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Speaker 1 (01:17):
Guys for joining us for a daycap edition. Welcome to
Canelo Crawford Radio Row. I want to thank Netflix. I
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Because of them, we are here today and we get
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Speaker 2 (01:35):
This type of environment.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
So thank you again, Netflix, Thank you again Fountain Blue
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Radio Row. We have a ton of guests rolling through.
This is early, you know how it is. A lot
of these people are very, very famous, and a lot
of these people come on their schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It don't come on our schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So what we might have Tendley scheduled for say twelve fifteen,
twelve thirty, twelve forty five, it might be one one, fifteen,
one thirty, but they will be here today. We have
some outstanding guests on the car tonight coming through to
talk to us about this fight. Jim Gray, who's a
good friend of mine, who's covered the sport of boxing
for forty plus years. He's gonna come here and gonna

(02:15):
tell us about what he expects from this fight, the
buzz that's been generated from this fight, because this is
one of the bigger fights OJO that we've seen in
a very long time. We see Bud Crawford going up
two weight classes to take on Canelo, the undisputed champ
at one sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I'm excited about this Listen, I'm very excited.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's one of the biggest, biggest draws, one of the
biggest gates since Pacchio and the Mayweather So I'm excited.
The buzz around the fight, the promotion around the fight,
where Turkey y' ali has been able to do and
making boxing great again, creating fights that people want to see.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I'm excited for the fight. Bud going up two weight classes. Obviously,
I'm kind of nervous. I'm kind of nervous being realistic,
understanding the gates, understanding the game of boxing, understanding the
sweet science. They have weight classes for a reason, yes,
but if there's anybody that can make history and has
the mentality to do so, and the skill set is
Budd Crawford. I think Buddy's looking at it from from

(03:09):
this standpoint. He's saying, finally, I don't have to strip down.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Bud probably walks around at one eighty one eighty five
and he's stripping down to one forty seven. He said, Naw,
I ain't got to strip down but to one sixty eight. Yes,
so I'm gonna have more strength, I'm gonna have more power.
I'm not gonna be in a week in state come
fight night.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
The thing that you know that you have to respect
most about Floyd Mayworth and people like well, Floyd Floyda
is a naturally small man. Floyd was dropping five pounds.
Floyd walk around, weighed one fifty five. You dropping down
to one forty seven. So Floyd also he trained you around.
He didn't allow his weight to fluctuate so much. So
what you saw Floyd, for the most part, what's his
natural weight. So he was able to fight basically his

(03:50):
whole career one forty one forty seven. He did go
up to a junior middleweight one fifty four to challenge
Oscar de la Hoya. But for the most part, Florida
is a naturally small man, but is a big guy.
People don't realize if you were to see him at person.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You gotta get upon him.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
You got to get If you were to.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
See him in person, then you'll have a better understanding
that he's not a one forty seven. Now he fights
at that, but he could have fought most of his
career a junior middleweight or maybe even middleweight at one sixty.
But I think the thing is for me, o Jo,
is that seeing Bud really only have one fight at
fifty four. So basically this is a three weeight jump.
He fought most of his career one forty seven, so

(04:26):
he's jumped fifty four, he jumped sixty got lands at
one sixty eight, where for the most part Canelo has
fought his entire career at this weight. Uh, he fought Floyda, well,
I think fought Floyd at fifty four, but he's been
a sixty sixty eight fighter for.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
The better part of his career.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And the question that everybody has, and I think it's
naturally so budd is saying, I didn't have to strip
it all the way down to the bones to make
forty seven. So I feel I feel stronger. I feel
that I'm gonna have my still have my quickness. And
everybody keep asking me how is how it's I'm home,
I gonna take a punch, They're gonna take my stuff.
I'm throw used to realize there's two people.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
In this ring.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I understand that, but also Bud has to realize. We
talk about Canelo. Conelo is fort triple G. He's fought Bevall,
He's he's fought punchers. Now. The thing that most people
are worried about is him going up to weight classes
and having to deal with the power. But with Canelo,
Cannelo sits on every punch and the timing. If if
Buck and time it, because in order for Connelo to punch,

(05:25):
he has to sit.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yes, he has to say it's not.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
One that.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Exactly, and he sits, and he telegraphs almost every punch
and he he.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
He punches with intent to hurt every time.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So if Buck can pick and choose win, engage win
the box box Smart obviously has a great, great ring IQ.
I think he's gonna be okay, He's gonna have to
outbox Canelo. Yes, no, slug fast. No no, no, ego,
I can sit here. No no, no, no, you gotta
fight smart.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's why Floyd would they Now he was younger when
he fought Floyd, but Floyd was able to time everything
that he threw came back. Yes, and Floyd already knew
where the punches were coming from. So you're trying to
sit down on punches and hit on Floyd. Floyd's like,
I got something for you. That's how Buddy's gonna have
to fight him. Buddy's gonna have to look to counter everything,
knowing that the punches are a little slower when you
sit down because they're not as fast. But like you said,

(06:13):
he got power. He got down right in his hand.
Now he's looking to turn the lights side of the building.
He wants to put on a performance because people are like, man, Canelo.
You know, Canelo just fighting these guys, and he's fighting
these guys that are past their prime, and that you
look at his resume, You're like, yeah, but look at
the guy. He's already he had lost three of his

(06:33):
last four fights. He was thirty six years of old
age when he fought Canelo. So Cannelo is probably gonna
look out here to make a statement, because if he
beats Crawford, he's gonna say what are you gonna say?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
People are good, look when you're when you're great at something,
people are gonna nitpicky. People are gonna say, well, you
fought Crawford he was thirty eight. You didn't fight Crawford
at thirty. You didn't fight Crawford at thirty two. You
didn't fight Crawford at twenty. So they're gonna find something
to knit way.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
They did the.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Same thing with Floyd.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
They say, well Floyd, look at who Floyd be, But
look at when he fought him. He fought him when
they wanted to fight, And so I think it's gonna
be the same thing with Canelo. But I'm expecting an
outstanding fight. Absolutely, you know the one thing I do know,
he's not gonna back down. No, Absolutely, he's not gonna
be so something sometimes, don't you You gotta swallow your
prize and look good. I'm trying to win the fight.

(07:22):
Are you trying to win the fight or you're trying
to prove a point? Because if you're trying to prove
a point, I don't think you're sitting in the pocket
and going toe to toe, not the way.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
That I mean the common sense, common sense understanding obviously
going up two weight classes. They have weight classes for
a reason. For those of you who watched the who
watch boxing, who understand the speet of science, you have
to outsmart him. Yes, technically, Canelo is one of the
most gifted, whether it's offensively or defensive. Defense is great,
and the defense at times is this offense and offensively
he can be a juggernaut when it sitstel On punches

(07:51):
bud ego aside. Prior to side. He has to put
on a boxing clinic similar to what Mayweather was able
to do, even though their skill sets are different. He
has he asked out boxing.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Go back and look at when Ali.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
When Ali fought Forming and the rumbling, the drunkle, he
didn't sit in the pocket. He let him tire himself
out and then boom playing. Look at Sugar Ray when
he fought Hagling at one sixty. He's like, Nah, I'm
not sitting in the pocket. Bro Hey, he flurried the
last fifteen twenty seconds. Crowd going crazy, and you're like, oh,
I think Sugar Ray won that round. Huh. Yeah, that's

(08:24):
how you're gonna have to fight you don't look proved
the point by look, I took this fight.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I moved up two weight classes.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I thought somebody that somebody at a lower weight didn't
think I could beat right, and so now here I
am doing what many thought I couldn't do. So at
the end of the day, if they raise your hand victorious,
that nobody is gonna remember how They just gonna remember
man who man Budd bet Canelo and he moved up

(08:50):
two classes to get it done. So you have to
be excited ecstatic about that. I'm excited about this.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Jim, Jim, come on, we have a Jim Gray.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Uh, Jim, my guy, goodness see you, Jill, don't have you?

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh my goodness, It's great to see you guys. Good
to see you, Jim book.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Jim, you've covered the sport of box in forty years
and by being conservative for fifty.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Nineteen seventy seven. What is that forty eight years? I loved.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
My first interview was Muhammad Ali. I was a video
tape editor.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Who was that like I've watched the clips. He was
so savvy with his wordplay. What was that like in person.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
So it opened all the doors for all of this
from me. I was a videotape editor. They were converting
from film to video tape. Now we have all this digital,
so if people don't even know what film was.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Ok.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
And I was at the ABC bureau in Denver, and
they all the guys in the union who were with
the film they took the buyout. They took the union buyout,
so they hired a bunch of young people. Yes, sir,
I was seventeen yearyears old. Wow, So I was editing.
I was in my booth at seven am, editing the
Broncos with Red.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Miller, getting ready for the draft. And Ali was coming
to town.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
He was going to fight Leon Spinks and he was
going to fight Lyle Alzado in an expedition. Okay, at
Mile High Stadium their stadium back at the time. So
they came running in seven. Ali's two out and a
half hours early. You know something about sports, go interview. Well,
I was dressed like this, no sport coda. I had
a T shirt. Ran out to Stapleton International Airport, interviewed

(10:30):
Ali gave me forty five minutes. Wow, came back. First
question I asked him. He said, you doing this interview,
you don't even shave well that the whole entourage was there,
Bundini and for everybody was there, and everybody started to laugh.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
So it it relaxed me. He started to laugh.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
After the fourth question, he gave me the nicest compliment
I ever had. He said, you sound like the local
Howard Cosel. So anyway, I took it back. Make a
long story short, I was editing myself out. They weren't
gonna put me on ABC. They were gonna put me
on right. So the head of the bureau walked in there.
His name was Roger Often, He didn't even know my name.
He said, I want to see this Ali tape. He
stayed in there for an hour and a half. An
hour and a half, he got up and he said,

(11:09):
you and his videotape are going on the air.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
It's barely adequate.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
So when I got into the Boxing Hall of Fame
several years ago, into basketball Hall of Fame, I said,
somehow barely adequate ended up here.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's dope. That's dope.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
But what happened was so Ali did the interview, and
back in those days, ABC was connected underground by the
fiber optics to all the stations. There was a man
named Frank Reynolds who was World News Tonight before Peter
Jennings and Ted Copple. David Muhr does it now, but
he sat in that chair. He saw this go across
on ABC DF d EF was daily electronic feed, so
they put it on the ABC d EF. He saw it,

(11:43):
he took it down, He put it on World News Tonight.
Ali having a good time with the seventeen year old kid.
And Ali saw it in Houston on the next stop
of his press tour, and he saw what a good time.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
So then Ali had me come and interview.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Him before and after all the rest of his fights,
and it opened all.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
The dot relationship with Mohami had opened.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
All the doors everywhere. And then he let me do
his last interview that he ever did.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
In public on ESPN.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
We took Mary Lourette, who revolutionized sports for the women,
Ray Leonard, who patterned his whole life after after Ali,
Carl Lewis, who was still the most decorated track and
field Olympian with nine gold medals, and we went the
night before Michael Phelps. We went up to Stanford. We
went the night before Michael Phelps left for the Greece

(12:29):
Olympics in two thousand and four.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
He'd never won a medal.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
We bet on him and we did an interview the
five of US America's greatest living Olympians, and at the
end of it Ali's last words, we had a torch
flown in from Athens, just like Ali lit the torch
in ninety six in Atlanta. We had the torch and
Ali got up out of his chair handed the torch
to Michael Phelps. He said, I'm the greatest year, the latest.
It's up to you go win.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
All those medals.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That was Phelps's first Olympics.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
His first Olympics was sitting in.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
He finished fifth, he didn't win any medals, and then
he went ahead and won medals.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Real finished up.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
As long as you've been doing boxing, has it ever
been a boxer that has been more media savvy, more creative,
more charismatic as Ali? Have you seen anything even close?

Speaker 7 (13:23):
He hasn't been a person on the planet, not a
person on the planet like this. This was the most
first of all. He was so accomplished, yes, and he
was excellent, Okay, So then he had that ability to
connect with everybody and it didn't matter whether it was
the chairman of the board of the janitor.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
He had time for everybody.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
I've never saw Mohammed in a hurry, and I got
to go all over with him, and he looked you
in the eye and he cared, he cared.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
He wasn't it wasn't a one way exchange.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
And he had self awareness, so he knew what he
meant when he was talking to you, and it meant
something to him. So no, you know, him, and him
and Nelson Mandela the most remarkable people I've ever met
and been around. Obviously I didn't know President Mandela, but
I got to interview him, but mamad Ali being around
him was just total joy. And Lonnie, I mean, just

(14:14):
the whole everything about him.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Jim.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
You mentioned that the accomplishments, and he was a great amateur,
and he goes to in sixty in Rome, he wins
the gold medal and then with that sixty three that
he beat Sonny, Listen.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
What year was that he beat nineteen?

Speaker 7 (14:27):
Yeah, well, when he shocked the world, and then he
had the rematch he has sixty four.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and so you you think was.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
The second one in Miami? The first, Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
When he would like he would literally tell you what
he was going to do, he would go do it.
People like how he's so it turned some people out
because we'd like I have at least humble.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He was far from that.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Far from it. Well he had.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
He had a lot of detractors. And you know his
his stance against the Vietnam War. Yes, he he was
vindicated by the Supreme Court, correct, but he wasn't vindicated
by the public until they found out all the information later.
So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
In fact, we have the Hall of Excellence in Shannon,
thank you so much for coming. Tom Brady and I
opened the museum here in the Fountain Blue Hotel, and
we have his gloves from George Schavalio and the reasons
those gloves are so important.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
He wasn't given a license to fight in America.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
He had to go to Canada to fight George Shavalio
and he called it his toughest fight ever and he
won the fight.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
But Ali stood up. He had a social conscience.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
He stood up for black America, he stood up for
all of America, and he stood up for those who
couldn't speak. And he had a voice, and he was braggadocius. Yes,
And you know now we don't even think about it.
With social media, everybody's saying everything all the time. But
his words meant something. All these other words right now,
I don't want to say they're meaningless because we can't
put people's words into that category, but they don't have

(15:56):
the same effect as it had back then.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
The funny thing back then is Ali did it and
Jim he did it at the time when it was
frowned upon where you're not supposed to have that kind
of freedom were you're not supposed to have that kind
of platform, let alone power or voice that so anytime
a LEI said something and he had such a way
with words, he had such a way with words and
being able to put things together, and it was I

(16:19):
don't even know how to put it into words because
I haven't seen anything like it. That's why I asked
you the question. He was so good at what he did,
and he was self aware. That's the only thing I
could That's the only other word I think he was
so self aware.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, you came back with the sixties. That's the
smack dad with the heart of the civil rights movie.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
But you know what else?

Speaker 7 (16:36):
And you guys noticed, Yes, what's the one thing you
can't replace in life, and that's likability. Yeah, okay, when
you were in front of him, you couldn't help.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
But like him, you may have hated everything you stood for.

Speaker 7 (16:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, but when you were with him,
you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you
were all those things, entertained, inspired everything that you want.
So you couldn't you couldn't help but have respect, right
because you had to pay attention and and when and
when you know you're likable?

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Okay, you're likable. I don't know. You can't put your
finger on why.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
If you're not your phony Okay, that doesn't mean everybody
in life who's not you know, but I mean there's
there's that factor or whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
You know you're smiling, Yes they're Shannon.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Okay, I'm not and I'm not comparing him do ally,
But I'm just saying likability.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
It is very important, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's probably the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know, when you're great, when you're more popular in
depth than you ever were in life. You look at Ali,
you look at doctor King, you look at Malcolm X.
You look at a Lincoln, You look at some of
these great figures, and you they were not at the
time they were living. They were never what they became
in death.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
It's an interesting concept, you know.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
You know Nelson Mandela got to go over and spend
time with him and interview him.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
And you know he was a boxer. Did you know that.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
I did not know it, You know, yes, And you
know why they put him in the quarry. They wanted
to ruin his vocations. They wanted to wreck his hands,
so they put him in the quarry. But he was
a big fight fan, and anyway he had to fight
over there in South after Andy, we'd got to spend
time with him. The Great Larry King introduced me to
him and took me to meet him and got to
spend and you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote
something for his speech on reconciliation, which is the most

(18:18):
simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard. He said, people will
forget what you say, and people will forget what you do,
but no one will ever forget the way you make
them feel. When you were with Ali, you felt better
about you and better about him. Think about that, ye
how many people you walked away from in life today
that when you leave him, you say by that sure
feels good.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeahah, Jim, this fight.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
You've been around some great fights, I mean Sugar Ray
and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson error when there's nothing
like a heavyweight fight. Do you notice the buzz with
Canelo Crawford is what boxing kind of needed.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
It needed it bad.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
The institution needs this the best fight in the best. Okay, yes,
they're not both at the same weight, and Bud's taking
a risk coming out, a huge risk, and you know
he's also getting well compensated, and it feels that the
risk is worth the reward, and the reward will be
great if you can pull this off.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
But it needs this.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yes, we need the best fighting the best, and we
don't have that so often. You know, promoters and all
these folks who get involved in this, you know they've
been provincial for whatever the reason, and they've stayed true
to their guys who they promote on their networks where
they have licensing deals. This has crossed all of these lines.
It's on Netflix. The whole world can tune this in. Yes,

(19:34):
the millions upon millions. Aaron it's going to be over
the Legion Stadium where the Raiders play in an NFL state,
is going to be the biggest crowd in the history
of Nevada to watch a fight.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
And look who's fought here. All these fought here. Holmes
has fought.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
Here, Hagler's fodder, Hearns, Mayweather, packiaut Tyson, the great Mike Tyson.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes,
the institution needs this.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
The institution has been suffering, and now you've got Dana
White and Turkey and they're putting together this fight. And
by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see
the best. We can't assess what the fight is afterward.
We can't say it's one of the great fights of
all time until.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
We see it exactly.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
So we don't know that.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay,
greatest fight I ever saw, Case still carrals odd people
there and they play that back now on YouTube and
all over when we were back at showtime, it's the
greatest fight ever.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Nobody thought that before.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
So we can't say what this is going to be until,
you know, until Saturday night at midnight.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So do you think the resurgence of the sport of
boxing it's happening now because of Turkey's interest in the
sport now and being able to make some of the
great fights that we myself a huge boxing fan. Do
you think him being interested in boxing is allowed now?
Boxer is wanting to take that chance, and most of

(20:57):
them not taking a chance because they don't want that zero.
Nobody wants to lose.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Its certainly helped a lot, But you know, the zero
doesn't define you. How many games did did the Philadelphia
Eagles lose last year?

Speaker 5 (21:07):
How many? I don't know what was it? Four or five?

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Yeah, I can't remember three, We can't even remember. Okay,
this isn't you know? Boxing should not have been Floyd
ruined this sport.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Sport.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
I don't mean that personal I love him personally, and
I love his accomplishments and his achievements, and he was
great to me, he was great to show time, and
I'm friends with him to this day, and I admire.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
And respect him.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
But he ruined the sport because the only thing that
mattered was the zero. Yes, okay, and so what did
that do to all of these other fight about the zero?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But we do that too, though, because if a guy
lose a fight, we throw them to the waistside in
that gym tournament.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
It shouldn't be that, I know, look at with Duran
and Hagler and Hearns and Leonard and all.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
These guys fighting each other all the time.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
We didn't.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
We didn't criticize them when they lost. The sugar Rate
lost to Duran, we didn't criticize it. When Hearns lost
to Leonard, we didn't criticize it, when Hagler lost, we
didn't criticize it. These guys if of course, But why
now we're gonna criticize them?

Speaker 5 (22:03):
If tain't, David here.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
You're doing that because I've been following.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I've been following the fire I came.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'm old enough to remember the eighties when they had
the four horsemen and they fought the best, fault the
best best. It wasn't no ducking and dodging. In the seventies,
the heavyweight Norton fault, Foreman fault.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
We didn't get mad at Fraser when Forman three times.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Right, well, no Foreman fault, I'll leave three times.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
No, no Fraser fat, I'll leave three times Farman and
Fraser fought once. Yes, but I can tell you we
didn't diminish what Joe had accomplished or what he could
do in a future. No.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But why do we do that, Jim, Jim, You've been
around this thing for forty five decades.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
I'm not sure where all that turns, and I'm not
sure why I can't pinpoint it.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Uh. And I don't really mean to blame Floyd, but
Floyd Florida's great Floyd Fauld.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Think about where the Zeros have only mattered in a career.
Think about that seven sixteen whatever, fourteen to O, then
seventeen to no. Don Shuler and the Miami Dolphins. Yes, okay,
so then they that defined their lives.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, okay, Not that he was.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
The greatest coach in the history with three hundred and
forty seven wins. It was the undefeated seasons, so maybe
it was seventy two.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
The last won nineteen seventy six when it went undefeated.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
But you know who never defined out on interrupted, you know,
never defined themselves by winning or never mentioned the word
win once, never once mentioned the word.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Win to his team. John Wooden, and he won. He
had three undefeated seasons and ten national.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
Championships and Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys,
Jamal Wilkes.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
The difference is is the error boxing that you're talking,
the air boxing that you started out you think about
the araboxing that we're in now. I think fighters are
scared to take the chances because it ruins being the
a side having a loss or one or maybe two
or maybe three. It ruins your purse, what you're able
to command. So I think it's the financial reasons on

(24:08):
why they don't want to take those chances. And I
think again we're Turkey coming into the game now, Dan
and White being a part and all the different sponsors
and advertisers, I think more boxers are going to be
willing to take chances against opponents that are just as skilled,
that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior
opponents anymore, and you're giving the people, the fans fights

(24:31):
we really want to see. I really want to see
Shakur Stevenson in Tifo Mo Lopez.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Absolutely, I really want to see that. Well, you know,
here's here's what it is. It needs a model that
can work. The other model hasn't worked.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
If the other model worked we'd still be on showtime,
HBO would still be in the game. ESPN wouldn't have
gotten out of top rank. You know, we wouldn't have
what we have. And so it needs a drastic shift
to get to a place where we can see it.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
And what happens when this doesn't work.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
We don't have people coming up in the pipeline like
because they can't get exposed. So if you don't know
any of these people fighting, why would you go buy
a ticket?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
So it needs this and and and so it's at
the right time. And you know, and and by the way,
there's been disruption and everything. Look at the disruption in
television and streaming and podcasts and radio, and I mean
just look at how everything is changed. So boxing has
to go with it, and it hasn't. And now now
the time may be right.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Speaking of great fights, speaking of boxing, there's a great
fight coming up that I want to make sure that
you're there to announce. Uh I'm I'm I'm fighting on
behalf of us. And I want to know your thoughts
on Jim, I want to fight andre Ward ten round,
ten rounds, three minute rounds. What do you think is

(25:55):
going to happen.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Wait before you say anything, to wear your helmet.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, I'm not wearing my head. But I'm gonna beat
his ass.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
What's the what's the problem.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
He has a punishable face.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
So I just want to know how you think that
fight's gonna turn out. Six months six six months of training,
We're gonna fight here.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Very famous saying yeah, I'm on your show. So I
want to be a good guest. You don't play boxing,
No you don't. You can't play boxing. You can play football,
you can play baseball. Yeah, you don't play boxing.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
No you don't.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
You don't know. I understand think this one through.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I did that.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you
rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Wow, that's a good one. That's a very good one.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Well, it's not Buster Douglas because the man's forty one
to Oh okay, So it's not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson.
So it doesn't go up into that we thought was
not Rocky Balboa. Okay, some guy we never heard of.
We we know Bud Crawford and we know he's great. Okay,
you know, perhaps it's holy Field over Tyson. Wow, Perhaps
it's holy Field over Tyson the first fight, yes, not

(27:02):
the year biting, Yes, because I don't think anybody saw
that coming. No. And and Holyfield was an accomplished fighter
who had done great you know, cruiserweight champion and so forth.
And you know, so that might be a good comparison.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Roy Ruiz Roy moving up from sixty eight to and
he ended up winning at one ninety three games twenty
five pounds. He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz.
I'm trying to think of guys that have.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Moved the Ruiz wasn't in the Canalo No, not even
would you think?

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Right? What he won? One?

Speaker 7 (27:33):
He won Ludy be right, Deontae yeah, or whoever he
had beaten? Joshua beat Joshua?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
What about speak sober Ali?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Well, that was huge, That was a big That was big.

Speaker 7 (27:43):
But again again again that was a guy who had
very little fights. Yes, and you know he was an
Olympic champion, and so there was hope for him.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
But but but Crawford is, but Crawford.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Is is he really accomplished?

Speaker 7 (27:57):
So so so he's not in a he's not a
the Leon Sphinx Canada. I mean moving up and wait it.
Look it's tough, and Canelo found that out against Bevo.
You know, Look, he thought he was going to pick
a fight that he was going to win, all right,
and the guy was bigger and stronger and he had
a better night.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
And so that's a hard.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
But I kind of like, I kind of like Holyfield
over Typhon because Holyfield was accomplished.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Handicap this what do you think You think it goes
to distance? You think somebody ends it.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Well, nobody's gone down, So I don't know what would
cause I don't see how Bud Crawford can hurt Canelo.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
I just don't see it.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
He might outbox him, and he might outpoint him, and
he might he might do all of those things. But
it's hard to see Canelo going down to Bud Crawford,
a smaller guy. Now, the interesting thing about this is
Bud's three years older, but he's only fought half as
many rounds, so he has so so Canelo has so

(28:57):
much more experience, but he's also been punished more. Yes,
he's taken and he's taken on and if you look
back over the past seven years. You know, Canelos, you
know who's he beat. But then you can look at
Button you could say who's he fought. He fought Aero
Spence after he flipped his car nineteen times and he
was damaged. And this isn't to take away because they're

(29:17):
only fighting the people who.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Are in front of front of you, right, So.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
That yeah, we love to see we rewind the hands
of time and put a prime Sugarray, a prime mar
Heard and all those de reds. But that ain't happening.
You got to fight who's in your era, and the
era of fighters that we had in the eighties in
that division, in that class is just.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Not there anymore.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
See, we let the other one bake too long. Floyd
against Pacquiao, that was the last big fight that we
had really in Las Vegas. You could say, you know,
look Wilder and Fury. I don't know how Deontay Wilder
he hit that guy. I still don't know how Fury
got up. That was Frank's but that guy got up somehow.
I mean Jack Reeves helped Jack Reese literally like on

(30:00):
the twenty three.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
You're supposed to I mean, come on, who are you?
Who am I where are we? Where is your logo?

Speaker 7 (30:08):
What car does your dad drive? I mean, what are
you asking all these questions? You walk in them back?
He didn get up a ten or you can't. Either
you can fight or you can't. So Jack Reese, I
was terrible. Jack Reese did a terrible job that night,
but accomplished official, accomplished referee.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
But that was bad.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
But but you could argue that that was you know,
there was some compelling to that. But we really haven't
had anything quite since Pacquiao and Mayweather, and unfortunately that
it just took too long and then pack you out
the bad.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Shoulder and Floyd Floyd won the fight.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Is that while we're getting all these exhibitions now because
boxing is missing and we want those guys to be
able to fight again, and so we're willing to pay,
We're willing to watch them way past their prime, a
sixty one sixty year old Mike Tyson against a forty
plus year old Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
But we get a.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Jake Paul fighting a tank Davis. Is that while we're
seeing what we're seeing now.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
Jim, you know, I'm always for you guys, I'm always
for the athlete.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
So I don't. I don't. I don't get into all
of that.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
I mean, Jake Paul has brought people to the television
set that wouldn't normally come correct. Now he's becoming a
better boxer. I guess, yes, you know, I did his
first fight when when when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID,
you know that was and Mike put on a great
performance against Roy Jones, and you know.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
That was a that was a terrific exhibition for a.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Guy I think he was fifty five at the time,
and so, uh that that was cool. And then Jake
came on the scene that night he knocked.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Out Nate Robbie Robinson.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Yeah, and uh, and you know he's tried to enhance
his growth, but he's fighting a bunch of people that
you know, you know, aren't really you know, in the
genre of you know, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC
guys and so on and so forth. And now his
next fight is against Tank. I mean there's eight seventy pounds.
I mean, yes, Georgia didn't even know if they're going

(31:56):
to license it. I don't know, you know, we don't
know what's going to happen with all of this, So
I guess it's good that he brings folks that he
wouldn't bring so they get exposed to boxing. But on
the other hand, you know, this is what this is,
what the game is. You know, the guys who've dedicated
themselves to to to the sport.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
And again I'm not.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
Against anybody doing anything for their livelihood. So if Mike
wants to fight, I hope he doesn't get hurt.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Paul. I didn't.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
I didn't know this, but Jake Paul had tremendous humanity.
He could have hurt Mike and he backed off. He
could have hurt him and he he had, and he
had the decency and humanity not to.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So you did you heard it here? First Jim said,
it's okay to beat up andre Ward.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
You need the money, you need to fight. We're gonna
be here to the sport you need. You need to
prove something to go ahead and prove it.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
But guess what. They gave you a helmet for a
reason for Jim.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Jim, thank you, broadcaster, Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Jim, thank you.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
All right, our next guests coming to the stage right
now here. He is he's all the way. He's walking
to the stage as we speak here he is. Ladies
him too, You want to fight him?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
One? As chat came a plan, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
I'm here, Bro.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
You good, Bro, Thanks you j I gotta side you
will come through.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. All right, Mike, Hey Tom, you
want to fight? All right? Let me go.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
All right, ladies, gentlemen, we have Caleb Plaig Johnny Us. Caleb.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
How you doing, man, man, dude, Well, appreciate y'all having
me on. I appreciate you coming by. Obviously, we got
Canelo Crawford. We got Crawford moving up two weight classes.
Basically he don't have one fight at fifty four, so
basically it's a three weight class jump because he's going
from basically forty seven, skip fifty four, skip sixty going
to sixty eight. What are your expectations in this fight,

(34:02):
because everybody's likeing, can Bud take a punch when he
feels Canelo's power? Will he retreat or will he try
to send something back? How do you think the thing
plays out?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well?

Speaker 8 (34:13):
I think it's gonna be a good fight. I don't
think it's gonna be a snoozer, I don't think, you know,
And if if we were to take a guess at
who would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have
to guess Terrence. Because he's in the lower weight class
and he gets hit, he's just gonna get on his bike, right,
And that's just not in Terrence's DNA. You know, if
he feels his power and thinks, man, I'm gonna have

(34:34):
to land something bigger, he's gonna land something big. One
of us has got to go. Terrence is the type
of guy who will go out on his shield, respectfully,
because that's just the type of person there's And there's
no amount, there's no stage that will you know that
he'll change course from doing that, you know what I'm saying.
So I think it's gonna be a great fight.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
We thought we're gonna get that type of fight with Charlo,
and it seems like when Charlo felt Canelo's power, all
of a sudden, he's like, uh no, no. And but
knowing Bud watching blood fight, that's not Buz's mentality.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Budd is gonna push forward.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't recommend standing in the pocket, but Bud can box,
and I think in the order for him to win
this fight. I don't believe he can beat him in
a slug fist. I believe I believe he's gonna have
to appoint him.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
What's the you.

Speaker 8 (35:20):
I think that the thing about Terrence is he can
fight left handed right handed, and just as importantly, he
can fight at long range, he can fight at mid range,
and he can fight a close range. And uh, you
know what do I know?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Right?

Speaker 8 (35:35):
But I think, uh, you know, I think it would
be wise of Terrence that he's either gonna be boxing
on the outside right or he needs to be all
the way inside. He doesn't need to be in between.
He doesn't need to be at mid range. And when
he's on inside he can some other but he doesn't
just have to do that. He can fight on the inside,
he can box on the inside, he can take angles

(35:55):
on the inside, but he needs to be close. So
he needs either be all the way or all the
way out right. And that's just my you know, two
cents on that. But at the same time, you know
the saying, there's a saying for a reason, and it's
that there are way classes for a reason, you know
what I mean? And as you spoke to Terrence only
fighting once at one pint fifty four against Madrimov what

(36:18):
you won and now moving up two more, but spending
most of his career at forty seven and forty and
thirty five. But with the greatness that he's accomplished and
how great he is and how great it's like, where
do you draw the line in the sand on the
tipping point right? And that's what I'm excited to see.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
If you could write the perfect story with it coming
to an end, and you're control of that ending where
you are right now in your boxing career and everything
that you've accomplished, what else do you have left that
you want to achieve in that story?

Speaker 8 (36:54):
I think, you know, I think children give us new perspective,
you know what I mean? And I got I'm a
I'm a daddy of three, got you know, two here
with me, And you know, I think it's important that
we show our children that even if we stumble, even

(37:16):
if we fall, that's no reason to stay down. You know,
you got to get up. You gotta just yourself back off,
and you got to keep going, regardless of what social
media or the world or your best friend is telling you.
You know, you you owe it to yourself, and so
just for me to add to my legacy of accomplishing
what I can, whether that's another world title or you know,

(37:37):
there's big fights out there for me that don't even
where a title is not even involved, you know, And
so I'd love to be a part of those big fights.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
You know.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
Put more money in my bank count on her, you
know what I'm saying. But money's not my continuing reason,
you know what I mean. It's about showing my kids
and my children what you can do if you put
your mind to it.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Do you think that addition into the service of Turkey
Ali interests in boxing has changed the landscape of it,
allowing some of the great fighters to take chances fighting
other great fighters.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:19):
I mean, if he's trying to bring it together as
a whole in one whether whether it's not other companies
that male, is that what you're speaking to.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, in a sense, it just in a sense boxing
fans like myself, it was very difficult for us to
get the fights that we wanted to see.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, But so many, so many fighters.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Were weren't willing to take chances. They don't want to.
They don't want to, they don't want to take any
I want to.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Protect the zero, yep.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
But Turkey's not gonna be able to change those fighters' minds.
It's up to the fighter right to decide that. I
may lose my own but me proving how great I
think I am is more important than that. And I
did that before Turkey got And not that Turkey is
not a great thing for boxing, But I'm just saying

(39:06):
him coming along doesn't necessarily doesn't necessarily mean that he's
gonna be able to change everybody's mind. He didn't change
Terrence Crawford's mind because Terrence has been doing that. He
didn't change Usick's mind because Usik's been wanted to do that,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And so I like that. I like what you said. Yeah, Chad,
listen to what he said. Greatness is not tied to
a zero. See, people have tied boxes. A lot of
boxers have tied greatness to undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard and
Hearns and Hagler and a Lei and Forman and Fraser.
They fought the best because I believe I'm great. Whatever happens,

(39:41):
I believe I'm.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Great, And if you think you can beat me, then
let's get out there and roll the dice and say
that's proven. And you know, not all there's fights before
let's say, before Turkey came along. There's fights that haven't
gotten made. Some of those may be because of powers
that be, but and assure you that a lot of
it is because there's certain fighters that don't want to

(40:03):
get in there and be proven wrong, right, and they're
only going to fight fighters who they know they can
prove themselves right against. Yes, but that's not that's not greatness, right,
that's the witness protection program.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Think about it. It's like, you know what, I can
fight somebody that really challenged me, and that chance I
could lose, and I could lose. I can make twin
and billion. Oh, I can fight this guy. I know
I can beat you. Make twelve give it that twelve. Yeah,
give it a twelve.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yea.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand
as a fighter, my personal brand. I'll continue you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
By the time I do lose, I've made three hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm cool. I'll just walk away.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't
want to take a chance of having a zero you
think affects them being the a side, affects their purse,
affects the kind of money they're able to command when
it comes to you know, big name fights.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Yeah, there's fighters out there I like, for instance, you
know I lost my last fight. I'm still one of
the most popular fighters. Yeah, boxing, right.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
But you're a draw.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You're different.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
But I'm a daw. I'm not saying my team is
doing this to me. By no means am I saying that.
I'm saying there's other people out there who work in
boxing who will tele fighter. We'll try to convince him otherwise. Oh,
you lost, so you're not a big draw, so now
we're gonna pay you this instead of that when you
when you do put asses in seats. And again I'm
not talking about me personally, but there's people out there

(41:23):
who try to convince fighters otherwise. So that's one reason
they try to play it safe.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Okay, is there a fight out there that you won't.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
I ain't a fight, man, it is, is it?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Why not getting people what they won't as a chat?
That's what they want to see Caleb playing versus oo,
that's what they want. Yeah, you don't think so, I.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Ain't heard it. I ain't heard it.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
But you he lived before it. I mean, hey, we
could beg.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
A half of he said, I trained, I trained. You
know I'm saying, I try.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Ran his ass off the gym on day one, out
the gym on day one.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, listen, I'm just you got and you got to
go and camp in different camps.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
So I can.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I can. I can.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
But that's something that I respect about Oho is, you know,
like he's accomplished everything and done everything that he has
in his respective field, and then for him to come
over to such a dangerous and really care about the
fighters that really come be a part of our camps
and not just talk about it, but get out there.
And I've seen them do roadwork with fighters, the same

(42:34):
sparal fighters. I've seen them, you know, hit the bag
and a lot of us were in positions where that's
like the only way we could even stay alive, right,
But it's the same for him, you know what I'm
trying to say, It's like I can appreciate someone who
can come from a different field and not have.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
To be a part of Hawks and do that. But
he got there doing.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
It, and he's in the trenches he's been in the
trenches with us taking this serious. But he still says
no chance, zero, I'm finna fight and Wards yeah, yeah, No,
he's gonna say you're not on my side. I didn't
say that. I'm keep my comment. What was you about
to say?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
This?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Canelo Crawford, This is, you know, a fight that people
really want to see, and we haven't had a whole
lot of those. Kaler, Is that why you think we're
seeing a lot more of the exhibitions? I asked Jim
Grade this earlier. We're starting to see a lot more
exhibition than guys making ten, fifteen, twenty million dollars doing exhibition.
So you have to go in there the exhibition. Would
you get in there with Jake Paul You know what

(43:37):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
That wouldn't be fair. But you killed Jake Paul Man.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
No, I do want to say something about Jake though
he's saying it's similar somewhat to me talking about Ojo.
You know, everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the
money he's made, and then for him to step into
a sportlight boxing and put that work in with people
like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys,

(44:03):
he doesn't have to do that. And I thought, man,
he lost to Tommy Ferry, like we about to find
out if he really wants to do this or not,
or if he was just trodden the wave. And sure enough,
he stuck around. And you know, he doesn't have an
amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys
to gain that experience as he steps up. But you know,
you do have to hit your hot to a guy
like that, right, But.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
If your fight.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So, this is the biggest fight we've had in a while,
and we don't get big fights like we used to.
We used to get big fights damn near every other
month at least two to three times a year.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
This might be.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
This might this is the biggest fight that we've had
in twenty five So who would.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
You like to fight that?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You know, we was like, okay, man, we're gonna come out. Man,
we need to see this. We need to see this
Caleb Planing fight. We need to see We just what
we need. This is what we need to tune in for.

Speaker 8 (44:48):
Yeah, I think me and Berlinga. Yeah, you know, that's
the fight that I've been calling for. You know, I
think me and Charlo. You know, that's another fight that
people have been calling for it. So yeah, I like
that Jamal, Yeah, one sixty and now he's moving up
to sixty eight and belt or no belt. You know
that's a big fight because it's the fighters who make
the fights.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Big, correct.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
But a lot of times people think, well, if I
fight for the belt, why the hell am I fighting?

Speaker 8 (45:14):
But everybody great, But you're fighting for legacy. And you know,
my dad used to say, people like legacy or money,
the legacy fights all the big money fights. Is this
a legacy fight? How much money you think is attached
to this fight? All my biggest fights, all my legacy
fights have been my biggest money fights. You can get both,

(45:35):
but they try to frame it like legacy or money, Right,
you can get both in the same night.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I mean if you go back and if you look
at all the historically, what we think are great fighters,
from Sugar Ray Robinson to Muhammad Ali to Sugar Ray,
Leonard Armstrong with whoever they lost.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
Bernard Durant got about what sixteen losses?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
He does he can uh, he went up. Duran went
like eighty five and oh and then.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
He started he started to lose it.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
But when you look at it, though, Caleb, when you
look at these guys, is that the old has become
so prevalent and Floyd and so not everybody thinks they're
gonna be Floyd Mayweather. Even if you retire undefeated, people
are not going.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
To look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
And not to mention you messing up right off the
rip if you're trying to be somebody else, because guarantee,
you know, you guys probably had influences and people guys
you looked up to in the NFL, but you weren't
trying to be you're trying to be You're trying to
be o Jo Sinko. Yes, And if you, you know,
spent your whole career trying to be this guy, trying
to be that guy, we wouldn't even be talking right now, correct, right, yeah, right,

(46:43):
you'd be making me a hamburger right now, Ain't that right?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
So you won't you won't playing. We can put this together.
I can have my people call this people. We could
put we could put a five round.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's disrespectful, cheers now he can't even count to five.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Ten you want tend Okay, we do ten two minute.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Rounds no, ten, that's disrespectful to the sport.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Look what did woman a round?

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Three minute rest for you?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
I don't need no rest.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I ain't stopped training since we training in Vegas. I'll
still be going. Yeah, I'm on year.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So what we so what?

Speaker 5 (47:17):
So?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
What way we're gonna fight that?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I want you waiting. We cant catchweight? What you weigh
right now? Like two thirty?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I am you got a string hanging from his shirt.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Arm ain't from his shirt.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
We do sixty, we do six, we do sixty eight,
sixty eight. He can't get died. I mean he won
eighty five. He might can only he might can only
do seven five? Can you come to what can you
do it? Can you meet him in the middle way?

Speaker 8 (47:52):
He can make a six eight with a knocking like that.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, he ain't make it do sixty, wouldn't make that
seventy five he might do. He ate hero about eighty
eight now, so he might can come to seventy five.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
He ain't get He ain't going.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
To two thirty or two of five.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I'm a focus on andre Ward, focused on war.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
You won't even make it to me, brother.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
So if you have to handicap this fight, it goes
to distance, somebody ending it. We I mean, so we
go into the scorecards. How does this thing play out?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Man, he got out boxing.

Speaker 8 (48:30):
He's gonna have to be all the way in, be
all the way out, be smart, uh not not exchanging
the mid range too much. And it's hard to say,
you know, for me, like I always give the boring
anster or we're just gonna have to see. But when
you have two great fighters in there, you can guess
what you think might happen. But that's really all it

(48:52):
is at the end of the day. You know what
I'm saying. It's Terrence had to fight like that before
with somebody. No one could guess that things were going
to go down like that, right you med him and Spence,
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you can guess, but
you know, broken clocks right twice a day, right, So
I think it's best that we just let the fighters
get in there and show us what, you know, what

(49:12):
it is.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
And like the question that everybody asks, can he take
his power? Once he feels his power, will he retreat?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Canelo?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I mean, when the last time Canelo stopped somebody and
people aren't like we can Cannelo stop somebody. But normally
Canelo is fighting people at sixty eight, he's fighting people,
you know, sixty eight or above when he fought Bobol.
But now he's fighting a much smaller man, and he
feels that he can sit down even more on those punches,
and does he try like I can really really make

(49:44):
a name for myself if I get budded up out
of here.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Yeah, and there's a chance of that happening. And I
think that's why I say about everyone's in trigue now
isn't gonna happen?

Speaker 5 (49:55):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Now.

Speaker 8 (49:56):
Another thing is, you know, Cano's got a great chance.
He's been hurt by Miguel KLA's brother like fifteen years ago,
but he hasn't been rocked much since then. I've got
to say the Canelo can't clip. I mean, you can't
clip Canelo. He can. But we also have to remember,
even though Canelo is a harder puncher, it's not in boxing,
it's not about who's the harder puncher. It's about who

(50:17):
lands the harder punch.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Right and timing. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
He has some battles with the lufkinluckily hit him with
some how he didn't go down from some of those
shots that Triple g Any with.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I still don't know.

Speaker 8 (50:32):
And you know, even like Brolin is saying he hits
harder than Canelo, but when they fought, he didn't land
the harder punch, right, you know what I mean? And
landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm IQ right,
you know, traps set up.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
So just because you hit somebody into something moving in
the direction and you catch him clean, it's a shot that.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
Anthony Dareil hits harder than me, right right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
So.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I ain't a player, ladies and gentlemen. He'd said, hey,
you're gonna have to watch this fight to find out
who wins. But he'd say he can take O Joe
easy commedias. Two many rounds, ten too many rounds, five
too many rounds.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Were good to see you back, yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (51:18):
All right, yes, two thirty my eyes at home.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
You donna feel it, no.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Right, but you get round.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
What's you about seventy five?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
When he closing on one ninety.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
He wasn't ninety five, And I'm two o five, come
on less you like you ready?

Speaker 5 (51:43):
You ready?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Holy, I'm ashamed like you're ready to be like you forty.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Kay, pick up the market in the mornings. I could go.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
No, we got a run club in La I do, okay,
next weekend. We got one at the end of October
here in Las Vegas, in a couple of days before
complex come. How many miles it's five k three point one.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
That's good at our own place.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
It's for the community.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Brother. I like that.

Speaker 8 (52:10):
Yeah, I'll come, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I come. Oh, I'm so glad you're here. You have
a revenge revenge toward leather jacket the best.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
Yeah, you like that?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Huh? I text you I want to wear into the fight.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Revenge store, baby, plug it in.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
What is revenge store. I'm gonna get you, right, I'm serious.
I want to wear it to the fight. If I can,
I'll buy.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
I'll pay for it, okay, all right. Actually I only
got one. The rest of them are are not in
the city.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Okay, all right, I'll wait till Saturday.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
They don't get here in time, but I'll have you
one before the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
All right, I got you.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yeah, o me. Appreciate you, Broy.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I'm paying. I'm paying, okay, thank you, appreciate appreciate it for.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
What tar bab.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
That was kayleb playing later and gentlemen, oh yo, I
don't think you're gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Tarboro you see him?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Oh yeah, he had that table over there to dregue.
Kayla Plann says, Look, he needs to be all the
way out or all the way in.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Nothing, mid range, nothing that he can find himself on
the end of a punch that Canelo is set down on. Yes,
so there's something to be said. Canelo is the bigger man.
He's used to fighting at this weight. I think the
thing is that fighting twelve three minute rounds at that weight,

(53:35):
walking around at one sixty eighty one thing being in
a fight where you have to mentally focus in which
burns a lot of energy. You've got to move, which
burns energy. You've got to throw punches, which burns energy. Yeah,
those are some of the questions that we're not going
to be able to find out. Yeah, yeah, until it happens,

(53:57):
like like he was saying, you know, we can speculate, well,
I think this or I think that, but at the
end of the day, we're not going to know until
team round one, round two. Well, hopefully it goes far
enough so we can see how this thing plays out.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
And the funny thing too about the fight is Canelo.
I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford. Crawford has watched
film on Cannelo. And you can watch as much as
you want and you get in there to be completely
different round by round.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Well, nothing is ever the same.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I think the biggest thing is what Bud told us.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
He says, I don't I watched take, but I do
realize this. That guy's not gonna fight me like he
thought for him because those guys he were fighting isn't me.
Canelo knows Bud is not gonna fight him like he
thought those other guys because those guys aren't him.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
He's never fought somebody that out that.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Okay, when they go into the ring on Saturday night,
Canelo might be one nightey, Yeah, walks around at one.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
That's possible. That's possible. But a fighter style doesn't change.
You know, you have a different opponent in front of you.
Tennessee's movement, Yes, all that stuff still stayed the same.
Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculous he changed
opponent to opponent.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
No, that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
But how I'm gonna fights and you do know styles
make fights. Yes, I mean you you look you fighting
the guy that's big. Now, all of a sudden, you're
going up against a dB and he don't got feet.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Well, you know you're gonna roll him up all day long.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
You understand you got a little dB out there that's
one hundred and seventy pounds. Like, man, I feel the due.
I would do whatever I want to do with you.
I might get physical with you, I might do whatever
because I can't.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
I can't. You can't do anything up about it.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yes, but a guy that's big and rangey and physical,
you're doing everything you can not to let him put
his hands on you, because that's the one thing that
vantaged that.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
He has if he touches you.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Now, you're not like Julio Julio Brandon Marshall, KYO. They
wanted the guy because they wanted to They wanted to
do this.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah. Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I'm trying to I'm dancing.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
You're not putting your hands on there. But it's gonna
be a very intriguing fight. It's gonna be a very
very interesting fight, and I'm anxious to see how this
thing plays out. The one thing I do know Buddy's
gonna be budd.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's in shape. Bud is Bud Bud.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
And I'm asked to see He's like, Look, I've been
fighting all my life. I've been hit before. And that's
the whole point of it. The likelihood if you going
into a fight and not get hit. Only Roy Jones
has only been in a fight one time. That's on
copy Box era. That's ever had a fight and didn't
get hit. Yeah, but the likelihood of you're getting involved
in a fight, And that's the thing that makes fighting
so interesting because anything can happen. Anything you get clipped,

(56:43):
it changes, it changes the whole trajectory of that fight.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Everybody has a puncher's chance.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yes, yes, and everybody everybody has an idea or plan
of how things are going to play out.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
But this is gonna blat like this.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
But then what happens if early on it's not going
your way way? Can you still relax and adjusts? So
that's what's gonna be interested. It's gonna be interested to see. Uh,
we're waiting on Tarboro. He's he's finishing up over there.
He's gonna join us here shortly. Uh, it's gonna be
it because here's a guy that that faught it. Tarboro

(57:20):
fought at six. I think Tarboro broke in his sixty
eight ended up going to light. Wasn't the light heavy.
So it's gonna be very interesting to see how this
thing plays, how it shapes up.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
But the buzz, you're starting to feel.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
The electricity of of of of a fight of this magnitude.
You know, I don't know if you came to the
Spence Crawford fighting, you come to I didn't.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I came to the Spence Crawford.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I saw that it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, yeah, but people had wanted that.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
People people had wanted to see, uh because you know, hey,
forty seven Spence, what's what's great at.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Forty seven Bud?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
So we got two great fighters going locking horn. That's
what we that's what we want to see. I love
what Kayler Plant said is that sometimes greatness is not
about a zero.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
It's about putting.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
It's about legacy, it's about fighting the best to prove
because you don't know, you won't.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Know until you get in there, until you get in.
But again, his mentality is a little different. He's taking
those chances. He stepped in with a ben bedas he
stepped in with a Canelo. Yes, other fighters at one
sixty eight, one fifty four or whatever it may be.
They don't want to fight great on Great, They just don't.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
But and then they look at it, man, look at
I ain't lost, bro, But you ain't really follow nobody.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, I mean we don't. We don't.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
We don't hold it against Ali, we don't hold it
against Formula, we don't hold it against Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns,
Marvin Hagler, Robert of the Ran. We don't sweep peep
with a curty. We don't hold that against You have
to understand their error of boxing is different. That's like
we talk about football. All is different Back in the
days when those guys you just get to a fight.
The mindset is different.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
This era completely different area. Boxing.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Money with that level of money is to become involved.
That's why you don't see guys playing the preseason. That's
why they change the training camp rule show money. So
much money has become involved. Now you're like, I'm not
taking any unnecessary risk with my players. And so it's
going to be very interesting to see hold on. Oh

(59:28):
he was taking the put it's uh, oh he get
ready to go to five twenty. But I'm I'm I'm
I'm geeked. I'm geeked. I'm plumped for this fight. I
wish more guys. I would like to see Shakur until
Femal Lopez listen. I would like to see Shakur and
Tank Okay, Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
What I don't want to do though, as much as
I want to see the great fights, I don't want
the great fights to happen too soon because if the
great fights happen too soon, then it's nothing to look
forward to. I want to see drawn in It, Drawn
Boots and It and Virtual Lortise. At some point, I
think a fight in that magnitude is going to happen.
That's box office stuff, and they have no problem with
fighters continue to build their resume, so people want to

(01:00:10):
see those big fights.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
These guys in they prime what we're waiting for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I mean, if tankings your cur fight right now, then
what's next after the fight's over?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Hey? Hey, who else is in that division?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I mean that that's that that's gonna have that kind
of draw, like that's the cream of the crop when
it comes to draw.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Think about when you think about when Sugar Ray fought
with Tommy Hearns in eighty one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
It's eighty one. We had twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I'm saying they fought early, and they fought, and they
kept fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
They folled come the right Marvin Hadler, so one, two and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Three, yes, okay, okay, But also you have to understand
the timing and when they fight to where you can
maximize your purse too. Yes, So it's a chess it's
a chess match.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I think that's what that's what that's what guys are doing.
They're maximizing the places. Yes, uh uh. The taking they're not.
Guys are unwilling to take a risk. Yeah, yeah, they're
unwilling to take a risk. And if you're not willing
to take a risk, it's it's I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Know why you. I don't know why you got in
the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Then, because I need that zero. I need to feed
my family. I need to feed my family. I need
to take care of myself. I'm gonna take care of
my wife, my kids. I can't have a zero because
if I have a zero, I mean, if I have
an l one loss of two losses, then I can't
command the kind of money I want to I won't

(01:01:37):
be the A side. I won't be able to pick
and choose who I want to fight when I want
to fight. All that changes once you lose. Unless you
are a draw, there are certain people win or lost
your draw. Yes, so people just want to see you fight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
That's like Tyson.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, even after he got beat by Buff Douglas, people
still was playing. He was still getting Yes, yeah when
he lost, when he lost the Holy Field the first time,
guess what, Even after he lost the Holy Field and
he got suspended, they still paid big time money to
see him by Land Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah. Absolutely. You know where else is the draw like that?
Adrian Brono.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
When Brono was losing, Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Was still a drawer. He goes, he put eight. He
gonna put butts in the seat whether you like him
or not. Chat chat whether you like him or not.
Adrian Browner will put butts in the seats. Yeah, it's
exciting for one. He gonna leads you with the talk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, you never know what's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Gonna happen because it's unpredictable. Yes, so I mean it
is what it is. I hope my young girl gets
itself together man and get back in the rings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Oh well, that's where they got emped over there. I
thought that was I thought that was a somebody's getting
ample to throwing some bows. But uh so today is
what today?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Thursday? Yeah, so we too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
You know, forty eight fifty it's been sixty hours, sixty
hours from the fight. So it's it's interesting. Basically, it's
like the Super Bowl. It's like all the work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
All the training camp, all that's all that's done.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Now now look, hey, get off your feed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Like you know, you're relaxing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You're like you're monitoring your wait, you're monitoring your calms
that you're putting in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
The way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
And it's gonna be what the way is gonna be Friday?

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
You're going to the weigh in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Uh the way it's gonna be here, aren't there? Is
it here? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I don't think it's gonna be an allegiance. It might
be an allegiance.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Because it's too many. It's too many people come to
the way and for it to be at Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
True, it'll probably be an allegiance. It'll probably be an
allegiant stadium it's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I know that that's probably such a tedious process too.
Once you come out of camp like a week maybe
a week before the fight, and you're toning every ding
down and your relaxing. Yes, that got to be tedious.
You gotta watch what you eat.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
You know you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
You know you're drinking how much water?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
You're interesting because they probably load up probably like and
then all of a sudden, it just they gradually take
it down. Yeah, and that's why you know they're not
doing a whole lot of talking. Yeah, they're just now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You're just it's that mental focus of getting ready.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
You know, you're trying to play this thing out in
your head of what's going to actually happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
You know the traffic, it's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Spring here, I know where, I know where he's trying
to lead me. And that's the thing I mean, because
you constantly you can't have one slip up, one slip up,
and it turns the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Life up the build. You got to you got to
be on your.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
P's and q's for basically, you got to be shocked
the whole and the thing you're thinking one thing and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He might be trying to walk you into the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
And you know what the funny thing is too, what
I love about boxing if you pay attention and you
understand what fighters are doing when you're watching is you
can set a trap in the first round and really
won't try to execute it to round four. Yep, I mean,
I love I love it. Canelo has some tricks that
he that he's a savvy veteran. He has some tricks
that he does. I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall fall for it.

(01:05:17):
Always stay up in the high guard because the first
thing people do is when some of the stuff that
Canelo does, he had thought that he had thrown it
out there m hm soon because the first thing you
do is you flinched the oppositway in which that goes.
Little stuff like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
That, That's the thing they're gonna be trying to faint. Yeah,
Budd is an outstanding boxer. Yeah, Bud has power. And
when Bud gets you in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Yeah, oh eat old.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
He see blood in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And we saw that. We saw that with Spence. Bud.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Spence is a is a smaller man. Can he get
Canelo in trouble? And if he gets Canelo in trouble,
can't he pull the plug and turned the power out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
A trip. I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters
triple G, triple G, triple G hit him with some shots.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I still don't know. It was like rock up soccer
robot man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I thought, even yeah, pop his head.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I was like hold on, but all hit him
with some shots when he went up to one seventy
five and he didn't go down. It didn't go down.
And he's a much more powerful man, a much bigger man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
But here's the thing. They can't put power. They can't
put shots together.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Like no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
So that's the thing. In the process of hitting him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Now, maybe then he doesn't pack, Maybe Budd doesn't pack
the punch right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
But instead of one shot, what if he lands three or.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Four cars But then also you think about someone laying
three or four shots on Carnelo, whose defense is elite,
whose head move is elite, even though he's not swift
with his footwork, but he's great defensively, very great.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
So it's it's gonna be interested.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I mean, you hadn't seen a whole lot of people
putting three four shots together on Panelo. Yeah, because if
you go back and look at Floyd when Floyd was
catching in Floyda with one two one, Floyd is like
one two hours, because the thing is, you know, if
you if you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Hang too long, you're gonna get bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Yeah, so hey, let me throw this one two move
out of harm's way. Yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm excited.
I think everybody's excited to see this. There's been a
while since we've had something of this magnitude.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And then guess what, and we're back to Night.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Oh, Joe, we we you know, we got Night Captain Knight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
We got yeah, we got command Commanders Packers. That's gonna
be a really good game. That's gonna be really a
really good, really good game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Do we have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Any but if you and plus o.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Joe the question that I have. Bud really hadn't fought.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
But like Bud flought, he fought Spence in July of
twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, he fought this other fighter. So he's only fought
twice in two years. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
But I think for someone like Bud, a fight a
year is good, A fighter year is good, I would
I would think, depending on us, unless you're trying to stay,
unless you're trying to do tune ups, continuously tune ups
until you get a big fight, right, not that much damage?

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
No, not butd not at this point. Now, Bud is
beyond tune ups. Yeah, but Bud the when Bud fight,
it has to be it has to mean something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
It needs to be a huge payday. There needs to
be a title attached to it. And he's looking at it.
I'm looking at guys. He's looking at guys forty seven. Yeah,
who am I gonna fight in forty seven? I'm not
going down to forty because you know, tank and Chakour
and boots and roads come on, man, Yeah, and they're
not coming up going forty seven to see me. And

(01:09:04):
I don't even know if Bud wants to be at
one forty seven. He might want to step the fifty four,
but ain't no money.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Who was at fifty four? Good money? We're fifty four?

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Well, ain't no money. There's some fighters that one be before,
but that's the purse. But here's the thing. Who is
he gonna fight? Because he just ain't gonna just fight
some what's up baby, Antonio Tarborough, I'm gonna beat him.
I'm gonnat I'm gonna beat his ass too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I'm looking at for e tradition.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I think we're good, Yo, You're good oh Joe, right now, yeah, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Right now, ten Tony rounds three minutes three three yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,
no no, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
He done showed me too much.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
I used to train talk training.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I trained with everybody good to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
He agregiate you. That's how now that I know, I'm
more with you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Okay, you see right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Yo, man, I appreciate you all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
You appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
What's up, aby, man, I'm just doing them back. You
feel me on that desk. I'm excited, bro. Two of
the best fighters in the game today, but none Yes,
undispelled it pound for pound, this is it. Yes, you
feel me, man, I'm expecting to unexpected. Really, I'm expecting
to unexpected. I'm expecting to unexpected.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Talk talk me through how you expect unexpected? Because we
know what Canelo can do. Buddy's coming up to weight classes.
They have weight classes for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I understand the game based on what you told me,
the work you put in the past few years, so
I got a better understanding of it. Why they're weight classes?
Why do you expect unexpected.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Skills, technique all that? I think it trumps the weight
I have a question. I think it trumps the weight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
We've seen Canelo get out class in a boxing clinic
offensively and defensively when he fort Floyd Mayweather. Yes, yes,
that's a different kind of skill. I haven't seen any
skill like that. The closest thing I've seen to that,
no disrespect to Bud, is the course Stevenson. Right, Okay,
do you think Bud has a type of skill set

(01:11:12):
to be able to get in there with someone at
one sixty eight and be able to pull off something
similar to what Mayweather did to Canelo, even though their
style of fighting it's different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Yeah, he's the two fisted monster.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
That's the thing. You don't know if he's south of orthodox.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
He hit, he knocking you out with right Yes, he's
a natural foul paw, but he got power.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
In the hands. And that's so unique.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I was a hell of a south Park yes, but
everybody knew it was in my left hand. Can you
imagine if I had him worrying about the right too.
So I think that is something that Canelo hasn't experienced before.
You know, and and and Terrence can punch. Now, he
he's not he don't weigh as much as Canelo, but

(01:12:00):
the way he looked, could he possibly be stronger than
Canelo because we know he cocked strongly anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Yeah, anyway he wrestling with you, he didn't feel me.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
So once you feel that innated strength, bro, you know
it's something different. It's something different.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
But then also you think about what Canelo has been through.
You think of some of the wars Candelo has been
through his.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Full career since fourteen fifteen years old professional.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Right, But then you think about the principower that Bud
might possess. Can't even hurt Canelo based on what we've
seen when he fought Triple G, based on what we've
seen when he put Babal, who pieced him up over
and over and over. Even with his his slickness that
he wants with the deep, he was still getting hit
hidden flush. And we've never seen Canelo get defeated like that.
It seemed like he was out matched trying to go

(01:12:43):
up a class. So do you really think Bud has
the power to really affect some of that size who's
been through some wars already, were Triple G and Baval.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
If he can't hurt Canelo, it's gonna be hard to
beat him, it's gonna be hard to beat him if
he can't, if he can't get his respect. Okay, you
gotta get this man respecting the first three rounds like
it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Be nightmares anyway coming forward.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
You gotta give him something to think about, Shannon, because
if you don't, you ain't gonna be able to stop him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
You feel me?

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Now, If Canelo is having success to the body early,
that spells trouble for Crawford because that body don't work.
You hit him early in the first round, you're gonna
start feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
That round three and four.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
You heard.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
But when you start feeling it, bro, you can be
in the best shape. But them body shots are take
your conditioning away from you. But see now, you gotta
be disciplined to do that. And I think if Canelo
is having success to the body, that favous Canelo. If
Crawford is making him miss and making him pay that famous.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Crawford right now, now we got to see what hot
is gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Play, Yes, sir, But that being said, basically, the formula
the Bud winning this fight is basically.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Just out boxing Pillow, Matter doing the bull, then go
Matter doing the bull all day?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Heard me? Yea, Cale says, Look, he can fight two styles.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
He can be all the way in or he can
be all the way out away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
From the mid range.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Because the mid range you don't want to be on
the end of one of those punches where he sat down.
Canelo sits down on his punches because he's trying to
get you up out of there. Bud, I don't know
if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like
Bud can that's why than Mayweather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Right, that's been that's been a while. But Bud can
put punches together, and Bud got power.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
He got power.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
We don't know if he has power to knock somebody
that's one sixty eight that's not your one sixty eight.
I believe what Canello probably walks around at one ninety
five two hundred. He strips it down to one sixty eight,
but he's a walk around man at one ninety five
two hundred. Wow, here's another thing. Budd is a big
Bud stripped down to one forty seven bullet back then,

(01:14:50):
we could call him a weight bullet now because we
know he was killing himself to make wait, yes, look
at his legs now, yeah, you feel me? I think
he might be in this more comfortable weight. Why you too,
what I told people when I see Floyd, They said,
man Floyd, I said, Florida is a naturally small man.
Floyd losing five pounds to make he begin with, didn't

(01:15:12):
make waited two days because Floyd trained your round and
he's not a naturally big man, so he didn't allow
himself to pluck you away to go from one forty
seven and then two days later. He once said the
five Floyd was a naturally small man, so he never
had to kill himself to make weight. Now I agree
with you. I don't believe Bud is having to kill

(01:15:32):
himself to make eight. He's coming down from one ninety
to go to one sixty eight. It's a whole different
thing from one ninety to one forty. Yeah, yeah, Caleb, Caleb,
Like I said, Caleb said, stay on the ouse, stay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Either all the way in the pocket, smether the punch. Yes,
nothing range.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
If you if you were in Crawford corner after the
first round, you see how this thing, because it's gonna
be interest because they can have an idea of how
it's gonna play out, but you won't know obviously, you
want to feel each other out. But after that first
round you have a pretty good indication of how this
thing's gonna go right. What what would you tell if
you could tell, if you and Bud corner, what would
you tell him?

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
It's important that we're gonna have to make Canelo miss.
I'm coming on my defense. I ain't running, but I'm
using my defense making him miss and making him pay
if I can. But it's important that he don't get greeted. Yes,
get yours and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Get on out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
You can't stay too long because this boy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Got popped off the rope.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
They gotta stay off the rope. Then see him on
the ropes at all. Now, Canelo do a lot of
good work in the center of the ring. Everybody think
he's just some pressure fighting me, But look at how
he set that upper cup up against mong give and
then he knocked Berlanga down with that left hook. Get
you quick, bro, and so you can't let him line
you up with one shot. That's one thing Crawford ain't

(01:17:02):
gonna be able to do. He gotta see everything coming
and anticipate everything. Don't get set with one of them
traps that much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
He's sitting down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
And the thing is that when you watch I've watched
great defensive fighters, and Crawford got good defensive I'm not
saying these sweet people with not saying the Floyd Maywhite,
but guys would throw a punch and Florida is already
moving and he's already doing this because you know he
gonna he's coming back with it, coming back out here
on the back. That's what Buzz's gonna have to do.

(01:17:33):
But Canelo don't really piece together. He's not three four
five punch guy. He's sitting down on what he's trying.

Speaker 9 (01:17:40):
To It's a hard one or two trying. He's trying
to break everything everything. The question is is that tar
walking around at a way that's one thing. Being mentally
shocked takes conditioning. Moving takes condition Throwing punches take conditioning.

(01:18:03):
The question is is budd gonna be able to sustain
that for twelve rounds if necessary?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
He can if he's not getting touched to the body early,
you feel me, you're gonna have to protect itself from
the body shots, bro, because that's gonna take your conditioning, ma'am.
If you can't move, it's problems.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, it's problems.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
So if you see Canelo going successfully to the body early,
that spells trouble for Crawford.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
So you said he can't be on the rope, he
can't be in the center of rings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
So he basically, I mean his advantage is in the
center of the ring.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
He gotta give him angles. But yes, but yeah, don't run,
but give him angles, make him miss and make him
turn into you. That's what that's the matter during the book, turn.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Into something there go because we thought this man, we
thought this with Charlo, and then Charlo felt that power.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Yeah, and that's still gotta happen. He's still gonna have
to feel that power. Yeah, and accept the fact, Hey,
I'm gonna have to go through this. Yes, but if
that changed your game plan advantage Canelo.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
But when you were the little kid, your mom your
grandma told.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
You that was hot, you didn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
You Okay, I learned now you said he filled that
power one time. He still got to believed that ain't hot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
That's just my thig with of my imagination because if
Canelo makes him make and Buzz's not wired like that, but.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
He'll I tell you, he ain't gonna show nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
That Bud he'll have to knock Bud out because Bud will.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Some guys you can make that quick, and some guys
you gotta knock out Budd. One of them guys you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Gotta knock out and then want to turn it down
required like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
The funny thing about it, when I think about the
fight as well, Bud has to stay active. There are
rounds that Canelo takes off, like half seven. He takes
off relaxing. Those rounds need to be active and understanding.
He does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting.
And then you have to be willing to take a
punch to get one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
You got to you got gambling.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
You gotta pick a change. You gotta picking pick and
choose win.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Am I trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Take though, that's the chance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Tak I ain't taking nothing that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
HANDI you think Crawford got a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
I think he got a big chance to win a decision. Now,
if he can hurt Canelo, that's that puts the knockout
in the fact. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
I want to get you out of here on this one.
When are we gonna start seeing these these these fights again?
Because Roy didn't have to give you another back. Then
the O was unimportant. It seems to be now the
O is of the utmost importance. I don't want to
fight somebody because if I fight somebody with O and
he I gotta O and he got a old, that
means somebody gonna leave the ring where they're not gonna

(01:20:53):
have their OH. And people are trying greatness, too much
greatness to OH. Everybody think they're gonna be Floyd, but
I want to share these boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Even if you retire undefeated, you're not gonna be Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
I agree with that. I think it's just I never
Bro was trying to protect nothing. I was trying to
get it improved. That guy I'm him, and the only
way you can do that is fight those guys ranked
above you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
You feel me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
And if those guys ain't ranked above you, then what
we're doing. I'm trying to move up up, and the
only way I can move up is fight somebody that's
ranked above me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:29):
We don't got enough of that, though not tall.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
I know, man, something happened in the game where I
don't know. Bro. It's like it's you say risk over reward,
but nobody taking no risks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Bro, You know what I like. I like the fact
that Turkey is now in boxing, and because he's bringing
such a bigger reward, people are willing to take chance.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yes, sir, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
If I got an opportunity to fight somebody I know
I can beat, and I can make fifteen, or I
can fight somebody that the fifty to fifty chance to
make thirty, I wanna make that fifteen because now you
look at me. It used to losses didn't matter in
box with Sugar Ray, loss, with birds lost, with the loss,
with lost form, with sweet beat, it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Now all of a sudden, if you lose, he ain't
no good.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
That's a lie.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
I think. I think Mayweather put that that. Uh he
raised the ceiling on that, and I think that's what
everybody will be Mayweather, I know, Bro, And and like
even Mayweather undefeated though he's never been undisputed, you feel me.
And if this man can win undisputed for the third time, Bro,
I'm giving him the goat. Go to the goat, Bro,

(01:22:42):
and he beat so Canelo Ala, Bro, gotta take your
head off to him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Man. Legacy, ladies and gentlemen, man, I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
God, thank you having you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Whenever you're ready, whenever you ready, You're just I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Gonna do the recap, all right, I gotta do the recap.
I got a man, God bless yourself, stay up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Good for you. Rough my guy.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
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