Club Shay Shay - David Banner part 2 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway.
Samuel told you that you were terrible. No when I
ask you what was a question? I was going there
for a reason. I'm trying to give you great conscious
to help me. I'm dry fight night on Peacock. You
know what was your question that made me go there?

(00:21):
Though you we was riffing at the time, you.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Don't even remember the question to you, I neither this
means that this is great shade shade, Bro, I'm just
saying no, but but but what ended up happening, Bro,
was that I remember what it was. Semyel basically ended
up telling me later on in life, man, that I
deserved it. It's like, stop being because sometimes we hide

(00:45):
behind gratitude and all of that kind of stuff because
we're really scared, right because we're really shy, because we
really don't believe that we deserve.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
To be here. And like, Bro, you deserve to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I deserve to be here, and it's time to stand
in that greatness. That's one thing that TI has helped
me with. Man, like Tip tell me that all the time, Bro,
like man, period, everybody good or bad. If we really
believe that God is the only thing that can judge
us what you do is you don't be so ego

(01:17):
driven that you don't listen. But you fix it. And
if you know that you fixed it, you know that
you repented, let that shit go and live.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And I just got to the point in my life
while I'm doing that, Man, I'm so happy. And Bro,
I'm got to be honest with you. Man, I'm probably
one of the few people on this planet that.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Look at me.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I don't I actually bro one thing that I am
proud of. Man, And I don't even know that after
this interview is actually gonna be power and it's actually
gonna be possible shinning. I'm actually slightly at Demi God level.
And if I get any more sexier than I am
right now, I think I'm a busting a pure light.
I think I'm gonna transcend the physical form and just

(02:03):
turning the light. And I think you can understand that
you were really close to it at one point, but
I think you got too much into the brolic thing.
It's a little bit more than that. It's mental too.
You got to add that to it, dog, And I
think you just let it all go. I am I
looked that good act.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
You fans the female Shannon, don't be afraid of this.
Bro has just happened.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You got to get back. Don't lose that with that, bro,
justyr you know who you are.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
You don't lose that. Absolutely yea, just know it.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
The song like a pimpy.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Ho No way, you came straight from what I just
said to like him? Yet did you do that on purpose?
It was it just serendipity. See that's a humble man.
He did that purpose.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's a genius. Good and I'm listening like a pimp.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Tyree said that song did for you with a Coca
Cola commercial did for him. It opened the door. It
got you to the because you were David Banner. But
this song and then you know, people call you when
you get the p how people call you and want
to you know, I want to sample your songs like
a pimp.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Tyrese is a slip because I.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Saw him right before on the plane before that interview,
and he told me that bro Terrese said, Bro, he said, Banner,
you got to think about it sometimes in life, all
you think about how many nose that we all see.
And I'm saying for everybody. Absolutely, Oh you need is one. Yes,
that's it. And he told me that he bro he said,
I'm still living off the Coca Cola commercial, he said,

(03:41):
And you still living off like a pimp. That's why
I don't let people separate me from gangster rap And
no matter how blessed I am, no matter how smart
I become, I'm still a gangster rapper because I'd rather
you keep me at my lowest. So no matter how
hard I fall, that I can just say, Hey, Snoop,

(04:01):
does that very well? Yeah, I'm steal a gangster rapper.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Because they try to make you, you know, this high
faluting political person and really, Shannon, you are a great
example of that. They just and it goes back to
something you love so much. They just really want to
fatten the pig.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
But a slaughter. I don't really love you. I ain't
really proud of you.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Let's get them as high as we possibly can so
we can get more ratings off the fall, right. I
don't do that. I told somebody today. Sometimes people think
and excuse me. I know you don't want me to
say this, but I tell my PR team that's sometimes
I up on purpose. I'd rather help me control it

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because I know what I'm doing, I know why I'm
doing it, so that they can't make me into this characterture.
They try to make us into a characterture so they
can literally assassinate our personalities, our lives. And what they
don't understand, man, is like our grandparents see that shit,

(05:07):
our mothers see that shit, our children see that shit, bro,
and that shit hurt. And a lot of times we're
not enough men. We're not men enough to admit that
that shit didn't feel good.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
There was somebody, man, and I'm gonna say this because
I want that person to see it. She said some
shit about me, Bro, it didn't feel good. And then
they called me to a show and I told the people.
I told them white folks like I just want to
be clear and I want her to know that she
hurt my feelings because I'm enough, man, and I'm tough

(05:40):
enough to be able to say it now. But I'm
not coming on your show smiling in your face and
you said what you said about me. I'm not gonna
do nothing. I'm not mad at you. I don't judge you.
Shit won't cool, though, and that shit hurt me. I
want you to know that it hurt me, because that's men.
A lot of times with gang violence, with a lot
of stuff, A lot of times to be over stuff

(06:00):
we play like it's over dope and street shit.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
What a lot of times our.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Feelings just be hurt and we're not articulate enough. We
haven't been taught enough. We don't have enough men to
process the fact man, that you hurt my feelings. I
just had a like twenty year relationship come to an end.
It's because we both couldn't say, hey, Bro, misunderstand you.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I'm sorry. Bro.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
We both gotten so high and was bosses and all
this kind of shit. We wouldn't have done that shit
when we was in college.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
On't me right?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But like, man, I'm trying to be the example of
a black man BRO that can say, Bro, I made
a mistake, or to be the black man and be
able to say, hey, Bro, I may not agree with
some of the decisions that you make, Bro, but it's good.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
We're still here for you. Bro. Let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Cause Bro, to be honest with you, we got an opportunity, man,
while we still living and you know this, Bro, grandparents
told us we on this side of the dirt, bro.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Somebody asked me, man, how does it feel that hip
hop is in the situation that it's in? You know?
I said, Man, I'm still living. I'm still living. You
still living, bro. We got an opportunity to do this shit, bro,
and I'm just so grateful man to be alive during
these times. This is the best time in history man,
to change the world.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah uh, Beyonce incorporated like a pimp to cowboy carda tour.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
When someone and I had I've had I've had two chains,
I've had LLL. I had a couple of guys, a
couple of people on It's like when people say, I'm like, well,
how do you call LLL?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Just so you know, because I needed some leadership and
me being this sexy because I had not always been
this hour country dude and you know rusty Lips and
you know, just I didn't understand much about fashion. But
once I got it together, I actually literally call Ler.
I'm dead serious, right y'all think I'm joking, but.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I really did call LF.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I was like, hey, bro, like, because I'm used to
street ship, right like, Bro, this this sexy shit is.
Actually we had a whole and he actually brought it.
And I tell you, broh, I think he cool with this, bro,
he told me, he said better it's like brou if
it makes me, if it makes me laugh, then do it.

(08:17):
And I never thought about that, bro, Like, think about it.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
If if it makes you laugh, then women gonna chuckle.
He said, Brother, don't take yourself so seriously, but go beack.
I just want to say thank you LLL.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
When people sample your music, do you do they have
to play it for you?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Play what they're gonna do over your track? Or do
you like? Okay, cool to the check. If you just
send a check, then you saw your soul.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Like what I try not to do is judge children,
because our parents judge does. But it's just certain shit
that you I don't want you to say all my
music okay, And you got to understand who I am
and the things that I've said, So I'm not as
judgmental as most people.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's still a spiritual.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Thing and to a certain degree, we have to have
some type of morals.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
See when people hear.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
The word sold out, bro, if you would do anything
for money, you saw your so But what I will say, Man,
I'm so grateful for these children, bro, because Like a
Pimp wasn't where I made most of my money from.
But now, Bro, it's it's just becoming the second highest
grossest thing, grossing thing in my life, man, And that's

(09:33):
just a testament. Tell your quick story. The song that
came after Like a Pimp was Cadillac on twenty two's
and I'm a hit maker and a lot of people
don't always wonder, like why did you put that song
out after Like a Pimp?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
You could have put another Like a.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Pimp out and just will I prayed to God, Bro,
if God would allow me to make it without selling
dope or without having to have a dope dealer behind me,
that I would praise his name.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Bro. I did it.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And so when Like a Pimp came out, I didn't
know if I would ever have another song again, especially
being from the South, and so I said I better
pay God back. So if you remember Cadillac on twenty two's,
it's like Cadillac on it was like God, I know
that we pimp God, I know that we're wrong God.

(10:35):
I know I should talk about more than all of
my songs. I know these kids are listening. I know
it's here. I know I'm here for a mission, but
it's so hard to get them between two his rooms
with Cadillac's on twenty two's I Ain't did nothing in
my life but stay true. Pimped my voice and macked
these beats and pray to the Lord for these Mississippi streets.
That song was actually a prayer.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
And like David and like psalms, that was my prayer
to God. Was me repaying God back for hearing my prayer.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
You know, I want to know what the money at music, Coulse. Everybody,
everybody say, ain't no money in music?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
No more? Is it? Is it been writing? Is it producing?
Is it? What is it?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Where the money, the money in music is stopped begging
people and get your own companies to sell your own ship.
Look at you, bro, Like I know, Shanny, you don't
want to talk about this shit, bro. And I'll be
trying to be kind because I know that you have
sponsors and stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Bro, But like they would.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Have crushed you if you didn't have your own show. Yeah,
you know that it would have crushed you. So like
that's where it's at. And the thing is bro, is
that people just want that quick cash out dog right?
That don't exist. Bro, You still gotta work. You got to, bro, man,
So put your own stuff out, create your own stuff.

(11:51):
Fans are looking for fans will listen to you, Bro.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Are they afraid because it's it's easier. Somebody go cut
mitcheck because you have to look at it. Are you
talent I cut you a check? Or are you in
my situation?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
This is me?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Watch this. You're gonna answer the question for you. I
was on a plane back and I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I almost whooped this white boy for what I'm about
to tell you. Okay, it's high high level Xerox at
the time when Xerox was really popping, like he was
on the high end part of Xerox. He said, David,
I know what you stand for. What I wanna ask

(12:39):
you for a question. I'm gonna ask you a question.
He said, Are you a slave or a slave owner?
M make your choice.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
He did preference it by saying, if you're a slave owner,
and you can release other slaves.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I never thought about that.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And now, because I'm black, I wanted to put my
hands on Yeah. But what I realized is if you
listen to what somebody's trying to tell you and feed you, Bro,
it's like, yeah, we do want that check, Bro, but
it's sort of like when fifty told them folks, I'd
rather take that stock option. It ended up being what

(13:16):
twenty million, thirty million dollars. Bro, I'm starting to realize, Bro,
I don't want it on the front end. Yeah, it's
always quick.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
You could be talent, you could be owner.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But even from a tax perspective, bro Celo tried to
warn us. Selo said that little money be gone.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Jenny Yeah, Dennie yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Bro, And so like man for me, Bro, I just
I'm just grateful. And Shannon, I'm not joking. It's somebody
in this room, Bro, that tried to get me on
this show really really early. And I'm actually glad that
I waited. The only reason why I didn't come then

(13:57):
is because, Bro, people check Chase the light, and what
they don't know is you are the light. And so
if I would have took that opportunity when I didn't
have nothing to say, I would have.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Blew my load right.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And I really really think, because I'm looking at you,
I think you needed me to be here. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying, And I'm glad that I took
it now, man. But like to be real with you, man,
I'm just grateful man that people will allow me like
yourself because I know, Bro, and I tell my team
this all the time.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Like I know I'm edgy, I know I'm a lot
to deal with, man, But like, as much as people
talked about Christ, Man, the same people that y'all say
that y'all love was the people that Christ fought against,
same people that put them up on the cross. Jesus
didn't mess with nothing but wors Bro in the streets.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Bro. He went in the church to flip tables over. Bro.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
But the crazy thing about our community is anytime somebody
act like Jesus, we'll put them on the cross for them, folks.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And so Man, I just try to.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Find a happy medium in between telling the truth because
I can't. But that's the only thing that helped me
sleep at night is helping others. Yeah, Bro, it was
at one point in this interview, Bro.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Because I saw that you needed it. Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And whether it's my ego or it's the truth, Bro,
I'm just happy to be brave enough to do what
I'm told.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know, we appreciate you coming you produce for Lil
Wayne t I, Chris Brown from a room five, Quincy
Jones Snoop Dogg, pimp Sy Looter.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Hey, hold on, man, how you just gonna go past
Quincy Jones?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Like that? Help me out?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Shting Quincy Jones again?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Quincy Jones, what did he did? Didn't he do thriller
for Mike Man with Frank Sinadre Rachel with it cuting?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, there are a lot of producers out there,
but it's hard to be Hey.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Too many people on this planet producers big.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's what I said. That same if we were to
do a versus, who were we put against Quincy.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Man?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I heard somebody talking that ship, Bro, like to even
think you're worthy of that? The ship that Quincy Jones
is done?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Bro, he got his range. You got too much of
a range. And in between.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Classical music, Bro, the scoring movies.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Most people don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
His TV shows talk that ship. But what I what
I will say, man, is that me and Warren Campbell.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You should go to this church. Warren Campbell, I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
But we we had a production company together, and Quincy
Jones told us.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Or said to one.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Of his his liaisons that when we were producing for
his album, we were the only ones that were brave
enough to take his music and digest it and spit
it back. He was like, if he wanted it to
sound like him, like, you can't do it. I do
first of all, And that's how we looked at it.
It would be disrespectful for me to try to do
what Quincy Jones did with his music. And so man,

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that's that's that's one of the things I had as
an artist from Mississippi. His name is Coke Boumaye, and
this dude is much younger than me, but this dude
is bro. He's way beyond his age. He talks like
I got grandparent like your grandparents. And he told me,
he said, man, you gotta start popping your ship. He
said that people will forget about you in the way

(17:27):
that this culture is bro. They'll take your ship from you.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Brom hm.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
So like, I just start learning how to tell people
a little bit more. And I'm grateful that you brought
that up, man, because I've done things that nobody has
ever done in history. But our parents taught us man
to so called be humble yeah, but I believe because
you're in sports. I don't believe in being humble. If

(17:52):
his stats, if Jordan told you he has six rings,
is that popping or capping? Right?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
That's factchut. Absolutely, I am great.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I just hate that my people don't know how great
I am.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It hurts, bro, because.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Bro, when I when when I got my Grammy nod
with Wayne, I literally came home Shannon, And I'm serious, Bro,
I'm not bullshiting you.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I said it out loud. We did it. I don't
want nobody there. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
If you did something that you thought was special and
nobody told you it was special, would you still feel special?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know, Bro. Bro, I'm from Mississippi. Bro, I
just started loving myself. I never Bro, I never thought
I made it. I'm serious, Shannon, I'm not joking. I
never ever thought I made it.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like it's funny because somebody on your staff knows a
mutual friend of Billy Hume, who ran it with white
guy Bro Celtic white guy bro Bone like fuck little
John like a lot of us.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
We went through his studio and Bro, when I got
that ten million dollar deal, Bro' a little short white,
long haired dude. He just hugged me. He said, Berner,
go buy you a car. Bro, I'm still rinting cars,
fronting why you somewhere to stay? Man, get you some clothes.

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You made it dun't. And I was just standing there,
Bro and mumbling like I couldn't stop.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
They teach us, Bro to work like like we will.
We will correlate our success with how hard we work
like slaves, domg. We got to learn how to think,
We got to learn how to set up systems. But
you ain't got to be here every day no more.
But we addicted to that feeling.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
We've been trained in that trauma, Bro, and it's the
hardest thing for me.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I really think God put me in Mississippi for that reason.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think I had this bully body, bro like I was.
I didn't get this body bro to I was in
my senior year. I would have played serious, I would
have played football. I didn't get big bro until my
senior year. And I think God gave me this body
because I've been a victim for so long.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I fight, I beat up the bullies, can't stand the
bully hommy. I really think that's why God gave me
this body is to protect the weak. And I think
your sucker, bro, if you've been oppressed all your life
and then you take this power and use it against
the same people that God has blessed you to protect.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Bro, I'm so fortunate. Bro.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's the reason why I don't do VIP. That's the
reason why I go out in the crowd. That's the
reason why I speak the shit that I speak. And
I be trying to tell my friends that I be
trying to tell people that. Man, Like, one of my
friends told me. He was like, Manna, you just seem
like you're so angry all the time. And then I
digested it and I thought about it, Shannon. The only

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time I get upset is over when people mistreat black people.
I made it. I mean I got a lot of bread,
Like I only fight for the week, Bro. That shit
people that come from places we come from, Bro, how'd
you be?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
How'd you be?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
T I because it's interesting because you have such an
eclectic group.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I mean, you got rappers and you got Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Excuse me, you got you did Quincy Jones, risk and
soul and then you go to yeah, you got Snoop
two chains a con But but if you look at okay,
you got little Wayne t I, but you got Maroon five,
Maroon five and TI and the way it ate the claim,
and then you got Q and then you got Nel.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well with me and t I is a little bit
different because he came early. Like if you think about it, Bro,
like I was so blessed because what people don't know
was is I produced the holiday for Trick Daddy, but
nobody knew who David Banner was at the time, so
I wasn't able to take advantage.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I was even in the video.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
But TI I is the person who allowed me to
be a million dollar producer, like rubber band Man.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Change the texture.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
He's also and people want admit this. He's the reason
why producers can put their tags on their beat on
the radio. Because my tag was on my beats way
before Rubber band Man, but the radio.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Stations would shave it off.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
T I called up the hot in Atlanta and said,
don't touch my music. That boy worked hard because the
reason why I put my tag on my beat, Bro,
And I think this is what the tag tag is
like when you put your name before the beat. Okay,
you know what I'm saying, like David David David Banner.
The only reason why I did that is because I
noticed Jay Z would say, Kanye, you a fool, fool fool,

(22:56):
just blaze you did it again every time he would
say their name. They could charged ten thousand dollars extra. Right,
Southern rappers hit their producers like Bro, like it hurts
me to this day. Koc from Beasts by the Pound
as big as No Limit was. Don't nobody know who
they are? Bro, And they's some of my mentors. And

(23:17):
I hate the fact.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I really think Beats by the Pound as big as
timbling and for real because they changed music in the
same way use people do, but we don't know who
they are. And since I saw that, I said, I'm
not gonna let them like look over me. I'm gonna
put my own name before my beat, right and Bro,
it got so hot at one time, Bro, And people
don't even get me credit for that, Like people can

(23:40):
say whatever they want to you first. I think I
was one of the first pray people to put my
name before a beat, but nobody made it hot in
contemporary America like I did.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So when everybody put their name before they beat, and
they don't say nothing to me. That's what I'm supposed
to do, But I am still in the flesh. You
will feel good for you to acknowledge the person who
allowed you to do the shit that you.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Do to this day.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
But t I man like he changed and for some reason, Man,
every level of my life, we keep coming back together.
And Man, I'm so appreciative of who he is and
like my bro. Actually, they tried to put him on
the cross and they tried to crucify him, and he

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stood b I'm like, if there was one person on
this planet that I could say resilience, I don't think
there's no man in the music industry that's as resilient
as t II is.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And every day to get up and he keep going.
People don't even think.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
He shared his whole career and became conscious in front
of everybody and put a conscious album out. He didn't
just talk that shit. A lot of did that shit
bro to be cool because it was the woke moment.
T I did that shit and put his career on
the line.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
BRO.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
When he first came out with his first album, I'm serious, Bro,
he told the motherfuckers let me go. He went back
to the streets and built itself back up again.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
My bro ain't perfect, Bro, But Tip try, Bro. He
tried so hard all the time and he and he's
so tough. You'll never be able to see that part
of what Bro try. And for the first time in
his life, I think he cared, yeah, and he not
used to that.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
He didn't come from that environment. And I'm watching.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Him process the fact that he cared about shit and
then that make you human again?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
What the you do with that ship? Like what I'm serious?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Dog?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
That's how I feel now?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Like why am I getting depressed?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Hey? Dog? The ship we used to do with? What
this ship is? Feelings right, you know?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
And I'm just grateful man that me and him still friends, right,
and that I call Bro. It ain't been one time
that I ever called Tip. He didn't show up for me, bro, wow,
And I'm grateful to like when they did. The death
of Auto Tune, I never knew and t pain is

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my friend.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Bro. They were children, And.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I'm not saying that you're right or wrong with your
do a child like that, Bro, And what I'm saying
is even when we wrong, look at how white folks
do Trump, what Trump can say that dumbest shit on
this planet. White folks gonna protect them. They may have
another conversation with him later on why we can't do that,

(26:35):
But it's like now black media has got to the
point where the same way, and it's from the places
that we're from. And I'm looking you in your eyes shining,
and when I say this, shit, when you look at
when they used to hang black folks in trees, then
you see black folks on the outskirts. Same thing they
did to Jesus. You say that you knew that he
was the son of Jesus, and you didn't do shit,

(26:57):
you coward? How dare you pray it his name? When
he did you let him sit up there on that cross.
The same thing with that child, You let them crucify
that child, and you did nothing, you hope. That's what
I believe, And that's why I don't really believe in
the music industry. I don't really believe the folks are
on my friend. As much as I care about the

(27:19):
situations that I'm in, bro, I know you folks don't
care about me.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Understand that, because if.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
They did that to Jesus, what do you think they
do to my Mississippi country ass dog? So what I realized, man,
is that The thing that I did realize is, though, man,
is that like the men, those of us who were around, Bro,
we could have stepped up more right.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Think about the NFL players, BRO, how strong you all are,
but they put y'all in the situation Bro, where y'all
be in cities where the most impoverished Black people are
and they don't even let you around with your people.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Bro. I see that more on the NBA. BRO. Like BRO,
I had an opportunity. My best friend lived in Portland.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Bro. They don't like black people being around the hood. Bro.
Basketball and what we've done for basketball. But I don't
never see no black kids in NBA cares.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm honest with what I see.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
BRO.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
There's no artists I've ever worked with in my life,
and I don't look at any one of these cameras.
I have not met anybody more talented than that young man. BRO.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I am a producer. I am not a beat maker.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
When I was stopped to beat for Chris Brown, Chris
Brown to say, I know, you know, you know, it's
an infinite amount of things you don't know he knew, Wow,
and Bro, Like, the reason why Chris Brown, I'm not
saying this and I gotta be careful with my words.

(28:57):
The reason why he's not on a Prince Michael Jackson level,
it's because he chose his manhood over his music. And
you can't blame on for that. Bro just wanted to
be respected as a man. Bro never really had men
around him.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Dude. I don't blame a little bro for that. Bro.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
And it's hard, dude, Like, that's one thing man Like.
It's the craziest thing for me as an entertainer. Dude. Like,
even from a woman perspective, I remember when I made play.
There's a difference between you being a hunter and then
all the women decide you sexy and then they after

(29:38):
you and then you become an object. Bro, I never
talked to That was hard for me to deal with. Like,
I'm not used to it. I'm used to hunting. Don't
make it easy for me, woman, you know what I mean.
And we don't have therapy for that because most people
from where we're from ain't never seen what we've seen. Bro,
Chris from the South, Bro, people forget that the boy

(30:00):
from the South, from the country too. He dealt with
that shit alone. So however, it was bro like and
I just wish man. I'll never forget when Chris got
his first tattoo, Bro, some of the people in the
label knew me and his relationship, and they called me
up there. Chris hid under the guests, Bro, so I

(30:25):
was coming and I remember telling him, Bro, you a kid,
be a kid as long as you can.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
And I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I told him this, bro, get that Disney money, because
once you've grown, you can't ever come back. But he
wanted to be a man, and he chose that, Bro,
and I can't blame him for that.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Wow, you mentioned Nellie's Tip Drill.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
When you first heard that song, do you know, like
when you hear a beat, do you know it's a hit?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
My song played was the only song that went I
heard that. I knew that was him. I didn't like
like a pimp. If I knew rubber Man was that dope.
I do love Tip. I had have kept it for myself.
I can't even lie to you. I got to be honest.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I can't even sit here and tell you that I
had at as a matter of fact Tip is like
now my.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Ears for me, bro, because he's a genius. Bro.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
When it comes to hearing it, I just make a
bunch of shit, and some of that shit is great.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Some of it sucks.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I can tell that ain't And I just got to
be honest with you. Most producers wouldn't tell the truth
about this, but I will. When I first started, if
I made ten beats, two of them a dope. Now
if I made ten beats four them dope, But like
that's just part of it. You just got to keep
making it, you know. But no, Bro, I I had

(31:50):
no idea.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
What I will say is that Nelly is the only
artist that I made a beat for and he took
it because you got to think, when you make a
beat for an artist, the only thing you can go
off of is what you.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Heard from the right.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
But if they're really an artist, they ten years ahead
of that now, so you're usually behind them trying to cater.
What you should do as a producer is give them
the future instead of being in their past.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And Nelly was the only one.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Every beat I sent to Nelly, he got on there.
And I don't want to talk about it because some
things are not meant to talk about. But I never
really got into like petty shit. Yeah, Bro, I don't
watch the news as smart as I am, people will

(32:43):
be surprised. I don't news is depressing. I don't get
into people's beef unless we grew up together. Like I'm
trying to bring the community together.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I have an opinion on that.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, man, I got into a lot of rap beefs
that I didn't know about, bro, and it hurt my
money because I was always trying to bring people together,
you know, And I just got caught off into a
lot of that ship.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Peimpsy said you looked that for his family when he
went in. You don't mind with me? Why did you
do it? And what did you do?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I don't know. What I did was so long ago.
Why'd you do it? I don't know. You don't know
why you did it.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Just let me ask you if you really live by
the spirit. Yeah, ain't your business, ste what you're told.
All I knew was that Pempe's voice changed my life.
I don't give a how dope like a pimp beat was,
people were attracted to.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Make them girls get down on the flow.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
On the flow, like Bro, I sampled that man voice
and didn't know them and it changed my life. How
dare I not feedback into his family? The problem is
us as black folks, Bro, is that we get money
and we start catering to people that don't like us
instead of what Easter Ray say, networking side to side,

(34:11):
you know what I'm saying. And so if his voice
blessed me that way, why not bless him and one
thing I don't And Shannon, I think you do a
good job at this, bro, one thing and I'm proud
that I never did. Snoop is actually my friend, bro,
be clear, But he's still Snoop. Yeah, And I never

(34:34):
allow myself to stop being a fan. PIMPC was my friend, Bro.
That's still Pimp C. And I'll never take that away
from me. The fact that the people that we look
up to the most, Samuel L. Jackson is now my friend, Bro.
But don't ever get that yump. That's Samuel L. Jackson,

(34:58):
and that allows me to stay grateful for each day
in my life.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Bro. But those are still the people that I looked
up to. Do you know?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
One know something crazy with a lot of the people
that I look up to look up to me Wow.
They come to me for guidance, especially spiritually, right, you
know what I'm saying? Yes, And sometimes I have to
remind myself that I can't take that away from them too,
So I got to I still gotta stay up, but
I gotta also realize that these are people that I

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look up to and love and respect to.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
You work with Wayne after he got out of jail.
Wayne's been at this thing for a while.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean I think Wayne started probably twelve or thirteen,
and here he's probably be in his forties now, so
he's been at this thing.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
For a minute. What did I mean?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
And I think I still think Wayne when they talk
about goats, the way he can put words together, he's
I mean, he yeah, what is it like watching him
create a masterpiece?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
This is not gonna be popular. What I'm about to say,
what's funny to me? Only my opinion. I think Wayne
was more of a problem when he was twelve, like
the early cash money where he focused in Like a

(36:23):
lot of people became fans of jay Z and you know,
keeping it in your head, and I think that's cool.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
One thing Ericabaidu taught me was that you don't ever
judge how a person reveals or creates their music, right.
But I remember the stories that he used to give
Bro back on the BGS in the early cash money
before the universal deals. Like, I can't imagine a focused

(36:56):
little Wayne who has to steal sending to somebody. Gotta
think Lil wayn ain't got to listen to nobody, no more,
no producer, no engine, nobody. But there's a certain think
about eminem with Doctor Dre. You said you want to say,
but when he with Doctor Dre, it's special.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Jada kiss with.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
The Alchemists early, Bro, there's just something about having somebody
that you have reverence to.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I just think that the world doesn't know because they're
not privy to the Lil Wayne that I was that
I'm a fan of Bro like I would just love
to hear that just one more time.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Bro, you got an album out now that I was
coming out.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, but I will tell you something Bro that I
don't think. I don't know if I said this anymore,
maybe maybe one out of time, but Wayne said the
most admirable thing anybody has ever said to me in history, Bro,
as a producer. Wayne told me because what a lot
of people don't know is some of the beats. Some
of the most historical freestyles that Wayne did. They were

(38:08):
over David Banner beats. But I would send him so
many beats. I don't put my tag on my beat
until they paid for it.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
But it was Wayne, so I didn't really give a shit.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Put that shit out waye because if Wayne do one
of your beats, yeah gonna pay you because you produced.
So I never tripped. Wayne could do whatever he wanted
to do, right. But Wayne told me something.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
He called me man. It was really strange, said Banner.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now that I'm a businessman, I can't promise you that
you're gonna have a spot on everything on Young Money.
But I can promise you that I give you opportunity
to fight for your spot. And that's all you can
ask for as a man.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
And the thing that I would wish and hope for
Wayne Man is that that man really loves music.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I talked about this today. Bro, like Wayne with light
of blood put his head in the speaker and asked
me to play all my beats, not to sell him,
but because he was a fan of my production.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Ain't iboy.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I don't give like, Bro, just play the music, Bro,
And I just wish that we could all make music again.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Like I've been talking about this a lot because I
want people to know that ain't about music. The last
thing I produced for Tia that came out.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I didn't charge you. Just wanted us to be in
the studio again. Bro, I got money. Let's just get
back to doing it. Because, Bro, if we do.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
What we do naturally the money coming, you got AI
and all that stuff. The thing that you can't replicate
is bro like real live heart, bro, real music, something
that touches people's soul. One of my friends told me
when they created at the television, we lost our minds,
but the one thing that couldn't take away from us

(40:05):
is our spirit and our soul. We still got that, Shannon, right,
And like Wayne Bro, Wayne is a Wayne is special Bro.
He is special man. And I just wish, like Chris Brown, Bro,
that we'll just get back in and with each other
and work again. Bro like skinning the studio, like a

(40:28):
group of us that really care about this shit. And
I think people would come back to it if they
felt something. Bro and Wayne got that Wayne really loved music,
Bro really really loves music.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Bros.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
There's another artist I want to shout out because when
I was thinking about Wayne, I thought about him, Devin
the dude in Houston, Like I work with him, right,
and he reminds me of that fiend from New Orleans.
Remind me of that bro that people who just dropping
them zones, bro, and they love music so much that

(41:04):
everything else melts away. And I think people feel that
people feel way ain't suffering, and that's what people really relate.
And he don't mind putting this heart on the track.
I just wish, man, it was enough of us around
to focus that, because you can say a lot of
dope stuff, bro, but like to be able to put
it in and guide it a little bit, not much.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Bro, I am.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I am one of the executive producers of Jill Scott's
new album Okay, and she's a great example of that, bro.
Like Jill don't need no producers, but like to be
honest with you, man, to even be in the space
to just give a little nudge, a little nudge here,
because to be real, Jill.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Does seven songs in one session.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Wow, you just gotta be mad enough to let her
play uh huh and move out our way and then realize, Okay,
it's time to move on now, right, But let her
get it as much of it out as you possibly can.
But it ain't much producing Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, Jill Scott, their.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Geniuses, Samuel L.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Jackson, Justin Timberlake, Eed, your Salva, Regina King, Loretta Devine,
Lawrence Fitzburn, They Diggs, far As Waderker Boris Kojo Oprah,
Cooper Gooding Jr. Don Chito, Taraji, Queen Latifa. What is
the most fun you had on set?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Or each each of.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Those individuals that I read off brings a different banner out.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, So let me tell you this right, No, no
live Shaun and I just started learning how to enjoy
my life. Bro, I've been so serious. I've been so
scared of dropping the ball that I didn't enjoy the shit.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think about having a football, Bro, you never thow
that because you're scared somebody going interccept it. Right, That
ain't fun. Part of it is letting that fly correct.
Nobody ever taught me that us from Mississippi. Man. So like,
I'm gonna just be real with you, bro. Like most
of the stuff I go through, I ain't got nobody

(43:08):
to call.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Like ain't nobody ever done no shit that I've done
for Bro. I just got to the point where I
can call Samuel or Jackson this year, Bro, And people
don't understand the pressure, like it's easy to do some
dumb thug shit like I'm used to that shit. I
got hummies that do that shit. But Bro, I didn't
got to a point in my life where ain't nobody

(43:32):
really the call, And so I always been nervous. Bro.
Like last year, Bro, I was shooting in the middle
of my biggest depression in my life. Bro, I was
shooting Fight Night and Family Business New Orleans at the
same time, and didn't nobody know it. I couldn't tell
them folks that I was doing both of them at

(43:53):
the same time. But I had accepted Family Business first,
And ain't no way I'm not gonna do Fight Night
with Kevin Hard Samuel Jackson to Rajie Terrace, Howard done Cheatle.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
We're gonna figure out the way to make that shit happen, right,
fuck Dad? Right?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
And bro, Hey, I never really had a chance to
talk about this, Bro. That that shit fried me. Bro's
a lot because I was starring. I'm a star in
Family Business, Yes, and then the pressure of every night
I go to work, it's almost like you got you
got seven games, but all of them are All Star Game.

(44:33):
You only played one All Star Game a year when
you're playing football, would imagine all Like That's what Fight
Night was. So the pressure of every time I go
to work, I got talked to my friends about acting
in front of Samuel L.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Jackson.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Bro, you know, and so it just but but I'm
gonna tell you this, Bro, Samuel Jackson, he relieved me
of that.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
After I got done with Fight Night, Man, Samuel, I
went to him and I was like, because I really
didn't talk to him because I didn't really want to
be all up under him if I didn't make him proud.
And Samuel Jackson said the dopest shit ever. He said, mess,
stop that shit, man, quitt it. He was like, Bro,
when I started acting, Bro, I was just walking by.
He said, in your first movie, Black Snake, Mom, you

(45:19):
was acting in front of me and you survived. Said
you're supposed to be here. Stop acting like that. So
basically he was telling me to stand in my light, bro,
stand up and be the man. And Eric Abadu used
to tell me that all the time. She used to
always say this was strange because you know she flowed.
She always say, we waiting on you, mister Donner. People

(45:42):
are waiting on you to see the God and you
and I never did brun terresaly wow.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Right along with Kevin Hart, Knic Cube, Kate Hart shot
you cbe interrogated you. What's it like to being on
with keV? Can I can just imagine I've been around
him a little bit and and talk to Cube had
Cube on here? What's it like to be on the
set with keV? With Kevin Hart?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Can I take one of these homes?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
You sure can?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Okay, thank you? I want to say this, bro, and
I'm serious. Say whatever they want to about Kevin Hart.
With the exception of Tyler Perry, I don't seen nobody
work as hard as him.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Bro. Like he inspired me. Bro, Yeah he he were
he worked.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I mean, like to be honest with you, Bro, like
he either writing, he started it, commercials, movie and TV
and people don't see he faced timing his kids over
here on the side talking to his wife. He got
a dialect coach because he's not from the South, but
he's doing the Southern film.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
He wake up every morning, bro at four thirty and
work out.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm not playing about this workout shit. Bro, I ain't lying.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I saw Kevin hart back. He ain't no way of
no monks. I won't see the way. They ain't a
motherfucker out do me. Bro, if you don't play no sports,
I did see it when y'all see my back. That
was cousin Kevin Heart. The motherfucker looks like you have
a backpack. Fuck, you ain't gonna outdo me. And I
got more time than you. But but Kevin hard Man,
he worked so hard, man, and to have some simular

(47:19):
like to have some form of still being human and
learn how to smile, and he.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Hear all the shit people throw at him.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Does How can you not? Because people I don't play
no attention to that. Well you might not, but guess
what you got family friends and loved ones that do.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And Bro, that boy work his ass off, and whether
you agree with what he do, it's always how do
you ever noticed most people who talk the most shit
don't have nothing. People who have what you have, regardless
of whether they like you or art from form or not,
they know how hard it is to get so they
usually don't talk shit about like Kevin work hard man,

(48:01):
Kevin I man, and I was inspired when we did
you know, fight night. I just didn't tell him. But
I'm proud of him, man, And what I want him
to know is that I studied him the same way
I studied fifty cent and music. I watched Kevin Hart,

(48:21):
and as hard as I work, like Shannon, I bust
my ass all the time. Bro, I always wanted to
have to have children. Again, I tell you that I
always wanted to have a family, but I sacrificed that.
But to see somebody, bro, if I can work like
I work now and reach the level that Kevin Hart
is or he's at now, but we don't need but

(48:43):
a year of that dog right. But Kevin Hart had
done this shit for four five years. Oh yeah, he
all right, And I'm really proud of him.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Again.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Don't agree with everything he do, don't agree with everything
that he say, but he happy.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, I'm cool. Is that audition you've gone on and
you didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Get Yeah, that's a lot of most that what people
say people say.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Let me change that. There was an audition that I
smashed that I got it and the director said, I
look to young, damn, and I wouldn't be here in
front of you right now. I ain't gonaven bullshit you
if if that would have happened, I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I was supposed to be the black guy walking dead.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
The the casting directors like it was actually two ladies, right,
and this was I'm serious, y'all listen to me. I
would have hated to be in that room because what
they did was unacceptable, but it was dope because they
did it for me. The lady walked out after I

(49:49):
did my audition and said I found him. Imagine it's
thirty people in the room and somebody come out and
say I found him, and you gotta come after that, right,
she said, I got to introduce you to my partner.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Come here.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
At the time, I was wrong, vegan drinking a gall
in the water every day.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I can't lie to you. Bro, I did look like
I was twenty four. What came back to me. I
don't know how true it is that I look to young.
But now my friends said they could have put some
gray in your beard. You got that shit. But that
was one thing, brother, that I always I don't I
don't regret anything because everything is in God light and
God pal But I look at how well walking dead dead? Yeah,

(50:31):
and Bro, what that would have done for me?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Shit? But you never know, bro, been dead anything?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Like, I don't ever wish for what I don't have, right,
but that.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
That's one one of the ones. Though, Bro, do you
prefer producing, rapping or acting? Is there one day? Is
there a preference? How much they're paying? So you don't
have a preference. I don't give us.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
No, honestly, Shannon. We're getting to do what our parents say.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Play right. I get to play every day that I
wake up.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Bro. It no't matter how I play, just as long
as I continue being creative.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I just came off of I did Forbes, and I
talked about that. In Forbes.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I said, I'm one of the few CEOs that will
come up here and tell you that I want to
do less business. I make all this money. I want
to be I want to create, be creative again. Like,
that's your God power is to create, So Bro, Like,
we spend so much time working, we missed the opportunity
to be in communion with God and create new things.

(51:36):
That's what I want to do, Shannon. This young man
one of the dopest minds of the younger age. His
name is Dereck Grace. He said something so powerful one time,
and I didn't ask him to say this. He said,
can black people Can you imagine David Banner with a
billion dollars, Well, he could do for our community. Oh yeah,
if all he had to do was think and create

(51:58):
for us shit. But I'm always Shannon, just watch, I'm
about to tell their mouth out. And Bro, I'm telling you,
I am not joking. I'm gonna be out here with
no shirt on. You're gonna be like you can put
your clothes on them and be like, no.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
If they're a role that you won't play in a movie. Yeah,
it's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I don't want to get into that, Shannon, because we
can't run our mouth before we get into positions that
we need to in order to help our families. But
I do know that sometimes our black bodies are used
to push certain agendas, and I just refuse to do that.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
But I said like that.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Terrence Howard was in Fight Night with You, But lately
he's been taking on the establishment. He's been calling out
Hollywood for some of the things they're doing. Have you
seen that side of Hollywood that he's speaking about. This
is what I will say. We don't even have to
go there, Shannon. Where are you from.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It's out Georgia, and you see that outside.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
America ain't no different, bro. Do you know what's crazy
about lynchings? Have y'all ever noticed? And I'm talking to
the white people in here when y'all saw pictures of
lynchings and I'm talking to the white people, what color
do they usually have on?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Remember they had on white? I want to know why
they just got out of church. These people ain't changed.
The America ain't changed, bro. The problem that people don't
understand is that the slave house has always been in
direct proportion of the slave master house. The thing that

(53:39):
we don't understand from a mathematical standpoint is that the
slave house has grown forty million times, So the slave
house is just bigger. We haven't We haven't progressed that much, bro,
only in direct proportion to how much the slave master house.
So what I'll tell you, bro, is in Hollywood, man

(54:00):
like we act like it's no different, bro, But like
be honest with you, bro, Like you know this, Shannon,
the police and our towns just took the hood off
in a lot of cases, you know, And I'm it ain't.
I'm not surprised. It's not this big thing. We always

(54:22):
act like this one thing that I don't like about
our community, Like when we see certain people fall like
in entertainment. We knew that about them in our community,
you know, we did ten twenty years ago. Don't act
surprised because white folks act surprised. Hollywood is no different
than America, bro. And I'm just getting to the point
now that I refuse to self sabotize self sabotize myself, bro,

(54:48):
because I've always been talking and I'm not gonna get
up on your show and kill myself when I'm this
close right to being in control of my own life.
But what I will say, America ain't no different than
the police department, Ain't no different than the irs. Ain't
no different than what you've been through in the NFL.
We just understand what it is. We play within the
parameters until we can get the freedom that we have, Bro.

(55:10):
But you know you said it earlier, Bro, what is this?
What is all of this stuff? It's a fraternity. And
if it's a fraternity, it's a circle and it's certain
people outside of that circle, and if you're not in
that circle, you're gonna be treated a certain way or manipulated.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
What made you start a multimedia production company? Why would
you want? Why do you want to do that? Cream
like you got a lot of You got a lot
of iron, You got a lot of iron in the fire.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I just knew I wouldn't. Cube is my hero. Ice
Cube is my hero.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
People never saw him as an A list actor, but
he saw himself as an A list actor.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
True.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
So what I realized is nobody is going to love
me the way that I love myself, okay, And that
as long as it took me to become a rapper,
I know it would take me longer to become Superman.
So if I wanted our children to see a superhero,
I have to believe in myself at that level and
I would have to shoot it. I say this to
all the kids, listen to me. Shoot it, Just shoot it.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Shannon.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
You didn't know if this shit was gonna pop or not.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
You don't, but you.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Felt it in you felt it in your spirit, and
you shoty. Just shoot shoot into the gun, empty and
keep busting that it could just be going click click click,
click click, Just keep shooting and Bro it to happen. Like,
I really believe that God conspires, I think bro, the
way that And I'm only saying this, Bro, because you

(56:35):
have access to our people. It's not that I'm trying
to put you in a peculiar, peculiar situation, Bro, But
like I believe that the way that we pray to
God is wrong. I think that God really want to
help us do what we want to do. But if
you say you and okay, if you say you a

(56:56):
God and you act like it, give you that too
you pray for, you will get and your true prayers,
what you think about and what you talk about the most.
You may pray one time to God, but in your
ordinary everyday life, were talking about negativity, hate, poverty. That's
what you gonna get, Shannon. I could tell when you talked, Bro,

(57:18):
you wanted to be successful so bad.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You wanted that bread so bad.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
That was your prayer, so you got it. Other things
that come along with that. That's what they don't teach us.
But hey man, it's it's scary now, Bro, Like how
much I can move the universe around. And we got
to stop acting like we surprised about it, man, and

(57:46):
start getting back in touch with the stuff that our grandparents.
And that's why I guess that gives so much love
to Ryan Coogler and what he did with Sinners, because
he was really trying to introduce black people to another
part of our spirituality that we love that our grandparents
knew about. And I'm not gonna talk about it on
this show. We could talk about it later on, Bro,
But there's another aspect of our spirituality, whether we agree

(58:08):
with it or not, but it's more of our culture
than what we say that we believe in, and we
turn our nose up a man, And I'm just starting
to realize, man, that I have more power and dominion
over how I live my life and I just have
to stand up as a man and accept that. And Bro,

(58:29):
it's not easy and it's scary. But Shannon, you called
the shit that you did. Ain't nobody ever did the
shit that you did. Bro, No black man in the
podcast space Bro to do the shit that you did
the way that you did it. Bro. Bro, they thought
you was a country bumpkin. Bro, you showed them me

(58:49):
being from the country means more than you being tight ass.
And then if you notice, they started to try to
act like you. No, you can't beat me being me. No,
you better stay tight ass like you being stay where
you stay, bro. And again, BROH watched how you studied. Bro,
you put yourself in a very uncomfortable situation. And it's
funny now even when I watched when you did the intro,

(59:12):
it's so polished, and I was thinking to myself, like, Bro,
you really free.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
That's what you choose to do.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
You literally at a point where you can do what
you choose to do. And you did that hard work
so you can be free. Yeah, just understand man, that
you did that. Bro, I promise brought studied you.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
So it's a blessing Gatorade you you redid that twelve
times and they still didn't use it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
You know they end up using it. Yeah, it is
the second biggest Gatorade. I don't know if it's still
is the second big biggest Gatorade commercial in history.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Wow. Yeah, I mean, like you done? So? Do you ever?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I mean, have you taken the time? Because then I
tell this is what I tell people. I was like
when I was playing. I don't know. I never smelled
the roses because I was so cold.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I was so focused on making sure I did right
and I was staying on top of my game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Is that now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Sometimes when I see stuff, I like, Damn, I did that,
and people will use you because they know you don't
see yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Women do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Corporations do it like they smell like. Women are really
good at seeing our potential that we don't see. Corporations
see the stuff that we don't see. Bro, Like I, Bro,
this is really hard for me to say. Bro, I
was I was on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
This white show. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Any white boys had had studied me so hard, and
they talked about all the stuff that I did, Shannon,
and I can't bullshit you, Bro. It made me tired,
Like I literally got tired, like I'm gonna go home
and go to sleep, Like, man, I've done so much
at such a high level, bro, And it hurt me,

(01:00:56):
Bro because most black people don't give up, and I
do what I do for black people and they probably
care the least.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
What did wasn't I the Bible? You remember how Jesus
did who you worked for?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, But I mean it's easy to say that, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
It is. You know it hurt. It hurts. Yeah, it
hurts more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It does when it comes like the outside saying whatever
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And I don't want my ship when I'm when I'm dead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Think about Basquiacht, Bro, how much people are taking advantage
of his art and his own family can't live off
of his genius. Bro, and he died suffering. Bro, he
wasn't happy. Come on, Bro, I'm not gonna do that ship, y'all.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Look at Malcolm and Martin. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
They family is suffering. Dude, Dad, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
It gotta be a better way. And if God gave
us those examples, why go down that man. Look man,
that's what I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Bro. We gotta do better. We're talking to each.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Other man, and and and pulling each other aside and
being like, man, come on, bro, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
One of my homeboys worked for the biggest shoe company
in the world and then they putting my homie through it, dude,
and I just called him. I was like, Bro, I
got a room in my house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I know you rich, but just come on down to
the crib man. Let's talk, not even talk. That's what
I did with T Pain, that fuck that fucked T
Pain up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
When T Pain was going through a shit, I brought
T Pain into my house and this is going It
freaked him out because I had just started understanding meditation.
I made T Paint calling to my house and sit
on my porch and he couldn't say nothing to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Me for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I said, just sit there, and then motherfucker was sitting
there shaking because he had never been in a space
where somebody cared about him enough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Well, I don't need nothing from you. I just need
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
To sit there and process life, bro, And most people
don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Have you always been a guy that wanted to help.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
People, Yeah, but not for the right reasons. I'm starting
to realize now, man, that as I have a therapist
and did I become more spiritual, I think I wanted
to help more. I wanted to help people so much
because I had been hurt so much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
And my ego.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
And like, man, that preacher told me that. The Mississippi
preacher said, you keep playing Jesus and wonder why you
end up on a cross. Wow, it ain't your responsibility
to say nobody it ain't my responsibility, bro, Like that
was the hardest thing. But I thought it was my
responsibility to say, Mississippi, it's not do what you can
and go to home. Because one thing I actually learned

(01:03:49):
is from the Spider Man movie. I don't know if
you remember when the Green Goblin was on him and
Spider Man was on the top of Toby movie and
he said, live long enough, hero to be the villain.
No matter how good I did, no matter how much
I worked, still talk shit about me, no matter how
much good I did, still say I ain't never I

(01:04:12):
ain't never done nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Never ever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Ever, that's what you're gonna say to me, I ain't
never done nothing. So I realized you just have to
have the resolve in yourself to do God's work and
sit in it and go to home. Because Shannon, no bullshit.
I said this three two times on your show already, Bro, Bro,
I always wanted children. I ain't got no and no wife. Bro,

(01:04:43):
you still gonna have that better? Yeah? But I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I don't have are you Are you putting yourself in position?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Okay, then, but I don't know how Shannon. I mean,
you can run a math, Bob, but you got to
get to the start line.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
You sure, yes, you might want to recap? Do you
film want to run no marathon? No, I'm just saying, like, Shannon, honestly, bro,
Like it's easy to say it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I used to tell my dad that all the time, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
How many rappers before you came out of the Mississippi. How
many people don't TV before you came out to Misissippi?
Black people look like you, talk like you, act like you. Okay, then,
but what I'm telling you, Shannon, I'm serious though, Bro.
It's like I used to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Tell my dad all the time, just show me how
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
What to all. I know how he can't show you
what he don't know. I never thought about that too, Shae.
I've never used that word.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah too shape.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
But like I'm serious, Shannon, Like I don't I don't
know what to do. I don't know what that shit
look like, Honey, I don't know nothing but work my
mentor tell me that all the time. You're on the
hamster wheel again, ask you, mister Banner, tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
My mentor is David Moody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
He told me this, Shannon, watch this, he said, son,
Say yes, sir, how many followers you got?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Around four million?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
He said, the stuff that I teach you, if you
gave it to your fans and your followers, I say yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
He said. Okay, he said, don't I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Tell you you do too much all the time. Say yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
So let me ask you this. If you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Teach your fans and your people and your followers what
I taught you, how many people have I influenced?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Four million and one?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
He looked at me directly in my eyes, and David
Moody said, how many people that I concentrate on?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I said, just me, dann you Wow, bars, that's it.
Y'all ain't gotta say shit behind them tabs. That was dope.
You know that shit was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I know that y'all usually don't applaud, says Tabra.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
But y'all can give me a little bit from that
come out. Yeah, I tap your motherfuckers white folks too. Yeah,
that was it. That was it before we wrap. How
do you like that change? But that's not okay? Look
like waight yeah, little little.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Shy to talk all that shit about that. Now running water, Oh,
this is change is just so ic and watery. For
all the water that I didn't have anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You got anything, you promote, you got an album, you
got a TV show?

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
What you got? Tell people that telling people because people
can watch.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
This Family Business New Orleans. You can look at it
on Amazon BT plus Fight Night. I got some movies
coming out, man. The main thing that I will ask
my people is just don't leave me alone, Shannon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
You know how this ship feels.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah, when people come after you, Folks leave you all
by you, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
To give you an opportunity, though David, to find out
who was always who was really there for the right reason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I'm just asking for people not to do that to me,
like I stand for y'all. One of the things I
realized with my sex sus Shannon, is that really black
people can't figure out why I came back. Most people
get the fame that I've been able to accrue, and
they leave black people. I love my people. I run
towards my people, and the thing that hurts me the

(01:08:15):
most is not I expect the swords from the enemies
or people who have historically not loved us. I still
can't registrate from my people, and I know it comes
from a hurt place. I know it comes from an
ignorant place. But I real, real, lie love black folks,

(01:08:35):
a real, real live like people think I'm joking when
I talk about the admiration that I have for black women.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I mean that with all my heart. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I love people that look like my mama. I love
people that look like my grandmother.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I mean that shit with all my heart, bro. And
it hurts me to even fathom that people don't feel
the same way about me when they may not even
have the capacity to. And I'm smart enough to understand that,
but that don't stop me from being in the flesh.
Only thing that I asked managed to for people to
give me the same thing that you give Hines Ketchup

(01:09:14):
that you get a gas company, that you get a
light company in southern places where we're from.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
You give your.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Un dying attention in paper two, that you give butt Wiser,
that you give Hennessy. That's what I want, bro, And
if you can't give me what you give them, then
I'm cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna get out of here
on this and I'm gonna share with you what my
therapist shared with me. She says, Shanna, your biggest mistake
is that you see yourself and other people. Bars, you
think people it's gonna treat you like you would treat them,
or like you would want to be treated. He said,
that's your she said, that is your mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Bars. I can't say nothing of that one. Bro, David Banner,
hold on, worry, can I do this? I know this
has never happened before, Shannon Shark. You needed that, didn't Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Pat your good question before we go? Yeah, did you
enjoy yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
I did? I did you? Brother spelt like therapy? Yeah,
it did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
This is actually a little spooky to me, Bro, And
I have to tell y'all, I don't know whether he
gonna keep this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
But half of the interview I had to piss.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
And I was so upset that I had to piss
because I'm a man of discipline. I said, how do
you get on this platform and had this opportunity and
have to piss? And then what I was told is like,
that's all ry, you human, go piss exactly, And I
went and pissed. I don't know how you're gonna edit
that though, And I wanted to say pissed on the
shade shed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Yeah we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Okay, not literally, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
All my life, running, all my life, sacrifice, hustle Price
got the brother all my life. I've been grinding all
my life, all my life, grunning all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
My life, sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
That's who play the Price.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
One slice got to brow wa all my life. I've
been grinding all my life, h

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