Club 520 - Dwight Howard REGRETS leaving Magic, LeBron vs. Kobe, Derrick Rose MVP battle

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 64 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague is joined by Dwight Howard to talk about his Hall of Fame NBA career. From going No. 1 in the NBA Draft out of high school, regretting leaving the Orlando Magic after taking them to an NBA Finals, battling with Derrick Rose of the Chicago Bulls for the MVP, and playing alongside both Kobe Bryant and LeBron James on the Los Angeles Lakers, you won’t want to miss this interview!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, we're back another episode of Club five to
twenty podcast, brought to Boo smob live in Vegas with
a Big Three draft. It's only right, man. We got
some special guests in the building. We're gonna introduce them. Last,
to my far left, we got my dog, but should
be hearing out the privileges. How you wouldn't nasty? Let's
get to it, bro for sure, longer wayed episode. To
my far right, my dog, Young Natcho, Young Tig.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
How you what chilling bro? Chilling? Chilling Bro. We did
the order story of Freaking Mike. Man.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're gonna have to do the order story of Young
Natcho one day. Man, y'all gonna have to tap it
on the Patreon for that show.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man. We got some special guests in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Man, like we said out here for the Big Three,
the new Squiddy and like right, you know what I'm saying.
They hold down the set. Man, We got the game
in the building. You know, about to start a ride? Yeah,
start ride?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
How this night? What's happening? Brothers? How y'all doing?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Man?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Good man?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Thanks for having us all man, come on man, longer
wad episode. Man, appreciate y'all pulling up now. Listen, man,
you got a lot of competence going on and Big
three man, what's up? Big three man? I'm I'm really
excited about playing in the Big three.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Man. I played, i'd have graduated from the.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Five on five league, and I got my uh my hat,
my jacket, yeah, my award.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So you know, I haven't played three or three basketball since.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know, sometime we have it in practice or whatever,
we might do three or three, but this will be
my first time hoopy with the three three, so I'm
looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Like you said, congratulations as well, man, thank you well
deserved by the well deserved for shure three or three basketball. Listen, man,
you still got you know what I'm saying, you can
probably get missing the league, not even a Big three
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hey, man, we have high expectations. You got to kill
these niggas. You right, also get Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
MVP already preseason mvping three of days, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
We just went to the combine to White. No excuses, everybody.
Oh it's kind of hard to play though. Wow, you
get tired, You get tired fast as hell. Three or
three different court. Yeah, you get tired. I expected last year,
but they just gonna feed the post.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Bro, what's the biggest difference with three and three and
five or fall?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
The biggest difference here is like it's like playing twenty
one when you was growing up. So if you get
the rebound, somebody's running to the three, and if you
tired and don't close out, everybody can shoot.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You don't get blown.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Last year we played in Portland, we got beat by
like forty. Yeah, it was about forty. I think we
had like six points to the first. We were so tired.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Jordan Crover, Yeah, yeah, that was that game.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I flew in the same day. It was like terrible,
like fights and stuff. But across the nation it was like, real, fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Up, you can't beat them joining them. I gotta come
join the riot. And I seen JC yesterday, man, I
told him, put me on the team. Pull, what's up?
Put me on the team? You know you playing right,
playing but not the whole time.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I'll play. I just gotta do some stuff with
high school basketball. We got jaim Ball, got to go
to some of the college campuses.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
How was that coaching? Man, It's cool. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Probably the funnest part of the my life right now.
It'sides being married that's cool too, But conch basketball that's
cool too.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Got to throw that in there.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Speaking of high school basketball, obviously you know what I'm saying, Yes, Productory,
how you got to the NBA, How would you feel
about the n a L and high school? To be honest, man,
I don't really like the n A L thing. I
think the only reason I say I don't like it
is because once the money get involved in a lot
of things that kind of mess up the game, the passion,

(03:39):
the love. I know, on the NBA level, so much
money involved in it take away from how you might
feel because you know you you might not play because
the people up top making a decision. It ain't got
nothing to do with you or how good you are.
And you know, I just feel like now they bringing
it down to high school college stuff like that, where

(04:00):
people getting paid, and now it could devalue some of
these guys from once they try to get to the
to the professional side. So I mean I like it
to the point like, see, you ain't go to college,
so you don't know that feeling.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
You ain't got no money, like you broken here trying
to make it.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
He don't know about that getting that pil grant, But
like it's cool for that point, Like Maniga, take care
of yourself in school and have money in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
But I mean, like I couldn't imagine making four or
five million dollars in college. I would have been filthy.
I would have never made to the NBA. I would
double in my NBA.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
The lowest amount of people into the draft this year, yeah, bet.
I mean if you we got some kids that uh Indiana.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Who could have went to the draft, but he went
to Louisville, ye got three days, three million dollars, shout.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
That's a game change. So I could see on both
sides how it could be good.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And you know, like you said, well, well my side,
I'm like, man, I ain't never experienced going to colleg
so I do not understand that part.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I guess the part that I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Looking at it is from being in the league for
so long and seeing the corrupt I would say, the
corrupt side of.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Sports and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I don't want these parents and these kids to
really get involved in that part.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
But you can't, you can't keep it away from him.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
So yeah, it's already corrupt, Like it's probably was people.
He was player in the country. It's probably people already,
but no, you on the side. You know, I was sixty.
People were trying to give me money on the side,
even to go to college, to give money and stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
So it was happening anyway. It's just cool that that's
in the open now because I mean, we got money
when I was in school.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
So I think Josh. I think Josh Smith for the
rould have took that paper.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
He would have been an eye. Josh, we got ten
for you ten million? Ye, they over going to the
league now. I think he's going to the league.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
He going He wanted to Indiana for well fourteen am
smooth was going to bloom me. So remember what he said,
Remember what he said on the pot. He was like,
my daddy was like, man, that ain't no money in college.
So if they would have offered him some bread. I'm
just thinking that from that side, because you're young. He like,

(06:16):
ship if we're gonna get in real quick.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
It was That's the only reason why I brought up
Josh because he said that on the po made that
was he probably.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Would have they offered him my two or three.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Probably yeahs is a lot for college? What crazy? Even
at the top period three is a lot? That is
father would have stayed there, how long Josh would have.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Stayed a year?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
A year?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
He couldn't stayed there. He couldn't have stayed more than
a year because he would have got to him.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, you gotta get out of there, get in and
get out. Do that a little six months or slide.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I was college like people saying that if I would
to college, I probably would have want to stay all
four years?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Who told you that? Life to think about? People? Be ring? Bro?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He said, just be loving their school. But nobody want
to stay in college but that it is awful doing homework?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Bro. Hell no, now you.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Got to swear about was telling me, man, you would
have loved college. Man, I'm like, what, Man, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Want to go to school when I was in high school?
You love? Campus? Would have been fun as far as
going to class. Why am I going to class where
I have a basket?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Bro? I love the NBA broact, Like what were talking about?
Everybody that say I love college? They must have been
in college. You the man on campus or whatever? But
ship you was the man the league experiences though to
though for people, Yeah, that's sad people.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
No, I'm telling you saying they had fun and was
just gassing the UK. They couldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
They could even do nothing. Yeah that was before the game.
They couldn't even do nothing. I'm telling you the truth.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Bro. I always keep it real.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Bro. When you go to college, it's fun. Like for
a second, Bro, when you go to the NBA. Bro,
of course, that's I thinkings are the line they said,
I want to go back. No, I want to go
back to the NBA right now.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
So was that automatic for you though? I know you
said you and see, but when did you make that
choice to make that league.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
To go to the league? Man?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I was I was saying, tim Grade, Okay, for real,
I don't want to go to college. I feel like
that's gonna be a waste of time for me and
the school. I really just want to go to the
league and hoop. It was nothing else that I wanted
to do besides hoop.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So you know what's interesting. I want to ask you
about this.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Mellow was just talking about on the pod d Jared Smith,
you talking about he pulled up to the Down's game
and see how y'all was playing. He was just like
I looked around and said, oh, yeah, they can go
to the league right now. Well, that moment when you
get around those people that's in the league, that's just
like reaffirming that you already know that I was gonna
be that I could go. Man, every tournament, every tournament
we played in, uh, the McDonald's game, that's when I

(09:10):
kind of like, I was like, this is it, man,
I'm the m v P men j R. I knew
I had a shot. I knew I had a shot
then to be the number one pick. But I was
just so headstrong and making sure I went number one
that you know that was my only only mission.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
The first pick played on the hell of a AU
team too. This is ship right here. Third first Bro, No,
it's Indiana White.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I tell these niggas all the time. You nigga don't
understand how good Randolph was either the coldest front court
Bro of all time, Bro swore to God in high
school basketball and any era.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Bro Randolph and Josh Josh and then we have Javars
to day, Mike Mike the Rush one game we did
the tournament, Yeah, we had a squad.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Niggas from Missouri and all started used to come out
here in Vegas and playing all the tournament, the big
time tournament out here in Vegas. My youngest membage is
coming out here with Atlanta Celtics. And back then they
used to have a little Atlanta Celtics.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Now coming out here, they used to have these little
cards like the escorts. You're talking about that.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I remember our coached, not our coach, but Wallace
prayed the guy wrist is so started the whole Celtics.
He said, if any of y'all mestle any of these escorts,
y'all would never play Celtics basketball again.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I said, Man, I ain't gonna try this.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I want to go to the league here if I
was a friend, because they was passing out the cars everywhere.
But man, we used to come here every summer, man,
and that's what we really got our name, playing out
in the big time tournament.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Playing rememberable matchups from back then. Uh damn, that was
a long time ago, you said. He said he beat
our team. That was our high school team.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
No, nobody was, well, the team that beat us was
pumping run from l a Jordan farmark. What's the big
he was a center. Some dude that Mada Lonzo Madas.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
He was just he was a blue guy. Yeah, but
he was man. But they used to always beat us. Man.
That was that was the only team that beat us
is the team out of l A.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Jordan Farmar at the crib about the Indie Heat team
versuall an Indie Heat team.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
It was who was on that team and Roberts Day,
Kwan Cook, Mike, Eric Gore, and Mike Conley.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
That's a five squad. That's why that was pretty nast Yeah,
Josh Bounce Grey older, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Mike still playing Mike. Oh, Michael just hit three the
other night. I couldn't believe the ship we still playing. Man.
That's so what I think.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Nobody talked about Indiana hoops like that. They should be
talked about more. Most definitely mean we got some hoopers.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Though, Yeah, we got a lot. We got a lot.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Bro, we just don't have a lot of superstars some
of the biggest season as far as consistent players and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, we keep so State got the best hoopers which state.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Bro, we got all the guys Jersey Jersey Jersey Jersey
Jerseys California.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's where you're from from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, Kyrie, Yeah, j Smith, Yeah, y'all cooked after that.
Jaylen Bronson j B forre call Town.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, my mam Chicago though he play Chicago from Chicago.
J Jaylen Broston Chicago and high school. That's a fire.
Yeah yeah, nice, that's New Jersey. Nice go to l

(13:25):
A crazy Well. I had to take l A out
of it, put it in regions. It was just like
when you got just damn the Compton alone, you got
from compted that, James Damar. That's enough.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
You can start right there. I give it to some
real ship though. State wise, I'll give it to New
York pure basketball.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
New York, New York hey By he said, you can't
put New York over Jersey.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Look at the line of pure basketball, bro, I'm just
talking about outside the NBA players, just overall basketball coaching culture.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Who culture really got that many hoopers though from there?
From a lot, not a lot. I'm telling you, Stephan,
it's like Kimber, what's that guy the party right for?
From New York? Like Mark Jacksons, my love, Kenny Anderson
ship like that. It was Ali York.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's not a lot of I think what he's saying
is is not a lot of super superstars from New
York City.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's a streetball and street ball. It's a street ball
on count.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
D n V.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
I know the markets, And Quinn said d n V
PG County and stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's k D mellow b B. That's enough, that's right.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
That was crazy. Well I'm still taking that though. I'm
still taking I'm taking Indiana.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Growing up for us, Indiana was like they used to
always tell us, Indiana is where the Hoopers come from.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I guess because what's the coach name? Who choked the
Bob Knight?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah? I remember in high school they wanted us to
meet Bob Knight. So that was the time I traveled
up to Indiana.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
So who came out of Indiana? Who came out of Indiana?
Like he said, he didn't. That's my doll from Yeah,
crazy you too? The first five living Powerful when he

(15:40):
was in high school he played Power forward and he's
only five eleven. Yeah, bro, we know about a J
boy and number.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Two he had bounce for real about a J boyer.
He was cold Indiana, especially high school. I was we
keep him like every year, were gon keep them the
dollars Americans, how was that year though?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Bro getting drafted?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
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Speaker 2 (18:05):
It was a world where being drafted at eighteen, coming
into a league where you asked to be the franchise player.
I went to the smaller school in Georgia when they
had sixteen people in my class. So now going from
going from small school like that to the league was
like a shell shock for me. I was I ain't

(18:26):
know nothing about nothing, coming into the league.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Who yeah, okay, that ship's smallest.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I said that shit like a damn in my
houses in the league about big as my school? Wow,
bro okay because small at a small school man like
we really it was.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
It was ten girls in our class, six boys. We
had three hundreds? What made you go there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I know we're back then. Damn we got to tap
into that was my It was a church school. So
my church we started school and I just stayed at
my whole life. Yeah, I ain't nowhere else eighteen. At eighteen,
I went to the same school. I ain't know nothing
besides the school. Then I got to the league. I
ain't know nothing but the league. I was really the

(19:17):
bubble boy like in the movie. I didn't know that
fire of eighteen.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's going to a church school. I was. I know.
My first year in the league, I would have been
filled parents kids, I was there was locked up rookie
the league kids, I'm rich.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I got this, you think because Pike we got like
four thousand students. Yeah, was like a mini college. Still,
pip was sixty percent black. I don't even know what
it's like to go to school with that many people,
Like I ain't never seen that many people until I
started going to basketball games in the league, seeing thousands

(20:06):
and thousands of people. So what I mean, obviously the
hype was there, No how good you was? Was our
games crazy?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Like? Was people pulling up to the game games? It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
We couldn't play at our at our gym and possible.
I think we played one game there was the first game,
but it was so packed that it was it was
about to shut the You what they called the fire,
the fire Marshall might come. So we had to play
at one of the colleges that was That was the
time man playing in high school and games is packed.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
And what was your rink? We was number three in
the nation.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Did y'all play Louis No, No, he was a little
bit after me. It was the year after me, but
he was he was like five A, five A six A.
So they playing all the big.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Schools because they school big Ship. Yeah, yeah, that's a
big school for sure. Yeah, our school is small and
it's now because like he's the coach.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Of and monor now and like we was lit Pike
was a really really good prominent basketball school and like
people didn't even care, like people came to games to
support it, but like people.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
That get you know, the niggas good. Yeah, damn.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
There was number two in the nation after Lebron. Yeah
Lebron said, yeah, yeah, that was all three. Yeah, So
like it was a support was always there, but to
like to hear that perspective to have no one player
in the small school like that and then for y'all
to be as good as y'all words like putting out
pros every three years and everybody like people support them
it's like, all right, coolbody.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, how it was. It wasn't even a big deal
and we play. He was lit. I could imagine, though,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
You got the personality, bro, you went to the school
from eighteen that was on site school. Yeah, bro, because
that with your personally, you would think that you went
to a school like us. You feel me like you
real social.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I would imagine it was like a class clamber
with five people in your class.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah. I was a school cloud. Oh god, I was
I having to get next year in the year after
I go see you. That's what I'm saying that you
don't have. You couldn't even switch class. It's like, you're right.

(22:16):
We was in the same class all day and the
teacher would come to all the class. We just had
one teacher. You have like a role at the school,
like I was the the school president. Like we had
like a little you know, a little little grown already.

(22:46):
That's crazy. That's funny as hell. I want to ask
you this question.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You talked about this recently regarded like the situation you
said the grass might always be greener. I love have
had that conversation with you here because I know you
talk about that on teammate. You know the lands for
the NBA, you know, peop moving around and stuff. But
some of these stars is like, might as well just
be where you're at and just make it your own.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah. Man.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
One of the craziest things I think I did was
just leaving Orlando, not knowing what I had until it
was really gone, and not seeing like when you go
somewhere else really and somebody else shit, you think you
can come over there and take it, but nah, it
ain't like that. So, you know, being in Orlando, I

(23:32):
ain't realize I'm the youngest hell man twenty two in
the finals, you know what I'm saying, twenty two, one
of the best players already, MVP and all that stuff talk,
and I ain't know what I was doing down there,
you know what I'm saying. So I just tell you,
honest man, you are Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
That's where you're going.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know what I'm saying. It ain't gonna it ain't
nothing else gonna hit right after that, you know what
I'm saying. So I just think his best bett is
just stay put. I mean, they add pieces around him, you.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So it ain't the other way around. Like, he don't
need to go nowhere else and try to figure it out.
They gonna bring whatever, and.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
He already won, he already won. What else do you
gotta do? You're gonna get this.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
He gonna get a statue, The Nazis will get a
statue right now. Then for real, he needs to stay
man Like, I understand one to leave and playing with
these guys and chasing the ring, but for real, like
that's the one thing I don't I don't like and
I wish I didn't do.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
It was chase after a ring. You know what I'm saying,
going to teams trying to, you know, figure it out.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So I would say, you got to stay home now
because when you was in Orlando, I tell everybody he
was the most dominant player, and it was like he
was joking with people.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
We had four we have four or five Big five.
We had Josh Powell, Jason Jason Collins bro one of
the grants.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
With yeah, yeah, we had a bunch of people. We
had our horbit ta yeah, opportunity. Yeah, we had a
whole squad to stop you. In my rookie year, y'all
beat us about like forty year game. But our second
year y'all did in the playoffs, people about like forty
were Gilbert the right now that we beat y'all with
gil Yeah, but your first year, I think y'all had

(25:22):
he do Oh yeah, we had like the biggest margin
of victory, and like NBA history against you, y'all, like Wood,
he was a coach.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
We was getting ours beat.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Then the next year we played John, we were gonna
let the White score fifty in the first game. You
had like thirty six in the first quarter, like in
the first half, and I'm like, hey, man might really
score fifty.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
They like, it's cool, It's cool. We got we gotta
eliminate the threes. But I was just telling people how
dominant you are, Like it was crazy. You couldn't get
a layup. Like I used to shoot floaters at the
top of the rack board and he would be just laughing, like.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Don't come back here, don't let him go, let him go.
They let him go. I'm like, man, what the fuck?
And them just let you go to the basket. He'll
block it. Fun.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
It was fun as hell, man like, And I think
people took me laughing and joking. That's not taking the
game serious. But I practiced so hard. I worked so
hard out you know, outside of the games before the
game started, that by the time we got playing, I'm like, man,
this is fun going out there, dominating, dunking, blocking shots,
doing all that I'm doing. This is fun because I

(26:25):
don't put in all the hard work. So now it's
really a show. That's That's how I'm taking it. Like, man,
I'm Finn to put on the show. We got all
these fans, they ain't never seen me play live. I'm
finna go crazy. I'm Finn blocking shots, smile talks some
trash to the you know, and I didn't mean no
harm by it.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's just I just had so much passionate about playing.
He was dumbant, bro, I'm always getting your flowers on that.
That shit was crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Thank Gilbert had brought it up on the pod when
they played Atlanta. It's thats like crazy, like forty forty
play against Atlanta. Yeah whatever, Yeah, it's like he had
something against us. That's what I did, being from Atlanta,
but I did one. I was man because I wanted
to play in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying. So

(27:11):
I was like, man, they ain't even I'm from Atlanta.
They could have drafted me. But then it was just
like I wanted to beat the Hawks because every game
I saw somebody that I knew from growing up talking
trash and they cheering.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
For the Hawks.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I was like, man, I got it, and the Hawks
I had like five bigs too. I wanted to destroy
every single big like that was my whole mission. So
that was your whole game player, to let me score. Yeah,
that second time we play, we beat you out my
second year. The first year, y'all blew us up. But
my second year they was like, let Dwight kill and
you was killing shit. But nobody else was really scoring

(27:48):
like that because we were just staying at home and
he was just playing one the one that was killing well.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
We figured it out a smart ass game player, That's
what it was for real, because I'm like, man, I
keep cooking.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
But then my teammates. Wasn't it as involved as Yeah,
that wasn't good.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
When you played with Atlanta, you wasn't on that team.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, I left the year he camp. Yeah, that would
have been five. Yeah. What well did you hit the
weight room when you got to the league. What kind
of idea was you I did. I was skinny.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I tried to lift weights before I got to the league.
My regiment before I got to the league was I
was waking up this every day in high school. It's
waking up four you going to the track, then the
weight room in the gym. But I couldn't gain no weight.
None of that stuff happened. Then when I got to
the league, I started doing Olympic lifting with our trainer

(28:43):
in Orlando, and I would say after the first the
first years would hit me. I started playing against the
guys that was big and strong, and I was like, man,
I'm not gonna get pushed around no more. So I
just started lifting and eating weights. I got too big,
I got too.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, I start. I went and got a weight room
at my house.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Every day, I'm doing the bench press, my bench right,
and I got to get close to five hundred.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
And trunk my right. You bet your fire. I'm trying
to get the fire.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, like man, shoulder, yeah, show the bench press, were
trying to was doing thousand push ups every day.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
No wonder then, because I'm like white with that ship
strong ship.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
It was like twenty and so in the high school
and high school, I was one eighty five, and I
got up to to twenty to twenty four, and then
when I got to the league, they got me all
the way up to sixty five to seven.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
That's big, and that's crazy because like they always compare
like you and your situations, like when I first came
into your league, and then like I can see that, Yeah, y'all,
y'all became fucking I could see that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I could see that. I think that he was he
is a like.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Dwight Howard with that could play with handles and you know,
being able to go full court and all that stuff.
In my era, they weren't allowing the bigs to do that,
and he had just came in at the right time
where he could play one on one as a five
full court bring the ball down. I remember playing in Orlando,
the coaches telling every time I dribbled the ball, it

(30:26):
tell them to come take it, don't dribble. So that's
the only only thing I could do was the jump
hooks and duct the ball. That's crazy, that little team.
We always give y'all credit in y'all Flowers because y'all
were early. Y'all sent the trend like that. Especially in
this era, y'all would have dominated with the threes to

(30:47):
keep the floor space with the threes. Come on, man,
he parked as the fact up point guard of sixty
nine Ryan Anderson, Ryan Anderson shooting three crazy crazy. Nobody
talk about how Jamire played man. Jamier was called star.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It was cold man.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
His the way he shot the ball. It was underrated.
I don't think people really talked about him. I think
after he heard his shoulder that year, but then having
the two O G point guards skipped.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
To my lot and Anthony Johnson a j yeah he
saw him. No Nick, that's crazy, Anthony, No Nick, Justson.
That was my doll. He was one of my favorite
point guards.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
And every time in the game when he got in trouble,
you would just be like Dwight and throw the ball
up for a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'd be like, just anytime you get in trouble, just
throw that bitch up to the rim. I go get
it team.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Like you said, Jimmy Nelson was doing the sting for show,
skip to my little hooping like he just hoop like
it was and one like.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I was that playing with him, bro, man, that was
so much fun.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He was one of my all time favorites because I
used to watch I grew up watching A one. Yeah,
so like seeing him on and one and then actually
being on his team, I'm like, Yo, this is it, Yo,
Like this is really skipped to about loop facts. He
was one of the coldest man, but Hito was one
of my craziest teammates.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's cold and coldest.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Six 'ten can shoot anywhere on the floor, post up,
you got handles. I think the NBA back then was
such a like I can't I don't want to hate
on the guys now that's playing, but I feel like
we was our era, Like.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
That era was really nice. It was good. It was
a good time.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I man, I think it was a lot of cold
people and we I think like the best players to
who was in that era, like all of y'all like
Hall of famers. Just think about the names of the era,
talking about the dirt and Whiskeys, the Kgs, the Tim Dunkins.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
You got Stid of Mine, you got Lebron, you got
all this. The era that we had like that was like.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's probably one of the coldest eras of basket in
the basketball back then was so hard because now the
floor spaced out, so you're getting all these points.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
But back then, everybody boxes and elbows. It's hard to score.
It's hard to get.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Twenty points a game in that league. But then ten people,
it's only ten people scoring twenty points. So you see
how cold the league was back then. You talk about
the space, there wasn't no space. And they had traditional
power forwards and traditional files, yes, and they wasn't three.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
None until they got them when they start putting Charlot Lewis.
Lewis was one of the first ones.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think it was with shar Rashie Lewis too, because
we kind of got that from the Pistons to Detroit
beat us two years in a row in the playoffs.
When I first got into the league. Rashie Wallace, Rachee Wallace,
That's what I say, Yeah, I said about but no

(33:58):
Rashie Wallace. I would say, have Rashid Wallace and Ben
Wallace and then the guys they had on their team.
They kind of gave us the blueprint of what we
needed to do to be successful, Like I need to
change my mentality to be a beast in the paint.
So watching and playing against guys like Ben Wallace, Jason Maxil,

(34:21):
Rashid Wallace, Antonio.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
This is all on the Pistons team.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
So that team right there, the league can blame them
for me wanting to get in the weight room and
wanting to like go after people because for two years
straight they bullied us. Man, they bullied us, and we
couldn't beat them in the playoffs all regular season.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Damn n. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Jason Maxill and Ben Wile ask crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
From people forgetting about Rashid Wallace. Yo, the Nuggets was
getting buckets. He was cold. He was cold. Jason said,
what was he like? Six six Jason six three with
with eight ft three? Yeah, long as he long? Gus

(35:08):
looking like a digit turtles for the enders.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
You don't know you're talking about. It was my name
Isaiah up at Detroit.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Nah back, y'all see that video and chasing the dude
was trying to kill. He would have killed that man.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
What's basketball get different from show man?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yo? Oh god man? It was sometimes over.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I want to scrap why you cannot find the cancer
doing over?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Then me would the guy that you threw the story about,
he just talking ship like yeah, yeah, talk on find.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
But in China we getting on Taiwan. We got into
a my team got into a fight. I got kicked
out the game. I didn't even fight, that's on the bench.
That was the one time I actually did do nothing
to deserve a teck mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
So it was pretty intense.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
You gotta get you overseas, man, Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Ten days about say T A T. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I started the league over in in Asia a couple
of years ago after my first year in Taiwan.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
And the reason being is.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
A lot of guys who've played in the NBA tried
to make it to the NBA. Once they don't make
it or somebody that they usually tend to just be
like fuck it, you know what I'm saying, go down
the rabbit hole of why they ain't played or whatever.
And you know, I really wanted to give a lot
of guys opportunities to hoop across the water. The international game,

(36:56):
the international love, international money, it's all out there, and
I feel like, sometimes, you know, we just put ourselves
in the box.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
If we don't make it here, then that's the end.
All be off. Uh So we started to lead three
years ago and it's been booming. Man.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
We got book Quinn Cook came and played. Uh, we
got a guy seven ft seven that was playing in
the league for a couple of years now, but we
got about eight nine teams the league is where are.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Your boy at from Boston? That was on the pod,
Big t.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Taco he was about to come. As he was about
to come and play over there, he went to uh,
Mainland China play but shout Taco, Shout out the Taco man.
I remember watching man U c f he U see
up stand and you can't finish. He's at the right
student could not paint you seven.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Sposed to be.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I love Taco man for real, just to see his
real progress. Like he came into the league, he was
not that the skilled as he is now. He got
so much better and he does I know he's seven
foot five six, but he dunking those niggas like he
ain't playing around. So shut out the Taco man. It's
always funny like you see like NBA players outside of

(38:22):
the NBA, because we always talked about like the Mitchell
Robinson highlights on him, nothing free throws, but he pulling
up a transition threes in the summer. Taco Funk got
a crazy summer mixed up out there putting pats on
niggas and ship that said.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Damn, I gotta check this out. It's different. I think
it's different in the league.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Sometimes you get they give you a role or like, man,
you're playing against really the best of the best. Like,
so defense gonna be on point, guys is gonna be
really ready to lock you down.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Whatever it may be.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
When you go up seas or something like that, you
get the green light, you trying anything, You're gonna look
like Mitchell Robinson, he got the green light.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
We out there playing in the park or whatever. Is that?
So shoot, I do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Sure, at what point of your career did you like
figure out that you was the one in the NBA,
Like when did you feel like, all right, I can
start taking over and leave my team?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Uh? I would say my.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Third year, third fourth of you then we went to
the finals and then going I would say, going to
the Olympics too. Man, there's so many different situations playing
the Olympic teams. Starting on Olympic team. Uh, that's what
I'm like. Man, I'm one of these guys. You know,
I'm here with Kobe Bron, Jason Kidd Yellow, you know

(39:38):
I'm starting with these guys and the league was just
so crazy back then, just to be mentioned with Kobe
and Brunh.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, with the commercial finals whole.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You talk about the the puppets and sh made my
own puppet. I still got him at the prem Since
you brought up m v P. I know that Derrick Rose,
uh what you said he was? He was number two
that year. Ye got it everybody in the commons slight man.
He wasn't getting that ship over d Rod, which I think.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Now you want to get to the white what happened that? Why?
Why he should have got it? Bro? He had that
Bulls team Rocket it was number one and you had
to go. Yeah, they had the whole. They had they
had Boozer, they had a good team, They had a
good squad. It wasn't just to No, it was just him.

(40:39):
It was not him.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
When he got hurt, Boozer, they good, they good players.
But it was all because of Pool though, like Pool
made the injury, like he was they have him. He
had the city cracking. I think that the effect to
his effect of being at the crib and pulling the
Bulls back up like that.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, after with the magine he brought did the same thing.
I ain't saying you did you did, you did Joe,
you did.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Your big one Bro, But that that ship was BRO
in Chicago, Yes, just a better market.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
He was just exciting. He was a small guard BRO,
and they, like BRO said, but they was number one
BRO in the league.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
It was that's that's good that I said that. So
shay or Yoki this year, this year he gotta asked them.
We got the NVTT. But last year they told he
has to do more. He should be last year he
should have got the best working in the league.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
He should have. You know, the joke is the best
player in the league. Nobody gonna argue that. But this
your first big the average triple double though, that ship, Bro,
he's one of the cats. He's one of the best
centers of all time. There's no question.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Especially I gotta get the v B Bro that they
out of pocket.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
He going m v P. He got to.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
But the Rose that year, Bro like people had to
link up to beat him. Yeah, Bron had to beat
the Magic who they been to these are conference finals
when they got hurt. When he got hurt, though, they
still was number one.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Like the next year. I think that's no. I think that.
That's when Jimmy Butler had with Jordan left. Yeah, they
weren't number one.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That is still the was a little top team, I
mean because Nate Robinson was hooping that year and ship,
but it was in the same Bro.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I mean, take you off the Orlando Magic. They asked too,
not asked, but they were. My team was cold. Man,
if you don't play, though you don't play, who was
your backup center? It was a great backup. Shout out
to Marscene. He was good. Was up for a minute.
They had a crazy pick. What they call that pick.

(42:53):
He got his own screen. That's that's cold. Now. To
be in the league and had a screen or whatever
name after you, that's pretty tough. He niggas on the screen.
You think you should have got the MVP over d Rose.
I'm gonna be yeah, I mean I can't say that.
I thought that was my year. I thought that was
my year.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I mean obviously, you know, I ain't gonna never hit
on d Rose because that's my dog. He's been with Adidas.
You know, that's when we first started, you know, kicking
a little bit. But he I was like, dang, I
thought that was my year. Bro, I thought that was
you know what's crazy, I think obviously crazy apathetical. If
you did that in Atlanta, they would have gave it
the v P. I think the city effect that he

(43:35):
had obviously played for not but the way that he
brought that city up and that support behind him was
so crazy. They was the novel because that was a
basketball city that miss Jordan and they just like, all
we got the next game from here, SA type ship
and even killing either.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
So what was the biggest snub m v P snub
to y'all?

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It gotta be gotta be.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I think that that's tough. That's a tough question.
I had the biggest snub Shack could have got one
of me, say the Shock and the Kobe. Yeah, Shaka
Kobe should have got the MVPs.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
But that should have won every year every year. Damn
two thousands, bro, every year you should have won early
two thousands.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, for him only have one out? Why you think
why you only think he got one? I don't know, bro,
because it's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Because is about to have full and but he really
killed in the playoffs though, yeah, was killed in the
regular season. He killed, But I mean the document he
was coasting it till time to kill.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, he killed in the playoffs. He was a hes
gonna get twenty five?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
You know who I am, though, bro shack Yeah, because
I mean, sure they don't give you the m v
P to it what damn near the finals.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
For the season though it's fun? They what is the
actual rules on it? Because it seemed like every year
switch up? Thank you it's season announcing the post season.
But everybody feels like we'd be like, all right, if
the the m v P in the first round, he
might not gave you.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
B they need to switch all that up.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, and the qualifications of it just I think it
should be the most important player on the team. Like,
if we take this off the team, how good would
this team be? Realistically? I think that's how the MVP
should be.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I mean, but that's every team though, nah, I mean
everybody gonna have them their MVP candidate.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Your team is like top five.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
But I'm saying, like, yo, joking how he said his
name joker h take him off the team, bro. They
they're mid bro, but you take if you take Jason
Tatum off the Celtics, to.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Take Jalen Brunton off the Knicks. They quiet playoffs.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Hell no, what this curtains for no disrespect to campaign
campaigns for the Knicks right now, the campaign the strongest
left handed.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
He's so left handed, crazy from his ankle yesterday when
Jalen got found out. Yeah, Bro, I think you gotta.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I think you should at least be maybe top three
seed because I mean, you're not gonna get my MVP.
That's averaging thirty in a seven seen. I mean Yokas
winning one year that was like the six they gave
MVP the players that uh team wasn't top five.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
It really happened.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
But I mean the way he dominated under novel too
at that time.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I think KG could have got a couple a couple
more times too.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
In Minnesota. Yeah, KG used to kill in Minnesota. They
just win. He got it. He got at the time
he needed to get it. They just wasn't winning.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Bro, He's just really hard to come back because you
played with Brian, he played with Kobe.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Like what was the difference between them two? Like Kobe
Kobe's an asshole.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Not saying his asshole to me, I'm just saying like
his personality, like he an asshole, Like he don't give
a fuck.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, Brian, give a fuck. He won't.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
He won't everybody to like him. He won't to joke around, laugh,
have a good time. I just think they two in
two ends of the spectrum when it comes to their
personalities and on the court, Kobe's just trying to get fifty.
He's trying to kill We think was better.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Scoring wise, you gotta go with Kobe how and Broun
got the most points in league history because he played.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
For the longest. He getting dunks and lay ups. I'm
talking about scored. It is scoring. It is scoring. I'm saying,
like as far as getting buckets.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Like Ship all the way around, we get buckets if
you can't stop and getting to the best.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Listen, don't fall into that dwhight. I'm just saying I
think I think the best scorer all the time, but Brown.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Is the best in different spots. Though Kobe could get
to it better than Brin. I't got to get to that.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Spiders on you over, you can't really because Kareem had
the most points before because.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I still would think. I'm always going with Kareem because
I think he got the one shot. I used to
tell them Kareem to go because he got one shot
and nobody could stop. He had thirty thousand points doing twos.
He shoot no threes, He have no threes.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
What he was good?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
He did play twenty eight years, he's still doing two
points to get thirty thousand. He is the greatest height
he did. He got the most high school and college accolades.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
All that stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
His saying like you would take Broun because it's just
not I just watched basketball, and I'm like, I would
take you.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Kareem is literally one and done. Who's stopping Kareem? What
I'm saying, you would never see that ever again, there's
no more correct. Your dad did not have you in
the hood hook shots like I was doing hook shots
on my own. That's one of my favorite shots. Yeah,
but you you never, you never, you never. My likes

(49:11):
mom was running hooks. I did all run up your leg.
I wasn't. I wasn't. Drops. You did not say I
want to put like career. No, I didn't know. I wasn't.
Nobody said that said said he made the shot because

(49:34):
they've been dunking, right.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I want to know how because because the goals, the
goals probably wasn't a strong to handle people dunking like
that than they are now. So I can understand that
because when I was in high school, and that's not
even that long ago, we couldn't dunk in warm ups.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I still can't do that. No, you know that's really
because goals and stuff like that. We know in Jersey,
Jersey anything man, Jersey man. We don't want about to
add to y'all have a shot clock? What in Georgia?
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
What?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Like, man, what's that the what's that? The game? Let's
get this. Yeah, he answer the question a little better.
Damn man, trying to.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Let you trying to everything everything combined. You got to
give it to Lebron okay bat scoring wise, I gotta say,
I like Kobe. If it's late in the game, I'm
giving the ball to Cobe. I'm not gonna get the
ball of Lebron late in the game, I'll give it
to Kobe. I said, Lebron got he got it.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I take that.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
That is funny to hell that Lebron is like you're
considered as a score. He got the most buckets ever.
We understand how, but that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I never understood it. Twenty five every year. Well, I
have the most buckets ever brought.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
He don't have career, He don't have a Kareem style line.
Bron score all over the floor. I mean, of course
you get the majority of.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Have a bag.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm faster. I don't need I
don't need a bat let it don't he don't let
you know he don't love.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Don't first of all, don't disrespect one of the best
basketball I'm coming on front. There's no way I'm letting
this man. Look at his hand and the ball he
do he right at his hand and look at them.
Man go back. That's how I know to go.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
When he was younger, he get disrespectful to fit the
ball in his hand. And Jay, I'm like, Barn is
so fucking disrespect because we know you're not fasting. Bro,
y'all I think y'all might got Bron fucked up.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Bron got a bag. Bro, have you got bag? But
he got a bag. I ain't got no bad he
got Bro. Because it's passing, it goes into that too.
I mean, he could pass like a month. He could
pass like crazy. Don't we talking about his bag.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Like he's not a handler for three hundred, Bro, I
don't need the bag. Bro, get out my way or
you're gonna go Bro. The facts seen Brian twin twin
swing pull up. I mean here, he's nice, but he
ain't got handles like that.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So you say he better than Jordan, come on up
your podcasts and then yeah, I think he better better
than Jordan. Yeah, and what shooting everything? Oh, it ain't nothing.
He can't do that. Mic about shooting ship Mike and
shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Mike had a crazy elite fight away, but well he
can't do that, Mic, real I want to hear besides
the final stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
But I feel like me.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I feel like Brian played better players in the finals
and had to go to some tougher roads like oh
we ship, you got Detroit, said Mike didn't play Detroit
in the finals.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
He had to get through Detroit.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, yeah, but he had to play with the electrics
scenes that was all the magic.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
That pho magic was magic was old magic. They played
the son but Curry Kevin Durant. Nah but this, yeah,
we do got the best, that's bro.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, I played okay, see the one I won. I
played three Hall of Famers and James Hard and Westbrook
and KD. He had to get through KG, and then
then I had to I had to get through Boston.
Bost was historically good SPIST five Hall of Famers.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Mm hmm. And that goes say team is one of
the best teams in NBA history, NBA history.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
And then who no disrespect to Mike, but he played
John Stock and Caromelonge.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
That was cold though, Bro, But that duo.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Is not better than no other? Is his name that
Bro played in the finals? You taking freaky Caral bro along.
You're taking him over Tim Duncan, Parker.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Freaky call though crazy? Wow, I won't stay out of that.
You can't freaky he was? He was? You think you
think you think that you take Tim Duncan and John
why not? Yeah, I'm taking him Duncan all day. He's better.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, I'm taking defensive aspect too. Yeah, I'm taking this
argument who better Tim Duncan O KG.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Tim respected K because expected Tim Duncan had a better career.
I'm taking K want me. That's not said.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I got san Antonio who if he was more of
a selfish player, the stats would have been more.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Sheet over Tim Duncan. M yeah, I'm not manus. He
must get you buckets. Yeah yeah, you know she was
cold man, he was hit the white room, that type ship.
Yeah yeah, strips to get ain't the way hell he

(55:18):
think he better? What come on, y'all gotta crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I can't do that because she didn't have those comp
Rashid was more of a team. He didn't really care
about having. Now take is the most team friendly nigga
I ever seen in my life, even fifty games. Took
those first since Yeah, because on the back end he
was getting paid. Of course he still get probably getting paid.

(55:45):
But I'm just saying it looked like it looked good.
Look at your other person, y'all think he just took him.
He's gonna have real state. Yeah back, so y'all taking? Okay,
so kg or Rashid I got, I'm gonna take.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
But Tim Duncan over all them. You can't miss with
either one of those are all three part of the top.
It was the first one to me to do what
he did.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So you're gonna take that jazz team over this person.
Tim Duncan. Genobian I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Even like Utah. I don't know because said.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
In respect to Genobe is Cooking Hill for sure. What
That's what I'm saying, Bron, Bron played better teams?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
He did, Bro, was that nigga shot the Greg User tag?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
But well, we can't even say we can't even say
Bron did play against better teams.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Playing against K, you gotta go through K D. Russ
and James har Gott to do his beat Charles Barkley,
Stephan Stephen Curry, Draymond Green. That's just we're just looking
at it from the paper like we not.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Actually some of these guys may not didn't have a
name like the kg's and all that, but they was
cold then.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Defense and all that old seven Calfs team which alf
the world can't remember? Who was on that team?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Finals, Bro, his fingers count I renewable? Who else is
on that team? What's the ball head point guard?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You gotta do that? Williams start with.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, he was snow, very snow. That's that's the one
of the strongest point guards in the history.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Just another question about his life. You gotta start saying,
what the nigga? One of the struggles everything?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
You know?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
You he who was on that team? That's what I'm saying, Bro.
Anderson Baras out. He was. He was on the team
and the tall Bron was what twenty one so freaking
was there? He was a two guard, the point guard.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Give come on, bro, Yeah, y'all about movie. Think about
when Bron left no disrespect the movie gifts and what happened. Yeah, bro,
not even to the team.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That city died. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She got
so happened when Bron retired from the league.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, Anthony for sure. Okay, he shout out, so he
the face john face job job, blew it up, shut
it up.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I don't think that they wanted y'all to be the
face of the league. What about Wenby? No, No, he
ain't got no person, no disrespect. But you can't. You
can't be from like a different country and be the
face of Yeah, he got to clean his English some more.
That's yeah, I just can't be You don't. You don't
even do no media or nothing.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
But he's white. He's there, quote unquote, don't shape for
an athlete. He finished the stereo type of everything they
woul want to promote as men face.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Ain't he good? If he ain't doing it, bro, it's
probably gonna be like.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Even Luca like Luca cole But you can't be the
face of the league because they you can barely understand
the call.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
You you gotta win. If he win this ship, they
gonna give it here.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I think it's gonna be Minnesota versus the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, I got Minnesota Knicks Finals. That's hard like that.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
He's crazy, say, I appreciate you coming on the shop,
but the pace would be an NBA finals. You know
what I didn't, I've been rocking in the end. I
just think that New York might get him this year
because they just they got they got a big they
got they got it big, and that can post shoot
do it. Also, that's why I got Knicks.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Why do you think Halliburton voted most hated.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Because I don't like him.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
But it's no way I heard that it was only
thirteen guys that said that he was overrated. It's only
thirteen people who did that vote. That wasn't even a
whole bunch of people, for real, They.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Just blew the whole student now operated though, But he
now Brad he's nice. He nice, He's definitely nice. But
I think it's because he was having such a rough
at the beginning of the year it was rough. Yeah
he is he a top ten point guard right now? Yeah?
Hell yeah? Name who better than him? Name name?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Are you taking a little Tyres talibur right now for
the just know, right now before the injury? If you
go look at the Dame stats, I got damn any team. Yeah,
of course you gotta go with Dame. But I'm taking
Tyres right now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Okay, your shame team, nigga, Dame B Dame, goddamn Tyrese
are your shame team.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
You gotta take them the China right now, right now,
I'm taking Dang, So you take it. You gotta go
to He's taking Jayleb Brusto, Tyres Haliburt to War.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I gotta go with Jay. Okay? Are you taking Jama
Rent or Tyre's Halliburton to tai War? Taking job? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Let's you're taking Kyrie Irvin or Tyres Haliburt Tawan? Oh man,
I'm taking kyn Halle over all this this is gonna
be affair with tray or Tyres Haliburton the Taiwan. Oh
come on, come on, you're trying to get the win.

(01:01:32):
You try to go back to the finals. Who you're
taking out of who? All the people just name. I'm
taking Halleklie gonna get me there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah yeah from listen man want two three way back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Huh Kyrie Man, Kyrie, he's gonna tell you, yeah, Kyrie
gonna throw me Lass. But he don't want to play
in ta war. But he said on your Orlando team,
on my Orlando team to go back to the finals,
that the white I need.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I need Halle because hes gonna he gonna, He's gonna
get me a lot of assist He talking about who
he want to play with. He ain't saying who better. Yeah,
I'm not saying who better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I'm saying the person who might make my job easier
is Halle because that's what type of point guard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
He Yeah, so I can't. I think you'd be good too,
because he told a lot a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
So I'm looking at guys that's gonna be good for
how I play. Guys that's gonna find me in my
spots where I can finish easy and stuff like that.
So I know Halley from how he playing me and
him in a pick a roll, you can't drop, it's
over with. You can't travel because he's picking you apart.
Now if I'm rolling down the lane, I got my
four four shooters over with. Yeah, and I think, I mean,

(01:02:54):
we're a subscribed but for the way that our role
players excel, but the way he gets them open shots
is like really underrated, I think, because he creates everything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
When he don't play, we are sad. We're not a
good team. He's down that court. That's why I think
you might win because if Hallie ain't out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah. The only thing I like my chances with the
Knicks is that we was cacking foul. So I know
that cat's going foul. My kind of keep him out
the paint. Their wings are really really good. They upgraded obviously,
but our.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Wings ain't soft, and the physical good wings were not soft. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Going to this place of ship, we're getting on the
basketball Yeah yeah, get well. So going back to New York,
they're about to get that's about to be a totally
different team next year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
There's some major changes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I can imagine gonn happen because they trying to get
into that sellar cap mm hmm. And they have to
do some contracts and they got a new owner too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah. Do y'all think they need some more teams around
the league? At least she deserves the team players. I
love us. Nice team. Okay, you have a team, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I think Seattle should have a team. Vegas and Seattle
should have a team.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Ye Vegas, what the Vegas? The Vegas? Wow? With that
being said, wow, did he really just say that your son?
What the mascot? Gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
This ain't no smoke. I'm just listen. You were rescinding
all that Westen, I'm rescinding my whatever you want to

(01:04:53):
call it. I recentding.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I want to ask you, Sai, because we went to
the Hall of Fame thing, it's gonna be mellow and
uh and Dwight next year is gonna be a hard decision.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I don't think it's a lot of names who.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I think it's gonna be Stottamaya, Uh, Blake Griffin, john Wall,
Andre Dollar, and Joe Johnson. I think Dollar get it. Yeah,
he's gonna get in. I think Blake might you got to.
I think like a high possibility of him getting in
for sure. I think Joe get in too, go around

(01:05:33):
and Joe seven time all story, Joe should get in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Joe And you said stat right, Stam, I ain't know.
Stott wasn't Mark was cold. It was cold. Yeah. I
think what he used to do. He used to suck
him dunking up. Yeah, yeah he did. Yeah, I I
think I see what you're trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
You're trying to whatever I form my Marty never got hurt.
Where does that put him in power forwards?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
All? Definitely he was gonna be tive crazy. Yeah, and
that's why. And that's no smout to Steve Nash.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
But you look at those Phoenix teams and the rosters
that they had, like that he had Joe Johnson, he
had that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Like, yeah, they had to give it to the I
had to give it to Steve Nash though man may
be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Yeah, but then playing with a point guard like Nash
mixed out of my yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Did but was fired on New York too. He was
fired with New York.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
But it was kind of he didn't have that Uh
he had that point guard he heard because you got
like when Chris Paul is with Clint Coppella, it's like
Clint Coppella being you know, he left wasn't the same.
I'd be like saying with him like he had like
a real pass. First, you got to think he went
with Kobe James James Harden could pass just he just choose.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
We want to say Clinton. It was nice for James
because Clinton was that's just throwing lives all day. You
probably that's that's a whole different era. Like I think
Jamia was like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
But then once we started doing the one with the
four out one end, everybody shoot threes, then they kind
of wanted a different style from just the pick and roll,
get to the basket, dunked and bitch. They wanted more threes.
You might have looked different though with Rondo. Well I
was in my prime with Rondo. Yeah, it would have

(01:07:32):
been different. It would have been different.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You I think you played with Kobe, then you went
with Harden, and you went with John Wall and went
who's the other guy, Kimba Walker?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Now you always that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
That's a good call, bro. I see, I see what
you're saying for real. Actually, what was the crazy season?
The Charlotte year or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
The Washington year?

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
My Charlotte we said crazy Earth, Yeah was crazy, man,
I had in Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
It was a lot of shit that happened. That was like, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I had back surgery that year, so that year was
crazy and I was playing on one leg for half
the season when I played with Washington. So when I
did play for Washington, I was so hurt that I
couldn't even tie my shoes. The trainers had to put
my shoes on my feet for me. I couldn't sit
down on the bench because my back. I had to

(01:08:27):
stand up during timeouts. I had to stand up the
whole time during games. On the planes, I couldn't sit down.
They had to give me like a bed that I
could take everywhere. On the buses, I couldn't sit down.
So that year was real tough for me physically because
I don't think people understand that herniated disk in your

(01:08:48):
back is probably one of the worst injuries you could
have in life, not just basketball. So me having that
injury trying to play it was the worst decision I
made from doing that. But then I had the surgery,
came back, and we want a chip chip the next year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
They always like criticized athletes for like not paying, playing
through the paint or stuff like that, But like normal people,
they could go to work, right, you couldn't stand up
like you couldn't te that's for you not to be
still with swooping. That's still what out there and played.
I could tie my own shoes like this. I couldn't
do that, you know, I'm just having to go out
there and play with that. That's crazy. You don't know

(01:09:30):
how I did about. I was like, man, I gotta
keep playing because I want to I want to win
this chip. And that's all I was talking about chasing
the ring earlier and all that stuff. I think that's
such a bad approach. That's why we're Janni's like, dude,
you're gonna have some good years and bad years. Michael
Jordan played for fourteen years. He won six championships, so
he didn't win the rest of the years, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
So it's quote, uh he said that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
But it's true though, Like you know, we we as players,
we expect to win. Then the fans and everybody else
expects for us to win the same way. So now
we're putting that added pressure on us, you know. And
I think Jannis, they lose a couple of years. Everybody like,
man's Joanna's fault. He gotta do this, he gotta do that,
he gotta get better, and it's just all noise. You

(01:10:18):
know what I'm saying. If I could go back. I
just shut all that noise off man and just continue
to focus on getting better, like he wanted the coldest ever,
Like he should never leave Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
He gonna get everything he wan't add more in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
He gonna go somewhere else and find out that the
people really might not fuck with him like they do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
He talking about him like going to the Spurs. That
might hurt crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
That would be crazy him and winby then that's gonna
be scary.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I think people to pull it up on you if
you have stayed in Orlando. I think people would have
pulled up on your Orlando. I don't think niggas pulling
up to Milwaukee too. With Yannis, nobody was pulling up
to Orlando. He said, we was trying. They with nobody
know they couldn't get nobody. Who was somebody that you
wanted to I'm over there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Steven Jackson, somebody for like defense and stuff like that
like that. Really, I love my squad. I ain't want
to trade nobody on my team. When I wanted to
leave Orlando, it was solely just based off me. My decision,
like I felt like I needed a new place being
young at the time, like man everybody telling me, Man,

(01:11:24):
you need a new place. Man, you've been here for
so low. Man, go somewhere else and start over. I'm like, dang,
maybe that's what I need, you know what I'm saying.
So again I would say he got it. Shut all
the noise off, stay silent, man, because people gonna say
whatever they want to say. People gonna tell you how
they would handle the situation. But one, they ain't making

(01:11:44):
two hundred million dollars. They ain't the face of a franchise.
They ain't got all this stuff riding on them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Whatever they choose, you know what I'm saying. So I
feel like he got to get quiet, get.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Away from everybody, let him make his own decision based
off what's gonna be best for his life.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
He said that the Dame too, even Portland. I felt
like Dame should have.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Oh yeah, I don't believe in leaving. Like if somebody
give me the franchise, I'm staying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah. He talked about that all the time. I'm making
five hundred million and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Just it's one thing I would say going back, like damn,
Like when you have something that's yours and it's really yours,
like that ship was mine, you know what I'm saying,
Milwaukee is his, you know, so now you give it up,
you leave that bitch opping for somebody else to come
in and take.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
It, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
So, and the same people that will tell him to
leave with criticized him as soon as it don't work
that ot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
But he should have stayed. He should have stayed. You
shouldn't have left. Yeah, I know how that feels. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So I hope he made the right, the best decision
for him and not for everybody else. And shot, I
fucked with Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
At one point in my career, I was trying to
go to Milwaukee and I played for the Rockets. Oh
what was you on? You want to tell you all
the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
It's like, I see some potential in Milwaukee before y'all
won the championship. When y'are this, I was like, man,
I see some potential in Milwaukee. I want to play
with Jannis and all that. It's when I played for
the Rockets a couple of years later, y'all wanted you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Well, you had the vision because I showeddn't see that. Everybody, nigga,
you out of pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
You got two NBA champions of my fate. I was
just there, which I think about that. People would say
they both fake. They say the bubble I was real,
but I ain't real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I ain't do nothing. I was. What was your experience
like in the bubble speaking of that man? You like
that ship or what? Uh it was? I liked it
because I got a chance to just get away from everything.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
But at the time, my son's mom had just passed
and they wouldn't let him in the bubble, So you
know what I'm saying. It was real difficult to be
without my son. And at first they told me he
could come. So that's why I was like, shooting, I'm
gonna go to the bubble if my son can come.
And when I got down there, it was like, nah,
you gotta stay over here, and you gotta stay over here,

(01:14:15):
and so it was before a couple a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Then I just had to lock in and just kind
of block everything. Got to just hoop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
But the bubble was cold. It was hard to play
out there because you ain't got nothing. But the time, yeah,
so it was pure hoops at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
You turn them out there, no fans and ship like that.
That's how I think that was different for all all
the players though. Yeah, that ship out there, Bro, you
gotta be different mentally for that type of ship.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
And people try to discribe it, Bro, it was a pandemic,
bro Like, yeah, that means the whole world is shut down?
What are you all talking about it with pressure on everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Bro. Definitely for their family, Like people had.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
To go leave their whole family and everything to go
down and play. You know, during this time, people get COVID,
people could die. George Floyd situation was just going on.
It was so much happening. They had a protest outside
of the hotel we were staying at when we was there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
So yeah, it's that's a real that's a real chick
for sure. Man. This man shout the pot out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
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but yeah, y'all can check us out Above the Rim Podcast.
Thanks shout Out five twenty for having us on. Man,
been watching watching y'all for a while. Man. We got
some Indiana, I got some friends and family from Indy,
so you know, yeah, I'm in that for show Me

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at one time, for Boosmo from making this happen. We
appreciate y'all. Man, we got some dope stuff on the way,
Stay tuned, will be back next time. Club twenty the
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