Club Shay Shay - G Herbo Part 2 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for You're coming back. Part two is underway Savage.
What it was Savage? He did a tribute. I know
you beg you good friends with Savage? What did that
mean to you?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Just I ain't gonna lie. Savage one of the realist
niggas I ever met in life. Real Like, he's so solid, bro.
And it's because like my friends, my brothers became his
brothers and vice versa. You know what I'm saying, Like
when he lost like people that he lost, like when
he lost Skinny and CJ and them. You feel I'm

(00:34):
saying like that shit. You know it made me.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Feel I sat down with him, you guys, personality, y'all, y'all,
I can see how y'all guys became friends.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know for sure, we both leaders too. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Okay, yeah, that's my brother, Like like how we locked in.
Like I'm seeing how he really take care of his people. Yes,
and he cared about his brothers. You know what I'm saying,
Like I do the same thing for me, and he
was seeing it. So it's like when I'm coming to Atlanta,
I'm really only going around him. I'm hanging around him

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and his homies, Like sometimes he not even coming outside.
I'm with his man's you know what I'm saying. So
it's like they really became my brothers and vice versa.
The same way, like he come in Chicago, like he
was just in Chicago. He was in my hood with
my homies. I wasn't there. Feel like we really got
that type of love and mutual respect for each other.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's like when when he saw what that did to me,
like little Bro, like that shit really hurt him too.
He called me about it like, man, whatever you need,
Like anytime any situation happened with somebody with me or anything,
like he called him like, whatever you need, call me,
you feel I'm saying, It's like I still I'm not
gonna hit him, for sure, that's my brother, you know.
But it's like I know for a fact he he there,

(01:45):
He there for me, and in any situation, he gonna
be there, you feel. I'm saying, like I talked to
bro Dad every day.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
When she Keeth moved to La with that when you
felt that you needed to make the move to Yeah,
I ain't gonna lie. That was gold. I talk about
that so much. Bro, Like when Sosa moved to La.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It just it made it possible for us, Like damn,
you could just go to Cali and ain't got to
look over your shoulder no more. Like that was the
coldest shit ever to me, Like I didn't even really
like and that's crazy. We were just so like young
and dumb and naive to how much life is outside
of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
We like, Damn Social just moved to La and got
a big ass man chiain Like I couldn't wait.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
To do that shit.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
As soon as that what Uncle Roy saying. When I
got that check, I was gone. I changed soon as
I got a chance to move to La.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was up right.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm like, damn, bro, Social just started a whole new
life here, Like he don't even got to like think
about that shit no more. You don't got to look
over your shoulders, none of that. Like when we moved
to La. It's not even like how La was for real,
Like I mean how La is now like I feel
like COVID kind of La yep, where it's like, yeah,
Nigga's getting robbed and certain, Yeah, that shit wasn't going
on like that when we first came here, like I've

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been in LA for like seven years, Sosa been here
like ten eleven, and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
You feel me so Like.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
When he when he first moved to La, Like I
was like, damn, I can't wait. When he made that move,
it was like it's Sosa always been the blueprint for
like like certain niggas might not say it, but like
I'm gonna always get bro his flowers. Like he really
the greatest thing that happened to Chicago in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Like would you have left Chicago had he not moved
to La. No, Hell no, I wouldn't even know what
to do well, Like I wouldn't have knew that, Like.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
You could just leave and go, Like you feel what
I'm saying, Like I would have had to see it,
like to see it to believe it, you know what
I'm saying, Like he moved to La, I'm like, damn
that shit hard. You feel what I'm saying, Like and
as soon as I got a chance to, I did it.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You feel what I'm saying like just the best thing
you've done.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Hell yeah, And like I feel like it saved my
life for real, for real, for real, like moving to
La one hundred percent saved my life, you fee what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
And like when Sosa got all that.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Money, Sosa was sixteen with real millions of dollars, you
know what I'm saying. Like I was sixteen some money.
I had a couple hundred thousand, had the millions of
dollars at sixteen years, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So it's like his.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Life was different, you know, like he had the big mansions,
the cars, Like he was really like the inspiration for
us and my homie who I was saying, cap like
mahomie Marvin, who I was saying was like cocky on
the block where he told us not the movie right,
That was one of sosia best friends. They grew up together.
They from the same project. So that's how I knew Sosa.
Like when I first started rapping was around the time

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he started rapping, and we really like was homies, you
know what I'm saying, Like Sosa is somebody who I
really considered my brother, and it's somebody that's still like
even though we're the same age. He always inspired me,
you know what I'm saying, Like motivating me, Like all right, bet.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So that was your first day to action. With him
because one of your partners was his partners.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's how y'all, y'all actions was in the studio together. Okay, okay,
like when we like fifteen years old, you know what
I'm saying. I started he had his own basically kind
of like his own studio in his hood with well
like his homies and his engineer, and we just came
in and like paid for studio time there because my

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homie like Cap and Wap who brothers who grew up
with Sosa, they like referred to us like, man, y'all
should go record right there, just pay for the studio
time and we would come like Sosa be recording when
he of course he was always the first priority. So
it's like what he done recording, then we did studio time, right,
So like that's how we really.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Met, you said, Nicki Minaj was really the first one
to give you an opportunity. He wanted a feature. Yeah,
but when she called you, you ain't as the phone, No,
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
So you called your phone you like she said what
you said?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
No she was so look she didn't the original call.
It wasn't her on the phone. Okay, you know what
I'm saying it was a Safari on the phone, okay called.
So when they hit us, it was like four in
the morning. I'm in the studio on how Lean and
Peels and all.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Type of bullshit. They like, yeah, man, NICKI trying to
get you to come to that land. Do no verse.
I'm doing verse like this, NICKI them team on the phone.
You want to talk to him?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I'm like, man, hell no, you know NICKI them bro,
like man going with this ship, Like that's why I
told my managers, Like bro, he like you want to
talk to him on the phone.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm like, man, no, I know that's not.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Them, Like, man, you tweaking you just because at that
point we hot, so people calling and playing on the
phone all the time. So it was like, I'm man,
that ain't them, bro. They called back like two three
years later, I mean not two three years, two two days,
two three days later, like what the y'all doing, Like
we're trying to put you out on the plane in
LA to come through the song. So then I wind
up talking to him on the phone for real, like

(06:26):
a bet now they serious, And I got on the
plane and I did the verse, and she was just
telling me like like how she fucked with my music
and like she wanted to do the song the beat
that she hit. She wanted to do the song like
with my catus. You know what I'm saying. Like that's why,
like i'mna always fuck with Nikky and respect Niggy, because
she was like, I'm trying to use your catus and

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your flow and I ain't want to feel like I
was like biting, like biting your flow a swagger Jack,
even though she is a female and I'm a male, Like
it don't really matter. She's like, I ain't want to
feel like I was using your flow and not show
love and put you on the record. And at that
point that time, like I wasn't really like a real

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like I felt I could rap, but I wasn't like
a real MC where I would have called it, like
if you would have put that song out without hitting me,
I would have been like, oh she stole my floone.
This shit I wouldn't even notice because it's Nicki Mina's.
I wouldn't even thought about it. Damn she using the
same pockets that I be in. I didn't know that
much about lyrics and pockets and shit, Like I used
to just go and rap. Like everybody used to say
I wrapped off beat when I first started rapping, because

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I would just go, like, you know, I as one
by two by three by four bars, and it's a
different pocket or cadence on the beat that classified was
one to four bars. I wouldn't start on the one.
Sometimes I'll start on the two. Sometimes I would start
on the three and just rap, So people would say
I was off beat. Technically I was, but I was

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fitting a whole bar into that, like a whole sentence
into it where it's still made sense. So it's like
some people hated me for it, some people.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Love me for it. I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
So it's like I never would have noticed anything, you
feel me. But she pulled me out there and I
did the verse with her in the studio. She had
me in the studio with me, I mean with her,
and I spent like a whole day with her, like yeah,
it was just chilling and talking and shit like that,
and the studio was big as shit. So first I
started like recording part of my verse in the booth,

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and she like, all right, y'all want to do something
real quick. I'm trying to do like she told me,
she was finna do something like for her verse and
work on another song. So she like, like it's another studio,
another booth over I've never seen no shit like that.
Dam She's like, yeah, you can record on the other side.
I'm like, damn, it's the other side.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like I couldn't believe this shit like that, shit that's
really inspired me. Like, but it's a lot of money
out here. You got to go get this shit, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
And after I did it, I went home and just
turned me into like a monster. Like I mean, after
I did that video, I probably made like a half
a million dollars just grinding just like I'm going to
through shows.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I'm throwing shit.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I was young at hell, like I'm probably like sixteen, seven,
seventeen years old like that.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I wasn't no longer, no older than eight to hear.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, I made a lot of money after I did
this song, and like I really credited to her because
she just I mean, like, boy, I got a song
with Nicki Minaj, I gotta go get all the money
that's out there, and I did it.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Is that how you got a tour with Cam Cameron
Future in TII.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So that how you got on with them, because yeah,
I did it. I was on really I did.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Got a shout to Johnny shipes Man, it's my brother.
He managed me for about a year and a half
and he had put me on the Smoker's Club tour.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So that's how I really had.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Met I met Cam and I met Tiai when we
went to Atlanta for that tour. Okay, So what I'm
saying like, that's when I first met him, and it
was just like brief, like just in passing. Chopped it
up with him, told my name and shit like that.
And then when he came to Chicago next time, he
linked up with me.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, hey, yeah, I fucked with Tivy Solid.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean, I mean, uh Cam, I mean, look, I
ain't heard nothing of that. I met Cam once at
at a CU game. But every artist that you hear
talk about Cam, they say, what a straight? What a
solid do? I mean, I've never heard an artist say
anything negative about Cam, Like what you see is what
you get.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
He went out with you all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, Cam did some real ship too. When I was
on tour on the Smoke's Club tour, I was like,
I think I was probably like the first opening act
and he was headlanting.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Wow, I was first. There's like two more people after me.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
He like, he told shapes them like, Bro, you don't
see he turning up every night. You need to make
him like co headline before me. So I went from
like the first opening act to the headlanting with Cam
just off of him like seeing my show and turning
the ship up.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Like I really kind of. I bumped up. Yeah, bumped
up a couple acts. If you know you do that,
you get paid a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I try to open, but I might not close.
But like, but you brought closer to the back. Yeah, no,
for sure, He's super solid for that. We talk about
Chicago rappers. I you Kanye Key Common, Common, I think
you was trying to you were going to audition for
a barbershop.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Three right, Yeah, I was talking about that today too.
So did you had you ever met Common? Proud of that?
I did? I did.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I had Matt My first time meeting Common, I believe
we was at like a like an event, like some
non for profit stuff, right, just like introduced myself to him.
And then the second time we met meet him in
Chance had a song that was going on my my mixtape,
and Mickey, my manager, put it together like he I

(11:39):
had already new Chance, so I had put Chance on
the record, and then he reached out the Common team
put comment on the record.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Common so solid.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
He pulled up shot the video on eighty seventh and
stony like in his old hood for real, like he
was super solid. And I just always like, damn he real,
like like hit real.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So when I did.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
The audition for the barbershop for the script, I had
already had his info and they told me, like Calming
in the movie, I'm like, man, I ain't ever read
no script before, bro, Like I need some help with
this shit. It's like he told me to come to
his hotel. He was staying at the Langham Downtown. I'll
never forget. And like I'm like, damn, man, this Richie's Hell's.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Big ass, this big ass hotel room. Man, shit was
huge coming there.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
We auditioned it for the well he like helping me
with with the last he helped me read and it's
like it gave me a different kind of respect for
him just because he gave me that opportunity to do it.
And two I wasn't like I wasn't ready to be
an actor yet, Like I didn't have it in me
at that moment, and he was so like it went

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from ah, yeah, this common big bro, to no, I'm
acting and you acting like just like the look like
and it like because the script on reading, I'm having
to talk to like a gangster. You know what I'm saying.
It's like his whole everything told demeanor change, demeanor change,
whereas like he really trans locked in my head like
what the how the fuck can he do that? It

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was crazy to me, Bro, And it's like it made
me uncomfortable because I'm like, all right, Bro, snap back
real quick. Yeah, yeah, you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's like, but he helped me. I did that.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I did it, I put it in and I didn't
get to roll him. I didn't get the road because
I just I couldn't lock in into that, like I couldn't.
But I just I'm always fuck with Bro, because he
really he told me like, man, come here, going to
help me with this ship.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like, what's some of the
best advice come and give you?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Because he's in the rap game, but you know he's
kind of he does more into the TV and the
film industry now, But what are some of the device
did he passed along to you.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
That day, that exact day, told me, like, Bro, you
gotta always like like got of information, like read on stuff,
like you know what I'm saying before you make a decision,
Like read learn about it, you know what I'm saying.
That's he told me that. And it was like and
ain't had nothing to do with acting though, right he
talking about like music, you knowe what I'm saying being

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an artist, like he like read articles about like label shit,
you know what I'm saying, Like read articles about the
touring like shit like that. Like read articles about the
touring business, you know what I'm saying, Like read the
dictionary like shit like that. He like, Bro, if you

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really want to be a lyricist, And he said that
because he had put me on his album right before that,
and that shit got nominated for Grammy too. He put
me on his album and the project, the beat that
we did was produced by no Id and he was
just like, bro, like you young, but like you're a
real MC like a spinner. He like, the more knowledge

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you get is just gonna make you better as an
artist like better as a rapper, and I listened though
I ain't gonna lie, like I really like, I read
a lot of shit now like I ain't gonna lie.
I read a lot of shit, and i'd be reading
like I read the dictionary. I'll be trying to learn
new words like from that point on and my homies
not like seeing my homie manskin. He had contest to it,
like he like bro it w has be reading the

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dictionary all type of shit, like I go to Google
and just try to learn new words before I start rapping.
And I feel like that make it like it just
elevated where it's like you're not rapping about the same shit.
You knowe what I'm saying. Can't nobody really teach you that?
Butter MC, like the real MC for real, you know
what I'm saying. So yeah, shout out the big bro man.
I got a lot of love for coming.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
You did a you did a song with Kanye, but
I don't think it came out how many times Kanye.
Kanye is known for making guys redo their verse over
and over and over. Rose told the story that he
had had him do a verse. He said, what you
made hard but he said, hey, Rolls, I know you
go harder than that.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, he did that to me for sure. He made
me redo my verse about three times for sure on
that one record. I think I did two records for
Kanye that didn't come out. I pulled up on him
in the studio and I say, like, so basically like
how he record or work on certain projects, like it's
just lib mics. Had all us in here right now,

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everybody just doing caduses rapping saying shit is lab mics.
So it's so much going on that shit kind of
like got confusing, right you feel me? I'm like, I
ain't never seen it before. He freestyle and he asks
me like I hit some say faux bars eight bars,
and I'm like, all right, I tried, but I don't
even know like what we're basically rapping on. It's then
the a cappella all types of shit. So I ended

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up getting the song. He like, man, I'm gonna just
sing you it, and I want you to record your
verse to it. So I recorded my verse in like
New York cent it back told me to redo it again,
like change so much stuff, and I said that The
final verse that I sent though, was like super fire,
like hard, hard hard. I wish I could really like
call him and just get the shit, like you don't

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even gotta be on it, give me my verse, and
I'm gonna redo that shit and put it out right now,
you feel what I'm saying, Like that's one of the
hardest verses.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I feel like I spent for sure, though. Man.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
One thing I learned in this business though, like when
you do stuff and it might not work out or
come out, like, you can't really take it personal, right.
I didn't like fault. Kanye had nothing like that. I
feel like, damn, I did all this ship and he
ain't put the song out. Like I ain't really care.
I was just really grateful for the opportunity and grateful
to like be able to get in the studio with
him and just.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Get upset if they give them a track and they don't.
A lot of rappers get upset about that.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Hell yeah, rappers getting raped, beefs about.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That type of yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Niggas get mad about that shit for sure, Like when
you don't put them on the project or they pull
up on you and do shit. But it's all art,
it's all creativity, and a lot of times, for a
lot of artists, it'd be out of their hands. I
wouldn't say that for me because I've always picked my
songs for every project, you know what I'm saying, or
majority of them, and then I'm I believe in like

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constructive criticism, so my team around me might be like, no,
this is a better song this to hit this radio,
and I don't really I never really focused on like
radio records and stuff early on my career, so they
would have that input, but I would really do the
body of.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Work for real.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So but other artists who write who they team picked
the whole mixtape or album, and like they have no
input or they don't you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
So it's like that happened a lot.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know a lot of times people just don't make
the cut and artists that get mad, like they'll stuff
with you for real, you know what I'm saying. But
I never been that artist though, Like I always just
never took a person like, ah, yeah, it's cool, I
ain't really tripping. Like my first interaction with Kanye is
he talk walked up to me like, man, you gotta
like you gotta start like tripping with these niggas. You

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gotta start dissing these nigga. Stop let niggas steal your
style and steal your flow. And on my head, I'm like, damn,
I ain't even know you really listen to me enough
for like you to say, r niggas, what are my flow?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Like what my flow is?

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And then you hear somebody else's record be like, oh,
he using herbal flow, he using this shit. And that
was the first thing YA ever said to me, you
know what I'm saying. It's like that just made me
like kind of like, oh, y'all, fuck with you.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
You told me. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That was way before I did direct it's with him
or any of this ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So when it didn't.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Make it though, I was really just mad that I
don't have the verse to use because back no, I
did not need to. I'm asking you right now, Yeah,
send me the verse, and I'm gonna put that ship
out for sure, like just my verse, because it was fire.
I was talking about, like Chicago ship, just a lot
of ship that was like near and dear to me.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
You mentioned that you want to tramp on his song
through the wire you want to rap over.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
That, I wind up. I actually winded up doing it.
I did it for my project Greatest Rapper Alive. But
I was always scared of that simple though, like because
it's just like that's one of the hardest songs ever
to me in general, you know what I'm saying, And
then me being from Chicago and it being yea and
being that simple, Like some things you just don't want

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to run up on because the Internet gonna troll you.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh yeah, her, you know what's coming if you don't
do it right.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Man, he could levet that alone. Yeah, So certain ones
I don't really run up on.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
But at that time I had a lot of like
pain in me, like built w motion.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
My pops had just died.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I was talking about, Like you know, I felt like
I didn't I couldn't rap on that unless I had
something or that was like super like pain driven like
how he did what I'm saying from him getting into
that correct almost losing his life.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
He wrapped about almost losing.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
His life, you know what I'm saying, Like I came
from a perspective of me rapping about the stuff that
I'm enduring at this moment and being successful and I
ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
They the fans definitely.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well, I'm gonna put you on the spot, give me
your four best Mott Rushmore Chicago rappers.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Uh, I ain't gonna clude myself though, I'm gonna do
Sosa Juice World yay, and I'm gonna do Smirk. And
I could, I could like explain it. I didn't really

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include myself because I don't really like including myself like that,
even though I do feel like I'm on a lot
of people's Mount Rushmore, you know what I'm saying, But
I'm just talking about me personally, like and that gotta
do it like influence and what you did right for
the music and like the music industry coming out of Chicago.
So it's like, gotta go Juice real because he just

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he did something phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
That nobody really ever did for real.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
And then Sosa because just like the impact that he
had on us in Chicago in the world and so
young doing it like Sosa is still one of my
favorite artists still regardless of you know what I'm saying,
then ya, that's undeniable. And then Smirk is just what
I mind him the most about Dirt is he always

(21:55):
been like me watching from the very beginning. He always
been somebody that like, through all adversity of any trials
and tribulations, he's always been able to overcome that shit
and reinvent himself, like I've seen him reinvent himself so
many times and just become one of the biggest artists
in the world. You feel me like that's one thing

(22:16):
that I admired the most about Dirt, Like outside of
his talent, you feel what I'm saying like, that's what
really make him to go to me because where you
come from, where we come from and been through the
stuff that we've been through, is like it's easy to
give up. It's easy to be like, man, I'm finna
just keep trying like he has, switch it all the
way up and master that, and then if that don't work,
switch it up and just keep elevating. You feel me

(22:38):
like that's like a super power to me.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
You compared Juice for World Death to tupacing Big and
for your generation. Why because.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
All of the lives that he influenced while he was here.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You feel what I'm saying like he was somebody that.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
He was like a real global superstar mogul for like
the the kids that were like misunderstood and the loss
and the hopeless and stuff like that. Like you know
what I'm saying, He gave people like reason to want
to live, like people who contemplated suicide and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Those were the people that his music touched.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And when his life was cut so short, it devastated
so many people.

Speaker 2 (23:24):

Speaker 3 (23:25):
It devastated a generation of kids. You know what I'm saying,
the same way being in Tupac devastated a generation of people.
You know what I'm saying, Like I wasn't trying to
like and people kind of like took that the wrong way.
I wasn't trying to say, like he was as big
as big as Tupac, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like he done as much as big and Toopar, I'm

(23:45):
talking about the effect that they hit on a whole
generation of people. Whereas like his music forever live on,
and when people die, like poshumans music poshumans, it always
like go up, become big.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But like his is.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Ten years, twenty years, thirty years from now, like it's
still gonna be here.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That's what I meant by that, like, because the people
who loved him so much, if they was ten years
old or whatever, when they turned forty years old, those
songs gonna still touch them the exact same way that
he did because they gonna remember his legacy. Like, that's
what I meant by that.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
When you got the word that he had tragically passed
away from an actleute.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
On the overuse.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, I was in LA at the time, and I
think my girl called me. My girl called me first
and told me, and I got mad at him. I'm like, man,
what the like, what are you talking about? You're like
juice world just passed away. I'm like, man, he's tripping
and just hung up. Like when like I be in

(24:53):
disbelief when I write in that type of shit, I
don't it just it throw me for.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Because it's hard when people that you know, people that
you know noth He not supposed to die at twenties.
In the twenties and in the thirties, that's not supposed
to happen. Were supposed to be like seventy five eighty
years old. Well such and such had a heart attack
and such a you don't expect somebody.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
He he was so like he had reached like the
height of like so much success. Yeah you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
And I feel like he was just reaching his peak,
like it was his birthday. I think he died six
days after his birthday and something like that. You feel me,
It's like that was my little brother. So it really
like it messed me up mentally, you feel me. And
he died on December eighth, I believe, and were supposed
to shot a video on eleven, so I was on
my way to him, feel like for the me and

(25:37):
MI Chicago, and it's just like that shit just threw
me all the way off when I got the information
and like just him being like just he like he
was just like a good ass kid bro, like for real,
Like even the way he died, like you riches juice,
like you rich as a you get pulled over by
the police and you swallowed fifty pills?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Forty pills? How the fuck many pills he swallowed?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Because he's scared, like you was gonna overcome that shit,
the little pills. They ain't give a fuck about that shit.
Bro through that shit.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't want to hear that shit sit on the counter,
like come get it, like Bro, I got fifty million.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I ain't finna go to jail for these little dumb
ass pills right here, Like you feel me? Like it
just lets you know, like how pure he was, Like
you feel I'm saying he didn't know no better, Like
you know what I'm saying, you know the term like
God forgive fools and babies that type. Like he was
just like super naive to ship. You feel what I'm saying,
And like that's what me up the most, Cause it's like, Bro,

(26:33):
you ain't even have to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
R That shit wasn't about nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
You've told the story a few times about how you
had a substance aut problem. You mentioned, i think earlier
in the interview that you was fifteen you started taking
pills and he started, you know, smoking weed. You know
obviously you know you talked about how you graduated the
lean and so you went there twice. Yeah, how different?
How difficult is it to come to the realization, M

(27:02):
I got a damn problem man.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, when it become like your party or lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
For real, Like so you couldn't function without it.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I couldn't function without it, Like I had to drink
lane every day.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I had to pop pills.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I had to do this shit to eat food to
like I I say a lot of times like I
used to really be in rooms and I wasn't there
because mentally my brain is somewhere else. I'm high, I'm
thinking about shit. I I'm grieving, like just thinking about trauma.
Where it's like I'm just maneuvering through the room. I
might say, what's something, introduce myself, but it might be

(27:36):
somebody that I probably should have had a conversation with,
right but I couldn't do it because my mind is
somewhere else cause I'm altering my brain with these drugs.
I'm thinking I needed shit to function. But it's really
like you masking something. It's making a masking something. You
feel like I can't even be in the moment because
what's that saying. Like when you live in the past,

(27:58):
it's grief, and when we live in the future, it's anxiety.
Like I'm never in the moment, Like I'm thinking about
before I get in this room, what's gonna happen, Yeah,
it's gonna play out. You feel me instead of just
enjoying the moment, And I became that person for like
so many years.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You feel me like I.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Used to have to like take Zan's and perks and
shit just to go to sleep, like I said, like
I steal right now to this day, I haven't saw yet.
I don't sleep. I've been like that since the kids,
since fifteen years old. You feel me like, and I
used to drink a lot of it. It don't make
it no better when you got money.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right for Yeah, because you've got access to it. You
got access to it, you feel I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
So it's like I'm going through pints and pints a
lane and going through one hundred pills a month.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yea like that?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah for real was bad, like a hundred a month.
I'm popping four five pills a day. You feel what
I'm saying, like probably more than.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Nothing, did you?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Because you said you started like fifteen? Was it dealing
with the trauma that you saw? You saw your friends,
You saw your homies and they're losing their lives and
you're trying to mask that because.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know kill and I feel it. Yes, Kim's not
supposed to have to deal with that.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, Like you don't want to feel it?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Man?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
You got like I was I was freshman in high school.
Still you know what I'm saying. I started experiencing all
this stuff. I'm taking these drugs to not feel emotions. Like,
as a human being, you're supposed to feel emotions. That's
the only way you go, That's the only way you're
gonna grow, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
I was trying to not feel stuff, and this is

(29:31):
what really like when I learned the fact that like,
all right, bet, yeah you might temporarily you might be.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
High, but we wake up the next day that shit.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
At some point it get worse, Like you wake up
the next day like damn, like I was tripping.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
You might get into a situation it's like all right,
I'm goin to get I don't want to think about it.
Right when you wake up sober, it's still there, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
That situation that you tried to run from, Yeah, it's
right there.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
It's still there. You know what I'm saying. I was
just like I didn't I didn't say I was going
to go to rehab. You feel I'm saying people close
to me, like my closest you know what I'm saying,
People that you trusted the most. They like, bro, you
just gotta go like you know, I had just had
a son. I just had my first son, and they like, bro,
you just gotta go to rehab. Like you know, you're

(30:17):
getting too high, Like you just you lashing out, you angry.
You feel what I'm saying, like you ain't listening to
nobody like that should make you angry as fun, it
make you real angry, like and I just I felt
like I was losing myself because at the time when
I first started, I was a regular dude, Like you
feel me, like I was becoming somebody. But now it's

(30:39):
like you're twenty two years old, you got a son,
You're a superstar, Like you can't just be out here
like like that. You feel me because at the end
of the day, when you think is normal, it's not
people judging you, people seeing you outside like he's high
all the time. It's like, you know, he's why would
I want to give you some money? Like why would
I want to count on you? Can I count on you?

(31:01):
Are you reliable? And I was just like, all right,
I'm gonna try.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I'm gonna do it. But I went, I got sober.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
It was good and probably like a year a year
and a half later, one of my closest friends died
and I went right back. I just started back getting
hat like you know, that was like my escape, the.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Thing you right to.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, damn man, I'm stretched out,
I don't want to be around. It's a bit sad, crying.
I'm finna just get hats on, feel it, you know.
And I started back getting hailgh for about probably another year,
a year and a half, and I went again. Like
both times when I had to go to rehab, I
spent like thirty thousand or some shit to go. It
was like a seven eight day process. You get out,

(31:41):
they flush all of everything out your system. You on IVY,
so you don't got to go through the withdrawals. That's
another thing, like when you drink and lean and popping PILs.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
And perks and all that shit draws.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
It's worse than anything in the world. You don't even
want to feel it, you knowe what I'm saying. So
it's like that's another thing that people run from, like
you can't like regardless, you're gonna it's gonna come.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
What comes. What happened in the watch come out in
the rest. You know what I'm saying. Every time you
feel me.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
So it's like you might run from the withdrawals and
you might keep on doing this ship for have a
long and then it's gonna catch up to you when
you get older because your.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Body can't take that shit. So it's like it's best
to just if.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Anybody when they put you up, when they put you,
when they put you behind that concrete wall.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, that's the worst because they are doing no drugs
to get that happened with.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I've seen that though, Like I've seen that with my
own eyes, like getting the rest in the shit and
you was seeing like dope fiends and ship on the
floor shaking and using the bathroom on itself and all
that ship, Like that ship is real for real.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You speak very very highly of therapy. You say we
should do it. Trust me, that's someone that has gone
through therapy. You say someone is going through therapy. You
you need to do that. Uh, I don't know how
well you know. He said caught some criticism that he
would feel less than a man if his girl with

(33:06):
the therapist.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Girl was a therapy. I think what he like.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I can't really say what Slim meant by that, like
that's my brother. But I feel like Slam want of
them people like he a critical thinking too, yeah, and
he wanted people that like like to dig deep into
conversation like he feel like I think what he meant
by that is like he feels like his girl should
be able to trust.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And confide in him so much where it's like, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
And I don't know Slam ever tried therapy before, you
feel me, so he probably might not even understand what
it might do for a woman female. It's certain things
that a woman is just not gonna talk to a
man about, you feel I'm saying, like, no matter how
much y'all trust each other, you.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Know, because sometimes you won't. You won't someone that doesn't
have a dog in the fight exactly talking you talking
Slam got a dog in the fight, yeah, yeah, and
someone that's win the therapist and as my therapist. And
I'll never forget one of the greatest things you ever
told me, herble, she said, She said, I mean she
sent across from me just like you. My girlfriend was

(34:05):
sitting right there. She said, mister Sharp, are you arguing
to be right? Are you arguing for right?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
What did that do though like what I like?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
She said, because at the end, right it is there
are you arguing to be right or you arguing for right?
I want to be right? This is how it was.
This is how it is, hey arguing for no right,
I want to be right.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, once I.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Understood, it ain't me versus you, it's us versus the problem.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's right versus wrong. That absolutely, she.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Said, Shannon, you you you communicating? You speaking, she said,
your girlfriend is speaking manner in Chinese. You speaking Spanish. Said,
either you learned each other's language or you're never going
to be able to communicate.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's something I heard.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Be right, you're arguing for right now.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Ninety nine point nine us in the world argue to
be right, to be right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
And so when she explained it like that, and I
was one of those guys you know, grew up in
the South.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Man, we don't we don't have no emotions, and we
don't go talk to nobody. Problem.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
You could talk to me, we could work it out.
But once she's like, but no, you got the best
of interest in this. Somebody needs to hear the problem
that doesn't get the benefit from it.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
And so when you share.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
When your girl or your wife or whomever shared their
problem with someone, they just listening. Okay, somebody come in
and share that problem. They're just listening because me, I'm
on say, and that's why you have to keep family out,
because family they're gonna side with her boat.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
You better side with me. Okay, i'ma turned the water off.
I say it absolutely, But.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Being all honesty, my sister is the only person that
I've ever met that I can tell I would tell
us things, and you would.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tell me I was wrong, and you gotta have people
like that. She would tell me, and I was like,
I'm like, like I'm you know, I'm I'm She's like, Sha, you're.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Wrong, and it it takes me to a place and
it helps me understand. But therapy, it took me a
while to understand because I was the exact same way.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
But when that.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Lady told me she had enough, she said, mister Sharper,
you're arguing for it right or you're arguing to be right.
And she said about the communications mannery Chinese and Spanish.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I was like, man, communication is everything, Definitely it.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Is, and it's just it's just and I'm not a
great communicator. I'll be the first of men. I'm a
withdraw so I'm just I just need space. I just
I don't want to talk anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I'm definitely the same way.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I just know what you're talking. I try to.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Avoid a lot of communication and confrontation. You right, I
don't want to take it all the way there.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I'm just gonna go ahead and give it to you. Right,
I was wrong? No, you just saying that. You don't
say what you want. See if I eMate my voice,
you go to why you doing that? I just said
you was right, I was wrong, but you don't mean it.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah. No, I'm definitely the same way.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
But I feel like when you have somebody like you said,
like you just gained a perfect like analysis. It's like
when you don't have a dog in a fight. Yes,
you need to have somebody that really could be able
to say right is right, wrong is wrong? What I'm saying.
And that's what therapy does for you. And I was
never like the type of person that felt comfortable opening

(37:33):
up anyway, because, for one, I don't want nobody to
judge me too.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't really want to feel my business exactly. I
don't want you my business.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I don't want to feel like certain emotions where it's
just like I don't want to relive a situation you
feel me like if I feel like I've you never
really moved past it. You just ball it up and
put it in the back pocket and you try to
run from reliving that situation. But sometimes you have to
in order to really like grow and being able to

(38:03):
deal with certain people because as humans, we have triggers.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
You know, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You don't know what trigger you you know what I'm saying.
So it's like you got to get over certain situations
because you might treat somebody who really good for you
are doing right value because you got a certain trigger
for something that you didn't live ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
You got to heal and they don't even know about
this situation, so they.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Wondering why you're so mean to me or why you
doing this or why you snap so quick when we
talk about this subject, and you never talked about that trigger.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
So like I feel like that's what like therapy is doing.
Like help therapy will help you from bleeding on someone.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
That didn't even cut you exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Because no matter where we go, how big we Yeah,
when you in a relationship, you dealing with that person's trauma,
be a childhood, be an adolescent, be it. At some
point you're gonna have to dress back whatever it is,
and you have an issue and you're gonna have to

(39:04):
dress that trauma. Man, if you don't get in the
dress the person that you care about the most or
that's with you at that point in.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Time, that's for gonna feel it for sure.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
It's like I didn't really I ain't understand that early
on though, Like I used to try to be so
good at going outside and smiling, acting like I'm okay,
and like taking a masking the pain and just you
know what I'm saying, like dealing with people because I
got to be an artist. I gotta take pictures, I
gotta do shows. Then when I come in the house,
I'm releasing all that anger and it's just like it's

(39:33):
so I'm not being the right person that I should
be to my girl, to my mom yep, to my kids,
the people who closest to me, because I feel like
I'm comfortable here and it's like I'm angry, I'm pouting
around and the like what did I do?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
You take it on on people? That's closer to you
that you always.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Do that, and I had to really like learn to
stop doing that, Like I ain't gonna let my girl.
Pops told me some of the really shit I ever
heard in my life. He like, Bro, I know you
deal with a lot of shit, but just remember whatever
you going, look at that doormat and leave that shit outside. Bro,
Like he told me that, and I so he told
me that probably four years ago. And I really think

(40:11):
like that, Like if I go in the house and
I'm angry, I got an attitude like I try to
like take some time to like breathe because they don't
got nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, you knowe what I'm saying, Like we take it
out on the people that we sometimes the closest chores
that we love the moth.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, because he told me that, He like, Bro, I
know you, like I know you going through shit like
I know. And it had to be from conversations he
hadn't with her, you feel I'm saying, He like, bro,
just leave it at the front door, like you feel me,
Like if something happened when it's like all right, bet
she caused the problem or you know, like address it,
but like you can't go in there on defense mode,
whereas it's like you don't want to have certain conversations

(40:44):
or you upset because you didn't deal with this, this, this,
and this like at the door and lean back out,
pick it up and address the world with that energy
if you have to leave it at the door at
your house.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
You've also worked with a little Dirk. How difficult to
see him going through the stitua that he's going through
right now.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
That shit is is painful for sure, because I feel
like the whole situation with Dirk is like that shouldn't
happen to anybody in my opinion, like in this field
because you moving fast, you don't know like who the
trust or who doing Yeah, you can't be accountable for
other people, you know what I'm saying. Like you feel

(41:21):
me like and not even to speak on this situation
because it's still he going through it. But it's like
you can't be accountable for situation or what other people
have done or whatever. And you and a lot of
times when you get that big, people work over time
to try to pull you down and try to pull
you off of.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
That mountain top.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
You feel what I'm saying, And I feel like that's
what happened to smirk. You know what I'm saying is
like me still like I'm not even gonna be like
for real, for like I know I feel it, like
I feel it. I know he coming from under that shit,
Like I know for a fact that's not the end
of his story. Like he coming from under that shit.
You knowe what I'm saying. It's like a lot of
times you kind of it's I hate to say, but

(42:03):
like coming from where you come from, certain times, God
just like throw situations at you so you could be
able to see the plan field for what it's for,
like see who for you, who not for you? See
the people that's counting you out, and come back ten
times stronger. Like sometimes that shit just make you a
different type of animal, type of beasts were you were
just like hearing like damn anybody counting me out? You

(42:23):
think it's over for me, huh? And then when you
come out, it's just like you better than you ever been.
Like you fee what I'm saying, Like I know for
a fact that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Listen, my Grandma, you say, boy, life of life will
give you a lesson until it teach you what you
need to know now to keep giving it to you.
Now you're gonna you're gonna hate yeah, one way a number. Yeah,
it's gonna learn. You don't learn this lesson that's being
taught and you but you're right. When you're around people,
you don't know any And the thing is the hardest

(42:53):
thing is to trust. And sometimes you trust the wrong people.
You put your trust in the wrong person, and it's
just ain't no coming back from let me ask you, yes, purchases.
You got some money that you say you get that
bread to have a bill, you gotta have a bell
at sixty You're like, Okay, what you do when you
first got your bread?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
What you do? My first thing I did was I
bought my mama house.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I moved my mama out, uh Chicago, far away, and
like I started, like I ain't gonna lie just doing
dumb shit, buying cars, bad Jerry, like going to the
hood looking out fair body you feel I'm saying like
shit like that. Like when I was young, seventeen, like
I'm I was still outside on my block like all

(43:34):
the time, you feel me.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And you got bread like that and you're still outside.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, still outside riding around through the neighborhood like I didn't.
I didn't really like lock in and fully focus on
my craft until I became like twenty two, twenty three
years old, like for real, real, I was still in
the hood and going through all types of silly ass shit.

(44:00):
You feel me like you.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Look back and how I was, like man, I squann
some man, I squanned some damn good money on some polish.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, and it's like I feel like I wasted a
lot of time where I really should have been like
getting better. Like I feel like I feel like I
would have twenty times more than I have now if
I had that mentality early on, because I would get
up and I wouldn't go to the studio, you know
what I'm saying, Like I wouldn't go to the studio.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I would go outside.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I'd go shopping, go by clothes, go get high, right
around my homies, nimb just doing shit like that, and
go to the studio. When somebody called me to go
to the studio. It wasn't my mand set, Like I
wouldn't wake up like I want to go to the studio.
It would have to be for my manager and somebody
would like, yeah, we got a studio book. I need
you to do this, I need you to do that.
Like my mandset was never on music. It was just

(44:45):
on being in the streets. I woke up and wanted
to be in the streets like every day. So the
purchases are limitless, like I was bad all the type
of like this car. I used to back cars and
I was just so young and fried. I had money,
like I could have built my credit up. I never
wanted to put a car on my name, like I
used to just tell people like, yeah, go get me

(45:07):
a car any way. You can't, like I'll just pay
you and I lose the car impounded and never go
get it back, go git another car, like what? Because
I was so fried, I'm like, I don't want to
call my name ship anything happened, it's my fucker.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Don't need to be in my name. When you building
credit like that, though I didn't know nothing about no credit,
ain't nobody tell me.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Like I'm glad when talked abou credit, because I credit
would tell like I have a four hundred credit without it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
So I happen to tell you when you started getting
the money your credit was like yeah, But when I
got some of the ship quick.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Now be your g When I got, when I got,
when I when I I was in the league.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Man, I couldn't even have to get a call signer
to get a car.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Really yeah, but that's because we don't get taught about
credit though. Ain't nobody tease nobody about credit. So it's
like I am my mom and them like they knew
about it, but I kind of like shut them out.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
You feel like my mom's and my pops.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
This is what I really regret though, Like when it
come to family, I should have let my family in
more because they had my best interest, and I was
like shutting them out because I felt like, man, y'all
don't know what y'all talk about.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Y'all ain't never had no money, like you know what
I'm saying, like, and I really should have listened.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
My pops was trying to tell me to like build
your credit, go through this back building like I was.
I ran through like six cars in one year, like
bad Porsche crash and do something bad beings by this
bay Jag like ship like that.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Just damn stupid. You got kids? Now, what type of
day are you trying to be?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
What?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
What type of what type of example, are you trying
to set for your kids?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
For real? For real? I want to like just being
a hunter, like being honest.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I just want to be a hundred with my kids.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I just want to be honest and let them know,
like the harsh realities of like the world, the stuff
that I've been through to get to.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Where I am. You feel what I'm saying, And.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Especially with having a daughter, I want to let her
know like nigaz ain't shit, Like you know what I'm saying,
Nigaz ain't shit. You feel what I'm saying, Like I
was this kind of man. Baby, you feel what I'm saying.
Like you're gonna deal with this, like you're beautiful, You're
gonna deal with this. You just understand. But make your
own decisions as a woman, Yeah, what you want to do,
but know right from wrong, know what's right, know what

(47:35):
a man's intentions is regardless, and then you make your
decision based off of that. Like, especially for my daughter
and for my sons, I want them to And I
think a lot of people who like got money and
made it out and have kids that's like born out
of poverty think like this, Like I want my kids

(47:56):
to know how I feel to work hard and earn something,
yeah something, Just know how it feels to work hard
and earn. And with my oldest son, I see it
like he's very spoiled and privileged. So when I try
to like be stern and discipline him, I feel like
a conversation to go further than a whooping, Like I

(48:18):
can't really hit him all the time when he's doing wrong, right,
I gotta talk to him and tell him like, this
is what you did, this is what I feel like
you should have done, this is what happens if you keep.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
On going down this road. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
And he only seven years old, So I gotta talk
to him and have them kind of conversations like I
want to be that dad where you like you could
trust me, you feel me like and my father was
and I get that from my father, but I didn't.
I was naive while I felt like I shouldn't talk
to him. And I could have talked to my dad
about anything I was going through and he wouldn't have

(48:54):
judged me. He would have helped me, Like I was
afraid because for a long time I feared my dad,
you know, like it's I mean you're supposed to feel
your parents, you know, but you should like respect them
and feel comfortable enough for you control to him, Like
I would lie to him before I tell him the
truth because I was afraid of what he might think
or what he might do. I don't want my kids

(49:14):
to feel like they got a lot of me. I
want my kids to feel like they could tell me
the truth and I might be highly disappointed, you know
what I'm saying, But you got to tell me the truth.
And I didn't learn that about my dad until I
became an adulte. When I became an adulte, me and
my dad got real close, like we became best friends.
But for years I didn't communicate with him about certain
shit and he was right there like he was with

(49:35):
my mom in the house with me, and I wouldn't
tell him certain shit because it's like I feared him
until I didn't, you know what I'm saying. So it's
like got to a point where it's like, and I
ain't scared you, No, I don't got to tell you shit,
Like I don't want my kids to.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Be like that with me.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Why was it important for you to wait until you
became financially stable before.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
You had kids.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, that was that was mandatory for me. I had to,
Like I just felt like the stuff that I seen,
like with my family and people around, like I wanted
to be able to provide for my kids and be
able to like do it comfortably.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I couldn't. I couldn't see myself having a baby. And
I'm just still on knucklehead shit.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You know what I'm saying, Can you or you a
baby yourself baby? Yeah? Exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
So it's like I didn't I knew, like you know
how you get that gut feeling and intuition, like all.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Right, it's cool, I could have a kid.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Like you get to a point where like you get
enough successful money, Like I could have a kid because
I want to have a kid. I don't even gotta
have to be with the mama if I don't want to.
You feel what I'm saying, Like that was kind of
like my mentality when I was growing up, Like you know,
like I'm like, hell no, I ain't. I ain't having
no kid right now because I don't want to deal
with like no baby mama shit and not having a control.

(50:56):
Where's like you know, when women get upset, they do
spiteful stuff, especially when money evolved corrept saying, So, it's like,
no matter what, I wanted to always be in a
position where even if we not cool or on the
best of terms or whatever, I could provide for you,
because you the mother and my child to provide for
my kid. Like I understood that because I've seen it
so many times. I've seen my aunties crashing out and

(51:19):
doing the worst of the worst because you mad about
the smallest thing.

Speaker 2 (51:22):

Speaker 3 (51:23):
That really could just be a conversation, and men the
most frustrated when we broke.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, So it's like you.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Don't want to talk, you don't want to have conversations,
you don't want to do this, and you just be
like like you might neglect your kid, you might neglect
your baby mama, or whatever the case, just because you're like,
I need to go get some money. I don't even
want to talk to you. So you miss it so much.
It's like I never wanted to be that guy.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Your son's on social media. Yeah, and he went viral
because he said stop calling me.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
A yi in calling me a yi yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
And I mean that had made me proud.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah, n that made me super proud man. It's like
my kid. He's he's really smart. Your sign is very
very smart. He's very articulate like he and I don't
even know what made him say that, you know what
I'm saying. It's like because he look up to me,
don't get me wrong, Like he look up to me,
and he like read stuff like he know like I'm

(52:20):
coming from the streets.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I've been through certain stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
And it's like he just was like, I don't want
to be classified as no yn.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You know, does he ask you about does he ask
you about your upbringing? Does he ask you a little
bit about what?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, you do?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Like he asked me about like certain stuff like what
I did to ever be arrested, right and if like
like asked me about like my homies who passed away.
You know what I'm saying, It like that, like what happened,
what happened when you got shot? Because it's all public record,
he could see it the internet.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Now it's different, So what you got to protects different
now for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Like you got to protect your key from that, and
you gotta be so in front of it where it's
like you don't make split decisions because it's gonna be
there forever, right, you knowee what I'm saying. So, yeah,
he asked me certain stuff and I gotta tell him
the truth.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
You'd go dig and read and find out.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
And I tell like, I had a conversation with him
not too long, and I'm like, son, the streets is
like it's bad like you you live a great life.
Like you know what I'm saying. Your dad is a millionaire,
your mom a millionaire. You feel I'm saying, like you don't.
You don't have to make the choices, make the choices
that I made. You feel what I'm saying. Because he's
still like he might go around like family members, my

(53:40):
cousins on my mom on I'm sad, like.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
They still in the churches a little bit. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I got to remind him, like you're not that kid something.
When you want to live that lifestyle, it's only two
things that come from it, death on jail, you know
what I'm saying, Like literally, and you have the opportunity
to be everything you want to be anything you want
to be, Like you're so smart, you know what I'm saying,
Like you don't have to like because the internet, like
he want to be around his cousins them, and they

(54:06):
listen to like King Von and look your music.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
But y'all are not.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That it's okay to listen to the music and enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You can enjoy music. Your dad a rap.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Ye's cool, yes, but don't fall so deep into it
where you want to like idolize it and be that yes,
and be that you know. So I had to have
that conversation with him, and his mom even called me, like,
I don't know what's wrong with him when he think
he like.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Tough, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
You know, She's like, you ain't tough, but was living
in a penthouse up here, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like you ain't never had a tough day in your life. So,
like I had to have these conversations with him, you know,
and then it's like my son is a regular kid,
but he is celebrity. So everybody like boost them up
and let him get away with it, Like yeah, your sign,
it's cute to them, you know what I'm saying. It's

(54:52):
like it's cool when you seven, but then when you
get seventeen, problem you think it's you know what I'm saying.
So I had those common stations with him where he
know for sure like, nah, that's not what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Like coparative, you make it work. I mean, thank god,
how you able to do that for me? Man, I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
It's like I always just with women, you gotta be
able to forgive, Like you know what I'm saying. You
gotta be able to forgive, and you gotta be able
to hold yourself accountable to when you do wrong, for sure, exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
So it's like, but that's how we operate. That's not
how I want to talk about what you did. Don't
worry about what I did. We're talking about that later.
We could be twenty other.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, for sure. So like with me, I just I promise. Bro.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I always like feel like, man, it's gonna be all right,
like should have get greater later, Like whenever I'm going
through shit with my girl, even at home or always
going through shild my baby mama. Yeah, I just always
was able to like forgive, and sometimes my girls get
mad at me, like you just forgive her all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I'm like, no matter what she doings.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Like, I don't really take it personal because it's like
I know, for a fact, I'm not going like, no,
I'm not gonna say I don't take it personal.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I took a lot of shit personal when you're young
and you and you're young, so.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, like I know, for the love of my son,
I can't hate you. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I feel like that'll make me a bad dad. It's
certain people who really like start hating they babe mama.
So now it kind of like they dictate how you
parents your child. Correct, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I never wanted to be that guy.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And guess what that situation want to ever change? Always
be the mother. So whether you see he's.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Six months, he's six, sixteen thirty six, god she Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
And I never wanted my son to grow up and
be like to see y'all greet in my mama bad
you feel me like? So that was always something that
like I just was like, man, I got the short
end of the stick, A law a lot, a lot,
just just trying to be like man, I just I
just want this ship to work somehow, you know what
I'm saying, Because it's like you, my woman, I love you.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You feel what I'm saying this My son, mom, you
feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I'm gonna have love for them regardless, you know, because
it's my son. Mom, and I love my son unconditionally
and I have to no matter what. Like even if
I'm upset my son.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
He's smart as ship.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I could be mad. Me and Mama probably was arguing
and some ship. And then it's like when I pick
him up, I don't want to like.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Energy around.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I'm gonna be like, hey, what's up, get my son
getting the car? You feel what I'm saying, like ship
like that. So it's like I always was able to
just like.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
A fan on the road, a fan called a disagreement.
You seeing what's happened with one of your kids in
the car?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, it's just my yeah, yeah, no, you know, it's
so crazy. It was recently like right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. So this situation, me and her wasn't arguing.
She was frustrated because actually me and my security him
right there, I was.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Arguing with this guy, right, me and him.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
So it was like a situation when he was in
the club and I had like words with a security
guard and just telling him like man, move around, get
away from me. And I think he did something that
offended my girl, like you know, and I was like
telling him, like you feel what I'm saying, telling him
like he did something that offended her, and he was
like kind of like my security was just like all right, cool,

(58:24):
well I know him, Like he was like, I'm trying
to tell her to explain this story, like explaining that
he was like talking back to me. So me and him,
just me and my we like this like brothers. So
it's like we had those heated arguments. And when I'm
when I'm on ten, I'm on ten, I can't really like.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I'm already on ten.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
So my window was down and Tyana kept telling me
like let your window now, I mean, let your window up.
You argue, somebody's gonna catch you. Somebody's like she know
like she don't she don't play that shit. She don't
want to go viral. She don't want no type of
nothing like you knowe what I'm saying. She telling me like,
let your end know up, somebody's going to record you
arguing because it's fans walking out. I'm not listening to her.

(59:04):
I didn't care. Man, I'm already we already, we already
heed it. I'm like, man, with all that. So when
the girl walked up, she just catched me arguing. But
she catched Tyina like with an attitude to like telling
me like let your window up on steady telling you
let your window up? And she see the girl recording,
So they thought I was arguing with her, but I
never was arguing her.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I was arguing with security women.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Cardi B said, it's more lap do you see a
woman to go after a man in a relationship as
opposed to a man going after a woman in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
So, like, I don't really get what she meant by.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
That, she said, Women like I say, if a guy's
in a relationship, it's more likely that a woman would
approach a man knowing he's in a relationship, as opposed
to a man knowing a woman is in a relationship
would approach her.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I believe you agree that. Yeah, I agree with that.
I think I do too. I agree with her. Hey
you'll do you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
How you doing? I got a man? What you tell
me you got a man?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I'm good? Yeah, you can't have no friends? Yeah, none
of that. You told me you got a man. I'm
cool with tackling. That's cool because I already know how
men are men. Men might not even like that woman. Yeah,
but let another man show interest in exactly. Now you
got a problem. I don't want no problem, absolutely because

(01:00:25):
I'm just going about what she said. She said she
didn't have nobody, she got somebody. Yeah, well let me
take that back. She might not have him, but he
got her, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It's still a problem for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
And then it's like, well, women, I ain't understand it
early on, you know, because I was I was raised
by women for real. Yeah, so I understand that. I
understand like women, Like I heard some real shit when
I was young. Like women emotions are like like oceans.
Like men say what they mean, women say what they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Feel correct, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
So it's like when you when you're dealing with a woman,
especially if you in love with her, you love your
woman and you're doing right by her, women are trying
to really come between it, you know what I'm saying,
and really try to like, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Want what the next woman got, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Like I feel like men don't really do that, Like
men don't really be like, oh yeah I want this
because so and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So got it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
They just they're like, that's not really in our nature,
you feel me, So I definitely agree with her when
she say that for sure, and then you're thinking about it,
certain men would not like if you got sense, common
sense like me and you guys like you know that
certain men gonna go to the furthest extent about a woman.
Like some of the biggest empires, some of the biggest
world the wars in the world started over a woman,

(01:01:40):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
So it's like, if you're not really willing to risk
your life or risk your freedom and do certain shit
behind trying to pursue a woman, and you know that
that's probably what come with it. It's like, nine times
out of ten, most men just gonna wash their hands
when they see it getting to a certain extent, you
feel what I'm saying. So women not like that though,

(01:02:03):
When women feel that friction from a woman and they
going back, they just keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's the opposite, right,
I saw I saw this thing the other day. Let
me know what you think. They said, Like, men would
probably if a woman, if his girl, significant other, whatever
the case, may be cheated on him. If if friends
didn't know homeboys didn't find out, he would probably take

(01:02:26):
her back, but it's when the homies and the friends
find out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, he can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, it's like nah, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
That's why you keep your stuff off the internet. That's
why you keep people out of your business. You can
work a lot of things out just you and her,
for sure, but the moment, because if you date publicly,
you gotta break up publicly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
If everybody's in your business, then they know you date
such and such.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
When you break up, everybody gonna be in your business
and know why you broke up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Nah, definitely, And like I feel like I definitely feel
like that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It's like when if.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
You love somebody enough you can see past a lot
of ship, you can work past it. You fee what
I'm saying. But then when you got a lot of
people in your eat home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Boy, you know, I know you ain't gonna put over
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I know. I've been knowing man, I know you forty years.
That's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
That's tough for sure, because it's like as a as
a man, like you know, we possessive as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah that's man. Yeah know what I'm saying. This is man,
So like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Even if your girl might have stepped out on you
or did certain ship, it's like you really deep down
don't want to see her with nobody else. You feel
me like you don't want to see her with nobody
else but your pride of body let you like, all right, bey,
you lose her and you might really live your whole
life for great Like, yeah, it's the one I let
get away, you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't

(01:04:03):
seen that shit happen a lot of times, like with
my uncles, like people and my family, I didn't see
it happen a lot, you feel I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
And I think my mom and dad like lasted and
been and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Getther thirty forty years because no matter what, my daddy
was not letting my mama leave. I didn't seen my
mama tried to leave my daddy a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Of times, feeling she he wouldn't let they took that
death do a part.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
You want to let it go, like I know for
a fact my mom would have tried to leave my
daddy at least three full time. Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Can men being polatonic relationship with with me? Can you
have a best friend? That's what that's a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I believe, So I really believe you can for sure.
It's just like certain men, like if you attracted to
a woman, that's another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I think. That's what. Yeah, that's that's the problem. That's
what make it frustrated.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
You can't be attracted to your best friend because y'all
know too much about each other. One of y'all gonnadamn
to try each other at some point, you know what
I'm saying. But I definitely do feel like that though,
Like you know, like I've seen it for sure, like
I've never I think just because I was in the streets.
I never like befriended a woman before because I just
know like women's emotions. Like I just feel like I

(01:05:14):
couldn't never really trust a woman unless I'm in an
intimate relationship with them. I couldn't trust a woman to
just be my friend and know shit about me. The
only person that I open up to is my one woman.
So are you coming up on thirty?

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
They shape something else, man, I need something the bottle
it's shade smooth man. Hey, y'all smooth as a motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
So marriage in the future, I mean you, I mean
you want more kids, you want a wife.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
That's That's where I'm at with life, like that's my
next step. I'm finna get married, Like for real, I'm
about to marry my woman.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I think I was you go do that house? Yeah, yeah, hell,
I'm about to marry. And that was really just like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Just that elevation and like I was always that, I'm
a critical thinker, Yeah, steps ahead. I didn't want to
get married. I could afford a ring that it was
three hundred thousand away and that's a million like ship
like that. I was always on that type of time.
I always envision myself to have that. You feel me,
It's like I kind of cut my relationship short because

(01:06:20):
she didn't want She didn't even want that like need
all that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
That's what I was on, Like, right, that's what you wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Let me go get the money, do this and do
that and get in the comfort through space where it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
All right, I could do it, you know, big waiting
to go to press other people, you and your girl.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
And I wanted to impress others, but it was still
like for her tuto, because when a woman feel like
it's like you don't you don't get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
To experience that again. You know what I'm saying, Like
you only.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Get one life, you only get one real dream wed
and then ship like that. You feel what I'm saying,
But like why I am right now though, like I'm
I definitely I can't wait to marry my girl.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
So that's soon. We talked. We talked about a year,
two years, Yeah for sure. Yeah, ready to like you
get on one knee right now, ready to go home?
Drill Rap? Are you shocked at New York and you
can't take it over? Drill Rerap? Honestly, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I'm gonna be honest really because like I feel like
Chicago kind of lost touch with Drill, like just the
and what I mean by that is like the production,
the sound, you know, like the up tempo ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
In Chicago, Drill it always was about like street ship.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You're talking about gangster ship, but I think Chicago just
got two gangsters. They just it ain't even like appealing
like where Drill came out, that you could play that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
It had turned the whole club up, like turn everything up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And when New York and the ukn't learn the master
that they massive and started making hits from it. I
haven't heard a real drill hit from Chicago that's undeniable
and so long. Like yeah, the the young niggas they
go up, they talk about street shit and shit. But
it's like, I feel like we lost that touch of
drill in New York and the UK, especially the UK

(01:08:15):
still got it for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Like it's kind of dying out a little.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Bit in New York, but in the UK one hundred percent,
like they got it when it comes to the drill wave.
You knowe what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna get it
to wat Tell one as one of the pioneers of
you know what I'm saying, drill rap, And I think
that's only because you have to. No matter what you're
rapping about, that shit gotta be catchy. Bro, they stay,
they still making undeniable hits on the drill shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
You know what I'm saying. It's like I'm a fan
of it. I'll listen to it myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
All right, We're gonna get you out of him this one.
Tell us about the album and what made you choose
the photo that you chose.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I just wanted to like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Go back and like remind the world of who I
am like what it took to get here, like where
I come from.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
You know what I'm saying, Because I could really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Be dead on jail right now, you know, and I've
done so much. And I had a conversation with my manager,
what make you told me? Like, Bro, you don't really
understand like how much legendary shit like you done, really did,
Like you really like somebody that's influenced, that impacted so

(01:09:28):
many lives and done so much, and you got so
much to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, like you have, you still have. Your trajectory is
so high.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
After you come a long way, long way, you got
a long way to go, Like it's still looking good
for you, you know what I'm saying. And when he
said that, I just started like going back looking at
my old videos, like looking at old interviews and like
googling like my old pictures when I was a kid,
and I came across those mugshots and I'm like, I'm

(01:10:00):
gonna make this my album cover, you know what I'm saying,
Like I wanted to like paint that picture and tell
a story like I've been doing it at a high
level kind of since I was a teenager. But at
that time, I was really like I was up against
a lot like that kid on that mugshot could not
be here right now. You feel what I'm saying. And

(01:10:21):
I wanted to like people to see the pain in
my eyes, Like when I put the first announcement out
my first mugshot, I was like eleven years old. Wow,
I couldn't believe it, Like I seen that picture, like
I was a key. I looked like yo son going
to gym. I couldn't picture me seeing my son with
a mugshot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
It's like that, just let you know what we was
up against early on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
It could have went totally left, but I did it right,
like I went the right way. You feel what I'm saying.
And that's what I wanted to like show the world
because I'm always don't get me wrong. I got my
core fan base to people who love and support me,
but I'm trying to tell that story to the people
who never heard me ever before, Like you never heard
my name. So that's what I wanted to like, you know,

(01:11:04):
because you might hear g herboing, all you can probably
know is went legit right. You don't know nothing about
walking the face O man. You don't know nothing about
that kid that was fifteen, sixteen years old on the block,
freestyling and made it from there to here. You feel
me so late, That's why I chose that picture for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Go cop the album Little Herb here you Gerbo.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back
the price, Want slice got the brother gap all my life.
Be grinding all my life, all my life, grinding all
my life, sacrifice, hustle, bat the price, one slice got
the brothers swap all my life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I been grinding all my life.

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