Club Shay Shay - G Herbo Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:03):
You read you that thing. Now you see you set up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Get on one knee right now, ready to go home.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, prison,
one slice, got the brother all my life. I be
grinding all my life, all my life, and grinning all
my life. Sacrifice, hustle, bat Bryson, one slice, God, the
Brothers all my life. I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, welcome to another episode of Club sha Shay. I
am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriud of
Club Shashay, stopping by for conversation on the drink today
is an under novel and influential talent. One of the
most popular artists from the Windy City. He's this generation's
premier voice for the voiceless, a top tier MC, a
platinum selling rapper, a songwriter with vivid storytelling ability, a

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respected community leader and philanthropist, A pioneer for the mental
help in the hip hop. He's admired as one of
the most beloved family members in rap in Loving father
a k A little Herb here you g Herb. I
appreciate you, man, Man, you got a birthday coming up.
I got an album coming up. Man, Let's let's let's
toast up. It's old shade. See what you think about

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this here.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait to get some of this.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Would your honest opinion now? Because I give you opinion smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I need a bottle, say no more. I need a bottle,
say no more?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
This album Little Herd? Who's Little Herd?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Little Herb is a kid from the East Side of Chicago,
one of the most poverty struck in dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago,
who just had a dream man, a dream of you know,
rapping and making it out, but was knee deep in
the midst of the fire, like growing up over there

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and starting to do music at fifteen, sixteen years old,
and they picking up and making a name for myself
and still being in the streets and being shot at
sixteen and seeing a lot of my homies passed away.
Like Little Herd was just a kid with a dream man,
you know what I'm saying. Fast forward me being g
Herbo is like I had to kind of like tap

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back into my old self and find the hunger for real.
So that's why I really like I'm on a little
herd wave right now.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
What's some of your fondest memories, your childhood memories. What's
some of your fondest memories of you growing up on
the East Side of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Going to play basketball at Echosas Park, playing basketball at
south Shore Park, playing basketball at Woodhall Park. Where it's
like I'm from. I grew up all over the East Side,
you know what I'm saying. Like, it's not a lot
of people that could really say they had memories more
so in other areas other than they blocked a little

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two block radius they grew up on.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's all you could see. You couldn't see outside of
anything up there.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
For sure, But the East Side is pretty big, and
I got memories like all over because I got my aunts,
like lived in different parts of the neighborhood. I actually
went to school and a neighborhood that wasn't where I
lived at, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
I had friends over there, and I had friends in
my neighborhood where I lived. So my fondest memories of
just being able to walk twelve blocks to go play basketball.

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You feel I'm saying, like, I definitely look back and think,
and a lot of those people who I shared those
memories with not here no more.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, outside of rap, did you dream of anything else
other than rap?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Or that was?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
My brother used to tell us, tells me all the time,
he say, a dream is a gift that we give
to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I never heard that.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
So outside of rap, you said, you know, you started
fifteen sixteen, Outside of when you're growing up, say you're nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
what did you hear?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I wanted to play basketball if you want to do Yeah,
I wanted to go D one and go to everybody
like and I wasn't like when I was young. I
didn't really get good at basketball until I got like
eighth grade, ninth grade, Okay, Like I just had a dream.
I wanted to do it because it was the cool
thing to do. My big cusins and big brother and
all of them played basketball and they was good, you know,
And I just wanted to like follow after them for real.
And I really, like I used to like believe that

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I could do it for.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Real, you know what I'm saying, So you could really hoop?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I'm nice, I'm for sure, show for sure, But
my dreams just got cut short so early. Right fifteen sixteen,
out freshman Southmore in high school, I got shot, got
kicked off the team, stuff like that. You feel what
I'm saying. So it's like I just leaned towards rap.
But I never wanted to be anything other than the
basketball playing the rapper.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Did you play any other sports? You tried football?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
You tried? I ain't. I never tried football, man, I
just like I just fell in love with basketball and
just we played basketball like I wasn't athletic at all.
I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Like, so who would you compare your basketball game to? You?
You Lebron, you, Steph Curry, you KD George.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You're gonna laugh at this for real? For you know
who they used to compare me to ool Van next
Nick And.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't know about that Nick Quick?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah you think manager used to say I was. I
used to play like that next because I could, like
I used to be here like you lefty, Yeah, I'm
left here, get to whatever spot like.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
So cause Nikki Quick, I was I wasting different when
he got there. He was he was nice with he could,
he he was he could dance with it us.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was nice and my primest prime. I was like, so, obviously,
if you're from Chicago, you know d Road. Yeah, for sure,
d Roads.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
People say, man, d Rose is probably bigger in Chicago
than Jorge.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I've said that before.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
You said that my mouth. I said that was your
I said that, man, you need to get I don't know.
You must have been drinking when you drinking when you
said that.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Let me give you my opinion on why.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay, you give me your opinion.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I'm not gonna like join us the biggest of the biggest.
I'm saying that. But it's like coming from Chicago, know
he homegrown is like we've seen it. Like I used
to watch him play. When he went to Beasley, I
knew who Dareck Rose was.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
From Beasley to Semiana, you feel me like That's why
I felt like it just made it like any kid
from Chicago they dreamed like you could do it. We
really watched d Rose do it and become one of
the greatest point guards to ever play in the NBA,
youngest that's youngest MVP. He just gave us so much
hope in Chicago you feel, I'm saying, then you gotta
think about it. I was born in ninety five, so

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I ain't really get to see Jordan play right, so
high likes I seen Derrick Rose in real timing. Yeah,
you're right about that. So that's what I meant by
let me clarify young people like, but holdo, bro, how
you gonna say d Road?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
But I get what you're saying because you talk about.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Have got from Chicago poverty, even grew up poor bro
and became one of the biggest to ever play the game.
You feel, in my opinion, what.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
If d Road's trajectory if he doesn't get hurt, if
he doesn't hurt that meme And we saw him become
the youngest MVP in NBA history, so his trajectory was like,
now he he's a phenomenal player, But I still think
we would robbed of him at his alute prime.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Absolutely, we definitely got robbed of Derrick Rose. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, that's why we're so passionate
about it, because we know what it would have been
if he didn't hurt itself. Like, you can't tell me
that Dereck Rose wouldn't have left the NBA without no rings,
you know what I'm saying. He hurt hisself, you know,
because he was just so good. They would have, especially
what the NBA is now and what it was and
what it was becoming like, they would have built a

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team around him. He would have had a dynasty around him,
for real, real, like every you can't tell nobody in
Chicago that Derick Rose is not the top three point
guard ever. Still you feel I'm saying, and that's that's
how I feel about him for sure.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
What is it about hoopers and athletes want to be rappers?
Rappers want to be hoopers and football player?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
What? What?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
What?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
What? What is the combination? What is the common thread?
What is the fabric that tied these together?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think it's just like the cool effect, you know
what I'm saying. Like the lifestyle that rappers that artists
live is like it's glamorized, it's looked upon, it's like fun.
And athletes really like they life is disciplined, structure, yes,
gym workouts, like you know, the the athlete that go

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to the club and party like an artist, he get
criticized the most. You know what I'm saying, but at
the end of the day, I feel like they just
want to have that kind of fun because they really
got more money than us. They got more money than us,
but we having more fun. So it's like I feel
like that's the whole thing that tied to each other.
And you got to think about like just the motivation

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and inspiration that we give them with our music and
our art, you know what I'm saying, and working out
in the gym listening to it and get them in
their mold, Like it's certain songs that you listen to
like I'm gonna go score forty to you know what
I'm saying. I think that's really like the bridge in
between it and a lot of artists like myself, we
hear hoop dreams or football dream before we did it.
So it's like we look up to them too because

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they are what we wanted to be, but it ain't
work out. Like rap was our playing beat, you feel
me they playing a work.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
If I gave you a choice, say you know what,
you could have went to the NBA or you be
the rapper. Would you trade your career, your rap career
to be in the NBA?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
No? No, what the hell? I wouldn't because I feel
like early on I thought that's what I was like
destined to do. But I really feel like I'm living
in my purpose now, Like with all the people that
are influenced and what my music is, it's not really
just like rap for me. Like the greatest feeling that
I get from this is when people tell me, like
you changed my life, bro, Wow, you got me through

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this situation, like my brother passed, my grandmother, my dad passed,
and like, if it wasn't for your music, I don't
even know what I would be or what I would
be doing. And don't get me wrong, you could. You
could influence those kind of people through you know, uh
sports and stuff like that. But I just feel like
I was really meant to be who I am right now.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right, hoop rappers, you j Cole, Savage, Drake, Yeah,
dave E's Breezy. Now it's reported that you beat Drake
and Savage.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, we did Drake's times in a row.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Hold on Drake, like I've seen b I haven't seen
it with my own eyes, but I watched him in
the video and Drake got game.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Drake to shoot the net off. The motherfucker for show
and you beat you, you beat Savage play the five
on five. Yeah, Drake and Savage on the same team.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh, your team beat his team.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, we beat them for show like four five times.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah for sure, and we'll do.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It again y'all.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, y'all have some money on the line. We
ain't even play for no money. We was just playing
for form for the sport. We just probably taking Sea
Drake money on the wood. Yeah, now we put that
money on the wood for sure. We could play for
that money. They got a lot of it. He got
to give a h for sure. But now that's my
dog man twenty one, that's my brother Drake. We was
just at the crib of vibing and hooping and ship.

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Yeah we beat the Yeah, it's like four five times
in a row.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
For whose idea was to get the car?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Man?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Y'all? Okay, y'all in there, y'all talking, y'all, you're doing
yourll thing, y'all. Probably in the studio, man, somebody started talking, Man, hey, hey,
you know how to be Like everybody got them dreams,
they get the woof and like all right, man, come on,
suit up, like it was one of them work in
the court, suit up. Everybody come on, suit up for sure,
like niggas bringing hoop shoes, like what size you will?
You will?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Now? All right, go give me bring me another that,
you know what I'm saying? Like that the shoot.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Now, I don't know about y'all really, but I've seen
Chris Brown. Chris Brown could really really.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Nice, be nice too. We played Chris Brown in the
Crew League. We lost though, Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I
figured I figured that I would go fake that, but
I figured now we lost the Breezy team for sure.
Every time we went to the Crew League, we made
it to the finals though we always made it to
the championship.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
There's been a lot of talk, and I know you
getting probably get an opportunity to see him at his prime.
I did Michael Jackson. A lot of people say Chris
Brown is the greatest entertainer ever. That title has been
mistown to Michael for a very long time. Now we
know when it comes to album sales, record sales, nobody's
gonna be able to approach Mike's. That's first of all,

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they don't sell vinyls. They don't sell record like that anymore.
So that's nulling boy, but do you believe that Chris
Brown is the greatest entertainer.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like there's nobody closer to Michael Jackson than
Chris Brown, honestly, like for real, for real and just
seeing it with my own eyes, you know, and just
seeing like who he is as a person and putting
your whole everything into your craft. I'm saying, like he really,
like is mind blowing seeing him on stage, like having
all that energy. Yeah, man's hits like being in shape

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where you could do thirty flips back to back, you
know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, two hours, two and a half hours of that
night to night and.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's insane for fifty nights in a row, and then
you can go do it again. You could go do
it out the country. You could do it in the States,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, Breezy definitely, in
my opinion, is the closest thing to Michael Jackson for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
How is it working with Breezy? So what's he like
in the studio? What's it like?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
You like you said he's an phenomenal performer, saying not,
I mean, I don't even know if he got bones
in his body.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The way he can get his body and do all
that stuff. My knees hurting. I'm gonna have to get
my knee replaced. Just watching the videos all got me
off replace.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, Like some people just like have that it factor,
you know what I'm saying. Like some people it's really
like God really put their hands on you and just
made you. This is what I want you to everything
you do, you know what I'm saying. That in that field,
and that's the same thing where like with him in
the studio, like the way he record is second nature
when he and his comfort zone, like he wants you

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to come pull up on him, come to the crib,
come where I'm at and like just vibe and it's
gonna it's gonna like it's gonna have the same outcome
every time. You feel what I'm saying, like, he not
gonna miss it's just what he do. You feel me like?
And when I seen that, Like it's only certain people
that I've ever seen in my life who I feel like,
I just like amazing at making music, you know what

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I'm saying. And that's that's Chris Brown, Juice World, Future,
Meet Meal and the those are the only people that
I really seen my own ass, like this shit really
is second nature to know what I'm saying, and it
inspired me to like get better game up show and
inspire me to like just cause I'm like a sponge.

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Though when I watch people do certain things, I pick
up from you know what I'm saying, the way they record,
and they patterns like you feel what I'm saying. Like I
give you example, like Meet Meal, he freestyle a bunch
of different flows and like cadences until he just find
that one day he the most comfortable with and just
go off of that, you know what I'm saying. And
Pluto do the same thing for real in his own way.

(14:37):
It's like he just keep on like he just edit.
He's just spind shitting. It sounds like he mumbling at first,
and then when you hearing it all put together, that
shit sound like amazing. And I seen Juice World do
the same thing with his music like Juice used to.
I've never seen nobody do a Juice World do though.
Juice would rap a full song and one tape like

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without punching in like he would rap really a full song,
a hook two versus all in one take without stopping
and stop and rap another song completely different on the
same beat one tape. He'll do it at least three
four times, damn, and just picked his favorite one. I've
never seen nobody do that in my life ever.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
So what Look.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I've had a lot of people on the show and
it's like, you know, Hole, you play hole a beat,
holes in the back. He's real quiet, He's just not
in his hat. Then he go in boom through his thing.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Face said, like while he's listening to the beat, he's writing, Wayne,
don't write anything down.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
He just go drop the track. What's your style? I'm
kind of like a mixture between like what hole and
what Wayne? You do? Like I'm quiet, like south Side
south Side that's my brother. Man. He's been producing me
since I was sixteen years old. Like I didne heard
him like like you know how you be focused on
thinking in my head? Like that's how I do. I
don't write. I haven't wrote no song and probably four

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five years right for real. So it's like I just
be in their vibin and off the top of my head.
I'm saying the lyrics in my head though, like I'm
thinking of it at least the first four to eight Boss.
Then I go in and whatever I'm memorized, I say,
and from now just pick on and punch in, Like
like how Wayne do well? I'm talking about south Side,
I heard him say, like because they're being there making

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a beat and I'll just be like noding and they'd
be like, yeah, somebody asks like when he gonna go
in there? He like, bro, he rapping already in his head,
like he already Wow. He like he noticed that I
did that before I even was noticing, Like I was
just thinking shit, But he's like, you always do that,
Like I just be in that vibing in my head
and you think I'm listening to the beat, but I'm
actually rapping, Like my first four to eight bars at

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least am going.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So you're not really paying attention to what the beat
is doing. You're thinking about what you're gonna say over.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
That exactly exactly. Like so as they making the beat
and they producing, like I'm just letting them do them
because I know they're gonna add more to it regardless.
So it's like, once I hear a sound or a loop,
I know if I want to rap on the beat
the first four seconds of it, you know what I'm saying,
Like I know how I want to come into it.
So it's like I'd be in my head just thinking
the stuff, thinking the flows, and it don't take me long.
Maybe after like fifteen minutes or something, I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Ready to go rap damn.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
So you don't get you don't get distracted, because if
I'm like thinking about something, I'm you know, man, be quiet, come.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
On man, damn no, hell no, you need that.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I do. I love that type of energy, and
I think I've grown into that artist where it's like
sometimes I might, you know, want to be in the
studio by myself, but majority of the time, nine times
out of ten, I want at least ten fifteen people
in the study.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's what I was going to ask, because some like, no, bro,
I want it quiet. Some guys, look, I want I
want to file up and I won't. I want chaos.
I want people just running around doing whatever y'all do
a because I don't impact me.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Let's get at it and then.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Inspired my music though, So it's like a conversation that
we might be having in this room. I might think
of something and it inspired me to like put it
on the song. You know what I'm saying. So it's like,
I actually like when it's a lot of people and
people be loud and talking and laughing and shit.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Don't bother me at all. Can you turn your mind off?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Because you know, I've heard em says that, Like when
he was in it, He's like, every time he was
just thinking of something that rhyme.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Ryan hick tick lick nick.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Do you turn your mind off? Are you constantly trying
to think of things that rhyme?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
No? I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And you know, I actually changed my whole style of
like rap a few years ago because one of my
closest friends, my best friend Wap, He told me, like, Bro,
I've watched you rap from your very first times in
the studio till now, and I know, like when you
thinking too hard about stuff like I don't even think

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about metaphor stuff that rhyme. I don't think about stories
I need to tell, he said, just going there and
vibe to the beat. Bro, that's when you make your
hardest shit. Like okay, he told me, like every time
you overthink. And one time I did the song Me
and twenty one Savage was in the studio and this
was like this is probably like four years ago, and
he like, Bro, you thought too hard about that verse,

(18:59):
like you could have win way crazy damn. And I
was in my head thinking like I didn't really like
the verse for real, right, Okay, you's already there. I
was already thinking like I didn't really like it. I
felt like I was frustrated thinking about too much shit
because at that moment, it's like twenty one, so big
as an artist. I want to put my hardest shit
on this, you knowe what I'm saying. He's driving to
the studio to jump on it, so I'm thinking like

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I gotta get him my fire as verse. And I
shouldn't have been thinking like that. I should have just
been like, I'm finna just do me, just going there,
And when he told me that, I never thought hard
about my music again, and I feel like I just
got better and better?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Is that common? Like you on a beat and you
know that they got some mother five, they got heat
on that thing.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So you're like, I happen to be because you know
it's natural. They gonna compare man who had the hardest
verse on that track?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Absolutely for sure?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
And you like, all I know, I might not be
the hardest, but I d damn sure ain't gonna say
I'm the Weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah yeah, Like I go in with that mentality already,
like all right, but I don't think about what I'm
gonna say, Okay, whatever's going on on the song. I
might just listen to the vibe, the hook or a
lot bit like I barely listen to their verses. Once
I listened to the hook and a little bit of
the verse, I just go in there and just start
rapping and that shit come out like and you know
what it is. I'm a real like critical thinker. I

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think a lot. I can't really turn my mind off
to stop thinking. So it's like when I get in
my zone, I just like rap and say whatever come
to me right at that moment. I'm like what I mean, Bay,
So if I could like make it make more sense
for you, is as an artist, instead of thinking about
the last as they come soon as it gets your
brain you start rapping, you thinking about the end of

(20:33):
the song, Like I want to like you thinking about
shit before it even come to you what I'm gonna
say next. I don't do that no more, Like I
just whatever come to my head. And a lot of
times I used to think about like damn, should I
say this, Should I not say this? How this is
gonna like get how is this gonna like reflect on
the world or certain things I say, like damn, has
this gonna affect this person? I might be talking about

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something or somebody like, damn it, this is gonna offend people?
Like I used to think like that all the time.
Now I really just don't care. I don't even givehing.
I don't care how people are gonna receive it or anything,
because at the end of the day, it's like, this
is my art.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Right, so this is what you're feeling at that time.
So hey, you receive it how you receive it. But
this is how I felt.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Gold with it, and I feel like once I started
thinking like that, like this unstoppable, like I'll never get
right as block or nothing.

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Speaker 2 (22:33):
It's good to be right.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
If you on the track, do you want to hear
other people's verse on that track? Or do you like
hey give me, let me, let me come in. When
I come in, and then whatever happens happened, because you know,
sometime they might play somebody that's on the track. They
might play that verse, then you hear it, and then
what have you ever recorded? And then you heard somebody?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Now I got to do mine over Hell, I've done
that before the show, So I like, that's why I
like to hear they shit first.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I definitely like to hear don't send me no blank song.
I'm gonna get offended a little bit, like I'm gonna
get mad because I don't do that, you know what
I'm saying, Like, I feel like I gotta at least
hear your verse to give me some type of direction
because I could be all over the place and you
on one subject of the song. You know what I'm saying.
I feel like people do that intentionally because they want

(23:22):
to burn you.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
They want to have the hardest ship.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
You know, when they do that, I'll be like, no, hell, no,
send me your verse, you knowe what I'm saying. Or
I take long with the verse on purpose. You feel
what I'm saying? Then the see, yeah, I take long
with the verse on purpose, and then it's like, now
I'm taking my time with it, because sometimes I will
go in the studio like way faux bars, be like
all right, but I'm gonna do another song and then
come back to that song and lay another faux balls
and lay eight bars or whatever until I finished the

(23:47):
whole verse, like I've done that multiple time.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
He said, I want to hear what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
You ain't finna burn me in hell no, No, you
got to send the whole verse, especially if I know
that the song done already, Like, hell no, I want
you to send me everybody on it. Artists do that too, though,
so do it. Yeah, So say, for instance, if I'm
about to do a song when Meek Mill, he will
send me his verse, but Jada Kiss will be on
the song already too, so he wouldn't send me the

(24:12):
You're not saying him personally, but artists, right right, It'll
be other people on the song, but they not sending
their verses, Like no, I don't need to hear everybody
that's on the stupid song right now before I lay much.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But so let's just say, for the sake of argument,
you got four guys on the song do you do it?
Does it matter to you which sequence you go?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Are you first, you second, your third? You finish up?
How does who determines the order the sequence in which?
I feel like, whoever song it is? And just like
rapper Etiqutt, whoever got the hardest? Verse have to go last,
first or last. You can't really go in the middle,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I don't really mind, though I don'tly caring because
I feel like I'm gonna have you got that by anyway,
so it don't matter. And a lot of times they
put me last on the verse for sure. I'm usually
always last, I mean the first or last for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay, let's go back to the beginning. You said you've
born in use Chicago, East Side of Chicago. Obviously you
talked about having home is and people that you knew
and you grew up with not make it as far
as you did. What was that culture like the gang culture?
When did you realize that you're mad? My life different.

(25:22):
Yeah than a lot of people that's my age that
looked like me. They don't have to experience what I'm experienced.
When did you realize that where you were definitely was
going to impact what you became.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
When I started traveling, Like when I started to actually
see other places and go to other cities, and I
started traveling doing shows when I was like seventeen years old,
like going to Rhode Island, going to like Boston and
seeing like, damn this shit totally differently. It's hoods everywhere,
don't get me wrong, correct, even like other cities in
the mid West, like you fee what I'm saying, Minnesota,

(25:58):
and like everybody got their hoods all like trenched out, dangerous,
but Chicago is just totally different. And the stuff that
I grew up seeing, I thought it was normal because
everybody was doing that, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like you going to school, Like I seen my first
guns and shit at school, Like people going to school
and having guns on them, and I'm in fifth grade,

(26:18):
sixth grade, you know what I'm saying, They having a
different bitess off. And then you look up. By the
time you in eighth grade, we got metal detectives, cause
niggas know that. You know what I'm saying, People that
was doing to school and shit and like my first home,
like I it was like it didn't dawn on me
that my life was so different. It's so chaotic until
I started to see people from other places and like

(26:41):
having conversations with people that was older than me that
didn't really like that grew up in Chicago but didn't
grow up how we grew up. That wasn't in the streets,
you know what I'm saying. Like I lost some of
my first friends when I was in like sixth grade,
Like that's when I started seeing people get killed and
murdered and shit like all right, but when he went
to my school, we used to chop it up and

(27:03):
we'd come back to school next day like, yeah, so
and so got killed. You feel me, Like, was that
your first experience with death when you're in the sixth
grade with death with people getting killed? Yeah, murders, Yeah,
for sure, Like sixth grade, fifth grade shit like that
was it was like somebody who you know, cause I
had old older cousins and brothers and shit that went
to my school. I got a older brother and I
got older cousins and it was like we was deep.

(27:26):
It was probably like nine of us that went to
that school. So like their friends in they grade, you
seeing people they hang out with, like damn, he just
got killed, you feel what I'm saying, And they come
back to school, people said, talking about the shit, and
it's like it was so normal, like people just went
on with they day and then maybe a few months later,
this person got killed, you know, and it's like I
didn't really like it didn't hit home for me until

(27:48):
I got in like seventh and eighth grade, when I
started to like people who I knew and looked up
to started to get killed, you know what I'm saying.
And it was all like behind like street shit gang.
You fee what I'm saying. It wasn't no accidental shit.
It's like, damn, it wasn't no card somebody and somebody
had hellmi or hands or something like that. No, hell no,

(28:10):
like somebody intentionally killed you. So it's like it gets
to a point where you like, damn, only I can't
become a victim of this shit, you know what I'm saying.
So that's what I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You said, east Side it's big, but you didn't see
anybody gets really small. It's really time. But let me
ask you this. Did you know anybody from the East
Side that had made it out and became successful doing
something because it's hard being from rural South Georgia.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
We didn't see anybody.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
We didn't know anybody that had made it to the
NFL or we didn't have anybody to come back and
talk to us and give us PEP talks and say
you could become this.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
All we saw was advertising, uh military looking for a
few good men, ain't it. So I'm trying to get
I'm trying to get up out of there, but that's
not the route I'm trying to go.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So when did you make it up in your mind?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Say, you know what, I see all this death happening
around me, I ain't going that rap.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Probably when I dropped out of school, Like I was
still rapping and going to school, and I had like
a little hood fame and the variety. You feel I'm saying.
So it's like, by the time I was sixteen years old,
people actually really know my name. But at the same
time I was in the streets, so that was bad,
you feel what I'm saying. It's like, now it's to
a point where I'm rapping. I got videos on YouTube

(29:27):
that got twenty thousand and thirty thousand views, forty one
hundred thousand views, is picking up like for real, like
really picking up and those hundred thousand coming from other
cities and stuff like that too, but the majority of
it is coming from Chicago. So it's like I'm becoming
a household name in Chicago, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm still going to school. So it's like, oh, yeah,

(29:47):
he go to that school. We about to come up
to that school and get this saying, like yeah, niggas
was coming up to my school like looking for me
and shit, And I was like I was always like smart,
I was steps ahead of everybody, Like I ever like
really rode the bus for real, like after when I
got popping, Like my freshman year year, I could get
on the bus. But by the time I was a sophomore,
I dropped out. My sophomore year Okay, by the time

(30:09):
I was a sophomore is like I had to get
dropped off from school by my homies, had to get
picked up from school by my homies, Like my mama
couldn't drop me off or picking me up at school
because I didn't want to put my mom at home's
away you feel me, Like I never used to drop
my sister off when I had a car, I never
took her to school. I never put her on the
car with me, because I knew the reality of my life,
like my car really could get shot up for real,
and I don't want to have my mama and my

(30:30):
sister in the car. So it's like when I dropped
out of school, I'm like, bro, I gotta really do
this shit for real, Like I really like I made
a promise to my mom and dad. You know, my
brother looked gray who passed away his baby Mama told
me a conversation that I had with my dad I
didn't remember, and like he was argue with me, yelling
at me, like, man, he was dropping out of school,

(30:50):
Like what, you're gonna be a flunky like one of
these niggas. I'm like, no, I'm about to wrap this
shit about to work. He like, what's your plan, B
I'm like, ain't no plan. Beat this shit. I got
it's gonna work, telling you like I'm about to really
do it. So at that age, I'm sixteen, seventeen years old,
I hear it really like have a lot of responsibility
on it, because like, all right, you're not going to school,
You're not finna sit around his house either, and just

(31:12):
being around his bitch, getting high, eating up all the
food through something. They gonna get some money. You know
what I'm saying. That's the type of time, Like you know,
my mom and everybody was on like all right, so
what you're gonna do? And man, thank god that it
actually started to pick up fast. You feel me, Like
I dropped out of school maybe six months later or

(31:32):
eight months later, when I was going into my junior year,
Nicki min I just called my phone for a feature.
You feel me, so damn. It started to pick up
early on, you know. And in the midst of all
of that, people was dying around me, a lot of
my closest friends. So it's like I had to still
maneuver through that because I was still living in Chicago.

(31:53):
You know what I'm saying. It's like and when you
were young, you know, my brain wasn't even fully developed.
Yeah real, so I'm still thinking I.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Could get you. And you've been young. You invincible? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I thought I was invincible for real, Like I ain't
gonna lie and I at the same time, let me
rephrase it, like I knew I wasn't, but I didn't care.
I was willing to like put my life on the
line and do certain ship where it's like I go
to this store, I go to the gas station, I'm
willing to really like pull my gun out and protect myself.
You know what I'm saying that at any given moment,

(32:23):
And that's really like that's crash out ship.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, because first of all, if you got to go somewhere,
you got to carry a gun. You already know you
already know you were a real o g because like
my uncles used to say that, like, bro, you gotta
carry a gun.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't even want to go there, I know because
you already look at something.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Probably used the complete opposite, like I'm carrying it everywhere
like every single while I go. Like we used the
complete opposite of that. You know what I'm saying, I
don't want to go nowhere. I can't carry a gun.
That's how I used to think for real, Like you
you hoping something off. I used to think like that
for real.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's like but it was only because you gotta think
about it. Like was at an all time had where
I'm from, like so many of my friends. By time
I was like when I met my first manager, Mickey,
who was still my manager, to this day. When I
met him, he made me like he just always start
outside the box. He like, man, I'm about to paint

(33:17):
this picture like you know y'all story you being from
the hood and excuse me being in the streets and
losing homies at fourteen fifteen sixteen, He's like, man, I
want to do a mirror, like write your homies down,
your closest homies that passed away. You feel me? Like
he thought it was probably gonna be three four Like
it was like twenty people on the wall, like seventeen

(33:38):
people or some shit like that on the wall and
we spray painted. We there in that lost room, and
it blew his mind. He like, god, damn, Like you
really know that many people did? I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah,
like and that's all in the matter of four year.
Yeah shit like that.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Do you remember how old you were when you got
your first gun?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Mmm, like fourteen fourteen? Yeah, yeah, I remember myself.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I mean normally, you know people try to get like
PlayStation or xboxes and stuff like that. I mean, you're
getting that too, and you didn't think it did like
you thought it would.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Was it cool to you or do you think, man,
this is this is a necessary party now.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I needed it, like for real, Like leaving out of
the house, going to certain places, you gotta think. Like
I said, East had big, but it's small. I live
right here. My auntie lived eight blocks this way. My
best friend lived five six blocks this way. It's like
when I ain't had no transportation, I gotta walk to
the house or catch the bus. You never know who
you're going to see. So you got that thing on

(34:42):
hell Yeah yeah buy my first going out like fourteen,
So what happened? What happened to? We grew up, We
grew up thirty things. We grew up fighting too, but
then it was over with it.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But didn't nobody like taking no ass.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Nobody want to get that so especially now because it's
on the internet and then forever. So you take a
hell and I got to go get I gotta go
get get get back.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's another thing, Like I'm not even being funny. I
ain't joking. Like me and all my homies like knew
how to fight. Yeah, we really used to whoop niggas
ass for so it's like they used to get mad
and they started shooting at us. It's for real, for real,
to be honest, like we like all my homies, not
a fight, right. My big brother he know to fight goodest.
You feel what I'm saying. My big cousins now to
fight goodest. And I was the youngest. They used to

(35:21):
beat me up all the time. So it's like I
grew up fighting my whole life and then got to
think I'm light skin. Niggas used to pick yeah, yeah, yeah,
you gotta get the other. Yeah, you don't do that, niggas.
You know you call me, you play with me and
call me south pretty boy. My name Herbert is call
me hershey man. Yeah yeah, yeah, you right down. You
can do life getting at your name Herbert. Oh yeah,
you gotta doubles. We have to fight a lot, like

(35:42):
all the time, you know what I'm saying. So it's
like I grew up knowing how to fight. But it
got to a point where it's like, ain't nobody feelings,
Just let you just beat them up. You feel me, nigga,
don't want to do something to you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It got to a point where me was like, I
don't even got enough love for you to be fighting
you because I know if I whoop, you gonna try
to shoot me anyway. I might as well just skip
to the get down. We might as well we're gonna do.
You're like, hey, in the beginning, d you ain't got
no member park, I felt like that was that was
just what was going on. Man, I ain't gonna lie
to you, but you make a then you got shot.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, at sixteen, walking through that day, wake up like hey, man,
sons out, I mean evan because sometimes people get like man,
I just I mean, I've had things happen to me.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
It was a good day up into that part. It
was a good ass day. I ain't gonna lie like
I had. I was fresh as brand new outfit. I
had on like true religion, Louis Bell leaders, hoodie leaders,
hat wheat timbulings. You know, it's so crazy. I'm gonna
tell you a funny story too. So I had a
photo shoot with a I think it was Elevator magazine

(36:49):
at the time, and I was shooting like content for
my first mixtape, walking the Face of the Land. So
I was downtown feeling good, nice fit on. You feel
me like, dressed up, smoking and just chilling like I
had a great day, great photo shoot. So it's like
I'm like it was in the middle of the summer.
Too hot outside, Yeah, you feel me. I'm done with

(37:10):
the shoot probably about six o'clock. I'm like, oh, y'all
know for show to block busting right now? It's too
many people out there. It's hot, I know it is. Yeah.
So but fast forward that day, I'm gonna tell you,
like the timblers I had on I couldn't. I didn't
have no time to go to. It's a store called
DTL Lot like right by my grandma house. I didn't

(37:30):
have time to go there and go get me no timblers.
So my little brother had a fresh pair of teams
in the crib. I'm like, man, let me get these teams,
right he Hell no, Man, you go get your own teams.
Like I'm not getting it to you. Oh man, Bro,
Hun'm finna give you one fifty for the shoes right now.
That's what teams like, one hundred dollars. Yeah. Like, I'm like,
I'm about to give you one fifty for the shoes. Bro,
just let me get him. He's still no, no, hell no,

(37:50):
I want to. I'm finna put my TMS on ool.
So I wound up like kind of like strong arm
the matter of and still getting money, Like, bro, give
me these damn shoes. I get shot in the shoes.
I got in the foot. He was like once he
was crying right his baby mama told me like, yeah,
herb got shot. I'm gonna still tell you the story,
like how it happened, but I'm just sitting this part.

(38:11):
He like, yeah, her got shot. You on the phone
crying and ship. So he wound up find out he
was good like that, I was good. He didn't know
at first. He feel me so on Twitter like I
was famous a little bit when I got shot. So
they on Twitter talking about the ship. When he found
out I was good and I got shot in the foot,
this fuck he was only mad about his shoes. He
only mad about the shoes. Now after I paid him
for him and everything, nigga got shot in my tails

(38:34):
like ship like that, Like that's not like ship I
paid you for Yeah, Like come on, bro, for real.
But as matter of fact, you know what it was.
I was on. He was so on some petty ship.
He wasn't even gonna bat no. I think I let
him finest me. I gave him the money and still
told him like, bro, I'm gonna gillo teams back like
you could wear him to the shoot and I'm gonna

(38:56):
gill your shoes back. So that's why he was mad,
like nigga, he was supposed to give my ship back, nigger.
But anyway, so look, it was a hot, like I said,
a hot summer day. Go outside of my block and
we out that deep like deep deep, probably like fifty
sixty of us, you know what I'm saying. That My
hood was like packed. So it's like we'll be posted

(39:16):
up on one block probably twenty thirty people girls. Then
we on the whole next block, twenty thirty people girls
like and just rotating walking back and forth from stores.
It was one of them type of vibs and we
were just out there chilling with a bunch of girls
and shit, and you know, it's so crazy. Like two
of my homies head walked up on the corner and
told him like, hey, I just seen some niggas riding

(39:38):
with hoodies on and shit, Like you fel what I'm saying,
They finla come right through here, you feel me? Like
he gave us a warning and everything he told me
like move around, stamp from right here. One of my
homies who passed away, Long live my homie cap Man
Marvick Carr. He got he got like two girls right there.
I think he talking to and I was talking to
one of the girls at the time, and another girl

(39:58):
that was right there was one of my home one
of the guys who wore me my homie. It was
his baby mama at the time. So when he like, man,
move around from right hill, like he tell us move around,
you feel I'm saying, and they finna go on the
next block and just like secure the area because they
on point. But my homie on some cocky shit like man,
the niggas like let him come, you feel what I'm saying.

(40:19):
And in the back of my mind, I knew they
weren't line. I'm like, nah, my niggas finna come right yet.
So I told the girls, like y'all move around, just
go to the corner type shit, And they moved around.
But we never moved or we never just like what damn,
you gave him the hands up and you and your
own warning. I ain't. I just we just stayed right there.
And you know, it's so crazy, like when it happened,

(40:42):
we always before it happened. I mean, we always like
on this one block and the police pulled up right
there and did some shit like everybody looked like they
didn't even hop out and frisk be cause they was
like everybody, lift y'all shirt up, it just like to
make sure we ain't had no guns on the type
of shit, lift our shirt up. And I went around
the block and law and behold. Soon as I get
to the corner, after I told the girls to move around,

(41:05):
they just pulled up shooting, and I got hit, and
like me and like eight other my homies, like nine
of us got hit. That shit was on the newspaper
article like, yeah, some crazy shit for sure. Yeah, like
nine of us got shut there.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Then you wish you to have that thing on you weren't.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Nah, I ain't gonna lie, of course for sure, but
I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna keep it a buck
with you for real, for real. When that shit happened,
when the police pulled right there, I threw my gun
like on a like like in the in the field.
Yeah under somewhere. I heard it. Only thirty five seconds
or what happened, Like you.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Feel me, y'all saw him coming, So you saw the
police coming, Yeah, you got rid.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Of and then they walked up like on some lift
y'all shirt up. But to be honest, though, I feel
like it was like some shit well like it might
have called the police, like oh yeah, they right there
standing with guns so we could get dispersed or whatever,
and didn't come around and do what they did type
shit you feel I'm saying. I feel like it was
a situation like that. Yeah, with that the moment that

(41:59):
you real lies, you know what, I'm mad to get it.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm mad. I'm mad to get it.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Somebody, k I'm somebody now because like you said, your
music has started to take off, You're not You're not
the same.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I'm gonna be completely honest with you.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Hell no, I was right you were looking for I
was right back out there, man, I got shot. I
probably went out there the next day or the day
after that with a boot on my leg, just outside
standing looking for hoping they cut back, ain't it. Nah,
not even that, It was just like not caring, like
really just not caring if they come back. For really
saying because we I mean, it's not like we was

(42:34):
oblivious to it, like we know possibly like yeah, Nigga
come back through this big shooting. So it's a war zone.
It's hot. You know what I'm saying, come through this
bit shooting at any day. But I wasn't worried about
I wasn't scared, you know what I'm saying. Like, and
like I said, right before I got shot, I did
have a gun on me. I threw it, you know
what I'm saying when the police came. So it's like
even when I was back out there the next day,

(42:55):
I was back out there with a boot, can't run,
but got guns on me. Still, Like, but the ain't
nobody with their life doing that? No, not that day, No,
they just got people just got here. Yeah nobody lost
their life for sure, but nine of us like got
shot that day for sure. That shit made the news
and everything.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Like damn how many it was in the car?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Four five?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
What the car that came they roll through? Yeah, they came,
but they came spread. They get that bitty came hot.
The boys came hot.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Damn, man, I just.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You told the story, like you know what You're like,
you realize that, you know what, I'm not the same
guy anymore, and me not being the same guy anymore.
I can't put people that I love in harm's way, Mom,
you ain't driving me to school no more, little sis,
you not. I'm not dropping you off the school. The
home is that, this is what we this is who
we are. Were good with it. Whatever happened to us,
I can live with that. But if something would have

(43:47):
happened to my mom or sister, I'm really gonna go
crazy and some stuff go. Really it's never gonna end, yeah,
because if you get my mom and my sister, it's
never gonna end.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
So I'm not even I don't got none to live
for any point for sure. So it's like, yeah, I
understood that early. Like I never put my mom in
a car, my aunties, my grandmother, nobody ever got in
a call at me, and I never got in a
car with them, Like I would rather just wait all
day until somebody picked me up before I desperately tell
my mama to drop me off somewhere, you feel me,

(44:15):
And I DIDNE did that many and many a times,
you know. And the first thing I did when I
got some real money, the very first thing I did,
was bought my mama house far far far away, right
super far, like I mean, my mama like forty minutes
away from the hood. You know, and nobody never knew
where she lived. Only probably three of my closest friends
ever been to my mama house. Still to this day,

(44:36):
you feel me. So I always been one of the
kind of people just like you know, protect family. My
dad taught me that, Like I come from a two
parent household, so my pops always told me, like, protect
your family no matter what you got going on, you
feel me. And my parents always like trusted me enough
to just make good decisions. Like although I was in
the streets and I had like shit going on, they

(44:58):
trusted me to never bring it back to my house,
you know what I'm saying. And like I took that
real serious.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
You mentioned that you were in the street.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
You come from a two parent household, your dad, your
mom ever say, son.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Son, you don't have to do that. I think I
was just too You weren't trying to hear that I was. Yeah,
I was too far gone, like I'm not gonna lie.
And I always been like real strong headed like and
my dad he know me, like me and him the
same sign and everything. So it's like once I was
already in it, all they could really do is tell
me just be smart for me, like it was it
was too too late.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You went to high school with King Von?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, VN probably was in there one or two.
It's that I ain't come back, yeah for sure. Yeah,
I definitely went to high school with Londo.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
So what so what was it? So?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
I mean, say you went to school not not not
very long, but when you what was your what was
your thoughts when you first met it?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I actually I had already known like who VN was
before school because we got mutual friends, right, Okay, my homie,
like I said, one of my best friends walk He
from the projects that got knocked down, and a lot
of those people from like von hood like oh Block
and shit like that, they from those projects. Okay, So
like they had already like known each other and we

(46:16):
didn't been around each other many a time, so it's
like already like Von and knew it, like and knew
like what he was about, Like bro's the real deal
for real?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Who's on that type of time for really?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
No? For sure?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
So like is hey, they said, I mean, I'll be
reading I don't know if it's true or not, but
I'll be hearing they like, Man, if you wouldn't do it, Von,
I go do it myself.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I mean, yeah, it was a lot of people like
that in Chicago for really. Hell yeah, it was a
lot of people. But you got to think about it
when you when you on that type of time, you
can't really like and this is something that's really true.
I feel like if you second guessing yourself, and you
could pull me up some more too. If you second
guessing yourself and you don't want to do it, just

(46:57):
don't do it. You shouldn't do it, right, you know
what I'm saying. And I believe even that, Like I
wouldn't want to have nobody around me for real that
I got to like question the second guess because that
could cost your life for real, Like somebody will choke
up and freeze and ooh, that's a cost of your life.
So it's like, yeah, for sure, if he wasn't on
that type of time, he didn't even want to hang
with you. I wouldn't want to hang with you either,
because it's like you really don't want to do this,

(47:17):
go fid you something else to do the same for you,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, for sure,
for sure, I'm like that was probably the first day
of school when I seen Von and there he walked
up to my homie like, hey boy, it's going down
and this like you feel what I'm saying, like he
already wants us, Like, boy, y'all be on point here.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Damn for sure. How difficult was it for you to
watch him getting murdered on video?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
That shit broke my heart for sure, Like I don't, like,
I don't really be like emotional for real, Like I'm
so numb to death. I'm not a stranger to it
because I've been experiencing it my whole life. But like
when he when he died and and that shit, like
that shit.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Really like right, not thinking about it, like did you
hear about it and then watch the video or did
you see the video first?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Because did you.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Get I had no, I had heard about it already.
I heard about it that night it happened, you know
what I'm saying, Because we got so many mutual friends,
and shit got right to me. You feel me, Like
as soon as it happened, I knew probably like an
hour later, you feel me? Right, And then I seen
the video and yeah, that shit definitely made me emotional
for sure, like just seeing it and no matter like

(48:29):
and I don't want people to like take what I'm
saying and misconfuse it. Like when we come from sometimes
you just you not Sometimes a lot of times you
got to adapt to your environment. Like no matter what
you might think somebody did or some shit a nigga
might did, like we really be having good hearts at
the end of the day, Like I don't care what

(48:50):
Voughon did in the streets. That was a good nigga,
like a real nigga. You feel what I'm saying. It's like,
don't give me or I believe in like universal low.
You feel what I'm saying, so like haven't played out
and played out? Okay, you feel me? You live by
a gun. You dibb out a gun. You know what
I'm saying, Like a real real that come from the streets.
Understand understand that, understand that one hundred percent. But just

(49:12):
seeing it, like you know what I'm saying, just seeing
like damn, like that ship, I feel like that wasn't
his story, Like you know what I'm saying. I feel
like it just he had so much more life, so
much more shit to do, Like you feel me Like
I took VN on his first tour, like as a
as a main artist, like he he performed, then I perform.
You feel me? So it's like I always fuck with bro,
I always believed in him. You feel me like when

(49:33):
that shit happened, it just like he threw me out.
It just it just made me feel like like, Bro,
you can't take this shit for granted, Like this shit
help me.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Help me understand, Bro, your whole life you thinking, and
I'm sure he thought the very same thing. I want
to get out of this environment. He's out, he's a
big rapper.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Why go back? Why do that?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Why continue to do that?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I feel like ain't even feel like like this is
the truth? Is just like when that shiit in you
is in you like that shit just it's easy for you,
Like you gotta really you gotta work harder on not
doing something to somebody than then in anything else. You
feel what I'm saying. So it's like I think you
feel like when you know what you're capable of, you
feel like somebody playing with you, you would just do

(50:20):
something like you would just make you how.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You gottam play with you? You're not even supposed to
be in that invibrary. Guess what?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, I make four five million dollars a year. Aren't
you gonna surround yourself because you don't need to be
in that environment anymore because those that those guys are
no longer on your level. Now, you hang around with
people that's on your level. You hang with me, you
hang with Kilchia, you hang with Thumb, you hang with
those type of people.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Prob I ain't on this no more. It's like you
gotta it take a little minute to adjust.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Though.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
It's not like a snap of a finger. Okay, vn
wasn't He wasn't a millionaire for years. You know what
I'm saying, Like he's still still coming out the streets.
You know what I'm saying, He getting his money what
he's doing, But it takes you a long time to
really process that this is my life, right, you feel
what I'm saying. So it's like, naturally, he really still
a street nigga, So he gonna react like howgh street react?

(51:10):
You feel me like it took me years and years
to just be like shit ain't worth it? Like you
know what I'm saying, Like I' about to give you
a scenario. I was just saying, North Carolina Rally, some
dumb ass shits niggas walked up on me and like
tried me in them all like saying some shit to
me like yeah, I'm not even gonna like save the
artists or whatever. He walked up to me to about

(51:31):
another artist like yeah, we got this chain, tell him
bad back, like and I'm like, the fuck you mean?
I don't care about that shit, Like I'm like, what
are you telling me? Folk? That's exactly what I said
to him, Like yeah, I'm just saying like if he
want to get it, tell him get up with us.
I said, Bro, I'm sure they know how they find
y'all and get that shit back if they want. And

(51:52):
I'm walking off and he said some shit like yeah, cause, nigga,
we was just just just telling you, like, bro, you
a little too aggressive, like we take your shit. I
ain't even had no jury on or nothing. I just
looked back and walked off like that's one of them.
But that's one of the hardest things to do, to
walk away for real, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like I had to grow into that person. Was like

(52:13):
I know for a fact, I got ten shopping bags
in my hand. I dropped these shopping bags and we'll
just tear this whole fucking all up. I really do
that with y'all. Two of y'all, and it's two of
me and my homie, you know what I'm saying. And
I had to tell him, like come on, we're gone, bro,
like it ain't really worth it, not feeling I don't
have no point to prove for real, like you gotta
really get me out of my element or put your

(52:35):
hands on me and call some physical harm. And I
know that y'all really not on that type of time
because I just turned my back on y'all and.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
You walked on.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
So if y'all really wanted to do something.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Y'all here, y'all really want to do something y'all, y'all
would even exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
But it's like when I turned around, I never looked back, literally,
I never looked back to see if they follow me
and nothing. I really made them part of my whole
back And it's like that shit is that's growth, Like
I never that person, like because you never give up,
Never that person for real, Like I'm not finna turn
around on y'all. I'm not finna just walk off after
you just saying you would take my ship, would like

(53:09):
take what what you're talking about, what you want to
do in here right now? I would not cared about
my clothes that I just about none of this ship.
You feel what I'm saying, Like I had to grow
into that person. It took years to do that, you
feel I'm saying. I'm saying all that to say Vaughn
hadn't became that person yet to just like let shit
go sweep it under the road, like he couldn't let that. Yeah,
like whatever whatever was on his mind was on his

(53:31):
mind where he just felt like, all right, bet, I'm
finna just go do what I gotta do.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Knowing that if you live like that, you gotta always
always have both eyes, not one eye, both eyes, three eyes.
Are you surprised that hit somebody they were able to
get to drop on him like they.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Did, No, I'm not, because that's that's just how shit happened,
you know what I'm saying, That it happened like that,
and like super quick. I didn't seen that happen a
hundred times, not just to him, So no, I wasn't.
I wasn't surprised at all. I was just really just
heartbroken bad for real, because like once it once shit happened.

(54:11):
It's nothing you could do, regardless of have of your
homies react or whatever. What's done is done to him
is already ain't coming back exactly. So it's like when
when you understand that, like I didn't seen it so
many times, so it's like I know, and this is
just my mentality though to be honest, Like I always
feel like something is going to happen to me anyway

(54:32):
when I walk out the house, I'm already in feeling
like I don't I don't put it. I'm not putting
it in the air, like I don't feel like somebody
gonna do something to me. But I just know the
possibilities like it can't happen. So that's what keep me
on my square, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm
not gonna get into a fist fight at a club.
I'm not gonna get into a fist fight at the mall.
I'm not gonna because I got to get home to

(54:52):
my kids. So it's like I'm already gonna go to
the highest level. Like that's what I mean by like
I'm already feeling like something is gonna happen to me.
I'm afraid that's what I'm saying, Like it's okay to
be afraid. I think being scary is gonna get you
home every time. You fee what I'm saying, Like I
don't care about that, Like I tellically I'm scared because
I'm gonna react like I'm scared. You knowe what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Do you feel even though you've been you're like, bro,
I done moved away from that.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
That ain't that ain't even that it's in me. I
just want you to know it's in me. But I
don't want him to come. I ain't even hon that
type of time. I don't want to at all. But
you gotta. And this is the real the part about
it though, for real, Like I feel like when you
become that person, they just pull at you, like yeah,

(55:39):
especially people who from waym they do get it out you.
They know how to get it out you. And it's
like it's a full time job to like not react
and not crash out, Like let people say stuff, lets
people say certain things because I'm always always been a
kind of guy, like I really go show love, Like
when I'm back home, I do events, I do stuff

(56:00):
for the kids, for the community. You feel what I'm
saying I go out, I enjoy myself. All my homies
who want to come out, we can go to the
club and do all that kind of stuff. So I know,
responding negativity because it's like I'm outside too much, right
and you will see me. I don't want to bring
that type of energy on myself. You feel what I'm saying.
So it's like once you see it, you will see stuff.

(56:20):
It might make you upset, you seeing stuff on the internet.
You want to look at the comments and all that shit,
but you can't really let it affect you because you're
putting it on you, Like you're putting too much of
that energy on you, and people will just try to
try you and just make a name for themself. I
haven't seen it so many times where it's like, yeah,
you could change an elevate and say I don't want
to be that person no more. But you gotta stay sharp.

(56:43):
You have to because in the instant, in the instant,
it happens.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
So it's like you g they know you, bro, that
ain't own him, that's in him. Yeah he really liked that. Yeah,
And so you like, go go to your weight.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
You got people who will really like know that and
crash because they don't got none to live for, right,
They like they don't really even dan they care about
their life that much. Yeah, if you don't give it
down here, like he want me to do something to him,
damn there. Just so it's like I could my life up,
I could go to jail or possibly die anything. Like
people really want you to stoop down to their level

(57:17):
a lot, like especially coming from Chicago. You know what
I'm saying, Like I see it a lot on and
seen it so many times. And what I'm saying about
like staying sharp is like you don't have to become
the aggressor in a situation, but you gotta create boundaries.
Like as soon as somebody cross that line, you gotta
take it there. That's the only way that it's gonna

(57:37):
really like resolve, in my opinion, somebody cross that line
and say certain ship. Like my mama always told me,
somebody tell you they're crazy believe. So it's like if
somebody say something to me, I'm automatically on radar and
I'm ready to like take it to the highest level
because it's like why you even trying me. I gotta
I gotta make it home. So we're not Finna. It's
not Finna, be no in between each between. Who want

(57:58):
to take it? Yeah, if you want to take it there,
we're gonna take it all the way there, man, or
we're just not gonna take it there at all. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Jeez, I mean we usually like he crazy, like play
play crazy or get a check crazy, you know, diferents.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Now for show that's definitely like this, two different cans,
two different can like and a lot of people get
a check crazy, like a lot of people really like
you know what I'm saying, Like and I seen I
know it, Like in Chicago, it's like that place is different,
like anybody, the craziest looking person you will never think

(58:33):
of really do something to you. So it's like you
gotta just stay on.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
What doesn't that get tired?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Hell yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean because you
what that movie Bumpy Johnson with a with whispers, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
He's like, I'm tired, Yes, I'm tired. Yeah, that's one
of my favorite movies ever.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I'm like, bro, I mean, have you ever had a
peaceful night sleep? Can you resk? Can you just lay
down it? Like, don't get in a rem sleep.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
You know. The only time I really sleep like that
is when I'm home with my girl, with my kids,
like for real, even on the road, like I still
had nightmares a lot, bro like nightmares like sleep paralysis,
Like it'd be hard for me, Like my girl'll be
waking me up sometimes she's like, man, what's wrong with you?
Shall Are you crying? Or sleep you jumping? Like yeah,
feel me like all of that kind of stuff, And

(59:30):
I hate it though I'm not gonna lie. I don't
like it at all, you feel what I'm saying. And
I didn't try it all of you know, I got
a real nonprofit where I get therapy to all types
of kids. I didn't try therapy myself. I'm still, you know,
believe in therapy and try to have sessions as much
as I can, you feel I'm saying, But it's like
it don't really help for real for real, especially with
like sleep and stuff like that. Like I got bad insomnia.

(59:53):
I'll be up all night all night and I might
get a couple hours of sleep. And I feel like though,
in my opinion, the only way is gonna kind of
like change, I'm going to have to really retire and
not deal with people and not deal with the ship
that I deal with on the It's a long time.
So it's like, I probably don't get no good night

(01:00:13):
of sleep until I'm fifty years older, fifty five years old.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Don't worry about it. You don't get no good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Trust.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
You had a friend that reportedly was killed. I think
he was shot at the barbershop.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, that's who I like, that was my best friend.
But I called him my little brother. Who that's who's
mad at me about the show?

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, obviously you say that was your
best friend.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
You called it, you know, like of your little brother.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
When you got that news, what what some of the
emotions you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Started to feel? Honestly, that was probably one of the
worst days of my life for sure. Like I I
never felt that like shock and hurt and disappointment like
when it happened, and you know, it's so crazy. He
probably he mighta got killed eleven am Chicago time, So

(01:01:20):
that's like nine ayem in la. I'm fresh coming from
the studio, Me and him texting paragraphs at four am.
Like our last conversation was really just us telling each
other how much we love each other and had like, man, bro,
you know I don't want nothing from you. I never
wanted nothing from you. I just want you to like win.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I just want the best, pay you nothing from you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That was the last conversation we hit talking like that
you feel what I'm saying. So I'm on a couch
sleep at home, and this girl hit me like, I'm
so sorry about your brother. Like it's this girl that
do like philanthropy, work in Chicago, you feel I'm saying.
And her brother worked at the barbershop, so she knew

(01:02:00):
already right as soon as it happened. You feel me.
And I'm like what. I'm like, what're you talking about?
I'm so sorry about him? I'm like what I got mad?
I ain't even say nothing. I didn't like respond back
to nothing. And then right after that, I get a
call from one of my homies like yeah, look at
I just got shot in the barbershop. And it's like
I just lost it. I got up and I started praying.

(01:02:23):
I had my knees to start praying like please, please,
please just let him pull through this shit, like pretty please?
You feel what I'm saying. And at that moment, I
couldn't think straight, Like the only thing I could do
was get on the plane in Chicago. Like I got
on the plane, like I had to, Like I didn't
even feel right being in LA and you know, he
just passed away. So it's like I had to like

(01:02:47):
like really, it was just all I felt was like anger,
like I wanted to do something like retaliate, you know
what I'm saying, like me being who I am, g
Herbo and start really went to Chicago and just like
I lost my mind for it was like him, he
ain't never like that wasn't him, you feel I'm saying, Like,
don't get me wrong. Yeah he's the street through he

(01:03:08):
was in the streets with us, but that just wasn't him.
And I really felt like somebody did that to him
to hurt me, like that was the whole thing. And
I said it a lot, and you know it's so crazy.
His grandma, who I call my grandma, like that's my grandma,
still talk to us as much as possible. I go

(01:03:29):
see whatever she needed, Like that's really to his family.
I'm the closest thing to him like that they even
have you feel what I'm saying, and you know, his
kids is my god kids or it's like that's my
real deal. Family. I lived with him, I lived in
their house when I ain't had nothing. It's like I

(01:03:52):
felt like I was responsible for his death for a
long time and it happened in twenty twenty one. And
I didn't even I used to drink at all, Like
I used to drink for sure, Like I didn't drink.
I wasn't even. I was just like niggas just smoke
get hat like, yeah, me either, but we made it
up a lost has like I was. I was one

(01:04:13):
of them guys. Was like I drink once a year,
twice a year. Maybe you know what I'm saying. And
one cup but gave me drunk. This is our third cup.
You feel I ain't no rookie no more. But I'm
saying that to say, like and I don't. I don't
even like I don't even care, Like I'm gonna just
be honest. Like when I when I went to Chicago,

(01:04:35):
I went like on time and like I took a
hoodie I had, I had packed all types of crazy ship.
I was finna go to Chicago just like I was
ready to throw I was ready to throw my life
away for real. I drove my track hout to one
of my my man's crib in La who I like
was in business with and just talking to him, and

(01:04:59):
I had the suitcase in the back of my track
out and when he was upstairs talking and he like, man,
you need a drink. Gave me a drink. I took it,
and I'm like a real like I don't believe in coincidence,
Like I'm a real spiritual person. When I'm on my head,

(01:05:20):
I'm like, bro, I can't believe I'm trying to go
back to Chicago. That's when I know he was dead.
That's when I found out he was dead already. I'm like, bro,
I'm going to go back to Chicago. This shit, Like
I really was ready to like just throw my life away.
I really didn't give for real when that shit happened.
I looked out the window. I seen like two hundred
birds flying like just right out the window, like it's

(01:05:43):
a flock of birds, so many birds. I'm like, damn, man,
little bro with us, but go to heaven like you
feel like in my head, I'm like, fuck it, man,
I ain't even finna go back and crash out like
me seeing them birds go up and it's just like
it to calm me down. Yeah, in a way like
for real. Even the first, like literally the very first

(01:06:06):
when it happened, I ain't even got on the plane yet.
I'm still like I took like three shots of Hennessy
and I'm still in my head. I'm still angry, of course,
but I'm like, damn looking at these birds while I'm
thinking about this shit, Like damn, man, you know, it
just my head up, like I ain't finna crash out.
But I get on the plane still, and I left

(01:06:27):
the whole suitcase. That's how you know, my mind racing.
I left the whole suitcase in my track. I got
in a black truck to the airport. I didn't even
grab a suitcase out of my bag, I mean out
of my car. And I get on the plane. I
go to sleep, and I swear to God, I had
a dream that meet him and his baby, his second
baby mama. He got to two way mama, Me and
him and his second baby. Mama was just walking around

(01:06:49):
the neighborhood, going door to door like asking who killed him?
And he with me like met him and his baby mama,
just ask him like yeah, who killed bro? But he
right there with me, asking who killed him? You see
what I'm saying, And it's like I don't know that
ship my head up. I got off the plane, like damn,
I just head this is crazy ass dream. Like I
go straight to his grandma house and see a start crying,

(01:07:10):
hug and shit. I'm just like, man, you ain't like
you ain't got to worry about nothing, Like you know
what I'm saying, like, yeah, he gone, but you got me.
I promise him always be there, Like you know what
I'm saying, I'm gonna be there for his kids, Like
I took on that role and responsibility like no matter what,
how big, how much my career is hectic, like I'm

(01:07:31):
will always be there for his family. You know what
I'm saying. It's like I can't do that if I
crash out. So it's like I just took on that
responsibility of being the closest thing to him, you know,
for his family, and I'm grateful for that. I appreciate
that when I hear that, because that was somebody that
I love unconditionally, and I know his family loved me,
and it's like I feel like they when they tell

(01:07:55):
me that, like, man, like you the closest thing we
have to him, like we need you, like these kids
need you. You know what I'm saying. So it's like I
just took on that role, and of course it's a
part of me is gone forever. And I feel like,
no matter what I do or how much success I get,
I never really could enjoy it for real because I

(01:08:15):
always wanted to share it with me. Yeah, here, you
feel what I'm saying. Like I was thinking about when
I get thirty and forty, if I ever win a Grammy.
Just certain shit, it's like it's not gonna really feel
right because I wanted to enjoy it with him, and
I always get them little thoughts and flashbacks in my
head and stuff like that. But it turned me into
a different person. Man, I fell into alcoholism crazy, Like

(01:08:37):
I was down in the whole fifth a day, like
by myself, literally every single day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Like I'm glad you pulled out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, I was stretched out. I turned into a totally
different person, like and I just hed I just had
my second son, like I turned into like man, it
was I don't know. I was just like a different person,
Like I really felt like I couldn't be your father,
Like the way I wanted to be Like I was
so stretched out and so depressed. Was like I didn't

(01:09:06):
want to be home because I didn't want my girl
to see me that week, Like I was at my weakest,
in my lowest, So I got to be outside and
ride around, to go cry, go to clubs and just
do stupid ass shit just to get my mind off
of what was what I was really thinking about for real.
But I definitely pulled out of it. And one of
the conversations that helped me was a conversation with his grandma,

(01:09:28):
and she told me the real She told me the
ugly that I really didn't want to hear. She like
she really looked at me and said, yeah, my grandson
and died because of you. Everybody really know that he
got killed because somebody wanted to hurt me, Like, oh yeah,
this is her best friend, Like gonna do something to him, right,
you feel me? And when she told me that she
liked because she's seen me just slipping through the cracks

(01:09:52):
getting drunk. Heard that she like, you better not fee
your life up, Like all we got is you, Like
you better make something of your life. I know how
much he loved you, believe in you, like I don't. Okay,
we hurting, you all hurting, but it's like you're not
gonna let him that for nothing. You better be the
best you could be and that shit really like, maybe
snap out of it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.

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