Club Shay Shay - Dave Portnoy Part 2

Dave Portnoy On Cancel Culture, Kanye West, Skip Bayless, LeBron, Tom Brady, Taylor Swift, Celtics, Patriots, Barstool Sports & Call Her Daddy

Dave opens up about the deal that shocked the industry—selling Barstool for $500 million and then buying it back for just $1. He explains why he doesn't believe he can be cancelled, why he rarely apologizes, and how he’s thrived by embracing controversy. From beefs with Jason Whitlock and Michael Rapaport to the Angel Reese vs. Caitlin Clark debate and calling Reese “classless”, Portnoy gives his unfiltered opinions.

He breaks down his best and worst purchases, winning $2.6 million betting on UConn, being called a "legitimate degenerate" by his dad, and his past bankruptcy. He weighs in on crypto scams, the Hawk Tuah crypto controversy, and even Gisele Bündchen moving on from Tom Brady.

He talks about his ex-wife still able to access his bank account and his defense of Taylor Swift against Kanye West. He also dives into the TikTok ban, Mahomes vs. Brady, Jerod Mayo’s unfair exit from the Patriots, and his Top 5 Celtics of all time.

He speaks on the Lakers getting Luka Doncic, Bronny James entering the NBA, Larry Ellison’s recruiting tactics with Bryce Underwood, and interviewing Donald Trump. Portnoy talks his past run for mayor of Boston, shares the best advice he’s ever received, and reveals his Top 5 fast food chains.

This is Dave Portnoy—raw, controversial, unapologetic, and more transparent than ever. You don’t want to miss this brutally honest, wildly entertaining deep-dive into the mind of one of the most polarizing and powerful figures in sports media.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway.
Who shot you the most that they left? Have you
been surprised by anyone that they ended up leaving?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Not big names, No, not on the talent side.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I had like a guy who was like worked for
the Goat went and worked for the World Empire State Building. That's.
That's like you're going to work for bricks, that's but
not not on the talent side, because again, we pay
really competitively, really well, and we're a good place to work.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm gonna give you of the talent that you've lost.
I'm gonna give you the opportunity to bring one of
them back. You can pay them what they're getting, but
you only get one.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
You only get one back of fee.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Call her daddy busting with the boys, Caleb, Are they gonna?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
The question would be, well, do I know everything about
them that I know right now?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Will Compton, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Wow, So will be the guy that you'd be willing
to break the bank for. If you can break and
say you know what, the guy say, you know what,
if you give him X, we can say we can
save it, we can sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be Well.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
The reason is I think he's the most loves barstool
the most, like we get you know, I'll get people
put in front of me and their starts. A lot
of times it's like, well are they are they bought
into what we do? Do they want to like be
in these stupid like we had a skills competition, like
grooting last night's announcing it happy?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Or are they their own thing?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Like That's why I didn't say mcavie McAfee is a
super nova, but he's he's got a lot of interest
and he's w w E is this Like we want
guys who are like you know where. Yeah, it's like
I want to be here in the doors the more.
So that's why i'd say, well, okay, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Uh damn bigcats bringing him away weekly listeners. I mean,
I'm looking at this, bro, I just don't I'm skilled.
I'm I figured it out and I've been looking at it.
I'm like, how do you create.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
This so that that is the number one SPORTSCA sports podcast,
I say, of all time, Like for the longevity they're
doing it, the numbers. He's maybe the most unappreciated guy
because he never went to a mainstream network He's just
a super talented, super hard working guy and people love him.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And PFT is.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Wildly talented, right time, right place and exploded. And I mean,
you know how hard it is to do stuff, Like
a lot of people come into this and they think
it's your throwy glove on the field and the thing
will be a.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Lot of work.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
It is. People think you need. All you need is
a camera and a microphone and that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, So these guys work their asses off.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
They've changed the whole way a lot of people do podcasts,
and people used to not put stuff out on Mondays
till after NFL Sunday. These guys were at the office
after the games. So they're just super talented, super hard
working and early.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
How did you two meet?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
He was a fan.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
So when I expanded outside of Boston, I said, we're
looking for guys in different cities.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
He applied. But how do you treat loyalty?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Because it seems like to me, umber one thing, you're
a very loyal guy and this I think it's for you.
And I'm just sitting here talking to you and I
don't really I didn't know you before we sit down.
I still don't know you. But I'm having a conversation
with you as I see you, as I talk to you.
Loyalty is the foundation of which everything you do.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Number one thing, number one thing.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
If you're loyal to me, I'll be wildly I mean
wildly loyal to you.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
But if you look at.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Us, we've had a guys who've been here, like employee
number one is still there. People have made millions when
we did equity deals just on like handshakes, and it's
a two way street.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And that's why I think, and all the way has
been respectible.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's also gets me trouble sometimes because I feel like
I've been crossed. You know, you may hit me with
a feather and I come back with like a sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Always like an equal thing.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But yeah, loyalty is a huge part of I don't
know why this is my personality.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
What happened to the ESPN deal? You had an ESPN
deal and you mentioned earlier that you you they canceled
it after one show.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, they did, so here it real quick. Dan and
I used to do a podcast basically when no one
knew who we were, and we talked college football. Okay,
so at the time, Sam Ponder just took over for
Aaron Andrews. We're watching and she had a kid. The
kid was on the podcast. We made craft jokes about

(04:17):
her where like nobody wants to see your kids, Sam,
we want to slutt it up.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's what I said, something.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
To that effect.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
By the way, I stand by, like, guys will watch
us here, pretty slutted up? Whatever, kid, this was the
Wild West. I didn't even know he said it. Fast
forward five years, they get the show and there was
a rebellion within ESPN, like, you know what these guys
said about you back in the day, and I think
there was so much pressure they canceled the show. Who
is the agent of hers who started?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
He's a big deal? Con Nick con Yeah, and then
he asked me, Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Asked me to a fight in New York, like three
weeks after it happened. I sent I go, do you
think I don't know what the just happened?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
At ESPN?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Like I know, complained, Yeah, so that's what happened to
yes man.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Bro, How the hell do you sell a company for
five for over half a bill and then back for
a book.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's one of the great trades of all times.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Was so we were sold to a gambling company. Yes,
gambling super regulated. You need licenses of Our state regulator
in Indiana doesn't like you. You're in trouble. I'm a
controversial guy. It was definitely creating issues for pen getting licenses.
They had an opportunity to do this deal with ESPN,

(05:40):
and I think they're like, you know, we're not the
right holder for barstool, rather than go to war with
me that we're friends.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That are like, this just didn't work.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Essentially, it was losing money at the time, so we
cut that deal.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I got the company back. I think they would have
taken it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
A lot of people would have lost their jobs because
wasn't a need for a lot.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Of what we have.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Idiots like, what are they gonna do if they lose
their job? They've done nothing else. So there's a bunch
of factors all coming together again. It worked out for
me right time.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Right Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
But for a dollar they dollar, you.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Can't give it to somebody that's gonna be an official
sale dollar?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Why not? Okay?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Why not one hundred million? Okay, they would have lost
four hundred and fifty million, but.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Damn, I won't pay one hundred million for it.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, And I look at like this, I knew we
were alive. It's like I'm the guy like Daan's with me,
Like you need me bought in on whatever you're doing
with Barstool.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, I want to pay a hundred But why why
didn't sell it to another company?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
You need me in that probably too, Like what if
you sell that to a company I don't like? And
it's like, hey, this thing my baby that I've been
working on twenty years, maybe my right, Like yeah, they
they liked us, and it's like I don't think they
wanted to create a war, especially in the scheme of
what they did with ESPN, Like this was kind of small.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Either're a billion dollar company.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, so in the scheme of their world, it's like
we get along with them, let's let's do right by them.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
So let me get this straight. That wasn't the first
time that you sold barstool second.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Second first sale was to the Churning Group Peter Churney right, yep,
Rupert Murdoch's longtime second in command for fifteen million with
fifteen fifty one percent equity. The second sale to the
Pin Group one hundred and sixty three million, thirty six
percent of the company. The third sale pin Group three
and eighty eight million, one hundred percent of the company.
You said you'd never sell Barstool again.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
In the deal we did.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
If I sell it again, pen gets fifty percent of
the proceeds, so that right off.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
The bat kind of prevents it.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And we're doing great. Like I I didn't love living
in someone else's world, So you know, I like where
we're at now.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
If you want to write me a check for a.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Billion, I'll read like you know, yeah, I never say
never build purcells.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I reserve the right to change my mind.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Do you have to sell a company and become super
rich in America?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Or being finance like those finance guys who are trading.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
For private equity?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, you know when you buy it for a little
you know, you getting on the bottle ports like Google
or something like.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
That, Know those guys I mean next level? But yeah, yeah,
I think you do.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Can I ask you this, why don't you think you
could be canceled?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Because you say some pretty you it's some pretty some
pretty outlandish things.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
If you back up a couple of things, if you
give people an inch, they'll take a mile. You can't
apologize for things that you don't think you've really up
or said bad things about which I haven't really done.
I stand by almost everything I've said. I think some
things may be out of contact, misconstrued. But if you
have a fan base that knows you, that truly knows you,

(08:47):
and mine does for like they've been following for twenty years,
they'll they'll have your back. Provided you know, I don't
think we've ever done anything out of hate, out of misery,
out of anything.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
You don't believe, you don't feel that you've done anything deliciously.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I know I haven't done anything maliciously. And again I
a perfect example. And I know you're a Caitlin Clark fan.
I've seen I live for Caitlin Clark. I ignited to
a degree. I want to say the race aspect of
Angel Reese versus Caitlyn I will go to my grave
there was no race bind it. I watched a national championship.

(09:21):
I bet on Iowa.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm a Caitlin Clark fan.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I thought what Angel Reese did at the game was classless,
nothing to do with the color risk, and I tweeted
that and became a race. He's only said I had
nothing to do with that. I will stand forever. And
I think the way they acted for a long time
where Caitlyn didn't say a word and she's taken bullets
like they are coming out, that's not a race issue
to me.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
For whatever reason with.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Me like well, Gilly apologize for me, They're like, oh,
we don't stand with Dave on that now. They told
me they were going to do it, but people there's
pressure outside. I will go to my grave. That's not
I'm never going to apologize for that because it wasn't malicious.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I stand by it.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
And by the way, the biggest enemy is I got
a white Roger Guill, Peyton Manning and the heat of
the rivals. So it's like, you can, I'm not gonna
cater if the outside world's gonna take what I say
and just be all this is a racist, She's not.
I hate Lebron.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know why hate Lebron?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Whoa whoa whoa whoa hate Lebron? Do we have part ways?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Because you know what Celtics Lebron were heeded rivalry and
you know who hated Lebron more than I did? Kg Rondo. Yeah,
so yes, I hate his guts and that's a rivalry thing.
So it is tough a lot of times though, Like that,
if I still show a picture of video of Angel

(10:38):
Reese like airball and a layup, people will be like,
that's because it's a race. It's like, no, it's because
I love Caitlyn. I don't like her because their rivals
and that's sports. Do you think it was orchestrated?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Do you think people actually write hit pieces or say
things or do things to try to see you fail?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, no doubt, that's not even that's a fact. That
is it gonna get dark tonight? Yes, I know that's
a fact.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
But why what is it that people get wrong about
day putting it?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think people get a lot of things wrong.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think I call it as I see it, But
I mean I was I was saying the victim of
a pretty aggressive smear campaign, like a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Ago, like Business Insider.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And when you say, do I think it's a coordinate attack,
this is when we're part of Penn. Two vicious hit
pieces on me released the day before Penn's earnings, Like
that that that's a hit piece. That's not Hey, we
really think and I know the tactics went around reporting.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't know. For that one.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I thought maybe because I got involved in this game
stop which like that stock thing, and I was chilling a.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Lot of big wigs. So I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think people get a little leary, maybe of voices
that they feel like they can't control, Like it's, hey,
we can't get this guy to say whatever, he's a
loose cannon. Or I've offended people. I've said things like
I ran the owner of the Mets, Steve Cohen, off Twitter,
like he deleted his account because I was hammered him
during game time. Oh. People be like, that's the worst

(12:10):
enemy you could ever want in a million billion years.
We're past it, But who knows. I really don't know.
I used to have I can see people at I've
had a lot of enemies.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah. Do you have a PR team? No? No? Do
you have a lot of free heads? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh my yeah. I don't believe in pr PR. I've
I've never I don't want pr. PR is telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I've seen you popping bottles in the pool with company.
The people that came for you, they go down, correct.
Why do you why do you feel that you need
to celebrate their demise?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Nuts not good.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's my personality. It's what fuels me.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, Tom Brady's crying because he got passed over
by six quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I get fueled by people who doubted.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Me, who or more more accurately, for the Bottles, who
have gone out of their way to create difficulties for us,
the company.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
They It's never I don't want.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Someone to like die, but I want their professional life
to be.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
You want the professional left that. I don't want you
to do that literally, but I want you.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like Skipper's the perfect example. We had the Bottle, we
puffed it, he canceled. You can cancel our show, but
to not call us and be like, hey, we're having
a company. I found out on the TV, like I
found out he never told us that. To me, it's like,
all right, you're dead to me now. It's that's how you're.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Gonna treat this.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
We've been talking to you for a year and a
half and you don't even tell us the shows cancer.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
How dirty can this business get? Is it a dirty business?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Media?

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's real dirty.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
But I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Again, there's certain Did you know it was this kind
of this kind of way before you got really like
no into it.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I don't know as much as like the internal art
I think our company is naut overly like what goes
on at in ESPN eternable.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I've heard rumors it's pretty dirty, but there's different elements
of it, Like I don't concern I ended up getting
in like the politics realm a little bit. That's a scary,
dirty business. Like that's I think a lot of the
hate that comes my way, that's.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
A hell of a lot dirty or that I think media.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I saw this situation going on at Fox skip Joy,
this hair stylish machine, and you was like, the accused
shouldn't listen to their lawyers. If I didn't do anything wrong,
If I didn't say anything wrong, I'm gonna shout it
from the tallest building I can because everybody didn't know.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I ain't have that.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
This is not me and I did not do what
I'm being accused of doing.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, one hundred percent believe that I've been accused of
I didn't do And I mean I went instantly because
I knew I didn't do it. I think a lot
of times people are told, even our company, my lawyers
would be like, don't say It's like, I'm not gonna
perjure myself because I'm telling the truth, right. I think
a lot of companies don't give it about their employees
in that situation Fox, I'm sure the lawyers, I mean don't.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Say absolutely, yeah, you're part of a lawsuit, bro.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, And guess what, they're not looking out for you.
They don't about you. They care about Fox absolutely. If
you're innocent, there's no friends. I would I would scream it.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
But you also, like Jason Whitlock came for you, So
how do you feel about the clown?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Jason Wentland's blocks clown.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Jason Whitlock is.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
On the record as mean, I love Dave Portland. Dave
Portland is the best. He's this Jason Whitlock is a
click chasing clown.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Really, you don't say, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
He's out there calling that girl. What do he's saying?

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Big like butter sugar, Yeah, big peanut butters.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
The next sentence you said that, like.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Have you ever met him?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Never?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
He you know what he's He knows my name, He's
got me a couple of times to his credit. But
he's just fishing. He's taking his a little poll. He's
like maybe they'll bite and I'll get something click right.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I try to ignore it.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I tell people, actually, don't send me bad stuff about me,
because I have a hard time ignoring it.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't even want to know what exists.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
But you do realize that when you do, when you
when you respond to people to take shots, that you
you're giving them content. They're lazy because they can't create
content on their own. So well, let me hope I can.
He can feed me. Yeah, and my Achilles heel is.
I don't give a like. It's like, I know I'm
being played here. I know he's getting clex, but this guy,

(16:34):
he's a clown.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
You're forming Michael Rappaport clown too.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Damn are you friends with him? He's a crazy person.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
We go back and forth. I like Mike, you know,
we not even. I haven't talked to him since I
left Fox, but you know he you know, he's a Lebron.
I like Lebron. He doesn't like Lebron, and so we
go back and forth. We have healthy conversation, healthy banter.
But I don't like I said, I don't really. We
had a huge falling out, so we hired him. I
thought he was super talent, right, Like, he had this
rant on a draft pick of the next But we

(17:04):
had a huge falling out. He essentially seriously said that
all our fans were idiots and stupid, and I had
to let him go. I was still friends with him
at the like, I'm like, I'm sorry, we can't have
you insulting.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Our entire fan base.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah yeah, and still work friendly. Why would he say
that he was in a fight with another one of
our employees and it spiraled. So I woke up to
this huge thing of him just killing our fan base.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, why did he just have if he had an
issue with the guy that worked in the company, why
not take it out of the guys got to do what.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Should have should he?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
We would never have him falling out.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Then after that he started coming at me, which I
don't care. He's like, you know, I want to fight Dave.
I actually sent him I can't even lift my shoulder.
I sent him a contract to fight him in this
boxing thing that he had because he said, we do it.
But fine, all that talking, right, and then he suit us.
So he sued us for saying we defamed him. It's like, dude,
you you started the whole thing so ended up and

(18:05):
I had to go to like a deposition for it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
He calls himself the king of Talk and then he
was suing us over talk.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Let me ask you this, how have you been able
to secure a major sponsorship brand when a lot of
people boycott's like, look y'all with barstool, y'all with point noe.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
How have you been able to do that?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Day?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I think that's shifted because we've come more. We've come
fairly mainstream at this time, and he look, it's like, well,
we had all this talent. That's one the entire media
is moving our way. Like I mean again, I've heard
the stuff you talk about on your show. It's not
too different from anything we talked about on our show.
So he's become more mainstream and we delivered. So you

(18:46):
have those things, and we do right by our clients,
like I remember what I want?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Never mind not telling what happened.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, no, I'm not telling no way.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'd mean, this is the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
How do you decide who you partner with anybody that
comes with a bang?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, it's not just that because it goes back to
what you just said of we tell them, do you
know who we are?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Do you know what Dave is? Do you know what
he does? Pieter Van you know PMT.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Like be secure with what barstool is because we don't
want somebody. At the first sign of trouble, it was like,
what's going on here? We went because that is bad
for them, bad for us. So we gotta find the
right partners. There's a lot of them now. And again
it's crazy because I think we haven't done anything really
when you really look at what we've said and done

(19:40):
and then look at other things that have been said
and like like shack with angels when he's like I
want to see her playing in our underwear and like
running up that. If I said that, I'd be in jail.
Oh yeah, in jail.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Are we going to see more of these deals? We
saw the Kelsey brothers get this big deal. We saw
call it, call you call her daddy, get get this
big deal. Rogan is the top of food He just
got another quarter of a billion dollar deal.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Are we going to see more of these deals?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah? I think so, But yeah I do.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're picking top of the food
chain guys, right, so super talented people.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
But all right, you just named three of the best.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
If you're like, who's the theo, Vonne is definitely up there,
but there's only a hand. There's a hand PMT those
people will but in any business, if you take the
absolute top of the top, yeah, they're.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Still out there.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Investment besides Barstool, what's been your best investment? You say
you don't know anything about crypto. That seems to be
the hot that seems to be the hot investment to
be here.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta know what you're doing there. Most
of my investments have failed. Outside of Barstool, A High
Noon has been an unbelievable partnership. It's not really investment. Yeah,
I'm not good at investing.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Have you ever thought about making barstool its on streaming
service like a Netflix or Amazon?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Not so much in that, I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I mean, would you want to, like, would you want
to like have an NFL game or an NBA game or.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Sometimes we tinkered with league rights, like we had a
Bowl game before Snoop with the Arizona Bawl was ours.
We did a college basketball tournament for me. Our business
model wildly expensive, like to pay for those live rights
and you better have some like huge deals.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So it's not something i'd say it's doing anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
What have you learned most about money?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Once you get it, it's easy to get a lot
more dizzy. Oh yeah, Like it took me ten years
to make anything. If you're like, hey, Dave, you got
to go make an extra five million in the next week,
I could do that like that. Once you got it,
it's once you get the over the hump, it's just

(21:58):
it comes. I remember the first time I saw it,
when I really got a lot, even me, I was like,
I spent five hours of talking about the interest I
was getting on it. I couldn't believe it. It's like
I'm making money not doing it.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's just like that's where you're really making money when
you're sleeping, when you're not working. Yeah, and your money,
your money's working for you although you're not working for it.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
But what it took so long for us to turn
the corner and make money, But once we got going it, it.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Goes what's your best and worst purchase? Are you? Are
you a car guy? You like expressing a car guy?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I got some houses that I love. A horse guy?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Okay, so yeah, like what of horse thoroughbreads.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
So you raise you try to get to the derby.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I wish so I'm poor for that world, like I'm
rich for ninety nine point nine yeah horse, No, I'm
still poor guy.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So it's really hard for me to con.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Know Bob Baffert personally.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I can get you to I know, I know, I
know he's gonna he's gonna need the money to get
the horses. So uh but my houses. I got a
Nantucket house. That's my dream house, the way million Yeah,
richest house in Massachusetts history.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's I grew up going like so my starred barstool.
I would go there for a day. Couldn't even get
a hotel. It's an expensive place barstool. As it was going,
I go for a weekend for a week, for a month.
Finally bought a little place and then I bought, like
my dream house.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
So that's your that's your primary residence in Nantucket.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
No primary is Miami taxes.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh yeah, doing the tax thing that blame. Yeah, you gotta,
so you gotta Miami. You like you like overlook the water,
So you're a water guy, because Nantucket's on I like to.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Be on the water, but not on the water, Like
I don't want to be on a boat, right, I
don't want to be on the water.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Wow, houses, let's see, I just read that mccambling. I
like to bet really Oh yeah yeah, because you just
bet a million dollars on something the.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Bills to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I made a million on trump coin in like six hours, right,
and like all right, I made a million on this
crypto coin, free bet, free roll, put it on, put
it on the bills.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
So that was tough.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Are you Are you friends with a Dana Dana White? Yeah,
because he gambles too.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
He gambles me into a into like like he's sitting
at the tables, yeah, playing it.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
So you don't play tables, you just gamble like that.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I much prefer sports, yeah, Like I mean last night,
I'll bet college hoops.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'll bet yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
What's what's what's the most you wanted a single single bet? I?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Uh, probably I had last year.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I think I won two point six million on Yukon
to win the national title. I want to I bet
straight a million mission guy bet them on the rose ball.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I went.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I got hot at the beginning of last year.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I think the Yukon is the single biggest that I won.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So when you win a bet, so like you're like, okay,
if I win this bet, do you like if I
win this bet, I'm gonna go buy this or you
just gonna take it and.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Like bet bet bet something?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yet keep rolling, buy a horse, keep bet on sports. Yeah,
I'm not. I'm not a outside of houses. I don't
really have extravagant.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So you don't like a car, you're not an old
school car like maybe a sixty or Chevity's available.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I have a seventies remade Bronco, the ones that they
like remake the grass.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I have one of those.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
So I do like the old cars, and they're good
Island cars for Nantucky. But I'm not like a gearhead,
like if the thing breaks down them, what's his next?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
What's that look your day? I call you a legitimate degenerate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I yelled at him for that.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
He's like, you take care of him, right, Yeah, of
course I do. And he called you that.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Not only did he call me that, he they the
New York Times was writing a hit piece on me,
used his quote against me, and like the New York Times,
he contributed.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, he even he did his article.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
He felt really bad about that, But I've gambled dad.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
He used to take me as a horse racing.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
It was a documentary we made and he was talking
about me and they took his quotes and then I'm
like I called him, like, hey, just so you know,
the New York Times is using you as the lead
witness on why I should be banned from the gamble.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
So yeah, that was I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Happy about that. At what age did you start gamble?
You say your dad took you to the go to.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
The horses and beat with him as a kid, go
to Saratoga. So I was always interested like sports.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I always loved it.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, so you you you like betting the ponies?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Love love?

Speaker 4 (26:16):
So you still you still bet the ponies like that?
Love it?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, I just bought like a horse, a couple of horses,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I love it. I absolutely love it. I love the animals.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I love like I have a house near Saratoga Race track,
walk over.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Feed the I love all of it.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
They eat a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, Secretariat and Joe Blow costs the same amount of money,
hey is Hey, so they're expensive.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
So when you first started boss Stool, you you file
bankruptcy protection after losing thirty k.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, that was my dad.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Did you did you did you think that you could
bounce back? Because I hear a lot of people you're
not the first. I mean you're not going to be
the last that's file bankruptcy and were able to bounce back.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, it wasn't even bouncing back.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
My dad again, is an attorney, right, so I had
when I started barstool like shuffling around doing everything. He's like,
you know, you can get rid of this. I swear
I aske him one. I'm like, well, this come back
to bite me. As he gained the system.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
He's like, do it.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I mean thirty grand a lot, but not a lot
in hindsight. I would never advise that to do it.
And I think they actually changed the laws. He's like,
they're going to change that. So yeah, that was also
in the New York Times.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
How'd you How do you get a sixty thousand dollars
credit card?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That day? I had like ten different credit cards?

Speaker 5 (27:30):
What the hell were you buying? I was starting the business.
I was okay, okay, putting everything. I was just moving
everything around. Yeah, and you old your dad eighteen? Would
you have paid him back ten Pole that my.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Dad's got, my dad's got his apartment they got in Florida,
and yeah, they're taking kills.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Is it really hard to start a business from scratch?
Super hard?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I mean the thing about barstool is the only thing
I've ever done and it became successful.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I always thought it would.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
But yeah, ninety five percent businesses probably fell Again, I
always believe we would, but that doesn't I may have
just been that again, a lot of luck involved in
the right place for a time.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
You ever had a tax leaning place on? No business lesson?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What's your biggest business lesson that if you could teach
someone like, what would you tell them?

Speaker 4 (28:19):
What was some of the first things starting a business?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Don't listen to other people.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
There's so much people talk about doing stuff and just
do it. And that's not really a business lesson, but
it's you write a business plan, you do this, you're
talking you're trying to do all just do it, like
kind of get into it and figure out where it goes.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
What about Hawk Toy Girl.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I mean, she came out, she had a moment of fame,
and then she come out with this coin and then
they get it in the boom.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I would have bet my life I was not getting
a Hawkta question during this.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I did not see a hawk To.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
How do you scale people out in cryptocurrency?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So the way I understand it, because I knew you
would understand someone like that To can't do this herself,
even if she wanted to. She needs other people. And
like if I want to launch a coin, which I've looked,
you need other people to do it. A lot of
these people are shady. They have the controls. Hawktua didn't
have the control. They're telling her he can make this money,

(29:15):
can do that, and once it goes these people basically
pull this escape latch and no one.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Knows who these people are, and Haktua sit of it.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, well we don't know them. We got you, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
So I think that happens to a lot of these
There's been no successful celebrity coin launch. You could argue
Trump's has been successful because it's still there, you can
still trade it. But like Logan, Paul had a bad one.
This Hawktua clearly was bad. What's his name, the Fighter
did one the other day. He may have intentionally, Ryan Garcia,
I don't know if he intentionally did it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
He deleted, so none of them have been.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
On the up and up. You was married, would you
do it again?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I'd have to know it was dead ass right, like,
and I don't know how I would.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't know how I know. So that's why it's
hard for me to answer.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
What do you learn from What did you learn during
that marriage about yourself?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
She's still my best friend, Like we get along.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Better as friend and yeah really yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
But she was with me at the beginning of this company,
and like, if she called me right now, it is
like I need you, I'd be there.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Like where it doesn't work as a marriage.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
How's the dating life of dayport?

Speaker 5 (30:23):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
It right now?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
So I'm talking to a girl.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I went through a wild stage kind of like because
when I started, I was married, knowing who I was, Like,
girls weren't exactly available to me. I had no money,
no future, no career. Then you become famous. That kind
of changes the game a little bit and a lot
more options. So and I was no longer married, So
I went through a pretty crazy time, I would say,
but now not nearly.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I don't even like going out anymore.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
HOLDO, is it true your ex wife have access to
your bay the gun.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, I told you I trust her implicitly. I beg
your pardon implicitly. I trust her. If she wanted to
take it, she could. There's very few people that you
meet where you can trust implicitly and to be honest,
she was there when we were living at the in
law's house. She was there when we couldn't afford a hamburger.
She was there through the grind. She to me, just

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like we kind of separated when we started making it,
so she doesn't get to enjoy any of that.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
To me, that's not right.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Wow, I'm a loyalty guy.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
You are a boy. You you lock the saw for real?
I don't know too many people too.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
And it surprises people. But she gonna if she want
to do something with it. She could have done that
long time ago.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Bill Gate said he regrets getting the bors and you
said that she's your best friend. Now do you regret
getting divorced or this is the best thing that could
have happened?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was the best thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Then Bill Gates's wife also like drag him over the coals.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think I think she did.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I mean I think she said some nasty shit about
him too.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, I think I think he said he probably shouldn't
have been as close as he was to Epstein, and
some things like that go.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's a pretty pretty good thing to say.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
You probably wish I should have say.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
But I tell you what. Tom Brady's wife having a kid.
Do you let me ask you a question. Do you
think that bothered him?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yes, he posted that cryptic Instagram message like a sunset
or something.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, I think it bothered them. And like they knew
each other, didn't they.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, because that was her like a trainer when they
were together. So Tom is probably thinking in the back
of my mind when I'm on it and I'm studying
and I'm away.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think that's why he still posts like the shirt
list photos.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Let you letting the world and know he's still out there. Yeah, damn,
but I'm sure I think it does bother me.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
But let me ask you. Let me ask you this.
If your ex wife is she married, she remarried?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think that, Yeah, they just had a kid.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Your ex wife, Oh no, I thought you know your
ex wife.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
If your ex wife she's dating somebody boyfriend, are you
cool with that?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I wanted to be happy it's true.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
But then she got. She can't getting a wax this day.
She got a kinda cut off cut, a cut off
cut a.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Little I won't even notice if it's gone.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
You mean to tell me she might She might.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I mean if she takes it all.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
No, no, no, no, but she might take like you
know what, I'm gonna have this. I'm gonna have this
extravagant wedding. I'most spend you know, half a million on
the wedding.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
You cool it?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yes, one hundred percent, one hunder lord, have mercy.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
You want kids?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, I hate kids. I do.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I hate kids.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I have no intrusting kids right now. None.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Really, I hate kids. You don't. You don't want a
little day for a little day, No, a little point.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Junior, No, I hate I'm a dog guy.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I hate kids.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Don't like being around them, don't like them, don't think
they're cute, don't want to hear about them.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
What about your upbringing? You have? You have a pleasant upbringing?
With it?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Super, it says middle class.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And I'll bring a little suburb outside of Boston one sister,
very as black normal for like a white middle class
kid as you could ever.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Have you played football, baseball?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
You played baseball.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, football, I have a bump shoulder and need like replacement.
But yeah, I was pretty good at baseball.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
You go to college, go to baseball scholarship.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I thought I could walk on at Michigan.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Couldn't.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Didn't even come close.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
They were really good. It wasn't that they were really good.
They just didn't do like real tryouts. To me, it
was like like that. It's like, hey, take three swings.
They took no walk on. So there's nobody who made
the team.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Wow, you were diagnosed with skin cancer and had it
surgically removed from your neck?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Did you did you know? I mean did it with
a spot or something that you do?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I'm always in the sun always, so I just started
doing the routine checkups whichever once you do. They found
a little dot. I would have never known, and they
cut it out.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Did you do sunscreen?

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Now?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
A little bit? But you know, even the I like
the sun. Let's just say that. I like tan. If
can't if can't tone.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
It, tan it. You were against a TikTok band.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I was why because I think there's so so many
small businesses and creators who are earning a living. I
think that people are talking about have no idea what's
going on social media? And if you're building something and
that's your primary platform you've been building out for years, yes,
and you just get ripped away, Like you can't just

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be like all right, I'm going to Instagram. That's not
how it works.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So to just rip that many.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Livelihoods away or advertising agencies without a plan, that that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Really bothered me.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Do you believe it was political? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean I don't get the it's all China,
but everything's political and posturing and things like that. I
don't really get the spy ship. I mean, I don't
get where they're learning from. But it was really small businesses.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Are you okay with these billionaires? These big companies try
to particularly buy TikTok.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Control a lot. You control media, man, you.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Definitely control the media, and Trump has if you look,
you got the Amazon he go Zuckerberg. Yall, So I
get that, And yeah, so I get that, but I
would I would say times are always shifting, and people
like the left definitely we're controlling the New York Times,
in the Washington Post and NBC and so a lot
of that.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You I and this is maybe.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Unfair, but I would hope that no one vehicle shapes
somebody's opinion. Like if I see something and I'm like,
what the Hopefully you go research it on your own
and you can make your own decision.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
But it is a concern Brady Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
If Mahomes wins the three p does he pass Brady
as the goat?

Speaker 3 (36:35):
No? And it's an easy answer now that you can
say that's the best team because they won three, but
we have the benefit of them meeting head to head
in the Super Bowl in Tampa Bay. Brady won AFC
Championship at Kansas City Brady one, So you gotta if
they played and Brady's at the end of his career,
still beat him. So I don't know how you can

(36:55):
now he keeps do we win seven in a row?
Different stories? Not yet.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Let me ask you this. You're Taylor Taylor Swift Swifty,
so you're rooting for the Chiefs and Kelsey.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
No, I'm not, because I told you.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Taylor Awan asked, I didn't know Patrick Mahomes hated barstool,
but he does.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
He does.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, I found that out today.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Taylorwan at media session, asked if Mahomes would do in
an interview with busting that they're leaving.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
He's like, now they were leaving barstool, will you.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Do an interview with us? He's like, yeah, that helped.
So I didn't know he hated us, So now I
don't like him.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, what made you defend Taylor Swift against when Kanye?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Kanye? Kanye is a piece. Kanye is an absolute piece.
I don't get people out of defend him.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
You know what I noticed people that you don't like.
There's no misinterpretation of where you stand all these Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Think Kanye is one of the great free passes of
all time. Now I'm Jewish. He hates Jews, loves Hitler,
so you're not gonna be my cup of tea. Like
if you're going around me, I like what Hitler did,
It's like, well, I don't like you, right. So what
he did at the Grammy's the first time when he's
full her award. This is a seventeen year old girl.
I don't know what his problem. He thought someone else

(38:05):
should win. You have no problem with her. This girl's seventeen,
you're stealing it. And then after that they edit a
phone call. They edited a phone call her and Kim
Kardashian of Taylor when the uh, I want what I
want to see? He put it all yeah, and they
say we asked, we called her, she said's fine. They

(38:25):
put out an edited voicemail that made it and they
recorded her that made it sound like she agreed Taylor
the whole time. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's not how it went. I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Years later, the actual voicemail, unedited comes out. Everything Taylor
said was the truth. Everything they said was a lie.
That drives me crazy, and it did affect her. She
didn't leave her house like a year because all Kanye
fans are trashing her. So I'm a big like truth straightforward.
It resonated with people trying to smear a name. So

(38:55):
that made me start like Aaron. Then I got into
the music. But yeah, that's how that's that.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
And she wrote your handwritten lister. She did.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I went to the concert, her brother tapping on the shoulder,
handwrit letter, and the letter essentially said, and a lot
of people would think these are two people who are
not gonna be friendly or aligned, but it basically said
to the effect, we appreciate the sport. I think we
kind of see similar on when people say things about
you that you stand by and don't think was true.

(39:23):
I hugged her mother, so I think she appreciated the sport.
Because Connie is huge. Sometimes I don't think and people
said about me the influence he wields. But he says,
like what he did the other day at what do
you think of what he did at the Grammys with
the naked girlfriend cliques?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
He got what he wanted. I mean, my woman is
that My wife is the most h.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Googled.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
If I walked into the Grammys and I shot somebody,
they're gonna google me like that, like this shock value.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, I don't I don't get I don't get him either.
Your patriots, we know your patriots may huge? Uh you
Rod Mayo? He gets one year, four and thirteen and
they come on, they bring Babel back. What do you
think about that firing? I know, I don't know if
you're a Craft fan or not.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I am.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I mean it's tough because I think I don't know
if you can say two things can be true.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Mayo got screwed.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I don't know how you can give a guy one
year in how he can be your guy?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
The team sucked before he got there.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
What were you expecting, So let let Belichick go.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Correct and by the way, they were bad with Belichick
at the end of his tenure.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Correct horrible.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
So I don't know what people are expecting.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
And to me, it's like, you got your quarterback Drake
may who I think had right, so you got a structure.
I love Rabel as a coach, so it like, I
I'm glad they I would have been okay either way,
but it's like, well, Rabel's probably not going to be
there if you don't get him this year.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
No, he's not right. So I love Rabel as our coach.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Having said that, if I was drawd Mayo, I'd be
pissed and he got screwed.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I know you a big You're Celtic, you all things Boston,
And I know you're a big Jason Tatum fan.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yes, because you're.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Upset about Steve Curran not playing him at the Olympics,
and and you're upset about Brandon Jennings calling him the
softest Boston Celtic superstar ever.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, I mean, listen, he takes a lot of heat.
I don't know what why, I don't know what they want.
What do they want from the guy like you just
won a world championship, I think, But they're I'd be
stunned if they don't repeat. They're loaded, they're good. I
don't I don't know what the hell they want from
the guy. I don't know why didn't play in the Olympics.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Right, You think he's a top five Celtic.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
That's such a tough obviously, Bill Russell, Larry Bird.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Coozy. Yeah, yeah, he's getting there.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
There's you got Paul Pierce, Paul Michale.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think he's gonna Potatum above those tough.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
We've got so many greats, and I could be cause
I think the thing is is like, okay, Piers only
got one, yeah, and Tatum still got a lot.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah he's young. I think Tatum what twenty six?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, so right now, maybe I take Pierce. But I mean,
if he wins this year, I'm a big championship guy.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
What about the Lakers getting Luca You upset about that?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Huh No, I'm not O.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
That was crazy, an absolutely crazy move. I mean nobody,
I think really.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Knows, nobody knows how to but.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
And I mean I don't know how Lebron and him
are gonna coexist necessarily. It's like they have no rim protectors,
so it doesn't the craziest part is they didn't shop him.
That to me makes no sense from what you've read.
It's like they were just sending him to the Lakers.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Not crazy, Bronni. If you had you don't like him.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
But let's just say, for the sake of argument, and
you had a kid, and you know what, and you
you're doing what you're doing. Now, would you like do
everything you can to kind of steer your kid into
profession that you're in, or you let him charge his own.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'd let him do his own thing. Like I Actually
I feel bad for Bronnie right now.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I think it's crazy that he's on that team and
the attention he's getting, and you know, it's one of
my all time lebron takes.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
He's like he said, he wants to kind of like.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
He felt bad putting all the pressure on him. But
you name the Brownie Junior and you put him on
the Lakers. It's like you put them in a pretty big.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Spotlight red spotlight.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
The Wolverines, the quarterback twelve million dollars Underwood, Underwood and
you chipped in.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
So I got.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Involved in this in one of the craziest Nil stories.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah, well, yeah, we want to hear this one.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So I'm a Michigan guy and now I'm not a
firm believer. I'm not like Michigan's a rich school. They
didn't care about me until I started getting money.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
I root for him.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, you start getting money and suddenly the phones ringing.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
And I'm dude with a new day.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah right exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's like, hey, I say, you love Michigan, but the
NIL stuff starts happening and I get a call or
it's like, hey, this person wants to talk to you, right,
And it was a woman's name. I had never heard of, Yolan.
I think Jolan Jolan. I'm like, so I'm not. I'm not.
I don't want to deal with the alumni. I don't
want to deal with any of this, Like, I'm not

(44:06):
into it. Well, her her husband is the oracle guy.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Larry else.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Oh yeah, I'll take that call.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Like, so Larry's gonna be on the call, all right,
I mean a legend, like second richest guy on earth.
So Jolan went to Michigan, big Michigan fan, right, Larry
Elison suddenly big Michigan fan, and they're there what they
were waiting for. I said on a podcast, I was
so mad after Michigan loss. I'm like this, I will

(44:36):
buy us a quarterback. I'll do three million. I'll find
us a quarterback. We're never gonna have no quarterback again.
That provoked Jolan. She's like, Aha, someone else cares about
Michigan as much as I do. That's how the conversation started.
They're like, we're recruiting this kid right under it. I
already knew bouh them because people told me, right he
went to school twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
North, right because he's going to LSU.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Two days later, we're on a phone call with Larry
Elson myself Michigan in the underwoods. It's like out of
a movie and we're pitching this kid. It literally it's
like what world am I in? I could tell and
knowing this was all my interpretation about the money, I
didn't kick in anything.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm getting credit for it.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Larry Ellison, they bought the quarterback and what it's just
crazy world of nil.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So, so how much did the kid get direct deposited immediately?

Speaker 3 (45:27):
That don't all Probably a decent amount. I think I
think LSU just couldn't I mean, how can anyone.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
They could and he's he's a monster.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's a crazy world, the n I.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
L But do you ever get do you ever think like, Okay,
you invest all this money in the kid and it
doesn't pan out.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I guess that's the chance you take with an NFL player. Guy,
you pay a guy big.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Think about Larry Elson, he can he can cycle through?

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, yeah, when you worn't two billion, twelve billion? You
not even missing that you even though it's going out
of your Kennedy money. Has the Big ten surpassed the
sec at the top.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
That's no doubt.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I think.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I think once an il came.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Level to playing field, Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
They're already paying them. Now everyone's paying them. I mean,
ask exactly what happened?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
What do you what do you get? A degree in it?
Universe education?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I couldn't pass, So I went to Michigan weird I
got into I applied to the Liberal Arts just the
general program. Got denied. They wrote back a letter, we
think you'd be a good nurse. I don't know why
this is a nurse nurse?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
How did you apply? How do you get Liberal Arts
go from nursing?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
They mustn't needed male nurses. And by the way, I
pass out of the sight of blood. So I don't
know where they got that. My sister was in school.
I called, she went to Michigan. Said if I go
as a nurse, can I transfer to the Liberal Arts.
She said, yeah, went to Liberal Arts. Couldn't pass my
Spanish requirement education school no Spanish, So I just kind
of scheming my way to get my degree. So I
had an education degree that you never used, never used,

(46:54):
never had an intention to use.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
The first company you started before barstool, you started a
company that match student app lead with college recruiters.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
It was called Next Step Scouting.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yep, so you kind of never started that.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That was one of my ideas.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
That was one of the ideas.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
So the and this is internet one point. Oh okay,
so you have athletes not Division one. These guys aren't
going pro. The concept was a D three guy coach
still wants to win. Help them recruit because they don't
have the budgets and connect using the internet like lower
level athletes with D three schools D two.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
That was the concept.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
You spent two thousand development the software, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
No, it was one of the ideas.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah. At that point I was working at a little
software and I paid a couple of the engineers on
the side to build it.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Well, when you graduated college, you worked at an IT
market research firm making a hundred k a year, and
you went happy right out of college.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
When I would graduate college, the economy was booming.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I was happy with that.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Okay, I didn't like the job. So I when I
got that job, the economy booming. Dot com marriage, Yeah,
it flipped. One day when to work half the people fired.
I was like, oh this is this is word No.
I thought one hundred grand was more money than God.
At that point, I was very happy with the salary.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
So what sales pitch? What would what would you? I mean,
what was your pitch to?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Who?

Speaker 4 (48:14):
What have you?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Because you a good salesman, because you can you convinced,
Like when people come work at barstool, you convinced them
that with us in your corner you, I think.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
They trust me. I think my sales pitch is trust.
Even when I was selling that some you know, you
have salesmen who give you snake oil salesman vibes and
you're like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Trust what this guy is.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I think most people after they meet me, even if
they don't like me, they're like, I think he's telling
the truth.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So what And that goes a long way of selling anything.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
How long do you work at this company?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Five six years?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
So you you had a nice little less egg that
you're like, I'm done with this, I'm gonna do something else.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, that's I use that to start barsel. That went
into the cost of starting barsl target audience.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So let me show a quick like when you started barstool,
you like, did you have an idea of the type
of the audience that you were looking to get.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
The early premise was sports media in Boston was so
stuck up and actually like rooted against the teams like
they seem to revel and the failures of the hometown team, right,
like we have a very famous Red Sox got Dan shaughnessy.
He rooted against the Red And the thought was, and

(49:26):
it's a little bit about the Bill Simmons when I
was like, there's a place for a fan's voice, and
that's always sort of what we've been. We may not
be right, we're not trying to like we're not in
the locker room. We're speaking as fans. I think that
was the early kind of concept.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
What do you mean by the common man? For the
common man.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Exactly that It's like, these are actual fans talking to fans.
These are normal people. How you talk at a bar.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
To your buddy.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Barstool, No matter what, when you think of bar stool
and think of you, you always it doesn't matter, right.
Alice Cooper is who she is. Uh, p mac is
who he is.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Blessed with the boys, those guys you're you right, that's
good and bad we do Sometimes they feel like you
overshadowed them.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, not only overshadow. I may speak for that.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Like I like, if I'm speaking my mind, that doesn't
mean we're a super diverse, weirdo group of people. I
think sometimes when you come into the office, you're like, holy,
this is what's here. But if I'm saying something, if
I'm when I interviewed Donald Trump, that doesn't mean.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Everybody in the company likes Donald Trump or you're speaking
for them.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yes, and that I wish wasn't the case. That is
always the case. So, uh, that's just the nature of
the beast.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
You ran for mayor of Boston, I did, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
So we we used to throw these little concerts. Uh,
and I was very unhappy with the way the city
was treating us, like they fairly in my mind in
very anti business, very anti nightlife.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
So it's like, I'm gonna run.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
And I thought I could win because at the time
we were pretty big.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I'm like, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Register all these college kids.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
They got to vote for me, because you can legally
do that.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
They rigged it so I didn't get on the ballot
in my first introduction, a true rigging like you had
to basically get I think twelve thousand signatures to be
on the ballot. They had to be registered voters, and
you had to be able to read the handwritning. I
paid a legit like signature company that did this for
They went, got twenty thousands of interests. Guess how many

(51:36):
they threw out nine thousand, nine thousand.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Can't read it, can't do it. There's no way. They
just kept me off the ballot.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
In hindsight, probably happy, but it was what type of
mayor would you have been?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Pro day portain like whatever whatever was in the best
interest in barstool, But you raised forty during a pandemic.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
You raised forty one million dollars from small businesses? What
made you do it?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
So small business is definitely probably because of barstool, something
I'm passionate about because I know what goes into it.
So I actually, who is the guy he did maybe
did the profit? Kevin Lamanis he's like the.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Out is he He's a big entrepreneur.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So I was ranting and raving about the shutdowns, being like,
you got to let businesses that if they want to
stay open, it's up to them. People know the risk
if someone wants it.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
So I was ranting. He tweeted at me.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
A big mouth wine do something about it. It's like,
all right, that's a fair point. So I put five
hundred grand into a fund and I said, we're going
to give this out to small businesses.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Here's what I want to see from you.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
I want to see that you're running a profitable business
before the COVID, Like the only reason it stopped is
you have to shut your doors. But you have a
proven track record, and I want to see you're still
paying your employees and if you can do that, we
will pay your bills as best we can till you
can open again.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And the first money we gave away.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I facetimed the person like we told, submitted, and I'm recording,
and the reactions are like very emotional, like you're saving
our livelihood. People saw that the money started flowing in
so fast we couldn't get like we're getting millions every day.
And it probably said about I think five hundred small businesses.

(53:24):
It's definitely the most meaningful thing we've done. It why
and unlike the government, like we were we get the
money in. We talked to somebody the money would be
in their bank account in twenty four hours. No, we
get the bills and in some of these small businesses.
Then they were giving the money back. They're like, we
don't need anymore, we want to refund help.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It was it's a lot. It was not on purpose.
It was kind of like the spur of the moment thing,
but it means a lot.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
You ran for mayor would you run for president? I know, I.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
The hate that you get from politics nothing nothing. I
think I think politics has surpassed religion. Honestly, it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
It's like Gladiator won.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Gladader two is the worst movie I've ever seen it.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Glader one. When they asked Maximus that are like, you
gotta be the Emperor Rome.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
He's like, I don't want it, and the guy's like,
that's why you have to do it. I don't know
who would.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Ever willingly do it.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Do you have when you went into business? Do you
have any mentors? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Michael Poli is a guy.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
He started viting in water, he started body armor, sold
in both billions. I've leaned on him for quite a
bit of advice. He's probably the most. He's probably the
most that I've used, and he's been great.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
What's the best advice you received?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Everything's so different. I don't know if there's any piece
of advice that's really one. It's yeah, yeah, I can't
think of something. There is no magic trick. There is nothing.
And what worked for me may not work for you.
And it's different time, different place, different people.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
You a foodie, give me your top five fast food restaurants?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Fast food?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
What level we going fast? Is McDonald's and five guys
the same thing.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
I let you pick. I mean, we ain't got to do.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I mean Wendy's for the burger category is definitely my
favorite of the burger I like Chick fil A a lot.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
The sandwich, the waffle fries, the lemonade.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'll go with the nuggets and the waffle fries.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Top five. I'm not a big fast food guy anymore
because I get sick when I eat it.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I'm too old.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
You going out with the guy? If the guy, if
you and and five of your friends are going out
to eat, where you're.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Going nice restaurant?

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Nice hunt?

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, Like I'll hunt around here and be like where's
where's Yeah? I love eating okay, Like, I don't know
how all these people, the older people do ozembic Like
it's like, what are you doing? Like why do you
care what you look like?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
You know you can't eat?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
You call yourself a pizza yonado. What is it about pizza?
Boston got good pizza? Maybe, I'm yes, it does, it
does well. It could normally hear about New York and Chicago.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I'm gonna humbly say the number one food critic in
the world for pizza. But I can influence pizza more
than him, but it can influence anything else. And it's
started as a bit with me and Dan from uh
Part my take. We said, if you could eat one
food the rest of your life, what would it be,
he said, burritos.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I said pizza.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
We did it for a month, just ate it. People
started asking, hey, is it ain't good? I'm eating the pizza.
I just score it, and it just it caught on.
So for ten years straight, every Monday through Friday, I
tried a new place.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
The pizza doesn't have to be like a famous chain
or you go into some of these off beats.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
I've done them all.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I like in New York, I just spiled around the
office here like I've already done five pizza reviews.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Everywhere I go, I'm finding the pizza and eating it.
What's your favorite pizza?

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Yeah, Pizza Hood You know what?

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I now that could be a race thing because who
and Gilly you also had like a ridiculous They're like thrombnu.
It's like crazy, have you had good pizza?

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I'm I'm a thin crust guy. I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I want that stuff crust. I just want thing pizza.
And I grew up that's what we had. Pizza used
to have what they call buffet and so for like
five ninety nine, you could go eat on a Tuesday night,
you could eat as much pizza as you wanted, and
so they had. You know, I'm simple, you know, cheese, ground, ground, beef,
and I'm good. That's really the only thing that I
really e want on my pizza. And so we would
go and I eat like thirteen fourteen slices and I

(57:32):
was good.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
So that was really I like like Puppa Gino's and
growing up, I mean it just but we.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Didn't have like I don't remember, you haven't had it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You haven't had good pizza your mind, you should have
good pizza. When I grew up, there was I don't.
I don't remember little Caesars and Dominoes weren't local because.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Those are all trash, they're all changed. Like you can't
you're gonna go to a place where the owners in
there making them they've had it for.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Forty fifty years.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
But see, I'm see, what do you get on your pizza?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Well, if I'm off the clock, I'll do Peppersonians. Otherwise
the cheese, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm telling you. I feel like I'm in a crazy time.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Like there's great just like any food, there's great food,
and like the best burger in the world can't be McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I mean when I go to McDonald a, eat the nuggets.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But the best chicken in the world isn't that McDonald's.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
You know what, you know, who got some good fried chicken? Publics.
I rot with public they.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I know people talk higher the pubsub.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
That's crazy to me. Now they're not chefs in there
making you have professor.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I mean, there's great, it's just somebody take this guy
next time. He's New York Life. John's a bleaker or something.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I'm like, if I go out to eat, I'm probably
gonna go to a steak place. Okay, So would you
say a steak at what's What's what?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I'm like, uh uh?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I go to State forty eight, I go to a Mascros,
I go to I'm bevin to Peter Luger, I've made
a that's teams.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
So if they serve steak at McDonald's, when you say
that compares to one of those places, No, No, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
The same thing with any food.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
I think your word for it.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Dave Point, you got anything, you're promoting anything, You got
any shoes, new shows coming out, you got it?

Speaker 4 (59:29):
You're selling any new t shirts.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
No, we're good where. I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I appreciate you being How long did we go?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I always judge that I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
You're the two hours? So is that short about average record?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, that's how I judge.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
You know, I was, you know, I was actually I
was interviewing you potential workplace.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know with gambling deal. Yeah, all right,
so I gave something.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
It's definitely you gave Russell and Bird for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Russell and Bird.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Pierce's not KG.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I love He's maybe my.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Favorite Celtic, but.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Coozy Coozy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Hal Pierce, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Pierson, Pearson, Halcheck and you know the two that have
a chance are Brown and Tatum if they keep winning?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
What how mean championships do you have to get?

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I mean you're probably gonna have to get three.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, so I mean I love Piercy has one and
I love him he has one different errors.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Because like Havlichick has ten and I think he's like
a ten time all NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Right, so it's gonna be it's it's gonna be very interesting.
Appreciate you, my man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
You too, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
One slice got to brow the dice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life,
all my life, grinding.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
All my life. Sacrifice ussell, play the price. One slice
got to brow the dice.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
That's why all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

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