do. He went to work, And
that's how That's how you have to approach it. Don't
get mad. I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong. I'm
trying to prove me right, and in the process of
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proven me right, I'll prove you wrong. It was it
was a great job. It was his first outing. Like
I said those throws. It wasn't so it was it
was the throws that he made. Oh Joe, go back
and take a look at that overball and we see
brock Perdy throw three or four of those a game
to IU.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Can you used to hit breath devot on those plays?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You'll kiddle on the over look at how he threw
that ball, the timing of it.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Do you do you do you understand the anticipatory skills
you have to have as back with pressure coming at you.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
There was one, there was one.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, because on the replay we couldn't even see him.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
We just saw them all come out.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So he's anticipated where the receiver was gonna be and
he just made the throw and put it only where
the receiver could catch it.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yep, that first touchdown.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You understand when people saw tonight, I don't think they
understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they
understand how different the game is. But he made it
look like he's been doing it for a very long time.
It's his first time, it's his first time in the
NFL game, but he's used to it. Chat look at
his mannerisms. Look how you walk on the first down? Okay,
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he almost did the why celebration. He said, you know what,
I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet.
And just just everything about him and being quarterback number one,
just the way he carried herself. He was ready for
the moment. No matter what they no matter what they did,
no matter what they said. Just put me in a situation.
Just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and
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I'm gonna play it. And he did that just just
exactly how we should deny the hand he was dealt.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He played the hand very well, and it's only gonna
get better from here. It doesn't go backwards. You don't,
you don't digress. I'm excited, and this is coming from
a Bengal fan at heart.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have to
answer at the quarterback position after trying thirty five times
over the years. You know, I listen, man, I can
go on and on about this, but go ahead, you
got it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think the thing is the biggest thing in that
after they can have is the ability to believe that
he belonged, he or she belongs.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was a seventh round draft pick she'd do. It
was a five.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
There was twelve rounds when I was a seventh. There
are seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah, but there is
not one point in time that I didn't feel I
belonged on that field. And I saw a lot of
these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys
that combine and I read about them. Yeah, and I
remember I remember calling my brother at each West Shrine grad.
I said, they do not better than me. They're not
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better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah,
I remember going to the combine of that man, I
you know what you think you're read? I say, probably
post six, four seven. I say, but they're not better
than me. They might be faster than me, but they
not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And
when I went to Denver, all those guys that went
before me, I'm like, I ain't no what.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I remember asking.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Myself, how in that hell did you get drafted before me?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I said, but don't worry about it. Don't worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I said, it won't be long, it won't be It
was like the cat, Well, girl, she say, boy, the
cat got his tail, calling.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The washing machine you know what he said, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He said, it won't be long now, he said, she
didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
His tail wouldn't be long anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Or it won't be long for it all be over, yes, sir, yeah, man,
And when we putting them pants on, ohoe? Yeah, first,
I'll never forget because you know, the rookies, we went
to camp before the vet, so we would go like
a couple of days before the vets, so we would
already be practicing right in Denver before we headed up
to Greeley. Right, I saw him. They was nervous, oh Joe,
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like a long tailed dog with a porch full of
rocking chairs, you know, somebody leaning back and go be
able to say, you don't have to bother about now.
I thought they were nervous. I said, oh yeah, that's
that's all I need to see, just a little fear,
the little fear in the man's eyes, because that's my that's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
My greatest ability. Yes, another man's fear.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And listen, I know we've been talking about your door,
but listen, remember I told remember I remember what I
told you about the panthers, right, Yes, remember I told
you about the Panthers. If there's a if there's a
dark a chat, stay with me real quick. If there's
a dark.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Horse team that I believe in this year that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Is going to creep up and maybe make it run
into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers.
They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look back. Jayllen
Kocher went crazy tonight. T Matt the rookie from Arizona,
looked good tonight.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I know, Executy like it got thrown out getting into
a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. Its just preseason.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers
look early in the game. For those I know everybody
tuned in to wash your door. But I'm telling you
right now, and I said at first, someone that's that's
not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization.
They owe me nothing. I'm telling you the dark horse
team for this season, the Carolina Panthers. Bryce Young in
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that receiving cord. I'm telling you what.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh Joe, I ain't never been that hot in in
a preseason game.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, the tunsle.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
They were going at it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't really got no tuzzle in practice, bro, because
I'll tell you what Dan Reeve's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You fighting.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I mean, we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan said
the same thing. Ain't working hard enough, Bro, It ain't
like it is now.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Them two hours two and a half hour practice, man,
please with pads. And you had on paths and oh
let me take that back, o Joe. You have on
they call it, see what they call shells would show
the paths in shorts.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's not shells like they call it now.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Basically got little little fitted of styron foam stuff on
that was not shells. When when I got in the nineties,
shells would show the paths in shorts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Shorts.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, and and you know we hit they were we
hit back then Nine on seven.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Was live five yep.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Team team was a solid thud up. There wasn't no
touch the guy on his like two hands touch. Oh no,
you put shoulders on him, You put pads on him.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You bet you better come to you better come to
balance and be ready.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and at
water Man they come down in that box. Boy, we
had thumpers back then, Oh yeah, man, please.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Atwater, ain't play dog at water coming downhill.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Now and atwater wasn't the thumper like then Dennis Smith,
Kahuna was the thumper number forty nine.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Whoa whoa morning at water?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yes, le yes lord, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I saw that Joe a at two o five, two ten,
I saw him sit lineman, sit linman on the ass.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They pulling.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
He ain't never go low right upting. That showed in
their chest and set him down at two ten at
two ten here go back here if y'all can find it,
go back and check the tape.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He pots come
through the hole.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
He hit him. He was out called.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Uh Marrion Butts.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Hey, if you if you're a Charger fan, you know
who because back then, o Joe, they had a big, old,
big running back. They had big Marrion Butts, They had
Rod Bernstein. They have a big Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox.
I mean they are the tight ends were like three
hundred pounds offensive live mammoth offensive line.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, Cohuna run through.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Go back and look at that play if with Dennis
Smith hit uh, he hit Marrion buts and he hit
Roosevelt Potts.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, you know, you know who else was the Thumber two?
Remember Donovan Darius?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah yeah, I played against d D Double D at
uh at Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But that was back back in the nineties. You had Chuck.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Cecil, you had Mark Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy, back then,
it wasn't no nothing defenseless about that. They said, you
got him and the shoulder pass. What the hell you
thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh yeah, you're gonna get that work. What you're gonna
get that work?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Roder Harrison, Oh rock. Every time Hey I say bro,
he say Shaw, just stay out my knees. I say,
got you. But boy, we tried. We definitely try to
hit each other in the mouth. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Hey,
that's a hard playing joker. Chador said all the right
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things last night, as as expected after great preseason debut.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Let's take a listen to what your doer had to say.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I mean, God's with us. It's humans. We mess up
that times. But I don't feel like he threw us
away as individual. So it's different things in different life lessons.
You know, you gotta go through. And I haven't went
through this situation you know that I'm in ever, So
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it's it's really just a test, you know, I feel
like from God or whoever it's from, it's just a
test anyway.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I'm just thankful that.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I was able to see the day of light and
get out there and be able to play, so you know,
they didn't have to let me play, So anything and everything,
you know, it's good for me. So then you know,
the kids looking up the kids definitely inspire me.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Of course. Of course, more so.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
A lot of people are incarcerated that that definitely talk
to their friends to talk to me, to tell me
my friend, my friend from jail was you know, watching
you play and watching everything that's going on. So it's
just like the world, the world, you know, I say,
is so small and everybody sees everything. And I'm thankful
to be able to inspire people through everything. Because the
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lady just told me, Now, when I'm having a bad day,
I just think about your door and I'm staying, I
gonna act like you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know, so like that's so cool.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
You know to me that that some form of inspirations.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Your door the only thing I'm gonna disagregeate with you.
They had to let you play because everybody else was hurting.
Because you ain't had no choice if they didn't let
you play, they brought they brought a guy in. They
brought in us Huntly because Flacker wasn't gonna play and
the other two couldn't play. So, but you did your thing.
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All you could control is what you can control. What
you could control was how you played, how you handled
the how you handled the situation that you've been placed in.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
He did it, He did very well.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
He did it, and he handled it well. He said
all the right things, He did all the right things.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Uh. And that that's that's control what you can control.
What you can't control, don't worry about it. Control what
you can control.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He went through a storm, something he never If you'd
told him a year ago he would be in this
situation where he's at right now, he wouldn't have believed that.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
His dad wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Nobody you or I didn't wouldn't believed it. Not based
on baby, But you're here.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Forget how I got here? How are you going to
get out of here?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah? Because a lot of time. You know, we spent
a lot of time with your dad.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
How we got into the situation, you're in the situation now,
How you're gonna get out of it? Yeah, and I
think you've done a great job. Look, you know, I'm
sure he talks to his dad. Even though his dad
is not there, he still talks to his dad daily.
Dad gives him great advice. He doesn't put any more
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on us that we can have.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And sometimes the situation they put you in, they're not
advantageous for you. It's not the best situation for you
because you got people in the situation you win that
don't even believe in you. And that's when it heard
worse most of the time. If he's someone, oh, I'm
a part of your organization and you say, well, hell,
I ain't want you though, that's that's meant to break you.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
That's meant to break you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You don't you can't break what. You can't break what
you you career.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But everybody's not built like that.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Mentally, you're right in this era, in this era of
sensitivity and oh he said this about me, And no,
everybody not built for that.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's meant to break you. And if they break you mentally.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It affects what you do in between the lines on
the green grass. But that's neither hear no there he
played well the small sample size we got to see
a brother Sander's twelve.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Look good, you look good.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You're right, Oh, Joe, you're right everybody area.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I mean, I mean sometimes, I mean sometimes with the
are not going your way and you're feeling down, man, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Hard to stay positive.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And I think the thing the best thing for him
is that he has a dad that's really positive.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
He sees the positivity and everything.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Even when it's all negativity, he'll find something positive.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He'll find something good to say.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Dan knows.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's what Joe what he wants.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
HM make him bark, make him bark, making bark.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
No, No, we don't want to. I try to deter
up from barking. And and the thing is, I put
Titus up tightus asleep so I ain't gonna worry about
Titus coming and hear him growling and going crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Hey, that's a good combination, bro.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And then I took the bones up because him and
Teddy fighting over the bones. He wanted all the bones.
He didn't want Teddy to have none. So he had three.
I gave each one of the bone, so he had his,
and he bargained Teddies so once I gave him, once
I gave him Teddyes, it was all good. So I
just took all three of them because they gave he
had two. At first Teddy just had one. But he
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wasn't satisfied with that. He wanted all three. So I said, no,
we're nothing to do that. You gotta look, we're gonna
take We're gonna take the bones up.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
With your hands.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Over there, man, you want to with.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Hey, yeah, come on over here, Thanos. I'm gonna tell you.
I'm gonna take you down to the city. Boy. They
got a dog. They got a dog park downtown.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
He said, I can go to the dog park.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
He said, you know I got I got you know,
I had a little mind of procedure about the money.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We're all good.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
What's wrong with him?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
We got it, We got it fixed up. Why it's out? Look,
he said he heard he heard about them child's.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He said he won't know that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Okay, okay, okay, get out there and have a little fun. Man.
Yep the girl, yeah, he said, we ain't having no fun.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But uh, if you're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Look good. He looked good. He looked really good last night.
He spoke really good after the game. And the thing
now is to build excuse me, it's to build on
what he did last night. He also spoke about gifting
teammates some new cleats. Check this out on Joe.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, I'm just excited for all of them I gifted.
I get a lot of receivers. The Prome DT ninety
six is. You know, a couple of them had them on.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
So I just I just.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Get to a couple of like the main receivers going
into this game. You know, I give to them, some
some warm, some didn't. But I was like, okay, this
is just my little appreciation gift to them.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Because they don't be having a lot in stocks. So
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
I couldn't do everybody. I wish I could, But yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Hey, the ones he won in the game with Dope,
Yeah that was the one talking about. They had the
orange lining like brown. Yeah, they was nice. They were nice, I.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Think also as a receiver, But for me, I wouldn't
want to cleante that heavy, you know. The I mean
they're they're heavy, even based on the way they're made.
I want a light issue as possible, So I mean
they look good.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Time could have been at that time, could have been
out there in TEMs and absolutely, but uh, it all
depends I was, you know, I will. I wore uh
TD bottles, okay, so I will wide receiver cleats.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
So he was, he was?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
He was good that yeah, because I'm herd plan me
even though I'm.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
A hard planning on. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Rebok obviously was a rebark back back then. I had
rebark take all the lining out of my shoe. I
don't want any support.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I want my.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Shoe to be just like attracts you, Just like attract you.
I need to feel the floor. I need to feel
the floor when I stop, when I go, when I
try to cut and transition. I don't want anything restricting
my ankles when it's time for my letter one and
and movements. So all I had was the shell, some
shoelaces and cleants at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But you always were molded, Bob, You didn't. You didn't
you wore a tempo bom, Yeah you did? You didn't
we yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Wear I hadn't have.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
A choice but to wear seven studs when we played
in hines Field.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
I think they let the field be messed up like
that on purpose.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, baby goodness, it's.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Like, I don't know, I don't know that was an
advantage for them, but yeah, that's the only time I
wore seven studs is when we played in heines Field.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Mm hmmm mm hmmmm uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
There's a video that's been making his way around Curtisy
or Buckie. It's him confronting Brown's reporter Tony Grossi for
not having anything positive to say.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Ojo, let's take a look at this video.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
You got some.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Positive and I'm like you, Hey, that's dope, monk.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I like it because most of the time those interactions
like that, that's not how they go when it comes
to players. Most of the time it comes to a
beat reporter that's been established for that long as a
Cleveland Beat reporter. You know, when it comes to saying
something negative. Most of the time the player challenges him
in that manner because you've never said anything positive. And
(36:08):
I could just imagine I haven't read any of the article,
and I could just imagine if the rest of the world.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Has been somewhat negative towards the door.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I could imagine what the person that's in house, that
seizing every day writes. So the fact that they were
able to do it with a smile, with class, with
grace and understanding. What God damn, do you have anything
nice to say? Because everything I've seen so far has
been negative. I did nothing, do you? But obviously the
dude had the job to do. You understand how.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
To get the views?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You have to understand negativity. Negativity, It would create traction, clickbait.
How can I get people to read what I'm writing
where you talk negative about the biggest thing going on
right now in Cleveland outside of Lebron James when he
was there right now is Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Robert Lattail Black Sports Online. Grossie has been like this
for thirty years. Baker couldn't couldn't handled it, couldn't. I
guess he's saying Baker could not have handled it. Shador
disarmed him in sixty second and changed his energy. That's
a gift not all people have for negative people.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Hey listen, they'll smile on your face. They smile the face.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Obviously at that point and in that moment, what's your
door greeting?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Him the way he did with.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Class with grace. But god, damn, are you gonna say anything.
I'm just waiting on you to say something nice, something. Yeah,
So the guy has no I mean, what can you say,
especially after that performance?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
What can you say? And I know people gonna say, oh,
it's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh it's a small sambit size, Let's see what he
does in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I mean, it's still this is all we have to
go off.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So we're talking about what we saw in that specific case,
in that moment. I'm curious to what he wrote the
day because I'm sure he had something to say today.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Look, I mean, I think it's different for a quarterback
because you know, the eyes are all on you. But
I really never had no problem. I was saying around
draft pick. I wasn't supposed to be anyway. So anything
that I gave, anything that I gave him twenty catchers,
that was good. But as I got you know, I
had never had a problem with with Mark Kisler, never
(38:22):
had a problem with Woody Page.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I never had a problem with who else. Jim Armstrong,
he was a he was a columnist when I was there.
He's a ind he was with the Indie Star. Now
I forget his name, uh Schefteron I got to dinner
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Adam Shefter was reported Denver.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, m boy, cheft, he'd been at this thing for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Oh yeah, who's the guy uh bo for the Indie Star. Nah,
he's the he's the columnist. He's the big guy. M
hm uh huh no, no, no, no, no, no, who's
(39:10):
the big h But he was in he was in
Denver when I was there the first half. I hate
when I can come on Denver help me. I know
(39:30):
y'all in the chat.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Hey, somebody in the chat say, Teddy, Look, I mean
they don't look like a skunk his color way, Teddy.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean that I ain't talking.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
And want to learn how to whis like this. Uh
uh you know how to whistle like this? Hunk? No,
it should be loud to hear. I want to learn
how to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Probably too late now.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Well damn, I can't.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's too I got this A certain age age are
like that.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I just I just never, I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm going to a NASCAR event soon, and I want
to be able to make sure I can whistle like
that at the NASCAR event.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I'm going to date. Don't take it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember I told Bubba. I told
Bubb I was coming, So I'm actually coming. We got
everything aligned, so I'm going down there. I got my
I got my my flannel, my cut off sleeves, I
got my George.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I'm serious, I got my georts. I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The only problem is that I don't drink as long
as they got hot dogs and I'm having my coke
with no ice too.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Hot dogs. A nice little date my ldy friend. I
know she probably watching.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Man What's I can't think of his name?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Man, Hey, chack? I got a poem. Y'all want to
hear it or you want to what? You want to
save it for later?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
We're gonna say it later. I'll think about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Kevin Stefanski was asked what's your doors big game does
for the depth chart for the Browns. His response was, yeah,
we're really just focused on developing our players.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, we're in evaluation modes.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm pleased where the guys are, but I'm not diving
into the quarterback competition.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You got to you got to keep it safe. You
don't have a choice but to keep it safe.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
You don't have a choice but to keep it safe.
There's not much you can say. He's not in a
position to really say anything. You can't make any evaluations
based off what you saw tonight.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Listen, brother Stefanski. He doesn't even.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Have the power to be able to give the green
light on what he wants to do. He doesn't have
the power to get the green light on what he
wants to do. It's going to come down to upper
those upstairs. But I think it's going to come to
a point where certain individuals are going to play so well.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
They're not going to have a choice. They're not going
to have a choice.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
But I know one thing I can tell you this,
A blind man can see that Joe Flacco will be
the starter for the foresee of the future until things
aren't going well offensively for the Cleveland Browns. And I'm assuming,
as I said long ago, that should do would be
number two, and he's been able to show that.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
I hope hopefully Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
And Dylan Gabriel can get healthy, so they should showcase
themselves in the preseason games and what they can what
they can and can't do, and that's it. I'm hoping
it's a good healthy quarterback battle once they get back healthy.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So you think it's going to be his job. You
think he's going to be the number two.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I said, I said that, Yeah, I said, I said that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Man, it's oh Joe, you ever You're like, I want
to think of something and you can't think of it.
I get mad, but I just would want to know.
I just be wanting to go to bed. I don't
even want to.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Can't think of you can't think of the guy's last name.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, man, it's driving me crazy. Whatever, listen to call
I'm gonna have to call. I'm gonna have to call
Mike Cliffs tomorrow. It's say, what's that dude?
Speaker 5 (43:46):
It's gonna come to you.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh, you know his name? He says.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Look, I'm not even a year old. I won't even
be a year old until December, So clearly I don't
know about NFL insiders saying Shaduur Sanders still stands behind
Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches. Gabriel is the head
of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but
rarely in training camp has that position match what we've
seen on the field. The quarterback situation remains the story
(44:15):
of camp, and should Sanders is settling in to lead
three scoring drives in the most extended action of the
summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is
fourth in a line any less perplexing. No reasonable person
thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team
and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now.
(44:38):
He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone
believe he should be on the team and have a
chance to develop it the starting quality player. Sanders is talented.
His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver
Greg Lebardon in the preseason opener and has floated down
the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later on proof. Until
(45:01):
we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense,
we can't believe the Browns view him as having much
of a shot to be the number two.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
When the season begins.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I agree with what they're saying, but that's my point
is Okay, you said, have we seen enough?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Have you seen enough of Dylan?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you
think he can be number two?
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Did you hear, did you who excuse me who.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Wrote that the Browns athletic insider.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
The Browns athletic insider?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right yep.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
So you see Shade or do what he does three
quarters of football three? I think maybe maybe played well
into the fourth quarter?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Right, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
So in a live game, you saw him play the
way he played, and still question if you can do
the same thing when he has the actual starters at
his disposal.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
My thing is, he says, no reasonable person thinks Sanders
will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently
attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
What about Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Has he shown you enough to make them believe that
three weeks from now he can lead this team against
a complicated defense? I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett
ever shown you that he can lead a team against
a complicated defense? Because all I know is that what
(46:40):
I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he
can't do. Like my coach just said, college withday will
put it find something that he can do. See you
keep telling me what you do or can't do. Well,
Your job as a coach is to put players in
position and find something that they can do.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from? When
we just saw him do it. I know it's a
small sambo size, it's three quarters of football. But everything
you said he can't do, he just did. Matter of fact,
he just did when we already saw him do at
Jackson State. He just did when we saw him do
at Colorado, we just did. Even though it's a small sambaside, Uncle,
I played the game for a very long time, yep,
(47:17):
I played the game for.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
A very long time. I'm a receiver.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I know what it's supposed to look like. I know
what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing
in a.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Game and he's confident, he's polished his pocket, presence, his mannerisms.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny
Pickett with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have
been the answer in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
No, what was what's the question you asking?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Because if Kinney Pickett is the answer, If Kenny Pickett
is the answer, I need to know the question.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Don't know what more I don't know what more.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Listen when you when you when you fill out your resume,
right when you fill out your resume and you going
for that job interview, you want to put your best
foot forward. You want to keep a lasting impression, correct, well,
impressions with what we saw Friday night from the person
they claim.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Is the fourth is the fourth string quarterback?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, I mean what do we do we build from
that on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, you build from that.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
No, you build from that starting in practice by giving
him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him
in the position that he was in where he's getting
a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You
give him some opportunities with the ones, with the tooths.
I'm not saying you he has to take five six
reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle. Maybe
you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give
him three or four ref with the twos. I do
(48:51):
agree with this. Until we see Sanders get practice ref
with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns
view him as having much of a shot to be
number two when the season begins. True, I do agree
with that statement. You're not going from four to two.
If you for a training camp, then all of a
sudden the seasons start. Your number two. They're gonna need
to see you with the ones and twos to feel
(49:12):
comfortable because they got to make a decision. And when
you make that decision, you release somebody. Ain't no guaranteed
that you're gonna be able to bring them back and
put them on your practice squad. Somebody might sign them
and put them on the active roster. So that the case, Ohoe,
do I stay on your practice squad for say twenty
five to thirty fives, or do I go somewhere and
get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and
(49:34):
make almost a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
So that's the question that you have.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's a decision that you make when you release these guys,
because I'm sure there's some guys you know. I would
love to have him to have another year learning our
system and when we come back next year, having the
OTAs the training camp, the season of working the scout
team stuff, when we come back for OTA's OHO, he
should be good to go. He should be fully developing,
(49:59):
good to go. Oh I don't want people thinking that
were beating and now beating up on Zach Jackson. I
agree with what he's saying, But my thing, I'm more
talking about the Browns as a as as an organization,
as a coaching staff. Are you are you are? Because
the fans are saying you want us to believe you
(50:20):
or are lying?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Eyes?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh, I know, I know, I know what my eyes
I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what
you say it, but I see better than I hear.
Come on, now, y'all keep telling us Dylan Gabral, Dylan Gabriel,
but we have yet to see him. Now, everything that
I see is that now he's you know, she's not
better than you do it. For most of the articles
that I've been reading, it a people can write whatever
(50:43):
they want to write, so I don't want to put
too much emphasis. But I haven't seen I haven't read
a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel
is better, has been played, has played better, or playing
better than you do?
Speaker 5 (50:56):
What did I tell you tell you not too long ago?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Of how camp look?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, I'm not saying the names again this time because
I don't want to get nobody in no trouble.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
What did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And then exactly what that individual said who's in there
every day that plays on the other side of the
ball and has to see it, exactly what he said way.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Back then we saw it, shure up the fact that
he not getting first seam reps with the ones of
the tools, and still went out there and looked the
way he did. What does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
He begin with damn the one of the tools, O Joe.
He barely getting reps at all, and.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Then strip, Okay, I'll say no more again, say no more,
so you're not doing him justice in practice. But still
showed up in the game and looked the part and
looked like that.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
What does that say?
Speaker 3 (51:53):
But we gonna see Saturday, And I hope Delan Gabriel
gets his opportunity because I would love to see what
he does and then what he gives that offense and
that that coach of staff that believes in him.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.
I'm hoping he does.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I would love to see it. I would love to
see it. I know he's a competitor. He was great
at organ he was really good.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
So I'm all, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Let the guy like it's like when you in that situation,
the guy flashes. Normally, when guys flashes in camp O Joe,
you and I both played the NFL for a long time.
We both played at a high level every team that
I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a
guy flashes in the game, he gets he gets to
(52:42):
move up, and he gets meaning for reps, more meaningful reps,
meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They
don't sneak some reps in with the two's, maybe they'll
give him one or two shots with the ones.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
That's normally how it works.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
They're not so setting their ways that it's like, oh,
we just see this guy as It's kind of like TD.
I give private example. TD was a guy. TD was
a sixth round draft pick. TV was probably like the
fifth or the sixth running back. But every day he
made that play on kickoff, and every day you saw
TD get a little better. Give him a little bit
(53:20):
more reps, and so all of a sudden, he go
from six to five, from four, four to two. After
the first game of the season, TD one. Yeah, normally
that's how it plays out. Guys, show you in the game,
because when guys flashing practice, O Joe, you're thinking to yourself,
(53:42):
I wonder if he do that in the game. Hell, coach,
put his ass in the game. Let's see what he
could do. Right, That's that's that's normally how it happened.
Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, That's how I got.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
In the game.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
He said, Dan, put his ass send the game. Let's
see if they can covery because we can't. Damn Like, Okay,
they put my ass in the game. Yeah, well, shr Door,
I think Shador showed you something that he deserve it.
I'm not saying he needs to do you need to implement
him as the starter the number one Oh Joe, I didn't.
We didn't say that. That's not what we're saying. But
(54:20):
I think he's shown you enough. Friday just says, you
know what, we might need to give him some more
quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday,
and let's see him facing the number one defense Miles Garrett,
those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy,
let's give him in Djoku. Let's see if he can
(54:43):
replicate some of that what he did on Friday with
the ones today. Yeah, that's all we're saying.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
And can I can I say one more thing?
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Go ahead?
Speaker 5 (54:56):
If you can do what he did without getting the
practice reps in a game without the number ones around him, Things.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Only get easier when you have the ones at your
disposal that are better at the position Cedric Tillman and
Jokub Jerry.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
It only becomes easier, Uncle, It doesn't get more difficult.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Now once you're playing against the team that's scheme for
you and disguises and does all the all the stuff,
you know, the game planning for you.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Okay, that's different. Then you just have to process a
little bit faster.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yes, but it is.
Speaker 5 (55:36):
It's vanilla. They line up and they.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Just go, that's exactly how it is. You get better
at something by doing said thing.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yes, exactly, hear what you just said. You get better
something by doing said thing. But he wasn't doing said
thing because he's right and still look the way he did.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I you agree.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
They don't view it that way.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
They that organization, they don't view it that way. How
I don't know, I don't know, but I'm guessing in
the in the in the direction in which they're going.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
I'm hoping they're right.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
They haven't been right in the thirty five quarterback that
they tried previously, or maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
No, I just think I do believe that he's earned
the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos.
I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's
QB one. I'm not saying it's QB two maybe, but
I think he's earned that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
I know one thing. I know one thing. They better
put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that god damn stadium. Yeah,
tell you that. I listen.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I can already foresee how it's gonna go. I already
know how it's gonna go. I can already see it.
They gonna continue to play, continue to play, continue to play,
put everybody in front of him, continue to play. And
then when this opportunity presents itself like it did because
of injury, he looked a certain way.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
You can't deny it. No, you can't deny it. No
matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
You can't Oh Joe and Cleveland doing this.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very
road he took to avoid it. Sometimes you might they
might even have their quarterback even though they tried to
avoid giving him the opportunity. Come on, now, come on now,
on the very road you took to avoid it, you
found your destiny.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I just.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm
a player personnel director. I just know that when guys
flash go back to Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
They kept four quarterbacks that year.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom
that said, if he got more of an opportunity, he
might be.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, he didn't know he was gonna be this hell.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
If he d knew he was gonna be that, somebody
would have taken him into the first pick of the draft. Right,
But he flashed enough guys, you know, late round picks. Okay,
like he showing something. He just sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity, you know, looking at Trey Lambs,
(58:57):
Trey Lamps like he needed time, time, which the forty
nine ers didn't have. Forty nine ers are on the clock.
They got to win. Now with the roster that they have,
they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland What do you are?
I mean, you just gave a guy one hundred and
forty million dollars. He's under the assumption. Now he played
(59:20):
it both ways. You I want out y'all not winning?
Got the money? Hey, but what are y'all? What are
y'all doing? Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win?
Because y'all see who is in y'all division, Lamar Jackson
and Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is twenty seven, twenty eight.
(59:40):
He got another five to ten years in Baltimore. Joe
Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar. He's got
another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while y'all
playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy and
he's gonna be there for the almost a decade. Hm,
(01:00:04):
you're not beating a team that has an established quarterback.
Play of musical chairs with quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
No, uh, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I mean, it's it's exciting. It's exciting, and listen, even
as a as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player
at heart, it's it's enjoyable to be.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Talked about the Brown it's enjoyable. Huh, it's it's exciting.
It's exciting for for for Brown fans.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I mean, when's the last time you had a player
of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys
in the national spot like that this.
Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
At all at all times.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Basically, Yeah, you gotta go back to Johnny football.
Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Oh, hey boy, Johnny boy, Johnny was special. Blay Yeah,
now a Texas him. Johnny was special, Broy, you were special.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
So it's uh, we'll we'll see. It'll be interesting to
see when they go out to practice today. I mean
to excuse me today tomorrow, what comes back? What type
of reps? Uh, did should do or get? Did he
get rep with the ones? Did he get a report
two with the ones? Did he get anything with the
two's or was he back relegated to be in the
(01:01:22):
fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with the
Fords or no reps or just getting sidework. That's gonna
be the tail that that's gonna tell us, So Joe, Yeah,
because what they're talking and and and what's actually happening,
we'll find out. We'll find out, and we'll see what
(01:01:46):
they do well, how they played this thing out on
Saturday when they play the game H
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!