Club 520 - Norris Cole on playing with LeBron & Miami Heat, Ray Allen’s shot in 2013 NBA Finals - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 2 (01:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:26):
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We're gonna introduce my man's last. But to my far
I left my dog. BI should be hearing out the
prayer least. How you went nasty, cool and national. Let's
get to a baby another one. Okay, say out of uniform,
but it's all good. It's all good. Hey Norse, you
know what I'm saying, You and me and West Kid.
But you have you ever seen them feats over there?
The black forces with the white license.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I've never seen those before.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I get you up here, bro, you were like that,
I guess now, so you can you see a nigga
at the gas sation of the opposite direction. He got
his own license now too, though, so yeah up, yeah
shoe licens might mean my own licens, bro, So shout
out to the cavalry.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's where it started.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
We try to spread the Black fortes across the world.
That's about right, my dog. You're not sure your tea?

Speaker 4 (02:12):
How you wre man?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I'm chilling, bro, I'm cool.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I'm glad. We got my guy in the building. Still
fuck Cleveland State. But it's all love.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Listen, this wasn't even playing. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You got the Columbia's on. My boy got the what's
having his own already be at the Gamazon. It's love, bro,
you know what I mean? Black against white, it's all of.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Sixty.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's perfect.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
When we played them, remember us say the day that
the rank so we was both ranked and whoever win
that game was going to be number one, and obviously
they won. But like that was my first introduction to
Greg on the court, Like you obviously saw him play
on like film, but like he was like a mountain.
Now of course it was no layup ruling effect like
shoot your floaters. I even show the floater he blocked one,

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so it was like shoot three, shoot three. Then you know,
Mike gonna control the whole game.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah, was that your first time I'm seeing somebody like that?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, that was my first time seeing Yeah. I mean
we played against talented dudes, but like Greg was d dude,
you know what I'm saying. Like we played against division
one h Greg was a pro th and then Mike.
We played against scoring point guards and fast point guard.
But Mike had the ultimate balance. He was super quick,
but he was poised. He knew when the score and
went not to score. Like that was the first time
I seen like a floor general in high school because

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most dudes just score. He was a true floor general.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Like Mike would He could not score the game and
still dictate the game.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
He averaged eleven in high school.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, it was tough, but eleven assists two.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Though he was but I'm saying, though, niggas really like
sleep like and he was, yes, foot.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Dunk right foot dunk let right two.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
And it's funny hearing that both of y'all because of
how y'all play y'all fast.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
But Mike was different.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
He probably ran out four to two, but.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Like you said, from the free throw line with two
hands like.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Vertical. He's actually watching dunk off vertical. Dangn Hey, why
Yon'll never dunk?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
He's like for what I heard? You play football too, though, Bro,
what po was this? Did you play QB okay? Is
that your first love?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Or I was naturally better at football? But all my
uncles went to college for football like Division. One had
then uncle that went to Nebraska, played in the Big Eight. Yeah,
time playing in the Orange Bowl. I had another uncle
that played in Eastern Washington. Another one played at Texas
Southern Football Central State. So football was like in my family.
Like my first cousin, Trent Cole, played for the Philadelphia

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Eagles for years, so football was like that was in
the family. We all played basketball too, but like football
was like my first love because it was I was
the most skill that it. I played all the sports,
but that one came natural, like I didn't have to
do too much to know how to play.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
That's who started recruiting you heavy, that's where you did
your first skully come from football or both, but.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
It was low level. For basketball, I never got only
had one Division offer for basketball that was Cleveland State.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
For football, I would get like max schools Toledo. Yeah,
but I never really entertained it because I wanted to
play basketball. I wanted to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
To ask how you got but you said that was
your offering, the only one.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I was committed to go to n I A washn
A Division two and then my my high school coach
couldn't accept it. He didn't. He was like, no, it's like,
you know, she at least got to give a division
on to try. I said, well, you know division was
coming and I'm not paying for school, Like I didn't
have an ego. I was like, I'm going to school somewhere.
Then Cleveland State. You know, they came and watched me

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playing the state championship. We want to stay my senior
year and then they offered me a scholarship and I
was like, that's where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That was all she wrote after that, that's a lot
of motivations for something. These guys who on got office
right now, like.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Don't have no go where they want you. I was
that's the thing with me. I wasn't going gonna go
look for some D one and didn't want me. I
was gonna ask me to like pay half because I
was gonna get academic schlarship because my grades was nice.
It was like having me pay half to get on
the team. I was like, no, like wash wanted me
any i A. They was laying the red carpet out.
I'm gonna be the guy. So I'm like cool. And

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then Cleveland State came. They came to my house, sat
in my you know, talk to my dad, my mom,
my uncle, looked them in the face, and I was like, oh,
they want me, So that's where I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's what's up, man, Cleveland State.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
To say that ship about twenty years we're here, now, let's.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Talk about it. Sixty nine, we had a lot of
ship going up.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Man.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Sorry, first year at Cleveland State. Did you you didn't
get the keys right away?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Did you have to the keys?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Man?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Listen, we gonna get to that average like five points
a game was on the line and I was back.
I was the backup. And so the condition I had
never did conditioning because that no brow. We were so talented,
like we did conditioning, but like we was gonna win
because we had the most talent. I got to Cleveland
State individuals and stuff. You know, you got to hold

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your own in college. Individual So that's the first time
I'm like, oh, I'm not good enough right now. So
my freshman year was all about getting acclimated. I started
lifting weights heavy, started running, taking wind sprints, serious, getting
my skills. I never practiced dribbling, bro. That was the
first time I started practicing dribbling and stuff like that.
And it was like I went from averaging five points
as a freshman to thirteen as a sophomore, which is

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when they got.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, that's because y'all bet shit.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
I remember that y'all played against Syracuse Florida State. Yeah,
y'all won't the only ones, bro.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Now we watched y'all beat Syracuse because y'all, I think
your other guard came from Syracuse.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
He came from U St. John's somewhere. John.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, and I remember watching he caught a live or something.
But we ain't take y'all serious. I know, we was.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
We had I was getting ready for the draft almost No.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
We had Arizona. So we had Arizona. Did you play Arizona?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
So we was like, are we gonna play Arizona? That's
gonna be the Scouts. Jordan Hill I was like.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna go top ten.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I'm gonna go top ten and damn like after that,
we're gonna go to Indianapolis where I'm gonna be at
the crib. I'm gonna really put on the show against Louisville.
So we we watched film on y'all, but not really
like we watched like thirty minutes and we was like,
he's too small, and then I'll never forget Our coach
was like, because.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
We went to the club the night before, we knew that,
so we went. We was living, Bro, he's getting paid.
We was living like we was rock star time baby.
So he ended up they ended up showing us him.
But they was like they point guard the Cedric kid.
He was like, bro, he can play.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
We like, yeah, who's that nigga? He transferred? I know
he can't, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, man,
I ain't worried about him. They was like, they got
a football player whoever, y'all, big man.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
He was our best he was our real best player.
Jonathan Bullock. Yeah, but he played football. Yeah, he got
a he after he finished he went to the Jets
and got on their practice squad right away and never
played since high school.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh yeah, They was just like he a football player.
He ain't even a basketball I never forget that. And
I know the game start. He had a bank three
and our coach called the time out. He said, We're
gonna fucking lose. Guys are playing around. I'm like, man,
we ain't about to lose to these sadass nigga. That
shiit just started getting spooky. I'm looking what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Bro bro We wasn't even allowed to y'all went to
South Beach. Bro We stayed by the airport and they
let us ride down South Beach on the bus, then
let us get off. That was our tournament experience. Coach
was like, nah, we ain't here just to be here,
He said, y'all want to go to South Beach. Bus
driver driving the South Beach, don't nobody get off. So
we just rolled down, got to look at it, and
went right back to our hotel. That was all our tournaments.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Ship nigga.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I was walking on the beach, went to a club.
First time I ever seen a club like a club
like that. Niggas buying shots. I don't even drink at
that time, but we just vibing. We knew we was good,
so I said part nigga. We got that game, we
started arguing. I'm like, we just started arguing.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Super athletic though, Yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Just started arguing. Our whole team was then I just
started running to the corner line. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
They was trapping every time I came off bos screen.
Two people here. I'm like, y'all, niggas gotta make a shot.
Niggas was breaking them. Niggas was celebrating my bracket.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
I'm going to the bragget.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
But the thing is the way we play against y'all.
That's how we played against everybody. Like we trapped ball screens,
like really aggressive. Like we didn't play super fast, but
like if it was a miss, you know, we pushed
the pace like coach was a defensive coach.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Now, y'all, defense was a one I wouldn't I was.
I had an attitude that game though, So I didn't
even play. My dad was calling me so many times
after they was like stopped calling me, Doug.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
He's like, you played like a whole.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
At eight point.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
I don't even know what I had. I'm like eight
noine point. It was ironic. Pat Rdy was at that game.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
He ended up drafting me like he was at the game,
sitting a few rolls away from my parents, and my
uncle was like, you know Pat Rise at the game.
I was like, nah, I didn't know that, but like, okay,
cool two years later and he talked about it when
I got judged, like, man, I saw you play as
a sophomore. You ain't even know, like we was looking
at other people obviously at the time, but like that
was the first time, like getting introduced to me.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's crazy, look at it. You have to get drafted,
all work out, always gonna give him.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Mother fuck, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
That's a hell of a story though. It's really crazy, though,
you know, So what's uh, James, So you know how
y'all was walking in the back, how he was warming up,
y'all was kind of walking through our line, and Big
j Nathan was like, if these cats walked through our
line one more time, bro, I'm gonna get active. And
I'm like, now looking back, I said, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like I was like, because at the time, you know,
we win it.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Big Dog don't get Big Dog like, can't nobody whip him.
So he's like, bro, they walked through the line one
more time, but I don't care which one of them is,
I'm about to get active and we're like whatever, and
then like now, I'm like, I'm so glad that.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
In a bowling box one place after one puce after
live that.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
I just got. You know, you're a homie now, so
he's so cool. He talked about that, and I'm like,
I never told him. Now, I was like, bro, when
I was walking through our line, it was really about
to be something I'm like and it would have got
so ugly so fast, man, because he know he's the
truth with it though, you know, because you were.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
But he don't.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That was.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
They shout out to jaj Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I see him do out here.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yep, he did come for the ain't gonna be no
more running into the locker room. They signed him right
after that.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
That game.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Again, Go get that game, man, leave him alone, keep it.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
What was your most memorable tournament game?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
That one?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
That one you got off the most on that one?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean I had seventeen against Arizonable, we lost. I
only count win, so.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Okay, okay, but what's fucked up is though about that
y'all beating us. I never forget so Rick Patino, I
had beef for him because he didn't recruit me, but
he you know, he wanted to recruit my little brother
in mine. He want dad played for him, so I
had beef for him. So I wanted to play Louisville
so bad. And that day of the game, he said,
I got to watch that twelve five matchup Cleveland State

(13:37):
and Wake for est. I got Cleveland State beating him.
I was like, bitch, we're gonna beat you out. What
this nigga talking about? Like he about to nigga, you're
a coach for a team that's in a tournament. You're
telling niggas who's gonna win and ship talk to him.
I was like, man, that's why I'd be so hyped
when they lose every time.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
The Big East, though, he watched us play against South
Florida's in the Biggest when we be serious, was they
was in the East, so like he had like been
watching all year.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I felt the way though the.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Waters we used to coach workers. My coach can't Cleveland State.
He was a ruggers, so he came from the Big EI,
so he had that relationship.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, and he said that ship and that ship happened.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I ain't gonna I wasn't mad because I know I
was about to go to the NBA, but I was
sick that, like, I didn't get to play Louisville.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's my biggest thing, I.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Know, because they smasters on it like they did them.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
He would have tried to get fifth.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I would have tried to.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
We hired out our beef iver, but I was gonna
get fifty on them.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's what I did.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I would have went to Louisville. I wish I could
hell and I wouldn't know. I wasn't about to be
pressing like that. I'm glad I went where I went
because the defense was not a priority. So I gotta
ask you this first, the who the ones you gotta
play first? Edgar or the Sean Jackson? The Sean Jackson.
That's joke jokes.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
That's for the internet, jokes, bro.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
What he says for content that jokes. Worry about jokes.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Guard play was tough back then. Least you had to
really strap.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Up, Like who was Arizona guard?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
They had Nick Wise get busy.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, his number circle too. I should have circled just ship.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
That was.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Can't be in front of They be shelling them too.
They be shelling them to Wash.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I was they had a good team that the Horizon
League so killed at that time. Obvious.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know what I'm saying, you hold it down. He
talked about the hold on.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Did you play against Justine Sir? Show you didn't? Okay,
he was too young. I thought you played for uh,
damn some school in Chicago or the lawyer Loyola. He
played for Loyal I know.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
I'm being honest. I didn't know. None of the player's
name is in our conference. So we played them.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah, okay, we can move on. But he was one
of just Sir was one of them.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I remember his same year.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I remember because they beat us, so obviously I just
kind of kept up with Ship and I remember his
senior year. Nigga, he was getting forty and Ship. I'm like,
then got a box. Oh this nigga that turned out that's.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Forty. I'm like, yeah, he's wow.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Did you average one twenty two or some shit like that?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
How was that six and six?

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (16:26):
My senior year like magic, I'm gonna be honest, because
I was having an out of body experience, like I
couldn't even explain what was going Damn. You know how
coaches say work hard, work hard, and eventually to payoff.
Casts be like when it is gonna pay off, Like
my senior year was just my three years before that
paying off. Damn all the working out three times a day.
You know. I used to kill myself in the workout.

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But my teammates thought I was like weird, like right way,
because I would work out before practice, after practice, then
come back midnight. Like I don't even know how I
did homework to stay eligible, bro, because I was working
at all day long. Because I went to the Darren
Williams camp after my junior year and they say ninety
percent of people that go to that camp go NBA.
So I said, oh, I got it. They think I'm
an NBA dude. I locked in every since then, like,

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oh that's her, that's fine. That's what my senior year was.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Just like he was going crazy, bro.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
And I saw blood like I saw he was going crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's crazy. That's crazy that Nigga put on that year.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I was watching because we thought about in Atlanta, they
had you going to I to just go in the
draft room and ship look like see if they were
trying to replace me, I really yours.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
I worked out in Atlanta though, like for the draft,
that's where I was like my boot camp bat down there.
I was down here. I was working out with Tony
and I heard of it. It was in. It was
in like a little if I do it right here.
He had a house that's where I worked out at. Okay,
every day, twice a day. I was in there and
it was like hot in there too. Bro.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
They signed Brian Bro.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
The signed they How was your drying process, though, Bro? Like,
how many teams did you work out for?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
I did eleven workouts, so I knew my range was
like after lottery like fourteen to like early second round.
I knew like I was gonna go like I knew
I wasn't gonna go below Miami. Okay, So I worked
out for eleven teams. My agent wanted me to do
like two more, and I was like, nah, I'm not
doing too more. When I was tired, I was like

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after my eleventh one, I was like, I said, if
they don't think I'm good enough by now, I'm just
because I was exhausted because my senior year, I was
exhausted because coach wore me. I played every minute of
every practice, every minute of every game. So I was
like wore out and I didn't get a chance to rest.
Like after the season was over. I went to school
for like maybe one more month, and I left school early,

(18:48):
like I talked to the professors. I was able to
take some of my finals early, and then I started
getting ready.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
So I did eleven workouts and I was done.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Any of them. Teams ever be like we're taking you noors.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
No, because I know what. I wasn't hands on like
that because I ain't care. I'm coming from Cleveland State,
so I ain't had no ego. I was just like this,
whoever you put in front of me in these workouts,
I'm dog walking on. That was wod you killed?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's kind of guy?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Who you killed? I asked some who I have just.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Talking about your competitive workout?

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I don't I don't know everybody's name because I'm at
Cleveland State. I an't play, so I ain't really know.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know, now you know, Remember it was a basic.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I worked out against the guard from u C.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
L A.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
I think his name Malcolm Lee or something cool in
the league. For I know, I worked out what's the
guy from Kansas shell Uh, Josh Shelby.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
I worked.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
There mcamee from that was my guy What's the Good
from Michigan State?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That was all American Michigan State Lucasas. Yeah, you cook them.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
You have some as workouts.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
I worked out with a lot of people, Yeah, some hoopers.
A couple of my workouts I was with guys that
was like that. Like I worked out with what's uh
Changler Parsons.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
I worked out at Miami with him.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
We was on the same team. And be honest, we
played that day. We didn't do one on ones. We
did like three on threes and four and four.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Who was I think the Klay Thompson workout Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, I ain't gonna say you cooked him. I'm just
gonna keep it.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
I wouldn't say like that. It was one other cat.
I can't remember. Uh it was in Okay. See, I
can't remember who it was. But I cooked that whole workout.
Uh he went to Villanova. What's the dude him?

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Ye he cooked ye.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
So yeah, I'm gonna be honest though, all my.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Workouts I cooked. Just about I killed my workouts. I
believe it because I didn't. I didn't play like in
the A C.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
C term the Big East turn a surprise.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
That's how I know you cooked because it get picked
first round, Like, yeah, you gotta go on the workout
and improved someone like thin.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
It went crazy, especially from Cleveland State for.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Sure, and obviously know where you go end up in Miami.
You know he's gonna be apart. You know what I'm sing,
It's crazy. You know what I'm saying. You talk about
every point of your life. Senior year to get to college.
You know what I'm saying. D one, you went crazy,
win the chip, then you went courage and the tournament
went crazy last year. Now you get your league and
then you walk into one of the craziest situations in basketball.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
That was I ain't gonna lie. I was excited because
I always won, Like my high school we won, we
won in college in the Horizon League. So I wanted
to go somewhere where we can win. But I also
wanted to be a part of the winning. So when
I got drafted there, I'm like, I was happy, And
then like after the first day, I was like, all right,
I gotta get ready because they don't necessarily need me.

(21:48):
They went to the finals last year. Whatever me Like,
I gotta make my imprints so I can get on
the court. That's the first thing I started thinking about, Like, Okay,
I gotta get ready because if I don't do right,
I sent the bench the whole year. I didn't want
to go to the G League. You know, I want
to do what's called the the d lea. Back then,
I was like, I ain't never want to get regulated,
no offense to catch the dude. But like, I ain't

(22:09):
want to do that. Already did my four years of school.
I didn't want to do no more developing. I wanted
to develop on the big team. So first day I
was excited. Next day I was like, all right, it's
time to get to work so I can earn their respect.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
How was that first practice?

Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know, we had to lockout, oh ship, right, bro.
I worked out with Brin a couple of times because
he's from Ohio crib And it's funny. I worked out
in some Adidas. Bro. I walked in that man's house
in some some d Ros Adidas, and hey looked at
me crazy. That's how I got my Nike deal.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Okay, that's all.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was like one of his home. It was like,
why you wearing Adidas? I said, because they gonna pay me.
They giving me the contract. He said, Bro, what they
paying you? And I looked at him. He said, no, seriously,
what they paying you? Whatever? They paying you, the guy's
gonna call you tomorrow, and I'm like whatever. We finished
the workout and a guy from Nike called me the
next day and said, he, uh, what do you want

(23:02):
for us to switch you over to? And I told
him I should have uped it up. So I just
sent them the straight contract that gave me and I
switched to Nike that the next day.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
So I said.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
That story, that's a fire story.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
That's that's when I realized casts got real influence out here.
Like the next day, Cat from Nike said, hey, Norris, Yeah,
so what's your He didn't even say how you doing nothing?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Nor yeah, So what's the what's your contract with the
What do we need to do to sign you over?
Like send us your numbers so we can get that
team care of. I was like, cool, check your phone,
I'm gonna text you my contract. Just just give me this,
and that's what they did. But we ain't have practice
until December because our first game was Christmas. So we
had training camp two weeks in December and then we like,

(23:50):
so I didn't get to play summer League. I didn't
get to like have those pre workouts before, you know,
how you work out, come in before practice the young
dudes do before the first I didn't get to do
none of that. So it's like my first day of
practice was my first day of practice.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay, when you cracked the like lineup, like you get
a chance to get in the games.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
I knew I was gonna get in, like I knew
I was gonna get in, just because how I was
doing in practice in preseason. And they don't lie to
you in Miami like they they don't. They don't like
feed you like fools, go you know how something, Oh,
good job, fel you're gonna do that, and then you'd
be like, dang, I ain't play a minute. I knew
I was like preseason games, I was like playing and

(24:30):
coaching let me make some mistakes. And then in practice
I was holding my own in practice, so I was like, Okay,
he gonna play me. And then he told me, like,
you know, be ready, So that's all I need to hear.
He don't gotta tell me you're gonna play this mean
minutes because they say, I'm just happy to be there.
He just like, stay ready on a fella. And as
soon it was time that first substitution, I'm like, oh,

(24:50):
he's serious. Code going against Dallas on TNT because they
want a championship. They beat us and get me a game.
I was like, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
That Who is that matchup? When you first got in.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's why they drafted me though the small garden, So
it was JJ Breal Jet had went to the Celtics,
real Jet.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I'm the real Jet Jason, since we're talking about the
real jat he we ain't talking about either, no kidding.
Terry were setting up that lobe the craziest Lebron.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
We didn't think it was going to be that crazy
like because we had many like libs. But somehow it's
like that lived forever.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
What bro that play is crazy part of history.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
But at the time it happened, we didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
That nigga got killed a lot because of you.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
You didn't see who, you didn't see Jet.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
It didn't matter. I knew who was trailing. I was like,
can I can take the lay up or I can automatic?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's why you was perfect from Miami because I would
have shot the lay up, they would have been hit.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Was the ultimate teammate facts.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I can't say bro I didn't fight the system at
all at first. When I first got there, I was
shooting a lot. I was playing like hot Tod that
Cleveland State, and they didn't. They didn't reel me in
real quick. They let me do it. Cause my first
home game I had like twenty fourteen or fourth, I'm
realing it. So they waited till I had an off game.
As soon as I had an off game, they rilled
it in real quickpo was like, hey man, that wonder

(26:29):
will pull up with thirteen on the clock, fourteen on
the shot clock. That ain't what we want. That's Chris
Boss sitting that screen picking up Poppet. That's Ray Allen
standing over there. You know who Reyaliten is. I'm like, yeah,
that's the all time three point yeah. And that's that's
the way or the way Lebron one one was in.
It's like that's a that's Dwayne Wade, that's the franchise
leader in points over there. You came off and shut
to pull up three while they're watching you play that.

(26:51):
That ain't how we want to play, and I was
just like, but Coach, I can make it. He was like,
and he looked at me, and I said, never mind.
I said you right, So I said you're right. So
early in the o'clock, I'm coming off. Run into the
throw it, run into the corner because I want to play,
because they'll put you on that bench and bear you,
because it ain't nothing for them to be like, all right,
we're going with the big line up. Bron at the one,
d at the three, shame Ba at the four, Chris.

(27:13):
So if I didn't do right, that's what would have happened.
I didn't want that to happen. So I'm like, you
know what, cool, You ain't gonta say nothing else. I'm
gonna come off. That's why y'all used to know that.
Guards used to know.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I couldn't go back at him.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
That's why I wanted Remember when I said that about Mario,
it wasn't no disrespect.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
It wasn't we're gonna get to that too.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
But I was a little different than him though, because
I was more aggressive than him, Like I was feistier
he was. Yeah, I used to really like this. I
wouldn't guarden.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
That was gonna guard him because I mean he could shoot.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I know Mario.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I know because before like Bron got there, nigga, Mario
used to get to it. Yeah you know, but when
Bron got there, it was like different, and this is.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
How you have to run to the corner. Bro. It
ain't no I'm gonna try my getting Bro. He would
make he started doing stuff like this by the nails.
Next thing, you know, go sit down, sit down.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I knew that.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
See this is why I'll be saying like, I feel
like y'all just catch and I don't know if you
watch short, I feel like y'all just catch clips because Bro,
don't meet no malice behind the ship. It's just how
it should be clipped up. Because he was just saying,
ship if we in mother fucking Miami, I'm straight I
can go out because I know what Mario Finn do
the whole game, So I can go out to.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
The by the set of screen or he going to
the court. Yeah, it wasn't never like it was sad.
He never said anything like I know, y'all not sad.
I know because I know when people sit out, when
Brian d wait it out, they go for thirty for.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Sure, second that was different than our starter unit. So
that start unit, like you said, it was real, like, yeah,
let Brian and d Wade do a lot of that.
In the second unit. I can handle the ball sometimes
at least to initiate it. Eventually, I was gonna have
to get off of at least I can initiate and
we play a little faster.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
And y'all, y'all, y'all move it, especially when you had
d Wade. Y'all really moved it. Brian bron moved it,
but he did more like yeah, come here, Yeah, the
little guy comes up the screen, get the switch or whatever.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
But I used to feel bad though sometimes for me,
because I knew he could, you know, he could score
a little bit. But like like you said, like you're
talking about two of the best perimeter players and the
n CB was one of the top scores. You gotta
get on the rock.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It was just a man out.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I just pecking order, bro, and it's legit.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, none of the.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Bigg It was all three first about.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, off the best because.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Right off the minch and actually he was nice, bro.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It was just like, I know, you can't shoot that shot,
like you about to go off this picking roll. I'm
going under because you wont to shoot it, but I
know you can't.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, and I know you can make it, but you
can't shoot.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It because if you make her miss hitting, you canna
come out. You have you better make it. You make
it even if you make you somebody come out.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
No past with fifteen on the shot clock, pick and
roll three, you shoul don't make it.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Spoke and I spoke.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Starting line up is bron and D and c By
think they have to run back on.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I knew that because I used to do that with
Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Jamal. If I shoot the
ball and I don't make it, you're coming out.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
That's why I we wanting him to speak more because
niggas don't even understand the life. He really had to
leave out before. Chalmers like had to live that life already.
He walked into the league in that I been watching.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Tough but that's when I started playing. But before I
got there, we had Woodson. It was Io so like
I so old Joe. We had Jamal, who that's.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
God, Josh need that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Josh needed, Horford wanted, Marvin wanted.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Then we had other veterans I was just man, I
was just happy, Well we're going out tonight, And what's
so crazy both of your background because they were yeah
near my respect.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Though, like can open runs and in the summertime like
like in the pro whims and stuff. So like when
people come to Miami. That's how like everybody knew, like, nah,
he can hoop. He just playing his role. I never
wanted to be known as like, ain't nobody in the
league watched, But you don't never want to be known
as one of them dudes. It's like self check, ain't
no self check. I'm playing my role.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
But that's and see this goes to my but he
used to kill though, but norriskho That's why I think people,
like I said, when people watch our ship, they think
we di and know we understand it because this is
my nigga. I know where he had in. We used
to be mad at him for not going to get
thirty as your man's probably said, don't kill for sure,
you know what I mean, because we're not realizing the game.

(31:39):
But that's why I was like, ship, maybe a nigga
probably would take a hundred million over.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Over the rings.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Easy for me.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Hundred elms.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Niggas mad because it wasn't no slight to norse that' said.
But niggas don't talk about enough.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
That extreme is extreme. But I take, like, you know,
forty or fifty with my rings and not one hundred
with the rings. Didn't take a hundred with no rings though,
that's a tough extreme, though, one hundred or no, because
a hundred is crazy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It is unred is different.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
But I take the middle of the pack with the rings.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I feel that. I mean, you can still have
the same life.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
It's a lot like well we in the Midwest. That's
why we back here in the middleway, our bucks stretch
farther up.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, you got the same life.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
But to be known as a champion, bro, it's like
even if you win the best player, Like I was
a role player, but I played though, so anywhere that
time I go somewhere, it's like I get in rooms
that normally I wouldn't like other NBA players wouldn't be
able to get into just off a GP, like no,
that's cold. He played for the championship team that he
he good in here like yes, and I've seen that
happen in real life. I was going to a real

(32:44):
like VIP spot where it was like only fifty people
in there and I ain't had no invite. I just
happened to know it be dripping seeing it and I
was like, oh let me. It was like, oh, co
come on. And then the boss men, I was like,
oh yeah, no, Champion, he good and I'm like, Dan,
that's what it is. That's all it was.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
And we always talking about relationships being worth more than money,
so we funk with that for sure. We was just
that was the nature of the topic. My nigga one
hundred ms yeah, or do you want this more fucking ring?
And we found out that niggas was selling them more
fucking rings. The chick on tim streets selling that mother
fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
You heard me something not because we ultimately played to
take care of your family, yes.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Bro, and that's all we say. It wasn't no hate,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Because I said Mario give up his ring for a
hunter Man for a Max deal. That's what I said.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I said, you give I was back then, it was
not like the are now.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Even back then talking about right now with the players
was getting We never niggas saying.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
I got this nigga up in this chair. Nigga, that's
all I even I get my ring up for a million?
Yeah right now, because you still know as a champion.

(34:05):
That's all I would say exactly, like I don't need
the actual ring. But if they said you can't.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Win around, are you talking about the actual ring ring?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Not that?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
But I'm just saying the champion I want.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
It's not being a champion, like would you be a
champion for less money or would you like not want
to be a champion.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't want you.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
I don't want to give a champion a champion. I
don't give you want to respect because you're still getting
to it. Yeah, I'm still respect, bro, and you a killer,
but I'm saying you knocked it down fifty percent. Niggas
talk about the Hunter. What you're doing for that Hunter?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
As I said, yeah we did.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
That was so appropriate that say, would you take fifty
million your rings or James Harden, I'm taking fifty in
my rings ship James two rings and fifty what James
hard touch power hundred?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah I got you.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I remember though, for me and my what I value, Yeah,
fifty minute, I can get anything I want. I mean,
how many mentions can you get.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
And you come from humble beginners like us, and.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
You know, a million West. You know in the mid West,
a million dollar crib up here, in a million dollar
crib in Miami or l A is two different lifestyles.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
No, for sure, I'm saying your life is gonna be normal.
But for me, three hundred million, what you want to do?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Like you can't spend it all?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Ship You're just saying my kids, kids, my mama, other kids.
You get that you want Nigga was careful.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's not that, but careful Now that's I mean, I
am shout out to that. But I'm taking the fifty.
I know what fifty can do because I'm still gonna
live where we outlive at. You're gonna be You're gonna
live good.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
But four hundred dogs you can figure something different. One hundred.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Live where I live somewhere worst Still, that's crazy. Like
you your first year in the league, got a ring?
How was that feeling? Rookie ye out the NBA lockout year?
Crazy shit?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
And you get a championship.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
It's gonna sound bad, I mean as humbly as possible,
but I thought that's how it's supposed to be. That's
what I thought how it was supposed to be. In
high school, That's how it was. We won the state
I went to Cleveland State. We won two conference championships.
So I'm like, this is what you're supposed to do,
you win chips. I ain't realize until the first year
we didn't win it. I was like, oh. And then
the next year when I got traded, like my fourth

(36:37):
year whatever, I got traded and played in New Orleans.
We lost the first round. I was like, oh, this
NBA life is different. Then when I didn't make the playoffs,
suicide watch like, like, what is going on?

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Like?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
So I thought it was normal, honestly, bro, I was like,
this is what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
What was it like when you finally like when you
got traded.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Was a little I didn't know how to feel. I
was like a fish out of water because the team
didn't call me and tell me. I found out on
the ticker. D then found out on the ticker, and
then my agent. My agent didn't call intil it was official,
because when on the ticker, it don't be official. It
just be the paperwork winning, but you know behind the scenes.
So but once it became final. My agent called me

(37:16):
and I was like, I'm going to New Orleans. I'm like,
I'm going to Miami. To New Orleans, that's a whole different.
Like yeah, and guess who. The first game was against Miami.
I didn't even move out of my apartment. I stayed
in my apartment. New Orleans flew in, I met the
team at the hotel, went back to my apartment, and
didn't played Miami the next day, damn. And we won too.

(37:38):
But I was salty a little bit though, because I
thought I was gonna play my whole career. That's when
I learned the business of the NBA, because I thought
I was gonna play my whole career in Miami.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
You got busy though.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Let me.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I like going there because I was able to show
what I could do.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, they let you rock.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It was a cool city though.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I like coming from Miami, though, I mean, nothing cool
come from you go to Miami. You had a decent team, though.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm saying it was nicey Miami. You gotta damn there,
go to New York to even like experience.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Like, I mean, you can go to like Houston or Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Houston, Atlanta, but like Miami is just like when you
touch down, I ain't gonna lie every time we touch
down Miami, like.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I got happy ship, Like I'm about to go Prome
on twelve.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
We about to play the heat Tom all the gym
gonna be hot, like it ain't gonna be You know,
you no offense to Philly fans, but when you go
to Philly in it during the season, it'd be freezing
when you go to shoot around. You got the world
hoodies and all this ship. I used to hate playing
there New York. You go, if y'all go practice at
the garden, it's gonna be freezing.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
W just be wow, be honest. You know how people
be excited about to play in the garden.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I ain't get that adreoling So I don't think you.
Was it remodeled when you first got in the league.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
When I first got it wouldn't remin bottle yet. So
we had the old dressing rooms.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Then you have to put all your clothes up because
they like the roaches and rats getting your ship.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
You gotta keep them up high. I was like, yeah, lying.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Seen the rats though underneath when we walked to them.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
They like, bro, keep your clothes up there. You can't
even like lamb. I'm like, damn, we went.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
To a this is crazy and don't put no smoot
on my name, but went to the Bad Boys Reunion tour.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
The Guard.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
You tell me that weekend it's Philip Collins fault because
with for his birthday and he loved He not like that.
But I did wait for my niggid birthday party the time.
That's my best friend, and I ain't because I knew
so them rats in that guarden is it's real, bro, I.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Felt you know how people feel about the Guards. I
felt like playing like that in Chicago play there. Anytime
I played Chicago ball like that was like my are
playing there looking up there seeing two three. They had
to hollow the light. How the light used to hit it.
I used to be like the goat up there, like
let's get to it. That's how I felt every time
that studio goat.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Damn, I ain't like playing in Chicago. What's your favorite
place by Utah?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Really?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, I'm not even being funny. I had I
had great. I've never not played good in Utah. The court,
you know how the backdrop is so close. The fans
is right there. It's like shooting in the high school
gym here, Indiana. Like when you shoot Indiana, know that
the fans right behind the go.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I used to like here because like I knew the
whole I used to be deep. Yea, I need fifty
tickets this game because Dayton is like ninety minutes away.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, but I just talking about the backdrop. I know
I was gonna have good games, like Philly. Hated playing Philly.
The backdrop was so crazy. I'm like, I hate playing here.
Damn Boston. I had some good games and ball. I
like the crowd was great in Boston, So I like
playing in Boston.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
You remember your best moment in the NBA from straight
from a hooping's perspective, selfish, like where he was getting
tour in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Uh, the weekend I got my my jersey retired at
Cleveland State. We played. I was in New Orleans. We
played at Cleveland. Okay, and like my parents and stuff,
Cleveland State, the whole school came to my game afternoon.
They had raised my jersey and the raptors I had
like twenty six and eight on them.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Okay, that's hard, bro, that's the hell of a moment, right,
that's far that was.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
That was my favorite. That was probably like my favorite moment.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Okay, getting your jersey retired in school, that's hard, like
that was.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
That was the best. The only thing that was better
was going into a hall of fame at the school. Damn,
because I didn't realize that's different. Hall of fame is
like different than like just getting your jersey retire.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, I wouldn't know. Don't with me.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
I think, wait for you gotta have degree. Yeah, I
think every school is like that. So I think Steph,
they haven't retired put him in the Hall of Fame
at Davidson yet, and that's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I'm like, you know, there should be exception ship should
be that should be excepted.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Come on, bro, game, I've seen people rocking zero way
for it so bad I just stopped looking. I'll never
forget they slewnging that jersey. I'll never forget the first
I made. I was All American by sophomore year, so
they like, you all American? How you do is graduate,
We're gonna retire your jersey. He's like, we don't have

(42:21):
many all Americans.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
I'm like, damn for real.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
The next year that maybe two years dude named Cody
McIntyre rocking that mother Cody Visious was not hooping it
that bitch. I'm like real zero, at least get some buckets.
He actually a good player now though I'll see I'm
watching games overseas. He actually be to see mac man.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
He could have went online had somebody. Don't you have
somebody you know I'm in a transfer port.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I'm in a transporport right now. I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I'm trying to somebody. You got money, I try to
go to University of Phoenix. I'm going to transfer everything.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
I ain't going to I c d C.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You with the I c d C.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Give me my honorary to get to agreed quick.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Man, I'm for the I P I what do yourself?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
I wanted to ask you though, hold on before we
keep going though, when you want to come on, that's
your get back respect when in that first because he
had like we got a power with this nigga. He
has the worst championship experience ever. Okay, can you just
speak for what you can't speak on?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Like?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
How was that? Like that?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Like I heard so that's old? Ours was live. First
of all, we won on the first one on Sunday,
we all know on Suturday, and then the next one
we went on a Thursday, which is story Thursdays. So
it was it was like didn't sleep until the sun
was coming up. I didn't get back home to like

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seven am, like it was his experience. And we parted
for like after a week, you don't want to party
no more. We parted for like a week, and then
we had the parade, and then after that, nobody want
to party. We want to go on vacation.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Wait a minute, you had a parade a week after
between the parade was the next day, wasn't.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
No, it was like three days.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Yeah, well, you know, no offense. You know, Milwaukee is
different than Miami. Rally do things top not and you
know they call it heat Nation, which people don't know.
Heat Nation is built up of like little communities like
Little Haiti, Little Havana, Miami Gardens, Liberty City. So we
drove around the whole wasty like, we went around the

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whole grounds. So like we started at one place, we
went through every little high leada, we went through every
little hood and then it circled all the way back
to the steps.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yeah, it was tough. That was tough.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I asked you this question. Obviously he was around you
saying everything for it. How was that feeling when you've
seen ray Allen? You know what I'm saying, step back
and knocked that bitch down.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You see how that nigga was about.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Play?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
That was.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
If you ain't supporting me, like how I was more
than came. Oh god, bro, I said that nigga is
heard right, Ladies ain't supporting.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Listen, if y'all teammates, If y'all ain't supporting y'all teammates,
and y'all people like that, they're not real. I was
genuinely happy, like yo, because we know it looked like
we was gonna lose. We never said that. We never
said dangs.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
We was just like just taking one play at the time,
that's all we said. So when he hit that shot,
I was like, oh, we're about to win. That's the
biggest shot in NBA history up until that point. I
was like, yeah, and is he practiced that though? He
practiced backpell and shooting, and we used to be like, right,
like he's just just for balance, that's all he would say, just,
you know, just just for balance. And he didn't take

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a look if you watched the film, he didn't take
one look down at the ground. He back pedaled and
caught that mother feet down.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And damn yo, that Lebron legacy would be damn different.
It'd be different, different conversations. Hell, yes, Lebron's legacy. I mean,
not how great he is, but into how people comparing him.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
It wouldn't even be none.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Like because if he lost to the Spurs, it would
have been been three times in a row. Would have
been crazy because that would have been the second time
he would have lost, because Rember lost.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
He lost in Cleveland. So if he would have got that, yeah,
and that Wasallas.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
The Big three Dallas, then we won. Then would have
lost him ugly.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
It would have been like that.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
But people be saying that, but like, we would have
never even been in that point in the game if
it won for Bron, we was down and then he
took over like.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
That, and then we.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Know how.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Ruined a lot of my playoff experiences. But Bron is
he is. Really don't get no better than Bron. But
I'm just saying, you know what I was saying. You
know how people look at it like Mike got six, Kobe.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Got fim able to start doing the reports like, oh
he lost when he had Dwyane Wade and Chris but
he lost twice, that.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Would have been a big hit. I don't. I don't
say Jordan's though, just because of it, just because of
the rings. It ain't just because of that. But you're thinking,
I mean all I mean, just when I watch basketball,
I never seen nobody better than Michael Jordan's from an
impact perspective, from a fundamental like Jordan was the most
fundamentally sound player and the most athletic, Like bron do

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stuff that can't nobody practice. You can practice all day,
you can never do what you do just because of
like his one leg shots and stuff like that. You
can't practice shooting like that. He's that's like the gift
that he got. Like so he he has stuff that
you can't even practice doing.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
That's why I think he's the greatest.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
But I mean, what's the craziest shit you ever You've
seen Brown do?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Practice? Bro stuff, He's doing practices, stuff that never made
it to the court was open, like it was one
practice him in. D Wade got to going at it
and it was like we was like, oh, goodness. Here
there you go. It was just basically two basically like
playing one on one in practice, but it was just
four other cats out there. Yeah, but it was him
like proving a point that he was different, because d
Wade is different too, like for y'all don't know he is,

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he's an alien too. But like Wade was like, you know,
hit a couple and it was started to be like, oh,
it's about to be one of them practices, so everybody
playing super hard. And then he started making shots that
nobody can make like he started Greg Olden was in
our practice, tell me no practice. He started like going
shooting shots like wrong wrong leg, left hand, hooked layups.

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He started like doing like almost like Michael Jordan Leb's
not looking and then he ad run down and look
at pat right like I know, I know it's different.
I know d Waye, y'all boy, but I know different.
He would be doing stuff like that, and I'm like.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
I.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Like not because that would have said some ship like that.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
I was in there like he ran he was. He
was like, I know, he's like, I know, it's crazy.
It's different. He come down shoot you know from wherever stuff.
When he come down do stuff like that, and you
just be like, all right, bro, let's let's move on
to the practice the same the same proof, and now
we get it, like.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
He's got to You got to experience the pocket telling
that Nigga matching point for point.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
You way, people don't understand that he can really he's
really a score. He let the media take that past first. There.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
He lets you all run with.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
It, and he ran with it.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
But he's led to every.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Team he's ever played on inside attemps except one year,
and he's led the league in like top five. I
have been shot attempts every year of his career, like
he'd be tricking y'all thinking, but that's his name.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
That's how he played the game. Though, just because I
think because he's so versatile and how great of a
pastor he really is, it kind of overshadows like.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
He's an all time leading scorer.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Let me tell you how crazy it is. You know,
it's like he's the all time leading scorer, but he's
never led the league in assists, but people say he's
the best pastor in the game.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
You know how crazy that is because it's his vision,
I believe, though.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Not for sure, but saying it's dudes that actually average
tennis system, you know what I mean. Like, but Magic
Johnson's Isaiah Thomas. Like when seasons where they average like
twelve assistance, they still and Ron and they still say
like he's the best passor they've ever seen. So I'm like, bro, he.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Because his eyes, Bro, I think.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
So he's not fooling people because let me tell you,
niggas bucket, he cares about scoring.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Bro, No, I believe it.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
He can score you saying you can outscore him. Bugget
for buckets, Sean Jackson with that, bro, it ain't too many.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
But they went Dela Dover and I was like, I
was killing and he was like you better keep that
ship going then and I was like, nigga ain't gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
And he was like, well see if you go out
score me. I was like, yeah, I had nineteen, what
you end up with thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I've only seen him get outdoored one time. I was living.
Only seen Bron get outdoored or like they was going
at it and somebody outdoing him. I only seen it
happen when I was there one time, and that was
when uh and he got his get back, so it
didn't matter but like that was when when Kate when
we played OKAYC on Christmas and he went for like
thirty something and KD went for thirty something. K might
have had one or two points more, but like they

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was out there dueling to the point where it was like, okay,
whichever one of them is the league scorer, that's what
whose team was going in? And I seen many duels
like that because when d Rose we played them, Yes, sir,
the only reason we beat Chicago is because the Rose
had I think, like thirty four and Brian had like
thirty five. And when we would go out and play Mellow.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Like it was like whoever about to say mellow? The
matchups was crazy, but.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
It would be not so much Bron because Bron was
what he would do, but whoever played better between Paul
George and Daddy Granger and d Wade was gonna be
who won. And d Wade used to get active against them.
He used to especially the playoff time like like no,
like no threes. He was like thirteen for twenty twenty
five all field goals.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Like yes, I was like, and what's crazy? Even though people,
I mean, we lost them, but it was battles.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Though it was battles, not Indiana used to make us
go through it. It was that was what It changed.
That verticality rule though here with the max.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Player now right here, but changed the game.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I'm still we had a young PG too. We still
slip her.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Career Brian Brian dominant, yeah, y'all and.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
In there too we came off the miss Our best
game was like, what's the different because starters if you
look at the starters, like the score, it was about even.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Talking about the Norse.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's crazy that y'all bench was the bench I had though,
like having Shane, Baddy and Ray Allen come out of
the bench Mike Millers, like the dudes is nice, Like
I couldn't believe you had some of them on the minimum,
like as a playing for the Hawks, Like we would
have loved to have Ray Hellen for that, Like you
know what I mean, Like how y'all you know I remember.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
All of them was like a hundred million dollar dudes.
Though Mike Miller made crazy Bread crazy with a max.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
But like listen, we would have gave y'all probably five
six minutes just to come to the super like you
probably wouldn't have been a role player. You would have
been our guy. I always want to ask media, I
wonder how like that beef between him and Boston played
O friend to go to Miami were because I feel
like any any continuent would want to out at the

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time period.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
But Ray was trying to win and we had a
need for him.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
That's the fact we had.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
He He could have went anywhere fit, but we had
an actual need because Mike Miller I got back injury,
and you know, we had James Jones. But James Jones
was like a specialist shooter, you know, shout out the champ.
He was a specialst shooter. But we needed him in
that second unit and we put the way we play
like played start unit, so we would like get up

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and down, and so we had a direct need and
so he was like, I come come there. The beef
with Boston was just like salt on the wound. That
was just like because he would have came anyway, like
if he was coming from like Milwaukee or somewhere, he
came to Miami. But that beef he had with them,
that was just like I felt him though, because it's
like they appreciated him the way they I can't say that, bro,

(54:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Used to play with him. I'm speaking from a fan
that's you know you fuck are right? I do too,
but I'm saying you was in the gym, but I
feel like him leaving them to go to mic pulling
up on y'all. From the outside, it looked crazy how
my nigga don't.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Feel the rivalry is like it was want to be
one so bad bro real, because I just always felt
like they ain't give a funk about Miami, like everybody
else in the league was kind of like besides like okay,
see in the Spurs in Dallas, Chicago too, Yeah, but
everybody else kind of like, all right, we ain't gonna

(55:28):
beat them, Like in Atlanta. We wanted to play them,
but we I thought we could have beat y'all when
we had Joe that team when I wasn't like my
second year, I'm like star game.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Nah, we col beat them that year. Hell no.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
But when I had when it was Joe, Jamal, Josh
Marvin and I was coming off the bench, then they
still had bit. I'm like, we can compete with them.
Now we got we match up. We can switch one
through five and you coming off the bench, yeah fast
for yeah, yeah, but I'm like, we match up with
Bron and now Kurt Hiary came. They traded Bid we

(56:03):
got That's when Bid went there, we got kur Haml.
We can match up with him. We can play them
now we probably wasn't a beat up, but we could
match up.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
I ain't realize till after I left. We can match
up with any team. It's just a matter of we
would just play different. Like whatever team was gonna do something,
we would just adjust our personnel. So like when we
realized Chris Bosh, because Chris had been working on that
three ball for a while, he just never incorporated and
we remember he heard itself and came back from injury.
That's when we started playing small ball with him at

(56:32):
the five. Once we realized we could play like that,
we was like, however, teams want to play. If the
team want to go big, we would just c B
at the four, Birdman or u d or Joel Anthony
play just make it ugly. Teams want to play pretty
and go small ball. Ce B go to the five,
Bron to the four, Shane Battie and Guarth the four,

(56:53):
d Way Ray me or Rio and then we had
just playing like that, so we could play any style.
And if you wanted to play iol ball, which nobody
really wanted to play because d Wade was a real
iceold player. Nobody wanted to play possession ball with us
except San Antonio. There was the ultimate possessed team. With
everybody else, they knew they had to play a little
fast because all we had to do was throw the

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ball to d Way on the wing, throw the ball
to CV at the you know, run that horns.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Actually that was a nightmare and a half o man.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
And then you you're gonna help off somebody and Shane
Batty is gonna knock it down, but or Mike Miller,
they're gonna knock it down. So like I realized when
I left, I was like, man, we could have played
any style. Like people say, how would y'all compete against
other championship teams? I'm honestly we could compete against any
team because we could play any style. Its just a
matter of us changing our personnel around.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I like playing against you because you'll used to hedge
like college, I used to split them fucking ball screen.
So I can't wait to play. I know we might
not win. Well, I'm gonna have a good ass game.
I'm gonna get summed out the crowd.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Stop doing that. It took us a long time to
get out of doing that.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna get smmed out of the crowd. Damnigga
out there, kilt.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Let me get hurt, because boy, you used to have
some good games. Yeah yeah, because the ball I'm like
the only stayed splitting the boss college.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
But then I hated people who sat back because you
had to play in the MIDI little pocket. You couldn't
shoot threes because they a fight over, so you had
to play in the midi by shot floaters.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But they head something like let me get down here.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
I was opposite. I didn't like when teams were his
because it was hard to make the pass out of
the head didn't come off of the score anyway, so
they would be like in the drop or like a
semi drop. T B was the best in the pocket past. Yeah,
so I used to practice it, learn how to skip
it like so it bounced right to a shooting pocket.
And then with Shane Battier, he gonna pop offway to
the three. So like you the got guard, you will

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stay on your hip.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You just stretched, stretched, stretch and then pass wide open?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Do that with Al Horford? Yep, Yeah, I gotta ask man.
We see Pat bav doing it now. You know what
I'm saying. You had your time in NBA. You know
what I'm saying. How was that transition going to playing
overseas because a lot of people get a misconception like
there's a lot of great hoopers everywhere in the world,
but it's a totally different game, especially a lot of
people seeing with the feeverball. How was that to go
back to Justin's Like you said, you in the league,
you learn your role till you get your own company.

(59:19):
Now you're back to playing basketball a little bit the
way you wante to. How was that to go back?
It's a little bit more refreshing that way.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Nah, for real. Like people were saying stuff about Pat Bev,
they don't understand he's trying to like in his career
playing ball the way he grew up playing ball. He
wanted to love it and like be himself. And when
you go overseas, that's what you expect they expect you to.
If you're from America, you American guard, and you go overseas,
they expect you to kill.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Listen, when I say he was on the same with
Indian Legendshaon Thoms. I said, oh yeah, it's all about
putting buckets up out there, and I know what he all.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
That's that's all it was about, Bro. And it's like
the game is different. So people be saying like it's
harder to play fever. To me, it's not. It's just
a matter of what your skill set is, like if
you can play, if you got ones, good ones, and
like you can shoot a little bit, you can play
overseas because you're too fast for some of their guards
to play one on one. Like, nobody one on one

(01:00:06):
is gonna stand in front of me in Europe. It's
it's slow like getting there. Difference is when you get
to the realm, it ain't Dwight Howard back there blocking it.
So you got a chance to actually do layups. You know,
the play guards are block your shot, let alone the centers.
So overseas, that's why they don't have no three seconds.
They can just camp in the lane. There's some giants

(01:00:28):
out there, Bro, like seven three casts, seven four cats
out there. And you learn also how to like pass
on time on target, because if you don't pass on time,
the whole rhythm of the offense that you're running out
there will be bad because they not one on one player,
so they depend on you passing to them on time.
So I became like real precise. But I was used
to it from playing Miami. So they was like, hey,
you know what, you can score, but you can pass

(01:00:49):
better than what I'm like, I just spent seven years
passing to like the best players in the world, and
if I threw a bad pass, it was like come
out there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
That helped.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
That makes you basketball again though, because like you love basketball,
playing your role, but like sometimes you just want to
be yourself. And when I my five years I played
in Europe, I was able to go back to Cleveland
state style, like coast to coast, no dribble, come down,
no pass, puller good and get next. Yeah, for sure, for.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Sure that's fire. Like you said, like the business of basketball,
a lot of time gets in a way. We talk
about so many people we know, like we talk about
the Mike Bees Joe crowd. We know could score the
best of them. But the business and basketball can kind
of make you, you know what I'm saying, put yourself
in the shell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
But then a lot of people don't come out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
So kudos.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
You know what I'm saying that you're get your opportunity
back to do what you do best and still want
to hold because a lot of people shit you nine eight, nine,
ten years of doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You was like, I ain't even trying to go back
to that type shit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Nah, for sure. That's why a lot of the guards
overseas that are really good, they don't come back to
the league because they're like, Bro, I can't go back
to city on the bench, Bro, no matter how much,
even if I'm getting vat minimal like guys like Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
James, Shane most buckets ever over there, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Know, saying them to Shane Lark and Mike James out
there getting busy out there. None Kendrick Nunney out there.
He just want to win the championship. It was m
VP like, it's a bunch of guys Ronde, Hollis, Jefferson.
He oversees one of the coldest international players in the world.
Bro can no like see Ron Day, but to come
back to the NBA and then be relegated. Some dudes

(01:02:23):
ain't with me to do that, and they paying you
like they're paying you nice. Once you prove, once you
go out there and your proven year man, they can
pay you a livable ways where you like eating good
and always say it's spend the same no matter where
you get it from ehere, b And you get to
live in places where people pay the vacation like the

(01:02:44):
MafA Coast. I played in the Mafia Coast out the Italy.
I played in Tel Aviv, I played in Malaga, south
of Spain. I played in like the capitol of Montenegro,
so like fake real vacation spots, like just like Puerto Rico.
Like so it's like, you know, people be paying big
money to go. I'm living out there for them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
That's what I'm just about to ask you, the lifestyle adjustment.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
The food is so good out there, that's the best
part about it. Damn because novatives time.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
I heard it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
But the fruit be like real fruit. It ain't all
that fake sugar and stuff. And the food out there
is fresh, there's no the foods. And then then the
views out there, nice views.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I heard that about that. The foods good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
I got.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I had a real Italian pasta bro spaghetti from Italy,
like an Italian man made it bro like the chef.
I was like, and then a real pizza, not that
greasy stuff that we'd be having, real Italian pizza. I
was like, I see why guys don't want to come back.
I see why guys getting married out there and stay out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
There crazy being positive, my boy, Yeah, I'm here to
kill you here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
You ain't no, yeah, ain't no, ain't no Italian last year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Perfection, Tony's gonna be in that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
You could have loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
You would have liked it, though, at least for one year.
In one of two years, the only you would to like,
it's a long season.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I had a chance to go to Barcelona, but I
just then for rom When I first retired, they wanted
me to come out there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I just they always try to pluck the freshly retired.
They always tried to I was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Like, Jacob pull was out there for Barcelona. Yeah, I
don't know who's out there. I was like, man, hell now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Now you made you get enough damage to where you
ain't I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Should have went through. It's been a cool experience, but
I'm so like homebody. That's why I live in Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Tell me that's why I live in. That's why I
live in Dating.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I'm home.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
I quit going back out there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
It would take a lot for me to go back
out there. Yeah, I find the leads to play because
ten months is like that's damn, but they'd be out
some cast be out there. Training can't start in August, Bro,
they want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
You way August through May. Like, how would I be
able to podcast?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Your team is good? June when I played for Tel Aviv,
we won the Israeli Championship. I left at the end
of August. I didn't get home till June twenty something, Bro,
or June, like the last week of June. I was like,
this is crazy. Happy you win the championship. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, I heard. Tel Aviv nice though, the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Nicest place in the world. To be honest with you,
it's like Miami, New York, and San Francisco all in one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I ain't mad to be out there for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
They got the beach. They got the beach, they got
the skyline like New York, and they got all the
tech like house you know, San Francisco.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
Short vibes. Yeah, that's for a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
The baby.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
You gotta give me some real chickens out there. If
I'm in the NBA, though, yeah, you go to another
you're gonna get some millionaire a year you don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
I'm just saying, like, Brad, you're really a homebody like that,
Like I'm a home by the money into it though.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
The money was cool, but my mind wasn't there. Would
about the money if your mind ain't in it, if
you can't do the grind, right, that's what. That's why
I stopped going out there as much, because it's like
basketball is basketball. But I'm like, man, ten months is
too long for one too, Like I want to be
at home now, like I pay my dues. I'm a
veteran now, like I should be to fly home and
sleep in my bed sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
So it's like now, my mind wasn't ready for nothing
like that, bro, And.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
They talk crazy to you sometimes I would matter who
no matter who you are, they yes, bro, every now
and then like you're a foreigner, Bro, that's exactly right
there at home. I would have left, would have been
like crazy ally to take you the cavary two days
to get out there. Yeah, they can't come cavalry pulling up.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
My niggas got passed Port, She laughed. She talking about
I'd have been a count of thrashop you talking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
About came.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Mister Greeley.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Really, that's what miss Well they got damn jumped off
the ropes together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That's miss Greeley. Put the name put it back in
his intros. Back man, you, Jeff Harty, Robert Cavary.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Hey, Im fun.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
Surreal Cavry, the Top turn Man, Great Jelly Boys, and
the fact.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
It's like that out there though.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
I mean respect hey man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Shout out to everybody overseas getting to it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Man, we appreciate it before we get up out of
here at Norris, Man, we appreciate you sliding on us, man,
telling people that can find you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
At Big Up. You can find me on Instagram Norse
Cold with the blue check mark, okay PG thirty on
the score Cold on the Twitter TikTok Norse Cold thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
My boy be out here catching my gills, ringing to
get into it. Man, for sure, we appreciate you sliding.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
On us man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Yeah, West, I've been trying to get over here. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
You know what I'm saying. We allowed to make it happen.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm still shitty but.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Let that go.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Before we got to here be tell the people that
can't grasp some our chat hold on, Norris, What was
that score again?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Eighty three sixty nine State wait for us, Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Shop Club twenty dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Hey my co fucking me, shout that ship up. Up
the volume,

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