Club Shay Shay - Andrew Schulz Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Drake A kindred Oh I mean Kendrick One.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's not even a question, right like he won? Of
course he won.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Of course go the other way cause y'all y'all had
a little prea.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Now I'm still objective, like I prefer Drake's music. Of course,
SOA's death. So does the rest of the world.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, ped Price,
one slice got the products sat all my life. I've
been grinding all my life, all my life and drowning
all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, ped Price, one slice got
the product geis sat all my life. I've been grinding

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all my life.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I
am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the pride of
Club Sha Sha. And today we're at Spotlight l A
stopping by for conversation and to drink. Today he's taken
the comedy world by storm. He's one of the most
daring and dynamic voices on the planet today. He's widely
recognized for his no whole bar styles of stand up,
straightforward humor, and razor shark whip. He's praised for testing

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boundaries with his writing and his approach to devices the
most divisive topics.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
He pushed the.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Limits on stage, on screen, online reshaping and redefining the landscape.
He's known for his fearless crowd work, wild opticup interaction,
and cutting edge commentary. He drawn some of the most
diverse audience among any working comedian globally and nationally recognized
as selling out arenas Madison Square Garden, The Forum, and
the crypt dot Com Arena on back to back nights.

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A pioneer and director, Fan Content Distribution has one of
the most watched comedy specials on YouTube. He's been the
most viewed comic on YouTube twice. He's also went number
one on the Billboard Comedy Album Charts. Ituned, Apple Music, Amazon, Angle, Globe,
Google Play. He's renowned for being social media savvy and
a marketing genius. A top tier talent actor, podcaster, director, producer, host, businessman,

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creator who isn't afraid of controversy, unfiltered, unapologetic, unavasted personality.
Some call him the People's He lives by the saying,
everyone's gonna get these jokes.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
Andrew, Wow, that's amazing that you bro.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I watched I watched, I watched you dude, Gillies.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, and uh, I just seeing him get so excited
with that big hat are you? And I was imagining
what I was gonna walk into and that is that
is pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Thank you when you hear all of that. Yeah, what
do you think?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm just embarrassed if I'm gonna be totally honest, you know,
I I just yeah, I mean, it feels great. It
feels very cool, you know, but it's uh yeah, that's
that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, you know what he got me off guard here? Man,
Well you're not rarely off guard?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Really. Yeah, this is my personal cognact.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I know.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
I'm gonna congratulate you on the Netflix that's out now,
Thank you, bro?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
You doing it?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You're doing it? Man, I try cheers. Ah, well that's good.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
We'll take another.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, take another one.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
He won't see he talks. And today I'm not talking
about eight comedians. I'm not talking about eight comedians. All
comedians are great, all of them. We love all comedians.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, who were talking about?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Whoever you watch? Okay, So how you feeling today?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I feel good?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You feel good?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Are you bigger now or when you played? Uh?

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Now, I don't have I mean I played it two
twenty eight. I'm about two forty five fifteen. Yeah, Jesus, yes,
I don't. I don't have to have the Are.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You on anything peptides or anything like? No, you look magnificent.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I work out. I eat you bad what I eat?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
If you didn't work out, I would shoot myself right now.
I mean, it's unbelievable. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Right well, I've always been in shape, you know, growing
up how I grew up, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And I was talking off camera earlier, growing up on
a farm.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, your story is it's just so unbelievable. Because
I was telling you four I was like, I'm researching you,
like your your life. I first started obviously I watched
the beautiful speech that you gave that was for your
your recognition, but you made it about everybody else in
your life, which I thought it was a really beautiful
moment and usually only happens when somebody feels really full,

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you know, and we feel full, we can't have the excess,
we can give it to use people, and like making
that moment about them, I thought.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Was just incredible. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I got a little emotional lie and just watching your
brother exhale through his mouth.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
There's that moment where he just goes He's like, I'm
not about to cry for all these people right now,
I won't cry. Yeah, it's beautiful, It's great.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I appreciate it. Man, thanks for joining us. Yeah, checked
us out.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
I read on Instagram where you said fans said you're
one of the last people on earth who can be
canceled or never canceled. When you hear comments like that
given your approach to comedy, Yeah, what do you.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Think what goes through your mind when you hear stuff
like I, oh.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
No, like what is being canceled anymore? What do you
think being canceled? Well, you almost got canceled when you
were doing a porn or whatever. I know what really happened?
Can I get like the offscreen of that that was?
It was?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
It just you two on the bed just going like
this and not even have I need the security camp footage.
You've just been pants harder, you know what.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I wish that had never happened, but you know, no,
you don't.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
It was amazing embarrassing for hell yeah, really, why I've
never been on ig line?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That was the embarrassing part.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, I mean think about it.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
The first think about it, your first four rate into
I G line and that's what you get.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't think that that would be
with no.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
I mean, look, I'm a very private person, and for
me to be put my family in that situation because
now I'm the type of guy I don't like anybody to.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Explain anything for Shannon. Because now you.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Ask my sister, you ask my brother, you ask my kids,
they have to offer an explanation for Shannon, Shannon the
grown man. Grandfather also, so I should be able to
answer question for myself. Your granddad, Yeah, I'm about to
be two times granddad. My son's about to have tell
why you was embarrassing. It was very embarrassing. I mean look,
first of all, I'm on the Disney I would I

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work for the company that got the mouse with ears.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But we were rooting for you.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I just now we weren't everybody tuned in because we
wanted to see the work, you know what I mean.
We're like, I think Shannon putting him work over here, dude,
like I did.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I quitted the fifty year old really quite well, why
are you comfortable going after so many groups? Why why
do you feel that your no whole bars approach is
the best way to drive head first in the CLU.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't go after anybody, That's the way I look
at it. I mean, everybody gets these jokes.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's how you feel.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, Like I'm just curious about people, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
And uh, it's just so I don't know if it's
grown up in New York where we had all these
different you know, yeah, it's just everybody's so different. Like
my friend group was completely different, and there are these
little idiosyncrasies about each person that were just so funny,
and I was just interested about it. And then uh,
and like learning about these different groups was just great.
So I kind of learned, and I dig in and
I try to find something that maybe, you know, they

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would never expect a guy like me to know about.
And what I've seen is is usually when you make
fun is somebody and it's not like a hacky, low
hanging fruit thing, but it's something like really specific that
that group is not aware that.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Anybody else knows.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, they appreciate it, they feel seen, you know, and
that's kind of what people want. They just want like
representation in a cool way.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So do you have you ever felt bad about, like, damn,
I probably shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean I feel more bad about like when
jokes are you know what I mean? Like it takes
a lot of jokes to make a good joke, right,
you know what I mean. It's like every time you
run around, you're not gonna get a.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Touch with it.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
You're not gonna wait right, you know, but you have
to run it every single time. So it's like that's
what we gotta do.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
We gotta shoot, shoot or shoot you shoot every single time,
and we fail, you know what I mean, Like badly.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Have you ever told a joke that was bad and
that you're like, well, if I tell it like this,
it might get better.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
And you keep refining because cast that's the process.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
That really is the process. Like you have a funny
idea and you're like, Okay, how can.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I make this? How can I get people to laugh
at it? Right? Like the idea to you.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Is kind of funny, and then the skill is, you know,
sharpening that tool. Like when I was early in comedy,
like I just wasn't good at making things funny. I
thought I was funny. You know, my friends might have
been like, oh, you're funny whatever like that. I really
want to try it, but I just wasn't good enough.
Like I remember I got punched on stage once and
I was just got punched.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh yeah, like I used to get ran up on stage.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
This is a shout out to Smokey Man. Smokey had
a room at Cafe Mocha. This is like up in
Harlem in New York and uh and and and he
would he would let me go up on stage all
the time. And uh, I think it was the first
time was at Cafe Mocha when a guy and.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I was just making fun of some guy in the
front rop.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
But I wasn't funny enough yet, like I did, I
wasn't able to do it at that point where he
also found it funny.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Okay, he just thought that I was coming into his neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And then I'm clowning on him and he got up
and he and he punched me, and they grabbed him.
They grabbed me. They threw him out. Why they grab
That's what I was asking. And then I remember smoke
He handed me back to the mic and he was like,
all right, man, keep doing your thing.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I was like, what do you mean? Isn't the show
over for me? Like there's got to be a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Y stole on him when they grab him?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that's how I tell the story,
so it looks like finding back.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I'm like, yeah, they grabbed me real quick, so I
put together and that was that was the issue.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, going after so many groups, the LBGTQ, Mexican's, Indians, Asian, Muslim,
blind people, black bro Yeah. I mean if anybody did
that haven't taken offense to something, if they're any group
that haven't taken offense to something you've seen.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
No, I think everybody can't. Like That's the thing that
I think is tricky.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
It's like I don't think comedians should be telling people
what they can or can't be offended by.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, Like you can be offended by whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You know, Like you know some people like they really
care about their mom and they don't want anybody saying
mom jokes. Yeah, some people don't give about their mom, correct,
so say whatever you want. So I think it's like comedians,
it's not our position to tell people what they should
be offended, right, Like you're allowed to react whoever you want.
You can be offended, but just don't tell me I
can't tell the joke.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Okay, does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It does make sense. But everybody I look at it
like this.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Every everybody doesn't view things through the prism of you.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
If that's funny.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Some people like say, you know what you're telling jokes,
but you know you hide, you hide behind those jokes.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But that's truly how you really feel?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, how I feel? In what way? That's a good question. Yeah,
but like how I feel more.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Some people some people like, oh, I was just joking. Nah,
you really feel that way? You really think I'm this,
or you really think I'm that, or you really think
this group is like this.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, I guess it depends on the joke, you know,
Like sometimes they're jokes are like I guess tap into truth,
you know for sure. But it would just depend on
the joke, you know. But I get what you're saying,
Like they think you're using like a joke as.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
A smoke screen.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, yes, I wouldn't dedicate my entire life to comedy
just to use jokes as a smoke screen too.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, I'm not saying no, no, no, no, no, I
don't think I don't think it's a situation where you're
entire You're entire said it is based on that. But
I think sometimes people try to fire off one it's like,
you know what, I'm gonna say, that's a joke right here,
and this kind of kind of really do feel this?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, if they feel that way, like if like a
lot of Yeah, if they feel that way, then maybe
that's up, especially if it's offensive.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think that when you don't feel that way is
when you have the liberty to say the craziest. Like
I say the craziest to the people I love the most,
you know what I mean. Like if me and you
are like friends and you're not kind of rose to
me or clown to me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I don't really trust you.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Really.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I'm like, what's up with this cornball? Who hasn't
said something up to me? Like, I like, what is
he plotting? What does he want?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
You got black friends?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah? I mean you know, I mean that's how you
build a relationship with people.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Nah, we're gonna have to do some years.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I always tell I always say, like with black people,
like if a white dude isn't like a little racist
around you, then you shouldn't trust him. If he's not
a little racist around you, you get because what is
he thinking?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
He's thinking way more racist over here.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Can be a little like do you, Andrew?

Speaker 7 (11:57):
No, you got a little out, just the little out,
just to know that him. No, you have to fight.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
You have to fight that, would you know forwater stereotype?

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta be a little racist
to him.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You're telling me you spent all that time in locker
rooms in the NFL and you were all politically correct.
That's what I but back then, don't talk about Troy Palamala.
That might offend the horn.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
No, no, no, no, no, we didn't.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What'd you say about that white guy on on the
broncos it would know it would be what you say
about l Way nothing nothing we passing.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Had You got to realize you're dealing with hyper hyper
hyper masculine men.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, they will fight you on the drop.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Of a hat, good anything, anything, if you did no, no,
you couldn't do that in all that jokes in the
locker room and people ain't going.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
For the dead.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
But that's where the skill comes in. The funny people
can't do it I have a hard time believing you
were biting your tongue.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
You know, look, we we joke about certain things, making
what guys wore.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
We joke what you're talking about when you're outfit.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You made fun of.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Someone, But we're not feeling you're not Finnah, just get
up here and make no, no.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
The real tiffanys bro.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I got a wife trying to spend all his belly.
I gotta something.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, what I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
To say, like, you've made fun of your friends, right, yes,
for sure for dressing a certain way? And what was
that joke about? Like what was it targeted towards a
specific community?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Perhaps?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Now?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, uh, I think probably not?

Speaker 5 (13:37):
No, no, no, no, because I was making a joke about
what he was wearing, not that his ethnicity, because I
didn't care what he had on it.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
What did you think that what was he wearing? Did
it look like not very mascular?

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Nah, he looked like he looked like a seventies drug dealer.
He had the gold chain on with a polyepester shirt
and it was busted open fire.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I had to know him.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
This is good. It should have been set fire, but it.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Would so it is fun to make fun of each other,
and like when you grew up in a kind of
way that I grew up. Again, I don't know how
you grew up, Like you know, how we in the country.
So I don't know if it was just.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
No no no no no, no no no, it was I mean, look,
but we stayed with like it was like it was in.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
The late sixties and the seventies, blacks were here white,
it was.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was quite surrogated. So I went to public school
in New York. Yeah, so there's no you don't get
to be serious, you know what I mean. We're all
in this together. And the Chinese dudes are snapping on
the Puerto Rican dudes, and the Puerto Rican dudes are
snaping on the white dudes, and white dudes snap on
the black dudes. It wasn't really there wasn't really any
sort of like discomfort. But that's all we knew, you know,
and that's kind of how we built our relationships.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So to me, it's like the most normal thing, right
you know.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, Like I remember even when I would tell stories
of like going up to do like the quote unquote
black rooms, there's like a chip Lin circuit and like
in like comedy and they're like, you know some people
who weren't really from New York, like you do the
black rooms.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I was like yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
To me, I didn't realize that it was like an
odd thing, right, I was like, it's just in New York.
Like it didn't seem like a weird It's not like
this crazy idea. I'm not like walking across like this
specific street and everything changes. But I guess to other
people that don't grow up like that, it might be
a little weird.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
They're a little like shocked.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
What do you say to people that said, look, bro,
you just dabling, You just dealing in the stereotypes.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean you take AEO, take a group. Yeah maybe, yeah,
they're right.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It depends what the stereotype.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I try to get really nuanced with it, but yeah,
for sure, Yeah, stereotypes are funny.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You never you never mess around with stereotypes like what's
your manager or lawyer or agent?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Jewish? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not uncouncelable.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Jokes about that, not at all. Nothing. Nothing. Let's give
them a call. What is it Friday? They're about to
turn the phones.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Off at Bay, they show they were taking no calls. Man,
I'm down.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
They'll take a call if you guys able to sell.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
But let me what about Karen?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Commediately?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, Karen?

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Is that a stereotype Karen? What's a Karen woman? The
white woman that's complaining that you?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
What are you doing here? Karen?

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Get off? Get off my lawn. I haven't seen you
in this neighborhood before.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Who are you?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Also, like, you should be able to tell someone get
off your lawn, it's your loan.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, but I'm saying that that's just a figure of speak.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
The other ones I think are annoying, but like if
someone's on your lawn, like I was just showing up
on your lawn and I'm like walking around on it
just yelling stereoty.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
No no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
I think the thing is is that how they be
trying to police the community. They're like, oh, I've never
seen you here before? Where you live at? What's your
apartment number? I mean, what's your house?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Who are you annoying? Right?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, super annoying. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I don't like, I don't love the Karens until otel
until you live in like an apartment buildy.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
So you're a really rich guy. You don't. You don't
live in a part of I did you did it?

Speaker 8 (17:02):
One?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
When you were normal like us, you lived in apartment
now No, I was out here.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was in Cali. I was living in Cali and
not living in a high rise now. But it's just
it's just it's just hard, man.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I mean to have to wait for the elevator, I know,
and one of them get broken and then there's only
one operational elevator.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
You don't have all the girls coming up, and you know,
I take the stairs, not the sweat breath.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
And then I gotta you know me, I don't ride
the elevator with single women. Yes, so not if a
single woman is on the elevator, I gotta wait, wait,
why don't you? Because they just get too horning. No,
sometimes the risk of was sometimes the mention of impropriety
is enough to sway people's opinion of somebody.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Really, So I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
So if a single woman is going to go into
an elevator.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I'm not getting on it.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
And what do they I don't like. I don't let
I don't let service. I don't let women's service come
into my room to bring food. Really, if they come
to clean the room, I leave the room. I sit
in the hallway till they're done. Then I go back
into the room.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now have you ever like blown someone's mind with that,
like has a girl as a girl everything?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
No?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
They just they I mean a lot of times when
people see it's like okay, you get on. I was like, no,
I wait to the other this is no, it's fine,
and I just just keep it moving like that.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And do you think that they're thinking there's like some
reverse racism thing.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, I don't know what they're thinking.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Do you clutch your purse when white women walk.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
My cross body?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Because they get because they if they if I'm on
the elevator by myself and a woman steps on.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'll get off.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
White women only are black women.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So you won't enter an elevator with a black woman.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't get on single a single elevator with a
black No, it't matter what.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I just want to let you know, black women, I
will ride in the elevator.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Then you get unlike I will ride at the elevator
with you.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
But you do realize like sometimes that in history, stereotypes
have impacted people a certain group of people in a
negative way.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Uh yeah, yeah, if it's a negative stereotype.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
But you you you go into that sometimes you know
you don't like you know what I.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, I mean, I think intention is everything, you know
what I mean? I think my intention is to like
bring joy and make people laugh. So that's that's what I.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
When you do realize that intent only matters to you,
the group that you're talking about is still equal, is offended.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
If they're offended. I think a lot of times we
assume that people don't like humor. But I think for
the most part, Americans like to laugh and we like
to laugh at each other. So I bank on Americans
having a sense of humor over them not having a
sense of humor one hundred percent of the time, because
we're not a humorless culture. There are cultures that are
humorless and they don't get you. But part of America like,

(19:36):
we love laughing. It like it don't matter who it is.
They could be the most radioactive person in the world.
It could be Donald Trump. There was this Indian guy
trying to ask Donald Trump a question. Did you see that?
It was in like a press conference, and this Indian
guy had the thickest Indian accent ever.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
He's speaking English.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Though, but it's just you know, art, it's broken, and
he's he's like minute, they're dump whatever. He's doing, the
whole thing, and Trump just cuts him off and goes,
I don't know what the hell this guy's said. Now
when he says that, Americans, we die laughing at him
because it's just this insane moment that happened. The poor

(20:10):
guy's just trying to ask a question. He got to think,
fucking accent. It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I think Americans have a sense of humor.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
About sh Let me ask you this, what do you
think do you think we have a sense of humor?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Do you think comedy should be policed?

Speaker 8 (20:22):
No?

Speaker 5 (20:23):
But look the way I am. If somebody tells me
something that's offensively, I'm good. I don't need to go
back in there. I don't say, well, this is my
right to say whatever I want to say. I don't
look at it like that.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
So if one person told you I'm offended that you
sell alcohol and drink alcohol on your show.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You no, no, no, no, no, no, no hell no, because
this is because this isn't about them.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
This is about me. But if I.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Said something I'm talking about, if I said something about
a group, now you're getting it.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
No.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
But if I say something about a group, if let's
just say an Indian or Asian American says, I'm good.
I don't need the whole I don't need to hold
fifteen million people to say something.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Ready, I don't like your takes on football? Okay, And
what if a football player said, Now I don't just
looker text, But what if a football player said, I
one football player, not the whole group.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, one football player said I don't like your takes?
Would you stop playing? Would you stop talking about? No?
Why not?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
No?

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Because I'm not taking I'm not talking about I'm not
talking stereotypically. I'm not trying to demean him. I'm critiquing
his his plate. That's what I'm doing. I'm talking about
from based on my knowledge of the game, having played
the game, having studied the game, having covered the game.
I'm basing my opinion solely on my intimate knowledge of
the game. It's not about you. I'm not talking about

(21:43):
what you might have done on off the field. I'm
not talking about anything other than that. We're about basketball. Yes, yeah,
but if you never played basketball, never played basketball, but
you still have an opinion on it, I still have
an opinion.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
That opinion sometimes rubs people does. But you keep talking.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
About But again, I'm talking about their play, not their ethnicity,
not something that they have maybe have done that people
have talked about for one hundred, two hundred years.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
There's a difference.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
I believe stereotype is I'm not stereotyping that player.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm not saying well because Lucas white, he can't jump.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
You talk about you're saying specifically stereotypes. Yes, but what if,
like it's a cultural analysis.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
I think it all depends. I mean if it's a
situation where.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Like, is there a specific thing that you're referencing for
maybe is maybe I can I can speak to it.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
It seems like you're hung up on this.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
No, No, I'm not hung up because I look at
I look at you know, guys that do the edgy comedy. Yes,
and I do believe that's that's kind of where you go.
You like the you like to live on the edges.
You're like, damn, this middle, this middle is too safe
in here. I need to be right up to the age. Yeah,
I mean, you know what, let me look over it.
You know what, as a matter of fact, let me
put my foot over there.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Age.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's how you look at it.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Fun Well, it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Depends, like not to like plug my special, but my
current special is just like me not being able to
get my wife pregnant because my sperm sucks.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
So it's like I could also go to.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Abu Dhabi and make fun of them about the interesting
cultural observations I've made, and then I could talk about
the things that are difficult and vulnerable in my life.
So it depends, and there's some people that might be offended,
but there's also like multiple arenas of people who are
specifically coming out to show me make fun of them.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, you had sold out back before them in the
cryb you sold out Madison Square Guards, And.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Like when you look at the audiences at my shows,
would I would be like concerned if I was.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
In your situation.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
If it was just like all white people and we're
just laughing at minorities, right, that'd be weird, right, But
when you look at it and it looks like the
un to me, it's like, yeah, it's the proof and
the put in. It's like, oh wow, these people actually
enjoy seeing this, and they don't like, they don't like
Karen's telling them what they should shouldn't laugh at. Most

(24:00):
people that I see policing jokes are like some white
guy on NPR from Maine who's never had a minority friend,
who's like, white people should not be doing this, And
then minorities are too sensitive. We cannot make a joke
about them at all. Their feelings get hurt. They're so weak,
And it's like, to me, that's racist. It's racist that
you assume that they can't say jokes right. Like all

(24:20):
the minorities I grew up with, we were, you know,
giving each other dozens non stop.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
It was just a normal thing for us to do.
So that's my experience.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Have you told a joke on stage and you look
around and you see people that look like you were
right and around.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
To see who laugh before they laugh?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
You know what that white people do that if you
tell a black joke and there's a black person there,
they'll always they'll go like this or like yeah, they'll
be like, is.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
The black guy laughing in the bag?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
It is funny, It's funny, like this, so white people
will do that, they're more polite. But non white people,
like minorities, they're they're they laugh at everybody. They usually
don't give a yeah, like they're not concerned they're laughing.
White people are a little bit more concerned. They want
to make sure. They want to be like, Okay, yeah
we're laughing.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
You're laughing. That's what up. Now we're on the same
pepe before you acting like you're not laughing.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
No no, no, no, no no no no, I'm the laugh
But my thing, I was saying that if somebody told
me I give a prime example.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
There was a guy his name was Fred Shimizu.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
He worked on Camera three when I was at CBS,
and I used to call it echie row and which
means first born in Japanese.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was he Japanese?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
He was, Did you know that for a factor you
were a guessing I would know that for a fact.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Okay, so if you want to guess, just go Chinese.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
There's no, no.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
He was huge Japanese and one day his sister passed,
but his sister was the first born. So he comes
to me, he said, he said, Shannon, he said, I
know you've been calling me Ichi Row for like the
past six or seven years, he said, But my sister
passed and she was the first born. I would really
appreciate it if you called me by my name.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Boom.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
I didn't say, Man, I've been calling you Eachie Road
for six seven years. Bro, get over it. Yeah, fred
no problem.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah his name was Freddy. Yeah, but you fred No.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
But but I'm saying that that That's that's how I operate, Andrew,
That's how I operate.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I didn't go back, say, Bro, I've been calling you.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
This so yeah, you're not a professional comedian. No, you're
a broadcaster that you don't need the camera. Three guy
and insult his heritage and dishonor his family, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
But yeah, I think they're gone. I'm gonna get back.
What did Deon do now?

Speaker 5 (26:30):
He got me at the NAACP Image Award. He said
something slip What he said? He's talking about my clothes
be tight?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
You do like to show off? I mean you like
to flirt. What now you're flirting?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's like that's some Yeah, you could wear bag yours.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Why don't you believe in conspicuous consumption? If you have
it flaunted.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't know what you just said. I went to
public school, bro, I un listen, you should have c T.
I don't know how to even announce all. I was working.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
What they said conspictcuish was consumption?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Consumption if you have if you have it flaunted? Yes,
So you are trying to show off. No, you just
said you're trying to show off. I'm feel gasling. No,
what I'm doing is that I work out, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I I mean, how big what you want me to get? Trying?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So now you're showing off. Let's say a dude comes
up to you and he's like, yo, I like what
you're showing off? And now I know that you're about
that showing off And he's like I like it. No, wa, wha,
what what.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Do you mean?

Speaker 5 (27:31):
No, what you mean I'm showing up? I ain't showing
if I got old clothes. I can see if I
came up here and didn't interview.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Hold on, dude just said you about the conspicuous whatever
it is, it was consumption.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
That sounds like a Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
No, I'm saying if you have it flaunted?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yes, So you were saying you got it flaunted. And
a guy is over here, like, Yo, he's flaunting. I'm
trying to catch some of that flaunt.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
He comes up to you.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Bro, I'm bro. I don't get down like that.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, no, no, I know you don't.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
We saw a video. We saw a video. But that's
what I'm gonna say. That's what I'm gonna saying.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh you say, yo, I don't get down. Yeah, that's it.
He's stiff too.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
We're done.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, we done.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's done.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
But I don't give off that vibe. Now, people on
the internet, people on the internet can say what they
want you, but I have never You don't give off
that vibe. You don't give off that. I've never been
in a situation where somebody has approached me from the
same sex.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's like, but that's but that's the thing that's weird.
It's like, you don't got to give off the vibe. Like,
no girl gives off a vibe for us to think
they're hot.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
They're just no, no, no, no for you to for
me for in today's time. Yeah, shows you can't just
you look nice, that dress look nice on you. I
ain't compliment nobody.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I got this wife. I can't do that.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
No, I'm just saying, period. If it's not if it's
not my sister, my daughter's or mine.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, ain't you ain't getting no complimentary No, what if
they have a I don't care.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I don't care if they dress like Kanye's wife, it
gets nothing from me.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh no, I'll compliment.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, I think we could objectively say she's huge.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Tests No, because you say something to somebody now, you
make them feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
She made me feel unomfortable.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
If I saw her person, I would feel very uncomfortable
because it being possible not to look at what she's got.
I mean, she's objectively speaking, we're just talking about biology. Right,
she's stacked to the girls.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I take your word for it.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
You've never seen it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
You're getting in that other No, no, no, you're getting
in that ol there. You're hitting every floor. He's just god.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't, I don't don't, I don't pay, I don't
pay no attention.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
What is your love life like right now? You have
a girlfriend. What's the whole thing? I'm okay, I do
I know you're okay, I know you're good, but like,
do you date?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
How does somebody get into uh, Shannon's world.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'm private, man.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I keep that stuff hush huh really because if you
if you date public, you got to break up publicly.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh and the break up publicly is brutal. Hunt.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Then you know you change insults on Twitter or ig
and you post everything, you end up on the gossom columns,
and I ain't trying to do that.

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Speaker 2 (31:31):
So to mask this, yes, did you play sports at
the keys because it seemed like you like sports?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
You door sports.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I hooped. I hooped, and then I boxed you. Ho
I hooped? I played basketball hoo yeah hoo hoops.

Speaker 8 (31:42):
Oh yeah in New York City. Yeah you were hooper. Yeah,
I'm I'm I was nice. I'm dunking on you. But
you don't think that because I'm white. But I'm dunking
on you in the game.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Hmm. Actually you're big and you're probably like quick. It's
probably tough to get by you.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
But yeah, I used to be nice at basketball basketball,
and then boxing I did in college a bit. And then, uh,
I just my nose is too big, fish like even
in the.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Head gear would get hit.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, Like headgear should protect your nose, but my nose
would be popping right out the head kid smacking.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
But did you did you did you want to play sports?
So when you were going to hoop.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
I wanted to play ball, like uh, I mean Nashally
as a kid, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna be professional
basketball player. And then like I played in high school
and then uh I got like some like D three
interests and I was like, I don't know if I'm
going to go to some liberal arts college to like
play on the team there, like I don't give a
fuck about that. So I went out to UC Santa
Barbara and then I just went out to school there
and I didn't play.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I didn't play on the team or anything like that,
but I played with guys who, like I saw the levels.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Put it that way.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, Like I would play this guy in the summer,
and he was a guy who played like D two,
like school on Long Islands was alone like Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But uh, and then he went and played in Europe
and he was just he was just nice.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like there's just as you know, your professional athlete, there's
levels of this, and I saw my level and I
could have worked harder.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I could have worked hard and I could have done
other things for my game, but my game was built
around I know this is going to sound maybe hilarious
because of your stereotypes of me, but it was built
around athleticism and length.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
See look at that. Do you see this racist stereotype
that you have. This is disgusting.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
We shouldn't allow this.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm telling you right now that that is hurting me.
So please never do that again. So you you you
please never. I've told you that that hurt my feelings.
So please never talk about like people that I just
say anything. I just shook my hair. Please never shake
your head like that again. This is what it sounds
like when people try to censor jokes to Please never
talk about it again.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
My film that you have, Letty, I'm telling I'm cooking
you no problem.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I know it sounds crazy. It does, but I would
back in the day, I would. It's not it, but
because there's here this thing, it's like like I am
to the move called the hezy.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I don't know if you're familiar with it.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And basically what happens is I have a left to
right cross and I have a left heavy yeah, and
it's just there's nothing you could do about it.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
You gotta ask Jay Williams. You know Jay Williams.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, number two draft pick, right, maybe the best college
point guard ever.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Some people say cooked his ass on video.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Okay, I was just wondering about that.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean you're familiar with this, right, I'm familiar
with Jay Williams.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm familiar with you.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Probably I love Jay, but I told him, you don't
want to smoke. I'm gonna hit you at the hezy.
I'm gonna cross that ass over and I'm gonna head
a tear drop in your face. And then I did it,
and then I won.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
What were your parents like?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
My parents don't own a dance studio. They would teach
dance lessons.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, you didn't want to go into the family.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
No, I know some dancing. I know a little bit dancing,
but they didn't really pressure me like that.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Really.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
My dad before that was a journalist. Uh so he
would like, you have siblings. Yeah, I have a little brother,
that's it. Yeah, just a little brother. And then my
mom was a borrom dancer and she was a three
time US ballroom dance champion. She's originally from Scotland. She
moved here when she was twenty.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah. So what type of big brother were you?

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Are you protected?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah? Of course of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is that why you learned how to box?

Speaker 4 (35:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I think I learned how to box because I like talking.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
And so you need to pay it this. Well you
did talk when that man joke on stage and punch you,
you ain't doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well I didn't learn how to box yet. I just
learned how to talk.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
And I realized, you know, you got you got it
back both you got it back then exactly box first
did talk later.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
What is that shit they say about America? It's like, like, America,
what is it? The first Amendment is freedom of speech?
Not a matter, but the first whatever it is? Oh
my god, I shouldn't know about this, Okay, it's freedom
of speech. And then number two is you could carry
a gun, right to bare arms. And there's a reason why, right.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think it was Michael Ja that had a joke
about this.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I'm not exactly sure, but it was like, if you
want to let people say whatever they want, they got
to carry something to make sure.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And on some level I did probably feel that way.
I was like, I gotta be able to protect myself.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I like talking, but I will give you credit. You
talk about everybody.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Everybody gets these jokes.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I think the second you stop doing it about one group,
then it becomes hateful. Okay, okay, because if I'm equally
making fun of everybody, it's love.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I genuinely want everybody to laugh when I say the jokes. Genuinely,
that's the goal.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Like I'm out here hoping that you come to a
show or you watch online and you smile and you
laugh and you have a.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Little joy in your day.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
That makes me how much ticket? How much does it
cost for tickets to a show? Well, it depends. It
depends where you sit, you know, it depends what part
of the venue you're.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't know how much your ticket stuff? I have
to ask the jew.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I will watch it online.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, you gotta watch it. Yeah, yeah, you could afford it.
You've got different colored diamonds on your fake roller.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I've watched.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Did you put these on?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, that's the cotton candy.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Oh my god, that's like way more fancy than I
even know about with watching.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You're wrench dude. No, you got money money. You dressed
like a Pilates instructor. Yeah, but you got money.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Money throws me. You look good, Lou. How do you
not have a deal with Lulu yet?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm trying to get one?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
You need it?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Hey, who's your guy?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Real? Real? Real?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Are you part Jewish?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Dumb?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Can you help in bestow some some wisdom? There would
have already been a deal. There would have already been
a deal. We're gonna get this deal, Yes, Lulu, lemon,
let me ask you this. I've never asked anybody this before.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
How big is it? No inches or sent?

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Why is it, yes, that we look at it as
giving you praise. How you guys stick together, come together,
get money? Why do you guys look at that as
a stereotype of frowner jay Z?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Who is? Who's you? Guys?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
The Jewish people?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Oh, I'm not Jewish. I'm not.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I'm not You're not Jewish? No, everybody, everybody thinks that
I'm not offended by it. How do you feel that
she's the only I'm sorry I called you. I would
cut cut that Lulu deal that shit has done.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Okay, please call the call the head athletic where jew
and say no deals.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
But your parents were from Poland, right, No, you just said.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
That Polish Scottish. Not all white people are the same.
They're different countries where different white people who have.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
In Scotland coast.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'm half I'm half I'm half white and I'm half Ghanaianan. Yes,
from Ghana. Who's doing your research?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
A sandstory dot com?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
My research? But you don't think that I'm from Ghana.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out Ghana.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Have you been to Gona?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I have not?

Speaker 8 (39:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
No, oh dude, that's the vibes now, that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I want to go on Safari.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well that's not Ghana at all. But you're just saying
that because you think Africot.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Well no, no, I did my ancestry. I'm ninety percent Nigeria.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yes, yes, So do you know what type of Nigerian?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Not the different type Ebo Euroba. No, I don't know.
They didn't give me a Oh you got.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
To look in.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
There's some beautiful stereotypes, as you say about the Nigerian people,
but the Nigerian people are fascinating.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Man.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Well maybe you can help me out. You're not Jewish,
but I'm gonna ask you this question.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yes, yes, you were about to ask me a question
about like why is it? Lebron said, I'll speak on
behalf of all Jews for you.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
No, no, no, But I'm just saying maybe you can
help me, maybe because you have a better understanding than
I do. Is that Lebron said that, you know, I'm
trying to get money like Jewish people, and they like, oh,
they lost it. He said that, Yeah, it was a song.
It's a song. He wrote a rap song. No, he
didn't write a rap song. He was he was regurgitating
the line in the rap song.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
So you're saying, if I just say a rap lyric,
I could get in trouble for it, potentially.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, I mean, I guess.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
I guess they look at it like somebody from the
opposite race saying the N word. But I'm saying getting money.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
How y'all.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
How Jewish communities stick together, they pull together, they root
for one another.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Do they Yeah? You think they do?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I think they do.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
We're all the Jewish rappers they seemed to be.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I don't know it. I only know the Jewish rappers.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I know there's like none. Jack Harlowe he looks kind
of right, he got the curls.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Are you sure I think Jack secretly Jewish?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Don't you think he's an industry plant? What they call that?
An industry? Even why I think that, I mean, I
don't know. It depends. It depends what it is. I
think it's hard to like.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I think I think you should look out for people
that you care about, you know what I mean? Like,
I imagine you do that with your friends. I've tried
to build business with my friends. My friends just don't
happen to all be like in the same community. But
if you grow up in a community.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It's not weird.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So like when I see black people looking out for
black people or Jews looking out for Jews.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Like, yeah, we need to I'm not like you need
to do that more though, But.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Don't you think that that's happening. Don't you think there's
ad enough? No, well then do okay, how can you start?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
What can you do?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I'm doing my part?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
See for me? Yeah, Chuls, I don't.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I don't like to tell people what I'm doing because
I do it not for praise. Because the way I
look at something, even if I do something special and
nobody tells me that it's special, I still believe that
it's special. So I don't do it for the cameras.
I don't do it to see my name in print.
So if I give or I donate something, if you
mentioned my name, I won't give it to you again.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Now I know you, I know you won't say this,
but I just want to say that, you know the
people behind the scenes working on.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
This are all black.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Now my makeup web bread Hey.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Hey, listen, I'm just saying you have providing black jobs
and you're looking at that community. Nobody behind the camera
here is not black. I just want to point that out.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
We got one.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
We don't have to count them. Those days are done.
We're not doing that anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
What they did away with a permanent back. So I'm.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, I honestly, I don't know what's your
thought on that.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Like do you think I guess people when they hear that,
like a group is looking out for one another, maybe
they feel alienated by it?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Is that a that might that? That might be?

Speaker 5 (42:37):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean I love the fact
that you know, they they root for one another, they
work with one another.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
And for me, like, and I'm from the outside looking.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
In, do you do you do you want to like
recreate that?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah? I want to.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Maybe I want our community. I want our community to
be that I want to.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
There is a distinct difference though, with like the Black
American community and the Jewish community. And I'm not talking
talking about just jumping ability. I think that like the
Jewish community is bound. I would imagine by this book
that was written like three thousand years ago, right, a religion,
these customs, etc. And unfortunately, because of horrible circumstances that

(43:19):
my family had nothing to do with, Black Americans are
bound now, of course in modern times there's like amazing culture,
like you guys dominate American culture, but historically speaking by
the oppression, right, that's what unifies the Black experience Unfortunately
now much different art.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Music, food, like all these other things.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yes, but initially speaking, you don't have three thousand years
of Hey, this is our culture, whereas the Jamaican community
in America does, right, like the African community in America does,
Like the Somali community can tap into three thousand years
of culture, so it's easy for them to look out
for one another, take care of one another. And I
wonder if the Somali community in America operate rate similarly

(44:00):
to the Jewish community in America, or the Russian community
of America, or the Italian community of America. And I
wonder if it's like a more difficult task for Black
Americans in general, because you're not a monolith that has
like one book that's driving your culture. You've had completely
different experiences and unfortunately, because of history, have been torn

(44:22):
from your like ethnic and country identity. Right, so you
don't know what tribe you're from in Nigeria, and if
you did, maybe that would inform so many things about you, Like,
I don't know what tribe them from really in Scotland.
I mean, I know I'm part of like the Cameron clan,
that's what it was. But like it maybe it'd be
really cool if I knew more about that, and then

(44:43):
maybe it would help like congeal the community. So I
think it is a cool thing to look towards and do,
But you also got to give yourselves a little bit
of slack. You're building a new identity and you're comparing
yourself to groups that have existed for thousands of years.
You're supposed to in four hundred years become the same
as Italian people.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Well we got to start somewhere.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, no, no, it's great, but also like take a
moment and be like, holy look look what we're doing right,
Like what this is pretty cool? Like I think there's
just like a moment to pat yourself on the back
because you're comparing yourselves to thousands of years of history.
Okay that's my take. Maybe I'm off, but that's my take.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
What's your thoughts on Kanye He got the shirts out Andrew,
come on, broh, why is he doing this?

Speaker 8 (45:31):
What?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I think I think his like his knee jerk energy
is just how can I antagonize? My guess is if
you told Kanye, if you said to Kanye, if you
were like, you won't love juice, he'd be like, I won't.
What if you're like, I bet you won't love you
a matter of fact, I'm telling you right now, you're
not allowed to love juice.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
The next day he'd have a shirt I love Juice,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And I think, like, there he loves going to get
I think he likes this is my assumption.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I don't know the guy at all, but my assumption
is he doesn't like being told what to do at all,
and anytime he feels like a cultural impulse telling him
like it happened with the Maga hat, right, Yes, he's like,
I'm gonna let you know. You're not gonna tell me
what I can or can't do. And I assume that's
what drives him. And so the second you're telling me
he's being racist, he's like, all right, well I'm doubling

(46:22):
down there, right.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
You know? His wife is really talented though she's in
a new movie. Did you see the new movie?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It's called The Elevator, starring Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
But okay, yeah, you had a couple of comedians. I
guess they're not comedians.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
It's some good questions, man. Yeah, no, I don't want
to sound surprised, like obviously you're a phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah. J great job too. You guys do a really
good job of building this.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I mean, it sounds silly to say because you guys
are so successful, but I do think it's important to
give people compliments.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
On thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, you caught a
lot of criticism.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yes, well I said yes, but I don't know what
you're talking about. You already.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, I got criticized, but.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
It always it's as once you get over four million
followers on Instagram, you're it's like your clout.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
You when you had James, I think you say fool
hat oh the gigs? Yes?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
And about the black girl effect, yeah, so tell me,
tell me how did that conversation come about?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
And then tell me what you were thinking when you
said what you said.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So the what was the black girlfriend effect?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Is essentially like when a white guy dates a black girl,
he starts to glow up, starts to like look better.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
He gets like a.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Beard, you know, shape up, and he's just like fine,
And I've heard of the black girlfriend obviously, so.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
What what is what was he saying it referencing it?
It was a Travis kelcey or something like that.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yeah, I think yeah, because yeah, he was saying, they
glow up, they start to look different, they get beers
and things like that, and I think you said yeah,
but they go ball, because you know that's what.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I was like.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
So for me, I'm like, this is a comedy podcast.
I'm like making a joke. And first all, I hate
explaining jokes. I can't believe I mean doing this, It's
like so stupid. But so I'm like, yeah, what is
the opposite take a lot of times in comedy, the
opposite take is the funny thing. So you go the
other side and you try to defend the indefensible or.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Whatever it is. This is what I've done my entire career.
So the opposite take is no, Actually, the reason why.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
They're shaping up their hair because they're going ball, because
they're stressed out.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
They're going a beards.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
There's more padding in case they get slapped. It's just
the opposite take of the black girlfriend effect being you
look so much better. It's really not that sophisticated. But
they went on another podcast and say they didn't think
that girls in Atlanta were pretty. So black women Atlanta
were very offended by these two English dudes, black dudes

(48:53):
that were basically calling girls in Atlanta ugly. This is
like the hub of black culture in America, and you're
just going to all the black women ugly. So they
were ripping them. And then they started ripping them for
laughing at my joke. So it wasn't really about what
I said. It was look how corny these guys are.
And they are corny. Look how cornered these guys are.

(49:15):
Here's another example of their corniness right right. And then
Ryan Clark took a break from posting pictures of his
outfits on Instagram to do a whole sol.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Bro Did you I love his Instagram?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
The outfit posts are amazing, right, Like the group chat
is always full of the out like, we can't wait
for the new Ryan Clark outfit drop the second the
new outfit where he's walking in the streets and the
smoke is in the background and like an inspirational quote.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
That's like, Ugh, you need to have a conversation. Ryan's
a good dude, man.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
No, I know everybody tells me he's a good dude.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
But he did that, and he like it just felt
like it was all clout and he tried to make
it this big thing, and he's like by the end
of it, he's like, he's one of the these guys
that wants to say the N word but doesn't.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
And I was like, what the heck is going on?
Like what are we even talking about?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
The stories about those guys who insulted the black women,
right and laughing at that joke, and then he kind
of reframed it and then made it about me but me.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
But then they go on and say, as well, I
probably should have kicked the cameras over and placed him
in his face, because I should.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Have done a lot of everybody should have done a
lot of sh.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
But that was the opportunity. I mean, I didn't say
he had to do all that, but he could have
sayd bro, I don't think that's funny. But he thought
it was funny exactly until he got critical, got blow back.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And then he thought it was gonna affect the bottom line.
And then you know, then you just do whatever. But
that's the problem is a lot of people aren't willing
to take the criticism, like it or not. I don't
sway from criticism. I don't say you can't criticize me,
but I'm not bending like they're gonna bet like then
you're just a plastic bag in the wind. Then whatever
the people say becomes your identity, and then people can't

(50:55):
trust you. In my opinion, like I think, deep down,
people do respect when you have your your own constitution,
your own rules.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I say, I make fun of everybody, and I'm always
gonna do that. It doesn't matter what the group is.
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
And then I'll get backlash, and you can have that backlash,
but it's not going to change me from being me.
And eventually people start to learn maybe that was the
first time they saw me, and they're like, that's up,
why did he say that? And eventually I think that
they start to go.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Oh, that's just what he does.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
He's actually cool with everybody about it, and it's not
a personal thing. He doesn't really hate anybody, actually loves everybody,
and that's just the way that he shows it. He
shows it through jokes and humor and these observations.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Why why do you get into it with everybody online?
I don't do I don't ever get it with you
got into it with cubes the ice cube.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Oh that was just fun.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Sometimes it's shooting fish in a barrel. Yeah, exc what
do I call him? Ice cream?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
He's big? I think, I think, I think, I think cream.
I like him though, But he was just being foolish,
like he was trying to have a moment.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Everybody was trying to have a moment, like there was
just this big anytime I see people trying to have
a moment, it's like, okay, well, if you want to
have a moment, then I'll also maybe have a moment,
like exactly, like if you put something out there and
you're trying to, you know, pile on me.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
So you'd be reading, you'll come as huh oh.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Of course everybody reads their comments.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I used to respond to, I used to respond to.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I don't respond though, to the comments unless you well,
if you're big enough, I will.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, I just can't respond to everybody, right, correct, you know,
but like there's certain people where yeah you should, like
I'd never say anything about Ryan No and Actually, this
is the thing that's annoying about Ryan is like I
actually think that he's like he's good.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I think he's like good the way he does.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
But I just thought that that was like really corny, right,
and it felt like it was just I'm gonna sand
bag this dude for clout. Here's an opportunity for me
to look virtuous, and I'm gonna not even reach out
to him. You can reach out to me. You've asked
me to be on your show. Y'all have asked me
to come on the show, so you have the ability
to ask me the context of things.

Speaker 9 (52:51):
Oh okay, that's the thing. It's like, so you cable
of course come on. No competition here, bro, You know
what I mean? That man, I appreciate his outfits more.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
You know, I'm comfortable that one's more bagging than usual.
I feel like you're on the Olympic Bro. I feel
like I feel like from the start of this interview
you lost.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
The bracelest falling.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Off o Zempi.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, what's man?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
You say you'd like to give the counter? So, what's
the white girl effect? White girls that date black man?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
What's the fit white girls that date black guys, like,
what happens to the black guys?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Oh man, they don't got a dresses?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Uh you know what I mean? They could?

Speaker 9 (53:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I don't know what else. I don't know White girls
that date black guys? What is? What is what happens
to the black guys?

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Because the black girl the fact that the guys were saying,
they glow up, they look different, they move different, they
got they vibe different, they got the swag. Now you said, okay, yeah,
but you know they started they go ball because they.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
So when white girls date black guys, like, what happens
with the black dude?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
God, I don't know. We got to ask him. I mean,
obviously I've heard the stand.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
You ain't got No, you ain't got no black guy
friend of the date white women.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Is that shocking to you that my black friends are real?
Is that shocking that my black friends?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, you got black friend? But I ain't heard no
name yet.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I mean the first of all, doctor Lamar Johnson was
my best man. There you go, Doctor Lumar was the
best man at my wedding. Okay, and then for you
listen never that's my boy.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I love doctor.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
No, I'm telling you doctor Rumar is the goat. I
tell you he is the goat, the greatest of all time.
But no, Charlottagne keeps it true. You'll got a pod together,
That's what I'm saying, you know, and you know, so
it's uh, what about you, man?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You date? You date exclusively white women?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I look, I go where I'm celebrated, not tolerated, And
I like, who like me?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, you dressed like a white friend.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Upon a time that you know you strive to stay live.
But I'm like, let me know, but so so you'll
date whoever? It's no, like, now do you feel the
pressure though? Of like I think, I think at least
I see it now that there's like a pressure for
black women, black men's.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Well not just black men. Yeah, well off black men.
I believed entertainer influencers like that. Yeah guy, And what
is because they say, well, you wait, do you get
some money and then you go across so and why
do you think that that happens?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Why did it happen? Look?

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Have I dated outside my race, Yes, but I dated
that people that that that adored me, that appreciated me,
not to say at the time they didn't I've dated
my kids, but I dated women that celebrate men and
appreciate men. That's where I'm going to be. I don't
look at it because I'm not dating for society. I'm

(55:51):
dating for Shannon.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, I think that's normal.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I also think that, like, like, if you live in China,
you're probably gonna date a Chinese person, right, And there's
what is The Black population of America is.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Like ten percent, twelve percent, twelve percent, so half of
that is women. Yes, so so six percent of America
is black women. And then the white population in America
is I don't know, like fifty percent or sixty percent.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
So there's thirty forty twelve, like thirty yeah, probably forty
something percent.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Let's just ripe it go fifty. So twenty five percent
is white women, right, So you have four times the
amount of white women than black women.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
So maybe the numbers. Maybe it's not just like a
black guy gets on and then he dates a white girl, right,
Maybe there's just more white women.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Well, yeah, well there is there is, so like yeah,
because because I can imagine if I was a black woman,
I saw that I would feel that way. I'd be like, woa,
what the going on? Like why I feel like but
I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Know, I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
I don't know what we as black men, if we
feel that same way when we see a black woman
dating a white guy.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I don't think. I don't think it. I think listen
the same response.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I think you guys are a little intimidated when we
date black women because I don't think you can fill
our shoes. I feel like you're a little worried. I
feel like you can't get to the back of it
after us.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I bet we go. No, I do think I do
see that a lot. I'd be like, oh, she's off
the market.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Like whenever I was dating a black girl, I would
see black guys be like, oh, man, can't do that.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
You know, dated black girl?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
No, Okay, sure, I guess, Oh you got down with
a brown Yeah what do you mean, of course?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Okay, okay, why is this surprising? Well, I'm not pounding
you on that, like there's some accomplishment. Yeah, there's hot girls,
you know, and then you try to.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Put your peepy in that, you know, But okay, how
about is that.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Shocking to you that a white guy like this is
so interesting the world. Is that like shocking to you
that there's you know, the white people will date out
of their race. Do you think only white people only
date whit No, no, no, no, no no no no
no no no. You thought I was Jewish too, so
you assume probably I'm dating like a Jewish person.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, right, right, right? Right?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Your wife Jewish?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Uh? My wife is. She was raised Christian. But but
technically her grandma is Jewish. But like you kind of
couldn't be back then, so she had to like right, so,
but according to the Jewish religion, if the mom's blood
is Jewish, they consider you Jewish. But she's raised Christian,

(58:22):
Like you know, she goes to church sometimes. I go
to church too. Do you go to church?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I haven't been in a while.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Because the church is the building. My church is here.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
That's what lazy man get in the building.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Man.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
But the worst at the worst people are in church
praise Lauren and doing the worst stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
But Christ is king though, right, I didn't feel.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
I don't know, honestly, I really don't do a whole
lot of talking about my religion because you know, well, what.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Is your are you Muslim?

Speaker 8 (58:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
What are you I would raise Baptists.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Okay, tell me about that. What's that about?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
What do you mean, like, what's what's distinguishable about the
Baptist Church compared to like Presbyterian or something.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
I've only been to the Baptist Church. I went to
the Catholic church one time.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I kind of liked that.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Really.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, that's drive by.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
The Baptist church is all.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
And you go out of Black church they had Baptists.
They like that. Now you're did at nine, you're out.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Five, no way, like the whole Yeah yeah, man, now
is it was there singing in your churches? That's just
a stereo and.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Lots of singing and good stuff. Oh yeah, I mean
we had a lady named Miss Maudy Bird Rest of Soul. Yeah,
that lady knows she could sing.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Oh man, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
But Christian music is like I get emotional. We would
go to this church up in it was in a school.
It's in a school up in Harlem. Yeah, and uh
where my my my wife's brother would go. And they
had these like really talented musicians that would sing. Like
one guy was like on broad he was part of
the church. But it's like in like a school utorium

(01:00:03):
and I'm not a guy who really grew up with religion,
but like I'm in there and I'm falling every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Is there something about like the people giving themselves to this?
There's something beautiful about people giving themselves to a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Higher power that like submission to the unknown man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
When that word hit, that who hit?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But I thought that's what you were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I think when you were giving your speech, you were
preaching to me, and not like you were preaching the gospel,
but you were you were talking about something. It was
so like the way you were speaking about your your
grandma's there was something I'm very passionate, divine about it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
I was very passionate about the impact that she had
on me. And that was my one time show. That
was my time to give Mary Port a face because
they had heard about her. But now as the guy
that did my bust, you could see it. He brought
that clay of life. It was my time to bring
Mayor Porter to life with my boys and the shape

(01:00:59):
and to show the world just who this woman was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And I was reading that you said that like she
wasn't very like vocal with her love, but she demonstrated
and I've heard that from people like I wonder if
this is also like a time thing. Like now I
tell my daughter all the time, she can't even understand
the words I love you, that will be the first
thing that she understands. Right, But I've heard this from

(01:01:24):
people before, like you can communicate love without saying it. Yeah,
sometimes even saying it and not behaving it right is worse. Right,
So you're almost tricking somebody. You're like, you're telling me
you love them, but then you're not around, you're not
doing whatever. But you could feel, you could feel the
love from her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Huh, absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Why what I think the thing is she took my mom,
she raised her nine kids, and took my mom three,
and there's no question in my mind that she loved
my mom three more than she loved her own.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Why so for us, why is that you know they
say that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Grandparents love the grand more than they love their own kids.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Because I think the thing is is that you know
you have a better understanding because as a parent, this
is your first experience and now you know it is
now you know how to do it, so you get
a second crack around to try to raise to raise grandkids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And man, it was I know I'm not here.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
I'm not We don't accomplish my brother and I don't
accomplish nearly what we accomplished. And I used to have
be it, you know. I used to have the idea,
Andrew Is that I would look at like, man, I
did it, everybody could be able to do it. But
then it really dawned on me one day, sitting alone.
Everybody doesn't have a Mary Porter. So that's maybe why,
maybe they had the same desire.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Why do you think you're so comfortable giving credit to
other people?

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Because I realized how you don't realize how much one
can accomplish if he or she doesn't mind who gets
the credit. I'm okay, I'm okay mentioned in CJ. I'm
okay missioning Ashley who runs a night captain. I ain't
got no problem my brother, my coaches ain't got no problem.
I understand that, yes I'm the face of it, but

(01:03:03):
I do realize that there are people behind the scenes
that make this machine go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
And I'm cool with that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I think it means And again I don't want to
speak for CJ, but like I think it probably means
so much to even hear yourself be mentioned, especially when
you're like behind the camera, and I think it makes
those people you know, work and grind that much harder,
but usually they're not mentioned. A lot of people, I think,
especially in Hollywood, are so empty. There's just this bottomless

(01:03:29):
pit they're trying to fill constantly. But that's what I
saw from the speech. You are full and I don't
know if And the reason I brought up the Grandma
love thing is that, like, I think that happens when
you're young.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I think that you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
You I don't know, say decide, but you're raised in
a way that like you worthy of love and you're
worthy of greatness. And I think that's the people that
you're around, right, And there are people that aren't raised
like that, and they're constantly trying to fill it. And
we've all interacted with those people and they sometimes can
be entertaining but also suck and they're exhausting after a while.
And yeah, it's just cool to know that that happens. Yeah,

(01:04:08):
just through straight investment. She just invested with you. Yes, right,
She's like she's there for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
When people say they gave you their last I remember
being in college and she was sending five bucks and
you know, Noah was a this all this all Granny.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Got wow, And I appreciated that. I just I just knew.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Although I was born in Glenn, lived in Glenn, but
I was born in Chicago, lived in Glenville. My mind
was a million miles away. That's why I was. But
that was what my mind was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
And were you ever able to communicate how important she
was to you to her?

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
I don't think even Yeah, yeah, even though I didn't
say it. When I would go home and people would say, Mary,
you did a great job with those boys. They're so
respectful though, so well mannered. It yes, or it's no serious, Yes, ma'am,
it's no, ma'am. She didn't really care about the football stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, because that's your dreamn Yeah, she.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Didn't really care about that. She didn't she could.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
I mean, it got her a life that she probably
wouldn't enjoy the last you know, thirty plus years of
a life. But that was being good people. That's what
she wanted her grain that's what she wanted a kids
and grandkids to be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
My pops has dementia, right, so he's losing his memory.
He really has no short term memory anymore. He still
holds on to some like old memories, and it's like
one of those things that every time I see him,
I'm like, have I communicated in my life how incredibly
important he was?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
You know? And yeah, you just hope you do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Like but again, maybe you do it without the words,
like your mom, your grandma communicated her love to you without.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You should never start saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
So maybe we've also communicated their importance to us without
saying I guess we can hope that even though I
have said it, tell him every single time. But you're
just like, you just hope before they leave that they
know that their everything.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
I'm a little older than you, and I grew up
in an era. They fed you, they closed you, they
took care of you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
That was love. So I don't need to tell you
you got food on the table. You got to sing
on your back. That's love. And so that's that's the way.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
And you know, and you have to break that because
a lot of times you raise your kids like you
were raised because that's what you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, so for me, you know, you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Had to, like I had to, you know, tell myself, Okay,
I love my kids. I have to tell them. I
didn't get telled, but I knew she did. I knew
my grandfather loved me because of how they treated me
in what they did for me. You take somebody else's
kids and you raised them as your.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Own, that's love.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Because you got kids now, yeah, for sure you know
what that is. To raise Absolutely, that's a different game.
I actually think that we lose sight of that a
little bit. I think that I think in yeah, I
don't think that we give enough credit to the women
who stay home to raise children full time. And I
think that in an effort to be progressive, right, like

(01:07:03):
my mom worked, you know, it was her business. But
in effort to be progressive, you know, we put so
much on women where like, you should work, but you
should also take care of the king. You should also
take care of the house and all this stuff. And
I think we've lost sight of how important just doing
that thing is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Right, But we grew up in an Arado. The women
did that. They worked, then took care of that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
But in that era there was a I would imagine
there was a great respect and honor of those women, right,
they were the center of the house. Great, It's like,
I mean, you could see contrived stereotypes. But like the
grandma was the focal figure of the home. It don't
matter if she's the Italian grandma, the Black grandma, whatever
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
The family rotates around her. What she says goes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
She keeps the old family together and there's this great
honor and respect. And I worry in like my wife's time,
you know that, Like my wife has this like guilt
for staying home with the baby. No, she got her MBA.
She was working for Apple, you know what I mean,
She's and then, but that's what she wanted to do.
And she almost feels like she has to explain to
people when they ask what she's up to. And I

(01:08:08):
I hope we maybe get back to a time where hey, women,
you want to work, that's great, But if you want
to raise your family.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
That's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That's a job. That's work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
That's incredible. Yeah, I think that'd be really cool in
our lifetime if we could get back to that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
You mentioned that you were earlier in your career you
was telling a joke and a guy punched you with
that The only incident with somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
No, I used to get in fights all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Is that how that's why you start started boxing to
learn how to fight so you can see.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I mean, I think it's important for a man to
be able to defend themselves. I think it's good for
your self esteem and your character. Now I'm no like
tough guy, like I'm not trying to fight people ever like,
but I do think for your confidence too. I think
every guy should kind of learn some form of self defense,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I mean, I mean, you got a mic stand, you
ain't hit it with the mics standing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
It's also you have to understand, like this show is
at a restaurant. I'm performing, like on the floor in
front of like the bus station at the restaurant. So
like I thought he's getting up to go to the
bathroom or something. I got no clue exactly what's going on.
It's not like he watched the stage. I mean, my
body says, we'll tingle it. You know what I mean, Malcolm,
h you know what I mean, Like they would tangle

(01:09:22):
in the second I got about ninety sixth Street.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
So did that that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
But that didn't deter you from because clearly he was the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
People throw bottles of beer at me I've had recently.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
That's early your career. Yeah, early in my.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Career, because at that time you have the ideas, but
you don't have the skills to make them funny every
single time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
It's still got to be silly enough, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Like, for example, that joke that I made about the
with the ships and gigs, about the black worn effect,
it wasn't silly enough where even like the most person
who is most easily offended, still found it funny. But
there's a way where it can be silly. There's a
way where there's like an artistry in it. And and
like earlier in my career, I hadn't developed the artistry,

(01:10:05):
and like now, like when I'm on stage, I think
it's different than podcasts we're you just shooting. But on
the stage, I think I'm pretty good at like getting
getting away with that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Were you on joke stealing?

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Because I've heard I've heard people say, nah, that's taboo,
don't you no jokes? And then some some I've heard
comedians lately say, hey, write better jokes. My pushback is
if somebody writes a song, sings a song, and then
you come behind the saying, say and change a few words,
write a better song.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
No you stole that person's you can't you can't steal.
You can't steal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
It's like it's also it's also in comedy. You have
to understand, Like, for so, comedy is really popular now. Yeah,
shout out Joe Rogan, you know what I mean, Like
it's just amazing his influence and like really just made
it this like cultural sensation right right, But the reality
is that like before that, we weren't really cared about
or respected. You know, I love comedy always. I grew

(01:10:55):
up on comedy, but like it's not like Hollywood took
it serious. There's not a lot of money in it,
to be honest with you. Back now, there's money, but
like back then, Hollywood couldn't make real things at it.
They try to make a sitcom, but the stand up
they're not really caring about. So the only thing we
had were these jokes and the idea that like it
could take you a year to develop a joke and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Then somebody else goes and does.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
It, even if they change the premise of it, like
I might tell a joke what a bottle, and you
tell a joke with a can.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
If the steal steal, here's the thing. If they're if
they're stealing it. This is another thing comics got to
understand too. It's like it's possible more than one person
has the same idea.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Okay, okay, okay, So like if somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Is stealing, like they're literally going, hey, I saw that,
now I'm going to use it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
That's wrong, right, But like there's just jokes that I
do or have done that I've seen other people kind
of do similar. Yeah, and like my knee jerk reaction
isn't that guy's a thief. My knee jerk reaction is
like I thought I was a more unique idea than
it is, but maybe somebody else also had a unique idea,
like I don't want to imediately put thief on you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
And now with the internet and this is this that's
like humbling I think the comics.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
It's like there's billions of people tweeting the funniest thing
they could tweet. Yeah, every angle about the president getting
shot in the air is going to be said. You're
not going to say anything like that only you said, right,
Like that's even why not?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
This isn't the reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
But like my last special not to like shamelessly plug
but like just a really personal story. But it's it's
it's on Netflix more sport now, but like it's a
personal story because this is the thing I went through.
So I hope other people talk about, you know, maybe
trouble getting pregnant and starting family. I hope other people
do so it takes away the stigma. But also like this,

(01:12:43):
this is my experience, that's your story, So there's you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Like in a time where everybody can have their hot
take about politics or whatever it is, I felt like
maybe this is going to be more unique and I
can I can separate myself a little bit from it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah, I get that sometimes, Like I don't watch sports
with the sound.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Wait, really know why.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
Because I don't want I don't want them to influence
what I'm gonna say. For example, so when I'm watching
a football game, there's no sound.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
This is so interesting when I'm creating a set, like
when I'm creating whatever, I don't watch any stand up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
When I'm creating my hour, I don't watch it because
I don't want it to influence me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
A wow, So now you know when you go up
that night and you say something, if stephen A said
something similar, you in your heart at least know No,
you both just good for you And what a great idea,
because it sucks if that is your reaction and then
you see someone else having You're like, but I organically
thought of that, Like I've never saw.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Sometimes with such a such said that. I was like,
I don't know what he said because I didn't listen
to the sound, so I don't know what he or
he said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
This is my what I'm watching the game. This is
what I deduce from it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Do you put music on with it? Do you put
a podcast on with it? So you just watch in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Silence, watching in silence like a serial killer.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
But but you know, it's gotten so bad. I watched
all this stuff like that. Now, I watched, I watched
regular TV.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
You got subtitles on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
No, I'm just I'm just I'm just looking shn this
is a problem, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Maybe there's storylines and there's dialogue that are very important.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
So you're watching Severance with no sounds?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
I mean a lot of stuff I watched. I rewatched.
I already know what he's saying. I'm just laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah, what about porn?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Now, I don't get in the poor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
You don't do porn. Really, you didn't watch your boys porn?
He said he was doing an amateur porn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Man, you'll be trolling.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Who do you think's got a bigger I don't know
what you are thinker, Who do you think? Who do
you thinks got bigger than you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Have no idea?

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Would he would he think that he is a bigger
one for you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Man, he had the surgery, so okay, but okay, so
post surgery you think he's bigger.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
I mean, I don't know. He say he went from
three to eleven, So I'm gonna take it word.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Do they put it at the end or did they
put it in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
I have no idea that was, you know. I mean,
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
You think they just put a whole head on.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
They got a place in Grand Junction where the people
go and they have real assignment and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Oh, you can take someone out and put it on
yours like a mister potato.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Nah, they don't work like that, bro't Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
I'm pretty sure? Wow?

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
I mean I don't think you can just take somebody's
finger and stick it on yours. It's got to be yours, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
I don't know, I don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
But you know, if you have a loser finger, you
lose an arm.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
I don't think you can put somebody else's arm on
your arm and they have to be yours, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Well, you can put someone's eyeballs into your face. I
saw that Will Smith movie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Where he did that. I robot No, sixteen pounds or
something like that. Oh, and then he gave the liver.
You can give all sorts of bou Yeah, yeah, you
get your heart. You can't give them your cock. Of
course you could give them your cock. No, you wouldn't.
You wouldn't on your deathbed a lot bequeath.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
No, I'm gonna use it when I go to heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
What are you gonna do up there in heaven with that? Hey? Hey,
you called?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
You did catch some flag?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
You off this kind of you did? You did catch
some How do I what?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
I catch some flag for transgender?

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
What I say about the transgender Well, you I mean
used like I guess you said transgender women is like
blacks and sports because they kind of like took it over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I said, no, no, No, you're sens is why you
can't tell the joke no inserted, you can insert it.
What did I say? I got, I gotta, I gotta
hear hold on, let me, let me get to the
exact one. That joke is good, But I don't think women.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Are taking over women's sports to black taking over propecional
professional sports. Black runs faster, jump higher than white.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Well you used to you used to still do no, no, no, no,
White Scott White skot is back then.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Well, y'all got Mac McClung through time dunk champs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Sam, we're the three time dunk champs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Cooper de John got a peak in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
You know, we got the best defensive. I mean, it's
really something's good in the water. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I think in the NBA Nicola Jo, who could don Chic?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
We got? Who could don Chic?

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
We got?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I mean it's kind of crazy right now. Whites are
having a comeback. Yeah, what's going on? What do you
think it is?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
You got one dB? Y'all got two DB's. Wait, who's
the other horns? Uh there's a dB from the Broncos.
I think he went to the same school.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Might have he's a white guy Houston that comes up
on our radar. Yeah, yeah, Okay, but that's a big deal.
The white TV is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
It's a very big, big d.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Why do you think that is? Why do you think
there's so few white TV's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
I mean every once in a while, Scott Case was
in the league. When I was in the league, I
played against Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
C Jason Seahorn, but he was getting cooked. He was good.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
He was good until it hurt his knee. Oh that
was yeah, he was really good. He heeded and he
didn't get.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Because his knee didn't know he was white. And then
once his knee found out he was white, It's like,
what are we doing playing in this position? Let me
start coaching something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I don't think. I don't think the guys go out
for those positions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Why why, I mean normally careful we might be talking
about no, no, no, no, I wouldn't want you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I don't think they go out for that position.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
They normally play wide receiver, they play quarterback, they play
they'll play safety, yes, that is. The corner is a
is a is a speed position, a lot of skill,
a lot of technique, and a lot of guys they
you know, feel they're better equipped to play safety.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Here's the joke. Credit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Okay, I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
The trans women are like win a sports with them.

Speaker 10 (01:18:41):
But I'll be honest, kids, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
For today when trans women completely replaced women women at.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Better sports.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Like I have a Martin Luther King tree in one day,
trans women completely replaced women women and women's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Sports and the women, well know what white people went through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
What we let the black people play sports different? It's
not we have no sympathy for your ladies. We hear
you on the news like how can we when they
run faster than terpire? We're like, Oh, I wonder what
that is?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Light? I wonder, I wonder that must be so difficult
to have a group of people anyway, that's the job.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Who is your my rushmore comedians?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
You do?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
I don't know what New York. It's four.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
There's only you're going to get four heads because people
be trying to put five, six, seven heads or one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Sure you got four the trese on Neil okay, uh,
Eddie Bernie mac Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Rock nine Fold group. Yeah, who influenced you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
First person I ever listened to do stand up was
Eddie Murphy was my father. He put in a cassette
tape now we're dating myself here, but like not VHS
audio and we listen to Delirious. Okay, I remember seeing
my dat. No, I was born in eighty three, so
this is later, but maybe it came out of it. Yeah,
And he was doing a bit about like what if

(01:20:08):
mister t was gay? What if mister Ralph kramm alma alma,
And I saw my dad laughing so hard, and like
from that moment, I can tell you the exact moment
that I knew I was gonna be a comedian before
even knowing it. But it was like, I want to
make my dad laugh like that, and uh oh, Eddie
was just a genius. And then I got roped into
buying those Deaf comedy jam VHS tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Remember when he was like there was some one eight
hundred number. I called it from a house.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I'm like, Mom, I need your debit card or whatever,
like I'm getting sent the new Deaf comedy jam VHS.
And then I saw Kings of Comedy with some friends
in the movie theater. We watching a movie theater and
I saw Bernie Mack and I was like, wow, that
is truly the funniest human being I've ever seen. In
my life, and at this point in my time in
my life, I didn't really know that there were bits.

(01:20:54):
And he was so conversational, like if you remember Bernie,
Like like he was funny and then the jokes were
like the sprinkles on top, but he himself just exists
as a funny human being, and oh my god, it
was just like I was just watching this like super
genius on stage. And then I saw Patrise O'Neil when

(01:21:15):
I was doing comedy as a when I was doing
comedy as like a comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Early on, and I was like, Oh, that is that
is the craft at its highest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
It does not get in my opinion from everybody I've
seen in person, that is the craft at its highest.
Rest in peace, Patrisa. Have you seen Patrise before? Go
watch Elephant in the Room if you can. It's probably
on Netflix. It is. I mean, if you want to
talk about like his ability to control attention, his ability

(01:21:47):
to like to lure you into his thought process and
get you to take down your guard. A lot of
times when we're watching stand up, we're almost kind of
guarded to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Be like, all right, where's the joke, where's a joke?
But he so quickly gets.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
You to just gets arms and we're hanging bro.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Hey, we're hanging out, and you're you're just looking at
a super genius and who's whose skill of communication in
the world is making people laugh and the little things
that he like sets traps for the audience. Then dunks, Oh,
it's just to me, that's the highest it's ever been done,
is patrise O.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Neil, did you I read where you fail? H Chapelle
took a shot at you on Rogan.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
About the slide show called it like a slide show.
I mean, I had some pictures in it, but yeah,
but yeah, I guess that. I think it was more
like Rogan was like building me up and he was
just being the great guy he always is, which is
like trying to build up young talents and like giving
them praise. And like he's sitting across from you know,

(01:22:49):
someone who's recognizes is the goat as as they should,
like he's brilliant, and I think that he was like
really kind of like serving it up for for Dave
to be like, hey, yeah, he'sally good, and then he
was kind of like I don't know about that, you know,
And I think Yeah, there's party that's like, ah, man,
I wish.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
It didn't go that way, but it's okay. It is
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
I've not had one person come on this show and
say anything bad about Joe Rogan. They give him his flowers,
like Joe, hey, you need this call Joe. You won't
support called Joe, Joe's gonna highlight you Joe, Jo Jo Jojo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
What is it about Joe Rogan? What makes Joe Rogan
so special?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
It's benevolent king.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Most people that have the disposition that allows them to
become powerful are not good. It's very rare you get
a person that wants power, yes, and wants to help.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Usually people that want power have like a psychosist, they
have an issue, right, and they're like crazy people like
every tyrant of any country that most of them are
not like benevolent Right, And he's a person who I
don't think he ever was like I'm gonna be the
most influencer, I'm gonna be whatever. Yeah, but throughout the
entire time has looked out for other people. Like the

(01:24:07):
amount of people he's just made millionaires, amount of people
he's made thousandaires, Like the amount of people that he's
is just unbelievable. So I think when you feel that,
and you feel that from someone a position that does
not need to do that, and when most people don't,
there's a lot of gratitude.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
There's a lot of gratitude towards him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
I think I had Kat on and Kat, we know,
pulled the curtain back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I don't think people knew that comedians were at each
other like this as much as they were. And I
think Kat pulled a scab back, pulled a curtain back, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Did you know are you on?

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Do you? I mean, I think it's really competitive.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Really everybody says that, Yeah, I think it's like to me,
I think it's really competitive, and like, we just don't
really share our business publicly a lot, and I think
Kat kind of shared it, right, But I think there's
a lot of competition, and I think sometimes there's like
a scarcity mindset where it's like, oh, because he's doing this,
I'm not, which is not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
There's a lot of nights out, people got to go
to shows. Nobody's taking food off your plate. But sometimes
when you don't have something you're looking for and a
reason why as to why but it's just like when
I see guys arguing over like who could cover who
on a podcast. You're going to be competitive, and then
the people who are super successful. When you reach a

(01:25:29):
certain level of success, people are looking for reasons why
you shouldn't be that way. Like I'm sure you experienced
it when this show was like a fledgling show. You
remind everybody of their dreams. Once you do eighty million
views and your millions of this and millions of dollars,
you got your own cognac. Now you remind people of
what they have not accomplished. So now they start going like, oh,

(01:25:52):
but he.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Just does this, and he just does that, Oh he
sold out to Hollywood or he a part of the Luminati.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
So which is like the greatest compon you can get.
I like, once people start saying you're Illuminati, yeah you
made it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
That's listen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Making it as a black dude in America is either
you're gay or you're part of the Illuminati.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Yeah, that's how you make. If you don't have a
gay rumor and you don't have Illuminati, you haven't made yet.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
But here's the thing, Yeah, is that what you guys
say in y'all community. When a white guy makes it no.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
We say Epstein's Island like he was on the flight
locks No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
But I think what happens is there is this like
competition and then sometimes now that there are these platforms,
it kind of gets out right and it just.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Comes from uh, you know, people people wanting a little
bit more.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
But here's the thing though, shows is that eighty percent
of the money that's in circulation was printed since twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
So there's a lot more money out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
So if they run out, they'll print more.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
Yeah, I'm not taking See, you can't get mad at
results you didn't get for work you didn't put in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
You're speaking logically, but people react off emotion man, and
I think sometimes emotionally they're just trying to find a
reason why they aren't where you are. Yeah I'm not
where he is because I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
But you're not working hard because you criticize me and
say all you do is work. You ain't got no life,
I see, not why you're not married?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? So it's like you work,
you work too hard, and that's why you're not married.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Right, if you were married they'd be like, yeah, but
you don't really care about your family because you're always working.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Like correct, there's always going to find a way to
tear you down.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
But again, it has nothing to do with you, right,
It's just now you're at a level where it's you know, you,
you remind people of what they haven't achieved, and that's
But also, here's the thing. When we get to those levels,
we can't really about it. That's the cost of success.
A lot of people get to those levels and they
complain about all the hate and that kind of shit,

(01:27:48):
and it's like, nah, you got to pay the piper.
If you want to sit across from a dude and
drink Konyac can make millions of dollars and wear a
yoga outfit, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Gonna have to deal with some people's on you online.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
But I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
It's surprising. It's more surprising because you're like, I'm a
good person.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I help people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
I go through the same thing. I'm like, I'm good
to all my people. Everybody around me is eating, Like
I'm a generous person, like I want other people to win.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
But that has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
You've reached a level where your success is going to
make certain people feel a way they're gonna want chip away.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
That's a human instinct. It's in us, and we got
to take it. We can't cry about it. This is
the cost of success.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Well, why did my success make you feel?

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
If?

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
What make you feel bad about yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
That's human instinct. Unfortunately, it's human instinct. It's just who
we are. The only people that we're not upset. We're
not like mad about their success. Also, the easier the
thing that you do to be successful is the more
resentment people have. So, like comedy is scary for people.
So like a lot of times, like if people are
upset of my they're not really upset of my stand

(01:28:55):
up success. But podcasting looks like the easiest world. Like
anybody can hang out with their friend and call each
other gay for two hours, right, that's podcasts. Right, So
it's like not saying we've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
We would never do such a thing anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
But like, so the easier the thing is and the
more money you make in it, the more resentful it
is because they're like I could also do that. But
here's the reality. It's there are intangibles here that are
really difficult. You setting up the systems, you finding a
guy like CJ. You building all this, you finding a
new venue every single time, structuring it, scheduling like, these
things are tricky, but us complaining about how hard it

(01:29:31):
is doesn't help our cause either. This is the cost
of doing business. And we got to be grateful because
every person you admire probably got hater. They called Tom
Brady a system quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
That's how you know. Did you call him that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Okay, but that's how exactly. But that's how you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
It's like there's always going to be something to be said,
and that is just the cost of success. There are
very few people who are like unanimously beloved and successful, right, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
I don't even know any who Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
You don't think that we were hating on Mike. I'm
a Knicks fan.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Oh you had reason to hate it. But see, you
was hating because and that's that's what I tell people.
When I played for the Broncos or the Ravens, I
understood the Steelers was gonna dislike me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
I understood Kansas City of Certainty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Yes there's a justification and this I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
It feels you feel like it's it's there's like an unfairness,
like this isn't based in reality. If you want to
criticize you for a reason that you might agree with,
then you'd be like, Okay, I can do better at that, right,
But it feels like it's just hate to hate, And
unfortunately that's part of the cost of success.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I'm learning, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I mean, you're gonna get used to it. You got
a lot of success.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.

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