Club Shay Shay - Paul Pierce Part 2 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You
said something very interesting, you said, it takes more than
one great player to win a championship. You see Lebron
leave Cleveland and then go to Miami, team up with
d Wade, team up with bog but it's still it

(00:21):
took a battier making shots. It took a Mike Miller
making shots. It took a real check of making shots.
Can you explain to people that watch the game of basketball,
love the game of basketball?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Why is it?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Why and how it's so difficult to win a championship
because you play, I mean all the eighty two games
and you know, a Tuesday night game, Man, I don't
feel like it, but somehow you gotta summon it up
to give it everything that you got.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Why is it so difficult to win an NBA time?
Because you have to be good and lucky, Like there's
going to be an element of luck involved in every
championship run in year. And what I mean by that
is health is a thing, yep. Because if you think
about it, like Toronto is not beating Golden State of

(01:11):
KD healthy absolutely not right. And there's just certain things
that happen along the route that it's just like like
if Kawhi misses that shot that bounces off the like
just like a luck is a major factor and health,
like if you're one of the league. I always say this,

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say like Paul, who's gonna win the championship? So every
year you got about four or five teams that can
win it realistically win it. So I say, all right,
whatever team is the healthiest at the end will win.
So like, look at okc's run. They win seven games
with Denver, uh the kids strains his hamstring? What's this name? Gordon?

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I'm thinking, like, man, they pushed them to. If he's healthy,
it's gonna be tough. And look at Indiana. How lucky
was he? Them shots boom going, Like it's an element
in all of this. I think he had like three
game winning game winners that win and then they go seven.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
They go seven with Indiana, but he tears as achilles
early in the game.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
So you who knows? Who like this? OKC beat a
healthy Boston team, right, you know who knows? So I mean,
it is what it is, and it's part of the game.
So I always say that luck is an element. I
feel like in twenty ten, if Perkins don't tear his
a cl We got somebody that we can put on
gassal to where because CSAR went crazy on us in

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game seven? Yes, and so I feel like, man, man,
maybe they got lucky, right, you know. So it's it's
always something, you know. So I feel like those are
the two big reasons you win or you don't.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Being around the game following the game, you still study
the game. Has there been a player ever been as
criticized as Lebron.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
James never like the pressure that was, Like I told
you earlier in this common.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You said when you were in the locker youth in
the All Star Game in Philly and they say, there's
a seventeen year old kid that's in high school that
can play in this game right now.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's the hype he was getting and under these conditions
with the social media and to be ever to live
up to it. Like when you look at all the
great athletes all through time, and you know, people will
say I don't like Lebron, That's not true. I'll have
much respect for Lebron like Lebron. Y'll have battles like Lebron.

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Is the reason I am Hawaiian, right, you know, like
I became a better player playing against him. And what
I will say, there's nobody in the history of the
game that's been this hype that's lived up to it
and serve passid and had to carry so much weight

(04:02):
on his shoulders politically, athletically, and then be under the
microscope to how be a household citizen like he has
no blemishits yet, Like yeah, and he has no marshals.
Think about all our great athletes, Ali had his you know,
Russell went through his magic went through. Jordan had his

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thing with the gambling, and like every Floyd Mayweather had
his issues, go with the jail, Tyson, all the great,
great greats at the top went through something. Lebron is
twenty something years in and I don't see no blimitshit.
That's incredible to me because I had to really sit
back at it, Like then, you know, Cob deal with

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this thing in Colorado, got past that, like he ain't
what do he deal with man Maben model citizen Like
even if there's some speculative rumors they ain't nationally whatever
whatever he deal with behind it, whatever, who cares? But
to add to go through your career, how he's went through.

(05:07):
It is incredible. Man.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I tell people at the time, I say, no matter
what you thought he would be, he superseded, he became
that and more. Ain't nobody you thought he was like, yeah,
he good, he really good. But you ain't thought this
man is gonna be no. Four time League MVP, no
four times Finals MVP would play this many years, be
the all because people thought Kareem's record was gonna be
untouchable because Biggs, because you know big. After Kareem got Hey,

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they woul Kareem get the rebound passing out. Imagine whole
that thing up. All right, get on down there, go
get that camp and throw it to him. He's a
wing guy. Guys, he's supposed to play that long play
that well, pete true. That ain't supposed to happen. I
don't care what anybody say. You not supposed to play
twenty three years, twenty two years and play at the level.
The man was an All NBA selection. The Man was

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sixty MVP voting in year twenty two, and he's still
regarded as a top ten player.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm just trying to think, like if I was given
the nickname Truth my rookie year and I made one
All Star game, I'll be getting killed. Like he had
the nickname King from day one and lived up to it. Yes,
you know, think about nobody got their nickname. Only one

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that got their nickname early was magic that he had
that high school, lived up to it, Yes, Like who
had a nickname as a rookie coming in and lived
up to it, Like we all got our nicknames like
Allen Irvers. And the answer got is when he became
the end writer and he got in when he got
that big contract. He got a big contract, like the

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nicknames didn't coming to you really did something right, you know,
he got us before he actually did something and lived
up to it. So that's crazy right there.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Those battles that you had with Lebron, you say it
helped shape who you became. And you knew that you
had had to go through Cleveland when he was on
Cleveland in order to get to where you wanted to go,
the destination you had to go through, you had to
go through the King.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well yeah, I mean I'm not a top seventy five
player today if I don't have battles with him and
having those types of game sevens right and playoff moments
against him. I'm not a Hall of Famer, if you know,
I don't do those things against him and Kobe. Like,
so that's why I say, like, you know, me being
able to put on that jacket, he was a big

(07:29):
part of that, right. You know, you got to you
gotta go through some real battles with some real players,
like to really get that kind of credibility. You know, Yeah,
I was an All Star player, but you gotta have
shining moments versus you do. You know, Verst the best,
and when you do that, then you get verified. And

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so I needed him, and I think he needed me
too for sure, Like because when I look at it,
like we was putting him out the playoffs and that
critical game six and uh in Boston that it had.
If he loses that game, that.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Changes, Oh yeah, he's not thought of.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
He's not thought of in the light that he's thought.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Of now changes after losing the weight and losing in
the fashion that they lost the breed here in the
Dallas and to come back and to lose in sixth game,
and yeah, but it was that game that now it
rein Like, Okay, now we see why people call him that.
Now we see why forty five and fifteen. Nobody expected that.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, but like that was a game where he went
in to a hostile environment. We win that game, we
go back to the finals. Yes, so he went there
there he had to have the mindset where people was like,
he's not he doesn't have the killer, his stint, he's
not clutched. It was all these things being said about him.
He erected all that in that game and then in
in game seven when they beat us in Miami, because

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he had like, well he had forty that game too.
So like when you start having games like that, it
bills that. Yeah, billst in you now. So like when
I start hitting game winners, I feel like I hit
them all the time.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Hey, let's run
this pan down, Let's run this player to p let.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Pee come up bout this thing.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
So now that aura in them, I felt like it grew. Yeah,
going going through Boston and having that type of game. Wow,
you get to your first finals. Unfortunately you got to
play your hometown team. You got a team that you
grew up thinking about. You saw magic with all those titles,
you saw the Cap and Caribe and word that, all those.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
You grew up.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You understand the tradition of the Los Angeles Lakers, but
you also understand the rivalry that is the Los Angeles
Lakers and the Boston Celtics. So now, like, damn, I
wouldn't have it any other way, Boston versus the Lakers.
But they got a mofo over there that wear that number.
He was twenty four at the time. I say, he's

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twenty four.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Twenty four? Like, man, why.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Could I get somebody else that's a little easy to
get me on.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
The top And Shannon, you know this, like to win
RESTful it is. It's like because like people don't take
into an account I'm not I'm not talking to family members.
I'm not. I'm like, I'm you locked them. I'm so
locked in that it is putting stress on my my
wife and kids because I don't want to sleep in

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the same room now because I want to be over
here and now I lose a game. Now I'm not
talking to nobody Like it's so stressful and it puts
a strain on the people around you. And that's the
part that don't get talked about it right, Like it's
more than a game.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
It is you got that seven times been in the
Super Bowl with one game. So my family's coming, the
kids are coming. I go see them for like thirty
minutes that Thursday when they arrived. After that, my mom,
everybody said, y'all not gonna see your dad until after
the game. Ain't nobody gonna call me until after the
game because I'm focused. I on need to Hey, go

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to Sea World, go to disney Land, go wherever y'all
want to go. Hey, it's on me, But don't call
me unless it's an absolute emergency.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Somebody going to the hospital. I don't hear nothing, just
the rise and fall of the motions. It is damn
all right. We beat Lebron all right, now we got
cold king cole Man. It's like you can't sleep some night.
You gotta figure out, Like man, you know you up
washing take you? Then you in the whole day, think

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this party. I'll talk about you in the hotel. They
might people yelling outside the hotel. It's all kinds of
things that can distract you. It's like, that's like, but
I wouldn't have wanted no other way, you know, for
me as a kid growing up in ehinglehood to play
the Lakers, a team that I grew up a fan,

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and then now I'm a part of this history of
Boston in l a like I couldn't have asked it
to be any other white. It was almost story book,
Like damn, I'm really playing the Lakers in the finals,
Like I'm a be part of this forever.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Let me ask you this because I've heard and not
just in basketball, but I've heard this in football too.
I've heard guys said that when they want a championship,
it's not what they thought it would be.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Like, is this it.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
When you won the championship? Was it everything that you
thought it would be?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
It was everything and more. I built my whole life
around this. Like it's just like I don't know who
say stuff like that, but like when I dedicate my
life to this, yes, and for just this one moment,
even if it was only for like that night or whatever,
I can say this for the rest of my life,
it was everything and more. I still feel it when

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I go to Boston. It's cheers when I look up
and I see that batter. It's not going nowhere, never
a part of this. When I when I go to
There's the Bill is on us. It's every thinking more
than I thought it was gonna be because I didn't know.
I mean, the feeling is there, but when you it's
getting it's constantly like you still feeling like it's been

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seventeen years, yes since I won, and it's still every
time I'm in the city, it's still like we wanted yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Because to be a part of it Denver, I was
a part of the first one to win a championship
in Denver, went back to back. I went to Baltimore,
or was the first to win there. You when you
put and that's what I don't know how you feel
because I and I always I like to ask athletes.
They was like, man, when you lost, I said, Man,
it broke me, I said, because I knew how I said.

(13:42):
Things hurt when you put so much into it, When
you put so much of your time, your energy and
effort into something and it doesn't work out. It don't
just have to be sports. It can be a relationship,
it can be a business. The more you put something,
the more you put into something.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
The more it hurt when it does work.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Man, look here, I still I lost to Jacksonville in
ninety six.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I still ain't got over it. It's been thirty years. Yeah,
I ain't got over twenty ten and stuff. Damn we
up in the fourth quarter, Like it's still.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Because you know what you put into it. You know
how many time you ran those dudes. You know how
many times that you denied certain things just so you
could be the best truth you could possibly be. And
when it doesn't work, man.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's equivalent to a man being married twenty years and divorcing. Yeah,
you're like, damn, I invested all of it, all the time,
time and energy and it didn't work out. That feeling
is not a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's not because you feel like you're a failure because
what what did I do? What could Because now guess
what I gotta do, pee, I gotta play, replay it
over and over. What could I have done differently? What
should I have done differently?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Man?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
If I'd have trained, Man, if i'd have trained a
little harder, if I had lifted a little bit more
a weight. Maybe if I didn't go out that night,
maybe if I'd have studied a little. I mean all that,
it's the same.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Thing, same thing. It's crazy, it's crazy. I'll never let
it go. You know, to this day, I never watched
that game that game sevens. I haven't. I haven't watched that.
I don't I don't need to see that. I know
what happened right right, you know. Always I ain't watching that.
I ain't watching that. I know what happened, right, like

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you said.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But in that game, man, holdo, I'm just trying to
figure out how you get wheeled off in the wheelcarep.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
All right. Look, so the diagnosis is a strained meniscus.
That was the diagnosis the next day. Have you ever
strained the meniscus? I am. You know you can still
play on that, Yeah, but it hurts. It hurts, still hurt,
you know, And I don't know. And then your knee
is kind of loose. Yeah, it's oh yeah, yeah, you
don't have ability. I mean, maybe y'all cauld play on it.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's hard to play on that if you if you
a football, play all that player to cut that.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
We got it. And so when it first happened, it
was like a sharp pain. Yeah, so it was went
down my leg and I was just like, I ain't
never felt no sharp pain in my knee. And so
that's why I reacted the way I reacted. But I
didn't know the severity of it. I just felt a
sharp pain and I knew it was something so like
doctors like, oh ho, get away from them, you know

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what I mean, like, dangn pick them up, pick them up,
get the wheelchair. Everything. I ain't asked for the wheelchair.
I'm saying, hold on, get the wheelchair. You know. They
just brought it out and just and then they had
cameras all on everything, all in the hallway and everything.
So I was just like, man. When I got back
to the back, I was like, all right, hold on, man,
let me let me stand up. Let me see how

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to put weight on it. I didn't put weight on
it think about it because they carried me and I
sat down, so let me see where it's at. So
I stood up. I was like, man, I'm doing this
and it's kind of loose, but it ain't. I'm weight bearing.
And you know anything that's weight bearing you good. You know,

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because you all spring ain't gonna feel it's hard to
put the weight on you and any other injury that
when it's in your your legs, it's hard to put
the weight on. So once I put the weight on it,
I was like, it ain't this bad. Let me give
me a knee brace. It just feels like loose, like
it's gonna tear. Let me just stabilize it and and
let me see I feel. And it's the finals. I

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ain't never been to the final and it's Game one,
and I don't know if I'm ever gonna come back
to the fire. I'm ever coming back. I'm going back
out there. Doc was like, no this, I said, I
can put weight on it. I just ran out there.
I was supposed to be on the thing. He was
supposed to test it, do all this other stuff just
to make sure it wasn't nothing. I ran out of there.
It's like, no, I'm good, give me the knee brace.
And I just ran out of there. So it went

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for you to go to the bathroom. No, No, I
made a joke up on the halftime show. Cool. Why
would I go to the bathroom in the biggest game
in my life? You know what I'm saying. You never
had to go to the bathroom during it because we

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gotta go, we go on the sideline. Yeah, but I ain't, Like,
I ain't never walked off bench to go to the
bathroom really never. If I have to, it's gonna be
at half time. No, you can't wait that. I ain't
never left the bench to lose the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You end up with dropping fifteen points in the third quarter,
shooting seventy percent from the field. People like, Man, I
don't know, if I don't, I don't know, really hurt.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I love that this is gonna live forever. I love.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Against the of the A's when you hit that whole run,
that stretch out home run.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I remember that. Oh man, you you win it the
first year, and then you come back.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You're back in the finals and you're facing the same
team and it comes down to a game.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Sellers against the Mamba Hood again again. Man, that's tough,
you know, because he's talking about we got to play
the greatest and he ain't gonna just keep struggling. You
feel like, but they was built and Kobe his will
and he didn't have the best game, but he he

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turned pau gasol into power gasol.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And now because y'all neutralize him with power and then
and metal that metal royal piece.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But did he hit that shot? When when he hit
that shot? But what went through you? Mad? You know what?
I couldn't even be mad because I don't I didn't
watch the game, but I know the play because it's
it's let's think about this. You got Kobe Bryant is
Ice sold on the left wing on Ray Allen, and
this is a crucial possession. So because I think they're one,

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they're up one, so we get a stop. Were like
because Kobe known for Ice in the game right here,
So I'm like, all right, let me help off of
Meta because that's Kobe. Like, let's not forget who this is, Like,
we'll worry about him later. So when Kobe drove, I
stepped up to like, hell, no, we can't let him

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be this because he can beat us, right, They're gonna
have to prove that these other guys can beat us.
And when he hit the shot, it just proved that
he had other guys that can beat us, right, So
I couldn't even be mad, you know that, Ron, because
he was struggling from three all series long, so I
just like he had a late contested three. Then hats off.
Couldn't even be mad because I'm not. We can't let

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this dude, Yes, anybody but Kobe, anybody, because we know
he can beat us. Yes, he's beating too many teams.
So it was just like damn. And we had to
lead most of the game. I think you got the game.
I think we led like ninety percent of the game.
Like it was unreal. I can't even you mentioned Game seven.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Is it fair that Doc receives criticism for the Game
seven that he lost?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
He's lost them to the Clippers? He lost?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Uh, you guys have a three to two lead in
that series because they went back for both games and
they won Game six in Game seven? Is it fair
that Doc received the criticisms that he received from losing
Game seven?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
No coach in NBA history has lost more Game seven? Really? Really? Nope? Oh?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I remember they think that they lost the really the
one that really is that when they had them beads
hard and they I think it was and they lost
to the Hawks. Remember they lost to the Hawks? The
yeah when Ben when Ben Simmons wouldn't take that shot?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh damn? Oh right right?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yes, yes? And then they have another one. I think
who did they lose to? They might have lost to
the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Uh, yeah, said the Celtics in a game in a
Game seven? Yeah, a couple of years ago. Yeah, yeah,
I think so. But the thing is, like I would
say this about the NBA, and it's different from football,
like you can have a player carry you to a win.
One player is good enough, your best player to say,

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come on, guys, I get you know what I'm saying.
You didn't seen it too. I got this tonight. We
didn't see Dirk the whiskey do it to the heat,
like y'all get on my back. Like and then when
you get to the game seven and really coaching is
out the window. It's like they know all our players,
you know, they the Sky report. This comes down to

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your stars. Yes all Game seven comes down to your
stars and point blank period. So it ain't I can't
put that on Doc. You know I could put the
three one blown series leads on Doc when he you
know he's been up three one. Yeah he blown like
two or three.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Clippers and the nugget he had that with the magic
against the Pistons Trady McGrady, remember, because Tracey was.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Like, yeah, I like to go to the second round.
Like that's on the coach and the player then, but
like game seven is on your best player strength for me,
like they got to step up and bring you home.
We need some clarification.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
The re ally Ray decides to go to the Heat,
right you kg Rondo, are you got Are you upset
that he left? Or are you upset party? You might
be upset that he left, but it didn't have more
to do with where he left and went.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Two. Absolutely, it was absolutely where he went. You gotta understand,
we've been battle on the Lebron for the last four
or five years. Yeah, so now it's there our rival,
right like the Heat on our rival, it's Lebron's you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, So like, dude, we just
played them in the playoffs a year ago, Like, you

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can't go play with them.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
So you don't want him to go help them, help
him get a championship?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, No, that ain't how this work. Nah, I would
have I would have been better off him going to
the Lakers. And that's our biggest rum. Damn. I would
have been cooler with him doing that. So you so, Ray?
If so?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
If Ray, let's say, you know what a man, look,
I'm leaving, you know, blah blah blah, I'm going to Lake.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm going to join Kobe. You cool with that? If
we had that conversation and it was like a conversation,
I think the biggest issue Shannon was. We didn't have
no conversation with him. Listen, we and I tell this
story all the time. We we was a brotherhood when
you win, and you know, our wives, our friends and

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our kids, our friends were doing family stuff, Halloween giving
and for you to abruptly leave without a conversation like hey,
I'm thinking about you know doing this. We built something here,
Like is there something like if there was an issue
with contract, maybe there's something I could talk to Danny
about our wig like lean on us first, like to

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us to wake up and hear it right, like that's
the issue I had. And me and m had that conversation.
I was like, damn, we couldn't even get a phone
call or nothing, like is it something we could have done?
Like we could have maybe talked to Doc if the
contract it wasn't to your lifely or whatnot. You didn't
like your role on the team, like something like what
is it? You know, maybe we can help, but like

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to just like get up, leave a house, don't don't
tell us where you're going, and we see where you at.
You know, Mama didn't like that. You know, I couldn't
do that. The rumor had it that Ray was looking
for homes when he while during the Miami series the
year before, Like before, this was the rumor that we

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were playing Miami in the playoffs the year before. While
we was down there, he was already looking at houses.
I mean, Miami is nicey, Like, you can't be in
a series you already checked out?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
No, no, I ain't checked out, but you know, Mama
would have been in Miami. The weather's nice. I don't
want to live in most a year round.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You already in this series, Like there's some bullshit, I'm
coming to play for them next year? Who were battling.
You think he was upset with his role. I think
he was upset with his role and then went to
Miami and got the same role. If Race stayed, we
could have won too. I feel like you feel you

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failed at that point in time.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
If Ray comes back, y'all had y'all are equipped to
deal with the lebron.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, you got understand. We went back to the
Eastern Conference finals. Yeah two years like we went to
the finals twenty ten, But then we played them again
in the conference finals like two or three years later
in Miami. Yeah remember that. Yeah, Yeah, so we was
equipped for a few more years if he stayed right.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So that's it's funny how you guys used to handle
disagreements involveten. It reported that there was a disagreement between
Reality and Rondo for sure, and you brought boxing gloves.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, and you're like, okay, settle it. Man. We was
having a lot of tension at the time in the
locker room and it was like little clicks. You know
their teams be you click, you're clicking up, and you know,
we was in the We was in the situation. Our
team was built old young. The young guys kicked it.
The old guy kicked it, so we felt they old
The young guys was like, y'all, don't mess with us

(27:25):
no more. You know what I'm saying. Because something happened,
Shan like, something happened.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
We was on the road one day and something got
back to the wife. He's talking. Man, it was some
pillowtop going on to where it was messing with the
locker room. Oh for show. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
It came from the young guys. So the old heads,
we was like, man, we we gotta just move like
this now, you know what I'm saying. We had to

(27:53):
move different now man, They like, man, why we don't
mess y'all, don't mess with the young dudes. And then nah,
y'all talking, y'all pillow talking yeah, And so then KG
got into it with Perk, Rondo got into a rail
or something. It was just like a division dy. It
was just too much going on. It was just like, man,
all right, we're gonna get your issue off. I brought
these gloves. I had an issue. At the time. We

(28:16):
had another dude on our team named Patrick O'Brien, So
I started off first. I said, all right, we're gonna
get our issue off. Let's put these gloves on because
I got an issue with you. We put the gloves on, right,
so no, no, we're gonna go three minutes. So then
next So then we didn't know that Big Baby had
an issue with Tony Islan, So down Big Baby and

(28:38):
Tody Allen they get they they get their issue, all right,
who next, Rondo?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I want them me and right, I want them.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Come on, let's get it off. And when I tell you,
I was right there. Man. You remember you just watched
that fight Canelo, but Cadeloi, Budd, you were that ninth
round whiw Bud came out ninth round Fronto came out
like that with conviction. He wanted to like he missed
all of them. Yeah, but but he was trying to

(29:11):
tear red head off if he had a connected on
one of them. Bro man, man, I'm glad he didn't
connect on one of them because he was swinging with
some conviction I'm talking about. It wasn't no jabs, it was.
It wasn't no jaz.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
D throw one hit a quitter, whoa And I was
just like, damn, okay, you got that.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
We got this up. We gotta break this up. This
is if somebody connect, this is gonna get out of control.
So we broke it up. But yeah, they had a
little issue, and you know.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
They did they men once they got past that. So
it was was it better after that or they still
had friction?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It was friction still. You know. The report was is
that Ray Warner Chris Paul Oh, I don't know that.
I maybe so it was like yeah, and I think
it got back to Rondo. Yeah that's one of them.
But it was a lot of other stuff I believe
that Ray was doing because I think you know, Ray
would often go to Doc and be like you know,

(30:13):
Rondo not give me rock. And I used to be like, right,
you just go to Rondo, yeah, because I used to
be like, Rondo run thatack like come on dog, like
like come on dog, hey we got it, Like come on, man,
don't go to yeah to go to him, yeah, like
go to him, yeah, because I'll just go right to
Ronto sitting right here like Ndo, come on, man, what

(30:36):
were we doing out here? Right? You know what I'm saying?
That was? That was like all right, I got you?
All right? Cool.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
We see Ray's personality is not like yours. See raydon
confrontational to go to the coach, Hey, coach handle back
and didn't. But see Rondo go realize where it's coming from.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah. Yeah, but Ray is not as controversial. But he's political. Yeah,
so you can politically talk to Ron like you can
use them words to way he understand. Like me and
Rondo might have a shouting match, but we're gonna get
over it, you can. You gonna talk better to him
than me, and he, like yours, gonna come off different.
We're gonna shout it out and then we're gonna be

(31:16):
cool though. But that's I mean, that's how we are.
But you guys.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And then there was a ceremony, I think the championship
ceremony that and Ray didn't come back for oh maybe
or maybe there's something that he was You guys didn't
invite him back.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
No oh oh, it was something Ray didn't come to.
It was a few things Ray didn't come to me,
I'm telling you. And that's what made the relationship to
because when Rondo first re signed this new deal, we
all had a get together fum at a restaurant. He
didn't show up.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Look at the man tried to tear my head off.
I ain't coming pee. I'm not gonna be honest with.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
A team thing though, and so like all that built
up to men I might have came and kicked the
whole kick over. So we he just felt like, no
matter your relationship, like we got to support our ch other. Okay,
I see it. Just if I got a bowl in
the van, y'all got to ye for sure if they're
doing this, like, come on, everybody support each other. We
on the same we're trying to win, bro, Like you
ain't got to stay long, right, you know. And that's

(32:14):
you know, and that's that was kind of like the
beginning of the breakup with all of us, and it
was just like, man, I wish we could have stayed
together for more years.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
You mentioned one of your former teammates, Glenn Big Baby Davis,
and he had enough part of the situation where got
involved with some activities and now he finds himself in
federal prison. How difficult is it to see, if you know?
For me, it's very difficult to see my former teammates
when they fall on hard times because I remember, you know,
I choose to remember the great time that we have

(32:44):
in the locker rooms, on the bus, on the planes,
laughing and joking on the practice field, and to see
him going through what he's going through.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
How difficult is that? You peak? Man, You hate to see,
you know a few things when you're done playing that
you've accomplished so much with people. You hate to see,
you know, them go broke, you know, and need something
from you because I'm always willing to help. You. Hate
to see them go to jail, which is happened in
this situation. And I haven't had a chance to talk

(33:13):
to Big Baby. I would love to like reach out,
you know, I've had a few teammates go to jail. Actually,
and you know sometimes like it's hard to communicate because
you got the letter writing and the visitations, you got
to do so much, and then they in other states,
and so you try to just talk through other people.
You can get the mess closer to family members. But

(33:34):
you hate to see that type of stuff because of
the bonds you built. You built, and you hate to
see people fall on tough times. And you know, hopefully
this makes him stronger, because like him going in, he
seemed like he was on some positive vibes. He didn't
seem like very because he was all on Instagram, and
you never know, Instagram covers up a lot of our emotions. Yeah,

(33:56):
you know, it covers up who we really.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Are because instink. I'm broke because everybody live, everybody got
coloring in, everybody got everybody.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm like, what damn they doing that? I right, I'm like,
well damn y'all got it like that right right?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Everybody everybody happy, Everybody in a happy relationship. Pete, everybody
been mad for ten fifteen years. They got the woman
of their dream, They got the man of their dream.
The family is great. I was like, come on now, nah,
what you see on now? And what you see in person.
That's two different entirely that makeup come off. You know,
we know what's under that makeup.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
KG.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You mentioned that you guys had a great relationship, and
everybody talk about how you know, how intense he is
and how much he talks.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Could you tell when KG was getting on the people's skin. Yeah,
I mean, dude, KG, just it's just an intimidating force,
just like looking at him like man like his aura. Yeah,
like he got a whole aura him, like just walking
in the room. And then if he started barking at

(35:03):
you and saying stuff, it's just like you gotta understand
a lot of the And he do it to the
younger guys too. A lot of the younger guys looked
up to him. They did, and it was just like,
you know, I didn't heard some stuff like oh is
that true what he told?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
What he told Joe Kim Noah, because he was like, hey, man,
I admy you man, the way you play, he said, man,
get on, get off.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
My d bath. I was right there. I was like
he said that for real, peat man, man dog Joe
Kim and they made up since them and we laugh
about it, and Joe Kim is cool. So we was
at the free throw line. He was like, Man, I'm
sitting right there. I heard the whole thing. I'm right there.
He was like, yeah, kg Man, I just want you

(35:45):
to know. You know, man, I look up to you. Man,
I had your poster and everything, man, and you know
I would love to work out something something along that. Yeah, Man,
get off my d like yo. I was like damn
no no, but look it was another one. Here go

(36:07):
another one, here go another story that all they got out.
It was another player. He was like, hey, uh hey,
we have the free throw line again, because you know
this one guys like to talk. He's like, hey, can man,
I just want to invite you. You know I'm having
my wedding this summer. Uh, you know, I would like
to get you invite him, man. Kevin Man looked up.

(36:30):
Fuck you. D I was like, damn, I look like
So the one thing I did learn, dude, don't talk
to Kevin during the game. Talk to him before text
him that, like, y'all are here telling this stuff during

(36:51):
the game. He is in full gladiate her moment right now.
Do live him alone? Like, come on, stop that, y'all.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
The situation that he and Carmelo got into it. The
cheerios things have been the buck. But how surprised were you?
Were you that Mellow was waiting at the bus and
wanted to throw a head at KG?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, I see, I didn't know what was going on
because I think I was still in the shower or something,
you know, before I realized what was going on, right like,
And I didn't even hear what was said to this day,
and I've never asked him. You know. It's just certain
sid things you just don't even want to know where
that's true or not, you know, And that's one of
them for me. And it was just like, damn, he

(37:34):
must have really got under mellow skin. And then when
it came out that he was talking about somebody's wife
and all that, and I was like, man, I heard
KG talk a lot of shit, but he ain't. I
don't think he went there with you know what I'm saying.
Maybe he thought he heard something like that, but I ain't.
I ain't never heard nothing to that to where you like,

(37:54):
that's crossing the line. Yeah, you know, hey, man, people
wife man. People don't play by the why the girl
friend kids? You stay away from that, Stay away from that.
Everything else is fair game. We're playing the games whatever,
But like the personal family and kids and vibes, keep
that out of now. I've heard the girlfriends stuff a lot.

(38:16):
The girlfriends is open yeah, but the girl it's just
your girlfriend, that's open season. Heard stuff like that not
over here, but the other players like, hey, that's your girl.
Oh yeah, she was with me, Like you said that.
I was like why to the other player, and the
player was all this game. The rest of the man,

(38:37):
it's some stunb I know you heard some stuff too.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Sure, you know, like you said their game fair game?
You uh did you smack talk trash talk to Kobe.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Sometime? But like like Kobe, he he he different, like
he just he like his sometimes his math talker was
breathing hard on you like he had just had this
look in his nose. He had this thing with his
nose like he wouldn't say nothing. You know what I

(39:20):
should have said nothing, No, But it was one All
Star game. Uh so we beat them in the finals.
So the next year in the All Star Game, he
had the free throw line and I yelled something from
the bench like that's why y'all blew it last year
or something said something foul. Yeah, last choke. Yeah, I said,

(39:43):
you choke, you gonna choke. Man. We was about to
fight in the All Star Game. Dude, he came over
to me on the bench, walked right dead over there,
got in my face. I had to stand up like yeah, yeah,
he killed me. So yeah, so I had to stand
up like what you're talking about? Then? So I'm thinking, like, dude,

(40:03):
like he he really like it's the All Star Game.
I'm thinking about the squabble in the All Star Game.
He was he was hot. I was like, damn, all right,
you know what. I ain't trying to do all that
in theme for real man. I was like, damn, should
you know what? Let me chill?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You mentioned the battle like you said. Look, I'm not
a top seventy five player. I'm not thought of as
a player. I am if I don't have those battles
with Lebron when he's at Cleveland, when he's at Miami,
he's at Miami, I'm in, I'm in, and Brooklyn. You
a lot of times you guys guarded each other that game.

(40:44):
That game, I think with that Game six, I think
it was Game six. You had forty he had forty
two or you had forty two, he had forty. But
you guys were going at it. You guys, I mean
that was Game seven Boston. We both have forty. Yeah,
you guys were going at it. Yeah, So how you
what do you try to do to get him off

(41:04):
his game? Is there a spot you're trying to keep
him from getting to? Are you talking to him like, bro,
this this is not your year, this this is this
is not it.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I would talk to Lebron at the guard meetings at
the free throw line again, you know, I always used
to say he gonna choke at the line because at
the time he was always missing big free throw right.
But like the like, when he's on, you can't stop
because the the strategy is to make him shoot jumpers.
But if it's jumpers, if he's hidden, then it's over.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, And that's what happened in that game, that game
six in the Garden.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, he was hitting everything, fade away threes because the
scout is to go under the pick and roll, let
him shoot jumpers. And if it's jumpers on, there's nothing
you can do because he's on. Now if you like,
when you get down, you don't want to give him
the free jumper because now you got to get up
right now he going value and doing all that. Man,
it was just like, man, you got to pick the

(42:00):
the lessoner of to eaves. But if he got them
both going, it's a long night and he's so strong. Man.
I just remember trying to foul him. Bro, you damn
here have the w w FM to just stop him
from getting the A one. Like I remember so many
different files I gave. I'm damn there tackling him and
he's still almost.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So you be the one with the Mars twin when
you playing Boston and he grabbed him by the back
and Lebron's still lad up.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And get there. I want that so many times to
where it's down. You damn there got to tackle him
to stop him from like getting the and one, especially
when they got that full steam of head.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's like, man, you it's reported that you told him
I have the ball to take that shot in Game
five of the two thousand Eastern Conference.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Bottles, you said that that sounded like me. That's all
like I said about.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I'm trying to big why you and U D got
you and ud iron y'all differences out.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I ain't talked to U D. I really ain't got
no b for U D. Like because like, and I
said some things. And the reason I said what I
said because I didn't appreciate what UD said about Russell,
no Bill rus you know, he said something I thought
that was foul. You know, Russell was passed by then,

(43:13):
you know, and I didn't appreciate that. And you know,
we got a long rivalry with Boston, Miami and everything,
and I do a shot, you know what I'm saying
like that, and that's all it was, because like when
we played against each other, it wasn't never no me
and him in each other face. It was more like
me and d Wade for me and Bron you know,
so it wasn't nothing like that. So I said what

(43:34):
he said, what he said, and I was like kind
of like defending our culture, our our our side, because
what I said was I went on Stephen Jackson page
and he got a jersey retired Donnas and Stephen Jackson
was like, well deserved, and I said, I think I
said not giving what not it was. It wasn't deserved,

(43:56):
it was given like something like that. And it was
a probably and I probably shouldn't have said nothing like
that but I just, you know what, Tobody, because that
ain't me. Usually I usually don't do that because I
tell a person, you know, and I just felt the
need to like say that because of what was said.
I felt, well, there was a disrespect toward Russell. Uh.

(44:19):
But like, you know, I ain't got no issue with UD.
But like if we see each other, like face to face,
you know, I tell him the same thing. Like, Man,
I ain't really got no issue with you. You know this.
We're grown, we retired, we got kids, we got kid Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I ain't trying to have
no issue with nobody. Who you think talked more? Gary
Payton or KG. Gary bro. Yeah, you can't shut Gary up.

(44:44):
That's why, Man, you can't shut him up. Like once
he gets going. Man, I'm telling you, man, when GP,
you know, we played in Boston with me, man, GP,
Me and GM fight one day and I looked up
to GP, like I completely looked up to GP from Oakland.
I followed him all the way through, you know, him
and my brother knew each other growing up. And GP

(45:07):
was saying something and I was like, man, shut up,
little man, I'll beat you out. He was like we'll
do it. Then he was like, he started yelling, and
he started getting all hyped up. You know this. I
was like, I was, he got so turned up, and
I'm like, man, I respect Ge. I'm bigger than him,

(45:27):
if younger than come on, man, I had to smile
it off. I G G G bro Man. I love
G to this day. That's my big brother.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But ain't nobody. Ain't nobody talk more than G. He's
not going to stop like J like KG gonna spit
here and there, but G is just gonna keep on
like all night. It's like dang. I didn't turned him on.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
A guy just called a lot of criticism. I think
he does a great job on television. I worked with
him on both shows dis feuded at ESPN. It's Perk, Okay,
he played his role. You know, look Perk. You know
Perk ain't gonna get you know, twenty, but he gonna
see great screens. He gonna rebound. He got hard, fail you.
But he caught a lot of criticism Russ. He said that,

(46:17):
you know, he and Russ had a falling out because
he said something about Russy's wife send him a letter.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He and Katie been going back and forth a little
bit on Twitter stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
What was it like playing with perk Man? I love
playing with Perk. He understood this role and you know,
he was our enforcer. You know, he was our big man.
And I'll never forget when I felt like I knew
we were win this series. I'll tell you this one series.
This was when Cleveland was the number one seed with Shock,

(46:49):
we were the four seeds and we played them in
the second round and I remember Shock tried the punk
perk Man Perk still in a shock face like a
beat you like yeah, And I was just like, oh, okay.
You know, I ain't never seen nobody standing shock like.
I was like, Oh that gave me common. It's like,

(47:10):
oh yeah, we're gonna whoop them. Shack is intimidating. I
don't care how old Shock is. I don't care. He
could be ninety nine years old. Shock is intimidate to
this day. And I'm like, oh yeah, Perk just like
low Ki kind of gotten shot face. Oh Man, were
about to get them. And you know but that he
Perk understood his role. And that's why I say, if

(47:31):
he don't get hurt, I feel like we win. Two
rings did Perk have hot takes in the locker room.
Was Perk a talking back then, I mean he understood
the game. And most of the time it be me
and Kevin because we stuck around longer in the locker room,
and Kevin like we be there because we the old man.
They usually leave. But Perk was always knowledgeble. He always

(47:52):
had his say in the country. But they you know,
they gone. But then when we retired, you know, he
would all me and him would talk and he'd just
be like, man, you know what, I'm looking to get
into the business, pee you know what you think you know?
And I was like, he's very strong opinionating. He's always
been back perfect, very been strong opinionated. And that's what
you got. You got to stand on. You gotta stand on.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Anybody can say, well, I like both guys, you know what,
it's really no. You gotta have an opinion and stand
when you because criticism is gonna come eventually. Criticism is
gonna come because you're not gonna be on the right
side of everybody's opinion, right, and you got to stand
on it.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And you can't be in this trying to be like no, no,
you know, you gotta say what you feel what you feel,
and you know he's always done that, Yes, and so
that's why he's great in this in this space. What
was it like playing with Shaq?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Because you didn't get to you didn't get the magic shack,
you didn't get a Laker shock, you didn't even get
a heat shock. You got a guy that had been around.
I think he had gone to Phoenix and and and
came to you guys. I think he ended up going
to Cleveland last. But what was it like with Shaq?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Man? That was one of the funnest teams I ever
played on. And we didn't win it, but we I
was promise you should. If Shaq had have been healthy,
we would have won it that year. Really, dude, go
back and look at our record with Shaq. I think
we were like twenty eight and the three wow, like
and then he gets hurt something like that, Like we
were rolling with. All we needed was his presence, because

(49:21):
the thing about Shaq, when you drive to the lane,
nobody helping off of them. So the lane wide open,
right and you're not helping off kg I was having
a field day with them, like Rondo was having a
field day with them. Two in the line. But then
off the court man just the last we had with him,
and you just know, you know, Shack, he just he funny.
He just he's just a comedian, old kid. And then

(49:42):
we had Nate Robinson Wood him oh man. That that was.
That was one of the funniest times because we all
kicked it. We all went to dinner and this was
the one. The only person Shaq is the only one
that had a bigger or than KG. Wow, because going
you know, being in practice in the locker room, KG

(50:03):
he got the biggest or. Then you see another big
ore coming there and you like it's bigger than that one.
It's like, Dade, I'm in the locker room with these
like a big big sun in the locker room shining.
I'm like, man. And then we sitting there having storytime
after practice, you know the ogs. We're gonna sit there
after practice be chopping it up, talking about whatever, shooting ship.

(50:24):
So that was that was one of the funnest.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Times with Shaques still pranking people when he got the
Boston was he still pranking man, That is never gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Come on, Shaq was doing putting stuff in people's shoes.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
He told the story, so how he took a dump
and Devin George You man.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
He was doing man, he was still doing stuff like
the man Nate Robinson. Dude, I'm telling you this was
the two. It was crazy, but that's who shock is,
you know. So it made the locker room fun.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
You also had a teammate, de Lante West, who's kind
of falling no hard times.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
He's dealing with some issues.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Mark Cuban has tried to help him out, but he
kind of had a relapse and he's backing it.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
What was he like? What was playing with Delante like?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
And did you see anything that would lead you to
believe that this could possibly be a fate down the road? No?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I mean actually Delante was one of my favorite teammates
because I had young Delonte. You know, just having him
and Tony Allen together was like, man, you wouldn't believe it.
They was like the good friends on the team and
it was my youngins. Delante was really good. But just
to like be around him every day, his competitive spirit

(51:41):
and to know where he came from, and I knew
when he was in the league he needed medication. It
was already yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was like
when he was playing for us he needed medication then,
and I didn't know it would turn into what we
see today, but we knew he had likes. I don't

(52:01):
know if it's a bipolar disorder or something like that.
I think he was diagnosed with to where you know,
Danny would like talk to him and make sure trying
to make sure you take his mans and all that,
because like you saw a couple episodes like to where
he go off and you know he had a couple
of fights in the locker room, but you know, you
didn't think it would just turned into like full on

(52:23):
just like and you know, it just goes to show
you how difficult it is to deal with mental health.
I have two nephews and I have a chance to
see a first hand Shannon with schizophrenias, Like like, it's
the worst thing that you can have for a family

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to deal with every day because every day is new
and it's different and you don't know what can happen,
you know, And you know, I just encourage people to
just if you're dealing with this in your family and
the people around you, you know, just show the love
and make sure that you could give the support that
you can give, because it's it's a real thing, and

(53:11):
it can damage it can break a family up. Oh
for sure, absolutely, you know really so I've seen you
know that firsthand, and you know you try to pray
and you try to not wish that upon people, but
it's just it's difficult. Then, Like I said, it can
break families apart. Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Lebron heading into year twenty three, year twenty two average
almost twenty five points a game, eight rebounds a game,
eight says the game, shot over fifty percent from the floor,
shot thirty eight percent from the three, shot one of
his career highs from the free throw line. You said
you believe twenty three would be his last season. You
still believe twenty three is his last season?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Is that this year? Yeah? Yeah, I think this will
be his last season, you know, I mean, he's he's
the conflent so much, he's been made so long, and
I truly believe that now that you've had the opportunity,
like you've done something that's never been done in the
game multiple times. And the one ultimate thing that there's

(54:14):
two things that's never gonna happen while I'm alive. Nobody's
gonna break his scoring record, and no other player will
play with their son, right, I don't believe that those
two things will happen. I think like there has to
be and I just have to believe that he has
a sense of fulfillment now that you know, he's done

(54:36):
it all and accomplished so much, and now he's built
up such a great off the court presence with his
businesses and things of that nature, that that's gonna be
his next challenge in growing that and becoming the best
in that field. And you know, because I know it
eats at him every year he doesn't win a championship,

(54:57):
and I know he loves the game, but I truly
believe that you don't believe KD can break his scoring record.
Kd's at almost thirty thousand, Where's Lebron at fifty fifty
forty two regular season points? So no, as so much
things have to go right. He has to be healthy
for like the next ten years, I think, because I

(55:19):
mean he has to play.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
He has to play basically at least seven years and
play all the games and play the game, yeah all
of them, no no injuries, no stouts.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
And Lebron's playing this year. I don't think it.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I think it's it's really hard because normally guys retire
when they can't play at the level their custom to
you averaging twenty five points of game p with eight
and eight, it's hard to walk away, and you make it.
Now it's different because we've never seen Lebron in the
final year of his contract, unless Lebron really wants to
be in the final year of his contract. It's reported

(55:52):
that the Lakers, like now, were gonna wait and see
how this year turns out. So I don't think Lebron goes.
I don't think I don't think he really wants to
go anywhere else. He's building a compound here in La.
He loves La. He came to La. They didn't recruit him.
He came to them. Yeah, it's like winning.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
The lot I ain't even played the lottery, but I won. Yeah, Magic,
Magic can't do that. He showed up at he and
Rich Paul showed up at Magic's out. And that's gonna
be a hard That's gonna be a hard decision. It is,
it's all he knows. Over half this man's life, he's
been in the NBA. Think about it. He's gonna be
forty one. This will be so since he was eighteen

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all he knows is the NBA. But I have to
believe that he doesn't want to play just to play. True,
you know, he wants to win, like he wants to
win a championship. And if there's if there's a situation
to where if the Lakers lose the first round or
how they lose, where they should he should want to go.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
If you lose in the first round with Luca and
Austin Reeves and what you have, I get it, you
don't have no history, you don't got no get great
big man. But with Luke and Lebron, you should never
lose in the first round, right that ain't and of itself,
you should never lose in the play first round.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yep. So I believe it's all going to depend I
don't think he'll announce it, but I think burn circumstances
on how they go out this year, he'll make that decision.
You are your Lebron.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Mom almost beat you up for following that man, Hank,
that was That was Lebron.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Lebron. Don't sit down glow trying to get a come
on mama. You don't even like you come on mama, Hey,
why are you trying to come I'm just trying to
just not let make the layup. Mama. I wasn't trying
to hurt him. I ain't never tried to hurt him.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
You guys have played. You guys have played a lot.
Lebron has beat you thirty five times. You beat him
thirty four times. Yes, you will go back and get
try this.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Thing up with a dagger. Three. I sat in the
corner tying this up. Dam I'm trying to think what
was the last game. The last game was probably in Bricklin, yeah,
or Washington, Washington. Oh, this is regular season, right, yeah? Yeah,
oh yeah, okay, damn. That close.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
What what if you guys were the same age? What
if you came in because you came in ninety eight,
Lebron came in three. If you guys would like.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
If we were the same age, I don't believe he
would have had four championships. He wouldn't have He wouldn't
have got those two in Miami, because I gotta believe
if we're the same age and I could offset him,
and that would have been good enough. You know, like
if he had have got forty in Game six and
we the same I would probably got forty in offset

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the right. You know, I was at an older age
then a lot of miles and stuff, and it was
hard for me to keep up with him. Lie, I'm looking,
I'll be looking at that tape shit, and I'm like, damn,
I couldn't even move like it's a younger. I couldn't
moved with him.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
And I'm like, cause you don't put in Brooklyn, you
say you got it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You gonna die him up in Brooke. I don't know
what you was on. That mind and body say two
different things.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Your mom was saying one thing, that body fit. I
got him, you know I thought I did. Man, you
you were. You were very outspoken about KD going to
the Warriors. You said, it's not so much that you
have the ability to go. Lebron and KD had the
ability to go wherever they wanted. But it was KD

(59:43):
going to a team that won seventy three games to
have the MVP and they had just lost the finals.
Do you believe that KD would have been judged judged
differently had he gone somewhere else and helped that team
win a championship as opposed to the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Of course you would have got judged diferently because the way.
And it's the same thing with Ray. We just lost
to Miami. Then you join them, right, KD. You just
lost the Golden State who you should have beat right
because you up three one, you was up through and
you joined them. And so that's why that's where the
criticism come in because it was just like, damn, KD,

(01:00:20):
you good enough to beat them, Like we feel like
that's because that's how the old school stars won. We like, man,
I'm gonna get over the hump. I'm gonna take my lumps.
And people just thought felt like he took the easy
way out and that's all. But like, you know, I
get it because we live in the culture to where

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it's off your championship. So he said, let me get
that out the way. So now what you're gonna talk about,
And so I get it. You know, it's more understandable
now because I come from the old school and I
feel like, man, you gotta you gotta get at the
hard way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Sometime and maybe and maybe you don't get over the hump, yeah,
Charles Barkley and and car I'm alone, maybe you don't
get over the hump. But what you don't do is
in that. I don't I look at it like this.
He paid his debt to society, and he paid his
debt to the Thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
His contract was up. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I don't know if he could have gone where where
could he have gone and won a championship? If you
look at look look at the landscape, if you go back,
if you if you can remember, if you go back
and look at the landscape, where is he going? If
he goes to the Knicks, he not be He not
beating Kyrie and Kevin Love and Braun in Cleveland. If
he goes, if he goes anywhere else, they're not going

(01:01:38):
to be the war. He got to go back to Okay,
he's staying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Okay, see you gotta stay right you you you went
to the finals with that team, right and you up
three one against This was supposed to be the rivalry
that we should have saw the next five six years
to where one of these two teams is going to
go to the finals every year. Right, you know, Now
you stay there, you got the team. But I think

(01:02:01):
a lot of that had to do with Russ. Yeah,
you know, I think they had They was bumping him
their heads and it looked like it on the court
because you felt like Russ should have got him the
ball more. But Russ felt like I'm the man, right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
And then you know it's hard to argue because the
next year he goes to win the MVP and Average
is trouble double. So it's hard to say that he
couldn't be the man. And that's the hardest thing is
that Shaq and Kobe should have won more championship together.
But Kobe's like I'm the man and Shaq like, now
you little brother, he's a no not no more damn.
Because just to imagine the perfect situation is Kareem in

(01:02:34):
Magic that Magic was Kat what you want the ball?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Gotcha? Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It's hard when one guy believes that he can be
the man and he should be the man. Magic knew
he could be because Magic because when when pat Riley
challenged him and say, I need you to score more,
Magic went I scored more average over twenty It won
the MVP. Right, But he's like Magic tells the story
that when Cap when pat Riley told him that he

(01:03:02):
needed to score board, he like, you run that by Capy,
I need you to clean it up with Cap, right,
But damn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
That was Magic's game was passing. Yeah, when you got
two guys who they game is scoring, then you gotta
say who's gonna, you know, take the lesser rolling this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
It's hard because the way we live in a society,
we gotta determine credit somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It ain't no fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
No truth, we gotta get somebody need fifty one, We
gotta get somebody forty nine. We gotta be sixty forty,
We gotta be seventy thirty. Ain't no fifty to fifty.
So whose team is it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Kobe got tired of hearing he batman. I mean he
got he Robin right that he riding Shaq coach tails.
He was chasing something else. Yes, he was chasing. He
knew that in order for him to become he couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
He can't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yes, he got he had the Mama name with Shaq,
But in order for us to look at him differently,
he had to do this without shot. Yeah, we never
gonna we never gonna look at him. If he's doing
all that, he win five championships with Shaq, We're not
looking at Covid to same as we look at him now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, he was on a mission. He knew that he
had to get under that shadow. He had to damn.
He just it's a lot of just in the histories
of sports, it's a lot of what IF's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Damn because plus I got we gotta sign credit to somebody, Yeah,
we gotta sign We see this. We see this in
football with coach Belichick and Tom Brady. Who gets the
most credit? Right? Well, when Tom left, Tom Win got
a championship with with with with Tampa Yep. Coach Belichick
went to the playoffs and then two years of mediocrity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He's the coach at UNC YEP.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
We look at the forty nine ers, We look at
Bill Walsh, we look at Joe Montana. Coach Walsh retired,
Joe wins another one with Tom with Seaffert, George Seffert.
So we can say so now we can definitively save Okay,
it was him, right, We gotta be able to determine
who the reason why we win the championship we got.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
That's just the way we're wired. It's not good, it's
not good enough. Right. Shaq and Kobe nah nah No.
The Shaq was so dominant that he was you had
to see him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
People don't really give people people because people look at
Shack now and they see him he having fun. People
just don't realize man tried to dominate. You couldn't do
nothing with him, nothing nothing. They just imagine they called
foul shock shoot like fifty three throws the game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
If they he caught every file man, Come on, that's damn.
You couldn't do nothing with different. You couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
People don't realize just how athletic considering his side, considering
his agility. People don't realize how good People think, Oh Joe, Joe,
L and B Joel and B couldn't move like Shaq.
Yeah with Shock, with Shaq Man Orlando Shack. In the
first three years of L A.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Shack, there wasn't a better athlete on the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
No, Yep, he's seven to one, he's three hundred and
thirty five thirty pound and he can move like a
six seven guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
That's two hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, you had to see it, Like I said something like,
you had to see Barry Sanders playing person to really
appreciate what he was doing. You had to see Jared Rice,
you had to see Prime. You had some things you
just have to see in person.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So why is it you don't think that Jordan is
better than Lebron? You saw both did person like James Man?
Come on? Come on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I mean because you think about it. Come on, because
he could do more, he could rebound better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So what do we go off of, dude, because this
is the argument that I have today, Like you know,
like better player is one thing? Yes, like is he
just like let's take away all the accolades. Yeah, like Lebron,
it's probably the greatest play of the game, right, but

(01:07:03):
it's unfortunate. We gotta add the accolades. Ye, we have
to add. So we're gonna team. So we're gonna we're
gonna all So we're gonna put.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Those like twenty all NBA selections in there, twenty one
all NBA selections, we put it in. We're gonna put
that in. We're gonna put those No, No, we're not
gonna put those in there. Oh, okay, we're accolades. This is
what we're gonna do. Okay, we're gonna take the fifteen
years or thirteen years. Jordan played the first and let's
match him up with the fifteen Still play it, huh

(01:07:32):
my guy, still play it? You can't say this guy,
this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
So we're saying we're crediting longevity as a reason. You
may see like Lebron just out there. Now he's not
out there, but I'm heeak of your superpowers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Did you see did you see Jordan's did you see
jordans in Washington?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I've never seen Jordan disappoint in a big moment. Did
you see Jordan Washington?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, playing against Jordan Washing? Yeah, that was like a farewell.
We don't do my guy still going at twenty three.
Ain't no farewell, ain't ain't we ain't gonna be when
we got to blast five page, it ain't d n
ye d n year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Oh man, you ain't lie. I mean, that's nothing's ever going.
You're not gonna do that. Nobody's gonna do what he's
doing ever again. True? But is this is this a
statistical thing? Then? If it was, then why don't we
say Kareem was the greatest.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Before the But see that was that was But here's
the thing, because people say championships, but they crowned Jordan
as the greatest players when he had none. If you
go back and look at the late eighties and early
the late eighties, as the best player in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
They said he was the greatest player that we've ever seen,
and he had no champions.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
They didn't call him the goat though, but we first
of all, they didn't call him the goat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
They said he was the greatest player we've ever seen. Yes,
just like when Barry Sanders was there, there's the greatest
running back we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yes, but they said run. They didn't say he's the
greatest player. They said Jordan was the greatest player we
had ever seen, and he had no championships.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, but then they say he's the goal. But there's
a difference between greatest player and the goat. But how
do you go Tom Brady like Tom Brady when we
just look at Tom like he's like he's the goat, right, Yeah,
but like when you look at him compared to like
Rogers and Mahomes, if you just watch him, like he

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don't look better than them, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
But see for me, I mean, look, I think Tom
is because the quarterback is so so damn important. But
I can make it crazy the case that lt or
Jerry Rice is the greatest players of all time, but
they're not as important as the quarterback because he touches
the ball Lebron. Jordan was never asked to do what

(01:09:50):
Lebron has been asked to do. The Jordan had a
specific task Lebron, they asked. Lebron said, Lebron, we need
you to give us twenty seven. We need to give
us ten and we need you to give us team,
and we need you to do that every night. And
in the meantime, we still need you to guard the
great best player.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
All Right, I will say this, Lebron has he has
the greatest of all time influence on winning. Okay, like
from day one you put them on this team, there
are the better team than what dp's not on it.
Well you can say that about Jordan, but just like

(01:10:25):
his influence on winning is greater, yeah, Jordan. Okay, because
when you look at the teams he took to the finals,
you know, it's like, now you drag them, they dragged
them eighteen team ain't got no business in the final.
Then you kind of erase that because then you be like, damn,
how did you lose when you had this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I think if you think about it, the only thing,
the only team, the only time that I think Lebron
really should have won the championship.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Was against the Dallas Mavericks. He wasn't favorite in any
other championship. Really does the journey matter? How you win?
Does that matter? It does? To me? It matters, right,
it does. Like because if you're saying Kobe became something
different because he stuck it out with the Lakers and
won without shock, that matters.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
That's elevated Coby. Well, see if they could have got
him pieces. Do you think Kobe win if he doesn't
get power, if they don't get Collins, not a top
seventy five. But I'm saying if they don't get him,
oh they don't. Lebron couldn't get nobody to come to Cleveland. Bro,
he took think about He got tim O fay Mars
GoF seventy five million, He had Dela dovera Delladover.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Is your Mars going up there? See that's my point,
that's what he was up again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Just imagine if Jerry West was his GM, he would
have knew what pieces to put around Lebron.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
But that's what makes the journey matter. Like when you
go through the rough times, like like me and Cole,
like we talked about earlier, we were like, are we
gonna we we we you know, the journey's over. But
he stuck it out. Yeah, he and that meant something
for him to stay a Laker and wait for them

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to see if they were going to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
He never ran, Lebron raided, Lebron waited what year was it, Yeah,
like year seven. He just realized that they were hear
that Jordan Win uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Yeah. But here's the thing. They got him, Scottie Pippen,
they got him whole green. They Scotty became something we didn't.
They don't know Scotty. They didn't go get Scotty here.
And they drafted well. But what I'm saying they wasn't
drafting well the truth. But they were trying to do
everything to gain them. They got Ben Wallace, Shack Antoine.
They was trying. But Ben Wallace was my age. Yeah,

(01:12:47):
I mean Shaq was my age. But you think they
think about this the great players. People always gravitate towards
the great players. The good role players gravitate. Yeah, but
they ain't going to Cleveland. They gravitate the water. Why
not people? Because like Milwaukee one, Yeah, Denver one want
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I'll tell you what. Let me ask you this. You
think John is gonna finish his career in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Milwaukee, I mean the last game we are today. It's
not hard to say that somebody's gonna finish a career one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Team because he wants to win. And you know, once
you get a taste of that winning truth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
But whose journey was better Jordan's or Lebron's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
You think it's harder to win as many championships as
Jordan did with one team, or win the championships that
he's won like Lebron on multiple teams.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
It's hard to win period. Yeah, oh for sure that
we've agreed. Yeah, we gonna agree with that. But now
if I go say, all right, I want to go
over here, but then I get the hand pick what
part of the journey is that that has to mean something?
That has to mean Like Jordan is say pick Pippin,

(01:13:59):
did he right? They got him in a hunt on
the Hens. That's saying, hey, maybe he becomes something. You know,
like the journey has to like mean something, and you
know it doesn't take away from Lebron's ability, like he's
like like just take away all everybody, take away everybody's championships.
Lebron has the greatest ability of any basketball player ever,

(01:14:19):
like skill wise right, Like, I mean, dude, he's it's
a scoring champion. He can pass like Magic, he can
rebound like Robin I mean he can. Yeah, he can
do what he can do it at all. Like if
I'm building a basketball player, I want to build lebronn
like athletics players been able to do more. But the
mental for the two is what we always questioned about him. Well,

(01:14:42):
just let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Lebron James
would have had a historically great coach. Say he had
a Dean Smith in college for three years and then
he get a Phil Jackson for the better part of
his career. What coach that you believe that Lebron James
gonna have that's gonna go to the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Maybe Sposter Spots will go to the Hall of fame,
Tyl Lou will go to the Hall of fame. Uh,
let's see who he will right now? JJ ready, ready,
Mike Brown, vote U Vogel. But who made who? Who
made who did the Phil mcjordan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
All I know is Phil left somewhere else and went
and won a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
And then Phil mc jordan. I'm just asking you a question.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Did he tell me the coach, tell me the coach
tell me the coach that's won a championship after they
left Lebron?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Uh? Probably nobody? Why that because Lebron elevated the coach, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Yeah, so the Jordan Phil won, Phil won three more.
Pield won five championships after he left Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I mean, come on, you inherited Kobe in Shock. I
feel what he need in here. That's like right now.
If you inherit like who ain't won the championship a
great player in the league right now?

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Vogal inherited, Vogel inherited. Didn't he have KD and book?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Oh vog one Lebron? Yes? But did he get booking?
Wasn't he in Phoenix? Yeah? And that was trying? Oh
y'ad my goodness. Yeah, I mean I'm not taking nothing
away Lebron. I think the coach. I think I get
more credits than the player, than the coach, though, do
you Yeah? Yeah, I can see that I give away

(01:16:36):
in the NBA. Yeah, NFL's coaching, NBA, it's the player,
you know that. Yeah, one player can change your fortune
in the NBA, it's different in the You know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Saying, I definitely agree with that. Let me make this Clippers,
you go to the Clippers. You said that you hated that,
you demanded the trade to leave Boston. If you had
it to do over again, you finish your whole career
in Boston, even though you don't win another championship, because
it seems like once you won, you start trading. You
still you know that high, that that that that high

(01:17:09):
winning a championship is, like they say, it's called chasing
the dragon. Say, you never get that high that you
initially felt the first time you did it, but you
chase it. Yeah, so you won it in Boston. Let
me go to Brooklyn, let me go to the Clippers,
let me go to the or, let me go to
the Wizard. You chasing that you wish you had, Like,

(01:17:30):
you know what, if I'm gonna win another one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It's gonna be here at Boston. Yeah. I wish I
could have stayed there in my whole career. Yeah, I
really do. But I'm not mad at my path because
I had a chance to be an influence on some
other young teams. Yeah, you know, and I enjoyed that experience.
I really did, like just because being in one place
in your whole career is great, Yeah, But to go
to Brooklyn experience the big city, right, and then go

(01:17:54):
to Washington play off these young two all stars and
give them some games, yeah, and then to reunited with
Doc at home to finish it out. Like, I loved
the way I ended. Actually, even though I would have
loved to end in Boston, I loved having that experience
on the way out the way I did it because like,
even in being that back home in LA, it was

(01:18:14):
like it gave me a chance to retire and really
kind of like put my feet down and easy to
retirement in a smooth way because I hadn't already had
it figured out because I'm home, I have my house
here and my kids everything. I retired, I jumped into
sports and on this media and it was a good
transition for me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
How difficult was it for the Clippers because your ten
time All Star, your Finals MVP, you an All NBA selections,
and you're coming up the beach?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Oh man, I was, you know, it's crazy. I just
called game in Washington too, and dog Dog put me
on the bitch. I was hot. I was like, I
just I could have stayed in Washington. It started like
I was just like I had It was like when
you get to that level and I understood what russ

(01:19:05):
Feld in l A now Russell Westbrook, this is my
first time ever coming off the bench. It was like
a shock. I was just like, damn. It was like
hold on, like you got to see who I'm coming
off the bench for it was it was it was
Wesley Johnson. Oh. And I was like, you know, it

(01:19:26):
ain't an knock on Wesley, but I think I'm still
I think I'm still better than him. You was just like,
you know, it got to the point to where I
just had to be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Like, but you were coming off the bit, you coming
in the clean up time. They been at three in
the game. Truth did they put you in at some point?
But then it got to the point I wasn't playing
at all at all. I was like, man, you know,
I have to man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
We had little conversations, but then it was just like
it got to the point to where I understood my world. Right, yeah,
I'm at the end. This is when the light like
I'm like, this is it for me? And then I
was like Cassam Casselle was on the staff right, so
you know practice is going. I'm on the sideline. I
get the practice early workout, so he like get in

(01:20:11):
there and get some reps. I looked at Sam, I said, Sam,
and yo last year that I'll bother you. I said,
get away from me, because he was with us in
this last year. Yeah, I looked at him like I

(01:20:40):
was on the sidelight chilling. I got here early, got
my work out in. Now I'm watching practice.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Everybody remembers the viral clip you going back and board
with Raymond. Raymond, I mean it's quiet and drama. You
thought you'd gonna get that Kobe treatment. They don't love
you like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
That, man. Yeah, yeah, you know it's crazy. I didn't
hear him say that. What so you did hear him say? No,
I'm on the bench and I'm talking to Draymond because look,
Goda State Warriors was like big brother to the Clippers.
And I'm coming over there, like you know, I'm the
O g man. Hold on, y'all, ain't about to be
punking us over here. And I'm like Blake, you know,

(01:21:25):
I'm trying to put a battery in Blake. Yeah, back
you know, because Draymond he you know, he going, yeah,
man going, he trying to go at Blake, Blake an
All Star too now, and he was like, shut up,
you ain't Kobe. I guess I don't hear until after
the game because he said it under the basket where
the mic picked it up, so everybody on TV heard it.
But like in the Marinas, it's hard to hear, right,

(01:21:46):
So I didn't even I couldn't even hear when he
first said it. I didn't know until I got into
the locker room and Twitter going off and everybody say
everything crazy. It's going crazy because you know, everybody thinking
I'm just ignoring him, but I'm just kind of like
I didn't hear him, right, And so you know, it
was funny. I give it to j mind. He wanted
the all time trash talkers. He got me. He got me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Oh bag, you also bad. You've been going viral because
you said you better than d Wade.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I did say that, yeah, but you know what, that's
what made me who I am. You are to believe
that too, Yeah, that's what gave me my edge. You
know what I'm saying. You know, I never cared about
what people thought of me or other people's opinion. When
I step on the court, I'm better than all of y'all, right,
you know, and that's what made me who I am.

(01:22:43):
And I'm gonna work toward you. Gotta believe that though
you know what I'm saying, and so I'm never I'm
never gonna like I'm retired down I can change up whatever.
And I knew I was retired then when I said it,
but like that's who I was, and that was my age.
I felt like every time I stepped on the court,
I was the best player. And that's why I made
the accolads I made. Why didn't it work out with

(01:23:07):
Kyrie and the clip the Celtics, Man, I don't know, man,
because I thought, you know, in the preseason, I was
at that game at the practice, he said, I'm gonna
be a Clipper for life, I mean a Celtic for life,
and I'm gonna resign. And man, but you know Kyrie different,
you know, he think on afferent level, the whole different
way level wave land for whole nipper stratosphere. And I

(01:23:31):
thought that could be something that was gonna work out.
They can win a championship with him. But you know Kyrie,
You know, I didn't work out with him and bron
It didn't work out with him and in Brooklyn and
her could work out, you know, so you never know
what Kyrie is thinking. We would have loved to have
him in Boston for all them years, but it worked out.

(01:23:51):
You know. It allowed Jason and Jalen to grow on
their own because you know, Kyrie was the was the
og and you know, but everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
What do you expect from the Clippers? They got Chris Paul,
they got Bradley Bill, they got James Harden. Kawhi seemed
to be healthy. He worked out for like a month
after the season. Talking to t Lou, t Lu said
he wanted to make sure his body. He missed half
of the season last year, but he looked good. And
they're a different team when he plays. What do you
expect from the Clippers with Kyrie? Excuse me, with Kawhi

(01:24:25):
being healthy and all the additions.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Man, I just think I think they will be competitive,
but I just think their time has kind of passed. Yeah,
you know, they're older. James Harden is older, Kawhi is older,
dealt with so many surgeries and Bill is older. It's
just like this is a young man's game. Yeah, you know,
and these young teams is good, OKAC Minnesota and you

(01:24:51):
still got Denver over there. I think they'll be competitive,
and ty Lou is a great coach and y'all got
talent in but them, it's a lot of big names,
and we all know that older big names usually don't win,
and so they'll they'll they'll be good. They may be
better than the Lakers. Maybe, but I don't see it.
I don't see it. John Wall called it the career.

(01:25:14):
Are you surprised that how soon it ended for him? Man?
John had a lot of lengthy injuries. You know, sometimes
I can take a toll on im mentally, and I
think he lost his mom. Yeah yeah, And you know
he's made a lot of money, yeah, you know, in
this game, and you know, he probably didn't accomplish all
the things he wanted to accomplish. But man, he had

(01:25:35):
a great Careerble, he had a great career. He's been
an All Star. He's number one pick. Man. My shout
out to the young fella. I'm glad I had to
spend a year with him. Give him some game, you know,
And I text him from time to time, hit him
up and just be like, you know how you doing,
young fella? And you know he has nothing to hold
his head down. And I know it didn't end the

(01:25:55):
way he wanted it to end. And we all book
and we all want the storybooking, but sometime I don't
go that way. But I mean, you know where he
had a storybook from where he came from a hundreds
of millions? Why is that our story book? Shait? Yeah,
we always got a judge on championships and all that way.
Like what or retiring on our turn? Yeah? Like no,

(01:26:15):
I mean he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, He's
played in the NBA, he was the number one pick,
he got a storybook life. Yes, how about that? You're right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You walk to work twenty miles in the bathrobe the Knicks.
You really was convinced the Knicks will go lose to
the CELFI man, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I was sick. I was convinced. I hate the Knicks
and they hate me. They hate me. You know that's
a Boston, New York thing. Man. I know, I put
my foot in my mouth. I said that on national television,
and to this day, I don't regret it. And people
everywhere I go say, did you really walk?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
You saw it? You saw it road walkingside the road,
you saw it? You got a new show, Truth after Dark. Yeah,
where it seem if you're talking, you've given advice about relationships,
and people seem that they don't want to take advice from
anybody that's not married, that's not in a relationship for

(01:27:19):
twenty plus years, been stable. Why do you feel you're
one of the best to give advice or relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I mean, because I've seen all sides of a relationship,
you know what I'm saying. I've been married in long
term relationships for ten plus years, a couple of them.
I've had kids, I've had long term girlfriends. I've been
on both sides. So I can speak on it like
it's like you've been in an NFL. You can speak
on it, Yes, like I can speak on being if

(01:27:49):
I'm not married. Now I can speak on it right
because I was married for a long time, yeah, you know,
and I've been engaged and I've had girlfriends, and like
I just you know, I see my perspective the way
I see it, and it ain't for everybody, you know.
I mean, I try to speak for everybody, but you know,
everybody different. I just go off a lot of my

(01:28:10):
experience and you can take it how you want it,
you know, But like I've I've seen it all. And
even if I didn't experience, I've saw other people experience
and I learned from them. And that's why I feel
like I'm more than qualified to give you know, a
relationship advice.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
You once said that marriages for poor people it offers
no advantage to a man. Yes, So under that premise,
would you get married again?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
That's a good question, man, Like, yeah, I'll get married
again because I'm getting old. So you want a hospice wife,
you want?

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Yeah, I'm getting Yeah, I'll get married again.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I mean, I mean, it's just I hear too many
of the horror stories, like especially for like I said,
old people are poor people, Like think about a man
successful rich man, Like I hate seeing stories like she
got seventy percent of his wealth and she got the
kids and she like you just feel like you stripped

(01:29:22):
a man down of his dignity. Like I hate seeing
them stories, right, man, it just drives me nuts. And
it's too many of them, and the percentages ain't in
her favor as successful, not only black, just people in
that upper tax bracking. It's just like no advantage for us.
And I'm not saying don't do it, just you know,

(01:29:44):
wait till you get old or you broke.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Did you and your wife go apart because you had,
like you said, you'd been married ten plus year, you
got kids? How do you come to the conclusion, like,
you know what they we need to part ways? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
You know, I think it happens over time. It wasn't
like a sit down one sitting Yeah. Yo, they're they're
oh no, no, no, the wait you know, And it happened
in retirement and a lot of players, you know, get
divorced in retirement. Yeah, and it's just like it's a
whole new dynamic that happens. Yeah, because like it's cool
when you in and out you miss each other, you're

(01:30:25):
going through whatever you're going through, and you can deal
with it. And and you know, she get to get
on to go to the game highlight herself. She in
the line light still too, but then the lights cut
off and now you coming home telling the kids to
do this and changing the whole family dynamic. Yes, and
it causes a riff. You know what I'm saying, And
it's just like it causes like like you start side

(01:30:48):
eye and looking at each other like nah, I wouldn't
allow this if I was home all the time, you
know what I'm saying, And then it just causes a
divide and I just think like kind of like that's
what happened. Yeah, you know, the vibe and the communication
wasn't there in my situation, and you know, and it
happens to a lot of us. You know, it's hard

(01:31:09):
to make that adjustment after you're done playing behold all
the time and then now you home all the time,
then you just get up be like I need to
go somewhere, right, And now y'all you arguing, yeah, because
you got why you why you go? You ain't got
you ain't got no practice, You ain't where you're going
like now because you just so answer you used to
traveling every week every week.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
You just like I don't know how to sit down.
And then now that's something that's a conflict. That's a conflict.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
And you know, if I had it to do all
over again, what I know now, I would have been
probably more sensitive to their needs, right, instead of being selfish.
You know what I'm saying, It was selfish.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Well, you got to be selfish to be great. Yeah,
and you gotta have you hear Lebron. When Lebron talks,
Lebron says, I've denied you know. And the first thing
he says is family because when you when you what
you and I did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Because family is the closest.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
That's why we mentioned them first, is that we apologize
to them for being selfish. You've got in order to
be great, you gotta be selfish because you're gonna miss recitals,
You're gonna miss certain things. You're gonna miss this because
guess what, Oh, I can't go play in the game
because like my daughter's recital. Well, I can't do to
celebrate my anniversary because I gotta miss this game. So

(01:32:24):
because I got to do my wife's anniversary. So you
become selfish. Right, The greater the player, the more selfish he.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Or she is. Right, I've said this. I said, I've
took those traits that made me who I am and
it affected Man, you take it in a relationship and
a ruin it. Yep, it affected the relationship, Yes, because
now you're seeing it all the time when you're home. Yes, selfishness,
doing what you want to, just just so many things
and like you just and they might let it be,

(01:32:52):
they'll let its lid.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
When you got a basketball, when you play basketball, you
play football, you play a professional sport, and you have
a business. But when you retire, I says, all want
to spend more time with his family. Yeah, you got
it with you man, you ain't been there for twenty years, right,
and then you gonna come in there and thing, she
gonna let you change everything and how to apple, how
the system work.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
It gonna happened. I didn't know what the system was.
I tried to come in there and change it. So
but you know, to this day, you know, everybody cool.
Yeah that's great. You know kids is where everybody get along.
So you know, like it's an experience, yes, you know,
and you go through and you learn from it and
you move on. Did you see the story with.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
The guy said the young lady two hundred dollars and
she sent him back. She sent it back to it,
I said, because she knows her worth with a two
hundred and two thousand, I know my worth. And a
girl said me to it was two thousands, two thousand. Yes,
he sent her two thousand dollars, she said. She says,

(01:33:56):
I know my works. We've been dealing with each other
for an extremely long period of time. She sent it
back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
That's a red flag. Anybody can use two racks. I
can take two racks right right now. I can use
two racks. I mean, damn like what you mean? Like
you you like girls like that? You you stay away
from them because like, oh, you must used to be
dealing with who you're dealing with?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Yes, who dealing with? Somebody to throw with such? And
Suf used to do this for me? Well he not
doing it no more? So why he stopped doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
You telling me who you used to do it? I
want to know why he stopped?

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Right? That's the question right there, that's the question. They
quick to throw that up in your faith though, pe man.
That's why I'll be trying to tell the look you
gotta it's it's messed up right now. It's game. The
game is messed up. Pe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
You've been giving some a good advice. You told him, say,
look a hard working man that's building something. Lead them
pretty girls along. Get you a five. Get you keep
it riding your get your five solids.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Six gets somebody that's humble. Yeah, that don't require all
this nine ten. That's a lot of making this, that's
a lot of hookey and see and I I always
have to go back. I'm not gonna tell her she
all fire six, right like we all know imus. Let
her give her a nine. Yeah yeah, but you know

(01:35:21):
the public, No, you are five or six. Look, but
I'm gonna make you feel like a nine. Ten. I'm
a six, you are six. Yeah, We're good, We're good. Yeah, man,
somebody humble. We don't care about man. Let's go get
a sandwich on a Friday night, right, and you know,
not be trip. You ain't got to look. I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
You know, occasionally we're gonna go to a Damasicros, we're
gonna go to State forty eight. We will go to
the nice establishment. But that is not a prerequisite. You
don't have to walk on the red carpet. You don't
have to be seen. We don't have to post everything
on social media. Oh look, you know my soul made
my rib and all that other food he coming you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
You hide and think you understand what I'm saying. I
feel like this the prettier girls are like that. They're
called into the cloud, they're called into the nice things
because we feed them there. Yeah, we will, you know,
because when like, if I'm not constantly feeding her ego
as like a beautiful woman and a beautiful yes, why
I say that, You're on your phone and somebody is

(01:36:21):
and that's what you want all the time. Yeah, and
I can't keep up with that. Yes, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Yeah, yes, I know, I can't keep up with Hey,
it was one like you had to tell her all
the time like that, you would that you amazing you
you you you are you awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
You did that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
But I've never I've never, I've never been in a
situation like that when I had to constantly reinforce who
she was and who she is and what type of
person you know, what I'm a body, and how she
looked and everything. I'm like, well, damn, I felt like
I was a full time cheerleader.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Yeah I had. I mean, it's they constantly getting it,
so they needed they want it from you. In a minute,
you don't I get this, Yes, somebody will like it's
hard to keep up with that, man, And I hate
it that that it's like that, like and that's why
I said, man, let me I'm gonna go this route.
You know somebody who a little more humble, who actually
like appreciate right the comments? Well, you know, do you

(01:37:18):
shout to shot at Ruby Rose? I mean, I mean
the truth, the truth he can normally called game. The
one thing I know about truth, He called a game.
It goes in. You hit that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Bucket, you pulled a step, pulled up a thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
I have to catch myself, to catch myself. Cam just
with ral.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
He says he wants to know a girl's past, the
man that she slept with.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Oh, I don't be wanting to know. I don't either, No,
but how about this here?

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
A woman's past is that's important to a man as
a man's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Future is to a woman. Would you agree with that
a woman a man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
A woman's past is important to a man as a
woman as a man's man's future is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
To a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Is because you want to know if he gonna get
that bread, he gonna be, he gonna be, he gonna
be wrapped up. He wants to know how many how
many bodies you got and it's any of them in
the NBA, NFL, or MLB. She wants to know you
going to the NFL, you in the NBA, You're gonna
play in the major leaguer. You're gonna be you know,
you're gonna be worth CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
No, I don't know because most of them girls they
chasing them that's already in there. So his future is
important to her. Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is true. Damn,
I don't want to know the past. I don't either.
I don't really care because you like me asking you
can lie. Yeah, I'm gonna go more time I spend

(01:39:00):
with you, it's gonna show you. Yes, yes, you know
what I'm saying. It's gonna it's always gonna come out. Yeah,
Like anytime I've ever caught a girl up on something,
I didn't have to look. Yeah, it was just like, yeah,
what's this?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
It's right here in my face, Like we go somewhere,
how you knew everybody Like damn, like it's right right,
I give you one, give your phone my friend. It's
gonna come out every time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
It never else. I never had to look, right, I'm
gonna just chill, you know, and then it goes, oh okay,
that's what it is. I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
You have you have daughters, and you know they hear you.
You know, my daughter like Daddy, you gotta say that,
you gotta talk like that because I got, I got
you know, my daughter's in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
The thirties and so they're asking me questions.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
You know, I said, maybe I'm be in the entertainment
it because you find another way to entertain Daddy, Like, damn,
how difficulty to have that conversation with man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
That's difficult, sham, because like you know, I had to
deal with the situation, uh, you know, the ESPN situation
with the live stream. You know I had to do.
That was a difficult situation because it was just like damn.
And and you know, even doing this truth after dark,
I say some things you know about you know, relationships

(01:40:29):
or black women and everything, and and I'm like you
on this, like you know, at this point I'm entertaining,
but then there'd be some hard conversations too when you
make the mistake. It's just like, man, you know, I'm human,
but it don't change the fact that I'm still your dad,
and it is I'm I'm human. And I know you
probably look at me like a superhero sometime, man, and

(01:40:51):
all of that, but you know, I'll make some mistakes.
You know, I'm just like anybody else out here. I'll
make some mistakes, you know, someone I regret and I
say some things and you know they may not come
off a certain way. But like some of these things,
I believe, you know, and don't you want a dad
that's truthful and stand on his words. And I know

(01:41:14):
they not always sound like the best thing. But the
end of the day, when I'm long gone and everything,
the one thing you can say about me is like,
you know what, at the end of the day, Dad,
he was solid. He was solid, he was he spoke
his mind, and he didn't give a damn well people
said about him. And I know sometimes it may be

(01:41:35):
hurt or something like that. But hopefully some of the
traits I give in my opinion and the things I
do and say can carry over to make you a
strong person. Because I didn't. I block out the crowd noise,
I block out the negative, and I hope that my
kids can do the same thing. You ain't gonna always
be the most popular person in the room. You ain't

(01:41:56):
gonna always be liked, and that's what's gonna be o
your character and make you stronger, and that's what's done
for me. You still gamble like you used to, You
don't gamble no more hard, No, not that much like
once every six months, man, right, like I go to
Vegas hangout, But no, no like I used to. Because

(01:42:18):
you try to feel that competitiveness because we compet it, yeah,
for sure, and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
That don't that never leave. And that's why we missed
the sport. What can we do to report replace what
we've done for the last twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
It's hard. It's no replacement none.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
There's a complace, that bus ride, that plane, ride, that
locker room, that chemistry, that camaraderie ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
You just gotta find what makes you happy. You know.
I've been trying to. Like for me, it's pouring into
my kids. Yes, you know. The more time I do
with that, and just like try try to stay busy,
try to get the kids. When you retired, try to
get routine, yes, you know, because we were no routine
because we know the structure.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
I got practice at this time, so I need to
get my work out in it this time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
I need to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
I need to eat, I take my nap, get on
the bus, go to the stadium. I'm gonna play the game.
Everything is so structured, structure, routine. Now, I got all
this time on my damn hand. What the hell am
I gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
You gotta you gotta get your When you first retire,
You're like, I got a free time. I could just
do whatever I want. I can travel here. That's the
worst thing. So now since I've been back in routine,
I've been good. I got you know, I get up,
I workout. It's the first thing I do, Uh, take
care of the mail, make it run, my emails, kids
sports with them. Like it's just I got a good routine,

(01:43:38):
gonna do my podcasts and this and that, and so
I got a good flow right now. So but it's hard,
you know, it's hard. What's that? What's next for Paul Pierce?
What's next for Paul Pierce? Man? You know, I'm getting older,
my kids are are or I got a couple of
kids in high school. I got a young one. I'm
just trying to still go out here and build out

(01:43:59):
my media career. You know, I've been doing that from
day one. Since I retired. I stepped into the media field,
and I enjoyed doing that. You know what I'm saying
I enjoyed talking sports. I mean I enjoyed talking life
and relationships, and I'm just trying to build on it.
You know, I'm trying to be a positive influence. I'm

(01:44:20):
trying to have a respectable opinion. And you know, I
really love what you've been able to build, Shannon. A
lot a lot of us in this culture we look
up to like a lot of things that you've been
able to build and admire and appreciate, you know, because
we got a lot of things in common. And you know,
I think it's important for all of us to support
each other. Yes, and that's it. Just try to be

(01:44:41):
a positive influence, take care of my kids, and you know,
eventually riding into the sunset the truth. Ladies, gentlemen, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
All my life, running all my life, sacrifice, wanta slice?

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
I got to brow the dice, the squad all my life.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
I've been grinding all my life, all my life, been
grinding all my life.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Sacrifice ussel bade the price.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Want a slice?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Got to brow the dice the squad all my life.
I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
M m hmm.

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